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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.BEFORE, UH, WE PROCEED, I, I REQUEST THE INTERPRETER TAKE A MOMENT TO EXPLAIN THE CITY'S INTERPRETATION SERVICES THAT WILL BE OFFERED FOR THIS EVENING CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THIS WILL BE AN ANNOUNCEMENT FOR OUR SPANISH SPEAKING PARTICIPANTS.
AND WE HAVE A, UH, LIVE WEBCAST.
THE MEETING MAY BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
IF YOU'RE WATCHING VIA ZOOM, VIEWING THE SPANISH VERSION OF THE MEETING, INTERPRETER INSTRUCTIONS WILL APPEAR IN THE CHAT BOX AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN.
FOR THOSE WHO PREFER TO SIT IN THE CHAMBER, HEADSETS ARE AVAILABLE.
UH, TO PROVIDE SPANISH LIVE SPANISH TRANSLATION, PLEASE SEE THE CITY CLERK'S DESK TO CHECK, CHECK OUT A SET.
THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY'S WEBSITE INFORMS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS, EITHER IN PERSON WITH ONE OF THESE SALMON COLOR SLIPS, AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE AT THE BACK OF THE CHAMBER, RIGHT OUTSIDE THE DOOR VIA ZOOM BY PRE-REGISTERING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, NO LATER THAN TWO HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING OR EMAILING NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING.
AND ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IF THEY'RE RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE.
WITH THAT, CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? THANK YOU.
AND WE'LL MARK, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH ABSENT.
RIGHT? UH, HE IS CALLED WITH AN EMERGENCY AND HAS AN, UH, EXCUSE ABSENCE FOR THE EVENING.
WITH THAT, IF WE COULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLE ALLEGIANCE.
AND THEN PLEASE REMAIN STANDING.
UH, MEMBER RODRIGUEZ, WOULD YOU LEAD US? PLEASE, PLEASE PLACE YOUR RIGHT HAND OVER YOUR HEART.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
WE, UH, TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND IN MEMORY AND IN HONOR OF THOSE, UH, VICTIMS AND THOSE THAT WERE AFFECTED BY YESTERDAY'S SHOOTING OVER SAN DIEGO.
[5. PUBLIC COMMENT]
NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA.AND DO WE HAVE, UH, ANY ON ZOOM ALSO? YES.
HOW MANY HAVE ZOOM? WE DO, WE HAVE FOUR.
WE'LL DO TWO MINUTES EACH, EVERYONE, AND, UH, THEN WE WILL, UH, WE WILL TAKE THE IN AUDIENCE ONES FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL PICK UP THE ZOOM.
UM, WITH THAT, UH, FIRST WE HAVE, UH, IRMA HERNANDEZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, DANIEL CARDENA, FOLLOWED BY ARLEY RODRIGUEZ.
COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH, MEMBER RODRIGUEZ.
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UM, HIGH SCHOOL.HERNANDEZ RESIDENT, NATIONAL CITY COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKER, AND WE ARE HERE SPECIFICALLY TO THANK, COULD YOU START OVER AGAIN? CARLOS? VOLUME IS VOLUME JUST ABOUT OFF.
UH, GIVE ME TWO SECONDS SO I CAN FIX THAT UP.
I AM A COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKER, AND WE ARE HERE SPECIFICALLY TO SEND TO THANK, EXCUSE ME, CITY COUNCIL FOR HELPING PASS THE TOBACCO CONTROL ORDINANCE.
AND I WANT TO PARTICULARLY THANK COUNCIL MEMBERS, YAMANI, COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH AND COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ, UH, FOR ALL THEIR HELP IN DISREGARD, THANKS TO THEIR WORK AND THIS ORDINANCE BEING PASSED.
UH, THE AMERICAN LUNG ASSOCIATION HAS CHANGED ITS RATING ON THE MATTER FOR NATIONAL CITY FROM AN F TO AN A RATING.
SO THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR SUPPORTING THIS AND PROTECTING OUR YOUTH FROM THIS HUGE HARM, UH, WHICH IS E-CIGARETTES.
THIS IS AN ISSUE WE'RE HAVING, PARTICULARLY AT OUR SCHOOLS, SUCH AS OUR JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOLS AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS, AND HIGH SCHOOL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN, DANIEL.
IS IT A, I'M, I'M NOT ON THAT FIRST NAME.
SO, RODRIGUEZ, COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH, CAN WE HAVE TRANSLATION PLEASE? HI, GOOD AFTERNOON.
I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY.
I AM A STUDENT AT NATIONAL CITY MIDDLE.
I AM THE SECRETARY OF THE T CLUB, AND I'M HERE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR PASSING THE TOBACCO LICENSING RESTRICTION LAWS AND PROTECTING OUR YOUTH FROM TOBACCO SMOKE.
SPECIAL THANKS TO COUNCIL MEMBERS GITA, ANI RODRIGUEZ, AND BUSH.
THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THIS LAW AND HAVE A GREAT DAY.
OKAY, MS. DANIEL IN THE AUDIENCE.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT YESTERDAY'S, UH, BUDGET WORKSHOP.
UH, ONE THING WAS MADE CLEAR THIS COUNCIL HAS NOT, UM, HAS BACKED THE CITY INTO A FISCAL CORNER.
THE DEFICIT DID NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT AS A RESULT OF APPROVING SPENDING RAISES AND NEW INITIATIVES WITHOUT A SUSTAINABLE LONG-TERM PLAN.
NOW, THE RESPONSES APPEAR TO BE EXACTLY WHAT MANY WORRIED ABOUT, WORRIED, WORRIED ABOUT DRAIN ALL THE UNASSIGNED RESERVES WHILE FREEZING CRITICAL POSITIONS LIKE POLICE DISPATCHERS AND, UH, PARK WORKERS.
IT LEAVES THE COUNTY MORE EXPOSED AND MAKES DEEPER CUTS MORE LIKELY LATER.
JUST AS TROUBLING, THERE IS NO SERIOUS DISCUSSION OF COUNCIL'S $400,000 ANNUAL DISTRICT LINE ITEM BUDGET, EVEN IF IT HAD IT UP TO 1.2 OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.
THIS IS NOT FISCAL LEADERSHIP.
THAT'S, THIS IS A WASTE OF ACCOUNTABILITY.
YOU KNOW, THE DEFICIT IS NOT TOIF IN.
THE DEEPER PROBLEM IS THE GOVERNANCE AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND DIS IS THE FISCAL DISCIPLINE OF NOT SPENDING MORE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE.
IT IS A DEEP CONCERN THAT MAJOR, UH, BUDGET DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE WITHOUT THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 AUDIT REPORT.
I HOPE YOU GUYS KEEP ON PRESSING FOR THAT.
I SUSPECT YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS AND WHETHER WE'RE
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ON ACTUAL OR UP BUDGET AND WHERE WE STAND WITH THE MANAGEMENT LETTER.I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT, WHERE WE STAND WITH THIS.
I HOPE YOU GUYS ASK FOR IT REALLY CLEARLY.
NOW, YESTERDAY'S MEETING
IT SHOWED A COUNCIL STRUGGLE TO DEFINE THE PROBLEMS, UNWILLING TO LISTEN TO STAFF.
THEY WERE ARGUING WITH YOU AND YOU GUYS WEREN'T LISTENING.
YOU GOT ROCKS IN YOUR EARS, THE WASTING STAFF TIME BY NOT ASKING FOR ANALYSIS AND GUIDANCE.
AND IT APPEARS UNWILLING TO SERIOUS CONSIDER.
NOW, YOU HAD A LOT OF TIME TO WORK ON THIS, AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST MINUTE, AND YOU PERFECTLY KNOW.
WELL, STAFF CAN'T DO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE INFORMATION YOU'RE ASKING FOR AT, WITH THIS TIME.
NOW, I WANNA POINT OUT SOMETHING ABOUT THE CONDESCENDING, UH, UH, COMMENT.
THIS IS, UH, COUNSEL NOT REACTING.
THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY NEED TO SHOW THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT, DISCIPLINE, JUDGMENT AND LEADERSHIP AND NOT BE CRITICIZING FOR THOSE.
THANK VERY MUCH THE PUBLIC, UH, DEFICITS.
COULD WE HAVE THE, UH, THE MEMBERS ON ZOOM? THANK YOU MADISON RAP.
HI, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS.
TONIGHT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND ALSO, UM, THE ISSUES WITH DRIVING THAT COMES WITH MARIJUANA IMPAIRMENT.
THERE HAPPENS TO BE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE USING MARIJUANA PRODUCTS, AND YET THERE'S NO SAFE WAY TO TEST AND SEE HOW IMPAIRED PEOPLE ARE WHEN THEY'RE USING MARIJUANA.
BUT A NEW BIPARTISAN TRANSPORTATION BILL IN CONGRESS WOULD REQUIRE FEDERAL AGENCIES TO DEVELOP EVIDENCE-BASED IMPAIRMENT STANDARDS FOR MARIJUANA AND OTHER DRUGS, WHILE ALSO INVESTING MORE THAN $100 MILLION INTO BETTER CRASH DATA COLLECTION, TOXICOLOGY TESTING, AND IMPAIRED DRIVING PREVENTION RESEARCH THAT SHOULD TELL US SOMETHING IMPORTANT, EVEN AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
LEADERS FROM BOTH PARTIES RECOGNIZE THAT MARIJUANA IMPAIRMENT ON OUR ROADS IS A SERIOUS AND UNRESOLVED ISSUE.
UNLIKE ALCOHOL, THERE'S NO UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED STANDARD FOR MARIJUANA IMPAIRMENT.
YET OUR COMMUNITY CONTINUES EXPANDING ACCESS, NORMALIZATION, AND VISIBILITY OF HIGH POTENCY MARIJUANA PRODUCTS.
MEANWHILE, FAMILIES SHARE THE ROADS EVERY DAY WITH DRIVERS WHO MAY BE IMPAIRED BY MARIJUANA OR MULTIPLE SUBSTANCES COMBINED.
FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION OFFICIALS RECENTLY STATED THAT MARIJUANA USE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH SAFETY SENSITIVE FUNCTIONS.
AIRLINE PILOTS, TRUCK DRIVERS, AND OTHER TRANSPORTATION WORKERS ARE STILL PROHIBITED FROM USING IT BECAUSE THE RISKS ARE REAL.
AS OUR CITY DISCUSSES PUBLIC HEALTH, TRANSPORTATION SAFETY, AND YOUTH WELLBEING, I URGE YOU TO TAKE THESE WARNINGS SERIOUSLY.
WE SHOULD NOT MOVE FASTER ON MARIJUANA NORMALIZATION THAN THE SCIENCE AND SAFETY STANDARDS CAN KEEP UP WITH.
PLEASE PRIORITIZE POLICIES THAT PROTECT PUBLIC SAFETY, SUPPORT PREVENTION, EDUCATION, AND RECOGNIZE THE VERY REAL CONSEQUENCES IMPAIRED DRIVING CAN HAVE ON FAMILIES.
THANK YOU, JUDY STR, GOOD EVENING.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU, THE NATIONAL CITY CITY COUNCIL.
I THINK I'VE MENTIONED ONCE BEFORE THAT NATIONAL CITY IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR, OUR FAMILY'S LIFE.
SINCE MY HUSBAND GREW UP IN NATIONAL CITY, AN OFFICE OFTEN TELLS US STORIES ABOUT HIS SCHOOL DAYS THERE.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF FONDNESS FOR YOUR CITY.
I CAME 'CAUSE I WORK WITH CHILDREN IN AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS, AND OUR SCHOOL YEAR IS WINDING DOWN.
AND I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME INFORMATION THAT WE GOT FROM THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH.
IT REMINDS US, AND WE HEARD ABOUT IT ALSO OF COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS A FEW MONTHS AGO, THAT SUICIDE IS A LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH AMONG ADOLESCENTS AND YOUNG ADULTS AGE 15 THROUGH 24.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLEX REASONS BEHIND THIS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE.
HOWEVER, FROM A PUBLIC HEALTH PERSPECTIVE, A PARENT PERSPECTIVE, AND SOMEONE WHO WORKS WITH YOU, THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REMIND OURSELF ABOUT TODAY'S HIGH POTENCY, THC MARIJUANA PRODUCTS THAT ARE SOLD AT POT SHOPS.
I HOPE THAT WE CAN ALL REMIND OURSELVES AS TRUSTED ADULTS ABOUT THESE HARMFUL EFFECTS AND BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT LETTING THE INCREASE OF MARIJUANA STOREFRONTS OCCUR HERE IN OUR CITY AND TO CARE A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THE SIGNAGE AND PROMOTIONS, AND PARTICULARLY THE BILLBOARDS THAT WE SEE AROUND OUR CITY.
AND PERHAPS A GOOD START FOR US MIGHT BE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE BILLBOARDS, WHETHER THEY'RE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS OR OUT ON OUR ROADS, AND SEE IF WE COULDN'T BAN THEM FROM THEIR INFLUENCE THAT THEY HAVE ON OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THIS PREVENTION STRATEGY.
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EVENING.MY NAME IS BECKY RAPP AND I WANNA RAISE CONCERNS REGARDING CALIFORNIA ASSEMBLY BILL 2 6 9 7, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ADVANCING THROUGH THIS ST.
STATE ASSEMBLY AND WOULD ALLOW MARIJUANA STOREFRONTS TO OPERATE DRIVE THROUGH SALES.
IF THIS BILL BECOMES LAW, WE'D SEE AN INCREASE IN NORMALIZATION AND COMMERCIALIZATION OF MARIJUANA USE, INCREASED CONVENIENCE LEADING TO HIGHER CONSUMPTION, PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS LEADING TO IMPAIRED DRIVING.
AND IF THAT'S NOT ENOUGH, ONE MAJOR CONCERN IS THAT THE BILL CONTAINS NO SAFEGUARDS REGARDING CHILDREN BEING PRESENT IN VEHICLES DURING MARIJUANA PURCHASES.
AN ADULT COULD POTENTIALLY DRIVE THROUGH A POT SHOP WITH CHILDREN SITTING IN THE BACKSEAT WHILE PURCHASING HIGH POTENCY THC PRODUCTS.
WE CONTINUE HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERTS ABOUT INCREASING YOUTH MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGES RISING THC POTENCY, ACCIDENTAL INGESTION AND NORMALIZATION OF DRUG USE AMONG CHILDREN AND TEENS.
YET SACRAMENTO IS MOVING FORWARD WITH POLICIES THAT FURTHER COMMERCIALIZE AND NORMALIZE MARIJUANA CONSUMPTION.
DRIVE THROUGH MARIJUANA SALES.
SEND THE MESSAGE THAT MARIJUANA SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE A FAST FOOD OR COFFEE SEEMS CONTRADICTORY WHILE THE STATE AND LOCAL JURISDICTIONS CONTINUE INVESTING MILLIONS INTO PREVENTION, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, HOMELESSNESS RESPONSE, AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO I URGE THIS COUNCIL TO FORM FORMALLY COMMUNICATE WITH THE STATE ASSEMBLY MEMBERS AND ASK THEM TO OPPOSE AB 2 6 9 7.
AS A YOUTH MEM MENTOR, I TOO AM HERE TO CONGRATULATE AND THANK YOU FOR THE NEW CITY TRL LAW.
BECAUSE THE TRL ORDINANCE IS AIMED AT REDUCING YOUNG PEOPLE'S ACCESS TO TOBACCO PRODUCTS.
THOSE OF US WHO WORK IN YOUTH TOBACCO USE PREVENTION URGE A FOCUS ON ENFORCEMENT.
ONGOING CITY UNDERCOVER COMPLIANCE CHECKS ARE SO IMPORTANT TO ENSURE VAPES FLAVORED AND OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS ARE NOT SOLD TO UNDERAGE CUSTOMERS.
I WANNA SAY VAPES ARE A TIMELY TOPIC IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THE FDA AND A HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL MOVE THAT CONCERNS HEALTH GROUPS AND PARENTS JUST APPROVED TWO FRUIT FLAVORED NICOTINE VAPES FOR ADULT USERS ONLY.
IT'S A MOVE THE FDA CALLED NEITHER AN APPROVAL NOR ENDORSEMENT WHILE EMPHASIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF QUALIFYING THE AGE OF PURCHASERS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE FDA'S ACTION DOES NOT MEAN FLAVORED TOBACCO PRODUCTS CAN BE SOLD IN NATIONAL CITY.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE THEY REMAIN BANNED BY THE STATE, THE FDA'S AUTHORIZATION OF A SPECIFIC PRODUCT DOES NOT OVERRIDE STATE OR LOCAL PROHIBITIONS.
SO STATES LIKE CALIFORNIA AND CITIES LIKE OURS CAN CONTINUE TO BAR THE SALE OF FLAVORED E-CIGARETTES AND VAPES.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR VIGILANCE IN KEEPING OUR KIDS TOBACCO FREE.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR ZOOM COMMENTS.
WE HAVE ONE MORE, UH, PUBLIC SPEAKER AND THAT'S, UH, MANUEL ANDRATI.
UH, JUST TO, UH, REITERATE, UH, THE SUPPORT FOR THE TOBACCO RE LICENSE PROGRAM.
YOU HEARD, UH, THE SPEAKERS, YOU HEARD THE STUDENTS, UH, ON BEHALF OF, OF THE TUPE PROGRAM.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, APPRECIATE, UM, AND RECOGNIZE, UH, OR CHAMPION LEADERS FOR THE ORDINANCE.
UH, SO I'LL BE MR. JOSE RODRIGUEZ.
AND
UM, UH, ENFORCEMENT, UH, HAS BEEN ALWAYS BEEN AN, AN ISSUE IN EVERY SINGLE CITY WITH EVERY TOBACCO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF TOBACCO RETAILERS, UH, THEY BASICALLY DISTRIBUTE THESE DEADLY PRODUCT THAT, THAT NOW WITH THE NEW, UH, NICOTINE ADDICTION WITH E-CIGARETTES, IT, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE.
UH, WE WENT FROM REDUCING SMOKING RATES FROM 30% TO 6% AND THAT, UH, E-CIGARETTE EPIDEMIC JUST TOTALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIKE 33% WITH, UH, THE YOUNG WOMEN FROM 11TH GRADE THAT, THAT VAPED THE MOST, THAT REPORTED VAPING WITHIN 30 DAYS OF TAKING THEIR RISK YOUTH ASSESSMENT SURVEY.
UH, THAT WAS LIKE FOUR YEARS AGO.
SO WE KNOW THAT THESE, UH, UH, PROGRAMS, UH, THEY'RE BASED, WE KNOW THAT THEY WORK, THEY REDUCE ACCESS, AND THEY, UH, AND THEREFORE REDUCE, UH, CONSUMPTION.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
WE'RE WORKING WITH SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WE'RE WORKING WITH OTHER CITIES.
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ACTUALLY LAST MONTH WE HAVE, UH, MORE THAN 30 STUDENTS IN CHULA VISTA.UH, THEY ARE IN, UH, REINFORCING THEIR TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE PROGRAM.
'CAUSE VAPING A, UH, FLAVORED TOBACCO CONTINUES TO, TO BE IN AT EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UH, WE ARE GONNA SUPPORT THE CITY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR WHOEVER IS DOING THE ENFORCEMENT TO DO THE WORK.
AND WE JUST WANT TO THANK YOU.
UH, IF YOU WANT TO PLEASE JUST, UH, TAKE SOMETHING OVER.
JUST, I I, I, I BELIEVE THIS IS DANIEL.
ALRIGHT, THAT IS ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE.
[6.1 Proclamation - National Public Works Week]
NEXT GO ON TO, UM, PROCLAMATION AND WE DO HAVE ONE.YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIT THERE, MARTHA.
YOU CAN COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
WELL, I SAY THAT BECAUSE MARTHA, OF COURSE IS OUR, UH, INTERIM PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND, UH, THE, UH, AND THIS IS NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK.
AND SO FOR, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES THE, UH, THE WORK THAT IS DONE, UH, SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT SEEN, SOMETIMES IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT, IT, YOU WON'T SEE IT UNTIL YOU NEED IT.
LIKE STORM DRAINS, LITTLE FUN THINGS ALONG THAT LINE, AND, UH, JUST ALL KINDS OF ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DO.
BUT ANYWAY, BUT WE WANNA PROCLAIM THIS WEEK, NATIONAL PUBLIC WORK WEEK AND GO FOR IT.
UM, AND OF COURSE OUR, OUR ACTING CITY MANAGER MM-HMM
IS OUR DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS.
BUT, UM, LET ME GET THE FORMALITIES OUT OF THE WAY.
SO, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
I AM THE ACTING DIRECTOR FOR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS AT THIS TIME.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR OUR TEAM WITH THIS PROCLAMATION.
NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK IS AN INITIATIVE OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION, WHICH AIMS TO RECOGNIZE AND RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE AND CONTRIBUTION DAILY OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEES, PUBLIC WORKS PROFESSIONALS ARE ESSENTIAL FIRST RESPONDERS WHO MAINTAIN AND OPERATE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
AND HERE IN NATIONAL CITY, MORE THAN 60 EMPLOYEES WITHIN OUR PARKS, STREETS AND WASTEWATER FACILITIES, FLEET AND MAINTENANCE AND EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE DIVISIONS SERVE IN PUBLIC WORKS, JOB ROLES, AND SHOW UP EVERY DAY TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF VIDEO THAT CAPTURES SOME OF THE WORK THAT THEY DO.
RIGHT? I AM SAM, UM, I THINK PROBABLY MY JOB AND ALSO LOVE MY JOB BECAUSE THIS IS MY SECOND FAMILY AWAY FROM MY FAMILY.
CONTRIBUTING TO THE CITY FEELS GOOD BECAUSE IT'S WHERE I LIVE, SO I GET TO GIVE BACK AND HELP OUT WITH THE PROJECTS IN THE CITY THAT I LIVE IN.
MY FATHER LIVES IN THIS COMMUNITY.
IT'S JUST NOT A REGULAR NINE TO FIVE.
SO PART OF THE NATIONAL CITY'S FLEET, WE MAINTAIN EVERYTHING FROM THE FIRE VEHICLES, POLICE VEHICLES, UH, WASTEWATER AND STREET DIVISION, UH, VEHICLES TO SWEEPERS.
UH, WE DO EVERYTHING FROM BASIC MAINTENANCE TO, UH, ENGINE REPAIRS AND, UH, REPLACEMENT.
I'M THE OPERATIONS MANAGER HERE AT ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS.
I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR 12 YEARS AND I ABSOLUTELY LOVE MY JOB.
I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS AND THE DEVELOPERS IN THE CITY TO COME AND ENJOY WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER.
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ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.AND, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE THEME WAS ROOTED IN SERVICE POWERED BY COMMUNITY.
THIS YEAR I ALSO WANNA GIVE A SPECIAL SHOUT OUT TO OUR PIO AND THE INTERN IN THE PIOS OFFICE WHO HELPED PUT THIS VIDEO TOGETHER.
SO WE'RE VERY, VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT.
YOU FIND A WAY TO DIVIDE THIS AMONG ALL OF THOSE PIECE FOR EVERYONE.
YEAH, WE'RE GONNA SQUISH RIGHT THERE.
I KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE I.
[7. REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS (Limited to Five (5) Minutes each)]
WE GET ON TO, UH, REGIONAL BOARDS AND ANY COMMITTEE REPORTS.AND I'LL START DOWN HERE ON MY LEFT.
NOTHING TO REPORT, MAYOR, NOTHING TO REPORT.
I DON'T HAVE NONE FOR THE MOMENT.
I'LL GET WHAT AUTHORITY TOMORROW.
AND THEN FOLLOWING DAY WE GOT COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY, BUT YEAH, THOSE MEETINGS ARE YET TO COME.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT WE GET INTO CONSENT
[8. CONSENT CALENDAR]
CALENDAR.THIS IS ITEMS EIGHT, ONE THROUGH SEVEN AND I DO HAVE REQUESTS FOR 8, 4, 5, AND SIX.
MOTION TO APPROVE REMAINING CONSENT ITEMS. MAYOR.
OKAY, SO THAT'D BE ITEMS 8, 1, 2, 3, AND SEVEN.
WELL, I DON'T HAVE A DEAL ON IT, BUT WE'LL PULL SEVEN FOR YOU.
HOW'S THAT? SO YOU GUYS, WOULD YOU, UM, AMEND YOUR MOTION? WELL, YOU SAID THE REMAINDER, SO REMAINDER MINUS SEVEN.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UH, COULD YOU VOTE PLEASE? MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY, UNANIMOUSLY BY THOSE PRESENT.
[8.4 Second Amendment to the Agreement with Terra Realty Advisors to Extend the Contract Term for Digital Billboard Consulting Services.]
TO EIGHT FOUR.THIS IS THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT WITH TIERRA, UH, REGULATORY ADVISORIES TO EXTEND THE CONTRACT TERM FOR DIGITAL BILLBOARD CONSULTING SERVICES.
AND, UH, MR. THOMAS RE THANK YOU.
UH, THIS IS A CONTRACT FOR FROM, FROM TIER REAL REALTY FOR AN ADVISOR'S AMENDMENT.
AND THIS IS A, UM, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT AND THIS, IF I READ IT RIGHT THERE, IT'S ADDITIONAL 300 ADDITIONAL THREE $36,500, UH, FOR ELECTRONIC SIGNS FOR THE MILE OF CARS.
AND I JUST WONDER WHERE THEY ARE AND WHAT, WHERE, WHERE THEY WILL BE AND WHAT'S THE OTHER THING? OKAY, WELL THIS IS, THIS HERE IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT FOR EXTENSION.
AND SO IS IT FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY? OKAY.
I'M GETTING, GETTING AN ANSWER REAL QUICK.
NO, IT'S JUST TO EXTEND THE TERM, IT JUST EXTENDS THE TERM.
IT'S STILL WITHIN THE SAME, SAME DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE CONTRACT.
IT JUST EXTENDING THE TIME TO ALLOW 'EM TO CONTINUE TO DO THE WORK.
UM, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? MOTION TO MOVE, UH, FOR APPROVAL, MAYOR.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT THERE IS A COMMENT THAT WAS RECEIVED FROM REPUBLIC BY MR. TED GOTCHU.
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HE SUBMITTED IT, UM, THROUGH ESCRIBE AND EMAIL AND HE TEXTED IT TO ME AS WELL.I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT GOES ON THE RECORD.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION TO APPROVE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH ABSENT.
[Items 8.5 - 8.7]
WITH, UH, WARRANTS.I'M GONNA JUST SAY FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN.
UH, I'M JUST GONNA READ THE, THESE ARE THE WARRANTS.
THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT I THOUGHT WERE KIND OF WHAT APPEARED INTERESTING TO ME.
UH, IN WARRANT NUMBER SIX, THE EC PIPELINE FOR THE SEWER UPSIZING, THE $615,000 AND THE AP GENERAL CORPORATION WAS PALMAS PARK IMPROVEMENTS IS 237,000.
THE NATIONAL CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BY THE CITY MANAGER FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES.
11,000 PUBLIX WORKS FENCING, FENDING FENCING FOR PARADISE CREEK 36,000 S UH, OH SDS DRILLING GROUNDS MO REPAIR FOR FIRE STATION 34 $18,000.
FIRE RE FITNESS OF REPLACEMENT OF BROKEN TREADMILL AT STO AT STATION.
CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL SEXUAL ASSAULTS, CHILD SEXUAL ASSAULT EXAMS, $550.
FREEMAN ROOFING FOR THE FOR THE LIBRARY.
$30,000 CHEN RYAN AMENDMENT FOR THE 24TH STREET TRANSIT STATION.
$30,000 TRAFFIC, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
STC TRAFFIC WASTEWATER PROVAN MANAGEMENT SUPPORT.
EIGHTH STREET IN HARBOR AVENUE BNSF CROSSING, UH, 22,000 FREEMAN FREEMAN ROOFING LIBRARY ROOF, 160 THOU 166,000 CITY MANAGER POSTAGE $5,000 ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS.
BICYCLE WAY FINDING PROJECT 21,000 JUST FOR SIGNS.
FINANCE PUN CITY AUTO GROUP 29,000 GRAPHIC SYSTEM FIRE CAR GRAPHIC SYSTEMS. FIRE CAR LETTERING.
$1,800 MS. CALIFORNIA FIRE FOR THE FIRE.
UH, IT A T WIRELESS $8,000 E OBTAINED PAYMENTS INNER WEST CONSOLING $2,500 EIGHT.
THIS IS EIGHT SEVEN TYLER TECHNOLOGIES, MINI MUNICIPAL ER PROJECT.
IT WON'T, IT WON'T TAKE ME LONG.
IN GEO SYNTECH SUPPORT FOR NATIONAL TI $18,000 SPEED PRO IMAGING VIEW $1,600 FINANCE, BANK OF NEW YORK CUSTODIAN FEE, 18 $70.
COUNCIL OF HYATT REGENCY $801 FOR CONFERENCE AND STAFF ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS CIRCUS HOTEL, $604 IN LAS VEGAS, OUTBACK STEAKHOUSE, $159.
UM, FIRE MECHANICAL PENCIL, $38.
SO, WELL THIS COMPLETES IT AND I ONLY JUST WANNA SAY THAT ALL THREE THE THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.
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JUST, UH, MAKE THE SAME COMMENT, UH, I'VE ALWAYS MADE ABOUT THIS WARRANT REGISTER.YOU DON'T HAVE THE DATE OF THE, THAT THE INVOICE PERTAINS TO.
YOU HAVE THE DATE THAT IT'S, UH, IT'S PAID, BUT IN THE PAST YOU'VE SUBMITTED INVOICES MONTHS LATER, YOU KNOW YOU'RE COMING IN.
ONE OF THE FINDINGS THEY HAD IN THE PREVIOUS AUDIT REPORTS IS YOU DON'T CLOSE THE BOOKS FAST ENOUGH.
THERE'S ALL SORTS OF ADJUSTMENTS.
SO IT BEHOOVE YOURSELVES TO UNDERSTAND IF THE BILLS ARE COMING IN AND GETTING RECORDED ON TIME.
I DON'T NOTICE YOU ASKING ANY QUESTIONS OF, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU'RE SO BUSY WITH THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND YOU GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
BUT IT BEHOOVE YOURSELVES TO ASK WHEN'S THE YEAR'S, THIS YEAR'S FISCAL YEAR GONNA CLOSE ON THE BOOKS? SO YOU CAN REASONABLY EXPECT, WHEN CAN YOU GET THE FIRST SET OF FINANCIAL STATEMENTS BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA NEED IT RIGHT AWAY.
SO I'M NOT ADDING MORE WORK, I'M JUST WANTING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW BEFORE YOU ASK THEM TO DO ANYTHING MORE.
YOU GOTTA PRIORITIZE WHAT YOU NEED.
AND, UH, I THINK THIS IS SORT OF REALLY IMPORTANT.
WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE ON EIGHT SIX? I'M SORRY.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
[9.1 Public Hearing - Zone Variance to Deviate from Minimum Requirements for Lot Area, Street Frontage, and Setbacks at a Vacant Property Located on East 5th Street between Highland Avenue and I Avenue.]
TO NINE ONE.THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND IT IS FOR A, UH, ZONE VARIANCE TO DEVIATE FROM MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ON LOT AREA STREET FRONTAGE AND SETBACKS AT A VACANT PROPERTY LOCATED AT EAST FIFTH STREET BETWEEN HIGHLAND AVENUE AND I AVENUE.
WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE A, UH, REPORT AND STAFF? GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
MY NAME IS DAVID WELCH WITH THE NATIONAL CITY PLANNING DIVISION.
UM, ITEM 9.1 IS A ZONE VARIANCE REQUEST, UM, ON EAST FIFTH STREET.
UM, HERE'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S ABOUT HALF THE SIZE OF A TYPICAL, UM, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN THE CITY.
AS YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
UM, IT'S OWNED RS TWO, WHICH IS SMALL LOT RESIDENTIAL.
THE PARCEL IS 2,500 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S A STANDARD RECTANGULAR SHAPE.
UM, ESSENTIALLY IT'S A REMNANT PARCEL FROM PREVIOUS DIVISIONS HAPPENING AROUND IT.
UM, THIS PARCEL'S CONSIDERED SUBSTANDARD PER OUR CODE, UH, WHICH WOULD RESULT IN A CONSTRAINED BUILDABLE AREA.
UM, THE AREA IS MOSTLY IS BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
THERE'S MOSTLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT THERE ARE ALSO, UH, RETAIL AND SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS ALONG HIGHLAND RIGHT THERE.
HERE'S A COUPLE PHOTOS OF THE SITE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE, UH, KIND OF GOES BACK A LITTLE BIT AND THEN FURTHER, DEEPER INTO THE SITE.
SO THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF BUILDING A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AND POTENTIALLY AN A DU.
UM, THE PROPOSAL RESIDENCE WOULD BE 803 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THIS WOULD BE A ONE STORY BUILDING WITH TWO BEDROOMS AND TWO BATHROOMS. UH, ATTACHED TO IT IS, UH, AN A DU, WHICH WOULD BE 630 SQUARE FEET.
UM, THE PROPOSAL WOULD REDUCE, UM, OR THE REQUEST FOR VARIANCE IS TO REDUCE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FRONTAGE AND SETBACKS.
UH, SO THE APPLICANT WAS LOOKING AT 11 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK, A THREE FOOT REAR REAR YARD SETBACK, AND A THREE FOOT SIX INCH SIDE YARD SETBACK TO THE EAST.
HERE'S A PICTURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT WAS PROPOSED IN THE KIND OF BEIGE COLOR SALMON COLORS, THE REGULAR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT, UH, SLIGHTLY CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN THE NORMAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN THE A DU IN THE BACK, YOU CAN SEE THE SETBACKS ALL AROUND.
UM, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE VARIANCE.
UH, I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT, SO THIS IS EXHIBIT A IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED.
EXHIBIT B IS ACTUALLY PLANNING COMMISSION COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION.
UM, SO GETTING BACK TO THE VARIANCES, UH, NUMBER ONE LOT AREA, THE STANDARD LOT AREA IN THE ZONE IS 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE STANDARD SETBACKS IN THE RS TWO ZONE ARE 20, UH, FEET IN THE FRONT, 25 FEET IN THE REAR, UH, FIVE FEET ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, ADUS DO HAVE OTHER SETBACKS THAT ARE REGULATED BY THE STATE, WHICH WOULD TYPICALLY BE FOUR FEET ON THE SIDE AND FOUR FEET ON THE REAR.
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FRONT YARD SETBACK, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT INCLUDES THE COVERED PORCH.SO THE, THE MAIN FACE OF THE BUILDING'S A LITTLE BIT FARTHER BACK.
I THINK IT'S 16, UM, THREE FEET ON THE EAST SIDE.
UH, CURRENTLY THERE'S AN APARTMENT BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE.
UM, THE WEST SIDE WOULD BE FOUR FEET, WHICH IS ALSO ALLOWED UNDER STATE LAW.
UM, AND THREE FEET IN THE REAR.
I KNOW IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT TYPICAL SINGLE STORY CONSTRUCTION.
UH, JUST, UM, HALLWAYS, UH, PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE BEDROOMS, UH, FLOOR PLAN'S KIND OF IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE GETS TO A POINT WHERE A BUILDING CODE WON'T ALLOW YOU TO BUILD SOMETHING.
AND SO THIS LAYOUT IS, IS GETTING KIND OF, UH, SCRUNCHED BY BUILDING CODE.
AND THIS IS LIKE THE BEST THEY COULD DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF SETBACKS AVAILABLE.
ELEVATIONS, SIMPLE SINGLE STORY HOUSE, UM, COVER PORCH IN THE FRONT.
UM, YOU SEE THE WINDOWS AND ENTRANCES ON THE SIDE TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING.
UH, MOVING ONTO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION.
SO WHEN WE INITIALLY TOOK THIS TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, THE COMMISSION ASKED FOR A SECOND DRAWING TO SHOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK AS A SECOND STORY.
I THINK IT WAS IN HOPES OF POSSIBLY REDUCING THE SETBACK REQUEST.
SO WITH EXHIBIT B, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION OR RECOMMENDED, YOU HAVE A 16 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK.
THE OTHER ONE AS WE SAW WAS 11 AND THEN, EXCUSE ME, 20 FEET IN THE BACK.
AND ONCE AGAIN, THREE FOOT SIX INCH ON THE SIDE FLOOR PLAN SEPARATED.
THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD BE THE PRIMARY DWELLING.
SECOND FLOOR WOULD BE DEDICATED TO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
JUST THAT SECOND STORY, UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
LOOK, IT WOULDN'T GO BACK, WOULDN'T GO AS FAR BACK INTO THE PROPERTY AS THE OTHER DESIGN.
SO MOVING ON TO THE ANALYSIS, UH, FROM STAFF PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
UH, WE HAVE POLICIES THAT ENCOURAGE IN INFILL DEVELOPMENT, HOW DO WE USE UNDERLIE UNDERUTILIZED LAND, REMOVE BARRIERS TO DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE ARE TO ENCOURAGE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TYPES.
SO, UH, DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES, SMALLER UNITS, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
UM, AND THEN THIS WOULD ALSO PROPOSE OR PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL HOME OWNER OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY.
SO WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS COMING TO COUNCIL.
SO THIS IS AN EXISTING LAW THAT COULD BE USED FOR A NEW HOME, ESSENTIALLY.
UM, THE ZONING ALLOWS FOR ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT ON THIS RS TWO LOT, UH, ADUS ARE ALLOWED AS AN ACCESSORY TO THAT.
UM, MOVING ON TO JUST THE LAND USE CODE, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE VARIANCES.
UH, TYPICALLY IT'S 5,000 SQUARE FOOT.
WE'RE REQUESTING 2,500 SQUARE FOOT FOR THE LOT, UH, 50 FOOT MINIMUM STREET FRONTAGE.
THEY'RE REQUESTING TO BUILD ON A LOT WITH 25 FEET, UH, 20 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK.
UH, THE SINGLE STORY APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL WAS 11 FEET FRONT YARD SETBACK, UH, FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACKS.
UH, THEY REQUESTED THREE FEET, SIX INCHES ON THE EAST SIDE.
UM, BASICALLY FOUR FEET ON THE RIGHT, BUT THAT'S ALSO ALLOWED BY STATE LAW.
UM, THE CODE ASKS FOR 25 YEAR FOOT REAR SETBACKS.
UM, THE APPLICANT WAS PROPOSING THREE FEET, BUT THAT'S INCLUDING AN A DU CONSTRUCTION.
THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC FINDINGS THAT NEED TO BE MADE, UM, FOR THE APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE.
I'LL TRY AND GO THROUGH THOSE PRETTY QUICKLY HERE.
UM, THEY SHOULD ONLY BE GRANTED BECAUSE OF SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES APPLICABLE TO THE PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE SIZE, SHAPE, TOPOGRAPHY, UH, LOCATION OR SURROUNDINGS THAT THE STRICT APPLICATION OF OUR LAND USE CODE WOULD DEPRIVE THAT PROPERTY OF PRIVILEGES ENJOYED BY OTHER PROPERTY IN THE VICINITY IN A UNDER IDENTICAL ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
UM, SO THE LOT THE SIZE WOULD APPLY HERE IS HALF THE SIZE OF A NORMAL LOT RESTRICTS THE ABILITY TO BUILD WHICH INFLUENCES SETBACK.
UM, THE SHAPE ALSO HAS HALF THE STREET FRONTAGE, WHICH ALSO MODIFIES HOW YOU CAN BUILD ON THE SITE.
UM, THERE'S NOT ROOM TO BUILD A TYPICAL RESIDENCE WHILE MEETING ALL THOSE SETBACKS.
UM, SO THAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE, UM, SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE SITE.
UM, THE SECOND FINDING ANY VARIANCE THAT GRANTED SHALL BE SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AS WE'LL ASSURE THAT IT WILL NOT CONSTITUTE A GRANT OF SPECIAL PRIVILEGES INCONSISTENT WITH OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE VICINITY AND THE ZONE.
UM, SO ALL ACROSS NASHVILLE CITY, EVEN PROBABLY NEARBY THIS ONE, THERE'S A LOT OF, LOTS DEVELOPED LESS THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, IT'S VERY COMMON IN THE CITY OF, WE'RE AN OLDER CITY, SMALLER HOMES.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROPERTIES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY THAT HAS LEFT LESS THAN THE REQUIRED LOT SIZE, LESS THAN THE REQUIRED STREET FRONTAGE AS WELL AS SETBACKS.
EVEN THE NAME RIG PROPERTIES DON'T NEED THE SETBACKS.
UM, AND THEN IS IT CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF SURROUNDING AREA? UM, THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE
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THOSE REVISED PLANS AS THE REQUEST OF PLANNING MISSION TO HAVE THAT REDUCED SETBACK REQUEST.UM, AND THAT'S THE, AGAIN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DESIGN.
UM, AND THEN THE THIRD FINDING FOR A VARIANCE, UH, CAN'T GRANT A USE THAT'S NOT AUTHORIZED IN THE ZONE.
SO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ISN'T USE, THAT'S PERMITTED IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY ZONE.
MOVING ON TO THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, UH, THERE IS A SPECIFIC STATE EXEMPTION FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
THAT'S, UH, CLASS TWO, I'M SORRY, IT SHOULD BE CLASS THREE 15.
UH, WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, PLANNING ADDED CONDITIONS TO MAKE SURE IT'S COMPLYING WITH OUR LAND USE CODE WHEN IT COMES IN FOR BILLING PERMITS.
UM, THE DRAFT RESOLUTION HAS EXHIBIT A, THE TWO STORY DESIGN, UH, HOWEVER YOU HAVE AN ATTACHMENT FOR THAT ALSO SHOWS EXHIBIT A, WHICH WAS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL, UM, WHICH WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER TONIGHT.
UM, AND IS THE PROPOSED USE CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN? UM, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY IN A DU, WHICH ARE PERMITTED USES IN THAT ZONE IN GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION.
UM, AND TITLE 18 DOES PERMIT ZONE VARIANCES TO OCCUR WITH THE THREE FINDINGS I DISCUSSED EARLIER.
SO THE OPTIONS HERE TONIGHT ARE TO FIND THIS PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CE QA AND APPROVE THE VARIANCE BASED ON THE CONDITIONS IN THE RESOLUTION OR OTHER CONDITIONS AND BASED ON THE FINDINGS IN THE RESOLUTION OR OTHER FINDINGS THAT ARE WRITTEN BY COUNCIL, OR FIND THAT THE PROJECT IS NOT EXEMPT FROM, FROM CE, QA AND OR DENY THE ZONE VARIANCE, UH, BASED ON FINDINGS OR FINDINGS DETERMINED BY THE COUNCIL.
OR YOU CAN CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THAT, UH, SETBACK REQUEST FOR THE TWO STORY DESIGN, WHICH IS EXHIBIT B NOTATED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION.
UH, YOU ALSO SAW EXHIBIT A TONIGHT IN MY PRESENTATION, WHICH, UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M AVAILABLE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ON THE PRESENTATION? OTHERWISE WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, WITH THE, UH, POINT OF CLARIFICATION, MR. UM, DAVID, SORRY, DAVID, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE AS LONG AS THE EXHIBIT B WITH, WITH THE A DU OR JUST THIS ONE SINGLE, UH, ONE TWO STORY HOME.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE TWO STORY DESIGN, WHICH HAD, UM, SLIGHTLY LARGER SETBACKS ON THE FRONT AND THE REAR.
UM, AND A DU IS AN ACCESSORY USE, SO WE COULDN'T NECESSARILY FORCE THEM TO BUILD AN A DU, BUT IT BASICALLY ENCOURAGES A DESIGN WITH THAT TWO STORY ELEMENT THAT WAS SHOWN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH IS WHAT THEY REQUESTED TO SEE.
THE RS TWO ZONING, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE IT SAYS ANALYSIS? THERE WE GO.
UM, FOR DEVELOPMENT, WHAT IS A 50 FOOT MINIMUM STREET FRONTAGE? UM, MEAN WHEN IT COMES TO RS TWO ZONING? SO IF WE WERE DOING A BRAND NEW SUBDIVISION AND YOU WERE TO DIVIDE THE LOTS, EACH LOT IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE 50 FEET OF FRONTAGE ALONG A CITY STREET.
UM, SO SOMETIMES WE RUN INTO SUBSTANDARD LOTS LIKE THIS ONE WHERE IT'S LESS THAN THAT AND IF THEY GO AND TRY AND DEVELOP, UM, IT'S NOT MEETING OUR STANDARDS AND THAT'S WHERE THE VARIANCE COMES INTO PLAY.
SO, SO WE WOULD WANT IT TO MEET MORE STREET FRONTAGE THROUGH RSS TWO ZONING, BUT BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT, IT'S UNABLE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.
THE EXISTING CONDITION ONLY HAS 25 FEET OF FRONTAGE.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, YARD SETBACKS? IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENTS OR IS IT JUST FOR RS TWO ZONING? UM, WHAT IS ON THIS SLIDE IS SPECIFIC TO THE RS TWO ZONE.
UH, WHEN YOU GET INTO DENSER LIKE MULTI-FAMILY ZONES, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
UM, I DUNNO IF YOU HAD A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT A PARTICULAR SETBACK THERE.
'CAUSE IT IS A ODD LOT IN THAT IT IS LOCATED IN AN RS TWO ZONE CLOSE TO HIGHLAND, BUT IT ALSO SEEPS INTO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, JUST I BELIEVE A BLOCK OVER.
SO I GUESS I'M JUST, I'M JUST, UH, THINKING IF IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IF, IF THE PROPOSALS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING THERE.
SO IF WE, IF WE LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU SEE THE RED HIGHLIGHTED WHERE THE LOT IS, UM,
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EVERY, FROM EVERYTHING FROM THERE EAST MOVING EAST IS ZONED RS TWO.SO THAT IS THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONE.
UM, EVERYTHING WEST HEADED TOWARDS HIGHLAND AND ALONG THE HIGHLAND CORRIDOR, THAT IS ONE OF OUR MIXED USE ZONES.
UM, SO RSS TWO HAS A SETBACKS THAT ARE TALKED ABOUT ON THE ANALYSIS SLIDE.
UH, OUR MIXED USE ZONES HAS ZERO FOOT SETBACKS, SO IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT PROFILE.
SO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY COULD BE BUILT RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, JUST CURIOUS IF IT WAS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH EITHER OF THE PROPOSALS, IF IT WOULD MEET THE, UH, SORT OF CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR AS THE, UH, UH, ALREADY EXISTING DEVELOPMENT EXISTS.
I MEAN, I DO SEE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT NEAR THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINES.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING AREA RIGHT THERE, I MEAN, IF IT WAS ZOOMED OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU'D SEE SOME OTHER STUFF TOO.
UM, BUT THIS IS AN OLDER PART OF NATIONAL CITY.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTIES THAT HAVE IN THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONES THAT HAVE MORE THAN ONE UNIT.
THERE'S A MULTI-FAMILY, UH, PROPERTY DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR.
UM, AS FAR AS CHARACTER IS CONCERNED, I, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE, UM, THINGS THAT CAME UP IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
LIKE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M SEEING THIS DESIGN SINGLE STORY, UM, JUST ONE UNIT, UH, SMALLER THAN A LOT OF HOUSES IN THE CITY, UM, IT'S, TO ME IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A ZONE DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS UP TO 35 FEET IN HEIGHT IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE, SO IT COULD ESSENTIALLY BE SOMETHING MUCH LARGER.
UM, BUT IT IS A LITTLE BIT CONSTRAINED BY BUILDING CODES IN THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
UM, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FINDINGS FOR THE VARIANCE CHARACTERS NOT NECESSARILY TALKED ABOUT AS SOMETHING, AS A MEASUREMENT OF WHETHER OR NOT A VARIANCE SHOULD BE APPROVED.
IT'S, IT'S STRICTLY IS THE LOT ITSELF CONFLICTING WITH THE ABILITY TO BUILD WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THE ZONE THAT OTHERS IN THAT ZONE ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD.
SO IF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, LET'S SAY THERE'S A 5,000 SQUARE SQUARE FOOT PROPERTY JUST DOWN THE STREET, IF THAT WAS BUILT BRAND NEW, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD BUILD A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T QUESTION THE CHARACTER OF THAT.
WE JUST HAVE OUR DESIGN GUIDELINES AND IF THEY MEET THAT IT GETS APPROVED.
UM, SO THIS VARIANCE ISN'T REALLY NECESSARILY ABOUT CHARACTER.
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT OR THE COUNCIL IS, UM, BUT IT STRICTLY ABOUT WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED, THE SETBACKS, THE LOT SIZE AND THE STREET FRONTAGE.
IT SAYS HERE THAT, UM, CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOME WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WITHOUT THE GROUNDING OF A VARIANCE.
IT SAYS HERE, SO WE HAVE TO, IN YOUR REPORT SITE CHARACTERISTIC, IT'S ON PAGE 78.
IT SAYS THE LOT IS A SUBSTANDARD SIZE FOR THE RSS TWO ZONE AND WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A HOME WITHOUT THE GRANTING OF VARIANCE.
BUT THAT THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SITE.
I THINK, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS RODRIGUEZ, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MM-HMM
BUT YOU SAID THAT THE VARIANCE IS NOT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, APPLICABLE ON THIS ONE.
WHEN, WHEN IT SAYS IN YOUR REPORT THAT THE HOME CANNOT BE CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT THE VARIANCE BEING GRANTED.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS, UM, OVERHEAD, UH, PICTURE HERE.
THE, THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE LOT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
UM, THE, THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT LOT.
I, I'M CURIOUS WHETHER THE, THE NEIGHBORING, UH, HOMES THAT ARE THERE NOW ARE, ARE THEY ALSO OWNED BY THE, THE OWNERS OF THE LOT THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR? I'M, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY COMMON OWNERSHIP.
I KNOW WE HAD A PUBLIC SPEAKER FROM A NEIGHBOR THAT WAS AGAINST US.
SO I KNOW ONE OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES IS OWNED BY ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, I, I HAVE NO IDEA.
UM, I'VE ONLY HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE HOMEOWNER AND THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT OWNING ANY OTHER PROPERTIES NEARBY.
UH, I'M SORRY, THE HOMEOWNER OR? NO, NOT THAT HOMEOWNER.
THERE IS NO HOME RIGHT NOW ON THIS LOT.
DO YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HAS IT BEEN EMPTY FOR AN EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME? I, I DON'T HAVE ANY
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EVIDENCE OF WHEN A HOUSE WAS THERE, IF THERE EVER WAS ONE.UM, IT IS OF MY BELIEF THAT THE SURROUNDING AREA DEVELOPED AND THIS KIND OF GOT LEFT BEHIND.
THAT'S THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS SCENARIO.
UM, DO YOU KNOW, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SPEAKER THAT REPRESENTS THIS LOT.
MAYBE THESE QUESTIONS MAY BE MORE APPLICABLE TO THE SPEAKER, BUT, UM, I AM CURIOUS ABOUT, UM, WHETHER THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE BUILT ON HERE IS, IS IT GOING TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED? UM, IS IT, IS IT PLANNED TO BE FLIPPED? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THIS HOME ONCE IT EXISTS? WE'LL BE BRINGING, WE'RE BRINGING THEM UP.
EITHER THE APPLICANT OR PROPERTY OWNER CAN SPEAK TO FUTURE PLANS.
UM, BUT IF IT WERE TO BE SOLD, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD END UP BEING A HOMEOWNER AS WELL.
SO, UM, SOMETIMES WE CAN'T SPECULATE NECESSARILY WHO WILL BE LIVING THERE IN THE FUTURE.
WELL, I WILL HOLD MY QUESTIONS FOR THE PUBLIC.
DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, PRESENT? I KIND OF THOUGHT THAT WAS YOU, IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
MY NAME IS AVA GOMEZ WITH OFFSET DESIGN.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UH, REGARDING THE PROJECT THAT WAS JUST PRESENT, UH, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJACENT HOMES AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE ARE HERE TODAY TO REQUEST THE APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT PRO, THE PROPOSED VARIANCE RELATED TO THE SETBACKS, WHICH ARE NECESSARY TO MAKE THE PROJECT FEASIBLE WHILE KEEPING FUNCTIONAL LIVING SPACE AND MEETING MINIMAL ROOM SIZE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
IT'LL PROVIDE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY AND ADD TO THE OVERALL VALUE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHILE PROVIDING HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, WHICH CONTINUE TO BE A MAJOR ISSUE THROUGHOUT THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY.
UM, THANK YOU FOR TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION YOU MAY HAVE.
UH, TELL ME YOUR NAME ONE MORE TIME.
THANK YOU FOR, UM, YOUR PRESENTATION.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET THE PRESENTATION BACK UP, JUAN.
UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE VISUAL
UM, SO THAT PICTURE IS HELPFUL BECAUSE, UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT HOW CLOSE THE NEIGHBORS ARE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER, UM, YOU AS A REPRESENTATIVE OR THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS, UH, HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
UH, WE TRY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A CONFLICT AND, UH, WHEN WE PRESENT THE EXHIBIT A, UH, WE TOOK IN CONSIDERATION A LOT OF CONSIDERATION OF THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN.
WE REDUCED THE SETBACKS ON HIS SIDE.
SO WE GAVE, WE INCREASED, SORRY.
WE INCREASED THE, THE SETBACK ON, ON HIS SIDE.
WE ARE, WE ARE PROPOSING LIKE A NEW FENCE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, WE ARE TRYING TO, UM, TO ACCOMPLISH WITH ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT FROM THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE, WE ARE TRYING TO, AND THAT'S ONE NEIGHBOR THAT WE ARE HAVING CONFLICT WITH, WHICH, UM, HIS PROPERTY ALSO HAS REDUCED SETBACKS ON THE SIDE AND ON THE, THE SOUTH PART TOO.
IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, SETBACKS.
AND HOW BIG IS THAT? UH, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THE SPACE BETWEEN, I'M NOT SURE THE, THE SETBACKS BETWEEN THE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE OTHER PROPERTIES, BUT IT'S PRETTY, IT'S LESS THAN FIVE FEET.
IS IT THREE FEET? UM, AROUND THAT, YES.
IF YOU LOOK IN THE PHOTOS, YES.
ESPECIALLY THE MULTIFAMILY ON THE SIDE, WHICH IS TWO STORIES BUILDING AS WELL.
UM, I MEAN THAT'S THE REQUEST, RIGHT? YES.
UM, WHAT ABOUT PARKING? SO PARKING, UH, ACTUALLY THE OWNER IS TRYING TO PROVIDE A PARKING.
WE ARE TRYING TO PROPOSE A DRIVEWAY THAT LEADS TO A CARPORT.
UH, NOT ON THIS PROPOSAL BECAUSE WE SPOKE WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE ENGINEER DEPARTMENT, AND THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED IMPLEMENT WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT.
BUT YES, THE OWNER ACTUALLY WISHING TO ADD A DRIVEWAY WITH A CARPORT.
AND ACTUALLY NOW WE ARE THINKING ABOUT TO, UM, INSTEAD OF THE
BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS NEEDS PLANS? NO, BECAUSE WE ARE GONNA, WE ARE GONNA KEEP IT WITH THE VARIANCE.
UH, AND THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT.
'CAUSE OUR REQUEST IS JUST FOR THE VARIANCE FOR THE SETBACKS.
SO IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING FOR, FOR THE LAYOUTS THAT WE, WE ARE GONNA
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BE DOING IT.SO THE, SO THE VARIANCE TODAY WOULD ALLOW ADD PARKING LATER OR, OR NOT ADD IT? WE, WE ARE PLANNING TO, YES, WE ARE DEFINITELY PLANNING TO, BUT IT'S NOT KNOW, IT'S NOT A GIVEN THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO IT, IT GIVES YOU THE CHANCE TO DO IT OR NOT DO IT? WELL, WE HAVE TO PUT IT THE SAME THING.
THE OWNER REALLY WANTS TO DO IT.
LIKE HE, WE REALLY WANTED TO PROVIDE THE, THE CARPORT AND UH, UM, WE SPOKE WITH THE CITY DEPARTMENT, UM, THE ENGINEER DEPARTMENT, THE PLANE DEPARTMENT, AND WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT THIS ON THE DOING THE BUILDING, UM, BUILDING PERMIT.
AND THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR ONE PARKING SPOT? YES.
UM, AND THIS WOULD BE, UM, POSSIBLE WITH THE TWO STORY MODEL, THE EXHIBIT B? YES.
IT WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE WITH EXHIBIT A? NO.
UM, NO, NO, BECAUSE THE EXHIBIT A, WE CANNOT PUSH THE RIGHT.
UM, AND MY LAST QUESTION, THE COULD BE THE EXHIBIT B WAS CREATED TO ACCOMMODATE ONE OF THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN.
SO THAT'S WHY WE CREATE A NEW DESIGN, BUT NOW WE SQUEEZED EVERYTHING WE COULD, UH, TO MAKE THE PROJECT FEASIBLE.
UM, AND MY FINAL QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE, UM, UH, LONG TERM PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, IT'S TO SELL IT TO A NEW FAMILY, TO TO, TO, IT'S TO SELL MM-HMM
SO IT WON'T BE OWNER OCCUPIED? UH, NO.
HE'S PLANNING TO, TO DO AS AN INVESTMENT AND SELL FOR FAMILY.
AND, AND HOW LONG HAS THE OWNER OWNED THIS PROPERTY? THREE YEARS.
BUT HE'S, HE MENTIONED TO ME WHILE YOU GUYS WAS DISCUSSING THAT THIS LOT HAS BEEN ALWAYS EMPTY.
UH, I'M SORRY, THIS, THIS LOT HAS BEEN ALWAYS, UH, EMPTY.
SO HE PURCHASED IT THREE YEARS AGO.
THERE WAS NEVER DEVELOPMENT THERE.
AND, AND IF I COULD JUST THE NEIGHBOR SHOW THE, LIKE THE NEIGHBOR EMAILED MY CLIENT SHOW INTERESTING IN BUYING THE PROPERTY, UH, SO HE COULD DEVELOP A BIGGER HOUSE THERE WHERE HE COULD USE AS HIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT WAS NOT WHAT THE WARNER WAS WANTING.
SO, UM, YEAH, PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE, YEAH.
I I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE WITH ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I'M ASKING.
UH, I'M JUST TRYING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, UNDERSTAND SORT OF THE MOTIVATION FOR WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN NATIONAL CITY.
WE HAVE VERY LIMITED SPACE LEFT, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD UPON.
AND, AND I DEFINITELY WANT TO BE VERY, UM, UM, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? CAREFUL.
COURSE, YOU KNOW, CAREFUL CARING.
UM, CERTAINLY COGNIZANT OF, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE AND HAVE BEEN HERE.
AND NOT, UH, INFRINGE ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE ALREADY.
AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, JUST TURNED AROUND FOR PROFIT, UM, I, I JUST WANNA BE TAKE CARE AND DO IT IN A WAY THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT DOESN'T, THAT THAT TAKES CONSIDERATIONS IN WAY THEY JUST SELL TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE IN NATIONAL CITY.
UH, BUT THE OWNER DOESN'T LIVE IN THE AREA.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHY WE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE INTENTION IS JUST TO PROVIDE HOUSING, WHICH IS A MAJOR ISSUE IN WHOLE SAN DIEGO RIGHT NOW.
UM, I, I SEE THE GENTLEMAN COMING UP.
SIR, PLEASE APPROACH THE MICROPHONE, THE PROPERTY.
AND SO AFTER HAVING THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING, AND A COUPLE OF THE NEIGHBORS SPOKE UP ABOUT HOW THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE PARKING ALREADY AND THAT, YOU KNOW, PARKING'S A PROBLEM IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN WHEN WE DECIDED WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, BUILD A TWO STORY, UH, SO THERE'D BE A LARGER YARD AREA, AND THEN WE DECIDED WE'RE GOING TO CONVERT LIKE HALF, ALMOST OF THE FIRST FLOOR INTO A CARPORT AND, YOU KNOW, PUT A CURB CUT IN AND HAVE PARKING SO THAT THE OWNER WILL HAVE PARKING ON SITE, UH, OFF HAVE ONE OFF STREET.
YOU'D HAVE ONE OFF STREET AND ONE WE'RE SACRIFICING SOME OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO CREATE THAT GARAGE SPACE.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS AND WE'RE MAKING CHANGES.
WE ARE BASICALLY GETTING RID OF THE A DU SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE THE HOUSE WITH THE CARPORT.
AND THE GOAL IS TO SELL IT TO AN OWNER OCCUPANT.
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GONNA BE A MORE APPEALING TO AN OWNER OCCUPANT IF HE CAN PARK ON HIS PROPERTY AND HIS OWN CARPORT.SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE REALLY PLAN ON BUILDING A VERY QUALITY PROJECT, WHICH IS ONLY GONNA IMPROVE YOU GET ONE ON EVERYONE'S VALUES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, HEARING FROM YOU THAT, THAT YOU, YOU ARE TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU RECOGNIZE THE IMPACT, RIGHT? THAT, THAT, THAT IS, THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAVE, UH, AND HEARING FROM YOU YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CHANGE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL PLANS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT DOES GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF HOPE THAT, THAT THERE IS SOME CARE IN, IN, IN THE PLANS THAT, THAT ARE BEFORE US.
I MEAN, WE WERE TOLD NOT TO REALLY DO IT FOR THIS MEETING.
'CAUSE WE CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES AFTERWARDS.
'CAUSE WE ARE GONNA KEEP THE VARIANCE BECAUSE THE, THE MEETING TODAY IS TO REQUEST THE VARIANCE.
AND THE VARIANCES GONNA BE THE SAME.
THE, YOU KNOW, WELL WE ARE GONNA BUILD IS GONNA BE A NICE SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH A PARKING, IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, BE A VERY NICE HOME.
THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING MY QUESTIONS.
UM, SO YOU MEAN LISTENING FROM, UM, THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER? UM, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND SO WE DO, UM, DO, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE, FOR THE NO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE, WE HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS.
OH, YOU HAVE OTHER SPEAKER? YEAH, THAT WAS JUST THE APPLICANT.
YEAH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA ASK HIM A QUESTION.
UM, LET'S GO WITH, UH, DAISY ALTAR.
BE FOLLOWED BY ALEX FERNANDEZ.
GOOD, GOOD EVENING, MAJOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UH, MY NAME IS DAISY ALCANTAR AND I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THIS VACANT LOT.
TONIGHT I AM ASKING YOU TO DENY THE SEWN VARIANCE TO DEVIATE FROM THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR A LOT AREA STREET FRONTAGE AND SETBACKS.
AS A NURSE, MY PRIMARY FOCUS IS SAFETY AND RISK MITIGATION.
AS A NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, I KNOW EXACTLY HOW DANGEROUS IT WILL BE IF YOU ALLOW THIS DEVELOPER TO IGNORE OUR CITY'S STANDARDS, SPACING RULES.
FIRST, THE LOT AREA IS SIMPLY TOO SMALL FOR TWO HOMES.
SHOVING A PRIMARY HOUSE IN AN A DU ON THIS TINY PIECE OF LAND LEAVES NO OPEN SPACE.
SECOND, THE LACK OF PROPER SETBACKS MEANS THESE STRUCTURES WILL BE BUILT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINES IN THE MEDICAL EMERGENCY OR FIRE EVERY SECOND COUNTS.
CUTTING THE SETBACKS ELIMINATES VITAL SPACING.
IT PHYSICALLY BLOCKS ACCESS FOR PARAMEDICS AND FIREFIGHTERS MAKING IT HARDER FOR THEM TO REACH THIS LOT OR MY OWN HOME TO SAVE LIVES.
FINALLY, THE PROPERTY LACKS PROPER STREET FRONTAGE AND HAS NO DRIVER OR ANY SITE PARKING.
OUR STREET IS ALREADY PACKED WITH CARS.
ADDING TWO HOUSEHOLDS RIGHT NEXT TO RIGHT NEXT DOOR WITH ZERO PARKING WILL CREATE A TOTAL GRID LOCK.
THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN AN AMBULANCE GETS STUCK OR CANNOT PULL UP INTO A HOUSE BECAUSE A STREET IS COMPLETELY BLOCKED.
DELAYS LIKE, LIKE THIS COST LIVES.
THIS IS NOT JUST A PARKING INCONVENIENCE FOR ME.
IT IS A DIRECT PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE FOR EVERYONE ON OUR BLOCK.
THE CITY HAS MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR LOT AREA FRONTAGE AND SETBACKS FOR A REASON TO KEEP THE PUBLIC SAFE.
GIVEN THIS PROJECT A PASS CREATES A DANGEROUS ENVIRONMENT, PLEASE PUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY FIRST AND DENY THE EXPERIENCE.
GOOD EVENING, MARIN CITY COUNCIL.
I HOPE YOU ALL ARE DOING WELL TODAY.
THE EAST FIFTH, UH, STREET PARCEL, UH, ACCORDING TO THE LANGUAGE PRESENTED IN THE REQUEST, ALONG WITH SUPPORT FROM WEST WEBSTER'S, DIP DICTIONARY STATES THE WORDS SUBSTANDARD, WHICH MEANS BELOW THE REQUIREMENTS OR INFERIOR OR SECOND RATE CONSTRAINT LIMITATIONS RESTRICTED THE LOT IS HALF THE SIZE OF THE REQUIRED SIZE.
NO ROOM FOR RESIDENT IN A DU OF TYPICAL SIZE.
ONCE AGAIN, THE LANGUAGE IS STATED IN THE REQUEST.
THIS IS NOT MY WORDS AND THIS IS THE WORDS OF THE REQUEST.
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WE KNOW RULES ARE SET IN PLACE FOR A REASON.WHY ARE THE RULES, ACTS, AND REGULATIONS SET FORTH NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN THEY ARE PUT IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE WELLBEING OF OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY ACCORDING TO THE LANGUAGE SHOWN FORTH IN THE REQUEST VARIANCES ARE INTENDED TO EXTRA ORDINARY REMEDIES AND MAY ONLY BE AWARDED OR GRANTED WHERE LEGAL SUFFICIENT FINDINGS CAN BE MADE DEMONSTRATING THE EXISTENCE OF SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES UNIQUE TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AT THIS TIME, THERE'S NO APPEARANCE OF HARDSHIP OR UNIQUE PHYSICAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
I OBJECT THE PROPOSED EXEMPTION UNDER THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT CA BECAUSE THE PRO PROJECT DOES NOT APPEAR TO CONTAIN SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE SUFFICIENT TO SUPPORT THE CITY'S RESOLUTION THAT THE PROJECT QUALIFIES FOR, SUCH AS EXEMPTION UNDER CQA SECTION 15 3 0 AN EXEMPTION MAY ONLY BE APPLIED WHERE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE IS DEMONSTRATED.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE ON ZOOM FOR THIS ONE, DO WE? WE DON'T, BUT I DO.
WANNA STATE FOR THE RECORD, THE TWO WRITTEN COMMENTS FROM ALEXANDER FERNANDEZ AND WILLIAM MCCALL.
WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK YOU ON THAT AND, UH, WAS THERE, HUH? NO, YOU DID NOT, BUT I WILL.
UH, EDO, I JUST FOUND A SLIP HERE, THE ONE PROBABLY IN YOUR HAND.
I JUST SAW THIS, AND I WAS ACTUALLY WORRIED THAT NO NEIGHBORS OR ANYBODY WOULD COME FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SAY ANY WORDS ON THIS.
I LOOKED AT THIS AND, YOU KNOW, IT FOLDS INTO THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE THESE NEW, UH, HOMEOWNERS ARE PROBABLY NOT AWARE OF.
THERE'S A LOT OF HIGH DENSITY LIVING IN, IN, IN DEVELOPMENT IN NASHVILLE CITY, AND WE'RE, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, THEY'RE PROBABLY CAUGHT IN THE MIDST OF SOME MISTRUST IN DEVELOPERS THAT ARE COMING TO THE CITY AND TRYING TO FLIP PROPERTIES.
AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THOSE WHO LIVE HERE IS BEING AFFECTED.
AND WE SEE IT AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
SO, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING, I LOOKED AT THIS PLAN AND, UH, I LOOKED AT IT AND I SAID, WELL, WHAT'S THE CHOICE HERE? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHO WOULD WANT THEIR NEIGHBORS TO, TO MOVE INTO A HOUSE WHERE THE SETBACKS ARE SO CLOSE THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN GET THROUGH 'EM? YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF PLANNING IS THAT? YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT JUST DOESN'T, FOR SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T EVEN LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHO WOULD WALK IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD WANNA SEE SOMETHING NICE THAT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF SETBACK, HAS A DRIVEWAY, AND SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FOR, FOR, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, I HOPE THAT THESE DEVELOPERS OR OWNERS WHO HAVE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT AND KEEP AND BE COMFORTABLE, AND FEELING THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE BUILDING A HOUSE WITH GOOD NEIGHBORS IF THEY BUILT A GOOD QUALITY HOUSE.
SO I WOULD SU I HOPE YOU GUYS, UM, DENY THIS APPEARANCE.
WITH THAT, UH, THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS WE HAVE.
CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO, MOVE MR. CHAIR, AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
THIS IS JUST TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ITSELF.
SO WITH THAT, UH, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION TO APPROVE FOR COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH ABSENT.
UM, NOW, UH, YEAH, I, I KNOW YOU WERE WANTING TO SPEAK SOMETHING.
YEAH, I'M THINKING MAYOR, I, I WAS JUST CONFUSED BY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE, UH, APPLICANT EARLIER AND ALSO THE, UH, THE, UM, THE APPLICATION BEFORE US, UM, HE SAID THAT HE'S GOING TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
IT'S A TWO STORY, BUT, SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO, MR. WELCH? UM, THE, THE APPLICANT ALREADY SAID HE WILL BUILD THE, UM, THE RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING.
BUT YOU STILL PUT THE, THE, AS YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE, UM, THE GRANTING OF THE VARIANCE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY, UM, SINGLE STORY RESIDENCE WITH THE A DU.
SO WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO HERE, SIR?
THAT'S WHAT ONE OF THE CHOICES WE HAVE, BUT, OKAY.
B, IF, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE, YOU EITHER HAVE TO GO WITH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, A, WHICH IS WHAT THEIR ORIGINAL
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PROPOSAL IS, OR B, WHICH IS A RECOMMENDATION, OR MAKE SOME CHANGES OFF OF THAT.SO I CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION.
UM, THIS APPLICATION HAS ALREADY BEEN HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, AT PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE WERE TWO EXHIBITS SHOWN, EXHIBIT A AND EXHIBIT B.
UM, BECAUSE WE HAD A PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION, IT MADE SENSE TO ALLOW CITY COUNCIL TO SEE THE EXACT SAME THING.
PLANNING COMMISSION SAW, YOU KNOW, PLANNING STAFF REPORT WAS ALSO, UM, REALLY ONLY REVISED TO SHOW A LITTLE MORE CLARITY AND TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO IN THE TIMEFRAME BETWEEN PLANNING COMMISSION IN MARCH AND TODAY, THE APPLICANT, THEIR, THEIR MIND WAS STARTING TO FOCUS ON SOME OTHER ASPECTS OF THE, THEIR DESIGN.
SO WHAT YOU HEARD HERE TONIGHT WAS THE OWNER SAYING, I WOULD PREFER THE TWO STORY, BECAUSE AFTER HEARING FROM THE NEIGHBORS, I LIKE THE IDEA OF ADDING PARKING.
AND THAT TWO STORY DESIGN GIVES ME A, A MORE AREA TO WORK WITH TO PROVIDE THAT PARKING.
SO, UM, YOU DID HEAR THAT FROM THE OWNER.
SO THERE IS A STATED PREFERENCE FOR THAT EXHIBIT B, WHICH WAS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION.
NOW TO TALK ABOUT PARKING, PARKING IS NOT NECESSARILY WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE VARIANCE REQUEST.
HOWEVER, UM, PARKING IS, IS AFFECTED BY ONE THING, WHICH IS THE SETBACKS.
PARKING HAS TO MEET A FRONT YARD SETBACK.
SO CURRENTLY EXHIBIT B HAS A 16 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK REQUEST.
IT WAS INTENDED TO HAVE GREATER SETBACKS 'CAUSE OF THE TWO STORIES.
HOWEVER, UM, IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE THAT PARKING IF, IF THE SETBACKS WERE GREATER OR LESSER.
SO THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED BY COUNSEL, UM, IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO.
UM, AND THERE IS ANOTHER STEP TO APPROVAL FOR PARKING.
UM, THE FRONTAGE IS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR A DRIVEWAY, SO THEY HAVE TO GET SPECIAL PERMISSION THROUGH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THE TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, UH, WHICH I BELIEVE COMES TO COUNCIL.
UM, SO THEY HAVE, THAT'S THE PRIMARY REASON FOR NOT UPDATING THE DESIGNS, NOT GOING BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION TO ADD THAT PARKING.
THAT CAN ALL BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH A SEPARATE PROCESS, AND IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A SEPARATE PROCESS.
SO IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO TRY AND ADD A CARPORT ON THE DESIGN.
NOW, WHAT MADE SENSE WAS TO ALLOW COUNCIL TO SEE THIS VARI VARIANCE REQUEST, UH, VIEW IT IN TERMS OF SETBACKS, NOT NECESSARILY GET CAUGHT UP IN WHAT HAPPENS WITHIN THAT SETBACKS, AND THEN ALLOW IT TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND STAFF AND ENGINEERING CAN HANDLE THE, THE REST OF IT TO SEE IF WE CAN FEASIBLY ADD THAT PARKING SPACE VIA CARPORT GARAGE OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
DOES THAT KIND OF HELP OUT FOLLOW THROUGH MR. CHAIR? OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN.
UM, SO DURING THAT TIME, FROM MARCH TILL NOW, THE PROPERTY OWNER REALIZED THAT THIS WILL BE A BETTER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN BETTER, UM, DEVELOPMENT FOR HIM, UM, BASED ON PROVIDING EXHIBIT B BASED ON THE PROVISION OF A BETTER SETBACK.
STILL NOT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE STANDARD SETBACK, BUT AT LEAST IT'S, IT GIVES THEM MORE ROOM FOR THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY SAID THEY WILL DO.
BUT, SO MY THING RIGHT NOW IS, UM, MR. MAYOR, UM, IT, IT'S JUST THE, THE COMMISSION ALREADY APPROVED THIS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF A PLAN.
SO WE HAVE TO, MY, MY, MY CONCLUSION IS DO WE HAVE TO DENY BECAUSE THE VARIANCE IS NOT MET AND THEN GO WITH THE PLAN B AND COME BACK WITH THE BETTER DESIGN WITH, WITH THE, THE RIGHT SETBACK? MAYBE? NO, BECAUSE I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU COME, YOU WOULD STILL NEED TO GO DO A SEPARATE PROCESS FOR THE, UH, THE DRIVEWAY AND, UM, UH, FOR THE OFF STREET PARKING.
IT FOR CLARIFICATION IS THE QUESTION, IF YOU WANTED TO APPROVE A DIFFERENT SETBACK THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN EXHIBIT B, WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE? NO, SIR.
I, I AM LOOKING AT YOUR EXHIBIT B SETBACK FOR FRONT 16 FOR SIDE, UM, EAST AND WEST IS, YOU KNOW, 3.6 AND 4.0, AND THE REAR IS 11.4.
I'M SEEING A MORE, YOU KNOW, I'M IN A BETTER ROOM THERE FOR THE, THE DOUBLE THE TWO STORY, THIS EXHIBIT B DESIGN, ACCORDING TO YOUR REPORT HERE.
SO CURRENTLY EXHIBIT B IS WHAT'S IN THE DRAFT STAFF OR DRAFT RESOLUTION FOR APPROVAL.
IF THAT IS THE DESIGN THAT THE COUNCIL BELIEVES MAKES SENSE, IT WOULD JUST BE APPROVAL
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OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.AND THEN THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO COME, THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO DO THE DRIVEWAY AND OFF STREET PARKING.
THE, THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS FOR, BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE STEP.
THE APPLICANT WOULD BE JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING PERMIT, THE REQUEST FOR A DRIVEWAY WITH, OR A CURB CUT OF GREATER THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED IT.
CURRENTLY, IT'S THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR A CURB CUT IS IT'S 40% OR LESS OF THE FRONTAGE.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET SPECIAL PERMISSION FOR A SLIGHTLY BIGGER CURB CUT THAN WHAT'S NORMALLY ALLOWED.
AND THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE PROCESS THAT COULD BE DONE CONCURRENTLY WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? UH, I, I'M, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE APPROVING SOMETHING RIGHT NOW, THE VARIANCE ON EXHIBIT B.
UM, AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE PARKING OR THIS PROMISE TO COME BACK FOR PARKING, AND, AND THEN WHAT IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN? WHAT IF, YOU KNOW, THEN, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN? AND I KNOW THE
RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO.
THAT'S, I'M TRYING TO, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA TO CONVERSATION.
I REQUEST A LITTLE BIT OF PATIENCE HERE BECAUSE THAT, THAT THAT'S HOW THE CONVERSATION HAS TO HAPPEN, UM, IN THIS SETTING, IN THIS FORMAT.
UM, I'M, WHAT I'M GETTING AT DAVID, IS, IS SHOULD WE HOLD OFF ON THE DECISION TONIGHT FOR THE VARIANCE AND, UM, COME BACK WITH A, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF DECISION THAT DOES INCLUDE THE PARKING COULD, LET ME ASK, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, OR WHAT THE MAYOR, I THINK SAY, CAN WE PUT A CONDITION OF APPRO A CONDITION ON APPROVAL IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER APPROVING THAT PLAN, THAT WOULD SAY THAT THOSE CONDITIONS HAVE TO BE MET, WHICH WOULD BE THE OFF THE OFF STREET PARKING.
SO STATE LAW WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO DO THAT.
SO STATE LAW AB 2097 SAYS THAT WE CANNOT ENFORCE ANY MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITHIN HALF A MILE OF A MAJOR TRANSIT STOP, WHICH IS PROPERTY IS.
SO WE CANNOT CONDITION THIS PROP, OUR PROJECT ON PARKING.
WE CAN ONLY BE LOOKING AT THE VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUESTED, WHICH IS NOT RELATED TO THE PARKING.
HOWEVER, PARKING DOES HAVE TO MEET A FRONT YARD SETBACK.
SO THAT WOULD PICK THE, THAT WOULD IMPACT HOW IT'S DESIGNED LATER ON, DEPENDING ON WHAT SETBACK WAS APPROVED.
DOES THE CURRENT DESIGN OF EXHIBIT B ALLOW FOR AN OFF STREET PARKING? I HAVE POSED THAT QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT.
NO, THIS, I, I KNOW THIS IS MORE, WE'RE TALKING PROCEDURE NOW MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
SO, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS OF STATE LAW AS USUAL, PREVENTS US FROM DOING SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING THING, UM, WHICH IN THIS CASE, SORRY, TRUE MAYOR.
UH, WHICH IN THIS CASE WOULD BE TO, TO GET THE PROCESS TO, TO MOVE FASTER IF WE WERE TO GO, IF WE WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE.
AND, UM, LET ME JUST SAY, AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS ABOUT THIS BEING, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANDARD IT BEING, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, TWO, UH, 2,500 SQUARE FOOT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF 2,500 SQUARE FOOT LOTS IN NASHVILLE CITY.
I'M AFRAID BEING AN OLDER CITY THAT HAPPENS.
UH, AND AT THE SAME TIME WITH THE AMOUNT OF KAGE, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME LOTS, ESPECIALLY ONES THAT ARE ON CUL-DE-SACS, WHERE THE PROPERTY MAY BE, IT COULD BE 15,000 SQUARE FOOT, BUT BECAUSE WITH A CUL-DE-SAC, IT GETS, IT GETS SMALLER UP TO THE FRONT AND YOU MAY ONLY HAVE 20 FEET UP AT THE FRONT OR 10 FEET UP AT THE FRONT.
AND SO YOU GOT VERY LITTLE AMOUNT.
SO, UH, FOR THAT REASON, THAT'S REASON IT SAYS THAT VARIANCES ARE FOR WHEN, AND IT GIVES SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, AND IT IS, UH, IRREGULAR SIZED OR UNDERSIZED OR WHATEVER.
YOU STILL HAVE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO DEVELOP, AND THEN IT'S GONNA INVOLVE A VARIANCE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
SO, SO IT'S NOT WRONG TO SAY THAT THERE CAN'T BE VARIANCES AND THAT THEY, THEY HAVE TO BE THE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT.
IT'S, IT'S THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, REALIZING THE REALITY IS WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THOSE PROPERTIES, UH, THAT ALREADY EXIST IN OUR, IN OUR CITY.
UM, PARTICULARLY BEING AN OLDER CITY THAT HAS THOSE REALLY SMALL LOTS, UH, OR HAS AN IRREGULAR SHAPE OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE THAT DOESN'T FIT THE, THE STANDARD.
THE DEAL IS IF YOU'VE GOT A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND IT'S GOT 50 50 FEET OF FRONTAGE BY RIGHT, YOU CAN BUILD, YOU DON'T NEED A VARIANCE, YOU DO IT BY RIGHT.
AND IT'S JUST WHEN THE, THE LOT IS DIFFERENT OR SOMETHING, THEN YOU HAVE TO, THEN YOU HAVE TO SEEK VARI VARIANCE.
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BUT YOU'RE SAYING, UM, MR. WELCH, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING THAT THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM TO, WITH THAT, WITH THE CURRENT SETBACK ON EXHIBIT B, NOT A, AND SAY, I WOULD BE TOTALLY GONNA SAY, UH, BUT THAT ON B, THAT THERE WOULD BE ROOM FOR AN OFF STREET PARKING.SO THE, SHE SPEAK THE MINIMUM SIZE FOR A, A CARPORT OR A GARAGE FOR A ONE CAR GARAGE IS 11 BY, UM, 19 INTERIOR SPACE.
UM, IF YOU REMOVE THE FOUR FOOT AND THREE AND A HALF FOOT, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE PLENTY SUFFICIENT TO MEET TO 11 FOOT AND ADDITIONAL LIVING SPACE AS WELL.
AND THEN THE DEPTH OF THE LOT IS, I BELIEVE A HUNDRED.
UM, IF WE HAVE A SETBACK OF 16 FEET IN THE FRONT, WHICH HAS SHOWN, ONCE AGAIN, IT GIVES PLENTY OF SPACE.
BUT AS FAR AS LIKE QUALITY LIVING SPACE, RIGHT, UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS STATED IS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THAT SECOND STORY TO HAVE ROOM FOR BEDROOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO WE CAN REASONABLY USE OUR FLOOR PLAN.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THEY STATED TO ME.
UM, YEAH, AND A COUPLE THINGS, ONE THING I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE USED THE TERM, UM, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
THIS IS, AND WE'RE USING, ONCE AGAIN, STATE LAW, WHICH IS VERY POORLY WRITTEN, UH, THAT USES, ALLOWS YOU TO DO A LOT OF SE UH, WHAT I'M GONNA CALL CREATIVE SEMANTICS AROUND AN A DU.
THIS IS A DUPLEX, IT'S A MULTIFAMILY HOUSE.
IT'S, IT, IT IT'S TWO DIFFERENT LIVING UNITS THAT'S MULTIFAMILY.
AND SO I KNOW, MAYBE NOT BY STATE LAW BECAUSE A, THE SEMANTICS IN A DU, BUT THE REALITY IS, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE REALITY.
I KNOW STATE LAW HAS VERY POOR DEFINITIONS.
COULD WE HAD YOUR CHANCE UP HERE? YOU CAN'T BE SPEAKING OUTTA THE AUDIENCE.
UM, SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I JUST WANTED, AS LONG AS WE REALIZE THIS IS A MULTI-FAMILY STRUCTURE, IT'S SET UP FOR A FAMILY DOWNSTAIRS, TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH, TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH UPSTAIRS, SEPARATE UNITS.
UM, AND AS I SAY, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
AND I, I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT IF IT WAS ALL SINGLE, UH, SINGLE STORY AROUND IT.
BUT YOU DON'T, YOU GOT TWO STORY RIGHT NEXT TO IT, SO YOU'RE NOT, IT'S NOT CHANGING THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
UH, I SAY I'M JUST TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE REALITY.
I'M NOT SPEAKING AGAINST THE PROJECT OR FOR IT, JUST TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE REALITIES HERE.
UM, BUT AS I SAY IT, UM, BUT AS I SAY, EXHIBIT A IS, TO ME, I TOTALLY, YOU OUTTA THE PICTURE AND, UH, 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO FAMILIES THERE, YOU GOT ABSOLUTELY NO ROOM THERE.
AND I'M ASSUMING WITH TWO UNITS LIKE THAT, MOST LIKELY YOU GOT KIDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND YOU'RE GONNA GIVE THEM, WHAT, THREE AND A HALF FEET ON EACH SIDE AND, AND BASICALLY NOTHING IN THE BACK.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S THE KINDA STUFF THAT DOES RUIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
EXHIBIT B IS A DIFFERENT STORY AND UH, UH, I JUST WANNA KNOW HOW THAT WE CAN GET TO THE DEAL TO WHERE WE CAN BE ASSURED IF WE GET AN OFF, OFF STREET SITE FOR PARKING.
IT WOULD ALSO, WOULD THERE STILL BE ROOM FOR ONE ON STREET PARKING SITE IN FRONT OF THAT WITH IF WE WAS TO PUT IN A, UH, A DRIVEWAY? OR WOULD IT ELIMINATE THAT? SO, SO THE WIDTH OF THE SITE IS 25 FEET, SO THAT ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE REMOVING AN ON STREET TO GET AN OFF STREET.
SO IT'S, IT'S NO NET GAIN IN PARKING SPACES TO DO THAT.
BUT I SAY IF YOU BUT 25 FEET FROM MOST CARS, YOU CAN GET TWO, TWO CARS THERE.
AND, UH, ARE YOU MEAN WELL, I, WELL, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CADILLACS, BUT, BUT MOST STANDARD, MOST STANDARD CARS ANYMORE, UH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN BASICALLY GET TWO CARS.
BUT IF YOU, I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU GET A DRIVEWAY, WOULD YOU STILL HAVE ROOM THERE FOR ONE OFF STREET PARKING SITE? NO, A STANDARD PARALLEL PARKING SPOT IS ABOUT 22 FEET.
BUT ANYWAY, BUT, BUT WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE, SO YOU'RE SAYING THE MECHANISM WOULD BE THAT IF THERE WAS, IF WE WAS CONSIDERING APPROVAL, THAT THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE OTHER AND, BUT WE DON'T HAVE NO WAY OF PUTTING THAT WITHIN A CONDITION WITHIN, WITHIN THIS FRAMEWORK.
AND I WOULD ALSO FURTHER CAUTION ABOUT THE PARKING, BECAUSE IF IT WAS APPROVED WITH A GARAGE, THERE WOULD BE NOTHING THAT COULD STOP THAT OWNER FROM CONVERTING THAT TO AN ADU LATER ON AS WELL.
SO I MEAN, TO HAVE ANY REQUIREMENT BASED ON PARKING DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A GARAGE.
SO THAT'S, UH, YEAH, INDIFFERENT.
I KNOW YOU'RE JUST BEGGING, SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU ONE MINUTE.
SO MAYBE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS OF HAVING PARKING PROBLEM
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IS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND DOESN'T PARK THE CARS IN THE GARAGE.THEY USE THE GARAGE AS A STORAGE OR ON PERMIT AND CONVERTING, UM, THE STUDIOS MM-HMM
SO, UM, IF EVERYONE THAT HAS A GARAGE WOULD PARK THE CARS IN THE GARAGE, MAYBE THAT WOULD NOT BE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM OF IT.
SO THAT IS ANOTHER POINT THAT I WANNA BRING IT UP.
SO MAYBE THEY'VE TURNED THEIR GARAGE INTO AN A DU TO A STORAGE, WHICH, OR A JDU EXACTLY.
WHICH IS WHAT YOU WANNA PUT AN A DU HERE? SO SAYING THAT NO, NO, I'M, I'M PROPOSING A CARPORT IS A OPEN SPACE FOR PARKING.
BUT IF WE CAN GET THAT IN THERE.
UH, I WANNA GROUND US IN THIS CONVERSATION, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE IS ABOUT SETBACKS.
THIS IS ABOUT SETBACKS, RIGHT.
ARE WE OKAY WITH DEVIATING SETBACKS FROM MX TWO RS TWO RS TWO? YES.
THAT IS WHAT'S, UH, BEFORE US.
AND SO I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING MM-HMM
IT'S NOT A MANDATE TO HAVE PARKING BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO HIGHLAND AVENUE, WHICH IS ONE OF THEIR BUSIEST, UH, TRANSIT CORRIDORS IN THE CITY.
UM, SO THIS IS REALLY JUST ABOUT SETBACKS BEFORE US.
AND I ALSO WANNA GROUND US IN THE WHOLE CONVERSATION AROUND HOUSING BECAUSE THEY'RE, UH, NOT, NOT EVERYBODY HAS A LUXURY OF LIVING IN A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT OVERSEEING THE CITY.
UH, AND A LOT OF OUR CITY IN DOWNTOWN OR IN THE BUSIER NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE VERY SMALL LOTS AND ARE RIGHT NEXT TO TRANSIT CORRIDORS, UM, AND ARE OFTENTIMES EMPTY LOTS THAT ARE BLIGHTED AND FULL OF TRASH THAT WE MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT.
AND SO, UM, UH, THIS PART OF TOWN IN PARTICULAR IS ALSO RIGHT FOR REDEVELOPMENT.
UH, WE'VE BEEN ENCOURAGING A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS TO APPLY THROUGH A PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY THEMSELVES DEVELOP IN THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
UM, UH, AND JUST TO CORRECT IS THIS, UH, WHAT IS THE, UM, HEIGHT, UH, RESTRICTION ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT? THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT FOR A RS TWO ZONE LOT IS 35 FEET AND TWO, TWO STORIES.
THEORETICALLY, THEY COULD APPLY FOR AN ADDITIONAL STORY, OR IT IS JUST CORRECT.
WE ACTUALLY HAD A VARIANCE, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO THAT APPLIED FOR THREE STORIES.
UM, TO CREATE A LARGER HOUSE THAT, THAT DID OCCUR.
SO, UM, IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THE REALITY OF CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE LIVE IN.
AND, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FORTUNATELY THE WAY, THE WAY IT IS.
UH, THE OTHER CONCERN THOUGH, THE VERY SERIOUS CONCERN IS THE SETBACKS WITH NEIGHBORS.
'CAUSE OFTENTIMES A THREE AND A HALF FOOT SETBACK IS JUST NOT ENOUGH.
AND, AND SO I DO HAVE SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
AND, UM, THE PARKING IS ALSO A CONCERN, ALTHOUGH I WOULD QUESTION HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS IT ACTUALLY REMOVES, BECAUSE I THINK IT HAS DIAGONAL PARKING IN FRONT OF THAT STREET.
IS IT DIAGONAL OR IS IT HORIZONTAL? I'M WONDERING HOW MANY, UM, AS A RESULT, IF THEY DECIDE IF THEY MAKE A FINANCIAL DECISION TO ACTUALLY HAVE A, UH, CARPORT OR A, UM, GARAGE, UH, UH, THEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE TAKEN AWAY PARKING THAT'S ALREADY AVAILABLE ON THE STREET, CORRECT? I, I WOULD SAY SO.
'CAUSE IT, I BELIEVE I DROVE BY THERE RECENTLY.
I BELIEVE IT'S STILL PARALLEL.
I KNOW THIS, SOMETIMES THERE'S CONVERSIONS TO ANGLED PARKING.
IT MAY BE ANGLED ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S STILL PARALLEL.
IT'S PARALLEL ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT.
SO IF YOU TRICK, JUST GO WITH THE GEOMETRY, A 25 FOOT LOT IS GONNA HOST ONE ON STREET PARKING SPACE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST HORIZONTAL.
SO I MEAN, I AM, I'M, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE, UH, GENERALLY OF, UM, EXHIBIT B WITH THE EXCEPTION OF EXPANDING THE SETBACKS FROM THREE AND A HALF FEET PROPOSED TO FIVE FEET.
AND, UM, I MEAN, I, I ACTUALLY THINK THEY, UH, ALTHOUGH WE CAN'T MANDATE THIS, I DO THINK THEY WOULD MAKE A FINANCIAL DECISION TO ACTUALLY GO FORWARD WITH PARKING BECAUSE SELLING A HOUSE WITH PARKING AND SELLING A HOUSE WITHOUT PARKING, I THINK THERE IS A, UM, A MUCH STRONGER INCENTIVE TO HAVE A PARKING SPOT.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I, I THINK THEY WOULD PROBABLY MAKE A FINANCIAL DECISION TO DO THAT.
AND WOULD THEY STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO, THE VARIANCE ALREADY WENT INTO PLACE SO THEY COULD ACTUALLY BUILD AN ADDITIONAL STORY IF THEY WISH TO IN THE FUTURE? YES.
IF, IF WE'RE APPROVING EXHIBIT B PLANNING COMMISSIONS, COMMISSIONS RECOMMENDATION, WE HAVE AN EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS A TWO STORY DESIGN.
UM, SO ANY PERMIT THAT CAME IN WITH A TWO TWO STORY DESIGN WOULD BE DEEMED CONSISTENT WITH THAT APPROVAL.
UM, AS FAR AS THE FIVE FOOT SETBACKS, UM, AGAIN, I MENTIONED EARLIER BUILDING CODES CAN CONSTRAIN A WAR PLAN BASED ON THAT.
UM, HOWEVER, IT, WE WOULD LIKELY END UP WITH A,
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A DESIGN WITH FOUR FOOT SETBACKS, WHICH IS ALSO PROTECTED BY ANOTHER STATE LAW, SB NINE.SO A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT CAN COME IN WITH FOUR FOOT SETBACKS UNDER STATE LAW.
UM, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF EXHIBIT B, EXPANDING THE, UH, AMOUNT OF SETBACKS TO, UM, WHATEVER THE STATE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE, FOUR FEET.
UM, AND I ACTUALLY THINK THE DEVELOPER WOULD, UH, MAKE A WISE CHOICE AND PROVIDE PARKING BECAUSE HE WOULD PROBABLY BE ABLE BE ABLE TO SELL IT.
UM, UH, BUT I, BUT I, I WOULD, UH, I UNDERSTAND THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN A VERY CONTENTIOUS PROCESS WITH, UH, NEIGHBORS MM-HMM
AND, AND, AND SO I DO ENCOURAGE, UM, UH, THE DEVELOPERS TO, UH, WORK WITH, UH, NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE AND, AND HAVE GOOD CONVERSATIONS.
IF A PROJECT MOVES FORWARD AND YOU DECIDE TO BUILD, THERE'S ALWAYS ISSUES THAT HAPPEN DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.
YOU KNOW, AND HAVING GOOD, UH, WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH NEIGHBORS IS CRITICAL TO MAKE SURE THAT PROJECTS ARE SUCCESSFUL AND THEN WE'RE ABLE TO BUILD HOUSING FOR OUR COMMUNITY IN NEED.
UM, AND AT THE SAME TIME RESPECTING OUR NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UM, SO THE DIAGRAM SHOWS THREE FEET OF, UM, VARIANCE.
THE EXHIBIT B FROM PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION HAD, UM, 16 FEET IN THE FRONT, FOUR FEET ON THE WEST, THREE AND A HALF FEET ON THE EAST.
AND HOW ABOUT THREE FEET IN THE REAR? AND REMEMBER RODRIGUEZ JUST SAID FOUR FEET.
YOU SAID HOW MANY FEET IN THE REAR? SIX FEET? LET ME CHECK MY DIAGRAM.
I I THINK YOU GOT THE, I THINK YOU GOT THE TWO 'EM MIXED UP THERE.
AND, AND WE WERE DISCUSSING EXHIBIT, I THINK I WAS CONFUSING A AND B.
11, 11.4 IS WHAT THEY SHOWED ON THERE.
UM, SORRY, DAVID, FOR FOR CLARITY, CAN YOU TELL ME THE, THE VARIANCES AGAIN FOR EXHIBIT B ALL THE WAY AROUND? CORRECT.
UM, SO THEY REQUESTED, OR WHAT WAS IN EXHIBIT B WAS 16 FEET IN THE FRONT, THREE FEET, SIX INCHES ON THE EAST SIDE, FOUR FEET ON THE WEST SIDE, AND 11 FEET, FOUR INCHES ON THE REAR.
PART OF THE STAFF REPORT WAS MODIFIED BY ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER.
SO, SO HERE'S THE, THE, THE PICTURE UP ON THE BOARD.
EXHIBIT B, THERE'S ONE THAT HAS THE SETBACKS WRONG ON IT, I THINK.
THERE IS ONE THAT HAS THE GREEN LINES ON IT.
BUT YOU, IT LOOK, IT APPEARS 14 FEET IS CORRECT.
AND THE, THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM HERE IS THREE AND SIX.
THE, THE, THE BOTTOM IS FOUR FEET.
SO THE ONE ON THE TOP IS THREE AND A HALF, THREE FEET AND SIX INCHES.
CAN THE TOP ONE BE FOUR FEET? UM, THAT WAS THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL MEMBER, RIGHT, RODRIGUEZ? SO OKAY.
TO MAKE BOTH OF THEM FOUR FEET.
BOTH OF THEM FOUR FEET TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE MOM.
AND IS THAT FEASIBLE TO THE DEVELOPER? I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA APPROVE TODAY? WELL, BUT WHOEVER CAN SPEAK FOR THE DEVELOPER.
YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE 'CAUSE IT WON'T PICK UP YOU BACK THERE.
SO WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR, YOUR, MY QUESTION IS THE MOTION PROPOSED BY MEMBER RODRIGUEZ IS TO, UM, MAKE THE DESIGN, UH, ALLOW THE VARIANCE TO BE FOUR FEET ON EACH SIDE? ON EACH SIDE.
UM, THAT WAS VERY CHALLENGING.
'CAUSE THE LOT IS VERY NARROW TO MAKE THE PROJECT FEASIBLE.
BUT I THINK SIX INCHES THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH, I DON'T THINK WOULD BE, WE WOULD JUST SQUEEZE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE OWNER HAS THE INTENTION TO HAVE JUST ONE VALUE UNIT FROM NOW ON.
UH, SO THEN WE CAN TRANSFER THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM THE A DU TO THE HOUSE AND THEN WE CAN SQUEEZE A LITTLE BIT, I THINK WOULD BE PROBABLY POSSIBLE.
AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EXHIBIT B.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, SO THERE IS NO A DU ANYMORE THAT, THAT IS THE PLAN.
WE DON'T WANNA DO DWELLING UNIT.
OKAY, BECAUSE I JUST HEARD YOU SAY A DU HUH? I JUST HEARD YOU SAY A DU.
NO, I DIDN'T, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY SQUEEZE SOMETHING FROM A DU TO,
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SO OH NO, WE, OH, WE WOULD GET THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE OFF THE A DU TO PUT ON THE DWELLING UNIT.SO THEN WE'LL HAVE MORE SPACE TO SURE.
WE HAVE MORE, UH, UH, SPACE TO WORK WITH.
BUT PARTICULARLY WITH THE UPPER UNIT, YOUR ENTRANCE IS GONNA BE FROM THE REAR.
SO TO HAVE, I THINK THAT THAT CLEARANCE TO GET DOWN THROUGH THERE, TO TAKE FURNITURE IN THERE, IN AND OUT OR ANYTHING ELSE.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT EXTRA SIX INCHES DOES MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
THROUGH THE NEIGHBOR IS, THEY'RE NARROW, BUT MOST OF 'EM, BUT YOUR ENTRANCE IS AT THE FRONT, UH, FOR YOUR A DU THERE, THAT TOP FLOOR, YOUR INTEREST IS GONNA BE AT THE REAR.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA HAVE THAT SPACE.
SO WAS THAT MEAN THE FORM OF A MOTION? UH, MEMBER RODRIGUEZ? I WILL MAKE THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION.
SO IT WAS TO ACCEPT, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION OF EXHIBIT B.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT, THE SETBACKS FOR EACH SIDE WOULD BE AT FOUR FEET.
UH, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WOULD THIS COME BACK TO COUNSEL AS THEY ARE TRYING TO CREATE A, UH, DRIVE-IN, OR IT WOULD JUST BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY THROUGH, UH, UH, THROUGH A SEPARATE COMMISSION? UM, PLANNING IS NOT INVOLVED IN THE REQUEST FOR, UH, UH, EXCEEDING THE 40% FRONTAGE.
UM, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CITY ENGINEERING PROCESS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL OR YOU'D HAVE TO, MAYBE ENGINEERING COULD HELP US.
I'M LOOKING AT, I'M LOOKING AT STEVE MARTA, BUT NO, I THINK, I THINK IT DOES, I WOULD'VE TO CHECK.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT IN THIS ADMINISTRATIVELY.
SO, SO THIS WOULD COME BACK TO COUNSEL WITH THE PARKING AT THAT TIME MM-HMM
AT, AT SOME POINT WOULD, BUT WOULD THAT HAVE TO COME BACK AS, AS FAR AS A HEARING PROCESS OR WE JUST, NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A, IT'S, IT'S A VARIANCE TO, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE STANDARDS WE HAVE IS THE DRIVEWAY SHOULD NOT TAKE UP MORE THAN 40% OF THE FRONTAGE, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A NARROW, A NARROW FRONTAGE, THEY WANT TO PUT A DRIVEWAY, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A VARIANCE.
AND THAT WOULD COME BACK, UH, IN THE FORM OF RESOLUTION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE HEARING PROCESS.
GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION, EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO IT'S, IT'S A MUCH SIMPLER PROCESS.
ANYTHING ELSE? UH, OTHERWISE, UH, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION APPROVE WITH BUSH ABSENT.
[9.2 Public Hearing on the TransNet Local Street Improvement Program of Projects for the City of National City for Fiscal Years 2027 through 2031.]
NEXT WE GO ON TO NINE TWO.THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TRANSNET LOCAL STREET IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM OF PROJECTS FOR THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY FOR FISCAL YEARS 27 THROUGH 2031.
AND, UH, STAFF MAYOR, I'LL GO AHEAD AND SPEAK TO THIS ONE.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, UH, STAFF'S AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THAT, SO MOVE TO CLOSE.
DO I HAVE A, UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
THIS IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION APPROVED.
AND, UH, SO NOW THEN, UH, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE ON ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION THAT MR. CHAIR SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? UH, SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.
[10.1 Amendments to City Council Policy No. 203, Investment Policy, and Codification of Previously Approved City Council Policy Amendments]
NEXT WE GO INTO TEN ONE.THIS IS AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY COUNCIL, POLICY NUMBER 2 0 3, OUR INVESTMENT POLICY, A CO CODIFICATION OF PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CITY COUNCIL POLICY AMENDMENTS.
STAFF GONNA BE WORKING ON THAT ONE.
UM, THIS IS THE, UH, THE REPORT, UH, THAT WAS TAKEN TO COUNCIL OR BROUGHT TO YOU, UM, JANUARY 20TH
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OF THIS YEAR.UH, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS TO SEVERAL CITY COUNCIL POLICIES, UH, BUT DID NOT ADOPT AN ASSOCIATED RESOLUTION BECAUSE THERE WERE TWO MORE POLICIES THAT WERE GOING TO COME BACK FOR YOU.
UH, THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL WAS TO ALLOW THE CITY COUNCIL TO CREATE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS TO REVIEW POLICIES NUMBER 1 21 AND 2 0 3.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUSH AND YAMANI, UM, COMPLETED A REVIEW OF CITY COUNCIL POLICY 2 0 3, AND THAT IS HEREBY BEING PRESENTED TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI WOULD LIKE TO ADD, ADD TO THAT.
I, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR.
I JUST WANTED TO, TO MAKE SURE, I MEAN TO THANK, UM, DIRECTOR RACHEL BARRERA FOR ALSO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, REVISITING, UM, THE 2 0 3 AND, UM, I'M, I'M THANKFUL FOR THAT.
SO, ANYONE GOT ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING UPON THE, THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORTH? MOST OF IT SEEMS FAIRLY PERFUNCTIONARY MOVED TO ADOPT MR. CHAIR.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND.
MOTION APPROVED WITH BUSH ABSENT.
ALRIGHT, THAT WAS, UM, CAN ONE, AND THEN WE GO TO, LEMME GET FLIPPED BACK OVER HERE REAL QUICK.
UH, GEE, I WONDER WHY YOU WERE SITTING THERE.
[10.2 Presentation - Public Provider Ground Emergency Medical Transport Program Update]
IS OUR PRESENTATION ON THE PUBLIC, UH, PROVIDER, UH, GROUND EMERGENCY MEDICAL TRANSPORT PROGRAM UPDATE.ALL RIGHT, WE'RE ON RECORD PACE HERE.
MY NAME IS JEREMY DAY FIRE BATTALION CHIEF.
THIS PRESENTATION PROVIDES AN UPDATE ON THE CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY'S PUBLIC PROVIDED GROUND EMERGENCY MEDICAL TRANSPORT PROGRAM.
WE'RE GONNA START CALLING THAT AMBULANCE TRANSPORT SERVICES AT SOME POINT JUST TO, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO SAY TONIGHT.
WE'LL WALK THROUGH OUR PHASED IMPLEMENTATION APPROACH, CURRENT PROGRESS ON PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, AND SEEK DIRECTION ON FUNDING STRATEGIES MOVING FORWARD.
AS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED, STAFF IS FOLLOWING A STRUCTURED PHASED IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO REPRESENT OUR CURRENT FOCUS.
THESE REPRESENT THE FOUNDATIONAL PLANNING EFFORTS.
THE REMAINING PHASES ADDRESS PROCUREMENT SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT AND EVENTUAL ACTIVATION, WHICH WOULD OCCUR FOLLOWING COUNCIL DIRECTION.
THIS PHASED APPROACH IS DESIGNED TO MANAGE RISK, ENSURE SERVICE CONTINUITY, AND MAINTAIN COUNSEL OVERSIGHT AT EACH STAGE.
PHASE ONE FOCUSES ON BUILDING THE FOUNDATION FOR A POTENTIAL IN-HOUSE TRANSPORT SYSTEM.
THIS INCLUDES IDENTIFYING FINANCIAL STRATEGIES, DEVELOPING A REPAYMENT APPROACH TIED TO FUTURE TRANSPORT REVENUE, AND IN INITIATING KEY AGREEMENTS SUCH AS BILLING SERVICES, MEDICAL SUPPLIES, AND CONTINUITY OF SERVICE DURING THE TRANSITION.
AT THIS STAGE, STAFF IS ACTIVELY NARROWING OPTIONS FOR BILLING SERVICES AND MEDICAL SUPPLY VENDORS AND IS ON, HAS ONGOING DISCUSSIONS TO HELP ENSURE CONTINUITY OF SERVICE DURING THE TRANSITION PERIOD.
WE ARE HOPEFUL TO BRING MORE DEFINED AND ACTIONABLE INFORMATION ON THESE COMPONENTS.
BACK TO COUNCIL ON THE NEXT UPDATE, WHICH IS PLANNED TO BE IN AUGUST.
FOR TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, THE PRIMARY FOCUS WILL BE ON FINANCIAL STRATEGIES NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD IN PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO.
PHASE TWO FOCUSES ON ORGANIZATIONAL READINESS.
WE ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH HUMAN RESOURCES TO FINALIZE CLASSIFICATIONS FOR NEW POSITIONS OF EMT PARAMEDIC AND ASSISTANT EMS COORDINATOR.
THESE ARE ON TRACK FOR CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW, UH, IN JULY.
CORRECTION, THE SLIDE SAYS JULY 14TH.
THAT'LL BE JULY 8TH, AFTER WHICH THEY'LL RETURN TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
WHEN IT, WHEN THESE POSITIONS ARE APPROVED, MEET AND CONFER WOULD BEGIN WITH THE BARGAINING UNIT AND FOLLOWED BY RECRUITMENT TARGETED FOR EARLY 2027.
THIS PHASE REMAINS IN PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT STAGES AND NO DIRECTION IS REQUESTED FROM COUNCIL TONIGHT.
STAFF HAS REFINED PRELIMINARY STARTUP COSTS ESTIMATES WITH TOTAL NEEDS CURRENTLY PROJECTED IN THE RANGE OF APPROXIMATELY SIX TO 6.5 MILLION PHASED ACROSS TWO FISCAL YEARS.
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YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE, THE FIRST YEAR INCLUDES INITIAL PERSONNEL AND OPERATIONAL COSTS, ALONG WITH MAJOR EQUIPMENT ACQUISITION TO STAND UP THE SYSTEM.THE SECOND YEAR REPRESENTS THE TRUE STARTUP OPERATIONAL PERIOD WHERE FULL PERSONNEL AND OPERATING COSTS ARE REALIZED.
AS THE SYSTEM BECOMES ACTIVE, THESE FUNDS WILL HELP BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN INITIAL SERVICE LAUNCH AND FULL BILLING MATURITY.
THE PHASED APPROACH ALLOWS, UH, THE CITY TO ALIGN COSTS WITH OPERATIONAL READINESS AND GRADUALLY STABILIZE REVENUE.
AS BILLING PROCESSES ARE FULLY IMPLEMENTED, STAFF HAS ENGAGED WITH TWO FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS TO EVALUATE BORROWING OPTIONS AND REPAYMENT STRUCTURES.
BOTH INSTITUTIONS CONFIRM THAT PERSONNEL AND OPERATIONS COSTS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR EXTERNAL FINANCING, WHICH LIMITS BORROWING PRIMARILY TO HARD ASSET ACQUISITIONS SUCH AS AMBULANCES AND EQUIPMENT.
AS A RESULT, EXTERNAL FINANCING ALONE DOES NOT PROVIDE A COMPLETE FUNDING SOLUTION FOR THE PROGRAM AND WOULD NEED TO BE SUPPLEMENTED BY INTERNAL FUNDING SOURCES.
THE TERMS VARY, BUT IN GENERAL, THESE OPTIONS INTRODUCE HIGHER INTEREST COST AND REPAYMENT CONSTRAINTS.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE, UH, BANK ONE HAD A FIXED FIVE YEAR TERM WITH THE PRIME RATE PLUS 2.5, THAT WOULD RESULT IN ROUGHLY A MILLION TO ONE POINT MILLION.
AND THE REPAYMENT, UH, AMATEURIZATION SCHEDULE OF THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO FIT INTO THE CURRENT BUDGETS.
SCHEDULE BANK NUMBER TWO IS MORE FEASIBLE, FIVE TO 20 YEARS, BUT THEN YOU SEE THE ESTIMATED INTEREST 500 TO $2.3 MILLION IN INTEREST THAT WOULD BE PAID TO AN OUTSIDE BANK.
WE ARE ALSO, UH, IN THE EXTERNAL FINANCING, CONTINUING TO PURSUE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP OFFSET STARTUP COSTS.
THE OTHER OPTION IS INTERNAL FINANCING.
WE ALSO EVALUATED THIS, UH, FINANCIAL APPROACH.
THIS OPTION WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO FUND BOTH OPERATIONAL AND CAPITAL COSTS THROUGH AN INTERNAL LOAN STRUCTURE, TYPICALLY ALIGNED WITH THE LAFE INTEREST RATES.
SO YOU SEE ON THE, ON THIS SLIDE WE TALK ABOUT THE TERM, UM, THE PROGRAM'S GOAL IS A 10 YEAR REPAYMENT SCHEDULE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IN THAT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, WE WOULD HAVE PREPAYMENT OPTIONS INCLUDED SO THAT AS WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THE PROGRAM, WE CAN EVALUATE THE SUCCESS OR THE DIFFICULTY OF THE PROGRAM.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT EQUATION.
AND SO WE WOULD EITHER PAY QUICKER OR WE COULD RESTRUCTURE BASED ON THE HEALTH OF THE FUNDS.
UM, WE WOULD ALIGN THE, THE INTEREST RATE WITH LA, WHICH MAJORITY OF THE FUNDS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NOW THIS APPROACH OFFERS LOWERING, BORROWING COSTS GREATER FLEXIBILITY AND FULL CONTROL OVER REPAYMENT, TIMING AND STRUCTURE.
BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS, THIS OPTION IS MORE COST EFFECTIVE AND ADMINISTRATIVELY STREAMLINED COMPARED TO EXTERNAL FINANCING.
IN ADDITION, THE CITY HAS ALSO, UH, YOU'LL SEE ON THE BOTTOM ON THE GRANTS, WE HAVE BEEN AWARDED THROUGH CDBG FUNDING, UM, $370,000 THAT CAN SUPPORT ELIGIBLE PRO COSTS.
WE CONTINUE TO ALSO SEEK GRANTS ON THE INTERNAL SIDE, UM, THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THE FUNDING SCENARIOS.
THE FIRST FUNDING SCENARIO WE HAVE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS A HYBRID APPROACH.
THIS COMBINES INTERNAL FUNDING FOR PERSONNEL AND OPERATION WITH EXTERNAL BORROWING FOR THE EQUIPMENT AND HARD ACQUISITION WHILE FEASIBLE.
THIS OPTION OPTION INTRODUCES ADDITIONAL COMPLEXITY, HIGHER POTENTIAL FINANCIAL COSTS, AND RELIANCE ON EXTERNAL LENDING TERMS AND CONDITIONS.
THE THE SECOND OPTION WE HAVE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS FULL INTERNAL FINANCING.
THIS APPROACH USES INTERNAL FUNDING TO COVER ALL STARTUP COSTS OVER BOTH FISCAL YEARS.
THIS PROVIDES THE GREATEST FLEXIBILITY, SIMPLIFIES IMPLEMENTATION, REDUCES OVERALL BORROWING COSTS, AND ALLOWS THE CITY TO MAINTAIN FULL CONTROL OF THE REPAYMENT TERMS. BASED ON OUR EVALUATION.
STAFF BELIEVES THIS IS THE MOST EFFICIENT AND SUSTAINABLE OPTION.
IN SUMMARY, PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO PLANNING EFFORTS ARE PROGRESSING AS SCHEDULED AND THE PROGRAM REMAINS IN THE PLANNING AND ANALYSIS STAGE.
BASED ON THE ANALYSIS PRESENTED, STAFF RECOMMENDS CONSIDERATION OF THE FULL INTERNAL FINANCIAL APPROACH TO, DUE TO ITS COST EFFICIENCIES, FLEXIBILITIES, AND STREAMLINED IMPLEMENTATION.
AT THIS POINT, STAFF IS SEEKING COUNCIL DIRECTION ON PREFERRED FUNDING STRATEGY TO ALLOW CONTINUED PROGRESS IN PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO IMPLEMENTATION WITH THE INTENT TO RETURN TO COUNCIL IN AUGUST WITH MORE DEVELOPED AND ACTIONABLE DECISION POINTS.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION.
UM, OBVIOUSLY OPTION TWO IS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE
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BECAUSE OF THE, UH, SAVINGS FROM, UM, IF WE GO FINANCING THROUGH THE BANKS, YES, WE WOULD SPEND ALL OF THAT MONEY IN, UM, INTEREST.RIGHT? OPTION TWO WOULDN'T, OR AT LEAST IF THERE'S INTEREST, WE'D BE PAYING IT BACK TO THE INTERNAL CORRECT.
WITH INTEREST, BUT THE INTEREST COMES BACK TO US.
UM, AND IF, UM, OPTION ONE, SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE FIGURES IN OPTION ONE.
UM, THE TOTALS DON'T SEEM TO MATCH THE TOTALS IN OPTION TWO.
SO IF YOU'LL SEE ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THERE IS SOME VARIANCE IN THE FIGURES.
IT'S A THREE TO 3.5 MILLION IN ONE OF THE SLIDES.
AND SO THIS IS, WE'RE TRYING TO NAIL DOWN EXACT FIGURES, BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, TIME SCHEDULES THAT ARE MOVING.
AND SO YOU GET A QUOTE FOR AMBULANCES, FOR EXAMPLE, AND, YOU KNOW, FUEL PRICES GO UP.
SO THERE'S POTENTIAL OF PRICE CHANGES.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD IN SOME VARIANCE INTO OUR EXPECTED, UH, OUTLAY OF CASH.
AND, AND SOMETHING YOU SAID DURING MY, DURING MY BRIEFING, UM, I THINK YOU JUST EXPLAINED IT.
UM, THESE ARE INFLATED NUMBERS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU, DURING MY BRIEFING, UM, SO IN YOUR BRIEFING I WAS, I WAS HIGHLIGHTING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE BEING CONSERVATIVE IN OUR APPROACH.
AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT HOW MUCH STARTUP COST IT'S GOING TO BE, WE'RE NOT, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE MOST THAT IT COULD BE THE MOST AND LOOKING TO SECURE FUNDS FOR THE MOST.
BECAUSE THE WORST THING WOULD BE FOR US TO COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, I ASKED FOR $10, I NEED 15.
UM, AND SO WE'RE BEING VERY CONSERVATIVE IN THE APPROACH.
SO IF WE, FOR EXAMPLE, WENT WITH THE INTERNAL MODEL, UM, AFTER WE ARE UP IN OPERATIONAL THROUGH THAT FIRST, UH, SIX MONTH PERIOD, WE WOULD DO A TRUE UP ON HOW MUCH MONEY DID WE TRANSFER FROM THE INTERNAL FUNDS INTERNAL SOURCE TO THE ENTERPRISE ACCOUNT, AND THEN ESTABLISH THE REPAYMENT SCHEDULE BASED ON THAT.
WE EXPECT IT TO BE LESS THAN THESE NUMBERS.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, FY 28, THAT IS THE FULL WEIGHTED COST OF TWO QUARTERS OF OPERATION.
NOW, AS BILLING MATURES THROUGH THAT, THOSE FIRST AND SECOND QUARTER AND THE SECOND QUARTER, REALLY YOU'RE GONNA SEE BILLING START TO COME IN.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA NEED THE FULLY WEIGHTED, UM, OPERATIONAL COST OF QUARTER TWO, BUT WE HAVE INCLUDED THAT AS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS VERY FULLY THOUGHT OUT.
UM, MY, MY LAST QUESTION HERE IS, UM, YOU, DID YOU SAY THAT IN AUGUST WHEN YOU COME BACK IN AUGUST, YOU ARE ANTICIPATING THAT YOU WILL HAVE IDENTIFIED, IF WE GO WITH OPTION TWO MM-HMM
BY AUGUST, YOU INTEND TO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, THE FEASIBILITY AROUND THE, THE INTERNAL MECHANISM THAT THE, WHERE THE FUNDING WOULD COME FROM.
YOU WOULD, UH, OUR HOPE IS HOPE THAT BY AUGUST YOU'D FIGURE THAT OUT.
OUR HOPE IS TO RETURN TO YOU IN AUGUST WITH A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD AUTHORIZE FUNDING AND ENTERPRISE PROGRAM, IDENTIFYING WHERE THOSE FUNDS ARE GOING TO COME FROM THE FULL FUNDING PACKAGE SO THAT AFTER THAT MEETING WE CAN THEN MOVE NOT FROM PLANNING PHASE TO IMPLEMENTATION, TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, GOING OUT AND PURCHASING EQUIPMENT.
AND I IMAGINE THAT INVOLVES WORKING WITH OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
AND YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE PARTIES THAT NEED YEAH, THE, THE AUGUST DATE SEEMS MORE REASONABLE IN THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE BUDGET.
AND SO THEN WE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, JULY YOU'RE ON RECESS AND SO
UH, I HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN THIS BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE DETAIL AND THE THOROUGH THOUGHT PROCESS, SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT.
UH, EDWARD NATO, I DON'T MEAN TO BE THE DEBBIE DOWNER, BUT I'M ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT FINANCING.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT.
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TOO MANY, MANY OPTIONS.
ANY OTHER OPTIONS? I'D LIKE, UH, OPTION NUMBER TWO, BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO HOW YOU, HOW THIS IS GONNA LAND ON YOUR FUTURE BUDGET.
I DON'T RECALL SEEING IT IN ANY DISCUSSION SO FAR.
UH, OKAY, SORRY, ONE LAST THING THAT I, YOU MENTIONED, UM, JEREMY AND SORRY TO, UH, CUT OFF, UH, ANY OTHER SPEAKERS.
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UM, SOMETHING THAT'S KEY AND, AND, UH, ED, YOU BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION IS, UM, THIS WOULD REMOVE OR THIS WOULDN'T AFFECT THE GENERAL FUND, RIGHT? JEREMY, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? YES.THE, THE WAY THAT THE SYSTEM IS, IS BEING PROPOSED IS TO ESTABLISH AN ENTERPRISE ACCOUNT SIMILAR TO, IF YOU LOOK IN THE LINE ITEM, UM, THE SEWER FUND IS AN ENTERPRISE TYPE ACCOUNT.
AND SO THIS WOULD, UH, THE FUNDS FOR THIS, UH, PROJECT WOULD LIVE IN THAT ENTERPRISE ACCOUNT.
ALL OF THE PERSONNEL COSTS, THE OPERATIONAL COSTS WOULD ALL BE OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL FUND TO INCLUDE THIS INTERNAL FUNDING SOURCE.
WE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF USING FUNDS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL FUND.
FROM THE FIRST PRESENTATION, I HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT THE GOAL IS THAT THIS IS NOT USING GENERAL FUND DOLLARS.
NOW WE CAN'T COMPLETELY TAKE THAT OFF THE TABLE BECAUSE WE MAY GET TO A POSITION WHERE WE ARE USING MULTIPLE FUNDING SOURCES AND A PORTION OF THAT MIGHT NOT COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND, BUT IT MIGHT LEAN ON IT IN A WAY OF, YOU KNOW, PERSONNEL COSTS CAN BE, YOU KNOW, PAID IN THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN REIMBURSED IN QUARTER THREE AND FOUR.
THERE ARE CONSTRUCTIVE WAYS TO DO THE FINANCING.
SO I CAN'T SAY THAT GENERAL FUND DOLLARS WILL NOT BE USED, BUT THAT IS NOT THE AIM OF THIS PROJECT.
WE HAD A SIMILAR SITUATION ALONG THIS LINE BEFORE, NOW I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE LADDER RIG OR UM, IF IT WAS ONE OF THE TRUCK, UH, UM, FIRE TRUCKS, BUT, UM, WE PURCHASED IT AND IT WAS WITH A LOAN FROM THE SEWER FUND AND THEN IT PAID BACK THE SEWER FUND WITH INTEREST AND UH, AND SO MADE THE PAYMENTS IN THERE INSTEAD OF GOING OUT AND GETTING COMMERCIAL PAPER.
AND UH, SO I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF THING YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING OR, OR EXPLORING YOU ARE CORRECT.
IT WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF INTERNAL LOAN AGREEMENT, BASICALLY PUTTING THE MONEY BACK EITHER AS WE FOUND IT OR BETTER.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, ANYTHING? I HAD A VERY GOOD BRIEFING.
I HAD A VERY GOOD BRIEFING WITH CHIEF, UM MM-HMM
I THINK THIS WAS, UM, HE'S, HE'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, DILIGENTLY, UM, I, I, UM, I UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT THIS WILL, UM, PROVIDE REVENUE GENERATING IN THE LONG RUN.
UM, ENTERPRISE FUND IS A, UH, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, MEAN IT'S A, UH, THOUGHTFUL WAY TO DO IT.
SO THEN IT, IT'S NOT GONNA INFRINGE TOO MUCH OF OUR, UM, OF OUR GENERAL FUND.
UM, SO I THINK WHEN, WHEN THE, WHEN THE UH, PROPOSAL COMES BACK, ALL THE COMPONENTS BASED ON YOU IN THE STUDY THAT OUR STAFF AND, UH, CHIEF, UM, THEY WILL, WILL WORK TOGETHER AND BRING US THIS TYPE YOU PROGRAM ALREADY BECAUSE THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE RESULT OF THE, UH, FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WE PUSHED.
AND SO HERE COMES, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION.
OKAY, RODRIGUEZ? YEAH, NO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WORK CHIEF DAVE, VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A LONG TIME.
I STILL REMEMBER THE CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH, UH, CHIEF, UH, OR I GUESS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER RA UH, BACK IN 2020.
UM, SO I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN IN THE MAKING FOR A LONG TIME AND DURING THAT TIME A LOT OF OTHER CITIES HAVE MADE THE TRANSITION INTO BRINGING THEIR SERVICES, THEIR AMBULANCE SERVICES IN HOUSE.
SO I THINK THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I VERY MUCH SUPPORT, UH, OPTION NUMBER TWO.
I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR US TO UTILIZE OUR, UH, UM, UH, FUNDS IN A MANNER IN WHICH WE'RE REINVESTING BACK INTO OUR OWN DEPARTMENTS.
WE'RE REINVESTING BACK INTO OUR OWN STAFF AND IT'S GOING TO PAY DIVIDENDS AT THE END, LIKE IT HAS BEEN FOR EVERY OTHER CITY I'VE SPOKEN TO.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WORK.
I VERY MUCH SUPPORT OPTION TWO.
AND I WILL, UM, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO, IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? NO, THERE'S NOT A MOTION, BUT OKAY.
THIS IS A PRESENTATION AND ONLY WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANYTHING TONIGHT.
YEAH, WE'RE JUST GIVING THE OKAY TO MOVE AHEAD JUST TO I SEE.
DO AN EXPIRATION AND BRING BACK RESULTS.
ALRIGHT, SO YOU DON'T NEED A SPECIFIC MOTION? JUST AS LONG AS WE KIND OF GIVE A VERBAL YEAH.
IF, IF, IF THERE'S CONSENSUS THAT THAT'S THE DIRECTION, JUST GIVING DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE US TO MOVE IN, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH, UH, A FULL REPORT FOR RESOLUTION THAT YOU CAN VOTE ON THAT WOULD APPROVE THE FUNDING THROUGH INTERNAL SOURCES.
I THINK CHIEF IS VERY CLEAR THAT, UH, THE D IS LEANING TOWARDS OPTION TWO.
UM, UNLESS ANYTHING ELSE THAT FINISHES THAT ONE OFF, NEXT WE GO INTO, UH, CITY MANAGER'S REPORT.
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NOTHING TONIGHT.MY, MY THROAT'S A LITTLE SORE.
[12. ELECTED OFFICIALS REPORT]
GET INTO OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS REPORT AND, UH, UH, BEFORE WE GO INDIVIDUALLY, WE HAVE, UH, 2.1 THAT'S THE AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE MAYOR CAN SPEAK TO THIS.UH, THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST TO, UH, PULL THE ITEM TO ALLOW MORE TIME FOR THE MEMBERS TO COME BACK TO PRESENT THE SCOPE OF WORK.
UH, TYPICALLY WHEN WE PULL A REPORT, WE, WE DO ASK IF THERE'S AN ESTIMATED, UM, AGENDA OR TIMELINE THAT, UM, THE ITEM COULD COME BACK FOR THE REPORT OUT IN THIS CASE TO REPORT OUT IN THE SCOPE OF WORK.
SO YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO MAKING A REPORT TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.
UM, AND IT KIND OF WORKED OUT SEEING AS COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH ISN'T HERE, BUT, UH, THE, THE FIRST OR SECOND MEETING IN JUNE, UH, I I THINK THE BUDGET AFTER THE BUDGET, WHAT? YEAH, BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE TO AUGUST, BUT THIS, THIS ISN'T A REPORT OF ACTIONS.
THE ONLY THING IT IS IS JUST UH, ABSOLUTELY.
A TIMELINE AND, AND JUST THE, UM, AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO MOVE FORWARD ON ANY SPECIFIC ITEMS. WELL, YEAH, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO RECOMMENDATIONS COMING AT THIS POINT.
IT'S JUST WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF THE WORK OF THE COMMITTEE.
SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT AND PRIORITIZING IT AND BRINGING THAT TO COUNCIL.
UH, SO, UH, I HAVE BEEN, UM, NOT CLEAR ON THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE BY THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE.
I THINK THAT THERE HAS HAVE BEEN ACTIONS ALREADY, RIGHT? NO, THERE'S NO ACTIONS.
WELL, THERE HAVE BEEN MEETINGS.
WE HAVE, THERE HAVE BEEN MEETINGS.
YES, THERE HAVE BEEN MEETINGS.
WE HAVE BEEN, SO WE HAVE BEEN GATHERING INFORMATION.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WERE GOING TO HEAR BACK FROM THE BOTH OF YOU WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO AND THAT HASN'T COME BACK TO US.
AND IT WILL NEXT MONTH IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
WELL, I JUST HEARD VITA SAY THAT.
OH, WELL WE'RE NOT, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON DURING THE BUDGET THEY HAVE TO CONFER.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN WE COME BACK WE WILL HAVE, YEAH.
AND I DON'T KNOW EITHER WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I MEAN THAT'S GONNA COME BACK THE ESTABLISHMENT.
LISTEN TO ME'S NOT THAT'S GONNA COME BACK TO YOU.
WHEN THAT'S GONNA COME BACK TO YOU AUGUST AFTER, AFTER THE, IN THE MEANTIME YOU HAVE BEEN HOLDING MEETINGS TO DO WHAT? I MEAN THIS IS NOT DIFFICULT, IT'S GATHERING INFORMATION.
IT IS IN THE, IT IS IN THE 1 0 5 THAT WE ARE GOING TO GATHER INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE IN THE KNOW, AND THEN WE ARE GONNA COME BACK TO YOU AND TELL YOU WHAT WE DID.
SO THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAD BEEN, UM, ANTICIPATING IS THIS GRAY AREA WHERE WE CREATED AN ALSO, REMEMBER THERE IS NO GRAY AREA, BUT I'M, LET ME FINISH MY COMMENT PLEASE.
I'M M AND I WANT TO, I DO NOT LIKE THE WORD GRAY AREA.
I'M GOING TO FINISH MY COMMENT.
I'M GOING TO FINISH MY COMMENT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, I WAS EXTREMELY CLEAR WHAT I WAS HOPING TO UNDERSTAND, WHAT THIS COMMITTEE WAS GOING TO DO IN THE FORMATION OF THE COMMITTEE.
I SAID I NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF WORK, WHAT YOU INTENDED TO DO, HOW THE GOVERNANCE OF THIS COMMITTEE WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, WHAT STAFF, UM, RESOURCES WE'RE GONNA GO INTO THIS.
THESE ARE NOT DIFFICULT QUESTIONS.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, SOME ELABORATE PRESENTATION.
IT TRULY IS ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
AND MY NUMBER ONE CONCERN IS, UM, UH, CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND PREVENTING CONFLICT OF INTEREST GIVEN THE TURMOILS THAT WE HAVE UNDERGONE, UM, WITH PERCEIVED CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, UH, AND THE, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? MEETING WITH DEVELOPERS, THAT IS EXACTLY WHY I WANTED TO PREVENT ANY TYPE OF GRAY AREA.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, I'M CALLING IT, WE ARE IN A GRAY AREA BECAUSE NO COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN PRESENTED FROM THE, EITHER, FROM EITHER OF YOU TOO.
UM, IN THE FOUR MONTHS THAT THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE HAS BEEN FORMED
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AND HAS BEEN DOING THINGS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING, BUT YOU'VE BEEN DOING THINGS AND YOU HAVE NOT COMMUNICATED BACK WHAT YOU'RE DOING.SO IT IS A GRAY AREA AND THAT IS HIGHLY CONCERNING.
SO PLEASE GIVE ME A DATE WHEN YOU WILL ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, UH, ADAMANT PASSION FOR HOUSING IN OUR CITY AND IT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO TACKLE.
AND, UM, WE ARE ALSO BEING VERY CONSCIOUS OF HOW MUCH TIME EVERYBODY HAS.
WE HAVE NOT USED ANY STAFF TIME FOR OUR MEETINGS OTHER THAN OURSELVES AND OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL STAFF.
WE HAVE BEEN HAVING A SERIES OF MEETINGS WITH DEVELOPERS.
BECAUSE WE NEED DEVELOPERS AT THE TABLE IN ORDER TO REALIZE AND TO GET IDEAS AND TO GATHER INFORMATION THAT THEN WE WOULD PRESENT AS IDEAS TO COUNCIL SO THAT COUNCIL WOULD DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD WISH TO GO FORWARD.
BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE KIND OF SILLY TO CREATE AN AD HOC AND JUST HAVE US SIT AROUND AND NOT GATHER INFORMATION TO, TO, TO THEN WORK ON A, TO HAVE A SCOPE OF WORK ON THINGS TO WORK ON.
AND IT WOULD ADDITIONALLY BE KIND OF SILLY CONSIDERING THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING ENDLESS MEETINGS TO FILL IN A VACANCY FOR A CITY ATTORNEY, FOR CITY MANAGEMENT, FOR BUDGET MEETINGS, TO ALSO ASK STAFF, HEY, CAN YOU ALSO PRIORITIZE A WHOLE BUNCH OF HOUSING RECOMMENDATIONS? RIGHT? SO I THINK, I THINK WE'RE BEING VERY CONSCIOUS OF THAT, BUT I, BUT I, YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
UM, I THINK IT'S NOTED, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO COME BACK AND MAYBE IT WOULD BE WISE TO HAVE IT BE AFTER THE BUDGET, BUT IF YOU ARE SO VERY ADAMANT ABOUT IT, I AM OKAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL CONSULT, I'LL, I'LL CONFER WITH COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI MAYBE BY THE SECOND WEEK OF JUNE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S DEADLINES TO MEET WHEN PRESENTING ITEMS TO THE CLERK IN ORDER TO ADD THEM TO THE AGENDA.
SO I KNOW THERE'S DEADLINES TO MEET ON THAT.
BUT, UH, BUT WE'RE, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO BE VERY CONSCIOUS OF WHAT OUR CITY IS GOING THROUGH AT THE TIME, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO GATHER INFORMATION AND THEN PRESENT THE SCOPE OF WORK TO COUNCIL AND THEN DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TOGETHER.
AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE GETTING INTO THE SILLY SEASON AND EVERYBODY IS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT WHAT MOVES WE'RE MAKING AND WHAT DID GUYS, WE NEED TO BUILD HOME OWNERSHIP.
AND I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR YEARS AND WE'VE BEEN MOVING AN AGENDA.
WE'VE PASSED, UH, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE BUNCH OF LOCAL POLICIES TO BUILD HOME OWNERSHIP.
AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS TO CONTINUE, BUT WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR CITY AT THE MOMENT.
SO, UH, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR CONCERNS COUNCIL MEMBER.
UM, I HOPE YOU'RE OKAY WITH US BRINGING SOMETHING BACK.
UM, WHAT WAS THAT DATE AGAIN? WHAT WAS, WHAT DATE? THE DATE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO PRESENT YOUR SCOPE OF WORK.
SO AGAIN, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, I WILL SPEAK WITH COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI, MAYBE OFFLINE TO SEE WHAT WE WOULD BRING BACK, BUT IT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE DARK IN JULY, SO IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THE END OF JUNE OR THE FIRST WEEK IN AUGUST.
BUT AGAIN, I WOULD, I, I WOULDN'T WANNA MAKE THAT, UM, HOW DO YOU SAY
THERE'S THAT, UH, THAT COMMITMENT AT THE TIME BECAUSE I WOULD WANT TO SPEAK TO STAFF TO SEE HOW PACKED OUR SCHEDULE IS GONNA BE FOR THE SECOND WEEK OF JUNE, AND I ASSUME IT'S GONNA BE PACKED.
AND SO TO ADD ANOTHER SERIES OF DISCUSSION SEEMS AGAIN, AND TO MAKE THAT COMMITMENT AT THIS TIME SEEMS A BIT, UM, A BIT RUSHED.
SO, SO, SO WE'RE GONNA STAY IN THIS GRAY AREA NOW I'M HEARING, UH, THROUGH, UH, I MEAN, WE CAN FILL THE, WE CAN FILL THE AGENDA WITH THINGS.
I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE WISE AND HAS NOT BEEN WISE CONSIDERING WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH OVER THE LAST MONTH AND CHANGE AT OUR CITY.
SO WE, WE'VE BEEN VERY CONSIDERATE OF EVERYTHING BEFORE WE BRING ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION.
AND SO I, I HOPE THAT YOU WOULD SEE IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
AND IF, IF, IF YOU'RE OPEN TO IT, WE WOULD SPEAK WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER, IMANI, WITH STAFF AND, AND SEE WHEN IT WOULD BE MOST ADEQUATE TO BRING THESE ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION.
SO IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATE THAT WE ARE ENTERTAINING GRAY AREA, CONFLICT OF INTEREST WHEN WE ARE WORKING ON SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PRESENT TO THIS COUNCIL.
AND I MEAN, HOPEFULLY WITH THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING, OUR, UH, DEPUTY, UH, ACTING DEPUTY CITY MANAGER ONE MEETING WAS THERE.
I THINK IT, IT WAS JUST GATHERING OF INFORMATION.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS CONFLICT OF INTEREST, THIS GRAY AREA, THIS, THIS ELEMENT OF MISTRUST, I DON'T REALLY LIKE IT.
OKAY? UM, I, I'M NOT TRYING TO, UM, I'M NOT TRYING TO, UM, EVOKE AN ELEMENT OF MISTRUST IN HERE, MS. YAMANI.
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THAT THAT IS THE DIRECTION THAT THIS IS GOING IN.I ASKED SIMPLE QUESTIONS, AND THESE SIMPLE QUESTIONS COULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED SHORTLY AFTER I HAD ASKED THEM, AND I WAS NOT REQUESTING AN ELABORATE TYPE OF RESPONSE.
THEY WERE SIMPLE QUESTIONS THAT TRULY COULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN A SIMPLE WAY.
NOW, IF, UM, THEY REMAIN UNANSWERED, I, I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THEY REMAIN UNANSWERED, BECAUSE THEY REMAIN SIMPLE QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, I THINK, JOSE, YOU JUST ANSWERED HALF OF THEM THEN WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? COUNCIL MEMBER? WELL, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
LET, LET, LET ME WHAT, LEMME JUMP IN HERE FOR A MOMENT.
YOU ASKED FOR A BUNCH QUESTIONS.
OKAY? I'M NOT, I'M GONNA STOP HERE.
AND I'M JUST GOING TO SAY MY INTENT WAS TO MAKE THIS CLEAR AND IT HAS BEEN MUDDIED AND IT HAS NOT BEEN MUDDIED BY ME.
OKAY? I, I, I THINK WHAT WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT SOME SEMANTICS HERE BECAUSE I'M HEARING SCOPE OF WORK AND THEN I'M HEARING PRODUCT, AND THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, YOU KNOW, AND I HEARD, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA BRING RECOMMENDATIONS BACK.
NO SCOPE OF WORK DOESN'T HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS IN IT.
A SCOPE OF WORK JUST SAYS, HERE'S HERE'S GONNA BE OUR PROCESS.
AND WHICH IS WHAT WE, WHAT WE ASKED FOR WHEN THE COMMITTEE WAS FORMED TO BEFORE YOU STARTED ANY WORK, BRING US BACK WHAT YOUR PROCESS IS GONNA BE.
LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING, MAYOR, HAVE WE ADOPTED ANY POLICY AND NOW WE'RE TALKING POLICY THROUGH THE CITY, HUH? HAVE WE ADOPTED ANY POLICY THROUGH THE CITY? HAVE YOU ADOPTED ANY POLICY? YEAH.
FOR WHAT WE'RE THE AD HOC, HAVE WE ADOPTED ANY POLICY? WE ASKED THAT NIGHT AND BOTH OF YOU SAID YES.
THAT YOU WOULD BRING BACK A SCOPE OF WORK YES.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT YOU'RE SAYING DOING WORK AND, AND, AND I GUESS I JUST ANSWERED, I JUST ASKED YOU A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
WE HAVEN'T BROUGHT ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION AND WORK THROUGH THE CITY.
WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET, MAYOR.
AND WHAT I'M ASKING IS TO HAVE THE, UH, PATIENCE CONSIDERING WHERE WE ARE AS A CITY, WORKING WITH STAFF TO BRING IT AT A, UM, A MORE APPROPRIATE TIME CONSIDERING EVERYTHING WE HAVE GOING ON.
UM, AND IT WOULD, WE WOULD WORK WITH COUNCIL MEMBER, WORK WITH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, MANAGEMENT TO SEE IF IT WOULD BE WISE TO BRING IT IN JUNE, END OF JUNE OR TO BRING IT IN AUGUST.
BUT AGAIN, THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION.
WE HAVEN'T PASSED THE POLICY, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY OF THAT.
BUT, SO WE WILL BRING THE SCOPE OF WORK AND ITEMS AND ALL THE INFORMATION WE'VE GATHERED TO COUNSEL FOR THEM, FOR COUNSEL TO DECIDE AND DISCUSS MM-HMM
RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I, I THINK THERE'S A TOTAL MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT A SCOPE OF WORK IS.
'CAUSE IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT A TOTALITY OF WORK.
IT IS, THE SCOPE IS JUST SAYING HERE IS WHAT OUR, OUR PROCESS IS GONNA BE.
THAT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT TAKES A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS OR A MONTH TO PUT TOGETHER.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU SIT DOWN IN 30 MINUTES, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA GO ABOUT OUR PROCESS.
NOT ABOUT WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS OR WHAT INFORMATION.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. RAM, WE'VE DISCUSSED IT NOW FOR ABOUT 30 MINUTES.
I THINK THIS HAS BEEN THE MOST CONTENTIOUS ITEM DISCUSSED IN THIS AGENDA, RIGHT? SO TO SAY THAT WE'RE ONLY GONNA TAKE 20 OR 30 MINUTES ON ITEMS THAT WE WOULD BRING BACK AS SOON I'M, YOU CAN TAKE 20 OR 30 MINUTES TO PUT IT TOGETHER.
I THINK IT'S A, IT'S, I THINK IT'S NOT THE CASE.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND MAKE SURE WE BRING BACK SOMETHING TO COUNCIL THAT OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES.
AND I KNOW THAT WHEN WE FORMED THE COMMITTEE, WE ASKED YOU GUYS TO DO THAT.
YOU BOTH AGREED TO IT AND NOW, AND IT WILL COME BACK, MAYOR, IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU.
YOU WILL MAKE THE DECISION, NOT US.
WE'RE JUST GATHERING INFORMATION TO GIVE IT TO YOU.
WE JUST HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON.
YOU DON'T, I JUST GOT BACK FROM A BACK TO BACK TRIP.
OKAY? SO I HAVE TO MAKE THAT REPORT, CONFER WITH MY, WITH MY, UM, COLLEAGUE HERE WHO IS A, A MEMBER OF THAT AD HOC AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH, WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAD GATHERED AFTER THAT.
WELL, I WOULD EXPECT IT WITHIN THE NEXT TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS.
AND THE, THE, AS FAR AS WHAT YOU HAVE INFORMATION YOU HAVE TO GATHER.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GATHER INFORMATION FOR A SCOPE OF WORK.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT PROPOSALS OR, I APPRECIATE IT, MAYOR.
I WILL, WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO SEE WHEN IT'S MOST APPROPRIATE TO PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA, BUT, BUT IT WILL BE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
ALRIGHT, NEXT WE GO ON TO, UH, OKAY.
INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL REPORTS OR COMMENTS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF, UM, UPDATES TO PROVIDE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, WE ALSO, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR BACK FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON WHAT THEY WOULD WISH, UH, UH, MY OFFICE TO, TO WORK ON IN THE NEXT
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YEAR.SO, UH, YOU ALL ARE WELCOME TO COME, UM, THURSDAY, 6:00 PM AT THE SENIOR CENTER.
AND THANK YOU STAFF FOR HELPING COORDINATE BY THE WAY.
MAY IS ASIAN PACIFIC AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH.
THE NATIONAL THEME IS POWER AND UNITY STRENGTHENING COMMUNITIES TOGETHER.
UM, THE FILIPINO AMERICAN COMMUNITY JOINS REPRESENT REPRESENTATIVE JUAN VARGAS, CALIFORNIA DISTRICT 50 IN CELEBRATING THE VIBRANT HISTORY AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF ASIAN AMERICANS, NATIVE HAWAIIANS AND PACIFIC ISLANDER COMMUNITIES.
WE ARE CELEBRATING CULTURAL CONTRIBUTIONS.
WE HONOR THE VIBRANT HISTORY, CULTURE, AND TRADITIONS OF THE ASIAN AMERICANS, NATIVE HAWAIIANS AND PACIFIC ISLANDERS, UM, THAT ENRICH CALIFORNIA AND THE NATION.
WE CALL TO UNITE AND STAND FIRM AGAINST ALL FORMS OF BIGOTRY, HATE, AND DISCRIMINATION.
WE HIGHLIGHT THE IMPORTANCE OF RECOGNIZING OUR COMMUNITY'S ONGOING CIVIC, ECONOMIC, AND CULTURAL IMPACT.
UM, THE COUNCIL OF, UH, TEACHING FILIPINO LANGUAGE AND CULTURE AND DISTRICT THREE PROUDLY CONGRATULATES.
UM, BIN RACHEL C SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL'S ENGLISH LANGUAGE DEVELOPMENT TEACHER AND ELD SIDE CURRICULUM SPECIALIST ON BEING RECOGNIZED AS SWEETWATER UNION HIGH SCHOOL DISTRICT'S 2026, DISTRICT TEACHER OF THE YEAR.
CONGRATULATIONS ALSO TO GAIN AND GRACE ALMAZAR OF OLYMPIAN HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER OF THE YEAR 2026.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ALL MAY BIRTHDAY CELEBRANTS.
UM, GRATEFUL AND APPRECIATE OUR PUBLIC WORKS CREW AND STAFF.
THIS WEEK IS NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS APPRECIATION WEEK.
UH, PLEASE REGISTER TO VOTE AND VOTE ON JUNE 2ND.
UH, IT IS BOTH ENRAGING AND HEARTBREAKING TO SEE THE HORRIFIC EVENTS, UM, AT THE ISLAMIC CENTER YESTERDAY.
UH, AND TO SEE OUR NEIGHBORS IMPACTED IN THAT WAY, A PLACE OF WORSHIP SHOULD ALWAYS BE A SACRED PLACE AND A PLACE OF SAFETY AND PEACE.
AND IT BREAKS MY HEART AND MY THOUGHTS ARE WITH THE VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILIES AND THE BROADER ISLAMIC COMMUNITY.
UM, AND I JUST NEEDED TO EXPRESS THAT FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
ALRIGHT, I THINK WE ALL SHARE IN THAT AND FOR MANY OF THE TRAGEDIES THAT ARE HAPPENING AROUND US.
AND, UH, WITH THAT, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REALLY TO REPORT ON OTHER THAN, UM, WE DO, WE ARE COMING UP MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND.
IT JUST SEEMS EARLY IN THE MONTH FOR IT TO BE HAPPENING.
AND I KEEP THINKING IT'S THE FOLLOWING WEEK, BUT NO, IT'S NOT.
AND THAT WE, AS WE REMEMBER PARTICULARLY, UH, A GOOD NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS FROM NATIONAL CITY THAT HAVE, UH, DIED IN, IN, UH, IN SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY.
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I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO, UH, REPORT OUT OF CLOSED SESSION.UH, THE CITY COUNCIL MET TODAY IN CLOSED SESSION FROM 5:09 PM TO 5:38 PM COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH WAS ABSENT.
ALL OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE PRESENT.
THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, AND THE COUNCIL BODY TOOK NO REPORTABLE ACTIONS.
ALRIGHT, AND WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED TO OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING, WHICH WILL BE ON JUNE THE SECOND.