* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. YOU CAN GO [00:00:01] AHEAD AND GET STARTED. ALRIGHT. OH, THEY QUIET. DONE. REALLY GOOD. THAT'S GREAT. UM, OKAY, BEFORE WE, UH, GET STARTED, IF WE COULD HAVE AN EXPLANATION FROM OUR INTERPRETER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THE FOLLOWING WILL BE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. COULD WE TURN THE VOLUME UP PLEASE? THE FOLLOWING WILL BE AN ANNOUNCEMENT IN SPANISH REGARDING OUR INTERPRETATION SERVICES, NATIONAL TRANSMISSION. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY. AS A REMINDER, IF WE COULD PLEASE SILENCE ALL CELL PHONES OR ANY OTHER DEVICES IN THE CHAMBER. AND, UH, WITH THAT, I'D CALL THE MEETING. TO ORDER A LIVE WEBCAST OF THE MEETING MAY BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. AND IF YOU'RE WATCHING VIA, UH, ZOOM, VIEWING THE SPANISH VERSION OF THE MEETING, INTERPRETER INSTRUCTIONS WILL APPEAR IN THE CHAT BOX AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN. FOR THOSE WHO PREFER TO SIT IN THE CHAMBER, HEADSETS ARE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE LIVE SPANISH TRANSLATION, PLEASE SEE THE CITY CLERK'S DESK TO CHECK OUT A HEADSET WITH THAT. UM, THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY'S WEBSITE INFORMS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR A PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. IN PERSON IN, UH, THE COUNCIL CHAMBER, BY SUBMITTING ONE OF THESE SALMON COLORED SLIPS, THEY ARE AVAILABLE AT THE BACK OF THE CHAMBER AND EITHER BY ZOOM, BY PRE-REGISTERING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, NO LATER THAN TWO HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING OR EMAILING NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING. ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IF RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE. WITH THAT, COULD WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ANI HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH HERE. VICE MAYOR MOLINA. PRESENT. MAYOR MORRISON. UH, PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF WE COULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND PLEASE REMAIN STANDING, UH, FOR THE INVOCATION. WITH THAT, UH, UH, MEMBER YAMAN, WOULD YOU BE PLEASE STAND UP AGAIN. READY, BEGIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH THE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND HERE WE HAVE, THERE HE IS, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MR. MAY EVERYBODY PRESENT IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOIN ME IN PRAYER. PRAYER. GOD CREATED ALL. COME BEFORE YOU IN PRAYER. ASK FOR YOUR WISDOM AND GUIDANCE. AND EVERYONE, EVERYONE WHO HAS A SINCERE DESIRE FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD IN THIS BELOVED CITY. MAY YOUR PRESENCE AND PEACE AND GUIDANCE BE RECOGNIZED AND BE BEFORE YOU THROUGH US ALL. IN JESUS' NAME I PRAY. AMEN. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. WE'RE [5. PUBLIC COMMENT (Part 1 of 2)] NOW HERE. PUBLIC COMMENTS. AND THESE ARE ON ITEMS OR MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. AND, UM, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF ZOOM ALSO, DO WE NOT ON THIS? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, IF THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, IF THE TIME GOES BEYOND 30 MINUTES, THOSE THAT ARE STILL REMAINING WILL BE AT THE END OF THE COUNCIL MEETING. WE WILL CALL 'EM AT THAT POINT. AND, UM, SO WITH THAT, WE WILL HAVE, UH, TWO MINUTES PER SPEAKER. AND WE START OUT WITH DR. UH, PETER ANDERSON TO BE FOLLOWED BY LARRY EMERSON, TO BE FOLLOWED BY BRIAN CLAPPER. GOOD EVENING. UH, I'M DR. PETER ANDERSON. I'M A RETIRED PROFESSOR FROM SAN DIEGO STATE UNIVERSITY, AND NOW I'M A FULL-TIME VOLUNTEER IN ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE SIERRA CLUB AND SAN DIEGO COMMUNITY POWER, WHICH YOU'RE A MEMBER OF. UM, WE THANK YOU FOR PASSING A VERY GOOD CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, BUT WE'RE HERE TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO MAKE IT EVEN BETTER [00:05:01] WITHOUT SPENDING A LOT OF TA ADDITIONAL TAXPAYER MONEY, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS IN SHORT SUPPLY, HAVING A GOOD CLIMATE ACTION PLAN ALSO REDUCES, UH, DANGEROUS AIR POLLUTION. SO IT IMPROVES THE HEALTH OF YOUR RESIDENTS IN ADDITION TO BEING COMPLIANT WITH THE STATE'S CLIMATE ACTION GOALS. SO WHAT COULD YOU DO BETTER THAN WHAT YOU'RE DOING? ONE IS YOU CAN HAVE BETTER ACCOUNTING FOR THE GREENHOUSE GAS THAT'S BEING EMITTED WITHIN YOUR CITY. THAT SEEMS TO BE MISSING. YOU CAN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO OPT UP TO 100% RENEWABLE ENERGY THROUGH SAN DIEGO COMMUNITY POWER FOR JUST CENTS ON THE DOLLAR. I DO THAT MYSELF. RATHER THAN JUST GETTING 50 OR 60% RENEWABLES. YOU CAN GET A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE, WHICH, UH, REDUCES POLLUTION AND CONTRIBUTES TO OUR CLIMATE ACTION GOLD. YOU COULD, YOU SHOULD ALSO POINT A, A LEAD AGENCY TO MONITOR EACH, UH, CAP PLAN. AND YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF EXCELLENT CAP PLANS, BUT WE CAN'T FIND WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S IN CHARGE OF ALL OF THOSE. UM, AND THEN YOU CAN INCREASINGLY ELECTRIFY YOUR MUNICIPAL FLEET AS SOON AS BUSES, FIRE ENGINES, UH, OTHER KINDS OF CARS ARE, UH, NEAR THEIR LIFETIME. UH, THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES, WHICH, UH, I AND LARRY EMERSON BOTH DRIVE. UH, LARRY IS GONNA BE THE NEXT SPEAKER. HE'S ALSO IN SAN DIEGO, COMMUNITY POWER, ALSO A MEMBER OF SIERRA CLUB, BUT HE'S A RESIDENT OF NATIONAL CITY. SO GIVE HIM YOUR ATTENTION AND THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LARRY EMERSON, FOLLOWED BY BRIAN CLAPPER, FOLLOWED BY, UH, PURITA. UH, JAVIER. GOOD EVENING. LARRY EMERSON, IN CASE YOU DIDN'T RECOGNIZE ME. THIS IS MY SUMMER LOOK. STAY COOL. . UM, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, LAST YEAR, THE US UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLE TAX CREDIT INCENTIVES CAME TO AN END SEPTEMBER 20 OR 30TH, AND THERE WAS A DIP IN ELECTRIC VEHICLE SALES AT THE END OF THE YEAR TODAY. UH, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THEY'VE REBOUNDED THIS FIRST QUARTER OF 2026. TODAY I BRING A LIST OF THE TOP 10 POPULAR EVS THAT SOLD IN THIS FIRST QUARTER FROM JANUARY TO FEBRUARY. I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT WITH THE CLERK. AND SEVERAL OF THESE EV MODELS HAD INCREASED SALES COMPARED TO LAST YEAR. UH, ONE MODEL HAS AN INCREASE AS MUCH AS 79%, ANOTHER 22%, AND A THIRD BY 14%. SO SALES, UM, YOU HEAR NEGATIVE INFORMATION, BUT THERE THEY ARE, SOME POPULAR EV SALES. AND THE ONES THAT ARE COMING OFF LEASE, ARE YOU GOING TO BE EVEN CHEAPER AND MORE AFFORDABLE? UH, EV SALES ARE ON THE INCREASE WORLDWIDE IN MANY, MANY COUNTRIES. UH, EVS ARE AT LEAST THREE TIMES MORE EFFICIENT THAN GAS CARDS AND HAVE MUCH LESS MAINTENANCE. YOU CAN SAVE ON FUEL COSTS AND MAINTENANCE COSTS. AND JUST A REMINDER THAT GASOLINE, A GALLON OF GASOLINE THAT BURNS ON AN INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE. MOSTLY 80% OF THAT GOES UP IN HEAT AND POLLUTION. 20% PUSHES THE CAR. AND EVEN IF YOU HAVE A HYBRID, WHEN YOU START THAT CAR UP FOR SHORT TRIPS, THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER ISN'T EVEN WARM AND YOU GET THE MOST WEAR AND TEAR ON YOUR ENGINE AS WELL AS POLLUTION. IF YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF CLEAN CARS FOR ALL PROGRAM, WHICH I HAVE A FLYER, WHICH I'LL ALSO LEAVE WITH THE CLERK, AND YOU QUALIFY UNDER THE INCOME LIMITS, YOU CAN RECEIVE UP TO 9,500 OR 12,000 ON A TRADE-IN, ON AN OLD VEHICLE FOR A PURCHASE OR LEASE, EITHER A NEW OR EVEN A USED ELECTRIC VEHICLE. SO PEOPLE SHOULD BE AWARE OF THESE PROGRAMS. THAT'S I'M JUST SHARING THAT I DON'T SELL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. I DON'T, I DON'T MAKE ANY PROFIT ON THIS. JUST SHARE. THANK YOU. EDUCATING. SO LET ME SHARE THIS. NEXT WE HAVE BRIAN CLAPPER BE FOLLOWED BY PURITA, JAVIER AND CESAR JAVIER. GOOD EVENING MAYOR CITY COUNCIL. WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE 4TH OF JULY CARNIVAL AND I LEFT SOME POSTERS SO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU COULD PLEASE GIVE THEM OUT TO YOUR RESPECTIVE BUSINESSES AND STUFF AND ADVERTISE IT. BUT WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT DOING THE CARNIVAL THIS YEAR OF FIREWORKS ON THE 4TH OF JULY. BUT, UH, THE, THE SAD SIDE OF IT IS, IS I WAS DOING THE MATH ON THE TOTAL COST OF THIS CARNIVAL AND FOR US TO PUT ON THIS CARNIVAL, IT'S UPWARDS OF $72,000. A TUP ALONE IS 38,251. AND IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE CITY AND, AND POSSIBLY HELP. THE FIREWORKS ALONE ARE $17,500 FOR 20 MINUTES. AND WE THINK IT'S ONE OF THE BEST SHOWS THERE ARE. BUT I'M [00:10:01] HERE TONIGHT TO PLEAD IT TO ALL, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO PLEASE HELP US AND PLEASE CAN WE SIT DOWN WITH WHOEVER WE NEED TO SIT WITH AND WORK THIS OUT TO WHERE IF WE ARE PARTNERS, WE CAN SHARE THE COST AND DO THIS AND MAKE IT A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY EVENT LIKE IT ALREADY IS. AND, AND ANOTHER THING THAT IT KIND OF BOTHERS ME A LITTLE BIT IS THERE'S A LOT OF OVERTIME, A LOT OF OVERTIME, HOURS CHARGED BY THE CITY. AND I, I HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THAT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ALL PLEASE, PLEASE HELP US TO DO THIS CARNIVAL. 'CAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE NONPROFIT. EVERYTHING WE MAKE GOES RIGHT BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, ALL SPORTS, EVERYTHING. SO I'M ASKING YOU, PLEADING WITH YOU THAT WE, WE WORK TOGETHER. I'LL MEET WITH ANY ONE OF YOU. YOU CAN CALL ME. I'M AVAILABLE TWENTY FOUR SEVEN. LET'S MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND MAKE IT A BIGGER AND BETTER CARNIVAL THAN EVER. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR WE WERE DOWN 40%. SO LAST YEAR WE MADE NOTHING. OH, PLEASE HELP US. OKAY, THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE PURITA JAVIER, UH, CESAR JAVIER, AND THEN, UH, KEL POLANCO. GOOD EVENING. I AM PURITA JAVIER WITH MY HUSBAND CESAR, HERE WITH TING SEVEN SEVEN COMMUNITY RESIDENTS ADVOCACY CA. UM, WHAT'S THIS VOLUNTEER ON? COMMUNITY SUSTAINABILITY CITY, SAN DIEGO. UM, DISTRICT NINE UNDER CONSULAR EL RIVERA. AND, UM, THANK YOUR COUNSELOR YEMEN ANI, OUR COUNSELOR BECAUSE YOU WILL TALK TO HIM, YOUR COLLEAGUE. WHAT WAS HIS RESPONSE? AND, UM, THANK YOU TO CONOR WORSHIP WAS, UH, FOR COMING TO OUR HOUSE. AND SO FOR YOURSELF, HOW WE DRAWING. UM, NEXT DOORS HAS HEARD US ON BUSINESS EMITTING POISON GAS FROM CERAMICS KILN. THANK YOU TOO FOR STEPPING DOWN ON AND AS CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU. NOW CESAR. THANK YOU SIRS. MS. DAMES, WE ARE HERE AND WE PROMISE TO BE PRESENT EVERY COUNCIL MEETING, IF ONLY TO SOUND THE ALARM OR LET'S SAY TO, UH, NOT ONLY WE SHALL, BUT UH, SHOUT TO EVERYONE THAT WE ARE FACING UNSEEN. ENEMY AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT WAS SO ORGANIZED BY THE STATE GOVERNMENT. AND SO ONE DAY THIS MAYOR, TA GLORIA DISGUISED AS SAID, AN ENVIRONMENTALIST TOOK IT OUT FROM THE COUNTY IN 2019. AND WHAT IS GOING ON NOW? THEY ONLY TOOK READING USING THEIR NOSE. ALL TIWAN, RIVER POLLUTION, CRISIS, SMELLS ROTTEN EGG IN JULY OF 2024. YOU WERE THERE, SIR. AND THEN CAME THEIR EQUIPMENT. SO EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT, OH, THE THRESHOLD IS TOO, TOO HIGH. I THINK THIS CHEMICAL, POISON CHEMICAL [00:15:01] IS HYDROGEN SALT PIPE. YOU KNOW, THE AIR IS COMPOSED OF HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN. 1% ADULTERATION WOULD CREATE WHAT WE CALL AIR POLLUTION. AND THIS IS NOW THE UNSEEN ENEMY, THE THING WE TOUCH, THE WATER WE DRINK, THE FOOD WE EAT. THIS IS THE UNSEEN ENEMY BECAUSE THE PATHOGENS ALREADY HAD BEEN DESTROYING OURSELVES. AND THAT'S THE TRUTH BECAUSE OF MAN'S INVENTION DISGUISED AS DEVELOPMENT, PROGRESS, PROSPERITY. LET'S LOOK BACK. THIS IS OUR ENEMY. THIS IS OUR EVIDENCE BY SCIENTISTS AND AUTHORS. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. I HOPE YOU HEARD US, SIR BRUCE. OKAY, LET'S DO SOMETHING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, MICKEL POLANCO, FOLLOWED BY MCCARTHY, FOLLOWED BY NATIONAL CITY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. I'M HERE TO GIVE, UH, RON MORRISON A REPORT CARD FOR 2020. UH, FIVE. I AM A LITTLE LATE. UH, IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO GO OVER THE BUDGET ETHICS. UM, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT I'M REPORTING ON, UH, BUDGET. I GIVE RON MORRISON AN F 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE $9 MILLION IN THE DEFICIT ETHICS. I GIVE HIM AN F BECAUSE WE ARE SUING THE CITY BECAUSE OF HIM INTERFERING WITH THE LEGAL PROCESS OF DOING BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY CAMPAIGN. I GIVE HIM AN A BECAUSE ALL HE DOES IS SHOW UP, GET THE MICROPHONE, TAKE A PICTURE, POST IT ON FACEBOOK, AND EAT THE PEOPLE'S FOOD. EMPLOYEES MORALE. I GIVE HIM AN F BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HOLD THE SAME STANDARDS FOR HIS ASSISTANT AS HE DOES FOR THE REST OF THE EMPLOYEES. BROWN ACT VIOLATION. THERE'S BEEN MANY. I GIVE HIM AN F PRAS. THERE'S HUNDREDS OF PRAS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED, NOT ONLY FROM US, BUT FROM OTHER AGENCIES AND FROM OTHER PEOPLE. SAFETY. I GIVE HIM AN F. THERE'S BEEN TWO ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED ON SWEETWATER ROAD OVER TWO YEARS AGO, AND HE HAS DONE NOTHING. BEING THE HEAD OF THE CITY THAT'S VERY SHAMEFUL AND MORE SHAMEFUL IS YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS ALLOWING IT A SMOOTH TALKING. HE GETS AN A BECAUSE HE'S A MASTER MANIPULATOR AND KNOWS HOW TO SELL HIMSELF. AND ALL HE DOES IS TRIPS AND CONFERENCES PAID AND PROVIDED BY OTHER AGENCIES. WHILE THE PEOPLE OF NATIONAL NATIONAL CITY ARE PAYING FOR HIS HIGH WAGES TO ATTEND THESE CONFERENCES, I'M ASKING MARCUS BUSH AND LOUIS MOLINA TO PLEASE STOP COLLUDING WITH HIM AND PLEASE HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY, OF NATIONAL CITY. PLEASE HELP US HAVE NO CORRUPTION IN NATIONAL CITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE MCCARTHY, FOLLOWED BY NATIONAL CITY CHAMBER, FOLLOWED BY DAISY AAR FABULOUSLY SAID, RON MORRISON, PAY ATTENTION. PLEASE PAY ATTENTION BECAUSE THE PEOPLE OF NATIONAL CITY HAVE ISSUED YOUR REPORT CARD FOR HONESTY. YOU HAVE THE FAILING GRADE OF AN F FOR OBJECTIVITY. YOU HAVE A FAILING GRADE OF AN F FOR FAIRNESS. ANOTHER F WHY HAVE YOU RECEIVED THESE FAILING GRADES? HERE ARE THE REASONS YOU HELP DEVELOPERS WHO DO NOT LIVE IN NATIONAL CITY. PUSH THROUGH A PUBLIC NUISANCE DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF A SERVICE STATION, A CONVENIENCE STORE, A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT, A DRIVE THROUGH CAR WASH, A FIVE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ABOVE A 12 GAS PUMP IN A PEACEFUL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THEN YOU LIED TO THE PEOPLE OF NATIONAL CITY AND CLAIMED THAT WHAT YOU DID WAS GIVE GENERAL INFORMATION AND HELP WHEN IN FACT YOU WERE THE RAMROD FOR THE PROJECT. THAT'S WHY YOU GOT A FAILING GRADE FOR HONESTY. WHY DID YOU RECEIVE A FAILING GRADE FOR OBJECTIVITY? YOUR ASSISTANT SEXUALLY ASSAULTED AN EMPLOYEE AND WAS THE SUBJECT OF A HUMAN RESOURCES ENFORCEMENT ACTION, WHICH YOU MISCHARACTERIZED AND MISSTATED THE VIOLATION. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE AN F GRADE FOR OBJECTIVITY. WHILE YOU WERE HELPING DEVELOPERS WHO DO NOT LIVE IN NATIONAL CITY, WHO PUBLIC NUISANCE PROJECT WOULD INFLICT SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE ON OUR HISTORIC LA VISTA MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY, YOU ATTACK THE VICTIMS BY CLAIMING THEY DO NOT LIVE IN NATIONAL CITY. OUR CEMETERY WOULD BE DIRECTLY INJURED AS A RESULT OF THE PUBLIC NEWS DEVELOPMENT. [00:20:01] AND YET YOU ATTACK THE VICTIMS FOR NOT LIVING IN NATIONAL CITY. THOUGH MY CHILDREN GREW UP IN NATIONAL CITY WHILE IGNORING THE FACT THAT THE DEVELOPERS ALSO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT WHO SHOW NO AFFECTION FOR THE CITY. THANK YOU. ARE YOU STATING THOSE THINGS FOR THE RECORD AS FACTUAL? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT WE HAVE THE NATIONAL CITY, UH, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, FOLLOWED BY DAISY ALTAR, FOLLOWED BY ALEXANDER FERNANDEZ. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MORRISON, CITY COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER AND CITY STAFF. KAREN ZAKAR. MCMANUS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NATIONAL CITY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. I'M PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THAT SPRING FAIR IS TOMORROW WILL BE TAKING PLACE AT ON WEDNESDAY, APRIL 22ND, BETWEEN 10 AND 11:00 AM UM, AT SOUTHWESTERN COLLEGE. MM-HMM . THIS EVENT IS FREE FOR JOB SEEKERS, WHICH WILL INCLUDE RESUME, WORKSHOPS, INTERVIEW TIPS, AND THE EVENT WILL START AT 10 O'CLOCK. WE HAVE OVER 50 EMPLOYERS WHO WILL BE PARTICIPATING WITH THEIR REPRESENTATIVES IN THE FOLLOWING INDUSTRIES. RETAIL, HEALTHCARE, HOSPITALITY, MARITIME BANK BANKING, LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE JOB SEEKERS CAN APPLY ON SITE. WE ENCOURAGE APPLICANTS TO BRING PLENTY OF RESUMES AND OF COURSE, TRUST FOR SUCCESS. WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK SOUTHWESTERN COLLEGE FOR HOSTING AND ASSISTING WITH THE ORGANIZING OF THIS JOB FAIR. AND WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY FOR YOUR SPONSORSHIP OF THIS AMAZING EVENT, WHICH WILL OFFER LOCAL JOBS TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALEXANDER FERNANDEZ FOLLOWED BY, UH, DELI VAN. I'M SORRY, DID I? YEAH. DAISY. I'M SORRY. DAISY THEN ALEXANDER. VERY GOOD. HELLO? COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, UH, BEING PROPOSED ON HIGHLAND. AND I, UM, I'M OPPOSED TO THAT, UM, DEVELOPMENT. UM, IT'S A SMALL PIECE OF LAND, LESS THAN 24, 2400 SQUARE FEET, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD TWO HOMES. UM, JUST ON THIS, ON HIGHLAND AND I YOU SAID FIFTH? FIFTH. OH, FIFTH. FIFTH, OKAY. FIFTH AND NINTH. OKAY. YES. FIFTH AND NINTH. YEAH, THEY SAID NINTH. SORRY. OKAY. AND, UM, UH, AS A NURSE, I THINK ABOUT SAFETY, UM, BEING, I THINK ABOUT FIRE HAZARD IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY. HOW ARE, UH, PEOPLE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET OUT QUICKLY? UM, AND THEN I ALSO THINKING ABOUT PARKING. THERE'S ALREADY VERY, IT'S ALREADY VERY CROWDED AND NOT BEING AND ADDING TWO MORE HOMES IS GONNA GET WORSE. UM, THEY WANNA GET A VARIANCE, BUT ALREADY SEE, THERE'S ALREADY LAWS IN PLACE THAT PREVENT THIS, BUT I KNOW THEY'RE TRYING TO, UM, GET A VARIANCE. SO I'M OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND, UH, REALLY, UH, ASK YOU GUYS TO PLEASE RECONSIDER THIS FOR WHEN YOU GUYS DO BRING IT IN THE AGENDA. OKAY. THANK YOU. I DO BELIEVE THAT ITEM IS COMING BACK ON OUR AGENDA FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE KNOW THE DATE ON THAT ONE? HUH? MARTIN? MAY. MAY, YEAH. MARTIN, UH, MARY, IF YOU WILL, UH, MARTIN MADE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. THIS WAS A NOTICE OF DECISION THAT GOT PULLED BY THE COUNCIL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. WE'D INITIALLY INTENDED TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA FROM MAY 5TH, BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEIR, THEIR ARCHITECT IS, THEY ARE WORKING ON ADDITIONAL PLANS OR CHANGED PLANS. SO WE'RE GONNA, UH, PROBABLY MAY 19TH IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE DAY, BUT THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE GOING OUT TO EVERYONE WITHIN 300 FEET. OKAY. SO MOST LIKELY THE SECOND MEETING IN MAY, IT WILL BE COMING AS A PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, ALEXANDER FERNANDEZ BE FOLLOWED BY DEIS VAN. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, MY NAME IS ALEXANDER FERNANDEZ, AND I'M SPEAKING ON THE SAME TOPIC THAT IS ON FIFTH STREET IN BETWEEN HIGHLAND AND I. UM, I DO OPPOSE THIS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO THE FACT THAT IT SHALL NOT, BUT WILL IMPACT MY LIFE. UM, AND THAT OF MY WIFE AND THAT OF MY NEIGHBORS LIVING IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS. UH, FIRST OFF, THE LOT IS QUITE SMALL AND ALREADY DOES NOT MEET STATE, LOCAL, AND FEDERAL CODES. UM, SECOND, UH, I KNOW IT, UH, THE PORTRAYED BUILDING WILL INFRINGE UPON MY PROPERTY GIVING, UH, WHI, WHICH GOES AGAINST SB NINE, UM, PROJECTS FOR UNITS AND ADUS THAT STATE, QUOTE, LOCAL AGENCIES CANNOT REQUIRE MORE THAN FOUR FEET SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS FOR ELIGIBLE PROJECTS. ALSO, UH, ACCORDING TO THE FIRE SEPARATION TITLE, 24 STRUCTURES WITHIN THREE FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE MUST HAVE ONE HOUR FORCE RATED CONSTRUCTION. [00:25:01] UH, THE PEOPLE AND OR GROUP ASKING FOR THIS VARIANCE FROM THE CITY MUST ALREADY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE IN CLEAR VIOLATION. THAT'S WHY THEY MUST BE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE. I HAVE TAKEN THE LIBERTY TO, UH, PRESENT THIS, UH, TO THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY WITH A NOTARIZED LETTER STATING THAT IF THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, I WOULD SEEK COUNSEL AND I'VE ALREADY HAVE. SO, IF YOU DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS MOVING FORWARD, PLEASE CONTACT MARINE LAW GROUP AT 6 1 9 3 7 3 87 52. ONCE AGAIN, THAT IS MARINE LAW GROUP AT 6 1 9 3 7 3 8 7 2. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE DICE, AND AFTER THAT WE'LL TAKE THE FIRST TWO OFF OF ZOOM. UH, SO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE. UH, MY NAME IS DELISE AND I'M PROUD TO BE PART OF INCLUSIVE KIDS NETWORK. UM, SO RECENTLY WE'VE BEEN INCLUDING MORE CHILDREN TO THE, TO THE GROUP. AND ALSO WE'VE DECIDED TO CREATE A JAPANESE CALLIGRAPHY COURSE FOR THE CHILDREN. UH, SO THIS WOULD BE A SIX WEEK COURSE, AND WE'VE DECIDED TO INCLUDE OTHER, UM, RESOURCES FOR THE CHILDREN, UM, AS WE'RE LOOKING FOR PROPERTY TO, UM, HAVE CHILDREN COME. SO, YES, IT'S BEEN, UM, DEVELOPING WELL, AND I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT IT'S BEEN IMPROVING. AND SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UM, YES. UM, YEAH, THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, READY FOR THE ZOOM? TERRY SKELLY. GOOD EVENING, NATIONAL CITY, CITY COUNCIL MAYOR MORRISON. MY NAME IS TERRY ANN SKELLY, AS A COMMUNITY VOLUNTEER WITH OUR YOUTH AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS. AND AS A PARENT TO YOUNG ADULTS, I FEEL LIKE MY OBSERVATIONS REGARDING CITY DECISIONS THAT SUPPORT THEM ARE IMPORTANT. HOW A SOCIETY TREATS ITS MOST VULNERABLE MEMBERS REVEALS ITS TRUE NATURE, OR AS IT CAN BE STATED, THE WAY A SOCIETY CARES FOR AND PROTECTS ITS CHILDREN IS A STRONG INDICATOR OF ITS OVERALL MORALITY, VALUES, AND LEVEL OF CIVIL CIVILIZATION. SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING IT POSSIBLE FOR A PARENT AND COMMUNITY VOLUNTEER LIKE ME TO SPEAK TO YOU ON ZOOM. THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH WROTE THAT SUICIDE IS THE SECOND LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH AMONG ADOLESCENTS AND YOUTH AGES 15 TO 24, TEEN AND YOUNG ADULTS. MENTAL HEALTH IS A COMPLEX SITUATION. HOWEVER, THE RISKS OF TODAY'S HIGH POTENCY, THC, MARIJUANA PRODUCTS MUST NEVER BE OVERLOOKED. HOPEFULLY, OUR CITY COUNCIL CAN BE COUNTED AMONG THOSE TRUSTED ADULTS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HARMFUL EFFECTS OF ITS SALE AND CONSUMPTION, AND NOT ENLARGE THE FOOTPRINT OF MARIJUANA STOREFRONTS HERE IN NATIONAL CITY AND REDUCE POT BUSINESSES IMPACT ON OUR YOUTH WITH ITS PREDATORY ADVERTISEMENTS AND BILLBOARD. THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY CONCERNS THIS EVENING. THANK YOU, BECKY. WRAP. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BECKY WRAP AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SHARE WITH YOU YET ANOTHER STUDY FOCUSED ON THE DETRIMENTAL IMPACTS MARIJUANA USE HAS ON THE DEVELOPING BRAIN. THIS WEEK, A UC SAN DIEGO STUDY WAS PUBLISHED. RESEARCHERS FOLLOWED MORE THAN 11,000 CHILDREN NATIONWIDE. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY? YES. YES, GO AHEAD. THEY WERE STARTING WITH AGES NINE AND 11. UM, AND THIS WAS OVER A SEVEN YEAR PERIOD. RESEARCHERS USED REPEATED COGNITIVE TESTING TO MEASURE, TO MEASURE SKILLS LIKE MEMORY, ATTENTION, AND PROCESSING SPEED, THINGS LIKE RECALLING WORD LISTS, IDENTIFYING PATTERNS QUICKLY, AND SEQUENCING INFORMATION. WHAT THEY FOUND CANNOT BE IGNORED. ALL ADOLESCENTS WHO USED MARIJUANA SHOWED A CONSISTENTLY SLOWER PACE OF COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT COMPARED TO THEIR PEERS. THIS STUDY STANDS OUT BECAUSE IT DID NOT RELY SOLELY ON SELF-REPORTING. IT INCLUDED TOXICOLOGY TESTING, HAIR, URINE, AND SALIVA SAMPLES, AND FOUND THAT ABOUT ONE IN THREE YOUTH DID NOT DISCLOSE THEIR MARIJUANA USE. THAT HAS SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES FOR HOW WE UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF THE SITUATION. I URGED THIS COUNCIL TO PRIORITIZE [00:30:01] PREVENTION AND EDUCATION, ENSURE ACCOUNTABILITY IN EXISTING MARIJUANA PROGRAMS, AND INVITE LOCAL HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS TO SHARE WHAT THEY'RE SEEING FIRSTHAND IN OUR CITY. IF WE CONTINUE TO MINIMIZE OR OVERLOOK THESE FINDINGS, THE LONG-TERM IMPACTS WILL SHOW UP, NOT JUST IN DATA, BUT IN THE CLASSROOM, IN OUR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SYSTEM AND IN THE LIVES OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE. MAYOR, DID YOU GET THAT? ARE YOU GUYS OKAY? YES. THANK YOU. PEGGY WALKER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, I'M SORRY THAT, UM, THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER WAS KIND OF INTERRUPTED DURING HER TALK, BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. AS A PUBLIC HEALTH EDUCATOR AND YOUTH MENTOR, I FOLLOW DRUG TRENDS IMPACTING YOUNG PEOPLE, INCLUDING REVIEW OF SCIENTIFIC STUDIES, RESEARCH, AND ARTICLES ON MARIJUANA. THESE PAST MY DESK DAILY, 99% OF THEM REPORT MARIJUANA'S ADVERSE EFFECTS ON DEVELOPING DRAIN BRAINS AND UNDER SCORE CONCERNS THAT YOUNG PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING LIFE-CHANGING CONSEQUENCES FROM WIDESPREAD MARIJUANA ACCESS AND USE. I TOO READ THIS VERY ALARMING STUDY BY UCSD SCHOOL OF MEDICINE. I FOUND THAT TEENAGERS USING CANNABIS SHOWS LOWER GAINS IN THINKING AND MEMORY SKILLS AS THEY GROW COMPARED TO NON-USERS. AN IMPORTANT FINDING WAS THAT THESE TEENS PERFORMED AS WELL ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS WHEN YOUNGER. BUT AS THEY GOT OLDER AND STARTED USING CANNABIS, THEIR PROGRESS LEVELED OFF WHILE THEIR PEERS CONTINUE TO IMPROVE. THC NOW MORE POTENT THAN EVER WAS IDENTIFIED AS THE DRIVER OF THE PERFORMANCE CHANGES. BECAUSE THE BRAIN IS RAPIDLY DEVELOPING UNTIL AGE 25. EVEN SMALL CHANGES IN MEMORY, ATTENTION OR THINKING CAN AFFECT SCHOOL PERFORMANCE, DAILY LIFE, AND FUTURE PERFORMANCE. SO I BRING THIS INFORMATION FORWARD TO URGE YOU AS A COUNCIL AND DECISION MAKERS TO FOLLOW THE SCIENCE BECAUSE IT SHOULD INFORM POLICY DECISIONS IF CHILDREN ARE ARE PRIORITY, AS THEY SHOULD BE. EVERY POLICY SHOULD PROMOTE YOUTH WELLBEING, EVEN IF IT ENTAILS RECONSIDERATION OF CURRENT MARIJUANA POLICIES. THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY CONCERNS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. DID YOU WANNA CONTINUE WITH THE ZOOM COMMENTS OR WE WILL TAKE, TAKE THOSE AT THE END OF THE MEETING, THE RE THE REMAINDER OF THEM. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THAT ENDS OUR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME. NEXT WE GO INTO [6.1 Annual Report - Board of Library Trustees] OUR REPORTS AND WE HAVE, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE THE, UH, LIBRARY, UH, BOARD OF TRUSTEES. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. YOU'RE GONNA HELP ME WITH THE SLIDES. OKAY. UM, WELL, ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF LIBRARY TRUSTEES, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. THANK YOU. UH, MY NAME IS RIA RIVERA MORENO, AND I AM THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE. THE NATIONAL CITY PUBLIC LIBRARY CONTINUES TO GROW AS A VITAL COMMUNITY HUB, PROVIDING ACCESS TO RESOURCES, SUPPORTING EDUCATION IN CREATING A MEANINGFUL CONNECTION FOR RESIDENTS OF ALL AGES. OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE SEEN NOT JUST GROWTH, BUT TRANSFORMATION BY EXPANDING SERVICES, INCREASING ENGAGEMENT, AND MEETING COMMUNITY NEEDS IN INNOVATIVE AND IMPACTFUL WAYS. THIS YEAR, THE LIBRARY MADE A MEASURABLE AND MEANINGFUL IMPACT ACROSS OUR COMMUNITY. WE CIRCULATED OVER 265,000 ITEMS. WELCOME NEARLY 138,000 IN-PERSON VISITS AND SOME MORE THAN 60,000 WEBSITE VISITS. TODAY WE SERVE APPROXIMATELY 13,000 ACTIVE LIBRARY CARDHOLDERS. BEYOND THAT, WE SUPPORTED 18,500 PROGRAM PARTICIPANTS, PROVIDED OVER 22,000 COMPUTER SESSIONS AND ANSWERED NEARLY 38,000 REFERENCE QUESTIONS, HELPING RESIDENTS ACCESS INFORMATION, TECHNOLOGY AND SERVICES EVERY SINGLE DAY. OUR COLLECTION NOW EXCEEDS 218,000 ITEMS, ENSURING BROAD AND EQUITABLE ACCESS TO BOOKS, MEDIA, AND DIGITAL RESOURCES. THESE NUMBERS REPRESENT MORE THAN USAGE. THEY REPRESENT TRUST. [00:35:01] OUR COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO RELI ON THE LIBRARY AS AN ESSENTIAL WELCOMING AND ACCESSIBLE RESOURCE. THE LIBRARY IS MORE THAN A PLACE, IT'S A SPACE WHERE OUR COMMUNITY COMES TOGETHER. WE HOSTED A WIDE RANGE OF EVENTS THAT CELEBRATED CULTURE, CREATIVITY, AND CONNECTION FROM HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH WITH BILINGUAL STORY TIMES AND LIVE MARIACHI MUSIC TO FILIPINO AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH, FEATURING CULTURAL PERFORMANCES AND INTERACTIVE ACTIVITIES, WHICH REFLECTED THE DIVERSITY IN VIBRANCY OF NATIONAL CITY, OUR HALLOWEEN SPECTACULAR, AND WHO WILL CELEBRATION, BROUGHT FAMILIES TOGETHER THROUGH FUN, LITERACY FOCUSED EXPERIENCES. WHILE OUR EASTER EGG HUNT WELCOME OVER 350 RESIDENTS FOR A DAY OF COMMUNITY CONNECTION. WE ALSO CELEBRATED A MAJOR MILESTONE, A 20TH ANNIVERSARY, BRINGING TOGETHER HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS, COMMUNITY PARTNERS, AND CITY DEPARTMENTS TO CELEBRATE THE LIBRARY'S LASTING IMPACT. THESE EVENTS DON'T JUST ENTERTAIN, THEY BUILD COMMUNITY FOSTER INCLUSION AND CREATE LASTING MEMORIES FOR OUR RESIDENTS. AT THE HEART OF THE LIBRARY, OUR PROGRAMS THAT TRULY MAKE A DIFFERENCE. OUR FAMILY LITERACY PROGRAM CONTINUES TO GROW NOW SERVING OVER 90 FAMILIES THROUGH READING KITS, VIDEOS, AND IN-PERSON EVENTS. THE PROGRAM SUPPORT SUPPORTS BOTH CHILDREN AND PARENTS IN BUILDING LITERACY SKILLS TOGETHER. WE'VE ALSO PARTNERED WITH OUR CITY'S FIRE AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS, HELPING FAMILIES CONNECT WITH LOCAL PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES IN MEANINGFUL AND ENGAGING WAYS. OUR SUMMER READING PROGRAM ENGAGED OVER 400 PARTICIPANTS THIS YEAR, OFFERING HANDS-ON WORKSHOPS, PERFORMANCES AND INCENTIVES THAT MAKE READING FUN AND ACCESSIBLE FOR ALL AGES. AND THROUGH OUR FRIENDSHIP CLUB, WE'VE CREATED AN INCLUSIVE AND A WELCOMING SPACE FOR ADULTS AND DIVERSE ABILITIES IN THEIR CAREGIVERS. ONE OF OUR MOST MEANINGFUL AND WELL ATTENDED PROGRAMS. THESE PROGRAMS DEMONSTRATE HOW THE LIBRARY SUPPORTS NOT JUST EDUCATION, BUT CONNECTION, INCLUSION, AND OPPORTUNITY. WE ARE ALSO REDEFINING WHAT A LIBRARY CAN BE BY EXPANDING ACCESS IN INNOVATIVE WAYS. OUR UTILIZE TOOL LIBRARY, THE FIRST OF ITS KIND IN THE REGION, HAS QUICKLY GROWN TO INCLUDE OVER 200 TOOLS WITH MORE THAN 260 USERS AND OVER 1300 CHECKOUTS. IT HAS RECENTLY, UH, BEEN FEATURED BY KPBS, BRINGING REGIONAL ATTENTION AND SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. THROUGH OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH ARTS, WE TRANSFORM OUR CHILDREN'S SPACES WITH VIBRANT YOUTH CREATED ARTWORK, CREATING A WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT, AND A LASTING LEGACY FOR OUR COMMUNITY. PROGRAMS LIKE LUNCH AND LEARN AT THE LIBRARY PROVIDED 745 MEALS THIS YEAR, UH, THIS SUMMER, EXCUSE ME, ADDRESSING FOOD INSECURITY WHILE KEEPING YOUTH CONNECTED TO LEARNING. AND THROUGH LINK PLUS AND DISCOVERING GO, WE CONTINUE TO EXPAND ACCESS, CONNECTING RESIDENTS TO RESOURCES, MUSEUMS, AND OPPORTUNITIES FAR BEYOND OUR WALLS. WE'VE ALSO EXPANDED OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS BY PARTICIPATING IN PROGRAMS LIKE READ ACROSS AMERICA, HOSTING LITERACY NIGHTS WITH SCHOOL, UH, LOCAL SCHOOLS, WELCOMING MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS FOR TOURS, MANY OF WHOM SIGN UP FOR THEIR VERY FIRST LIBRARY CARD. FROM JOB FAIRS TO SCHOOL PARTNERSHIPS. THESE EFFORTS ENSURE WE ARE MEETING PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE AND CONNECTING THEM TO THE SERVICES AND RESOURCES THEY NEED. THE NATIONAL CITY PUBLIC LIBRARY IS MORE THAN A BUILDING, IT'S A CORNERSTONE FOR OF OUR COMMUNITY. THROUGH INNOVATION, STRONG PARTNERSHIPS AND DEEP COMMITMENT TO ACCESS AND INCLUSION, THE LIBRARY CONTINUES TO EVOLVE AND MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS. WE ARE PROUD OF THE PROGRESS MADE THIS YEAR AND EXCITED ABOUT WHAT LIES AHEAD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT, AND WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MS. LYDIA. CHAIR LYDIA. LYDIA MEDIAD. YES. MEDIA. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. YES, ABSOLUTELY WELCOME. THE, THE LIBRARY IS CERTAINLY A, UH, POINT OF PRIDE. UH, IT'S IN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY AND IT'S WONDERFUL TO RECEIVE, UH, THE INFORMATION YOU SHARED. YOU KNOW, ONE PIECE THAT I DIDN'T SEE HIGHLIGHTED IS THE, UH, GRANTS, UH, THE AMOUNT OF GRANTS THAT I KNOW THE TEAM AND STAFF FOCUS ON AND BRING IN, UH, IN ORDER TO HELP YES. FUND A LOT OF THESE PROGRAMS. THAT'S A BIG PLUS. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE EFFORT, UH, AND I HOPE THAT YOU CONTINUE TO DO THE WORK THAT YOU DO. UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING, UH, VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME. YES. UH, ON THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES, AND, UH, I'M VERY PROUD OF ALL THE WORK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NO ONE ELSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ON THE, UH, [6.2 Annual Report - Community and Police Relations Commission] CPRC, THE COMMUNITY AND POLICE RELATIONS COMMISSION, UH, MAYOR MORRISON, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, CITY STAFF, NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS, AND ON BEHALF OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU ALL TONIGHT TO OFFER OUR 2025 ANNUAL REPORT OF THE WORK OF THE CPRC. UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE CPRC MEETS QUARTERLY, AND SO THIS REPORT COVERS THOSE FOUR MEETINGS HELD IN FEBRUARY, MAY, AUGUST AND NOVEMBER OF 2025. UM, IMPORTANTLY, [00:40:01] WE HAD A VERY CONSISTENT MEMBERSHIP IN THE COMMISSION OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. AND WE ONLY HAD ONE POSITION THAT CHANGED HANDS WITH A MEMBER WHO JOINED AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY LEFT AND, UH, HAD A REPLACEMENT MADE. SO, CONSISTENCY IN MEMBERSHIP AND THE LEADERSHIP, UM, AS WELL AS WITHIN THE COMPLAINT REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE. UM, THAT SUBCOMMITTEE IS WHERE A LOT OF THE WORK OF THE COMMISSION GETS DONE. UM, AS THE INDIVIDUALS ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, MYSELF INCLUDED, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW CASES, UM, IN, UH, SORRY, THAT SHOULD BE 2025. APOLOGIES FOR THE TYPO. UM, IN 2025, WE WERE ABLE TO REVIEW 21 CASES, UM, THROUGH BOTH THE COMPLAINT REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE AND THEN, UH, WITH THE FULL COMMISSION. UM, ALL OF THOSE CASES, UH, THAT WERE REVIEWED, RECEIVED A UNANIMOUS VOTE SUPPORTING THE DISPOSITION OF THE NCPD INVESTIGATION. I THINK IMPORTANTLY, THAT SPEAKS TO THE, THE UNITY OF THE COMMISSION IN, UM, REVIEWING THOSE CASES. UM, AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE REVIEWED ALL THE CASES FROM 2024 AND PREVIOUSLY, UM, THAT WAS A GOAL OF OURS FOR 2025, WAS TO GET THROUGH ALL OF THOSE CASES. AND WE DID, UM, SO QUITE AN ACCOMPLISHMENT. UH, SOME CASES, OF COURSE, ARE STILL NOT AVAILABLE DUE TO PENDING INVESTIGATION AND LITIGATION, SO WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF THOSE NECESSARILY. UM, THE LAST POINT ACTUALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED ON THE FIRST SLIDE, BUT I THINK IMPORTANTLY TOO, WE HAD REALLY STRONG COMMISSIONER ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THE MEETINGS. UM, 78% ATTENDANCE, SEVEN FOLKS WHO HAD TO MISS A MEETING FOR, UH, ILLNESS OR FAMILY EMERGENCY. SO ALL THOSE WERE EXCUSED. SO I THINK REALLY IMPORTANTLY, SHOWING THE, THE COMMITMENT OF THE COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME TO BE A PART OF THIS WORK. UM, WE DID AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEND ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS TO THE NACHO CONFERENCE. UM, COMMISSIONER GOMEZ WAS ABLE TO, TO ATTEND, UH, FOR THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW AND REPORT BACK OUT TO THE COMMISSION, UM, WHAT HE HAD LEARNED DURING HIS ATTENDANCE AT THAT, UM, NACHO CONFERENCE. AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO GOALS FOR THIS YEAR, UM, WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO REVIEW ALL THE CASES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US FROM 2025 AS WELL AS 2026. UM, A CONTINUING GOAL OF OURS IS TO INCREASE COMMUNITY AWARENESS ABOUT THE CPRC AND ENGAGEMENT WITH US IN OUR WORK. UM, ATTENDANCE AND MEETINGS SHOWING UP, UM, BEING THERE WITH US. UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO REVIEWING THE CPRC OPERATING PROCEDURES AND BYLAWS. WE MADE SOME REVISIONS TO THOSE THAT WERE APPROVED BY YOU ALL, UH, THE COUNCIL IN 2022. WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES TO FURTHER STRENGTHEN THOSE AND STREAMLINE THOSE TO MAKE THEM MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR THE PUBLIC. AND SO, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, HOPEFULLY CREATING A SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, THIS YEAR TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW AND UPDATE THOSE. UM, AND LASTLY, UH, WE'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, UM, THE, THE PROCESS FOR GETTING AGENDA ITEMS ADDED TO THE CPRC AGENDA IS A BIT CUMBERSOME BECAUSE OF THE QUARTERLY NATURE OF OUR MEETINGS. SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO TRY TO WORK WITHIN THE POLICIES OF THE CITY TO CREATE A MORE STREAMLINED PROCESS, TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW US TO ADD AGENDA ITEMS TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS IN A MORE TIMELY FASHION. SO WITH THAT, I CONCLUDE AND WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE. OKAY. MEMBER BUSH. YES. SO THANK YOU, UH, CHAIR ORT, APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT, UH, YOU ALL DO. UM, AND, AND JUST REAL, REAL QUICK, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE GOT A, A BIG AGENDA ITEM AND I DO LOOK FORWARD TO, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE MEETING IN A COUPLE WEEKS TO TALK ABOUT MORE ISSUES, BUT, UM, JUST IN TERMS OF MY FEEDBACK FOR THE CPRC, APPRECIATE YOUR REVIEW OF CASES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CPRC MORE PROACTIVE, MORE ENGAGED, MORE, UM, EMPOWERED ON ON ISSUES. WE, AS A COUNCIL HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSION, UM, WITH OUR PD ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE, UH, CONTROVERSY, MISUNDERSTANDING THE FEAR, UM, WITH, UH, IMMIGRATION AND SOME OF THE ILLEGAL DETENTIONS AND, UM, AND THE TARGETING OF OUR, UM, UNDOCUMENTED COMMUNITY MEMBERS. SO, I, I, UH, WASN'T SURE WHEN THE NEXT CPRC MEETING IS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, THERE'S, IT, THERE SEEMED TO BE CONSENSUS THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, UH, INFORMATIONAL TOPIC OF DISCUSSION. THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCES AND SENSITIVITY, UH, TO THAT. AND SO THAT, UH, WE HAD A GOOD CON UH, PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION WITH, UH, UH, UM, A PD. AND SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THOSE ISSUES THAT WOULD BE A GOOD VENUE TO DISCUSS. UM, AND THE OTHER, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT MORE IN DETAIL, UH, THIS EVENING, BUT, UH, IT'S COMING AT ITEM 8.3, BUT IT'S THE ANNUAL MILITARY EQUIPMENT USE REPORT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING IN THE PAST THAT I'VE REQUESTED THAT, UM, GETS REVIEWED TO THE CPRC BEFORE IT COMES TO US. UM, SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE WHERE I THINK IT'S A GREAT VENUE TO HAVE MORE, UH, DETAIL, MORE CONVERSATION, UH, FOR YOU, YOU, UH, COMMISSIONERS. UM, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S SAFETY CONCERNS, BUT THERE'S ALSO BUDGET, UH, UH, ITEMS TO CONSIDER WITH THAT. SO I, I JUST THINK THERE'S, UM, UH, THERE'S SOME STUFF YOU COULD DO. UH, JUST SOME GOOD DISCUSSIONS YOU CAN HAVE THERE. AND THAT FEEDBACK COULD HELP US ON CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN JUST, UH, KINDA RESPONDING TO, UH, YOUR, UM, COMMENT ABOUT, UH, THE SOMETIMES DIFFICULTY IN GENDERIZING ITEMS. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT IT'S [00:45:01] MORE SIMPLE, AND I KNOW AS SERVING A, ON A COMMISSION MYSELF, THAT SOMETIMES, LIKE, THERE, THERE HAS BEEN DIFFICULTY AND IT'S CONFUSION ON WHAT THE POWER OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE. SO, I MEAN, FOR ME, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU'RE CHAIR AND YOU CAN SET THE AGENDA, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WORK WITH OUR, UH, CITY ATTORNEY, UH, MOVING FORWARD AND, AND JUST CLARIFY, UH, SOME OF THOSE, UH, UH, THE, THE, THOSE, THOSE QUESTIONS AND PARAMETERS. AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR, UM, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE ATTORNEY, BUT I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR A WHILE, TO BE HONEST. AND SO I, I WOULD ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO SOME POINT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. SO THERE'S NOT A HOLD UP BECAUSE THIS, OUR COMMUNITY POLICE RELATIONS COMMISSION IS TO BE OVERSIGHT AND TO BE, YOU KNOW, ENGAGING. AND I JUST, IN THE PAST, I HAVE SEEN, UH, THEM STONEWALLED BY STAFF AND I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT. SO, YEAH. UM, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH, I SHOULD SAY, YEAH, OUR NEXT MEETING. UM, IT'S ALWAYS THE THIRD THURSDAY OF THE MONTH, UH, IN THOSE FOUR MONTHS. AND SO OUR NEXT MEETING IS THURSDAY, MAY 21ST, WOULD WELCOME FOLKS SHOWING UP AND BEING A PART OF THAT. UM, AND YET TO YOUR, TO YOUR COMMENT, UM, VERY HAPPY TO SERVE AS THE SPACE FOR CONVERSATION INFORMATION SHARING. AND SO THE MORE THAT WE CAN DO AS PART OF THE CPRC, TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AND ENGAGE IN CONVERSATION AROUND THOSE IMPORTANT TOPICS LIKE IMMIGRATION AND THE 8.3, UM, BUDGET ITEM YOU MENTIONED, HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO SUPPORT AND BE A PART OF THAT. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND, AND BY THE WAY, AND SPECIFICALLY, IT'S, UM, A LOT OF THAT, UH, CONVERSATION WAS SHARING INFORMATION, EDUCATING FOLKS ON WHAT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING OUR COMMUNITY AND WE DON'T WANT OUR POLICE BLAMED FOR, YOU KNOW, OUTTA CONTROL IMMIGRATION AGENTS. AND I'LL STOP THERE. I THINK I SHOULD STATE ATTORNEY. DID YOU HAVE COMMENT OR YOU'RE GOOD? NO, I WAS, I WAS GOING TO SAY PART OF THE REVAMP OF THE AGENDA AND THE, OR THE BYLAWS IS TO HELP WITH THE AGENDA PROCESS AND TO ALLOW THE COMMISSION TO HAVE THE TIME TO DO THE WORK THEY NEED TO DO. SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. INTERIM ATTORNEY IS GONNA, WE APPRECIATE YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, CHAIR. OKAY, THAT IS ON THOSE REPORTS. [7. REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS (Limited to Five (5) Minutes each)] NOW WE GO TO REGIONAL REPORTS. ANY COMMITTEE REPORTS, I'LL START DOWN HERE ON MY LEFT. NOTHING TO REPORT, UH, MR. CHAIR, NOTHING TO REPORT MEETINGS NEXT WEEK. OKAY. DOWN HERE WITH, UH, MEMBER BUSH. UH, YES. UH, WE HAD OUR, UH, METROPOLITAN AGENDA SYSTEM MEETING THIS PAST WEEK. UH, THE BIG ITEM WAS A FAIR INCREASE, UH, CONTROVERSIAL. UM, I WAS OPEN TO IT. I WANNA FORM COUNCIL ON THE PUBLIC. I DID VOTE NO ON THE FAIR INCREASE. UH, I THINK THERE WAS STILL SOME OTHER, UH, APPROACHES AND THINGS THAT WE COULD HAVE, UH, UH, LOOKED AT, SUCH AS, UM, MORE TARGETED FEDERAL, UH, UH, FUNDING, UM, OR JUST, UM, NOT IT BEING SUCH A STEEP INCREASE. SO IT DID PASS. SO THAT GOES AS A RECOMMENDATION TO, I THINK, THE SANDAG BOARD. SO JUST WANNA LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE, UM, INCREASES, UM, FOR OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM THAT THAT'S PLANNED TO GO INTO EFFECT, I THINK, UH, TOWARDS THE END OF THIS YEAR. UH, AND THERE HASN'T BEEN INCREASES SINCE 2009. SO THAT WAS PART OF THE JUSTIFICATION. BUT, UH, DID JUST WANNA LET FOLKS KNOW ABOUT THAT. ALRIGHT. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC REPORT ON SANDAG. I WILL BE ATTENDING THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING AGAIN THIS FRIDAY. OKAY. UH, OTHER THING I HAVE IS ON THE, UH, SWEETWATER AUTHORITY. UH, WE HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW, BUT THIS LAST WEEK WE WERE ALSO DEALING WITH A STRATEGIC PLAN. AND, UH, LOOKING AT THAT OVER, UH, FOR THIS NEXT YEAR, WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED IN, IN THE LAST YEAR AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TOWARDS FOR THE NEXT YEAR. UH, THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE TO REPORT WITH THAT. WE [8. CONSENT CALENDAR] GO INTO CONSENT CALENDAR, WHICH ARE ITEMS EIGHT, ONE THROUGH EIGHT, NINE. WE HAVE REQUEST TO PULL 8, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, AND NINE. SO, COULD I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE REMAINING TWO, WHICH ARE WAIVER OF READING AND THE MINUTES? NO MOVE, MR. MAY SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. WE'LL [8.3 2025 Annual Military Equipment Use Report] START OFF WITH EIGHT THREE. THIS IS THE ANNUAL, UH, THE 2025 ANNUAL MILITARY EQUIPMENT USE REPORT. UH, MR. UH, CESAR JAVIER? YES, SIR. SIR. UH, MS. DAMES, IN MY HUMBLE EXPERIENCE, UH, WE OBSERVE THIS AND FOR VALUE ANALYSIS, UH, ONE OF WORD OF CAUTION, YOU KNOW, THESE MILITARY EQUIPMENT ARE SO DESIGNED OF HEAVY DUTY, UH, IN, IN NATURE. THEY'RE NOT JUST LIKE TOYOTA OR CADILLAC, BUT [00:50:01] RATHER, BUT ROUGH, HEAVY, TOUGH MOBILITY, FOR EXAMPLE. MM-HMM . DESIGNED TO LAST, AND THEREFORE, MAINTENANCE COST OF PARTS ARE SO EXPENSIVE, PARTICULARLY MAINTENANCE. MM-HMM . AND THAT'S THE ISSUE IN THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO BECAUSE THEY JUST KEEP ON BUYING EQUIPMENT. AND SO MONEY IS EXHAUSTED. I DO NOT KNOW. SO THAT IS ONE VALUE ANALYSIS ON 8.6. CAN I GO FORWARD, SIR? CONSENT? UH, NO, NO. LET'S JUST DO ONE A TIME. YEAH. SO I HAVE YOU STILL 56, UH, ON OTHER EQUIPMENT. DO WE HAVE TO, UH, BUY THEIR, UH, FIREARMS, MILITARY WARES, MUNITION TO SUPPORT THE POLICE? IT THE ONES THAT THEY ARE USING? YES. AND WHETHER IF IT'S DONE WITH, UH, GENERAL FUNDS OR IF IT'S DONE WITH GRANTS, BUT YEAH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT TAKE IT, HUH? THAT, THAT'S NOT THEIR PERSONAL EQUIPMENT. NO. . MY POINT HERE IS, ARE WE TRYING TO PREPARE TO DEFEAT THE ENEMY? MM-HMM . WE ARE NOT MM-HMM . SO LET'S USE, UH, WHATEVER BENEFIT FOR SOMETHING ELSE. MM-HMM . LIKE EQUIPMENT TO LIKE THE MILITARY, SHOVEL, MILITARY BUCKETS, AND MILITARY WHEELBARROW TO CLEAN THE MESS AT TIJUANA RIVER POLLUTION, SIR. MM-HMM . IF I MAY MM-HMM . WE KNOW WE NEED THOSE EQUIPMENT. OKAY. LET, LET'S STICK TO THE SUBJECT. OKAY. YES, SIR. MILITARY WARS AND NATIONAL CITY SHOULD SET THE EXAMPLE, HELPING OTHERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. THAT IS EIGHT THREE, UH, THE ANNUAL MILITARY USE REPORT. THIS IS AN ANNUAL REPORT BY LAW. WE HAVE TO PUT OUT, UH, WHAT YOUR PLEASURE. YES. SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SEND THIS ITEM TO THE COMMUNITY POLICE RELATIONS COMMISSION FOR REVIEW BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR BEFORE AND I TALKED TO STAFF AND IT'S NOT LIKE THEY WERE OKAY WITH. SO I'D LIKE, UH, FURTHER REVIEW ON THAT. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. UH, IS QUESTION, QUESTION I WOULD HAVE OF STAFF. IS THERE A TIME THAT THIS HAS TO BE, UH OH, UH, HAS TO BE SUBMITTED? IS THERE A SPECIFIC TIMELINE OR ANYTHING? GOOD AFTERNOON. LIEUTENANT ORTA GONZALEZ WITH THE NATIONAL POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT'S AN ANNUAL REPORT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS AN ACTUAL DEADLINE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ANNUAL AND PUT OUT ANNUALLY. OKAY. SO I'M OKAY. I'M ASSUMING NORMALLY IT WOULD BE LIKE IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF A, OF A YEAR FOR AROUND THIS TIMELINES PREVIOUS YEAR I WAS OKAY. OR WITH THE FISCAL, MY GUESS IS, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WITH THE FISCAL, YES. SO, UH, YEAH. SO, OKAY. SO AS LONG AS THERE IS A MEETING, UH, WHEN, WHEN DID WE JUST SAY IT WAS THE NEXT MEETING COMING UP AT THE, UH, I THINK IT WAS MAY, MAY 20. MAY 19TH. OKAY. IT CAN BE. SO WAS YOUR MOTION THEN THAT, THAT BE DONE AT THAT MEETING AT THE MAY 19TH MEETING? WELL, UH, THAT'S FINE WHEN IT COMES BACK. SO, UH, MY MOTION WAS TO SEND IT TO CPRC BEFORE IT COMES BACK. SO I THINK, SO THE NEXT, THE NEXT MEETING IS GONNA BE IN MAY, MAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S, THAT'S APPROPRIATE TIME TO BRING IT BACK TO US. SO THAT WAY, THAT WAY IT COULD COME BACK TO US, UH, WITH WHATEVER COMES FROM THEM, UH, IN THE JUNE TIMEFRAME. YEAH. AND, AND, AND SO JUST TO ADD SOME MORE DETAIL, UM, I, I REALLY ENCOURAGE, UM, AND PLEASE, I'M ASKING STAFF TO, TO HAVE THIS GO TO CPRC BECAUSE ULTIMATELY LATER ON IT'S A BUDGET, UH, CONVERSATION ITEM. BUT, UM, YEAH, 463,000, UH, FOR THE, THE, THE ARMORED, UH, VEHICLE, WHICH WE DID APPROVE ALREADY, UH, OR IN DECEMBER. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE SHOULD HAVE OUR CPRC REVIEW TOO, UM, AND THEN POTENTIALLY REEVALUATE WHEN THERE'S, UH, WHEN THERE'S BUDGET ISSUES. SO I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO ALL THE DETAIL. THIS IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE CPRC TO DO FIRST. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, WE DO HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? I JUST WANNA ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF MY, UH, COLLEAGUE, UH, BUSH. UM, I DO FEEL THAT THIS ITEM IN PARTICULAR SHOULD GO BACK TO THE, UH, UH, POLICE AND, UH, POLICE RELATIONS COMMISSION. MM-HMM . I UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES THEY HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME, UM, IN ITEMS TO DISCUSS AND TO ANALYZE. THIS SEEMS TO BE RIGHT UP THEIR ALLEY. AND I WOULD LOVE FOR THAT COMMISSION TO REVIEW IT BEFORE IT COMES TO COUNCIL. I KNOW THIS IS A STATE MANDATE, AND IT IS GOOD TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC TO REALIZE WHAT, UH, WHAT EQUIPMENT, UH, WE DO HAVE AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS, UH, SEEN BY, BY THE BROADER PUBLIC. YEAH. I, I DON'T KNOW. UH, LIEUTENANT GONZALES, MAYBE YOU COULD TALK ABOUT JUST THE PROCESS AND THE, UH, NOTIFICATION OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WERE MANDATED TO, TO DO PRIOR. IF YOU CAN COVER THAT, PLEASE. SO, AB 41 WAS PASSED INTO LAW [00:55:01] IN 20 JANUARY 21ST, 2022. UH, WHICH MANDATES THAT WE PUT OUT A, A REPORT ON WHAT MILITARY EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE. AND PART OF THAT PROCESS AS THAT WE, UM, WE DO A COMMUNITY MEETING. IN THAT COMMUNITY MEETING WE PUT OUT, WE REPORT WHAT EQUIPMENT WE HAVE, HOW WE USE IT, UM, AND WE ALSO PUT IN THAT REPORT ANY EQUIPMENT THAT WE MIGHT NEED FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. SO ALL THAT IS ENTAILED IN THAT REPORT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, MEMBER ANI. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I MEAN, I, I, UH, THERE'S NO FISCAL IMPACT THAT I'M SEEING HERE IN THIS REPORT. UM, ALSO, UM, I LIKE THAT WE'RE SHOWING THEM WE HAVE AN ARTILLERY HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO THEY'RE AFRAID OF US THAT WE ARE NOT CHICKENS, WE'RE TIGERS, . UM, HOWEVER, UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF, IF IT IS, UH, UH, A WAY TO EDUCATE OUR CPRC AS WELL, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD AVENUE FOR THEM. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS THING RIGHT. AND HOLD THEM. UM, BUT ANYWAY, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S JUST A PROCESS. MAYBE LIEUTENANT GONZALEZ FOR R-C-P-R-C TO BE INVOLVED, BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY PHYSICAL IMPACT ON THIS. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH. AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S GOOD FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK OVER THE LIST AND SEE WHAT ACTUALLY IT IS. GOOD NUMBER OF THOSE ITEMS. YOU CAN GO UP HERE TO TURNER'S AND BUY THAT ARE IN THAT LIST THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HATE TO SAY IT, BUT YOU DON'T WANT YOUR POLICE FORCE TO BE OUTGUNNED BY THE PEOPLE, WHAT THEY CAN HAVE OUT ON THE STREET. AND SO, UH, THAT'S JUST, JUST A REALITY. UM, BUT ANYWAY, SO YEAH. BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT IT GOES BEFORE THE, THE COMMISSION. I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THAT A, A YEARLY THING SO THAT BEFORE IT COMES BEFORE US, SO THAT EVERYONE GETS TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, ANY HARM IN THAT. SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE. UNANIMOUSLY. THAT WAS EIGHT [8.4 Approval of Agreement for Legal Services with Wright, L’Estrange & Ergastolo – Emergency Ambulance Service Program] THREE. NOW WE GO TO EIGHT FOUR. THIS IS APPROVAL OF AN AGREEMENT FOR LEGAL SERVICES WITH WRIGHT LA ESR AND . SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE THAT ONE FOR OUR EMERGENCY AMBULANCE SERVICE PROGRAM. AND THIS IS, UH, THOMAS REICH. I, I JUST WANT TO INFORM THE PUBLIC AND THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT THE WHITE RAVEN, UH, THIS, YEAH, I COULDN'T PRONOUNCE IT EITHER. ES STRANGE AAL AND THAT, THAT THEIR FEE IS, THAT THEIR JOSEPH ELLOS FEE IS $525 AN HOUR. AND DAVID KONG'S THE ASSOCIATE IS $375 AN HOUR AND THERE'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS LIMIT. AND THIS IS FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR ER DEVELOPMENT OF EMERGENCY AMBULANCE SERVICE PROGRAM. MM-HMM . A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. AND THEIR OFFICES ARE ON WEST BROADWAY. THEIR OFFICES ARE ON WEST BROADWAY. AND I SAY THE LOS ANGELES PEOPLE ARE EXPENSIVE, BUT THE SAN DIEGO PEOPLE ARE MORE EXPENSIVE. $525 AN HOUR. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, COUNSEL, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? THE CHAIR? YES. BEFORE I, UH, UH, MOVE FOR A MOTION, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT HERE. 'CAUSE I HAVE AN EXTENSIVE BRIEFING WITH THE TWO CHIEFS, UM, FOR THIS, UM, ITEM. AND, UM, THIS LEGAL, UH, CONSULTATION IS VERY SPECIFIC MM-HMM . TO THE PROJECT THAT WE ARE, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH MR. RIKER. SO, UM, WITH THAT SAID, I MOVE TO ADAPT OR MOVE TO APPROVED SECOND. OKAY. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, NEXT WE [8.5 Authorizing the Mayor to Execute Three Program Supplement Agreements with Caltrans for Projects Funded by Highway Safety Improvement Program Grants.] GO TO EIGHT FIVE. AND THIS IS AUTHORIZED THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THREE PROGRAM SUPPLEMENT AGREEMENTS WITH CAL TRANSFER PROJECTS FUNDED BY HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM GRANTS, UH, THOMAS REICH TO BE FOLLOWED BY CESAR. UH, CESAR JAVIER. THANK YOU. UH, WHAT I WANT TO POINT OUT ON THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EDGE LINE STRIPPING IS, BUT EDGE LINE STRIPPING FOR TRAFFIC TRAFFIC AND IT'S FROM 16TH, NO, WAIT A SECOND. IT'S, UH, I WON'T GET THAT RIGHT. BUT THERE'S FOUR THERE. THE GRANTS ARE FOR $229,000 [01:00:02] FROM THE STATE, I BELIEVE. AND WE, THE, THE NATIONAL CITY ONLY PAYS $23,000 OR $23,000. IT'S A 10% GRANT. NOW THAT'S A GOOD DEAL. BUT FOUR TRAFFIC CIRCLES I DON'T WANT ON DIVISION STREET. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. WRIGHT. UH, MR. JAVIER. THANK YOU, SIR. MY CLASSMATE, MADAM BOLINA, UH, MY CLASSMATE, UH, SIR RODRIGUEZ, YOU WERE NOT WITH SANDAG. WE ARE THE ONES IN SANDAG. AND SO KNOW WHAT, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. OUR EXPERIENCE AT THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, THIS, THEY COMPUTE VOLUME OF PAVEMENT INSIDE THE STREET, THE COMMUNITY STREET, NOT THE, UH, CONNECTING, UH, HIGHWAYS. AND THE ACTUAL EXPENSES DOES NOT MATCH WITH THE STANDARD COST. AND SO WE HAVE A SUBSTANDARD KIND OF STRICT IN OUR COMMUNITY. I ASKED THE SUPERVISOR, SIR, THANK YOU FOR THIS PAVEMENT. HOW, HOW, HOW LONG WILL IT LAST? OH, THERE IS NO PROBLEM IN THE SUB, UH, SURFACE. SO IT'LL LAST FOR 10 YEARS. WE REALITY, AFTER ONE YEAR AND A HALF, YOU SEE CRACKS, BRICKS. WHY? BECAUSE THEY DID NOT ATTEND TO THE BASE OF THE ROAD. I HAD ACQUAINTANCE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING. YOU ARE URBAN PLANNER. THE SUBSURFACE IS SUBSTANDARD. THEY DO NOT MINE. THEY DON'T USE THE COMPACTION FACTOR TO ENSURE THAT THE SUB, YOU KNOW, THE TOP PAVEMENT WILL BE STRONG ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE HOME DEPOT TRUCK. OKAY. WITH ALL THE HEAVY LOADS. OKAY. BUT THIS DOESN'T DEAL WITH THAT. THIS DEALS WITH TRAFFIC, CALMING, MOBILITY, TRANSPORTATION. I KNOW, BUT, BUT IT DEALS WITH SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS LET US NOT JUST OKAY. THE PROJECT, BUT LET'S SEE THE BLUEPRINT. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. UM, OKAY, SO THAT WAS EIGHT, FIVE. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE, MR. CHAIR? YES. MOVE TO ADAPT THE RESOLUTION. SECOND. HERE WE HAVE MOTION. SECOND COMMENT, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. COMMENT HERE. UM, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN, UM, IN THE WORKS FOR A LONG TIME. THIS IS SAFETY ISSUE FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS IN THOSE PARTS OF, UM, THE CITY. AND, UM, REALLY I'M, I'M ONE OF THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT'S BEEN FOLLOWING IT THROUGH WITH OUR CITY ENGINEER. AND I'M GLAD THAT IT'S NOW COMING TO FRUITION AND, UH, KEEPING OUR MOST SPECIALLY SENIORS IN THOSE CORRIDORS THAT LIKE TO WALK AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, CROSS THE STREET. I, IT'S REALLY VERY IMPORTANT AND I'M GLAD THAT IT'S HAPPENING. UM, DIRECTOR MANGANELLO. THANK YOU, SIR. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING OVER HERE? OKAY. DID I? OKAY. YEAH. AND, UH, YEAH, INDEED THIS DEALS WITH A LOT OF, UH, THE FLASHING LIGHTS, CROSSWALKS. IT DEALS WITH SOME, SOME STRIPING, UH, WHERE YOU'VE GOT AREAS WHERE PARKING IS VERY CLOSE TO THE, UH, OUT INTO THE STREET SO THAT IT DELINEATES IT MUCH MORE. UM, NOW IT DOES HAVE SOME TRAFFIC CIRCLES, BUT THEY'RE NOT ON DIVISION. ONLY ON FOURTH STREET. OKAY. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW. AND, UH, SO WITH THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, PLEASE VOTE. COULD OUR SECOND PUSH THE BUTTON PLEASE? THANK YOU. YEAH. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, [8.6 Voluntary Agreements for DTSC Environmental Oversight of Two City-Owned Properties] WE GO TO EIGHT SIX. THIS IS VOLUNTARY AGREEMENTS WITH, UH, D UH, DTSC, ENVIRONMENTAL OVERSIGHT ON TWO CITY OWNED PIECES OF PROPERTY, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE, UH, OH, UH, TROPHY LOUNGE AREA. UH, WITH THAT, MR. THOMAS REICH. OKAY. MR. REICH, THERE YOU'RE, UH, THIS IS $55,000 FOR AN ENVIRONMENTAL EXAM. YEP. AND IT'S, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE COM CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BUILDING. CORRECT? IS THAT RIGHT NOW $55,000. THERE IS NO CLEANUP. THAT'S AN EXAM. THAT'S AN EXAM. THEY AREN'T GONNA CLEAN IT UP. THEY'RE GONNA TELL YOU HOW MUCH IT HAS. MM-HMM . NOW WHY DOESN'T THE CITY CHARGE THE LAST OWNER FOR THAT? [01:05:01] WHAT WAS THE LAST OWNER? WAS THE LAST OWNER? YEAH. WE GOT, GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A PARTY GOING ON NEXT DOOR HERE. OKAY. THE LAST OWNER, THE LAST OWNER SHOULD PAY FOR THIS MM-HMM . AND FOR THE MAKING IT, UH, AND MAKE IT, MAKE IT SO IT COULD, UH, SO IT PASS THE RIGHT PASS. MM-HMM . THIS IS A VERY EXPENSIVE THING AND I THINK THE PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THAT. MM-HMM . OKAY. RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THIS IS, UH, EIGHT SIX. UM, THIS IS A PHASE TWO, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND, UH, AS FAR AS WHO ENDS UP PAYING FOR IT AT THE END IS A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT STORY. AND, UH, DID NOT HAVE YOU FOR EIGHT, SIX, HAD YOU FOR EIGHT, FOUR AND EIGHT. EIGHT THREE AND EIGHT FIVE. I GIVE YOU TWO. OKAY. UH, COME ON UP. BUT LET'S, LET'S, LET'S KEEP ON TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY ONLY. OH, WHERE IS, UH, CONOR BUSH? THIS IS HIS, WELL, HE LEFT FOR A MOMENT, BUT OKAY. PLEASE PARDON ME SIR. OKAY. I AM JUST A LEARNER AND A TEACHER, TEACHER LEARNER. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT, UH, ISSUE AS FAR AS SPENDING TAXPAYERS MONEY. IMAGINE EIR PEOPLE FROM THE STATE WHEN THEY COULD NOT EVEN MAKE A DECISION RIGHTFULLY, AND THEY ENRICH THEMSELVES LIKE SENATOR EINSTEIN. OKAY. OKAY. PLEASE, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE, SIR. WHICH IS ALL ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL THING. EIR. CAN WE NOT RELY ON OUR CIVIL ENGINEERS GRADUATE FROM UP PHILIPPINES, GRADUATE FROM CUSD TO PERFORM THE EIR. OKAY. WITH LESS COST. OKAY. OKAY, SIR. WE SHOULD BE THE EXAMPLE IN OUR REGION, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE, WHERE ARE THE FILIPINO ENGINEERS HERE? OKAY. YOU HAVE TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, SIR. I'M SORRY I WAS A TEACHER, SIR, BUT THAT'S THE TRUTH. MM-HMM . WE SHOULD LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS. AND IF $100 IS THE ONLY IN OUR POCKET, THEN LET'S USE IT. MM-HMM . I WILL HIRE, FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCILOR BO BECAUSE HE IS AN URBAN PLANNER. OKAY. AND HE KNOWS ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL THING. MM-HMM . I, ALRIGHT, I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S THE TRUTH. OKAY. EIR IS VERY IMPORTANT. OKAY. AND WE COULD DO IT BY OURSELVES. OKAY. BECAUSE WE HAVE ALSO ALREADY LESSONS IN THE PAST, THE THING WE TOUCH THE AIR WE BREATH THE WATER, WE DRINK THE FOOD, WE EAT OUR GUIDANCE ON HOW OUR PROPERTY SHOULD BE DESIGNED AND DEVELOPED. MM-HMM . IT'S MAN CENTERED, NOT ONLY FOR PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT CENTERED, BUT FOR HUMANS. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. ALRIGHT, THAT WAS EIGHT, SIX. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE TO APPROVE? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO YOU KNOW A DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ VOTING NO. OKAY. I VOTED YES, I'M SORRY. OKAY. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. THIS IS NOT AN EIR. THIS IS ENVIRONMENTAL OVERSIGHT. I PRESS IT TOO MANY TIMES. YEAH. ON, ON A PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY ON THAT SITE. UH, PHASE TWO. OKAY. UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. SO THAT ONE PASSES. NEXT WE GO TO [Items 8.7 - 8.9] EIGHT SEVEN. AND THIS IS WARRANT REGISTRY. AND SO WE HAVE 8, 7, 8 8 AND EIGHT NINE. MR. THOMAS WRIGHT, WHY DON'T YOU COME UP ON ALL THREE OF THEM? YOU WANNA DO EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY OR DO YOU, CAN YOU JUST GO ON, ON THROUGH? WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH ONE, JUST SAY WHICH. JUST SAY THE NEXT ONE. OKAY. THIS, THIS IS EIGHT SEVEN. OKAY. UH, 24 HOUR EL ELEVATOR REPAIRS FOR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS. 5,000. A GOOD SIGN. GRAPH FOR BICYCLE FINDING PROJECT 34,000. THE CITY OF IMPERIAL BEACH, 18,000 FOR SOUTH BAY WATERSHED. KIMBERLY HORN, NATIONAL PROJECT PROFESSIONAL SEWER UPSIZING 33 30 9,000. THE KAISER FOUNDATION. UM, THIS IS WARRANT REGISTER 35 87. [01:10:01] THE KAISER DONATION, 237,000 PUBLIC'S EMPLOYMENT RETIREMENTS 374,000. THIS IS ALL FOR TWO WEEK PERIOD. IT PRO CWG PA PALO ALTO FIREWALL SUBSCRIPTION $87,000. BUILDING, INTER BUILDING, INNER WEST COUNSELING. 22,000. DECEMBER. BUILDING CITY ATTORNEY DEVANEY WILLIAM PARIS, 28,000 FOR THE CUMMINS PROJECT. SCI CONSULTING FOR CANNABIS CONSULTING. 1950. UH, ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS CIRCUITS TRANS $47,000. THESE, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT BETTER NOW. THEY GOT SOME KIND OF, UH, NOW, WHAT DO I WANNA SAY? THEY HAVE A, UH, THERE'S, THEY'RE, WHEN YOU'RE ON THEIR CELL PHONE, IT SHOWS YOU HOW LONG YOU HAVE TO WAIT. IT, UH, IT SHARP ELECTRONICS. $13,000 FOR COPIER MEETING RISK. DANIEL GIZZARD. 28,000, UH, FOR 28,000 PAYROLL. 1,000,607 FOR THE WARRANT. RENT 35 FOR WARRANT. WE'RE IN 36 88. AP AP GENERAL COURSE, LU PALM PARKS IMPROVEMENT, 270,000. DICK MILLER IAN PARKS IMPROVEMENT. 395,000 WILDLIFE CAR ASSOCIATION LIGHTING, 88,000 PUBLIC ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS. OH OH. MOTOR MAINTENANCE POLICE DEPARTMENT MOTORCYCLES. A THOUSAND DOLLARS, I THINK. UH, WARRANTS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. $13,400. CITY, UH, FOR LABOR CITY. FOR, FOR, FOR LABOR NEGOTIATIONS. WIRE PAYMENTS FOR ARCO ENTERPRISES. $44,700. THAT'S FOR THE GASOLINE. WELL FOR FUEL AND THE DESERT. THE DESERTS. OH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UH, TRAINING FOR DESERT SNOW FOR DESERT SNOW. FOR DESERT SNOW. $1,542. , WHICH NUMBER ARE YOU ON NOW? OKAY, THE NATIONAL CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT. $79,000 FOR FORD HEAVY DUTY F TWO 50 TRUCK CHEN RYAN ASSOCIATES. 163,000 FOR THE BAYSIDE PARKWAY AND 175,000. 74,000 FOR THE 24 TRANSIT CENTER. THE CITY OF THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO METROPOLITAN SEWAGE. 1,900,000 TRUE NORTH COMPLIANCE ON CALL PLANS. REVIEWS, 25,000. CITY ATTORNEY, CITY ATTORNEY. THIS IS RE THIS IS MORE REGISTER, 37 CITY ATTORNEY, UH, CITY ATTORNEY OF 68,225. AND, UH, L CAL TRUCK COMPUTER MARING FOR A NATIONAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT. 42,000 GL POOLS. PALM GEO POOLS, LOS PALMAS MAINTENANCE, 6,700 WHITE P AVERY PRINTER ROLL WIPE. WE PAY SIGN PRINTER ROLL, 2070 $905. FINANCE DEPARTMENT, WOODFORD AND SMARTS. 8,250. HOUSING CHRISTIAN SPATH, AFFORDABLE LEGAL SERVICES. 6,500 SBCS. THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S 46,000. AND THIS IS THE LAST ONE. HOUSING CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. 7,500 POLICE TO COUNTY SHERIFF'S CALIFORNIA ID, ID 7,900 BC ANIMALS BC ANIMALS CANINES. $3,000 FOR THE [01:15:01] POLICE DEPARTMENT. BRADY'S CHILDREN'S SEXUAL ASSAULT TEST. 2,500 CITY ATTORNEY, ANOTHER 59,000 AS TECH. IT AS TEXAS SYSTEMS. 71,000 FINANCE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES. 380. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MR. RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH, YOU SPOKE ON THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS THERE. OKAY, SO THIS IS OUR WARRANT REGISTRIES. UH, 8 7 8 8 AND EIGHT NINE. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND, UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, NEXT [9.1 Public Hearing – Appeal of a Planning Commission Approval of a Conditional Use Permit for a Proposed Drive-Through Coffee Shop (Dutch Bros Coffee) to be Located at 1838 Sweetwater Road.] WE GET INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND BEFORE WE GO, UH, ANY FARTHER, DO WE HAVE ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY CONFLICTS OR EX PARTE DISCLOSURES, UH, ON ANY OF THE ITEMS IN FRONT OF US? YES. UH, I REACHED OUT TO THE, UH, APPELLANT WHO I DIDN'T HEAR BACK FROM, AND I REACHED OUT TO THE APPLICANT AND SPOKE TO THE APPLICANT FROM DUTCH, UH, BROTHERS TODAY. OKAY. NOTHING ELSE. I WILL, I WILL REPORT, YEAH, I WILL REPORT THAT, UH, AFTER SEEING THE AGENDA, AND I SAW THAT THE APPELLANT SAID THAT THE REASON THAT THEY DID NOT BRING UP THEIR, UH, ISSUES DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION 'CAUSE THEY HADN'T BEEN NOTIFIED. SO I DID CALL UP THE PASTOR OF THE CHURCH, JUST LEFT A MESSAGE ON HIS MACHINE, AND ALL IT SAID WAS THAT YOUR, I YOUR APPEAL IS ON OUR AGENDA ON, ON, UH, TUESDAY NIGHT LEFT AT THAT, JUST SO THAT THERE WOULD BE NO MISUNDERSTANDING. SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY ONLY CONTACT. UH, WITH THAT WE GO INTO, UH, OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING APPEAL OF A PLAN PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A PROPOSED DRIVE THROUGH COFFEE SHOP DUTCH BROTHERS COFFEE TO BE LOCATED AT 1838 SWEETWATER ROAD WITH THAT STAFF. THANK YOU. AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL STAFF, AND THE PUBLIC MARTIN REEDER DEVELOPMENT, SORRY, EXCUSE ME. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. UH, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT JUST FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR BENEFIT AS THIS WAS WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, I'LL MAKE IT PRETTY QUICK. UH, THIS IS THE FORMER, UH, PIZZA HUT RED HAT BUILDING ON ITS OWN PROPERTY THERE AT THE SWEETWATER CROSSINGS SHOPPING CENTER. IT'S IN THE MAJOR MIXED USE DISTRICT. IT'S ABOUT A HALF AN ACRE PARCEL WITHIN A MUCH LARGER, UH, A MUCH LARGER DEVELOPMENT. OF COURSE, WE KNOW ABOUT LA FITNESS, THE CHURCH, TEXAS ROADHOUSE, DENNY'S, ET CETERA, ALL IN THE SAME SHOPPING CENTER. THIS IS, UH, SOME PICTURES LOOKING AROUND THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT WOULD OF COURSE BE DEMOLISHED AND REDEVELOPED SHOULD THE PROJECT BE APPROVED. SO THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A 950 SQUARE FOOT DRIVE-THROUGH COFFEE SHOP, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS DUTCH BROTHERS. THIS WILL BE, UH, POTENTIALLY THE SECOND ONE IN THE CITY. IT DOES HAVE A DUAL DRIVE THROUGH, OR DUAL LANE DRIVE THROUGH DESIGN IN INTENDED TO ACCOMMODATE UP TO 26 VEHICLES, WHICH IS IN EXCESS OF NORMAL OPERATING CONDITIONS. BASED ON THE TRAFFIC REPORT, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A LITTLE BIT, THERE IS PERSON TO PERSON ORDERING. SO THERE'S NO, UM, SPEAKER OR OR AREA WHERE WITH A NORMAL DRIVE THROUGH WHERE YOU WOULD PULL UP AND SPEAK TO A, A, A MACHINE, BASICALLY. SO PERSON TO PERSON ORDERING A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT. UH, IT'S OPEN FROM FIVE TO 12 DAILY. THIS IS A, UH, SITE PLAN SHOWING THE AREA. SO YOU CAN SEE THE RED ARROWS GOING AROUND THE BUILDING. THE BUILDING ITSELF IS FAIRLY SMALL. EXIT LANE. CUTOFF LANE IS IN GREEN ON THE TOP, BUT, UH, NORTH WOULD BE TO THE LEFT. SO THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC WOULD BE COMING IN FROM THE SOUTH, UH, SOUTHBOUND RATHER THAN GOING EASTBOUND AND NORTHBOUND OUT. THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER VERSION OF THE SAME. UH, IT SHOWS UP A LITTLE BETTER WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT ON PAPER, BUT YOU CAN SEE ALL THE CARS STACKED IN THERE. THIS IS THE, MOSTLY THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. UH, THIS IS A BETTER, UH, IDEA SHOWING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC COMING IN FROM SWEETWATER ROAD. BOTH, UH, EASTBOUND AND WESTBOUND. THE YELLOW IS COMING IN, THE GREEN IS CIRCULATING THROUGH THE PROPERTY, AND THE RED IS THE WAY OUT. SO THAT'S, UH, AROUND, UH, MORE OF A CIRCUITOUS ROUTE. SO IT'S NOT TO IMPACT TRAFFIC COMING IN. UH, WITH THE STAFF REPORT PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE DID LOOK AT THE GENERAL PLAN. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ELEMENTS RELATED TO FAST FOOD OR DRIVE-THROUGHS. UH, MOSTLY FAST FOOD. BUT, UH, BASICALLY SAYING THAT, UH, ENCOURAGING THE DEVELOPMENT OF HEALTHY FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS. ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT A COFFEE SHOP OR A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT OR A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WITHOUT THE DRIVE-THROUGH COMPONENT, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY W RIGHT? SO THIS IS REALLY JUST ABOUT THE, THE DRIVE-THROUGH, PER SE, UH, TO DISCOURAGE UNHEALTHY FAST FOOD OUTLETS FROM LOCATING NEAR SCHOOLS. THE [01:20:01] NEAREST SCHOOL, AS FAR AS WHAT THE, THE LAND USE IS, UH, REFERRING TO IS SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL, ABOUT A HALF A MILE DOWN THE STREET. THE PROPOSAL ITSELF FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE CODE. IT'S ALLOWED WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE MXD TWO ZONE, THE MAJOR MIXED USE DISTRICT ZONE. THE SITE PLANNING STANDARDS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND REQUIRING MINIMUM QUEUING DISTANCES, UH, TURNING RADIUSES OR TURNING RADII TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE CITY ENGINEER. AND AS WELL AS THE LOCATION OF THE, ANY WINDOW LO UH, THE DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW OR, UM, DISPERSAL WINDOW AND THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS. SO THIS PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT. ALL OF THOSE MINIMUM QIC DISTANCES, ET CETERA, WERE, UH, WERE MET IN THIS CASE. WE WERE PROVIDED A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT LOOKED AT FOUR OTHER DUTCH BROTHERS IN THE AREA OR IN, IN THE COUNTY. AND THE MAXIMUM QUEUING DISTANCE UNDER NORMAL OPERATING CONDITIONS WOULD BE A LITTLE OVER 17 CARS. THIS WOULD HOLD 26. SO IT'S INTENDED TO, UH, OFFSET ANY IMPACTS TO, UH, THROUGH THROUGHPUT FOR THE, FOR THE MALL MINIMUM TURNING DISTANCE OF OR RADIUS OF 25 FEET. THIS IS, UH, IT DOES HAVE 20 FEET, BUT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY ENGINEER JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE TWO LANE DESIGN STILL INTENDED TO WORK EFFECTIVELY. UH, THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS ALSO INCLUDED THERE, SO THERE'S NOT MUCH ELSE TO TALK ABOUT WITH REGARD TO ARCHITECTURE. THIS IS A VERY SMALL BUILDING. THERE IS ARCHITECTURAL VARIATION, SETBACKS, HIDE, ET CETERA. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF THOSE. UH, AGAIN, I DID LOOK AT, WE DID LOOK AT TRAFFIC. THAT TRAFFIC STUDY IS INCLUDED WITH YOUR STAFF REPORT. THE PROJECT WILL BE EXPECTED TO GENERATE ABOUT 756 WEEKDAY TRIPS OR 544 ON THE WEEKEND. UH, THIS IS, UH, NET NEW DAILY TRIPS. SO HALF OF THE, OF THE TRIPS THAT WERE ANALYZED ARE CONSIDERED PASS BY TRIPS OR IN OTHER WORDS, PEOPLE ARE ALREADY IN THE AREA NOT COMING TO THIS, UH, THIS BUSINESS SPECIFICALLY, THE PROJECT RELATED, UH, TRAFFIC THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE TRAFFIC REPORT DID NOT SHOW THE NEED FOR ANY, UH, MITIGATION MEASURES OR ANY STREET SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS. AND ALSO THERE WAS A VEHICLE, MILES TRAVELED, A VMT ANALYSIS DONE, AND THIS DID SCREEN OUT DUE TO THE, THE, THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS AND ALSO THE SIZE OF THE BUSINESS. THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED A NOTICE, A NOTICE OF EXEMPTION AS FAR AS CQA. SO IT'S AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. WE'RE KNOCKING DOWN ONE BUILDING AND BUILDING A SMALLER ONE. THE TRAFFIC IS NOT PART OF THAT BECAUSE OF THE, THE VMT SCREENING OUT. WE DO HAVE STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS WITH ALL OF OUR DRIVE-THROUGH PERMITS, INCLUDING COMMENTS FROM BUILDING FIRE AND ENGINEERING, LANDSCAPE PLAN, ET CETERA. SO, UH, THAT'S THE OVER AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT ITSELF. OBVIOUSLY THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM. THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL. STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. HOWEVER, WE DID RECEIVE AN APPEAL ON OCTOBER 20TH, OR I'M SORRY, WE RECEIVED AN APPEAL AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL, UH, AGAINST THE PROJECT, BASICALLY. SO THAT WAS THE HEART REVOLUTION CHURCH, WHICH IS ALSO LOCATED IN THE SAME SHOPPING CENTER. THERE WERE, UH, THERE WAS A LETTER THAT WAS INVOLVED. THERE WERE THREE SPECIFIC ITEMS OF CONCERN. FIRST BEING THE MAILING REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE A NOTICE, SECOND TO DO WITH TRAFFIC, AND THIRD FOR GENERAL PLAN CONSISTENCY. AND JUST TO TOUCH ON THEM, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE APPELLANT WILL HAVE MORE TO DISCUSS. BUT THE MAILING REQUIREMENTS, WE DID CHECK THE MAILING LABELS, THE CHURCH PROPERTY AND OTHER PROPERTIES OWNED BY THE CHURCH WERE ON THE, UM, MAILING LIST OF 1920 SWEETWATER ROAD AND 1914 SWEETWATER ROAD. ALL OF 'EM WERE THAN 300 FEET. WE DID NOT GET ANY RETURNED MAIL FROM THOSE ADDRESSES. WE DO TEND TO GET RETURNED MAIL FOR MOST OF OUR MAILINGS. WE DIDN'T GET ANY THAT WE NOTED ON THIS PROJECT. FOR THOSE, UM, FOR THOSE ADDRESSES AS FAR AS TRAFFIC, THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE ADEQUACY OF THE ANALYSIS. THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS PROVIDED WAS VETTED THROUGH OUR CITY ENGINEER. UH, WE DID ACTUALLY COORDINATE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE FOLKS PREPARING THAT REPORT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ANALYZED ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE DATA SO THAT WE COULD MAKE A REASONABLE FINDING. AND, UH, THAT, AGAIN, THAT WAS ATTACHED. SO WE DID FEEL THAT THAT TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS, UH, WAS GOOD AND THAT THERE WEREN'T ANY IMPACTS CAUSED BY THIS PROJECT. AND AS FAR AS GENERAL PLAN CONSISTENCY, AGAIN, REALLY THE, THE CRUX OF THE MATTER IS, IS THE DRIVE THROUGH WITHOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH THIS TYPE OF USE WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT WITHOUT HAVING TO COME TO PLAN COMMISSION, OR CITY COUNCIL. SO THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. THE OPTIONS TONIGHT ARE TO ONE, EITHER DENY THE APPEAL, WHICH WOULD AFFIRM THE PLANNING COMMISSION [01:25:01] DECISION AND APPROVE THE PROJECT TO APPROVE THE APPEAL AND OVERTURN THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION, WHICH WOULD BE A DENIAL OF THE PROJECT, UH, TO CONTINUE THE PROJECT IF OR THE HEARING, TO A SPECIFIC DATE IF WE NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR DECISION. AGAIN, PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT AND I BELIEVE THE APPELLANT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO MAKE THAT CASE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M AVAILABLE. YES. JUST ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE SPEAKERS. UM, SO THIS ITEM BECAME, UM, BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN OCTOBER AND IT'S APRIL. SO, UM, COULD, UH, STAFF, UH, EXPLAIN THE, UM, THE DELAY, UH, THE HOLIDAYS? UH, THAT WAS A, WHAT WAS A LARGE PART OF IT? UM, UM, SO AFTER, AFTER THE MEETING, THERE WAS A, OF COURSE THE APPEAL WAS FILED AND WE WERE ANALYZING THE APPEAL INTERNALLY. MOSTLY BE, UH, FOR PROCESS BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HAD AN APPEAL OF A PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL BY, UH, A THIRD PARTY. WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF APPROVAL, EXCUSE ME, APPEALS BY APPLICANTS THAT WERE DENIED, BUT NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. SO WE WERE MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD OUR BASES COVERED AND THAT WE WERE, UH, LOOKING AT THE APPROPRIATE PROCESS. WHEN WE DID, UH, FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT PROCESS WAS GOING TO BE, WE PROVIDED THAT COMMENT TO THE PROJECT PROPONENTS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED TO HAVE SOME TIME TO DIGEST THAT 'CAUSE THEY DID GET THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY CLOSE TO WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE NORMAL COUNCIL MEETING. UM, DURING THAT TIME. THAT WAS COMING UP TO, TO THANKSGIVING, UH, THAT IT WAS MORE DISCUSSION AFTER THAT THAT LED INTO CHRISTMAS AND SO FORTH. UM, THE APPLICANT AND THE APPELLANT WERE IN CONTACT AND, UH, WERE TALKING ABOUT NEEDING TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS. AND THERE WAS INTERNALLY BETWEEN THOSE TWO PARTIES, THEY WANTED TO PUSH EVERYTHING 60 DAYS. SO THAT 60 DAYS ENDED IN MARCH. AND, UH, I BELIEVE THERE WAS NO RESOLUTION. SO STAFF MOVED AHEAD WITH SETTING THE ITEM FOR HEARING. AND WE ARE AT THAT MEETING NOW. THANK YOU. HOW LONG BEF, UH, BETWEEN THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL AND THE CLARITY THAT STAFF PROVIDED THE APPELLANT, UH, AND OR THE APPLICANT, WHAT WAS THE TIME PERIOD BETWEEN THEN? UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. SO WHEN DID STAFF CONTACT GET THE CLARITY ON THE, BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT, UM, THAT STAFF, UM, NEEDED TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH BECAUSE, UM, THEY WEREN'T CLEAR ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR A THIRD PAR PAR PARTY FILING AN APPEAL OF AN APPROVAL. SO WHEN WAS THAT CLARIFIED BETWEEN, AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THAT ONE? WAS THAT CLARITY GIVEN TO THE APPELLANT OR THE APPLICANT? UH, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT, UM, IT WAS PROBABLY AROUND THREE WEEKS OR SO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR, DID YOU SAY BY RIGHT? I BEG YOUR PARDON? DID YOU SAY BY RIGHT, THIS PROJECT IS BY RIGHT? NO, MA'AM. ONLY IF IT DID NOT HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH, IF IT WAS A COFFEE SHOP WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. BUT BECAUSE IT HAS A DRIVE THROUGH, UH, THAT REQUIRED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, SAME OWNERSHIP AS THE DUTCH'S BROS THAT'S OPENING IN ON PLAZA. IT'S THE SAME COMPANY, OF COURSE, YES. BUT IT'S, UH, THEY'RE LEASING THE PROPERTY FROM THE SWEETWATER CROSSING SHOPPING CENTER MANAGEMENT. THANK YOU, NICK. THANKS. THERE WE GO. GOOD EVENING. UH, I'M DANIEL GTE, UH, ATTORNEY FOR HEART REVOLUTION CHURCH. I WANNA FIRST THANK THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR FOR TAKING THE TIME TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, OUR APPEAL. I ALSO WANT TO EXPRESS, EXPRESS OUR THANKS FROM PASTOR TJ, THE HEAD PASTOR OF THE CHURCH, AS WELL AS WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE HERE WITH ME AS WELL TO SUPPORT OUR CAUSE. UM, I WANNA ALSO THANK THE ASSOCIATE PLANNER, SOPHIA DEPU. SHE DID A GREAT JOB AT HANDLING OUR APPEAL AS THE, THE SPOKESPERSON SAID IT WAS A THIRD PARTY APPEAL, SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS NEW TO THEM, AND SHE WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND HELPED US ALONG THAT WAY. UM, SO HEART REVOLUTION CHURCH OWNS THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1920 SWEETWATER ROAD, AS WELL AS 1914 SWEETWATER ROAD. THE CHURCH IS CATTY-CORNERED IN THE BACK OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH, UM, ON THE TRAFFIC AISLE WOULD, WOULD RUN ALONGSIDE THE PROPOSED PROJECT SITE. UM, THE CHURCH PROPERTY OPERATES THREE DISTINCT BUSINESSES THERE, THE CHURCH HEART REVOLUTION CHURCH, AS WELL AS A COFFEE SHOP, WHICH SUPPORTS THE CHURCH AND ALSO AWAY THE WAY PRESCHOOL AND CHILDCARE FACILITY. [01:30:02] UM, THE CHURCH IS A NONPROFIT RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION. IT'S NON-DENOMINATIONAL AND, AND IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. UH, WE HOST FOUR SERVICES ON SUNDAY, SO THERE'S ABOUT 6,000 UNIQUE VISITORS ON THAT DAY, AS WELL AS ON MONDAY. WE HAVE ABOUT 500 VISITORS FOR CLASSES AS WELL AS EVENING, UH, ACTIVITIES. UH, DURING THE WEEK, THE REST OF THE WEEK, THERE'S ABOUT 1200 INDIVIDUAL VISITORS AS WELL TO THE CHURCH FOR MIDWEEK SERVICES. AND ANOTHER 1500 INDIVIDUAL ATTENDEES FOR VARIOUS COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT ARE HELD AT THE CHURCH, UM, INCLUDING NON-CHURCH EVENTS AND OTHER SPONSORED EVENTS FOR THE COMMUNITY. UH, THE HOME COFFEE SHOP IS A SIT DOWN COUNTER SERVICE COFFEE SHOP WITH COFFEE TEAS AND PASTRIES. AND, UH, IT'S A COMMUNITY HUB AND IT SEATS ABOUT 70 CUSTOMERS INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. AND THE WAY PRESCHOOL AND CHILDCARE FACILITY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CHURCH, AND IT OPERATES FROM AGES, UH, SIX MONTHS OLD TO SIX YEARS OLD. UH, ON SUNDAYS, THE CHURCH MANAGES THE SHOPPING CENTER TRAFFIC THROUGH UTILIZING A VOLUNTEER TRAFFIC COORDINATORS. WE STATION THOSE AT VARIOUS TRAFFIC AISLES AROUND THE SHOPPING CENTER AR AND AROUND THE 353 PARKING SPACES DEDICATED TO THE CHURCH, AS WELL AS OVERFLOW PARKING FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH WOULD BE AROUND THE SURROUNDED, UH, PROPOSED SITE. WE COOPERATE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, TEXAS ROADHOUSE LA FITNESS, AND EVENTUALLY, IF THIS IS APPROVED, DUTCH BROS, TO EASE THE PA PARKING AND TRAFFIC EASEMENTS IN THE SHOPPING CENTER. UM, MY ARGUMENT TODAY IS GONNA BE SHORTENED JUST TO TWO ISSUES. ONE WOULD BE THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION, UM, THAT WAS, UH, ANALYZED IN THE TRAFFIC REPORT. AND THE SECOND WOULD BE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE, WHICH WAS ADDRESSED ALSO IN THE, UH, APPROVAL MINUTES. UH, THE TRAFFIC REPORT, UH, THERE WAS A TRAFFIC REPORT INCLUDED WITHIN THE COP APPLICATION. THIS TRAFFIC REPORT WAS REVIEWED AND, UM, APPROVED BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION. THE CONCLUSION OF THAT REPORT WAS THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVE-THROUGH WOULD NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT VEHICULAR AXIS OR TRAFFIC OPERATIONS. THE TRAFFIC REPORT RELIED ON INDEPENDENT STUDY OF WAIT TIMES AT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, AS WELL AS A STUDY OF FOUR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA DUTCH BROTHERS LOCATIONS IN ORANGE COUNTY, RIVERSIDE COUNTY, AND SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY. THERE WERE NO, UM, ANALYSTS OF, UH, DUTCH BROTHERS IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY. THE TRAFFIC REPORT CONCLUDED THAT AN AVERAGE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE WOULD HOLD 17.25 CARS, WHICH WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED SITE OF 26, UH, VEHICLE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE. HOWEVER, WE ASK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL REVISIT THAT TRAFFIC REPORT AND CLOSELY EXAMINE ONE PARTICULAR DUTCH BROTHERS DRIVE THROUGH. THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE REPORT. THAT LOCATION IS AT WARNER AVENUE AND FOUNTAIN VALLEY, UM, THAT HAD THE HIGHEST OVERALL QUEUE NUMBERS IN THE TRAFFIC REPORT AND HIGHEST OVERALL WAIT TIMES. THE TRAFFIC REPORT CONCLUDED FOR FOUNTAIN VALLEY, THE HIGH QUOTE, THE HIGHEST MAXIMUM OBSERVED QUEUES AT ANY ONE SURVEY SITE FOUNTAIN VALLEY WERE 29 WEEKDAY VEHICLES AND 32 WEEKEND VEHICLES. BOTH OF THOSE NUMBERS, BOTH OF THOSE MAXIMUM NUMBERS OF Q VEHICLES DURING THE WEEKDAY AND WEEKEND WOULD EXCEED THE 26 VEHICLE, UH, QUEUE AT THIS PROPOSED SWEETWATER LOCATION. THEREFORE, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE WILL SPILL OUT INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER VEHICLE AISLE, AS WELL AS CONSEQUENTLY SPILLING OUT INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AT THE INTERSECTION OF PROSPECT STREET AND SWEETWATER ROAD, WE FIND THAT THE SUITABILITY OF THE WARNER AVENUE SITE THAT WAS IN THE TRAFFIC REPORT IS A COMPARATIVE CASE STUDY TO THE PROPOSED SWEETWATER SITE. BECAUSE OF THESE FACTORS, THE SIMILARITY BETWEEN THE TWO CITIES, FOUNTAIN VALLEY, AND NATIONAL CITY ARE A SIMILAR POPULATION SIZES. FOUNTAIN VALLEY IS SLIGHTLY LARGER IN SQUARE MILES IN NATIONAL CITY, MEANING THAT NATIONAL CITY IS MORE DENSE PER SQUARE MILE. ORANGE COUNTY AND SAN DIEGO COUNTY ARE SIMILAR DEMOGRAPHICALLY WHEN COMPARED TO EACH OTHER VERSUS COMPARING THEM TO SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY AND RIVERSIDE COUNTY. THERE'S ALSO A SIMILARITY BETWEEN THOSE, THESE TWO DUTCH BROTHERS LOCATIONS IN WARNER, THEY'RE BOTH DIRECTLY OFF OF A MAJOR FREEWAY. WARNER AVENUE IS DIRECTLY OFF THE 4 0 5 FREEWAY IN ORANGE COUNTY, SWEETWATER ROAD. THE PROPOSED SITE IS DIRECTLY OFF THE 8 0 5 FREEWAY IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY. WARNER AVENUE IS ALSO WITHIN TWO MILES OF AN ADDITIONAL DUTCH BROTHERS LOCATED IN FOUNTAIN VALLEY. AND THE SWEETWATER ROAD PROPOSED SITE WILL BE WITHIN TWO MILES OF THE PLANNED PLAZA BOULEVARD SITE IN NATIONAL CITY. THEREFORE, WE ASK, UM, TO ENCOURAGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO EXAMINE THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF THE DRIVE THROUGH SITE BY EXAMINING MORE SIMILAR SITUATED DUTCH BROTHERS COFFEE DRIVE-THROUGHS, [01:35:01] SUCH AS THE FOUNTAIN VALLEY LO LOCATION INCLUDED IN THE REPORT, AND EVEN EXAMINING THE NEWLY OPEN CHULA VISTA LOCATION A FEW MILES SOUTH OF US. THE SECOND ISSUE WE BROUGHT, WE WANNA BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL IS PUBLIC HEJ POLICY 4.2, WHICH ENCOURAGES THE DEVELOPMENT OF HEALTHY FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS IN AREAS OF HIGH CONCENTRATION OF FAST FOOD CONVENIENCE STORES AND LIQUOR STORES. WE KNOW THAT DUTCH BROTHERS CLASSIC DRINKS CONTAIN HIGH AMOUNTS OF SUGAR AND MORE THAN THE RECOMMENDED DAILY SUGAR INTAKE. FURTHERMORE, LIQUID CALORIES SUCH AS THOSE FOUND IN THE SYRUPS AND CREAMERS OF THE DUTCH BROTHERS, COFFEES ARE EASIER TO CONSUME THAN SOLID FOODS, WHICH LEADS TO EASIER WEIGHT GAIN AND MORE UNHEALTHY EATING HABITS. COFFEE DRINKS IN GENERAL, UM, SUGAR OR NOT PROVIDE LITTLE NUTRITIONAL VALUE COMPARED TO AN ACTUAL SOLID FOOD MEAL. AGAIN, I WANNA THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR TIME, AND, UH, THAT'S ALL FOR, FOR THIS MOMENT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? YES. OR THE APPELLANT? UH, UH, YES. SO I, I THANK YOU FOR GOING OVER THOSE ITEMS, UH, IN DETAIL. SO, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE TRAFFIC REPORT, UM, DID YOU, UH, FIND ANY DEFICIENCIES OR CONCERNS WITH ANY OF THE CRITERIA UNDER THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SECTION? SO THE TRIP GENERATION, THE, UM, INTERSECTION OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS, THE SITE AXIS AND TRAFFIC CIRCULATION. SO I KNOW THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THAT YOU HAD, UH, CONCERNS WITH ONE OF THE FOUR, UM, SITES THAT WERE SELECTED FOR A POINT OF COMPARISON, BUT, UH, WAS THERE OTHER, UM, AREAS OF THIS, UM, ANALYSIS THAT, UH, THAT YOU GUYS FOUND, UH, DEFICIENT? NO. UH, I BELIEVE THAT THE, THE REPORT WAS VERY WELL WRITTEN AND IT WAS STUDIED VERY WELL. OKAY. THANK, UH, THANK AND THEN, SO, BUT YOU'RE, AND THEN THE OTHER PART OF YOUR, SO YOU'RE REPRESENTING, UM, HEART REVOLUTION, THE CHURCH, UM, AND THE CHURCH OWNS THE COFFEE SHOP, RIGHT? CORRECT. THE COFFEE SHOP THAT SELLS THOSE, SO THAT, THAT PART OF YOUR SECOND ARGUMENT. UM, SO YOU GUYS ARE ARGUING THAT, UM, THE, UH, HEALTHY, THE HEALTH ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ELEMENT AND THE UNHEALTHY FOOD, UM, THE PASTRIES AND THE SUGAR COUNTS AND EVERYTHING, ISN'T THAT THE SAME FOOD THAT YOU GUYS SELL AT THE HOME COFFEE? UH, WE BELIEVE OUR, THE COFFEE THAT WE SELL IS MORE ESPRESSO BASED LATTES. UM, AND SO THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE DUTCH BROTHERS, UH, SUGAR DRINKS THAT THEY SELL. HMM. THERE'S PASTRIES THIS UP THERE. UNDERSTOOD. I, I, SO I, UM, I, I, I THINK FOR, FOR ME, THE PART, THE KEY PART IS MORE, UM, ABOUT THE, THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH, UH, PART OF IT. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CP TALKS ABOUT, BUT I JUST WANTED CLARITY ON, ON THAT PART. SO THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, MEMBER ANI. UM, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE, UM, GUIDANCE, UM, ATTORNEY. UM, SO FOUNTAIN VALLEY IS ABOUT 87 MILES AWAY FROM NATIONAL CITY. UM, AND, UM, POPULATION IS NOT AS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DENSE IS WHAT YOU SAID WE HAVE HERE. UM, QUESTION THOUGH, UM, JUST FOR ECONOMIC REASONS, YOU OWN THE LAND, SIR? YES. THE CHURCH OWNS THE LAND. THE CHURCH OWNED THE LAND OF THE WHOLE COMPLEX? NO, NO, NO. JUST THE LAND WHICH THE CHURCH AND THE COFFEE SHOP BUILDING ARE LOCATED. THE REST OF THE SHOPPING CENTER IS OWNED BY A, A REAL ESTATE MANAGEMENT COMPANY. DO YOU BY ANY CHANCE HAVE AN EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SELL, JUST TO HAVE THE OWN YOUR OWN COFFEE SHOP IN THAT SAME LOCATION? UM, NO, WE DON'T. UM, THERE ARE RECIPROCAL EASEMENTS, UH, ABOUT, UH, TENANTS. UM, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO BRING UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD SWAY THE DECISION OF WHY THIS SITE SHOULD BE APPROVED OR NOT. UM, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. UH, MAYOR MO, THANK YOU. PARDON ME. UM, THE, THE QUESTION MS. YAMANI ASKED, I WANTED TO ASK IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. DOES THE CHURCH ALSO OWN THE PARKING LOT? THE CHURCH OWNS THE PARKING LOT SURROUNDING THE, UH, THE PARKING SPACES SURROUNDING THE CHURCH. SO IT'S ABOUT 352 PARKING SPACES I THE CHURCH. I THINK I SAW THE, THE, THE, UH, DIAGRAM IN THE REPORT. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS REGARDING THE TRAFFIC STUDY. UH, I DID MY BEST TO REVIEW IT. . IT IS HIGHLY DETAILED AND I AM NOT AN ENGINEER. UM, BUT I DID, UM, FIND IT VERY INTERESTING. SO I'M HAPPY THAT YOU, UM, POINTED OUT SPECIFIC PIECES OF IT THAT, THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON. UM, I LIKED YOUR COMMENT ABOUT FOCUSING ON THE SPECIFIC EXAMPLE THAT Q UH, WHERE IT, IT, UM, SPEAKS ABOUT A, THE, THE QUEUE WHERE, UM, IT IS 32 CARS, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD END UP IN A QUEUE. YES. AND THIS PROJECT HAS [01:40:01] THE CAPACITY FOR 26 CARS. AND MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, UM, DOES THE TRAFFIC STUDY IDENTIFY WHAT PORTIONS OF THE DAY IS THE, THE ONE EXAMPLE AT CAPACITY AT 32 CARS? IS IT THE MAJORITY OF THE DAY? MM-HMM . IT DOESN'T, THE REPORT DOESN'T IDENTIFY THE TIME OF DAY IT THIS IDENTIFIES. DOES THE REPORT IS HIGHLY DETAILED? YES, IT IS HIGHLY, HIGHLY DETAILED. AND I THINK THE, UM, THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY NOT MOST OF THE TIME CORRECT. UH, THAT INFORMATION IS NOT IN THE REPORT. SO THAT I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WOULD I BE ABLE TO BOUNCE THE QUESTION OVER TO MARTIN? ARE YOU, STEVE OR, OR STEVE STAFF CAN STAFF ADDRESS, UM, THE TRAFFIC STUDY CONDUCTED FOR THIS PROJECT? IS IT DETAILED ENOUGH TO ANSWER, UH, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE DAY IS A QUEUE AT CAPACITY? IN THE EXAMPLE GIVEN AT, AT FULL CAPACITY, WHICH IS 32 CARS, UH, MEANING EVERYONE, STEVE MANGANELLI, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS, UM, THE TRAFFIC STUDY DID COLLECT CUES AS MENTIONED FROM FOUR OTHER, UM, DUTCH BROTHERS. IT IDENTIFIED THE MAX IS 32, IF YOU LOOK, AND THAT WAS ON A SATURDAY PEAK HOUR. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO THAT'S DURING A SATURDAY PEAK HOUR, THE AVERAGE IS 22. AND JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, I I I ALWAYS LIKE TO USE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO A SPEED SURVEY OR A SPEED STUDY, IF WE GO AND COLLECT DATA ON A ROAD AND IT'S A, LET'S SAY A A 35 MILE PER HOUR STREET, AND THERE WAS ONE CAR THAT WAS DOING 65 MILES PER HOUR, WE WOULDN'T DESIGN THE STREET FOR THE ONE CAR THAT DID 65 MILES PER HOUR. SO THIS IS VERY SIMILAR, THE FACT THAT THEIR AVERAGE IS ALL THE WAY DOWN AT 22, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE BUSIEST ONE THAT THEY SAMPLED IN THE EVENT THERE WAS A POTENTIAL SPILL BACK. WHAT THIS IS SAYING IS IT WOULD BE VERY, UH, INFREQUENT AND, UM, WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, ELEVATE TO THE LEVEL WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAJOR CHANGES WOULD NEED TO TO OCCUR. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE THAT, THAT IS, UH, WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. AND AGAIN, I, I READ, I DID MY BEST TO REVIEW ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND, AND I REALLY ENJOYED JUST FOR STAFF'S. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GIVE YOU MY PERSPECTIVE, I REALLY ENJOYED THIS ITEM TONIGHT BECAUSE EVERY PIECE OF INFORMATION ON HERE IS EXACTLY PERFECT. UM, THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING ALL OF THE INFORMATION ON THIS TOPIC. I ACTUALLY LEARNED A NEW WORD, F FRENETIC OR F PHONETIC FENESTRATION. FENESTRATION IS A WORD I NEVER KNEW. AND IT MEANS, UM, WINDOWS AND STUFF ON A FACADE OF A BUILDING. SO, FANTASTIC REPORT. ANYWAY, , UM, THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. YOU GOT FENESTRATION. IT'S A NEW RECORD. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? IF NOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. RIGHT. UM, DO WE HAVE A, UH, A SPEAKER THAT IS FOR THE, UH, DUTCH BROTHERS THE DEAL? OKAY. PLEASE COME FORWARD. WE DO NOW IDENTIFY YOURSELF. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. THANK YOU MAYOR. HAVING ME HERE. MY NAME IS JOHN CAGLEY. I ALSO HAVE MOTIL, MY RIGHT HERE. UH, KELSEY PARKER, SHE'S IN CHARGE OF OPERATIONS. SHE'LL BE OPERATING THE STORES HERE. AS, AS WE ALL KNOW, THIS WILL NOT BE THE FIRST DUTCH BROS IN THIS CITY, WILL BE THE SECOND ONE. THAT'S BY DESIGN TO, TO LITERALLY ADDRESS TRAFFIC CONCERNS. UH, THE GENTLEMAN BEHIND US DID MENTION FOUNTAIN VALLEY. FOUNTAIN VALLEY ONE WAS THE FIRST STORE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. MM-HMM . IT WAS EXTREMELY BUSY DUE TO THE POPULARITY OF OUR BRAND. DUE TO THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS. WE, I MERELY OPENED HIS SECOND STORE WITHIN TWO MILES OF THAT STORE. AND BOTH THOSE STORES ARE NOW AT EQUAL TRAFFIC FLOWS FOR THAT. SO FOR OUR TRAFFIC CONCERN, YOU KNOW, PICKING FOUNTAIN VALLEY THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT IS 86 MILES AWAY, THERE ARE SEVEN MORE STORES BETWEEN HERE AND THERE. WE HAVE THREE IN VISTA, ONE IN CHULA VISTA, THREE IN LAKE ELSINORE, ONE IN TEMECULA. SO TO PICK FOUNTAIN VALLEY, IT'S NOT REALLY A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT ONE. UH, MOST OF OUR STORES, OUR QUEUING ARE USUALLY ABOUT 15 CARS OR LESS. THEY'RE OFF SOME PEAK TIMES OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, IN THE MORNING OR IN THE EVENING. UM, GOING BACK TO THE CONCERN WITH FOOD OR, OR FOOD SAFETY OR WHAT CHILDREN EAT, I DID HAPPEN TO VISIT, UH, THE HOME COFFEE STORE. IN THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT WE ARE GOING IN. THEY SERVE EXACTLY THE SAME STUFF THAT WE'RE SERVING. THEY SERVE ENERGY, DRINKS, SODAS, COFFEES, AND SYRUPS AS WELL. SO THERE'S NO, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FOOD THEY SERVE AND THE FOOD [01:45:01] WE SERVE. SO WE DO WANNA BE GOOD STEWARDS TO THE COMMUNITY. WE DO KNOW THAT, THAT THE SHOPPING CENTER, THIS, THIS, UH, PIZZA HAS BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS. IT'S KIND OF A BLIGHT ON THE SHOPPING CENTER. IT LOOKS FOR SOMETHING NEW AND EXCITING. WE AS DUTCH ARE EXCITED TO BE SPENDING ALMOST $2 MILLION TO CARRY ON THAT BUILDING AND PUT A NEW NEW STORE THERE. SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MYSELF OR OPERATIONS, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. YES. UH, YEAH. YES. UH, THANK YOU ALL. UM, YOU'RE FOLLOWING UP WITH, UH, THE SAME QUESTION TO STAFF AND WE DID SPEAK EARLIER, UM, AND YOU ACKNOWLEDGE, WHICH I APPRECIATE PART OF THE, SO PART OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHERE DELAYS ARE AND WHERE WE ALSO ON STAFF AND AS THE CITY CAN DO BETTER. SO, UM, BUT PART OF THAT, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT DELAYS? BECAUSE PART OF IT YOU DID ACKNOWLEDGE WAS, UM, A BACK AND FORTH NEGOTIATION, BUT WHAT PART? SO I UNDERSTAND, LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M KIND OF A THIRD PARTY TO THIS 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT WHEN AFTER THE PLANNING, HEARING, UH, HEARING WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT THERE WAS AN, UH, AN APPEALANT THAT FILED AN OBJECTION TO OUR PROJECT. UM, AT THAT TIME WE, I PUT THE PROJECT ON HOLD UNTIL THE LANDLORD CAN MAYBE TALK TO THE APPEALANT ON MAYBE A RESOLUTION. SOMETIMES IT'S, YOU KNOW, GIMME THIS, GIMME THAT. UM, THROUGH THAT COURSE THERE'S NOTIFICATIONS. APPARENTLY BOTH SIDES WERE UNABLE TO COME TO SOME TYPE IN AGREEMENT. UM, AND AT THAT TIME I SAID, WELL, WE NEED TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD. AND WE PUT THE PROJECT BACK IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL, WHICH WE'RE HERE TODAY. STAFF ALSO DID MENTION THE HOLIDAYS THERE, AND THAT WAS PART OF IT TOO. YOU KNOW, NO ONE, NO ONE WANTS TO BE TRYING TO DO THIS STUFF DURING THE HOLIDAYS. SO. UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY ON THE, UM, TRAFFIC, UH, COMMENTS. A PART OF, UH, WHAT I ALSO, UH, REVIEWED ON THE PLANS WAS THE, UH, LANDSCAPING. AND SO IN THE PAST, AND FOR THE PREVIOUS CP, WHICH WAS AN IN AND OUT, UH, WE DID GIVE A DIRECTION OF STAFFING THAT AS, AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THOSE BE, UH, NATIVE, UH, PLANTS BECAUSE THEY'RE BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. UH, THEY'RE CHEAPER AND, UM, WAR, UH, SAVE, SAVE COSTS AND MONEY. SO, UM, BUT THERE, WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT PROJECT, IT, THEY WERE DROUGHT TOLERANT BUT STILL NOT NATIVE. SO, UM, AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, IF WE, UH, MOVE, UH, FORWARD WITH THE DENIAL OF THE APPEAL, ARE YOU GUYS OPEN TO, UH, HAVING A, UM, CHANGING THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO REFLECT A NATIVE, UH, UH, PLANT SPECIES? YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AS MOST OF THE PROJECTS WE DEAL WITH ARE OBVIOUSLY IN RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY STAFF, THE ELEVATIONS, THE LANDSCAPING, THE DESIGN IS ALL SOMETHING THAT THE CITY STAFF USUALLY KIND OF TELLS US WHAT THEY LIKE AND WE INCORPORATE THAT IF, IF WE NEED TO MODIFY SOME PLANS, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. OKAY, GREAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN, UH, YOU MENTIONED IN THE, UM, OR IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT AS PART OF, UH, THE, UH, MITIGATION, IF YOU WILL, ACTUALLY MITIGATION AS A TECHNICAL WARD, BUT RESPONSE TO, UM, THE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC THAT YOU WOULD HAVE STAFF. SO LINE BUSTERS, DRINK RUNNERS AND TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS. SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM. SO THAT IS PART, I'LL LET, I'LL LET MY OPERATIONS OKAY. TALK ABOUT THAT. YEAH. UM, SO LINE BUSTERS. PERFECT, THANK YOU. YES. UM, WE WOULD STAFF LINE BUSTERS OUTSIDE, WHICH ARE THE PEOPLE THAT TAKE OUR ORDERS AND PLACEMENT OF A SPEAKER BOX. UH, WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN BE STAFFED AS TRAFFIC CONTROL TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT IMPEDING ON ANY OTHER BUSINESSES, KEEPING EVERYONE SAFE. UM, THOSE ARE OUR TRADITIONAL POSITIONS OUTSIDE IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I, AND I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. 'CAUSE I THINK THAT HELPS THE, UH, POTENTIAL TRAFFIC ISSUES AND POTENTIAL ISSUES, UH, CONFLICTING WITH THE CHURCH AND THEIR SERVICES. SO, UM, AND HOPEFULLY, SO IF THIS WERE, WOULD YOU GUYS BE WILLING TO OPEN LINES OF COMMUNICATION WHEN THERE ARE CONFLICTS WITH THE APPLICANT? YEAH, I, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WANTED TO GET STEWARDS OF THE NEIGHBOR. WE NEVER WANT TO HAVE CONFLICT WITH ANY OF THE SHOPPING CENTER. OUR, I MEAN, OUR NUMBER ONE GOAL IS SAY, UH, RADIATE KINDNESS HERE. SO OUR BRAND IDENTITY IS LITERALLY WORK WITH PEOPLE. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. OKAY. SO, ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THEN, UM, THIS IS NOT PART OF THE CONDITION, BUT I JUST, UH, A REQUEST. SO IF YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT, UM, WHEN YOU'RE, UM, HIRING THOSE, THOSE POSITIONS, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU GUYS LOOK LOCALLY AND LOOK AT, UM, WORK THROUGH OUR NATIONAL CITY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OR EVEN SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL AND SOME OF OUR YOUTH FOR JOB OPPORTUNITIES. SO THAT IS A REQUEST THAT I WOULD MAKE IF WE MOVE THIS UP FORWARD. I, I MEAN, YOU NOTICE MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE, ARE YOUTH. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE THING I DO. I FIND MYSELF AS AN OLDER GENTLEMAN, I HAVE FIVE YOUNG KIDS MYSELF, THAT UNEMPLOYMENT FOR YOUTH IS CURRENTLY 10% AND IT'S A LOT HIGHER THAN NORMAL AGE. AND MOST OF OUR STAFF ARE, I WOULD SAY, BETWEEN WHAT AGES. SO I MEAN, AND OBVIOUSLY WE CA OUR, OUR CLIENTS REALLY GOING BACK TO THE HIGH SCHOOL. MOST OF OUR CUSTOMERS AND OUR EMPLOYEES ARE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS. SO. GREAT. [01:50:01] AND TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO CARVE OUT ANYTHING SPECIFIC OR TARGET DEMOGRAPHICALLY YOUTH, BUT JUST KNOWING THAT YOUTH TEND, TEND TO BE YEAH. AND JUST THAT WE HAVE PRETTY HIGH, UH, YOUTH UNEMPLOYMENT RATES AND SO THEY'RE JUST GIVING OUR, UM, OUR, OUR LOCAL NATIONAL CITY KIDS IS, IS SWEETWATER KIDS, LIKE A, A CHANCE FOR THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THAT OPPORTUNITY AND CAREER DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S WHY I SAY THAT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. NOW AS, AS I READ, UH, MANY OF, MOST OF THE STUFF HAS WENT AROUND THAT TRAFFIC SURVEY. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UH, YOU HAVE BEEN QUEUING HERE ENOUGH FOR, UH, 22 AT A TIME. 26. 26 26. YEAH. AND WHAT WAS THE MOST, THAT WAS AT A PEAK TIME. THAT WAS AT THE ONE UP NORTH 22, I THINK UP NORTH. I HEARD THE NUMBER 32, I BELIEVE IT WAS 32. AND THAT WAS ABOUT 32, THE FOUNTAIN VALLEY SIDE. OKAY. SO 32 AND, AND YOU'RE AT 26. SO SINCE YOU GOT TWO LANES, THAT WOULD MEAN THREE VEHICLES ON EACH SIDE AT THE VERY MAXIMUM TIME IF IT FOLLOWED THE SAME AS FOUNTAIN VALLEY WOULD BE OUT OF THE ACTUAL, ACTUAL KEY. YEAH. AND, AND I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVEN SEE THAT QUEUE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE OTHER STORE THAT'S OPENING IN TWO MONTHS. RIGHT. TWO MILES AWAY FROM HERE. RIGHT. SO THIS ISN'T LIKE THE FIRST STORE IN THE CITY. THIS IS THE SECOND STORE IN THE CITY. YEAH. THIS IS LIKE WORST CASE SCENARIO. YES, EXACTLY. I COULD, BUT AS I SAY, SO IF, EVEN IF IT FELL UNDER THAT CATEGORY, WHICH I THINK WAS A SATURDAY ALSO CORRECT. AND YEAH, I I'VE NOTICED THE SAME THING. I HATE TO TELL YOU WHAT THAT OTHER, WHAT THEY CALL IT STARBUCKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. UH, DOWN ON PLAZA. SAME THING. FOR SOME REASON SATURDAY MORNING IS CRAZY. YEAH. UH, THE, UH, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THE MOST IT WOULD BE UNDER THAT SCENARIO WOULD BE THE IDEA OF THREE MORE VEHICLES, THREE DEEP OUTSIDE OF YOUR QUEUE. YEAH. AND, AND I BELIEVE ON THE STUDY TOO, IT ALSO SAYS HOW LONG THAT EXISTED FOR. SO IT DOESN'T SAY 32 CARS, IT SAYS FOR A SHORT AMOUNT OF PERIOD. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT SAID, HOW LONG THAT QUEUE WAS FOR? WHEN THE PEAK WAS ON THAT? LIKE I SAID, IT'S VERY DETAILED 'CAUSE I DID NAIL OFF. YEAH, I KNOW. YEAH. IT, IT, IT MADE FOR GREAT INSOMNIA READING. I KNOW. YEAH, EXACTLY. . AND WHILE WE'RE LOOKING THAT UP, WE DID ALSO LOOK AT THE LOCATION OF THE ENTRANCE AND THERE'S PROBABLY ROOM FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE BEFORE IT STARTS AFFECTING THE MAIN AISLE GOING THROUGH MM-HMM . UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAD ANOTHER COMMENT OVER THE WEEKEND FROM I THINK CVS AND YOU KNOW, WHAT WE TRIED TO EXPLAIN WAS ALONG THE SAME LINES AS MR. COLIA IS THAT UNDER THE INITIAL STARTING THE FIRST TIME SOMETHING'S OPEN, IT'S GONNA BE MORE BUSY. UH, AND THIS MAY EVEN BE TRUE FOR THIS, UM, OUTLET, SHOULD IT OPEN, HOWEVER, BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY ONE OTHER ONE GOING TO BE OPERATING, HOPEFULLY THIS SUMMER, UH, IN THE CITY, THE NEW FACTOR WILL BE, WILL BE LESSENED. UH, BUT ULTIMATELY THROUGH ACCESS TO THAT SHOPPING CENTER NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED ANYWAY BECAUSE OF EMERGENCY ACCESS AND SO FORTH. AND AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, ISSUES WITH OTHER FAST FOOD PLACES IN THE PAST WHERE WE HAVE REQUIRED THEM TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS EVEN IN THE CITY RIGHT. OF WAY AT TIMES TO, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO WE'RE, WE'RE AWARE OF THOSE SITUATIONS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. NOW, UM, REMEMBER YOUR MONEY. THANK YOU. UH, MR. DUTCH BROTHERS. NO PROBLEM. . UM, UM, IT SAYS HERE, UM, YOU HAVE NO INDOOR OR OUTDOOR SITTING PROPOSED? UH, WE HAVE NO INDOOR SEAT DEPENDING ON THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. WE DO SOMETIMES HAVE SOME PICNIC TABLES OUTSIDE TOO, BUT THE MUNICIPALITY DOESN'T ALLOW THEM. WE HAVE NONE. SO IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE DRIVE THROUGH AND WALK UP WINDOW WALK UP. AND THOSE THREE, UH, PARKING SPACES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO KIND OF, UM, PROVIDE ON SITE FOR THIS, THIS, UM, WALKUP. THE WALKUP? YEAH. I MEAN, THE PARKING SPACES ARE FOR OBVIOUSLY A HANDICAP PERSON OR SOMEBODY WHO WALKS UP. WE ALSO HAVE CALL AHEAD, KIND OF LIKE OUR COMPETITOR DOES. SO IF YOU, YOU CALL AHEAD, YOU PARK, YOU WALK UP THE WINDOW, GRAB YOUR DRINK AND LEAVE. SO MOST OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE, ARE IN AND OUT OF OUR, OUR LOCATION WITHIN 10 MINUTES. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S LITERALLY A, A STOP ON THE WAY TO WORK OR TO SCHOOL OR WHEREVER. OKAY. UM, AND THE, UH, GREAT THING, JOB. THANK YOU. OH, THANK YOU FOR OUR, FOR OUR YOUNGER GENERATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HOPE THAT YOU GET THE OPEN. WELL, I HOPE YOU SUCCEED. I, I CAN SEE THREE STORES HERE. SO I HAVE THREE IN MY CITY OF LAKE ELSNER, WHICH ISN'T MUCH BIGGER THAN HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE SECOND. I ONLY SEE ONE. I CAN SEE ONE MORE COMING HERE. SO, OKAY. AND THANK AND HOW MANY DID YOU SAY YOU HAD IN CHULA VISTA? UH, UH, CHULA VISTA, WE HAVE ONE, BUT LAKE EL I LIVE IN LAKE ELSINORE. YEAH. I HAVE THREE. YEAH. SO, AND, AND WE DO THAT SPECIFICALLY TO GET, YOU KNOW, SPACE OUT. WE, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT LAKE SNORE . WE WE'RE, WE'RE IN COMPETITION WITH CHULA VISTA, BUT HOPEFULLY MY WIFE'S NOT WATCHING RIGHT NOW. THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. . ALRIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MUCH. I DO. OH, I'M SORRY. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. I DO WANNA ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUES. I THINK THE LAST TIME WE HAD AN ISSUE OF A DRIVE THROUGH COME INTO NATIONAL CITY, UH, [01:55:01] IT WAS IN AND OUT AND THE ISSUE WAS THE DRIVE THROUGH ITSELF. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF A VEHICLE'S WAITING FOR A LONG TIME NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT THE WAIT TIME FOR IN AND OUT IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN YEAH. A DUTCH PRO, WHICH IS, UH, VERY QUICK. I'VE BEEN TO YOUR INDIO LOCATION. YES. AND, UH, VERY QUICK, BUT I GUESS IT HAS TO BE WHEN IT'S A HUNDRED DEGREES OUTSIDE , OUR EMPLOYEES MELT. IF IT DOESN'T, IT TAKES TOO LONG. DRINK COFFEE. PEOPLE STILL DRINK COFFEE. I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S PRETTY COOL. ICED COFFEE. BUT YEAH, I APPRECIATE, UM, THAT'S IF YOU GOOD WITH INDIO? NO, SO I, I WOULD ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUES IN THAT, UH, BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR IS CRITICAL AND I KNOW IT'S PART OF YOUR CULTURE. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, HOME COFFEE ALONG WITH THE CHURCH IS A, IS IS A, UH, IT'S A CORNERSTONE OF OUR COMMUNITY. MM-HMM . AND, AND, UH, HOME COFFEE IN PARTICULAR. AND SO BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR IS CRITICAL AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR YOUTH IS PRIORITIZED IS CRITICAL AS WELL. UM, AND THEN ALSO THE LANDSCAPING IN, IN, UH, IN THE VICINITY IS, IS IMPORTANT. WE DID REQUIRE IN AND OUT, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE RATIO WAS, BUT AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF TREES AND UM, UH, MATURE TREES AT THAT. SO WE HOPE THAT YOU COULD MEET THOSE STANDARDS AS, AS WE, AND, AND ALSO SET WITH IN AND OUT AS WELL. ALSO, SINCE OUR STORAGE 950 SQUARE FEET, IT'S GONNA BE BASICALLY HALF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. SO THE LANDSCAPE, SINCE MOST OF ITS DRIVE THROUGH, YOU'RE GONNA SEE ALMOST DOUBLE THE LAND MOUNT LANDSCAPING THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE NOW. SO, GREAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, WE'LL GO TO, UH, PUBLIC SPEAKERS. PUBLIC SPEAKERS. UM, DOYLE MORRISON, FOLLOWED BY ALICIA MORRISON, FOLLOWED BY MICKEL POLANCO. BEFORE I GET STARTED, UM, I THINK THERE'S A MISTAKE 'CAUSE ALICIA DOESN'T WANT TO SPEAK AND I THINK MIKA HAS, HAS LEFT. OKAY, THAT'S FINE. I PROBABLY WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE HERE. SO THIS PROJECT IS HERE FOR APPEAL BECAUSE, UH, THE REQUIRED CUP NOTIFICA NOTIFICATION DIDN'T GET TO THE INTENDED RECIPIENTS MISINFORMATION ABOUT WHETHER A SCHOOL WAS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY. DOES STAFF REALLY BELIEVE THE NUTRITIONAL NEEDS FOR HEALTHY FOOD OUTLETS ARE DIFFERENT FOR PRIVATE VERSUS PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS? THE CQA CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION CRITERIA HAS TRAFFIC AS AN ITEM THAT WILL EXCLUDE IT. UH, A PROJECT FROM THE SEQ EXEMPTION. THE TRAFFIC STUDY DIDN'T INCLUDE DATA BEYOND THE PROJECT TO THE SOUTH. I JUST LOOKED ON GOOGLE. THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 300 CARS, UH, IN THE CHURCH PARKING LOT AND MORE IN FRONT OF THE, UM, LA FITNESS ALL HERE TONIGHT. KNOW THAT THIS TYPE OF VOLUME, HIGH VOLUME BUSINESS WILL CAUSE TRAFFIC ISSUES AROUND THE BUILDINGS WITH TWENTY ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY EIGHT GROSS DAILY TRIPS AND 19 HOURS OF OPERATION. THAT'S 1.9 CARS A MINUTE, IF EQUALLY SPACED, THAT WILL IMPACT ALL THE BUSINESS BUSINESSES THAT ARE NEAR. WE KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. IT'S NOT GONNA BE EQUALLY SPACED AROUND. SO IMAGINE WHAT YOU GUYS WOULD SEE WHEN 300 CARS GET OUT OF CHURCH. 300 MORE CARS ARE TRYING TO GET IN FROM CHURCH AND 1.9 VEHICLES ARE GOING AROUND THE QUEUE TO GET TO THE BUILDING. ISN'T THE THE ISSUE HERE, RIGHT? AND, UH, BUT LET'S LOOK AT THE EMERGENCY EVACUATION PLAN FOR THE BUILDING TO THE SOUTH NATIONAL CITY REFERS TO THE COUNTY OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES FOR EVACUATION PLANS. PLANS. IT'S ANNEX Q AND DENOTES THAT EVACUATION RATE, UH, ROUTES. I DON'T BELIEVE I SAW ANY REFERENCE TO HOW THE CHURCH, THE SCHOOL, THE EXISTING COFFEE SHOP IN LA FITNESS WILL BE EVACUATED DURING A PEAK HOUR COFFEE RUSH AT DUTCH BROTHERS IN A MAJOR EVACUATION EVENT. YOU ALL SHOULD WANT THESE ITEMS ADDRESSED BEFORE AN APPROVAL. PLEASE PUSH THIS BACK TO YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ABOUT THIS PROJECT WITH ACCURATE INFORMATION. PLEASE TAKE THIS APPEAL SERIOUS. INTERJECT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, ONE, ONE SECOND. JUST A QUESTION IF I COULD. OKAY, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THE APPEAL OR, OR AGAINST THE APPEAL? SO I AM IN FAVOR OF THE APPEAL, BUT AGAINST THE RECOMMENDATION TO OKAY. APPROVE IT. OKAY. I WAS WONDERING 'CAUSE YOU PUT ON IN OPPOSITION. SO IT'S THIS APPEAL. YEAH, I KNOW IT WAS WHICH WAY, WHICH WAY? YEP, YEP. YEAH. BUT YES, I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT I REALLY THINK IS THAT THE PLAINTIFF MAKE SURE COMMISSION SHOULD LOOK AT IT BEFORE IT MOVES FORWARD. OKAY, THANK YOU. JUST WANT TO GET, GET CLARITY ON THAT. UH, CESAR UH, JAVIER? YES. CESAR FROM NATIONAL CITY HANDYMAN. SUBSTITUTE TEACHER, [02:00:01] MY CLASSMATE IN THE A PCD. CAN WE HAVE A SAMPLE, SIR? OKAY. COULD, COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? WANNA GET YOU WE NEED A SAMPLE TO DETERMINE IT'S A CLEAN FLUID, CLEAN COFFEE. LOOK AROUND THE VICINITY. COMPETING PRODUCTS. OKAY. COFFEE, DENTIST. COFFEE. COFFEE THERE. COFFEE THERE. COFFEE THERE. THERE MUST BE SOMETHING ABOUT, OKAY, THAT'S COFFEE SIR. THE ONLY THING ON OUR AGENDA IS THE DRIVE THROUGH. THE DRIVE THROUGH IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S ON OUR AGENDA. MP. MR. JAVIER? THE CP? YES. YEAH. YES SIR. OKAY. THAT'S COFFEE. DRIVE THROUGH. CAN WE HAVE A, WHAT I MEAN IS , LET'S TEST IT. YOU KNOW, LAND USE MEANS IT MUST BE IN ACCORD WITH HELP. SAFETY, PUBLIC WELFARE. WHAT IF THAT COFFEE IS SOMETHING ELSE? OKAY, SIR. MR. JAVIER. SO JUST, UM, SO ARE YOU SUPPORTING THE PROJECT? YOU'RE UH, YOU'RE IN IN FAVOR. YOU'RE OPPOSED. WHAT DO YOU THINK, SIR? I, I DUNNO. SO, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LOT OF ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AND MR. JAVIER, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WAITING, SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE NEED TO BE CLEAR. WE ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS, THEY HAVE TO STICK TO THE TOPIC ON THE AGENDA HERE. SO I HAVE 39 MORE MINUTES. I NEED THE SAMPLE. I YOU DO NOT HAVE 39 MORE MINUTES, SIR. 39 SECONDS. OH MY GOODNESS. CESAR IS VERY, I'M NOT VIOLENT, I'M NOT , I AM JUST THINKING AND, UH, CONTRIBUTE. CONTRIBUTE. WE ASK GOD MORE SAMPLES, SO WE DETERMINE IT'S CLEAN. NUMBER TWO, IF IT'S DRIVE THROUGH, LOOK AT THE SURROUNDINGS. THERE IS A HIGH, HIGH VOLTAGE WIRE. WHAT DO YOU THINK, SIR? YOU PUT YOUR CELL PHONE IN YOUR POCKET, WHAT HAPPENS? THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. I AM NOT VIOLENT. I AM JUST TRYING TO, ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS WE HAVE ON THAT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECOND. OH, DID YOU, YOU WANNA SPEAK ALSO? OKAY. I DIDN'T GET A SLIP, BUT, OKAY. COME ON UP AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. JOSE MARTINEZ, 46 45 NER STREET. AND, UM, ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS I UPON IS THE TRAFFIC STUDY. THEY USE BMT VALUES AND THAT'S AN INCEPTION FOR THE QUA. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, SO IT'S A COMPARISON. SO WE NEED TO HAVE A PHYSICAL, UH, TRAFFIC STUDY IN THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU CANNOT COMPARE APPLES TO, UH, TO PEARS. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO A PERSON PHYSICALLY GO EVERY DAY OR, OR, OR SUNDAYS AND SEE HOW MANY DRIVE CARS DRIVE TO THAT, UH, COMPLEX. WE HAVE THE, UH, TEXAS ROADHOUSE, WE HAVE THE, UH, LA FITNESS AND THERE'S A CHURCH. SO IF WE HAVE THIS FACILITY'S GONNA BE CROWDED. SO I, THERE'S AN, UM, AN INCEPTION AND SECTION, UH, 32 OF QUA AND HE'S TALK ABOUT, UH, THE, ANY PROJECT HAS TO BE FORCED TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY. SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING STAFF. SO I'M NOT SUPPORTING THIS, UH, JUDGE BROWN. AND, AND, AND, AND WHO DO YOU REPRESENT? I REPRESENT THE CHURCH. OKAY. OKAY. JUST ONE, JUST FOR THE RECORD. JUST ONE FOR THAT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UNLESS THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE NOW WE CAN HAVE THE MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE. THERE WE GO. OKAY. THIS IS JUST TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS NOT A VOTE ON THE ITEM YET. AND, UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. NOW IS TIME FOR US TO HAVE DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS OR WHAT? OKAY. FIRST HAND A SEAT DOWN HERE. YES. SO, SO I APPRECIATE, UM, THE, UM, APPELLANTS AND, AND THE CHURCH FOR, FOR COMING OUT AND GIVE US US THE, UM, INFORMATION, THEIR OPINIONS AND THE CLARIFICATION ON THE PROJECT. UM, SO AFTER JUST REVIEWING ALL THE DATA AND ESPECIALLY THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE FACTS, EVERYTHING THAT'S AVAILABLE TO ME, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT AND I DO THINK THAT THERE IS, UM, UH, THE, THE MITIGATION, IF YOU WILL, THE EMPLOYEES, THE QUEUING SPACE, THE TRAFFIC STUDIES WERE EXTENSIVE AND, UM, UH, AND THE ANALYSIS WAS, WAS SOLID. UM, THE, UM, ARGUMENT, I, I HAD THE ARGUMENT ABOUT, UM, THE HEALTH ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ELEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST DOESN'T, UH, SWAY ME. BUT, UM, I, I HEAR YOU GUYS AND I, APPRECI AND I, UH, DO, UH, WANT TO ENCOURAGE AND WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, THAT [02:05:01] THE, THE DUTCH BROTHERS IS WORKING WITH YOU AND, AND KEEPING LINE ON THAT LINE OF COMMUNICATION. UH, SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. UM, I, I DO HAVE THE PROPOSED CHANGES OR, UM, THE, UH, A LIST OF SOME OF THE NATIVE SPECIES. SO I, I SENT THAT TO STAFF EARLIER FOR CONSIDERATION. SO MY QUESTION TO HEIDI, UM, SO DO I HAVE TO RECITE THAT LIST OR IS THERE, UM, AND SO I DID EMAIL THAT FOR THE RECORD, BUT HOW PROCEDURALLY DOES THAT, DOES THAT WORK? THE LIST OF PROCEDURALLY YOU'LL JUST IDENTIFY THAT YOU WANT WHAT, WHAT YOU SAID ALREADY ON THE RECORD, WHICH IS NATIVE PLANTS, NATIVE SPECIES OF PLANTS AND TREES. YES. SO TODAY, SO YOU DON'T NEED ME TO GO OVER THE LIST. OKAY. WE CAN, YEAH, WE CERTAINLY HAVE THE, THE METHODS TO DETERMINE IF IT'S . THE AUDIENCE IS LIKE, PLEASE DON'T . NO, NO, IT'S OKAY. UH, CONDITION NUMBER 30 TALKS ABOUT THE NEED FOR A LANDSCAPE PLAN. WE COULD ADJUST THAT. YES. CONDITION 30. SO THAT'S THE WE COULD, YEAH, WE COULD SAY TO INCLUDE NATIVE SPECIES IN. WELL, OKAY. AND I SENT THAT FOR THE RECORD. I HAVE THAT AS AN ATTACHMENT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES DEPTH. WE, WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT. OKAY. AND THEN DEFINITELY TO THE, UH, APPLICANT. SO IT'S OPENS TO NOT OVERLY BE, UM, LIKE OVERLY RESTRICTED. SO I TRY TO BE AS EXPENSIVE AS POSSIBLE, BUT UM, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL AND APPROVE THE CP WITH THE UPDATES TO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN. ITEM NUMBER 30, UM, UH, UNDER PLANNING FOR, UH, NATIVE PLANTS ON THE LANDSCAPING AND ADOPT THE RESOLUTION. I SECOND THE MOTION. HUH? I SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. UM, HEIDI, DID I NEED TO READ OFF THE TITLE OF THE WHOLE? NO. OKAY. SO THAT'S GOOD. NO, YOU'RE GOOD. . OKAY. THAT'S A LONG TITLE. AS LONG AS HE UNDERSTANDS IT. THAT'S WHAT MATTERS. WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. UM, YEAH, THIS, THIS CAN GO A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS. UH, THE, UH, WHAT I'M THINKING OF, IF THAT WAS BARE LAND AND NOW YOU'RE ADDING EXTRA TRAFFIC THERE, THAT IS GOING TO BE ONE ISSUE. THERE'S A BUILDING THERE ALREADY AND A RESTAURANT COULD GO IN THERE TOMORROW. IF THEY COULD FIX, I MEAN, IF THAT BUILDING WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY BAD SHAPE, BUT SHALL WE SAY, BUT IF IT WAS IN GOOD SHAPE OR THEY REMODELED IT, THEY COULD PUT ONE THERE. THE ONLY REASON IT'S COMING BEFORE IS 'CAUSE THE DRIVE THROUGH. AND SO THE TRAFFIC WOULD ALREADY BE THERE FOR THAT. IF THAT PIZZA HUT WENT BACK IN THERE OR WHATEVER. THAT USED TO BE A PRETTY BUSY PIZZA HUT AND, UH, 'CAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE FEW INDOOR TYPE ONES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO IF, IF THAT, THEY WOULD GO IN THERE BY, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW WITH WHATEVER TRAFFIC THAT THEY HAD. SO THAT YOU'VE GOTTA, YOU'VE GOTTA ELIMINATE SOME OF THAT OFF THE TRAFFIC STUDY WHEN YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE GOING IN THERE. UM, IF I SAY IF IT WAS BARE LAND AND SAYING, WELL, WE'RE GONNA PUT SOMETHING EXTRA HERE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER, THEN THAT BECOMES A TOTAL ADD. UM, BUT THIS ONE, THERE'S GOTTA BE A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENTIATION. UM, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE, UH, HOME CAFE AND UM, UH, UH, AND AS A, AND THE PRODUCTS THAT THEY HAVE IN THERE, BUT THIS ISN'T ABOUT PRODUCTS AND IT'S NOT ABOUT COMPETITION. UH, WE, WE CAN'T GET INVOLVED IN THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT WE LIKE ONE PRODUCT OVER ANOTHER OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE. THE ONLY THING THAT COMES BEFORE US ON THIS IS THE DRIVE THROUGH AND IS IT ENGINEERED PROPERLY? THAT'S THE ONLY BIG CHOICE THAT WE GET. WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE SAME THING WITHIN AND OUT. UM, AND, UH, UM, AND SO IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT DOESN'T COME DOWN BETWEEN ONE GROUP OR THE OTHER, OR ANYTHING ALONG THAT LINE, OR ONE PRODUCT OR THE OTHER. UM, AND AS LONG AS YOU'RE, THE SHOPPING CENTER ALLOWS FOR IT TO BE COMPETING. UH, YOU KNOW, USED TO BE A STARBUCKS RIGHT UP THERE, UP AT THE, UP AT THE FRONT OF THAT SHOPPING CENTER. YEAH. WITH THE BOULDER. YEAH. BOULDER PLACE IS AT NOW. UM, SO THERE'S A, UH, IT DIDN'T HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH. NO. THAT'S THE REASON IT MOVED. UH, BUT, UH, THE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHAT KIND OF PUTS US INTO A PICKLE ON THESE THINGS. AND SO THE ONLY THING WE REALLY GOT TO CONSIDER IS THE ASPECTS OF THE ENGINEERING, OF THE DRIVE THROUGH. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT PEAK TIMES, LIKE FOR THE, THE HIGHEST ONE, AND THAT WAS THE HIGHEST ONE OF THE GROUP, THE FOUNTAIN VALLEY ONE. UH, AND THAT'S AT A PEAK TIME ON A SATURDAY MORNING, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE VERY, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE THAT MUCH OVER WHAT THE CAPACITY JUST OF THE QUEUING MUST LESS THE AREA OUTSIDE OF THE QUEUING. SO, UM, THAT'S IT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT, UH, GO WITH THE QUESTION CHAIR. WELL, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? LET SEE IF ANYONE WANTS TO HAVE YOU SAY, [02:10:02] NOT SEEING ANYTHING. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR, AND THIS IS TO DENY THE APPEAL AND TO ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH, UH, THE MODIFICATIONS. AND, UH, IT MIGHT GO BACK UP HERE. UH, WE HAVE THE MAKER IS BUSH. UH, THERE YOU GO. GET THAT SECOND IN THERE. ALRIGHT. SEE NO MORE. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. [9.2 Public Hearing and Adoption of a Resolution of the City Council of the City of National City amending the previously adopted Transportation Development Impact Fee (TDIF) schedule and annual adjustment to the TDIF.] NEXT. WE, UH, WE MOVE ON TO NINE TWO. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPTION OF A RESOLUTION OF CITY COUNCIL, UH, AMENDING THE PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT IMPACT. BE OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE T DIFF SCHEDULE AN AN ANNUAL ADJUSTMENT TO THE T DIFF, UM, STAFF ON THIS. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR STEVE MANGANELLI, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS. UH, IT STATED IN THE TITLE THIS, UH, THIS IS AN ITEM THAT COMES BEFORE YOU ONCE A YEAR. UH, IT'S REQUIRED BY SANDAG, UM, AS, UH, OUR LOCAL AGENCY'S CONTRIBUTION TO THE REGIONAL, UM, TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, CONGESTION RELIEF. UH, THIS ITEM WAS, UH, PASSED BY THE BOARD TO INCREASE THE FEE BY JUST OVER 2%. UM, AND THIS IS JUST FOR, UH, NEW RESIDENTIAL UNITS. UH, IF ADOPTED TONIGHT, THIS WOULD GO INTO EFFECT ON JULY 1ST. UM, AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING, MS. STAFF? IF NOT, UH, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I HAVE ONE SPEAKER, MR. THOMAS REICH. UH, I'M NOT FOR THIS BECAUSE THIS, I'M NOT FOR THIS BECAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO NEW STREETS IN NATIONAL CITY. MM-HMM . THERE'S NO NEW STREETS IN NATIONAL CITY AND YOU'RE JUST PRICING PEOPLE, YOU'RE PRICING HOMES OUT OF THE AVERAGE, ONLY ABOVE AVERAGE MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE CAN AFFORD 'EM. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON I THINK IF YOU WANT, YEAH, YOU, THE COUNCIL HAS THE POWER TO DO THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE THE POWER OVER THE STATE THAT DOES. THAT'S DOING THIS. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, WE'RE STILL IN PUBLIC HEARING, SO, OKAY. SO WE HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKERS. COULD WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND, GET THOSE UP THERE. MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, PLEASE VOTE. THAT JUST CLOSES PUBLIC HEARING. UM, OKAY. UM, MEMBER MOLINA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO, UM, HELP MR. REICH AND, AND MAYBE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FEE. IF, IF WE DON'T PARTICIPATE IN THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, MANDATE, WE DON'T GET TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FUNDING VIA TRANS. SO IT IS, UM, A GIVE AND TAKE A LITTLE BIT. AND THE, THE, THE, THE, THIS IS NOT JUST FOR NEW STREETS. THE, THE FUNDING IS ALSO HELPING OTHER THINGS LIKE, UH, IT, I THINK I HEARD THE MAYOR SAY IT WOULD ALSO GO TO PROJECTS SUCH AS FUNDING THE FRANC, WHICH IS CONSIDERED A, UM, MOBILITY, UH, PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, UM, I FORGET THE TERM NOW, BUT IT DOES HELP IN, IN SOLVING OTHER MOBILITY PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY AS WELL AS ALLOWS THE CITY TO QUALIFY FOR GRANTS THROUGH THE TRANSNET PROGRAM. UM, AND, UH, MAYOR, I DO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. I'LL SECOND WELL, A MOTION A SECOND. YEAH. AND, AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS EXEMPTED THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I BELIEVE A D IS TWO ARE EXEMPT FROM THE FEES. UH, THEY ARE EXEMPT NEW. THIS IS FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL? YEAH. WELL, YEAH. WELL, IT'S NEW RESIDENTIAL THAT, BUT, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT, IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT. RIGHT. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU CITY STAFF FOR PREPARING THIS AND THANK YOU FOR THE, UM, INDIVIDUAL BRIEF ON THIS. I, UM, SO I AM TORN IN THAT ANY ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT FEES, UH, INEVITABLY MAKE A PROJECT MORE EXPENSIVE AND, AND THAT HINDERS, THAT MAY HINDER SOME ABILITY TO, UH, DEVELOP. AND AT THE SAME TIME, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, PUSHING FOR, FOR, UH, UH, SPECIFICALLY FOR TRANSIT IS, IS CRITICAL FOR OUR, UH, FUTURE INVESTMENTS OF, OF TRANSPORTATION WITHIN OUR CITY. UM, I WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENTS OF UNITS THAT WILL BE FOR SALE. AND SO ACCORDING TO THIS CALCULATION, IT'S OFF THE, IT'S [02:15:01] JUST, YOU KNOW, BASED OFF A SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY. BUT THOSE COULD BE RENTALS, THOSE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, UM, ANY, ANY, ANYTHING. RIGHT. UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S SAFE TO CONCLUDE THAT SINGLE FAMILY FEES WOULD BE UNITS FOR SALE. UM, BUT, UH, WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND I WOULD JUST LIKE, UM, LIKE IT TO, TO PUT ON THE RECORD AND, AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THIS, HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE THE CONSTRUCTION OF UNITS THAT WOULD BE FOR SALE, UH, POSSIBLY EXEMPTING THEM FROM SOME OF THESE PARTICULAR FEES, OR, UH, JUST FINDING WAYS TO, TO, TO INCENTIVIZE THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT. IF, IF I COULD, UH, THIS WAS, THIS WAS TRANSNET TWO THAT WAS VOTED BY, UH, THE VOTERS OF SAN DIEGO COUNTY. AND SO IT'S VERY EXPLICIT. SO WE CANNOT DO EXEMPTIONS OTHER THAN WHAT'S IN TRANSNET TWO, WHICH IS FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, AND SO IT IS FOR INCREASED CAPACITY ON REGIONAL ARTERIALS. AND OUR CITY IS FULL OF REGIONAL ARTERIALS. AND SO, UH, AT THE TIME, THIS WAS IN 2004, UH, AT THE TIME, WE REALLY CAN'T INCREASE THE SIZE OF OUR STREETS. THAT'S JUST A REALITY. AND, UH, UH, SO I WAS ACTUALLY ONE TO HELP WRITE THIS INITIATIVE AT THAT POINT. AND SO WE ADDED IN THERE FOR, UH, UH, FOR THE, UH, UH, FOR TRANSIT, UH, UH, FOR OTHER FORMS OF, OF TRANSPORTATION. SO IT, UM, UH, IT CAN BE USED FOR, YOU KNOW, ANY KINDA LIKE BUS SERVICES OR ANYTHING ELSE ALONG THAT LINE THAT WE WANT TO, IN OUR CITY, WE HAVE FIVE YEARS IN WHICH TO USE THAT MONEY WHENEVER IT COMES IN ON A UNIT UNIT. AND AFTER FIVE YEARS, IF WE DON'T USE IT, IT GOES TO THE REGIONAL POT AND OTHER CITIES GET TO USE IT. AND IF WE DO NOT COLLECT IT, IF WE DON'T DO LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT, WE DON'T GET ANY OF THE TRANSNET MONEY, WHICH IS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR. SO IT'S, BUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S ALL DEFINED BY THAT INITIATIVE THAT WAS PASSED BACK IN 2004. SO WE WE'RE KIND OF, WE'RE KIND OF LOCKED INTO IT. AND THE SAME THING WITH THE AMOUNT. UM, AND I KNOW THAT THE COUNTIES AROUND US, UH, OTHER COUNTIES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, THEIR NUMBERS ARE MUCH, MUCH HIGHER THAN THIS. THIS IS A VERY LOW NUMBER IN COMPARISON, UH, TO THEM. AND, UH, RIVERSIDE, LAST TIME I SAW THEY WERE, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT $17,000 PER UNIT. AND SO, UH, AND HERE WE ARE, WE'RE DOWN AT ABOUT 3000. IT STARTED OUT AT 2000 AND IT GOES UP, HAS AN INCREMENTAL INCREASE EACH YEAR. JUST THE CORRECTION MAYOR. UM, WE DO HAVE, OUR FEES ARE ACTUALLY THE LOWEST FEES. AND THAT SOUND AG ALLOWS, WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UH, DIFFERENT WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE HOME OWNERSHIP PRODUCTION. RIGHT. AND A LOT OF THOSE CITIES, UM, CITY OF CH CHULA VISTA IS AN EXAMPLE RIGHT NEXT TO OURS. THEIR DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE IS FOUR TO FIVE TIMES HIGHER THAN OURS BECAUSE THEY'RE DEVELOPING ON LAND THAT HAS CURRENTLY NOT BEEN DEVELOPED BEFORE. RIGHT. BUT WE FACE A LOT MORE DIFFICULTY IN REDEVELOPMENT AND, AND, UH, REPLACING OLDER INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO AGAIN, I THINK THIS CONVERSATION CAN BE REVISITED IN THE FUTURE TO INCENTIVIZE THE CONSTRUCTION OF UNITS FOR SALE AND INCENTIVIZING, UH, WHAT KIND OF FEES THEY, THEY HAVE. AND, AND ALSO I DO THINK IT'S DIFFERENT FOR DEVELOPERS THAT DEVELOP MARKET RATE APARTMENTS THAN THOSE THAT DEVELOP UNITS THAT ARE FOR SALE, LIKE CONDOS AND TOWN HOMES. THEIR STRUCTURES ARE DIFFERENT, THE DEVELOPMENT IS DIFFERENT, THEIR FINANCING IS DIFFERENT. AND IF, IF WE'RE TREATING THEM THE SAME, THAT'S A MISTAKE. SO I WANT TO AGAIN, INCENTIVIZE THE CONSTRUCTION OF UNITS THAT WILL BE FOR SALE. I, I UNDERSTAND MORE HOME OWNERSHIP WITHIN OUR STATE, BUT ACCORDING TO THE INITIATIVE, THIS IS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT WE DO. I DON'T THINK WE UNDERSTAND. DO WE HAVE THAT WHAT I'M SAYING? BUT OKAY. WE'LL CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION AND HOPE TO BRING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL, ALL THE QUESTION, OKAY, WITH THAT, WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT. ONE ITEM AWAY FOLKS. WE'RE GETTING THERE. ONE ITEM AWAY. ALRIGHT, [9.3 Public Hearing: Fiscal Year 2027 National City User Fee Schedule] NOW THEN WE HAVE OUR, UH, NINE, UH, NINE THREE PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS ON FISCAL YEAR 2027. NATIONAL CITY USER FEE SCHEDULE. UH, ANYTHING FROM STAFF ON THIS OR IS IT JUST WHAT IT SAYS? OH, OVER HERE. GOOD EVENING. CAN YOU HEAR ME MAYOR? IS IT BETTER? ? UM, SO MY NAME IS RACHEL RERA, FINANCE DIRECTOR OF OUR CITY. UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO PRODUCE AND SHARE WITH YOU TODAY IS THE FEE SCHEDULE UPDATES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027. UH, WE HAD A FISCAL YEAR 24 25 MASTER FEE SCHEDULE SCHEDULE UPDATE THAT WAS PRODUCED LAST YEAR. AND TODAY I AM BRINGING FORTH TO YOU THE MOST RECENT AND CURRENT CPI UPDATES THAT WILL ALLOW US TO SHOW ANY INCREASES IN DELTAS BETWEEN ANY, UM, SCHEDULES THAT ARE ALREADY BEEN PREPARED. [02:20:05] PART OF OUR INCREASED COST FACTORS INCLUDE THE 2.6 CPI, WHICH WAS GENERATED AND EVALUATED BASED ON JANUARY 25TH AND JANUARY, 2026. INCLUDED IN OUR PRESENTATION ARE THE UPDATED SALARY SCHEDULES, WHICH INCLUDES ANY, UM, RECENT RATIFICATIONS OF MEMORANDUMS OF UNDERSTANDING NEW IN THIS RESCHEDULE, WHICH WAS NOT INCLUDED LAST YEAR, INCLUDE THE CANNABIS PERMIT RENEWAL FEES, CBP RENEWAL FEE OF 1000 1100 ANNUAL CBP FEE OF 1,500, COMPLIANCE INSPECTION FEE OF 2,400 AND THE FINANCIAL AUDIT FEE OF 6,500, WHICH WE DID NOT HAVE LAST YEAR. IN ADDITION, WE DO ALSO HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LIFE SCAN SERVICE FEE, WHICH WE ARE NOW PUBLIC, UH, PUBLICIZING AT $52. OUTSIDE OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE, THERE ARE NO NEW ADDITIONAL, UM, AMOUNTS TO PRODUCE OR TO PRESENT TO YOU. UM, AND THE ASK IS THAT YOU ACCEPT. AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. YEAH. WELL, I'M TALKING MY QUESTIONS OF THE, OF THE PRESENTATION. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, THANK YOU MS. BARRERA. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE NEW FEES PROPOSED UP HERE. UM, ONE IS ANNUAL, THE ANNUAL CBP FEE. UH, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER ONES? UH, THE OTHER ONE'S THE RENEWAL, IT'S A RENEWAL FEE. HOW OFTEN IS RENEWAL? SO THE RENEWAL FEE IS HOW OFTEN, UM, THAT AND, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE DATA RIGHT NOW, IT'S OKAY. YEAH. IF YOU ALLOW ME TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT, I WILL BACK. YEAH, YOU CAN COME BACK TO ME. I, I'M ALSO CURIOUS, HOW OFTEN DOES THE COMPLIANCE INSPECTION FEE APPLY? IS THAT ANNUAL AND HOW OFTEN IS THE FINANCIAL AUDIT FEE? IS THAT THE FINANCIAL AUDIT FEE IS ANNUAL. THE COMPLIANCE, I WILL ALSO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT ONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON THE REPORT? IF NOT, I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS MOMENT. I'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER, MR. THOMAS REICH. I'LL PASS ON THIS. THANK YOU . MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. AND, UH, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE PLEASURE MOVE TO ADOPT MR. MAYOR? SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO IT FOR ADOPTION. AND SO NO DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, [10.1 Approval of an Amendment to the Lease and Operating Agreement Between the City of National City and American Golf Corporation for the Operation of the Las Palmas Municipal Golf Course.] THAT GETS US THROUGH WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS. NOW WE GET TO 10.1. I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S HERE TO DISCUSS 30 MINUTE BREAK. OH NO. 30 MINUTE BREAK. TAKE A BREAK. WE'RE AT EIGHT 30. WE ARE ROLLING. OKAY. NOW LET ME JUST SAY WE'VE GOT A LOT OF SPEAKERS ON THIS AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE ASKED THAT HAVE GIVEN ONE SECOND TED. AND WE HAVE GI WE, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE PUT IN WHETHER IF THEY'RE FOR OR AGAINST IT AND, BUT THEY DON'T WANNA SPEAK. SO WE'RE GONNA GIVE EVERYONE A DEAL ON BOTH OF THAT. FIRST OF ALL, WE WANNA HAVE STAFF REPORT ON THIS AND WE'LL SEE IF WE MAY BE ABLE TO CLEAR UP SOME THINGS WITH THE STAFF REPORT BEFORE WE EVEN GET INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT, MR. P, MR. PACHECO. THANK YOU MAYOR. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. CITY COUNCIL. UH, YES, MIKE PACHECO WITH DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. UH, TONIGHT THE ITEM YOU HAVE IS APPROVAL OF AGREEMENT WITH AMERICAN GOLF FOR THE OPERATING OF LAS PALMAS GOLF COURSE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION TO EXECUTE THE AMENDMENT. UM, IT'S AN EXTENSION OF AGREEMENT FOR FIVE YEARS. SO JUST SOME KEY TERMS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, UH, THIS IS GONNA BRING IT, THIS IS THE EIGHTH EXTENSION TO FEBRUARY 28TH, 2031. THIS MEANS HOW MANY EXTENSIONS HAVE WE HAD? SO WE'VE HAD SEVEN, AND THIS IS THE EIGHTH. OKAY. AND THE ANNUAL RENT IS GONNA INCREASE BY 28,000 PER YEAR. UM, CURRENTLY THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE IS AT 6%, UM, REVENUE AND ALL OF THE OTHER, UH, GREEN FEES, CART FEES, UM, ARE AT 10%. WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BRING EVERYTHING UP TO 10% ACROSS THE BOARD. UM, AND SO JUST AS ESTIMATIONS WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT WOULD BRING UP AN EXTRA 15,000. UM, REVENUE GROWTH IS IDENTIFIED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL. IT'S BEEN 42% SINCE FY 22. LAST FISCAL YEAR, OUR REVENUE WAS 217,000. [02:25:02] UM, ANOTHER FEATURE OF THIS NEW THIS, THIS AMENDMENT IS WE'RE, UM, REQUIRING A 2% FUND FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. SO BASED ON MAKING $2 MILLION, UH, GROSS REVENUES WOULD BE $200,000. AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PUT IN, BUT THEY'VE, UH, REALIZED THAT THIS IS REALLY NEEDED. UH, THEY POLL THEIR GOLFERS, AND THIS IS BASED ON KIND OF PRIORIT PRIORITIZATION OF WHAT THE GOLF COURT, THE GOLFERS HAVE BEEN, UH, PROVIDING FEEDBACK ON. UH, AND THERE'S MORE DETAIL ON EACH OF THESE ITEMS IN THE STAFF REPORT. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH ANY OF THESE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. BEFORE YOU LEAVE THERE, SIR, I CAN ALREADY SEE WHAT THE QUESTION IS GONNA BE. IT SAYS UP THERE THE T BRIDGE REPLACEMENTS DOES NOT INCLUDE IN THE TOTAL. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AND IT'S, UM, LISTED IN THE, UM, AGREEMENT IN THE EXHIBIT. IT'S, UM, ACTUALLY PUTTING IN THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UM, STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH REPLACING THE BRIDGE, BUT IT WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THIS, UM, 200,000, 2%. RIGHT. AND SO THE, UM, THE TIMELINE FOR THAT AGAIN, IS LISTED IN HERE. UM, MANUFACTURING THE BRIDGE IS THREE TO FIVE MONTHS FROM THE PERMIT RECEIPT. UM, THEN THE INSTALLATION AFTER THAT, IT TAKES TWO TO THREE MONTHS TO, TO ACTUALLY, UM, INSTALL THE, THE MANUFACTURING OF THAT BRIDGE. OKAY. SO IT'S GONNA BE DONE, BUT IT'S JUST ON TOP OF THESE OTHER NUMBERS. YES, SIR. CORRECT. OKAY. JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS. YEAH, THAT'S STILL INCLUDED HERE TO BE DONE. GREAT QUESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JUST A FEW OTHER ONES. I'LL CLIP THROUGH THESE REAL QUICKLY. I KNOW WE'D SEEN THIS AGREEMENT PREVIOUSLY AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING. UM, BUT WE'VE ADDED A FEW, FEW EXTRA THINGS. THE EMERGENCY REPAIRS, UM, WOULD BE ALLOWING THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AT, UM, THE AMERICAN GOLF'S, UH, UM, COSTS SO WE CAN MAKE EMERGENCY REPAIRS. THERE'S ALSO THE INDEMNITY PROVISION THAT'S BEEN ADDED. ALSO, WE'RE HAVING MONTHLY MEETINGS MOVING FORWARD TO JUST HELP OUR, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION, MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE FOR MAINTENANCE GOES ANY PROGRAMMING, UM, TOPICS. AND WE'VE ALSO ADDED AN ANNUAL, ENSURING THERE'S AN ANNUAL REVIEW MEETING TO DISCUSS THE GOLF COURSE FEES. I KNOW THAT WASN'T PART OF THIS, UH, UM, PREVIOUS PUBLIC HEARING WE HAD, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL GO BE MOVING FORWARD ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. ENSURE THAT THAT KEEPS UP WITH THE MARKET. AND JUST ALSO WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, THIS IS SOMETHING WE ADDED. UM, IT WAS SOMETHING IN THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT IN 84 THAT THERE WERE FREE GOLF LESSONS, YOU KNOW, PART OF TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, THE INTEREST IN THE GOLF COURSE AND THE SPORT TO GROW. AND THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, WE HEARD YOU FROM THE LAST, UH, MEETING ON, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GROW THE, THE SPORT OF GOLF. UM, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF A PROGRAM THAT WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER ON. UM, AND THIS WILL JUST KEEP, KEEP MOVING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL JUST KEEP COORDINATING ON, ON, UH, ANY PROGRAM THAT WE CAN GET, UH, GET YOUTH INVOLVED IN. AND JUST, AGAIN, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT THIS AGREEMENT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. AND WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON THE REPORT? AND WE DO HAVE AMERICAN GOLF HERE AS I FORGOT TO OKAY. YEAH. WHEN WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH. WE'LL, YEAH, THEY'RE AVAILABLE IF NEEDS. WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY BRING THEM UP, . OKAY. SO WHAT IS BEFORE US TONIGHT IS AN AGREEMENT FOR A FIVE YEAR EXTENSION. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS WORKED OUT BETWEEN THE CITY AND AMERICAN GOLF, CORRECT? CORRECT, SIR. OKAY. SO THERE'S NOTHING ELSE BEING LOOKED AT BESIDES WHAT'S IN JUST THE AGREEMENT ITSELF? YES, SIR. OKAY. NO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT APARTMENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE ALONG THAT LINE, RIGHT? NOPE. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE 'CAUSE I READ THINGS ON SOCIAL MEDIA. OKAY. SO ANYWAY, THANK VICE MAYOR HAS A QUESTION. WHAT, THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A CLARIFICATION QUESTION. OKAY. UM, THAT I DIDN'T SEE AS PART OF THE STAFF REPORT AND THAT CONCERNS. UM, IN THE PAST WE HAD DISCUSSED AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, WITH RESIDENTS, UH, REGARDING, UM, RESIDENTS AND, AND HOW, YOU KNOW, TO ADVISE THE THE GOLF COURSE, UH, AND IN THE COURSE OF BUSINESS AND, AND YOU KNOW, HOW TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THAT? OH, I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T HEAR THAT DIRECTION FROM KIND OF PREVIOUS, UM, FEEDBACK. UM, MY, UH, FIRST KIND OF REACTION TO THAT WOULD BE, UM, WE DO HAVE A COMMISSION FOR THE CITY THAT DOES HAVE THIS IN THEIR PURVIEW, UM, TO, TO LOOK AT ALL OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES. AND THAT IS THE PARKS AND REC, UM, COMMITTEE. SO YOU ALL DO APPOINT, UM, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTATIVES TO THAT COMMITTEE. AND IT IS A PUBLIC FORUM. SO I FEEL LIKE THAT'D BE A GREAT, UH, PUBLIC VENUE FOR PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO COME TO THAT BODY AND VOICE SOME CONCERNS. WE'RE GONNA START WORKING ON SOME, SOME GOALS AND WORK PLANS FOR THAT COMMITTEE. OKAY. AND I THINK WE COULD INCLUDE, UM, REPORTING OUT FOR MY, MY MONTHLY MEETINGS FROM THE GOLF COURSE AND JUST LETTING 'EM KNOW. 'CAUSE WE DO, UM, PUBLIC WORKS ALSO, UM, ATTENDS THOSE MEETINGS AND REPORTS OUT ON PARKS AS [02:30:01] WELL. UM, AND THEN I COULD DEFINITELY LET THEM KNOW HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW OUR MEETINGS ARE GOING. UH, OKAY. I THINK THAT'S THE, THE MOST APPROPRIATE COMMITTEE. THAT'S, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN A LONG ESTABLISHED. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. AND, UM, DIRECTOR PACHECO, YOU ATTEND THE PARKS AND RECREATION UH, MEETINGS? YES, MA'AM. I'M THE LIAISON. AH, PERFECT. THANK YOU. I'LL CIRCLE BACK WITH YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE PRESENTATION? IF NOT, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, WE DO HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS AND, UH, UH, I'M GONNA ASK THAT IF YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, IF YOU WANT TO JUST SAY I'M IN AGREEMENT AND THAT'LL, THAT'LL JUST BE REGISTERED. UH, AND, BUT AS I SAY, BUT IF YOU WANNA SPEAK, YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO, UH, TO SAY WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO SAY WITH THAT. A REPRESENTATIVE FROM AMERICAN GOLF ONE OR MORE, WHO DO WE HAVE? YEAH, I THINK YOU DO REMEMBER, UH, JOSE GOMEZ. YEP. FROM THE LAST TIME. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE WITH YOU GUYS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. IT'S A, IT'S AN EXCITING EVENING FOR US, UH, AS A COMPANY AND ALSO AS A COMMUNITY. UH, WE LOVE WHAT WE DO. WE LOVE HOW WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT WITH THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE HAD SOME GREAT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, FROM OUR, OUR COUNCILMAN RODRIGUEZ, COUNCILMAN BUSH. WITH THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CREATE SUCH AS THAT AFTER SCHOOL GOLF PROGRAM. MM-HMM . UH, WE HOSTED MONDAYS AND WEDNESDAYS. WE ALSO PARTNERED UP WITH NATIONAL CITY MIDDLE SCHOOL. WE ALSO TEACH THE FUNDAMENTALS OF GOLF. ALL OF THAT IS FREE OF CHARGE. UM, WE PROVIDE THE, THE EQUIPMENT, WE PROVIDE THE TRAINING FACILITY. UM, WE ALSO PROVIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BALLS, ET CETERA. AND WE DO THAT IN HOPES OF GROWING THE GAME, GROWING THE FUNDAMENTALS OF GOLF, NEW SKILL SET, AND HOPEFULLY GIVING THE YOUTH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ONE DAY MAYBE GET A SCHOLARSHIP TO GOLF. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S, WE'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN. WE'RE PROUD TO BE THE, THE, THE STARTING GROUND FOR A LOT OF YOUTH THAT WENT ON AND PLAYED FOR SAN DIEGO STATE AND OTHER UNIVERSITIES. SO WE WANT TO SEE, SEE THAT CONTINUING. AND UM, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE ARE COMMITTED, UH, FOR FOR SUCCESSFUL PARTNERSHIP. WE'VE TOLD EVERYBODY WHO'S COME OUT, I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY, WITH STAFF. UM, WE'RE MORE THAN OPEN TO, TO HEAR YOUR GUYS' CONCERNS AND, AND, UH, COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT ADDRESSES THOSE CONCERNS. AND, AND ALSO, UH, CONTINUES TO CREATE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AND, OKAY. ALL GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. ALRIGHT. DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT'S REPRESENTING, UH, AMERICAN GOLF. OKAY. NOT SEEING ANYONE THERE THEN. UH, UM, THEN WE'LL GO OFF, UH, SOME NAMES. AS I SAID, UH, YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES, BUT IF YOU JUST SAY, WANT TO AGREE, YOU CAN DO THAT. WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANNA DO IT. WE WILL ALSO NAME, WE WILL ALSO, UH, NUMBER OFF TELL YOU HOW MANY THERE ARE THAT ARE, UH, BOTH FOUR AND AGAINST. UH, THAT SAID THEY DIDN'T WANNA SPEAK AT THE END. WE'LL, WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE ALSO. OKAY. SO, UM, JUAN LOZANO. THERE YOU GO. AND THEN WE GOT, UH, LITO. RESA. OKAY. I, JUAN LOZANO. I WORKED AT NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE FROM 1997 THROUGH 2002. AND I'M A SHAI ALUMNUS FROM THE CLASS OF 1999. THIS COURSE HAS SERVED THREE GENERATIONS OF MY FAMILY. NATIONAL CITY IS, IS A FAMILY ORIENTED CITY WITH A STRONG SENSE OF HOME. THAT IS EXACTLY HOW NATIONAL CITY FELT WHEN I WORKED THERE. THE DRIVING RANGE IS OPEN TO 9:00 PM AND STAFF DIDN'T LEAVE TILL NINE 30 OR 10 AT NIGHT. THE LIGHTS WERE ON, EVERY MAT WAS OCCUPIED AND THE COURSE WAS ALIVE. MY RECENT VISITS, THAT FEELING IS COMING BACK, BUT OF COURSE, HELP IS NEEDED. AFTER REVIEWING THE AGENDA REPORT. I AGREE WITH THE REPAIR NECESSARY. THE BRIDGE IS A MUST. THE COURSE NEEDS AESTHETIC CARE. HOWEVER, THE INVESTMENT SHOULD BE DIRECTED TOWARDS RE UH, REVIVING THE DRIVING RANGE. IF YOU JUST LOOK DOWN THE ROAD IN BONITA AT JUNIOR SOUTH BAY, UH, GOLF CENTER, THE RING JUST PACKED NIGHTLY WITH PEOPLE WAITING FOR OPEN MATS UNTIL THEY STOP SELLING BALLS. AT 8:00 PM THE REVENUE ONCE BELONGED TO NATIONAL CITY. IT CAN AGAIN, UM, I GOTTA CUT 'CAUSE I ONLY HAVE TWO MINUTES. THE AGENDA REPORT OR REFERENCES EIGHT GOLF COURSES WHEN COMPARING REVENUE PER ACRE. NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE STANDS OUT WITH APPROXIMATELY 44 ACRES. IT GENERATES ABOUT $4,948 PER ACRE RANKING THIRD IN THE REVENUE AMONG THE EIGHT. THAT'S IMPRESSIVE. IMAGINE WHAT IT COULD ACHIEVE WITH PROPER INVEST REINVESTMENT. THE POTENTIAL IS ALREADY THERE. THE GOLF COURSE IS NOT JUST GRASS. IT'S A VITAL COMMUNITY ASSET. IT PROVIDES OUTDOOR RECREATION FOR ITS RESIDENTS OF ALL AGES. THE YOUTH PROGRAMS, UM, EFFORTS OF CHUCK AND THE STAFF WHO ACTIVELY ENGAGE IN THE COMMUNITY. [02:35:01] HIGH SCHOOL, BOYS AND GIRLS, GOLF TEAMS WOULD LOSE THEIR HOME IF WE DID LOSE THE COURSE AND BE FORCED TO FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO PLAY. MANY SENIORS WHO RELY ON THE COURSE FOR EXERCISE FRESH AIR AND SOCIAL CONNECTION WILL LOSE THAT OPPORTUNITY. UM, AS A KID, I DREAMED OF MAKING IT TO THE PGA TOUR, NOT FOR THE MONEY, BUT TO HEAR THE WORDS FROM NATIONAL CITY, FROM NATIONAL CITY CALIFORNIA. PLEASE WELCOME JUAN ZAMO JR. I AM PROUD TO BE NATIONAL CITY. THE COURSE ISN'T JUST LAND. IT IS A PIECE OF NATIONAL CITY'S IDENTITY IT DESERVES TO REMAIN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. FOR THE NEXT KID WHO DESERVES TO DREAM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVEDO OKAY. PLEASE. IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT LONGER IF WE HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, APPLAUSE. TIME BETWEEN EACH ONE. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM. WE DO HAVE LIDO RESA, UH, DONALD DENNY, AND THEN JONATHAN DOW. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. CITY AND CITY MEMBERS. LEMME START BY SAYING THAT MANY OF US GOLFERS GREW UP IN THE LOCAL SOUTH BAY COMMUNITY. AS FOR ME AND MY NATIVE FAMILY, WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1959. MY INTRODUCTION TO THE GAME OF GOLF OCCURRED 30 YEARS AGO. THANKS TO MY COUSIN DAN BASH, WHO IS AN ABBEY GOLFER AT PLUS THREE HANDICAP. BASICALLY, HE'S A HIGH LEVEL GOLFER. TOOK ME ACROSS THE STREET FROM HOLIDAY SPA WHEN WE USED TO WORK OUT, UH, TOOK ME STRAIGHT TO DRIVING RANGE. UNBEKNOWNST TO ME, HE WAS CRUSHING THE BALL OVER THE NET, OVER THE OVER TWO 50 YARDS. ANYWAYS, UM, WHAT MAKES N NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE UNIQUE IS THAT IT'S RARE TO FIND AN AFFORDABLE GOLF COURSE TO PLAY. CONSIDERING THE INFLATED PRICES INCREASES TO THE GREEN FEES THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THE CANYON OF SAN DIEGO, GOLF BECAME MORE POPULAR DURING COVID TIMES WHEN INDOOR GYMS STARTED TO CLOSE, WHILE SOCIAL DISTANCING BECAME THE NORM. TO AVOID CONTACT WITH PEOPLE INFECTED BY THE CORONAVIRUS GOLF AT NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE ALLOWED NEW AND REGULAR GOLFERS TO ENJOY THE OUTDOORS WITHOUT THE RISK OF COVID. IT IS A SAFE ENVIRONMENT AND A WALKABLE NINE HOLE GOLF COURSE SHOOT. IT'S SO SAFE. EVEN THE RESIDENT COYOTES DON'T BOTHER YOU. . A NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE IS A RECREATIONAL SPORT AND HEALTH AND WELLNESS BENEFIT FOR THE US GOLFERS ENTERTAINING OUR GOLDEN YEARS PROVIDING HEALTHY LIFESTYLE. AND IT SHOULD REMAIN A CORE ESTABLISHMENT IN THE COMMUNITY. IT IT HAS GIFTED US, GIFTED US FOND MEMORIES AND THE JOY OF RESIDING IN THE COUNTY OF SOUTH BAY. I HOPE YOU REALIZE YOU HAVE A, A REAL GEM IN THE COMMUNITY. I, I BELIEVE IT'S A DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH NATIONAL CITY HAS A SIGNIFICANT INFLUENCE 'CAUSE UH, I USED TO BELONG TO A NONPROFIT FILIPINO AMERICAN, UH, NONPROFIT FOR AT AND TI WAS A FORMER EXTERNAL VP AND TOURNAMENT CHAIR PROVIDING SCHOLARSHIPS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE MAJORITY OF THE SCHOLARSHIP AWARDEES RESIDED IN THE SOUTH BAY. THANK YOU FOR SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT. OKAY. WE HAVE, WE, DONALD DENNY. THEY, THEY'RE NOT, THEY CAN'T HEAR THE, THE NEXT PEOPLE ARE BEING CALLED IF WE'RE CLAPPING. OKAY. APPRECIATE IT. DONALD DENNY, FOLLOWED BY JONATHAN DOWELL, FOLLOWED BY VALERIE RUIZ. SO, DONALD DENNY, JONATHAN DOWELL, VALERIE RUIZ. HERE SHE COMES TO BE FOLLOWED BY REUBEN SANCHEZ. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND NATIONAL CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS VALERIE RUIZ AND I AM THE A SB ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL AT MONTGOMERY HIGH SCHOOL. ONE OF MY RESPONSIBILITIES IS OVERSEEING ATHLETICS. NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE IS WHERE MY SCHOOL PRACTICES IN PLACE. IN ADDITION TO MY SCHOOL, THE ENTIRE SOUTH BAY LEAGUE FOR GIRLS AND BOYS GOLF UTILIZES THIS COURSE. THESE SCHOOLS IN INCLUDE SOUTHWEST, HILLTOP, SAN YSIDRO, MAR VISTA, CAL PARK, AND YOUR VERY OWN SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL. ON BEHALF OF OUR DISTRICT, I WANNA TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK YOU AND TELL YOU THE POSITIVE IMPACT THIS GOLF COURSE HAS ON OUR STUDENT ATHLETES. GOLF IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF THESE STUDENTS LIVES. THE NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE CHANGES THAT IT REMOVES THE BARRIERS THAT TYPICALLY KEEP STUDENTS, ESPECIALLY THOSE FROM LOW INCOME FAMILIES OUTTA SPORT. WITHOUT A COURSE LIKE THIS, WE WOULD BE FORCED TO SEEK OTHER COURSES THAT ARE ALREADY FINANCIALLY OUT OF REACH FOR OUR DISTRICT AND OUR FAMILIES. BUT THIS IS MORE, THIS IS ABOUT MORE THAN JUST A SPORT. THIS COURSE IS PLACED WHERE STUDENTS LEARN PATIENCE, INTEGRITY, AND DISCIPLINE. GOLF IS ONE OF THE VERY FEW SPORTS WHERE STUDENTS CALL THEIR OWN PENALTIES. IT TEACHES ACCOUNTABILITY IN A WAY THAT CARRIES INTO A CLASSROOM AND INTO LIFE. FOR MANY OF OUR STUDENTS, THIS IS ALSO THE FIRST EXPOSURE TO A SPORT THAT CAN OPEN DOORS TO COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIPS AND LIFELONG RECREATION. I ALSO WANNA SPEAK PERSONALLY, I STARTED GOLFING TWO YEARS AGO AND THIS COURSE GAVE ME A PLACE TO LEARN. THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN WELCOMING AND IT MADE THE GAME ACCESSIBLE. JUST RECENTLY, I SPOKE TO CHUCK ABOUT BRINGING MY SPECIAL OLYMPIC GOLF TEAM TO PLAY. AND IT SERVES THE COMMUNITY. THE GOLF COURSE [02:40:01] SERVES BEGINNERS, STUDENTS, FAMILIES, AND RESIDENTS WHO RELY ON AFFORDABLE AND CONVENIENCE. THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THE NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE AND ALL THE GREAT THINGS IT DOES FOR THE SWEETWATER UNION HIGH SCHOOL DISTRICT. THANK YOU, YOU RUBEN SANCHEZ. WE FOLLOWED BY DAVID ZEPEDA, FOLLOWED BY FORREST HANCOCK. HELLO REUBEN. HEY, HOW YOU DOING? MAYOR, ALL OF YOU STAFF, EVERYBODY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR IT. THIS FIVE, YOUR EXTENSION AND THE REASON IT HITS MY HEART, 'CAUSE I COME FROM LA AND MOVED INTO A BEAUTIFUL, UH, NATIONAL CITY COMMUNITY. UH, I HAVE SO MANY GOOD MEMORIES OF WATCHING YOUNG YOUTH SINCE I COME OVER HERE, GROW UP AND PLAYING GOLF MEMBERS OF OUR GROUP THAT PLAY HERE. ALL THAT YOU SEE HERE MADE ME PROUD TO BE HERE IN NATIONAL CITY IN SAN DIEGO. I LOVE SAN DIEGO, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M MORE OR LESS RAISED JUST BEING IN THE SERVICE. BUT THE IMPACT THAT I HAVE, IT'S A FAMILY. CHUCK, PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE OFFICE, MAINTENANCE STAFF, TERRIFIC. WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE, I DIDN'T KNOW WHICH WHERE TO GO TO PLAY GOLF. I LOVE IT SO MUCH. YOU KNOW THAT EVERY DAY THAT WE PLAY TUESDAYS, THE TWO DAYS OUTTA THE WEEK, THAT'S MY RELAXATION. MY HEALTH WE'RE 65 AND OLDER. WHAT A BETTER PLACE TO GET SOME RECREATIONAL RIGHT? AND, YOU KNOW, THE BEST ALL 'CAUSE OF OUR AGE. ALL THE MEDICATIONS WE TALK ABOUT AND THE HOW. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW GOOD IT MAKES YOU FEEL THAT I CAN WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND I'M GONNA GO SOMEWHERE WHERE I'M PLEASED. IT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD AND I TURN AROUND THIS, THIS IS A FAMILY TO ME, THAT'S A FAMILY. SO I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU COMING WHERE I CAME FROM, THE RESPECT THAT I YOU GIVE AND GIVE BACK. I LOVE YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DAVID , FOLLOWED BY FOR FORREST HANCOCK. WE FOLLOWED BY MCGILL CORLESS, I BELIEVE IT IS. DAVID, HOW ARE WE DOING? I'M DOING WELL. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS DAVID ELA AND, UH, I AM A NATIONAL CITY RESIDENT. I GREW UP HERE IN NATIONAL CITY AND AS FAR BACK AS I CAN REMEMBER THAT GOLF, THAT GOLF COURSE HAS BEEN A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. MM-HMM . UM, I STARTED GOLFING ABOUT A YEAR AGO. I NATIONAL CITY IS MY HOME COURSE. I BROUGHT MY KIDS HERE WITH ME TONIGHT. , THEY ALL PLAY WITH ME ON THE WEEKENDS TOO. I'M ALSO A PART OF THE 6 1 9 GOLFERS. THEY'RE BACK THERE TOO. , YOU KNOW. OH, I GOTTA WATCH OUT FOR THAT GROUP. NO, NO. SO THIS, HEY, LOOK, THIS IS HUGE FOR US. SO I URGE YOU AND I, AND, AND I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO IT BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS COVERED REALLY WELL, BUT I, I, I URGE YOU TO, UH, TO PUSH FORWARD WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE AGREEMENT OF THE AMERICAN GOLF CORPORATION FOR OPERATION OF THE LAS PALMAS MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. RIGHT. WE HAVE FORS, HANCOCK, MIGUEL CORLESS, AND THEN JUAN RINGO RAJO. GOT ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE HERE? FORREST HANCOCK. MIGUEL, ANYTHING ON THAT ONE? UH, JUAN RANGO NA RAJO. OKAY. NATHAN MONTE. MONTE, MAYOR. ALRIGHT. TO BE FOLLOWED BY TED GOTCH TO BE FOLLOWED BY BO. UH, MUNOZ. HELLO, NATHAN. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I SPOKE LAST TIME, SO I'M JUST RESONATING THE SAME THING. I AGREE. UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS LEASE GOING. UM, AS I SAID, UM, I'VE SEEN THE GROWTH SINCE WE LAST CAME IN NOVEMBER. UM, I'VE SEEN THE YOUTH AND, UH, THE PROGRAM ACTUALLY DEVELOP. SOMETIMES WHEN I GO TO THE GOLF RANGE, THEY'RE LIKE TAKING UP BY THE DROVES. THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS WHO ARE STARTING TO COME TO THE, UM, DRIVING RANGE AND UTILIZE IT, AND IT'S MAKING A GOOD IMPACT TO THE CITY. AND I FEEL LIKE, UM, WE'RE STARTING TO MOVE INTO A POSITIVE DIRECTION. SO, VERY EXCITED. AS I SAID LAST TIME, UM, LIKE I'VE SEEN THE COMMUNITY KIND OF GROW AND, AND DEVELOP WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO KEEP COMING BACK. AND EVEN THOSE WHO LIKE AREN'T FROM, UH, NATIONAL CITY ARE COMING TO NATIONAL CITY. AND IT, AND I SAID IT'S BOLSTERING UP MORE, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO GO TO OTHER, UH, BUSINESSES AROUND, UM, THE GOLF COURSE. AND SO I'M EXCITED TO HOPEFULLY CONTINUE AND, AND STAY AT NASHVILLE CITY AND, UM, GET MORE PEOPLE TO COME. AND I PLAY REGULARLY EVERY SUNDAY. AND CHUCK KNOWS I'M THERE LIKE ALMOST MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, PRACTICING AFTER WORK. AND, [02:45:01] UH, IT'S A GREAT COURSE. AND THEY, THEY STAY OPEN EVEN, UM, PAST LIKE SEVEN O'CLOCK. SO IT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO, WHO WORK, UH, PROFESSIONALLY. NINE TO FIVE CAN COME AFTER AND THEN PLAY. AND SO I'M IN SUPPORT FOR IT. I'M SO EXCITED AND I'M GLAD TO SEE EVERYONE HERE. AND, UM, IT'S A DIFFERENT ATMOSPHERE FROM LAST TIME. , WHEN WE'RE HERE TO LIKE NINE 30. SO I'M JUST EXCITED AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HELPING ME TO SPEAK. ALRIGHT, UH, TED GOTCH, FOLLOWED BY BO MUNOZ, FOLLOWED BY DANIEL CASTIO. SORRY IF I BUTCHER NAMES. THIS CONTRACT IS A GOOD ONE FOR THE CITY AMERICAN GOLF AND THE GOLFERS WHO USE THE COURSE. A BIG SHOUT OUT, A BIG THANK YOU TO MIKE PACHECO AND MR. JOSE GOMEZ, GENERAL MANAGER OF AMERICAN GOLF. ALL GOLFERS LOOK FORWARD TO THE IMPROVEMENTS PLAN SO FAR. I REALLY FIND IT INTERESTING THAT IT'S NOT REALLY CLEAR TO SOME PEOPLE WHAT OCCURRED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS LENGTHY PROCESS. A CONTRACT EXPIRED. YES. STAFF HERE HAD CHANGED MANY TIMES. THERE HAD BEEN SO MANY ROUTINE EXTENSIONS THAT THE TWO PARTIES REALLY WEREN'T ATTENDING TO OVERALL CONDITIONS. THE GOLF COURSE CONTRACT HAS SIMPLY RARELY BEEN A PRIORITY AT CITY HALL. WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN AGAIN. TEMPORARY DEPARTMENT HEAD, MR. TRACY LAMB, CERTAINLY UNDERSTOOD MY CONCERNS AND JOSE AND CHUCK HAVE BEEN RECEPTIVE TO MY IDEAS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT PRODUCTIVE DIALOGUE. THE CONTRACT HAS LANGUAGE FOR THE WORK SCHEDULE THAT ADDRESSES MANY OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED. THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T SEE WRITTEN OUT. THERE'S NO LANGUAGE THAT SPELLS OUT WHO IS THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY. AND I THINK WE NEED TO NAIL THIS DOWN TONIGHT FOR MAINTAINING RAINWATER FLOW PATHS, REMOVING THE CURRENT AND FUTURE DEBRIS, AND CLEARING OUT THE INVASIVE PLANTS, BUSHES AND TREES IN THE DRAINAGE, WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE PARADISE CREEK DIVERSION TONIGHT COUNCIL, PLEASE DETERMINE PUBLICLY WHAT NATIONAL CITY WILL DO AND WHAT WORK AMERICAN GOLF MUST DO AND WHEN IT WILL HAPPEN CONCERNING THIS LAST ISSUE, SO THAT THERE IS NO FINGER POINTING OR LACK OF ACTION DOWN THE ROAD. LASTLY, THE COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE GOLF COURSE WILL HELP YOU BETTER UNDERSTAND THIS CITY RESOURCE. YOU SHOULD REQUIRE A PUBLIC ANNUAL REPORT SIMILAR TO THE ONE GIVEN BY THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE LIBRARY THAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT. THE GOLF COURSE SHOULD FOLLOW THAT COMMITTEE MODEL. THAT'S, THAT'S THE COMMITTEE THAT I'M SUGGESTING THE TRUSTEES THERE. AND I OFFER MYSELF AS A VOLUNTEER TO SERVE AS YOUR RESIDENT GOLFER ADVISOR ON THIS MONTHLY MEETING COMMITTEE. I CAN HELP THE PARTIES KEEP YOU INFORMED REGARDLESS OF THE TURNOVER HERE AND STAFF. THERE'S THE CONTINUITY THAT I CAN PROVIDE AND THAT'S FOR THE NEXT 5, 10, 15 YEARS I'M GONNA BE HERE. MY EXPERIENCE AT PARADISE CREEK EDUCATION, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. PROVE TECHNICALLY SOUND OKAY AND INNOVATIVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, BO MUNOZ, DANIEL CAST AND JU MERCADO. I THINK THAT'S JUS LOOKS LIKE A-J-U-M-E-S OR COULD. NO, THAT'S OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANY OF THOSE, UH, MATTIAS. I SAW HIM HERE EARLIER. THERE HE IS. AND, UH, ANTHONY CORONADO, AND THEN JORGE STO. HELLO AGAIN. MY NAME IS MATTIAS GARCIA AND AS I'VE WORN BUSH AND, UH, RODRIGUEZ DOING IT FOR GO GOLFING, YOU'LL BECOME ADDICTED . ANYWAY, THE REASON I, I, UH, THE MAIN THING I WANT TO TELL YOU IS JUST TO REITERATE SOMETHING I'VE SIMPLY SAID IS THE GOLF COURSE IS AN ABSOLUTE GEM. AND HOWEVER LONG THAT NATIONAL CITY EXISTS, WE SHOULD KEEP THIS GEM IN OUR PUBLIC DOMAIN. IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE. MM-HMM . THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO DO HERE IS, I DUNNO IF I SHOULD ASK YOU THIS NOW, IS HOW MUCH DID THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY MAKE OFF OF THIS GOLF COURSE LAST YEAR? NOW I UNDERSTAND THE CONTRACT SAID THAT THE MINIMUM THEY WOULD MAKE AT $72,000 FOR THE LEASE FROM AMERICAN GOLF. HOW MUCH DID THE CITY ACTUALLY MAKE IN 2025 OFF OF AMERICAN GOLF MAINTAINING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REVENUE, THEY CAME TO THE CITY. HOW MUCH WAS THAT? ANYBODY KNOW? OKAY. CORRECT. YOU'RE RIGHT. COUNCIL, IMANI, IT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT. 217,000. GREAT QUESTION. YEAH, IT WAS IN THE REPORT. THE CITY MADE 217,000 LAST YEAR, THE LEASE, BUT THAT INCLUDES THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE AND THAT INCLUDES ALL THE OTHER REVENUES TOO. RIGHT? THAT WAS THE REVENUE THAT THAT THEY MADE. YES, SIR. THAT WE MADE. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO KNOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, THAT HAS TO COVER OUR EXPENSES ALSO. YEAH. OKAY. SO LET'S SEE. THAT WAS MATEOS. WE NEXT GO WITH ANTHONY CORONADO. AND THEN JORGE. JORGE, UH, SOKO. UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR. GOOD EVENING. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, MY NAME IS COR SOTO. I AM, UH, THE ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL AT NATIONAL CITY MIDDLE. AND I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE EXTENSION OF THE LEASE WITH THE NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE. [02:50:02] UM, AND THE REASON WHY IS, UH, EARLIER THIS SEMESTER, MY PRINCIPAL CAME UP TO ME AND BROUGHT THIS AMAZING OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO WORK WITH NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE. UM, WE PICKED A TOTAL OF 12 KIDS, UH, THAT WERE DISCONNECTED FROM SCHOOL, AND WE DECIDED TO TAKE THESE KIDS AND, AND WORKING IN A PARTNERSHIP WITH CHUCK. UM, WE'VE BEEN TAKING THESE KIDS FOR ABOUT FIVE TO SIX WEEKS. UM, INITIALLY WE THOUGHT WE WEREN'T REALLY GONNA GET, UM, THE KIDS' INTEREST, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN THE OPPOSITE. EVERY WEEK THESE KIDS ASK ME EVERY SINGLE WEEK, WHEN ARE WE GOING THIS WEEK? WHEN ARE WE GOING THIS WEEK? UM, I COULD SEE THE SPORT TEACHING THE KIDS RESILIENCY, SELF-DISCIPLINE, SELF-REGULATION. UH, SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, A PARTNERSHIP FOR NATIONAL CITY MIDDLE SPECIFICALLY AND, UM, OTHER YOUTH PROGRAMS, UH, WITH NA UH, WITH NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE. UH, SO THAT IS THE REASON WHY I'M IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, WENDY EGAN. ROGELIO S AGER. SHE'S GONE. AND THEN ARLEY SSA. WENDY'S GONE. WENDY'S GONE. OKAY, WE'LL GO ON THAT ONE. SO, UH, LIO AND THEN BE FOLLOWED BY ARLEY SSA. I HAVEN'T SEEN ARLEY. I THINK SHE DID. OKAY. HI THERE. MY NAME IS SO TO BE FOLLOWED AFTER THIS BY BLANCA SANCHEZ. OKAY. THERE STILL, HERE WE SEE. GO AHEAD. HI THERE. MY NAME IS LIO ROGERS. I'M A RESIDENT RIGHT HERE OF A NATIONAL CITY HOMEOWNER. AND A COUPLE MONTHS AGO I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE YOUTH PROGRAM. THAT'S WHY I TAKE MY KIDS, ALSO MY OTHER KIDS TO ANOTHER YOUTH PROGRAMS. AND THIS IS A SHAME IF YOU GUYS SHUT IT DOWN. THE REASON WHY, BECAUSE I COULD HAVE A SON AND FATHER TYPE RIGHT THERE. AND, UM, I SEE HIM HAPPY. I TAKE HIM TO PUBLIC PARKS. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S A LOT OF HOMELESS AND IT SMELLS BAD. UM, SO I HAVE TO GO ON THE WEAKEST TO OTHER CITIES, TO OTHER PARKS. AND WHEN I'M RIGHT THERE IN THE GULF PARK, I MEAN, IT'S FUN, IT'S NICE. HE HAS A LOT OF FUN. SO I'M AGAINST OF CLOSING IT. AND HOPEFULLY, I MEAN, SOMETHING WORKS OUT FOR THE FUTURE FOR THE KIDS. YOU HAVE SO HAVE, SO . UM, I LIKE GOLF AND I LOVE IT. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ROGELIO, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SOMETHING SHUTTING DOWN. WHAT WOULD YOU YES, THE GOLF COURSE. OH, THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY, THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT SHUTTING DOWN THE GOLF COURSE. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION I IT'S, IT'S THE LEAST EXTENSION THOUGH, AND YEAH. YEAH. BUT IT'S, THANK YOU. RIGHT. OKAY. UH, GOOD JOB. OKAY, WE HAVE BLANCA, UH, SANCHEZ. IT LOOKS LIKE NOLI AND I MIGHT EVEN GONNA TRY THE LAST NAME, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT NOLI, THAT OUGHT TO BE GOOD ENOUGH. UH, BLANCA SANCHEZ NOLI. UM, RON TULIO. RON STILL HERE? RON? NO, DON'T SEE HIM HERE AT THE MOMENT. UM, VALERIA EZ. OKAY. CHRISTOPHER NAVARRO, UH, THEY JUST PUT OUT IN FAVOR, BUT THEY'RE NOT SAYING THAT THEY DON'T WANNA SPEAK. UH, THAT'S A DIFFERENT FILE. UM, CAROLINA NOVATO AND MIGUEL PONCE. OKAY. THOSE, THEY ALL PUT THAT THEY WERE IN SUPPORT, BUT THEY, UH, BUT THEY WERE TO SPEAK, BUT THEY LEFT. SO THOSE WILL ALL BE SHOWING UP AS AS SUPPORT. WE HAVE ANOTHER STACK HERE, UH, THAT WERE IN SUPPORT THAT, UH, SAID THEY DID, DID NOT WANT TO SPEAK. THERE'S 32 IN FAVOR AND ONE OPPOSED. SO, UM, MAY I, FOR THE RECORD, IN THE WRITTEN COMMENT, THERE WERE 17 IN SUPPORT AND ONE A POST. OKAY. SO THOSE, THOSE ARE ON TOP OF THAT. ALRIGHT. SO WITH THAT IS ALL A PUBLIC COMMENT. COULD NO, I KNOW. NOT . OKAY. I'M SAYING THAT'S ALL PUBLIC COMMENT. SO NOW WE CAN, NOW WE CAN DELIBERATE. YEP. SO, SO REALLY WANT TO THANK EVERYONE, UH, FOR COMING HERE TONIGHT. I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE LEASE EXTENSION AND THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS, UH, I WANTED TO, UH, CLARIFY AND JUST, UH, TALK ABOUT. AND, UM, I'LL START WITH, UH, UH, MR. CHU [02:55:01] BROUGHT UP THE, UM, WATERWAY. SO, INITIALLY SOME OF MY CONCERNS, UM, JUST TAKING A STEP BACK, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, SO THE GOLF COURSE IN MY DISTRICT AND, AND DISTRICT FOUR, SO SOUTH, UH, SOUTHEAST PART NATIONAL CITY. IT'S, IT IS ONE OF OUR GYMS. IT'S ONE OF OUR LAST BIGGEST CHUNKS OF OPEN SPACE AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS SAID ABOUT JUST THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT SPACE, RIGHT? HOW IT'S MORE, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT A GOLFER MYSELF, BUT I KNOW THAT SPACE AND I KNOW, LIKE WHEN I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS SPACE, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM, UH, FOLKS HERE, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE OPEN SPACE, IT'S THE WILDLIFE, IT'S THE, IT'S THE COYOTES. IT'S THE NATURAL CREEK THERE. UM, AND I DID HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE, UM, AND STILL HAVE CONCERNS WITH, UM, THE INVASIVE SPECIES, THE RESTORATION, THE, THE PLANTS, KIND OF THE UPKEEP. UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, UM, BETWEEN OUR CITY STAFF, BETWEEN AMERICAN GOLF AS LIKE THE TENANTS, BECAUSE THAT'S PUBLIC LAND, RIGHT? BUT, UM, WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE CONTRACTS AND ALL ALL OF THOSE THINGS LIKE THE BRIDGE, ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF. SO, UM, I DID A TOUR, UH, LAST WEEK AT, UM, A GREAT, UM, UM, KIND OF BEHIND THE SCENES LOOK WITH, UH, THE GM, JOSE GOMEZ AND THEN, UH, CHUCK. AND SO I, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING THE TIME. UH, WE DID GO OVER A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES. MARTHA JUAREZ WAS THERE, AND MIKE PACHECO, COUNCIL MEMBER, JOSE RODRIGUEZ, OUR STAFF. SO, UM, WE GOT TO TOUR WHERE SOME OF THE DEFICIENCIES ARE SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING NEEDS. SO, UM, I, I DO JUST WANNA POINT OUT, UM, UM, AND JUST GET CLARIFICATION, UM, FROM STAFF ON THE WATERSHED ISSUES AND THE CLEANUP FROM THAT, UM, THAT TED IDENTIFIED. UM, I DO THINK THAT'S ADDRESSED IN AS PART OF THE, A PART OF THIS LEASE. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IN THE LANGUAGE, THAT THERE'S NOTHING ADDITIONAL THAT WE NEEDED TO IDENTIFY WITH THOSE ISSUES. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UH, THAT THAT IS, IF, IF WE APPROVE THE LEASE EXTENSION, ULTIMATELY ANY KIND OF FLOODING IN THOSE ISSUES IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF AMERICAN GOLF. BUT I JUST WANTED TO, TO CLARIFY THAT. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M THE EXPERT IN THIS, UM, PARADISE CREEK DIVERSION CHANNEL. UM, I DUNNO IF PUBLIC WORKS HAS A SECOND THOUGHT ON THIS. YES, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH, UM, MARTA JUAREZ ACTING DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, BUT ALSO THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS. SO WEARING BOTH OF THOSE HATS WHEN WE VISITED THE SITE. UM, SO AS, AS WE DISCUSSED, UM, LAST WEEK AND AGAIN TODAY, SO WE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THE PERMIT REVIEW FOR THE BRIDGE. AND AS PART OF THAT, WE ARE GETTING THE CONSULTATION FOR A CLEAR READ ON THE JURISDICTIONAL AGENCY, SINCE IT IS CONSIDERED A WATERS OF THE US UM, AREA. AND, AND PART OF THAT, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE CREEK, YOU KNOW, IS TIED DIRECTLY TO THAT. SO AS PART OF THAT PERMITTING PROCESS, WE'LL GET MORE CLARITY ON IT. OUR CURRENT INTERPRETATION IS THAT THE GOLF COURSE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE PREMISES. SO IF THERE'S A CLEANUP THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN OR, YOU KNOW, ANY PERMITTING OR REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS, THEY, THEY WOULD BE LIABLE. BUT WE WILL ENSURE THAT WE HAVE CLARITY ON THAT BASED ON THE ORIGINAL LEASE, THE EMPHASIS, UM, THROUGH THIS MEETING AND THE STAFF REPORT AND EVERYTHING WE REVIEWED IS MORE ON THE TERMS OF THE AMENDMENT. SO WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LEASE AND ENSURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. OKAY. THAT'S OUR INTERPRETATION AT THIS TIME, AND I'M FINE WITH THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND THINGS, UH, MIGHT, MIGHT, UH, CHANGE. BUT OVERALL, AND, UH, TED AND I THINK A COUPLE OTHERS, UH, WE TALKED. SO, UM, I DO WANT TO, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, RESTORE THE CREEK. I THINK THE CREEK IS AN ASSET, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY IN CONFLICT WITH, UH, THE GOLF COURSE. I THINK IT'S A GREAT, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT UNIQUE ASSET AND THE WILDLIFE IS PART OF THE GOLF COURSE. SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO PARTNER TO LIKE RESTORE THAT AND TO BEAUTIFY THAT, I'M IN SUPPORT OF, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE AMERICAN GOLF, UM, BEING WILLING TO, UM, EXPAND THE COMMUNITY ACCESS. SO, UH, LOOKING AT EVENTS, PARTNERING WITH OUR, OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS, UH, WITH OUR, OUR YOUTH. UM, I TALKED ABOUT EVEN HAVING SOME MIXED USE EVENTS IN THE, UH, OR MIXED EVENTS IN THE OFF HOURS, LIKE, UM, CROSS COUNTRY, UH, TOURNAMENTS AND RACES, UM, IN THE OFF HOURS, UM, OR MODELING OFF OF, I THINK IT'S EITHER BONITA GOLF COURSE, A CHULA VISTA GOLF COURSE WHERE, UM, THE, UM, THE EVENT CENTER AREA, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT'S SMALL. SO IN THE OFF HOURS, UH, ALLOWING THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE PARTIES, QUINTA IS RENTING OUT THAT SPACE. SO DOING THINGS THAT DRAW MORE REVENUE AND MORE, MORE COMMUNITY ACCESS, UH, TO THAT. SO I, I REALLY SUPPORT THAT AND APPRECIATE, UM, AMERICAN GOLF BEING, UM, OPEN TO THAT. UM, AND, UM, THE, [03:00:01] UH, AND THE THE OTHER THING I, I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, ABOUT YOU GUYS IN AMERICAN GOLF AND, AND YOU GUYS WILLING TO TALK AND IS, UM, THERE, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S ISSUES THROUGHOUT THE CITY WITH OUR, UH, WITH OUR HOMELESS, WITH OUR UNHOUSED POPULATION. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS HAVING A HEARTFELT HUMANE APPROACH TO THAT. AND, UM, 'CAUSE IT'S ALWAYS DIFFICULT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE HOMELESS AND YOU CYCLE FROM ONE TO ANOTHER, BUT JUST IN A WAY, HAVING THEM KIND OF WORKING WITH THEM AND HELPING THEM, HAVING THEM MONITOR KIND OF THE SPACE IN A WAY INSTEAD OF JUST, YOU KNOW, TREATING THEM BAD AND JUST KICKING THEM OFF. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THAT SOMETIMES, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE HUMANITY AND THE COMPASSION YOU GUYS HAVE. AND I THINK IT SHOWS BECAUSE, UH, THE GOLF COURSE, WHEN I COMPARE IT TO OTHER, UH, OF OUR PUBLIC ASSETS, LIKE OUR, OUR PARKS, IT'S, IT, IT'S DIFFERENT. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT SAME ISSUE, AND THEY ALMOST HELP PATROL. SO IT'S JUST O OVERALL I APPRECIATE THE COMMUNICATION, THE OPENNESS, UH, TO PARTNER AND TO INNOVATE WITH US. SO I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS ITEM AND, UM, AND WHATEVER WE COULD DO TO JUST, UM, AS A CITY, IT'S NOT JUST LIKE ONE WAY WITH, WITH, UH, WITH, UM, LIKE YOU GUYS TO US, I THINK WE AS A CITY COULD DO A BETTER JOB MARKETING PARTNERING AND BEING CREATIVE ON, ON HOW WE CAN EXPAND THIS AND JUST MAKE, UM, MAKE THIS MORE, UH, SUCCESSFUL. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE SHARING THEIR STORIES ABOUT WHAT THE SPACE MEANS MEANS TO THEM AND BEING HERE. AND YEAH, I, I JUST HOPE THAT WE CAN, UM, ALSO BE CREATIVE AND HOW CAN WE GENERATE MORE REVENUE FOR, FOR THE CITY? HOW CAN WE, YOU KNOW, UH, MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE GOLF COURSE, UH, SUCH AS THE, THE PROJECTS THAT WE, UH, THAT BROUGHT UP. SO I'M, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT KIND OF, I JUST, I FEEL LIKE A RENEWED PARTNERSHIP AND I'M, UH, REALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I, UM, I REALLY WANNA COMMEND THE EFFORTS OF STAFF, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN WORKING ON THESE DILIGENTLY AS WELL AS THE STAFF FROM, UH, OUR GOLF COURSE. UH, AND I REALLY WANNA COMMEND THE EFFORTS, UM, OF CONNECTING MORE SO WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND WITH OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS. AND, UH, I KNOW YOU ALL ALREADY DO GREAT WORK WITH OUR HIGH SCHOOL, AND CLEARLY THERE'S A VERY, UH, STRONG, UH, COMMITTED COMMUNITY HERE. UH, I DON'T THINK I'VE GOTTEN CALLS FROM, UH, AS MANY PEOPLE AS I DID ABOUT THIS ITEM, UH, EVER, WHICH IS, UH, QUITE HONESTLY A LITTLE SURPRISING. BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR, FOR, FOR ORGANIZING. UM, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, REQUEST, AND I KNOW YOU'RE DOING THIS WORK ALREADY, UH, BUT TO, UH, PLACE IN THE CONTRACT A, UH, COLLABORATION, UM, UH, WITH NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT AND SIOUX WATER UNION HIGH SCHOOL DISTRICT TO CONTINUE TO OFFER PROGRAMS, UM, YOU KNOW, AT OUR GOLF COURSE. AND I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE DOING NOW, BUT IT WOULD BE REASSURING TO HAVE THAT BE IN THE CONTRACT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL ARE OKAY WITH? IS THAT A YES? YES. NO. YEAH. FANTASTIC. OKAY. OKAY. UM, I MEAN, ONCE EVERYBODY SPEAKS, I'LL, I'LL, UM, ADD SOMETHING TO WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE PROPOSED CONTRACT. BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU DO AND, UH, GETTING CLOSER TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THERE AND DOING, UM, UH, A HANDFUL OF VISITS, IT IS CLEAR THAT IT IS A GEM FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ORGANIZING. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I THINK WHEN THIS CAME BACK TO, UM, YOU, I'M IN MY DESK AND HAD A MEETING WITH DIRECTOR PACHECO. UM, I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THIS, UM, ASSET THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. SO, UM, NUMBER ONE IS IT'S A PRIME ASSET OF NATIONAL CITY, APPROXIMATELY A A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OR FEET WITH A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS RENT A YEAR. SO THAT'S 1 CENT PER SQUARE FEET PER SQUARE FOOT FOR AN ASSET OF NATIONAL CITY. HOWEVER, THEY WERE, UM, DCM, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, MARTHA JUAREZ AND DIRECTOR PACHECO AND CITY MANAGER SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE 60 MONTHS, BECAUSE IT'S FIVE YEARS, IT SAYS DISCRETIONARY. I QUESTIONED THAT TOO. I SAID, WHY TOO LONG? RIGHT? BUT THEY EXPLAINED TO ME, YOU KNOW, THE ELEMENTS, WHY WE NEEDED THAT TO BE ABLE TO BETTER THE CONTRACT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS RELATIONSHIP. YOU, I MEAN, WITH, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE OVERSIGHT THAT THE CITY HAD, UM, MADE BECAUSE OF THE TURNOVER OF OUR DIRECTORS. SO, UM, I ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT FINANCIAL POSITION? WHAT IS THE UNDERLYING REPORT? AND SO I ASKED DIRECTOR FINANCE, I SAID, CAN WE GET, CAN WE SEE THOSE [03:05:01] ACTUALS? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YES, $217,000 APPROXIMATELY A YEAR, YOU KNOW, FOR FIVE YEARS, THAT WOULD BE A A MILLION ON A, ON AN ASSET, THAT'S ABOUT $50 MILLION, RIGHT? IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A REVENUE GENERATING, WE NEED, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I LIKE, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE CONTRACT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, THE ELEMENTS OF THE CONTRACT HAS BEEN, UM, REVIEWED AND, UM, PUT, UH, FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UM, I SAID, OKAY, SEVEN YEARS, THIS IS THE EIGHTH, UH, TIME THAT WE ARE GOING TO EXTEND IT. I WASN'T HERE PRIOR TO, I'M HERE NOW. RIGHT? AND SO, UM, WHY HAS THIS CO UM, CIP IS NOT DONE BEFORE, RIGHT? AND LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE FINANCIAL POSITION THAT'S COMING, WHY IS IT THAT, RIGHT? AND SO I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THOSE WERE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, STREAM STREAMLINED AND, AND, AND METICULOUSLY REVISITED. SO, UM, I, UH, I I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, THE, THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT WHERE WERE THEY BEFORE, RIGHT? FOR OUR KIDS. UM, I, I PULLED THIS CONTRACT MY FIRST YEAR IN OFFICE BECAUSE OF A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT SAYING, I WANNA PLAY GOLF, BUT I CAN PLAY IN MY OWN BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT. RIGHT? AND SO I'M, I'M, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, COMMUNITY BENEFIT FOR OUR YOUNGER GENERATION TO BE ABLE TO LEARN THIS SPORT. UM, JUST LIKE WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE PARENTS SAID THERE EARLIER, I LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, AND HOW, UM, WE, WE SCHEDULED THE CIP, YOU KNOW, THE RENOVATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ALL THESE RENOVATIONS THAT COSTING THEM ABOUT 267 WITHIN THREE YEARS, UM, OF, UH, ABOUT COSTING THEM ABOUT 2 76 WILL BE, WILL BE STRETCHED TO THREE YEARS IN REPAIRS. UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, I JUST PASSED THROUGH IT. I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I SEE WHEN YOU GO TO THEIR PARKING LOT, IT'S STILL DIRT AND GRAVEL, RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP, RIGHT? AND, UM, AND THIS IS A, AN ORGANIZATION THAT WHEN YOU GO TO THE OTHER GOLF PLACES THAT THEY MANAGE, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT. SO I WANT THEM TO, TO TAKE, UH, UH, TO TAKE THAT, UM, AND MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE SAME AS HOW THEY TAKE CARE OF THE OTHERS. IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S NATIONAL CITY AND WE DON'T LOOK AT WHERE NOW WE'RE LOOKING, RIGHT? WE'RE LOOKING AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE PARTNERS OF THE CITY, AND 60 MONTHS IS GONNA GO FAST. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PARTNERSHIP IS STRONG, IF NOT STRONGER. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, UM, THOSE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ASKED DIRECTOR, UM, THE DATA, NUMBER ONE, HOW MANY OF THE RESIDENTS ARE BEING SERVICED BY THIS, UM, BY THIS FACILITY THAT OUR RESIDENTS OF NATIONAL CITY? I LIKE THAT. I LIKE THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION OF HOW IS THE FINANCIAL POSITION BEING, YOU KNOW, BEING REPORTED? I LIKE THAT. UM, THERE IS A MONTHLY MEETING NOW AND, AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I LOOK TO YOU DIRECTOR PACHECO, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOW OUR CHAMPION HERE, AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE, THE RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU'RE BUILDING WITH THIS, WITH THIS ORGANIZATION WILL BE, UM, STRONGER AND WILL, WILL GROW TO BE A MORE PRODUCTIVE PARTNER OF OUR CITY, OF NATIONAL CITY. THIS IS A VERY PRIME ASSET OF THE CITY, OF NATIONAL CITY. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IN 60 MONTHS, WE'LL SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, FEASIBILITY STUDY WILL, WILL, UH, WILL PROVIDE THAT WILL, UM, PROVIDE US FOR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UH, REVENUE GENERATING, UM, FOR OUR CITY THAT IS REALLY LOOKING AT ALL THE NECESSARY RESOURCES THAT WE CAN HAVE IN ORDER FOR, YOU KNOW, OUR FINANCIAL POSITION TO ALSO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, NOT SUFFER. RIGHT? I, I, UH, I SAID, LET US, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WORK WITH THIS ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE ARE PARTNER, PARTNER WITH, THIS IS ONE OF THE PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE, RIGHT? AND SO WE WANTED TO GROW THAT AND WE WANTED TO, FOR IT TO BE A RECIPROCITY. IT'S NOT JUST TAKING, TAKING, IT'S ALSO GIVING, GIVING. AND THAT IS WHAT I HAVE, UM, ASKED YOU TO LOOK INTO IN THE NEXT MONTHS THAT WE ARE GOING TO, TO, UM, YOU AND RENEW THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS ORGANIZATION. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE, SHOULD I MAKE YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION AND THEN END WITH YOU? OR [03:10:01] DID YOU WANNA SPEAK AND THEN MAKE A MOTION OR, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT TO SAY. I MEAN, THE GOLF COURSE IS THE GOLF COURSE, AND IT HAS BEEN, AND, UH, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL CITY HAS A VERY LIMITED OPEN SPACE, UH, IN NATIONAL CITY. THERE REALLY IS VERY LITTLE OPEN SPACE IN NATIONAL CITY. I, I HEAR, YOU KNOW, I, I MEET WITH OTHER CITIES AND THEY'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY'RE ALL BUILT OUT. AND I GO THE CITY, I LOOK AROUND AND I GO, WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE HILLSIDES? WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE CANYONS? WHAT ABOUT ALL THAT, THOSE VALLEYS THERE? WELL, YEAH. WELL, WE SET THOSE ASIDE AS RESERVES. WELL, WE DON'T HAVE RESERVES. , YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR URBAN RESERVE IS THE WEEDS BEHIND THE BACKSTOP OF THE LITTLE LEAGUE FIELD. AND, UH, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, SO THE GOLF COURSE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, AND FOR OUTSIDE ACTIVITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN I SEE SOME OF THE STUFF ON, ON FACEBOOK AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WHEN THESE THINGS COME UP AND PEOPLE START, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A BUNCH OF STUFF ON THERE, AND IT REMINDS ME OF A QUOTE THAT I SAW ON THERE RECENTLY, UM, WHERE IT SAID, YOU KNOW, DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU READ, UH, ON, UH, ON SOCIAL MEDIA. AND IT WAS A QUOTE BY ABRAHAM LINCOLN. UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE SAME, UH, SAME DEAL ON THERE. UM, THERE IS, THERE IS NO DESIRE TO DO AWAY WITH THE, THE, OUR GOLF COURSE. IT IS THE NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE. IT IS OURS. WE JUST, WE ASK DO ASK HER TO BE RESPECTFULLY, UH, RAN AND EVERYTHING. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING OUT WITH AMERICAN GOLF AND THAT IT BE TREATED WITH THE, UH, UH, THE RESPECT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT, THAT IS NEEDED. AND, UH, UH, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, BOTH OUR COMMUNITY, OUR YOUTH, AND EVERYTHING ELSE ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE WELCOME THERE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. AND, UH, I THINK THIS CONTRACT GOES A LONG WAY. REALIZING WE HAD THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT AND WE'VE HAD SEVEN MAJOR EXTENSIONS. THIS IS THE EIGHTH ONE, SO IT'S NOT, THIS IS ANYTHING NEW. AND, UH, SO IT'S, UH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS DONE IN THIS IS THAT THROUGHOUT ALL THOSE SEVEN EXTENSIONS, THERE WAS A LOT OF HANDSHAKE AGREEMENTS. THERE WAS A LOT OF THING, OH YEAH, WE'LL DO THIS. WE'RE GONNA BOTH SIDES. AND IN THIS ONE WE DO DEFINE A WHOLE LOT OF THAT. YEAH. WHICH LETS EVERYBODY KNOW ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAPPENED DURING ALL OF THESE YEARS, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO CODIFY THAT SO THAT WE ALL KNOW EXACTLY WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS TO DO WHAT. AND THAT'S WHAT'S DONE WITH THIS CONTRACT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TOOK, IT MADE IT A A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO, TO GET THIS DONE. AND, UH, BUT THAT WAS THE REASON WE GAVE AN EXTENSION ON THERE. AND, UH, SO THAT WE COULD MAKE SURE WE HAD BOTH SIDES COMING TO FULL AGREEMENT, KNOWING EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE AT AND MAKE THIS ALL HAPPEN. SO WITH THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A, THE AMENDMENT TO THE LEASE AND OPERATING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY, NATIONAL CITY, AMERICAN GOLF, UH, CORPORATION AND DIRECT STAFF TO ADD ENCOURAGEMENT OF PARTNERSHIP WITH SWEETWATER UNION HIGH SCHOOL DISTRICT AND NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND REQUIRE AMERICAN GOLF TO DO AN ANNUAL REPORT ON REVENUE PROJECTS, REPAIRS, EVENTS, HABITAT RESTORATION TO THE PARKS, RECREATION, AND SENIOR SERVICES COMMITTEE. I SECOND. OKAY. NEXT. THANK YOU. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT REAL QUICK. I WANNA THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT. MM-HMM . THE, THE DECISION MAKERS HERE NEED TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY. SO I APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY COMING OUT. UM, IT, IT IS LABORSOME, YOU KNOW, IT DOES TAKE TIME, UH, UH, BUT I DO WISH EVERY SINGLE ITEM ON OUR AGENDAS HAD THE TURNOUT THAT, THAT WE HAD TONIGHT FOR THIS, IT, OF COURSE, SPEAKS TO US THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF NATIONAL CITY, AND I WANNA THANK AMERICAN GOLF BECAUSE I, ME PERSONALLY, I FEEL INCREDIBLY HEARD THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS. I COULD TELL THAT YOU TOOK THE MESSAGE, UH, CLEARLY YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE WERE COMMUNICATING TO YOU. IT IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR ON THE CONTRACT. AND THANK YOU, MR. PACHECO, FOR DOING SUCH AN OUTSTANDING JOB. THANK YOU FOR HEARING NOT JUST THE FOLKS THAT, YOU KNOW, WERE SPEAKING TO YOU FROM THE DAAS, BUT FOR HEARING THE COMMUNITY, THIS WAS AN EXCELLENT JOB. THANK YOU. RIGHT. OH, JUST REAL, UH, REAL QUICK. I, I CHOSE THE PARKS OF REC COMMITTEE. I WANT TO, SO TED, APPRECIATE THE SUGGESTION. I DON'T WANNA CREATE A WHOLE NOTHER COMMITTEE. 'CAUSE WE HAVE EXISTING COMMITTEES HERE, AND THAT'S A PERFECT ONE FOR THAT. SO WELCOME TO JOIN THAT OR BE PART OF IT. SO, BUT I LOVE THE IDEA. OKAY. HUH? I'M SORRY. I SAID NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S LIKE HAVING A OKAY. TIP TIP. MY BAD. THAT WAS MY FAULT FOR INVITING IT. I JUST, NO, NO. YOU OKAY? NO. OH, PLEASE, I'LL CIRCLE BACK. WHY DID YOU, WHY DID YOU POKE THE BEER? I THANK YOU FOR ASKING ME. MY COMMENT IS SIMPLY, THAT'S LIKE ASKING THE LIBRARY TRUSTEES TO CONSIDER LITTLE LEAGUE ISSUES BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH IN KIMBALL PARK. OKAY. ALSO, WHEN WOULD YOU DISAGREE WITH THE IDEA? OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. [03:15:01] UH, WITH THAT, SEE NO MORE, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND, OKAY. THERE IT IS. NOW PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE A UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO OUT THERE AND SWING SOME CLUBS AND HOPEFULLY HIT THE, AND HOPEFULLY HIT THE BALL. . OKAY. STARTING TOMORROW. ALRIGHT, NEXT WE GO ON TO TEN TWO. AND MAYOR, CAN I SUGGEST A BREAK PLEASE? I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD A BREAK TODAY. WE WILL, BUT IF WE CAN GET BACK UP HERE WHEN WE SAY WE'VE GOTTA GET BACK UP HERE, IT'S THE, A DEFINITION OF A BREAK. FIVE, FIVE MINUTES FOR, FOR, FOR A BATHROOM BREAK. BUT THEN WE'RE BACK UP HERE, SO WE'RE NOT, ALRIGHT. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER WITH ALL MEMBERS AT THE DAIS OR CLOSE TO IT. YEAH. AND, UH, WE [10.2 Cost Recovery of Abatement Costs for the Property Located at 1508 E. 8th Street.] NOW GO TO ITEM 10.2. THIS IS THE COST RECOVERY OF ABATEMENT COST FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1508 EAST EIGHTH STREET. UH, ANY STAFF REPORT ON THIS ONE? UH, YES. BEAR, UH, BRIEF STAFF REPORT. UH, THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY IS 'CAUSE SECTION 1 3 6 1 0 0 REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE A HEARING WITH THE COUNCIL TO DISCUSS, UH, RECOUPING THE COSTS OF THIS ABATEMENT THE PROPERTY IN MENTION 15 0 80 EAST EIGHTH STREET WAS THE SUBJECT OF A CODE ENFORCEMENT, A SERIES OF CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES DATING BACK TO SEPTEMBER OF 2024. WE HAVE A HISTORY OF VISITS, OF NOTICES, OF VIOLATION OF CITATIONS THAT WERE ISSUED AND PAID. AND ULTIMATELY THE CITY WAS FORCED TO ABATE THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD FAILED TO DO SO. AS A RESULT OF THOSE ACTIONS IN THAT ABATEMENT, THE CITY SPENT, UH, $31,331 AND 57 CENTS ON ABATEMENT ALONE. THAT DOES NOT COUNT STAFF TIME ASSOCIATED WITH ALL OF THE WORK AND INSPECTIONS THAT WERE DONE, WHICH WAS ANOTHER ALMOST $6,000. WE HAVE ROUTINELY TRIED TO GAIN COMPLIANCE FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER. THERE WAS TWO PROPERTIES ACTUALLY THAT WERE INVOLVED. BOTH WERE NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER. ONE WAS CLEANED UP BY THE, THE APPLICANT OR THE OWNER AT A SIX A SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER COST. HOWEVER, THE CITY HAD A LOT OF WORK TO DO ON THIS PROPERTY. IT WAS WORSE THAN THE OTHER ONE. WE HAD TO BOARD IT UP. WE HAD TO, UH, HIRE SPECIALIZED HELP, ET CETERA. SO, AND OF COURSE, WHEN THE CITY, UH, HAS TO CONTRACT OUT, WE'RE WE'RE PAYING, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN YOUR AVERAGE PERSON THAT YOU WOULD PICK UP ON THE STREET TO HELP YOU CLEAN OUT A PROPERTY. SO ULTIMATELY, THE $331,000 IS WHAT WE PAID TO, UH, THE COMPANY, THE, THE REMEDIATION COMPANY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING COUNSEL TO DIRECT US TO, UH, TO GET THAT MONEY BACK. SO THAT IS THE SORT OF BROAD VIEW OF IT. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPERTY OR THE HISTORY, BUT ULTIMATELY WE'RE, UH, WE'RE ASKING THE COUNCIL TO DIRECT THE, THE CITY TO RECOUP THAT MONEY. OKAY. UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS, UM, ON ZOOM FOR THIS. BOTH THE, UH, ATTORNEY FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER. YES, THEY ARE AVAILABLE. OKAY. GO AHEAD AND BRING THEM ON UP. OKAY. THOMAS BARRICK. GOOD MORNING COUNSEL. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. UH, AS STATED, I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CANDIDO FAMILY WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY AT 1508 EAST EIGHTH STREET. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION REGARDING THESE ABATEMENT CHARGES. NOW I UNDERSTAND THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN ON THE CITY'S RADAR FOR A WHILE, BUT A LITTLE CONTEXT THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT IS THIS, THE OWNER, UH, IS AN ELDERLY WOMAN, EVELYN CANDIDO. SHE OWNS IT VIA HER FAMILY TRUST. FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS, GOING BACK BEFORE THE FIRST NOTICE OF VIOLATION, SHE BEGAN SUFFERING FROM AN ILLNESS THAT CAUSED HER TO UNINTENTIONALLY AND UNWILLINGLY LET THE PROPERTY SLIP INTO A DISREPAIR AND CANNOT CONFIDENTLY RESPOND TO THE CITY'S NOTICES. THIS ILLNESS CULMINATED IN A RECENT DIAGNOSIS, WHICH SHALL REMAIN CONFIDENTIAL FOR PURPOSES OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING, BUT SUFFICE TO SAY, DUE TO THE ILLNESS AND RESULTING COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT, HER DAUGHTERS MICHELLE AND CAROLYN, IN [03:20:01] THE GRANTED POWER OF ATTORNEY OVER ALL MATTERS CONCERNING THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE SUCCESSOR TRUSTEES. THEY HAVE POWER OF ATTORNEY, AS I SAID, AND THEY'RE FOCUSED SOLELY ON BRINGING THIS PROPERTY UP TO CODE. WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH CITY'S OUTSIDE COUNSEL AT IKA, MS. LAUREN BROWN, UH, TO COORDINATE THE REPAIRS. AND ULTIMATELY THE PLAN IS TO BRING IT UP TO CODE, UH, AND ULTIMATELY SELL THE PROPERTY. WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, GIVEN THE CURRENT ABATEMENT CHARGE OF 31,000. I PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED A WRITTEN ANALYSIS DETAILING THE BASIS OF OUR APPEAL AND CONFIRMING THE CHARGES OVERSTATED. I'M NOT GONNA BELABOR WHAT'S IN THE WRITTEN REPORT. I UNDERSTAND COUNSEL ALREADY HAS THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE TWO QUICK POINTS. UM, AS DETAILED THERE AND SAID BY STAFF, THE TRUST OWNS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AT 1516, WE ONLY SPENT $6,700 TO BRING THAT PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE. THE FOOTPRINT WAS THE SAME, THE EXTENT OF THE DEBRIS WAS COMPARABLE, AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS THE SAME. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FIFTH OF THE CURRENT CHARGES HERE. SECOND, THE INVOICES INCLUDED IN STAFF'S REPORT, UH, INCLUDE PREVAILING WAGE RATES THAT ARE IN INAPPLICABLE TO THE LABORERS. CLASSIFICATIONS AT ISSUE IN THIS MATTER, AGAIN, DETAILED IN MY REPORT, THE ACTUAL APPLICABLE PREVAILING WAGE RATES ARE SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN WHAT THE CONTRACTORS CHARGE THE CITY. IN A BROADER SENSE, THE TRUST DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY IN IT. OKAY. GIVEN THE ONGOING MEDICAL CONDITION OF, OF EVELYN CANDIDO, THE TRUST IS GONNA NEED EVERY PENNY IT HAS TO PAY FOR HER MEDICAL CARE UNTIL THE TRUST CAN SELL THE PROPERTIES. THAT'S GONNA BE MANY MONTHS AWAY, GIVEN THE DEMOLITION PERMITS NEEDED FROM THE CITY, GIVEN THE SOME REMAINING WORK IN 1516. AND SO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE COUNSEL ISSUE A REDUCTION OF THE CHARGE, OR AT THE VERY LEAST, TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA SO IT CAN PROPERLY REVIEW THE WRITTEN REPORT WE SUBMITTED AND THEN MAKE AN ULTIMATE DECISION ON THE CHARGE. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, I KNOW YOU'RE VERY BUSY PEOPLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MICHELLE. UM, I GOT WORD MICHELLE THOMAS, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? YEAH, I'M SORRY. I JUST GOT WORD FROM MICHELLE. SHE'S ONLY OBSERVING TONIGHT. UM, SHE CANNOT SPEAK. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE ON THIS ITEM. UM, SO STAFF, ANY RESPONSES THAT YOU HAVE? UH, ONLY TO SAY WE, WE APPRECIATE, UH, THE, THE SITUATION. WE WERE AWARE THAT THERE WAS SOME DIFFICULTY IN COMMUNICATION, ALTHOUGH WE WERE TOLD MULTIPLE TIMES BY MS. CANDIDO THAT WE, THERE WAS GOING TO BE TRASH CLEANUP. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHY IT DIDN'T. UH, BUT WE TRIED AS MUCH AS WE COULD TO GET IN TOUCH. I BELIEVE ONE OF OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS DROVE TO UL TO DROP OFF A LETTER OR A CARD TO HAVE, HAVE SOMEBODY CONTACT US. WE DID ISSUE SEVERAL CITATIONS, BUT WE HAD THE, THE OPTION AT ONE POINT TO CITE DAILY PER, UM, PER OFFENSE, BASICALLY. BUT WE DECIDED WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF DOING. WE WANT COMPLIANCE. AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE'RE USING A CITY CONTRACTOR, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE APPROPRIATENESS OF WHAT PREVAILING WAGE IS SUPPOSED TO BE, BUT GEO SYNTECH, THE COMPANY THAT WE USED IS, IS ON RETAINER WITH THE CITY AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PAY THEM WHAT WE HAVE TO PAY THEM UNDER AGREEMENT. SO, UM, ULTIMATELY THAT'S THAT MONEY, THAT 300 AND OR SORRY, THE $31,000 IS, IS MONEY THAT WE ARE GONNA PAY. AND UNDER ANY NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, NEED TO GET THAT MONEY BACK. AND OBVIOUSLY THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A DIRECTION WE DON'T PARTICULARLY WANT TO GO. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD, WE AT SOME, AT ONE POINT, PROBABLY TWO MONTHS AGO, WE, WE SPOKE WITH ONE OF THE DAUGHTERS AND, UH, WE WERE IN DISCUSSIONS TO HAVE THAT MONEY PAID SO THAT WE COULD MAKE EVERYTHING, UH, YOU KNOW, COPACETIC. BUT APPARENTLY THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE. OKAY. A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS. OKAY. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE BEING BILLED BY THIS OUTSIDE COMPANY THAT DID THE WORK. SO THIS ISN'T, THE CITY WENT IN AND DID THE WORK AND WE'RE BEING REIMBURSED FOR OUR TIME OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE. CORRECT. THE 1508 EAST EIGHTH STREET WAS IN A STATE THAT WAS WELL BEYOND WHAT OUR CITY CREWS WERE CAPABLE OR REQUIRED TO BE DOING. OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE'VE GOT A BILL THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY, UH, TO CLEAN UP THIS PROPERTY. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING. NOW, I JUST HEARD THEY WERE SAYING, WELL, [03:25:01] THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED AS MUCH MONEY OUTTA THE ESTATE TO TAKE CARE OF HER WHILE THEY, TILL THEY SELL THE PROPERTY. SO THEREFORE, WHY IS THIS NOT A LIEN PUT ON THE PROPERTY SO THAT WHEN IT'S SOLD, THAT MONEY WOULD COME OUT OF THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP. BECAUSE THAT THEY SEEM TO BE SAYING THAT THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY IN THE ESTATE RIGHT NOW, IS WHAT I HEARD FROM THE ATTORNEY TO TAKE CARE OF HER MEDICAL NEEDS OR WHATEVER OTHER NEEDS THAT SHE MAY HAVE UNTIL THEY SELL THE PROPERTY. CORRECT. I MEAN, INCLUDING A LIEN DOES TAKE TIME. LET 'EM, LET 'EM SELL THE PROPERTY AND YOU PAY OUTTA THE PROCEEDS. I MEAN, UH, WHICH WILL KIND OF ACCOMMODATE THEIR NEEDS. BUT OTHERWISE, AND I'LL MAYBE THROW THIS AT OUR CITY ATTORNEY. IF WE'RE HAVING TO PAY A COMPANY TO CLEAN UP THEIR DEAL, THEN WE DECIDE TO REDUCE THE RATE. IF THERE'S NOT A, UH, A LEGAL REASON THAT WE HAVE TO TYPE OF THING OR WE SHOULD, IS THAT A GIFT TO PUBLIC FUNDS? UH, YES, MAYOR, IT COULD BE CONSIDERED THAT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE COMPANIES THAT, UM, ARE DOING THE WORK HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN PREVAILING WAGES. OH YEAH. THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WORK. THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH HAZARDOUS MATERIALS HERE, WHICH CHANGES THE COST WHEN YOU'RE USING A BONDED AND SECURED COMPANY. RIGHT? YEAH. BE BECAUSE YEAH, IF, IF I WAS GONNA CLEAN UP A PROPERTY AND I JUST GO OUT AND HIRE SOME GUYS, COME IN AND CLEAN IT UP AND HAUL IT OFF, I CAN GET IT A WHOLE LOT CHEAPER THAN WE, WHEN THE CITY DOES IT. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH PREVAILING WAGE, EVERYTHING ELSE. AND THAT'S THE REASON WE ALWAYS DO THESE THINGS AS LAST RESORT. WE LET THE, LET THE INDIVIDUALS JUST LIKE WE DO WITH THE, UH, UH, THE WEED ABATEMENT, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO GIVE 'EM EVERY OPPORTUNITY. 'CAUSE WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE A WHOLE LOT MORE EXPENSIVE IF THE CITY HAS TO HIRE OUT TO HAVE IT DONE. BUT, UH, THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, KIND OF THE REALITY. UH, OKAY. UM, YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, 15, UM, ZERO EIGHT EAST EIGHTH IS IN MY DISTRICT, DISTRICT THREE. I HAD REACHED OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, UM, DIRECTOR RONNIE SERANO WHEN, UM, NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA HAVE, UH, COMPLAINED ABOUT THE STENTS, THE, THE, UH, SAFETY AND HEALTHY AND THE HEALTH ISSUES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, UM, WE WENT THERE, UM, ACTUALLY FIVE TIMES WITH RONNIE AND THE TEAM WITH MY EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT ROMAN CRUZ. AND WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IIN REQUESTED, THE NEIGHBOR WHO IS A TENANT OF, UM, MRS. CANDO TO, UM, RELAY THE MESSAGE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SEVERAL TIMES SHE HAD, UM, EXPRESSED TO ME THAT SHE HAS A EDCO THERE TO PICK UP ALL THE, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY, IT BECAME A HAZARDOUS MATERIAL, UM, MATERIALS IN THE BACKYARD. UH, NOT ONLY THAT, IT BECAME A, UH, IT BECAME A, UH, A PLACE FOR, UM, THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE DON'T LIKE BECAUSE IT WAS VACANT. AND SO THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, EIGHTH AND PLAZA, NO EIGHTH. AND, UH, EUCLID IS A VERY BUSY STREET. AND, UH, IT'S A DENSE AREA IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THERE ARE BUSINESSES ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. AND SO THESE ARE THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORS AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESSES THAT CAME TO ME AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DISTRICT TO RAISE THE, UM, THE, THE COMPLAINT ABOUT, UM, THIS PROPERTY. SO, UM, SEVERAL TIMES, AS YOU KNOW, MR. SERANO IS A VERY NICE GUY. HE HAD PROVIDED THEM SEVERAL TIMES OF A, UH, OF AN ABATEMENT THAT HE GAVE THEM TIME TO, UM, TAKE CARE OF WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA DO. BUT BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE CONSTANT CALLS FROM THE CONSTITUENTS IN THE AREA, THEN YOU AND MR. SONO EVEN WENT TO UL BECAUSE THEY SAID SHE WAS THERE, AND THEN SHE DOESN'T ANSWER THE PHONE CALL ANYMORE. UM, IT, IT BECAME, UH, A PLACE THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S WHY NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES WENT TO CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND, UM, FOLLOWED THE PROCESS OF HOW WE CAN CLEAN UP THE AREA. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS $31,000 IS NOT GOING TO THE CITY. IT'S PAYABLE TO THE PEOPLE WHO THE CITY HAD HAD, UM, HAD REQUESTED TO CLEAN UP, UH, WHEN THEY WERE THERE CLEANING UP THE AREA. I WAS ACROSS THE STREET, ROMAN AND I WERE ACROSS THE STREET MAKING SURE THAT, UM, THE AREA THAT HAS BEEN A, UH, REALLY A, A A AN, NOT ONLY AN EYESORE, BUT A HAZARD PLACE TO THE NEIGHBORS OF, YOU KNOW, OF THAT PLACE, [03:30:01] OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, HAS TO BE CLEANED. UM, I, I WATCHED IT. UM, AND THEY HAD HOLD, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THROUGH A, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ENVIRONMENTAL WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE, UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST AN ACCEPTABLE SITUATION HOW THEY LEFT THAT PROPERTY IN THAT STATE. SO, UM, I WAS THE ONE WHO CALLED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES BECAUSE OF THE COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, MR. MAYOR IN THAT DISTRICT. THANK YOU. UM, JOSE, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER IMANI ON THE WORK ON THIS ITEM, AND THANK YOU TO CITY STAFF FOR IT AS WELL. I KNOW, UH, RONNIE IS INCREDIBLY COMPASSIONATE WHEN YES. TRYING TO, UM, ENFORCE, UH, A LOT OF OUR, A LOT OF OUR RULES. AND I'M ALSO SYMPATHETIC TO THE, UM, FAMILY AT THE TIME. UH, THIS PAST YEAR, THERE WAS A INCIDENT IN MY DISTRICT WHERE A HOME, UH, WAS ON FIRE AND PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF, UH, CLUTTER. AND, AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN, UH, WHEN THIS HAPPENS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND, AND, UH, ACCIDENTS OCCUR AND FIRES OCCUR, IT IMPACTS THAT PARTICULAR HOME, BUT ALSO THE SURROUNDING HOMES. AND SO IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE MAINTAIN A CLEAN CITY AND, AND, UH, EVEN IF IT'S OUR, IN OUR OWN BACKYARDS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK OUT FOR ALL OF OUR NEIGHBOR'S SAFETY. SO I AM, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, UM, ITEM. AND, UH, I REALLY WANNA, AGAIN, COMMEND OUR STAFF FOR BEING COMPASSIONATE AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A SAFE CITY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SEE NOTHING ELSE. OKAY. AND I, I WOULD, UH, I THINK IF THIS DOES MOVE FORWARD THAT, UM, WE WOULD GIVE THEM, YOU KNOW, THE OPTION IF THEY CAN MAKE THE PAYMENT AT THIS, AT THIS STAGE, THAT'S FINE. OR, OR A SERIES OF PAYMENTS. BUT OTHERWISE, I THINK THE LIEN'S THE BEST WAY AND THAT KIND OF DEALS WITH THEIR, UM, THEIR SITUATION OF SAYING THEY NEED CASH AT THIS TIME UNTIL THEY SELL THE PROPERTY AND, UH, WOULD STILL PROTECT, PROTECT US AND, UH, AND BE ABLE TO PAY THE BILL AND NOT, NOT PUT THAT ON THE REST OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, CHAIR. YES. ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AS, UH, RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF. ALRIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I WILL. SECOND. OKAY. AND SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, SO NO OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. IT DO, WE'RE GOING ON TO 10 O'CLOCK AND WE'RE GETTING INTO THE LIGHT ITEMS. SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH IS THE BUDGET NOW, SO, NO PROBLEM. ALRIGHT. UM, NOW IS, UH, . OKAY. [Items 10.3 & 10.4] UH, SO ITEM, UH, 10, UH, TEN THREE. THIS IS OUR THIRD QUARTER BUDGET REVIEW, SO I'M GONNA LOOK IT OVER AT OUR BUDGET STAFF OVER HERE. GOOD EVENING. HOW'S, HOW'S MY VOLUME? OKAY. I'VE BEEN TOLD I SHALL SOMETIMES, SO. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MORRISON, VICE MAYOR MOLINA, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, PAUL VALDEZ, BUDGET MANAGER. TONIGHT, I'LL REVIEW A FEW SLIDES THAT SUMMARIZE AT A HIGH LEVEL THE PROJECTIONS INCLUDED IN THE FY 26 THIRD QUARTER BUDGET STAFF REPORT. THE INFORMATION PRESENTED COMPARES THE FISCAL YEAR 26 ADJUSTED GENERAL FUND BUDGET TO THIRD QUARTER GENERAL FUND PROJECTIONS. THESE PROJECTIONS ARE BASED ON A COMBINATION OF YEAR TO DATE TRANSACTIONS AND HISTORICAL DATA, AS WELL AS INPUT FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS AND CONSULTANTS. ON THE REVENUE SIDE, THE BUDGET FOR SALES AND USE TAX ANTICIPATED THE CONTINUATION OF MODERATE GROWTH AND IS CURRENTLY PROJECTED TO SLIGHTLY EXCEED THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE. DISTRICT, DISTRICT TRANSACTIONS AND USE TAX IS PROJECTED TO FINISH $900,000 ABOVE THE BUDGETED LEVEL. THE REASON FOR THE INCREASE IN THE DISTRICT TAX WITHOUT A CORRESPONDING INCREASE IN SALES TAX, UH, IS DUE TO A FEW WHOLESALERS IN THE BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY CATEGORY WHO REMIT MEASURE D PAYMENTS TO THE CITY WHILE SALES TAX IS ULTIMATELY PAID AT THE POINT OF SALE, WHICH CAN OCCUR ELSEWHERE. STAFF IS SCHEDULED TO REVIEW THESE REVENUES WITH OUR SALES TAX CONSULTANT THIS MONTH. ANY CHANGES TO THIS ANALYSIS WILL BE INCLUDED IN A FUTURE UPDATE. NEXT IS PROPERTY TAX REVENUE, WHICH IS ESTIMATED TO FINISH WITH A SLIGHT DECREASE OF 70,000 [03:35:02] WHILE PROPERTY TAX IN LIEU OF VLF IS ESTIMATED TO FINISH THE YEAR 134,000 LESS THAN BUDGETED COMBINED. THE PROJECTIONS ARE WITHIN 1.6% OF BUDGET. FINAL AMOUNTS WILL BE KNOWN WHEN THE JUNE APPORTIONMENT REPORT IS RECEIVED FROM THE COUNTY. THE OTHER REVENUES CATEGORY IS EXPECTED TO FALL SHORT OF BUDGET BY 37,000 OVERALL, WHICH IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO A COMBINATION OF PROJECTED POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE VARIANCES ACROSS THE INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTS. THE POSITIVE VARIANCES INCLUDE SUCCESSOR AGENCY DISTRIBUTIONS, 300,000 INVESTMENT EARNINGS, 300,000. AND THESE ARE OFF SET SET BY NEGATIVE VARIANCES IN FRANCHISE FEES. 200,000 FIRE FIRE INSPECTIONS, 150,000 COMMERCIAL CANNABIS 134,000, AND BUILDING PERMITS 100,000. SO GENERAL FUND REVENUES AS A WHOLE ARE CURRENTLY PROJECTED AT $650,000 ABOVE THE BUDGET AMOUNTS. ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE PERSONNEL SERVICES ADJUSTED BUDGET IS ROUGHLY $3 MILLION HIGHER THAN THE ADOPTED BUDGET. THAT'S THE 57 MILLION VERSUS THE 54 MILLION. THIS BUDGET ADJUSTMENT REFLECTS COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE COMPENSATION INCREASES GIVEN AS PART OF THE LATEST LABOR NEGOTIATIONS. THESE COSTS WERE NOT KNOWN AT THE TIME OF THE FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET DEVELOPMENT AND WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ADOPTED BUDGET. PERSONNEL SERVICES IS PROJECTED TO HAVE A NET SAVINGS OF $500,000, $2.3 MILLION OF ESTIMATED SAVINGS ASSOCIATED WITH VACANT POSITIONS. AND TURNOVER IS, UH, ANTICIPATED TO BE OFFSET BY AN ESTIMATED $1.8 MILLION OF ADDITIONAL OVERTIME COSTS, PRIMARILY IN POLICE AND FIRE. AND AGAIN, THAT NETS OUT TO ABOUT $500,000 SAVINGS. OVERALL, GENERAL FUND MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS EXPENDITURES ARE PROJECTED TO BE $1.3 MILLION BELOW BUDGET OVERALL. HOWEVER, $1 MILLION OF THIS IS RELATED TO THE APPROPRIATION FROM THE ECONOMIC CONTINGENCY RESERVE. UH, FOR THE CITY REVITALIZATION PROJECT, IT IS EXPECTED THAT ALL OR MOST OF THESE FUNDS WILL BE UNSPENT AND WILL REVERT TO THE ECONOMIC CONTINGENCY RESERVE FUND AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. THE REMAINING $300,000 IS FROM ANTICIPATED SAVINGS IN VARIOUS M AND O ACCOUNTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THE CAPITAL OUTLAY CATEGORY IS EXPECTED TO SEE SAVINGS OF $200,000 FROM COMPUTER SAFETY AND COMMUNICATIONS ACCOUNTS. THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS ARE RELATED TO ENERGY BONDS AS WELL AS THE RCS COMMUNICATION SYSTEM FOR POLICE AND FIRE. UH, AS A SIDE NOTE, FISCAL YEAR 26 REPRESENTS THE FINAL YEAR FOR THE RCS PAYMENT, WHICH WAS $143,000. THIS YEAR TRANSFERS OUT ARE INCREASING BY $60,000 DUE TO AN APPROPRIATION REQUEST IN THE PARTS FUND FOR CON CONTRACTUAL TREE TRIMMING AND REMOVAL SERVICES. THE PARTS FUND IS SUBSIDIZED BY A TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND. ANOTHER NOTE IS THAT ALL APPROPRIATION REQUESTS AT, UH, INCLUDED IN THE ATTACHMENT TO THIS REPORT ARE ALREADY, UH, BAKED INTO THE PROJECTIONS. YOU SEE HERE, THE SLIDE SO SHOWS THE ESTIMATED, UH, USE OF FUND BALANCE IN FY 26. THE ADOPTED, UH, WAS ADOPTED AT 9.3 USE OF FUND BALANCE. UM, THAT ALSO INCLUDED THAT ECONOMIC CONTINGENCY RESERVE $1 MILLION AND FY 26. THAT'S UP TO 12.8 MILLION, UH, PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY THOSE, UH, MOU LABOR NEGOTIATIONS WE DISCUSS. AND, UH, NOW LOOKING AT THE THIRD COLUMN, THE PROJECTED ACTUALS, BASED ON OUR ESTIMATES, WE PROJECT AN ESTIMATED USE OF $10.3 MILLION IN FY 26 OF UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE. A SECOND FUNCTION OF THE QUARTERLY BUDGET REVIEW ALLOWS DEPARTMENTS TO ANALYZE THEIR BUDGET BUDGET AND SUBMIT APPROPRIATION REQUESTS FOR COSTS THAT WERE UNANTICIPATED DURING THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. AND THESE REQUESTS CAN BE FOUND ON EXHIBIT A AT THE STAFF REPORT, ALONG WITH REQUESTS FROM OTHER FUNDS. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE. APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM'S RESOLUTION WILL APPROPRIATE AN ADDITIONAL 500 6576. I HAVE MY READERS ON 5 75 5, [03:40:01] UH, FROM THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE OF THE GENERAL FUND. ANY QUESTIONS? YES. YES. UH, SO, UM, THANK YOU PAUL AND, UH, THE FINANCE STAFF FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. I'VE ALREADY SAID THIS, I DON'T NEED TO REPEAT IT. IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE TO GET THIS REPORT THE DAY OF. SO MOVING FORWARD, I EXPECT US TO HAVE THIS WHEN THE AGENDA IS POSTED WITHIN 72 HOURS. I ALREADY SAID THAT. AND THAT'S JUST, UM, I UNDERSTAND THINGS HAPPEN. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PERMANENT CITY MANAGER. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE MISSING SOME STAFF, BUT I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH TALENT EXPERIENCE TRUST IN THIS TEAM TO WHERE IF WE ANTICIPATE MOVING FORWARD THAT THINGS ARE GONNA BE LATE, THAT WE JUST COMMUNICATE THAT WITH EACH OTHER. IT'S NOT ABOUT POINTING FINGERS, IT'S ABOUT HELPING EACH OTHER OUT, BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THINGS ON TIME. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE ISN'T A COMPLACENCY WITHIN OUR CULTURE AND OUR ORGANIZATION, WHICH I DO FEEL THERE IS ABOUT ACCEPTING THAT, OH, THIS IS LATE, ACCEPTING THAT. AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ACCEPT THAT. SO I DON'T SAY THAT TO BLAME YOU, PAUL. I'M JUST SAYING, UM, THAT WE'RE A TEAM. I TAKE MY RESPONSIBILITY TOO. AND SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, THAT, UM, THIS, THE THINGS NEED TO BE ON TIME MOVING FORWARD. AND I, I'VE SAID THAT TO ALL THE STAFF THROUGH CITY MANAGER AND EVERYONE ELSE. SO I WANNA SAY THAT QUESTION. WHEN CAN WE GET THE DETAILED ACTUALS, UH, ON THE DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT BREAKDOWN? SO WE RECEIVED THE ACTUALS FROM THE HIGH LEVEL, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT I NEED TO SEE, IN ORDER FOR US TO, UM, DO ANYTHING SUBSTANTIVE MOVING FORWARD, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE CURRENT. SO WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE OVERTIME BREAKDOWN. WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS, HONESTLY, ABOUT WHAT SOME OF OUR PERSONNEL AND OUR WORKERS ARE DOING. WHERE IS THERE EFFICIENCIES? WHERE IS THERE INEFFICIENCIES? SO A LOT OF THAT IS IN THE ACTUALS. SO WHEN CAN WE GET THE DETAILED ACTUALS? THEY'RE PRESENTED AT A HIGH LEVEL JUST FOR PRESENTATION PURPOSES, BUT TO GET DOWN TO THAT GRANULAR LEVEL, THOSE REPORTS CAN BE GENERATED OUT OF THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, TOMORROW. OKAY. AND I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED 'EM TOMORROW, BUT I DO WANT TO WORK AND ENCOURAGE ALL OF US TO, UH, HAVE THAT DIRECT ACCESS AND CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT STAFF SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT AND, AND UNDERSTAND AND START, YOU KNOW, UM, KIND OF BREAKING THIS APART SO WE UNDER UNDERSTAND IT BETTER. YEAH. I'LL WORK WITH, UH, WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR TOMORROW AND, UH, GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE TIMELINE FOR THOSE ACTUALS. GREAT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I THINK THIS MARRIAGE TO BE, UM, TABLED BECAUSE OF ALL THE, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UNDERLYING QUESTIONS THAT COLLEAGUES HAVE, UM, AND THEN PRESENTING THIS, UM, BUDGET AT THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, IT'S . IT, IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M SURE PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING OUR SLICK ARE ALREADY SNORING, ESPECIALLY IT'S NUMBERS. UM, HOWEVER, I WOULD RECOMMEND FOR US TO, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS, THIS BUDGET, UM, THIS STUDY SHOULD BE, UH, NOT INTERSPERSED WITH ALL THIS AGENDA ITEMS THAT, UM, YOU NO MEAN THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A FOCUS ON THIS BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S AN IMPORTANT ITEM. ARE YOU ASKING FOR A SEPARATE, UH, BUDGET WORKSHOP? I THINK I BELIEVE SO, MR. CHAIR. UH, I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE IT JUST THAT ITEM TO TAKE CARE OF THIS, UH, BUDGET STUDY. SO THEN WE CAN GET UNNECESSARY MATERIALS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M IN COLLEAGUES AND MYSELF ARE, ARE, UH, LOOKING FOR. UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YES, OF COURSE THERE, THERE'S A HUGE EFFORT OF GIVING US THE HIGH LEVEL PROJECTED, UM, REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES, BUT IT'S, UH, BETTER IF WE UNDERSTAND, UM, THE UNDERLYING OF HOW WE GOT TO THOSE NUMBERS. AND SO, UH, A GOOD, UM, UM, UM, BUDGET STUDY SEPARATE FROM THE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS, JUST THIS ONE. SO THEN WE HAVE OUR FOCUS ON TAKING CARE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT OF RUNNING THIS ORGANIZATION. THANK YOU MAYOR. MR. MAYOR. YES. I, I, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE OPEN TO THAT BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S, IT'S 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND THIS CONVERSATION CAN GO ON FOR A COUPLE HOURS PRETTY EASILY, AND I DON'T SEE TOO MANY FOLKS IN THE CROWD THAT WOULD BE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. UM, SO I, I, I AM, UH, I ACTUALLY DO AGREE WITH THAT. DID I HEAR A YES. PERFECT. . [03:45:01] TWO HOURS. UM, SO I DO AGREE WITH THAT. I WOULD, WOULD, WOULD YOU BE OPEN? UH, WOULD YOU ALL BE OPEN TO HEARING, UH, 10.4 AS WELL? UH, AT LEAST INITIALLY AND THEN HAVING A, UH, ADDITIONAL BUDGET WORKSHOP IN THE FUTURE? SO AT LEAST WE HAVE THE INITIAL NUMBERS AND MAYBE INITIAL INITIAL DIRECTION, BECAUSE IT IS, IT WOULD BE A LOT, I THINK, I THINK IT'S A VERY EASILY TWO HOUR LONG CONVERSATION. OKAY. UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO HEAR BOTH OF THESE TONIGHT. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND JUST HAVE ONCE, ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE AT THE 30,000 FOOT LEVEL. UH, HERE'S A COUPLE OF THE PROBLEMS HERE. WE ARE GETTING TOWARD THE END OF APRIL. UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE BUDGET PUT TOGETHER AND APPROVED IN JUNE BY STATE LAW. AND SO IT'S, IT'S, AND THIS, AND WE'RE AT THE 30,000 FOOT LEVEL NOW, AND WE'VE GOTTA BE DOWN AT GROUND ZERO IN JUNE. SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A, A, A A LOT OF WORK TO GET TO THAT POINT. AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF SPECIAL MEETINGS ALREADY BECAUSE OF THE VACANCIES AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING. UM, SO IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, THIS, THE MEETING, UH, FOR THIS LEVEL OF THE BUDGET IS GONNA HAVE TO BE HERE FAIRLY QUICK. AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE WILLING TO REALLY ADJUST SCHEDULES, EVERYTHING ELSE TO MAKE THAT, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN IF WE'RE GONNA BE ADDING EXTRA LARGE SCALE WORKSHOPS LIKE THIS. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOME REAL FLEXIBILITY ON, ON EVERYONE'S PART. I WILL SAY I'M ENCOURAGED, UM, THAT STAFF CAN PULL UP THE, UM, ACTUALS PRETTY QUICKLY. SO THAT IS VERY ENCOURAGING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. AND I THINK IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE TIME FOR US TO BREAK DOWN IN. THAT, TO ME IS MORE AT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL, UM, KIND OF MEETINGS. AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SCHEDULE A SPECIAL WORKSHOP IN ONE OR TWO WEEKS. MAYBE IT'S THE FIRST IN IN MAY. PROBABLY IN MAY. UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT LIKE HARDLY ANYTHING IN APRIL. UM, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL IF WE HAD COUNCIL KIND OF BROKE, BROKE THIS DOWN, LIKE ON OUR, YOU KNOW, OFF TIME AND TOOK CHARGE OF, I MEAN, I'M NOT TRYING TO OVERLY MICROMANAGE IT, BUT I, I JUST THINK WE, IF WE ALL DIVIDE AND CONQUER, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENTS OR SOMETHING, LIKE I'D, I'D BE OPEN TO THAT. SO WHY DON'T WE, OKAY, SO WE'VE HAD THE PRESENTATION ON THIS PART, WHICH IS JUST THE THIRD QUARTER, AND THEN THE PROJECTIONS BASICALLY FOR THE, FOR THE REST OF THIS YEAR. AND MY, UH, I WOULD AGREE TO TABLE THIS TO A, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT THE NEXT PART WE'RE GONNA DO AT A WORKSHOP. SO IT WILL TAKE IN WHAT OUR, WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY AT, WHAT OUR PROJECTIONS ARE THAT WILL LEAD US INTO THIS BUDGET FOR THIS NEXT YEAR. I JUST A LITTLE PUSHBACK. UM, SO I, FOR ME, I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE ADJUSTMENTS, UM, THE APPROPRIATION REQUESTS BECAUSE WE REVIEWED THOSE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE THREE, I MEAN, SO DO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT OR NO? YEAH, YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE AHEAD WITH THAT. BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT USING IT AS FAR AS THE DISCUSSION ON THE WORKSHOP FOR PLANNING THE BUDGET. SO I STILL WANNA BRING THIS BACK AS FAR AS THAT, IF WE WANT TO APPROVE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS TONIGHT, SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN ONES WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE ADJUSTMENTS. I THINK THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. OKAY. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE ADJUSTMENTS, BUT IF, IF, UM, YEAH, MY COLLEAGUES AREN'T COMFORTABLE, UH, YET, THEN I'M, I'M FINE. UH, TABLING THAT, I, I FELT, UH, GOOD WITH THE, UM, THE ADJUSTMENTS, UM, MADE, MADE SENSE. I LIKE, I'M 10.3 I THINK. I THINK I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE. I I'M GOOD WITH THAT. UH, MAYOR IMANI, YOU GOT YOUR LIGHT ON TO SPEAK? YES. OKAY. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THIS IS A, UH, PART OF, UM, YOU KNOW, I, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS A PART THAT WE HAVE TO PUT TIME IN. IT CANNOT BE RUSHED BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS THE HEARTBEAT OF OUR ORGANIZATION. AND YOU, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING, BUT I THINK WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT, I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FOR THE, FOR THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF THE NATIONAL CITY. IT, WELL, THE ONLY THING I I'M THINKING OF IS THAT THE, UH, THAT I WOULD SAY AS FAR AS THESE REQUESTS, THESE REQUESTS ARE FOR THIS QUARTER AND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE SPENT WITHIN THIS QUARTER THAT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON. SO WE CAN'T WAIT TILL THE END OF THE QUARTER TO APPROVE THEM IF WE'RE, IF WE ARE GONNA DO APPROVAL ON THEM. SO THESE ARE ALL ONES THAT ARE WORK THAT WE DO NEED TO HAVE DONE NOW. AND SO THEREFORE, ARE WE GONNA FUND IT FOR THAT WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW? OR DO WE WAIT TILL LATER? OH, SORRY. I THINK THE, UH, THE CRUCIAL PART HERE THAT I SEE IS THE $60,000, BECAUSE I WANT THOSE THREE TRIMED, , , BECAUSE IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. AH. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BUT, UM, BUT, BUT I, I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT SIX HUNDRED AND THIRTY FIVE FIVE, [03:50:01] YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M, I'M SURE, UM, WE KNOW WHERE TO GET THEM. RIGHT. MR. PAUL? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? WE KNOW WHERE TO GET, WE KNOW WHERE TO GET IT. RIGHT? TO GET WHAT? TO GET 635 5. IT'S THE APPROPRIATION REQUEST THAT HAS BEEN MADE, ADDING 'EM ALL UP. 635,000, 36 35. I THOUGHT IT WAS 7 5 7. NO, WELL, YOU, YOU HAVE TO ADD THE 60,000 ONTO THAT. THIS IS PROBABLY THE REASON WHY WE SHOULD DO THIS AT A LATER TIME. , BUT I, I THINK SHE'S ALLUDING TO THE EXPENDITURE APPROPRIATION REQUESTS OF Q3 FOR 635,000. OKAY. I WOULD, UH, IF, IF WE COULD HAVE THIS, IF WE COULD PUT A WORKSHOP TOGETHER, SHALL WE SAY, TO THE, THAT FIRST PART OF MAY COUPLE WEEKS, I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE US TIME TO BE ABLE TO STILL HAVE THIS, BECAUSE SOME OF THIS STUFF, I MEAN, SOME OF IT'S IS ASKING FOR EVEN, UH, OH, SOME OF THE UNIFORM AND EVERYTHING FOR THE TWO IN NEW, TWO NEW INSPECTORS WE GOT. I MEAN, SO, YOU KNOW, THEY, WE PROBABLY NEED TO, PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE THAT, UH, PRETTY MUCH UP FRONT, DON'T WE? YEAH. AND, UH, UM, SO THE, UH, YEAH, SO HOLD UP IT, I THINK, BUT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT SOONER THAN LATER. JUST CAN'T WAIT TILL WE, TILL WE FINALIZE THE BUDGET. SO WE HAVE A, UH, REGULARLY SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING ON TUESDAY THE FIFTH. SO THEN SHOULD WE LOOK AT A THURSDAY OR FRIDAY SPECIAL MEETING TENTATIVELY AND PUTTING THAT ON HOLD? AND I'M LOOKING AT STAFF TOO, OR THE LATEST ON THE 12TH ON AN OFF OFF TUESDAY. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING SCHEDULED FOR THAT OFF TUESDAY? OH, NO, WE DON'T. MAYBE THAT'S, SO I DON'T KNOW. SO MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, CITY MANAGER. YEAH. WHAT DAY ARE YOU GUYS LOOKING AT? I WAS LOOKING AT MAY, UM, MAY 4TH, MAY 7TH, MAY 8TH. UH, MAY 12TH. WELL, MAY 4TH IS THE MONDAY. SO TUESDAY IS REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING, BUT DATE THIS WHERE YOU'RE SUGGESTING ON MONDAY? YES. LIKE THE DAY BEFORE? YES. OH, MAY 4TH. OKAY. MAY 4TH. SO THEN WE CAN MM-HMM . WELL, YOU SAID TIMES OF THE ESSENCE. WE HAVE MAY 4TH IF THE, IF THE FIVE OF US ARE AVAILABLE, AND YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT WITH MAY 4TH. RIGHT. SO I'M THE VERY NEXT DAY WE HAVE CITY COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL. YEAH. IS THAT TOO CHALLENGING FOR STAFF? LET'S JUST BACK TO, WE HAVE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THOSE MEETINGS ON THOSE DAYS AS WELL. OH, PLANNING COMMISSION IS MEETING IN THE CHANGE ON MONDAYS, MONDAY, MAY 11TH OR TUESDAY, MAY 12TH. I SUPPOSE. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS NOW ON THE S BUT, BUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, WELL, WHY, WHY, WHY DON'T WE HAVE STAFF TAKE, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SOME, SOME DATES IN THE EARLIER, EARLY PORTION OF MAY, AND THAT'LL GIVE TIME TO, UH, YOU KNOW, GET A, GET A LOT OF THIS STUFF TOGETHER. UM, AND, UM, AND AS I SAY, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE ANY DATE THAT'S GONNA BE AN IDEAL DATE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO WAIT FOR AN IDEAL DATE, I'M AFRAID. MR. MAYOR, HOW ABOUT MONDAY? STARTING AT NOON ON WHAT, WHAT MONDAY? MAY 4TH. I, I, SO I AM OPEN TO THAT TOO, BECAUSE WE COULD DO A, A EARLIER, A MIDDAY ONE. MM-HMM . SO MM-HMM . AND GIVEN HOW TECH, TECH TECHNICAL IT IS, AND IT'S STILL, AND THEN WE'RE OUTTA HERE BY SIX. BY BEFORE SIX. YEAH. I LIKE, I LIKE THAT IDEA. MAY 4TH. NO PROBLEM. I'M OPEN TO THAT. OKAY, GOOD. WE FOUND IT. THANK YOU. NOON ON MONDAY, MAY 4TH. WELL, MAYBE, SHOULD WE HAVE SOME BACKUPS? SOME LIKE THE SEVENTH, THE EIGHTH? SO SHOULD WE MAYBE SAY THAT IS THE PRIMARY, UM, AFTERNOON, UH, EARLY AFTERNOON OF MAY 4TH, AND THEN WE HAVE THE SEVENTH, THE EIGHTH, AND THEN POSSIBLY THE 12TH, UH, TUESDAY, WHICH MAYBE NOT AS IDEAL BECAUSE JUST SETTLE ON MONDAY THE FOURTH. OH, OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, LET'S JUST GO WITH THAT. IT'S JUST BECAUSE STUFF, IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEN THEN SURVEY FOR OTHER DATES IN THAT SAME, SAME TIME AREA. AND, UM, UH, 'CAUSE I SAY WE, WE NEED TO GET TO THIS EARLIER LAST THING WE WANT TO DO, PLEASE. I, YOU KNOW, THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WE'VE HAD THE BUDGET KIND OF GOT THROWN TOGETHER AT THE LAST MEETING, WHICH I REALLY HAD PROBLEMS WITH, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW ALL THE NEW IDEAS ARE COMING UP AT THE LAST SECOND. UM, AND, UM, AND WE NEED A LOT OF NEW IDEAS ON THIS ONE THAT ARE GONNA BE HARD IDEAS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. SO IT'S, UH, UH, SO THE SOONER WE CAN GET GOING ON THAT, THE BETTER. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF WE COULD GO OVER A, THE, THE 30,000 FOOT LEVEL ON, UH, ON OUR LAST ITEM ON 14, AND THEN BOTH OF THESE WE CAN BRING BACK TOGETHER, UH, ON THE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FOURTH, FOURTH AT NOON. YEAH. AND SO LET'S, LET'S GO ON TO ITEM, UH, 14, AND THEN WE WILL, WE ARE GOING TO HOLD BOTH OF THESE OVER TO A WORKSHOP. OKAY. BUT WE'RE GOING, WAIT, ARE WE JUST, I'M SORRY. ARE WE DISCUSSING SOME POINT FOR, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE HIM MAKE THE, THE OVERALL PRESENTATION RIGHT NOW ON, ON THIS ITEM. WE'RE [03:55:01] NOT GONNA GO IN, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO INTO DEPTH ON ANYTHING ELSE, AND, BUT JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, ANY AREAS OF HICCUPS OR WHATEVER. SO, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, MAYOR, JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS FOR STAFF TO COME BACK ON THE FOURTH AT NOON TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW ON THE PRESENTATION THAT PAUL'S ABOUT TO DO, AND THEN SPECIFICS, LIKE, ARE YOU ASKING FOR THE ITEMIZED NUMBERS FOR EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT BROKEN DOWN? IS THAT WHAT'S BEING ASKED OF US? I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A COMPLETE, COMPLETE BREAKDOWN. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE VOLUMES. OKAY. AND WE'VE GOT COPIES OF THAT FROM THE, FROM YEARS PAST, BUT THAT, THAT GETS INTO A LOT OF STUFF. BUT I THINK THE GENERAL DEAL BY, BY DEPARTMENT IS GONNA HELP. AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT, LIKE, OVER TIME, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINE, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME OF THE GENERALITIES, BUT WE DON'T NEED, WE DON'T NEED THE ITEM BY ITEM BREAKDOWN AT THAT. THAT CERTAINLY AT THAT STAGE. I MEAN, BECAUSE YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE VOLUMES. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT BEN BENHUR OR WARREN PEACE. I, I ACTUALLY DON'T AGREE. I I THINK WE CAN DO IT. SO WE HAVE THE BIG BUDGET BOOK, AND THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US NOW, AND WE CAN JUST LIKE, UM, EDIT THAT WITH, I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY, I THINK, DOABLE. WE, WE HAVE SOME OF THE NUMBERS IN THE ACTUALS, SO I MEAN, I, UM, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. CAN I ASK YOU, UM, MEMBER BUSH, UH, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS WE WANT A BUDGET WORKSHOP WHERE WE ARE GONNA LOOK AT BUDGET ITEMS AND WE ARE GONNA SUGGEST CUTS, CUTS OR REVENUE. SO, UH, GIVING STAFF DIRECTION ON, ON, UH, PAR PARKING MANAGEMENT. LIKE, CAN WE GET MORE REVENUE FROM PARKING? CAN WE GET MORE REVENUE? LIKE AT WHAT POINT DOES THE FIRE REVENUE COME IN? UM, AND YES, CUTS, I MEAN, THAT'S, SO I, I FEEL LIKE FOR THE NEXT ITEM, I, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD GIVE SOME, UH, DIRECTION TO STAFF TO EXPLORE REVENUES AND CUTS AT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL, UM, FROM A HIGH LEVEL, AND THEN HAVING THE ACTUALS IN THE INTERIM, BECAUSE THE ACTUALS ARE ALREADY THERE, THEY ALREADY EXIST. SO WE JUST NEED TO HAVE THAT AS KIND OF THE BACKUP. WHAT CAN WE ADJUST AND WHAT NOT. I MEAN, AND THEN I THINK BY THAT MONDAY SPECIAL MEETING, I THINK WE COULD FLUSH OUT IDEAS BY THEN, BUT THAT WOULD TAKE US IN THE INTERIM, GETTING THE ACTUALS, UM, MEETING WITH STAFF, SEEING WHAT'S WORK, WHAT, WHAT COULD WORK, WHAT CAN'T WORK. SO, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S THE EXERCISE WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH, I DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. I, I DON'T, I'M NOT IN THE DEPARTMENT. I DON'T WORK WITH THOSE FOLKS. I DON'T SUPERVISE ANYBODY. I DON'T KNOW TRULY, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE, I WOULD NOT BE PREPARED TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. SO IF THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GONNA ATTEMPT, I WOULD NEED GUIDANCE FROM THE DIRECTORS. SO THEN I WOULD NEED, I AGREE TO HEAR FROM THEM. WHAT WOULD THEY SUGGEST? I THINK THAT'S THOSE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS, LIKE IN THAT RESEARCH THAT EACH OF US SHOULD DO WITH THE DIRECTORS IN DIRECTOR ADDITION TO AN, TO A BUDGET MEETING OR A BUDGET WORKSHOP, MAY 8TH, IT'S NOT US OR MAY 4TH. I WOULD NEED TO FIND TIME TO MEET WITH THE INDIVIDUAL DIRECTORS TO HAVE THAT INDIVIDUAL ONE. IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, I THINK IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO UNDERSTAND IT IS, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. AND I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT THROUGH THE CITY MANNER, WHAT I'M ACTUALLY SAYING IS I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS OUR JOB TO DO THAT WORK. I THINK IT IS, BECAUSE IF WE'RE ASKING FOR CUTS, WE EITHER DO IT ACROSS THE BOARD WITH IGNORANCE AND NOT KNOWING WHAT WE'RE CUTTING. OR WE LEARN ABOUT WHAT EACH OF OUR STAFF DOES, WHERE THERE'S EFFICIENCIES, WHERE THERE'S CONSULTANTS, WHERE THERE'S OVERTIME, AND WHERE THERE'S, UH, SOME OF THESE ITEMS ARE, UM, INCREASES TO OUR GENERAL LIABILITY INSURANCE. SO THAT IS GONNA TAKE US TAKING TIME TO REVIEW AND TO LEARN THIS. WE, BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT. OKAY. NOW THE ONLY DEAL IS, OKAY, WELL WAIT A MINUTE. WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING STAGE RIGHT NOW. WE ARE AT THE BEGINNING STAGE. AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE AT, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS LIKE MORE CLOSER TO THE END OF THIS THING, MAYBE NOT AT THE BEGINNING. SO I THINK AT THIS, THIS DEAL, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE BUDGET AS A WHOLE AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHERE WE NEED TO GET, HERE'S, HERE'S WHERE, WHERE WE SEE TO BE PRACTICAL, HERE'S WHERE WE NEED TO GET NOT ON EVERY INDIVIDUAL, NOT ON INDIVIDUAL ITEMS, BUT ON OUR, BUT ON OUR BUDGET OUTLOOK. THEN THAT GOES BACK TO THE DEPARTMENTS. AND DEPARTMENTS CAN GO, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE CAN DO THAT REALISTICALLY TO GET US TO THAT POINT THAT COMES BACK TO US IN ANOTHER GROUP, INTO ANOTHER PROBABLY WORKSHOP. THIS IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA, WE CAN'T DO THIS IN ONE WORKSHOP. NO, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE ARE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING SO, [04:00:01] BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD START THE RESEARCH NOW. I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA BE MICROMANAGING AT THE BEGINNING. NO, I DON'T EITHER. OKAY. YOU KNOW, BUT AS I SAY, BUT IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT JUST A BUDGET CONCEPT, AND AS WE LOOK AT, AT THE NUMBERS THAT ARE BEFORE US AND WHERE WE SEE THE PROJECTIONS AND SAY, HERE'S WHERE WE WANT TO GET AT THIS STAGE, AND THEN LET THE DEPARTMENTS COME BACK TO US AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET US TO THAT POINT. AND, AND WE TAKE THAT IMPACT. BUT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT ANOTHER, HAVE TO HAPPEN AT A DIFFERENT WORKSHOP. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, UH, HERE WE ARE, WE'RE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS THING, AND WE'VE ONLY GOT A COUPLE MONTHS TO GET THIS THING ALL TOGETHER. UM, SO IT'S, IT IS GONNA, IT IS GONNA TAKE, UH, IT'S DIFFERENT IF THIS WAS A ROLLOVER BUDGET, I DON'T THINK ANYONE LOOKS AT THIS AND SAYS THAT WE CAN CONTINUE ROLLING THIS OVER WITHOUT, WITHOUT TAKING, TAKING VERY HARD LOOKS. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S GONNA TAKE, WE CAN'T DO THAT IN ONE WORKSHOP. I, I, I AGREE. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN. SO I THINK KIND OF WHERE WE START, SO THE, FOR FY 27, WHAT ARE OUR REVENUES? AND USE THOSE REVENUES AS THE BASELINE AND THEN THE GAP. WE HAVE TO CLOSE THE 13 MILLION GAP. HOW ARE WE GONNA CLOSE THE 13 MILLION GAP? LIKE FOR ME CLOSING A, WELL, 12 MILLION, RIGHT? SO THE GAP IS 12 MILLION PROJECTED, RIGHT? OR WHAT YEAR, I'M SORRY. FY 27. WHAT IS THE GAP? 16. 16. SO 16 MILLION GAP. SO THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO CLOSE, WE HAVE A 16 MILLION GAP. SO, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO BREAK THAT DOWN BY DEPARTMENT, AND THAT WOULD, SHOULD BE PROPORTIONAL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO WHAT THE DEPARTMENT EXPENDITURES ARE. AND THAT'S LIKE KIND OF THEIR PORTION OF, OF WHAT THAT REDUCTION WOULD BE. THAT'S, THAT'S, OTHERWISE HOW ARE WE GONNA CLOSE THE GAP, MIKE? THAT'S, WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DISCUSS. YEAH. AND SO, BUT 16 MILLION IS A NUMBER FROM A HIGH LEVEL. FROM A HIGH LEVEL. SO THEN HOW DO WE CLOSE THE 16? THAT'S, THAT'S A CONVERSATION. HOW DO WE CLOSE THE $16 MILLION GAP? OKAY. UH, REMEMBER ANI, OR YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? UM, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I THINK WE HAVE TO BE, UM, CONSCIOUS ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH THIS. I THINK LISTENING TO THE STORY THAT OUR, YOU IN FINANCIAL DEPARTMENT WILL, UM, WILL EDUCATE US WITH, THEN WE CAN, UM, BE ABLE TO, TO GIVE GUIDANCE AFTER THAT, BUT WITHOUT KNOWING THAT, UM, THAT REPORTS THE UNDERLYING, UM, YOU AND NUMBERS THAT WILL COME FROM THEM. WE WILL GET THE STORY AND ALL OF US WILL BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND YOU AND HOW WE'RE GONNA APPROACH IT INSTEAD OF THIS. SO I WANT US TO BE MORE, UM, YOU IN FOCUS ON HOW WE ARE GOING TO APPROACH IT. AND THAT'S LISTENING TO THE STAFF THAT'S PROVIDING US THE STORY. WITHOUT THE STORY, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE. OKAY. MEMBER RODRIGUEZ? YEAH. THANK YOU. I, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE URGENCY OF MY COLLEAGUE BUSH, AND I UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMIC WE'RE AT YOU ALL AS STAFF, UNDERSTAND BETTER THAN WE DO. UM, HOW MANY THINGS ARE OCCURRING AT THE SAME TIME, RIGHT? WE ARE IN A SERIES OF MEETINGS ON HIRING A NEW CITY MANAGER, NEW CITY ATTORNEY BUDGET, UM, GROSS REVENUE, UH, POTENTIAL GROSS REVENUE TAX. SO THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS MM-HMM . AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO KIND OF CRAM THIS AND GET THROUGH IT. AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING INDIVIDUALLY SO WE CAN DISCUSS THIS APPROPRIATELY. UM, AND IN YEARS PAST, WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE A SERIES OF WORKSHOPS. MM-HMM . I THINK EVEN LAST, LAST YEAR WE HAD A SERIES OF FOUR BUDGET WORKSHOPS, UM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. AND THE YEAR BEFORE THAT WE DID LIKE THREE OR FOUR. AND SO, YOU KNOW, ALL I'M SAYING IS AGREEING WITH MY COLLEAGUES. I THINK THIS IS TOO MUCH TO DISCUSS AT THIS TIME BECAUSE IT'S REALLY LATE AND IT'S BEEN REALLY KIND OF A PACKED THING. AND I WOULD BE OPEN TO COMING INTO ADDITIONAL MEETINGS TO, TO DISCUSS THIS AND HAVE IT BE A SERIES OF, OF WORKSHOPS THAT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, GET TO A POINT WHERE WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH ADOPTING THE BUDGET. AND SO, UM, UH, SO THAT'S, I'LL, I'LL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT, BUT I SECOND I'LL MAKE THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION. OKAY. UM, AND, AND, UH, AND SOME OF YOU CAN THANK ME LATER BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE TILL MIDNIGHT. UH, AND THANK EVERYBODY HERE. BUT, UM, BUT REALLY, I, I, I, I REALLY WANT TO COME IN THE WORK THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE AS STAFF. I UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT IT IS FOR YOU ALL TO WORK THROUGH YOUR BUDGETS, THE INDIVIDUAL BUDGETS, AND OBVIOUSLY FIND WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ULTIMATELY ON POINT AND TARGET. AND, AND I THINK THAT WORK AND DESERVES TO BE STUDIED AND ANALYZED BY YOUR INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS AND, AND US AS THE COUNCIL AND ULTIMATELY THE PUBLIC THAT WE WORK FOR. SO, SO THANK YOU. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE MAY 4TH. MAY 4TH. MAY 4TH AT NOON. A SECOND [04:05:01] WORKSHOP. THANK YOU. SO, QUESTION. YEAH. UH, CITY MANAGER, ARE YOU CLEAR ON THE DYNAMIC OF WHAT'S EXPECTED FOR THE BUDGET WORKSHOP? I HEARD EARLIER CLEAR AS MUD ? THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. UM, WHAT, YES. I, I THINK I HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. ONE THING I, I DO WANT TO TELL YOU IS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH OUR DIRECTORS AND TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT, THAT THEY'RE HAVING. AND I KNOW POLICING, I DO, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD SEE ME AS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT AND SAY, WHERE IS IT WHERE WE CAN GET CREATIVE? AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT MARTHA AND I, AND SOON ENOUGH STEVE WILL DO. BUT THESE ARE YOUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. YEP. AND I WOULD CAUTION YOU AGAINST SAYING, WELL, LET ME LOOK AT IT AND MM-HMM . SHOW YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. YOU, YOU GUYS PAY A LOT OF MONEY FOR THEM TO BE HERE. THERE'S A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. SO I THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. BECAUSE WE CAN WORK COLLECTIVELY, WE NEED DIRECTION FROM YOU AS TO WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO. DO YOU WANT ME TO GET IT DOWN TO ZERO OR DO YOU WANT ME TO GET SOMETHING MORE REASONABLE? AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE WILL BRING RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU ON CUTS. IDEALLY FOR, FOR ME, IT WOULD BE LOOKING AT A DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR AND SAYING, FIND A WAY TO GET A REDUCTION IN 30% AND LET THEM BE THE ONES THAT ARE CREATIVE. EMPOWER YOUR PEOPLE TO DO THE JOB THAT YOU HAVE 'EM HERE TO DO. AND MR. MAYOR, THOSE ARE THE STORY THAT WE WANTED TO HEAR IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HELP, BECAUSE WE'RE HERE TO HELP. YOU KNOW, WE'RE A TEAM HERE, BUT WITHOUT KNOWING THOSE UNDERLYINGS, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HELP. WE WON'T BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, PROVIDE THOSE DIRECTIONS THAT YOU SAID CITY MANAGERS. SO WE LIKE TO HEAR THAT. AND I KNOW IT'S GOOD TO SEE THE NUMBERS HERE, BUT WITHOUT THOSE NARRATIVES THAT YOU WILL, THAT WILL COME FROM YOU, I WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE A, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN A GOOD RECOMMENDATION TO YOU. 'CAUSE I'M NOT AN EXPERT TOO. I'M A REAL ESTATE BROKER. GIVE ME A HOUSE, I WILL SELL IT. RIGHT. BUT I KNOW HOW TO READ NUMBERS. SO, UM, THOSE ARE THE STORIES THAT I WANTED TO HEAR FROM YOU. IN ORDER FOR ALL OF US HERE, THE FIVE OF US WILL BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OUR OPINION, YOU KNOW, I MEAN TO YOU, RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S COMING FROM ME, MY OPINION OF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS MY RECOMMENDATION. AND I WILL SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S LOOK AT IT. RIGHT? SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HAVING US ALL COHESIVE, LOOKING AT THE SAME THING AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WILL MAKE US, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE, WE WILL POINT US, OR WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO A BETTER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN HEALTHIER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN DIRECTION IN, IN MAKING A, A, A, A GOOD BUDGET FOR 2027. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S 10 30 AND PEOPLE ARE SLEEPING. THEY SAID, OH, WHY DIDN'T YOU PART, WHY DIDN'T YOU ASK US TO PARTICIPATE? WHY DIDN'T WE EVEN HEAR ABOUT THIS? YOU KNOW? I MEAN, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T HEAR FROM THEM AGAIN. AND I DON'T LIKE THAT. OKAY. . WHAT, WHO'S ANI? OKAY. I, I JUST, UH, I'LL CLOSE OUT. LIKE, FOR ME, I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION, LU. I APOLOGIZE. I I DIDN'T MEAN TO LIKE, UM, SUGGEST OR SAY THAT LIKE YOU'RE IGNORANT AND I, I AM, HON BEING HONEST, I AM FRUSTRATED. I GET FRUSTRATED. SLATE. I THINK ALL OF US. UM, I APOLOGIZE TOO, IF I OFFEND ANYONE HERE IN THIS ROOM AMONG DIRECTORS OR STAFF, LIKE, UH, WHEN I'M VERY DIRECT WITH MY, MY QUESTIONS OR MY FRUSTRATIONS, UM, UH, AND IT'S NOT DIRECTED AT ANY OF YOU. I DO GET FRUSTRATED WHEN I ASK QUESTIONS AND I GET DEFENSIVENESS AND I, I GET FRUSTRATED LOOSE WHEN, LIKE, I, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT NOT WANTING TO MICROMANAGE, AND I DON'T WANNA MICROMANAGE. I DO WANT TO HEAR THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, BUT SOMETIMES I'VE HAD IT IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHEN I ASK SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS QUESTIONS, I DON'T GET DIRECT ANSWERS OR IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND I, I DON'T WANT THAT. I JUST WANT US ALL TO WORK TOGETHER AND BE A TEAM. 'CAUSE I BELIEVE IN ALL OF US, AND I, I KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH THIS. I, I KNOW THAT I, I THINK WE HAVE AN, AN INCREDIBLE TEAM AND WE DON'T ALL NECESSARILY LIKE EACH OTHER ALL AT ONCE, OR WE DON'T, MAY MIGHT NOT GET ALONG. I, I, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. LIKE, I, I, I CARE ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION. I, I BELIEVE EACH OF US CARES ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION AND FIGURING OUT HOW WE GET THROUGH THIS. UM, AND I, AND I KNOW WE ARE GONNA GET THROUGH IT. I DON'T WANT TO JUST FOCUS ON CUTS BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA HURT US IN THE LONG RUN IF WE'RE CUTTING TOO [04:10:01] MUCH. BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE CUTTING. AND I WANT US TO HAVE HONEST CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY IN THIS ORGANIZATION AND HOW I FEEL, AND I'VE SEEN WITH PERSONNEL, SOMETIMES PERSONNEL AREN'T HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR CERTAIN THINGS. AND THOSE ARE TOUGH CONVERSATIONS THAT I KNOW GET INTO LEGAL HEIDI QUESTIONS. BUT WHEN I SEE THINGS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE PERSONNEL THAT'S, YOU GUYS ARE, YOU GUYS ARE A BUDGET. WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW. SO LIKE, HOW, BUT HOW DO WE BE FAIR? HOW ARE WE TRANSPARENT? I DON'T WANNA JUST START LOBBYING CUTS OR POINTING FINGERS OR MAKING ACCUSATIONS. LIKE, UM, I WANT TO FOCUS ON THE REVENUE PART OF IT TOO. SO ALEX, I WANT TO GET THOSE IDEAS FROM THE SUBJECT, UH, LEVEL EXPERTS. BUT I JUST WANT US TO DO OUR WORK AS COUNCIL MEMBERS IN OUR RESEARCH. BECAUSE HONESTLY, A LOT OF THE ISSUES GOING ON IN THIS ORGANIZATION, IT IS US ON THIS DAIS AND NOT TAKING ENOUGH TIME TO LIKE, BE REALISTIC OR, OR JUST LIKE, UM, RESEARCH THINGS. OR MAYBE SOME OF US MADE, UM, JUDGMENT CALLS THAT MAYBE LIKE, WEREN'T, LIKE NOW THEY HAVEN'T PANNED OUT, BECAUSE I THOUGHT IN THE LAST BUDGET, I EXPECTED THAT WE WERE GONNA GET MORE REVENUE, LIKE, SO TO MAKE UP FOR THIS AND WE DIDN'T. AND SO THAT'S LIKE KIND OF WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. LIKE, WHY AREN'T WE GETTING MORE REVENUE? ARE THERE WAYS THAT WE CAN EMPOWER OUR STAFF TO GET MORE REVENUE? SO, YEAH. SORRY TO RAMBLE, BUT I JUST LIKE, YEAH, I THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS. AND MR. MAYOR, JUST A JUST THE LAST COMMENT. I KNOW THAT IN YEARS PAST, UM, INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN OPEN TO MEETING WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS AND DISCUSSING BUDGETS. UM, I KNOW THAT YOU ALL ARE OPEN TO DOING THAT, BUT JUST TO REITERATE INTO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH'S POINT, ARE YOU ALL OPEN TO DOING THAT WITH US? TO, TO KIND OF REVIEW THE BUDGETS AND HEAR YOU OUT INDIVIDUALLY? UH, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP US, UM, YOU KNOW, SPEED UP OUR BUDGET PROCESS THAT WAY WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU GUYS 15 QUESTIONS PER DEPARTMENT. WE COULD ASK, ASK YOU THAT PRIVATELY AND MAYBE ASK ONE. RIGHT? SO, UH, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN OPEN TO THAT IN THE PAST, AND I JUST WANNA, UH, HOPEFULLY HAVE YOU ALL BE OPEN TO THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS. I, I THINK IT'S VERY INFORMATIVE FOR YOU GUYS TO, TO PICK THEIR BRAINS ALL ME, ALL OF US, AND MAYBE UNDERSTAND THE, THE PROCESS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW LONG IT TAKES TO HIRE SOMEBODY OR SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE. SO YOU CAN HEAR IT FIRSTHAND AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO HEAR YOU OUT, SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY OUTSIDE THE BOX IDEAS TO BE HELPFUL. THANK YOU. YEAH, OF COURSE. I THINK THIS IS GONNA TAKE A SERIES OF WORKSHOPS. MM-HMM . ANY, I THINK ANY DISCUSSION INDIVIDUALLY WITH DEPARTMENTS OR DEPARTMENT HEADS SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING UNTIL AFTER WE HAVE THE GENERAL DISCUSSION. AND OTHERWISE YOU'RE GETTING, YOU'RE GETTING WAY AHEAD OF THE GAME. AND, UH, UM, SO IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR GENERAL DISCUSSION ON THE FOURTH, I WOULD HIGHLY DISCOURAGE THEN GOING AND HAVING INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSIONS. 'CAUSE YOU'RE KIND OF PREDETERMINING THE BUDGET, MR. MAYOR, AS I MENTIONED, OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. YEAH. I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT, NOT JUST A ONE AND DONE. RIGHT. BUT YEAH. BUT THAT, BUT I WAS JUST SAYING, SO, UH, YEAH, NO, NO, I'M AGREEING WITH YOU OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. THAT'S GOOD. I JUST SAY, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT WORKSHOP FIRST SO WE KNOW A GENERAL IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE GOING BEFORE WE START GETTING INTO SPECIFICS. AND THEN I THINK WHAT I THINK THEN OUR, OUR QUESTIONS DEALING WITH DEPARTMENTS AND EVERYTHING WILL BE MUCH MORE, UH, INFORMATIVE AND INTELLIGENT. AND SO WE'RE JUST NOT, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, USING A SHOTGUN AND SCATTER, YOU KNOW, SCATTER, UH, UH, UH, WE CAN BE MUCH MORE PINPOINT WITH IT. I, I STILL, UH, BUT DOES THAT INCLUDE THE ACTUALS? 'CAUSE I STILL, I REQUESTED THE ACTUALS AND I STILL DO WANT SEE THE ACTUALS. YEAH. WE CAN GET THE, THE ACTUALS ARE WHAT ARE FOR, FOR RIGHT NOW. ANYWAYS, THAT KIND OF, I JUST LET YOU KNOW KNOW, WHICH IS THE PAST THAT LET'S, LET'S LET YOU KNOW A POINT IN TIME FOR WHAT HAS GOT US TO THIS POINT. YEAH. THE PROBLEM IS NOW WHERE DO WE GO NEXT? THAT THAT'S THE OTHER UNDERSTOOD. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE BASICALLY A MOTION AND A SECOND TO HOLD THIS, UH, HOLD BOTH OF THESE AREAS OVER FOR, TO REALLY DEEP DIVE ON 'EM IN A WORKSHOP, UH, SLEEP IN THAT MORNING. SO THEY GOT PLENTY OF REST. SO THAT, UH, UH, SO RIGHT NOW, TENTATIVELY SCHEDULING IT FOR, UH, NOON ON THE 4TH OF MAY, AND, UH, MAY THE FOURTH BE WITH US ON THAT DAY, AND, UH, THE, UH, UH, , THE, UH, UH, AND, AND, AND THEN WE, THEN WE CAN GO FROM, GO FROM THAT POINT. AND THAT WILL PROBABLY KICK OFF A SERIES OF, OF WORKSHOPS TO GET US, GET US ON THIS ONE. I SAY, AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD TO, WE'VE DONE SERIES IN THE PAST AND THAT WAS WITH A ROLL ROLLOVER BUDGET. AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US LOOKING AT THIS AS A ROLLOVER BUDGET. SO WHAT WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO PROVIDE STAFF HIGH LEVEL DIRECTION TO BREAK, [04:15:01] LIKE, SO THAT THEY CAN START THE WORK, UH, FROM A HIGH LEVEL? WELL, I, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WHAT ARE THEY DOING BETWEEN NOW AND WELL, I MEAN, YOU CAN TALK, DON'T, I'M TRYING TO BE HELPFUL HERE. LIKE OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR CITY MAN, THE CITY MANAGER, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, LET 'EM KNOW, OKAY, HERE'S SOME, I, HERE'S SOME AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST NEED SOME DIRECTION IN THESE DIFFERENT AREAS. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. BUT, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC. I'M JUST SAYING 16, CLOSING THE $16 MILLION GAP WITH A MIXTURE OF REVENUES AND CUTS. YEAH. UM, YEAH. IS THAT, I MEAN, YEAH, AS LONG AS, SHOULD WE GIVE STAFF DIRECTION AS LONG AS TO THAT, IS THAT, LIKE, I, I JUST DON'T WANT, LIKE, MAKE SURE THE STAFF HAS ENOUGH DIRECTION. AT LEAST I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SAYING, OKAY, WHAT ALL, WHAT ALL ARE THE OPTIONS THAT CAN BE ON THE TABLE? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HIGH LEVEL OPTIONS. OKAY. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICS. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND SO, UH, UH, AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THE FOURTH ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT DIRECTION WE WE'RE LOOKING TO GO. AND THEN LET STAFF COME BACK TO US WITH THEIR IDEAS AT THE, AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP. SOUNDS GOOD. ON, ON HOW THAT THEY CAN INDIVIDUALLY HELP US GET TO THOSE POINTS. SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THESE TWO ITEMS AND SECOND DEFENSE. UH, LET'S SEE. THAT WAS SECOND. OKAY. THERE IT IS. SECOND IN THERE. THANK YOU. UH, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND THIS IS TO HOLD THIS OVER TO THE, UM, TO THE WORKSHOP, UH, CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR THE FOURTH. UM, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PROOF UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. THAT ONE GOES THROUGH A CHAIR. YES. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SAY WHAT? MOTION TO ADJOURN. WELL, WE GOT A COUPLE THINGS WE GOTTA DO BEFORE WE CAN ADJOURN A THOUGHT. WE'RE TABLING EVERYTHING, HUH? I THOUGHT WE'RE TABLING. WE'RE TABLING THOSE TWO ITEMS. YOU CAN'T TABLE EVERYTHING. THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS WE GOT TO DO. WHAT IS IT? WELL, WHAT'S LEFT? DO WE GET A MOTION TO EXTEND PAST 10 30? UH, YEAH, IF WE CAN HAVE A MOTION IS GO PAST 10 32ND. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE ABOUT 10 MINUTES AT THE MOST, HUH? OKAY. SO WE HAVE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT ANYTHING TO REPORT FROM? CITY MANAGER. WAIT, WE HAVE A MOTION. OH, WE VOTED. DIDN'T WE ALREADY VOTED? YEAH. EXTEND. OH, OH. OH. DO WE EXTEND? OKAY. MOTION IS SECOND TO EXTEND. OKAY. YES. SO WE GOT THAT. CAN WE PLEASE VOTE? AND THIS IS NOT APPROVE. APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY . OKAY. UH, CITY, UH, CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. I GOT NOTHING. MAYOR, YOU GOT NOTHING? OKAY. UH, [12. ELECTED OFFICIALS REPORT] ELECTED OFFICIALS REPORT. I, I WANT THANK YOU CHIEF HERNANDEZ FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR CITY AND STEPPING UP AT A TIME OF NEED. UH, WE'VE TRULY APPRECIATED YOUR COMMITMENT TO OUR CITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU STILL GOT A COUPLE MORE DAYS OF THIS VACATION, . UM, AND JUST A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT, UH, SATURDAY, IF ANYBODY WANTS FREE TREES, WE HAVE ANOTHER FREE TREE DISTRIBUTION DAY, UH, SPONSORED BY TREE SAN DIEGO. IT'LL BE, UH, YOU CAN SIGN UP ONLINE. IT'S, UH, SHARED THROUGH OUR SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE CITY SOCIAL MEDIA PAGE. BUT, UH, WE HAVE A HUNDRED, UH, TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE, UH, GIVEN OUT. THEY'RE GONNA BE HAAS CREPE, MYRTLES, UH, PINK DAWNS NET, LEAF OAKS BUNCH, ALL FOR FREE PINK DAWN. OH YEAH. AND, UH, NET, NET LEAF OAKS. SO, ALL FOR NO NATIVES. NO WHAT? NO NATIVES. WELL, MARCUS, WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT WE COULD DO . BUT , NO NATIVES. 10:00 AM DISTRIBUTION. YOU CAN SIGN UP ONLINE. WE ACTUALLY ONLY HAVE LIKE 30 TREES LEFT. SO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ONE SIGN UP ONLINE AND YOU CAN PLANT IT AT YOUR HOUSE. THANK YOU. , NATIVE, NATIVE OAK TREES SO THAT YOU CAN GRIND YOUR ACORNS. OKAY. HOW'S THAT ? ALRIGHT. UH, REMEMBER IVANNI? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. UM, CHIEF, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE JUST ACROSS THE STREET, YOU KNOW, ONE RIGHT FOOT IN, LEFT FOOT IN, THEN I'M THERE. SO, UH, ONE. RIGHT FOOT IN. I'M TIRED. . UM, SO ANYWAY, UH, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU STEVE AGAIN FOR GOING TO BE STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE. MS. MARTHA, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I MISS GONNA MISS SITTING, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT YOU THERE AT THAT, THAT, THAT ROOM. BUT THEN NOW I HAVE TO GO DOWN AGAIN, BUT YES, YOU'RE GONNA SWITCH. YEAH. THANK YOU. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UM, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF THINGS TODAY AND, AND THANK YOU FOR THE, FOR THE TEAM EFFORT WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR, UM, CITY MANAGER. I THINK WE ARE. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE, THERE WILL BE A LOT MORE CHALLENGES, BUT, UM, WE'RE READY FOR IT. RIGHT? UM, UM, ANOTHER THING IS I WANTED TO THANK SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, 'CAUSE I, I, I ALWAYS ASK CITY MANAGER IF I CAN SIT WITH THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND SHE'S ALWAYS BEEN GENEROUS TO SIT WITH ME AND EXPLAIN [04:20:01] TO ME, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT, UM, QUESTIONS THAT HAVE LINGERED IN MY HEAD FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. AND SOME OF THOSE WERE CLEARED. AND I'M GRATEFUL, UM, DIRECTOR PEREIRA FOR, FOR BEING SO PATIENT IN ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS. UM, AND, UH, THANK YOU CITY MANAGER FOR ALLOWING ME TO, UH, GET THAT TIME FROM HER. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. OKAY, MR. BURCH. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SEE ALEX, I'M GONNA MISS ALL MY EMAILS TO YOU. CM, ALEX, CM, ALEX, NOW I HAVE TO GO BACK TO CHIEF ALEX, BUT, UH, I HAVE APPRECIATED THE LEADERSHIP THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED US. IT IS, IT'S BEYOND MY EXPECTATIONS AND, UM, I'VE, I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE NOT GOING TOO FAR, , BECAUSE WE MIGHT END UP PULLING YOU BACK IN AT SOME POINT. SO THANK YOU TO ALL OF STAFF. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. I KNOW WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE NITTY GRITTY OF THE BUDGET, BUT I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE BRIEFINGS THAT I GOT EARLIER AND, AND EVERYTHING TO DATE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, JUST REAL QUICKLY, YEAH, I, I, THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, UH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN OUR CITY'S HISTORY THAT WE'VE HAD A CHIEF CITY MANAGER. AND SO I DON'T, UH, DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVER GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING RATHER UNIQUE. UM, BUT ANYWAY, I'M GLAD YOU'VE ENJOYED YOUR VACATION OVER HERE. AND, UH, , IT WASN'T A VACATION, AND, UH, ANYWAY, AND, UH, STEVE, OUR CONDOLENCES AND, UH, AND, UH, [13. CITY ATTORNEY REPORT] WITH THAT, I AM GONNA TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY FOR A REPORT OF CLOSED SESSION. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, TODAY THE, UH, FULL COUNCIL MET IN CLOSED SESSION FROM 5 38 TO 5 55 ON ITEM 5.1. THE FULL COUNCIL WAS PRESENT AND THE COUNCIL TOOK NO REPORTABLE ACTIONS. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, EVERYONE. GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. MAYOR, [5. PUBLIC COMMENT (Part 2 of 2)] WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS STILL IN THE ZOOM. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. MM-HMM . OKAY. YES. OH, WAIT A MINUTE. WE GOTTA HEAR THOSE. SO, I, I I I, I DID NOT SAY ADJOURNS YET, SO GO FOR IT. THANK YOU. HAVEN'T SEEN. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE JOANIE. WELL, GREETINGS FROM NOT 30,000 FEET. YOU ALL HAVE A SUPERPOWER OF STAMINA. THANK YOU. I WANNA THANK COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH FOR HELPING ME KNOW THAT THIS IS A VENUE. UM, I'M REALLY TALKING ABOUT MY HOPE TO BE INVOLVED WITH CPRC. I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH DANIEL OR, AND, UH, MY SISTER, IVY CALLAWAY ACTUALLY WAS ONE OF THE TEACHERS THAT, UH, MR. BUSH HAD SPENT TIME WITH AT SWEETWATER HIGH. AND I KNOW PAUL, HE TURNED OUT LOKI, KNOWS MY SISTER IVY CALLOWAY AND SHE JUST COULDN'T STAY. BUT I'M REALLY HERE, UM, PRETTY SAD. AND I KNOW THAT I THINK POLICE CHIEF HERNANDEZ MAY HAVE LEFT. NO, YOU'RE STILL HERE. PARDON? HE JUST OUT THE PICTURE. PARDON? OKAY. WELL, UH, BECAUSE, UH, I HAD BEEN IN TOUCH WITH HIM, UH, FROM JANUARY ON AS WELL AS, UH, OFFICER CRES, MY HUSBAND, UH, WAS IN A MOTOR VEHICLE BIKE ACCIDENT. MARCH 27TH. MM-HMM . 2025. AND THIS FRIDAY HE GETS ALL THE HARDWARE TAKEN OUT OF HIS PELVIC HIP SOCKET BECAUSE OF THAT MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENT. HERE'S A POP QUIZ. DRIVER, UNINSURED UNVERIFIED UNVERIFIED ADDRESS, SERIOUS INJURY ACCIDENT, TWO TRAFFIC CODE VIOLATIONS, NO VERIFIED ADDRESS. INSURANCE WAS LAPSED. ZERO TICKETS. ZERO FINES, ZERO SUSPENSION. WE, OUR LIFE HAS STOPPED AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE PROCESS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT, UNDERSTANDING WHAT HAPPENED OR NOT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR, FOR HOLDING OUT AND STICKING WITH US. THE LAST COMMENT, HUH? WAS IT THE LAST COMMENT? YEAH. WAS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, SIR. UH, BARBARA GARDEN. OH, [04:25:01] WE GOT, OKAY. UM, UH, I, I KNOW IT'S LATE AND I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME SPEAK, BUT I WANTED TO SHARE THAT THE ADDICTION POLICY FORM LAUNCHED THEIR INAUGURAL CANNABIS USE DISORDER PREVENTION AWARENESS WEEK, WHICH IS APRIL 15TH TO THE 22ND. THIS IS A NATIONAL EDUCATIONAL INITIATIVE AIMED TO INCREASE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING OF CANNABIS USE DISORDER. SYMPTOMS OF CANNABIS USE DEAL, UM, DISORDER, HIGHLIGHT EMERGING HEALTH RISK, AND PROMOTE PREVENTION EFFORTS. AS A CANNABIS USE CONTINUES TO RISE IN THE UNITED STATES, PUBLIC PERCEPTION OF ITS RISK REMAINS LOW. HOWEVER, RESEARCH SHOWS THAT AN ESTIMATE OVER 20 MILLION PEOPLE MEET THE CRITERIA FOR CANNABIS USE DISORDER, MAKING IT THE SECOND MOST COMMON SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER AFTER ALCOHOL PREVENTION AND AWARENESS WEEK IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES, COMMUNITIES HAVE ACCESS TO ACCURATE SCIENCE-BASED INFORMATION ABOUT CANNABIS, THE RISK FACTORS, PREVENTION RESOURCES, AND HOW TO GET HELP FOR THOSE. STRUGGLING WITH THIS DISORDER, WHILE OFTEN PERCEIVED, UM, AS LOW RISK. RESEARCH SHOWS THAT APPROXIMATELY THREE IN 10 PEOPLE WHO USE CANNABIS DEVELOP THAT CANNABIS USE DISORDER WITH SIGNIFICANT HIGH RISK AMONG THOSE BEGINNING IN ADOLESCENCE. CANNABIS USE HAS A BROADER SOCIAL IMPACTS, INCLUDING IMPAIRED DRIVING, REDUCE ACADEMIC, WORSE WORKPLACE PERFORMANCE, AND INCREASED HEALTH UTILIZATION. I URGE THE COUNCIL TO NOT PRIORITIZE THIS INDUSTRY OVER THE MANY NEEDS OF THE CITY. THE CITY'S FOCUS AND RESPONSIBILITY SHOULD BE ON PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, NOT ADVOCATING FOR MORE MARIJUANA BUSINESSES. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I, AND I DID MADISON WRAP. OH, STILL ONE MORE. THANK YOU. MADISON WRAP. YEAH, THANKS. SO I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT A PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN, WHICH IS IMPAIRED DRIVING ASSOCIATED WITH HIGH THC CANNABIS AND SPECIFICALLY THE VERY REAL CHALLENGES THIS CREATES FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE STILL DO NOT HAVE A RELIABLE, PRACTICAL WAY FOR POLICE OFFICERS TO MEASURE MARIJUANA IMPAIRMENT AT THE ROADSIDE LIKE WE DO WITH ALCOHOL. THERE IS NOT A THC BREATHALYZER TO MEASURE LEVELS OF IMPAIRMENT THE WAY WE HAVE THEM FOR BLOOD ALCOHOL LEVEL. SINCE IT IS PROCESSED DIFFERENTLY IN THE BODY THAT LEAVES OUR POLICE OFFICERS IN A DIFFICULT POSITION, AN INDIVIDUAL CAN TEST POSITIVE WITHOUT BEING IMPAIRED OR BE IMPAIRED WITHOUT CLEAR MEASURABLE INDICATORS. THIS MEANS OFFICERS LACK OBJECTIVE STANDARDIZED TOOLS TO CONFIDENTLY IDENTIFY AND ENFORCE MARIJUANA DUIS IN THE MOMENT. SO EVEN AS MARIJUANA USE BECOMES MORE NORMALIZED AND ACCESSIBLE AND ENFORCEMENT HAS NOT KEPT PACE, OFFICERS ARE FORCED TO RELY ON SUBJECTIVE OBSERVATIONS AND LIMITED TESTING METHODS, WHICH ARE HARDER TO DEFEND AND APPLY CONSISTENTLY. THC IMPACTS REACTION, TIME, COORDINATION, AND JUDGMENT, ALL WHICH ARE ESSENTIAL FOR SAFE DRIVING. THE RISK IS REAL, BUT OUR ABILITY TO ACT ON IT IS LIMITED. WHEN YOU COMBINE INCREASED ACCESS TO HIGH POTENCY PRODUCTS WITH THESE ENFORCEMENT GAPS, IT CREATES SERIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES. MORE USE MEANS MORE IMPAIRED DRIVERS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY MORE EFFECTIVE ENFORCEMENT. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU MAYOR. THAT CONCLUDES OUR COMMENTS. OKAY. AND, AND I JUST WANNA SAY, SO I APPRECIATE, UM, COMMENT FROM MS. JONI. THAT WAS AN EMAIL FORWARDED TO ME. SO I DID FORWARD THAT OVER TO STAFF AND I THINK, UH, STAFF IS LOOKING INTO THAT AND SHE'S BEEN YEAH, SENDING THEM TO ME ALSO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. WITH THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MAYOR. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.