May 18, 2026 Special City Council

COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ.

UH, AS A REMINDER, PLEASE SILENCE ALL CELL PHONES OR OTHER DEVICES IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER, PLEASE, THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

UH, A LIVE WEBCAST IN THE CITY MAY BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

IF YOU'RE WATCHING LIVE VIA ZOOM, INTERPRETER, INSTRUCTIONS WILL APPEAR IN THE CHAT BOX AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN.

FOR THOSE WHO PREFER TO SIT IN THE CHAMBER, HEADSETS ARE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE LIVE SPANISH TRANSLATION, PLEASE SEE THE CLERK'S DESK AND TO CHECK OUT A HEADSET.

THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY'S WEBSITE INFORMS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS, IN PERSON IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER BY SUBMITTING ONE OF THESE SALMON COLORED SLIPS.

AND THEY ARE AVAILABLE AT THE BACK OF THE CHAMBER.

AND YOU'D WANT TO GET THAT OVER TO OUR CITY CLERK'S DESK RIGHT AWAY VIA ZOOM BY PRE-REGISTERING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, NO LATER THAN TWO HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING OR EMAILING NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING.

AND ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IF THEY ARE RECEIVED WITHIN THE DEADLINE.

WITH THAT, COULD WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER ANI HERE.

PRESENT, COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH HERE.

UH, WITH THAT, COULD WE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? ASK MEMBER, UH, MOLINA, YOU PLEASE.

OKAY, WE NOW HERE ARE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THIS AGENDA.

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION, UNDERG GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR, OKAY.

[4. PUBLIC COMMENT (Public Comment will be Restricted to Agenda Items Only)]

AND FIRST OF ALL, DO WE HAVE, UH, ANYONE ON ZOOM OR, OKAY, NOTHING ELSE.

SO I HAVE, I ONLY HAVE ONE SLIP AT THIS MOMENT.

UH, THAT IS ED RANO, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THEY'RE NOT AGREEING, THEY JUST LISTEN.

UH, WAIT A MINUTE.

LET ME, UH, OKAY.

I'VE BEEN COMING TO THESE MEETINGS.

WHAT I'M SEEING IN THESE MEETINGS IS EMBARRASSING IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING ABOUT THE BUDGET, NOT JUST FOR, IT'S NOT EMBARRASSING JUST FOR THE COUNCIL, BUT IT'S FOR ALL OF US.

AND WHAT'S COMING FROM THE DIOCESE ISN'T REAL.

IT'S JUST A PR SLICK TRICK, SLICK TRICKS.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS WHAT'S REALITY.

YOU, YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CONTINUE TO MAKE BAD DECISIONS WITHOUT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY.

YOU'RE POINTING TO STAFF.

YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU, YOU WERE DOING TO HEAR YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO USE THE TERM SCARCITY MINDSET WHILE FACING A CLEAR DEFICIT AND RESERVE FUNK CATASTROPHE.

UM, IT CLEARLY SHOWS A DELUSION OF THE, OF THE TRUE CITY FINANCIAL CONDITIONS.

JUST THINK OF IT FROM THE CITIZEN STANDPOINT.

IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU CONFIDENCE THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING UP THERE.

IT'S, IT'S MISDIRECTION.

THE DEFICIT, THE DEFICIT IS ISN'T THE PROBLEM.

IT'S THE RESULTS, THE DECISIONS MADE OR NOT BEING MADE ON THIS DICE.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

FOCUS ON YOUR FOCUSING ON YOUR PET PROJECT.

WASTING STAFF'S TIME THAT NEEDS TO BE CALLED OUT BY ALL, FOR YEARS, FOUR YEARS, FOUR YEARS OF WAR, OF WARNING, OF BAD CALLS, OF INITIATIVE THAT WENT NOWHERE EXCEPT WHEN SOMEBODY'S CAMPAIGN MAILER.

THIS DIDN'T SNEAK UP ON ANYBODY.

THIS IS NOT NEWS.

YOU KNEW THIS IS WHAT'S COMING, AND YOU'RE NOT MAKING THE RIGHT DECISIONS.

SO NOW WE HEAR NEW TERMS. ZERO BASE BUDGETING, SCARCITY MINDSET.

DO ME A FAVOR, WATCH DAF.

WHEN YOU SAY THESE WORDS, THEY JUST LOOK AT IT.

THEY LOOK AT YOU.

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YOU'RE NOT, BUT YOU'RE NOT LISTENING AND WATCHING STAFF AS THEY, AS THEY TELL YOU THE STUFF YOU'VE TOLD YOU, THEY'VE TOLD YOU BLANK POINT THAT YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GIVING IS AS CLEAR AS MUD, AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU'VE HEARD IT WE'RE IN TROUBLE, AND YOU, AND THEY'VE GIVEN YOU THE LOGIC.

THE INFORMATION'S NOT THERE.

IT ALSO, IT ALSO POINTS TO YOU AS NOT PROVIDING THEM THAT INFORMATION.

SO STEP UP AND OWN IT INSTEAD OF LOOKING DOWN AT YOUR PAPERS.

SO WHERE SHOULD WE BEGIN? LET'S SEE.

SO LET'S SAY THAT YOU CAN'T, EITHER YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, OR YOU CAN'T, OR YOU'RE TRYING TO MISDIRECT.

THE LANGUAGE IS BORROWED TO SOUND LIKE SERIOUS, SERIOUS WITHOUT HAVING TO BE SERIOUS.

THIS COUNCIL DOESN'T UNDERSTAND ZERO BASED BUDGETING WHEN THEY ARE, WHEN THEY'RE APPROVING THE CONTRACTS THAT DUG THEM IN THE HOLE.

THE EMPLOYEE'S CONTRACTS RAISE APPROVED LONG-TERM COMMITMENTS MADE WITH NO CLEAR PICTURE OF, OF HOW ANY OF THIS WAS GONNA GET FUNDED DOWN THE ROAD.

THAT'S NOT A TOUGH, THIS A TOUGH DECISION.

UH, A A TOUGH DECISION MADE IN GOOD FAITH.

THAT'S INCREDIBLY RECKLESSNESS, AND YOU'RE PAYING THE PRICE.

NOW, POLITICAL COVERUP FOR A FEW PEOPLE AT THIS DIOCESE, UH, REALLY FOUGHT, FALLS OUT ON THE WORKERS AND THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY FIGHTING FOR, THEY'RE SUPPOSEDLY FIGHTING FOR CITY WORKERS SHOULD BE P****D AT THIS.

AND YOUR REVENUE GENERATING IDEAS, OH, COME ON.

THEY'RE RIDICULOUS.

IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM AT ANY, AT LEAST YOU DO, YOU DON'T TAKE ANY, UH, ANY OF THEM INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE THE CHANCES THAT OF THE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA FIZZLE OUT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OUR STAFF REPORT, WHICH IS THE BUSINESS ITEM 5.1, AND I'M GOING TO, UH, THIS IS OUR WORKSHOP NUMBER TWO, AND I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO OUR, UH, UM, ACTING CITY MANAGER.

WITH THAT, THAT'S THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE GO INTO

[5.1 Fiscal Year 2026-2027 Budget Workshop No. 2]

THANK YOU MAYOR.

COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND STAFF.

UM, THIS IS OUR SECOND BUDGET WORKSHOP, HIGH LEVEL.

WHAT WE WANT TO COVER TODAY IS WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE WITH WHERE WE LEFT OFF AT OUR LAST BUDGET WORKSHOP, WHICH WAS SHOWING A, A FAIRLY LARGE DEFICIT FOR FY 27.

UH, ONE OF OUR GOALS WAS TO WORK WITH THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS TO LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES FOR BUDGET REDUCTIONS, TO TRY TO CLOSE THAT DEFICIT AND ALSO HAVE THEM TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO MEASURES TO, UM, STREAMLINE OPERATIONS AND TO LOOK AT OTHER OFFSETTING REVENUE OPTIONS TO REDUCE THE IMPACT TO THE GENERAL FUND.

SO YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM EACH OF OUR DIRECTORS, UH, TODAY.

UH, I DO WANT TO STATE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE DIVE INTO PRESENTATION, I REALLY APPRECIATE HOW, UM, THIS TEAM CAME TOGETHER IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME AND REALLY PUT THE GREATER ORGANIZATION AND THE COMMUNITY FIRST, UH, AHEAD OF THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS.

SO, UH, I THINK WE HAVE A AMAZING TEAM HERE, UM, AMAZING GROUP OF EMPLOYEES AT, AT THE CITY.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS AND, UH, THIS IS A DIFFICULT SITUATION WE'RE IN, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTFUL APPROACH THAT STAFF HAS PUT INTO WHERE WE'RE AT SO FAR.

UH, I WOULD REMIND THE COUNSEL THAT WE DO HAVE A LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO, UH, FOR YOU GUYS TO ADOPT THE BUDGET BY JUNE 30TH.

SO, AGAIN, WHILE THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THE PROCESS AND METHODOLOGY, UH, WE DO WANT TO GET SOME, UH, FEEDBACK FROM YOU ON THESE BUDGET REDUCTIONS SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK ON JUNE 7TH WITH A PROPOSED BUDGET.

AGAIN, THERE IS OPPORTUNITIES TO REVISIT PROCESSES AND, AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS ANYTIME, ANY TIME OF THE YEAR.

IT IS A, A LIVING DOCUMENT, BUT WE DO HAVE A, A TIMELINE TO HIT HERE IN THE NEXT SIX WEEKS.

WITH THAT, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND TURN OVER TO, UH, PAUL VALEZ, OUR BUDGET MANAGER, UH, TO KICK OFF THE PRESENTATION.

HOW THE CITY FUNDS ITS STAFF.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR MORRISON, VICE MAYOR MOLINA, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, PAUL VALDEZ, BUDGET MANAGER.

FIRST, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW, UH, THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING TODAY AT THE WORKSHOP.

UH, FIRST I'LL BE GIVING AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY'S BUDGET PROCESS.

THAT'LL BE FOLLOWED BY A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET PRESENTED AT THE FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP ON MAY 4TH.

NEXT, EACH OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WILL GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THEIR DEPARTMENT AND, UH, LIST THEIR RECOMMENDED REDUCTIONS FOR THEIR FISCAL YEAR 27 PRELIMINARY BUDGET.

THAT'LL BE FOLLOWED BY SOME NEAR TERM AND LONG TERM REVENUE STRATEGIES.

SO DURING THE DISCUSSION PORTION OF THE MAY 4TH WORKSHOP, COUNCIL BROUGHT UP THE TOPIC OF ZERO BASED BUDGETING AND THE POSSIBILITY OF IMPLEMENTING THOSE CONCEPTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF FUTURE BUDGETS.

THE CITY DOES CURRENTLY USE A MODIFIED ZERO BASED BUDGET

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STRATEGY.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IS THE ZERO BASED APPROACH IS USED WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.

UH, THE ZERO BASED PROCESS IS APPLY TO DISCRETIONARY ACCOUNTS THAT DEPARTMENTS HAVE SOME MEASURE OF CONTROL OVER.

THESE INCLUDES CON THESE INCLUDE CONTRACTS, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, AND OTHER MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS ACCOUNTS.

THESE ACCOUNTS ARE BUILT FROM ZERO EACH YEAR, AND DEPARTMENTS ARE REQUIRED TO JUSTIFY THE REQUESTED AMOUNTS DURING THE CITY MANAGER REVIEW PROCESS.

WHILE THERE WILL BE INCREASES, ANY INCREASES ARE DUE TO INFLATION AND CONTRACTUAL OR OTHER OBLIGATIONS WHERE ZERO BASE NOT USED, ZERO BASED BUDGETING IS NOT USED, WHERE IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

FOR EXAMPLE, IT WOULD BE IMPRACTICAL TO ASK DEPARTMENTS EACH YEAR TO REQUEST EACH INDIVIDUAL POSITIONS.

INSTEAD, THE BASELINE BUDGET IS BASED ON POSITIONS THAT COUNCIL HAS PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED.

LIKEWISE, ITEMS WHERE THE COST IS ALREADY KNOWN, SUCH AS THE CITY'S UNFUNDED PENSION LIABILITY, PENSION OBLIGATION BONDS, AND LIABILITY AND WORKERS' COMP PREMIUMS ARE ALREADY KNOWN AND INCLUDED IN THE BASELINE.

SO HERE'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY'S BUDGET PROCESS AND HOW WE GO ABOUT IT.

SO THE BASELINE IS ESTABLISHED JUST TO MAINTAIN CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS.

UH, DEPARTMENTS GO INTO THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM.

THEY ENTER ALL OF THEIR ZERO BASED BUDGET DETAIL FOR THOSE ITEMS. UH, I JUST LISTED CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UH, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS ACCOUNTS.

FINANCE DEVELOPS ALL OF THE NON-DISCRETIONARY BUDGETS, UH, PRIMARILY THE PERSONNEL THAT'S BASED ON THE AUTHORIZED POSITIONS.

WE LOOK AT, UH, CURRENT SALARIES.

WE LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT, UH, IS IN THE MOUS.

WE, UH, APPLY ANY PERS AND HEALTH INCREASES, ET CETERA, TO THOSE PERSONNEL SERVICE ACCOUNTS.

SO WE DEVELOP THAT INTERNALLY AND, UH, SEED THE BUDGET WITH THOSE NUMBERS.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS OF THE CITY.

NOW, ENHANCEMENT REQUESTS ARE ALSO SUBMITTED, BUT THEY'RE SUBMITTED SEPARATELY.

UH, A CONCURRENT BUT SEPARATE PROCESS.

SO ANY REQUEST TO ENHANCE THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE GOES ON AN ENHANCEMENT REQUEST SUBMITTED INDEPENDENTLY.

UH, THAT'S NEW STAFFING REQUESTS OR NEW PROGRAMMERS REQUESTS.

AGAIN, ANYTHING TO THAT ENHANCES THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICES IS SUBMITTED INDEPENDENTLY.

SO THEN WE HAVE THE CITY MANAGER REVIEW.

SO DURING THE CITY MANAGER REVIEW WITH EACH DEPARTMENT, UH, WE REVIEW LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM, EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE BUDGET TO ENSURE THAT THE BASELINE BUDGET IS FOR CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS ONLY.

AT THAT TIME, THE CITY MANAGER ALSO LISTENS AND REVIEWS TO JUSTIFICATIONS FOR THOSE ENHANCEMENT REQUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.

THE FISCAL YEAR 27 PRELIMINARY BUDGET THAT YOU'VE SEEN INCLUDES ZERO ENHANCEMENT ITEMS, IS JUST TO MAINTAIN CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS.

THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN, THAT WAS WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE MAY 4TH BUDGET WORKSHOP.

THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES ARE A RECAP OF THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET INFORMATION PRESENTED AT THE MAY 4TH WORKSHOP.

IN THE GREEN COLUMN, WE SHOW TOTAL ESTIMATED GENERAL FUND REVENUES OF 76.4 MILLION FOR FISCAL YEAR 27.

THIS REPRESENTS A 3.6 INCREASE, PERCENT INCREASE OVER THE FISCAL YEAR 26 ADOPTED BUDGET WITH THE PRIMARY SOURCES BEING OUR SALES AND USE TAX AND DISTRICT TRANSACTION TAX.

ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, THE GREEN COLUMN SHOWS ESTIMATED FISCAL YEAR 27 EXPENDITURES OF 92.5 MILLION.

THIS IS AN 11.5% INCREASE OVER THE FISCAL YEAR 26 ADOPTED BUDGET.

THE PRIMARY DRIVER OF THIS INCREASE BEING PERSONNEL SERVICES DUE TO NEGOTIATED SALARY INCREASES WITH LABOR GROUPS AND A $1.9 MILLION INCREASE IN UNFUNDED PENSION LIABILITY IN THE GENERAL FUND.

AS A REMINDER, LABOR NEGOTIATIONS WERE ONGOING DURING LAST YEAR'S BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

SO THE FISCAL YEAR 26 ADOPTED BUDGET DID NOT INCLUDE THE COST OF THESE SALARY INCREASES.

AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, AT THE VERY BOTTOM LINE THERE, THAT'S WHERE THE, UH, THE 16.1 MILLION ESTIMATED DEFICIT FOR 27 COMES FROM.

BEING THAT PERSONNEL SERVICES MAKES UP 66% OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET, THOUGHT IT WOULD BE INFORMATIVE TO SHOW HOW THE CITY'S

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HERE WE SEE THAT 72.5% OF THE CITY'S FULL-TIME BENEFITED POSITIONS ARE WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND SWISS PERSONNEL AND COSTS INCREASE OVER TIME.

THE GENERAL FUND BEARS THE COST OF THE MAJORITY OF THAT INCREASE.

I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE GENERAL FUND PARTIALLY FUNDS THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUND GROUP VIA INTERNAL SERVICE CHARGES, AS WELL AS THE PARKS LIBRARY AND NUTRITION FUNDS.

BY WAY OF TRANSFERS OUT ANY INCREASES OR DECREASE TO THESE FUNDS IMPACT THE GENERAL FUND.

THE SLIDE WAS ALSO TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE MAY 4TH BUDGET WORKSHOP, STARTING WITH THE ESTIMATED ENDING FUND BALANCE FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, WHICH WAS PRESENTED IN DECEMBER OF 23.4 MILLION.

THEN SUBTRACTING THE FISCAL YEAR 26, 10 0.3 MILLION PROJECTED USE OF FUND BALANCE PRESENTED ON APRIL 21ST, LEAVES AN ESTIMATED 13.1 MILLION UNSIGNED FUND BALANCE GOING INTO FISCAL YEAR 27, APPLYING THE 16.1 MILLION DEFICIT FROM FISCAL YEAR 27.

PRELIMINARY BUDGET SHOWS THE REMAINING UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE NOT ONLY BEING DEPLETED, BUT ADDITIONAL $3 MILLION DEFICIT TO BE ABSORBED.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, UH, THE ESTIMATE OF $16.1 MILLION WOULD COMPLETELY EXHAUST THE ESTIMATED 13.1 UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF 26.

AND THEN OVER AND BEYOND THAT, AN ADDITIONAL $3 MILLION TO THAT END CITY MANAGER DIRECTED DEPARTMENTS TO IDENTIFY ACTIONS THAT COULD BE TAKEN TO REDUCE THE $3 MILLION PORTION OF THE DEFICIT THAT GOES BEYOND THE ESTIMATED UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.

THE SLIDE SHOWS THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I'M NOT GONNA GO DOWN EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY BECAUSE DEPARTMENTS WILL PROVIDE DETAILS OF THE ITEMS ON THIS SLIDE DURING THE DEPARTMENT DISCUSSIONS.

BUT IF YOU WORK YOUR WAY DOWN THE LIST, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT NOT ALL OF THE REDUCTIONS ARE IN THE GENERAL FUND.

HOWEVER, REDUCTIONS IN THESE FUNDS REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT REQUIRED OF THE GENERAL FUND BY REDUCTION, BY REDUCING TRANSFERS OR INTERNAL SERVICE FUND CHARGES.

AND SPECIFICALLY I'M REFERRING TO, UH, NUTRITION FUND AND, UH, LIBRARY FUND AND THE VEHICLE FUND.

I WILL NOW TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO CITY MANAGER WHO WILL INTRODUCE THE DEPARTMENT DISCUSSIONS.

THANK YOU, PAUL.

UH, WE'RE, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE GONNA GO DEPARTMENT ON DEPARTMENT.

UH, THEY WILL, UH, PROVIDE, UH, SOME DETAILS ON THE BUDGET REDUCTION MEASURES AND ALSO REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, AND OTHER CREATIVE IDEAS TO REDUCE THE IMPACT, UH, ON THE GENERAL FUND.

WITH THAT, WE'LL START WITH, UH, CHIEF FERNANDEZ.

BEEN WORKING AT HALF STAFF WITH THEM, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE SEEING 63,000 CALLS FOR SERVICE UP HERE ON THE BOARD.

THANK YOU, STEVE.

SO FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, HERE'S THE PROPOSED, UM, FREEZING POSITIONS.

THIS IS THE OVERALL BUDGET, MY APOLOGIES OVERALL BUDGET FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF THAT FOR 140 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.

UM, WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO IS, IS LOOK AT FREEZING OUR, SOME OF OUR POSITIONS.

THESE ARE THE PROPOSED POSITIONS AS WELL AS THE M AND O FOR THE TOTAL OF 424.

IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT DURING THIS FISCAL YEAR, UH, DUE TO UNFILLED POSITIONS WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THERE'S BEEN A SALARY SAVINGS OF APPROXIMATELY NORTH OF $2 MILLION.

A LITTLE BIT OVER $2 MILLION.

SO, UM, SOME OF THE SALARY SAVINGS, AS I TALKED ABOUT 2.1 MILLION AND THE IMPACTS IT'S GONNA HAVE WITH US AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COMPLETELY STAFF AND WE HAVE A PATROL THAT'S ADEQUATELY STAFFING WITH OUR OFFICERS, RESPONDING TO EMERGENCIES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND IT, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, AND I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS NUMEROUS TIMES, THAT A POLICE OFFICER TO TURN OVER A POLICE OFFICER, IT TAKES US ROUGHLY ABOUT A YEAR TO GET THEM OUT IN THE FIELD.

SO IT'S A VERY LONG AND SLOW PROCESS FOR US.

UM, THAT MAKES IT VERY CHALLENGING.

UH, THIS ENTIRE FISCAL YEAR, WE'VE BEEN WORKING UNDER STAFFED IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

DISPATCH IS EVEN WORSE FOR US BECAUSE WE'VE

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REALISTICALLY, WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND CALLS THAT ARE COMING INTO OUR DISPATCH CENTER.

SOME OF THOSE ARE TRANSFER OUTS, SOME OF THOSE ARE HANGUPS.

SO OUR DISPATCHERS ARE EXTREMELY BUSY.

AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING CREATIVELY IS CAN WE GET LIKE AN AI SYSTEM, UH, TO START ASSISTING US? LIKE OTHER AGENCIES, THE SHERIFF'S LOOKED INTO IT.

SO WHAT THEY HAVE IS AN AI DRIVEN PROGRAM THAT WILL ANSWER THE CALLS ON A, ON A PHONE TREE, AND THEN IT GENERATES THE CALLS FOR SERVICE.

SO IT'LL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE NEED TO HAVE MULTIPLE DISPATCHERS IN OUR COMM CENTER, SOME OF THE OVERTIME SUMMARY.

SO IT'S BUDGETED AT 1.3 MILLION OF THE TOTAL BUDGET, WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR 3.8% OF THE TOTAL BUDGET, UH, ROUGHLY WE'RE AT 5% OF OUR ENTIRE BUDGET IS ON OT.

HERE'S, UH, JUST A SNAPSHOT.

SOME OF THE CRITICAL AREAS THAT YOU GUYS SHOULD BE LOOKING AT.

UH, SOME OF THE CRITICAL INCIDENTS.

I COULD GO INTO DETAIL IF YOU NEED TO.

SOME OF THE CRITICAL INCIDENTS ACCOUNT FOR THAT AMOUNT.

THE PERCENTAGES ARE NEXT TO IT.

UH, THE FIVE THAT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ARE CITY INITIATIVE.

UH, OVERTIME THAT ACCOUNTS FOR 7%, AND THAT'S OUR, THE POLICE OFFICER THAT SITS IN THE BACK.

NORMALLY AT OUR, AT OUR MEETINGS, UH, THE ELEVATED, UH, RESPONSES THAT WE'VE DONE FOR PROSTITUTION, UM, THE 4TH OF JULY EVENTS, THOSE ARE TO ACCOUNT FOR SOME OF 'EM.

AND THEN 230,000 OR 14% ACCOUNT FOR THE GRANT REIMBURSEMENT.

SO A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPERATIONS THAT WE DO HAVE REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR THE STATE GOVERNMENT FOR THAT MATTER.

SO THAT'S MONEY COMING BACK TO THE CITY.

UH, THE LARGEST BULK, AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS IS OUR DISPATCH CENTER BECAUSE WE'RE SO UNDERSTAFFED IN THERE, THAT ACCOUNTS FOR 15% OF WHAT WE DO.

ALSO, THERE YOU, YOU DO SEE, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF THE LIBRARY ACCOUNTS FOR 3%, UH, FOR OUR STAFFING, OUR OVERTIME.

I TALKED ABOUT THE REIMBURSEMENT.

HERE ARE A, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT GROUPS OR A DIFFERENT PROGRAMMING THAT WE HAVE THAT'S BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL FOR US TO GET REIMBURSEMENT THROUGH THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING ONE.

UM, AS YOU GUYS ALL KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING OPERATIONS DOWN ROOSEVELT, AND IF WE HAVE STATE FUNDING, WE GET REIMBURSEMENT FOR THAT.

THE SLOT IS A FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM.

SO ALL OF THESE ACCOUNT FOR ROUGHLY $286,000 THAT IT'S COMING BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES AND OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, WE'RE THE OPIOID FUNDS, UH, WALTER IS WORKING ON THIS.

UH, THIS IS A CITY MONEY THAT WE HAVE.

HOW CAN WE WORK TO, UH, STRATEGICALLY STREAMLINE SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE DO AND, AND, UH, REIMBURSE SOME OF OUR DEPARTMENT, UH, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WITH THAT? THE COPS GRANT IS MONEY THAT THE CITY GETS THAT WE UTILIZE TO MAKE PURCHASES LIKE, UH, OR VEST, BODY-WORN CAMERAS AND DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT.

THE STOP GRANT IS A FEDERAL PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE THAT ALLOWS US TO BUY EQUIPMENT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO OFFSET THE GENERAL FUND.

THE ALARM PROGRAM SYSTEM IS $84,000 THAT WE GET ANNUALLY FROM RESPONDING TO ALARMS IN THE COMMUNITY, PRIMARILY ON BUSINESSES.

AND THAT'LL ALLOW US TO MAYBE LOOK INTO THE AI DISPATCHING SYSTEM THAT I'M REFERRING TO.

IT COULD OFFSET THAT AND PAY FOR IT BY ON ITS OWN.

UH, ANOTHER REVENUE COULD BE PARKING CITATIONS.

SO IF WE DO CITE PEOPLE ON MUNI CODE VIOLATIONS OR TRAFFIC DIVISION, AND THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT TEAM CAN OFFSET SOME OF THOSE COSTS, UH, PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE, WHEN THEY DO ASSET RECOVERY, THAT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

AND WE CAN UTILIZE THAT MONEY TO REMODEL AND, UH, BUY THEM THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY NEED.

UH, THE RECORDS DIVISION, UH, WHEN THEY, WHEN PEOPLE PAY FOR REPORTS, THAT IS A ROUGH NUMBER OF THE MONEY THAT'S GOING INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

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AND THE MOST RECENT ONE IS A LIVE SCAN PROGRAM.

THIS REALLY ALLOWS US TO DO A COST NEUTRAL, UH, SERVICE FOR OUR COMMUNITY IF THEY NEED, UH, FINGERPRINTING.

UM, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE THAT COULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR US THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IS, UH, STAFFING IN THE RAT, THE REGIONAL AUTO TASK FORCE TEAM.

THAT GRANT, OR THAT COUNTY FUNDED PROGRAM ALLOWS FOR $120,000 FOR A SALARY OF A POLICE OFFICER.

SO THAT WOULD BE IN A REIMBURSEMENT.

UM, THE SCHOOLS, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE SWEETWATER UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WELL AS THE NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SO THEY PAY COMPLETELY FOR THE TWO POLICE OFFICERS AT OUR SCHOOLS.

AND THEN WE'RE ALSO ALWAYS LOOKING FOR GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, BOTH IN THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL LEVEL, WHERE WE CAN UTILIZE, UH, AND REIMBURSE SOME OF THE COSTS THAT WE HAVE THAT WON'T IMPACT THE GENERAL FUND.

THANK YOU, ALEX.

GOOD, GOOD AFTERNOON.

SERGIO MOORE, FIRE CHIEF.

UM, I'LL PICK UP WHERE, WHERE ALICE, ALICE LEFT OFF.

UH, ON THE SCREEN, YOU SEE THE FAR FRONT FOR THE CHAIR.

DO WE DO EACH DEPARTMENT TO MAKE QUESTIONS OR LET'S WAIT UNTIL THE END AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK ON.

HMM, THAT WILL.

WAS, UH, THE FIRST FULL YEAR OF FOUR PERSON STAFFING WAS OUR LOWEST OVERTIME YEAR, YEAR TO DATE WE'RE AT 29,472 HOURS, WITH THE LARGEST IMPACT ATTRIBUTED TO THE LONG-TERM INJURIES AND VACANCIES, WHICH RESULTED IN 11,325 HOURS OR 38% OF THE OVERALL TOTAL YEAR OVER YEAR.

UH, THERE YOU HAVE OUR, UH, BUDGET FOR THE, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 27, INCLUDING, UH, OUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AT 58.

UH, THE REVENUE CATEGORY YOU SEE IS 1.8 9 9 500, JUST SHY OF $2 MILLION.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO, UH, FOCUS ON THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.

AND WE HAVE SEVERAL INITIATIVES THAT YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT LATER ON, BUT THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO AS, AS ABOUT, AS A MEANS BY WHICH TO OFFSET THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES.

UH, AS, UH, AS, AS PAUL MENTIONED, PERSONAL SERVICES ARE THE GREATEST, YOU KNOW, EXPENSE IN, IN THIS CATEGORY FOR A TOTAL BUDGET OF 16.995, OR JUST SHY OF $17 MILLION.

UH, OUR PROPOSED REDUCTIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 27, UH, OUR IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, WE'D LIKE TO FREEZE ONE FULL-TIME PLAN CHECKER.

WE HAVE NEVER EMPLOYED THAT POSITION, SO WE DON'T SEE THAT TO HAVE ANY, UH, REALLY NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO SERVICE DELIVERY, UH, OR, OR, OR OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE.

ADDITIONALLY, WE, WE PROPOSE TO FREEZE TWO OF OUR FULL-TIME FIREFIGHTERS FOR HALF OF THE FISCAL YEAR AND REALLY REASSESS WHERE WE ARE AT, UH, AT MIDYEAR IN REGARDS TO OUR PERSONNEL.

AND THEN LOOKING AT OUR M AND O UH, ACCOUNTS, TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE WE CAN REDUCE, UH, BY 5%.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL TRACK THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AS WE'RE ABLE TO ADJUST AND, UH, DEFER SOME OF THOSE EXPENSES AND TRY TO COME UP WITH A, A TOTAL, A PROPOSED REDUCTION TOTAL OF 231,000, UH, AND $154.

UH, ON, IN REGARDS TO OVERTIME, UH, IT'S, I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT WE DO HAVE TWO, WHAT WE CALL BUDGETS, UH, OVERTIME BUDGETS.

ONE OF 'EM IS THE REIMBURSABLE, UH, OVERTIME THAT WE ARE REIMBURSED, BUT THE STATE, UH, FOR STATEWIDE FIRE, FIRE RESPONSE, THOSE NUMBERS ARE NOT IN THIS ANALYSIS.

I WILL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, CHIEF DAY, WHO IS MY ANALYST, AND HE CAN GIVE YOU A DETAILED EXPLANATION ON REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN REGARDS TO OUR OVERTIME TO BETTER UNDERSTAND IT AND BE ABLE TO CATEGORIZE IT AND EXPLAIN TO ALL OF YOU WHERE THOSE DOLLARS GO.

BUT JEREMY MAYOR COUNCIL, UH, STAFF JEREMY DAY BATTALION CHIEF.

SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS A SNAPSHOT OF A INTERACTIVE, UH, DASHBOARD THAT WE HAVE BUILT WITHIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

UM, THIS GOES BACK TO FISCAL YEAR 2022.

UM, IT ALLOWS US TO, THIS IS A SELECTABLE DASHBOARD, ALLOWS US TO DRILL DOWN TO EACH INDIVIDUAL CATEGORY OR GROUP THEM TOGETHER TO LOOK AT TRENDS, UH, OVER FISCAL YEARS.

THIS HAS ALLOWED US TO PREDICT, UM, THE OVERALL USAGE OF OVERTIME AND, AND BETTER, BETTER PREDICT THE BUDGETED NEEDS FOR SUCH AS ACADEMIES OR PARAMEDIC SCHOOLS.

AND THEN TRACK WHEN WE CHANGE THOSE, UM, PROGRAMS IF THEY'RE MAKING AN IMPACT.

I HAVE A 20 PAGE REPORT THAT I HAVE WRITTEN ON OVER TIME, BUT I WAS TOLD I HAD THE ONLY TWO SLIDES, I'VE BEEN KNOWN TO TAKE OVER MEETINGS.

UM, SO LOOKING AT THE, THE HISTORICAL FINDINGS, UH, THE HIGHEST YEAR WAS 38,000 HOURS IN 2023, AND THE LOWEST WAS LAST YEAR IN FISCAL 2025, WHICH

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THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN THESE TWO CATEGORIES OF 7,143.

YOU HEAR ME TALKING ABOUT HOURS.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE PERSONNEL COSTS CHANGE FISCAL YEAR TO FISCAL YEAR.

SO WE FOCUS ON HOURS WORKED BECAUSE THOSE HOURS CAN BE DIRECTLY COMPARED YEAR OVER YEAR.

OUR ESTIMATED FISCAL YEAR TOTAL FOR 26 IS 35,000 TO 30,000, 35,500 OR 36,000, WHICH IS 3.5% ABOVE THE AVERAGE OF 34,800.

SOME OF OUR OPPORTUNITIES, IF, HOLD ON JEREMY, IF I MAY.

I'D LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, AS PAUL HAS MENTIONED, AND ALEX MENTIONED, BEING UNDERSTAFFED DOES AFFECT OUR OVERTIME, UH, AS WE HAVE TO STAFF THOSE POSITIONS.

AND WE'VE HAD, WE'VE BEEN UNDERSTAFFED BY ABOUT JUST AROUND TWO FOR THE PAST FISCAL, UH, FOR A PORTION OF THE YEAR.

SO WE CONSIDER THAT TO BE OFFSET BY THE SAVINGS IN, IN PERSONNEL SERVICES, IF, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, WHEN YOU REMOVE THE HOURS ATTRIBUTED TO TRUE VACANCIES.

UM, WE ARE JUST ABOVE WHAT WE PREDICTED TO BE IN OUR HOURS OF OVERTIME.

NOW, IN THE BUDGET, WE ARE ABOVE THE BUDGETED NUMBER, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE PERSONNEL INCREASE IN COSTS THAT HAPPENED DURING THE BUDGET YEAR, WHICH WASN'T INCLUDED WHEN WE SET THE BUDGET.

UM, SOME OF OUR, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO, TO REDUCE OVERTIME, UH, FOUR PERSON STAFFING ON ENGINE 34 ALLOWS FLEXIBLE STAFFING WHEN THERE'S LESS THAN 10 HOURS, UH, VACANCY IN ITS DEPARTMENT RELATED, THAT HAS RESULTED THIS YEAR IN 950 HOUR REDUCTION.

FURTHER, FURTHER IMPLEMENTATION OF FOUR PERSON STAFFING WOULD ALLOW GREATER FLEXIBILITY ON, ON TWO ENGINES.

WE TRANSITIONED FROM PARAMEDIC SCHOOL PROVIDED BY SAN DIEGO FIRE TO, UH, SOUTHWESTERN COLLEGE, AND THAT RESULTED IN 1200 HOURS REDUCTION IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

AND WE PROPOSE IMPLEMENTING A CONTRACT WITH A COMPANY CALLED READY REBOUND, WHICH WOULD ASSIST WITH, UH, GETTING OUR FOLKS BACK FROM INJURY FASTER AND PREDICTED 20 TO 30% OF REDUCTION.

WITH ALL OF THESE REDUCTIONS COMBINED, UM, WE WOULD SEE ROUGHLY A $400,000 REDUCTION IN OVERTIME COSTS.

BACK TO YOU CHIEF.

AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN, IN REGARDS TO REVENUE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO.

UH, WE HAVE ROUGHLY OUT OF THE 1.9 MILLION THAT WE BRING IN, IN, UH, IN REVENUE ANNUALLY, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THOSE, UH, REVENUE SOURCES TOO, TO DO BETTER.

ONE OF THEM BEING, UH, OUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE PORT DISTRICT.

THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, TO INCREASE THOSE REVENUES AS WELL AS THE SERVICE WE PROVIDE TO THE LOWER SWEETWATER FIRE POTENTIAL DISTRICT AND ADDITIONAL SOURCES THAT WE CAN FOCUS ON THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING.

BUT IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU HAVE, UH, FOUR PROPOSALS FOR NEW REVENUE SOURCES, OR WHAT I MIGHT ALSO REFER TO AS COST RECOVERY FOR SERVICES WE CURRENTLY PROVIDE.

UH, THE FIRST ONE, UH, ARE AMBULANCE TRANSPORT SERVICES.

YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT TOMORROW NIGHT.

I KNOW YOU'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

BUT IF WE WERE TO FUND THAT INITIALLY, WE COULD REMOVE TWO OF OUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES FROM THE GENERAL FUND EXPENSE, TRANSFERRED OVER TO OUR ENTERPRISE FUND AND SAVE ABOUT $450,000, UH, BY THE, BY THE TRANSFER OR THE REASSIGNMENT OF, TO OUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES TO THAT, TO THAT PROGRAM.

NEXT STEP WILL BE, UH, IMPLEMENTING A RETIRED ANNUITANT PROGRAM.

AND I DO HAVE A STAFF REPORT, UH, BUT IN, IN ESSENCE, THIS IS WHERE WE HIRE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES, AND THESE ARE PRIMARILY RETIRED CHIEF OFFICERS FROM EITHER FEDERAL, FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

AND, UH, THEY CONTINUE THEIR SERVICE IN INCIDENT MANAGEMENT TEAMS THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

SO THESE WOULD BE, THESE WOULD BE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES TO THE CITY.

WE DO NOT COMPENSATE THEM.

THEIR, THEIR SALARIES ARE, ARE REIMBURSED TO THE CITY AT A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR RESPONSE TO STATEWIDE EMERGENCIES.

AND ADDITIONALLY FOR THE CITY, WE WOULD CAPTURE THE, UH, OUR ADMINISTRATIVE FEE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY 24.6%.

SO AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE YOU SEND OUT A GENTLEMAN, UH, THEY'RE PAID $10,000 BY THE, BY THE ENTITY THAT HAS REQUESTED THEM.

THE CITY WOULD SEE A 24.6% INC IN, UH, REVENUE

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FROM THAT DEPLOYMENT.

OVER THE PAST, UH, 12 YEARS SINCE WE BEGAN THIS PROGRAM, WE'VE GENERATED ROUGHLY $1.5 MILLION FOR THE CITY.

THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO FURTHER INCREASE THAT, UH, THAT, THAT SOURCE OF REVENUE.

AND I CAN CERTAINLY GIVE YOU DETAILS ON THAT AT A, AT A AT ANOTHER TIME.

I ONLY HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

UH, NUMBER THREE, IMPLEMENT A LIFT ASSIST PROGRAM.

SO WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE IS WE WOULD GO, UH, WHEN WE RESPOND TO CARE FACILITIES, JUST TO THE, THE NATURE OF THE RESPONSES, JUST TO ASSIST THEM IN LIFTING A PATIENT FROM THE GROUND TO THE BED.

AND THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LEGISLATION TO CAPTURE FEES TO THOSE, UH, THOSE SORT OF FACILITIES.

UH, WE DID NOT LOOK AT THE NUMBERS GREATLY, BUT IT'S, IT'D BE SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF 50 TO $75,000 CONSERVATIVELY IN, IN, IN, IN REVENUE TO THE CITY.

AND THE FOURTH, UH, THE FIRST RESPONDER FEE PROGRAM, WE'VE, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GAINING TRACTION IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DUE TO, DUE TO, UH, LITIGATION THAT WAS PASSED IN 2010.

UH, CURRENTLY THE NEAREST DEPARTMENT TO OURS THAT IMPLEMENTS A FIRST RESPONDER FEE IS, UH, THE CITY OF LONG BEACH.

AND, AND WHAT THIS IS, IS THIS, THIS, UH, CAPTURES THE COST OF AN ENGINE COMPANY CREW FROM WHEN THEY ARRIVE ON SCENE TO A RESIDENT TO WHEN THEY TRANSFER THAT PATIENT OVER TO WHOMEVER THE TRANSPORTING ENTITY IS.

NOW, UH, THIS WOULD ONLY BE CHARGED, THIS FEE WOULD ONLY BE CHARGED TO INSURANCE COMPANIES.

WE WOULD HAVE A COMPASSIONATE, UH, BILLING FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE UNDERINSURED OR NOT INSURED.

AND, UH, THIS WOULD GENERATE APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR BASED ON CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS.

I SHOULD ADD THAT THIS WOULD GO, UH, THIS WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO IMPLEMENT IF WE HAVE OUR AMBULANCE TRANSPORT SYSTEM, WHERE IT'D BE ONE BILLING COMPANY AND THEY WOULD DIRECTLY, UH, INTERACT WITH INSURANCE COMPANIES BASED ON OUR CALL VOLUME AND OUR PAYER MIX.

AGAIN, CONSERVATIVE CONSERVATIVELY A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY FOR JUST THAT PROGRAM.

AND, UH, ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS THIS NEXT STEP.

I THINK THAT WAS FIVE MINUTES, STEVE .

CLOSE ENOUGH.

GOOD.

I'LL GIVE YOU BACK SOME OF YOUR TIME PROBABLY.

UH, HI .

UM, MARTA JUAREZ.

I'M THE ACTING DIRECTOR FOR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS.

UH, I'LL BE PRESENTING TO YOU THE ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, UM, GENERAL BUDGET, UH, DETAIL, AS WELL AS, UH, SOME OF THOSE IDEAS FOR EXPENSE REDUCTION AND REVENUE, UH, GENERATING, UH, JUST A REALLY HIGH LEVEL REMINDER THAT, UH, ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS IS THE SERVICE ARM OF THE CITY THAT DOES EVERYTHING THAT'S OVER AND UNDER THE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS, INCLUDING ALSO YOUR PARKS, FACILITIES AND FLEETS.

SO WE DO QUITE A BIT WITH OUR 72 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.

UM, OH, OKAY.

SO I'LL START WITH GENERAL FUND.

SO ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS DOES HAVE, UM, FUNDING IN, IN SEVEN SEPARATE FUNDS.

I'LL GO OVER SOME OF THE DETAIL OF A FEW OF THEM HERE.

UM, IN THE GENERAL FUND, UH, WE HAVE ABOUT 9.7 FTES AND, UM, THIS OTHER REVENUE GENERATION HERE IS PRIMARILY UTILITY PERMITS, INSPECTIONS AND OTHER PERMIT FEES THAT OUR DEPARTMENT OVERSEES.

AND REALLY WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE TOTAL EXPENDITURE FOR RUNNING ALL OF THOSE, UH, SERVICES, AS I INDICATED, UM, THAT WE COVER THROUGH ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS, UM, AS WELL AS NOT JUST THE INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT, UM, IN THIS CASE A LOT OF THE ENGINEERING AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, CIP PROJECTS, ET CETERA.

UM, THE NEXT FUND IS THE PARKS FUND.

UH, THIS HAS 13 EMPLOYEES, AND IT'S REALLY PRIMARILY FUNDED THROUGH A PROPERTY TAX ALLOCATION THAT WAS ESTABLISHED DECADES AGO.

UM, AS WELL AS, UH, SOME TRANSFERS IN FROM THE GENERAL FUND IN ORDER TO, IN ORDER TO COVER ALL OF THE EXPENDITURES TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE, NOT JUST ALL OF THE CITY PARKS, BUT OUR PARKWAYS, A LOT OF THE LANDSCAPING YOU SEE AROUND THE CITY ON, UM, RIGHT IN RIGHT OF WAY SPACES.

UM, I WILL MOVE THIS FORWARD.

THE FACILITY MAINTENANCE FUND IS, UH, IS ACTUALLY FUNDED, UH, THE 17 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES THAT, UH, SERVICE ALL OF THE FACILITIES WITHIN THE CITY'S ACTUALLY FUNDED THROUGH THIS INTERNAL SERVICE FUND MECHANISM.

SO THAT'S EFFECTIVELY WHAT YOU SEE HERE.

IT'S, IT'S LARGELY JUST BALANCING THE EXPENDITURES OF RUNNING THE CITY FACILITIES AND THE INTERNAL CHARGES

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TO COVER THAT COST.

NEXT, WE HAVE THE VEHICLE SERVICE FUND.

AGAIN, THIS IS THE ENTIRE FLEET OF CITY VEHICLES.

ALL OF THE OWNED AND LEASED VEHICLES, UM, ARE MAINTAINED, UH, THROUGH OUR FIVE PERSON CREW, AND AGAIN, CHARGED TO ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN A PROPORTIONATE MATTER.

UM, HERE I'LL POINT OUT, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS IS THE LARGEST NUMBER ON THE EXPENSES.

UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY, UM, ACQUISITIONS AS WELL AS LEASES OF OUR FLEET.

SO IT'S NOT JUST THE ACTUAL MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF OUR VEHICLES, BUT ALL OF THAT COST TO HAVE A FLEET AS WELL.

AND THEN LASTLY, UH, AGGREGATED HERE IS THE OTHER FUNDS WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT THAT'S THE GAS TAX, WHICH IS, UM, AN AGGREGATION OF THE FUNDS WE RECEIVE THROUGH, UH, REGIONAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL, UH, REALLY STATE LEVEL, REALLY GAS TAX.

UM, WE HAVE OUR STREETS CREW THAT'S PRIMARILY FUNDED AND ALL OF THE SUPPORT, UH, STAFF FOR THAT.

A SEWER SERVICE FUND, WHICH IS, UH, SELF-EXPLANATORY.

OUR WASTEWATER OPERATIONS, WHICH IS OUR LARGEST CREW THERE.

AND THE REFUSE ENTERPRISE FUND, UH, WHICH EFFECTIVELY FUNDS OUR TWO STREET SWEEPERS FROM THOSE REVENUES.

UM, WE ALSO WILL CONTINUE TO LEVERAGE THE GENERAL FUND AND OTHER FUNDS, UH, FOR CIP, UH, GRANTS FROM STATE AND REGIONAL AND FEDERAL SOURCES.

AS FAR AS, UH, REDUCTIONS THAT WE'VE, UH, LOOKED AT IN, IN OUR OPERATIONS AND WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UH, FIND SOME SAVINGS, UH, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN THE SUMMARY TABLE THERE THAT WE'VE, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING SOME EXPENSE REDUCTIONS THAT ADD UP TO ABOUT $1.55 MILLION.

UM, THIS IS LARGELY FROM THE CIP REQUEST.

SO WE ARE, UH, COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, HOLDING FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, DEFERRING TO THE FUTURE.

ANY, UH, FUNDING THAT WOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO OUR CIP PROGRAM OF A MILLION DOLLARS.

UH, WE ARE COMFORTABLE THAT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT BALANCE IN OUR CIP ACCOUNT AT THIS TIME, UH, FOR ALL OF OUR COMMITMENTS FOR GRANT FUNDED CIP PROJECTS AND OTHERS THAT ARE UNDER CONTRACT AND ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES A LOCAL MATCH.

UM, THE OTHER ONE I, I LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE, THAT'S A LARGER NUMBER THERE, IS THE REDUCTION OF CONTRACT SERVICES.

SO THIS IS, UM, THE EXPENSE LINE ITEM FROM WHICH WE PAY, UH, CONTRACTORS, VENDORS TO ASSIST WITH DOING A LOT OF THE WORK THAT, UM, IS BEYOND THE, THE SCOPE AND THE AVAILABILITY OF OUR IN-HOUSE STAFF.

SO THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE SOME REDUCTION IN SOME OF THE CHANNEL MAINTENANCE AND HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT, CLEANUPS AND SO ON.

UM, AND THE, THE NEXT ONE IS A REDUCTION OF VEHICLE REPLACEMENT CHARGES.

UH, WE FEEL COMFORTABLE REDUCING THAT AMOUNT BY 161,000.

THIS EFFECTIVELY IS, UM, AFTER WE CONDUCTED A CLOSER ANALYSIS OF THE LIFECYCLE AND AGE OF OUR FLEET AND VEHICLES AND, UM, OUR COMFORT LEVEL WITH PUSHING OUT SOME OF THE REPLACEMENT OF VEHICLES A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

SO THAT RESULTS IN SOME SAVINGS TO THE CITY.

UM, AND I THINK I MAY HAVE SKIPPED OVER, BUT ONE, THE LAST, UM, ITEM HERE IS FREEZING ONE OF OUR POSITIONS WITHIN THE ENGINEERING DIVISION.

WE DO HAVE A, UH, VACANCY OF AN ASSISTANT ENGINEER, AND, UM, 75% OF THAT SALARY IS COVERED THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND.

WE WOULD, UH, PROPOSE FREEZING THAT POSITION THIS YEAR AND JUST CONTINUING TO OPERATE WITH THE, WITH THE STAFFING LEVEL WITHOUT THAT, THAT PERSON.

AS FAR AS REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES, UM, I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT IN THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SHIFTED AS, AS YOU'VE ADOPTED THE USER FEE SCHEDULE.

LAST SUMMER, WE SHIFTED TO A FULL COST RECOVERY MODEL.

WE USED TO HAVE, UM, A SET SET OF FEES FOR THE WORK THAT WE DO FOR A LOT OF THE PERMITS, UM, ISSUED BY THE ENGINEERING DIVISION.

SO WE ARE COMFORTABLE THAT IN THIS NEW MODEL, WE WILL BE, UM, RECOVERING THE FULL COST, NOT JUST THE ESTIMATE THAT WAS UNDER THE PREVIOUS, UH, FEE-BASED MODEL, UH, OR, UH, FIXED FEE-BASED MODEL.

UM, WE ALSO ARE ANXIOUSLY AWAITING, UH, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT COMPLETING THE PAYROLL, UH, MODULE WITHIN MUNIS.

SO THAT WILL ALLOW US TO, UM, DO A CLOSER, CLOSER WORK WITH, UH, PROJECT ACCOUNTING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE REIMBURSEMENTS THROUGH, UM, SOME OF THE GRANT FUNDS AS WELL AS JUST, UM, THE FULL COST RECOVERY, UM, ACCOUNTING AND, AND ADMINISTRATION OF THAT.

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AND THEN FINALLY, AND THIS IS, THIS IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE THAT IS, UM, A SIZABLE REVENUE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY.

UM, AND THAT IS THAT WE HAVE, UH, WHAT'S KNOWN AS UNFUNDED LIABILITIES, RIGHT? REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS, UM, FEDERAL AND STATE REQUIREMENTS, UM, UH, THAT WE HAVE TO OPERATE AND, AND COMPLY WITH, REQUIRE US TO DO A LOT OF STORMWATER WORK.

YET THERE IS NO FUNDING SOURCES FOR OUR STORMWATER CREW AND A LOT OF THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS WORK THAT WE DO.

SO WE, UH, HAVE BEGAN THE EVALUATION, UM, WITH AN EXPERT CONSULTANT THIS FISCAL YEAR TO IDENTIFY, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A FEE, UH, SIMILAR TO HOW WE HAVE A, A SEWER SERVICE FEE MODEL TO HAVE A STORM WATER SERVICE FEE MODEL.

AND, UM, IN THE FALL, ONCE WE COMPLETE THE EVALUATION ANALYSIS AND HAVE, UM, ALL OF THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE, WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT BACK TO COUNSEL FOR REVIEW AND EVALUATION.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR.

CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS DAVID WELCH WITH THE PLANNING DIVISION.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF DIRECTOR, UH, MARTIN REER FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

I ALSO HAVE, UH, OUR HOUSING AUTHORITY MANAGER, ANGEL DE PALMER, TO HELP US OUT WITH HOUSING.

UM, THIS IS A, UH, FOUR DIVISION DEPARTMENT, SO I'LL GO THROUGH, UH, FIRST WE HAVE BUILDING, UM, MOST OF THE WORK DONE IN BUILDING IS A RESULT OF, UH, FEES THAT ARE IN TAKEN IN.

UM, SO WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF REVENUE, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.

UM, AND THEN THE TOTAL EXPENDITURES ARE ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 1.5 MILLION.

THE PROPOSED REDUCTION FOR BUILDING IS TO BASICALLY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF HOURS FOR PART-TIME BUILDING INSPECTOR.

THE SECOND DIVISION IS PLANNING, UM, PLANNING, UH, IT'S MORE OF A, A SERVICE ORIENTED DIVISION.

UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE JUST OVER FOUR, FOUR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.

UH, TOTAL EXPENDITURES ARE 856,000 APPROXIMATELY.

UM, CURRENTLY PLANNING IS PLANNING ON REDUCING, UH, 90,000 WITH A FREEZE OF THE PLANNING TECHNICIAN POSITION.

THAT'S PRIMARILY OUR, OUR FRONT COUNTER PLANNER, UM, WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, GRAFFITI ABATEMENT.

UM, THE TOTAL EXPENDITURES ARE, UH, A LITTLE OVER 1.5 MILLION.

UM, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON POTENTIAL REVENUE, UH, INCREASES AT THE END.

UM, WITH THAT, I CAN TURN IT OVER TO, WELL, ONE OF THE FULL-TIME OR TWO OF THE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES ARE ALSO, UH, FUNDED BY THE HOUSING AUTHORITY FUND.

UM, WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE, TURN IT OVER TO ANGELITA.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND STAFF.

UH, SO IN THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DEPARTMENT, YOU DO SEE THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY DOES COVER TWO OF THE FULL-TIME, UH, POSITIONS IN FISCAL YEAR, UH, 2026, WE STARTED COVERING THOSE POSITIONS AND SOUGHT SEEK TO MOVE THEM TO GRANT FUNDS.

UH, IN FISCAL YEAR 2027, WE WILL BE COVERING, UH, ONE OF THE POSITIONS WITH, WITH, UM, CDPG FUNDS, WHICH WERE APPROVED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY FUNDS YOU ARE LOOKING AT.

SO WE HAVE, UH, FIVE OF OUR FUNDS LISTED.

AND THOSE, UH, POSITIONS WE HAVE, UM, WILL ACTUALLY, UM, COVER 17 OF OUR FULL-TIME STAFF MEMBERS.

SO, UM, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY FUND, UH, FOR THAT, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY FUNDS THAT WE HAVE LISTED HAVE NO IMPACT TO THE CITY'S GENERAL FUNDS.

AND, UH, WE DO SEEK TO COVER THE CITY'S, UH, PROPERTY AGENT, WHICH DOES HAVE AN IMPACT TO THE GENERAL FUND.

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SO IT'S PARTIALLY COVERED BY THE, UH, GENERAL FUND AND BY THE HOUSING AUTHORITY FUND.

AND I'M JUST GONNA GO BACK A SLIDE HERE.

UM, I APOLOGIZE, I THINK I SKIPPED OVER THIS ONE.

UH, SO THIS IS THE GENERAL FUND, UH, THE IMPACT TO THE GENERAL FUND.

YOU SEE 0.25 LISTED ON THERE.

UH, THAT'S COVERING OUR, UH, ACCOUNTANT IN, IN THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, OUR SENIOR ACCOUNTANT, WHICH ACTUALLY HELPS, UM, TO, UH, COVER, TO ASSIST THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND THE BUDGET PROCESS, AND ALSO ASSIST THE PLANNING, BUILDING AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DEPARTMENT WITH THEIR BUDGET PROCESS AND THEIR INVOICES.

SO THE, I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE THAT WE, UH, ARE LOOKING TO HIRE A PROPERTY AGENT AGAIN, WHICH HAS REMAINED VACANT, UH, IN FISCAL YEAR 2026.

SO THE CURRENT, UH, FISCAL YEAR THAT WE'RE IN, WHICH HAS BEEN A COST SAVINGS TO BOTH THE GENERAL FUND AND THE HOUSING AUTHORITY FUND.

UM, WE HAVE GONE WITHOUT THIS POSITION FOREGOING, UH, REVENUE AND SOME OF, UM, THE PROJECTS THAT, UH, WE, UM, COULD HAVE WORKED ON.

UM, BUT IN THAT WE DO SEEK TO HIRE IN FISCAL YEAR 2027, SO THAT, UH, THE FTE UP THERE SHOULD REFLECT 0.75.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE ON.

AND WE DID COVER THIS SLIDE.

UH, SO REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES, THIS IS A FUN SLIDE HERE.

UM, SO, UH, WE HAVE LISTED, UM, PARKING METERS, UH, I'LL SAY SMART TECHNOLOGY, WHICH HA STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON A WHILE.

UH, WE HAVE THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN.

WE'VE GONE OUT FOR SANDAG GRANTS BEFORE AND HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

WE'RE WORKING ON THAT WITH, UH, ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

SO THAT WILL BE A CITYWIDE EFFORT.

THEN WE'LL CONTINUE AGGRESSIVELY PURSUING FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL GRANTS.

UH, SO CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL, UM, GO, UH, LIKE SEEK TO, UH, PENALIZE HABITUAL VIOLATORS AND SOME OTHER GRANTS THAT AREN'T LISTED ON THERE IS THAT WE ARE SEEKING EPA GRANTS TO COVER ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENTS AND REMEDIATION EFFORTS OF OUR CITY PROPERTIES.

AND WE ARE ALSO, UH, GOING TO BE BRINGING FORTH AN ITEM BEFORE COUNCIL FOR THE, UH, COMMUNITY HOUSING WORKS, PARADISE CREEK AND BROADER COMMUNITY MULTI-YEAR GRANTS.

UH, SO THAT'S GOING TO COVER CIP PROJECTS.

AND, UH, SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY COMMUNITY SERVICE PROGRAMS. EARLIER, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT MENTIONED, UH, THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS, WHICH WE ARE WORKING ON TOGETHER AS A, UM, AS A TEAM WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS FINANCE TO COME UP WITH A MULTI-YEAR PLAN THAT CAN OFFSET THE GENERAL FUND IN MULTIPLE WAYS, UM, SO THAT WE CAN RELIEVE A LOT OF THE COSTS THAT WE ARE EXPENDING WITH CLEANUP EFFORTS AND OUTREACH EFFORTS.

BUT THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE WAYS THAT WE ARE SEEKING, UH, THESE REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, THAT WE CAN OFFSET THE GENERAL FUND AND, UM, AND HELP A STAFF OUT.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT OVER TO COMMUNITY SERVICES.

THANKS, ANGELITA.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL.

I'M MIKE PACHECO, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR.

FIRST WANNA GO OVER OUR RECREATION AND SENIORS SERVICES, UH, DIVISION HERE.

UM, THEY HAVE AN FTE OF EIGHT COUNT THERE.

UM, TOTAL BUDGET OF 3.3 MILLION 519,000 TOTAL REVENUE.

AND THEN THE NUTRITION SERVICES PROGRAM IS A FTE COUNT OF EIGHT.

UM, TOTAL REVENUE 1.6, AND THAT'S THE EXPENDITURE COUNT AS WELL.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME, UM, REDUCTIONS HERE.

WE'RE GONNA FREEZE THE TWO, UM, REC CENTER SUPERVISOR POSITIONS, SCALE BACK, UH, KIMBALL HOLIDAY EVENT, UM, TRANSITION OUR, OUR DIGITAL, UM, FORMAT FROM OUR PRINT FORMAT.

UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, SOME PROGRAM MEAL DELIVERY, UM, REDUCTIONS THERE, THERE.

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AND ALSO IN SOME REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES.

WE HAVE THE NEW AMENDED GOLF COURSE AGREEMENT THAT JUST, UH, GOT, UM, INITIATED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, AND THAT'S BRINGING IN ABOUT 43,000 ADDITIONAL IN REVENUE MINIMUM.

UM, AND THEN WE'RE WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT RIGHT NOW TO ANALYZE OUR FEES FOR THE DEPARTMENT.

SO GOLF, AQUATICS, RECREATION FEES, UH, JUST WANT TO BENCHMARK WITH NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES WHAT THE BEST PRACTICE, UH, IS FOR LOOKING AT FEES.

UM, WE ALSO WANNA LOOK AT THIS BRAND NEW, BEAUTIFUL LAS PALMAS POOL AS JUST A REGIONAL ATTRACTION FOR A COMPETITIVE SWIM MEETS.

WE REALLY THINK WE COULD REALLY MARKET THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

AND WHEN I MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, LOOKING AT THE NUTRITION CENTER, UM, JUST KIND OF RIGHT SIZING IT FOR OUR RESIDENTS, UM, AT ONE POINT WE WERE FEEDING 400 PEOPLE AND IT JUST WASN'T SUSTAINABLE.

SO THIS IS GETTING TO A POINT WHERE 200, UH, WOULD STILL BE ENOUGH FOR THE RESIDENTS.

WE HAVE AN AVERAGE OF 150 A DAY.

UM, AND WE ALSO LOOK AT EXPLORING SOME ADDITIONAL GRANTS.

UM, THE CUSTOMER RODRIGUEZ BROUGHT THAT UP AT THE LAST WORKSHOP.

AND ALSO, UM, LOOKING AT EVALUATING JUST OUR, ANY OF OUR CITY SPONSORED EVENTS, TRYING TO, UM, SAVE OPPORTUNITIES WITH SOME, SOME SPONSORS OUT THERE.

AND THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LIBRARY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL.

I'M DANIELLE GUILLO, DIRECTOR OF LIBRARY SERVICES.

SO THIS IS THE, UH, LIBRARY FUND.

WE HAVE TWO FUNDS.

WE HAVE THE GENERAL FUND, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE LIBRARY SPECIFIC FUND.

UM, WE DON'T GENERATE TRADITIONAL REVENUE, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, MOST OF OUR, UH, FUND IS OFFSET BY THE GENERAL FUND.

SO OUR PROPOSED REDUCTION IS THE CONTINUED FREEZING OF THE PRINCIPAL LIBRARIAN POSITION, WHICH WILL SAVE ABOUT $138,000 FROM THE LIBRARY FUND, WHICH DIRECTLY IMPACTS THE GENERAL FUNDS.

SO YOU'LL SEE THE SAVINGS IN THERE.

UM, SO TRADITIONALLY, LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T GENERATE REVENUE, BUT WE GET FUNDS OTHER WAYS.

SO THE MAJORITY OF OUR FUNDS COME FROM GRANTS.

WE TRADITIONALLY HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED TO $120,000 ANNUALLY IN GRANTS.

UM, WE ALSO RECEIVE SUPPORT FROM OUR FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY, UH, WHICH IS BETWEEN 30 AND $50,000 TO SUPPORT A LOT OF OUR, UM, SERVICES, UH, PROGRAMS, UM, UH, SUPPLIES, MATERIALS, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, AND WE, UH, WE COLLABORATE WITH A LOT OF THEM TO PROVIDE FREE SERVICES TO US THAT PROVIDES FREE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY.

UM, SO FOR THE LIBRARY, OUR IN TOTAL IMPACT TO THE GENERAL FUND OFFSET WOULD BE $138,000.

HELLO EVERYONE.

UH, COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYOR PA, UH, STAFF, PEDRO GARCIA, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR THE CITY.

TODAY, I WANTED TO GO OVER A FEW ECONOMIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES AND LAND ACTIVATION OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE CITY'S CURRENTLY DOING OR CONSIDERING DOING.

UM, WE'RE ALSO GONNA GET INTO SOME OTHER REVENUE INITIATIVES THAT THE CITY'S IDENTIFIED, UH, FOR EXPLORATION.

SO THE GOAL RIGHT NOW IS POSITIONING THE CITY FOR LONG-TERM REVENUE GROWTH.

UH, ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS ARE CURRENTLY THE CARMAX DEVELOPMENT, UH, SOUTHWESTERN COLLEGE EXPANSION PROJECT, THE BAY MARINA PARCEL STRATEGY, WHICH THAT'S A TWO PART STRATEGY ON THAT ONE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LONG TERM REDEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY PART OF THE RFP, PART OF THAT, UH, THOSE TWO PARCELS.

BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT INTERIM ACTIVATION USES CURRENTLY.

SO WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH A STUDY RIGHT NOW TO LOOK AT THE HIGHEST AND BEST WAYS WE CAN ACTIVATE THAT SPACE IN THE INTERIM WHILE WE, UH, FULLY ACQUIRE THE SITES.

AND WHILE WE ALSO, YOU WANT ONE ICE CREAM? OH, NO, I'M SORRY.

PERFECT ICEBREAKER.

EIGHTH STREET, AND LOOKING AT THE RAMADA HOTEL FOR REINVESTMENT, AND ALSO SANDAG GRANTS THAT WAS EARLIER MENTIONED BY OUR HOUSING MANAGER.

UM, AND, UH, SO AGAIN, INTERIM ACTIVATION.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT DOING A LAND SWAP, UH, POTENTIALLY WITH THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA FOR THE DRIVE-IN SITE, UH, TO SPUR SOME TYPE OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THERE.

UH, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN IMPLEMENTATION, A POTENTIAL BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, UH, ACTIVATING THAT CORRIDOR, WHICH IS

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CURRENT REVENUE INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY, UH, EITHER ALREADY EFFECTIVE OR CAN BE DONE IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS.

GROSS RECEIPTS TAX, WHICH WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK TO COUNCIL, UH, IN JUNE BOARDED IN VACANT, UH, PROPERTY ORDINANCE, SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE, WHICH IS, UH, CURRENTLY ALMOST, UH, UH, ALREADY STARTED WITH, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

UH, UPDATING OUR USER SERVICE FEES, WHICH ACTUALLY ALREADY WENT INTO EFFECT APRIL 20TH, UPDATING OUR DIFF FEES, WHICH ALSO WENT INTO EFFECT AUGUST 6TH, UH, INSTALLATION OF OUR PARKING METERS IN OUR DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.

CODE ENFORCEMENT PENALTIES FOR HABITUAL VIOLATORS AND EXPANSION TO OUR DIGITAL BILLBOARDS BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.

AND AS OUR CHIEF OF FIRE MENTIONED EARLIER, OUR PORT MUNICIPAL SERVICES AGREEMENT NEAR TERM REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES.

SO WE WANTED TO CLASSIFY THOSE ROUGHLY ONE TO TWO YEARS.

UM, AND I'LL JUST PREFACE SAYING THAT, UH, WHILE SALES TAX MEASURE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE VOTED ON IN 2028, WE WOULDN'T WANT IT TO DO A ANOTHER RUSH JOB, AND WE'D WANNA PLAN THAT IF THAT WERE TO, UM, COUNCIL'S DIRECTION THAT WE'D WANT TO GO IN.

SO THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO PUT IT IN A NEAR TERM SO THAT WE START THINKING ABOUT IT NOW VERSUS LATER.

UH, BUT SOME POTENTIAL REVENUE INITIATIVES FOR NEAR TERM ARE HALF CENT SALES TAX INCREASE.

UM, THAT'S OF COURSE, IF NO ONE ELSE IN 2026 TAKES THAT HALF CENT DELTA THAT HAVE SENT DELTA THAT'S LEFT REGIONALLY.

UM, BUT THERE IS STILL HALF SENT AVAILABLE, THE STORMWATER UTILITY USER FEE, WHICH, UH, MARTHA MENTIONED EARLIER.

AND THEN ALSO AN EXPANSION TO OUR CANNABIS PROGRAM.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO ACTIVE OR TWO AVAILABLE LICENSES.

SO IF COUNSEL WERE TO WANT TO FILL THOSE LICENSES, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND TO OPEN UP ANOTHER APPLICATION WINDOW SO THAT WE CAN, UH, IDENTIFY TWO BUSINESSES FOR THOSE TWO LICENSES.

AND THEN LONG-TERM REVENUE STRATEGIES.

SO THIS IS THINKING THREE PLUS YEARS.

UH, AGAIN, SALES TAX INITIATIVE, JUST IN CASE IT'S NOT IN 2028, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IN 2030.

UH, TRANS OCCUPANCY TAX, TOT ADJUSTMENT.

UH, CURRENTLY WE'RE AT 10% AND THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BRINGING IT UP TO REGIONAL STANDARDS, WHICH IS ROUGHLY BETWEEN 12 TO 15%.

AND THEN A UTILITY USERS TAGS, UM, THAT'S A UUT FOR SHORT.

AND, UH, BASICALLY TAXES PEOPLE'S, UH, UTILITY CONSUMPTION.

AND MOST NOTABLY, WE CAN SEE THAT IN THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA ALREADY.

THEY'VE HAD THAT FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW.

AND THIS SLIDE JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZES ALL THE REVENUE INITIATIVES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY, UH, DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

I WON'T GO OVER IT ALL OVER AGAIN.

WE JUST WENT THROUGH IT.

BUT, UM, JUST WANTED TO LEAVE THAT UP THERE FOR YOU GUYS FOR A LITTLE BIT.

AND THEN THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION TODAY, SO DISCUSSIONS AND QUESTIONS, I'LL HAND IT BACK OVER TO ACTING CITY MANAGER, STEVE.

UH, BIG THANKS TO STAFF FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, PREPARING THIS AND, AND FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS.

UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

THIS WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION.

UH, WE ARE GOING TO, BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP, UH, TO QUESTIONS, I DO JUST WANNA REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT, UH, WITH ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED, THE THE KEY FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION THAT WE'RE SEEKING TONIGHT IS ON OUR BUDGET REDUCTIONS.

UH, YOU KNOW, AS OUR BUDGET MANAGER PAUL PRESENTED, UH, WE'RE STILL, EVEN IF WE, UH, WERE TO DEPLETE OUR UNRESERVED FUND BALANCE, WE STILL NEED TO IDENTIFY ROUGHLY $3 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL BUDGET REDUCTIONS.

SO WE DO WANT YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT THIS EVENING, SO WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU IN ON JUNE 2ND WITH A PROPOSED BUDGET.

JUST JUST A CLARIFICATION QUESTION.

SO THE REDUCTIONS THAT THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE PUT IN THAT HAVE PUT FORWARD, THOSE ARE NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THAT 16, UH, MILLION DOLLARS DEFICIT, UH, THE RE THE REDUCTIONS, UH, THEY'RE NOT IN THE CURRENT BUDGET.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO, SO THOSE WOULD COME OFF OF 16.

THAT WOULD CORRECT.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE SO WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.

AND, UH, I DO PERSONALLY TAKE, UH, RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.

UM, MEMBER BUSH, YES, AND THANK YOU MAYOR FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

AND, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, STEVE, TO YOU AND ALL OF OUR STAFF, OUR, OUR DIRECTORS, EVERYONE WHO, UH, WHO WORKED ON THIS, UM, I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD A LEADERSHIP VACUUM IN OUR CITY MANAGER OFFICE, AND WE'VE HAD SOME TURNOVER OF POSITIONS.

SO THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY ON THIS DAIS.

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AND THAT IS, WITHOUT GOING INTO DETAIL, UH, THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE SOON AND HOPEFULLY, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, UM, FINGERS CROSSED.

UH, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH, UH, WHO WE HAVE, WHAT WE HAVE, WHICH I HAVE FULL FAITH AND CONFIDENCE IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.

AND I APPRECIATE, UM, YOUR HARD WORK, UM, ON, ON THIS.

AND I, I DO HAVE STILL SOME, SOME FEEDBACK OVERALL AND SOME CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK.

I THINK THAT MY BIGGEST CHALLENGE WITH, UH, THE PRESENTATION AND JUST WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, OVERALL, I'VE SEEN, UH, WHAT IS LACKING IS LACKING OF TRANSPARENCY AND A LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY.

SO SPECIFICALLY, UM, WITH, FOR THAT TRANSPARENCY PART OF IT, I HAVE ASKED FOR MORE DETAILS ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES, WHICH I'LL GO INTO MORE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IN A BIT.

BUT WE REALLY NEED MORE DETAIL ON SOME OF THESE THINGS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME OF THE MORE CLEAR DECISIONS AND SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND MORE.

UM, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THIS IS PUBLIC, THIS IS, UM, ALL OF THIS BUDGET, UM, AND ALL OUR POSITIONS.

WE WORK FOR THE PUBLIC, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE TRANSPARENCY.

AND IF WE ON THIS DAIS DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DETAILS, THEN WE CAN'T REALLY GIVE YOU CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK.

AND I HAVE ASKED FOR DETAILS.

I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO MY COLLEAGUES BOTH ON THE DAIS, UM, AND, AND OFFLINE, AND THEY'VE REQUESTED THINGS.

SO I AM ASKING, UH, FOR, FOR THAT.

AND, UM, AND LOOK, WE'VE ALL JUST LIKE, TO MY COLLEAGUES, I KNOW THAT WE'VE ALL HAD OUR DISAGREEMENTS AND UM, AND WE'VE HAD CONFLICTS, BUT I REALLY DO BELIEVE IN US.

AND, UH, I, AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA GET, GET THROUGH THIS AND, AND WORK, WORK TOGETHER ON THIS.

UM, BUT WE, WE, WE DO NEED, UH, MORE INFORMATION.

SO I'LL JUST GIVE AN EXAMPLE ON THE PRESENTATION FOR INFORMATION.

UH, BATTALION CHIEF DAY, HE SAID HE WANTED TO GIVE US MORE INFORMATION, THAT 20 PAGE REPORT, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO SEE THAT.

I WANT TO SEE THAT.

AND HE WAS TOLD TO KEEP IT TO TWO SLIDES.

AND I GET THAT IN TERMS OF THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, AND YOU NEED TO BE CONCISE.

BUT I DO WANT SOME FOLLOW UP, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THAT SO THAT I CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE WE CUTTING, UH, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE NOT, WHERE CAN WE MAKE CHANGES? WHERE, WHERE CAN'T WE? SO, UM, I I, I DO WANT US, AND I'M ASKING THROUGH THIS, UH, CITY MANAGER AND ALL THE DIRECTORS, I WANT ALL OF THE INFORMATION WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, AND I'M LOOKING TOWARDS CITY ATTORNEY, SOME OF THE PERSONNEL LEVEL, LEGAL DETAIL.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.

I'M ASKING FOR POSITION LEVEL DETAIL ON SOME OF THESE THINGS, OR EVEN OPERATIONAL LEVEL DETAIL SO THAT I CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT WE, WHERE WE CAN CUT AND WHERE, WHERE CAN WE REDUCE, RIGHT? UM, BUT THEN WHERE ARE WE HURTING OURSELVES IN REDUCTIONS? BECAUSE IF THERE'S THESE POSITIONS THAT WILL MAKE US MORE REVENUE AND MORE MONEY, THEN I DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA CUT THAT.

I DON'T WANNA SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT.

SO, UM, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, OVER, OVER TIME, FOR EXAMPLE.

I KNOW THAT'S, UH, A CHALLENGE AND, AND THAT'S, UH, TRICKY.

AND I, I'VE HEARD IT EVEN IN THIS PRESENTATION, PARTICULARLY FROM POLICE AND FIRE, THAT UNDERSTAFFING IS A CHALLENGE.

UM, PUBLIC WORKS HAS SOME OVERTIME TOO, BUT WHY, WHY ARE WE NOT HIRING? IS IT AN HR ISSUE? AND I SAID, WE HAVE NEW ACTING HR, SO THANK YOU FOR, UH, BEING HERE.

UM, AND I'VE HEARD ANECDOTALLY THAT IT'S HARD TO FIND QUALIFIED CANDIDATES, BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, RIGHT? I PERSONALLY KNOW OF PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO HAVE APPLIED FOR THESE POSITIONS, POSITIONS IN EITHER DIDN'T GET CALLED BACK OR WEREN'T SELECTED FOR X, Y, OR Z REASON.

AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING, LIKE LOOKING FOR JOBS.

AND SO THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE THAT I AM MISSING IN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT I WANT TO, UH, FIND OUT AND I WANNA WORK WITH YOU GUYS ON.

UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF ON THE STAFF LEVEL.

I ALSO, UH, WANT TO THANK AND APPRECIATE ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UH, FOR BEING HERE.

UM, THANK YOU FOR MR. UH, NIETO, THE ONLY PUBLIC SPEAKER FOR SPEAKING.

AND MR. NIETO, I THINK HE'S HERE, RIGHT? YEP.

BEHIND OMAR.

SO, UM, YEAH, MR. NIETO, I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR YOU.

YOU KNOW, I, YOU AND I HAVE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS OVER THE, OVER THE PHONE IN PERSON, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TEACHING AND EDUCATING ME, UM, SHARING YOUR EXPERTISE ON BUDGET, ON, UH, ACCOUNTING, INCLUDING

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JUST LAST NIGHT.

BUT I DO HAVE PUSHBACK AND CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK, UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT YOU SAID WAS CHARACTERIZATIONS AND CRITICISMS, UM, BUT IN, UH, INCLUDING, SO SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE HERE ON THE DI DI LIKE SCARCITY MINDSET INTERACTIONS, BUT I, I WANT TO HEAR SOME MORE FROM YOU, SIR.

WHAT ARE YOU FOR? I HEARD WHAT YOU'RE AGAINST, BUT IT WAS VERY HIGH LEVEL, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU'RE FOR SPECIFICALLY ON CUTS OR ON THE REVENUE.

ON THE REVENUE.

YOU JUST DISMISSED IT WITHOUT SAYING WHY, SO I'M JUST ASKING FOR YOU.

IT'S NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO ATTACK YOU, I'M JUST SAYING I'M ASKING FOR YOU AND JUST EVERYONE HERE ON THE DIOCESE, IF WE'RE A TEAM, IF WE'RE, UM, THERE'S A COMMUNITY TOO, THEN I, I, I NEED SOME MORE INFO, UH, FROM, FROM YOU AS WELL.

AND, UM, AND ON THAT SCARCITY MINDSET POINT, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT FROM ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES, WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, YES, WE DO HAVE A BUDGET DEFICIT.

IT'S VERY SERIOUS.

IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE AT THE CURRENT LEVELS, BUT WE DO HAVE THE RE WHAT I THINK THAT THAT SCARCITY MINDSET MEANT, UH, IS THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES, THE STAFF TALENT RIGHT HERE, THE LEADERSHIP, UM, WE HAVE THE, UM, THE, THE TIME, THE TALENT, UM, TO, TO FIX IT WITHOUT HURTING THE MOST VULNERABLE, UH, NOT JUST IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT IN OUR EMPLOYEES.

SO, SO WE HAVE SOME HARDWORKING EMPLOYEES, UM, HONESTLY, WHO I KNOW ARE STRUGGLING FINANCIALLY AND ARE PAID BELOW, FOR EXAMPLE, A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

WE HAVE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE WORKING OUT OF CLASS, DOING MANAGER LEVEL WORK, OR EVEN EXECUTIVE LEVEL WORK.

UM, AND THOSE ARE ROLES THAT WE STILL, AS PART OF THIS REDUCTION, I DON'T, I WANT TO FIX THAT.

SO I DON'T WANT THIS REDUCTION TO PERPETUATE, UM, SOME OF THESE ACTING, UH, P POSITIONS.

LIKE I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF TALENT.

WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO MOVE, MOVE FOLKS UP.

AND, UH, I, I THINK, UH, WE, I, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE DO THAT.

UM, I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, IN THIS DISCUSSION THAT, UH, WE'RE, UM, LOOKING AT THE EMPLOYEES, MAKING SURE THEY'RE, UH, TREATED FAIRLY, UH, BUT ALSO THE, THE, THE PUBLIC BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S, THIS ECONOMY IS CRAZY, UH, WITH INFLATION, WITH, UM, JUST OUR WHOLE CRAZY WORLD.

WE HAVE ALL THESE TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH.

UM, AND YET WE HAVE ALL THIS CRAZY INFLATION.

THE GAS IS INSANE.

UH, PEOPLE ARE REALLY HURTING.

SO I REALLY AM RELUCTANT, AND I WANNA BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT, UH, CUTTING SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS AND SERVICES THAT HELP PEOPLE THE MOST.

SO LIKE, I REALLY WANT TO FIND SOME, SOME OTHER WAYS TO DO THAT BECAUSE, UM, 'CAUSE, BECAUSE LIKE ESPECIALLY IN THIS YEAR COMING UP, WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO LIKE STILL HELP PEOPLE.

AND, AND I THINK WE COULD DO THAT.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF JUST MY OVERALL, UH, UM, JUST THOUGHTS.

I I, I DO HAVE A LOT OF, OF QUESTIONS AND I HAVE SOME PROPOSED, UH, MOTIONS AND DIRECTION, UH, FOR STAFF, BUT THROUGH, THROUGH THE CHAIR, THROUGH YOU, MAYOR, UM, I'LL SEAT MY TIME, UH, FOR NOW.

AND IF, IF, UH, MAYBE SOME OF US HAVE SOME OTHER OVERALL COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE QUESTIONS, AND THEN I HAVE SOME, UH, PROPOSED, UH, ACTION.

UH, THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR, UH, THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR MY BRIEFING.

UM, I, I REALLY, UH, APPRECIATE ALL OF THE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS.

UH, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UM, I DO HAVE, UM, TO BEGIN, MR. CITY MANAGER, UH, THE, THE REDUCTIONS THAT WE HAVE SEEN RIGHT NOW THAT THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND ALL OF THE SPEAKERS, ALL OF OUR, UM, EXECUTIVE STAFF, UH, DO ANY OF THE REDUCTIONS REDUCE, UM, EMPLOYMENT FOR ANY OF OUR CITY STAFF RIGHT NOW? NO, THEY DO NOT.

AND THE REDUCTIONS ADDRESS THE GAP BETWEEN, UM, THE DEFICIT THAT WE WOULD BE FACING AT THE END OF THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

AND, UH, WHAT WE HAVE IN RESERVES TO COVER WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING WILL BE, UM, THE RESERVES, WHAT WE HAVE IN RESERVES.

SO TO CLARIFY, YOU, YOU, YOU'RE CORRECT, VICE MAYOR, UM, GIVEN THE CURRENT PROJECTIONS FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR, UM, THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO DEPLETE THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE, AND WE, THE BUDGET REDUCTIONS WOULD THEN CLOSE THAT FINAL GAP OF ROUGHLY $3 MILLION.

THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT IS, WELL THEN ONCE OUR SAFETY NET IS GONE, MEANING OUR RESERVE, OUR, UM, UM, UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE IS GONE, WHAT HAPPENS FOR THE NEXT YEAR? WHAT IF WE HAVE ANOTHER DEFICIT, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? RIGHT? I THINK THEN IT DOES BECOME A MATTER OF, UM, CUTTING SERVICES AND CUTTING STAFF.

SO THAT, UM, IS HELPFUL.

YOU KNOW, IT, IT HELPS TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, GIVES US A LINE OF SIGHT AT LEAST TO JUNE, 2028, RIGHT? I, I THINK, RIGHT? UH, SO THE END OF NEXT FISCAL YEAR, UH, 27, JUNE 27, 27.

UM, SO THAT'S HELPFUL.

WHAT, WHAT

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THANKFULLY, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THAT IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO FOR THE COMING FISCAL YEAR.

AND I DO APPRECIATE ALL OF THE EFFORTS, UH, THAT EVERYBODY IS DOING TO PREVENT THAT FOR THIS YEAR.

SO I'M TRULY GLAD, UM, FOR THAT.

JUST AS OUR, UH, MEMBER BUSH MENTIONED, UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ECONOMIC SITUATION IS GOING TO BE.

UM, IT COULD BE BETTER, AND I'M HOPEFUL, , HOPEFULLY IT IS BETTER.

UM, IT COULD BE WORSE.

NOBODY KNOWS.

SO, SO I, I'LL PAUSE THERE AND I'LL JUST ASK MY, MY NEXT QUESTIONS.

AND THEY ARE, UM, TWO QUESTIONS FOR, UM, PD.

UM, CHIEF, IF, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO THE SLIDE DECK, BUT I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE 5% OVERTIME YOU MENTIONED OF ALL OF, IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, ALL OF THE BUDGET FOR PD OR IF IT'S JUST THE BUDGET FOR STAFF, FOR, UM, FOR SALARIES FOR PD IS 5% OF IT IS OVERTIME.

IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS CORRECT.

THE OVERALL BUDGET, IF YOU TAKE THE OVERALL BUDGET FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT AMOUNT ACCOUNTS FOR 5% OF OVERTIME OR ALL OF THAT BUDGET.

5% OF IT IS FOR OVERTIME.

FOR THE TOTAL BUDGET, OUR EXISTING OVERTIME, UH, THE, THE ONE THAT WAS ALLOCATED BY YOU GUYS ROUGHLY COMES OUT TO 3.8%.

UM, AND WE'RE AT 5% RIGHT NOW.

SO WE, WE ARE ABOVE THAT NUMBER.

SO EIGHT WITH JUST HARD NUMBERS, WE'RE AT 1.7.

YOU GUYS ALLOCATED US AT 1.3, SO WE ARE ABOVE 1.7 MILLION, CORRECT? MM-HMM .

UM, MY QUESTION WAS IS, IS THAT LIKE RECENTLY, IS THAT STANDARD, HAVE WE OVERSHOT IT JUST THIS YEAR? DID WE OVERSHOOT IT IN THE PAST TWO, THREE YEARS? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RON AND I WERE LOOKING AT IS ACROSS OUR COUNTY.

SO ACROSS THE COUNTY, I JUST RECEIVED A TEXT FROM THE CHULA VISTA ACTING CHIEF.

THEY'RE AT 9% OF THEIR TOTAL BUDGET ACCOUNTS FOR THEIR OVERTIME.

SAN DIEGO IS A LITTLE HIGHER.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS, UH, HEIDI AND I WERE TALKING A LITTLE BIT AGO, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S CRITICAL INCIDENTS THAT HAPPENED TODAY.

THERE WAS A MAJOR CRITICAL INCIDENT, AN ACTIVE SHOOTER, AND THAT ACCOUNTS FOR, YOU KNOW, OFFICERS HAVING TO STAY OVER.

SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE COMPLETELY OUT OF OUR CONTROL, RIGHT? UH, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FISCAL YEARS GOING BACK TO 24 THROUGH NOW, UH, IN 2024, WE WERE AT 1.4.

AND WHEN I SAY 1.4, I'M TALKING MILLION 1.4, UH, ON, IN 25, WE'RE AT 1.9, AND CURRENTLY WE'RE SITTING AT 1.7.

SO THAT'S KIND OF BEEN, SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NUMBER, I, I GUESS WE AVERAGE ABOUT 1.8 MIL PER YEAR, UM, OVERALL, AND, UM, SO I'M SORRY.

SO IT, WE'VE OVERSHOT IT EVERY YEAR FOR THE PAST 3, 4, 5 YEARS.

IT'S HAPPENING EVERYWHERE.

SO I THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO STOP OVERSHOOTING IT, MAYBE ADJUST THE BUDGET ACCORDINGLY, RIGHT? UM, MAYBE WE, WE KEEP THINKING, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF OVERTIME AND NOT, YOU KNOW, REDUCE IT, BUT IT APPARENTLY, RIGHT, THE PATTERN IS THERE.

AND, AND I THINK WHAT YOU'VE SAID IS, UM, IT'S, THIS IS NOT A UNIQUE SITUATION TO NATIONAL CITY.

UM, SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE SMART AND MAYBE FOR THIS COMING BUDGET, UM, ADJUST THAT OVER TIME, NOT, NOT KEEP IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, I DUNNO, IT'S JUST MY, MY IDEA IS MAYBE WE SHOULD KEEP, WE SHOULD KEEP THAT NUMBER REALISTIC, RIGHT? I AGREE.

UNDERCUTTING IT, BECAUSE THE PATTERN IS, IT, IT MAINTAINS AT THAT LEVEL.

SO, UM, WE HAVE THE DATA, SO LET'S, LET'S USE THAT DATA.

UM, MY OTHER QUESTION, UM, ABOUT OVERTIME, AND I'M, I'M, I'M USED TO HEARING FROM FIRE, UM, FIRES OVERTIME TENDS TO HAVE A, A, UM, REIMBURSEMENT RATE THAT IS, UM, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, I THINK IT'S QUITE A BIT HIGHER THAN THE REIMBURSEMENT RATE FOR PD.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND I DON'T MEAN TO COMPARE YOU BOTH.

, I, I CAN SPEAK TO OUR REIMBURSABLE OVERTIME, AND THAT IS A RESULT OF US, UH, RESPONDING TO STATEWIDE INCIDENTS UNDER THE CALIFORNIA FIRE ASSISTANCE AGREEMENT.

SO ALL OF THOSE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH PERSONNEL RESPONDING, WHETHER THEY'RE AT THE INCIDENT OR HERE STAFFING

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OUR ENGINES TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS, THAT IS REIMBURSED AT A HUNDRED PERCENT THOSE COSTS.

AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WE RECEIVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE, UH, FOR MANAGING THAT PROGRAM OF CURRENTLY 24.6, BUT THAT OVERTIME IS CARRIED IN A SEPARATE, SEPARATE BUCKET.

AND THEN WE, WE ESTIMATE ABOUT 750,000 A YEAR ON THAT REIMBURSABLE OVERTIME, OUR OVERTIME IS, UH, BUDGETED AT 1.8 MILLION.

AND TO A SUGGESTION THAT YOU JUST MADE, WE DID THAT WITH, WITH, UH, WITH, UM, OUR PREVIOUS, OUR PREVIOUS, UH, FINANCE, FINANCE DIRECTOR, WHERE WE WERE UTILIZING A NUMBER FROM THE MID NINETIES FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND IT WAS UNREALISTIC.

SO WE ADJUSTED THAT TO REFLECT OUR CURRENT TRENDS AND WHERE WE'RE AT IN REGARDS TO OVERTIME.

UH, WE CAN GET INTO REALLY GOOD DETAIL IF, AT AT ANY POINT THAT YOU'D LIKE.

IF WE, IF, IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN HAVE A, YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE 20 PAGE REPORT FROM JEREMY.

YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY, I MEAN, OUT OF THOSE 20 PAGES, YOU'D PROBABLY ONLY WANNA SEE SEVEN OR EIGHT OF THEM , BECAUSE WE LIKE TO PAY, WE HAVE, I THINK, 13 OVERTIME CATEGORIES THAT WE TRACK.

AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE FLUCTUATE YEAR TO YEAR AND HOW WE ADJUST OUR STAFFING PATTERNS.

I CANNOT SPEAK TO ALEX'S, UH, REIMBURSABLE OVERTIME, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE HISTORY ON OURS.

AND I THINK I GET IT.

I, I THINK FOR FIRE, IT'S A VERY, VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION WHERE FIRES OVERTIME REALLY IS FOR, UM, STATE, YOU KNOW, UH, OUR, OUR FIRE OFFICERS, OUR FIRE, UM, FIGHTERS HELPING, YOU KNOW, STATEWIDE NEEDS, RIGHT? YEAH.

WHEREAS IN PD, IT IS OUR NEEDS WITHIN THE CITY THAT, THAT ARE, UH, REQUIRING OUR OFFICERS TO BE PRESENT.

AND, AND SO, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR NEED HERE IN THE CITY.

SO, A A, A COUPLE THINGS FOR REIMBURSEMENT, I, I TALKED ABOUT BRIEFLY ABOUT THE TWO SCHOOL CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT'S A FULL REIMBURSABLE, UH, THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE SWEETWATER UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE LITERALLY PAYING FOR TWO POLICE OFFICERS TO BE AT THEIR SCHOOLS.

AND WE, UH, AND WE STAY TO THAT.

THE OTHER PART, AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, IS SOME OF THE GRANT REIMBURSEMENT, UM, THE OTS OFFICE OF TRAFFIC SAFETY, THEY PROVIDE US A LOT OF, UH, WHEN, WHEN WE GIVE OUT THE DUI CHECKPOINTS, WHEN, WHEN THEY DO THE STOP PROGRAM, THE SERIOUS TRAFFIC OFFENDER PROGRAM THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH THAT PROGRAM, AND WE GET MONEY BACK THROUGH THAT, UM, PROBABLY NOT TO THE FULL EXTENT THAT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT GETS, UM, BUT WE DO GET A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $230,000 YEARLY THAT WE'RE GETTING BACK.

AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS IF WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS, LIKE, UM, I TALKED ABOUT THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING TASK FORCE OR THE NARCOTIC TASK FORCE, IF THEY'RE OPENING UP A MAJOR INVESTIGATION, THEN WE'RE ALLOTTED TO GET REIMBURSEMENT FOR OUR OFFICERS THAT ARE ASSISTING IN THOSE, IN THOSE MAJOR PROJECTS.

NOW, LOCALLY, UM, OMAR JUST REMINDED ME LOCALLY, WE DO A LOT OF MUTUAL AID, AND THAT'S NOT REIMBURSABLE.

FOR INSTANCE, IF THEY WOULD'VE CALLED FOR OUR ASSISTANCE UP ON BALBOA PARK, WE WOULDN'T CHARGE THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO.

HEY, WE SENT YOU TWO COPS, BECAUSE THEY DO IT FOR US.

IF WE CALL FOR HELP, IF WE CALL FOR A HELICOPTER, IF WE CALL FOR ANY RESOURCE, IT'S JUST A MUTUAL AGREEMENT.

MUTUAL AID, THERE IS NO COST.

SO TO US, IT DOES BENEFIT US BECAUSE THE BIG PLAYERS IN THE COUNTY, THE SHERIFFS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE ALL THE TOYS, AND THEY BRING IT TO US WHEN WE NEED 'EM, AND SPECIALTY UNITS AS WELL.

SO IT'S, IT'S A GIVE AND TAKE FOR SURE.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THE REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU HAD SHARED.

UM, ALEX, I, UM, I WAS INTERESTED IN HEARING MORE ABOUT THAT, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T WANNA TAKE TOO MUCH TIME, BUT, UM, I, I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT SOME OF THAT.

IT'S REALLY THE FIRST TIME I HAD HEARD ABOUT REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES FROM PD, LIKE DIRECTLY FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT.

UM, THAT PIQUED MY INTEREST.

SO, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT WHEN WE HAVE A CHANCE.

PERFECT.

UM, MY, EXCUSE ME, IF, IF I MAY, I MISSPOKE.

I SAID 750,000 REIMBURSABLE OVERTIME.

IT'S, IT'S 500,000.

SO MY APOLOGIES FOR THAT.

I WILL CORRECT THAT ON MY NOTES.

AND MY LAST QUESTION HAS TO DO FOR, UH, PEDRO, THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING TODAY.

THE, UM, I WAS DELIGHTED WITH THE AMOUNT OF DETAIL IN YOUR SLIDES.

UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU SHARED WITH US.

THE ONE PART THAT I MISSED, UM, THERE WAS ONE BULLET POINT THAT ADDRESSED, UM, VACANT SEAS OR VACANT, UM, STOREFRONTS.

I FORGET EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

I DON'T HAVE THE SLIDE IN FRONT OF ME.

UM, BUT I WANTED TO KNOW, UM, THERE WASN'T A TOTAL, I DIDN'T SEE THAT THERE WAS A TOTAL IN

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THAT BULLET POINT.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WAY TO GET TO A TOTAL? WHAT WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE THAT WOULD BE? IS THERE LIKE A, I I THINK IN THE PAST THAT WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, I'VE ASKED ABOUT IT, IS THERE A WAY TO INCENTIVIZE PROPERTY OWNERS FROM KEEPING STOREFRONTS VACANT OR, OR PROPERTIES VACANT, YOU KNOW, OR EVEN STOREFRONTS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A FEE THAT WE CAN CHARGE THESE FOLKS SO THAT THESE PROPERTIES DON'T STAY VACANT? YOU KNOW, THAT THEY DO GET ENERGIZED OR, OR USED OR SOMETHING.

UM, AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT YOUR BULLET POINT HAD THAT INFORMATION.

I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR YOU'VE LOOKED INTO IT.

MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT DETAIL NOW, BUT AT SOME POINT, UM, I, I AM INTERESTED IN THIS INFORMATION.

I THINK PERHAPS, MAYBE NOT SO MUCH AS A REVENUE GENERATION, BUT AS AN INCENTIVE TO GET THESE VACANT PROPERTIES FROM STAYING VACANT.

AND I'M MOSTLY REFERRING TO VACANT PROPERTIES, FOR EXAMPLE, ON HIGHLAND AVENUE, THAT FOR YEARS HAVE BEEN VACANT.

NOW, I RECOGNIZE THE ECONOMIC SITUATION THAT WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW, PERHAPS IS THE FACTOR WHY THESE PROPERTIES HAVE REMAINED VACANT FOR SO LONG.

BUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO DRIVE PROPERTY OWNERS TO COME ON, YOU KNOW, SELL THAT PROPERTY, IF IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN INVESTING IN, IT'S, IT'S FOR THE SAKE OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY POINTS TO ADD NOW, BUT I, I WANNA CONTINUE WITH THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE CAN'T LET IT SIT VACANT FOREVER.

THEY'VE BEEN VACANT THIS LONG.

YEAH, NO, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER OR VICE MAYOR.

UM, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, WHICH IS, IT'S HARD TO REALLY QUANTIFY HOW MUCH THE REVENUE WOULD BE FROM IT.

AND IT REALLY ISN'T A REVENUE INITIATIVE.

IT'S MORE OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL.

AND, UM, ACTUALLY WHEN ALEX, CHIEF FERNANDEZ WAS ACTING CITY MANAGER, WE HAD STARTED THE CONVERSATION WITH LEGAL AND MARTIN READER, OUR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE IT, WE ALREADY HAVE, UH, A CODE KIND OF, THAT SPEAKS TO VACANT PROPERTIES.

UM, SO IT'S REALLY JUST AN AMENDMENT OF IT.

UM, BUT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS MORE OF, UM, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, YOU'RE, YOU'RE A DRIVER.

IT'S A DRIVER.

AND YOU'RE ALSO, IT'S, YEAH, EXACTLY.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE FORCING THE HAND OF THE CITY ONTO THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO REALLY DO SOMETHING.

AND SO YOU HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AT THE PENALTIES.

AND, AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE INCENTIVE COMES FROM, BECAUSE THE INCENTIVE IS ACTUALLY TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.

IF THEY HAVE A PORTFOLIO OF PROPERTIES AND THEY HAVE A VACANT ONE, THEY CAN WRITE OFF THE LOSSES ON THE YEAR.

AND SOMETIMES IT'S VALUABLE TO THEM FOR THAT LOSS, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEIR, YOU KNOW, TAXES LOOK LIKE.

AND SO FOR THE CITY, WE'RE TRYING TO COMBAT BLIGHT, BUT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENTS.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE REVENUE COMES FROM.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY DIRECT REVENUE, BUT IT'S ANECDOTAL IN THE SENSE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SPUR DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY, RIGHT? SO, UM, BUT IF THAT STOREFRONT THEN BECOMES A STORE, THEN THAT REVENUE COMES IN, RIGHT? OF COURSE.

SO THAT, AND THEN THAT'S WHY IT'S HARD TO QUANTIFY, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, I GET IT, GET PEOPLE'S, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS INFORMATION.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, STAFF HAS BEEN LOOKING INTO IT.

WE DO HAVE A LOT OF EXAMPLES FROM DIFFERENT CITIES IN THE STATE THAT HAVE DONE THIS.

AND, UM, IT IS A, A STRONG TOOL, UM, AND WE JUST NEED TO, YOU KNOW, DO IT.

I'M SORRY TO JUMP IN, I'M HARPING ON THAT, BUT REAL QUICK, TO BE FAIR, BUT WE CAN PROJECT, UM, ISN'T THERE, UM, LIKE WE, WE'VE GONE TO BEFORE ON PROJECTS ON, ON RETAIL, ON WHAT AN ESTIMATED, UM, WHAT TYPES OF BUSINESSES OR WHAT RETAIL WE EXPECT.

WE CAN STILL MAKE PROJECTIONS THOUGH, RIGHT? UH, WELL, BUT, BUT THE BOARDED AND VACANT, IT'S KIND OF NOT REALLY, BECAUSE THE GOAL IS REALLY DEPENDENT, WELL, NOT WITH, BUT ASSUMING THAT WE FILL THEM, THAT WE, WE CAN PUT A PROJECTION, THERE'S A CALCULATION WE CAN DO, LIKE A METHODOLOGY OR ASSUMPTIONS WE CAN MAKE, RIGHT? UH, I, I WOULD NOT, I WOULD NOT SAY ANYTHING THAT WE CAN REALLY, LIKE, REALLY 100% TRUST BECAUSE SURE.

YOU KNOW, YOU COULD JUST SAY A RETAIL BUSINESS IS GOING IN A, INTO THE, INTO THAT PROPERTY, RIGHT? BUT IT CAN BE A STARBUCKS OR IT CAN BE LIKE A, JUST LIKE A ANTIQUE SHOP.

THE TYPE OF BUSINESS, BUT AT LEAST HAVE A RANGE, AT LEAST.

OR A BIN STORE.

AND THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT MODELS, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REVENUES.

AND, UH, SO IT'S REALLY MISLEADING TO TRY TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA GET A DIRECT REVENUE FROM THAT INITIATIVE.

IT IS MORE, YET, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S MORE OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL TO SPUR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WILL THEN GET INDIRECT REVENUE TO THE CITY THROUGH DEVELOPMENT AND OF COURSE, THEIR SALES TAX.

AND THEN, UH, IF WE HAVE A GROSS RECEIPTS TAX, WE COULD POTENTIALLY PREDICT THAT, UH, GROSS RECEIPTS IS A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT, UH, EASIER TO PREDICT.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S VERY VAGUE.

I GOT WHAT I WOULD JUST ASK FOR IS AT LEAST A RANGE THEN, UH, IN HAVING ALL THE INPUTS, LIKE, OKAY, VACANCY OR

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SO THEN WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING.

'CAUSE OTHERWISE, THEN WHAT WE'RE DOING IS UNDER PROJECTING OUR, OUR, UH, POTENTIAL REVENUE.

LIKE, I DON'T WANNA OVER COUNT.

I STILL THINK IT'S GOOD WORK, CONSERVATIVE.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK THAT THERE, THERE SHOULD BE A RANGE OR SOMETHING THERE.

SO AT LEAST WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE, UH, LOOKING TOWARDS.

UM, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR, UH, FOR WORKING ON THIS.

UH, THANK YOU TO STAFF, THANK YOU COMMUNITY FOR REACHING OUT, UM, ABOUT THE BUDGET.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S A, A DEEP COST FOR CONCERN AND CONCERN ABOUT PROGRAMMING IN OUR CITY.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR REACHING OUT.

AND I DO THINK THAT, UM, WE GOTTA BE IN EVERYTHING TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY, AS A CITY, AS EMPLOYEES, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, ELECTED OFFICIALS.

AND, AND THAT MEANS BEING TOGETHER DURING GOOD TIMES AND SOMETIMES DIFFICULT TIMES.

AND I THINK, UH, I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF COLLECTIVE MINDSET.

UM, AND SO, AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I, I DO NOTICE A LOT OF THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT KIND OF GUIDE MY AT LEAST, UM, PERSPECTIVE AND CONVERSATIONS.

AND WHAT I DO NOTICE IS THAT PEOPLE ARE DEEPLY STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW.

AND, UM, FOOD INSECURITY IS REAL.

SO I WOULD, UH, CAUTION US TO DISCUSS THINGS LIKE CUTTING, UH, FROM NUTRITION CENTER BECAUSE IT IS A VERY, UH, IMPORTANT AND VITAL PROGRAM TO SENIORS THERE.

AND SO I, I DO ALWAYS HAVE THAT IN MIND.

I DO IT, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO ALWAYS STUDY OUR DEPARTMENTS, FIND WAYS TO BRING ADDITIONAL FUNDING, UH, FIND WAYS TO STREAMLINING EACH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE THEM BETTER AND MAKE, OPERATE BETTER.

BUT ALWAYS CAUTION, I THINK, UH, ESPECIALLY DURING THESE TIMES.

AND SO, UM, I DO HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION, AND THEN I HAVE A COUPLE OF, UM, MOTIONS THAT I WOULD LOVE TO DISCUSS.

UH, IF ALL THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED TODAY WERE TO BE ADOPTED, HOW MUCH WOULD THE BUDGET PROJECTION BE FOR FY 26 27? THE BUDGET, THE TOTAL BUDGET, OR THE DEFICIT? WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WELL, THE, THE, THE, THE PROJECTED BUDGET DEFICIT.

WELL, AGAIN, I THINK, UH, AS BUDGET MANAGER, UM, PAUL VALEZ MENTIONED, IF YOU, THE, THE BUDGET DEFICIT FOR FY 2017 IS JUST OVER 16 MILLION.

IF WE IMPLEMENTED, UM, THESE REDUCTION MEASURES AS PRESENTED BY STAFF, YOU'D STILL BE LOOKING AT A $13 MILLION BUDGET DEFICIT WITHOUT TAKING FURTHER ACTION.

UM, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE REPORT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES.

I HAVE A VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M IN ONE-ON-ONE, COME TO JESUS MEETING WITH YOU AND OUR, UM, ACTING DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, UM, THERE, UM, CHIEF ALO, I HAVE TO SAY CHIEF, CHIEF.

UM, ANYWAY, I HAVE, UM, SAID THIS FROM THE BEGINNING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I FOCUS ON EXPENDITURES FOR RIGHT NOW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN COME AND REVIEW IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS.

AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, EXPENDITURES THAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED, THAT YOU HAVE GENEROUSLY SAID, WE CAN CUT THIS.

I'M LOOKING AT THE PART ONE OF OUR, OF OUR, UH, BUDGET STUDY VERSUS THE PART TWO, UM, OF OUR BUDGET STUDY.

UM, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ALREADY POSED TO OUR CITY MANAGER, AND I DON'T WANNA REPEAT.

'CAUSE, UM, UH, I, I, THOSE ANSWERS WILL COME TO ALL OF US BECAUSE WHEN I ASK FOR ONE, ALL OF US GETS THE ANSWERS.

UM, BUT I AM JUST CONFIDENT THAT, UM, ALL OF US HERE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER, JUST LIKE WHAT CITY MANAGER SAID, WE ARE ONE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

UM, AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST LIKE I SAID, IT, IT IS A, UH, IT IS THE EXPENDITURES THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS.

UH, LOOKING AT THE, UH, LOOKING AT THE, UH, BUDGET, THERE ARE ABOUT 4 MILLION OF, UM, OF, UM, POSITIONS THAT ARE NOT FILLED.

THAT'S ABOUT 4 MILLION PLUS THE REDUCTIONS THAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED, THAT'S ABOUT 3.8.

I'M LOOKING AT ABOUT 7.8 MILLION OF A REDUCTION FROM WHAT YOU KNOW, WAS PRESENTED TO US.

UM, HOWEVER, I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE REVENUE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN RESOURCES FROM THE REVENUE BECAUSE

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YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IN OUR CITY THAT, UM, CITY MANAGER, UM, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I HAVE APPOINTED THAT OUT TO OUR CITY MANAGER AND TO OUR ACTING CITY MANAGER THAT, UH, UM, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER THAT, UM, THESE ARE THE RESOURCES THAT WERE OVERLOOKED.

AND SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT, UM, WE CAN GO AFTER OR WE CAN REVISIT, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS, BUT RIGHT NOW OUR FOCUS SHOULD BE HOW CAN WE BALANCE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BALANCE THIS, UH, BUDGET THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE EXPENDITURES.

AND, UM, I KNOW THERE ARE QUESTIONS, UM, AND INFORMATION THAT CITY MANAGER AND THE DIRECTORS WILL PROVIDE TO US.

UM, UM, AND, AND THAT'S VERY ENCOURAGING.

UM, AND, AND THANK YOU.

I KNOW IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO FIT A, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M IN A, A, A BIG, YOU, I'M IN ROOM TO A SMALL ROOM, RIGHT? BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

ALL OF US ARE DOING THAT, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE, UM, UM, PORTIONS OR PART OF THIS REVENUE THAT, UM, ALL OF US, OUR EYES ARE ON IT.

AND SO AS THE CITY MANAGER AND, AND, UM, AND SO WE ARE TARGETING THOSE, AND WE'RE GONNA COME BACK, YOU KNOW, I, WITH A, WITH ALL THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS, UM, AND THOSE ARE ALL RELEVANT QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, RIGHT NOW WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK ON MOVING FORWARD.

UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE HOPE THAT IN THE NEXT Y IN 60 DAYS, WE CAN COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, YOU, I MEAN THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT.

WE'RE, WE ARE, WE ARE GONNA TRY TO, TO, UM, YOU, I MEAN, REVISIT IT, RELOOK IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND, AND, AND SEE HOW ELSE CAN WE ENHANCE THIS, UM, IN EACH DEPARTMENT.

AND THEN, THEN WE LOOK AT OUR REVENUE GENERATING, UM, YOU KNOW, MEAN, UH, ASSETS OF OUR CITY, AND HOW CAN WE, YOU KNOW, MEAN, LEVERAGE THOSE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN TO, TO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FILL IN THE GAP.

THERE ARE, UM, AGGRESSIVE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH.

UM, IS IT GOOD FOR OUR CITY? IS IT NOT GOOD FOR OUR CITY? THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO REFLECT IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HELP, UM, IN THE EXPENDITURES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR OUR CITY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE STILL ON A STANDSTILL.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BUSINESS LICENSING, MSA, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS OUR, OUR ASSETS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, MEAN THAT ARE, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING.

AND, AND I HAVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UM, HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, WITH BOTH OUR LEADERSHIP HERE TO, TO RE REVISIT THOSE.

UM, RIGHT NOW I'M FOCUSED ON THE EXPENSES.

I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HOW YOU GUYS TIGHTENED IT.

UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE, WE REVISIT THAT AGAIN IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, AND THEN WE'LL SEE THE, THE, THE, UH, CORRECT NUMBERS THAT ARE COMING.

UM, RACHEL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I KNOW DIRECTOR THAT YOU, YOU AND PAUL ARE REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WATCHING AT THE EXPENDITURE PART OF IT, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LET, LET US SAY, YOU KNOW, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING ZERO BASED, UM, APPROACH.

I SAID, PLEASE DO NOT BE CONDESCENDING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING THEIR BEST TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS.

THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

WE ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT QUESTIONS TO ASK.

SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LET US NOT, UM, BE CONDESCENDING THAT WAY BECAUSE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE PLEDGE IS WHAT WE SAY WE'RE DOING HERE.

SO MUCH MONEY INTO THE PENSION FUND WITH THE STATE EVERY YEAR.

UM, A NUMBER OF THINGS.

ONE THING IS THAT WE'RE WORKING UNDER A TIMELINE, AND IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER THAT BY STATE LAW, WE HAVE TO PRO PROVIDE A BALANCED BUDGET BY JUNE 30TH.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO LIVE BY THAT BUDGET FOR THE, FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR.

IT JUST MEANS WE HAVE TO SHOW THEM THAT WE CAN LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS.

AND THAT IS BY STATE LAW.

AND, UH, STATE DOESN'T LIVE BY THAT, BUT THEY HAVE THE CITIES TO LIVE BY THAT.

UM, THE, UH, SO WHATEVER THAT WE COME UP WITH BETWEEN NOW AND HOPEFULLY FIRST MEETING IN JUNE, AND TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO THE STATE, THEN WE STILL CAN BE WORKING ON THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT AND SAY THAT NEXT YEAR.

NOW, WITH THE INCREASED, UM, IN PARTICULAR, SOME OF THE AREAS THAT HAD THE BIG INCREASES, ONE WAS IN, UH, PERSONNEL, THE OTHER ONE WAS IN, UH, IN OUR PENSION OBLIGATIONS.

WE HAVE TO PAY

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THIS YEAR IT WENT UP, I THINK IT WAS 1.9 MILLION INCREASE OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WE WERE ALREADY PAID.

AND NOW NEXT YEAR IS SCHEDULED TO GO UP AGAIN.

THAT STILL THAT 1.9 INCREASE, PLUS ANOTHER INCREASE, PLUS WE HAVE, UH, FOR NEXT YEAR WE HAVE MORE, UH, SALARY INCREASES THAT ARE BUILT, BUILT INTO CONTRACTS.

SO WHILE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, WE'RE LOOKING AT $16 MILLION DEFICIT THIS YEAR PROJECT.

YEAH, THAT'S THE PROJECTION, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT AS A PROJECTION.

YOU GOTTA PROJECT THAT TO NEXT YEAR BEING ANOTHER, ABOUT ANOTHER $20 MILLION.

SOME ARE AT LEAST 18 TO $20 MILLION BY THE TI TIME YOU ADD THESE OTHER OTHERS ON.

UM, SO THIS YEAR, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING TO BE ABLE, ABLE TO SHOW THE STATE THAT WE CAN DO IT, WE'RE TAKING OUR UNDESIGNATED RESERVES AND SAYING, WE'RE GONNA USE ALL OF THAT.

NOW, HOPEFULLY WE CAN WHITTLE THAT DOWN.

SO WE'RE NOT USING ALL THAT BECAUSE THAT IS THE EQUIVALENT OF YOUR CHECKING ACCOUNT.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SOME OTHER FUNDS OVER HERE THAT ARE RESERVES, THAT ARE REQUIRED RESERVES.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THOSE BY LAW.

THEN THERE'S SOME OTHERS THAT YOU GOT A LITTLE, SOME FLUCTUATION TO IT.

THAT'S YOUR KIDS' COLLEGE FUND IS THE BEST WAY I CAN DO THAT.

SO IF WE WERE TO ACCEPT WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY AND WAS ACTUALLY USED, ALL OF THAT, AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT.

WE WOULD NOT HAVE A CHECKING ACCOUNT LEFT AT THE END OF THE END OF THE YEAR, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO START DIGGING INTO OUR KIDS' COLLEGE FUND.

THAT'S, THAT CAN'T LAST VERY LONG.

SO, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE NOT IN A SUSTAINABLE DEAL.

WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE.

THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES THAT ARE IN THIS KIND OF, THIS KIND OF PREDICAMENT AND FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO.

BUT RIGHT NOW, OUR MAIN FUNCTION IS TO GET A BALANCED BUDGET, TO BE ABLE TO GET PAST JUNE THE 30TH.

THEN WE CAN START.

AND SO THEREFORE, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE US THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, GET INTO LITTLE MINUTIAE ON EVERY LITTLE THING, YOU KNOW? AND UNTIL WE REALLY HAVE A TIME TO LOOK THROUGH THOSE THINGS, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET ALL THE ANSWERS.

LET'S LOOK FOR THE BIG ANSWERS, THE BIG QUESTIONS, AND TO GET, GET TO THIS, GET TO THIS FIRST PART, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON, UH, A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP HERE, BOTH IN THE IDEA OF POSSIBILITY FOR, UH, UH, REALISTIC SAVINGS, AND THEN A LOT OF LOOKS FOR, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE CALL IT LAND ACTIVATION.

SOME OF IT MIGHT PLAY OUT, SOME OF IT MAY NOT.

YOU KNOW, I GOT SOUTHWESTERN COLLEGE EXPANSION.

IF IT TAKES THAT, THAT PROPERTY OFF THE TAX ROLL, ACTUALLY IT BECOMES A LOSS TO US.

SO IT WOULD ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE WHOLE SITUATION THERE.

UH, INTERIM ACTIVATION OF THE, UH, UM, OUR BAY MARINA SITES.

WE'VE HAD SOME MAJOR DEVELOPMENT PLANNED IN NATIONAL CITY, AND IT WAS GONNA TAKE A COUPLE YEARS.

SO WE ALLOWED IT TO HAVE IN INTERIM ACTIVATION KILLED THE PROJECT.

'CAUSE ONCE THOSE PEOPLE GOT IN THERE, THEY DIDN'T WANNA LET GO.

AND, UH, AND SO WE END UP KILLING PROJECTS.

UH, SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IN HOW WE DO ALL THESE THINGS.

SO IT, UH, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES AND, BUT WE, THEY ALL HAVE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT CONTINGENCIES AND THOSE ARE GONNA TAKE, GONNA TAKE TIME TO WORK OUR WAY THROUGH ALL OF THAT.

UM, I, UH, I, I THINK THE ONE CONCERN, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE, HERE HAVE IS WITH THE, UH, NUTRITION CENTER.

AND THAT IS JUST ONE AREA.

MOST CITIES DON'T HAVE NUTRITION CENTERS.

WE DO.

AND WE PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THAT CITY MONEY, GENERAL FUND MONEY THAT, THAT'S OVER AND ABOVE THE, THE GRANT MONEY THAT GET FROM THE FEDERAL AND, AND THE COUNTY, AND THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY PAY IN OVER AND ABOVE THAT.

WHAT'S THE NUMBER ON THAT? ON THE AMOUNT FOR THIS? ABOUT 600,000, I THINK IT IS.

SIX 50.

ABOUT $650,000 OVER AND ABOVE JUST TO KEEP, KEEP THE NUTRITION CENTER OPEN.

AND, UH, MOST OTHER CITIES DON'T.

THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY DO.

SO WHAT I'M HEARING SAID, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT RIGHT NOW WE BASICALLY ARE AVERAGING NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS ABOUT 150 A DAY.

IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? YES, MAYOR.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO THEY'RE SAYING, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT, YOU'RE PREPARING ON A REGULAR BASIS, 250 MEALS.

SO YOU'RE SAYING, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS PREPARING 200 AND PUT IT ON A RESERVATION AS I SAW A RESERVATION SYSTEM SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR 150 GET, KIND OF GET AT THE FRONT OF THE LINE AND WE TAKE CARE OF OUR LOCAL PEOPLE FIRST, AND THEN WITH WHATEVER ELSE IS LEFT OVER.

IT CAN BE FOR PEOPLE THAT, THAT AREN'T NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS.

IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? YES, SIR.

THAT IS CORRECT.

AND THERE ARE OTHER, UM, COUNTY FUNDED, UM, NUTRITION CENTERS THAT ARE,

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YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY CLOSE BY IN THE REGION.

WE'RE JUST PROBABLY THE BEST, HONESTLY.

'CAUSE IT'S ALL COOKED IN-HOUSE, ALL THESE OTHER PLACES OH, ARE ALL MEALS OFFSITE AND IT'S, YEAH, REALLY, UH, WE'RE A VICTIM OF OUR OWN SUCCESS HERE.

UH, YEAH.

EVERYONE I TALK TO FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY WHO EATS OVER THERE, THEY ALL TELL ME THE SAME THING WE'VE ATE AT OTHER PLACES NOW.

THIS IS THE BEST.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO WE BECOME VICTIM OF OUR OWN SUCCESS.

SO THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS TO HURT PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEEDS HERE IN NATIONAL CITY.

OUR, OUR, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, WE, THAT'S THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO.

AND, UH, UH, AT THE SAME TIME, WE, WE'VE GOTTA MAKE SOME REALLY TOUGH DECISIONS BECAUSE THIS SYSTEM ISN'T GONNA GO AWAY.

IF WE DO, IF WE TAKE IT DOWN TO 13 MILLION, THAT JUST, ALL THAT DOES IS WIPE OUT THE UNALLOCATED RESERVES, UH, AND THEN NEXT YEAR IT'S GONNA BE WORSE.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO KNOCK OUT WHOLE PROGRAMS. SO WE GOTTA, WE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, SO I APPRECIATE WHAT STAFF HAS BROUGHT BEFORE US.

UH, DO WE HAVE MORE AREAS AND CAN WE REALLY HONE IN ON THINGS A LOT MORE? YES.

UH, CAN WE IN A VERY, YOU KNOW, A WEEK OR TWO DO ALL OF THAT AND GET ALL THAT TOGETHER? I NOT, NOT INTO THE FINE POINT.

WE PROBABLY WOULD ALL LIKE TO, BUT AT LEAST THEN WE MEET OUR, OUR LEGAL REQUIREMENT, AND THEN THAT'LL GIVE US TIME TO ACTUALLY START THAT HONING IN.

AND, UH, UM, BUT AS I SAY, ANY, ANY, UH, BUDGET THAT WE ACCEPT AND SEND TO THE STATE WE DON'T HAVE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO LIVE BY THAT BUDGET FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR.

IT IS AS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER OR, UH, IMANI SAID IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT AND WE CAN READ, REDRESS IT ON A ATE, WE DON'T HAVE TO MEET TO WAIT TILL MIDYEAR OR ANYTHING ELSE ALONG THAT LINE.

I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERY, I THINK EVERYONE'S GONNA TAKE A, A LITTLE BIT OF A RELIEF AND TRY TO START GETTING STUFF TOGETHER IN JULY AND MAYBE SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON THIS STUFF AND LESS ON ON MEETINGS.

AND WE CAN, WE CAN HIT THE, UH, UH, THE ROAD RUNNING IN, IN AUGUST AND, UH, UH, REALLY START WORKING IN ON THIS STUFF.

SO WITH THAT, OKAY.

I THINK YOU WERE NEXT.

CAN STAFF GO TO THE FIRST, UH, SLIDE? I THINK IT'S THE FIRST SLIDE.

MAYBE IT THE THIRD SLIDE.

MAYBE IT'S THE THIRD.

UH, I CAN GO BACK THE SLIDE AFTER PAGE THREE PAGE.

I THINK, OR MAYBE IT'S FIVE.

PAGE FIVE PROBABLY.

MODIFIED ZERO BASED.

IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? OR WHICH ONE? UH, ACTUALLY YES, YES, THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT IN THERE.

SO THAT WOULD BE PAGE FIVE.

YOU LOST MY PEN SLIDE.

UH, IT'S COUPLE ONES BEFORE THAT, PLEASE.

YEAH, THE ONE THAT SAYS MODIFIED ZERO BASED BUDGETING AND IT HAS A DISCRETIONARY POINTS.

YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE A SLIDE THREE.

I'M JUST GONNA SUGGEST IF WE CAN GIVE THE CLICKER TO PAUL SO YOU CAN AH, YES, RUN THIS GOOD IDEA TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER.

SO, UH, ON THIS, UM, I KNOW I'VE, UH, REQUESTED, UM, THE DETAIL, UH, FOR THIS, UM, ON EXCEL, LIKE, SO I'VE REQUESTED THE ACTUALS, UM, ON CONTRACTS AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES TO SEE WHICH, UM, WHICH, WHICH CONTRACTS, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE THIS, BUT I, I KIND OF WANT AN IDEA OF WHAT CONTRACTS, SO HAS THAT, UH, INFO BEEN PROVIDED TO US ALREADY? AND MAYBE I MISSED IT.

ARE YOU GUYS ABLE TO CLARIFY THAT? I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THAT REQUEST.

SO THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WAS PROVIDED WAS ACTUALS FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS WERE SUBMITTED TO ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS AS REQUESTED.

UM, IF YOU WANT TO DRILL DOWN TO FURTHER DETAILS, DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT ON, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY HAVE A CONTRACT SERVICES M AND O BUDGET, UH, WE WOULD NEED TO SET UP SPECIFIC MEETINGS WITH THOSE DEPARTMENTS.

IF, IF, IF WE COULD DO THAT THROUGH THIS, THROUGH YOUR OFFICE, IF WE CAN, UH, DO THAT.

'CAUSE AGAIN, IT'S, I, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, I DON'T WANT TO OVERLY CUT OR, OR OVERLY REDUCE EITHER, SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S THE LEVEL OF DETAIL WE WOULD NEED TO GET INTO.

UH, AS THE MAYOR SAID, WE HAVE A FEW WEEKS LEFT.

UH, IF, WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE, IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS OR CONTRACTS NOW THAT YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT, UH, ACTUALS THAT YOU, YOU ARE WANT TO FOCUS ON, I'M HAPPY TO, TO SET UP THOSE MEETINGS, UH, AS, AS TIME PERMITS.

OKAY, THAT'D BE GREAT.

BECAUSE I WANT TO FIND OUT THINGS LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, IF WE HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW WE HAVE, UM, ANNUITANTS, I KNOW WE HAVE, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE WORKING AS CONSULTANTS AND, BUT THAT ARE OUR STAFF.

SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THING I WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT WORKS AND WHAT, SO THINGS LIKE

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THAT.

SO I CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL WHEN WE, WHEN WE, UH, UM, WE HAVE THAT ONE-ON-ONE.

UM, AND IF WE CAN GET AN, LIKE AN ORG CHART FOR SOME, FOR SOME OF THESE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO, TO UNDERSTAND WHERE, LIKE, AS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AS PART OF THAT MEETING, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT, LIKE, WHICH DEPARTMENT IS GOING WHERE AND WHERE IT KIND OF FEEDS INTO ULTIMATELY.

UM, AND, UH, ON THIS, UH, I DON'T KNOW, UH, UM, MAYOR, IF, UH, HOW, UM, HOW YOU KIND OF, IF I, I, I KIND OF HAD SOME MOTIONS ON SLIDE BY SLIDE, SO, BUT, UM, FOR, FOR NOW, AND SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR, WE GIVE STAFF CLEAR DIRECTION.

THERE WAS A COMMENT, UH, EARLIER FROM, UH, FROM ED THAT, UH, THAT, THAT LAST LAST ONE, I, I ACTUALLY THINK IT WAS OUR, UH, UH, A, A CHIEF THAT SAID TO IT, WE DIDN'T GIVE CLEAR DIRECTION AS CLEAR AS MUD.

SO I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THIS.

SO I DO WANNA MAKE MOTIONS FOR THESE.

SO WE'RE CLEAR.

I MAKE A MOTION, UH, ON THIS, ON THIS SLIDE, I MAKE A MOTION FOR STAFF TO PROVIDE COUNSEL DETAILED, UH, INFO ON CONTRACTS, UH, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, OTHER M AND O ACCOUNTS, PERSONNEL, UM, POSITION DETAIL, I'M NOT ASKING FOR NAMES, POSITION, DETAIL, THE ORG CHART OF FILLED POSITIONS INCLUDING TEMPS AND ANNUITANTS, UH, DETAILED COST FOR 12 MONTHS, THE U-L-A-U-A-A-L, THE PENSION OBLIGATION BOND, THE LIABILITY, THE WORKS COMP PREMIUMS. AND I ASK FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS IN INFO, AT LEAST TO SET IT UP BY THURSDAY, MAY 21ST BY 5:00 PM AND THAT'S MY MOTION.

I'LL SECOND THE MOTION WE ASK ATTORNEY OR CITY ATTORNEY.

UH, YEAH, YOU DON'T WANNA ANSWER THIS ONE.

UH, HOW REALISTIC IS THAT? WITH WHAT, WITH CURRENT WORKLOAD? UH, IT, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN SCHEDULE, LET'S JUST SAY 10 ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS TO GO OVER, UH, INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTS.

THAT'S WHY WHAT I'M ASKING IS, WE'VE PROVIDED YOU COMPREHENSIVELY ACTUALS FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.

YOU HAVE THE ADOPTED BUDGET FOR FY 26, UM, THAT HAS A, A SIGNIFICANT LEVEL OF DETAIL.

IT MEETS REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR BUDGET DOCUMENTS.

WHAT I WOULD ASK IS, IN YOUR REVIEW OF PREVIOUS INFORMATION SUBMITTED, IF THERE'S SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS OR LINE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN GETTING MORE DETAIL OR CLARIFICATION, I AM HAPPY TO WORK WITH, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS TO GET YOU THOSE ANSWERS.

I WILL GIVE AN EXAMPLE.

WE HAD A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTED SOME MORE INFORMATION ON, UH, REVENUES OR FEES COLLECTED FOR OUR TOW CONTRACTS.

IT WAS SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC.

WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, PUT THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER AND, AND GET THAT SENT OUT.

UM, THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY, UM, COMPREHENSIVE REQUEST THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.

I'LL AMEND IT SO THAT IT'S, UM, I MEAN BEFORE THEN THE NEXT MEETING, IS THAT MORE REASONABLE BECAUSE WE NEED IT BEFORE WE ADOPT THE BUDGET.

SO, AND I DO THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.

SO BEFORE THAT JUNE 30TH DEADLINE, LIKE I, I WANT TO SEE THAT, BUT I WANT TO AT LEAST PUT IN MOTION AT LEAST, SO IT'S ON THE RECORD THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS DETAIL.

SO IS THAT APPROPRIATE OR I'LL BE HONEST, I I I'M STILL STRUGGLING WITH CLARITY ON EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR AT THIS POINT.

WHEN YOU SAY A PERSONNEL DETAIL, THE INFORMATION PROVIDED IN OUR BUDGETS PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT'S, THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC IN THIS COUNCIL.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT LEVEL OF DEEPER DIVE YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR.

POSITION LEVEL DETAIL INCLUDE THE, INCLUDING THE POSITIONS THAT ARE FILLED AND UNFILLED.

SO WE PRESENTED AT THE, AT BUDGET WORKSHOP, NUMBER ONE, A LIST OF VACANCIES, YES, BUT NOT, IT WASN'T BROKEN DOWN FOR THE, UH, FOR THE, IT, IT WASN'T DEPARTMENT LEVEL AS I, THE, THE, WHAT I GOT WASN'T DEPARTMENT LEVEL.

WE, WE CAN RE WE CAN TAKE THAT SLIDE.

I'LL, I'LL REMOVE, I CAN REMOVE THE TIMEFRAME.

I JUST WANT TO PUT IT ON RECORD.

I JUST WANT THE, THE INFORMATION.

LET, LET US, LET US, LET US MEET TOMORROW TO SEE, UM, WHAT, WHAT ADDITIONAL LEVELS OF DETAIL WE CAN PROVIDE IN A TIMELY MANNER.

SO THE LEVELS OF DETAIL I'M ASKING FOR ARE IN THE FY IT'S BASICALLY THE TEMPLATE, WHAT WE HAVE IN THE FY 26 BUDGET.

SO, SO WHAT I'M SEEING IS, SO WE HAVE DECENT INFO ON OUR ADOPTED ON OUR, OUR BUDGETS AND OUR PROJECTIONS,

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UM, ON ACTUALS.

THERE'S STILL SOME, THERE'S POSITION LEVEL DETAIL THAT, UH, THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN ON THE, ON THE, ON THE POSITIONS.

AGAIN, I'M NOT ASKING FOR NAMES, I'M ASKING FOR, UH, POSITIONS.

AND SO IF YOU ALREADY PROVIDED THAT, THEN I THINK THEN THAT'S FINE AND I CAN GO THROUGH IT AND MAYBE THAT'S A MISTAKE ON, ON MY PART OR THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ME AND MY STAFF HAVEN'T, HAVEN'T CHECKED.

BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I DON'T SEE HOW THIS, UH, MY MOTION IS ASKING FOR ANYTHING BEYOND WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY PROVIDED THEM.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ARE YOU ASKING LIKE FOR A DEPARTMENT, HOW MANY VACANCIES ARE FOR THAT DEPARTMENT OR FOR EACH POSITION? FOR EACH POSITION IN THAT DEPARTMENT.

SO YES, SO, OKAY.

YOU WANTED POSITION BY POSITION? POSITION, YES.

YOU DON'T WANT BY DEPARTMENT.

FOR THE CHAIR, YES.

I THINK CITY MANAGER ALREADY SAID THAT.

UM, HE'S, UM, HE'S AMENABLE TO SIT DOWN WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS AND I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT AND I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

MAY I JUMP INTO THAT COUNCIL MEMBER AND BEING THAT, SO THEN IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, GIVE US A TIME TOMORROW SO WE CAN, WE CAN OR IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TOMORROW.

I DON'T HAVE TO MEET TOMORROW, SO IT'S MAY.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO MEET THOUGH, TO HAVE THIS LEVEL, TRY TO SCHEDULE TIME BEFORE OUR NEXT, UH, BUDGET WORKSHOP MEETING IF, IF POSSIBLE.

NOT TRYING TO PUT AN UNDUE BURDEN ON STAFF.

NO, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.

I THINK, I THINK THE BRIEFINGS ARE, ARE IMPORTANT.

UM, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO HOLD SOME, UH, BEFORE BOTH WORKSHOPS, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO GET THOSE ON THE CALENDAR.

AND THEN I THINK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IF WE DOUBLE UP, UH, UM, ON, ON THAT AND, UH, WITHOUT, I KNOW VIOLATING THE BROWN ACT AND ALL THAT, BUT THE, SO THAT THERE, THE LESS CONSTANT SIT DOWNS AND REPEATING THE SAME INFORMATION.

I KNOW THAT GETS TEDIOUS FOR YOU GUYS TOO, SO YEAH.

HOPEFULLY MAYBE WE COULD DO, UH, SOME BACK TO BACK SO THAT WAY IT, IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY SO MUCH TIME AND UH, UH, YOU KNOW, 2 2, 2 1 TYPE OF THING.

AND, UH, AND REALIZING ALSO MONDAY IS A HOLIDAY, SO THAT MEANS THAT TIME IS EVEN SHORTER.

IT'S MEMORIAL DAY MONDAY MEMORIAL.

SO IT'S EVEN SHORTER THAN TIME THEY HAVE.

I HAVE A QUICK, YOU KNOW, LIKE A CLARIFICATION FOR CITY MANAGER, CITY MANAGER WITH THE, UH, 382 FDE THAT IS HERE ON PAGE, UH, SEVEN OF THIS, UM, OF THIS WORKSHEET.

UH, A HUNDRED OF 105 FTES ARE UNDER THE, UH, UM, ENTERPRISE, UM, YOU KNOW, ENTERPRISE FUNDS.

SO ALL THOSE 105 ARE FILLED, CORRECT, SIR? UM, YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER THAT TO ME.

I JUST FORGOT THAT QUESTION TO YOU, BUT WE CAN GET THAT ANSWER.

OKAY, SO YOU STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? COULD YOU JUST SPECIFY, SPECIFY WHAT THE MOTION IS? SO IT, BECAUSE I SAY WE DID A LOT OF TALKING THERE, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT EXACTLY WHAT IT, YEAH, MY MOTION IS FOR STAFF TO PROVIDE COUNSEL DETAILED, UH, INFO ON CONTRACTS, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, OTHER M AND O ACCOUNTS, PERSONNEL POSITION LEVEL DETAIL, NOT THE NAMES ORG CHART OF FILLED POSITIONS, INCLUDING TEMPS AND ANNUITANTS DETAILED COSTS FOR THE 12TH MONTH, UAL PENSION, OBLIGATION BOND LIABILITY, WORKER COMP PREMIUM.

AND SOME OF THIS IS INFO THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS ALREADY BE PROVIDED.

SO, AND YEAH, CAN I, CAN I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THAT? I UNDERSTAND THE, UH, FRUSTRATION BECAUSE IT MAY BE REALLY FRUSTRATING FOR SOME IN THE AUDIENCE OR SOME OF THE DIRECTORS GOING OVER THIS BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT EXCEEDINGLY WELL, BUT WE DON'T, AND SO I THINK, I THINK I SHARE SOME OF THE FRUSTRATIONS IN JUST WANTING TO KNOW MORE INFORMATION.

AND I, AND I GET IT, WE DO HAVE A LOT PROVIDED TO US AND WE'RE STILL EXPECTED TO HAVE A SHORTFALL, RIGHT? SO HOW DO WE, I GUESS, I GUESS TO THINK IN A POSITIVE KIND OF COLLECTIVE MINDSET, HOW DO WE WORK THIS OUT TOGETHER, RIGHT? HOW DO WE SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH THIS AND, AND TRY TO FIND A MORE KIND OF, UM, UH, UH, SOME KIND OF SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.

SO I JUST WANNA PUT IT OUT THERE, UM, THAT, THAT IS CERTAINLY MY INTENT AND I KNOW IT'S COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH'S INTENT AS WELL.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

I HAVE A CLARIFICATION QUESTION.

UM, TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF THE REQUEST THAT YOU'RE MAKING MEMBER BUSH.

UM, AND WHAT I'M ENVISIONING IS THE BUDGET BOOK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED IN THE PAST, UM, THAT IS WHERE I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND FROM STAFF IS THAT BUDGET BOOK THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THIS RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? SO THIS ONE IS FOR FISCAL YEAR 26.

UM, THIS IS ADOPTED, RIGHT? RIGHT.

WELL HERE'S THE PRELIMINARY ONE.

SO THE, THE INFORMATION IN THAT PRELIMINARY ONE IS NOT SUFFICIENT.

PRELIMINARY ONE.

PRELIMINARY.

AND THAT'S JUST THE FINAL, THIS IS FY 26.

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YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

THIS IS FROM LAST YEAR, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR THAT INFORMATION FOR THE UPCOMING BUDGET? YES.

FOR FY 27 FOR SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE IN THAT LEVEL.

SO IT'S THERE.

SO LET TELL YOU THIS, IT EXISTS, I KNOWS IT'S THERE.

THIS IS WHAT I'M ASKING.

IS, UM, IT'S THERE SOMEWHERE.

BUT MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH, UH, HOW, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE STAFF TO AMASS THAT INFORMATION FOR US? LIKE IN THE PAST, RIGHT? SO, SO TO PRODUCE THIS AFTER IT WAS FINALIZED OR, OR YOU KNOW, WHEN IT WAS PREPARED TO PRODUCE IT IN THE FORM THAT YOU COULD SHARE IT TO US.

HOW LONG DID THAT TAKE? AND THE PURPOSE OF MY QUESTION IS, IS IT FEASIBLE TO ASK FOR THAT RIGHT NOW? YOU KNOW, TO HAVE IT BEFORE WE ADOPT THE BUDGET? IF, IF, IF I COULD, THIS IS OUR ONE FROM LAST YEAR AND IT WAS PRESENTED TO US.

'CAUSE HERE'S THE AGENDA ON JUNE 4TH WITH ALL THAT DETAIL, BUT SO THE, SO, BUT IT, SO IT EXISTS, BUT TO BE FAIR, AND FOR THE FEASIBILITY, I DON'T NEED IT ALL AT ONCE.

UH, I WANT TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, BUT I WANT TO BE COMPREHENSIVE BECAUSE TO BE FRANK, I'VE ASKED FOR THIS AND HAVEN'T GOTTEN SOME OF IT.

NOW STEVE, YOU HAVE PRESENTED SOME OF IT, AND SO I JUST WANNA BE CAREFUL ON NOT, UM, NOT ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE ALREADY PROVIDED.

SO I THINK MY MOTION COVERS THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE INFORMATION OR YOU HAVE THE SUMMARY OF WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE.

SO I'M ASKING FOR THE BACKUP, BUT I AM ASKING FOR IT IN THAT ONE-ON-ONE OR THAT MORE KIND OF, UM, NOT INTIMATE, BUT THE, JUST THE, UM, SPECIFIC, THE SPECIFIC AND, AND THOSE BRIEFINGS.

SO SEPARATE BRIEFINGS FOR THAT, HOPEFULLY, IF POSSIBLE BEFORE THE, THE FOURTH.

BUT I'M OPEN IF, IF IT'S NOT READY BEFORE THE FOURTH, I'M OPEN.

YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS PROCESS, UM, THE, THE OBJECTIVE IS TO GET SOME CLARITY OR DIRECTION ON STAFF'S BUDGET REDUCTION PROPOSAL SO THAT OUR FINANCE TEAM COULD IMMEDIATELY MOVE TOWARDS PREPARING YOUR PRELIMINARY BUDGET.

UM, WHICH OUR, OUR TARGET IS TO PRESENT THAT PUBLICLY, UM, ON JUNE 2ND.

SO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE WOULD BE HOLDING COUNCIL MEMBER BRIEFINGS, AND THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH THAT.

HAVE YOU GUYS ASK US QUESTIONS, UM, WHICH COULD INCLUDE, UM, AS A SUGGESTION, YOU SEE A LINE ITEM FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

WE WILL HAVE OUR DIRECTORS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

SO IF WE CAN AGAIN, GET, UH, AT LEAST SOME FEEDBACK TONIGHT ON STAFF'S BUDGET REDUCTIONS, THEN WE CAN DIRECT OUR, OUR FINANCE MANAGER AND TEAM TO START WORKING ON THIS PRELIM PRELIMINARY, UH, OUR PROPOSED BUDGET BOOK.

GREAT.

AND I, AND I HAVE SOME OF THAT PREPARED TOO.

SO THOSE ARE SEPARATE MOTIONS, BUT I HAVE THAT PREPARED TOO.

LET ME JUST ASK THE QUESTION THEN.

SO THEN LET'S JUST SAY WITHOUT ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT WE ACCEPTED WHAT STAFF BROUGHT TO US TONIGHT, THEN WE COULD EXPECT THAT FOR OUR BRIEFINGS FOR THE JUNE 2ND MEETING, WE WOULD HAVE THIS, THAT, THAT'S CORRECT.

AM I, IS THAT CORRECT, PAUL? IF WE GET THE DIRECTION ON THE BUDGET REDUCTIONS TONIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.

I WOULD IMMEDIATELY START TOMORROW, UM, DRAFTING AND I, I THINK SOMETIMES PRELIMINARY AND PROPOSED OUR USE INTERCHANGEABLY.

BUT WHAT I WOULD CALL THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FY 27 TO BE PRESENTED ON, UH, JUNE THE SECOND.

SO THAT WOULD GIVE ME, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD NEED TO BE SUBMITTED BY THE CLERK, UH, TO THE CLERK BY, UH, I BELIEVE THE 28TH WOULD BE, UH, THE DATE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED.

SO IT IS A TIGHT TURNAROUND AND, YOU KNOW, ANY WAY YOU CUT IT.

BUT, UM, IF, IF WE RECEIVED DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL TONIGHT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, I COULD BEGIN DRAFTING, UH, THAT INFORMATION AT THE LEVEL THAT, UH, THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.

AND AT LEAST THEN WE STILL HAVE THAT SECOND MEETING TO THEN MAKE THAT FINAL, THAT FINAL CHANGE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE FLEXIBLE THOSE FINAL ADJUSTMENTS.

SO IF YOU DON'T, AGAIN, IF, IF CITY MANAGER, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SUM OF THE, THAT DETAIL READY, UM, BY THE FOURTH, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALREADY PROVIDED A LOT OF IT, THEN, THEN WE HAVE THAT SECOND BITE OF THE APPLE.

SO I'M, I'M OPEN.

CHARTS THAT AREN'T IN THIS.

SO YOU DIDN'T, WE DON'T HAVE A, UH, I UNDERSTAND YOU, YOU SPECIFIED A NUMBER OF THINGS WE'D LIKE, WHICH A LOT OF IT'S GONNA BE THIS, A LOT OF IT.

OTHER, IT WOULD BE SOME, UH, SOME

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AND, UH, BUT YOU, YOU DIDN'T, UH, I JUST WANNA DIFFERENTIATE FROM THE VERY FIRST, WHEN YOU FIRST BROUGHT UP THE MOTION, YOU HAD A SPECIFIC TIME THAT IT HAD TO BE IN AND I REMOVED THAT.

UH, I AMENDED THE, IF THE SECOND OR IS, UH, TO REMOVE THE TIME.

I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE SOMEONE KNOW THAT, SO YEAH.

BUT SO THE STAFF IS TO WORK AS, AS EXPONENTIALLY AS THEY CAN, UH, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AND, UH, REALIZING GOT OTHER WORK TOO.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

COULD WE PUSH OUR BUTTONS IN ON THOSE? HE HAD A NO, NO, NO, WE'RE GOOD.

YOU, I DID, I MAY, I PRESSED A BUTTON.

THERE IT GOES.

AND I THINK, AND THERE IT IS.

EVERYONE UNDERSTAND? PLEASE VOTE.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR AND, UH, UH, OKAY.

MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.

ANOTHER MOTION.

CAN YOU GO TO THE THIRD SLIDE? YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HATE ME BY THE END OF THIS, BUT CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE FIVE? I, I, I'M SENSING FRUSTRATION FROM ASKING INFORMATION.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S OKAY.

WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH THIS.

OKAY, SO ON THIS, SO I, MY, MY REQUEST, UM, SO I WOULD LIKE US TO CHANGE HOW WE DO, HOW WE, HOW WE GET THIS INFORMATION.

I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH THE ADOPTED.

I, I DON'T THINK THE FIRST COLUMN, UH, IS, UH, SO THE SECOND COLUMN IN GREEN, THAT'S USEFUL.

I DON'T, I, I WOULD RATHER SEE IN THE FIRST COLUMN, NOT THE ADOPTED BUDGET.

I WOULD RATHER SEE THE ACTUALS AND THEN THE FY THE DIFFERENCE, THE, SO THE THIRD AND THE FOURTH, UH, SLIDE I, I DON'T THINK IS AS, AS RELEVANT TO ME OR TO THE PUBLIC.

SO WHAT I WOULD ASK IS FOR THAT TO BE CHANGED.

AND WE DO ALREADY HAVE THIS INFORMATION.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THAT FY 27 COLUMN MOVED FOR THE END TO THE FOURTH.

UM, AND I'M NOT AS INTERESTED IN THE CHANGES OR IF YOU GUYS WANT TO PUT A, A FIFTH COLUMN THERE TO COMPARE THE FY 26 ACTUALS WITH THE PROJECTIONS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR, UH, Q4, UM, AND THE, AND SHOW THE DIFFERENCE IN A FIFTH COLUMN.

I'M OPEN TO THAT.

BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS IT REPLACED.

SO WE CAN SEE KIND OF, UM, A, A CHRONOLOGICAL PATTERN.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE AUDITED FY 24 ACTUALS FOR THESE SAME ROWS AND CATEGORIES IN THE FIRST COLUMN.

IN THE SECOND COLUMN, I'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, THE ACTUALS FOR FY 25.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THOSE ARE UNAUDITED.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE UNAUDITED ACTUALS FOR FY 25.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S, YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THAT FOR THAT THIRD COLUMN.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FY 26 ACTUALS UP UNTIL MARCH 31ST, BECAUSE THAT YOU GUYS SENT THAT ALREADY AND THE PROJECTION FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR WITH THAT FFY 26 AND THEN THE FY 27, YOU ALREADY HAVE IT THERE.

SO IT'S JUST MOVING THAT FY 27 OVER TO THE END.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.

AND THEN I'M OPEN TO HEARING MY COLLEAGUES ON WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE.

UM, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

I THINK IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO LOOK AT PREVIOUS TWO YEARS WITH THE ACTUALS RIGHT NOW AND THEN COME, COME UP WITH OUR PROJECTIONS, THIS PRELIMINARY BUDGET.

SO THEN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE WILL SEE HOW WE TRENDED, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UM, CURRENTLY BECAUSE THE ADOPTED BUDGET THAT'S, IT'S NOT AS RELEVANT.

LIKE WHAT THE ADOPT THE ADOPTED WAS JUST WHAT WE, THAT ADOPTED BUDGET NUMBER.

THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT WE HAD BACK IN MAY OF 2025.

WE HAVE BETTER DATA UP FROM MARCH 31ST, 2026.

SO THAT'S THE DATA THAT I WANT TO SEE.

ACTUALS NOT THE ADOPTED.

THAT'S THAT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.

I, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I, YOU KNOW, THE ADOPTED BUDGET IS ONE THING, AND THEN IF YOU WAS TO HAVE PROJECTED BUDGET FOR THAT YEAR, SO WE'RE PROJECTING YOUR ACTUALS REALLY DON'T TELL YOU, ESPECIALLY ON REVENUE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE, THOSE REVENUES AREN'T IN YET.

THE ONES THAT COME STATE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION, ALL THIS DIFFERENT STUFF, THEY COME IN BIG LUMP SUMS. SO YOU, THE NUMBER IS NOT, NOT GONNA REALLY SHOW YOU ANYTHING.

UH, I WOULD RATHER SEE A PROJECTION FOR FOR 26 THAT THAT WILL, THAT WILL GIVE YOU, UH, STAFF KNOWS KIND OF WHAT, WHAT THOSE BIG SUMS ARE.

THEY'RE COMING IN AND, UH, ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS FROM PROPERTY TAX, ALL THAT STUFF, ALL THAT STUFF DOESN'T COME IN FOR A WHILE YET.

AND SO YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING AT A VERY LOW NUMBER AND YOU GO, GEE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY.

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THOUSAND PERCENT MAYOR.

SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD SAY THE ACTUALS FOR FY 26, THE AC WE HAVE ACTUALS.

WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY, TELL ME TO THIS POINT, YES.

UNTIL MARCH 31ST.

SO WE HAVE THREE QUARTERS OF ACTUALS FOR FY 26, WE HAVE ONE QUARTER OF PROJECTIONS.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING FOR FY 26, I WOULD LIKE THE THREE QUARTERS OF ACTUALS AND THE PROJECTIONS ALL IN ONE TO PRESENT IT IN ONE OKAY.

COLUMN.

UM, WELL, INSTEAD OF, 'CAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S GONNA GET REALLY COMPLICATED ON THAT SHEET.

IF, IF I, I THINK THAT, UH, IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST AN, IT'S JUST IF YOU, IF YOU PRESENT IT AS ONE NUMBER, THIS IS WHAT, SO THE FINANCE, BUT I CAN HAVE STAFF TELL ME IF YOU CANNOT DO THIS OR, AND Y PLEASE.

SO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR ONE NUMBER FY 26, IT'S THE ACTUALS WITH THE Q4 PROJECTIONS.

LET, LET, LET ME MAKE A SUGGESTION.

HOW ABOUT IF YOU ADD ANOTHER, YOU KEEP THIS PAGE LIKE THIS, YOU ADD ANOTHER PAGE THAT HAS ADOPTED IT HAS THEN, UH, ACTUALS TO THIS CERTAIN DATE, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR PROJECTED, AND THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE 26 WHERE WE PROJECTED WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY AT AND WHERE WE'RE PROJECTED TO BE AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND JUST DO A SEPARATE PAGE.

SO I'M OKAY WITH NO, NOT ON THE SEPARATE PAGE.

MY POINT STILL STANDS ABOUT BEING ADOPTED.

I, SO I AGREE WITH YOU.

I, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE ACTUALS.

SO THANK YOU HEIDI.

SO THIS, SO THIS WE HAVE, I'M SAYING MODIFY THIS SLIDE MOVING FORWARD.

I'M NOT ASKING FOR A SEPARATE ONE.

I'M SAYING EDIT THIS, EDIT THIS ONE FOR NEXT TIME SO THAT WE HAVE IT.

FY 24 ACTUALS, FY 25 ACTUALS, AND THEN FY 20, UH, YES AUDITED FY 24 UNAUDITED ACTUALS FY 25, WHAT WE HAVE FOR FY 26, THE COMBINATION OF THE ACTUALS AND THOSE PROJECTIONS, EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID.

AND THEN FOR FY 27, THAT WHAT WE HAVE, BUT MOVE MOVED OVER.

WELL, YOU'D ALSO HAVE TO HAVE THE ADOPTED FOR 26.

WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE, I'M NOT, I'M JUST TELLING MAYOR I'M NOT SEE WHAT THE CHANGES ARE.

I, NO, I'M NOT INTERESTED.

SO IF YOU WANT, IF YOU REALLY WANT, THEN WE CAN HAVE THAT IN THERE.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE FY 26 ADOPTED BUDGET.

LIKE I DON'T NEED TO SEE IT BECAUSE WE, WE ALREADY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ADOPTED.

IT'S THE, BUT WE HAVE UPDATED INFORMATION, SO I DON'T NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE PROJECTED BACK LAST YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE UPDATED INFO.

SO I THINK IT'S UNNECESSARY.

BUT IF YOU REALLY WANT IT, I'M OKAY WITH WELL, BY DOING THAT THEN YOU'LL KNOW IF WE'RE ABOVE OR BELOW, BELOW OUR BUDGET.

WE ALREADY, WE, WE ALREADY HAVE.

BUT THAT'S WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BEFORE THIS PRESENTATION.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED IT.

I'M FINE IF YOU, I'M OPEN TO AMENDING IT TO INCLUDE FY 26.

UH, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER COLUMN.

IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT, UH, THEN I'M OPEN TO THAT, THEN I CAN AMEND MY MOTION TO HAVE THE FY 26 ADOPTED.

CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF? STAFF? ARE, ARE YOU MAKING, IS THIS MAKING ANY SENSE TO YOU? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UH, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE ACTUAL QUESTION? IS, IS, IS THE QUESTION, IS ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE? THE, THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES.

UHHUH.

SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE DEAL WOULD BE TO CHANGE THIS CHART TO HAVE ACTUALS FROM 24.

AND THOSE ARE THE AUDITED ONES.

THE UNAUDITED ONES FROM 25.

THEN INCLUDE THE ADOPTED FOR 26, THE, UH, ACTUALS TO A, TO WHATEVER DATE.

I THINK YOU, I THINK YOU'VE GOT 'EM TO, UH, UH, MARCH 31ST AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE, UH, PROJECTED PROJECTED FOR THE YEAR.

THE OTHER ISSUE BECOMES WHEN WE PRESENT THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WE TYPICALLY DON'T, WE'RE TYPICALLY THROUGH WITH THE COMPARISONS TO THE PRIOR YEARS.

AND WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

HERE'S WHAT THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS.

UM, IF YOU, UM, AND MAYBE THE CITY, UH, CITY ATTORNEY COULD SPEAK ON THIS, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED ON THIS TO BE PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION, UH, OUTSIDE THESE MEETINGS, I COULD DEFINITELY, UM, PUT THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER TO PROVIDE.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION.

WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS JUST A CHANGE IN HOW IT'S PRESENTED RIGHT HERE.

THAT'S ALL.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE IT.

I'M JUST, OH, OKAY.

YEAH, RIGHT THERE.

JUST, AND FOR THE, AND FOR THE RECORD, I DID, UH, AMEND IT SO THAT WE CAN INCLUDE IT FY 26 ADOPTED BUDGET.

AND THAT AS A COLUMN.

I AM INTERESTED FOR THIS SITE, I AM INTERESTED IN FY 24 ACTUALS, FY 25.

SO I STILL, THAT STILL PART MM-HMM.

STANDS.

AND, UH, AMENDED ACCEPTED.

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AMENDED ACCEPTED.

AND I'LL JUST ASK ONE CLARIFICATION QUESTION ON THAT.

AND THAT IS, SO ARE FY 25 UNAUDITED, WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET THE AUDITED REPORT ON THOSE? SO I WILL DEFER TO THE, UH, FINANCE DIRECTOR HERE.

GOOD EVENING COUNCIL, UM, COUNCIL, VICE MAYOR AND ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, THAT IS IN PROGRESS.

I DO HAVE A FOLLOW UP WITH THEM.

I'M HOPING TO GET THEM NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE ACTUALS FOR YOU TO REVIEW AT THIS TIME.

YEAH, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THAT ANSWER FOR A WHILE, SO WE APPRECIATE THAT.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND, AND THAT IS TO ADD, UM, THE 24, UH, UM, AUDITED, THE 25 UNAUDITED NUMBERS AND ADDED IN AND THEN ALSO THE PROJECTED.

MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.

UH, SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE ALL THOSE, COMPARE 'EM TOGETHER.

UH, OKAY.

YEAH, WE DO HAVE IT ALREADY PUSHED IN THERE.

SO GO AHEAD AND PLEASE VOTE.

ON, ON THE, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE REVENUE SIDE.

UM, IF STAFF CAN EXPLAIN THE, SO THE TWO MAIN COSTS ON OUR EXPENDITURES THAT HAVE CHANGED OUR PERSONNEL AND INTERNAL SERVICE STRUCTURE, WHICH NUMBER? WHICH PATIENT? OH, SORRY.

I THINK IT'S, UH, SLIDE, I THINK IT'S SIX.

SO IT'S JUST THE NEXT ONE.

SO IT'S THE EXPENDITURES.

SO THE FIRST ONE WAS REVENUE.

AND NOW THE EXPENDITURES.

SO THE, THE MAIN INCREASES HERE FOR THE FY 27 BUDGET WHERE THE, UM, OUR PERSONNEL SERVICES AND INTERNAL SERVICE CHARGES.

THE INTERNAL SERVICE CHARGES.

I, WE CAN HAVE MORE DISCUSSION, CITY MANAGER, UH, UH, ABOUT THAT, UM, OFFLINE.

BUT OVERALL, THOSE ARE INTERNAL.

THOSE ARE OUR CHARGES.

SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, HOW WOULD IT IMPACT OUR BUDGET IF WE KEPT IT FLAT? LIKE WHAT ARE THE, UH, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A SAVINGS IF WE, BUT MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING OR READING IT WRONG.

SO, UM, IF WE KEPT INTERNAL SERVICE CHARGES FLAT, OR IF WE CUT THOSE, WHAT IS THE NET EFFECT OF OUR BUDGET AND BUDGET DEFICIT? THAT IS CORRECT.

ANY, UH, ANY REDUCTIONS MADE TO THOSE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS FLOW THROUGH TO THE GENERAL FUND? MM-HMM .

NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT.

UM, IT DEPENDS, UH, WHAT THAT INTERNAL SER SERVICE FUND IS, BUT, UM, IT'S NOT ALL MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS IN THOSE FUNDS.

THERE'S ALSO STAFF AS WELL.

SO WE COULDN'T NECESSARILY JUST HOLD IT FLAT AND, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ALLOCATE THAT.

AND THOSE FUNDS ARE, UH, THEIR REVENUE SOURCE IS THE CHARGES OUT TO THE DEPARTMENTS.

FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THE, UH, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY FUND.

THEY BUY COMPUTERS, THEY BUY SOFTWARE THEY BUY.

AND SO ALL OF THOSE CHARGES FOR THE YEAR ARE ALLOCATED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AND THEN THE, UH, THEY'RE FUNDED BY CHARGING THOSE, UH, THOSE DEPARTMENTS, THOSE FUNDS FOR THEIR APPROPRIATE SHARE, UH, TO MAKE THOSE PURCHASES.

SO THAT'S, SO THANK YOU PAUL.

GREAT JOB EXPLAINING THAT.

AND I'LL, I'LL TALK MORE OFFLINE TO YOU GUYS 'CAUSE THERE, I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME GAPS IN MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT BASICALLY THAT'S LIKE THE FINAL, IS IT FAIR TO CALL THAT LIKE THE FINAL OUTPUT SO THAT WHAT'S FEEDING INTO HERE, YOU GUYS MADE SOME PROPOSED CUTS TO VEHICLES AND SOME OTHER CUTS, SO THEN THE, UM, INTERNAL SERVICE CHARGES WOULD BE REDUCED THEN, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.

OH, SO THAT'S OKAY.

SO THEN WE'LL SEE THE NUMBER GO DOWN.

DOWN.

UM, SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO UPDATE THIS SLIDE, THE EXPENDITURE SLIDE IN THE SAME WAY I JUST MADE TO, UM, DO THE, UM, THE REVENUE.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS PRESENTED AS FY 24 AUDITED ACTUALS ON EXPENDITURES.

ONE COLUMN FY 25 UNNOTED ACTUALS, EXPENDITURES, ANOTHER COLUMN FY 26 ADOPTED BUDGET.

UM, THE ACTUALS ON THE FY UH, 26, UH, BUDGET UP UNTIL MARCH 31ST WITH THE PROJECTIONS, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

AND THEN THE FY 27, MOVE IT OVER, WHETHER IT'S THIS NUMBER OR THE UPDATED NUMBER, WHATEVER THAT IS.

SO I ASK FOR, UH, CLARIFICATION FOR FISCAL YEAR 27.

FOR REVENUE, JUST HAVING THAT SAME THING FOR EXPENDITURES.

WOULD YOU LIKE FOR, AND THIS GOES FOR BOTH THE REVENUE AND THE EXPENDITURE, WOULD YOU LIKE? YES.

SO JUST REVENUE AND, AND EXPENDITURE.

SO EVERYTHING THAT WE JUST ASKED FOR ON THE REVENUE SIDE OF IT, I, I REALLY COULD HAVE JUST MADE THE ONE MOTION FOR THAT, I GUESS.

BUT, SO EVERYTHING THAT I JUST, UH, ASKED FOR HOW IT'S PRESENTED IN POWERPOINT

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UNDERSTOOD.

I'M ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON, FOR 27, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THE PRELIMINARY NUMBERS OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR FY 27 TO BE ADJUSTED FOR THE, UH, REDUCTION PROPOSALS THAT WERE SUBMITTED? YEAH, UH, WHATEVER.

YOU CAN, LET ME LEAVE IT OPEN ON THAT.

SO WHATEVER YOU GUYS CAN, THE ADJUSTED NUMBERS SO THEY ADD UP.

SO IDEALLY IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE THAT, THOSE NUMBERS ADJUSTED FOR BASED ON WHAT OUR DIRECTION IS TONIGHT.

IF YOU DON'T, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

UH, I WILL, UH, I WILL SET THOSE EQUAL TO WHAT WE'RE, UH, WHAT WE INTEND TO PROPOSE ON THE SECOND.

GREAT.

SO I'LL MAKE THAT A MOTION.

SO THIS IS JUST BASICALLY DO THE SAME THING WITH THE EXPENDITURES.

THAT WAS DONE WITH THE, UH, THE REVENUES.

UH, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

MOTION TO IMPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.

IS YOUR PUSH BUTTON IN FOR, WHOOPS.

BUSH RODRIGUEZ.

THERE IT GOES.

UM, GO AHEAD AND PLEASE VOTE.

I'LL TAKE A BREAK.

ALL RIGHT.

I THINK WE WE'RE GOOD, HUH? WE'RE GOOD FOR YOU.

WE'RE GOOD FOR NOW.

I, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ACTUALLY.

HOWEVER, WHICHEVER VEHICLES ARE NON-ESSENTIAL.

UM, HOW MUCH WAS THE PROPOSED VEHICLE PURCHASING BUDGET FOR THIS? YEAH.

HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH WAS THE PROPOSED BUDGET OVERALL? WELL, WHAT I CAN SHARE, AND, AND THIS TYPICALLY GETS PRESENTED WITH THE PROPOSED BUDGET WHERE WE FOCUS MORE ON CIP AND AND UH, OUR VEHICLES.

BUT IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE $160,000, UM, BUDGET REDUCTION, WE ESSENTIALLY CUT OUR VEHICLE ACQUISITION REQUEST IN HALF.

UM, SO PAUL MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, PASS THROUGHS FROM THE GENERAL FUND, UM, INTO THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND.

WE WERE LOOKING AT, I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT $2 MILLION IN VEHICLE ACQUISITION COST OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

WE CUT THAT DOWN TO A MILLION DOLLARS.

UH, THE REASON WE'RE ONLY PROJECTING YIELD ABOUT $160,000 SAVINGS IS BECAUSE IN PREVIOUS BUDGET YEARS, UM, THE AMOUNT OF TRANSFERS IN KIND OF WHERE COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH WAS GOING WAS, WAS REDUCED.

AND SO NOW WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE THE WHOLE IDEA IS, IS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY IN THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND BASED ON OUR ROTATION SCHEDULE PLUS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, PROJECTING OUT COST INCREASES OVER TIME, SO THE MONEY'S THERE TO MAKE THOSE LEASES AND ACQUISITIONS.

SO WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT, AGAIN, A SUBSTANTIAL DEFERMENT OF CERTAIN VEHICLE ACQUISITIONS AND UNFORTUNATELY IT'S ONLY YIELDING ABOUT $160,000 IN SAVINGS.

I'D LIKE US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE DEEPER AND MAYBE LOOK AT FREEZING PURCHASING OF NEW VEHICLES FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR.

UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

SO YOU'RE SAYING NO, NO NEW ACQUISITIONS, CORRECT? YEAH, WE DID, UH, FINANCE DID RUN THOSE NUMBERS AND IT WOULD BE, UH, POTENTIALLY A THREE TO $400,000 SAVINGS VERSUS $160,000 SAVINGS.

AND WE CAN CERTAINLY RERUN THOSE NUMBERS.

UM, I'M A LITTLE HESITANT 'CAUSE SOME OF THOSE ARE RELATED TO POLICE DEPARTMENT ROTATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY REVISIT IT AND, AND REPORT BACK.

YEAH, I, I WOULD LOVE, UH, UPDATED NUMBERS AND MORE, UH, MORE SO LEANING TOWARDS THE FREEZING OF PURCHASING, UH, WITHOUT THEM BEING ESSENTIAL.

I MEAN, IF A VEHICLE STILL WORKS, CAN WE HOLD OFF FOR A YEAR? RIGHT.

THAT'S KIND OF, UM, UH, I THINK THE KIND OF DECISIONS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE MAKING.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED A FORM OF A MOTION, BUT OKAY.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, PROVIDE US NUMBERS ON WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO FREEZE ALL NEW VEHICLE PURCHASING FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR 26, 27.

UM, AND IF THERE IS A PURCHASE NEEDED, IT WOULD NEED TO BE BROUGHT TO COUNSEL SECOND FREEZE OR TO LOWER IT, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME THAT THEY KNOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHY IT WOULD, THE REQUEST WOULD BE MADE TO BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL.

LEMME SEE IF I GOT, CAN YOU, OH, CLARIFY.

WE, WE, WE DO THAT ANYWAY, SO THAT WILL GET PRESENTED TO YOU AS PART OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET ON JUNE 2ND.

[02:25:02]

WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

UH, PLEASE VOTE MOTION PRE A UNANIMOUSLY.

I HAVE ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION, MAYOR.

OF COURSE, THAT'S CONTINUOUSLY CHANGING.

UM, HOW MUCH ARE WE BUDGETING FOR OPEN POSITIONS RIGHT NOW AT THE CITY? I BELIEVE WE HAD EITHER 29 OR 24 4 MILLION.

I THINK AS WE'VE HEARD VACANCIES CHANGE WEEK TO WEEK.

UH, PAUL, WHAT, WHAT DO WE PRESENT AT THE LAST BUDGET WORKSHOP AS FAR AS, UM, AND AGAIN, SOME OF THOSE WERE, UM, IT WASN'T COMPREHENSIVE EVERY SINGLE VACANCY, BUT PAUL CAN SPEAK TO, IF IT IS A POSITION THAT COUNSEL, AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS ASSIGNS FUNDING AND, AND WANT AND, AND, UH, EXPECTS US TO FILL, PAUL CAN SPEAK TO HOW, UH, AT WHAT, AT WHAT, UH, LEVEL THEY DO THEIR BUDGETING FOR THOSE POSITIONS.

SO HE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

UH, THE, UH, THE VACANCY, WHAT I CALL SNAPSHOT THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE FIRST WORKSHOP INCLUDED 29 VACANT POSITIONS IN THE GENERAL FUND TOTALING $3.9 MILLION.

IF I WERE TO RUN THAT AGAIN RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

UM, IN TERMS OF HOW WE BUDGET FOR VACANT POSITIONS.

WHEN I, UH, INITIALLY EXTRACT THE INFORMATION FOR, UH, POSITIONS THAT ARE MEA OR REPRESENTED THAT HAVE A TRADITIONAL SALARY SCALE, I BUDGET THEM FOR SIX MONTHS AT A STEP AND THEN SIX MONTHS AT B STEP.

AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S THE DEFAULT.

UM, THERE CAN BE EXCEPTIONS IF WE GO THROUGH IT, AND I'M INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY EITHER, UH, THE CITY MANAGER OR THE DEPARTMENT SAYS, OH, WE'RE ONBOARDING SOMEONE TOMORROW AT CSTEP, I WILL MAKE THAT MODIFICATION.

THAT'S FOR ALL OF THE REPRESENTED GROUPS.

UH, NOW FOR MANAGEMENT AND EXECUTIVE POSITIONS, UH, THE DEFAULT IS TO BUDGET THOSE AT THE MIDDLE OF THE SALARY BAN.

UH, AND THE SAME THING HOLDS TRUE.

IF WE RECEIVE BETTER INFORMATION ABOUT WHEN THE POSITION'S GONNA BE ONBOARDED, WE WILL ADJUST, UH, THE BUDGET ACCORDINGLY.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO FREEZE ALL NEW FULL-TIME POSITIONS, UM, UH, EXCLUDING, UH, NON-ESSENTIAL REPLACEMENTS OF INDIVIDUALS.

'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND THERE'S TURNOVER.

UM, UH, THE ONLY THAT'S FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR 26, 27, AND THE ONLY EXCEPTION.

AND, UM, WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR TWO, UM, REC CENTER SUPERVISOR POSITIONS FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS NOW WITHOUT THEM BEING FILLED.

SO I THINK WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE REC CENTER SUPERVISOR POSITION, UH, THAT WOULD MAKE THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION.

CAN, CAN I GET SOME CLARIFICATION? YEAH.

IT WAS THE MOTION TO, AND WE'D HAVE TO VERIFY CURRENT VACANCIES, BUT WAS THE MOTION TO FREEZE THE 29 POSITIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY VACANT, THAT WERE PRESENTED AT THE FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP? THAT IS CORRECT.

UM, KEEPING IN MIND, UH, THOSE WOULD BE NEW POSITIONS.

SO KEEPING IN MIND, UM, UH, POSITIONS WHICH ARE GOING TO BE VACANT OR ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING VACANT THROUGH NORMAL STAFF TURNOVER.

SO THE POSITIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED BEFORE US THAT WERE BUDGETED AND NOT, UH, FILLED, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE ARE, UH, WELL AT LEAST THAT I AM REFERRING TO.

UM, AND THOSE ARE THE FULL-TIME POSITIONS.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WAS PROPOSED TONIGHT WITH, UM, THE REDUCTIONS THAT WERE, THAT WERE PROPOSED BY EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS? WELL, BECAUSE I BELIEVE I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, VACANT POSITIONS.

THERE WERE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF $4 MILLION, UM, IN ALL OF THE SALARIES COMBINED.

AND I DON'T THINK THE PROPOSED TODAY WAS ANYWHERE NEAR THAT.

SO, UH, CAN I, CAN I GET CLARIFICATION FROM THE CITY MANAGER? YEAH.

I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THE REQUESTS.

WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS WE WENT THROUGH A VERY STRATEGIC PROCESS AT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL, RATHER THAN FREEZE ALL VACANCIES TO LOOK AT STRATEGICALLY FREEZING POSITIONS, DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT TO, TO NOT ONLY MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO OPERATIONS, BUT BUT TO TRY TO MAINTAIN A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

UM, I DO, I AM CONCERNED IF THAT WAS THE, THE DECISION TODAY TO FREEZE ALL OF THOSE POSITIONS AND WHAT THOSE IMPACTS WOULD BE TO SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY.

I'LL JUST STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD.

IT'S ULTIMATELY THE COUNCIL'S DECISION.

I, I APPRECIATE THAT, SIR.

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SO I, UM, AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED MOTION.

I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT WE TASKED OUR STAFF TO DO.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS WAS ASKED TO CONSIDER REDUCTIONS AND WHAT WAS ESSENTIAL.

UM, AND, AND SO, AND THEY DID THE WORK AND THIS IS WHAT WE SAW TONIGHT.

AND SO NOW TO GO AND, YOU KNOW, TOSS THAT AND GO BACK AND, AND ACTUALLY SAY, NO, LET, LET'S STICK TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT I THINK IS BETTER, I THINK IS FOOLISH.

I AM IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING WHAT WAS PROPOSED BY OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS TONIGHT.

AND SO I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION ON THE TABLE.

LET ME JUST SAY THAT, UH, THIS, A CLARIFICATION FOR THAT MR. MAYOR, WHAT, JUST AS A CLARIFICATION FOR, FOR THAT, I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN COUNCIL MEMBER RAM MOLINA.

I REALLY DO IT.

WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF THE INFORMATION IS JUST BROUGHT BACK TO US INSTEAD OF MAKING A DECISION TODAY? WOULD THAT BE OKAY FOR US TO CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE? UM, I WOULD NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE MOTION THAT YOU'RE MAKING.

ARE YOU REMOVING THE MOTION FROM THE TABLE? I, I, UM, SO THE MOTION, I, AGAIN, I'M OPEN TO AMENDING THE MOTION TO HAVE INFORMATION BROUGHT BACK TO US ON FREEZING ALL NEW FULL-TIME POSITIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, 27.

SO I, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONE REC CENTER SUPERVISOR POSITION, WHICH WE'VE REQUESTED FOR TWO YEARS.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS CRUCIAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REDUCTIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED TODAY SO THAT WE HAVE A BUDGET THAT IS PRESENTED TO US ON JANU ON, UH, JUNE 2ND.

AND IF WHAT YOU, WHAT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE THE REDUCTIONS PROPOSED TODAY IN ORDER TO COME BACK TO THAT BUDGET, PRELIMINARY BUDGET JUNE 2ND, INSTEAD, WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO ANALYZE BASED ON MORE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT.

I'M IN FAVOR OF THE INFORMATION WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN TODAY BASED ON DIFFICULT DECISIONS THAT OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS WERE ASKED TO MAKE AND CONSIDER WHAT WAS ESSENTIAL IN THEIR, IN, IN WHAT THEY NEED, WHAT THEY PROJECT TO NEED FOR THE F UH, FOR THE COMING FISCAL YEAR.

SO WITH THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE RECEIVED TODAY, I AM IN FAVOR OF THAT INFORMATION.

I DON'T NEED TO SEE, UM, WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.

AND I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD WITH WHAT OUR STAFF HAS PRESENTED SO THAT WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY BUDGET JUNE 2ND.

POTENTIAL, UM, SERVICE CUTS WOULD BE? I, I CAN SPEAK FOR ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS, AND I'VE ASKED OUR DIRECTORS TO, UH, WHEN WE STARTED OUR FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP BEFORE THAT, TO INFORM, YOU KNOW, YOUR TEAMS OF THE STATE OF THE CITY FINANCIALLY, UH, TO WELCOME IDEAS.

I WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

I HAVE, UH, I HAVE A PROBLEM IN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LISTENED TO STAFF AS THEY'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT AREAS TO FREEZE AND, YOU KNOW, WE STILL GOT OTHER SPOTS THAT ARE OPEN AND THAT CONSTANTLY CHANGES.

I MEAN, THERE'S CONSTANTLY GONNA BE VACANCIES.

AND SO TO BASICALLY FREEZE ALL OF THOSE VACANCIES, UH, AT THIS POINT WITHOUT ANY INFORMATION, AND THEN TO CHERRY PICK ONE OF THEM THAT WAS REQUESTED TO BE FROZEN, CHERRY PICK IT OUT, JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

I MEAN, WE'VE REQUESTED A NUMBER OF POSITIONS OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, A COUPLE MORE TREE TRIMMERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

UH, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, THAT WE START CHERRY PICKING, UH, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT DEALS.

IT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

THIS IS A LIVING DEAL.

OUR DEAL IS RIGHT NOW IS TO GET A BALANCED BUDGET TO THE STATE.

THEN WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AND WE CAN GET INFORMATION.

BUT JUST TO WHOLESALE STARTED MAKING CHANGES UP HERE WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY REAL SENSE.

AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT TIME FOR A CHOPPING BLOCK.

THIS IS TIME TO MAKE INFORMED AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, LISTEN TO STAFF AS FAR AS WHAT THE ACTUAL NEEDS ARE, AND THEN HOW WE CAN MOVE, MOVE AHEAD TO GET OURSELF TO THAT POINT.

SO I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE DIS DIFFICULT DECISIONS TO MAKE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THAT WE'VE ASKED OUR EXECS TO COME UP WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK IN COMING UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO I, HOW, HOW I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION IS WE'RE BRINGING BACK INFO.

LEMME SAY THIS, SO WE DO WANT TO MAKE AS MANY CUTS AS POSSIBLE, BUT WHEN I SAID AS FROM THE OFFSET HERE TODAY IS THAT I DON'T WANT TO JUST HACK AWAY AND MAKE CUTS, AND EVEN OUR CITY MANAGER ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE COULD BE SERVICE LEVEL REDUCTIONS BECAUSE OF THIS.

I WANT TO KNOW MORE OF WHAT THOSE SERVICE LEVEL REDUCTIONS COULD BE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHICH ONES SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD WITH AND WHICH ONES DON'T MAKE SENSE.

SO, UM, AND LET ME, LET ME ASK THIS, UH, CITY MANAGER.

SO, UM, AND I KNOW OUR EXECS HAVE DONE SOME GREAT WORK HERE, I ASSUME ARE, HOPEFULLY THE MANAGERS TOO, WERE INCLUDED.

DO YOU KNOW IF ALL OF THE WORKERS, ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN ALSO ENGAGED IN THIS SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FOLKS ON THE GROUND WOULD SEE AS THE

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UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ADDRESS, UH, ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS.

WE ADDRESS OUR ENTIRE TEAM, UM, AT LEAST EVERY OTHER MONTH.

UH, I PRESENTED TO THEM.

AND, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS MOST OUR DIRECTORS, IF NOT ALL, DID THE SAME.

UM, WE'VE ENCOURAGED THEM IF THEY'RE INTERESTED TO, YOU KNOW, COME, COME AND LISTEN TO THE BUDGET WORKSHOP AND TO ALSO PRESENT IDEAS.

SO WE, WE KEEP THAT OPEN.

UH, AND THAT'S THE MESSAGE I GAVE TO OUR DIRECTORS.

AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, BRIEFING THEIR, THEIR EMPLOYEES.

AWESOME.

SO, UM, YEAH, I'LL, I'LL, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO I, UM, HOPE AND WANT TO SEE, AND IF NOT, IF THERE WERE GAPS, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

BUT JUST FROM HERE ON OUT, I WOULD ASK MOVING FORWARD THAT YOU DIRECT OUR, UM, ALL OF OUR DIRECTORS, THAT ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES BE INCLUDED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET INFO.

AND I JUST DON'T WANT EVERYTHING SILOED AND TOP DOWN.

I DO THINK WE SHOULD ENGAGE AND EMPOWER ALL OF OUR, OUR WORKERS TOO, BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME IDEAS, AND THEY SHOULD UNDERSTAND THIS TOO.

THEY SHOULD BE EMPOWERED.

SO I WOULD ASK FOR THAT.

BUT, SO ON THE, UH, SPECIFICS ABOUT THE, UM, F THE, THE, UH, MOTION AND THE REQUEST ON, UH, EXPLORING THE, UH, COMMUNITY SERVICES GENERAL FUND, THE FREEZING TWO FTE REC CENTER SUPERVISORS, THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING.

AND THIS 194,000, THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR, FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND IT JUST FOR WHATEVER REASON, HASN'T, UH, BEEN FILLED.

SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MAYOR, ABOUT CHERRY PICKING THAT ONE.

I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, I, UM, THAT OUR CHIEF TALKED ABOUT ARE THE, ALL THE GAPS IN THE, UM, DISPATCHER.

SO I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO RE-ADD POSITIONS ON HERE BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE TO MAKE CUTS, BUT WE'VE ALSO ASKED YOU ALL TO REDUCE OVERTIME.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS WHERE SOME OF THESE CUTS, WHERE THERE'S IMPACTS TO SERVICES, WHERE THERE'S IMPACTS POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE ON OVERTIME.

SO DISPATCHER, FOR EXAMPLE, IF, IF IN HIRING THIS DISPATCHER THAT REDUCES OVERTIME, I AT LEAST WANT US TO SEE THAT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON THIS DAIS, AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER THAT'S WHERE, OKAY, LET'S FOCUS INSTEAD OF THE CUTS, UM, BECAUSE THAT'LL IMPACT OUR, UM, OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE OR THAT IMPACTS, UM, YOU KNOW, CUTTING A PROGRAM, UH, LIKE, UM, OR SOMETHING.

THEN I'D LIKE OUR, UM, WELL, OUR, OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES TO ALSO BE INVOLVED AND TELL OUR EXECUTIVES.

BUT I'D LIKE YOU GUYS TO TELL US THAT.

YES, I SEE A CHIEF.

SO JUST ONE QUICK THING ON DISPATCH, AND I'M GLAD RON'S HERE WITH ME.

UM, MY, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE BURNOUT ON WHAT WE'RE EXPOSING OUR PEOPLE TO.

BECAUSE, UH, WE, WE DO TALK ABOUT THE OVERTIME, AND I AGREE ABOUT THE OVERTIME, BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IN THE SALARY SAVINGS, THERE WAS $416,000 THAT WAS SAVED, AND THE OT BUDGET WAS 257,000 THAT HIT, IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE PUTTING $160,000 IN THE, UH, IN THE SURPLUS.

SO WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE PLUS.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT I'M SAYING? NO, BECAUSE WE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CHIEF.

OKAY, WE'RE AT 1.9, UM, IN OVERTIME TOTAL 1.7 THANK YOU.

IN OVERTIME TOTAL.

AND THAT'S JUST THE ACTUALS FROM NOW.

SO THAT'S NOT EVEN, I, I THINK 1.9 IS I UNDERSTAND, IS THE PROJECTED FOR FY 26.

SO YES, WE SHOULD INCLUDE, I I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS DEDUCT THE VACANCY SAVINGS IN A WAY WE CAN KIND OF DEDUCT THE VACANCY SAVINGS FROM THAT OVERTIME.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF GETTING AT? YEAH, I, I THINK WE'RE, WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER.

SO IT'S ON THE SALARY SAVINGS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $416,000 THAT WE'VE SAVED FROM NOT BEING FULLY STAFFED.

BUT MY BIGGER CONCERN IS THE BURNOUT.

PEOPLE ARE JUST GETTING TIRED OF WORKING ALL THIS OVERTIME.

IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE SEEKING THE OVERTIME, IT'S JUST THAT THEY ARE ESSENTIAL MEMBERS AND YOU KNOW, THERE IS SALARY SAVINGS IN THIS PROCESS, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT TO THE TUNE OF 160,000, BUT AT THE DETRIMENT OF OUR PEOPLE.

SO, AND THAT COMES IN THE FORM OF MORE LIKE THE HEALTH, THE STRESS, THE WHICH ISN'T NECESSARILY QUANTIFIED IN

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THE NUMBERS.

AND HAVE TO GET, GO THROUGH A CHECK, AND THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ACADEMY, AND THEN FINALLY THEY'RE ABLE TO BE RPD.

SO THAT'S WHERE I, I WOULD ADD LOSING THOSE EMPLOYEES, LOSING THOSE EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA FIND A BETTER PLACE THAT ISN'T GONNA TAX THEM AS TASK THEM AS MUCH.

AND THEN WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? YOU KNOW, WORSE POSITION.

EXACTLY.

SO THAT'S THE POINT IN WHERE, I MEAN, NOT JUST FOR, SO, SO THE, UM, THE REC CENTER, 'CAUSE THEN THE MOTION IS SPECIFIC AND, UM, AND I'M OPEN IF MAKER ON THE MOTION IS MAYBE OPEN TO AMENDING IT TO, UM, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

UM, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE, UH, DISPATCH.

BUT, UM, THAT'S WHY IF WE JUST MOVE FORWARD JUST CUTTING, THEN WE MIGHT BE MISSING OUT ON THIS BURNOUT THING.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, SO I I, I WANT THE CHIEF, I WANT ALL OF OUR DIRECTORS TO BRING BACK WHERE IT REALLY IS NEEDED, WHERE IT REALLY IS ESSENTIAL.

LIKE, SO THIS DISPATCH, FOR EXAMPLE, DOES SOUND ESSENTIAL.

SO I'M NOT SAYING LET'S TAKE ACTION RIGHT NOW, BUT GIVE US IN INFORMATION AND OPTIONS.

SO I THINK YOU GUYS DID A GOOD JOB ON THE REDUCTIONS UPFRONT, BUT THEN I DON'T, AGAIN, I JUST DON'T WANT TO HACK AWAY BECAUSE THIS COULD HAVE THAT LONG-TERM, UH, NEGATIVE IMPACT WHERE WE NOW ARE INCREASING OUR TURNOVER RATE.

SO I DON'T, SO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT JUST THAT EITHER.

LIKE I THINK TO YOUR POINT, SO COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCIL MEMBER, REALLY QUICK, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THESE ARE NOT CUTS.

WE'RE NOT CUTTING PEOPLE FROM OUR CITY, RIGHT? THESE ARE EMPTY POSITIONS THAT ARE OPEN AND WE ARE THEN BUDGETING THEM.

SO THEY'RE TAKING UP A SPACE WITHIN OUR BUDGET, $4 MILLION OF THE 16 YEARS IN THE NEXT TWO PROJECTED BUDGET YEARS.

SO THEY'RE NOT CUTTING POSITIONS THAT ARE HERE, RIGHT? THESE ARE VACANT POSITIONS WHICH WE ARE ACTIVELY RECRUITING FOR.

AND I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE POSITIONS ARE CRITICAL.

I DEFINITELY HEAR YOU ON THE DISPATCH.

IT IS A CRITICAL POSITION.

UM, UH, I MEAN, I MENTIONED THE REC CENTER SUPERVISOR, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO, TO, UM, LOOK AT IT IN THAT WAY AND, AND NOT THINK OF, OF CUTS AS IN PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE THAT WORK WITH US ON A REGULAR BASIS.

DEFINITELY NOT THE CASE COUNCIL MEMBER.

CAN I ADD ALSO, CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? SURE, PLEASE.

UM, AND I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO, TO POINT OUT AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE PROCESS AND THE IDEA AND THAT, YOU KNOW, HR IS HERE AND THEY COULD ATTEST TO THIS, AND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS HERE, THERE IS A, A LONG PROCESS WITH A POLICE OFFICER.

AND I, I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS IF, IF WE WERE TO SAY, WELL, WE ARE CURRENTLY 10 BODIES BELOW, WELL, IF WE, WE JUST STOP IT NOW, THERE IS A NATURAL ATTRITION THAT WE TYPICALLY HAVE, WHICH IS ROUGHLY ABOUT SEVEN BODIES MM-HMM .

AND IF YOU WERE TO SAY, OKAY, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PRETTY BAD RIGHT NOW, TURN IT ON, YOU GUYS ARE NOT GONNA SEE THE RESULTS FOR OVER A YEAR.

RIGHT? AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S THIS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SCRUTINY THAT COMES WITH, WELL, WHY ARE POLICE OFFICERS SO SCRUTINIZED? YOU GET A HUNDRED APPLICANTS AND YOU'RE ONLY PRODUCING TWO OR THREE.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT, AND I REALLY AM BECAUSE YOU GUYS ENTRUST US IN THIS COMMUNITY.

I DON'T WANT PEOPLE THAT HAVE ROUGH BACKGROUNDS, THAT HAVE FINANCIAL ISSUES THAT, THAT HAVE A AND, AND WE'RE MANDATED BY POST TO BRING CERTAIN PEOPLE HERE.

I I'M ALL ABOUT SECOND CHANCES IF IT'S WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT I CAN DO.

IF IT'S NOT, I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD EVER LOWER OUR STANDARDS IN ANY WAY.

NOW, I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I, I MENTIONED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S ABOUT A YEAR, AND WE'RE NOT GETTING ALL THE APPLICANTS IN THE WORLD.

TRUST ME, WE ARE SCRATCHING TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE, I'VE SENT AN EMAIL TO OUR CITY MANAGER THAT WE'RE LOSING THREE QUALITY PEOPLE, QUALITY QUALITY OFFICERS.

ONE IS GONNA GO UP TO ESCONDIDO, BE CLOSER TO HOME, ONE'S FROM SANTA ANA, AND THE THIRD ONE WANTS TO BE A HELICOPTER PILOT.

GOD BLESS HIS SOUL IF HE WANTS TO BE A HELICOPTER PILOT FOR THE SHERIFFS.

BUT WE ARE LOSING QUALITY.

THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR FIVE, SIX YEARS AND WE'RE GONNA BRING IN BRAND NEW PEOPLE.

IF WE WERE TO SHUT OUR OPERATION DOWN AND JUST FREEZE THOSE VACANT POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE, IT'S GONNA BE VERY DEVASTATING TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

SO, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, IT, IT, IT IS INTENDED TO BRING BACK INFORMATION, AT LEAST EMOTION ON FREEZING FULL-TIME POSITIONS FROM 26, 27, BUT, BUT HAVE IN MIND THE REPLACEMENT POSITIONS THAT HAVE TO BE OPEN.

SO THERE HAS TO BE AN OPEN POLICE POSITION PRETTY MUCH AT ALL TIMES BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTIVELY RECRUITING INDIVIDUALS, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BE HIRED

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SO IT IS A LONG PROCESS.

SO I AM NOT INCLUDING THAT WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR MOTION, EVEN ON THE INFORMATION.

UM, UH, AND, AND MAYBE HAVING MORE INFORMATION ON HAND WOULD ALLOW US AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE SPEAK WITH YOU ALL TO SEE WHAT THE PROCESS IS LIKE WITHIN YOUR DEPARTMENT.

I ASSUME FIRE IS SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR, RIGHT? UM, IT, IT IS A LONG PROCESS TO ONBOARD PEOPLE, AND IT IS, IT IS, IT TAKES A LONG TIME, EVEN OUTSIDE OF OUR OWN JURISDICTION TO GET PEOPLE READY TO COME.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IS JUST MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT, BUT I, BUT I HEAR YOU, I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.

UM, UH, AND IF ADDITIONAL REQUESTS WOULD BE MADE FOR ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, I, I WOULD LOVE FOR IT TO COME TO COUNCIL AND HAVE US DISCUSS IT.

UM, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THE CIRCUMSTANCE WE'RE IN, I THINK, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH, ARE CONSIDERATE.

UM, AND MAYBE THIS IS KIND OF MY FRUSTRATION BECAUSE ON ONE END, WE CAN'T GO ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND CRITICIZE HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO BE UNDER IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

AND THEN ON THE OTHER END SAY, WELL, WE STILL HAVE TO BRING ON, BRING PEOPLE ON HERE.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S A WISE DECISION.

I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE GOOD STAFF HERE.

I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER HERE, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO BE WISE ON HOW WE CONTINUE TO GROW THE ORGANIZATION MOVING FORWARD, REALIZING THAT, YES, UH, IT IS VERY STRESSFUL TO DEAL WITH MORE INDIVIDUALS COMING INTO OUR CITY.

IT'S VERY STRESSFUL TO DEAL WITH MORE ISSUES THAT CONTINUE TO HAPPEN IN OUR CITY, BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE CARE OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE, THAT ARE HERE.

SO I, SO I AM FRUSTRATED AT THE CONVERSATION.

WE CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, RIGHT? WE CAN'T SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HA WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULT TIMES IN THE NEXT YEAR AND TWO YEARS, AND AT THE SAME TIME SAY, WE STILL NEED TO BRING PEOPLE ON BOARD.

I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY WISE ABOUT THAT DECISION, AND WE HAVE TO DEPOLITICIZE IT AND TRY TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD.

SO I WOULD JUST LOVE THE INFORMATION TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE YES.

MOTION.

SO, SO I UNDERSTAND NOW THE MOTION IS TO BRING BACK INFORMATION AND I AM COMPLETELY OPEN TO MORE INFORMATION.

UH, YES, INFORMATION IS CRITICAL.

UH, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THE, WHERE THE BUDGET, WHAT BUDGET ARE WE GONNA SEE JUNE 2ND ? UH, CAN WE ADD TO THE MOTION, PERHAPS MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED BY OUR STAFF TODAY? I, I THINK, I THINK WHEN WE HAVE, UM, $4 MILLION IN NEW OPEN POSITIONS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS WE'RE READY TO MAKE DECISIONS.

SO I WOULDN'T WANT SOMETHING BAKED BEFORE WE ACTUALLY DISCUSS IT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE SOLUTION WE NEED TO CONSIDER.

AND, AND I THINK I DID AMEND THE MOTION EARLIER TO BRING IT BACK JUST AS AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM, NOT A DECISION TODAY.

SO, SO, AND THESE ARE FOR FULL-TIME POSITIONS THAT I MENTIONED? YEAH.

SO, SO I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION NOW.

YEAH, BUT I'M STILL NOT CLEAR WHAT WE'RE GONNA SEE JUNE 2ND, I DON'T THINK, PAUL, ARE YOU CLEAR? I'M NOT CLEAR EITHER.

, HERE'S, I BELIEVE IF I COULD, IF YOU NEED A POSITION, OKAY.

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.

NOT EVERYONE AT ONE TIME TODAY.

WHAT I, WHAT I AM ASKING FOR IS INFORMATION, OKAY? AGAIN, ABOUT THESE POSITIONS.

IF COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE SO DEEPLY CONCERNED TO DISCUSS IT WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS OF THESE FULL-TIME POSITIONS, THEN WE CAN MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE NEXT MEETING.

BUT, BUT LOOK, I MEAN, THESE ARE EMPTY POSITIONS OF THE CITY.

THEY'RE NOT BEING FILLED.

THEY ARE TAKING UP A GAP IN OUR BUDGET, AND THEN WE'RE KICKING AND SCREAMING, SAYING WE HAVE A BUDGET DEFICIT, GUYS, WE CAN'T BRING PEOPLE, WE CAN'T BRING ADDITIONAL PEOPLE WHEN WE'RE FACING A BUDGET DEFICIT.

AND IF WE ARE, WE HAVE TO BE VERY STRATEGIC ON HOW WE DO IT.

AND SO THAT'S ALL I'M, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING, RIGHT? OKAY.

SO, AND I, AND I'M TODAY AND NEXT WE WILL HAVE, IT'S OKAY WITH BRINGING BACK INFORMATION.

OKAY? NEXT WEEK WE'LL HAVE OTHER UNFILLED POSITIONS, SOMEBODY LEAVES.

THEN WHAT DO YOU DO THEN WITH THAT? SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO STAFF WHETHER IF WE, WE DON'T HAVE AN AUTOMATIC HIRING, BUT THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH PERSON, EACH HIRING THAT WE DO HAS TO GO THROUGH, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS HAS TO GO THROUGH, THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER TO GET A, GET A CLARIFICATION.

SO YOU JUST CAN'T HIRE SOMEONE BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN OPENING, BUT THAT YOU HAVE TO JUSTIFY THE NEED FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL.

AND SO THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE POSITIONS OPENING UP ALL DURING, DURING THE YEAR THROUGH THE CHAIR.

SO ONE SECOND WHEN I'M DONE.

THAT WE START CHERRY PICKING, THEN, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE GOTTA GET REAL PROBLEMS THROUGH THE CHAIR.

UH, AND, UH, SO IN, AND IN THE SAME WAY THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, IN THIS CASE, WE'VE HAD A, A PROPOSAL FROM STAFF AND THEY'VE SAID, HERE'S PEOPLE THAT WE CAN, WE CAN FREEZE FOR THIS YEAR.

OKAY, THEN, THEN WHAT ARE WE DOING IN SAYING, NO, YOU, YEAH, WE, WE WANNA PULL THOSE PEOPLE.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT IS THE DECISION THAT THE DEPARTMENT MADE SAYING THAT THEY CAN DO WITHOUT THAT POSITION JUST FOR THIS NEXT YEAR, IT STILL STAYS ON THE BOOKS, BUT IT'S JUST NOT NEEDED FOR THIS, THIS YEAR NOT BE CONSIDERED.

THAT'S ALL.

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THANK YOU FOR, UM, THOSE COMMENTS.

BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT WEEK.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US THAT SAYS, OKAY, ACCORDING TO PAGE 17 OF THIS, UH, PART, ONE OF THE, UH, WORK STUDY OR A BUDGET STUDY, WE HAVE THIS NUMBER AND WE HAVE THIS ANNUAL ESTIMATED ANNUAL COST.

WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS YOU, I MEAN, JUST HOLD OFF TO THOSE RIGHT NOW AND THEN IF THE DIRECTORS WILL, WILL, UH, WILL DO AN ANALYSIS AND SAY, WE NEED COPS RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT SAYING, BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAID IS WE MAY HAVE, WE MAY LOSE THREE MORE TODAY.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT TODAY WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US.

IT SAYS HERE WE HAVE 29 OPEN POSITIONS THAT ARE NOT FILLED.

WE'RE NOT CUTTING PEOPLE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT 29 POSITIONS THAT ARE NOT FILLED.

AND THAT'S COSTING US 3.8 THAT IS INFRINGING OUR, OUR, UH, BUDGET RIGHT NOW.

SO WE JUST NEED TO REVISIT THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THROUGH THE CITY MANAGERS.

UM, YOU, I, IN, UM, CONVERSATION WITH HIS DIRECTORS AND, AND THEN AT LEAST WHEN THEY SAID, WHEN CITY MANAGER SAID, WE NEED THIS RIGHT NOW, WE, WE APPROVE BUDGETS ANYWAY, SO THAT WILL COME BACK TO US AND YOU KNOWIN WE WILL, WE WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION HERE ON THE DICE RIGHT NOW.

LET US, NOT YOU KNOWIN COMPLICATE THE MATTER.

THE MATTER RIGHT NOW BEFORE US IS WE HAVE 29 OPEN POSITIONS THAT WAS REPORTED TO US THAT IS CARRYING A $3.80, UM, VALUE.

WE CAN FREEZE THAT RIGHT NOW TO UNLOAD IT FROM OUR GENERAL FUND, JUST IN THE INTERIM, MR. MAYOR, IN ORDER FOR US TO AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UM, HELP THAT BUDGET THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO AT LEAST MITIGATE.

OKAY, WELL, BUT AS YOU SEE, IF YOU LOOK ON THAT, IT IS VACANCY SNAPSHOT.

SO IT WAS WHAT, AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME WHEN THAT REPORT WAS MADE.

SURE IT'S NOT TODAY AND IT'S NOT TOMORROW.

IT'S A SNAPSHOT.

SO, AND IN THE SAME WAY, WHAT WE'RE SAYING, WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS, IS SOMETHING TO GET PAST THE STATE REQUIREMENT.

I WOULD, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS US TAKE A LOOK ON ANY FUTURE HIRING DURING THIS, THIS YEAR THAT WE HAVE.

SO THAT STAFF HAS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF NOT JUST GOING TO HR AND SAY, HEY, I'VE GOT THIS VACANCY, I NEED FOR YOU TO GO THROUGH THE HIRING.

BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO JUSTIFY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER THEN TO GET APPROVAL.

AND IT HAS TO BE A JUSTIFICATION ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.

THAT IS LITERALLY THE MOTION.

BUT, OKAY, BUT, BUT, BUT THIS, THE MOTION WAS TO BRING BACK INFORMATION, RIGHT, BECAUSE I AMENDED IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANNA MAKE A DECISION TODAY.

BRING BACK INFORMATION ON HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE, UH, QUOTE UNQUOTE SAVED OR OFF THE, UH, BUDGET DEFICIT, PROJECTED BUDGET DEFICIT FOR, UM, ALL NEW FULL-TIME POSITIONS HIRING FREEZE FROM 26 27, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF HAVING A REPLACEMENT POSITIONS THROUGH ATTRITION STILL BE LEFT OPEN.

AND I AM OPEN TO DISCUSSING IT WITH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND, AND IF MY COLLEAGUE'S WELCOME TO DO THAT AS WELL.

UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE, I THINK AS MENTIONED, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REQUESTS TO BE MADE TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL, UM, SO THAT WE COULD DISCUSS IT AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE, UM, UH, CRITICAL.

AND THE ONLY EXCEPTION WAS THE ONE REC CENTER POSITION BECAUSE WE'VE REQUESTED IT FOR TWO YEARS AND, AND WE'VE REQUESTED A LOT OF AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMMING.

WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE A ROBUST PROGRAM.

IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE THE POSITION HAS BEEN TWO POSITIONS HAVE BEEN OPEN.

AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT MAKING A DECISION TODAY.

IT'S ALLOWING WIGGLE ROOM FOR MANY THINGS TO STILL DISCUSS, TO TALK TO OUR DEPARTMENTS.

BUT ULTIMATELY WE WERE PRESENTED A BUDGET AND IT'S NOT BALANCED.

AND WE HAVE TO START DISCUSSING SOME OF THESE DECISIONS.

AND, AND I THINK, AT LEAST FOR ME, I'M THINKING OF TAKING CARE OF EVERYBODY HERE.

AND THAT'S IMPORTANT, RIGHT? SO THAT'S A MOTION.

I, I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION AND I, I THINK I'LL, I, I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION AND I THINK I'LL, UH, SUPPORT A MAYOR, BUT I SEE OUR CITY MANAGER HAD SOME INPUT IF, IF WE CAN HEAR HIM.

COME BACK TO YOU WITH A PROPOSAL TO, TO REDUCE THE IMPACT TO THE GENERAL FUND BY $3 MILLION.

I, I, I, I, I REALLY, I'M GONNA DO MY BEST TO KIND OF GET HIS FOCUS BACK ON, ON PROCESS.

WE HAD A BUDGET WORKSHOP TWO WEEKS AGO.

WE PRESENTED A SNAPSHOT OF 29 VACANCIES.

WE RECEIVED ZERO COMMENTS ON THOSE VACANCIES.

WE, WE TOLD THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC THAT AS PART OF, UH, AS NEXT STEPS THAT WE WOULD WORK AS A DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT THOSE VACANCIES IN ADDITION TO OUR M AND O BUDGETS AND, AND STRATEGICALLY

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WE DID THAT.

NOW WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE WANT YOU TO RERUN NUMBERS ON VACANCIES, WHICH WE ALREADY PRESENTED TWO WEEKS AGO.

WE'VE RECEIVED NO COMMENTS ON THOSE POSITIONS.

YOU WANT US TO THEN MEET AS DEPARTMENTS AGAIN AND REANALYZE HYPOTHETICALS ON, WELL NOW LET'S THINK ABOUT FREEZING A LIEUTENANT OR AN OFFICER AND GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE GONNA BE.

I AM TRYING TO KEEP US ON SCHEDULE HERE.

OUR BUDGET MANAGER CANNOT COME BACK TO YOU WITH A PROPOSED BUDGET ON JUNE 2ND IF WE DON'T GET DIRECTION ON STAFF'S BUDGET PROPOSAL.

WHAT MY HOPE TONIGHT WAS, IS THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME COMMENTS AND REFINEMENTS, AND I'M OPEN FOR THAT IF I HEAR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UM, I, IN GENERAL, I SUPPORT THE STAFF'S BUDGET PROPOSAL.

'CAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO PRESENT A PROPOSED BUDGET AT THE NEXT MEETING THAT CLOSES THE DEFICIT.

BUT INSTEAD OF FILL, INSTEAD OF FREEZING TWO REC CENTER POSITIONS, WHAT I HEARD, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER WAS MAYBE WE JUST FREEZE ONE, THESE ARE THINGS WE CAN WORK WITH, BUT IF WE DON'T GET DIRECTION TONIGHT, WE WILL NOT BE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH A PROPOSED BUDGET ON JUNE 2ND.

IT WILL BASICALLY BE ANOTHER WORKSHOP.

AND I'M REALLY GETTING NERVOUS ABOUT MM-HMM .

THIS COUNCIL'S ABILITY TO MEET THE JUNE 30TH DEADLINE.

SO I'M JUST GONNA LEAVE IT AT THAT.

I UNDERSTAND.

WE, YOU HAVE A SLIDE THAT SHOWS $3.8 MILLION IN VACANT, IN, IN SAVINGS.

IF WE FROZE ALL OF THOSE POSITIONS, WHAT YOU, YOU HEARD FROM OUR DEPARTMENTS AND SPECIFICALLY OUR POLICE CHIEF, HE JUST TOLD YOU WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE IF WE WERE TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH A PROPOSED BUDGET THAT FREEZES ALL OF HIS POSITIONS.

AND I'VE MENTIONED TWICE NOW THAT THESE ARE GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE TO THIS COMMUNITY.

SO I ASK YOU TO KEEP US FOCUSED ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR PROPOSED BUDGET REDUCTIONS, AND LET'S FOCUS ON THAT.

WE CAN COME BACK, UH, FINANCE CAN PROVIDE AN UPDATED VACANCY REPORT ON JUNE 2ND.

NO PROBLEM.

WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE, BUT WE NEED DIRECTION ON THE STAFF PROPOSAL TONIGHT SO PAUL CAN WORK ON A PROPOSED BUDGET.

THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT, UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS.

AND SO IF I, IF I MAY, SO I THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOU.

I HEAR YOUR FRUSTRATION.

WE ARE ALL FRUSTRATED.

WE HAVE A BUDGET DEFICIT.

SO I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

AND SO THANK YOU FOR BEING VERY DIRECT.

NOW HERE'S THE THING.

I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYONE, WE COUNCIL HAVE ULTIMATE DECISION AND ULTIMATE AUTHORITY.

UH, MAYOR, YOU CHARACTERIZE IT AS CHERRY PICKING.

THAT'S FINE.

I DISAGREE WITH THAT CHARACTERIZATION, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

IT'S OUR JOB TO CHERRY PICK THINGS.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE CHOOSE TO CHERRY PICK A DISPATCH, I THINK WE SHOULD CHERRY PICK A DISPATCH, FOR EXAMPLE.

AND I'M NOT MAKING A COMMITMENT TO THAT CHIEF.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT I WANT TO BE, I'M TRYING TO BE AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE TO YOU CITY MANAGER TO GIVE YOU DIRECTION.

WHAT I WANT IS I WANT INFORMATION LIKE THAT, WHICH COULD COME IN THE FORM OF THESE BRIEFINGS IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.

BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE AND IT'S WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY TO CHERRY PICK OR TO PICK, UM, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE RE RE REDUCING BECAUSE THESE 29 VACANCIES CARRYING OVER, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE SAYING LET'S NOT TOUCH IT.

IT'S NOT ONE OR THE OTHER.

WE'RE SAYING WHERE CAN WE BE MORE REFINED AND WHERE CAN WE BE MORE STRATEGIC WITH SOME OF THESE, ONE OF THE EXAMPLES BEING THE TWO FTE, UH, SUPERVISORS.

ANOTHER THAT I MENTIONED BEING DISPATCH.

SO, SO IN THE MOTION, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED MORE, UH, CLARIFICATION, BUT HOW I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION IS THAT IF THERE ARE, I IS ITEMS LIKE THIS FTE, WHICH I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE SUPERVISORS 'CAUSE WE ALREADY, UM, SAID THAT THIS ISN'T PART OF THE MOTION.

BUT I HAVE A CONCERN WITH DISPATCH.

I HAVE CONCERNS IF THERE'S, IF SO I'M FINE LEAVING THE REDUCTIONS AS IS.

SO LEAVE THE REDUCTIONS AS IS IN OUR NEXT BUDGET, LIKE FOR ME.

UM, AND I THINK THE MOTION IS REFLECT REFLECTING THAT.

BUT IN THE UNTIL, UH, BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT BUDGET, UH, THE JUNE, UM, SECOND MEETING, IF WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS ON, OKAY, WELL, WHERE IS, IF WE'RE, UM, FREEZING, UH, A DISPATCH, IS THAT GOING TO HAVE AN OVERTIME IMPACT OR SOME OTHER NEGATIVE, UM, UH, IMPACT ON SER ON ON SERVICE.

LIKE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT.

DOES, IS THAT HELPFUL PUSHBACK ON

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ME? I'M NO, I, I AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S REALLY WHAT I, WHAT I, UM, AGREED TO WAS GIVING THE TIME CONSTRAINTS WE'RE ALL UP AGAINST IS UTILIZING THESE BRIEFINGS.

SO WHAT I ENVISION IS YOU'LL HAVE EVERY DIRECTOR AND THEIR AND THEIR STAFF AVAILABLE IN THE LARGE CONFERENCE ROOM FOR YOUR ONE-ON-ONE BRIEFINGS, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, SUFFICIENT DETAIL ON, ON BUDGET TO TO, TO REALLY DIVE INTO SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS SO THAT WHEN WE COME BACK ON THE SECOND, UM, HOPEFULLY WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO VET A LOT OF YOUR, YOUR QUESTIONS AND YES.

AND HAVE THESE ANSWERS.

IF WE HAD MORE TIME, IT WOULD BE IDEAL TO HAVE ANOTHER B BUDGET WORKSHOP, BUT WE'RE JUST RUNNING OUTTA TIME.

SURE.

AND I THINK KINDA LIKE BEAT THIS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER IMANI SAID EARLIER, SO THIS IS AN ACT OF PROCESS.

LIKE THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT.

SO AS LONG, I'M NOT GONNA SAY AS LONG AS WE PROPOSE SOMETHING, LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO PUT A JUNK JUNK TOGETHER AND WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.

BUT IF WE, AND AND HONESTLY WE DID THAT LAST YEAR, SO I DON'T WANNA REPEAT LAST YEAR.

'CAUSE I DO THINK WE WERE TO, UH, MR. NIETOS POINT, I THINK WE'RE TOO LAX ON APPROVING IT LAST YEAR.

SO I THINK WE'RE BEING MORE REFINED, UH, THIS YEAR.

AND, UM, YEAH.

SO, SO, SO I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE THERE.

UM, AND I HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE MAKER ON THE MOTION TO RESTATE AND JUST GO BACK TO THAT.

BUT BEFORE WE DO PART OF THIS, LIKE ON THE PERSONNEL, 'CAUSE WE'RE, THAT'S THE BIGGEST COST.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE CREATIVE IN HOW WE ADDRESS PERSONNEL WITH LIMITED AS POSSIBLE IMPACT ON, ON SERVICES OR, YOU KNOW, OVERTIME OR THESE OTHER ISSUES.

UM, SO HAS STAFF LOOKED AT A FREEZE ON INCREASES ON EXECUTIVE AND MANAGERS OR EARLY RETIREMENT SLASH GOLDEN HANDSHAKE? THESE ARE THINGS THAT, UM, I'VE BROUGHT UP TO STAFF BUT HAVE, THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THIS TOO.

SO WE COULD HIRE NEW, SOME OF THESE NEW POSITIONS AND THEN WE COULD EITHER FREEZE, UM, AS, AS INFORMATION WE COULD FREEZE EXECUTIVE AND, UM, MANAGER INCREASES FOR NEXT YEAR.

OR WE COULD DO GOLDEN HANDSHAKE EARLY RETIREMENTS TO OFFSET SOME OF THE NEW HIRING FOR STRATEGIC POSITIONS.

HAVE WE LOOKED AT THAT AS STAFF EVALUATED THAT COUNCIL MEMBER? IS IT POSSIBLE TO VOTE ON THE MOTION AND THEN, AND THEN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION? IS THAT OKAY? YES, SIR.

WE DON'T, YES, I A OKAY, I APOLOGIZE.

IS THAT OKAY? CAN YOU RESTATE THE MOTION? YEAH, YEAH.

WE, WE, FOR THE THIRD TIME YOU REPEAT THE MOTION.

SO, SO YOU'RE ACTING CITY MAG, UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION, I, YOU ALL HAVE WORKED TOGETHER ON THIS VERY HARD AND WE STILL HAVE A ANTICIPATED BUDGET DEFICIT, RIGHT? SO, SO WE NEED TO DO MORE AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S IN THE SPIRIT OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WORKS FOR THE LONG RUN.

SO, SO I ASKED FOR INFORMATION BACK TO, TO HEAR OUT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES, UH, IF, IF WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY, I'M OPEN TO MAKING A DECISION TODAY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE WISER TO GIVE US A LITTLE MORE TIME TO SPEAK WITH OUR INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS AND SEE WHAT IT IS THAT WE PRIORITIZE.

BUT, BUT SO, UM, SO WITH THAT, THE MOTION IS, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, LIKE TO BRING BACK INFORMATION, IF THAT'S OKAY.

INFORMATION ON, UM, UH, HOW MUCH WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY SAVE FROM OUR UNASSIGNED GENERAL FUND BALANCE FOR FREEZING NEW FULL-TIME POSITIONS.

AND, UH, FROM, UH, FY 26 27, UM, UH, IF A REQUEST WOULD NEED TO BE MADE, IT WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNSEL.

UM, NOT COUNTING, UH, HAVING A REPLACEMENT POSITIONS THROUGH ATTRITION, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WE DO IN EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT.

I UNDERSTAND.

UM, AND THE ONLY EXCEPTION WAS THE ONE REC CENTER SUPERVISOR POSITION, WHICH WE'VE REQUESTED FOR TWO YEARS.

THAT'S THE MOTION.

IS THAT CLEAR? I THINK IT IS NOW, AND I WILL SPEAK AGAINST IT.

I CAN HANDLE MOST OF THE STUFF BY GETTING INFORMATION BACK.

BUT WE'VE GOT A DEPARTMENT THAT HAS COME BACK AND SAID, HERE'S WHERE WE CAN MAKE CUTS.

AND THEN YOU JUST SAID, NO, LET'S TAKE PART OF THAT CUT BACK.

BUT WE STILL HAVE AN ANTICIPATED BUDGET DEFICIT.

SO WE NEED, DO WE, WE ALL DO A LITTLE MORE.

WHAT OUR DEAL IS RIGHT NOW HERE IS TO BE ABLE TO GET A BALANCED BUDGET SO THAT WE CAN FIT IT TO THE STATE.

WE, WHAT, WHAT STAFF HAS DONE, HAS DONE THAT.

AND NOW YOU WANT TO CHERRY PICK ONE PIECE OUT OF IT THAT I DISAGREE WITH.

SO YOU JUST SAID YOURSELF, IT'S NOT BALANCED.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ASKING INFORMATION TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO OUR NEXT COUNSEL EXCEPT, YEAH, EXCEPT YOU THREW ONE EXTRA THING IN THERE AND THAT PART I GOTTA DISAGREE WITH.

I'M FINE WITH THAT.

I WAS GOING TO ASK THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, AMEND IT TO ALSO INCLUDE THE DISPATCH, BUT LET ME NOT COMPLICATE AND JUST SAY, I'LL JUST SUPPORT THE, I'LL JUST SUPPORT THEM ADDING ONTO THE BUDGET OKAY.

TO BE POLICE.

I, I, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

OH, WE, WE, WE UNDERSTAND, MA'AM, IF YOU COULD FILL OUT THE SPEAKER SLIPPER TO THE CHAIR, BUT WE JUST DON'T WANNA HAVE CHAOS AND, YOU KNOW, BUT THANK YOU.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE A, UH, MOTION.

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MOTION PASSES BY FOUR TO ONE VOTE WITH MAYOR MORRISON.

VOTING, NO.

MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS PRESENTED TONIGHT FOR A PRELIMINARY BUDGET PRESENTED TO US ON JUNE 2ND, SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH ON JUNE 2ND.

AND NOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO RECEIVE THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED PER THE PREVIOUS, WE CAN WORK WITH THAT INFORMATION AS WELL AS THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET BEFORE US.

AND THEN WE, WE HAVE SOMETHING, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH ALONG WITH MORE INFORMATION AND THEN IT IS CONCRETE THAT WAY.

THAT'S MY MOTION.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WOULD'VE, THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.

WE NEED THAT IN THE FORM OF MOTION.

SO THAT WILL GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY THEN, AND STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY.

I DID FOR ONE THING, TO MEET WITH, WITH THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.

UH, HOPEFULLY BY THAT TIME AS SAY WE GOT AN EXTRA HOLIDAY IN HERE'S, 'CAUSE TIME'S GONNA BE FINISHED, COMPACTED, BUT AS, UH, TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE.

I'M JUST SAYING, BEING REALISTIC.

AND SO THAT HOPEFULLY THEN FOR THE, THE SECOND WE CAN HAVE THIS TYPE DOCUMENT.

AND, AND, BUT WITH UPDATED NUMBERS, UH, BROUGHT, BROUGHT INTO IT.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE ALL LOOKING? AND I HAVE SOME, THIS ISN'T DONE YET.

I STILL HAVE SOME MORE THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.

THIS IS A WORKSHOP, GUYS.

WE DON'T NEED TO RUSH THIS.

LIKE, I KNOW EVERYONE WANTS TO GET OUTTA HERE, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT.

SO YOU GUYS, IT FRUSTRATES ME 'CAUSE Y'ALL WANNA RUSH THINGS AND THEN WE DON'T GET THE INFORMATION AND WE DON'T HAVE THE THOROUGH DISCUSSION.

SO, OKAY.

I SAW MORE TO TALK ABOUT, BUT YES.

I, I, I KNOW, BUT WE HAD A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST, OKAY.

IT JUST SOUNDED LIKE YOU WERE ABOUT TO CLOSE OUT.

SO I JUST WANTED NO, NO, NO.

MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.

I APOLOGIZE.

I'M JUST SAYING.

BUT THE MOTION, THE FLOOR WILL ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.

SO WITH THAT, WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND.

AND PLEASE VOTE.

THIS GOES WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS BRINGING THOSE BACK AND UPDATING THE BOOK AND ALSO MEETING WITH EVERYBODY.

SOME KIND OF A PAYMENT PLAN.

YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? SOMEONE ELSE WANNA GO? HUH? HEIDI? LOOKS LIKE SHE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GO TO THE RESTROOM.

UH, YOU WANNA TAKE A BREAK? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE DID SAY IN THE MEETING, WE GO TO FIVE 30.

WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO IT.

SO MAYBE IF, IF EVERYONE WANTS TO DO A, A QUICK ONE.

AND SO I WILL BE CALLING EVERYONE BACK UP HERE.

SO THAT'LL BE ROAMING OUT TOO FAR.

UM, LIKE TO, UH, CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER WITH SILENT ROLL CALL.

ALL MEMBERS PRESENT AT THE DAAS NOW THAT WE'RE STILL IN DISCUSSION.

AND, UH, MEMBER BUSH, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YES.

BEFORE I GET TO REVENUE, 'CAUSE WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT CUTS.

UM, CAN WE, LET ME ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THIS.

SO I WOULD LIKE US TO, OH, ACTUALLY, LEMME GO BACK.

I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT DEBT MANAGEMENT AND OUR, UM, YOU'RE OFF THE HOOK.

THAT'S NOT ME.

OH, I KNOW, RIGHT? I KNOW, BUT YOU TALKED TO ME RIGHT NOW, SO NOW I'M SCARED TO ASK FOR ANYTHING.

OH, SORRY.

UM, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU.

UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE PENSION OBLIGATION FUND, UAL AND LIABILITY AND KIND, WORKER COMP AND JUST OVERALL MM-HMM .

UM, MY UNDERSTANDING OF DEBT MANAGEMENT MM-HMM .

SO I'M NOT TRYING TO SKIRT OUR DEBTS, BUT THERE'S CERTAIN DEBTS IF LIKE PAYMENT PLANS WE CAN, UM, LIKE MAYBE WE MAKE UP.

SO, UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT ACCOUNTING, SO I'M TRYING TO, IF YOU GUYS CAN HELP FILL OUT THE GAP HERE.

UM, SO I, I THINK THERE ARE WAYS THAT, UH, WITH DEBT MANAGEMENT, UM, WHERE LIKE SOME PAYMENTS, LIKE MAYBE WE LUMP SOME, UM, IF, IF A PENSION PAYMENT IS DUE, MAYBE WE CAN LUMP SUM LIKE A THREE MONTH PAYMENT.

BUT THEN ASK THE PENSION BOARD THE STATE PENSION BOARD FOR A SIX MONTH GREAT GRACE PERIOD WHERE WE DON'T PAY AND GIVE US TIME TO WORK OUR BUDGET AND REVENUES AND THEN MAKE ANOTHER PAYMENT.

ARE THERE THINGS, IS THAT APPROPRIATE? LIKE ARE THERE THINGS LIKE THAT WE CAN DO THAT COULD RESULT IN SAVINGS OR REDUCTIONS IN OUR INSURANCE PREMIUM? REFINANCE? I'M, I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH CREATIVE THINGS.

SO, UH, SUPERVISOR BUSH, UH, ON THAT OR SUPERVISOR? COUNCIL MEMBER.

COUNCIL MEMBER.

I'M IN THE WRONG.

GEEZ, I WENT BACK.

YOU'RE NOT AT THE COUNTY ANYMORE.

YEAH, BUT SUPERVISORS ARE DOING THE SAME THING OVER THERE.

NO, NO.

UM, SO COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH AS IT RELATES, WE'LL TALK JUST ABOUT THAT.

UM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INSURANCE PREMIUMS RIGHT NOW? I DID.

I THINK SO.

SIGNAL FOR THE INFORMATION, THAT'S THE BACKGROUND ON THAT, THAT IS NOT GONNA BE SUBJECT TO

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PENSION DEBTS.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S I, AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN PENSION OBLIGATIONS.

UH, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S PAYMENT PLANS ALLOWABLE FOR THAT SPECIFIC PART.

SO LIKE ON OUR PENSION OBLIGATIONS, WE WOULDN'T GET A, AN EXTENDED PAYMENT PLAN.

THERE MAY BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES ELSEWHERE TO RESTRUCTURE DEBT.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO PARTS THAT ARE PENSION RELATED.

THERE'S THE UNFUNDED PENSION LIABILITY, A PORTION OF WHICH WAS REFINANCED IN 2021.

THAT IS THE PENSION OBLIGATION BOND.

AND, AND THAT I WILL SAY, AND JUST TO SAVE YOU SOME TIME, I DON'T NEED THE FULL DETAILS RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER IF WE CAN HAVE A BRIEFING ON THAT SECTION TOO, BECAUSE I REALLY, I, THERE'S A BIG GAP IN UNDERSTANDING ON MY PART.

SO IF WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT CONTINUE.

SO, SO, UH, THE PENSION OBLIGATION BOND PAYMENTS, THOSE ARE A, UH, SET DEBT SERVICE SCHEDULE.

SO WHEN WE REFINANCE THAT PORTION OF THE UNFUNDED PENSION, THEY TELL US YOU'RE PAYING THIS MUCH EACH.

I, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK IN, IN 2030 SOMETHING OR 2040 SOMETHING.

UH, THE REMAINING UNFUNDED PENSION LIABILITY IS PAID IN A LUMP SUM AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH FISCAL YEAR.

UH, BECAUSE WE GET A DISCOUNT FOR ACTUALLY DOING THAT.

IF THERE ARE OTHER MECHANISMS THAT WE COULD TAKE THAT WOULD SAVE MORE MONEY, I, I AM NOT AWARE OF.

SO WE'RE ACTUALLY KIND OF ALREADY DOING THAT THEN I BELIEVE WE ARE TAKING THE BEST APPROACH AS FAR AS ANY MONEY SAVING FROM, UH, PAYING OUR PENSION OBLIGATIONS.

THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR, I HAD SOME OTHER THINGS AND NOW I'M ALL MIXED UP ON MY NOTES, BUT THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT.

MY QUESTION WAS DEBT MANAGEMENT, BUT I HAVE SOME OTHER ITEMS. LET ME FIND IT IN MY NOTES.

THAT'S EVERYTHING YOU GOT.

NO.

THAT WAS COMING BACK FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF.

ANYTHING ELSE? MOUTHFUL.

, YOU GOOD? YES.

UM, I, I HAD STARTED TO LOOK THIS, LOOK AT, UH, OR SAY THIS, BUT, UM, SO THE CITY MANAGER HAVE WE LOOKED AT, UM, UH, OF FREEZES ON MANAGEMENT AND EXECUTIVE INCREASES GOLDEN HANDS SHAKE SLASH EARLY RETIREMENTS.

SO HAVE WE EVALUATED THAT FROM A NUMBER STANDPOINT? NOT AT THIS TIME.

OUR, OUR PLAN WAS TO LOOK AT CLOSING THE $3 MILLION ADDITIONAL DEFICIT, UM, BY MINIMIZING IMPACTS TO OPERATIONS, UM, AND SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY.

UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DISCUSSED AS A TEAM, WHAT ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE WANT TO, TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH, WE VIEW THAT MORE AS A PROCESS THAT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WORKED THROUGH, UM, MOVING FORWARD.

AGAIN, I I, I, UH, WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THAT FOR FY 27 BUDGET.

WE HAVE NOT RUN NUMBERS ON THAT.

SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN WHAT MY COLLEAGUES THINK ABOUT EXPLORING THAT.

SO AGAIN, I'M JUST ASKING FOR INFORMATION, UM, NOT DIRECTION ON WHAT THAT WOULD BE OR RESHUFFLING THINGS TO WHERE, SO INSTEAD OF, UM, BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE CAN'T TOUCH THE AGREEMENTS, THE LEGAL QUESTION, WE CANNOT TOUCH ANY OF THE AGREEMENTS.

ANY OF THE BARGAINING, THE YEAH.

IN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH, YOU WOULD'VE TO GO BACK AND IT WOULD BE A REOPENER AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY RENEGOTIATE.

RIGHT NOW THOSE CONTRACTS ARE, AS THEY ARE, THERE WILL BE MEET AND CONFERS ON VARIOUS ISSUES.

BUT AS FAR AS REOPENING THE CONTRACT, IF YOU REOPEN IT, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T JUST REOPEN THE CONTRACTS.

NOW THEY ARE SET.

THEY'RE THE THREE YEARS.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE.

SO MEET, SO THOSE OBLIGATIONS WOULD BE THERE.

GOT IT.

HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT MEET AND CONFERRING OR HAVE WE, HAVE WE EXPLORED ANY ISSUES? AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT MAYBE OVERTIME ACCOUNTS TOO.

SO, UH, HAVE WE, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE AS BROAD AND CREATIVE AS POSSIBLE.

I'M TRYING TO PUT ALL THE ITEMS ON THE TABLE SO THAT WE CAN SOFTEN SOME OF THE CUTS.

SO, UH, HAVE, UM, ARE THERE AREAS TO EXPLORE, HAVE, OR HAVE YOU EXPLORED, UM, WITH OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM MEET AND CONFER ON POTENTIAL SAVINGS? SO THE WORD, WHEN I'M REFERRING TO MEETING AND CONFERRING, I, I CAN GIVE AN EXAMPLE.

IF AN ISSUE COMES UP THAT AFFECTS, UM, WAGES AND HOURS, LIKE THERE'S AN, AN ISSUE AT ONE OF OUR CENTERS AND WORKERS MAY HAVE TO, UH, WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE OR DO SOMETHING, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO MEET AND CONFER ON THOSE

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ISSUES.

AND IF WE MAKE CHANGES THAT ARE LONG TERM, UM, TO POSITIONS, INCLUDING ELIMINATING POSITIONS, CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU HAVE TO MEET AND CONFER WITH YOUR UNIONS.

SO IT'S NOT MEANING AND CONFERRING LIKE BARGAINING WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BARGAINING PROCESS.

SO WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, THAT'S DIFFERENT.

THIS MEET AND CONFER WOULD BE, UM, NOT TO MEET AND CONFER ON SALARIES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

IT'S MORE ISSUES THAT COME UP THAT AFFECT THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT FOR OUR UNION MEMBERS.

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU MEET AND CONFER ON.

IF WE RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN'T JUST UNDO.

WHICH I'M NOT TRYING TO DO.

AND YOU'RE NOT TRYING, I GET THAT.

YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO BEING TRANSPARENT.

I'M NOT TRYING TO DO THAT.

I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT ANY CREATIVE THINGS WE CAN DO TO IF, IF THERE'S THINGS IN OUR CONTRACT THAT KIND OF TIE OUR EXECUTIVE HANDS THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE SAVINGS.

LIKE, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT EVEN SAYING DO IT.

I'M JUST SAYING, IS THERE AREAS THAT I, I FEEL LIKE OUR, UM, OUR UNION REPS ARE, SEE HOW DIRE THIS SITUATION IS AND MAYBE THEY HAVE AN IDEA.

SO AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO OVER POLITICIZE.

I'M NOT TRYING TO LIKE YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME, ANYTHING ADDITIONAL.

YEAH, I THINK I, YEAH, I, I, UNFORTUNATELY IN, IN TERMS OF REOPENING THE CONTRACT, I WOULDN'T DO THAT RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO EXPLORE, CERTAINLY.

AND, UM, WITH, WITH THE UNIONS, WITH ALL OF US, THE STAFF, YOU KNOW.

THERE'S REIMBURSABLE OVERTIME TIME.

WELL, UM, I WOULD MAKE, UH, TO CLOSE THIS OUT BECAUSE I DO HAVE, I, I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON REVENUE, UH, AND SOME ADDITIONS AND SOME MOTION.

BUT TO CLOSE OUT ON THE REDUCTION, I WOULD ASK, UH, STAFF, UH, TO DO THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK, UH, A PROPOSAL WITH ZERO OVERTIME.

SO LET ME EXPLAIN.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S GOING TO BE A TOTAL BAN ON OVERTIME.

THERE'S GONNA BE AREAS WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE OVERTIME, BUT AT LEAST FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT, AT LEAST FOR A HOLDOVER, UM, TO ZERO IT, UM, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S SOME STAFF THINGS.

UM, BUT IF WE AT LEAST ZERO IT TO SUBMIT, UM, AND THEN YOU ALL COME BACK TO US, UM, AT THAT LATER TIME WITH, OKAY, THESE ARE THE ADJUSTMENTS AND THIS IS WHY.

AND THEN SO AT LEAST THAT WAY, SO MAYBE IT'S JULY, OR MAYBE IT'S NOT EVEN JULY.

MAYBE IT'S JULY SOON, MAYBE IT'S AUGUST THAT YOU, YOU AT THE, THE, THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER, THE, UM, EXECUTIVE SAY, OKAY, WE SPENT OVERTIME, BUT THIS IS WHY AND THIS IS HOW WE SPENT IT.

SO I'M NOT SAYING BAN OVERTIME, BUT I'M SAYING AT LEAST FOR BUDGET ZERO IT, AND THEN YOU COME BACK AND, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN REPORT TO, AND THEN WE, WE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS WHERE NEEDED.

BUT 'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE SEEN, SO ON THE OVERTIME, IT'S LIKE, SO IT WAS SET FOR 800,000 FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR PD FOR EXAMPLE, 800,000, 800,000.

AND THEN AND CHIEF, I DO, UH, APPRECIATE THAT YOU RESPOND TO THAT.

YOU'RE LIKE, YEAH, THIS ISN'T REALISTIC.

WE'LL UP IT TO 1.3 MILLION, WE UPPED IT TO 1.3 MILLION AND THEN NOW IT'S LIKE 1.7.

SO THAT'S WHERE I, I REALLY WANT THAT LIKE KIND OF MORE, UM, KIND OF REPORTING CONTROLLED.

AND I FEEL LIKE, UM, IF IF THIS, THIS IS A BUDGET EXERCISE, SO ZEROING IT AND THEN WE COME BACK AND WE CAN BUILD IT FROM THERE LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF.

SO AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING A BAN ON OVERTIME.

LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE SAFETY ISSUES.

THERE'S GONNA BE, WE'RE JUST SHORT ON STAFF.

OUR DISPATCH, FOR EXAMPLE, IS STRETCHED THIN.

BUT IF WE ZERO IT, THEN IF YOU COME BACK IN A MONTH OR TWO, THEN WE CAN MAKE FURTHER REFINEMENTS AND ADJUST THE BUDGET.

UH, IF I COULD, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT I THINK, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THE ONLY DEAL IS RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT STAFF HAS PRESENTED AND WHAT WE VOTE ON WHILE AGO TO ACCEPT THAT FOR THE, FOR THE SAKE OF THE STATE, THAT BALANCES OUR BUDGET AND IT BALANCES IT.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE SHOW THEM THAT WE HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET.

'CAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO USE UNDESIGNATED RESERVES TO, TO BALANCE THE BUDGET THAT SATISFIES THE STATE.

SO WE DON'T NEED TO JUST ARTIFICIALLY TAKE IT DOWN FARTHER ARTIFICIALLY.

'CAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE OVERTIME.

AND SO TO DO THAT WOULD JUST, IT WOULD BE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THEY PRESENTED A REALISTIC BUDGET, BUT THEN YOU'RE KIND OF PUTTING TOGETHER KIND OF A PHONY BUDGET IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING NO OVERTIME, UH, THE, UH, NOW THAT CAN COME BACK TO THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WHEN WE BRING BACK AND WE BRING IT BACK LIKE IN AUGUST OR WHATEVER, START LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AS FAR AS DIFFERENT WAYS WE APPROACH LIKE OVERTIME AND DIFFERENT STUFF AND HOW WE REPORT IT, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

UH, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT AS FAR AS TO GET, GET STATE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO BE OKAY WITH THE STATE.

THAT'S, IF WE GO AHEAD WITH WHAT WE ALREADY VOTED ON, THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF.

I, I DON'T THINK IT'S TAKEN NO, BUT WE DIDN'T ADDRESS OVERTIME AT ALL, AS I UNDERSTAND.

NO, NO.

WE DIDN'T ADDRESS OVERTIME.

I DON'T EVEN THINK WE'VE EVER PROPOSED A REDUCTION.

LIKE I DON'T THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED IT AT ALL FROM A NUMBER, FROM A NUMBER STANDPOINT.

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BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, THE OVERALL BUDGET, THE OVERALL BUDGET IS BALANCED.

AND WE, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS FROM THE STATE STANDPOINT, WE CAN USE THE UN-DESIGNATED RESERVE TO BALANCE OUR BUDGET.

BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT THOUGH.

WE'RE TRYING TO NOT DO THAT.

WELL, I, WELL, I KNOW IN THE LONG RUN, BUT AS FAR AS, BUT UH, BUT US JUST BEING ABLE TO PRESENT A BALANCED BUDGET TO THE STATE TO DO THE, THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO MEET THAT JUNE 30TH DATE, THAT PART'S DONE.

NOW WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO LONG RANGE AND TO DO INTO THE FINE.

THAT'S THE REASON WHY I SAY WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA GET INTO THE MINUTIA AT THIS AT THE TIME.

WE JUST WANT TO, RIGHT AT THIS POINT, WE WANNA DO WHAT IS REALISTIC.

THE DEPARTMENTS FEEL CAN BE REALISTIC IN MAKING REDUCTIONS IN THE BUDGET THAT WILL THEN PUT US INTO A DEAL WHERE WE, WE, WE CAN SHOW A BALANCED BUDGET.

I, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA LOOK OVER HERE.

I AM, AM AM AM I OFF WITH WHAT I'M SAYING? I THINK I, I THINK I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YEAH, MAYOR, I, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE PREVIOUS MOTION, UH, RECOMMENDED THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH WHAT WAS ALREADY PRESENTED, INCLUDING STAFF RECOMMENDED, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDED BUDGET REDUCTIONS TO BE PRESENTED AS THE PROPOSED BUDGET RIGHT ON JUNE 2ND.

UM, AT WHICH TIME, IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS THAT COUNCIL DECIDES ON MM-HMM .

UH, WE WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, REVISE THE BUDGET, UM, BEFORE IT IS OFFICIALLY ADOPTED, RIGHT? Y YES.

SO THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

SO I'M GOING ABOVE THAT, ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT AS ADDITION FOR NUMBERS AND FOR EXPLORING.

'CAUSE I COULD EITHER DO THAT NOW, OR, AND THEN YOU GUYS HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT IT, ASSUMING THAT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL AGREES.

UH, 'CAUSE I DO THINK I WANNA MAKE A MOTION, UM, OR WE CAN WAIT TILL THEN, BUT THEN THAT'S JUST TO ME, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD WAIT TO FURTHER EXPLORE ZERO OVERTIME FREE.

SO I'M FINE WITH THE REDUCTIONS AS PROPOSED, LIKE BUILDING THAT IN, UM, UH, FOR NOW.

AND THEN WE CAN CHERRY PICK OR MAKE ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON OUR ONE-ON-ONES AND KIND OF IMPACTS.

BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE US EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS.

SO ZERO OVER TIME FREEZES ON MANAGEMENT AND EXECUTIVE INCREASES.

SO I'M JUST FREEZING THE INCREASES AND GOLDEN HANDSHAKE SLASH EARLY RETIREMENT.

AND I WAS GONNA ADD ON THEIR DEBT MANAGEMENT, BUT I THINK YOU GUYS SAID THAT WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT THAT AND WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT.

IF, IF THAT'S A FORM OF MOTION, I'LL SECOND.

IS THAT A MOTION? IS THAT, HI HEIDI, IS THAT IN A, UM, IS THAT KOSHER? UM, YEAH.

'CAUSE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS THAT FURTHER INFORMATION TO GET TO WHERE WE'RE GOING.

SO STEVE, DID, DID YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON SOME IS A PROPOSAL FOR, UM, FOR ADDITIONAL REDUCTIONS BEYOND WHAT YOU GUYS ALREADY ARE GOING TO PRESENT IN THE FORM OF THE FREEZES AND EVERYTHING ELSE BUDGET TO BE PRESENTED ON THE SECOND WAS ZERO.

I'M JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED ON THE OVERTIME SIDE WHEN WHEN WE SAY WE'RE GONNA FREEZE OVERTIME.

I WAS SAYING ZERO.

IT, WELL, I JUST HEARD, I JUST HEARD EARLIER FROM ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER.

OUR OVERTIME BUDGETS ARE TOO LOW.

IF WE LOOK AT THE TRENDS, WHY DON'T WE MAKE THEM MORE REALISTIC? THAT TRUE.

NOW WHAT I'M HEARING IS SET IT AT ZERO.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES.

WELL, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE FIVE DOES WELL LOOK YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE FIVE INDIVIDUALS, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME DIFFERENCE.

NO, I GET IT.

BUT WHAT JUST I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

SO PAUL AND A FINANCE TEAM HAS CLEAR DIRECTION, HAS CLEAR DIRECTION.

WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE SAY, AS PART OF THE FY 27 BUDGET, YOU WANT US TO COME BACK WITH AN OPTION TO FREEZE OVERTIME? YES.

TO HAVE ZERO OVERTIME AS THE, AS THE BUDGET.

ZERO OVERTIME AS THE BUDGET.

AND THAT'S REPRESENTING SAVINGS.

HOWEVER, I DO HEAR THE MAYOR'S POINT THAT THAT'S TOO, UM, LIKE NOT REAL TOO.

IT'S NOT REALISTIC, BUT IT'S NOT REALISTIC TO HAVE IT.

WHAT WE'RE DOING HAS BEEN REALISTIC EITHER, LIKE JUST TAPPING THE, AN ASSIGNED FUND BALANCE WE HAVE ON THERE ARE NEGA.

SO WE, WE'VE ALREADY PRESENTED AN UNREALISTIC, KIND OF AT LEAST PRELIMINARY BUDGET BY SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A $16 MILLION DEFICIT IN A WAY THAT'S NOT REALISTIC.

SO I'M SAYING, OKAY, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, THEN WHY NOT DO IT FOR OVERTIME? AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE CREATIVE HERE.

IF I MAY POINT OUT ONE, UM, LEGAL ISSUE THAT RELATES TO THAT, IF WE'RE KIND TO COME BACK.

I, I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING NOW IS FOR AN EXPLORATORY LOOK AT NO, OVER TIME.

I JUST PULLED UP A COUPLE OF OUR AGREEMENTS, OUR MOUS, IT'S VERY CLEAR THERE IS CERTAIN AMOUNTS OVERTIME.

AND FOR EXAMPLE, IN SOME DEPARTMENTS, IF OVERTIME IS HIT, IT'S A CERTAIN REQUIRED AMOUNT.

THAT WOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE OH, OKAY.

REOPENER.

SO, OH, OKAY.

THAT'S TO, SO IF YOUR, IF YOUR MOTION IS TO DO THAT, IT MIGHT NEED TO BE MODIFIED TO SAY ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF WHAT'S ALREADY REQUIRED IN THE

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MOUS.

I, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

STEVE, WOULD THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? WOULD THAT BE AGAIN, I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE TO SAY.

WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE MOUS AND THEN TRY TO MINIMIZE OVER TIME.

I, I, I GUESS WHAT ABOUT REDUCED OVERTIME THEN? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I, AGAIN, I I, I'M, I AM GETTING CONCERNED ABOUT OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT'S ABILITY TO PRODUCE A BUDGET THAT YOU GUYS CAN VOTE ON FOR ADOPTION ON JUNE 30TH.

'CAUSE WE KEEP ADDING TO IT.

AND I, AND YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR SAID IT SEVERAL TIMES NOW, IS THIS IS TO GET US TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN ADOPT THE BUDGET.

I, I AM ALL FOR STRATEGIC PLANNING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNCIL WITH, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD THE TERM, YOU KNOW, PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING WHERE WE TAKE A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT, AT ALL OF OUR ESSENTIAL SERVICES, UM, OUR, OUR PROGRAMMING.

AND I THINK THAT PROCESS NEEDS TO START IN AUGUST.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER I'M HERE OR THERE'S A NEW CITY MANAGER THAT'S GONNA BE CRITICAL.

AND BY DOING THAT, BY STARTING THAT IN AUGUST, THE GOAL WOULD BE BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR NEXT YEAR, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH $13 MILLION IN, IN ON A SUN FUND BALANCE.

WE WERE ABLE TO, TO FIND SOME SAVINGS MM-HMM .

BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO SO MUCH IN THE NEXT WEEK.

I, I DON'T THINK FINANCE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE SCHEDULE FOR A PROPOSED BUDGET IF WE KEEP LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL SCENARIOS OVER THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.

I, I'M, I'M CONCERNED WITH HOW, WITH EVERYBODY'S SCHEDULES, YOURS INCLUDED, HOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE PRODUCTIVE ONE-ON-ONE BRIEFINGS WITHIN THE NEXT 10 DAYS.

SO THAT, SO THAT OUR TEAM CAN DO OUR BEST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE KEEP THAT'S FAIR.

WE KEEP ADDING ON SCENARIOS THAT YOU WANT US TO PRESENT ON JUNE 2ND.

WE, WE, I'M ALL FOR, AGAIN, THE STRATEGIC PLANNING AND, AND AND ANALYZING, UM, MOVING FORWARD.

BUT, BUT I, I, AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP AS FOCUSED ON WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO GET US TO A BALANCED BUDGET BY JUNE 30TH.

IF, IF, IF I MAY.

UM, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT ACTING CITY MANAGER.

I UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH MAYBE, UH, AT THIS MOMENT WE ARE REQUESTING.

AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION OF LOOKING AT THE DEPLETING UNASSIGNED GENERAL FUND BALANCE AND FINDING WAYS SO WE CAN GET SOME THINGS UNDER CONTROL, INCLUDING SOME OF THE OVERTIME.

SO I GUESS, I GUESS I AM ALSO SEEING THE FRUSTRATION ON MY COLLEAGUES REALIZING THAT OVER TIME IS ACCOUNTING MORE AND MORE OF OUR FUND BALANCE.

SO HOW DO WE GET THAT UNDER CONTROL? AND ULTIMATELY WE CAN TRY TO DISSECT YOUR INDIVIDUAL BUDGETS, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT AS PRODUCTIVE.

AND, AND I THINK SOMETHING THAT'S MOST PRODUCTIVE WOULD BE TO PROVIDE US, UH, UM, NUMBERS THAT WOULD BE, UM, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE, UH, TIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO OUR, UM, OVERTIME HOURS.

BECAUSE THEY DO INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR.

AND IT HAS SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.

NOW GRANTED, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SUBSTANTIAL THINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED, RIGHT? AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING TASK FORCE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, OPERATIONS THAT WE HAD HERE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A WAY FOR, FOR OUR DEPARTMENTS TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY AND FOR US TO REALIZE THAT, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA RIDE THIS TOGETHER, BUT WE GOTTA BE ON THE SAME PAGE.

SO IN AN IDEAL WORLD, I THINK OUR, UM, ACTING OR, OR CITY MANAGER WOULD BE REVIEWING EVERY MONTH, WHICH EACH, EACH INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT.

AND PART OF THAT REVIEW WOULD BE THE OVERTIME.

HOW ARE YOU IN OVERTIME, HOW ARE YOU MAKING SURE THAT YOUR EMPLOYEES ARE, ARE, ARE MEETING THE DEMANDS OF OUR COMMUNITY? AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE NOT EATING THROUGH OUR BUDGETS AS A RESULT OF OVERTIME HOURS.

SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A BALANCE SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

AND I GUESS THAT'S THE FRUSTRATION THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST, AT LEAST I'M SENSING FROM MY, FROM MY COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE NEED TO DIVE DEEP ON SOME OF THIS STUFF BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM TO BE ACCUMULATING YEAR OVER YEAR AND THERE ISN'T A REALLY CLEAR SOLUTION FOR THIS OTHER THAN EXPAND THE BUDGET FOR THAT.

I DON'T, I, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WELL, YEAH.

MY HOPE WAS THAT WE TOOK A PROACTIVE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TONIGHT.

YOU HAD POLICE AND FIRE SPEND THE LAST WEEK AND A HALF DOING A DEEP DIVE ON OVERTIME AND PRESENTED SOME, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO HOW WE GET IT UNDER CONTROL AND REDUCE IT.

THIS IS THE FIRST STEP.

AGAIN, IT'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA SOLVE THE OVERTIME PROBLEM IN, IN A COUPLE MEETINGS, BUT MY HOPE WAS THAT THE THOUGHT THEY PUT INTO THIS AND THE TRACKING THEY'RE ALREADY DOING WAS TO SHOW YOU AND THE PUBLIC THAT WE ARE TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.

MORE WORK NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

BUT THAT THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN, IN GETTING OUT THERE PUBLICLY, HAVING OUR DEPARTMENTS

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THAT USE A LOT OF OVERTIME, REALLY BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT ARE THE FACTORS THAT DRIVE OVER TIME AND SOME MEASURES TO HELP REDUCE IT.

SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT THESE ARE IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS AND I, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK, AS YOU MENTIONED, COUNCIL MEMBER MONTHLY WITH, WITH OUR, ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON THE OVERTIME SIDE.

UM, I THINK JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY COLLEAGUES HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S JUST LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OF COURSE THERE ARE ESSENTIAL SERVICES, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UM, UM, PROVIDE OUR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN OUR CITY.

UM, BUT THERE ARE OTHER OVERTIMES IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ALSO, I'M LOOKING AT THE ACTUALS RIGHT NOW.

THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UM, THAT WAS, UM, SUBMITTED TO US.

IS IS ALSO IN THE LEVEL WHERE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T WANNA USE THE WORD LAX, BUT I THINK CITY MANAGER HAS TO REVISIT THOSE.

UH, I'M NOT, FOR ME, UM, OUR SAFETY IS OUR PRIORITY.

AND I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMPONENT OF THE OVERTIME BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE, UM, LACKING ON MANPOWER THERE.

UM, BUT THERE ARE OTHER, THERE ARE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE, UM, OF OUR EXPENSE REPORT THAT ARE SHOWING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT THOSE AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN ZERO THOSE OUT.

SO THEN IF THERE ARE NECESSARY THINGS LIKE, LIKE FOR OTHER DEPARTMENT, IT'S A DISCRETION OF THE CITY MANAGER TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS, YOU CAN DO THAT.

BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE, IT'S OPEN WORLD, RIGHT? UM, EXCEPT FOR POLICE AND FIRE, THEY HAVE THAT BECAUSE IT'S OUR PUBLIC SAFETY.

BUT THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, I, I, I THINK I I, PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, COMPONENT OF THIS NUMBERS THAT I'M LOOKING AT, I THINK WE HAVE TO REVISIT THOSE, UH, OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

OH, BE CAREFUL ON HOW WE'RE APPROACHING THIS BECAUSE IF WE'RE JUST THAT WE MAKE SURE WE DON'T ARTIFICIALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, PUTTING STUFF IN.

'CAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, I I I, I JUST FOUND A SPOT WHERE WE CAN, UH, WE COULD SAVE ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS.

WE JUST DON'T PUT ANY BUDGET FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.

NO PROBLEM.

WE JUST SAVED A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS , SHE'S OUTTA HERE AND, YOU KNOW, SO RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER.

YEAH, I KNOW .

AND, UH, BUT, UH, THAT WAS HARSH EXAMPLE.

I FEEL , BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING IS BECAUSE IT IS STILL GONNA BE NECESSARY, WE KNOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT REALISTIC.

SO I JUST WANT, I, I AGREE THAT I THINK WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, THINK THROUGH SOME POLICIES, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT, THAT MAKE SURE THAT EVERY BIT OF OVERTIME IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND A CHECKS AND BALANCES.

BUT YOU CAN'T REALLY DO THAT IN THE BUDGET.

I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE NEED TO TALK THROUGH THAT.

THAT'S A GOOD AUGUST DISCUSSION.

OKAY, SO HOW ABOUT THIS? AND I'LL MOVE ON TO REVENUE THEN.

HOW ABOUT I, I AM GONNA SOFTEN IT THEN.

SO STEVE, HOW ABOUT WE TRY EXPLORE? AND IF YOU CAN'T BRING IT BACK BECAUSE OF THE TIMING, THE, THE, THE DEADLINE'S THE MOST IMPORTANT.

SO HOW ABOUT EXPLORE REDUCED, ATTEMPTED, REDUCED, FURTHER REDUCED OVERTIME? I'M JUST GONNA KEEP IT VAGUE, FURTHER REDUCED OVERTIME, AND I THINK, SO THE REDUCED OVERTIME HERE, HERE'S THE THING IS THAT'S INTERCONNECTED TO THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT HIRING.

BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO HIRE MORE AND THAT REDUCES OVERTIME, THEN THAT'S GOOD.

SO REDUCTIONS ON OVERTIME, I STILL WANT AT AT LEAST LOOK AT POTENTIAL NUMBERS IF POSSIBLE.

IF NOT, IT'S OKAY ON FREEZES, ON MANAGEMENT EXECUTIVE INCREASES.

AND AGAIN, IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE IN THIS TIMEFRAME, EARLY RETIREMENTS, GOLDEN HANDSHAKES AT LEAST TO, TO EXPLORE AND PUT IT OUT THERE.

IF WE CAN'T DO IT IN TIME, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, IT HAS TO BE REALISTIC, THEN I'M FINE WITH THAT, BUT AT LEAST AS AN OPTION.

SO I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT OPTIONAL FOR YOU AND THE EXECUTIVES TO COME WITH IDEAS.

AND IF THERE'S NO IDEAS WITHIN TIME, THEN THERE'S NO IDEAS.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MOTION.

I SECONDED THE MOTION.

SO THIS IS JUST, THIS IS TO, TO SAY THAT ASKING STAFF TO, UH, TO WORK ON THIS AND BRING IT BACK, YOU KNOW, BRING BACK ANY IDEAS OR WHATEVER AT WHATEVER POINT THEY CAN.

I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO SUM IT UP THERE.

OKAY, SO THIS IS JUST GIVING DIRECTION, ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, CONSIDERATION TO TAKE A LOOK AT AT DIFFERENT, UH, POLICIES OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER WE CAN DO, UH, STRUCTURE, WHATEVER TO DEAL WITH, UH, DO WITH OVERTIME.

, I'M TRYING TO SUM IT UP.

ALRIGHT, SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND, UH, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN RODRIGUEZ, WOULD YOU PUT IN YOUR SECOND ON THAT ONE? THERE WE GO.

AND,

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I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY THAT.

I'M TRYING TO, TRYING TO MAKE IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE.

LET'S EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES, EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES.

IT'S NOT SAFETY RELATED OVERTIME.

DIDN'T SAY THAT ONE, BUT, OKAY.

ALRIGHT, I'M JUST TRYING TO SUMMARIZE.

I THANK YOU.

MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.

PLEASE VOTE.

ALRIGHT, I'M TRYING TO GET YOU TO UNANIM.

CITY MANAGER ON THE REVENUE.

THANK YOU, UH, PEDRO FOR THE ANALYSIS.

SO, UH, THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL, ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE NUMBERS ON THE REVENUE.

SO I REALLY DO THINK WE SHOULD FOCUS MORE ON THE REVENUE SIDE OF IT.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE CUTS, BUT I THINK IT SHOWS LIKE WE CAN'T JUST, WE CAN'T CUT OUR WAY OUT OF THIS SITUATION.

WE HAVE TO INCREASE REVENUE AND WE'RE ALREADY ON TRACK WITH THE, UM, THE, UM, THING, UM, THE, THE SALES TAX RECEIPTS.

THE, UH, GROSS RECEIPTS.

SO AT LEAST WE'RE EXPLORING THAT.

SO THAT'S ON THE RIGHT PATH.

BUT ONE THING I DIDN'T SEE WAS, UM, A COUPLE THINGS.

I, I DIDN'T SEE ECONOMIC CONTINGENCY RESERVE.

I WAS, UM, WE MADE A DIRECTION LAST YEAR.

I, UM, I THINK WE CAN REFINE IT, BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE, AGAIN, WITHIN THE TIMELINESS, OUT OF RESPECT FOR OUR FINANCE AND PASSING A BUDGET, I WOULD STILL LIKE, UM, US THAT MILLION DOLLARS UP TO A MILLION DOLLARS, MAYBE IT'S A REVOLVING LOAN.

THE CHAMBER DID COME TO US AND PRESENT SOME IDEAS FOR EVENTS.

HOW I SEE THOSE EVENTS IS BRINGING PEOPLE IN, INCREASING OUR SALES TAX REVENUE.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE THOUGHT.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE, UM, 4TH OF JULY CARNIVAL, LIKE EVENTS LIKE, LIKE, LIKE THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO MORE OF EVENTS.

I THINK IT, WE CAN POTENTIALLY DO MORE EVENTS AND USING OUR SPACES.

WE DON'T, I DON'T THINK, UH, DITA SAID THIS EARLIER, UM, COUNCILMAN RAMANI SAID EARLIER ABOUT OUR ASSETS AND USING OUR ASSETS MORE.

SO RENTING OUT MLK, LIKE FOR QUINCEANERAS AND STUFF, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT.

AND THAT'S POLICY.

UM, 8 0 2 AND 8 0 3 MM-HMM .

UM, SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION ON, ON ACCEPTING STAFF, ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE REVENUE RECOMMENDATIONS AND LOOKING AT, UM, UM, LOOKING AT, UM, INCREASING OUR SALES TAX THROUGH EVENTS, UM, RENTING OUR, UM, SPA AND RENTING OUR, OUR SPACES UTILIZING OUR ASSETS.

I'LL SECOND THAT AND DOING THAT WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME TIMEFRAME.

SO IF WE CAN'T HAVE THAT, UM, SHOWN BY THE, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT BUDGET MEETING, THEN THAT'S OKAY.

MAYBE THAT'S A LONGER TERM ITEM.

I, I, IF I COULD, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION, THE MOTION IS JUST FOR US TO CONSIDER THE, THE REVENUE, UH, THOUGHTS THAT, THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD SUPPORT OR TO INITIATE, I THINK SUPPORT OR INITIATE.

UH, I DON'T, I'M, I DON'T KNOW WHAT STAFF WANTS TO SEE, WHAT'S, IT GIVES STEVE MORE DIRECTION.

SO ACCEPTING ALL THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON REVENUE, BUT ADDING TO IT AS EXPLORING, UH, IF IT'S POSSIBLE WITHIN THE, THE DEADLINE, UH, OUR POLICY 8 0 2 AND 8 0 3.

SO USE, UTILIZING OUR, OUR RENTING SPACES LIKE MLK, UM, EXPLORING ECONOMIC CONTINGENCY RESERVE ON EVENTS, USING THAT FOR EVENTS AND THINGS THAT GENERATE SALES TAX REVENUE.

JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT US EXPLORING THOSE O OPTIONS, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT INITIATE, BECAUSE THERE'S ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE TAXES ON THERE.

WE, IF WE TELL THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE IN GETTING READY TO INITIATE FOUR OR FIVE TAXES, WE WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A, WELL, WHAT DO YOU WANNA SEE? I, I'M WELL WHAT, SO ARE ARE YOU JUST WANTING MORE INFORMATION BROUGHT BACK ON THOSE? NO, I, I INTERPRETED IT AS THAT THE MOTION WAS, AND I KNOW THE WORD INITIATED WAS USED, BUT I INTERPRETED IT AS TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE SURE.

ALL OF THE REVENUE INITIATIVES THAT WERE PRESENTED.

UM, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

LIKE, I, I LIKE ALL OF THOSE IDEAS, SO AS MANY AS WE CAN INCORPORATE FOR THE NUMBERS WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, BEING DISHONEST OR TRYING TO MISLEAD, LIKE ACCEPTING THOSE REVENUES FOR THE BUDGET, BECAUSE THOSE HELP BALANCE THE BUDGET.

AND EVEN, AND THEN YOU MENTIONED ABOUT, UH, WANTING TO EXPLORE, UH, YOU KNOW, USES AND RESTRICTIONS FOR ECONOMIC CONTINGENCY RESERVE, UH, LOOKING AT OUR, OUR FACILITIES AND OUR ASSETS, UM, FOR RENTAL OPPORTUNITIES, ET CETERA.

BUT, BUT I, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, I, WE ARE NOT, YOU'RE NOT DIRECTING US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH INITIATING THESE REVENUES.

IT'S JUST TO EXPLORE.

UM, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? RIGHT.

I THINK THE NUANCE WHERE THERE MIGHT BE A DIFFERENCE IS I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR OUR BUDGET IF WE

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BUT BEING REALISTIC WITH THEM, SO DOES, IS THAT GOING TOO FAR? SO I'M NOT SAYING INITIATE START WORK ON THEM, BUT AT LEAST ADOPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, FOR THE REVENUES.

I, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY, THOSE ARE JUST ON THE REVENUE SLIDES.

THOSE WERE OPTIONS.

THOSE ARE NOT PART OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

THEY'RE JUST OPTIONS TO GIVE THE COUNCIL SOME IDEAS OF POTENTIAL REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES, LET'S CALL IT MM-HMM .

BUT AS FAR AS, SO WHAT POINT DO WE NEED TO ACT? SO, BUT THEY SHOULD BE INCORPORATED IN THE BUDGET.

SO AT WHAT POINT DO THOSE NEED TO BE INCORPORATED? THOSE TAKE SUBSEQUENT ACTIONS.

SO I'LL GIVE, I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE.

LIKE THERE, I THINK YOU JUST APPROVE, OR MAYBE ON THE NEXT AGENDA TO EXTEND THE CONTRACT WITH THE CONSULTANT THAT'S HELPING US WITH THE, THE DIGITAL MESSAGE BOARDS.

SO THOSE WILL ALL REQUIRE SUBSEQUENT COUNCIL ACTIONS.

WE JUST WANTED TO GET SOME INITIAL FEEDBACK.

ARE THESE REVENUES THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO EXPLORE AND ANALYZE, AND THEN THEY WOULD COME BACK, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, WITH, WITH SUBSEQUENT OUNCES, UH, SUBSEQUENT ACTIONS BY COUNSEL AND OR PRESENTATIONS.

UM, SO, UM, THERE ARE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS HERE FROM, UH, CITY MANAGER WITH REGARDS TO, UM, REVENUE GENERATING PROGRAMS OR PROJECTS ZERO TO 12 MONTHS.

I THINK THOSE ARE THE URGENT ONES BECAUSE WE ALREADY STARTED IT.

SO THEN WE CAN REALIZE IT IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN SIX TO 10 MONTHS, BECAUSE SOME OF THEM, SOME OF THEM ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE USER SERVICE FEES, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT STARTED IN APRIL 20, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE CAN GET SOME UPDATE REPORTS ON HOW IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN MONETIZING THAT, HOW, HOW, HOW MUCH IS THAT, UM, PROVIDING NOW, UM, PARKING METERS, CODE ENFORCEMENT.

I THINK YOU SEE ALL THIS.

UM, AND I WOULD ALSO ADD HERE, YOU MEAN COLLECT, COLLECT THOSE PEOPLE WHO OWE US MONEY.

OH, YEAH.

I THINK THAT'S ALSO ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO BE MORE AGGRE.

UH, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA USE ASSERT AGGRESSIVE ASSERTIVE IN, IN GOING AFTER THOSE PEOPLE WHO OWE THE CITY MONEY.

UH, SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE, UM, MOST, UH, UM, PROGRAMS OR, OR ACTIONS THAT CITY MANAGER HAD HAD PUT BEFORE US THAT CAN BE ACTED UPON IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE IT'LL REALIZE IMMEDIATE REVENUE GENERATING, UH, WITH REGARDS TO ONE TO TWO YEARS.

THAT'S A CONTINUING CONVERSATION WITH, UM, WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND, UM, WHOEVER'S SEATED THERE RIGHT NOW.

BUT, BUT THIS ZERO TO 12 MONTHS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE CAN ACT ON THIS ONE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, MAKE IT COME TO FRUITION IN, IN, IN REVENUE GENERATING, UM, YOU, I MEAN, UM, MONEY TO THE CITY.

SO, AND, AND THERE'S A LOT HERE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE STARTED, BUT WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW THE NUMBERS.

UH, CLASS EXAMPLE CHULA VISTA A FEW YEARS AGO, OR HAVING A BUDGET, BUT THIS HAS GOTTA BE 15 YEARS AGO, THEY HAD A BUDGET PROBLEM.

SO THEY PUT IN THE MONEY THAT THEY WERE GONNA GET OFF OF, UH, AN ENTERPRISE FUND FROM THE COUNTY FOR HAVING THE LANDFILL THERE AT THEIR CITY.

THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THEY NEVER HAD TALKED TO THE COUNTY ABOUT THAT COUNTY NEVER WAS GONNA DO THAT.

BUT THAT'S HOW THEY FILLED THEIR, THAT'S HOW THEY BALANCED THEIR BUDGET AS FAR AS ON PAPER.

BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY OTHER CITIES, MAYOR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE YET, NOW THAT WE HAVE INITIATED OKAY.

THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD IN, IN COMING TO, FOR IT TO COME TO REALITY.

I KNOW, BUT WE HAVE INITIATED ALL THESE YET, SO YES, YES.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR EXAMPLE, MAYOR.

YEAH, NO, I GET THAT.

THANK YOU BOTH.

THINGS LIKE DIGITAL BILLBOARD EXPANSIONS.

CAN I, MAYOR? UM, I MEAN I, I THINK, UH, I SHARE THE SENTIMENT TO MY COLLEAGUES.

I THINK WE SHOULD NOT BE LEAVING THINGS AT THE TABLE.

WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY, I KNOW YOU ALL ARE ALREADY WORKING ON, BUT MOVE ON.

SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE.

I KNOW THAT'S TAKEN A WHILE, BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE IMPLEMENT THE ORDINANCE.

UM, GROSS RECEIPT TAX, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THE VACANT PROPERTY ORDINANCE.

I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING, BUT I'M CERTAINLY EAGER TO WORK ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

SO I THINK WE, WE SHOULD NOT BE LEAVING SOME OF THESE AT THE TABLE.

I THINK WE NEED TO WORK ON IT COLLECTIVELY.

WE HAVE A DEPARTMENT, UM, TO DO IT.

SO I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD WORK ON IT.

I KNOW YOU ALREADY ARE, BUT , BUT YEAH, ANY, ANY WAY WE CAN HELP IN MAKING THIS HAPPEN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

NO, THAT'S THE FEEDBACK WE WERE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT AS IT RELATES TO THESE REVENUE INITIATIVES.

SO THANK YOU.

YEAH, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE ON THE TABLE.

THAT'S

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THE WHOLE IDEA.

ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? DOES STAFF HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE AT NOW? .

? WE'RE STILL HERE, MA'AM.

WE'RE STILL, WE ARE STILL HERE.

AND, UH, OKAY.

IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, CLARITY OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE STAFF NEEDS? CLEAR IS MUD, RIGHT? CHIEF? NO, NO, THAT, THAT'S ED.

I JUST SAID THAT.

ARE WE GOOD? I HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION, MAYOR.

THAT'S WHAT I WANNA HEAR.

SO WITH THAT THEN, IF THAT'S THE CASE, UM, THEN WE ARE ADJOURNED.

I MADE A MO THERE'S A MOTION ON THE BOARD.

OH, OKAY.

WHO TAKES ACCEPT THE STAFF? UM, REVENUE AND IF POSSIBLE EXPLORE THE OTHER FOR EXPIRATION PURPOSES? YES.

OH YEAH, IF PO IF POSSIBLE, IF THEY CAN THROW THAT IN THE REVENUE.

YES, YOU ALREADY ADDED IT.

MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.

SO THAT, WHO SECONDED IT? UH, I RODRIGUEZ DID.

SO YEAH, PLEASE VOTE.

ALRIGHT, SO IF THAT SUMS GETS EVERYTHING WITH THAT CASE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE ADJOURNED.

ACTION ITEM.

GREAT WORK EVERYONE.