* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] BEFORE WE GET [1. CALL TO ORDER] STARTED, UH, BEFORE WE PROCEED, IF I COULD REQUEST THE INTERPRETER TO GIVE A MOMENT TO EXPLAIN THE CITY'S INTERPRETATION SERVICES THAT WE OFFERED FOR THIS EVENING'S, UH, SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THE FOLLOWING WILL BE AN ANNOUNCEMENT IN SPANISH, THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND AS A REMINDER, IF WE COULD PLEASE SILENCE ANY, UH, CELL PHONES OR ANY OTHER, UH, TABLET TYPE ACTIVITIES IN THE, UH, THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE, UH, MEETING TO ORDER A LIVE WEBCAST. SO THE CITY MAY BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. IF YOU'RE WATCHING VIA ZOOM. UH, VIEWING THE SPANISH VERSION OF THE MEETING, INTERPRETER INSTRUCTIONS WILL APPEAR IN THE CHAT BOX AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN. FOR THOSE WHO PREFER TO SIT IN THE CHAMBER, HEADSETS ARE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE LIVE SPANISH TRANSLATION, PLEASE SEE THE CITY CLERK'S DESK, UH, TO CHECK OUT A HEADSET. THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY'S WEBSITE INFORMS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT A PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS, EITHER IN PERSON BY SUBMITTING ONE OF THE SALMON COLORED, UH, REQUESTS TO ENTER COMMENT QUEUE OR VIA ZOOM BY REGISTERING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND RAISING A HAND DURING THE EVENT, THE ITEM TO COMMENT OR EMAILING NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS FOR THE MEETING. ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IF RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE. WITH THAT, CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH HERE. VICE MAYOR MOLINA PRESENT. MAYOR MORRISON. PRESENT. WE HAVE A COURT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE PLEASE STAND FOR THE, UH, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, AND I'LL ASK, UH, MEMBER RODRIGUEZ, YOU WOULD PLACE YOUR RIGHT HAND OVER YOUR HEART. READY? BEGIN I ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALRIGHT, [5. STAFF REPORT] NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE ORDER JUST A LITTLE BIT SINCE THERE'S ONLY THE ONE ITEM WE'RE GONNA GO INTO, INTO STAFF REPORT FIRST, UH, BEFORE WE HAVE COMMENTS, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. AND, UH, I'M GONNA HANDLE THOSE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TONIGHT SINCE THIS IS KIND OF A LITTLE DIFFERENT SITUATION. AND I DO KNOW THAT, UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF APPLICANTS HERE THAT WANTING TO MAKE COMMENTS. UM, SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS FOR EACH APPLICANT, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU, UH, FIVE MINUTES TO MAKE A PRESENTATION AND, UH, AND THEN WE WILL DO PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND EACH AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL BE, UH, UH, TWO MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL. SO, UH, BUT THAT WILL COME AFTER THE, UH, STAFF PRESENTATION. SO WITH THAT, I WILL LOOK OVER HERE TO OUR CITY MANAGER IF YOU WANT TO LEAD THAT OFF OR INTRODUCE WHO WE'RE GONNA BE HEARING FROM. I GOT A FUNNY FEELING WHO'S GONNA BE ON THE HOT SEAT HERE, BUT IMAN, MR. MAYOR, COUNSEL THIS. UM, THIS ITEM IS A CULMINATION OF ABOUT NINE MONTHS WORTH OF, OF WORK. UM, STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER A PROCESS THAT, UH, WAS FOLLOWED CLOSELY. THAT PROCESS WAS INDEPENDENT, OBJECTIVE, UM, AND, UH, RESULTED IN AN OUTCOME THAT, UM, UH, PROVIDED YOU WITH, UH, TWO RECOMMENDATIONS TO MOVE FORWARD. SO, UM, WITH THAT, I THINK, UM, CAPTAIN AND IS GOING TO, UM, GO THROUGH A PRESENTATION AND, UH, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN UP YOUR QUESTIONS, CAPTAIN. UH, YES, SIR. CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME OKAY? GOT, UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. GOOD EVENING, STAFF. GOOD EVENING. UH, ALL MY COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND COUNSEL, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN ON, UH, NOT A REGULAR NIGHT TO HEAR THIS ITEM. I APPRECIATE IT. UH, I'M ALSO JOINED, UH, AS BEING PART OF A COMMITTEE OR WORKING GROUP, AND I'M GONNA PROBABLY INTERCHANGE THOSE, UH, ITEM THAT, THAT, OH, THANK YOU. UH, THAT WORD. THROUGHOUT THIS, UH, PRESENTATION, [00:05:01] I DO WANNA ALSO, UH, INTRODUCE YOU TO, UH, TO MY LEFT, UH, SCOTT, SERGEANT, UH, SCOTT SHANAHAN, WHO'S OUR TRAFFIC SERGEANT AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM, ACTING DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, RACHEL BARRERA. AND, UH, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY RICHARD ROMERO. THEY WERE ALL PART OF OUR, UH, WORKING GROUP. AND THERE'S, UH, TWO WONDERFUL LADIES IN THE BACK. UH, A RECENT EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER OF VANESSA CASTRO. SHE'S OUR TRAFFIC OFFICE COORDINATOR. SHE'S BACK THERE. SHE WAS PART OF OUR WORKING GROUP AS WELL AS, UH, UH, DEBBIE LUND FROM, FROM OUR, UH, FINANCE DEPARTMENT. I ASSUME IT'S JUST PRESS THE BUTTON HERE, OR, THERE WE GO. UM, SO BACKGROUND, UM, WHY ARE WE HERE? UH, OUR CURRENT TOW CONTRACTS WITH OUR TWO VENDORS ROAD ONE IN ANGELO'S EXPIRE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. UM, IN ORDER TO HAVE AN INTERRUPTED UNINTERRUPTED SERVICE, WE NEED A NEW CONTRACT IN PLACE WITH TWO NEW VENDORS ON OCTOBER 1ST. UH, IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, OUR COMMITTEE OR WORKING GROUP, UH, WAS FORMED TO BEGIN THE, UH, PROCESS OF, UH, EXECUTING A NEW TOW CONTRACT. AND, UH, FROM, WITH OUR WORKING GROUP, THERE WERE MEMBERS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THIS GROUP, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, FINANCE DEPARTMENT, AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DIVISION. UH, SO WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE AND THE OBJECTIVE OF THE COMMITTEE? IT WAS TO ESTABLISH A PROCESS AND WORK TOGETHER, ESSENTIALLY AS A COMMITTEE TO EVALUATE TO CONTRACT PROPOSALS. UM, THE WORKING GROUP PREPARED AN RFP, WHICH IS, WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL BACK ON MAY 5TH OF THIS YEAR. UM, AS A COMMITTEE, WE RECEIVED AND EVALUATED THE PRODO PROPOSALS. UM, SITE INSPECTIONS WERE CONDUCTED BY, UM, SERGEANT SHANAHAN AND, AND PART OF THE WORKING GROUP, MEMBERS OF THE WORKING GROUP. AND, UH, WE NEGOTIATED CONDITIONAL, UH, TOW CONTRACTS. UH, ANOTHER PART OF OUR, UH, PURPOSE WAS TO AWARD CONTRACTS TO VENDORS THAT DELIVER THE BEST OVERALL VALUE TO THE CITY, UM, INCLUDING EXPERIENCE, PRICE, UM, DELIVERY OF SERVICES, EFFICIENCY, ET CETERA. AND THE, UH, CONTRACT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A THREE YEAR CONTRACT WITH TWO POTENTIAL ONE YEAR EXTENSIONS. SO THE, UH, RFP THAT WAS, UH, APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, UH, WENT OUT VIA PLANET BIDS, WAS, WHICH IS AN ELECTRONIC PLATFORM, UH, USED HERE AT THE CITY. UH, COMPLETED RFPS WERE DUE ON JUNE 15TH, 2026, AND THEIR CITY RECEIVED SEVEN RESPONSES. AND THE, UH, SEVEN TOW COMPANIES THAT RESPONDED WERE ROAD ONE, CORTEZ ANGELO'S QUALITY, ASAP, TONY'S, AND LOYAL, UH, AS A WORKING GROUP, UH, THE COMMITTEE DETERMINED THAT, UH, TWO OF THE SEVEN, UM, VENDORS DID NOT, UH, MEET THE RFP REQUIREMENT, UH, ONE OF WHICH WAS ANGELO'S, UH, TOWING. UM, AND THEIR FAILURE TO INCLUDE, OR, OR COMPLY WITH REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO, UH, THEY'RE CALLED CHP 2 34 B FORMS. THEY'RE CALLED TOW TRUCK INSPECTION, UH, CERTIFICATION TYPE FORMS. UH, THE SECOND WAS LOYAL TOWING. UH, THEIR LOT SIZE WAS TOO SMALL PER THE RFP. THE, UM, LOT HAS TO BE TWO OR 10,000 SQUARE FEET. AND IT ALSO HAD SOME, UH, INADEQUATE FENCING. SO, UH, FROM SEVEN, WE WENT TO FIVE. UH, THE REMAINING FIVE TOW COMPANIES WERE EVALUATED BY THE, UH, BY THE WORKING GROUP, BASED ON BOTH, UH, TECH, A TECHNICAL QUALIFICATION AND A PRICING CONSIDERATION. UM, AND THE FIVE THAT WE LOOKED AT WERE ASAP, TOWING, QUALITY TOWING CORTEZ TOWING TOWS AUTO CENTER, OR TONY'S TOWING AND ROAD ONE TOWING. SO WHAT I WANT TO DISCUSS FIRST IS THE TECHNICAL CONSIDERATIONS. SO JUST SO YOU KINDA UNDERSTAND THE MATH, YOU HAD TECHNICAL CONSIDERATIONS, PRICE CONSIDERATIONS, AND WHEN YOU COMBINE THOSE TOGETHER, YOU CAME UP WITH A FINAL SCORING. SO WHAT I'M GONNA FOCUS ON FIRST WERE THE, UM, TECHNICAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT, THAT THE WORKING GROUP OR COMMITTEE LOOKED AT. UM, AND THERE WERE 10 SPECIFIC AREAS THAT, THAT WE LOOKED AT AS IT RELATES TO, UM, EACH ONE OF THESE, UH, FIVE VENDORS. UH, THE FIRST RELATED TO THE DISPATCH CENTER THAT, UH, EACH ONE OF THE TOW, UH, COMPANIES OPERATES. UM, SOME OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT, WAS IT AN ON ONSITE LOCATION? WAS IT A REMOTE LOCATION? UM, DID THEY HAVE A 24 [00:10:01] HOUR OPERATION? UM, AND, UH, THE PERSONNEL AND AND HOURS OPERATION, UH, WE LOOKED AT THE COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS THAT THE, UH, VENDORS USED. UH, WERE, DID THEY HAVE AN EASILY ACCESSIBLE 24 HOUR DISPATCH CENTER? AND DID THEY HAVE A PROPER, APPROPRIATE, LIKE COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT TO GET, UH, NOT, NOT ONLY WORK WITH OUR DISPATCH CENTER, BUT, UM, TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR TOW TRUCK DRIVERS, WHETHER IT WAS RADIOS, CELL PHONES, DID THEY USE LIKE MOBILE DATA, COMPUTERS? THAT WAS THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT, EQUIPMENT, UM, TYPE OF VEHICLES, THEIR FLEET SIZE, ESSENTIALLY, HOW MANY TOW TRUCKS DID THEY HAVE? DID THEY HAVE, UH, UH, A, A SUFFICIENT FLEET TO, UH, MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR CITY DISTANCE? UM, WHAT WAS THE DISTANCE OF THEIR TOW YARD FROM THE CITY? AND, UH, WOULD THAT, UM, AFFECT, UH, THEIR RESPONSE TIMES? AND I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, WE HAD A, IN THE RFP, IT SAID THAT, THAT THEIR, THAT THEIR LOCATION HAD TO BE WITHIN 10, 10 MILES OF, UH, CITY HALL. WE ALSO LOOKED AT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, TRANSPORTATION, UM, TRANSPORTATION. IF A, ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAD THE UNFORTUNATE EXPERIENCE TO HAVE THEIR CAR TOWED, HOW, AND THEY COULDN'T GET A RIDE FROM A FRIEND OR AN UBER TO GET DOWN AND, AND RETRIEVE THEIR VEHICLE, UM, WAS THEIR, WAS THE TOW TRUCK, UM, OR THE, UM, THAT THEIR LOT, UM, EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO THE COMMUNITY VIA PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, BUS STOPS, TROLLEY LINES, ET CETERA. UH, THE NEXT FIVE WE LOOKED AT WERE LOT SIZE, UH, ADEQUATE, LOT SIZE. UH, WE, IN THE RFP, IT SAID THAT THE, UM, THE LOT HAD TO BE A MINIMUM OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, PERSONNEL, NUMBER OF AVAILABLE TOW TRUCK OPERATORS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY. UH, SECURITY. WE LOOKED AT SECURITY MEASURES. DID THEY HAVE PROPER WALLS OR FENCING? WAS THEIR PROPERTY ALARMED? WHAT KIND OF SECURITY MEASURES, WHAT KIND OF SECURITY CAMERAS DID THEY HAVE? WAS THEIR FENCING ALL IN GOOD SHAPE? WERE THERE HOLES IN THE FENCES? WERE THERE, WERE THERE CAMERAS OUTDATED? WERE THOSE WERE JUST THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT AS A GROUP EVIDENT EVIDENCE STORAGE. UM, SOMETIMES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL IMPOUND A VEHICLE, AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN USED IN A CRIME, AND WE HAVE TO KEEP IT SECURE FOR EVIDENCE. SOMETIMES WE DO THAT AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT OTHER TIMES WE HAVE TO KEEP IT AT THE, AT THE TOW YARD. AND IT HAS TO HAVE, BE PUT IN LIKE A, A SPECIAL CAGE OR SECURED AREA WHERE IT CAN BE, UH, ISOLATED FROM, FROM OTHER VEHICLES. AND THEN THE LAST THING WE LOOKED AT WAS THE RFP ITSELF. UH, THE RESPONSIVENESS TO THE RFP, THE COMPLETENESS, UM, UH, WITH THE RFP REQUIREMENTS ON THE NEXT PAGE, THIS IS KIND OF DIFFICULT TO SEE. YOU SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE THIS IN YOUR PACKET THERE. THIS IS THE, UH, FORM THAT, UH, SERGEANT SHANAHAN AND, UH, SOME OF HIS COMMITTEE MEMBERS USED WHEN THEY WENT OUT AND CONDUCTED, UH, SITE INSPECTIONS, UM, OUT AT, UH, AT THE DIFFERENT, UH, AT THE DIFFERENT VENDORS. SO LET'S GET INTO RATING CRITERIA. UM, AND I'M GONNA BE ASSISTED HERE IN A MINUTE BY RACHEL. SHE'S MORE THE MATH WIZARD THAN ME. SO, UH, SHE'S GONNA, SHE'S GONNA HELP ME THROUGH THIS PROCESS. BUT, UH, I, I WOULD JUST WANNA START BY SAYING THAT, UH, THERE WERE EIGHT, UH, THERE WERE EIGHT VOTING MEMBERS ON OUR, ON OUR, UH, COMMITTEE OR WORKING GROUP. UM, RICHARD WAS, UH, FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WAS NOT A VOTING MEMBER. HE WAS THERE THE WHOLE TIME JUST TO PROVIDE US WITH LEGAL GUIDANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE FOLLOWING EVERYTHING PROPERLY AND, AND COMPLIANT WITH THE LAW AND THE RFP AND, AND JUST KEPT US MOVING FORWARD. UM, THE SCORING ITSELF, YOU CAN SEE THE SCORING TABLE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. UH, WE USED A ONE TO FIVE SCORING TABLE, UH, ONE BEING AN UNSATISFACTORY, AND FIVE BEING EXCELLENT, THE HIGHEST SCORE. SO I JUST WENT THROUGH THE TECHNICAL CATEGORIES. THERE WERE 10 CATEGORIES, AND THIS IS WHERE I'M GONNA TRY AND, UH, DO MY BEST TO EXPLAIN THE MATH. SO WE HAD EIGHT VOTING MEMBERS IN OUR WORKING GROUP, AND YOU HAD A FIVE POINT MAXIMUM PER EACH ONE OF THOSE, UH, TECHNICAL SCORES, WHICH EQUALS 40, IF EIGHT TIMES FIVE IS 40, AND THEN 40 TIMES 10, WHICH IS 10 DIFFERENT, UH, TECHNICAL CONSIDERATIONS, THAT'S 400. I GOT THAT PART. UM, AND THEN WE HAD, UH, PRICING CONSIDERATIONS. SO, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE HAVE THE TECHNICAL PIECE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PRICING PIECE. AND TOGETHER THAT, UH, DETERMINES YOUR FINAL SCORE. AND THE PRICING CATEGORY WAS, UH, ONE CATEGORY. SO YOU, WITH EIGHT VOTING MEMBERS, FIVE POINT MAXIMUM, EIGHT TIMES FIVE IS 40. AND THEN ONE CATEGORY, IT'S A MAXIMUM OF 40 POINTS PER THAT CATEGORY. UH, THE COMMITTEE, UH, [00:15:01] OR WORKING GROUP DETERMINED, UH, IN THE PROCESS WHAT WOULD BE THE VALUE OF THE TECHNICAL PIECE VERSUS THE PRICING PIECE. AND WE UNANIMOUSLY, AS A GROUP, DECIDED THAT IT WOULD BE 70 30, THAT THE TECHNICAL PIECE WOULD ACCOUNT FOR 70% OF THE OVERALL SCORE. THE PRICING PIECE WOULD BE PART, UH, UH, THE, THE 30% WOULD BE, UH, UM, THE, UH, PRICING SCORE AND THE WEIGHTED SCORES WOULD OBVIOUSLY, BETWEEN THOSE TWO, WOULD, UH, BRING US BACK TO A FINAL SCORE. I KNOW THE, IT'S A LITTLE, MAYBE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE, BUT I, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, THE PRICING CONSIDERATIONS. SO, AND I'D REALLY LIKE YOU GUYS TO FOCUS ON THE, THE TOP THREE LINES. 'CAUSE THOSE ARE THE REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES. AND THE THINGS THAT ARE UTILIZED MOST, ESPECIALLY THE, THE NUMBER ONE BASIC TOWING. SO WHEN WE PUT OUT THE RFP, EACH ONE OF THE VENDORS PROVIDED A, UM, A PRICING SHEET ON WHAT THEY WOULD ANTICIPATE, UM, UM, OR WHAT, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UH, CHARGE FOR THEIR, THEIR TOWING SERVICES. AND JUST LOOKING AT THE VERY FIRST LINE, THE BASIC TOWING. UM, SO WE LISTED ALL SEVEN VENDORS HERE, UH, JUST FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE. SO YOU CAN SEE, UH, FROM START TO FINISH, WHAT THE, WHAT THE INITIAL PRICING CONSIDERATIONS WERE. UH, I, I DO HAVE, UH, WE DO HAVE ANGELO'S AND LOYAL, THE TWO THAT WERE, UM, DIDN'T MAKE IT PAST THE RFP PROCESS, UM, THERE IN RED, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO AT LEAST SHOW THEIR PRICING SCORES. SO, GOING ACROSS THE TOP, LIKE FOR THE BASIC TOE, YOU COULD SEE THAT THE LOWEST, UM, UH, THE, THE COMPANY WITH THE RECOMMENDED LOWEST PRICE WAS CORTEZ AT 180 AND ASAP, UH, TOWING AT 2 91 FOR A BASIC TOW DROPPING DOWN TO MEDIUM SIZED TOWS. UM, YOU HAD, IT LOOKS LIKE ROAD ONE, UH, WANTED TO CHARGE OR RECOMMENDED A PRICE OF 360 AND CORTEZ, UH, THE LOWEST AT 2 0 5. UH, AND THEN LARGE SIZE TOW, UM, LOOKS LIKE, UH, ROAD ONE HAD FOUR 20. AND THEN BOTH CORTEZ AND TONY'S LISTED A PRICE OF TWO 40. UH, SKIPPING TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY, UH, COLLEAGUE, RACHEL TO, UM, BETTER BREAK DOWN THE, THE MATH ON THIS SLIDE. UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR, UH, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL, CITY STAFF, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. UM, THIS SLIDE HERE REPRESENTS THE WEIGHT FACTOR THAT WAS USED TO DETERMINE, UM, THE SCORING FROM HIGHEST TO LOWEST INCLUSIVE. IN THERE, I JUST WANNA MAKE MENTION THAT THERE WAS NO INFLUENCE OF ANY MANNER ON THE INDEPENDENT SCORES RECORDED WHEN THE INFORMATION WAS BEING RECORDED. ALL COMMITTEE MEMBERS READ, LISTENED, AND REVIEWED ALL RESPECTIVE DOCUMENTS AND INSPECTIONS PERFORMED BY THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SCORES WERE BASED ON OBJECTIVE INFORMATION, AND ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE ARE, AND, UH, WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN SCORING DETERMINATIONS. ALL MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE PROVIDED THEIR SCORING FOR EACH TOWING COMPANY, UM, APPLICANT BASED ON THE INFORMATION, THE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE RAW SCORES AS, UM, SHARED BY MY COLLEAGUE DEREK. 400 TECHNICAL POINTS PLUS 40 PRICING POINTS EQUIVALENT TO 440 COMBINED POINTS TO MAKE THE TECHNICAL WORTH 70% AND PRICING WORTH 30%, WE DID THE FOLLOWING MATHEMATICAL EQUATION. TECHNICAL 440 TIMES 70% EQUALS 308 POSSIBLE WEIGHTED POINTS. USING, USING THIS NUMBER DIVIDED BY 400 EQUAL EQUALING A 77% WEIGHTING FACTOR IN REGARD TO PRICING, 440 TIMES 30%, WHICH IS THE WEIGHTING FACTOR FOR THIS EQUALS 132 POSSIBLE WEIGHTED POINTS TOTAL. AND USING THIS INFORMATION DIVIDED BY 40, WHICH IS THE POSSIBLE EQUALS THREE POINT 30% WEIGHT FACTOR. NOW, USING ALL OF THIS INFORMATION AND GATHERING THE DETAILS FROM EACH COMMITTEE MEMBER, ALL OF THE NUMBERS WERE TABULATED, AND THE FINAL SCORES WERE BASED OFF OF THE HIGHEST SCORES BASED ON THE 70 30 RATIO. THANK YOU, RACHEL. SO, AS YOU PROBABLY SAW IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, UM, THE SCORES WERE AS FOLLOWED. UM, CORTEZ RANKED ONE, TONY'S TWO, QUALITY THREE ROAD ONE FOUR A-S-A-P-A FIVE. AND BASED ON THE TOW COMMITTEE'S REVIEW, THE COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDS THE, UH, [00:20:01] FOLLOWING TWO TOW COMPANIES, CORTEZ AND TONY'S, AS THE TWO TOP, UM, SCORES. SOMETHING ELSE THAT, UH, COUNCIL NEEDS TO CONSIDER ON THE NEXT SLIDE HERE IS, UH, PROPOSED PRICING. AND JUST GOING ACROSS THE TOP HERE, LOOKING AT THE, THE, THE TOP TWO VENDORS, CORTES AND TONY'S, YOU CAN ALSO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY CHARGING, UH, FOR, FOR CERTAIN, UM, UH, SERVICES, BASIC TOWING, ET CETERA. UM, WHAT THE COMMITTEE, UH, VOTED ON AS A PROPOSED FINAL PRICING TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL. AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT, UH, WE CURRENTLY CHARGE AND, UH, MAYBE CHARGING IN THE FUTURE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. SO, UH, WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR, OUR TWO TOP BIDDERS, WE LOOKED AT, UM, OUR TWO TOP FINISHERS. WE LOOKED AT, UH, I, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH LIKE BASIC TOWING. UH, CORTEZ RECOMMENDED A, UH, A BASIC TOW RATE OF 180, WHILE TONY'S, UH, RECOMMENDED A BASIC TOW RATE OF TWO 20. OUR CURRENT RATE IS 180, AND THE COMMITTEE, UH, AGREED TO, UM, UH, PROPOSE A FINAL PRICING POINT OF $200 FOR A BASIC TOW. AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY A $20 DIFFERENCE, UM, FROM WHAT WE'RE AT NOW. UH, IF YOU LOOK ACROSS AT, UH, LIKE MEDIUM SIZED TOW CORTEZ HAD PROPOSED 2 0 5 TONY'S TWO 30. UH, OUR CURRENT PRICING IS 2 0 5. UH, THE COMMITTEE AGREED UPON TWO 20. IT'S A $15 INCREASE BETWEEN NOW AND WHAT WE, UH, WHAT WHAT HAPPENED AT THE, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE LAST TOW CONTRACT BACK, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS 2021, UH, THERE WERE SOME DECREASES. UM, IF YOU LOOK DOWN A, A FEW LINES, YOU SEE A DRY ONE. ESSENTIALLY WHAT A DRY RUN IS, IS IF, SAY AN OFFICER OR A PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICER CALLED A TOW TRUCK OUT TO A SCENE, AND BEFORE THE TOW TRUCK GOT THERE, UH, THE RESIDENT CAME OUT OF THEIR HOUSE, MOVED THEIR CAR, TOW TRUCK WASN'T NEEDED, EVERYONE GOES UPON THEIR WAY. UM, BOTH OF OUR CURRENT VENDORS, UH, SAID THEY WOULDN'T, OR, OR BOTH OF OUR PROPOSED VENDORS WOULD, SAID THEY WOULDN'T CHARGE FOR THAT. UM, CURRENTLY, UH, WE HAVE A $50 CHARGE. UM, THE COMMITTEE IS, UH, UH, RECOMMENDED ZERO CHARGE, WHICH WOULD BE A, A SAVING, UH, OF $50. I DO WANNA POINT OUT, UM, THAT, UH, DESPITE THE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE BASIC MEDIUM AND HEAVY TOW, UH, FEE AND SCHEDULE, UM, NATIONAL, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT NATIONAL CITIES TOWING RATES REMAIN, UH, AMONG THE LOWEST IN THE, IN THE REGION, UM, HELPING ENSURE RATES REMAIN REASONABLE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. UH, AND IF COUNCIL ADOPTS, UH, THE COMMITTEE'S FINAL PROPOSED PRICING, UH, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS CHART, THE ONLY ONE THAT, UH, REALLY CHARGES LOWER THAN US IS THE CITY OF EL CAJON, THE ELCON POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE THE SECOND LOWEST, UH, IN THE COUNTY. UH, IN CLOSING, I JUST WANT TO THANK, UH, MY, UH, MY FELLOW, UH, COMMITTEE BOARD MEMBERS FOR THEIR, THEIR TIME, THEIR HARD WORK AND DEDICATION. OVER THE PAST EIGHT TO NINE MONTHS, WE MET MANY TIMES, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE PUT IN A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF HOURS DOING THIS. AND I AM, UH, UH, VERY APPRECIATIVE OF, OF THEIR HARD WORK AND, AND WHAT THEY BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO STRESS TO COUNCIL THAT THIS WAS A, UH, FAIR AND OBJECTIVE PROCESS. SO THANK YOU. THAT ENDS MY, UM, MY, OUR PRESENTATION. AND WE AS A GROUP ARE HERE TO TRY AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. ANY DIRECT QUESTIONS ON THE, UH, PRESENTATION BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANTS? OKAY. FIRST, THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAPTAIN OTTI, OT. UM, I WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE PROPOSED PRICING SLIDE. THE SLIDES ARE NOT NUMBERED, BUT I THINK IT'S TOO BACK FROM THIS ONE, THAT, THAT ONE, THAT BLUE COLUMN. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME, UM, WHY INCREASE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 10 AND THE 15 PLUS 10 AND PLUS 15? WHY MAKE THAT PROPOSED PRICING? AND WHO DOES THAT DIFFERENCE GO TO? UH, SO, SO WHAT WE, ESSENTIALLY, WHAT WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT THE, THE TWO TOP COMPANIES, AND WE TRIED TO SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM. AND THAT WAS WHAT THE, UH, WE AS A, AS A, AS A GROUP DECIDED WAS THE BEST AVENUE TO MOVE FORWARD WAS THAT YOU HAD ONE COMPANY THAT WAS RECOMMENDING THIS, ANOTHER COMPANY WAS RECOMMENDING THIS. SO WE TRIED TO MEET SOMEWHERE AS CLOSE TO THE MIDDLE AS WE, AS WE POSSIBLY COULD CUT. AND [00:25:01] SO, UH, I'M SORRY, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HERE. SO IT'S OUR DECISION WHETHER TO CONTRACT THIS WITH ONE OR THE OTHER COMPANY, OR IS IT, WE'RE GONNA GO WITH BOTH. SO THE RFP, UH, UH, STATED THAT, UH, WE'RE, WE SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD WITH TWO COMPANIES. THAT'S HOW THE CITY HAS DONE BUSINESS BACK, UM, FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER. GOT IT. AND I GUESS, UM, WE'RE HEDGING OUR BETS BETWEEN THE TWO BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE CALL WILL GO TO CORTES OR TO TONY, IF, IF THOSE ARE THE CHOICES AT THE END. UH, YES MA'AM. WE, WHAT WE DO IS OVER AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THROUGH OUR DISPATCH CENTER. UM, ONE TOW COMPANY TAKES THE FIRST HALF OF THE MONTH, THE SECOND TOW COMPANY TAKES THE SECOND HALF OF THE MONTH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE, THAT'S HOW WE RUN IT NOW. LIKE CURRENTLY, ANGELO'S HAS A PART OF THE MONTH, AND THEN ROTOR UN HAS THE SECOND HALF OF THE MONTH. THANK YOU. THAT MAKES SENSE. WHY THE PROPOSED PRICING IS THE WAY IT'S, THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. YES. AND THANK YOU CAPTAIN OT AND ALL THE STAFF WHO, UH, WORKED ON THIS ITEM. I'M PROBABLY GONNA HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS AS WE MOVE ALONG IN THE PROCESS. BUT, UH, LOOKING AT THE TOW RFP SITE VISIT CHECKLIST, IF YOU COULD PULL UP THAT SLIDE. YEAH, RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS, UH, FITS IN WITH THE SCORING CRITERIA AND THE WEIGHTING. SO I THINK MY FIRST QUESTION, ALL OF THESE ITEMS LISTED ON HERE, AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SEE HERE, SO I'LL JUST READ IT FROM THE POWERPOINT, IS INCLUDES BUSINESS LICENSE, 24 HOUR PHONE CONTACT, 24 HOUR OFFICE STAFF, RELEASE FEE SCHEDULE POSTED IN VIEW OF CASHIER STATION, ACCEPT CREDIT CARD AND CASH PROCEDURE FOR RECONCILIATION, INVOICE, UH, TOW TRUCK REQUIREMENTS, TRUCK EQUIPMENT, AND THEN LOT REQUIREMENTS. SO ARE ALL THE, CAN YOU GO OVER THIS AGAIN? AND MY QUESTION IS, ARE ALL THESE INITIAL RESPONSES AND ARE ALL OF THESE REQUIREMENTS BEFORE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT PHASE FOR THE, UH, FOR THE VENDORS, FOR THE APPLICANTS? SO, UH, INITIALLY ALL, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT ALL SEVEN VENDORS WENT THROUGH THE INSPECTION PROCESS, CORRECT? YOU WENT TO ALL SEVEN, IS THAT YES. OKAY. YEAH. SO, UH, UH, INITIALLY, UH, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S MOST TIME CONSUMING IS FOR, UM, THE SERGEANT AND, UH, PART OF THE WORKING GROUP UP TO GO OUT TO EACH, UH, VENDOR AND INSPECT THEIR FACILITY, LOOK AT EVERYTHING ON THAT CHECKLIST, CHECK IT OFF, DO THEY HAVE IT, DO THEY NOT HAVE IT? UM, WHAT HAPPENS THEN IS THAT, UM, SERGEANT SHANAHAN BROUGHT ALL THAT INFORMATION FROM EACH ONE OF THOSE VENDORS BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. AND BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, SERGEANT SHANAHAN PRESENTED THAT, ALL THAT INFORMATION TO THE, THE, THE, THE COMMITTEE. AND WE USED THE INFORMATION THAT HE GATHERED TO HELP, UH, AS IT RELATED TO WHEN WE SCORED THE VENDORS. OKAY. SO, BUT THIS WAS THE INITIAL CHECKLIST, OR THIS IS THE INITIAL, I THINK YOU GUYS IN THE PROCESS CALLED IT SITE VISIT, RIGHT? THIS WAS THE FORM, THE, THE FIRST INITIAL FORM THAT THE BUSINESSES HAD TO FILL OUT. YES, SIR. AND ARE EACH OF THESE REQUIRED TO ADVANCE INTO THE NEXT PHASE, EACH OF THESE ITEMS OR EACH OF THESE ITEMS REQUIREMENTS? UM, WELL THIS WAS VERY EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS. UM, WE, UM, WHEN WE FIRST RECEIVED ALL SEVEN, UH, RFPS, WE AS A COMMITTEE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT ALL SEVEN VENDORS, UM, JUST TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE. UH, THERE WAS SOME QUESTION AT THE TIME WHETHER, UH, WE WERE GONNA INSPECT ANGELO'S OR NOT BASED UPON THE ISSUE WITH THEIR CHP FORMS, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND THERE WASN'T AN, UM, AN ISSUE ON OUR PART. LIKE WE HAD MISSED A CLERICAL OR SOMETHING. SO WE WENT OUT AND WE INSPECTED ALL SEVEN VENDORS. RIGHT. BUT MY QUESTION IS, IS EACH OF THESE ITEMS ON HERE A REQUIREMENT IN ORDER TO ADVANCE TO THE NEXT, UH, CONSIDERATION OF PHASE? SO WHETHER THAT'S INTERVIEW OR EVEN EVENTUALLY A CONTRACT? UM, THANK YOU. I, I'D LIKE TO SUPPORT DEREK IN THE RESPONSES HE'S PROVIDING. SO THESE ARE THE QUALIFYING MEASURES THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO ADVANCE TO THE NEXT STEP. YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS ENTIRE LIST. ANYTHING THAT'S MISSING WOULD BE A PRO OR CON TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU ADVANCE TO THE NEXT PROCESS. SO YES, EVERYTHING HERE IS REQUIRED. THE CHECKBOX WOULD BE MARKED WHETHER OR NOT THEY MAKE THE CHECK MARKS, THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED ON THE, UH, INSPECTION PROVIDED. I THINK THAT HELPS MORE. SO THE ANSWER IS NO, THESE ARE ALL NOT REQUIREMENTS THEN, CORRECT. BECAUSE THERE'S SOME LEVEL OF, I DON'T WANNA SAY SUBJECTIVITY, BUT THERE'S SOME LEVEL OF DECISION MAKING ON STAFF [00:30:01] IN TERMS OF IF SOMEONE DOESN'T HAVE SOME OF THESE ITEMS, STAFF STILL WILL MAKE THE DETERMINATION OR THE WEIGHT ON THAT? THAT IS CORRECT, BECAUSE WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE LIST AND LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, EVERYTHING MADE MARK, OKAY, A HUNDRED PERCENT, YOU GET TO MOVE FORWARD IF FOR ANY REASON, ANYTHING IS MISSING, THAT WOULD BE USED IN OUR OBJECTIVE, UM, DECISION MAKING SO THAT WE CAN QUALIFY THOSE WHO'D MAKE THE RANKS. OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. SO ARE ANY OF THESE 10, UH, IT'S, IT'S 10 MAJOR ITEMS, AND THEN THEY HAVE SOME SUB ITEMS. SO I'LL STICK TO THE 10 ONES AND EVERYTHING INCLUDED ON THERE. SO THOSE 10 ITEMS, DO THOSE HAVE A SPECIFIC SCORING WEIGHT ATTACHED TO THERE OR NO? 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT TOO, WHAT, WHICH, WHICH I APPRECIATE THE WEIGHT AND THE SCORING THAT YOU ALL HAVE, WHICH IS ON THE, LOOKS LIKE THE NEXT PAGE, THE WAITING FACTOR. SO, BUT ARE THESE CONSIDERED IN THAT WAITING FACTOR, ANY OF THESE ITEMS IN REGARD TO TECHNICAL? YES, IN REGARD TO, OH, OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT, THAT'S IT. AND LET'S SEE HOW THIS GOES AND WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT IF I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU ALL. REMEMBER IMANI, UM, RECTOR, UM, RERA, WOULD YOU BE VERY KIND TO EXPLAIN AGAIN, THE WEIGHTED RESULTS? 'CAUSE YOU SAID HERE THE TECHNICAL RAW SCORE IS 340. I'M BASING IT ON THE ITEM NUMBER ONE. YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY POINT 77 AND THEN YOU'LL ADD 40, OR WHAT'S THAT 40? I'M SORRY. I, I, UH, OKAY, SO, UH, PLEASE ALLOW ME TO EXPLAIN YES, PLEASE. SO TOTAL MAX TECHNICAL PLUS YOUR, PLUS YOUR TOTAL MAX PRICING TIMES 70% IS YOUR TECHNICAL RATIO. SO FOR ITEM ONE, HE'S GOT 340. UM, WHICH ONE ARE YOU LOOKING AT? THE TECHNICAL, OH, I'M ON THE WRONG PAGE. I'M SORRY. I'M JUST READING THE, THE BOARD. I'M JUST READING THE, THE, UM, GRAPH HERE. OKAY, LET ME GET TO THAT. UM, SO IT SAYS 340, YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY POINT 77. WHAT'S THE PRICING RAW SCORE? HOW'D YOU GET THAT? BECAUSE I ADD THE WEIGHTED PRICING SCORE THREE 40, MULTIPLY IT BY THREE BY THREE, 3.3 IS 1 32 THAT YOU CAME UP WITH. 3 94. WHAT'S THAT 40 PRICING RAW SCORE THAT YOU PUT IN THAT, IN THAT, UH, TABLE? UM, YEAH, YOU, YOU HAVE TO GO AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE MULTIPLIED THAT NUMBER OF TIMES 3.30. SO, UM, SO THE FORTIES ACTUALLY, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM PRICING. THAT'S THE MAXIMUM PRICING FOR THAT. SO 40 IS THE PRICING CATEGORY, MAXIMUM PRICING TOTAL. IF I COULD, IT LOOKS LIKE AS IF YOUR, YOUR TECHNICAL SCORE OR YOUR TOTAL, YOU MULTIPLY THAT TIMES 0.77. CORRECT. THEN YOU TAKE YOUR PRICING NUMBER AND YOU MULTIPLY THAT TIMES 3.30 TO GET, TO GET, TO GET THEM INTO AN EQUAL, EQUAL FOOTING AS FAR AS FOR THE 30% AND 70%. AM I READING THAT RIGHT? YES. YES. OKAY. I I STILL CAN'T FOLLOW IT, COR IT DOESN'T ADD UP FOR ME. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU, UH, CAN YOU, UH, WALK ME THROUGH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ITEM ONE, WHICH IS CORTEZ 340 IS THE TECHNICAL ROW SCORE, A WEIGHTED SCORE ON THE SECOND, UH, TABLE. IT SAYS TIMES POINT 77, THAT WILL GET YOU 2.2 62. YES. SO, SO I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. SO, YES, SO CORTEZ, UH, THE COMMITTEE TOTAL FOR CORTEZ WAS 340. AND THE COMMITTEE TOTAL PRICING FOR CORTEZ WAS 40 ON PRICING. SO THE MATH, UH, MATHEMATICAL EQUATION THAT WE USED FOR CORTEZ AS AN EXAMPLE, IS WE TOOK THEIR TECHNICAL SCORE, MULTIPLIED IT BY 0.77, AND WE CAME UP WITH A SCORE OF 262. AND THEN AS FAR AS PRICING, WE TOOK THE SCORE OF 40, MULTIPLIED IT BY THE 3.3, AND WE CAME UP WITH THE SCORING OF 132 WITH AN EQUAL VALUE OF 394. SO WHICH NUMBER DID YOU MULTIPLY? 3.3 40. OKAY. 40. GOT IT. [00:35:04] GOT IT. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. THAT, THAT ALL YOU HAD FOR RIGHT NOW? I'M, I'M GOOD, MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, MR. RODRIGUEZ, YOU NEED ANYTHING FOR RIGHT NOW OR? NOPE. NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO NOW WE WOULD, UH, GO TO THE, THE APPLICANTS AND IF YOU CAN CALL UP ONE APPLICANT AT A TIME AND YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES, UH, PER APPLICANT TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION IF AN APPLICANT, IF AN APPLICANT IS HERE. YES. WE'RE ON STAND. UH, DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM CORTEZ? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? UH, NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, TONY'S, DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM TONY'S? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? YES. OKAY. PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM RIGHT HERE. NOT REALLY GOOD. SPEAKING IN FRONT OF A BENCH. PEOPLE JUST SPEAK INTO THE, INTO THE MICROPHONE AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. THERE YOU GO. GOOD EVENING, MR. MERRICK, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE GALLERY ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS OF TONY'S AUTO CENTER, ANTHONY, A CHARLTON JR. AND SONARA BED, AND MYSELF, DEBRA CHARLTON, THE OFFICE MANAGER AND WIFE OF ANTHONY A CHARLTON JR. WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE TOWING FOR YOUR BEAUTIFUL CITY. AND IT IS OUR GREATEST, UH, SORRY, . YOU'RE GOOD. UM, IT'S OUR HOPE THAT THE, THE CONTRACT THAT WE DO FOR YOU WILL BE BOTH, UH, OH MY GOODNESS. EQUALLY BENEFICIAL FOR BOTH PARTIES. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING US, UH, THROUGH THE RFP COURT PROGRAM TO, UH, GOING FOR THE CITY. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? APPLICANT? I, I, I DO SO ON. UM, SO, SO THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. DON'T WORRY ABOUT BEING NERVOUS ABOUT . WE'LL GET NERVOUS, SO DON'T WORRY. SO THANK YOU FOR COMING AND SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF YOUR COMPANY. UM, SO MY QUESTION ON PAGE TWO, UH, WHAT IS THIS? NATIONAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE MEMO? UM, SO IT'S A 25 PAGE, UH, REPORT. SO ON PAGE TWO IT SAYS THAT TONY'S AUTO CENTER AND TOWING IS ONLY MISSING A COPY OF THE NATIONAL CITY BUSINESS LICENSE. TONY'S APPLIED FOR THE BUSINESS FOR THE CITY'S BUSINESS LICENSE AND THE PROCESS IS STILL PENDING. SO CAN YOU OR ONE OF YOUR REPRESENTATIVES GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THAT? YES, WE HAVE RECEIVED, WE, THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH, UH, SOME KIND OF A COMPUTER GLITCH THAT THEY HAD, BUT WE DO HAVE THE, THAT THE CITY HAD OR THAT YOU ALL HAD? NO, THE CITY, THE COMPANY THAT YOU USED TO DO THE CITY BUSINESS LICENSES THERE WAS INTERESTING. THERE WAS A GLITCH THERE, BUT WE DO HAVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE NOW. OKAY. DO WE KNOW WHO THAT COMPANY WAS? STAFF. WHO IS IT? H-L-H-D-L. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, SO THERE WAS A, A PROBLEM WITH OUR CONTRACTOR WITH THE, WHEN DID, WHEN DID YOU ALL APPLY FOR THE BUSINESS LICENSE? WE APPLIED FOR IT WHEN WE, AS SOON AS WE GOT THE RFPI APPLIED FOR THE BUSINESS LICENSE AND IT TOOK A WHILE. THERE WAS A PROBLEM THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO CHARGE US FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE. SO DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW THE DATE FOR WHEN YOU APPLIED FOR THE BUSINESS LICENSE? IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT READY RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. DON'T. IF WE COULD JUST FOLLOW UP ON STAFF OFF TOP OF THE HEAD. NO, I DO. I WELL, IF STAFF CAN GET THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, THAT'S YES. UM, YEAH, NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RIGHT THIS SECOND, BUT YES, IDEALLY BEFORE THE MEETING'S OVER, REFER IT BACK TO YOU. EXCUSE ME. BUT IF YOU LOOK ON THE, THE PAPER THAT IS IN WITH THE, UH, RFP, IT SAYS THERE IS A DATE ON THERE, WHICH IS THE DATE THAT I APPLIED FOR THE, UH, OKAY, GREAT. IF STAFF CAN LOOK AT THAT, I'LL, I'LL LOOK FOR THAT AS WELL. BUT IF STAFF CAN LOOK AT THAT VIA, AND IF I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL, UM, I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP. BUT THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT. I APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR. NO PROBLEM. ANYTHING ELSE? UH, QUESTION. NOW I NOTICED AS I WAS LOOKING FOR THE, LOOKING OVER THE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT ONES, UM, AND YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF CURRENT CONTRACTS. YES, SIR. UM, BUT I DIDN'T NOTICE SAN DIEGO PD. NO, SIR. WE DECIDED NOT TO TRY FOR SAN DIEGO PD AGAIN. OKAY. UM, HAVE YOU HAD THEM IN THE PAST? YES, SIR, WE HAVE. OKAY. AND ANY REASON [00:40:01] YOU DON'T NOW? NO. OKAY. WE JUST, WE JUST DECIDED NOT TO, UH, TRY AND GET THAT CONTRACT AGAIN. IT WAS NOT LUCRATIVE ENOUGH. OKAY. TRYING TO MAKE IT TO WHERE WE CAN BENEFIT BOTH FROM THE CITY AND HELP THE CITY AT THE SAME TIME. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, IT'S IN GENERAL. OH, OKAY. SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. NO, NO. I, I THOUGHT SHE WAS GOOD. STILL HAD A QUESTION. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM QUALITY? MY NAME IS JOHN VEDO, UM, PROUDLY FROM LEMON GROVE. I'M ALSO, UH, PART OF THE LEMON GROVE SPRING VALLEY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND I'M REPRESENTING QUALITY TOWING TODAY. WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT YOU GIVE US A LOOK. WE WOULD MUCH PREFER SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT CHULA VISTA IS DOING. WE THINK THAT'S FAIR FOR ALL OF THE, THE FOLKS INVOLVED. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GOT DINGED ON WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCORING THAT YOU THAT WAS PRESENTED WAS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A CALL CENTER IN LEMON GROVE. I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT CALL CENTER IN LEMON GROVE. YOU CAN IMAGINE BEING FROM, FROM THE CHAMBER, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, UH, NOT BE HELD AGAINST US BECAUSE IT MAKES SURE THAT WE HAVE 24 HOUR STAFFING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE REST OF THE SCORE SHEET, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT'S GRAINED ALL THE WAY DOWN. UM, WE ARE OUTSTANDING MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. QUALITY TOWING IS, UH, WE SERVICE THE SAN DIEGO PD. WE SERVICE CHP. OUR TOW YARD IS LARGE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO ASSIST THE TOWS THAT HAPPEN AND WE ARE REASONABLY PRICED. SO WE'D JUST LIKE TO ASK FOR THAT CONSIDERATION THAT WE SEE SOMETHING MORE AKIN TO WHAT CHULA VISTA IS DOING. UH, AND WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ANY ASSISTANCE, UH, THAT THE RFP PROCESS MIGHT HAVE MISSED. AND WE DO THINK THAT THERE WAS QUITE A BIT THAT WAS MISSED. SO WITH THAT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YES, THANK YOU. AND, AND SORRY, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? JOHN SEPULVEDA. JOHN SEPULVEDA. I'LL BE HAPPY TO SPELL AND PROVIDE IT TO YOUR CLERK. . OKAY. SEPULVEDA. SEPULVEDA SEPULVEDA. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I GET IT RIGHT. I DON'T WANNA GET CONFUSED WITH THE OTHER FAMOUS CALIFORNIA FAMILY . OKAY, NO PROBLEM. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SO THAT'S FINE. UM, SO, UM, AND YOU, AND WHAT IS YOUR POSITION WITH THE COMPANY? I AM ACTUALLY WITH THE LEMON GROVE SPRING VALLEY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND I WAS, I AM COMING TO REPRESENT, UH, QUALITY TOWING IN THIS HEARING. OKAY, UNDERSTOOD. SO, UH, QUALITY TOWING IS A MEMBER OF OUR, UH, ONE OF THE 43 MEMBERS OF OUR OKAY, THAT'S FINE. UM, SO JUST HOPE YOU CAN ANSWER SOME OF THE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RFP AND THE PROCESS. SO, UM, SO APPRECIATE THE CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK, BUT IF YOU CAN BE MORE SPECIFIC ON, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT, OR AT LEAST SHARING YOUR OPINION ABOUT US DINGING YOU FOR HAVING YOUR CALL CENTER IN LEMON GROVE. SO COULD YOU, BASED ON WHAT I SAW IN THE RFP, SO I REVIEWED THE RRP, NOW I WANNA MAKE SOMETHING CLEAR. I'M NOT IN THE TOWING BUSINESS MYSELF. UM, BUT I DID READ THE RFP, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH GOVERNMENTAL LIKE PROCESSES AND THE REST, AND THE RFP PROCESS. WHAT I COULD SEE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE THE DINGING CAME FROM US NOT BEING OPERATED IN NATIONAL CITY COMPARED TO, TO SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS. SO UNLESS I AM, I'VE MISREAD SOMETHING OR, OR I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING SOMETHING, UH, THAT WAS WHAT, WHAT WAS THE POINTS SPECIFICALLY? WHAT DID YOU THE POINTS I SAW WAS THAT WE WERE, WE DID NOT HAVE ONSITE IN THE YARD STAFF, WHAT I REMEMBER. SO, UM, THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT I SAW. AND IN FACT, WHEN YOU LINE IT UP, UH, THAT, THAT WAS THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WAS, THAT WAS PART OF QUALITY TOWING'S PACKAGE. OKAY. APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN CAN YOU GO INTO MORE SPECIFIC DETAIL ON WHAT WAS MISSING IN OUR PROCESS COMPARED TO THIS CITY OF CHULA VISTA IN TERMS OF SCORING CRITERIA, CATEGORIES, ET CETERA? I CAN'T GET INTO THE, TO THE, I DON'T, I'M GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU. I DON'T KNOW OFF THE, THE TOP. WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS FROM A CONSUMER PROTECTION, UH, UH, POSITION, WHICH IS IN CHULA VISTA, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH THE STAFF AT CHULA VISTA, THAT THE TOW PROCESS WORKS BECAUSE EACH TOW COMPANY BASICALLY KEEPS THE OTHER TOW COMPANY HONEST. THAT'S, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THE WAY THAT THAT STRUCTURED SYSTEM WORKS. WE SEE IT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE AMOUNT OF FOLKS WE SEE FROM LEMON GROVE WHO COME TO NATIONAL CITY TO SHOP FOR CAR, WHATEVER HAVE YOU, UM, THAT SHOULD SOMEONE FROM LEMON GROVE OR THE SPRING VALLEY AREA GET THEIR CAR TOWED, THE PRICE IS MORE LIKELY, UH, OR THE SERVICE, I SHOULD SAY THE, THE TOW YARD, UM, UH, WOULD BE, UH, FULL, UM, OR PARDON ME, THAT IT WOULD BE ROBUST ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO, TO SATISFY LIKE A FULL WEEKS OF TOWING. UM, AND THAT IT ALLOWS [00:45:01] FOR THE CREATIVE COMPETITION BETWEEN THE TOW COMPANIES TO TAKE PLACE. UH, SO ALL SEVEN COULD EVENTUALLY HAVE THEIR WEEK WHERE THEY'RE TOWING FOR THE CITY OF, UH, FOR NATIONAL CITY. SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, CHULA VISTA, SO WE CAP IT AT TWO COMPANIES, THEY HAVE MORE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE CRITIQUE OR CRITICISM? IS THE POOL, THE ALLOWABLE POOL OF ON-CALL TOW TOWING CONTRACTORS? THEY EACH TAKE, THEY EACH TAKE THEIR WEEK AND THEY ROTATE THROUGH IT. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. I JU I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE YOUR NO, I, I APPRECIATE IT AND PLEASE FORGIVE ME, UM, FOR MY LACK OF TECHNICAL PROWESS YEP. ON, ON THE RFP. GO. OKAY. AND THEN WERE THERE OTHER, UH, CRITERIA, AREAS OR ISSUES WHERE YOU FELT THAT WE, UM, AS A CITY MISSED SCORING YOU OR WEREN'T FAIR OR SOMETHING? NOT WITH REGARDS TO QUALITY, BECAUSE THE BEGINNING, IF YOU LOOK AT QUALITY, WHERE, WHERE THE, THE POINTS WERE GIVEN, I DID NOTICE WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH IT ON SOME OF THE OTHER TURNAROUNDS, I WOULD, IF I WAS REPRESENTING HIM, I DEFINITELY WOULD'VE HAD, UH, SOME COMMENTS AND SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT, IF THAT'S ON I HERE TODAY, . OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. KODO. SO, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT QUALITY TOWING. YES. AND YOUR OPERATION OR QUALITY'S OPERATION OFFICE IS IN LEMON GROVE. YES, BUT THE TOW YARD IS IN CHULA VISTA. THERE'S ONE TOW YARD THERE, BUT THE CALL CENTER IS IN LEMON GROVE. BUT YES, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. SO IF THE CAR IS TOWED IN NATIONAL CITY, IT GOES TO VISTA. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, YES. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S PLANS TO EXPAND IN NATIONAL CITY IF THERE WAS A ROTATION AVAILABLE. OKAY. BUT AS OF NOW, YES, IT WOULD GO TO CHULA VISTA. YES. NOT LEMON GROVE. NO. IT WOULD NOT GO TO TO LEMON GROVE. OKAY. NO. AND I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THERE ISN'T STAFF AT THE CHULA VISTA SITE. NO, OUR CALL CENTER STAFF. RIGHT. ACCORDING TO THE RFP. BUT AGAIN, JUST THE SAME WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF FOLKS DIDN'T, WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THE BUSINESS PERMIT, WE UNDERSTAND LIKE YOU GOTTA GET THE RFP TO, TO GO THROUGH SAME FOR EXPANDING TO NATIONAL CITY. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SERVE THAT. AND, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE, THEY DID TELL QUALITY, DID TELL, UH, STAFF THAT THERE WAS PLANS TO ULTIMATELY EXPAND SHOULD THE CONTRACT BE LANDED. OKAY. UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET TO THE, I THINK YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMER SERVICE EXPERIENCE PIECE OF THIS. I'M JUST WONDERING HOW WOULD A PERSON GO AND RETRIEVE THEIR CAR IN CHULA VISTA IF THERE'S NO STAFF THERE? FAIR. FAIR. I MEAN, DO THEY HAVE TO GO TO LEMON GROVE FIRST AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW, THEN GO TO RETRIEVE THEIR CAR IN CHULA VISTA AND BRING IT BACK TO NATIONAL CITY? IT WOULD BE REALLY CUMBERSOME. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE WORKABLE. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. NO, QUALITY TOWING DOESN'T OPERATE THAT WAY. SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE THOSE, THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE LOOKING TO, ONCE THE CONTRACT WAS, WAS OF, I HONESTLY, UH, THE BIGGEST ISSUE FOR US IS WE HAVE THE RESOURCES, THE REPUTATION. AND FRANKLY FOR ME, THE, THE IMPORTANT THING IS JOBS IN LEMON GROVE. I KNOW THAT'S NOT NATIONAL CITIES FIRST. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WE WOULD ACCOMMODATE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WOULD ACCOMMODATE THAT, UH, AS IT WAS ROLLED OUT AND AS THE, AS THEY WERE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS SOMETHING OKAY? YES. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE TIME TO COME HERE. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. UM, I DID NOTICE THE, UM, 'CAUSE I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO NOTE HOW FAR A, UH, YARD IS FROM NATIONAL CITY. UH, ALTHOUGH IT'S IN CHULA VISTA, DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR, UM, UH, THE TOW YARD IS FROM CITY HALL? NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IT WAS, UH, IN THE RFP. YEAH. YEAH, I DO SEE HERE IT IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE CLOSEST ONES. WE ONE AND A HALF MILES. YEAH, SOME ARE NINE MILES. SEVEN MILES. SO THAT THIS IS, THAT'S CLOSER. NO, NO, NO. THAT'S THE ACTUAL TOW YARD. THAT'S THE TOW YARD. AND I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I'M DESPERATELY TRYING NOT TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER TOW COMPANIES. YEAH. AND, AND STAY ON YES. ON QUALITY. BUT WHEN YOU COMPARE THE, YOU START TO SEE THOSE DISTANCES IN, IN THE GULF BETWEEN THE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPETING. YEAH. NO, I, I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE IF ANY OF OUR VEHICLES GET TOWED, WHERE WOULD THEY GO? HOW FAR WOULD THEY GO? AND WHAT IS IT LIKE FOR RESIDENTS TO GO PICK THEM UP AND WHAT IS THAT ENTIRE EXPERIENCE LIKE? AND SO I THINK THE RELATIVE PROXIMITY TO THE CITY IS CRITICAL IN ORDER FOR US TO CONSIDER THAT. RIGHT. UM, I UNDERSTAND IT WAS A CONSIDERATION WHEN LOOKING AT THE LOT REQUIREMENTS. I DON'T KNOW IF THE DISTANCE WAS CONSIDERED, UM, WHEN [00:50:01] MAKING THE NUMBERED RECOMMENDATION. I'M LOOKING AT CAPTAIN A A LOT, BUT IT WAS CONSIDERED YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I COULDN'T OKAY. . YEAH. NO, BUT IT IS, IT IS ONE OF THE CLOSEST YARDS. SO JUST TO, TO CLARIFY ON SOME OF THE POINTS. UM, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM ROAD ONE? HERE WE GO. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M BRAD RAMSEY, ONE OF THE OWNERS OF ROAD LUNG TOWING. UH, CURRENT PROVIDER OF LONGTIME PROVIDER SINCE BACK IN THE MONAGHAN DAYS. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS TWO AREAS OF CONCERN THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS ITEM TODAY. FIRST IS THE FAILURE OF THE STAFF TO ADHERE TO THE PROCESS AND THE PROCEDURES. IT'S CALLED FOR IN THE RFP. THAT'S CRITICAL. SECOND IS SOME POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH THE COMPANIES THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED. THE RP REQUIRES EXPERIENCE TO BE EVALUATED AND USED IN THE RANKING SELECTION OF THE CO, UH, TOW COMPANIES. HOWEVER, EXPERIENCE DIDN'T MAKE IT IN ANY OF THE 10 CRITERIA. SO YOU HAVE 10 CATEGORIES, EACH WORTH 40 POINTS. THREE OF THE 10 CATEGORIES ARE NOT REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING THE RFP DISPATCH CENTER PERSONNEL, WHICH IS A POSTAL AWARD ITEM. AND EVIDENCE STORAGE AREAS ARE NOT SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OF THE RFP AND SUCH. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY STANDARDS, ANY OBJECTIVE CRITERIA TO SAY WHICH IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER. ALTHOUGH EXPERIENCE DID NOT MAKE THE LIST OF CRITERIA. IT IS MENTIONED FIVE SEPARATE TIMES IN THE RFP WHERE THESE OTHERS AREN'T MENTIONED AT ALL, INCLUDING THAT IT IS TO BE USED IN THE BASIS OF AWARD OF THE THREE ITEMS TO BE CONSIDERED EXPERIENCE TECHNICAL AND PRICING. IT COULD BE ARGUED THAT EXPERIENCE IS THE MOST CRITICAL TO BE EVALUATED. THIS FLAW INVALIDATES THE PROCESS. AND IN THE AWARD YOU MENTIONED, UH, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DISPATCH CENTER. NATIONAL CITY PD DISPATCHES BY PHONE. IT DOESN'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S CALLING CHULA VISTA OR SAN DIEGO OR LEMON GROVE. THE IMPORTANT THING IS, IS IT'S PROFESSIONAL, IT'S 24 HOURS. IT'S IMMEDIATE. SO THEN WHEN YOU SAY IS IT REMOTE OR IS IT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT OBJECTIVE, THAT'S SUBJECTIVE. THAT'S OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GET THAT FROM. THE YARD NEEDS TO BE 24 HOURS AUTONOMOUS, ABLE TO CONDUCT AN IMPOUND AND A RELEASE. NOW ALL THE OTHER TOW FUNCTIONS THAT'S COULD BE ENTIRELY SEPARATE OF DISPATCH, LIKE OUR OPERATION, OURS IS VERY HIGH TECH. UH, SO IT COULD BE CENTRAL, IT COULD BE OFFSITE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT'S NOT. PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT IS BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON BOTH THE RECOMMENDED COMPANIES. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO GET INTO OTHER COMPANIES AS WELL, BUT I WILL, IT'S REPORTED THAT CORTEZ WORK EXPERIENCE INCLUDES A MAJOR SUSPENSION WITH THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, A SUSPENSION FOR OVER FOUR MONTHS RELATED TO NON-PAYMENT OF MONEY OWED THE CITY FROM THE TOW CONTRACT. THE SAME MONIES THAT THEY'RE GONNA COLLECT FOR YOU. ALSO UNDERSTOOD AS TONY'S AUTO CENTER BAILED ON ITS CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO MID-CONTRACT AFTER NOT WANTING OR NOT BEING ABLE TO TOW ABANDONED VEHICLES OR MOTOR HOMES. BOTH THESE ITEMS WOULD'VE BEEN MANDATORY DISCLOSURES IN THE RFP. SO IF THEY TOLD THE STAFF, THE STAFF DIDN'T TELL YOU UNLESS I'M WRONG. SO IF TRUE, THESE CRITICAL ISSUES SHOULD BE DISQUALIFYING EVENTS. BUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS THAT YOU JUST PAUSE THIS AND YOU ASK STAFF TO REBID THIS ENTIRELY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. YOUR NAME ONE MORE TIME. BRAD RAMSEY. AND YOU ARE REPRESENTING ROAD ONE. ROAD ONE. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT EXPERIENCE, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS, THAT DOES MATTER A LOT. UM, BUT I DO ALSO, UH, WONDER, NOT WONDER, BUT I I DO ALSO MAYBE QUALIFY THE FACT THAT YOUR PRICING IS THE HIGHEST, UH, ON THE CHART. AND IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE OF YOUR EXPERIENCE. AND THAT'S NOT TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMPARISON THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO ACROSS ALL OF THE ELIGIBLE, UH, COMPANIES THAT CAME TO US. BUT I DO WANNA MENTION THAT, THAT IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE EXPERIENCE COMES WITH A PRICE. I APPRECIATE THAT IT'S NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO THAT. WHAT WE DID WAS WE WENT TO THE LOW RANGE OF, UH, SURROUNDING [00:55:01] AGENCIES. EL CAJON JUST RAISED THEIR RATES TO TWO 60. UH, SO YOU'RE BY FAR THE LOWEST. YOU DO HAVE A PROGRAM FEE, WHICH THE TOWS PAY, UH, OUT OF THE TOW. IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. UM, SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE RFP, IT SAYS REPEATEDLY, THIS IS NOT A PRICE DRIVEN, ESSENTIALLY BID. IF YOU LOOK AT HOW THE MODEL WE PUT MODELING AGAINST THE SCORING AFTER I FOUND OUT HOW THE SCORING WORKED, YOU COULD THROW OUT TECHNICAL. THERE'S NO DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN THE LOW AND HIGH COMPANIES. UH, IT'S A PRICE. IT'S A BUYING ME CONTRACT. THIS IS A LOW BID CONTRACT MASQUERADING AS SOMETHING ELSE. THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. IF WE KNEW IT WAS LOW BID, MAYBE WE WOULD'VE DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I DON'T KNOW. I HEAR YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. AND, AND I DO, UM, UM, I ACTUALLY AM PAYING QUITE A BIT OF ATTENTION TO THE TECHNICAL, ESPECIALLY THE REPORT FROM SERGEANT, UM, SHANAHAN, THE DETAILS INCLUDED IN HIS, UM, REPORT ABOUT VERY SPECIFIC THINGS ON EACH OF THESE, LOTS TO ME SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT THE TECHNICAL REVIEW OF EVERY SINGLE, UH, COMPANY DONE VIA THE SITE VISIT. SO GOING BACK TO THAT, THERE WAS ONE POINT ON THAT REPORT FOR ROAD ONE THAT TALKED ABOUT, UM, POTENTIAL FLOODING. UM, AND KNOWING THAT THIS WINTER IS GONNA BE VERY, UH, DRAMATIC. DO YOU HAVE ISSUES OF FLOODING ON YOUR LOFT IN THAT GREAT FLOOD THE OTHER YEAR? CHOICE CREEK OVERFLOWED? SO THAT WAS A CITY PROBLEM. WE DIDN'T MAKE THAT A PROBLEM ON ANYBODY ELSE. WE TOOK CARE OF, UH, OUR FLEET TOOK THE BRUNT OF IT, OUR TOW TRUCKS, UM, WE DIDN'T MAKE THAT ANYBODY ELSE'S PROBLEM. INSURANCE CITY LAWSUITS, WE JUST FIXED OUR STUFF. THAT WAS THE ONE TIME OUT OF, WE'VE BEEN THERE ALMOST 30 YEARS. UH, THE NATIONAL CITY IMPOUND LOT IS PAVED. THERE IS A MAJOR DRAIN RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YARD THAT GOES OUT. SO IN THE BACK IT'S MORE GRAVEL AND, UH, DIRT AND DG, WHICH YOU'LL SEE TIRE RATS FROM A LONG TIME AGO. BUT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FLOODING PROBLEMS OTHER THAN THAT, THAT ONE YEAR. THANK YOU. WHAT, UH, WHAT MECHANISM DO YOU USE FOR DISPATCHING YOUR TRUCKS? WE USE, UH, UH, RADIO, BUT BASICALLY, UH, DEPENDING ON THE, THE CONTRACT, SOME ARE RIGHT TO THE TRUCKS THEMSELVES FOR NATIONAL CITY, THEY CALL OUR 24 HOUR DISPATCH. OUR DISPATCHER DISPATCHES THE TRUCK. OKAY. SO, SO, SO IT'S, IT IS RADIO DISPATCHED? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. MAY OH YES, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. RAMS RAMSEY. YES, THANK YOU, SIR. UM, I, I'M SURE THOSE DISCLOSURES THAT YOU HAVE SHARED HAS BEEN LOOKED AT BY THE COMMITTEE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A COST RECOVERY FOR US AS A CITY. IF YOU DON'T PAY IT, THEN THE CITY WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. WE CANNOT AFFORD THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR THOSE, UM, COMMENTS. WELCOME. OKAY, ONE SECOND. MEMBER BUSH. YES. IF, COULD YOU EXPLAIN, UM, SO IN THE REPORT ROAD ONE TOWING DID NOT HAVE COPIES OF THE TWO THREE FORM, UH, 2 3 4 B FORM DURING SITE INSPECTION. UM, AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE YOU PROVIDED IT JUNE 29TH. UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU DIDN'T TURN IT IN WITH THE RFPA PROPOSAL, THE INITIAL PROPOSAL. COULD YOU GO, SO COULD YOU GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT ANY FORMS THAT WERE MISSING OR ANY OF THE SCORING CRITERIA YOU WERE, UM, DOCKED FOR AND THAT YOU HAVE CONCERNS WITH OR CERTAINLY, YEAH. ISSUES THE 2 34 BS. THE OLD ONES WERE STILL CURRENT THROUGH JULY. NOW WHAT IS ATTORNEY 2 3 4 B? AGAIN, IT'S THE TRUCK INSPECTION. IT'S, IT'S THE WHAT TRUCK INSPECTION FORM FROM THE CHP? THAT'S THE CHP. WE SUBMITTED THE CURRENT ONES THAT WERE VALID AND AN EXPLANATION THAT THE UPCOMING ONES, WHICH HAD ALREADY BEEN INSPECTED, WE WOULD PROVIDE BY THE INSPECTION DAY OF THE, UH, OF THE COMMITTEE. THE PATROL OFFICER FOR CHP WENT ON VACATION. SO, UH, THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE 'EM. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WERE SWEATING IT OUT. SO WE DID GET 'EM TO, UH, THE SERGEANT, THE NEW ONES. UM, AND WE, WE DID COMPLY WITH WHAT, WHAT YOU WANTED. SO THEY WERE PROVIDED IT'S JUST CHP, THAT'S WHEN THEY DO THEIR INSPECTIONS IS RIGHT WHEN YOU, YOU PUT THIS OUT TO BID. SO THERE'S A TIMING ISSUE THERE. AND THEN THE EMAILS FROM CHP, THEY EVEN SAID IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO PROVIDE 'EM FOR THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. SO, OKAY. COULD STAFF VERIFY THAT? UM, SO WAS THIS, WAS THIS A FACTOR? THE, SO I SEE IN THE REPORT, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS A FACTOR IN THIS OR WHATNOT. SO BECAUSE IT, IT KIND OF INDICATES HERE THAT THERE WAS A WRITTEN EXPLANATION. IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME IN THE REPORT WHETHER THAT'S ACCEPTED OR THEY WERE DINGED FOR IT OR WHAT. WELL, THE RFP DID REQUIRE THE FULLY EXECUTED FORMS, BUT THROUGH THE QUESTION AND ANSWER PROCESS AS PART OF THE RFP PROCESS, [01:00:01] IT DID ACCOUNT FOR THIS SITUATION WHERE THEY MAY NOT HAVE HAD IT PRIOR TO THAT TIME. SO LONG AS THEY PROVIDED AN EXPLANATION THAT THEY WERE, HAD GONE THROUGH THE INSPECTIONS AND WERE WAITING ON THE FORMS THAT WAS SUFFICIENT TO SATISFY THE RFP REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT IF, IF THEY EITHER PROVIDED THE FORMS OR THE EXPLANATION, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DINGED FOR THAT PART OF IT. SO THEN THERE IS A REQUIREMENT. RIGHT. SO THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT, BUT THEN WE DID, WE DO, DID ALLOW AN EXPLANATION OR KIND OF AN APPEAL, IF YOU WILL, ANOTHER PROCESS FOR, UH, TO ALLOW THAT TO BE CONSIDERED OR THAT TO BE WORKED THROUGH THEN TO ACCOUNT FOR THE CHP TIMING OVERLAP HERE? YES. THERE. THAT WAS A, THERE WAS A Q AND A THAT'S SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED FOR, IF YOU EITHER SUBMITTED THE FORMS OR THE EXPLANATION, YOU SATISFIED THAT REQUIREMENT. OKAY, GOT IT. SO THEN THAT, WASN'T WE AS A CITY IN THE SQUARING CRITERIA OF THE EVALUATION, AT LEAST IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THAT WASN'T AN ISSUE, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, IT WOULD'VE SATISFIED THE REQUIREMENT BY THEM PROVIDING THE EXPLANATION AS PART OF THE RFP. OKAY. UM, WERE THERE OTHER ISSUES THEN ON THE SCORING CRITERIA THAT CERTAINLY, UM, THE SPOTTING OF THE BUS STOP, I'M SORRY, WHERE THE BUS STOP IS, IS ONE OF THEIR ISSUES. SO THE LOCATION OF PUBLIC TRANSIT, THE YOU'RE, IT COULDN'T BE CLOSER TO OUR YARD. THE ONLY WAY IT COULD BE CLOSER IS IF THEY PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRIVEWAY AND THE TRUCKS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COME THROUGH. SOMEHOW THEY MISSED IT AND THEY WENT TO THE THIRD FURTHEST, UH, CLOSEST, THIRD CLOSEST BUS STOP. UH, SO THEY HAD TO PASS UP TWO BUS STOPS IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH WHAT THEY CAME WHAT'S THE LOCATION OF THE YARD? 33. 33 NATIONAL AVENUE. UH, SAN DIEGO. YES. AND THAT BUS STOP'S AVAILABLE ON THE MTS SITE? UH, THERE'S ONE BUS STOP WITH HOW MANY BUS LINES? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BUS LINES. I'M SORRY. OKAY. THERE'S A CLOSER ONE AT, UH, BUT YOU'RE SAYING AN R SCORING CRITERIA. YOUR CLAIM IS AN R SCORING CRITERIA THAT IT DIDN'T FACTOR THAT IN ON YOUR INSPECTION. THE COMMITTEE MISIDENTIFIED THE CLOSEST BUS STOP. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. AND THEN WHEN YOU SAID THE FEES, UH, YOU MADE A COMMENT, UM, THAT IF YOU THOUGHT THIS WAS A LOWER BID CONTRACT. I I WAS, I WAS TRYING TO WRITE THAT DOWN IF, FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO, WHAT, WHAT WAS YOUR, WHAT? LIKE WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THERE? THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BID PROCESSES. SOME CITIES GO LOW BID, AND THEY PUT IT OUT THERE THAT, SO WHATEVER THE LOWEST QUALIFIED BIDDER OR THE LOWEST, UH, PRICE BIDDER IS, RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO QUALIFY. AND THEN THE LOWEST PRICE OF THE QUALIFIED GETS IT. AND IT'S VERY CLEAR, OTHER CITIES, MOST CITIES NOW SAY THE BEST VALUE, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO BE LOCKED IN ON LOW BID BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID OF WHAT THEY'RE GONNA GET. BE BECAUSE OF THE INEXPERIENCE OR OTHER TECHNICAL FACTORS. CORRECT. RIGHT. OKAY. I, UM, SO QUESTION IS STAFF. I THOUGHT THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO GO WITH THE LOWEST OR THE, UM, YES. THE LOWEST PRICE BID ON ALL RFPS. ISN'T THAT A GOVERNMENT REQUIRE OR CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? PUBLIC WORKS CONTRACTS? CAN YOU, LIKE, YOU DON'T KNOW. I CAN BE ALLOWED. THAT'S GOOD. UH, THAT IS, THAT IS A REQUIREMENT IN A PUBLIC WORKS TYPE OF CONTRACT. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS, THIS PROCESS, UM, WHICH THE GENTLEMAN IS REFERRING TO, IS A PROCESS THAT EACH CITY CAN DO DIFFERENTLY. UM, THERE CAN BE LOW BID, THERE CAN BE OTHER FACTORS. THIS, IN THIS CASE, WE DIDN'T DO LOW BID. WE DID A COMBINATION. I KNOW THAT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S DIFFERENTLY, BUT WE'RE USING TECHNICAL AND MONEY, MONEY FACTORS PUT TOGETHER FOR RATED SCORES. OH. SO, SO WE'RE NOT BOUND KNOWING THAT. SO IN THIS, WE ARE NOT LEGALLY BOUND YEP. TO GO WITH THE LOWEST, UH, PRICE OR THE, OKAY. YEP. THANK YOU. THAT'S MISUNDERSTOOD THAT. SO THANK YOU. THANKS, THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THEN DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM A-S-P-A-S-A-P. OKAY. MAYOR, THAT CONCLUDES, UM, THE FIVE [4. PUBLIC COMMENT] COMPANIES THAT QUALIFIED. UH, DO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT NOW? YES. OKAY. WE DO THAT. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER TO COMPANIES. THOSE WERE THE FIVE THAT WERE ON THE LIST. BUT IS, SO DO WE HAVE THE OTHER TWO THAT WEREN'T? I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM EITHER OF THEM. SO IF THEY'RE, THEY MAY BE HEARING THE PUBLIC COMMENT. ARE THEY ALLOWED TO BE AS PART OF THE YEAH, THEY WERE APPLICANTS. YEAH. SO THEN, OKAY. SO WE DIDN'T SAY JUST THE ONES, THE ACCEPTED ONES, BUT THE APPLICANTS AS A WHOLE. OKAY. UH, ANGIE BARRINO WITH ANGELO'S TOWING. [01:05:09] GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, I WAS ASKED BY ANGELO TOWING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROCESS BECAUSE COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD? EXCUSE ME. IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. I DID. WHAT YOUR NAME, PLEASE? COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD? OH, I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT SHE CALLED ME. AUGIE BARNO, UH, OKAY. FROM CHULA VISTA, FORMALLY FROM NATIONAL CITY. BUT, UH, BY VIRTUE OF HAVING MANAGED THE CONTRACT FOR MOYNIHAN TOWING FOR APPROXIMATELY 20 YEARS, I WAS ASKED BY ANGELO TO LOOK AT THE PROCESS THAT THEY WENT THROUGH, UH, TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY ABNORMALITIES AND DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS. AND THERE WERE, BUT, BUT LET ME, LET ME MAKE SOMETHING VERY CLEAR TO THE COUNCIL. THERE ARE TWO GIANTS IN THE ROOM THAT ARE VERY QUIET, BUT MISSING AND ESSENTIAL TO WHAT GOES ON. NUMBER ONE, THE CONTRACT AND EVERYTHING THAT THE PD DOES IS DRIVEN BY THE DISPATCH, BUT THE DISPATCH AS AN INDICATOR OF COLLECTING FEES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, NEVER GETS LOOKED AT BY VIRTUE OF THE CONTRACTOR OTHERWISE. AND WITHOUT THE DISPATCH MOVING, WITHOUT A COMMITMENT OR A STANDARD FOR DISPATCH OR UNDERSTANDING THE CONTEXT THAT DISPATCH REPRESENTS, IT'S JUST A HALF A LOOK. AND THEN THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS, MOST PUBLIC AGENCIES, WHEN THEY CONTRACT WITH VENDORS OR OTHER AGENCIES, THERE'S AN EVALUATION PROCESS AND IT DETERMINES WHETHER YOU'RE GOOD OR BAD. BUT IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS, THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A GOOD OR A BAD. IT COMES OUT IN THE RFP PROCESS, WHICH IS AN OLD WAY OF DOING IT. AND, AND IF YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THE CONTRACT. THE CONTRACT WAS STARTED WHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ITSELF RAN THE TOWING. AND IT HAS SUBSEQUENTLY MOVED FROM THAT. UH, THE MOYNIHAN FAMILY HAD IT FOR 35 YEARS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH. BUT MY POINT TO YOU IS THAT IN THE CASE OF ROAD ONE, AND IN THE CASE OF OF ANGELO, THERE'S NO INDICATION OF WHETHER THEY WERE GOOD OR BAD. THERE'S AN INDICATION THAT THEY WERE INSUFFICIENT IN TERMS OF THE STAFF PERSPECTIVE FOR THE RFP. BUT, UH, THAT, THAT'S WISHY-WASHY. THAT GOES BOTH WAYS, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA HELP THE COUNCIL. WHAT I'M SUGGESTING TO YOU IS THAT YOU LOOK AT HOW YOU DETERMINE WHAT IS EFFECTIVENESS FOR OUR CONTRACT THAT SERVES YOU. BECAUSE HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE'S DIFFICULTY WITH THE PUBLIC, WHEN THERE'S A SALE OF IMPOUNDED VEHICLES AND IT INVOLVES CITY ATTORNEY, IT INVOLVES THE MANAGER'S OFFICE, IT'S FAR GREATER THAN JUST THE STAFF THAT WORKED ON IT. AND I, I THINK THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED AND LOOKED AT HOW YOU GO ABOUT RENDERING THESE CONTRACTS. THERE'S GOOD AND BAD. AND IF YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO THIS PROBLEM LIKE YOU DO EVERY FIVE YEARS OR OR EVERY FOUR YEARS, AND YOU CAN'T GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHETHER THERE'S BEEN GOOD CONTRACTORS OR NOT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT BUILT THAT WAY, WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS THE RFP. BUT THERE'S NO CONTRACT MONITORING, THERE'S NO QUARTERLY REPORTS, THERE'S NO ANNUAL REPORTS. AND SO WHERE DOES THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY GO TO MEASURE WHETHER IT'S GETTING IT'S MONEY'S WORTH? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY IN THE HANDS OF THE STAFF. THAT'S NOT COMMAND. IT HAS TO BE ASSISTANT CHIEF, CHIEF MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY. IT HAS TO BE AT THAT LEVEL. AND ALSO, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU LOOK AT THE PUBLIC, OTHER AGENCIES, OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, CHP, THE SHERIFF, ALL THOSE OTHER PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. SO MY POINT TO YOU IS THAT IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, YOU'RE JUST GOING BACK DOWN THE SAME ROAD AND YOU'LL BE BACK IN THE SAME POSITION. AND THERE'S VERY LITTLE ROOM FOR YOU TO MANEUVER, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DON'T ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF DISPATCH. EVERYTHING STARTS WITH THE DISPATCH, [01:10:01] AND THAT'S ONLY DIRECTED TO THE PD, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE HEART OF THIS CONTRACT. AND IT'S NEVER MEASURED. IT'S NEVER LOOKED AT. IT'S NOT A BUDGET ITEM NECESSARILY, SO THAT YOU'RE SITTING WITHOUT HAVING THE STANDARD OF HOW THESE CONTRACTORS OPERATE. NOW, ROAD ONE AND ANGELOS AND OTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOREVER, THEY HAVE BACKGROUND BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. SO YOU START OUT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT BY NOT LOOKING AT THAT AND, AND ENCOURAGING NEW ONES. THAT'S FINE. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? OKAY. YES. SO ANGELO'S WAS, DID NOT MEET THE RFP REQUIREMENTS, FAILURE TO INCLUDE OR COMPLY WITH REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO CHP FORM 2, 3, 4 B. SO CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? AND SO YOU'RE REPRESENTING ANGELO'S. OKAY. YEAH. WHAT THEY SAID IS THEY, THEY, THEY LACK A FULLY EXECUTED COPY. RIGHT. AND, AND BY THE WAY, MAYERS, I'M SORRY, I'M ASKING SHELBY. OH, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT KEEPS SHUTTING OFF. THANK YOU. OH, THANK YOU. GOOD CATCH. SO, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WASN'T SIGNED OR IT WAS SIGNED BY AN EMPLOYEE, OR THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS WRONG THERE. FULLY EXECUTED MEANS SIGNED, BUT BY VIRTUE OF THE CONTRACT THAT THEY HAVE WITH THE CHP AND, AND, AND, UH, AND OTHER AGENCIES, THOSE VEHICLES ARE APPROVED. SO IT'S, IT'S LIKE ASKING A PLUMBER, DID YOU BRING THE TOOLS? YEAH, I'M A PLUMBER. I BROUGHT THE TOOLS. SO THEY'RE THE, THE DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE SITE REVIEW COMMITTEE AND THE STAFF AT THE YARD, UH, THERE'S DIFFERENCES. ONE SAID IT WAS AND ONE SAID IT WASN'T. ONE SAID IT WAS OKAY, THEN IT WASN'T. OKAY. THERE'S, THERE'S INCONSISTENCIES FROM WHAT I WAS ABLE TO DETERMINE. NOW, MR. LACEY CAN, CAN PERHAPS ADDRESS THAT MORE DIRECTLY, BUT THAT'S WHAT I FOUND. BUT WEIGHING, WEIGHING THE CONTRACT AND WEIGHING THE EXPERIENCE BASED ON A, A ASSIGNED CHP FORM OF WHICH THEY ALL HAVE TO HAVE, IT'S NOT, IT'S NO MYSTERY. IT'S THERE, IT'S A REQUIREMENT, UH, WHETHER IT'S FULLY EXECUTED OR NOT. BUT IN THIS CASE, IT WAS, THEY JUST DIDN'T WORK IT OUT. SO, OKAY. SO THAT'S, I, BUT, SO I WANNA KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT PART THOUGH. SO DID ANGELOS HAVE, DID THEY COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS ON CHP FORM 2 3, 4 B? YES OR NO? THEY WERE TOLD WHEN THEY HAD A SUBSEQUENT VISIT BY THE COMMITTEE THAT YES, IT, THAT THEY HAD MET IT AND THEN IT WASN'T. SO, SO IS YOUR CLAIM THAT, AND AT THIS POINT WHEN WE MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT YOU'RE NONRESPONSIVE, YOU CONTESTED THAT AND YOU DISAGREED WITH THAT? UH, I THINK I, I THINK IT WAS POINTED OUT IN A, IN A MEMO OF STAFF OF MR. LACEY WOULD HAVE THAT BETTER THAN I, BUT I WAS LOOKING AT THE PROCESS FOR, AND OKAY, SO, SO FOR ME, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO DETERMINE IF YOU, AND IF STAFF CAN ANSWER THIS AT SOME POINT. I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE DID YOU, WERE YOU, DID, DID YOU HAVE THE FORM AT THE TIME THAT THEY ASKED FOR IT OR NOT? AND IF YOU ALL DIDN'T HAVE THE FORM, DID WE? WELL, THEY WERE TOLD THEY HAD MET IT, AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY THEY WERE TOLD THEY DIDN'T. SO, OKAY. AND I, AND I JUST LIKE, AND FOR STAFF TOO, WHAT I WANNA UNDERSTAND IS IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE REQUIRED FORM, DID WE, SIMILAR TO IN THIS PROCESS WITH OTHER VENDORS, GIVE THEM AN EXPLANATION, KIND OF OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT THAT? BECAUSE TO ME, THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE CONSISTENT THING TO DO. SO THE FORM WAS AN EXPLICIT PART OF REQUIREMENT OF THE CONTRACT. ANGELO'S WAS THE ALL SIX VENDORS, EXCEPT FOR ANGELO'S, PROVIDED EITHER THE FORMS OR THE EXPLANATION. THEY DID NOT HAVE EITHER THE FORM OR THEIR EXPLANATION IN THE RFP AND THAT DID NOT MEET THAT OBJECTIVE REQUIREMENT IN THE RFP. THANK YOU. AND IS THE TOW RFP, IS THAT, UH, AN ITEM THIS FORM 2 3 4 B? IS THAT AN ITEM? OH, I THINK IT IS. TRUCK EQUIPMENT. UH, OH, WAIT, NO. UM, IS THAT ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THIS TOW RFP SITE VISIT FORM THIS ITEM RIGHT HERE? THIS 2 3 4 B LICENSE CHP? YES. THEY, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY CHECK AS PART OF THEIR SITE VISITS. AND RICHARD, WHICH, BUT WHICH PART IS IT ON? IS IT LISTED ON HERE? LIKE WHICH PART ON THIS LIST? IS IT THIS TOW RFP SITE VISIT CHECKLIST? [01:15:01] WHERE IS IT? I WAS NOT ON THAT. I WAS ASKING RICHARD TO IDENTIFY THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO THAT FORM AND THE SIGNATURES. SO THE SIGNATURE, YEAH, THE, THE FULLY EXECUTED FORM IS SIGNED BY CHP FOLLOWING THE INSPECTION. OKAY. AND NO, BUT WHAT, WHAT, I THINK THE QUESTION IS, DID YOU HAVE, DID YOU HAVE THAT FORM SIGNED BY CHP? CAN I GOING ON REPRESENT? IF YOU COULD SPEAK ON THE MIC THOUGH, PLEASE. FOR THE, AND, AND COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF, PLEASE? MY NAME IS RON LACEY. I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT. I AM WITH AND REPRESENTING ANGELO'S TOWING AS WELL. AND TO GIVE TO THE ISSUE AT HAND ABOUT THE FORM 2 34 B, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT UNFORTUNATELY WE DID NOT PROVIDE IT AT THE TIME THAT WAS SENT IN. I DID THE RFP MYSELF, AND WHAT I SENT IN WAS THE FORM, BUT IT WAS UNSIGNED WHEN STAFF CAME OUT TO DO THEIR INSPECTION, I KNOW THAT THEY ASKED FOR IT, BUT IT WASN'T ME WHO DID THE RFP. AND IN THAT RFP AND THE PROCESS, IT SAID GIVE A CONTACT PERSON TO BE CONTACTED TO SUBMIT INFORMATION. THERE WAS A, A NAME THAT WAS ON THERE, AND THAT PERSON WAS NEITHER CONTACTED OR ASKED FOR THIS INFORMATION. ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER, ONE OF OUR SUPERVISORS WAS ASKED, HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROCESS. AND UNFORTUNATELY, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK IN THE RECORD, AND I DID COME DOWN AND SUBMIT SOME INFORMATION TO THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR, IT'S EXHIBIT B, AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE FORM 2 34 B. WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE 'EM, AND THEY WERE SIGNED BY THE CHP, BUT THE MEMBER THAT THEY REQUESTED THE INFORMATION FROM, SUBMITTED THE WRONG FORMS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATES AND THE RFP WAS DUE JUNE 15TH, OUR CHP INSPECTIONS WERE DONE BETWEEN APRIL AND MAY WE HAVE THAT FOR THE RECORD. IN FACT, I, LIKE I SAID, I BROUGHT A PACKET DOWN. AND HOW LONG DID THOSE LAST BEFORE THEY EXPIRE THE CHP FORMS? ARE THEY A YEAR, TWO YEARS, YEAH, YEARS. AND THE RISK, THE REAL ISSUE THAT HAPPENED HERE IS THAT BECAUSE WE USED THE SAME FORM FOR OURSELVES IN-HOUSE TO DO OUR INSPECTIONS AS IF WE WERE THE CHP, THAT MEMBER ACCIDENTALLY SET WHAT WE DID IN-HOUSE VERSUS OUR SIGN FORMS BY THE CHP. AND THAT'S WHERE THE DISCREPANCY COMES IN AT. AND STAFF SENT US AN INFO, UH, UH, SENT HIM IN FACT THAT HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN CONTACTED FOR THIS INFORMATION. THERE WAS ANOTHER NAME THAT I PUT ON AN RFP AS THE CONTACT PERSON FOR THIS INFORMATION TO COME TO. THEY WERE NOT CONTACTED. HAD THAT HAPPENED, THE ACTUAL FORMS WOULD'VE COME IN. WE HAD HAD 'EM ALL ALONG. I SUBMITTED 'EM TO YOU SUBSEQUENTLY SINCE THEN, WHEN WE FOUND OUT WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS, AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE DATES, THEY'RE SIGNED BY CHP OFFICER NEWELL, AND THEY WERE DONE IN APRIL AND IN MAY, PLENTY OF TIME BEFORE THE RFP WAS REQUESTED, MY ERROR WAS IN NOT KNOWING THE FORMS SPECIFICALLY. SO WHEN I INITIALLY SENT IN THE INITIAL RFP, IT HAD THE UNSIGNED FORMS WHEN STAFF CAME OUT TO DO THEIR INSPECTIONS. AND WE APPRECIATE WHAT THEY DID. UH, THE RATIONALE WAS JUST THIS, WE GOT, THEY GOT INFORMATION FROM THE WRONG PERSON. WE ACTUALLY HAD THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE. ANGELO'S TOWING WAS WELL QUALIFIED TO DO THE POSITION AND CONTINUE WITH THE TOWING FOR THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS TYPE OF PROCESS BEFORE. I USED TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND TWO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. WHEN THESE TYPES OF THINGS HAPPENED, UH, THE COMPANY WAS GIVEN A CHANCE TO COME BACK AND MAKE THE CORRECTION OR PUT IT ON THE RECORD AS TO WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR TODAY, TO ASK THAT. BECAUSE OF THIS AND BECAUSE OF THE WAY STAFF DID NOT FOLLOW YOU IN THEIR OWN CONTACT REQUEST TO GET INFORMATION FROM THAT, THIS WAS AN ERROR THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. WE ASK THAT THIS CONTRACT NOT BE GIVEN TO THE COMPANIES TONIGHT. AND THAT JUST BE LOOKED AT. THERE ARE SEVERAL ISSUES, EVEN WITH SOME OF THE COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN CHOSEN THAT ROW ONE BROUGHT UP, THERE'S ISSUES ABOUT WHETHER ONE OF THE COMPANIES ACTUALLY HAS A CUP TO ACTUALLY HOLD TO IMPOUND VEHICLES. THERE'S ALL TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED AND LOOKED AT. RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. YOU WERE, YOU WERE BROUGHT UP SPECIFICALLY TO ANSWER THIS, THIS ITEM. SO, UH, ON THE FORM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS HERE OF ANGELO'S? NO QUESTION. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, MY QUESTION PERTAINS TO PRICING. I UNDERSTAND ANGELO'S SERVICES THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. YES. I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE PRICING AS FAR AS THIS CHART IS CONCERNED. PRICING CONSIDERATIONS ARE THE, AND, AND THE PRICING APPEARS TO BE ON THE HIGHER END OF THE, ALL OF THE ONES THAT WE ARE COMPARING. MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, ARE THESE PRICES SIMILAR TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE PRICES CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE CITY? OR ARE THESE HIGHER PRICES? NO, CURRENTLY THOSE PRICES ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN PAYING OR ASKING FOR, AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH ALL THE OTHER CITIES THAT WE DO SERVICE. BUT BECAUSE THIS IS AN RFP, AND THIS THING IS UP TO, UH, DISCUSSION, IF THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE PRICING, ANGELO'S TOWING IS CON FLEXIBLE IN THAT REGARD THAT WE WOULD'VE COME DOWN ONCE WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION. [01:20:02] SO MY QUESTION SPECIFICALLY IS, ARE YOU RA RAISING YOUR PRICES FROM YOUR CURRENT CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY? NO, WE'RE NOT. THE CHART HERE APPEARS TO INDICATE THAT. YES. WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT DOES ACTUALLY. I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE CHART. WELL, THANK YOU. YEP. UH, MEMBER BUSH. SO, UH, AND THANK YOU VICE MAYOR ACTUALLY HAD SIMILAR QUESTIONS. UH, SO FOR STAFF ON THE CHART, AND THANK YOU. THIS IS A GOOD CHART. SO I APPRECIATE STAFF'S WORK ON THIS. THIS IS HELPFUL VISUALLY. SO CAN YOU STAFF PULL UP THE SLIDE RATING CRITERIA, PRICING CONSIDERATION, THAT HAS ROAD ONE, CORTES, ANGELO'S QUALITY ASAP, TONY'S, AND THEN THE LOYAL. UM, AND MY QUESTION IS, THERE'S SEVERAL ROWS. UM, BASIC TOWING, MEDIUM SIZE, IT GOES ON. SO WHAT, YEAH, THE ONE BEFORE THAT, I THINK IT'S, YEAH, THAT'S THE WAY TO RESULT. SO I THINK IT'S THE ONE BEFORE OR AFTER. YEAH. SO THIS ONE, SO I WAS KIND OF GOING TOWARDS THE TOP LINE, UH, BASIC TOWING, AND I SEE ACROSS THE BOARD, UH, ANGELO'S DOES APPEAR TO BE ONE OF THE HIGHER ONES OUT OF ALL OF THEM. BUT THEN WHEN I LOOK AT ALL OF THESE ROWS BELOW, I SEE THE, IT RANGES. AND THEN, SO LIKE ANGELO'S COMES IN SOMEWHAT CHEAPER ON SOME. SO THERE, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE ON THESE. SO IS THERE, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS AT THIS POINT. UH, IS THE, IS THIS, IS THERE AN AVERAGE OF ALL OF THESE PRICING OR IS FOR EXAMPLE, BASIC TOWING MORE, UM, COMMON THAN STORAGE PER HOUR? SO WHAT I, I, I HAVE TROUBLE WITH THIS CHART. WHAT IT, UH, WHAT IT MEANS, HOW IS IT WEIGHTED? HOW IT'S WEIGHTED. THANK YOU. SO, BECAUSE THE TIE, I WOULD, I, MY EYE IS DRAWN TO THAT TOP LINE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE TOP LINE IS NECESSARILY REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL OF THE, THE WAITING. SO CAN ANYONE ANSWER THAT? THE MANAGER, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT PLEASE? YEAH. SO THE, THE SLIDE THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE ISN'T A WEIGHTED PRICING. THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE PRICING THAT EACH OF THE, UM, EACH OF THE APPLICANTS PROVIDED AS WHAT THEY WOULD CHARGE FOR EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUAL SERVICES. SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW THEN DID THIS TRANSLATE TO A OBJECTIVE WEIGHTED SCORE IN TERMS OF STAFF, UH, CONSIDERATION? LIKE, SO WHICH OF THESE, UH, AND I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF A COMPLEX QUESTION, BUT MAY MAYBE, RICHARD, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT? THE, THE WORKING GROUP LOOKED AT THE MOST COMMON FEES, WHICH ARE PRIMARILY THE BASIC AND MEDIUM IN ASSESSING THE OVERALL SCORE. SO I LOOKED AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SCORES, BUT THE, THE MOST COMMON TOES AND SERGEANT OR CAPTAIN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THOSE ARE THE MOST COMMON ONES. SO THOSE WERE GIVEN AS PART OF THE OVERALL PRICING, THAT WAS THE FOCUS IN SCORING THE PRICING FACTOR. SO IS THAT AN ACTUAL WRITTEN CRITERIA? IS THERE A FORM? WAS THAT AN ACTUAL STATED, UH, PRICE? BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE GIVEN RIGHT NOW IS IT'S NOT, THAT PART ISN'T CLEAR HOW MUCH WEIGHTING, SO I HEAR YOU WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU'RE SAYING THAT BASIC AND MEDIUM ARE THE MOST COMMON, BUT A COMMON ITSELF IS NOT AN OBJECTIVE SCORING CRITERIA. SO I NEED MORE LIKE, IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THE OBJECTIVITY OF THAT PRICING. SO COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS IS THE ACTUAL PRICING BEING CONSIDERED BY THE VENDORS. IF YOU LOOK AT RATING CRITERIA, WEIGHTED RESULTS, THAT IS WHERE THE PRICING CALCULATIONS ARE COMBINED WITH THE TECHNICAL SCORES. RACHEL, IF I GOT IT WRONG, JUST CORRECT ME OR SERGEANT SHANAHAN CAN TELL ME I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK I'M RIGHT. . HOWEVER, GO AHEAD. HOWEVER, COUNCIL MEMBER, THEY WERE, THEY WERE NOT WEIGHTED ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY GOT DROPPED. SO ONLY FIVE TOWING COMPANIES WERE WEIGHTED BECAUSE THEY WERE THE FIVE, UM, FINALISTS. OKAY. SO NOW WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WERE, HOW THEY WEIGHTED. THEY WERE WAITED. YES, SIR. OKAY, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THAT TOO. I APPRECIATE THAT. SO THE, I SEE A TECHNICAL RAW SCORE. OKAY. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PRICING RAW SCORE. SO, OKAY. I JUST HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT. I NEED, I JUST NEED TO THINK ON THAT. THANK YOU. SHE CAN WALK ANYTHING ELSE? SORRY? CITY ATTORNEY. OH, I WAS JUST SAYING, I THINK THEY CAN WALK THROUGH AN EXAMPLE OKAY. ON THAT. OKAY. AND IT, AND I CAN GIVE YOU, WE CAN GIVE YOU STAFF SOME TIME ON THAT, BUT I JUST, I, I, I, I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE PRICING CONSIDERATION AND ALL THESE LINE ITEMS HERE, AND THEN HOW THAT FACTORS INTO THE PRICING [01:25:01] RAW SCORE. AND THEN I SEE HOW IT'S WEIGHTED AFTER THAT. BUT THE PRICING RAW SCORE, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT'S DETERMINED. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, AGAIN, IN CLOSING, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS COUNCIL SEND THIS BACK FOR THE CITY STAFF TO RESEND OUT AND LET ALL OF US GO BACK AT THIS. AGAIN, THERE ARE TOO MANY ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED AND LOOKED AT. AND EVEN THE FACT THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA ASK WHAT CONTACT PERSON, PLEASE CONTACT THAT PERSON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THEN DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM LOYAL? OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT, LET'S GO TO OUR, UH, LET'S GO TO OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS. OKAY. AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY NEED TO CALL BACK ANY OF THE, ANY OF THE APPLICANTS TWO OR THREE. OKAY. OKAY. ALICIA MORRISON. AND, AND DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON ZOOM? NO, SIR. OKAY. JUST, JUST ASKING CLARIFI QUESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAPTER TWO OF THE BROWN ACT. BODY SUBJECT TO THE BROWN ACT TO BE SUBSIDIARY BODIES, ANY BOARD COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES, OR OTHER BODIES OF LOCAL AGENCIES CREATED BY CHARTER ORDINANCE RESOLUTION OR FORMAL ACTION OF THE LEGISLATIVE BODY IS ITSELF A LEGISLATIVE BODY. SECTION 5 4 9 4 2 B. HAVING ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE TOW COMMITTEE FILED A STATEMENT OF ECONOMIC INTEREST, CONFLICT OF INTEREST STATEMENTS, WHO ARE THE NAME MEMBERS OF THIS TOW COMMITTEE AND WHERE AND WHEN OR WHERE CAN I REVIEW THE REQUIRED FILINGS PER YOUR ADOPTED RESOLUTION AMENDING THE APPOINTMENTS NOR ON WAS IT LISTED ON THE BIANNUAL REVIEW AT THE MAY 5TH MEETING, UH, MEETING OR ON THE AGENDA REPORT THAT IT WAS NOT APPLICABLE? GENERALLY, THIS CASE OF WHETHER THE BODY IS PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY ADVISORY OR DECISION MAKING, THIS WAS A DECISION MAKING PROCESS. AND THE TOW COMMITTEE HAD EIGHT VOTING MEMBERS, WHICH IS COMPRISED OF MORE THAN A QUORUM OF THIS FIVE MEMBER CITY COUNCIL. SO IT IS NOT EXEMPT FROM THE BROWN ACT. WHEN WERE THE DISCUSSIONS AND VOTING DONE PUBLICLY BY THIS TOE COMMITTEE, THE VOTING MUST BE DONE PUBLICLY. I COULD NOT FIND ANY AGENDA OR ANY RECORDED MINUTES FOR THIS TO COMMITTEE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW. THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO BE INFORMED AND STAY INFORMED. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS SUCH A STRUGGLE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONDUCT THE PEOPLES PEOPLE'S BUSINESS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 5 4 9 5 0 OF THE BROWN ACT. I AM REQUESTING THIS ITEM BE SET ASIDE UNTIL THE TOW COMMITTEE IS COMPLYING WITH THE BROWN ACT, ACCORDING TO CALIFORNIA LAW 5 4 9 5 0. THANK YOU. I'M ASSUMING I'M GONNA ADDRESS A QUESTION. I WAS I SEE PEOPLE TO ASK. LOOKING AT ME TOO WAS ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. UH, UNDER THE BROWN ACT AND THE, AND THE PROVISION CITED BY MRS. MORRISON, UM, THE, UH, BODIES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE BROWN ACT ARE THOSE THAT ARE IDENTIFIED THROUGH EXACTLY AS SHE SAID, AN ORDINANCE, A MO, THE BODY OF THE CITY COUNCIL, OR THROUGH OTHER MATTERS. TH THERE'S ALSO INFORMAL COMMITTEES. THOSE ARE SOMETIMES CALLED AD HOC COMMITTEES OR OTHER COMMITTEES. THIS COMMITTEE SLASH WORKING GROUP WAS NOT FORMED BY ANY COUNCIL ACTION. UM, IT WAS FORMED BY THE GROUP TO DO THE RFP. IT IS NOT REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE BROWN ACT. IT IS NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE MEMBERS, IT IS NOT AN OFFICIAL BOARD COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AND IS AUTHORIZED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AS THE ACTING BODY. SO IF YOU LOOKED AT OUR RULES, REGULATIONS AND THE BROWN ACT, YOU WOULD SEE THAT EACH OF THE COMMITTEES THAT IS IDENTIFIED HAS GONE THROUGH A PROCESS AND THROUGH EITHER STATUTE, THROUGH OUR ORDINANCE OR OTHER, OTHER COUNCIL ACTION BEEN FORMED. THAT HAS NOT, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN HERE. AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONFUSION BECAUSE OF THE USE OF THE WORD COMMITTEE, UM, IN, IN THE REPORT. IT'S REALLY A WORKING GROUP, OR IF YOU WANNA CALL IT AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. IN EITHER CASE, IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE BROWN ACT. I THINK YOU SAID THE ATTORNEY. AND THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING TOO. BUT I THINK I UNDERSTAND MS. MORRISON'S POINT ABOUT, UH, UH, THE TRANSPARENCY PART OF IT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS. THAT'S WHAT THIS PROCESS IS FOR THE TRANSPARENCY TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE ISSUES ARE. CORRECT. CORRECT. IF THERE ARE, I MEAN, IF WE, IF WE LOOKED AT ANY WORKING GROUP THAT HANDLES ANYTHING, [01:30:01] THEY WOULD BE DOING THEIR WORK AND PRESENTING IT TO YOU ALL AS THE BODY, UH, FOR THE COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION ON, BECAUSE YOU'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN'T TAKE THOSE ACTIONS. UNDERSTOOD. SO, I DON'T KNOW, UH, MS. MORRISON, IF THERE WAS OTHER SPECIFIC ISSUES WITH THE TRANSPARENCY, AT LEAST IN TERMS TERMS OF THIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING OR WITH THIS PROCESS, I'D LIKE YOU TO BE MORE SPECIFIC OR HEAR WHAT IT IS. NOT TO NECESSARILY BRING YOU BACK AND, AND GO BACK AND FORTH, BUT I, I, BUT THIS WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THIS COMMITTEE THAT IT DIDN'T, UH, VIOLATE THE BROWN ACT. SO, NO, AND I THINK, I THINK THE USE OF THE TERM, I, I FEEL LIKE THE USE OF THE WORD COMMITTEE IN THIS REPORT DOES LEAD TO EXACTLY THE QUESTIONS THAT MS. MORRISON IS ASKING. IT'S NOT POSTED OUT THERE ON THE PUBLIC NOTICE BOARD OF ALL THE COMMITTEES THAT ARE THERE. OKAY. THIS WAS A RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY THIS BOARD ON JANUARY 20TH, 2026. IT WAS ITEM 11 TWO. MM-HMM . AND IT WAS EXHIBIT B. YES. IT HAS THE APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND COMMITTEES. YES. PER THEIR POLICY 1 0 7. YES, MA'AM. NOWHERE ON HERE. IS THERE LISTED A TOW COMMITTEE? THAT'D BE A, IT'S NOT REQUIRED COMMITTEE. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE IT'S NOT A COMMITTEE REQUIRED ON THE BOARD'S, COMMISSIONS, AND COMMITTEES. THEY HAD A VOTING MEMBERS. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. ALRIGHT. IT'S NOT A BROWN ACT BODY. OKAY. RIGHT. YY YOU, YOU RECEIVED YOUR ANSWER. I KNOW YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT, BUT YOU'VE RECEIVED THE ANSWER. I I CAN CHAT MORE WITH YOU ABOUT THAT. OKAY. IF YOU'D LIKE. OKAY. I WILL TALK TO ANOTHER ATTORNEY. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WOW. UH, NEXT ONE. DOLE MARON. I'M A GOOD ATTORNEY. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, EARLY EVENING, UH, CITY COUNCIL AND, UH, ALL THE TOWING COMPANIES AND, UH, CITY RESIDENTS. I'M HERE. UM, AS USUAL, I, I THINK THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF, UM, UH, PRESENTATIONS AND THAT THE AMOUNT OF GUEST SPEAKERS IS PRETTY LOW. SO I'M, AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH YOU DID GIVE US TWO MINUTES, I'M AGAIN, ADVOCATING FOR THE THREE MINUTES AS REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, AS REQUIRED. IF YOU HAVE LESS THAN 10 SPEAKERS, I'LL CONFIRM THAT WITH, WITH, UH, WITH THE, THE STAFF HERE, WITH THE CITY CLERK. AND, UM, AND SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COUNCIL ALLOW TH THREE MINUTES PER GUEST BE, OR FOR PUBLIC SPEAKING, WHEN THERE ARE, UM, LESS THAN 10, WHICH WOULD MEET, MAKE IT, UH, FALL UNDER THE THIR 30 MINUTES. AS FAR AS THE, THE TOWING GOES, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL IS UNDER SCRUTINY BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN PAST INCIDENCES IN REGARDS TO TOWING WHERE, UH, CONFLICT OF INTEREST HAS, HAS BEEN HAPPENED WITH THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT. AND THEN THAT WAS, THEN THAT WAS RECTIFIED BY SOMEONE RESIGNING THAT HAPPENED. I MEAN, YOU'RE LAUGHING, MAYOR, BUT THAT HAPPENED. SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN EXPECT THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS GONNA BE SCRUTINIZING WHEN IT COMES TO, TO TOWING. AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. SO, UH, TO BE PART OF THAT PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT'S TRANSPARENT. AND IN REGARDS TO TOWING, UM, ONE THING IS, IS THE CHEAPEST PRICE DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN THE BEST SERVICE. IF YOU TOW MY CAR AND YOU DAMAGE MY CAR, AND THEN IT WAS FOUND OUT THAT I WAS PARKED LEGALLY, I'M GONNA SUE WHOEVER DAMAGED MY CAR, WHICH IS A TOWING COMPANY, WHICH THEN WAS GONNA PUT THE CITY IN JEOPARDY AS WELL. THE OTHER THING, 'CAUSE I GOT 10 SECONDS LEFT, IS IN THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY, WE HAVE A LOT OF BIG TRUCKS. WE TALK ABOUT BIG TRUCKS ALL THE TIME. AND SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COMPANIES THAT HAVE MORE EQUIPMENT IN CASE THERE IS THIS CATASTROPHIC, HUGE HEAVY LOAD, UH, FOR THE CITY. THAT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT. SO, THANK YOU THOMAS. RE, I'D LIKE JUST TO POINT OUT THAT THESE FOUR COMPANIES ARE BEING PAYING $150,000 A YEAR, $75,000 EACH. AND, AND THE, THE ON THEY HAVE TO, UH, THEY ONLY GET TO WORK 15 DAYS. THE TO BE ON THE DISPATCHER HAS, UH, RATES SOME EVERY 15 DAYS, EVERY FIF EVERY MONTH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MIC POLANCO. GOOD EVENING. 38 MORE DAYS FOR RON TO STEP DOWN. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT, JOSEPH FLORES CLARK HAVING A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THESE TOWING COMPANIES AND THAT ARE CONTRACTING WITH THE CI, UH, CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, [01:35:01] IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT THE PEOPLE OF NATIONAL CITY KNOW THE IDENTITIES OF ANY TOWING CONTRACTORS TO WHOM THEIR CITY GOVERNMENT MAY BE DOING BUSINESS WITH. ACCORDINGLY, POLICE OBTAIN FROM THE TWO PROPOSED CONTRACTORS, CORTES TOWING AND TONY AUTO CENTER, A LIST OF ALL OWNERSHIPS AND SHAREHOLDERS OF ANY FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENTS RELATED TO THE PROPOSED TOWING CONTRACTS, THE PROOF OF OWNERSHIP AND FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENTS. DOCUMENTS SHOULD BE OBTAINED AND RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC BEFORE ANY AWARD OF THE PROPOSED TO ACCOMPANY CONTRACTS ARE, ARE GIVEN. UNDER ARTICLE ONE, SECTION THREE OF THE CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION, THE PUBLIC HAS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF ACCESS TO INFORMATION CONCERNING THE CONDUCT OF THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS. THIS RIGHT IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT GIVEN THE ONGOING SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY, NATIONAL CITY, AND THE NEED TO INQUIRE INTO ANY POSSIBLE CONFLICT OF INTEREST BETWEEN POTENTIAL POTENTIAL TOWING CONTRACTORS AND THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT. THIS IS, UH, VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE, TO AVOID LAWSUITS AND TO AVOID RELATED CONFLICT OF INTEREST LAWSUITS GOING FORWARD, WHOEVER THE NEW MAYOR IS GONNA BE, WHOEVER THE NEW CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE GONNA BE, YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR DUE DUE DILIGENCE AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK, READ EVERYTHING, ASK QUESTIONS. AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING ABOUT IT THE RIGHT WAY BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF, UH, RFPS. THAT'S THE PROPER WAY TO DO IT. AND I CONGRATULATE YOU FOR DOING THAT. AND I CONGRATULATE THE CITY, UH, MANAGER FOR STEPPING IN AND GETTING A LOT MORE CONTRACTS. SO, UM, KEEP DOING THE GREAT WORK, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. LUIS MCCARTHY. YOU HAVE REMOVED PUBLIC COMMENT FROM TODAY'S AGENDA, CONTRARY TO THE SPIRIT AND THE LETTER OF THE OPEN MEETING LAW AND THE STATE CONSTITUTION, YOU CALL THIS A SPECIAL MEETING, BUT THERE'S NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT IT. IT'S THE SAME OLD STORY AND DECISIONS BEING MADE WITHOUT MEANINGFUL PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND THE PEOPLE OF NATIONAL CITY BEING LEFT IN THE DARK, WE ARE NOW BEING ASKED TO TRUST THAT THIS TOYING CONTRACT WAS NEGOTIATED PROPERLY. AND IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST. THE PUBLIC DESERVES MORE THAN TRUST. WE DESERVE TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND EVIDENCE TO EVERY STEP OF THIS PROCESS THAT WAS CONDUCTED OPENLY AND FREE FROM CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. MAYOR, YOU HAVE 38 WORKING DAYS LEFT TO RESTORE SOME SEMBLANCE OF INTEGRITY AND LEAVE A LEGACY OF TRYING TO ADDRESS THE INJURY YOU HAVE CAUSED THIS COMMUNITY. I URGE YOU TO STOP SHUTTING RESIDENTS OUT, RESPECT THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE, AND ENSURE THAT EVERY DECISION MADE DURING YOUR REMAINING TIME IN OFFICE IS TRANSPARENT, DOCUMENTED, AND FREE FROM CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. THERE IS A DOCUMENTED HISTORY THAT MAKES THIS CONFLICT OF INTEREST QUESTION ESPECIALLY RELEVANT. A 2009 REPORT STATED THAT THE MAYOR THEN RON MORRISON'S, PERSONAL ASSISTANT, JOSIE FLORES CLARK, WAS WORKING PART-TIME FOR JC TOWING, WHILE ALSO WORKING FOR THE CITY, WHICH LEADS ME TO INFORM THIS COUNCIL THAT JOSIE FLORES CLARKK IS SITTING IN EMPLOYEE INTERVIEWS DURING BUSINESS HOURS WITH ANGELO'S TOWING COMPANY. THIS EMPLOYEE THAT EXPERIENCED THIS IS HAPPY TO SHARE THAT EXPERIENCE AS WELL AS PARTICULAR OBSERVATIONS OF YOUR ASSISTANT GOING IN THERE FREQUENTLY PICKING UP CHECKS. HMM. SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO. OTHERWISE YOU WILL FIND YOURSELF AGAIN WITH OTHER LAWSUITS BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING AGAINST CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. FIRST OF ALL, LET ME MAKE, MAKE A QUICK COMMENT SO THAT WE CAN SET RECORD STRAIGHT. UM, MY ASSISTANT WAS HIRED ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO. AT THE TIME SHE WAS WORKING FOR JC TOWING AND SHE WAS ON PROBATION WHEN SHE WAS FIRST HIRED. SHE DID, WE DO HAVE A POLICY IN OUR CITY THAT YOU CAN WORK OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT WITH THE WRITTEN PERMISSION OF THE CITY MANAGER. SHE DID GO AND DID GET THAT AS LONG AS IT WAS OFF DUTY, UH, ON HER OFF DAYS AND DID NOT AFFECT ANYTHING WITH NATIONAL CITY. UH, WHEN SHE FINISHED HER PROBATION PERIOD, UH, SHE DID RESIGN FROM JC TOWING. THAT WAS 19 YEARS AGO. WHAT ABOUT NOW? SO ANYWAY, SO, SO, SO THERE WAS, SO THERE WAS NOTHING THERE AT THAT POINT. NOW THEN, SO BEFORE YOU GO ON YOUR SMEAR CAMPAIGN ANYWAY, NOW THEN, [01:40:01] UH, SO WITH THAT, WE ARE NOW, UH, THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT AND LET'S ANYTHING HERE. OKAY, MAYOR, [Additional Item] UH, UM, UH, I DO HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE TWO SUGGESTED, OR THE TWO, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE MADE A SUGGESTION FOR, UH, WAS IT TONY'S AND CORTES, AND I DO HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, ESPECIALLY FOR CORTES. I DON'T BELIEVE THE APPLICANT WANTED TO ADDRESS US, BUT CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS? YEAH, CORTES, UH, CAN THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM CORTES PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE? HI, CAN YOU PLEASE SAY YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? JOHNNY CORTEZ. THANK YOU. MR. CORTEZ, CAN YOU OR YES, MR. CORTEZ, CAN YOU TELL US YOUR POSITION IN THE COMPANY? I'M, I'M DONOR. OKAY, GOOD. MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH, UM, UNDERSTANDING SOME OF THE RHETORIC THAT HAS BEEN MADE PUBLIC ABOUT CORTEZ AND THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO. AND, UH, YOUR SERVICE TO, YOU KNOW, TO THAT CONTRACT. CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND MAYBE IN A NUTSHELL WHAT SOME OF THAT RHETORIC MEANS? WELL, I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, LEMME LET YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW WE STILL HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO. YOU KNOW, UH, WE DO THE STORAGE FORS, ALBE, AND THE TOWING FOR THREE SECTIONS OF SAN DIEGO. WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT TO, WHAT, WHAT SPECIFIC QUESTION ARE YOU ASKING ME? I AM AWARE THAT THERE WAS SOME PAYMENT, I DON'T KNOW, MIX UP THAT THERE WAS PAYMENTS DUE TO THE CITY AND, UH, IT WAS, IT THAT WAS SO JUST 'CAUSE I HAVE IT OPEN. NO WORRIES. UH, SO, AND I'M READING A LETTER IN FULL TRANSPARENCY AND DISCLOSURE. UH, PART OF THIS IS FROM AN ARTICLE FROM, UH, VOICE OF SAN DIEGO. SO THAT'S WHERE I GOT THE LINK TO, TO THIS, UH, CITY OF SAN DIEGO PURCHASING CONTRACT DEPARTMENT. IT IS A LETTER DATED SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2025. AND SO, UH, THE CITY'S DETERMINED THAT THE CONTRACTOR HAS NOT FULFILLED OBLIGATIONS, UH, UH, PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR LIPS. UH, THE ATTACHMENT IDENTIFIES UNPAID INVOICES TOTALING 279,000, UH, $47 AND 25 CENTS. SO IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, VICE MAYOR? YES. OKAY. THAT, THAT WAS A CLERICAL MISTAKE IN OUR PART IN SAN DIEGO'S PART BECAUSE THEY WERE SENDING US THE WRONG INVOICE TO PAY. AND MY PERSONNEL INSIDE THE OFFICE WAS PAYING THOSE INVOICES. BUT WE, AFTER THE FACT THAT WE NOTICED, HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE GIVING US THERE, THERE'S STILL PAYMENTS FOR THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO THOUGH, WHEN YOU DO THE TOWING AND WHEN YOU DO THE STORAGE. SO MY, MY PERSONNEL WAS PAYING THE TOWING, NOT THE STORAGE. OKAY. SO WE, WE CLEARED OUT WITH THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO AND WE WERE, WE'RE BACK IN THE CONTRACT WITH THEM. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. UM, UH, I'M SURE THERE'S LESSONS LEARNED. I'M SURE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE MADE. THERE WAS, I'M LOOKING OUT FOR THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, RIGHT? AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO CONTRACT WITH CORTEZ, THAT CORTEZ IS GOING TO FULFILL THE CONTRACT. HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, TO THE BEST LETTER OF ALL THE TERMS IN THE CONTRACT, CAN WE EXPECT THAT? I MEAN, THIS IS, UH, OF COURSE, OF COURSE. IT'S, WE, WE, I LET GO OF THE, OF THE PERSON THAT WAS IN CHARGE OF THAT. AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, WE HAVE ANOTHER PERSON THAT, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD NO ISSUE WITH THE CITY AF AFTER THAT INCIDENT. AND WE DO EVERYTHING ELECTRONICALLY. SO ALL THE PAYMENTS ARE SENT OUT ELECTRONICALLY DIRECTLY TO THEM. WELL, I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU IN THE HOT SEAT, IT'S FINE. I'M JUST, AGAIN, I I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS TO YOU, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU WEREN'T, UM, INTRODUCING THE COMPANY, YOU KNOW, THE WAY ALL OF THE OTHER, UH, APPLICANTS DID. I JUST WANNA EXPRESS TO YOU HOW, UH, IMPORTANT THIS CONTRACT IS FOR THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. UH, I'M SURE BY NOW YOU RECOGNIZE THE ATTENTION YES. THAT IT GATHERS, UH, RIGHTLY SO. RIGHT. THIS IS A VERY LUCRATIVE CONTRACT, UH, FOR WHOEVER ENDS UP TOWING FOR THE CITY FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR TO YOU, UM, THAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE VERY HIGH. IT IS. YOU KNOW, WE, WE SPOKE QUITE A BIT, OR AT LEAST I, I FOCUS QUITE A BIT ON, UH, PRICING AND PRICING IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT IT'S GONNA HAVE ON PEOPLE THAT GET THEIR CARS TOWED. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WANT POOR SERVICE, RIGHT. OR, YOU KNOW, SERVICE THAT IS LACKING IN ANY WAY. SO THE ONLY REASON I'M GOING DOWN THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING IS BECAUSE OF, I'M GONNA CALL IT AN EXPOSE ON YOUR COMPANY. AND, AND I'M JUST INTERESTED IN HEARING YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT. WELL, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 35 YEARS, SINCE THE SECOND YEAR OF DOING THIS. THERE'S BEEN, HE S**T THIS, THEY, THEY SAID THIS, THEY DID THIS, THEY DID THAT. I MEAN, IT'S JUST, FORTUNATELY, IT'S JUST PART [01:45:01] OF A, TO INDUSTRY. IT'S PART OF HAVING COMPETITION. PART OF YOU TAKING A CONTRACT AWAY FROM ANOTHER VENDOR. WHY DID HE TAKE IT AWAY? WHAT DID HE DO? WHO DOES HE KNOW? WHAT IS HE DOING DIFFERENTLY THAN I AM? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS. I WAS RAISED HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. I WENT TO SCHOOL HERE IN NATIONAL CITY, AND THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS, IS GIVE OUT A BAD NAME TO MY FAMILY AGAINST THE, THE CITY THAT I GREW UP WITH. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, AND MY COMPANY'S TRANSPARENT. I MEAN, LOW, LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS THE LOWEST PRICE. AND IT'S BECAUSE I BASE MYSELF ON MY HOMEWORK. I DID ON THE, ON THE PRICES WITH THE CITY. IF, IF YOU HAVE A CONSTANTLY LOW BID CITY, I'M GONNA COME BACK AND DOUBLE MY PRICE BECAUSE IT'S OUTRAGEOUS. YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE DIFFERENT CONTRACTS THAT WE FULFILL WITH DIFFERENT CITIES AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE DON'T MAKE HERE, WE MAKE ANOTHER IN ANOTHER CITY. I GET IT. OF COURSE. YOU KNOW, RUNNING A BUSINESS, RIGHT? YOU NEED TO KEEP YOUR BUSINESS, UM, RUNNING. WELL, MY LAST QUESTION TO YOU, UH, WILL YOU MAINTAIN YOUR CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO? UH, YES, DEFINITELY. OKAY. WE HAVE CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, CHULA VISTA, SHERIFF, CHP BORDER PATROL. I MEAN, WE HAVE DIFFERENT CONTRACTS, SO I MEAN, THAT TALKS HIGHLY ABOUT MY COMPANY. OKAY. THANK YOU. PROBLEM ONE QUE LET ME JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR. NOW. IT'S BEEN REPORTED THAT YOU DID GET SUSPENDED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2025 AND, BUT THAT, THAT SUSPENSION LASTED THROUGH FEBRUARY OF 2026. IS THAT TRUE? I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE DATES, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I CAN'T BE, WE DID GET SUSPENDED, I THINK LIKE, UH, TWO, THREE MONTHS. OKAY. SO IT WAS, IT WAS UNTIL THEY THREW OUT, UNTIL WE THREW OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH IT. OKAY. SO IT WAS OVER SEVERAL MONTHS, IN OTHER WORDS. OKAY. JUST SO, SO WE'RE CLEAR. OKAY. I, UM, MEMBER BUSH DID, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? OKAY. UH, YEAH, BUT IT IS SO THANK YOU MR. CORTEZ. I APPRECIATE THAT, UM, THAT EXPLANATION AND THAT BACKGROUND. AND JUST LIKE PERSONALLY RIGHT NOW, I'M SATISFIED, UH, WITH THAT PART OF IT AND APPRECIATE JUST LEARNING THAT YOU'RE FROM NATIONAL CITY AND THAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THREE, FIVE YEARS EXPERIENCE. SO IT, UM, SO YEAH, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES THERE. UM, SO MY QUESTION IS MORE FOR STAFF. SO WHEN WAS STAFF MADE AWARE? WHEN DID STAFF FIRST FIND OUT ABOUT THE SUSPENSION? I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE PAPER, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. SO STAFF WAS NOT AWARE OF THE SUSPENSION BEFORE THE ARTICLE CAME OUT FROM THE VOICE OF SAN DIEGO, CORRECT? UH, NO. I'LL CORRECT MYSELF. I, WE, WE DID HEAR ABOUT IT IN THE VOICE OF SAN DIEGO. UH, UM, I'LL LET SERGEANT SHANAHAN EXPLAIN IT. HE, HE, WHEN HE WAS DOING THE, UM, THE PROCESS PART, PART OF THE, UH, PROCESS THAT WE DO IS WE CONTACT THE OTHER CITIES THAT USE THESE COMPANIES AND, YOU KNOW, GET FEEDBACK AND UH, SERGEANT HAND SHANAHAN WILL LET HIM ANSWER THAT QUESTION. SO I DID DO REFERENCE CHECKS ON CORTEZ. I SPOKE WITH ERNESTO FELIX, HE'S THE TOW ADMINISTRATOR WITH SAN DIEGO PD. HE DID ADVISE ME THAT THEY HAD ISSUES WITH PAYMENT PARTWAY INTO THEIR NEW CONTRACT. HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A SUSPENSION OR HOW MUCH MONEY WAS OWED. HE JUST SAID THAT YEAH, THERE WAS AN ISSUE. IT WAS ADDRESSED AND IT WAS CORRECTED AND THEY WERE CURRENTLY IN GOOD STANDING. SO THIS WAS A CONVERSATION YOU HAD BEFORE THE REPORTING CAME OUT? YEAH. OKAY. UM, SO THAT'S WHEN YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE SUSPENSION AND THEN WAS THAT THEN PART OF THE SCORING CRITERIA AT ALL? WELL, MY, WELL LEADING UP TO THAT. SO WHAT WERE THE DATES THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT THE SUSPENSION TOOK PLACE? SO MR. CORTEZ IS SAYING IT WAS, UH, AN ADMINISTRATIVE, OR IT WAS ERROR WITH THE INVOICING. SO I BELIEVE YOU ON THAT, UM, THAT IT WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE INVOICING, BUT THEN HOW LONG DID IT TAKE? AND, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE STILL WITH THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, SO THERE WEREN'T ISSUES WITH IT, BUT THEN HOW LONG BEFORE THAT SUSPENSION WAS LIFTED? SO WHEN I SPOKE WITH ERNESTO FELIX, HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A SUSPENSION. HE JUST MENTIONED THAT THEY HAD HAD AN ISSUE WITH PAYMENT THAT LASTED THE GOOD PART OF A YEAR. AND THEN THEY, WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT UP TO THE OWNER, IT WAS DETERMINED IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH AN EMPLOYEE THAT WASN'T DOING THEIR JOB PROPERLY AND THAT THEY HAD CORRECTED THE PROBLEM AND THEN THEY WERE CAUGHT UP AND EVERYTHING WAS A GOOD STANDING. OKAY. IS THAT YOUR, AND IS THAT CONSISTENT MR. CORTEZ WITH OH, OKAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH, CAN I JUST ANSWER ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS OR ANSWER ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT EARLIER, JUST SO WE DON'T, UH, MOVE ON FROM IT? YOU ASKED ABOUT, UH, TONY'S, UH, BUSINESS LICENSE AND WHEN THEY APPLIED FOR IT EARLY ON? YES, THANK, OH, THANK YOU FOR CIRCLING BACK ON THAT. YES. THE DATE THAT THEY APPLIED WAS, UH, MAY 27TH AT 22, 20 26. AND IT LOOKS LIKE 10 25 A 10:25 AM [01:50:02] THE, THE, UH, THE APPLIED CORRECT. THAT IT SAYS BUSINESS LICENSE, ONLINE APPLICATION. OKAY. UM, GOT IT. AND THEN WAS THAT A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE IT, I, I SAW ON THE LIST IT SAID, UH, CURRENT THAT IT NEEDED TO BE CURRENT. SO DID THAT MEAN BEFORE BY THE TIME THAT THE RFP SUBMITTAL? I THINK IT WAS BY THE TIME, BY THE TIME OF THE CONTRACT HAVING A BUSINESS LICENSE AT THE TIME OF THE CONTRACT WAS THE REQUIREMENT. OKAY. THAT'S JUST NOT CLEAR FROM HERE, BUT I, UM, I THINK I, THAT IT MAKES SENSE AT THE TIME OF THE CONTRACT, SO THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CAPTAIN LUCK. APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY, MR. CORTEZ, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THIS DISCREPANCY THAT WAS EXPOSED FROM THE PAPER, UM, AND YOU SAID IT'S BEEN RECTIFIED, UM, MR. CORTES, THE BUSINESS OF TOWING IS A COST RECOVERY FOR OUR CITY, RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE COULD NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF ADMINISTRATIVE ERROR CORRECT. IF, UM, THE SAME THING HAPPENS. SO HAVE YOU, HOW DID YOU CORRECT THIS INTERNALLY IN YOUR OFFICE? UM, WE, WE HAD A, A SECRETARY THAT, THAT USED TO DO THAT FOR US. NOW WE GOES THROUGH MY WIFE AND IT GOES TO ME AND THEN IT GOES TO HER AND I WOULD DISTRIBUTE PEOPLE THAT SEE WHAT WE NEED TO PAY FOR THE SERVICE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. UM, MAYOR, I ALSO WANTED TO ASK AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION OF TONY'S. OKAY. TONY'S, OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, REMIND ME YOUR NAME PLEASE? DEBORAH. DEBORAH. THANK YOU. UH, I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU AS WELL, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE A CONTRACTOR WITH THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO. YES. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT CONTRACT? UM, ANY TROUBLES, ANY, UH, LESSONS LEARNED? MAYBE WHAT CAN THE CITY OF SAN, OF NATIONAL CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, REAP THE BENEFIT OF FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH SAN DIEGO? UH, AS FAR AS WITH SAN DIEGO, THE REASON WE DID NOT CONTINUE WITH SAN DIEGO IS WE RECEIVED A QUITE LARGE AMOUNT OF LARGE MOTOR HOMES AT THE TIME WE WERE ON OUR CONTRACT AND WE COULD NOT HANDLE 'EM AT THE TIME. SO WE DID BACK OUT OF THE CONTRACT OURSELVES. BUT AS SINCE THEN, WE HAVE GOTTEN A LARGER LOT. SO WE DO HAVE MORE ROOM. WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO LOTS. SO WE DO HAVE THIS SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE NATIONAL CITY WITH NO PROBLEM. WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER 60 YEARS, 40 OVER 40 YEARS MYSELF. SO WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO, UP UNTIL THE TIME WITH SAN DIEGO, WITH THE, THE MOTOR HOMES THAT WERE ABANDONED, THAT WE WERE TOWING, WE HAVE NEVER FILLED UP ANY OF OUR LOTS UNTIL THAT TIME. WE WERE GETTING 25 TO 30 FOOT, MAYBE 40 FOOT MOTOR HOMES, WHICH TAKE UP A LOT OF SPACE INSIDE THE YARD. AND THE YARD WAS NOT QUITE LARGE ENOUGH, LARGE ENOUGH TO HANDLE ALL OF THE MOTOR HOMES. SO AT THAT POINT WE BACKED OUT. SO WE WOULD NOT CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS FOR SAN DIEGO. AND SINCE THAT TIME WE HAVE LARGER LOTS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE IF THAT DOES HAPPEN AGAIN. THANK YOU. UHHUH . UH, ONE, ONE MOMENT. UH, PLEASE. YEAH, SORRY. YEAH, YEAH. THERE YOU GO. UM, YEAH, I HAVE QUESTION ALONG THE SIMILAR LINES ON THAT ONE. 'CAUSE YES SIR, BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, OKAY, YOU WERE MID-CONTRACT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU BACKED OUT? I THINK IT WAS IN 2003 OR YES, SIR. 23, I MEAN, YES, IN 2023. UM, AND SO, AND IT WAS BASICALLY 'CAUSE OF THE MOTOR HOMES AND, AND, UH, ABANDONED, ABANDONED VEHICLES. I THINK IT WAS THE ABANDONED MOTOR HOMES. WE GOT QUITE A FEW OF THEM. I MEAN, SEVERAL TIMES A MONTH THEY WOULD, WE WOULD GET AT LEAST ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO SEVEN OF THEM. AND IN THE LOT WE HAVE WITH THE SIZE OF THE MOTOR HOMES, YOU JUST, YOU DON'T HAVE THE ROOM TO BE ABLE TO KEEP STACKING THEM IN NEXT TO EACH OTHER OR IN FRONT OF EACH OTHER TO WHERE YOU CAN STILL MOVE AROUND THE LOT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND UH, BUT AS YOU SAY, YOU SAY NOW THAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A LARGER LOTS YES. SO THAT YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE. 'CAUSE I AM SURE, UH, MOTOR HOMES AND ABANDONED VEHICLES WILL PROBABLY BE PART OF OUR YES. WOULD BE PART OF OUR CONTRACT. I'M LOOKING OVER AT OUR OFFICERS HERE. YES. WE DO IT FOR EL CAJON PD, WE DO IT FOR CHULA VISTA PD AS WELL. OKAY. SO YOUR SITUATION HAS CHANGED BETWEEN NOW YES. AND WHAT YOU HAD IN 23? YES, SIR. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO CHECK ON THAT ONE. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? CHAIR? YES. I'M JUST READING PAGE 29 OF 1 42. IT SAYS, HOW RELEVANT IS THIS [01:55:01] NOTE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE NOTES HERE THAT SAYS NC SECURED EVIDENCE STORAGE AND PAVE EXAMINATION AREA, UM, CAPTAIN, UM, IS THAT VERY SIGNIFICANT AT ALL? BECAUSE I SEE FROM THE OTHERS THAT, UH, THEY WERE ALL YESES AT THE TIME OF THE INSPECTION. THEY DID NOT HAVE IT, BUT THEY DO HAVE IT NOW. THEY HAVE FOUR LARGE EVIDENCE STORAGE AREAS THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER FOR US. THANK YOU. UM, CAN THAT BE NOTED HERE? THANK YOU. SO IT'S NOTED IN THE REPORT NOW THAT THEY HAVE IT, IT'S, NOTHING'S BEEN CHANGED IN THE REPORT, BUT THEY DO HAVE IT, THE UPDATE. OKAY. YES, I TOOK PHOTOGRAPHS OF IT. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. SO, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS CORRECTED AFTER THE INSPECTION, RIGHT? YEAH. YES. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MA'AM. I, I THINK THAT'S IT ON THAT, YES. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? UM, YEAH. OH, JOSE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING OR, OH, OH, CITY MANAGER, YOU WERE POINTING DOWN THE WAY. I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, MY EXPERIENCE, UM, OVER 37 YEARS IN CITY MANAGEMENT MM-HMM . UM, DOING TOWING CONTRACTS IN SEVEN CITIES IN THREE DIFFERENT STATES. AND THIS IS DEJA VU. EVERY TOWING CONTRACT ENDS UP WITH THIS TYPE OF CONVERSATION. UM, I THINK MR. CORTEZ MADE THE, THE COMMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GET TO THIS POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL PICK AT THE METHODOLOGY USED, UH, THEY'LL PICK AT WHAT OTHER CONTRACTORS DID OR DIDN'T DO, UM, AND IT BECOMES MORE OF A POLITICAL DECISION THAN AN OBJECTIVE DECISION. SO I JUST WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WAS USED HERE. UM, AND THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT EXPERIENCE BEING A, A, YOU KNOW, USED IN, IN THE RFP MULTIPLE TIMES. WELL, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE FACTORS USED IN DETERMINING IF SOMEONE IS RESPONSIVE AND QUALIFIED TO EVEN ENTER INTO THE SCORING PROCESS. WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE ON A, A TOWING CONTRACTOR THAT'S NEVER, UM, BEEN IN BUSINESS AND WANTS TO START UP BUSINESS HERE IN NASHVILLE CITY. THAT'S, THAT'S JUST TOO BIG OF A RISK FOR US THAT, SO THAT JUST ENTERS THEM INTO THE SCORING PROCESS. EACH OF THE APPLICANTS, UM, EXPRESSED DIFFERENT OPINIONS REGARDING WHAT THEY BELIEVE SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED ABOUT THE PROCESS, UM, WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT I'VE EXPERIENCED IN OTHER CITIES. UM, THE POINT IS ALL THE QUALIFIED CONTRACTORS OR APPLICANTS WERE SCORED USING THE SAME CRITERIA. IT WAS A FAIR PROCESS, IT WAS AN OBJECTIVE PROCESS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK FOR WHEN WE'RE DOING AN EVALUATION LIKE THIS. IS EVERYONE RECEIVING, UM, THIS SCORED UNDER THE SAME CRITERIA AND IS IT DONE FAIRLY? THAT'S WHY WE HAD A COMMITTEE OF EIGHT DIFFERENT PEOPLE, UM, TO PROVIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE SCORING. THERE MAY BE BIASES IN THAT, UM, IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE THE PROCESS WAS CLEAN, IT WAS OBJECTIVE, IT WAS FAIR, UH, WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT THAT, UM, IT CAN BE UPHELD AND, AND SUPPORTED. SO THANK YOU. UM, OKAY. MEMBER BUSH, UH, YES. UH, THANK YOU CITY MANAGER FOR YOUR WORK AND THE SUMMARY OF THAT. UM, COULD YOU, SO I AM, AND I APPRECIATE THIS, UH, DISCUSSION AND I APPRECIATE CORTEZ AND TONY'S, UH, COMING UP TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE CONCERNS I HAD WITH THE SUSPENSION WITH THE BUSINESS LICENSE. SO I DON'T, UH, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES THERE AT THIS POINT. UH, MY OUTSTANDING ISSUES, ANGELO'S, UH, AND THEIR LICENSE AND THE, HOW THAT WAS, UH, FACTORED IN AND THEM NOT MOVING FORWARD. UM, AND DESPITE THEIR CLAIM OF HAVING THAT LICENSE, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEIR CLAIM IS THAT THEY DID HAVE THIS, UH, HIGHWAY PATROL LICENSE TO THREE FOUR B AND THEY WERE EXCLUDED FROM THE PROCESS, BUT THEY DID HAVE IT. AND MY OTHER TWO CONCERNS WITH QUALITY ARE ROAD ONE, IF YOU CAN ADDRESS IT, OR STAFF THE QUALITY HAD THE ISSUE ON THE SCORING WITH THE DISPATCH OR THE CALL CENTER LOCATION OR STAFF'S, UH, DETERMINATION THERE. AND THEN ROAD ONE MADE A STATEMENT ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THEIR [02:00:01] BUS STOP. SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THOSE ISSUES BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. UM, THOSE ARE THE THREE OUTSTANDING ISSUES FOR ME. YEAH, A FEW QUESTIONS THAT I HAD, I KNOW THAT, UH, QUALITY BROUGHT UP SOME STUFF AND, UM, AND INDEED THEIR BUSINESS OFFICE IS SHOWING TWO AND A HALF MILES AWAY IN LEMON GROVE. AND THAT WAS GREAT FOR THE PLUG FROM THE LEMON GROVE CHAMBER THERE, UH, UH, FOR YOUR BUSINESS GROUP. UM, BUT ALSO, BUT THEN IT SHOWS THAT THE, THAT THE YARD ITSELF IS IN SHULA VISTA, THREE AND A HALF MILES IS A ZOO. WHEN YOU ASK THAT, I I, I, I KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE, UH, AND WHAT IT'S SAYING IN, IN THE REPORT IS THAT THE YARD IS THREE AND A HALF MILES FROM NATIONAL CITY DOWN ON, UH, HOLLISTER, I BELIEVE, I THINK IT WAS HOLLISTER, UH, IN SHULA VISTA, BUT THE OTHER ONE'S OVER HERE. SO YOU'VE GOTTA GO THERE TO DO THAT OVER HERE. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY, THAT'S KIND OF CUMBERSOME. UM, THE, UH, THE OTHER, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAD WAS THAT THE TWO COMPANIES THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT ARE THE TWO SMALLEST COMPANIES THAT, AS FAR AS EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING, UH, OF, OF THE SEVEN. AND UH, UM, SO THAT, UM, AS FAR AS NUMBER OF TRUCKS, NUMBER OF DRIVERS, THINGS ALONG THAT LINE, WHICH IS A LITTLE CONCERNING THAT WE'RE GOING WITH THE TWO SMALLEST ONES. UM, SO YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT ADEQUATE, UH, UH, SERVICEABILITY. UM, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE, UH, THE DEAL ON THE, UH, THE USE OF THE, UM, CHP LICENSING SINCE THE PERSON CONTACTED WASN'T THE PERSON ON RECORD TO CONTACT. AND THEN THEY GAVE THEM, I GUESS IT WAS THEIR YARD COPY AND NOT THE, NOT THE CHP COPY IF INDEED THOSE CHP COPIES. I THINK YOU SAID THEY WERE APRIL AND MAY, WAS IT YOU JUST NO, THAT'S OKAY. I, BUT I BELIEVE YOU OBJECTIONS WERE DONE IN APRIL. APRIL, MAY. OKAY. OKAY. BUT THEY WERE SIGNED IF, IF THEY WERE SIGNED UP BY, BY THEM IN APRIL AND MAY, AND SO YOU HAD THEM, UH, ON FILE, UM, MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME BETTER FOLLOW UP ON THAT. IT KIND OF, UM, PUTS A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT OF A, PUTS A BIT OF A TAINT HERE ON THAT. UM, THE OTHER THING BEING, UH, WITH CORTEZ ALSO THE, THEIR BUSINESS OFFICE AND I GUESS THEIR, UH, THEIR YARD TOGETHER IS, IS THE FARTHEST AWAY. IT'S LIKE ABOUT 7.2 MILES AWAY. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S QUITE A DISTANCE FROM, UH, FROM NATIONAL CITY. UM, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A DISTANCE FACTOR THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE IN NATIONAL CITY, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, THE IDEA OF BEING CLOSE AND HAVING THE AVAILABILITY OF, OF TRANSIT, THINGS ALONG THAT LINE ARE IMPORTANT. UM, SO ANYWAY, YEAH, THERE'S A MIXED BAG OF LIKE QUESTIONS THAT COULD BE ASKED AND, AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT I THINK ARE THROWING, AND I AGREE WITH THE CITY MANAGER, THESE THINGS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, IF IT IS TOWING CONTRACTS, I'VE ALWAYS SAID, NO, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. WE, WE ALREADY HAD TESTIMONY. THANK YOU, UH, WITH THE, UH, TOWING CONTRACTS OR, UH, A LOT OF TIMES WITH, UH, TRASH CONTRACTS USED TO BE, ESPECIALLY IN THE PAST, UM, UH, AMBULANCE SERVICE IN THE PAST, IT USED TO BE ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS A, A ROYAL PAIN. NOW THE OTHER ONE, NOW THE NEW ONE TODAY, UH, TODAY IS CANNABIS. UH, THOSE ONES, ANYTIME YOU PUT OUT FOR THOSE LICENSE, IT IS, IT IS ALWAYS A BAG OF WORMS AND A LOT OF, A LOT OF MESS. AND A, UH, EVEN WHEN YOU GET ALL YOUR ANSWERS, YOU STILL GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS. SO IT'S, UH, UM, I THINK I WAS QUOTED IN, IN ONE OF THE PAPER ARTICLES, I THINK IT WAS THE VOICE OF SAN DIEGO SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, THESE TYPE OF CONTRACTS ARE ALWAYS, ALWAYS MESSY AND THEY ALWAYS ARE, UH, JUST BY, BY THEIR VERY NATURE. UM, BUT ANYWAY, UH, BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION, WHETHER IF WE MOVE AHEAD WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER WE HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IF WE DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN EXTENSION OF EXISTING CONTRACTS BECAUSE OUR, THIS CONTRACT RUNS OUT IN A FEW DAYS. SO, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY REAL THING THAT, THAT WE DO HAVE TO MAKE SOME KIND OF DECISION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TODAY. UH, ANI, MR. MAYOR, I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN MAKE CHANGES, UM, BECAUSE OF, IF WE DO, THEN WE HAVE TO REOPEN IT. IS THAT TRUE? IS THAT CORRECT? COUNSEL, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING REOPEN IT, UM, YOU, YOU, YOU COULD, BUT I THINK THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE MIGHT HAVE COMMENTS ON THAT AND THE TEAM BASED ON THE TIME AND THE MONEY, UM, TO REOPEN IT AND COMPLETELY REDO THE BID PROCESS. UM, ALTERNATIVELY, AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, YOU CAN ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND MOVE FORWARD. YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION. ALTERNATIVELY, AS THE MAYOR ALSO SAID, IF IN FACT A DECISION IS NOT MADE TONIGHT, WE WILL HAVE TO EXTEND THE CONTRACTS [02:05:01] OF OUR CURRENT TOW COMPANIES TO GET TO, UM, SO THAT THERE'S NOT A GAP IN SERVICE. THANK YOU. SO WE DON'T, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO REBID UNLESS THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZES THAT, UNLESS WE CHANGE THE TERMS. CORRECT. I, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT COMMENT? UNLESS WE CHANGE THE TERM. UNLESS WE CHANGE THE TERMS. OKAY. I JUST DIDN'T HEAR YOU. I'M SORRY. SO, FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION, MOVE TO ADOPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? HEARING ONE DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND. WHAT I, YES, BECAUSE I, I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS AND I MIGHT, UH, GET THERE. SO, UM, SO AT THIS POINT, I, I THINK I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE CORTES AND TONY'S AT, BASED ON ALL THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED TO US PUBLICLY. UH, I STILL HAVE THE OUTSTANDING CONCERNS ABOUT ANGELO'S QUALITY, THE CALL CENTER LOCATION, AND HOW THAT WAS, UH, FACTORED IN. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE TIVE MOTION AND THEN THE ROAD POSSIBLY, UM, TO HOLD IT OVER, UM, FOR A MONTH AND THEN EXTEND THE CONTRACT? 'CAUSE I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, WE'RE CLEAR AND I STILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THERE. AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, UM, NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO THIS, UH, PROCESS, BUT IT, UH, WELL, NO. YES, PART RELATED TO THIS PROCESS IS THE PRICING AND UNDERSTANDING HOW THE PRICING WAS WEIGHTED. UH, MORE SO I TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER, BUT MY OTHER QUESTION WAS THE $200, WE, UH, OUR STAFF MADE A DETERMINATION ABOUT THAT, THAT $200. WE WANT TO KEEP THINGS LOW FOR OUR RESIDENTS. I KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT. AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE'RE THE LOWEST AND WE HAVE A BUDGET DEFICIT, I ALSO KIND OF AM INTERESTED IN SHOULD IT BE 225, SHOULD IT BE 250? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF THIS MONEY THAT COMES TO US. I'M SORRY, MONEY THAT COMES TO US. THIS IS A COST RECOVERY. COST RECOVERY. RECOVERY. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I APPRECIATE. AND JUST A, A QUICK NOTE ON IF, IF THAT, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A MOTION THAT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT MIGHT POSSIBLY BE COMING, POSSIBLY MINE DIED, ALREADY COMES, CORRECT? YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S JUST A NEW MOTION. THANK YOU. . IF, IF, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE, UM, A MOVEMENT TO TAKE THIS PAST OCTOBER 1ST, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER SPECIAL MEETING TO ADOPT THE CON TO EXTEND THE LENGTH OF THE CONTRACTS BEFORE OCTOBER 1ST. WHY COULDN'T WE JUST EXTEND IT? UH, AS PART OF THIS MEETING THOUGH, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF THE SIGNATURES. WE CAN'T JUST EXTEND IT. WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY TALK TO THE COMPANIES ABOUT THOSE EXTENSIONS. UNDERSTOOD. ADDITIONALLY, UM, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING. UM, AND THERE ISN'T ROOM THAT WHERE WE COULD JUST DELEGATE THAT A AUTHORITY, UM, TO THE CITY MANAGER. SO JUST AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING. I, I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE IN THE PAST HERE, UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON RUN PAST THE, UM, UH, THE, THE TIME WHEN EXPIRES WITH MUTUAL AGREEMENT. UM, I KNOW THERE'S SOME LEGAL RISK THERE, UM, POTENTIALLY, BUT I, I KNOW WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST WHERE WE HAVE JUST EXTENDED WHAT, LIKE IF IT BEEN FOR A FEW DAYS, WE DEFINITELY HAVE AND WE CAN, UH MM-HMM. THE, THE ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DO IT IN TIME AND GET IT BEFORE YOU, BECAUSE THE COMPANIES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, WERE OF THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEIR CONTRACT ENDED ON NINE 30 UNLESS THEY WERE THE NEW PROVIDER. RIGHT. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK ABOUT HOW QUICKLY WE CAN GET THE EXTENSIONS DONE. OKAY. WELL, SO I, I JUST WANT NO, THANK YOU FOR THAT CITY ATTORNEY. SO WHERE I'M AT, I, I WANT SOME MORE TIME TO GO OVER THESE ISSUES, BUT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH AT LEAST THE TOP TWO SCORING AT THIS POINT. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT THESE OTHER THREE ISSUES I IDENTIFY WITH ANGELO'S, UM, BEING EARLY DISQUALIFIED, UM, AND THEN QUALITY ON THE CALL CENTER LOCATION CRITERIA, AND THEN ROAD ONE ON THE BUS APPLICATION. UNLESS STAFF CAN ADDRESS THOSE TWO ITEMS RIGHT NOW THAT YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THEIR COMMENTS WERE MADE, BUT STAFF DIDN'T RESPOND. IF THEY HAVE RESPONSES, I IF YOU, IF STAFF HAS RESPONSES AT LEAST ON THOSE LAST TWO QUALITY ON ROAD ONE HANDLE, ONE AT A TIME. YEAH. RIGHT. UM, SO REFERENCE THE SITE INSPECTION WITH ANGELO'S. I SPOKE, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SURPRISE INSPECTION. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. WE DON'T GO THERE AND TALK TO ANYBODY IN SPECIFIC. WE TALKED TO WHOEVER'S THERE AT THE TIME. UH, THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS SPEAKING WAS ALSO THERE WHEN WE DID THE INSPECTION. AND I TALKED WITH ANOTHER EMPLOYEE NAMED JIMMY. IT WAS MADE CLEAR THAT WE NEEDED THOSE FORMS AND THEY WEREN'T WITH THE RFP THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. AND THEY SAID THAT, YEAH, THE INSPECTIONS HAD BEEN DONE, BUT CHP DIDN'T GIVE US THE COPIES YET. THEY SUBMITTED BLANK COPIES WITH THE [02:10:01] RFP, JUST THE TRUCK INFORMATION, BUT NO CHECK MARKS, NO NOTHING. I GAVE THEM UNTIL THE 30TH THROUGH EMAILS WITH THIS EMPLOYEE NAMED JIMMY TO GET THE INFORMATION TO US. ALONG WITH HIM INSURANCE INFORMATION, HE DID ACTUALLY SEND ME AN EMAIL WITH ATTACHED DOCUMENTS. WHEN I LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTS, THEY WERE ACTUALLY CHECKED OFF AND SIGNED BY HIM AND DATED THE DAY OF THE RFP WAS DUE. UM, THOSE FORMS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FILLED OUT BY CHP AND SIGNED BY CHP. THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FILLED OUT BY AN EMPLOYEE. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. WE DID, I DID LATER SEE COPIES OF THAT, THAT THEY BROUGHT IN, I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK, OF THE OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS THAT ARE ALL THE SAME DOCUMENTS THAT HE SIGNED AND TURNED INTO US. EACH TRUCK IS THE SAME EXACT TRUCK, BUT ACTUALLY SIGNED OFF BY CHP. SOME OF THE BOXES WERE DIFFERENT, WERE THAT WERE CHECKED OFF BY CHP, WERE, WERE NOT CHECKED OFF BY CHP. WE WERE CHECKED OFF BY JIMMY, THE EMPLOYEE WHEN HE DID HIS INSPECTION, I GUESS. SO THAT WAS THE ISSUE WITH THE FORMS IS THAT THEY WERE TURNED IN AS BLANK FORMS INITIALLY. AND THEN HE EMAILED ME FOR THE SAME FORM, SIGNED AND CHECKED OFF BY HIM. AND THEN I GOT FINALLY SEE THE ORIGINALS THAT ARE THE SAME TRUCKS THAT WERE DONE AT ACTUAL INSPECTION DONE BACK IN APRIL BY CHP. SO THAT WAS WHERE THE ISSUE CAME IN. UNDERSTOOD. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT OTHER, UH, DETAILS. AND WAS JIMMY, WAS HE THE STAFF CONTACT THAT WAS LISTED ON THE, BECAUSE THE ANGELO SAID THAT HE WASN'T THE RIGHT STAFF CONTACT? UM, I'M NOT SURE WHO THEY HAD LISTED. THEY WANTED CONTACT. OKAY. WE, WE JUST DO SURPRISE INSPECTIONS AND WHOEVER'S AT THE, THE, UH, SITE AT THE TIME IS WHO WE TALKED TO. WELL, IN TERMS OF THE FOLLOW UP, BECAUSE, SO ANGELO'S, UH, MADE SOME CLAIMS THAT THE EMPLOYEE, UH, THAT THEY HAD SEPARATE CH CHECKLISTS. WE, WE HEARD 'EM EARLIER, THEY HAD SEPARATE CHECKLISTS AND THAT THEY WA THEY WASN'T, THEY WEREN'T THE RIGHT, UM, CONTACT. SO THAT'S, THAT WAS JUST, UM, KIND OF CONCERN I HAD THERE. BUT ANY FOLLOW UP TO, TO THAT PART CAN, JUST TO CLARIFY THIS ISSUE, THE REQUIREMENT WAS AT THE TIME OF THE RFP, YOU EITHER HAVE THE SIGNED FORMS OR AN EXPLANATION. THEY DID NEITHER. SO WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAD THE FORMS AT THE TYPE OF, AT THE TIME OF THE SITE INSPECTION IS A LITTLE OF THE RED HERRING, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT EITHER INCLUDE THEM WITH THE RFP OR PROVIDE AN EXPLANATION. THIS, THEY COULD HAVE PROVIDED AN EXPLANATION AS OTHER VENDORS DID OF WHY THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE FORMS AT THE TIME. AND IN FACT, THEY HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED IN THEIR MOST RECENT DOCUMENTATION TO YOU THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE THE FORMS. SO TO AS KIND OF STANDARD RFP PROCESS, YOU DON'T, GENERALLY, YOU DON'T ACCEPT DOCUMENTATION AFTER THE FACT BECAUSE THAT CAN LEAD TO, TO KEEP THE PROCESS OBJECTIVE. IT'S WHAT YOU HAVE AT THE TIME OF THE RFP TO KEEP THE PROCESS FAIR AND OBJECTIVE. BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN GET QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY DID YOU ACCEPT THIS DOCUMENTATION FROM THIS VENDOR AND NOT ANOTHER ONE. CHANGE IT AFTER THE FACT. I MEAN, THE FEAR IS ALWAYS WITH LIKE PRICING THAT SOMEONE CHANGES THEIR PRICING AFTER THE FACT. BUT AS A STANDARD RFP PROCESS, THE DOCUMENTATION YOU SUBMIT AT THE TIME OF THE RFP IS WHAT WE ARE HELD TO. AND THEY WERE THE ONLY VENDOR THAT NEITHER HAD THE FORMS NOR THE EXPLANATION AS ALLOWED. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. AND THEN CAN YOU ALL, 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE OVER TIME. SO QUALITY AND ROAD ONE, IS THERE A, A QUICK EXPLANATION OF, UH, FOR THOSE QUALITY WAS THE CALL CENTER LOCATION, ROAD ONE WAS THE BUS, UH, OR POINTS, AND THEN ROAD ONE WAS THE BUS, BUS STOP, I BELIEVE THE BUS STOP. OKAY. GOING PAST TWO TO GET TO THE FLOOR AS FAR AS QUALITY ALONG WITH, SAME AS WITH ASAP TOWING AS A COMMITTEE, WE WEREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THEY WERE MONITORING THAT. BASICALLY THE SITE WAS UNOCCUPIED ALL NIGHT. THERE WAS NOBODY THERE AND THEY WERE MONITORING IT FROM QUITE A DISTANCE AWAY. THAT'S NOT TRUE. UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS WHAT LEMON GROVE OR EL CAJON FOR QUALITY ONE OF THE TWO. AND IT WAS JUST THE OFFSITE MONITORING THAT AS A COMMITTEE, WE DECIDED THAT WE PREFERRED ON SITE EMPLOYEES THAT COULD BE THERE IF SOMETHING WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. BASICALLY IF SOMEONE TRIED TO GET INTO THE LOT, THERE WAS SOMEONE THERE TO ACTIVELY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. AND THEN ROAD ONE, THE BUS STOP LOCATION. UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I FOUND THE CLOSEST BUS STOP, BUT THERE'S ONE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESS. I DIDN'T SEE IT. I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? I DIDN'T QUITE HEAR. YOU DIDN'T SEE IT? IF THE BUS STOP THAT I DOCUMENTED WAS THE CLOSEST ONE THAT I WAS AWARE OF. OKAY. IF THERE'S ONE CLOSER TO THE BUSINESS. I JUST DIDN'T, I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, OKAY. UM, MAYOR, UH, IN TERMS OF THE MOTION THAT MEMBER YAMANI HAD MADE, UM, IT DIED ALREADY. IT DIED ALREADY, BUT I ACTUALLY AM, UH, COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO PROCESS WISE. DO YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION AGAIN SO I [02:15:01] CAN SECOND IT? I THINK SHE, YOU COULD JUST BRING IT BACK. CAN, UH, THE COUNCIL MEMBER JUST RESTATE THE MOTION AND THEN, UM, MOVE TO ADOPT, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. I SECOND IT. I, AND I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT, UM, DESPITE SOME OF THE, UM, I DUNNO, SOME OF THE ARGUMENT THAT THE PROCESS IS NOT TRANSPARENT ENOUGH OR THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IS, IS, UM, AT SOME, IN SOME WAY FAULTY. I AM CONVINCED TONIGHT WITH THE THREE HOUR DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE MEMBERS OF THAT MADE UP THE COMMITTEE, UM, WITH THE DOCUMENTATION AND THE PAPERWORK THAT WE RECEIVED AS PART OF OUR AGENDA ITEMS. UM, SERGEANT SHANAHAN, I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE AMOUNT OF DETAIL PER YOUR SITE VISITS. UM, THAT WAS HIGHLY INFORMATIVE AND THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT STOOD BEFORE US AND RECEIVED OUR QUESTIONS AND PROVIDED ANSWERS. THAT TO ME, SPEAKS TO THE BEST OF OUR POTENTIAL IN PROVIDING A TRANSPARENT AND HONEST PROCESS. WE ARE TRYING OUR BEST HERE. UM, WE'RE NOT EVER GOING TO SATISFY EVERYBODY, BUT FOR MY SATISFACTION, I DO BELIEVE IN THE QUALITY OF THE WORK THAT WAS DONE BY THE TOE COMMITTEE, AD HOC COMMITTEE, UM, BY THE PEOPLE THAT WERE CHARGED WITH LOOKING AT THE EVALUATION PER THE PARAMETER SET FORTH WITH THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE AT THE TIME. WE HAVE EXAMINED IT HERE. WE HAVE PROVIDED QUESTION AND ANSWERS. UM, SO THAT SATISFIES MY REQUIREMENT FOR, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, UH, RENEW OR NOT RENEWING, BUT, UM, REISSUING OR ISSUING NEW TOW CONTRACTS. AND FOR THAT REASON, I WILL SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF THROUGH THE CHAIR. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, IT'S A NINE MONTH PROCESS AND I KNOW THAT THERE WERE QUESTIONS, UM, THAT WERE ANSWERED TODAY. UM, THERE ARE METRICS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO US, UM, DURING OUR, UM, BRIEFINGS. UM, I THINK I GRILLED THIS VERY, VERY MUCH SO, UM, THROUGH, UM, CAPTAIN A DELO, THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY COUNCIL AND, UH, COUNCIL, UM, RICHARD. SO I, IT MAY NOT BE PERFECT, BUT WE HAVE A, UH, UM, METRICS REPORT THAT WILL COME BACK, UM, YOU KNOW, IN A TIMELY MANNER THAT'S, UM, THAT THEN WE WILL SEE WHEN ALL THIS, UM, THIS REQUIREMENTS OR ALL THIS DELIVERABLES WILL BE THIS TOWING COMPANIES WILL BE DELIVERED. UM, SO THAT IS MY, UM, REASONING WHY I WOULD LIKE TO PUSH THIS, UM, UM, RECOMMENDATION BY STAFF. UM, SO THEN WE CAN, UM, MOVE FORWARD AND, AND, UM, TAKE CARE OF, UM, THE BUSINESS. I, I BELIEVE THE AD HOC HAD DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. UM, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS TOO. UM, SOME OF THEM, UM, WERE SATISFIED. SOME OF THEM, UM, WERE NOT. HOWEVER, UM, THE PROCESSES AND THE METRICS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO ME, BECAUSE I WAS THE ONE WHO REQUESTED FOR THIS TOWING COMPANY TO BE REVISITED. UM, AND SO THE PROCESSES THAT THEY PUT FORTH IS SOMETHING THAT THEY REALLY DILIGENTLY, UM, UM, UM, STUDIED. AND SO THE REPORTS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE MAY BE MISSTEPS JUST LIKE WHAT OUR CITY MANAGER, WE ARE NOT GOING TO, UM, UM, SATISFY EVERYONE, BUT THE DIRECTIONS OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF ON HOW THE DELIVERABLES WILL, WILL BE HANDLED BY THESE TWO, UM, UH, TOWING COMPANIES, UM, WE WILL BE ABLE TO, UM, TO REVISIT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YEAH, THE CONTRACTS IS THREE YEARS, BUT IF THERE ARE DELIVERABLES THAT ARE NOT DELIVERED, THEN WE HAVE THE OPTION TO, UM, REALLY REVISIT IT AND, AND, UM, PUT IT OUT THERE. AGAIN. THANK YOU, RODRIGUEZ. THANK YOU. I WILL ACTUALLY BE VOTING AGAINST THE MOTION BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS, I APPRECIATE ALL THE STAFF WORK. I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A LONG, UH, UH, PROCESS. I KNOW THE COMMITTEE'S BEEN WORKING ALTOGETHER, BUT I DO THINK THAT TRANSPARENCY IS CRITICAL. UM, THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS QUESTIONS REGARDING TOWING CONTRACTS IN NATIONAL CITY, INCLUDING, UH, THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT WORKING WITH ONE OF THE COMPANIES WHILE WORKING FOR THE CITY. IT HAS OPENED UP A, A RANGE OF OTHER ISSUES, INCLUDING A DEPARTMENT OF OF JUSTICE LAWSUIT [02:20:01] LAST YEAR BY ONE OF THE, UM, APPLICANTS, A SUSPENSION WITH THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO. I, I DO THINK THAT MAKING SURE WE HAVE, UH, CLARIFICATION ON THESE ISSUES IS IMPORTANT. AND, AND I THINK WE, IT'S OUR JOB TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTRACT WITH, DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE THESE CONTRACTS TO, UM, TO THE RIGHT OPERATORS. SO IN ADDITION TO VOTING AGAINST IT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE OWNERSHIP SHARES OF THE COMPANY WHO ACTUALLY, UM, OWNS THEM AND, AND HAVE PROOF OF OWNERSHIP. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, EVEN AT, EVEN THAT'S NOT, EVEN IF THAT'S NOT PUBLIC, I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US AS, UM, DECISION MAKERS IN A CITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. AND, UH, AND SO I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST THE MOTION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE TRANSPARENCY ON THE ISSUE. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, I'VE ASKED TO LIFT THAT VEIL TO, UH, CAPTAIN AOT AND, UM, UM, THE OWNERSHIP, BECAUSE THAT WAS A QUESTION I POSED TO COUNCIL AND TO CITY MANAGER AND, UM, THAT WAS, UH, ADDRESSED BY, UH, CAPTAIN . SO, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER VEILS TO BE LIFTED, THEN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, NEEDS TO BE, UM, AS I WAS SAYING, I'M TRYING TO BRING THIS TO A CLOSE. UM, SO I, I KIND OF AM NOW LEANING MORE TOWARDS THE, THE, THE MOTION KEEP GOING BACK AND AND FORTH ON THIS. SO I WOULD JUST ASK COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ, IF YOU'D BE MORE SPECIFIC ON WHAT EXACTLY THE TRANSPARENCY OR THE OWNERSHIP ISSUES, BECAUSE I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE STAFF SOME KIND OF DIRECTION TO, TO LOOK AT ON OWNERSHIP OR WHAT EXACTLY THE CONCERN. AND THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT DID SOMETHING 20 YEARS AGO WITH JC TOWING, WHICH ISN'T, UM, EVEN ONE OF THE APPLICANTS. SO I NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC ON, IS DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS WITH CORTEZ, TONY'S ROAD ONE QUALITY ANGELO'S? I, I, I JUST, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED MORE SPECIFIC WITH THAT. I, I THINK THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT ONE OF THE APPLICANTS WERE IN A DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE LAWSUIT UNTIL A ARTICLE CAME OUT. WHICH ONE? WHICH ONE OF THE APPLICANTS, I, I'M NOT HERE TO NAME INDIVIDUALS, BUT I THINK THAT IS A PROBLEM. I DO, IT WAS IN THE ARTICLE, WRITTEN IN THE VOICE OF SAN DIEGO, UM, NOT LONG AGO. I THINK I SHOULD. THIS IS, SO THIS IS PUBLIC. YOU, YOU SHOULD DISCLOSE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING A TRANSPARENT PUBLIC DISCUSSION. SO IF YOU HAVE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE, UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING, IS YOUR VOTE ON SAYING WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE FACT THAT I WOULD, AND THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO KNOW THAT, YEAH. THE FACT THAT THOSE ITEMS WERE NOT ACTUALLY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, WHILE DECIDING, I THINK IS A FACTOR. AND I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET MORE INFORMATION BEFORE VOTING, BUT I UNDERSTAND IF THE MAJORITY WANTS TO MOVE ON WITH THE CONTRACT. I, I, I RESPECT STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO WORK ON THE ISSUE, AND IT'S BEEN ONGOING, BUT I DO THINK THAT, UM, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TRANSPARENT AND, AND I WANNA KNOW AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE BEFORE PROVIDING THESE CONTRACTS OUT. WHAT INFORMATION DO YOU WANT TO KNOW? OWNERSHIP, OWNERSHIP, OWNERSHIP STAKES WITHIN THE INDIVIDUAL COMPANY, CITY MANAGER OR CITY ATTORNEY? CAN WE, BECAUSE I THINK I HEAR COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ, AND I AGREE WITH THE TRANSPARENCY PART OF IT. I HAVE SOME DIFFERENT CONCERNS. SO, BUT I, I'M ALSO ON THE ISSUE OF OWNERSHIP. THERE WAS AN INQUIRY RELATED TO THAT. UM, THE, THE WORKING GROUP SLASH COMMITTEE, UH, LOOKED INTO THE OWNERSHIP. I THINK, UM, RACHEL CAN PROBABLY ADDRESS SOME OF IT, RICHARD AND CAPTAIN OTT, BECAUSE THEY ALL LOOKED INTO THIS ISSUE IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S IN THE RFP. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WILL ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE INFORMATION RELATED TO THAT. SORRY, I, I'M GONNA DEFER TO MY TWO COLLEAGUES AT THE END THAT DID THE RESEARCH. I CAN, I CAN SHORTCUT IT. OKAY. WE DID NOT FIND ANY OVERLAP IN OWNERSHIP AS IT RELATED TO THE GROUPS THAT WERE, UM, BEFORE US RELATED TO THREE OF THE TOW COMPANIES. UH, THOSE BEING TONY'S, CORTEZ, AND ANGELO'S IS WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT. THANK YOU. COULD YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE SO THEY COULD HEAR? I DIDN'T HEAR IT. SO WE, WE LOOKED AT, THERE WAS AN INQUIRY ABOUT OWNERSHIP THAT WE LOOKED AT THE, WE LOOKED AT AVAILABLE RESOURCES BOTH FROM OUR, THE CITY SIDE BUSINESS LICENSE SIDE, SECRETARY OF STATE, AND FOUND NO OVERLAPPING OWNERSHIP ON ANY OF THOSE ENTITIES. UM, WERE YOU AWARE OF THE, AND NEW, THIS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE SUSPENSION WITH THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, THE INDIVIDUAL COMPANY THAT APPLIED, DID THAT, UH, WAS THAT PART OF THE, WAS WAS THAT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS THE DECISION MOVE FORWARD? I WOULD SAY THAT THE, THE, THE WORKING GROUP KNEW OF THE UNDERLYING ISSUE AND AS PART OF THE BACKGROUND CHECK AND WAS SATISFIED WITH THE FACT THAT THE ISSUE WAS RECTIFIED. AND CITY OF SAN DIEGO CONTINUES TO WORK WITH THEM TO THIS DAY. HOW ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE LAWSUIT LAST YEAR WITH ONE OF THE APPLICANTS? I WOULD SAY THAT THE COMMITTEE DID THE REFERENCE CHECKS FOR ALL OF THEM AND RECEIVED [02:25:01] SATISFACTORY REFERENCE CHECKS FOR ALL THE APPLICANTS. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT SERGEANT SHANAHAN CHECKED WITH ALL THE REFERENCES FOR EACH OF THE DEPARTMENT, CHP, AAA, WHOEVER IT MAY HAVE BEEN, AND RECEIVE SATISFACTORY FEEDBACK FROM ALL THE CURRENT VENDORS. AND, AND THERE ARE, UM, IF YOU WERE TO RUN A LEGAL SEARCH ON ANY OF THESE COMPANIES, YOU WOULD FIND, AND THEY'LL ALL STAY, IF I'M WRONG, UH, DOZENS OF LAWSUITS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WHETHER THEY'RE COMMERCIAL, OTHER RELATED. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT TO LOOK AT UNDERLYING LEGAL ACTION. IS THAT IT? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE A PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS. IF YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AT ONE OF THE, UH, VENDORS TO CONTRACT WITH THE CITY, I DO THINK THAT IS RELEVANT INFORMATION. SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN ABOUT BEING AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE. UM, JUST QUICKLY, SOME OF MY THOUGHTS ON, UM, ACTUALLY, I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, COUNCILMAN RODRIGUEZ, UH, SAID. I MEAN, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WERE, HAVE BEEN BROUGHT OUT, AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS, BUT A NUMBER OF THINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT OUT, BUT DIDN'T GET DISCLOSED TO US BY STAFF. YOU KNOW, WE END UP FINDING THEM OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH NEWS ARTICLES, THINGS ALONG, OTHER THINGS ALONG THAT LINE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THAT THEY HAD ANSWERS, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH TONY'S, UH, YOU KNOW, YOURS, UH, YOU DROPPED OUT OF A CONTRACT WITH CITY OF SAN DIEGO MIDWAY THROUGH A CONTRACT, BUT THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A REASON FOR IT, BUT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE REPORT, I'M SORRY. UH, THE SAME WAY WITH, UH, UH, WITH CORTEZ, WITH THEM, UH, BASICALLY BEING SUSPENDED, UH, BY THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO FOR, WAS IT, UH, WELL, THE DEAL WAS RUNNING FOR OVER A YEAR, BUT THE ACTUAL SUSPENSION WAS ABOUT FIVE MONTHS. UH, AND THAT'S JUST RECENT. THAT'S WITHIN THIS YEAR. UM, THAT KIND OF STUFF SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. THE, UH, THE, THE FEDERAL ACTION AS FAR AS DEALING WITH THE, UH, OH, UH, DEPLOYED SERVICEMEN AND THEIR VEHICLE BEING, BEING SOLD, THAT KIND OF STUFF SHOULD HAVE BEEN, SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCLOSED. AND THERE MAY BE TO, THERE MAY BE GOOD ANSWERS FOR ALL OF THAT, BUT THAT STUFF SHOULD BE DISCLOSED AND IT WASN'T. AND SO IT KIND OF, IT KIND OF DRIVES US TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER THINGS DO WE NOT FIND OUT ABOUT OR DIDN'T GET DISCLOSED? UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT, THAT BOTHERS ME. AND IT, THE, UH, THE OTHER THING IS, IT'S, IT'S UNUSUAL WHEN YOU, YOU HAVE, LIKE, IN OUR CASE, TWO, I MEAN, DIFFERENT CITIES HAVE DIFFERENT NUMBERS OF, OF, UH, UH, TOW COMPANIES. SOME OF 'EM ONLY HAVE ONE AND SOME OF 'EM HAVE A DOZEN OR MORE. UM, BUT, UH, BUT WHEN WE'VE WENT THROUGH A PERIOD FOR, WAS IT BEEN 12 YEARS, ABOUT 12 YEARS ON THIS CON THESE CONTRACTS AND BASICALLY NO COMPLAINTS AT ALL. AND, UH, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT YOU DROP. UM, AND IN THIS CASE, WE'RE TAKING ON VERY TWO SMALL COMPANIES, UM, THAT WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN HANDLE, UH, THE TYPE OF SERVICE AND HAVE IT, NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE SOME EQUIPMENT, BUT ENOUGH EQUIPMENT OF THE LARGER SCALE IN PARTICULAR TO DEAL WITH THE, IT WAS MENTIONED A WHILE AGO ABOUT THE TRUCKS, THINGS ALONG THAT LINE, THE LARGE TRUCKS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN NASHVILLE CITY. A LOT OF 'EM, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UH, BEYOND THERE, OF COURSE, THE OTHER PART THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, HAD TO BE ABOUT MY, UH, ASSISTANT AND HER EMPLOYMENT THAT WAS ALLOWED BY THE CITY 19 YEARS AGO. UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE CONTINUING SLANDER CAMPAIGN. BUT, UM, THE, UH, UM, SO, BUT ANYWAY, THOSE ARE, YOU CAN BE QUIET IN THE AUDIENCE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH YOUR TIME. YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OWN MEETING, BUT THIS IS NOT YOUR MEETING. THANK YOU. OR YOU CAN BE REMOVED NOW. UM, SO ANYWAYS, BUT I'VE, I'VE GOT SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE SAME CONCERNS AND, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, ALSO THE ONE WITH, UH, WITH ANGELOS, IF THEY HAD, IF THEY HAD THOSE SIGNED ONES BY THE CHP FOR, I THINK YOU SAID APRIL AND MAY, UH, AND YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOT THROUGH THE CONTACT PERSON. AND SO SOMEONE WHO WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, PASSING THE PAPERWORK, PASSED THE PAPERWORK, WHICH GOOD PART OF THAT'S GOTTA BE ON ANGELO'S FOR FOR THEIR EMPLOYEE DOING THAT. BUT, UH, BUT STILL, THEY WERE NOT THE PERSON TO BE CONTACTED. SO, I MEAN, THERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF, LOT OF QUESTIONS HERE, THERE ALWAYS ARE GONNA BE WITH THESE TYPE OF CONTRACTS. UM, BUT UM, I HAVE TO SEE WHERE IT GOES. SO, OKAY. JUST HEARING EVERYONE MOVING THIS FORWARD, I, I ACTUALLY, UM, ALTHOUGH I'M COMFORTABLE MOVING THIS FORWARD, I'M ACTUALLY, AND I APPRECIATE STAFF, THANK YOU ALL FOR ANSWERING OUR [02:30:01] QUESTIONS, AND I THINK A GREAT JOB ON THAT AND BEING TRANSPARENT AND OPEN. SO IN LIGHT OF, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ'S, UH, CONCERN ABOUT THIS DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE LAWSUIT AND, UH, OWNERSHIP I THINK IS COVERED. MAYOR MORRISON BROUGHT UP EQUIPMENT. UM, SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WE EXTEND THE CONTRACT, UH, THE EXISTING CONTRACTS FOR A MONTH AND THEN WE BRING THIS BACK. UM, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, I AM, IN TERMS OF, SO FAR, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING TO CHANGE THE STAFF SCORING A RECOMMENDATION ON TONY'S OR CORTEZ. SO I, UM, BUT JUST TO BE, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERING SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH THE TRANSPARENCY THAT, UH, THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ BROUGHT UP. I'LL DO A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO EXTEND THE EXISTING CONTRACTS A MONTH AND, UH, HAVE STAFF COME BACK TO US TO CLARIFY THOSE ISSUES. AGAIN, THE ISSUES ARE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE LAWSUIT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ REALLY NEEDS TO DETAIL ON STAFF ON WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE AND WHAT THAT IS. THE, UM, THE EQUIPMENT, UH, ISSUE, WHICH IT WAS PART OF THE TECHNICAL SCORING CRITERIA THAT MAYOR MORRISON BROUGHT UP. UM, AND THEN AN, AND THEN THE CLARIFICATION ON ANGELA'S, WHICH I ACTUALLY THINK STAFF ADDRESS THAT. AND I, I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT. SO I THINK JUST, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THESE OTHER ISSUES, I'D JUST LIKE THAT CLEARED UP. BUT SO FAR, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, I'M SATISFIED WITH WHAT STAFF SAID. SO THAT'S MY MOTION. JUST CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION BEFORE WE ASK FOR A SECOND. YOU SAID A MONTH. UM, THERE, OUR NEXT MEETING A MONTH FROM NOW IS ACTUALLY ON THE 20TH, WHICH WILL BE LESS THAN A MONTH. AND AFTER THAT WILL NOT BE UNTIL NOVEMBER 17TH. THE 17TH, NOVEMBER 17TH, THE STAFFER, CITY MANAGER. OKAY. DOES STAFFER, CITY MANAGER HAVE THOUGHT, THOUGHTS? UH, CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY? I'M, I'M OPEN. I'M, UM, ON WHEN, WHEN IT CAN COME BACK WITH SOME, WITH SOME MORE DETAILED, SO FINAL RESPONSE TO THAT AND I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD. SO I, I THINK, UM, I WOULD ASK THAT QUESTION OF THE GROUP BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT MORE, BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, WHAT MORE INFORMATION THEY'RE GONNA GET OR COME BACK WITH. I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN THREE WEEKS. I AM GONNA DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REGARDING ANY TYPE A LOSS, , LAW, LAW, YOU KNOW WHAT? ANY TYPE OF LITIGATION, UH, GREAT RESEARCH, THAT'S NOT REALLY MY, OKAY. SO I WOULD DEFER TO THEM AS IT RELATES TO, I THINK IT'S GOOD. UH, OCTOBER 20TH WILL BE FINE, WHATEVER THE, THAT SECOND MEETING IS. OKAY. SO I THINK, BUT I WANT TO BE SPECIFIC TO THOSE ISSUES, SO I'M NOT INTERESTED IN BRINGING UP ANY NEW ISSUES AT THAT POINT. OKAY. SO THESE ARE THE ISSUES 'CAUSE I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. SO I THINK I'M SATISFIED WITH THE INFORMATION SO FAR. I THINK THERE'S JUST THESE CLARIFICATIONS OTHER THAN THE DOJ DO WE HAVE THE GLOBAL LISTS ON THE RECORD SO THAT EVERYBODY'S OPERATING FROM THE SAME ITEMS. AND OWNERSHIP, I I OWNERSHIP, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THAT'S ADDRESSED. BUT IF YOU GUYS ARE GONNA LOOK AT IT, ANY NEW INFORMATION, OWNERSHIP, OWNERSHIP, DOJ, THE EQUIPMENT. SO THAT WAS A TECHNICAL ASPECT OF THE SCORING CRITERIA ON THE EQUIPMENT. AND THEN I ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRICING, WHICH I'M KIND OF SATISFIED BY, BUT, AND ANGELA'S WAS THE, WHAT'S THAT? ANGELA'S, THE CHP FORMS. THE CHP FORMS. SO AT THIS POINT, I'M SATISFIED WITH STAFF RESPONSE, BUT IF THERE'S ANY INFO, UM, ANY OTHER INFO OR ANYTHING THAT THE APPLICANT HAD PROOF, DOCUMENTED PROOF FOR EVIDENCE THAT THAT WASN'T THE CASE. AGAIN, NOT THAT I THINK YOU GUYS SO FAR DID EVERYTHING RIGHT FROM THE SOUNDS OF IT, BUT I WANT TO AT LEAST GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY OKAY. TO LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. SO YOUR MOTION IS TO, TO BRING THIS BACK EXTENSION 20TH TO EXTEND THE CONTRACT FOR A MONTH TO THE EXISTING CONTRACT FOR A MONTH TO COVER THAT WE, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, A SPECIAL MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND THE FIRST OKAY. TO EXTEND IT TO THE, UH, UNLESS THE EXISTING APPLICANTS MUTUALLY AGREE. SO I'M CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT. YEAH. OKAY. I'M SORRY. THERE WAS ONE QUESTION YOU ASK. SORRY, PLEASE GO AHEAD. THE, THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO EXTEND THE CONTRACT CORRECT TEMPORARILY, WOULD WE HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING OR HE'S SAYING IF THE TWO, IF THE TWO PARTIES AGREE, COULD IT BE DONE WITHOUT, WITH US JUST VOTING TONIGHT? THAT'S THE QUESTION. EVEN IF THEY VOTED TO TAKE THAT ACTION, YOU'RE THE ONLY BODY AUTHORIZED TO MOVE THAT CONTRACT AND AMEND IT BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF IT. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US, EVEN IF THEY SAID, HEY, GREAT, WE'LL DO IT. IT'S STILL LEGALLY, TO MAKE IT LEGALLY SUFFICIENT, YOU ALL NEED TO VOTE ON IT. UNLESS, WHAT AM I CALL, WHAT AM I CALLING? SO IT WOULD'VE TO BE A SPECIAL MEETING THAT ONE ITEM ONLY AND IT JUST TO EXTEND IT FOR WHATEVER. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. WHAT ARE 30 DAYS OR WHATEVER, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. WHAT ARE MY COLLEAGUES SAYING? IT SHOULD BE A 10 MINUTE MEETING IF YEAH. TYPE OF THING. WE SAY THAT. I'M JUST SAYING IF THAT ONLY ITEM YOU'RE DEALING WITH JUST EXTENSION. BUT ANYWAY, IS THERE [02:35:01] A SECOND? LET ME JUST SAY, IS THERE A SECOND? OH, SURE. SO GIVEN THAT, I THINK WE HAVE A, A REQUEST TO, TO HAVE IT A LITTLE BIT LATER THEN OCTOBER 20TH AND MOVE THE SECOND TOE MEETING TO NOVEMBER 17TH. I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT COURT. WE WOULD EXTEND THE CONTRACT LONG ENOUGH TO COVER UNTIL THE 17TH, UNTIL DECEMBER 1ST OR SOMETHING IS MADE. YES. YEAH, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. BUT THERE'S NO SECOND TO THE MO TO THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION THOUGH, RIGHT? THAT'S ACCURATE. RIGHT NOW THESE ARE THE TIMING. I DON'T WANNA, I'LL SECOND THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION. OKAY, SO THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. HOLD ON. CITY MANAGER, HOLD ON. OKAY. BUT I'M JUST WANTING TO RENAME IT AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE THE COMMENT TO IT. AND THIS IS TO EXTEND, UH, THIS IS TO BRING THIS, HAVE IT BROUGHT BACK WITH, UH, WHATEVER ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE NOVEMBER 17TH, UH, WAS THAT NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING? YEAH, NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING. UM, AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND THE FIRST JUST TO EXTEND THE CONTRACT AND UH, DO AN EXTENSION. WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AGREEMENT IF WE CAN GET IT DONE, THE TWO COMPANIES TO EXTEND IT AT THE, UH, CURRENT RATES. UM, AND THE CITY CLERK WOULD BE TASKED WITH, WHICH IS ALWAYS A DIFFICULT TASK, IS ALIGNING OUR SCHEDULE SO WE CAN HAVE THIS SPECIAL MEETING. YOU'VE GOT SEVEN DAYS TO CHOOSE FROM. YEAH. ALRIGHT. NOW, CITY MANAGER. THAT, THAT WAS MY POINT. YEAH. IF, IF WE CANNOT GET A QUORUM TO TAKE ACTION ON EXTENDING THE CONTRACTS, WE ARE GOING TO BE WITHOUT TOWING CONTRACTS AND THAT CAN'T HAPPEN. RIGHT? SO, YEAH. SO IF, IF THIS WAS TO PASS PEOPLE, WE GOTTA BE FLEXIBLE. REALIZE IT SHOULD NOT BE A LONG MEETING AT ALL. AND, UH, THERE'S NO REASON IF YOU'RE, ALL YOU'RE DOING IS JUST EXTENDING THE CON THE EXISTING CONTRACT, NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS ON THE TOWING CONTRACT OR ANYTHING. UM, BUT YOU GOTTA, EVERYONE'S GONNA BE FLEXIBLE WITH THEIR SCHEDULE TO, TO ALLOW SOME TIME. AND IT CAN BE ANYTIME DURING THE, THE, THE WORK DAY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AT NIGHT OR ANYTHING ELSE. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION. IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE TO ME A LOT OF ADDITIONAL WORK THAT UH, WE'RE GONNA END UP HAVING ARRIVING AT THE SAME DECISION. I AM SATISFIED WITH ALL OF THE WORK DONE UP TO DATE AND I AM PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY. SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION. OKAY, SO WE DO THROUGH THE CHAIR? YES. JUST A QUESTION. SO I'M ASKING WHY CAN'T WE EXTEND IT NOW? COUNSEL, CAN YOU GIMME THAT ANSWER PLEASE? SO THE CONTRACTS, THE CONTRACTS THAT WE, WE HAVE CURRENTLY, I HAVEN'T EVEN UM, LOOKED AT THEM TO DETERMINE WHAT THE, THE CLAUSES ARE. BUT IF IT'S A TYPICAL CONTRACT THAT WE WOULD HAVE EVEN WITH, UM, A DECISION TO MUTUALLY EXTEND IT, UM, IT, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE IN TIME. WE EVEN, SO FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE COMPANIES IS HERE MM-HMM . THAT WE WOULD BE EXTENDING A CONTRACT WITH, WE STILL HAVE TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND GO THROUGH IT. AND EVEN IF WE GOT A VERBAL, WE'D HAVE TO GET AN OKAY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, OUR POLICIES, COUNCIL POLICIES AND ORDINANCES REQUIRE THAT CONTRACTS OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT ARE NOT DONE BY THE CITY MANAGER. THERE'S A CERTAIN LEVEL, BUT THIS IS A CONTRACT WHOSE VALUE REQUIRES YOU TO AUTHORIZE IT. YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT IS WHY WE COULDN'T TONIGHT UNDERSTOOD. SIMPLY SAY THAT NOW WE COULD TRY TO, I MEAN WE'D HAVE TO BRING YOU THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT. I DON'T WANT YOU APPROVING THE CONTRACT THAT THE TERM, IF THE TERMS ARE GONNA STAY THE SAME. GREAT. THE SECOND YOU GO TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT, YOU TRY TO KEEP THE TERMS SAME, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE. OKAY. SO UNFORTUNATELY WE, WE WILL HAVE THE EXISTING CONTRACT TOWARDS ARE LISTENING TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. CORRECT? AT LEAST, AT LEAST ONE OF THEM IS HERE. UM, HERE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER ONE. OKAY. UM, BUT ONE IS HERE, SO, SO COUNSEL MAY TO THE CHAIR DUE TO THOSE QUESTIONS, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT THE, UH, THE UH, SUB SUBSTITUTE MOTION. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. I WAS JUST CHECKING IT. OKAY. SO, UM, FOR, FOR ONE THING, IF YOU COULD PUT, UM, HITCH YOUR DEALS AS FAR AS FOR THE MOTIONS AND THIS IS FOR THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION. WELL, BOY, MY DEAL'S ALL MIXED UP 'CAUSE IT'S OKAY. YOU GOT BUSH UP THERE, I GOT THAT'S CORRECT. GOT A DIFFERENT NAME ON HERE. OH, OKAY. SO, OKAY, SO WE HAVE THE MOTION AND THE SECOND UP THERE. THIS IS TO, UH, TO BRING THIS BACK ON THE 17TH OF NOVEMBER AND UM, AND AS A, BUT THAT IS GONNA REQUIRE A SPECIAL MEETING WITHIN, UH, BETWEEN NOW AND THE, THE END OF THIS MONTH. UNDERSTOOD. AND, UH, JUST FOR EXTENSION ONLY. OKAY. SO, UH, WITH THAT, UM, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 4 0 1 WITH, UH, VICE MAYOR MOLINA VOTING [02:40:01] NO. ALRIGHT. THAT IS ALL OF OUR BUSINESS FOUR TONIGHT. WITH THAT, UH, WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.