* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] ALL RIGHT, IF WE CAN, UH, [1. CALL TO ORDER] ALL QUIET DOWN, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED AND TRY TO BE A LITTLE EXTRA ACCOMMODATING TONIGHT. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, UH, FAMILY WITH KIDS HERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, SO WE WILL TRY TO GET TO THAT JUST AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. UH, BEFORE WE PROCEED, I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO REQUEST THE INTERPRETER, TAKE A MOMENT TO EXPLAIN THE CITY'S INTERPRETATION SERVICE THAT WILL BE OFFERED FOR THIS EVENING'S COUNCIL MEETING. WILL DO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THE FOLLOWING WILL BE AN ANNOUNCEMENT IN SPANISH. WE WILL START THIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND IF I COULD PLEASE ASK EVERYONE TO SILENCE ALL THEIR CELL PHONES OR ANY OTHER DEVICES SO WE DON'T HAVE THEM GOING ALL OFF DURING, DURING THE MEETING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER A LIVE WEBCAST OF THE MEETING MAY BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. IF YOU'RE WATCHING LIVE VIA ZOOM VIEWING, UH, THE SPANISH VERSION OF THE MEETING, INTERPRETER INSTRUCTIONS WILL APPEAR IN THE CHAT BOX AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN. FOR THOSE WHO PREFER TO SIT IN THE CHAMBER, HEADSETS ARE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE LIVE SPANISH TRANSLATION, PLEASE SEE THE CITY CLERK'S DESK OVER HERE TO CHECK OUT A HEADSET. THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY'S WEBSITE INFORMS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. FIRST, IN PERSON BY SUBMITTING A, UH, ONE OF THESE SALMON COLORED SLIPS. UM, SECOND IS BY VIA ZOOM, BY PRE-REGISTERING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, NO LATER THAN TWO HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING, OR BY EMAILING NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING. ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY WEBSITE IF RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE. WITH THAT, IF WE COULD HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, YAMANI HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA PRESENT, VICE MAYOR BUSH. HERE, MAYOR MORRISON. UH, PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. IF WE, YOU PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION. AND, UH, MEMBER MOLINA, WOULD YOU HAVE THIS, PLEASE? YES. BEGIN ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR. AND DO WE HAVE CHAPLAIN HERE TONIGHT? I DON'T, DON'T SEE ANYONE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THE, UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CHANGES TO THE, UH, AGENDA TONIGHT. AND ONE WILL BE 11.2, WHICH WAS THE PUBLIC HEARING APPEAL ON A PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR, FOR, UH, PROPOSED DRIVE THROUGH COFFEE SHOP, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS DUTCH BROTHERS OVER ON SWEETWATER ROAD. UH, BOTH THE APPLICANT AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REPEALING, UH, HAVE REQUESTED THAT BE PUT OFF TILL JANUARY THE 20TH. SO WE'RE GONNA ACCOMMODATE THEM. SO WE WILL NOT BE, BE HEARING 11.2 TONIGHT. AND, UH, AND THERE'LL BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT HEARD ON THAT ITEM. UM, THE, UH, THE OTHER, UH, THE OTHER ISSUE IS, I'M GONNA TAKE ONE AREA OUT OF ORDER, AND THAT IS, UM, STORM, OUR, DID YOU SAY DRUM ROLL? NO, I SAID STORMWATER. OH, STORM WATER. I THOUGHT YOU SAID DRUM ROLL. UH, THE, UH, [7.1 Presentation of 2026 Storm Water Calendar] STORM WATER CALENDAR. WE ARE GONNA MOVE THAT UP BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF OVERCROWDED IN HERE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GONNA MOVE THAT UP TO RIGHT NOW, DO IT BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THAT WAY, UH, WE CAN HELP, UH, I THINK FROM SOME OF YOU, UH, UH, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SOME HOMEWORK TO DO YET TONIGHT AND EVERYTHING, SO WE WANNA LET LET YOU GET, GET BACK TO THAT. SO, UH, FOR THAT, FOR THAT REASON, WE'RE GONNA MOVE DIRECTLY IN, INTO THAT ITEM. SO, WITH THAT, WHO IS, UH, WHO ON STAFF IS PRESENTING HERE ON THIS ONE? I'M, WE'RE, WE ARE. ALRIGHT, COME ON UP HERE. TAG TEAM. UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER, CITY STAFF, AND THOSE JOINING US TONIGHT. I AM EVELYN MOLINA, EXECUTIVE SECRETARY FOR THE ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. I'M A LITTLE ELZA GONZALEZ, OPERATIONS [00:05:01] MANAGER FOR OUR DEPARTMENT IS ASSISTING ME TONIGHT, I AM SO EXCITED TO BE BACK HERE TO PRESENT OUR ANNUAL STORM WATER CALENDAR ART CONTEST PROGRAM AND THE WINNERS FOR THIS YEAR'S 2026 CALENDAR. LAST YEAR, LOCAL THIRD GRADE ELEMENTARY STUDENTS PARTICIPATED IN THE CONTEST WITH THE THEME. BY KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY CLEAN, WE CAN KEEP OUR CREEKS, BAY, AND OCEAN CLEAN. THE PURPOSE OF THIS CONTEST IS TO PROMOTE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT WHILE EDUCATING CHILDREN ON HOW TO PROTECT OUR WATERWAYS THROUGH ARTWORK, THE PARTICIPATING SCHOOLS AND CLASSROOMS ASKED STUDENTS TO SUBMIT ORIGINAL DRAWINGS TO OUR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, WHERE STAFF COMMITTEE REVIEWED AND CHOSE ARTWORK FROM 16 STUDENTS TO BE IN THE 2026 CALENDAR. WE ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO RECOGNIZE THOSE WINNERS AND PRESENT THEM WITH CERTIFICATES OF PARTICIPATION AND A GIFT CARD FROM WALMART. WE RECOGNIZE AND APPRECIATE EDCO FOR THEIR GENEROUS SPONSORSHIP AS THESE GIFT CARDS WERE PURCHASED WITH THEIR KIND DONATION. I ALSO LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE FOR THEIR SUPPORT FROM THE NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT, SUPERINTENDENT LINEA BRADY BOARD PRESIDENT, MS. ALO, BOARD MEMBERS, MS. CASTANEDA, MS. GATES, MS. LOPEZ, MS. ARMO, N MS. D STAFF MEMBERS CATHERINE ESE AND SARAH PANDO. AND THANK YOU MS. HAYES WITH KIMBALL SCHOOL FOR THE SUPPORT. WITH THE INTEGRATION OF THE CONTEST INTO THE THIRD GRADE CURRICULUM, WE ALSO APPRECIATE ALL THE SCHOOL PRINCIPALS AND ASSOCIATED STAFF AND TEACHERS. WITHOUT THEIR SUPPORT, THIS WILL NOT BE POSSIBLE. BEFORE WE GET TO THE WINNERS, A FEW NOTES TO BE AWARE OF. CALENDARS WILL BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE SCHOOLS, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, ECHO, AND THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, AND WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC THE FIRST WEEK OF JANUARY. ALSO, SOME OF THE ARTWORK SUBMITTED FOR THE 2026 CALENDAR IN WHICH DID NOT MAKE IT INTO THE CALENDAR, WILL BE ON DISPLAY HERE AT CITY HALL FOR VISITORS TO ENJOY STARTING NEXT YEAR. AS MAYOR MORRISON ANNOUNCES THE WINNERS, THE WINNING ARTWORK WILL BE DISPLAYED ON THE SCREENS. PLEASE, STUDENTS COME UP AND SHAKE THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER'S HANDS, AND THEN WAIT TO TAKE A GROUP PICTURE ON HERE TO THE RIGHT. MAYOR MORRISON, WOULD YOU PLEASE DO THE HONORS TO INTRODUCE AND AWARD THESE INCREDIBLE STUDENT HONOR, UH, STUDENT ARTISTS, EXCUSE ME, WHICH MAKE UP THE 2026 STORMWATER CALENDAR. THANK YOU. OH, AND PLEASE NOTE WE WILL BE HANDING OUT THE CALENDARS OUTSIDE AFTER THE PRESENTATION AS WELL. OKAY. I GOT ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. YES. BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING OUT CALENDARS TONIGHT, AND WE'RE ALSO GIVING THEM WALMART GIFT CERTIFICATES, RIGHT? YES, I HAVE THOSE. I SORT TO SAY, 'CAUSE I KNEW I HADN'T, I HADN'T BEEN ENTRUSTED WITH THOSE ALREADY, SO I WAS JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THOSE HERE. NO, WE HAVE 'EM. WE HAVE, OKAY, WE GOT 'EM HERE. ALRIGHT. WAY TO GO. YOU WANT ME, YOU WANT ME IN THAT ORDER? YES, PLEASE. OKAY. HOPEFULLY, I THINK I GOT 'EM IN THAT ORDER. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. THE PRINTS ARE AWESOME. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CALL YOU UP ONE AT A TIME AND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT YOU DO IS COME UP AND GET YOURS. IF YOU WANT TO GO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PODIUM, FACE THAT WAY. SO YOUR PARENTS, IF THEY WANNA TAKE A PICTURE OF JUST YOU BY YOURSELF, BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH YOU ALL ACROSS HERE AS, AS A GROUP AT THE END. HOW'S THAT? YES. CORRECT. OKAY. SO AS, SO AS I SAY, SO, YOU'RE GONNA WANNA GO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PODIUM BECAUSE A GOOD NUMBER OF YOU, IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THIS SIDE OF THE PODIUM, NO ONE'S GONNA SEE YOU OVER THERE. OKAY? SO WE'RE GONNA GET YOU ON THAT SIDE OF THE PODIUM, SO, SO YOU CAN BE GOOD FOR THE CAMERA. SO, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS FOR THE COVER AND, UH, THAT WE HAVE ON THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. YEP. AND, UH, UH, MATTER OF FACT, I'M GONNA HAVE YOU HOLD THAT UP FOR EACH ONE OF THE PA OH, THEY GOT 'EM UP THERE. GOT 'EM IN ORDER. OKAY. THERE WE GO. GOOD. SO OUR FIRST ONE IS FROM EL TOON. THIS IS BEBE. WE HAVE BEBE HERE, THERE, SHE'S AND WALMART. LOOK OUT. THERE YOU GO. YOU WANNA SHAKE? TAKE WHAT? EVERYONE'S HAND. OKAY, GO RIGHT DOWN THERE. THERE YOU GO. NEXT FROM, OKAY. WELL HAVE HER GO UP HERE. SO YOU CAN HAVE INDIVIDUAL PICTURE TAKEN. THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU ARE. NEXT, NEXT WE HAVE FROM CENTRAL ELEMENTARY, WE HAVE, UH, ALEJANDRA. THERE YOU GO. AND THERE YOU GO. SO, RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PODIUM, AFTER YOU, AFTER YOU SHAKE EVERYONE'S HAND. CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY. AND NOW FROM PALMER WAY, WE HAVE CHLOE THERE. WE'RE THERE. SHE'S, THERE YOU GO, CHLOE. AND, OH, [00:10:01] YOU WANT THE WALMART ONE TOO, DON'T YOU? . OKAY. THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. HEY, CHLOE, FROM MY DISTRICT. YAY. UH, SHE'S NOT OLD, OLD ENOUGH TO VOTE. OKAY. AND FROM RANCHO DEONE, WE HAVE, I BELIEVE IT'S GISELLE. I HOPE I SAID THAT RIGHT. AND THERE YOU GO. AND THERE YOU GO. CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY. UH, ELLE, YOU WANNA GO UP, UP THE FRONT TO GET YOUR PICTURE TAKEN. THERE YOU GO. AND FROM KIMBALL ELEMENTARY, WE HAVE BROOKE. THERE YOU GO. AND THERE YOU GO. CONGRATULATIONS. . AND HERE SHE COMES. ALRIGHT. AND FROM JOHN OTIS, WE HAVE MIRIAM. AND THERE YOU GO. RIGHT HERE. . OKAY. NOW GO UP FRONT. THERE YOU GO. OH, THAT'S GOOD. THERE YOU GO. ALRIGHT. THERE. I COULD TELL SHE WAS GETTING READY TO TAKE OFF. I I COULD JUST, I COULD JUST, I COULD SEE THAT HAPPENING. . ALRIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. NOW, UM, NOW WE GO TO EL TOON AND WE HAVE VICTORIA NOT HERE. OKAY, WE'LL GET THAT TO VICTORIA. EITHER THAT OR I'LL HAVE A FUN TRIP TO WALMART, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. NOW, , UH, WE HAVE ANNA FROM KIMBALL, AND THERE YOU GO. . WELL DONE. OKAY. COMES UP HERE. . OKAY, NEXT FROM ELTO Y WE HAVE LANDON. ALRIGHT. SPORTING A TIE AND EVERYTHING. THERE YOU GO. THERE'S THAT. AND THERE YOU GO. WAY TO GO. LINDA SHARP. DONE. CONGRAT MEET. THIS IS JUST THE PRESIDENT. OKAY, THERE HE COMES. . ALL RIGHT. FROM OLIVE WOOD, WE HAVE POLA. AND THERE YOU ARE. CONGRATULATIONS. MAYOR. OH, OKAY. FIRST VICTORIA. YEP. MORE ABOUT THIS, RIGHT? VICTORIA. OH, OKAY. YES. GET THAT ONE AWAY. VICTORIA'S PICTURE. YES, THERE'S VICTORIA. HERE YOU GO. AND HERE YOU GO. VICTORIA, YOU STAND RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PODIUM HERE. AND THEN TAKE YOUR PICTURE. STAND RIGHT THERE. RIGHT THERE. THERE YOU GO. ALRIGHT. OH, HAVEN'T QUITE GOT IT YET. ALRIGHT, NOW. OKAY, NOW GO OVER AND JOIN THE REST OVER HERE. [00:15:01] AND FROM EL, WE HAVE DAVID. HERE YOU ARE. WALMART. HERE YOU COME. THERE YOU GO. CONGRATULATIONS. WELL DONE, . ALRIGHT, NEXT FROM RANCHO , WE HAVE VALERIE. SOME CONFIDENCE THERE, I'LL TELL YOU. THERE YOU GO. GOOD JOB. NOW. UM, OKAY, NEXT FROM I. GOOD PICTURE. YEP. NEXT FROM EL TOON, WE HAVE MIA. WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. YOU DON'T WANNA FORGET ABOUT WALMART. THERE YOU GO. . CONGRATULATIONS. GOOD. ALRIGHT. AND, UH, WAIT, YOU'RE GOING TAKE A PICTURE UP HERE. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. ALRIGHT. NEXT FROM OLIVE WOOD, WE HAVE NANCY. THERE YOU GO. AND THERE YOU GO. . THERE YOU, YOUR PAPERS WITH THAT. THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GOT IT. YOU GOT IT. OH, FIX. ALRIGHT. AND THEN FROM KIMBALL, WE HAVE HECTOR. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UH, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, FROM KIMBALL, WE HAVE CAMILA. CAMILA. THERE YOU ARE. WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. WAIT, WAIT. THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. CONGRATULATIONS. ALRIGHT, THERE YOU GO. ALRIGHT. WHOA, WHOA. RIGHT. THERE YOU GO. YEP. THERE WE GO. OKAY, NOW WE CAN HAVE ALL OF YOU STANDING IN FRONT OF THE PODIUM FACING THAT WAY. TAKE ONE PICTURE. OKAY. COME AROUND THIS. COME COME ALL THE WAY DOWN. COME ALL THE WAY DOWN. THERE YOU GO. AND, AND YOU STAND IN ONE LONG LINE. , YOU CAN TELL THEY'RE FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. OKAY. OKAY. AND YOU TWO NEED TO BE ON, ON, ON THE ENDS. WAIT, WHERE YOU GOING? NO, NO, NO. YOU NEED TO BE ON THE END [00:20:01] HERE. THERE YOU GO. YEAH, IT'S KI THERE YOU GO. ALRIGHT, THERE WE GO FOLKS. ALRIGHT. OKAY. AND, UH, FOR FAMILY MEMBERS, UH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE CALENDARS FOR YOU OUT IN THE LOBBY SO YOU CAN GET AUTOGRAPHS. NO PROBLEM. AND, UH, KIDS WILL BE THERE TO AUTOGRAPH IT. AND THIS, NOW REALIZING THERE ARE 10 ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN OUR, UH, NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THERE'S NOT A CONTEST OR ANYTHING. SO YOU IMAGINE THERE OUGHT TO BE ABOUT 1.3 PER SCHOOL, BUT IT JUST HAPPENS. KIMBALL ELEMENTARY HAS FOUR, BUT WAIT. OH, TOON HAS FOUR ALSO. SO THEY, I'M SORRY, NOT A CONTEST. THE COVER. SAY WHAT? AND THE COVER. AND THE COVER. YEAH. OKAY. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. THERE'S NO TIEBREAKERS HERE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THESE ARE YOUR WINNERS FOR THIS YEAR. YAY. YEAH, YEAH. WE WE'RE GOING GIVE 'EM A FEW MORE. OH, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. THIS IS ALRIGHT. WELL GIMME JUST A COUPLE MOMENTS TO GET IT CLEAR ON OUT THEN. YEAH. THE FUN PART. HMM. IT DOESN'T LOOK REAL BAD. OH, THE NUMBER OF THAT'S GOOD. NO, NO. LOUISA THIS TIME SHE WASN'T HERE FOR THE CLOSE SESSION EITHER MIKA, UNLESS SHE'S DOING AN ANONYMOUS NAME AND I HAVEN'T SEEN HER THOUGH. WELL, WE SEE THEIR LITTLE, UH, OH, NO, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, KIM. HUH? MIKA'S IN THE BACK. YEAH. MIKA'S BACK THERE WITH ALICIA MORRISON. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO, YEAH, WE'RE THERE, BUT YEAH. [00:26:52] NOW, NOW ARE WE READY? LET'S GO AND GET STARTED. ALRIGHT. IF WE CAN, UH, ALRIGHT. IF WE CAN GET EVERYONE'S ATTENTION, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE MEETING. GET IT BACK. GOING HERE. OH, THERE'S DES GOOD. YOU OKAY? DENNIS, YOU NEED A CONTRACT WITH ME? HUH? YOU NEED A CONTRACT? I HAVE. THAT'S WHY I PUT APPLICATION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE WILL GO INTO [5. PUBLIC COMMENT] PUBLIC COMMENT NOW. PUBLIC COMMENT IS ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. AND, UH, WE, THEY WILL BE LIMITED TO, UH, TWO MINUTES PER SPEAKER. I WILL CALL THREE PEOPLE AT A TIME. UH, PLEASE. WHEN YOU HEAR YOUR NAME CALLED FIRST PERSON'S UP TO THE MIC, THE OTHER TWO GO INTO THE AISLE HERE SO THAT THE MOMENT THAT PERSON'S DONE, THAT YOU CAN COME UP AND IT SAVES A LOT OF TIME. ALRIGHT. SO WITH THAT, WE WILL GO WITH, UH, UH, JESSE NAVARRO, JAMES KIM AND WENDY EGAN. GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING. UH, HONORABLE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY STAFF, CITY MANAGER. MY NAME IS JESSE NAVARRO, AND, UH, I COME TO YOU ONCE AGAIN, UH, WITH A SET NOTE. I BECAME AWARE RECENTLY THAT THERE WERE ONCE AGAIN FALSE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST, UH, SOMEBODY HERE AT, AT THE NATIONAL CITY, UH, ADMINISTRATION. AND THIS CASE HAPPENS TO BE MR. MAYOR, YOUR EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT, JOSIE CLARK. MM-HMM . THERE WERE SOME ALLEGATIONS THAT SHE WAS STEALING MONEY FROM THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY HISPANIC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. MM-HMM . AND LEMME TELL YOU ONCE AGAIN, THOSE ALLEGATIONS ARE [00:30:01] ABSOLUTELY, TOTALLY AND CONFIRMED FALSE. THE SAME LADIES THAT MADE FALSE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST YOU AND OTHER MEMBERS OF, UH, NATIONAL CITY, ARE NOW MAKING FALSE ALLEGATIONS. THE EGAL COUNTY HISPANIC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS SOMETHING THAT I WAS THE FOUNDER AND I'M STILL ON THE BOARD. AND THOSE ALLEGATIONS ARE FALSE ABOUT YOUR EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TAKING MONEY. I RECRUITED MS. CLARK TO BE PART OF THE BOARD AND TO HELP ME RUN THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY HISPANIC CHAMBER. SHE'S, HER REPUTATION IS ABSOLUTELY CREDIBLE, HONEST, AND THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME CONSEQUENCES, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, IN REGARDS TO PEOPLE THAT CONTINUE MAKING FALSE ALLEGATIONS, NOT ONLY AGAINST MS. CLARK, BUT AGAINST ANYBODY WITHOUT ANY BASIS. I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER ANY CONSEQUENCES ON THAT, ANY LEGAL CONSEQUENCES. AND I THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN AND PLEASE GIVE YOUR LOVE AND SUPPORT TO MS. JOSIE CLARK, WHO'S DEDICATED HER TIME NOT ONLY TO SERVE THE MAYOR, BUT SERVE THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. UH, JAMES KIM, FOLLOWED BY WENDY EGAN, FOLLOWED BY DELISE VAUGHN. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S VAUGHN OR VAN. OKAY. JAMES, DID I? YEP. JAMES, KIM, WENDY EGAN. DELISE. I DIDN'T MISPRONOUNCE YOUR NAME. COME ON. . OH, MAYOR COUNCIL. HOW YOU GUYS DOING? HAPPY HOLIDAYS. GOOD MAN. JUST GIVING YOU GUYS AN UPDATE ON OUR PROJECT WITH THE MURAL THAT WE HAD ON, UH, WILSON, UH, 20, UH, 1726 WILSON AND 18TH STREET. IT'S BEEN A GREAT SUCCESS. WE HAD A LOT OF GREAT REVIEWS ON THAT MURAL. I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS. THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. YOU GUYS CAME IN, YOU ALL SHINED UP TO MAKE IT HAPPEN FROM JOSE DITAS, MAYOR MARCUS LU. YOU GUYS ALL COLLABORATE TOGETHER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. I'D LIKE TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY TO THANK, UH, CHIEF ALL, UH, ALEX, THE CHIEF FIRE POLICE CHIEF OVER HERE FOR, FOR APPROVING THE EQUIPMENT TO USE FOR THAT MURAL. THANK YOU, CHIEF FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. TO MAKE THAT SUCCESSFUL. AND ALSO GUYS, I REALLY WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FROM, FROM, FROM PUBLIC WORKS TO, TO PARKS FROM, UH, ENGINEERING, EVERYBODY COLLABORATED TO ONCE TO MAKE THIS THING HAPPEN. AND MIKE, GOING ON MY 20TH YEAR HERE IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, AT THE GRAFFITI SENIOR GRAFFITI TECHNICIAN HERE. I, I NEVER, UH, I NEVER EXPERIENCED ALL DEPARTMENTS WORKING AS ONE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. I WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH A LOT OF, WITH WITH STEVE MENO, WITH MARTHA, UM, WITH A BUNCH OF OTHERS AT, AT OUT THERE, EMILY, DANIEL, EVERYBODY COLLABORATED, NOT JUST IN ALL, IT'S JUST ONE SECTION, BUT EVERYBODY DID. I JUST WANNA THANK YOU GUYS FOR THAT, MAKING IT HAPPEN. AND UM, GUYS, WE HAVE A LOT MORE GREAT PROJECTS UP AND COMING. DEFINITELY, UNFORTUNATELY, EIGHT YEARS AGO, MY BUDGET GOT CUT IN HALF FOR GRAFFITI. UH, THERE'S MORE I WANT TO DO OUT THERE. THERE'S MORE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO TO, TO BEAUTIFY OUR COMMUNITY, BUT I JUST HAVE LACK OF RESOURCES AND FUNDS FOR ME TO DO THAT. SO I'M ASKING FOR COUNCIL AND MAYOR TO DOUBLE CHECK WHAT WE COULD DO TO MAKE THAT THING HAPPEN AND, AND BE ABLE TO WORK THESE YOUNG ARTISTS THAT WE JUST SEEN TODAY. HOW ABOUT THAT? HOW ABOUT ALL THOSE BEAUTIFUL ART THAT WE SEE A YOUNG AGE DOING THAT THOSE ARE THE ONES I'M AFTER TO MAKE, TO, TO DO MULES IN MY COMMUNITY. THOSE KIDS RIGHT THERE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE WORKING FOR AND THAT'S WHY I WANNA DO MORE OF THAT. IF YOU TAKE, TAKE PRIDE IN OUR COMMUNITY TO BEAUTIFY OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT AND TO, UH, PUSH FORWARD AND, UH, FOR BETTER THINGS IN IN OUR CITY. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU JIM. UH, WENDY EGAN, FOLLOWED BY, UH, DELISE V TO BE FOLLOWED BY ALICIA MORRISON. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER, STAFF AND STAFF AND EVERYBODY HERE. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE SOME EXCITING NEWS. OUR ORGANIZATION RECENTLY RECEIVED A GRANT FROM THE FOUNDATION FOR DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES. YAY . UM, THIS MEANS THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE NOW HAVE A DEDICATED FUNDING COMING INTO A NATIONAL CITY, SPECIFICALLY TO SUPPORT OUR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES WITH SPECIAL NEEDS. UM, THIS NOW I'M HERE. SORRY, I'M NERVOUS. . IT'S AN IMPORTANT MILESTONE FOR INCLUSION IN OUR CITY, AND I WANTED TO ENSURE YOU ALL WERE AWARE OF THESE NEW RESOURCES NOW AVAILABLE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. I'M ALSO HERE TONIGHT TO FOLLOW UP ON AN APPLICATION I SUBMITTED REQUESTING A USE OF INDOOR BASKETBALL FACILITY. INCLUSIVE KIDS NETWORK HAS A COACH WITH AN ESTABLISHED ADULT SPECIAL NEEDS BASKETBALL TEAM. AND THE SAME COACH IS, IS READY TO LEAD OUR NEW CHILDREN'S TEAM. OUR GOAL IS TO PREPARE OUR ATHLETES FOR OUR ANNUAL EXCEPTIONAL ATHLETES TOURNAMENTS THAT SAN DIEGO HAS EVERY YEAR. [00:35:02] UM, AND, UM, I WOULD LOVE NATIONAL CITY TO HOST A TOURNAMENT ONE YEAR. I THINK THAT WOULD BRING SO MUCH LIGHT TO NATIONAL CITY. UM, BEYOND BASKETBALL, WE'RE ALSO WORKING TO SECURE A CONSISTENT FACILITY FOR OUR SENSORY ART AND PLAY AND SENSORY FITNESS PLAY PROGRAMS AND OTHER PROGRAMS. WE ARE STILL IN NEED OF A FACILITY USE. THANKS. THE ARTS TEAM HAS BEEN LETTING US, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN SHARING THE SPACE. UM, BUT WE DO WANNA SECURE SOME SPACE, YOU KNOW, SOME CITY SPACE AND, AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. UM, OUR WORK IS ALREADY HAPPENING. THE FAMILIES ARE HERE, THE NEED IS HERE. WHAT WE ARE MISSING IS A RELIABLE ACCESS SPACE FOR OUR KIDS. SO TONIGHT I RESPECTFUL, I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND HELPING US SECURE A LOCATION THAT WILL ALLOW US TO TAKE, TO KEEP EXPANDING YOUR, EXPANDING THESE OPPORTUNITIES FOR NATIONAL CITY. THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. EL ON, UH, ALICIA MORRISON, FOLLOWED BY LARRY EMERSON. UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT. UH, MY NAME IS DELISE VAN. I'M A GRADUATE OF DEPAUL UNIVERSITY AND COLUMBIA COLLEGE. I SPENT THE LAST 20 YEARS WORKING ON MY EDUCATION IN CHICAGO. I'VE RETURNED TO NASHVILLE CITY TO TAKE CARE OF MY MOTHER. WE LIVE ON N AVENUE. UH, I ATTENDED SCHOOL WITH MS. MAYOR MORRISON'S CHILDREN, AND I WENT TO GRANGER WITH VICE MAYOR BUSH. NOVEMBER 4TH WAS MY FIRST COUNCIL MEETING. AND I'M SAD TO SAY THAT I'M NOT IMPRESSED BY THE DISPLAY OF HYPOCRISY OF THE SPEAKERS AND DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SHOWN ME NOTHING BUT KINDNESS. IF YOUR TRUE DESIRE IS TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY THE NEXT TIME AFTER PROACTIVE SOLUTIONS AND NOT GOSSIP AND HEARSAY COMMUNITY IS ABOUT PATIENCE, COMPASSION, AND UNDERSTANDING. REMEMBER TO NOT JUDGE THIS E BE JUDGED. NATIONAL CITY HAS NO PLACE FOR BULLYING. WHO ARE YOU TO NATIONAL CITY AND WHAT IS YOUR TRUE AGENDA TO BE SUPPORTIVE OR DESTRUCTIVE? THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU ALICIA MORRISON, FOLLOWED BY LARRY EMERSON, FOLLOWED BY DANIEL KAY. WHAT CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE HAS ADOPTED IS THE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING. I AM REQUESTING THIS COUNCIL CHANGE THE ZONING AT SWEETWATER AND ORANGE STREET BACK TO RS TWO, LOW MEDIUM DENSITY. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO ANY PARTICULAR LEVEL OF PROFITEERING BASED ON ZONING. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS HAD PLANNED TO DO. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT LEASE IS NOT DEAD ZONING IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF COMMUNITY ALONE AND PRESERVES THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF COMMUNITY, THOSE LOTS, BUT RIGHT UP AGAINST TO AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. YOU DON'T NEED ANY MORE DRIVE-THROUGHS, NO MORE GAS STATIONS, NO MORE CONVENIENCE STORES, NO MORE VACANT RETAIL SHELLS BEING USED AS ILLEGAL STORAGE OR SITTING EMPTY. SO AGAIN, I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE RESTORE THE ZONING BACK TO RS TWO. LOW MEDIUM DENSITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, THAT'S LARRY EMERSON, FOLLOWED BY DANIEL K, FOLLOWED BY MPV. GOOD EVENING, LARRY EMERSON. AND GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR MORRISON AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR ALL THOSE FRIENDLY HANDSHAKES FOR THE KIDS. I THINK THEY'RE GONNA REMEMBERING THAT EVENT FOR A LONG TIME. UM, I'M HERE TO, UH, REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THERE IS A NEW PROGRAM WHERE YOU CAN SAVE YOUR ENERGY COSTS IN NATIONAL CITY AND SAN DIEGO COUNTY. I, I, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO I CAME IN AND TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THE SOLAR BATTERY SAVINGS PROGRAM AND, UH, NASH, IT WAS GANGBUSTER PRO PROGRAM LAST YEAR, BUT NATIONAL CITY AT RESIDENTS DIDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. SO WE REALLY WANT TO GET THE WORD OUT. AND THERE'S GONNA BE SOME WORK WORKSHOPS IN THE COMMUNITY COMING UP. IT'LL BE ON THE WEBSITE, SD COMMUNITY POWER.ORG, AND WE REALLY WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. SO, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF THE INFORMATION. THE SOLAR BATTERY SAVINGS PROGRAM PROVIDES UPFRONT REBATES AND ONGOING PERFORMANCE INCENTIVES FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS WHO INSTALL NEW SOLAR PLUS STORAGE OR ADD BATTERIES THROUGH THEIR EXISTING SOLAR SETUP. FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE LOWER UPFRONT COST THROUGH INSTALLATION REBATES. THEIR BILLS WILL BE, WILL BE LESS WILL SAVED BY USING THE STORED ENERGY AND THE BATTERIES DURING THE PEAK TIMES. AND THEY WILL ALSO HAVE A BACKUP POWER IN CASE THE [00:40:01] POWER GOES OUT. IN ADDITION, THERE'LL BE A PERFORMANCE PAYMENT. THE EXCESS ENERGY YOU HAVE IN THE BATTERIES, WHEN YOU PUT IT BACK BETWEEN FOUR AND 9:00 PM YOU'LL GET 10 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR BACK. SO IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR THE GRID. HELP REDUCE THE GRID COST. MM-HMM . SHARE ENERGY WITH EVERYBODY AND IT'S GOOD FOR THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS. SO, UH, I I BROUGHT ONE OF THESE LAST TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY GOT ONE ON THE COUNCIL. SHOULD I GIVE ANOTHER ONE? SURE. OKAY. . AND, UH, NEXT YEAR WE'LL BE BACK AND THERE'S GONNA BE SOME WORK WORKSHOPS AND WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, DANIEL KAY, FOLLOWED BY MPV, FOLLOWED BY TED GOTCH. THANK YOU MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS. MAYOR, I'M JUST HERE TO ASK YOU TO ONCE AGAIN DISCLOSE THE, THE, UH, PHONE RECORDS YOU HAVE RELATING TO THE INFAMOUS PROJECT AT SWEETWATER ROAD AND ORANGE STREET. AS YOU ARE NO DOUBT AWARE, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, THE CITY TURNED OVER RECORDS RELATING TO THAT PROJECT, AND IN IT WE DISCOVERED THAT YOU AND YOUR ASSISTANT HAD MET WITH CERTAIN DEVELOPERS AND LONGTIME DONORS ABOUT THAT PROJECT. AND YOU GOTTA PUSH THROUGH. NOW, THE PROJECT WAS SO UNPOPULAR THAT IT CAUSED EVERYONE LIVING NEARBY TO PROTEST IT. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN A CONCERNED CITIZEN TRIED TO GET YOUR PHONE RECORDS LINK TO THE PROJECT, THOSE RECORDS WERE MISSING. AND, AND THAT CITIZEN HAD TO FILE A LAWSUIT TO TRY TO GET THOSE RECORDS. NOW, YOU WERE ASKED TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH. WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE RECORDS? YOU SAID, YOU SAID THAT THE IT DEPARTMENT HAD THOSE RECORDS ALL ALONG AND THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO TURN ANYTHING OVER. AND THE IT DEPARTMENT, WHEN THEY TESTIFIED, SAID THAT WAS COMPLETELY UNTRUE. FINE. NOW, I DO WANNA GIVE CREDIT TO YOU WHERE CREDIT IS DUE. YOU DID SIGN YOUR SWORN STATEMENT, UH, OF YOUR TESTIMONY IN THAT CASE, THAT IS A GOOD THING. OF COURSE, IT TOOK NEARLY SEVEN MONTHS, BUT AT LEAST YOU SIGNED IT. YOU SIGNED IT A WEEK AGO, ACTUALLY. NOW. SO THEREFORE, I DO WANNA COMMEND THE MAYOR FOR STICKING BY YOUR COVER STORY. NO ONE BELIEVES IT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT. . THE POINT IS SIMPLY THIS, WE CAUGHT YOUR HAND IN THE COOKIE JAR AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE DOUBLING DOWN. WHY? WHY, WHY WE EVEN DO THAT AT ALL? WHY NOT JUST TURN OVER THE RECORDS? WE COULD BE DONE IN A HEARTBEAT. WE COULD DISPENSE WITH THIS IMMEDIATELY. WE KNOW THAT THE PHONE RECORDS EXIST. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TURN THEM OVER. WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE THIS CONTROVERSY COME BACK WEEK AFTER WEEK. AND IT'S NOT TOO LATE. IT'S REALLY NOT TOO LATE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. WE HAVE MPV TED SHOCK AND THEN PAUL WADOWSKI. HAPPY HOLIDAYS. UH, RON, YOU ARE NOW. YOU WERE SHOWING OFF YOUR 33 YEARS IN OFFICE, AND YET YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT, BUT CORRUPTION AND A HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT. YOU ARE FACING FIVE LAWSUITS IN SAN DIEGO SUPERIOR COURT. THERE ARE THREE LAWSUITS FOR PUBLIC RECORDS. YOU HAVE FAILED TO PRODUCE OR HAVE DESTROYED ONE LAWSUIT VIOLATING THE OPEN MEETING LAW AND ONE LAWSUIT FOR A DECLARATORY JUDGMENT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN RESTORE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT ORANGE STREET AND SWEETWATER ROAD TO RESIDENTIAL AND LOW TO MODERATE DENSITY. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO END THE LITIGATION BY RELEASING THE REQUESTED PUBLIC RECORDS AND AGREEING THAT YOU HAVE THE POWER TO RESTORE THE LAND AT ORANGE STREET AND SWEETWATER ROAD TO RESIDENTIAL AND LOAD TO MODERATE DENSITY. BUT YOU REFUSE TO DO SO. YOU COMPLAIN THAT WE HAVE FILED TOO MANY PUBLIC RECORDS, BUT THAT IS BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE ASK FOR A PUBLIC RECORD THAT SHOULD BE READILY AVAILABLE, YOU DEMAND THAT WE FILE A WRITTEN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. THERE HAVE BEEN 893 PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FILED IN NATIONAL CITY THIS YEAR. OUR REQUESTS ARE A TINY FRACTION OF THOSE. WE ARE NOT THE ONLY VICTIMS OF YOUR VIOLATIONS OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW. THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COALITION HAD TO SUE YOU TO OBTAIN FUEL PROJECT RECORDS. WE HEAR THE SAME REFRAIN FROM OTHER CITIZENS. NATIONAL CITY REFUSES TO HONOR THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW. WHAT THE PUBLIC MUST COME TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOUR REFUSAL TO TURN OVER THE PUBLIC RECORDS IS REALLY A PART OF A CONTINUING COVERUP OF YOUR MISDEEDS. THIS APPLIES TO THE TEXT MESSAGES. REMEMBER RON, YOU TESTIFIED FALSELY THAT YOU DID NOT TURN OVER THE TEXT MESSAGES ON YOUR PHONE BECAUSE YOU [00:45:01] TOLD IT DEPARTMENT. YET THIS TESTIMONY WAS IMMEDIATELY SHOWN TO BE FALSE BY THE IT DEPARTMENT. PLEASE RESIGN THIS POST AND GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY THAT ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT THE CITY. STOP PRETENDING. THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD. THEY ARE TRYING TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE ASKING US TO ZONE, ZONE, AND THEY HAVE OFFERED TO DROP THOSE PRA LAWSUITS IF WE DO THAT. AND NO, I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT. NEXT WE HAVE TED GODSHAW, FOLLOWED BY, UH, PAUL WADOWSKI, FOLLOWED BY ALEJANDRO, UH, ALEJANDRO DIAZ. TED GODSHAW HERE, UH, TONIGHT I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME YOU IN JOINING THE VANGUARD OF THE COMMUNITY CONCERNED MEMBERS WHO HAVE WORKED SO LONG TO PROTECT AND IMPROVE THE ENVIRONMENT AND QUALITY OF LIFE HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. I'M SPEAKING OF YOUR SUPPORT TO DENY THE DEVELOPMENT OF USD FUELS. WELCOME TO THE VANGUARD AND THANK YOU TONIGHT. I'M ALSO HERE TO REPORT ON OUR ACTIVITIES THIS YEAR AT PARADISE CREEK EDUCATIONAL PARK. WE'VE HELD OUR NONPROFIT GROUP HAS LED OVER, HAS LED 10 MONTHLY CREEK DAYS WITH OVER 120 VOLUNTEERS. WE HAVE PLANTED MANY NATIVE PLANTS, PULLED THOUSANDS OF WEEDS, AND PICKED UP BAGS AND BAGS AND BAGS AND BAGS OF TRASH. WE VERY MUCH ENJOY OUR COLLABORATION WITH THE FAMILY GARDEN AND MUNDO GARDENS, AND WE HAVE SUPPORTED STUDENT VISITS SEVERAL TIMES. I HAVE A CONTACT SHEET OF PHOTOS TONIGHT, WHICH SHOW QUITE A FEW ISSUES OR 20 PHOTOS ON HERE. ONE OF THEM IS GRAFFITI COVERED UP. THANK YOU. BY STAFF. THESE ISSUES MUST BE ADDRESSED BY YOUR STAFF. I WILL GIVE THIS SHEET TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. OKAY. IT IT OVER TO CITY, CITY CLERK. WELL, I'M, I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO THEM. NO, GIVE IT TO CITY CLERK BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT FOR HER . AND IF IT'S A DOCUMENT AND CITY COUNCIL, IT GOES TO THE CITY CLERK. THANK YOU. YOU EXCUSE ME. YOU'RE TAKING MY TIME. NO. WELL, YOU'RE GIVING INSTRUCTIONS. YOU DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO GOD. GET RIGHT TO THE STAFF. OKAY. ISSUES ON THIS LIST INCLUDE DEAD TREES, DUMPING AND GRAFFITI. ALWAYS A SERIOUS NEW ISSUE. AND THIS WEEK, SOMETHING NEW CAME UP. WE SAW THAT SOMEONE RODE MOTORCYCLE THROUGH THE HABITAT. SO NEAR THE KIMBALL SCHOOL FENCE IN THE SALT PAN, WE CALL IT NEAR THE BOARDWALK. MM-HMM . TEARING UP THE HABITAT. THIS IS NEW AND IT REQUIRES POLICE ACTIVITY, NOT PUBLIC WORKS ACTIVITY. WE USUALLY SEE BICYCLE TRACKS IN THIS AREA. THIS WAS MOTORCYCLES AND IT WASN'T JUST IN THAT ONE AREA OF THE HABITAT. THANK YOU. AND JOIN US ON THE LAST SATURDAY OF THE MONTH. THANK YOU. PAUL WADOWSKI, FOLLOWED BY ALEJANDRA DIAZ. FOLLOWED BY EDO. A GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. MAYOR COUNCIL. UM, I, DUDE, I GOT A, I FINALLY GOT A CHANCE TO, UH, CATCH LAST, LAST, UH, MEETING AND THE WHOLE TURKEY OF THE YEAR THEATRICS. UM, AND IT, IT WAS DUMB. I'LL JUST SAY REALLY QUICK. AND, AND I SHARED MY FEELINGS ABOUT IT WITH A COUPLE OF THE ACE FOLKS THAT I KNOW. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, THE LA VISTA AWFUL. UH, THEY PICKED IT UP AND THEY MADE MORE DUMB WITH IT, UH, WHICH WAS GREAT. I'M SURE RODRIGUEZ LOVED IT, MAN. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, INDIRECTLY THEY'RE CAMPAIGNING FOR HIM. UH, THIS BLOOD SUCKING PAIR OF LANDLORDS HAS BEEN SUING THE CITY FOR A YEAR. AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY ONLY BECAUSE THEY ACHE TO DO MORE LANDLORDING. AND, AND JUST ALSO BY THE WAY, I, I, I CAUGHT THE, THE VERY END OF MCCARTHY'S, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT. AND IF YOU WERE IN THE ROOM WHEN SHE WAS WRAPPING UP AND YOU WEREN'T DISGUSTED AND ANGERED, THEN YOU'RE AS BIG A SCUMBAG AS SHE IS, QUITE FRANKLY. UM, AND SO LOCAL ACE IS COOL WITH, WITH THESE CLOWNS, LIKE CO-OPTING THEIR TURKEY NONSENSE TO FORWARD THEIR TERRIBLE OWNING CLASS PROJECT. IT SEEMS THAT THEY ARE. AND SO, LASTLY, THIS SHOULD BE A RED FLAG FOR NC VOTERS, UH, ECHOING A FRIEND'S MESSAGE OF CAUTION FROM LAST NIGHT. YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT VALIDATING ENDORSEMENTS AS WE HEAD INTO THE ELECTION SEASON. ACE EHC REPRESENT THEMSELVES AS PROGRESSIVE PEOPLE FIRST ORGS. BUT THIS CANNOT BE TRUE IF THEY ENDORSE COMPROMISED DEMOCRATS IN NOVEMBER. SO, SO PAY ATTENTION, SO MUCH CORRUPTION IN SD COUNTY DEM POLITICS. PAY ATTENTION TO WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM AND WHAT THE MONEY WANTS. ALEJANDRA DIAZ, EDWARD NIETO, RANDY CASTLE, SALGADO. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ALEJANDRA DIAZ AND I AM A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF NATIONAL CITY. TODAY, I AM HERE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN THAT SOME OF US RESIDENTS AT THE NATIONAL CITY PARK APARTMENTS HAVE COME ACROSS IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR. ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, SOME OF US TENANTS RECEIVED AN EMAIL SAYING [00:50:01] THAT AT THE CONSTRUCTION SITE AT THE CORNER OF 24TH AND F THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT THAT HIT THE, THE GAS LINE THAT WAS SHUT OFF. INITIALLY, WE WERE TOLD IT WAS GONNA TAKE A WEEKEND TO BE FIXED. NO PROBLEM. IT HAS NOT BEEN FIXED TO THIS DAY. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD ACCESS TO HOT WATER. WE HAVE NOT HAD ACCESS TO NOW THE HEATER. NOW THAT IT'S COLD, WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO OUR STOVES AND WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO OUR WASHER AND DRYER. IN ALL FAIRNESS, FOR THE FIRST TWO MONTHS, WE WERE GIVEN A CREDIT TO NOT PAY ANY RENT. BUT IN OCTOBER, WHICH IS LAST MONTH, WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BRING IN SOME, UH, SOME TEMPORARY, UM, UH, GAS HEATERS, WHICH WOULD GIVE US HOT WATER. THAT HASN'T BEEN THE CASE. THERE'S HA IT'S NOT HOT WATER, UNFORTUNATELY. AND WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL MAYBE ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO SAYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PICK UP ON CHARGING US 75% OF RENT FOR THEM GIVING US THEIR BARE MINIMUM. WE, AGAIN, WE HAD THANKSGIVING LAST WEEK. WE WERE NOT ABLE TO USE OUR OVENS. I HAD TO GO TO MY SISTER-IN-LAW'S HOUSE TO COOK OUR THANKSGIVING DINNER BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T COURTEOUS TO EVEN TELL US THAT THIS HAD NOT BEEN FIXED. CAME OCTOBER, THEY SAID IT'S GOING TO BE FIXED IN NOVEMBER. CAME NOVEMBER. THEY SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE FIXED IN DECEMBER. BUT NOW WE'RE HEARING THAT SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE MEMBER, UH, MAINTENANCE TEAM ARE TELLING OTHER TENANTS THAT IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE FIXED UNTIL THE BE, UH, MID-JANUARY. SO WE HAVE COMPLAINED TO MANAGEMENT, AND THIS IS HEARSAY, BUT A NEIGHBOR GOT THE ANSWER IS THE ANSWER THAT HE GOT WAS, WELL, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. I URGE YOU TODAY TO CONSIDER AN INVESTIGATION AGAINST THIS CORPORATION BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT IT IS AN INJUSTICE THAT HERE THEY ARE WANTING TO CHARGE US RENT FOR THEM JUST GIVING US THE BARE MINIMUM. WE EXPECT TO EXPERIENCE THIS AGAIN DURING CHRISTMAS, PERHAPS NEW YEAR FOR WHICH WE THINK IT'S NOT FAIR. THANK YOU. JUST REAL QUICKLY, UH, I DID RECEIVE A CALL TODAY FROM REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BUILDING TRADES, OR NOT ACTUALLY A TEXT WANTING TO TALK TO ME, JUST WASN'T ABLE TO GET BACK TO HIM TODAY. I WILL MAKE SURE I CALLED HIM IN THE MORNING. HE, HE SAID, HE JUST GAVE ME A TEXT THAT YOU WANTED TO GIVE ME AN UPDATE. MM-HMM . I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN FIND OUT. AND, UH, YOU GOT YOUR EMAIL ON HERE. WE'LL, WE'LL GET A RESPONSE BACK TO YOU AND, UH, SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND OUT. OKAY. FOR YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, EDWARD NETTO, FOLLOWED BY RANDY CASTLE STO FOLLOWED BY SHERRY GOGI. NOW THAT'S A GOOD NATIONAL CITY GOVERNMENT STORY THAT NEEDS TO BE FOLLOWED UP ON AND PEOPLE SMILE ABOUT IT. LET ME TALK ABOUT WHAT I'M HERE FIRST. UH, I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS ABOUT THE FISCAL 2024, UH, FISCAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT LATER. BUT WHAT'S HAPPENED THESE TIMES I'VE COME IS WHERE THERE'S AN UNDERLYING COMMON CAUSE OF UNEXPLAINED, POORLY DOCUMENTED EXPENDITURES THAT WE KEEP SEEING COMING UP AND UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN. LIKE THE TURKEY GIVEAWAY. IT STARTED OFF WITH JOSE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE SAME UNDERLYING CAUSE IS CONTINUING. YOU SEE IT IN, IF YOU QUESTION THE CAUSES HERE, YOU LOOK AT IT AS, AS, AS DUPLICATE EXPENDITURES THAT ARE OCCURRING HERE RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE, UM, OUTSIDE, WE HAVE THIS HOUSING TENANT WRITE FLYERS, AND WE HAVE HCD, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB, I THINK. BUT YET WE HAVE A, A, A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO, UM, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE SUPPORTING THIS AREA. AND, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THERE MIGHT BE BECAUSE HE'S SUPPORTING AN ORGANIZATION THAT MIGHT BE COMPETING WITH THE SAME TYPE OF SERVICES. TO ME, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A DUPLICATION OF SERVICES THAT, YOU KNOW, NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THERE'S OTHER TYPE OF COSTS THAT WE HAVE. LET ME HEAR, I'M GETTING OFF MY TRACK HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE, UM, VIDEOGRAPHY COST. WE HAVE A PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER. NOW, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE WE DUPLICATING THOSE TYPE OF SERVICES? YOU KNOW, SHOULDN'T WE QUESTION? DO WE NEED THAT TYPE OF, UH, VIDEOGRAPHY, UH, UH, UH, UH, BUSINESS PROMOTING? IF WE HAVE A PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER? YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE NEED THOSE TYPE OF COSTS? I'M JUST GETTING DOWN TO GENERAL FUND TYPE OF EXPENDITURES. BUT THE PROBLEM, THE ISSUE I HAVE IS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS THE COST HAS TO BE REASONABLE AND NECESSARY. UNFORTUNATELY, OUR GENERAL FUND, UH, GUIDELINES, DON'T FOLLOW THAT. THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. RANDY CASTLE SALGADO, FOLLOWED BY SHERRY GOGI, FOLLOWED BY DOYLE MORRISON. HELLO EVERYONE. IT'S BEEN A MINUTE. UM, IT'S INCREDIBLY DISHEARTENING TO WITNESS THE PATTERN OF OUTSIDE INFLUENCES COMING INTO OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS. NOT TO CONTRIBUTE CONSTRUCTIVELY, BUT TO INSULT [00:55:01] OUR MAYOR, ATTACK OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS UNDERMINE OUR CITY STAFF AND PUBLICLY DISCREDIT OUR CHIEF OF POLICE CITY MANAGER. THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT HERE TO SUPPORT NATIONAL CITY. THEY'RE CREATING A CIRCUS-LIKE ENVIRONMENT THAT DISTRACTS FROM MEANINGFUL CITY BUSINESS AND DRAINS RESOURCES THAT SHOULD BE SERVING OUR RESIDENTS. OUR STAFF IS ALREADY STRETCHED THIN, YET THEY'RE FORCED TO SPEND COUNTLESS HOURS RESPONDING TO EXCESSIVE PRA DEMANDS AND NAVIGATING LEGAL CHALLENGES INSTIGATED BY PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIVE HERE AND DO NOT REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITY. ALL REGARDING A PROJECT THAT IS NO LONGER EVEN ACTIVE. THE AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME, LEGAL EXPENSE, AND EMOTIONAL TOLL THIS HAS CREATED IS UNACCEPTABLE. WHAT IS EVEN MORE CONCERNING IS WATCHING CERTAIN COUNCIL MEMBERS, SPECIFICALLY YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER JOSE RODRIGUEZ, FAIL TO DEFEND OUR CITY AND INSTEAD ALIGN YOURSELF WITH OUTSIDE VOICES. INSTEAD OF STANDING UP FOR OUR STAFF, OUR HARDWORKING EMPLOYEES, AND THE RESIDENTS WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN NATIONAL CITY, YOU APPEAR TO AMPLIFY AND VALIDATE INDIVIDUALS WHOSE GOAL IS NOW TO SOW DIVISION AND MANIPULATE PUBLIC PERCEPTION THAT IS NOT LEADERSHIP. EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL UP HERE HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO PUT NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS FIRST. THAT MEANS PROTECTING OUR STAFF FROM HARASSMENT, STANDING UP FOR THE TRUTH, AND REJECTING OUTSIDE GROUPS WHO TRY TO WEAPONIZE PUBLIC COMMENT TO PUSH AN AGENDA THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR COMMUNITY'S NEEDS. IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBER IS UNWILLING OR UNABLE TO PRIORITIZE NATIONAL CITY AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, THEN THEY SHOULD RECONSIDER WHETHER THEY DESERVE TO SIT IN THAT SEAT. OUR RESIDENTS DESERVE REPRESENTATIVES WHO DEFEND THEM, NOT THOSE WHO ENABLE OUTSIDE LOBBYISTS TO TEAR DOWN OUR CITY. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CREATE A POLICY SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING WHETHER A PUBLIC COMMENTER IS A RESIDENT OR NOT A RESIDENT. THIS MAKES IT EASIER FOR COUNCIL, COMMISSIONS AND COMMUNITY. THANK, THANK VERY MUCH AND BETTER DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN NEIGHBORS AND OUTSIDE LOBBYISTS. THANK YOU. I ENCOURAGE OUR LEADERS TO STAND TOGETHER. THANK YOU. SHERRY GOGI, FOLLOWED BY DOYLE MORRISON, FOLLOWED BY TONY. IS IT BAZEL? I MAY HAVE MESSED THAT UP. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER STAFF. I CAME HERE WITH ONE AGENDA, WHICH WAS TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE GREAT OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN IT RAINED TWO WEEKS AGO, IT WAS LITTLE HARD ON US, BUT EVERYTHING FLOWED LIKE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS. THE WATER WENT, WENT, WENT. SO I HAD, WELL, A GOOD NIGHT'S SLEEP THE SECOND NIGHT, SO IT WAS GOOD . SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BUT I'M ALSO HERE TO BRING TO LIGHT AS A RESIDENT OF NATIONAL CITY, THAT OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE NOT TO BE USED FOR PERSONAL VENDETTAS. I MEAN, IT'S JUST AMAZING HOW OUR OWN STAFF, OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, OUR MAYOR, ARE BEING BUDGETED FOR PERSONAL VENDETTAS. THERE'S WAYS TO DO THAT. WHAT YOU, WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE? I'VE BEEN HERE NUMEROUS TIMES AND I CAN'T EVEN GET THROUGH BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE JUST LINED UP ON THIS ONE THING. AND THEN I HAVE BUSINESS TO DO. I HAVE TO WORK THE NEXT DAY. I CAN'T BE HERE TILL MIDNIGHT. I THINK YOU SHOULD CHANGE YOU OUR AGENDA HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WANT TO, YOU DON'T WANT TO STIFLE IT. I'M SORRY. YOU SHOULD. BUT PUT IT AT THE END. LET THEM STAY HERE TILL MIDNIGHT AND DO THEIR THING. AND LET US DO OUR BUSINESS IN NATIONAL CITY. THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS NATIONAL CITY RESIDENCE. THANK YOU, JEFF. JEFF, TO LET YOU KNOW IT USED TO BE THE POLICY. THAT PUBLIC COMMENT WAS AT THE END OF OUR MEETING ONE TIME. UM, KATE DOLE MORRISON, TONY BAZEL, AND THEN, UH, GUILLERMO GARCIA. HELLO, COUNSEL. HELLO, NATIONAL CITY. I AM NOT A RESIDENT OF NATIONAL CITY. I LIVE IN LINCOLN ACRES. HOWEVER, LINCOLN ACRES IS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF NATIONAL CITY, AND THEREFORE ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN NATIONAL CITY IS IMPORTANT TO THE RESIDENTS OF LINCOLN ACRES BECAUSE WE ARE INFLUENCED BY IT GREATLY. UM, I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT, UM, FEEL THE NEED THAT, THAT, UH, LINCOLN NECKERS RESIDENTS SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COME AND, AND BE EMPOWERED TO TAKE PART IN THIS DEMOCRATIC PROCESS WITH YOU. UM, WE ARE THERE FOR THE RIDE BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IN NATIONAL CITY WILL AFFECT US GREATLY. I LIVE 140 FEET FROM THAT PROPERTY. DEAR TO MY HEART. WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT PROPERTY? AND I DON'T KNOW WHY IT HAS TO BE THIS VENDETTA THING. WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE LIKE MYSELF TO MAKE MEANINGFUL TO COMMENTS, TO HELP YOU GUYS MAKE A DECISION BASED ON ALL THINGS, LIKE YOUR GENERAL PLAN [01:00:01] SAYS WITH THE COUNTY'S GENERAL PLAN, THAT YOU SHOULD COORDINATE WITH COMM, LOCAL COMMUNITIES, NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, WHICH ON THAT PROJECT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HAPPENED. AND SO WHEN WE COME, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE GOOD FOR THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY AND FOR THIS, UH, C COMMUNITY OF LINCOLN ACRES. SO I JUST ASK YOU GUYS TO ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO COME AND TAKE PART OF THIS PROCESS BECAUSE WE ARE SO GREATLY INVOLVED AND WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ZONING THAT HAPPENS IS GOOD FOR EVERYBODY, NOT JUST ONE DEVELOPER. UM, NOT JUST ONE PROPERTY. LIKE THAT PROPERTY WAS RESIDENTIAL. IT COULD GO BACK TO RESIDENTIAL. ONCE AGAIN, JUST LIKE THE REVOLVING DOOR OVER ON 16TH STREET THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN. SO IT'S HAPPENED THERE. IT CAN HAPPEN OVER HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, LET ME TONY, BE FOLLOWED BY GUILLERMO. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TONY BASEL AND, UH, I'M HERE TO, UH, GIVE PRAISES TO A NATIONAL CITY GYM, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE. UH, NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE IS A GREAT, UH, ENVIRONMENT. OKAY, THAT, THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY AN ITEM THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. OKAY. SO IF, IF YOU CAN WAIT A LITTLE WHILE THEN OKAY, WE'LL, WE WILL BRING YOU UP FOR THAT ONE. ALRIGHT, PERFECT. I'LL, I'LL WRITE YOU DOWN FOR GOLF COURSE. OKAY. UH, UBA EVENING, EVERYONE. FIRST OFF, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. UM, I HAD TO COME SPEAK BECAUSE I'VE COME TO A FEW CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND IT'S PRETTY DISGUSTING TO SEE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T FROM THE CITY AT TECH. PEOPLE THAT I KNOW PERSONALLY, AND PEOPLE WHO I LOOK UP TO, MR. MAYOR, I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ATTACKED YOU AND IT'S, IT'S UNFAIR, YOU KNOW, THAT PEOPLE WHO JUST COME HERE WITH AGENDAS AND ALL THAT. SO I'M HERE TO RECORD, UH, REMIND PEOPLE YOU'VE BEEN IN POLITICS FOR A LONG TIME. MM-HMM . OVER 20 YEARS AGO. I WAS A YOUNG KID AT THE CYHC IN CLEMENTE, I REMEMBER WAS IN CHARGE, CITY COUNCIL AND ALL THAT. AND I'M ONE OF THOSE ALUMNIS. I SAY THAT BECAUSE, UH, WE NEED TO DO MORE TO REACH THE YOUTH OUT HERE NOWADAYS, UH, THESE YOUNG HISPANICS ARE GETTING INTO GANGS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL, SOMETIMES THEY EVEN YOUNGER NOW. SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN MAYBE GET, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO KIND OF GO INTO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND KIND OF BUILD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE, WITH THE CHILDREN AT A YOUNG AGE. I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT OT AND CI GREW UP AROUND THEM. I COULD TWIST MY FINGERS, BUT THAT'S THE OLD ME. UM, THE CYAC HELPED ME TO STOP BREAKING, UH, PEOPLE'S WINDOWS. I REMEMBER I, I SPOKE AT THE CITY COUNCIL WHEN I WAS 16. I WAS A YOUNG TROUBLEMAKER, BUT AFTER THAT, I WENT TO THE, I WENT TO THE MILITARY. AND, UH, SO AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH TO A FELLOW VETERAN LIKE YOU, SIR. AND AGAIN, TO THE PEOPLE THAT JUST HAVE NO FREAKING LIFE AND COME HERE AND JUST BASH PEOPLE ON THEIR CHARACTER AND THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW 'EM, THAT'S JUST COMPLETE EMBARRASSMENT. BUT IT ONLY MAKES YOU LOOK EVEN HIGHER BY NOT GIVING INTO IT. SO, MM-HMM . THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR THE CITY. THANK YOU FOR, UH, WHAT THE, WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE FOR ME. I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SERVE MY COUNTRY. I'VE BEEN ABLE TO COME BACK AND, UH, JUST GET ADJUSTED TO LIFE LITTLE BY LITTLE. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE NATIONAL CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT AND NATIONAL CITY LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE. HELP ME, UH, GET OUTTA MY FUNK AND I'M SLOWLY GETTING BACK INTO SOCIETY. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND, UH, YEAH, CONTINUE AND LET'S CONTINUE FUNDING THIS UA SEE DURING MEETING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT. UM, THAT'S ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE HERE, BUT, UH, WE ARE AT THE 30 MINUTE MARK, SO, UH, ANY THAT WE HAVE ON ZOOM, WE WILL CARRY TO THE END OF THE MEETING. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO WITH THAT WE GO INTO, UH, [6.1 Introduction of New City Employees] INTRODUCTION OF NEW EMPLOYEES AND LET'S SEE, WHO DO WE WANNA START OUT WITH FIRST? UM, HOW ABOUT ENGINEERING? WE MAY HAVE ONE. OH, SHE MIGHT HAVE PUT SOMETHING ELSE. SANDRA, DID YOU, SANDRA? OKAY. YOU STILL WANT TO SPEAK UNDER PUBLIC SUPPORT? YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING UP HERE. I'M SORRY. UM, YOU, YOU KNOW ME OBVIOUSLY. MM-HMM . AND I'VE BEEN COMING HERE , I LONGER THAN MOST OF THESE PEOPLE WERE BORN. I MEAN, I USED TO RIDE MY HORSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHEN IT CAME DOWN ON SWEETWATER ROAD AND NATIONAL CITY. AND EVEN OUR FOREFATHERS, OUR FOREFATHERS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE BOUNDARIES. [01:05:01] THEY DIDN'T SAY, OH, YOU CAN'T GO HERE, YOU CAN'T GO HERE. YOU CAN'T GO HERE. AND, AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THERE'S THIS QUESTION WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ANSWERED. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROJECT WAS PULLED, BUT IS THE LEAST DEAD. IF WE COULD HEAR THE WORDS, UH, YOU REMIND ME, LOOKING AT JAMARCUS, IF, IF WE COULD HEAR THAT THE LEASE IS DEAD, A LOT OF THIS WOULD BE ALLEVIATED, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT. AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY YOU COULD SAY, LOOK, NOT ONLY IS THE PROJECT DEAD, THE LEASE IS DEAD, AND YOU KEEP REPEATING THAT, YOU KNOW, MIKA AND LOUISA WANTED THE PROPERTY, YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND THAT IS THE ROAD THAT GETS YOU UP TO THIS VERY HISTORIC MONUMENT. AND BY SAYING THAT THEY WOULD WANT IT TO BE RESIDENTIAL TO PUT THE HOMES THERE BECAUSE THERE IS A HOUSING SHORTAGE. IT'S NOT THAT THEY WANNA BUY IT. MAY I? SO IF WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THAT, THAT AN OFFER WAS MADE OR NOT AN OFFER, WE DON'T KNOW THAT. WE DON'T KNOW THAT. YEAH, WE ACTUALLY DO, BUT WE DO. OKAY. BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW, WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS IF THE LEASE IS DEAD. OKAY. IF I CAN, SANDRA, I WANT YOU TO PLEASE NO, WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THE LEASE ISN'T WITH US. THE LEASE IS BETWEEN A PRO, YOU KNOW, A LEASER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER. SO WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING THAT. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD FIND THIS OUT? BECAUSE IT WOULD BRING THIS TO A CLOSURE AND FOR THE NEW YEAR, IT WOULD BE A NEW START. THE PROJECT, THE FEAR IS ABOUT THE PROJECT. THE PROJECT OF THE PROPOSED GAS STATION IS DEAD AND HAS BEEN DEAD FOR A YEAR. A YEAR. IT'S THEN IT'S NOT COMING BACK. RIGHT. THERE'S NO PROPOSAL THAT HAS COME BACK. SO IT'S RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S A PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT WE ALREADY ZONED YEARS AGO. THE PROBLEM IS NOW THAT EVERYTHING GOT LEGALLY MESSY WHEN THEY PUT AN OFFER ON THE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE ASKING US PUBLICLY TO DOWN ZONE. AND THEY PUBLICLY ASKED US OR TOLD US THAT THEY WOULD DROP THE PRA LAWSUITS IF WE DOWN ZONE THE PROPERTY, WHICH THAT'S ILLEGAL. THAT'S EXTORTION. WE CANNOT DO THAT. WE SHOULD NOT DO THAT. AND I WOULD LIKE YOU AND THE MORRISONS TO PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE JOSE AND DIHA TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BECAUSE THE THREE OF US ON COUNCIL HAVE BEEN GETTING ATTACKED. AND YOU GUYS WERE SILENT WHEN ALEX WAS GETTING ATTACKED TOO. SO TO THE POINT MADE ABOUT EARLIER, UH, A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE MADE, THERE'S BULLYING THAT GOES ON. MAYOR, WHY YOU DO THAT? THAT'S OUT OF ORDER. IT'S NOT OUT OF ORDER. DIHA, YOU'VE DONE THAT WHEN ED NITO CRITICIZED YOU, YOU WENT OUT OF ORDER. I'M RESPONDING TO THESE COMMENTS HERE. OKAY. WE, I THINK IF WE COULD GET THIS, IN MY OPINION, IF I, OKAY, YEAH, IF I COULD, IT JUST, THAT WOULDN'T BE FROM US. THAT, THAT'S A REQUEST THAT YOU CAN MAKE OF EITHER THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT YOU, THAT I, I'M ASSUMING STILL HAVE THE LEASE OR THE PROPERTY OWNER. YOU CAN REQUEST THAT OF THEM. BUT WE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOWHERE IN OUR PURVIEW, MA'AM. OKAY. AS A REALTOR. THAT'S BETWEEN THE LESSEE AND THE LESSER, WE DON'T HAVE A PARTY TO THAT. RIGHT. IT'S JUST SUCH A BIG PROJECT THAT THEY WANTED TO DO. BUT, BUT THEY CAN'T DO IT. THEY CAN'T. IT'S DEAD. OKAY. I HOPE DEAD IS DEAD. I LIKE DEAD. I MEAN, AND DAD, I LIKE DEAD. JUST BEEN THERE FOR A YEAR. YEAH, IT'S A YEAR AGO. TOMORROW, DECEMBER THE THIRD. IT'S BEEN DEAD SINCE THEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SANDRA. MERRY CHRISTMAS, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. NOW, UH, YOU ALLOWED FOR COMMENTS, OKAY. FROM OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALLOW OTHERS TO SAY A FEW WORDS. UH, CLEARLY THERE'S A ORGANIZED GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS HERE IN SUPPORT OF, UH, THE MAYOR AND, AND MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE. BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS, I DID NOT ORGANIZE IT ALL. NOT BEING FROM HERE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. IT'S VERY TRUMPISH. OH GOD. IT IS NOT BEING FROM HERE. AND THEREFORE YOU DON'T HAVE A SAY IN OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. EVEN THOUGH IT IMPACTS ROADS, IT IMPACTS SCHOOLS, IT IMPACTS EVERYBODY. IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH. COME UP WITH A BETTER ARGUMENT BECAUSE EVERYBODY HERE EITHER HAS A BUSINESS, HAS FAMILY GREW UP HERE, HAS THEIR KIDS HERE, OKAY? IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO SAY YOU'RE NOT FROM HERE BECAUSE CLEARLY EVERYBODY HERE IS, IS HERE FOR A REASON. WORK HERE, HAS A BUSINESS HERE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS GROWN UP HERE, HAS GROWN UP HERE, IS RAISING KIDS HERE, PLEASE. IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH. SO IT, IT, IT REALLY BOTHERS ME. AND THE LAST PART I'LL SAY IS THE IRONY OF ALL THIS, THE, THE AGGRESSORS CONSTANTLY ACTING AS THE VICTIMS NOT FOLLOWING OUR OWN POLICIES, BEING, UH, AGGRESSIVE TOWARDS OUR OWN STAFF, BULLYING THEM ON A CONSTANT BASIS. I'M JUST SAYING, PLEASE, I CHALLENGE YOU ALL TO BE AS OBJECTIVE AS POSSIBLE AND NOT JUST GET INTO OUR OWN LITTLE CLS. THANK YOU. ALSO, PLEASE CONDEMN THE ATTACKS AGAINST OUR CITY MANAGER. WHAT NOW I I'M GONNA MAKE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A QUICK STATEMENT AND THAT IS, THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A DEAL SAYING THAT THE PEOPLE FROM LINCOLN ACRES DO NOT HAVE A VOICE HERE. BECAUSE INDEED WHAT HAPPENS IN NASHVILLE CITY [01:10:01] AFFECTS LINCOLN ACRES. I THINK ANYONE WILL AGREE TO THAT. THE PROBLEM CAME UP IS WHEN THE PEOPLE FROM LINCOLN ACRES IN THIS MEETING AND IN THEIR COMMUNITY MEETING SAID, WE WANT NATIONAL CITY TO KEEP, KEEP, UH, HAVE NO SAY IN, IN LINCOLN ACRES AND NO INVOLVEMENT IN LINCOLN ACRES THERE. WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT HAPPENS IN LINCOLN ACRES AFFECTS US TOO. THAT WAS THE DEAL. IT WAS THE HYPOCRISY OF SAYING IT ONLY GOES ONE DIRECTION. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME UP. IT NEVER, NO ONE EVER SAID THAT ANYONE, SAN DIEGO, I DON'T CARE, CLAREMONT OR ANYWHERE, DOES NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO COME HERE AND SPEAK. ANYONE DOES. BUT DON'T SAY THAT. IT DOESN'T GO BOTH WAYS THEN. AND YOU KNOW THAT, THAT ONE, ONE COMMUNITY AFFECTS THE OTHER, BUT THIS COMMUNITY DOES NOT AFFECT THAT ONE. IT GOES BOTH DIRECTIONS. THAT I THINK WAS THE CONCERN ON THAT ONE. SO THERE'S NO, UH, SO TO WEAPONIZE ALL THIS STUFF AND DO ALL THAT KINDA STUFF IS JUST TOTALLY RIDICULOUS. UM, SO WITH THAT, WE WILL GO ON TO E EMPLOYEE, UM, UH, RECOGNITIONS OF NEW EMPLOYEES. AND SO HIT THIS OVER TO YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE, UM, OF THE CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS LUCAS ELLO. I AM, I SERVE AS A PRINCIPAL, UH, CIVIL ENGINEER AT ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENT. I'M HERE TO INTRODUCE A NEW EMPLOYEE. HE IS, UH, UH, JOSEPH FERDO AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE A BRIEF BIOGRAPHY OF HIM. UH, JOSEPH, UM, JOINED THE NATIONAL CITY PUBLIC WORKS PARKS DIVISION ON NOVEMBER 11TH AND HAS ALREADY SHOWN HI, UH, HIMSELF TO BE A GOOD TEAM MEMBER WITH A GREAT ATTITUDE. SAW IT WORK ETHIC, A POSITIVE VIBE THAT FIT RIDING, UH, WITH OUR CREW. JOSEPH COMES TO US FROM BEHA CASINO WHERE HE WORKED FOR SEVERAL YEARS AS THE GROUND PERSON. BEFORE THAT, HE SERVED AS THE CREW LEADER WITH THE CALIFORNIA CON, UH, CONSERVATION CORPS, GAINING VALUABLE, UH, LEADERSHIP AND FIELD EXPERIENCE. ONE OF THE JOSEPH'S PROFESSIONAL GOALS, UM, IS TO OBTAIN THE COMMERCIAL CLASS B LICENSE, WHICH IS, UH, EXPECTED, UM, HIM THAT WILL EXPAND HIS EQUIPMENT OPERATION SKILL SET AND PROVIDE FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CAREER ADVANCEMENT IN HIS FREE TIME. JOSEPH ENJOY BIKE RIDING AND THEY HAVE BIG FAN OF OR WATCHING SPORTS. PLEASE, UM, HELP US TO GIVE A WARM WELCOMING TO JOSEPH, UH, FOR HARDO. AS THE NEWEST MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL CITY FAMILY, WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD. THANK YOU. OKAY, UH, NEXT WE HAVE WITH, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL, STAFF, PUBLIC, UH, IN SOME HAPPY AIR NEWS. SHE'S HIDING BEHIND YOU. OKAY. SO I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO ONE OF OUR HAPPIEST EMPLOYEES. SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UH, SORRY. MARTIN READER, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY NEWEST FULL-TIME CODE CONFORMANCE OFFICER, ALTHOUGH SHE'S BEEN HERE FOR A YEAR AS PART-TIME, MARILYN VIBA. MARILYN IS A PROUD NATIONAL CITY RESIDENT WHO GREW UP IN THE COMMUNITY AND ATTENDED JOHN A OTIS ELEMENTARY, NATIONAL CITY MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL. I WENT TO BONITA IN 2013. MARILYN WAS CROWNED MISSION NATIONAL CITY. MARILYN WENT ON TO EARN A BA IN CRIMINOLOGY AND JUSTICE STUDIES FROM CAL POLY HUMBOLDT IN 2018. AND AFTER GRADUATION, RETURNED HOME TO SERVE HER COMMUNITY THROUGH THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT BEFORE TRANSITIONING TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. SHE IMMEDIATELY MADE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE DEPARTMENT WITH HER EXCEPTIONALLY POSITIVE ATTITUDE, TRUE STORY, COLLABORATIVE SPIRIT, AND CONSTANT WILLINGNESS TO LEND A HELPING HAND. SHE'S NOW CONTINUING HER EDUCATION AND WORKING TOWARDS A MASTER'S OF PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION TO FURTHER SUPPORT AND STRENGTHEN THE CITY. SHE CALLS HOME MARILYN BIBA. SO FINALLY THIS HAPPENED. WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR IT FOR A WHILE, AND I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS MOMENT FOR A WHILE AND IT PLAYED DIFFERENTLY IN MY HEAD EACH TIME. UM, BUT I'LL JUST SAY THAT IT ABSOLUTELY IS VERY SPECIAL AND ENDEARING TO ME TO COME HOME. THAT HAD BEEN A DREAM OF MINE SINCE I HAD GRADUATED. SO BEING FULL-TIME IS WONDERFULLY EXCEPTIONAL, NOT JUST, UM, BECAUSE I HAVE ALSO DEVELOPED A RELATIONSHIP WITH EVERYONE SITTING UP HERE AND ALSO A LOT OF THE MEMBERS THAT ARE SITTING IN THE DESKS BEHIND ME. I AM A PROUD PRODUCT OF THIS COMMUNITY, AND NOT JUST TO YOU ALL, BUT TO OUR RESIDENTS. I WILL ABSOLUTELY DO MY PART IN MAKING YOU PROUD, BUT GIMME SOME GRACE. ALLOW HUMAN ERROR. , THANK YOU. YOU, YOU FORGOT TO GIVE YOUR, YOUR NICKNAME. WELL, TO YOU. I'M TROUBLEMAKER TO EVERYONE ELSE. THAT'S, THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE. THAT'S IT. [01:15:01] . THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND, UH, WHILE I'M UP HERE, I'LL INTRODUCE OUR OTHER EMPLOYEE, FRANK CENA, WHO YOU SEE ON THE THIRD PICTURE FROM THE BOTTOM. UH, FRANK JOINS US AS A FULL-TIME PERMIT TECHNICIAN AFTER WORKING ALONGSIDE OUR TEAM AS A CONTRACTED EMPLOYEE. HE WORKED FOR ESCO FOR A WHILE. I, AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS. UH, HE GREW UP IN SAN YSIDRO AND HERE IN SOUTH BAY AND ATTENDED UNIVERSITY HIGH SCHOOL. AND HIS EXPERIENCE WORKING HERE IN THE CITY AS WELL AS TIME SPENT WITH THE CITY OF SANTEE AND THE CITY OF LEMON GROVE. GIVEN THE FOUNDATIONAL KNOWLEDGE TO BENEFIT THE BUILDING DIVISION, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, AND OF COURSE THE CITY FRANK'S CAN-DO ATTITUDE AND EAGERNESS TO ASSIST OUR, OUR CITIZENS IS EXACTLY WHAT NATIONAL CITY NEEDS. AND HE IS WITHOUT DOUBT, A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR STAFF AND NOBODY REALLY NOTICES HIM. 'CAUSE HE IS ALWAYS IN THE CORNER. BUT IF YOU EVER GO IN TO SEE WHERE THE PLANS ARE STORED, THEY'RE IMMACULATELY STORED. HE'S DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB WORKING FOR US. HE DOESN'T EVER LOOK FOR ANY RECOGNITION, BUT HE'S DEFINITELY, UH, INTEGRAL PART OF OUR STAFF AND I'M PROUD TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD. SO THAT'S FRANK. GOOD. ALRIGHT. WE HAVE, WE ALSO, IF YOU'LL NOTICE UP THERE, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, MICHAEL PACHECO, BUT HE WAS INTRODUCED ACTUALLY AT THE LAST MEETING, . SO, UH, YOU, I'M SORRY. YOU, YOU ONLY GET ONE SHOT, YOU KNOW. OKAY. WE'RE NOT, NOT DO THAT ONE AGAIN. . ALRIGHT. YES. I I JUST WANTED TO WELCOME ALL THE NEW EMPLOYEES. SO, UH, MI MICHAEL, UH, FRANCISCO JOSEPH. REALLY EXCITED FOR, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW YOU GUYS PERSONALLY, BUT JUST WELCOME. REALLY EXCITED FOR YOU GUYS TO WORK WITH US. AND I HOPE YOU, UM, STAY WITH US AND GROW IN THIS ORGANIZATION. WE DEFINITELY NEED THE HELP. UM, BUT I DO, JUST BECAUSE I KNOW HER, I DO WANNA GIVE A SPECIAL SHOUT OUT TO MARLENE ALBA. AND I MET, UM, UH, MARILYN ACTUALLY THROUGH, UH, MARTHA JUAREZ WHEN MARTHA WAS ON THE SHAI FOUNDATION. AND SO, UH, JUST REALLY SO EXCITED FOR YOU TO JOIN US FULL-TIME. YOU ALSO SERVED AS, UM, AS ES AS HIS COUNCIL MEMBER. YOANIS A REP FOR A WHILE. AND YOU HAVE SO MUCH EXPOSURE TO ORGANIZATION. I'M CALLING IT, I SEE SO MUCH TALENT IN YOU. I SEE YOU AS FUTURE CITY MANAGER ONE DAY, UH, DOWN IN THE FUTURE. AND I THINK IT'S THE VALUE OF ALSO INVESTING IN LOCAL AND INVESTING IN RECRUITING OUR YOUTH FROM SWEETWATER AND GETTING THEM ENGAGED. WE DON'T WANT TO BE EXCLUSIVE, RIGHT? WE, SO WE STILL WELCOME PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE, BUT I THINK WE JUST NEED TO REALLY CONCENTRATE SOME OF OUR RESOURCES AND THE PEOPLE HERE THAT HAVE THE TALENT, THAT HAVE THE EXPOSURE, THE EXPERIENCE WITH OUR LOCAL PEOPLE, AND HOW DOES, AND THAT WILLINGNESS AND COMMITMENT TO SERVE TOO. AND I DO WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO STAFF, TO, TO DANNY, TO, TO MARTHA, OUR, OUR ACTING CITY MANAGER FOR, UH, DOING THE, UH, SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL, UH, JOB FAIR LA LAST, UH, COUPLE WEEKS AGO. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES. AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN YEARS, SO I JUST, THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TALENT, UH, TO, TO FIND. AND I JUST REALLY WANT TO COMMEND STAFF FOR DOING THESE INTROS AND, UH, FOR, AND WANNA WELCOME YOU ALL. THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT, WE GOT FLIPPED BACK OVER HERE. JUST ONE MOMENT. WE NEXT [7.2 Civil Service Commission - Annual Report] GO TO, UH, THE ANNUAL REPORT FROM OUR CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. HERE. WE, THERE HE IS. THEY ARE. GOT TWO OF BACK UP. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. MAYOR MORRISON, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T MET, THIS IS WELLINGTON KLOVE, SAY HELLO TO HIM. SUE HARD, SUE HARD. UM, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE WELLINGTON ON AS, AS A NEW CIVIL SERVICE, UH, MEMBER. UH, WE ALSO JUST BROUGHT ON A ROBERT WARNER FROM THE SWEETWATER ZEN CENTER. UM, AND SO THERE'S BEEN A BIT OF, OF TURNOVER, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST YEAR WE LOST, UM, UM, OH MAN, HOW AM I BLANKING ON THAT? UM, COURTNEY. COURTNEY, YES. RAFAEL COURTNEY. OH MY GOSH. HE SERVED ON THE, ON THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION FOR A DECADE OR SO. AND, AND HE, UH, AND HE STEPPED DOWN. UM, BUT IT WAS REALLY A PLEASURE WORKING WITH HIM. SO WE'LL, WE'LL MISS HIM A GREAT DEAL. SO WE'RE AGAIN DELIVERING THE, THE CIVIL SERVICE ANNUAL REPORT. SO WE CAN GET INTO THAT REALLY QUICK. IT'LL BE BRIEF. NEXT SLIDE. ALRIGHT. SO OUR COMMISSION, UM, HAS THE REGULAR MEETINGS, UM, EVERY OTHER MONTH, SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH AT FIVE 30. AND BY THE WAY, IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING AND, AND NOBODY FROM THE PUBLIC GOES TO THEM. SO YOU CAN, I'M SAYING YOU CAN COME BY AND, AND GIVE US SOME COMPANY. 'CAUSE UM, JOAN, JOAN SHOWED UP ONCE IN THE SIX YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS. OH. SO PUBLIC COME HANG OUT WITH US, IT'D BE COOL. UM, SO BETWEEN, UH, JULY OF, OF 24 AND SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR, WE HAD FOUR REGULAR MEETINGS, UH, JULY, MARCH, UH, MAY AND SEPTEMBER. AND THEN WE HAD A FEW SPECIAL MEETINGS HELD, UM, OCTOBER OF 24. A COUPLE OF THOSE, AND ALSO A COUPLE IN MAY. ONE WAS CANCELED, UM, BECAUSE OF NO AGENDA. UH, NEXT SLIDE. [01:20:02] UH, SO DURING THAT CALENDAR YEAR, WE HAD, UH, 10 NEW CLASSIFICATIONS CREATED, UM, APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION, 18 CLASSIFICATIONS REVISED, AND THEN FIVE RECLASSIFICATIONS. UM, ALL OF THOSE ITEMS APPROVED. AND WE DID HAVE ONE, UH, EMPLOYEE DISCIPLINARY HEARING, UM, THAT WAS BRIEF, UH, THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD, OR, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DETAILS ON THE RESOLUTION OF THAT, BUT WE DID HAVE THAT HEARING, UM, A BRIEF ONE. UH, AND CURRENTLY, OF COURSE, I'M THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION AND VICE-CHAIR SAMSEL IS NOT WITH US TONIGHT. UM, BUT WE'VE GOT WELLINGTON, AND AGAIN, MR. WERNER, UH, A PRETTY STRONG LITTLE GROUP. UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ADDING, UH, ANOTHER, UH, PERSON HERE PRETTY QUICKLY SO WE CAN BECOME FULL AGAIN. UM, YEAH, SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REPORT. UM, CERTAINLY I CAN TAKE QUESTIONS IF YOU LIKE. I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF OF THINGS JUST TO, TO, TO TALK ABOUT FROM THE BYLAWS QUICKLY, JUST AS OBSERVATIONS, BUT OKAY. NOTHING CRAZY, MAN. I DON'T WANNA SMASH THE MEETING UP AND MAKE IT LONGER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE. BUT QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY ABOUT ANYTHING? ANYTHING FROM ANYONE. OKAY. I, I DO. SO, UM, SO THANK YOU PAUL. AND I ACTUALLY, THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION WAS THE FIRST COMMISSION, UH, I, I SERVED IN SO, UH, FAMILIAR AND, AND APPRECIATE THE ROLE. UM, JUST KIND OF MY OPINION. AND NOW THAT WE HAVE A NEW HR DIRECTOR AND SHE'S DONE PHENOMENAL WORK ALREADY, SO REALLY SHOUT OUT TO, UH, ALICIA HICKS. UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK, AND THIS IS, UM, KIND OF A CRITIQUE OF ALL OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, I JUST FEEL THAT WE DON'T GIVE ENOUGH TRAINING TO YOU ALL. I DON'T, I FEEL LIKE, UM, THAT THERE ISN'T ENOUGH, UM, PROACTIVE KIND OF LEADERSHIP ON YOUR GUYS' PART, BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE BECAUSE WE, AND SOMETIMES OUR CITY STAFF MIGHT BOX YOU IN TOO MUCH OR WE MIGHT BOX YOU IN TOO MUCH. BECAUSE I THINK THAT, UM, LOOKING AT YOUR, UM, AT THE BYLAWS OF JUST THE ROLE, I THINK YOU COULD PLAY A LARGER ROLE IN THE, IN THE CITY. AND I DON'T KNOW, UM, EXACTLY HOW, BUT I, I JUST MENTIONED ABOUT HIRING, FOR EXAMPLE, AND MAKING SURE THAT LIKE WE, MAYBE I, WE DON'T HAVE ANY HIRING GOALS OF LOCAL, BUT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL COULD LOOK LIKE. MAYBE IT'S ADDING POINTS TO, UH, LOCAL CANDIDATES. LIKE I, SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, KNOW, KNOW, EXACTLY, AND ALICIA JUST STARTED. SO I DON'T WANNA OVERWHELM, UH, HER, UH, HER STAFF EITHER, UM, WITH, UH, NEW PROPOSALS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, BRINGING ON A NEW, UH, CITY MANAGER. BUT, UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU ALL DO, AND I THINK MAYBE THERE COULD BE SOME NEW, NEW, UM, SOME MORE, YOU KNOW, TRAINING OR ASSISTANCE WITH YOU ALL. AND THAT'S NOT JUST A CRITIQUE OF THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL OUR BOARDS OF COMMITTEES AND INCLUDING PLANNING PARKS, TRAFFIC, CPRC, ET CETERA. YEAH. OKAY. GREAT. ANYTHING ELSE? I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. YEAH. I MEAN, THE, OF THE BYLAWS AND HAVEN'T BEEN AMENDED SINCE 2018, AND TO YOUR POINT, UH, ON THE SECOND PAGE, ONE OF THE ITEMS IS THAT THE, ONE OF THE ROLES IS TO CONDUCT AND SCORE EXAMINATIONS AND CERTIFY TO THE APPOINTING POWER LIST OF PERSONS ELIGIBLE FOR APPOINTMENT IN APPROPRIATE CLASS. SO THAT, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR ITEM MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN A NON-EXISTENT ROLE FOR US, BUT IT'S ONE OF THE ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UM, IN THE DUTIES. UM, AND THEN I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR A POINT THAT I'VE MADE BEFORE, BUT NUMBER ONE IS THAT WE ARE THE ADVISOR BODY, UH, TO THE COUNCIL AND HUMAN RESOURCES, UH, TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ANY MATTER OF PERSONNEL ADMINISTRATION. UM, AND, AND MY ISSUE WITH THAT IS JUST WE'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED BOXING BY STAFF AND, AND I, THAT'S NOT EXPLICIT, BUT CERTAINLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS GIVEN A BINDER SIX YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER, AND THEY'RE LIKE, HERE'S THE BINDER, AND THEN YOU GO TO THE MEETING, YOU KNOW? UM, AND THAT'S HOW IT WAS WITH ME TOO. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S A, IT IS WHAT IT IS, BUT, UM, AS, AS I'VE GOTTEN TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, I, I FEEL MORE EMPOWERED TO, TO VOICE MY OPPOSITION TO THE PROCESS IN GENERAL. UH, SO MUCH SO THAT THE LAST HR DIRECTOR WAS GONNA PULL THE CLASSIFICATION APPROVAL ROLE FROM US, BECAUSE I FOUND IT TO JUST BE A WASTE OF TIME. LIKE IT'S, YOU'RE ASKING US TO ADVISE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO THE WORK TO MAKE A, AN INFORMED ADVISEMENT. UM, AND SO IT ALWAYS JUST COMES, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IS, RIGHT? IT ALWAYS COMES, HEY, HERE'S THE CLA, HERE'S THE JOB DESCRIPTION. IT'S BEAUTIFUL, WE DID THIS AND, AND HEY, YOU KNOW, IT FITS IN THE BUDGET AND WE NEED THIS. IT'S A NECESSITY. IT'S ALWAYS A NECESSITY. IT ALWAYS FITS IN THE BUDGET. AND SO WHAT DO YOU NEED US FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE , SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I WILL SAY THE PREVIOUS, UH, H HR DIRECTOR DID ALSO, ONE OF, UH, THEIR CRITIQUES, WHICH WAS FAIR, WAS THAT I THINK THERE WERE COMMENTS FROM [01:25:01] THE, UM, AND INTERACTIONS FROM THE, UM, COMMISSIONERS, UM, THAT WERE OUT OF LINE OR INAPPROPRIATE JUST NOT FOLLOWING THROUGH. AND I DO THINK THAT'S TRUE, BUT I THINK THAT'S A RESULT OF NOT ENOUGH TRAINING AND JUST KIND OF GOING OVER WHAT YOUR GUYS' ROLES ARE. AND SO WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE MOVING FORWARD IS YOU, THAT YOU ALL PROACTIVELY TAKE LEADERSHIP AND LOOK AT THE BYLAWS AND COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS ON YOUR OWN THAT WAY TO SAVE LIKE SOME OF OUR STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES, AND THEN IT COULD START, UH, A DISCUSSION. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S FAIR. AND, AND I ALSO THINK THAT MAYBE IF, IF WE NEED TO GET THAT TIME TO DO IT, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE, AGAIN, WE GOT MR. WARNER WELLINGTON'S AMAZING. YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE BECOME FULL AND WE CAN DO THE WORK, THERE IS AN ITEM HERE THAT SAYS THE COUNCIL, THAT'S Y'ALL, UH, CAN GIVE US A STIPEND, UH, WHEN, WHEN DEEMED APPROPRIATE, WHEN DEEMED APPROPRIATE. AND THAT IS ALL IT SAYS. DOES IT ACTUALLY SAY THAT? IT DOES. RIGHT HERE IT SAYS THE COMMISSION MEMBERS SHALL SERVE WITHOUT COMPENSATION BOO. EXCEPT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MAY FROM TIME TO TIME, HEY, I CAN READ THE REST OF IT. BUT SUCH EXPENSES OR ANY, ANY CASE, ANYTHING INCURRED DURING THE CONDUCT OF THE COMMISSION MM-HMM . UM, AS DEEMED APPROPRIATE. SO, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE HAD REALLY LONG, UM, HEARINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT WENT, UH, YOU KNOW, INTO LATE IN THE EVENING. I MEAN, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN APPROPRIATE TIME, UM, TO BE COMPENSATED EVEN, EVEN SLIGHTLY. BUT CERTAINLY IT WOULD MAKE SENSE IF WE WERE TO NOT, NOT JUST WITHOUT ANY KIND OF COLLABORATION WITH STAFF OR, OR COUNCIL, BUT TO HAVE A STRUCTURED PLANNING SESSION TO TRY AND BROADEN AND, AND MAKE USE OF THE COMMISSION IN A REAL WAY, IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. COOL. COOL. OKAY. WELL, DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING GOOD NIGHT. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MAYOR. REAL QUICK, IF I CAN MAKE A COMMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, WELLINGTON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR ROBOWSKI FOR THIS REPORT. UM, THE POINTS THAT YOU'VE MADE ARE VERY, UM, INTERESTING TO ME AND I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON, ON SOME OF THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AWESOME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, NEXT WE GET TO, [8. REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS (Limited to Five (5) Minutes each)] UH, REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS FROM THE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'LL START DOWN HERE ON MY LEFT. NOTHING TO REPORT. WE HAVE AN MTS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING THIS THURSDAY. OKAY. NO REPORT FOR SWEETWATER AUTHORITY. UM, NO REPORT ON SAN DIEGO COMMUNITY POWER SAN DIEGO COUNTY AUTHORITY. WE HAD, UH, THE BOARD ADOPTED THE RESOLUTION, UM, TO STAB ESTABLISHING THE VOTE AND REPRESENTATIVE ENTITLEMENTS OF EACH MEMBER AGENCY EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST, 2026. AND THAT'S THE END OF MY REPORT, MAYOR. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DO HAVE A REPORT FOR SANDAG SANDAG JUST APPOINTED A NEW, UM, UH, ATTORNEY. I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE NAME. I'M TEDDY LONG, IS HIS NAME. UM, I ALWAYS END UP WRITING MY NOTES AND THEN I NEVER CAN FIND THEM IN TIME FOR, TO REPORT OUT. BUT, UM, WE HAVE A NEW, UM, ATTORNEY THAT REPRESENTS SANDAG, UM, UH, AND HIS NAME IS TEDDY LONG. THANK YOU. YES. FOR, UH, MTS WE HAD A A, A BIG DISCUSSION. THE, THE LAST WEEK ON BUDGET, UH, WE ARE NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD OR VERY LIKELY WILL NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH A SALES TAX INITIATIVE THAT WAS DISCUSSED TO FUND TRANSIT. AND SO WE, I THINK WE MISSED THE BOAT THERE. I DO HEAR THERE'S OTHER GROUPS LIKE THE COUNTY THAT ARE LOOKING AT A 1 CENT, UH, SALES TAX MEASURE, SAN DIEGO. OH, OKAY. AND THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO. UM, WHICH YEAH. DOESN'T AFFECT US. GOOD LUCK. YEAH. UM, SO, BUT THAT DOES IMPACT THE CHANCES OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS PASSING. SO, UM, SO THERE'S THAT. I HAVE AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT, UH, NEXT WEEK. AND ONE OF THE, I, UH, BIG ITEMS THERE IS A MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE AB 617 FUNDS IN THE INTEREST ACCOUNT. UH, THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND AP CD'S ROLE ON THE, UH, AIR FILTER DISTRIBUTION PROGRAM. I WILL SAY THAT THAT WAS A RESPONSE, AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO THE TJ SEWAGE RIVER CRISIS. I'LL SAY THIS IN A WAY, IT DID NEGATIVELY IMPACT NATIONAL CITY. AND WE AT A PCD HAD TO SHIFT RESOURCES FROM WHAT WAS CALLED THE P PROGRAM, WHICH WAS DISTRIBUTION OF FILTERS, UH, ESPECIALLY ON OT AND C IN THE WEST SIDE. UM, AND THAT GOT DELAYED AND, AND THE, UM, AIR MONITORS GOT DELAYED. AND A LOT OF IT I FOUND OUT RECENTLY WAS A RESULT OF STAFF SHIFTING SO MANY OF OUR RESOURCES AT A PCD TO THE TJ SEWAGE RIVER CRISIS. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO PLAY, UM, LIKE GEOGRAPHICAL, YOU KNOW, POLITICS, WE WANNA HELP IB AND SOUTH SAN DIEGO OUT. BUT NOW THAT THE AIR QUALITY HAS IMPROVED, WE HAVE THE FILTERS. UH, I AM GONNA [01:30:01] BE PUSHING THAT, THAT NOT ALL OF THE $1 MILLION BE ALLOTTED, UH, JUST FOR THE TJ SEWAGE RIVER. I'M GONNA PUSH THAT, THAT GO TO RESTORATION OF THE PARA PROGRAM IN OUR WEST SIDE. OTNC. NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT POLLUTION. SO I'M HOPING THAT WON'T BE TOO CONTENTIOUS, BUT I DO, I DO HAVE THAT. AND THE OTHER COMMENT I'LL SAY, UH, TO, UM, OUR, OUR SANDAG REPRESENTATIVE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA, UM, I'LL, I, I FORGOT TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ABOUT THIS SO I'LL FOLLOW UP. BUT I AM CONCERNED THAT ON THIS SANDAG THERE'S BEEN, UM, A BIKE, THERE'S A BIKEWAY, UH, PROJECT, UH, THAT IS, UH, GOING CONNECTING BAYSHORE BIKEWAY TO SOUTHEAST SAN DIEGO. IT RUNS THROUGH NATIONAL CITY. SO THAT'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF FUNDING. I THINK WE'VE DONE SOME DESIGN ENGINEERING WORK. I KNOW STEVE, UH, MAGELLA, AND I'M NOT SURE IF, UH, MARTHA HAS, HAS WORKED ON THIS PROJECT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEING PULLED OR CANCELED. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. SO IF YOU COULD, UH, TAKE AN A LOOK AT THAT WITH SAND DECK STAFF, AND WE CAN BE OFFLINE. BUT I JUST WANNA SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT FUNDING, UH, BEING PULLED BY SANDECK STAFF. SO, AND THAT'S MY REPORT, REPORT FROM MY COMMITTEES. UM, I DID, I'M SORRY. OUR SLIPS ARE OVERFLOWING AND THEY'RE FLOWING OVER TOP OF EACH OTHER. SO I DID MISS ON OUR, UM, CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION REPORT. THERE WERE TWO SPEAKERS ON THAT. AND SO, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, UH, MPV AND SANDRA, GOOD EVENING AGAIN, I'M SORRY TO, UH, BE AN OUTSIDER. I WASN'T AN OUTSIDER WHEN YOU, UH, WERE CAMPAIGNING FOR ALL THE DAY OF THE DEAD EVENTS AND MEMORIAL DAYS, RON AND MARCUS. YEAH. I WASN'T AN OUT OUTSIDER WHEN YOU NEEDED MONEY FOR YOUR CAMPAIGN. OKAY. DID THIS GUY ANYTHING TO DO WITH CIVIL SERVICE? UH, MARCUS YES. THEN SPEAK, SPEAK TO THAT. AS FAR AS THE CIVIL, UH, SERVICE COMMISSION, CHAIRMAN OF THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION, PAUL WAKI THAT JUST SPOKE, ASKED THE MORRISON GOON SQUAD MEMBER, UH, IF YOU CAN BELIEVE IT, HE'S A SWEETWATER SCHOOL TEACHER WHO POSTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA COMMENTS SUCH AS STUPID AS S**T. THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS THAT ARE BEING, UH, SPOKEN BY MR. PAUL WADOWSKI. WHAT AN EXAMPLE TO OUR CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY. WHAT TRAINING HAS HE RECEIVED ON SOCIAL MEDIA? WHAT TRAININGS HAS HE RECEIVED ON CODE OF ETHICS FOR YOUR POLICY? 1 0 7. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S THE TRAINING THAT HE NEEDS. MARCUS, YOU JUST TOLD HIM HE NEEDS MORE TRAINING. WELL, THAT WOULD BE TRAINING 1 0 1 FOR MR. PAUL WOLSKI, BECAUSE HE REALLY NEEDS IT. WHAT IS THIS? SC BALLS. WHAT KIND OF TERMINOLOGY FROM A CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSIONER IS THAT? OUTSIDERS. WE PAY PROPERTY TAXES, OUTSIDERS, WE PAY SALES TAX OUTSIDERS. WE SERVICE MOST OF OUR, UH, CUSTOMERS AND FAMILIES OF LA VISTA ARE FROM NATIONAL CITY IS OLDER THAN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 157 YEARS SERVING OUR COMMUNITY. WE'RE NOT OUTSIDERS. YOU MAY WANT US TO BE, BUT WE'RE NOT. TALK ABOUT CIVIL SERVICE. THANK YOU. UH, HE'S NOT FIT TO BE A TEACHER AND HE'S NOT FIT TO BE ON THAT CIVIL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BOARD. UH, SANDRA, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH WHAT MIKA JUST SAID, AND YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WHEN YOU SAID THAT HE NEEDS TRAINING. ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO IS IN SCHOOLS AND THEN TO BE ABLE TO READ THINGS. I DON'T KNOW IF HIS STUDENTS ARE READING THINGS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID. SOME SERIOUSLY STUPID ASS S**T. THAT IS WRONG. THAT'S NOT A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN HERE. YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. FINALLY, YOU AND I CAN GRIEVE 100%. HE NEEDS TO REPRESENT HIMSELF, HAVE THE BETTER CODE OF ETHICS, A SOCIAL MEDIA TRAINING, EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, AND THE OATH OF OFFICE THAT HE TOOK. OKAY. WHEN HE TOOK THAT OATH OF OFFICE, HE REPRESENTED WHAT WAS TO BE DONE. AND THIS IS JUST WRONG. LAST QUESTION. NOW YOU DON'T, PLEASE DON'T ANSWER, BUT I'M GONNA ASK IT ANYWAY. IF YOUR CHILD HAD THIS FOR A TEACHER, WOULD YOU REACT? BECAUSE THIS IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG. AND IF IT'S NOT GONNA HANDLE GET HERE, IT'S GONNA GET HANDLED WITH THE SWEETWATER SCHOOL DISTRICT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. [01:35:01] LET ME REMIND PEOPLE WHEN WE ARE ON A SUBJECT THAT WE STAGE WITH A SUBJECT THAT'S NOT INTO PERSONALITY ATTACKS. IN THIS CASE, IT WAS ABOUT CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. NOW, THEN I, MR. MAYOR? YES, I, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS ISSUES WITH MR. WADOWSKI, EVEN IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I WOULD LIKE HIM AND THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE TO REVISIT POLICY 1 0 7 AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ADEQUATE TRAINING SO THAT THERE'S NO EXCUSES HIMSELF AND A COMMUNITY MEMBER HERE WENT TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING ALONG WITH MARCUS BUSH, GOT INTO ALMOST A FIST FIGHT, AN ALTERCATION. COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS THING TO DO. AND SO I DO THINK THAT IS NOT A WAY TO ACT IN PUBLIC. AND SO I, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REPRESENTING OUR CITY TO DO SO IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER AND NOT BE GETTING IN FIST FIGHTS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN BEING TEACHERS OF THE YEAR FOR THE CITY, FOR, FOR THE SWEETWATER SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE US TO RECONSIDER THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT POLICY 1 0 7 AND THEY HAVE AN ADEQUATE TRAINING. THANK YOU. ANYONE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I AGREE WITH THE TRAINING. I'LL SAY THIS, THAT, UM, THE IMPLICATING ME IN A DISPUTE ABOUT AN ENDORSEMENT THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. SO STOP IMPLICATING OTHER PEOPLE. JOSE, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PAUL AND HIM, UH, ATTENDING THAT MEETING. SO THAT, FIRST OF ALL, SECOND OF ALL, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ISSUES WITH PAUL, I HEARD NOTHING ABOUT HIS ACTUAL CONDUCT OF CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. THE SAME WAY YOU GUYS HAVE A RIGHT TO COME UP HERE AND USE YOUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH RIGHTS AND CRITICIZE US OR EVEN TELL LIES. HE HAS THOSE SAME RIGHTS, EVEN THOUGH HE'S A TEACHER. SO WE DON'T KNOW THE CONTEXT OF WHAT HE SAID. I'VE NEVER HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT HIM AS, UH, PERFORMING HIS JOB AS A CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSIONER. I KNOW THAT HE'S A GREAT TEACHER. HE'S BEEN NOMINATED. I'VE TALKED TO, UH, HIS STUDENTS. MY NIECE WAS A STUDENT OF HIS. SHE LOVED HIM. SO THOSE THAT ARE ACTUALLY FROM NATIONAL CITY WHO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH PAUL, KNOW HIS HEART KNOWS HIS HARD WORK. I AGREE THE TRAINING IS NEEDED FOR EVERYONE, BUT PLEASE, LET'S NOT BE HIP HYPOCRITICAL HERE AND DON'T CRITICIZE HIM FOR THE SAME TYPE OF BEHAVIOR YOU GUYS ARE DOING. OKAY. UH, ED RANO, COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ BROUGHT UP THAT INCIDENT. PAUL AND I WERE AT A NATIONAL CITY DEMOCRATIC CLUB. THE INCIDENT WAS AS IT RELATES TO THE CITY. YEAH. I'M SORRY. IS THIS YEAH, THIS IS OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. I TELL YOU WHAT, I'M GONNA TAKE THE, I WROTE, BUT HE THREW CIVIL SERVICE, BUT HE, HE THREW IT OUT FIRST. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YES. ALRIGHT. UM, NEXT WE [9.1 Appointments: City Boards, Commissions, and Committees – Mayoral Appointment to the Board of Library Trustees and the Traffic Safety Committee.] GET INTO APPOINTMENTS. UM, FIRST ONE IS APPOINTMENTS OF, UH, CITY BOARDS COMMITTEES. THESE ARE, UH, MERRILL APPOINTMENTS. AND WE HAVE, UH, 9.1. WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE POSITION FOR THE, UH, BOARD OF LIBRARY TRUSTEES. AND I'D LIKE TO, UH, NOMINATE RICARDO, UH, CARONA. AND WE HAVE ONE POSITION, UH, PER TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. AND I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, LINCOLN HENDERSON. SECOND, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO I GUESS I SHOULD BE PUTTING IN MY MOTION HERE AS THAT IS A MOTION FOR ME THEN. AND GET THAT THERE A SECOND. RIGHT. AGAIN, UH, DEFENSE. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND DOES RAM MAYOR ANY OF THE APPLICANTS HERE BY ANY CHANCE? UM, I DON'T, NO, I DON'T SEE EITHER ONE OF 'EM HERE AT THE MOMENT. OKAY. BUT THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE 'CAUSE I SAY THOSE, THOSE, JUST CURIOUS. THOSE WERE INTERVIEWED FROM OUT, UH, UH, OUTSIDE WHEN WE COME TO THE COUNCIL ONES, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE INTERVIEWED IN, IN DURING COUNCIL? YEAH. NO, JUST CURIOUS IF THEY WERE HERE. OKAY. GIVING THEM A CHANCE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, WITH THAT, UH, LIGHT COME UP THERE, UH, PLEASE VOTE, I THINK. YEAH, THERE IT'S MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. NEXT [9.2 Appointments: City Boards, Commissions, and Committees – City Council Interview and Appointment for the Civil Service Commission.] WE GO TO THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL INTERVIEW AND APPOINTMENT FOR CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. AND WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE ONE POSITION THAT IS OPEN, UH, THROUGH, UH, 2030. AND, UH, WE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL WHO ACTUALLY APPLIED FOR SOMETHING ELSE BUT SAID THEY WERE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER THINGS. SO, UM, DID NOT APPLY SPECIFICALLY FOR CIVIL SERVICE. BUT IS, UH, DAVID, UH, MAGANA? IS HE HERE? DAVID? HE IS, UH, VIA ZOOM. HUH? I'M SORRY? HE IS VIA ZOOM. ZOOM. HE'S ON ZOOM. OH, HE'S ON ZOOM. HE'S ON ZOOM. OKAY. MM-HMM . OKAY. IF WE COULD BRING HIM UP THEN. OKAY. GO AHEAD, DAVID. HELLO. I DON'T KNOW IF MY, [01:40:01] UH, VIDEO IS SHOWING RIGHT NOW, SO. NO, IT DOES NOT. IT'S, IT'S NOT. OKAY. WELL, LET'S SEE. THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO GET THE VIDEO GOING TOO. OR MAYBE I HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM IT, BUT I MEAN, YOU CAN HEAR ME, SO YES. YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU VERY CAREFUL. OH, YEAH. OKAY. SO, UH, DAVID, GO AHEAD AND TALK SOMETHING ABOUT YOURSELF AND, UH, ALSO THEN, UH, LET US KNOW WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO, UH, HOW YOU FEEL THAT YOU'RE QUALIFIED AND HOW YOU WOULD, UH, FIT WITHIN THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. UH, SO OBVIOUSLY I ORIGINALLY APPLIED FOR, UH, PARKS, RECREATIONS, AND SENIOR COMMITTEE. UH, AND THEN I WAS, UH, EMAILED AGAIN ABOUT THIS POSITION BEING AVAILABLE. UM, I HAVE EXPERIENCE THROUGH THIS AS FAR AS WORKING IN THE, IN THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY WORLD AND THE HUMAN RESOURCE COMMUNITY. I HAVE A, A DEGREE IN HUMAN RESOURCES. UH, SO WHEN I SAW THIS, I DECIDED IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I DECIDED I COULD TAKE ON AND, UH, CONTINUE MY EXPERIENCE AND, UM, KEEP ON LEARNING AND DEVELOPING AND DOING MY PART IN NATIONAL CITY. LIKE I SAID, I'M A NATIONAL CITY RESIDENT. UH, I HAVE FIVE CHILDREN. MY OLDEST IS, UH, SERVES IN THE US NAVY. MY, UH, SO SHE'S OUT THERE ON DEPLOYMENT ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW. I HAVE AN 18-YEAR-OLD SON. HE GRADUATED FROM SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL AND HE NOW GOES TO CAL STATE NORTHRIDGE. SO HE GOT ACCEPTED FROM THERE. UH, AND I HAVE TWO SONS AND MY DAUGHTER GOES TO, UH, SWEETWATER RIGHT NOW, AND SHE'S ACTUALLY ON THE VARSITY CROSS COUNTRY TEAM. AND THEN I HAVE TWO SONS THAT GO TO LAS PALAMAS ELEMENTARY. SO I'M VERY, VERY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY HERE. I ALSO COACH BOXING, UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, RIGHT UP THE STREET. I THINK YOU WERE THERE RON MORRISON THE OTHER DAY. YES. UH, WHEN I DID SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL, I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT IT WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY AND, UH, SO I JUST, I I FELT LIKE THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT I COULD CONTINUE DOING AND, AND DO MY PART IN THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. UM, LET ME JUST SAY THAT, AND, AND I HAVE ADDRESSED THIS WITH THE STAFF. WE HAVE A FORM THAT PEOPLE FILL OUT, BUT THEY CAN FILL OUT ONLINE AND THE ONLINE VERSION DOESN'T GIVE YOU NOWHERE NEAR THE INFORMATION THAT THE NORMAL FORM DOES. SO WE'RE GONNA SEE IF WE CAN CORRECT THAT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I DID NOTICE HERE, YOU GOT DOWN FOR OCCUPATION, NAVAL SERVICE FORCES, UH, PACIFIC COMMAND CLIMATE SPECIALIST AND OVERSEE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL OF NAVAL FORCES. SPECIFIC, YES. UHHUH . THAT WAS, UH, MY JOB. I JUST, WHEN I DID THAT, UH, REENLISTMENT THAT YOU WERE AT, UH, I TRANSFERRED OVER THAT JOB. SO NOW I'M WORKING ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE. AND SO NOW MY WORKLOAD AS FAR AS THAT IS, IS CHANGING, IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT LESS. BUT I DID DO THAT FOR SIX YEARS FOR THE NAVY. OKAY. AND, UH, OVERSEE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND, UH, EVERY CASE FROM SEXUAL HARASSMENT TO, UH, UH, DISCRIMINATION, HARASSMENT, BULLYING, UM, AND IN VIOLATION USE OF MEDIA AND STUFF LIKE THAT. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? UH, YES, NO QUESTIONS. UH, I'M SOLD. UH, HE HAD ME AT EEOC AND THEN THAT HR EXPERIENCE IS LIKE, LITERALLY I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR THAT CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. SO, UM, IF THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENTS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR ANYTHING. OKAY. UM, OKAY. WE HAD A MOTION. SECOND, I THINK WERE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. NO, NO. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT, UM, DAVID MARNA TO THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. I WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. THIS IS A COUNCIL APPOINTMENT. CAN YOU USE YOUR BUTTONS PLEASE? HERE WE GO. THANK YOU. RIGHT. SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION, UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE A UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, DAVID, YOU STILL ON THERE? YES, I AM. OKAY, THERE YOU ARE. OKAY. SO YOU'LL NEED TO COME IN AND YOU'LL NEED TO BE, UH, UH, SWORN IN BY THE, UH, THE CLERK'S OFFICE. UH, YOU'LL ALSO NEED TO GET SOME, SOME INFORMATION, UH, ON THE, UH, UH, THE POSITION AND THE, THE JOB AND, AND, UH, SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DIRECT YOU TO THE DEPARTMENT AND, UH, GET, GET YOU SOME TRAINING AND GET YOU IN THERE. OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT. AND THEN JUST A QUESTION, IF THE, THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER, IF, UH, WE CAN HAVE OUR NEW PIO KIND OF TO THE EXTENT THAT SHE'S AVAILABLE, UM, YOU KNOW, BE THERE IN PICTURES AND PROMOTE AS WELL ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, THAT'D BE GREAT. ALRIGHT. AND LEMME GET FLIPPED BACK OVER HERE REAL QUICK. SO THAT TAKES CARE OF ALL OF THOSE. SO NEXT WE [10. CONSENT CALENDAR] GO INTO CONSENT CALENDAR. THIS IS ITEMS 10, ONE THROUGH 10. WASN'T THERE TRAFFIC? DID WE VOTE ON THE TRAFFIC? OH, OKAY. YES. UM, 10, ONE THROUGH 10, 16. [01:45:02] I'VE GOTTA LOOK AT ALL MY POLLS SLIP HERE FOR ALL OF THOSE. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE HAVE REQUEST TO PULL 10, 5, 10, 6, UM, LOOKS LIKE 10, 12, 10 13, 10, 14, 15 AND 16. AND MAYOR, YOU RECEIVED A WRITTEN COMMENT ON 10.3 AND 10.7. OKAY. 10.3 AND SEVEN YOU SAID? YES. YOU RECEIVED WRITTEN COMMENT ONLY. YOU DON'T NEED TO PULL THE ITEMS SPECIFICALLY. OKAY. YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYONE WOULD BE REQUESTING TO PULL? I AM NOT SEEING ANYTHING. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE REMAINDER OF THE SO MOVE, MR. MAYOR? HUH? SO MOVE. OKAY. AND, UH, YOU WANT ME HAVE A SECOND TO ENUMERATE THAT? MAYOR? HUH? DO YOU WANT ME TO NAME THE 10.1, 10, DO TWO, 10 DO THREE. 10.4, 10.7, 10.8, 10.9, 10 POINT 10, 10 POINT 12. UH, 11. SORRY. YEP. AND THAT'S ALL. SECOND. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, DO I HAVE, OKAY, I SEE A SECOND ONE ON THERE NOW. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR. SO YOU KNOW THE DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT. UH, FIRST ONE [10.5 Approval of an Agreement Amendment with Liebert Cassidy Whitmore for Legal Services in the Specialized Area of Labor Negotiations by Extending the Agreement to January 31, 2026.] WE GO IS TO 10.5, THIS APPROVAL AGREEMENT, UH, WITH LIEBERT CASSIDY WHITMORE FOR LEGAL SERVICES IN THE SPECIALIZED AREA OF LABOR NEGOTIATIONS BY EXTENDING THE AGREEMENT TO JANUARY 31ST, 2026. AND THAT WAS PULLED BY MR. THOMAS REICH. HOW DO YOU DO? I'D JUST LIKE TO LIEBERT CASSIDY WHITMORE, UH, LABOR NEGOTIATIONS. I, I THINK THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE AND THEIR, THEIR ASSOCIATES. THE LAWYER IS $295 AN HOUR AND THREE 70. THE LABOR RELATIONS RESOURCE CONS CONSULT COUNCIL CONSULTING IS 305 HOURS, $305 AN HOUR, AND THE CLASSIFI CLASSIFICATION CONSULTANT IS $230 AN HOUR. NOW, UH, MY PO I THINK MAYBE YOU COULD HIRE SOMEONE FROM, FROM NATIONAL CITY BECAUSE LIEBERT AND CASY IS AT 6 33 WEST CENTURY BOULEVARD IN LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA, WHICH IT'S A HIGH RENT DISTRICT. CENTURY CITY'S A HIGH RENT DISTRICT FOR HIGH COMMERCIAL DISTRICT FOR, UH, FOR LA. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST THE POINT THAT I'M MAKING. OKAY. IF, IF I COULD, I I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE LABOR RELATIONS ATTORNEYS IN NATIONAL CITY. WELL, NATIONAL CITY TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYWAY. ALRIGHT, UH, MAYOR, MOTION TO APPROVE 10.5. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND, MR. RIKER? WE'RE ALMOST DONE WITH THIS ONE. OKAY. SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALRIGHT. UM, DON'T SEE ANOTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED BY FOUR TO ONE VOTE WITH VICE MAYOR BUSH VOTING NO. OKAY. UH, NEXT WE [10.6 Approval of Creation of One (1) New Job Classification Titled Emergency Medical Services Coordinator, Amending the Management Salary Schedule, Adding 1.0 FTE to the Fire Department Authorized Position Count, and Authorizing a Related Budget Adjustment.] GO TO 10.6, APPROVAL OF CREATION OF ONE NEW JOB CLASSIFICATION TITLED EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES COORDINATOR AMENDING THE MANAGEMENT SALARY SCHEDULE, ADDING ONE FTE TO THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT AUTHORIZED POSITION COUNT AND AUTHORIZING A RELATED BUDGET ADJUSTMENT. MR. THOMAS REICH TO BE FOLLOWED BY MR. EDWARD NETTO. UH, COUNSEL, I JUST WANNA, I AM POINT OUT THAT THIS IS NOT A $73,000 POSITION. IT'S $103,000 POSITION THAT THE $73,000 IS COVERED BY THE GOVERNMENT, GOVERNMENT OR OUTSIDE GOVERNMENT. AND THE OTHER AMOUNT WILL COME OUT [01:50:01] FROM THE 103. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE POINT THAT I'M MAKING. UH, I WAS THINKING THAT IF THIS, THE PERSON'S QUALIFIED, THE PERSON IS GOING TO GET THIS JOB IS A REGISTERED NURSE AND HAS EXPERIENCE IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM OR LIFE SUPPORT. AND IT COULD BE THAT THIS IS A SUPERVISOR POSITION THAT HE'S WITH ALL HIS TRAINING, HE'S SITTING IN THE FIREHOUSE DIRECTING ALL THE PEOPLE, BUT, OKAY. THIS IS, I I COULD, THIS IS AN IN ANTICIPATION. AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE APPROVED TO MOVE AHEAD WITH A STUDY TO COME BACK IN FEBRUARY ABOUT US CONVERTING OVER TO BRINGING AMBULANCES IN-HOUSE. AND, UH, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR WE, WE HAVE A, A JOINT AGREEMENT, UH, UH, A A, UH, AND THAT IS, THAT IS GOING AWAY THE END OF THIS YEAR. AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME FORM OF SERVICES. SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THE, WHEN THIS PERSON NEEDS TO BE HIRED OR ANYTHING ELSE ON, BUT THIS PUTS A HOLDING POSITION IN THERE IN CASE IT IS NEEDED. AND, BUT WE WILL BE HAVING A REPORT COMING BACK ON THE ENTIRE, UH, AMBULANCE SERVICE AND EVERYTHING IN FEBRUARY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE 10.6. MR. MAYER. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. SEE, I'M UP THERE. AND A SECOND COMING UP. THERE IT IS. MOTION A SECOND. UH, SO YOU KNOW WHAT, DISCUSS, OH, WAIT A MINUTE. WE ALSO HAVE, UH, EDO, SORRY, ANSWERED MY QUESTION. OKAY, GOOD. OKAY. UM, TAKE THAT OFF. UH, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT WE GO UP TO, UM, 10 12. AND THIS IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF ADDITIONAL FUNDING APPROPRIATION FOR THE PURCHASE AND BUILD OUT OF A LINCO BEARCAT ARMORED VEHICLE. WHERE, WHERE MR. CHAIRMAN? HUH? SCRIBE. I SUBMITTED A WRITTEN REQUEST. OKAY. 10.7. [10.7 Awarding a Contract to A. Vidovich Construction, Inc. for the Storm Water Pump Station Enhancements Project, CIP No. 25-11.] RIGHT. DID YOU NOT COGNIZE SAW THOSE, BUT YOU WERE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AND YOU DIDN'T NO, NO. I SUBMITTED THE REQUEST AND ENDORSE WRITTEN COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND YOURSELF. 10.7. THE SIMPLE QUESTION WAS WRITTEN IN E SCRIBED. I CAN SAY IT BY MEMORY. DID YOU READ IT? YEAH. DID YOU READ IT? YES, I DID. YOU WERE WANTING THE ADDRESS? AND I DID ASK IT DURING MY BRIEFINGS. UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS GETTING PULLED. I'M SORRY. IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD HEAR THAT ANSWER IN PUBLIC, PLEASE. YEAH, YEAH. WE CAN GET THE ANSWER FOR YOU. AND YOU WERE JUST ASKING, YOU WERE ASKING FOR THE ADDRESS WHERE IT WAS AT? YES. DO YOU HAVE IT? OH YEAH, I SAW THAT. YEAH. DOES DOES STAFF HAVE IT? THAT'S WHY PEOPLE PULL ITEMS FOR MORE INFORMATION. WELL, I KNOW IT, BUT THEY DO IT IN WRITING, WRITING ONGOING. BUT, BUT IF PEOPLE DO IT IN WRITING AND YET THEY'RE HERE IN THE MEETING, SOMEBODY CAN, CAN SIT OUT THERE AND PULL EVERY ITEM ON THE AGENDA JUST TO JAM UP THE NO ONE'S DOING. BUT, SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY IF YOU'RE HERE, JUST FILL OUT A SLIP. IT'S THAT E SIMPLE OR YOU COULD SEE IT IN ADVANCE BECAUSE IT'S SUBMITTED IN WRITING AND MAKING THE POSITION MEETING MORE EFFICIENT. OKAY. SO IF YOU COULD TELL US OR HAVE STAFF ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WE, WE WILL GET YOU AN ADDRESS. APPROXIMATE ADDRESS. YES. UH, WELL YOU ALSO DID THIS ON MY 10.3. I CALLED FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, MAYOR. I DID, UM, ASK THESE QUESTIONS DURING MY BRIEFING. AND I, UM, OUR, UM, ACTING DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, IS THAT THE TITLE NOW, MS. MARTHA DID PROVIDE VERY SUCCINCT ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS. WOULD WE BE ABLE TO COVER THOSE ANSWERS RIGHT NOW? WE CAN. SURE. JUST REAL QUICK, UM, MS. JUAREZ, IF YOU CAN PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION RELATED TO THE STORM DRAIN ADDRESS. UM, PUMP STATION. PUMP STATION. YES, ABSOLUTELY. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THE, UH, THE CONTRACT THAT'S BEING AWARDED IS TO DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO KEEP THE STORM WATER PUMP STATION FUNCTIONING. AND THAT IS LOCATED, UH, AT THE OFF RAMP OF THE NORTHBOUND I FIVE AT, UM, 24TH STREET MILE OF CAR'S WAY EXIT, JUST, UM, JUST TO THE WEST OF THE IN AND OUT THAT'S LOCATED THERE. THERE'S NO OFFICIAL ADDRESS TO THE PUMP STATION ITSELF. SO THAT IS THE LOCATION. MM-HMM . THAT IS THE, AND THEN THE QUESTION ON THE OTHER ITEM RELATES TO, UM, [01:55:01] CONTRACTS FOR CONSULTING SERVICES FOR A VARIETY OF, UM, A LIST OF POTENTIAL CONSULTANTS THAT WE MAY REACH OUT TO IN THE COMING YEAR. UM, THE QUESTION IS, IS DO WE KNOW AN EXACT FIGURE? UH, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT QUESTION? CERTAINLY. UH, SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THESE EXISTING AGREEMENTS ARE WITH OUR ON-CALL CONSULTANTS FOR THE VARIETY OF, UH, SPECIALIZATIONS. UM, THEY ARE IN PLACE. THESE AMENDMENTS ARE REALLY ONLY TO EXTEND THE TIMING AS WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCESS FOR THE, UH, REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS, UH, FOR EVALUATING A NEW SET OF AGREEMENTS WITH NEW ON-CALL CONSULTANTS. THERE'S NO SPECIFIC COST ASSOCIATED WITH THESE, WITH THE EXTENDING THESE, UM, THE COSTS ASSOCIATED ARE EMBEDDED INTO THE CIP PROJECTS THEMSELVES. SO MOST OF THESE, UM, ALL OF THESE, UH, ON-CALL AGREEMENTS THAT WE'RE EXTENDING, UM, ALREADY HAVE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN BUDGETED, THAT HAVE SPECIFIC SERVICES, WHETHER PLANNING, DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, MANAGEMENT SERVICES. SO THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COST TO THESE AMENDMENTS SPECIFICALLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT INFORMATION. AND MR. GOTCHU, I'M HAPPY TO SIT WITH YOU AND DISCUSS THESE ITEMS IN DETAIL IF YOU NEED TO. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE GO [10.12 Awarding a Contract to A. Vidovich Construction, Inc. for the Storm Water Pump Station Enhancements Project, CIP No. 25-11.] ON TO 10 12. THIS IS FOR THE, UH, BEARCAT ARMORED VEHICLE, EDWARD NETO AND MR. THOMAS REICH OR THOMAS REICH. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE YOU FIRST. GO AHEAD. YOU'RE ALREADY UP ON YOUR FEET. THIS IS MY OPINION. 595,000 OR 495,000 FOR HIS ARMORED VEHICLE IS TOO, IS TOO, IS JUST, UH, TOO EXPENSIVE. AND IT'S MADE, IT'S MADE IN PITTSFIELD, MASSACHUSETTS. NOW, IT ISN'T COSTING US ANYTHING BUT 495,000 GIVEN TO A BODY SHOP HERE IN, GIVEN TO A BODY SHOP HERE IN NATIONAL CITY OR THAT, BUT I, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE THING THAT I, THIS I JUST, I 495,000, THAT'S AS MUCH AS FOR THE LOS PALMAS POOLS. THE, THE OTHER PARK, THE, THE 24TH STREET TROLLEY STATION AND YOU, YOU APPROVED IT. BUT I THINK OF THE POOR TAX, THE UNITED STATES TAXPAYERS ARE PUTTING OR SUPPORTING THIS PITTSFIELD COMPANY. THANK YOU MR. ATO. NO, I'D JUST LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS. UH, I LIKE IT THAT, THAT THERE'S ASSET FORFEITURE FUNDS DOESN'T COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. I LIKE THAT PART. UM, BUT I ALSO LIKE TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT WHERE THE FUND'S COMING FROM. IS IT THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND? I THOUGHT WE HAD A VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND AND AT ONE TIME, DIDN'T WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT, UM, AS I RECALL, WASN'T THERE SOMETHING THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A, A, A, A CONTRIBUTION TO THAT FUND? AND SO I'D LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS. OKAY. IF I COULD. I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS DOES NOT INVOLVE VEHICLE, UM, UH, REPLACEMENT FUND. OH, OKAY. UH, THIS WAS BEING PAID FROM OUTSIDE AND SO IT WAS NATIONAL CITY'S TURN TO RECEIVE ONE OF THESE VEHICLES. AND SO THE AMOUNT WAS, UH, WAS SET FORWARD. THE PROBLEM IS, IS TAKE A COUPLE YEARS FOR THAT ALL TO BE PROCESSED IN THAT TIME THE PRICES WENT UP SO THAT WE HAD THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT AND THEY COME BACK AND SAID, WELL, YEAH, BUT THAT WAS JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE. YOU BUY A CAR TODAY, IT'S MORE THAN THE CAR WAS MODELED TWO YEARS AGO. AND, UH, SAME THING WITH THIS. SO THEY'RE USING ASSET FORFEITURE FUNDS TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE. SO NONE OF THE ORIGINAL MONEY OR NONE OF THE MONEY THAT IS BEING MADE UP TO MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE IS COMING OUTTA GENERAL FUND. GOOD. OKAY. UH, SO WITH THAT, AND, AND, AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF SOMEONE TRIED TO MAKE A PROTOTYPE START FROM SCRATCH AND MAKE ONE OF THOSE LOCAL, IT WOULD PROBABLY, THAT PROTOTYPE WOULD PROBABLY BE WELL OVER $2 MILLION TO MAKE, JUST TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND, UH, UH, BUT ANYWAY. ALRIGHT. UM, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, MR. MAYOR? MOVE DUCK. STEP 10 12. OKAY, SECOND. OKAY, WE PUSHING OUR BUTTONS FOR MOTION FOR SECOND. CAN I SAY A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THIS? ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. I ALSO HAD A, A EXTENDED BRIEFING WITH OUR, UH, ACTING CITY MANAGER, UM, ABOUT THE ITEM. AND UM, THE VEHICLE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IS, IS NEARLY 20 YEARS OLD. AND, UM, UH, I DID [02:00:01] ASK, UH, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME OR WHAT ARE SOME OF THE TIMES THAT WE UTILIZE A VEHICLE LIKE THIS? CAN YOU JUST MENTION IT? REALLY? BRIEF? CHIEF ACTING CITY MANAGER. SORRY. EITHER OR BOTH OF 'EM WORK. SO THE, THIS VEHICLE, WE DO HAVE ONE, IF YOU GUYS HAVE EVER GONE OUT TO LIKE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, WE HIGHLIGHT IT AND IT'S A REALLY, A RESCUE VEHICLE THAT WE USE BOTH IN THE PATROL AREA. SO WE HAVE IT STATIONED HERE. IF THERE'S A, A CRITICAL INCIDENT, WE USE IT. THE SWAT TEAM USES IT AS WELL. UM, AND IT'S, SINCE IT'S A UI FUND, UM, IT CAN BE USED BY OTHER AGENCIES. IT'S A REGIONAL ASSET. SO ANY OTHER AGENCY COULD CALL US AND SAY, HEY, WE, WE NEED A A, A ARMORED VEHICLE. CAN YOU PLEASE ALLOW US TO USE IT? AND WE'VE DONE THAT. WE'VE WORKED WITH OTHER AGENCIES. SO IT, IT'S REALLY A, A TO ME IT'S A RESCUE VEHICLE THAT WE NEED IN THE COMMUNITY AND, AND THE ONE THAT WE HAVE IS GETTING UP DURING AGE. SO IT'S, IT'S TIME TO GET A NEW ONE. AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT UI GRANT WAS PROVIDED A FEW YEARS AGO. UH, BUT THE PRICE HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT RIGHT. SINCE THAT TIME. SO I WOULD LIKE TO CHALLENGE SOME OF THE UI FUNDS TO BE A LITTLE LARGER TO COVER THE FULL EXPENSES FOR THE VEHICLES THAT WE NEED HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE DO HAVE MOTION A SECOND. SEEING NO OTHER, UH, COMMENTS OR ANYTHING. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, NEXT WE [10.13 Recognized Obligations Payment Schedule for Fiscal Year 2026-27 (ROPS 26-27) and Associated Administrative Budget (SUCCESSOR AGENCY)] GO TO, UH, 10 13. THIS IS REC RECOGNIZED OBLIGATIONS PAYMENT SCHEDULED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 26 27. IT'S CALLED THE ROPS, UM, 26 27. AND ASSOCIATED ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET FOR THE SUCCESSOR AGENCY. AND THIS ONE IS AT RUNO ROMEO, I GUESS A GUY WHO'S BEEN ACCUSED OF BEING SORT OF A VIOLENT PERSON. I TALK ABOUT NUMBERS, , IT'S AMAZING. THAT'S RIDICULOUS. ANYWAY, WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS, UH, I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I'M LOOKING AT THE FOOTNOTES AND I'M WONDERING, UH, IS THIS, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, WHETHER IT'S BOND RELATED AND IF THE INTEREST IS INCLUDED AND WHETHER WE HAVE THE, UM, CONSIDERING OUR RESERVE BALANCES, IS THERE ANY RISK IF THERE IS, UM, ANY TYPE OF BOND ISSUE? AND IF THAT, AND IF THOSE INTERESTS ARE ADJUSTED AND IF POSSIBLY, UH, IS THERE ANY O OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, REFINANCE THAT IF INTEREST RATES SHOULD GO BELOW THAT? THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF QUESTIONS I HAVE. I'M NOT SURE. I'M SURE WE CAN LOOK OVER AT BRUCE, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS THE WINDING DOWN OF THE OH, UH, REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY. SO, BUT, UM, THAT IS CORRECT. IT IS WINDING DOWN THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY. SO THOSE PROCEEDS THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE COUNTY ARE SEPARATE PROPERTY TAX, TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THE GENERAL FUND. UM, IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY OF INTEREST RATES ON BONDS WERE TO DROP, WE COULD REFINANCE THE BONDS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THERE. UM, I BELIEVE WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST IN PRIOR YEARS, BUT AT THIS TIME WE'RE REALLY WINDING DOWN. AND I THINK THE FINAL ROTHS PAYMENT WILL BE ROUGHLY AROUND 2032, I BELIEVE. SO WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE VERY END. SO AT THIS POINT, IT REALLY WOULDN'T BE FEASIBLE UNLESS INTEREST RATES ON BONDS REALLY BOTTOMED DOWN. SO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THAT IS, UH, 10 13. AND, UM, THESE BASICALLY, UH, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE ON THESE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. UM, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE, MR. MAYOR? MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY, SECOND. SECOND. THERE IS A SECOND. WE HAVE MOTION TO SECOND. I DON'T SEE ANY DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, NEXT WE GO [Items 10.14 - 10.16] TO ITEMS. I'M JUST GONNA TAKE 14 AND 15 TOGETHER 'CAUSE UH, THIS IS GONNA BE THE MR. THOMAS REICH SHOW. AND, UH, THIS IS ON WARRANT REGISTRY NUMBER 16 AND NUMBER 17. WHY DON'T YOU TAKE BOTH OF 'EM TOGETHER? HOW'S THAT? JUST REPEATING. REPEATING THE, UH, UH, WARRANT REGISTER FOR THIS TWO WEEKS FOR THE, WHICH I FOUND, WHICH I FOUND, UH, WHICH, WHICH I FOUND I FOUND INTERESTING. AND IN, UH, FOR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS. HA, EQUIPMENT FOR A MANHOLE [02:05:02] MANHOLE HOOK FOR $360. HUMAN RESOURCES, WORKMAN'S COMPENSATION CLAIMS ADMINISTRATION, $9,100 FOR VORTEX INDUSTRIES CITYWIDE REPAIR. SEVEN SEVEN, $600. FIRE PAYMENT FOR DELIVERY. UH, FIRE MAINTEN HECTOR. PAYMENT FOR DELIVERY OF SPANISH CLASS $1,500. POLICE. RADIO, RADIO, CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL, CHILD SEXUAL ASSAULT EXAMS, $1,900. CITY ATTORNEY DEVANEY PAID LEGAL SERVICES, $17,000. GEO SING TECH I CONSULTANT. FIFTH FIVE ITEMS. 23,000. KIMLEY HO KIMLEY AND HORN BICYCLE W WAY FINDING SIGNAGE. $2,200 LOCAL EQUIPMENT STREET SWEEPER BROOM LIFT, $2,500. DESERT AUTO GROUP INTERCEPTORS $172,000 FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. GARLAND ROOFING MATERIALS FOR THE FIRE STATION. 193,000 GARLAND ROOFING. AND FOR THE LIBRARY. 608,000 ENTERPRISE ENTERPRISE FREIGHT MANAGEMENT. 26,000. 26,000. AND 26,000 FOR FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 FOR 20 FOR FISCAL YEAR 26. HOW HOUSING ANDERSON RABBIT APPRAISAL FOR APPRAISAL FOR 23RD, FOR 20 WEST, 23RD STREET, AND 2300 CLEVELAND. 12,500 ASSOCIATES. CONSULTING SERVICES FOR OLIVER FOR FOR OWNERSHIP. 96,000, UH, IN THE IT AT AND T DATA PHONES. 31,000 GEOS SYNTEX CLEANUP FOR PLAZA AND EUCLID. $4,800. $4,800 REPLACEMENT FOR THE REPLACEMENT DOOR FOR STATION 31 71. A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR PROJECT FRANK ADMINISTRATION. $11,000 SAN DIEGO GAS ELECTRIC FOR STREETLIGHTS. $40,000 WARRANT. REGISTER FOR TAXABLE PENSION. $4,700,000. UH, CHIN RYAN ASSOCIATES, 21ST STREET TRANSIT CENTER, 277,000 BOOK BOOK MODULAR LAS PALMAS POOLS 418,000, I GUESS. UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TIME FOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND, UH, THAT IS FOR ITEMS 14 AND, UH, 15. I'M GONNA, THERE'S ONE MORE EXPENDITURE. THAT'S ITEM 16. UH, MR. EDWARD NETO, WHILE HE'S COMING UP, LET JUST GO AHEAD AND COME ON UP. UH, WHILE HE'S COMING UP, LEMME JUST SAY, MY, UH, WIFE HAS A, UH, BRAND NEW CAR AND LIGHT CAME ON, TOOK IT DOWN, AND IT'S A HYBRID, SO IT USES VERY LITTLE GAS, BRAND NEW, LOW MILEAGE. TOOK IT DOWN AND THEY SAID THAT THEY NEED TO DRAIN THE, UH, GAS OUTTA THE GAS TANK. AND THEY WANNA CHARGE $1,500 FOR THAT. THINGS WERE EXPENSIVE FOLKS. THINGS ARE GETTING EXPENSIVE ALL OVER EVERYWHERE. YEP. SO LET ME, UH, START HERE. UM, SO HERE'S AN EXPENDITURE ON THIS, UH, 16TH COUNCIL MEMBER FOR, UM, I, I BELIEVE THIS IS YAMANI FOR, UM, DISTRICT THREE BANNERS, $8,213 AND 64 CENTS. UH, NOW I ORIGINALLY STARTED THIS CONVERSATION AT THE VERY BEGINNING. THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS IS TO SAY, IS IT, IS IT REASONABLE AND IS IT NECESSARY? NOW, THIS IS GENERAL FUND MONIES. SO THERE'S A, WE'RE TAKING IT. I THINK PEOPLE ARE ABUSING THAT. THESE AREN'T FEDERAL FUNDS AND STRETCHING THE LIMITS ON WHAT WE CAN, UH, USE THE MONEY FOR GENERAL FUND MONIES FOR AND [02:10:01] WITH CITY'S STAFF'S, UH, OVERSIGHT, WHICH SURPRISES ME. SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS COST REASONABLE AND NECESSARY? $8,213? I LIKE TO HEAR AN EX EXPLANATION. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS, UH, UNIFORMS HERE. WHAT WAS IT? UNIFORMS LIKE? AND, AND, AND THEN THERE WAS CORRECTIONS FOR NAMING OF UNIFORMS. IS THAT CLOSE TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR UNIFORMS OR, OR, OR, OR SOME SORT OF, UH, SPELLINGS. I LIKE EXPLANATIONS FOR THIS. THIS IS NOT REASONABLE. THIS IS NOT NECESSARY COST. WE HAVE A BUDGET DEFICIT. MAYBE I CAN BE AS SIMPLE AS THAT. HOPEFULLY GET AN ANSWER. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE WARRANT REGISTRIES NUMBER 1617 AND, UH, THAT WAS ON THE EXPENDITURE REPORT. SO WE HAVE, UM, 14, 15, AND 16. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE, MR. CHAIR? MOVE FOR APPROVAL. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY, I'LL SECOND GET THAT IN THERE. HERE WE GO. OKAY. UH, SEEING NO DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. UH, NEXT WE GO ON TO PUBLIC [11.1 Public Hearing and Introduction of an Ordinance Adopting the 2025 California Fire Code and the Appendices Thereto, Adopting the National Fire Protection Association Standards, and Amending Chapter 15.28 of the National City Municipal Code.] HEARINGS AND OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, 11.1 IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND INTRODUCTION OF AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING THE 2025 CALIFORNIA FIRE CODE AND APPENDIX IS THERE TOO. ADOPTING THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION STANDARDS AND AMENDING CHAPTERS 15 POINT, UH, 28 OF THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL CODE AND STAFF. UH OH. HE'S CALLED IN FOR BACKUP. GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL. THIS IS OUR, UH, ANNUAL EVERY THREE YEAR CODE ADOPTION. UH, YOU KNOW, WE BROUGHT, I THINK LAST MONTH, UH, BUILDING CODE, ELECTRIC CODE, RESIDENTIAL CODE, SO FORTH CAME. THIS IS THE FIRE CODE ADOPTION AND THE UPDATED CODE CHANGES THAT WOULD BE RELATED IN OUR MUNICIPAL CODE. OKAY. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. OKAY. OKAY. . SO IT'S JUST BRINGING EVERYTHING BASICALLY IN LINE? YEAH. YEAH. IT'S THE STANDARD CODES WE ADOPT EVERY THREE YEARS WHEN THEY COME OUT. ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY, SO THAT IS THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON THIS ONE. AND SO IF THAT IS THE CASE, UNLESS THERE IS DIRECT QUESTIONS ON THE PRESENTATION, I'D ASK FOR, UH, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MOVE TO CLOSE. MR. CHAIR. DO I HAVE A SECOND TO OSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? YOU JUST PUSH YOUR BUTTON AGAIN. THERE'LL MAKE A SECOND. SORRY. HEARING. HUH? I'LL MAKE A SECOND TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THERE WE GO. UH, IT'S BEEN A LONG YEAR. WE'RE ALL GETTING TIRED HERE, FOLKS. . OKAY. UH, WITH THAT, UH, THIS IS CLOSED OF PUBLIC HEARING. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PROVE A UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE A, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? MOVE TO ADOPT MR. CHAIR. OKAY. AND, UH, SECOND. OKAY. OR THAT, 'CAUSE THIS IS FOR INTRODUCTION I GUESS. I'M SORRY. AND, UH, SO THIS IS PUBLIC HEARING AND INTRODUCTION. SO THIS IS A MOTION TO INTRODUCE, UH, IF YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PROVED UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. 11.2 HAS BEEN PULLED AND WILL BE HEARD ON JANUARY THE 20TH. UH, SO [11.3 Public Hearing – Appeal of a Planning Commission Denial of a Conditional Use Permit for a Proposed Recycling Center to be Located at 1240 East Plaza Boulevard.] WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARING ON 11.3. THIS IS APPEAL OF A PLANNING COMMISSION DENIAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OF A PROPOSED RECYCLING CENTER TO BE LOCATED AT 1240 EAST PLAZA BOULEVARD. STAFF. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, STAFF PUBLIC, UH, MARTIN READER, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. AND JUST, UH, TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT 11.2. GO AHEAD. SORRY. BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS, COULD WE GET DISCLOSURES? OH, OKAY. WE CAN HAVE DEFINITELY, WE SHOULD DO DISCLOSURES. OKAY. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING TO DISCLOSE? YES, I SPOKE TO THE APPLICANT BY PHONE THIS MORNING. OKAY. UH, MAYOR, I ALSO HAD A PHONE CALL WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. ALRIGHT, OVER HERE, PHONE CALL TO THE APPLICANT AND AN EMAIL RECEIVED. OKAY. [02:15:01] EMAIL AND PHONE CALL WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, EARLIER TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, YEAH, AND I HAD THE APPLICANT, UH, COME TO MY OFFICE ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO OR SO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. SO, UM, WITH THAT THEN, AND, UH, SO THIS IS THE, AN APPEAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DENIAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO WITH STAFF, HELLO AGAIN, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, STAFF FOR THE PUBLIC, UH, MARTIN LEADER, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. AND JUST GOING BACK TO 11.2 REAL QUICK, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, WE WILL SEND OUT A BRAND NEW PUBLIC NOTICE FOR THAT ONE IN JANUARY SO EVERYONE IS STILL AWARE. UH, MOVING ON TO THE, THE PROJECT AT HAND. SO AGAIN, THIS IS AN APPEAL. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THE CUP REQUEST BACK IN OCTOBER AND VOTED TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR THE RECYCLING CENTER BEHIND, UH, THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER THERE AT, UH, BAY PLAZA. AND THE FINDING FOR DENIAL THAT WAS IN THE RESOLUTION WAS THAT THE, IT WOULD BE A NUISANCE OR INJU INJURIOUS OR DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST. MOST OF THE DISCUSSION WAS ON TRAFFIC, BUT THERE WAS ALSO ONE PERSON FROM THE PUBLIC WHO LIVED TO THE, UH, SOUTH THAT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, CURRENT EFFECTS OR CURRENT ISSUES THAT WERE HAPPENING BEHIND THAT AREA OF, OF THAT SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE RELATED TO ANY, UH, ANY OF THIS THAT WAS PROPOSED, BUT THAT WAS ALL TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WITH REGARD TO THE DENIAL. SO THE APPLICANT DID FILE A, A APPEAL REQUEST FOLLOWING THAT DECISION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEREFORE WE'LL BE MAKING A QUICK PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL BE LETTING THE, THE APPLICANT AS THE APPELLANT MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION AS WELL. SO AGAIN, WE'RE DEALING WITH THE, THE SOUTH BAY PLAZA HERE, UH, WHERE, UH, AN AVENUE COMES DOWN FROM, FROM THE SOUTH, UH, THERE IS A SORT OF A, A JUNCTION THERE AND, AND BEHIND WHAT'S WHERE THE UPS STORE, ET CETERA. THERE IS AN AREA WHERE, UH, IT'S A, A PARKING LOT WITH, UH, SEVERAL SPACES ON A TRASH ENCLOSURE. AND THE APPLICANT WISHES TO PUT, UH, THE, UH, CONTAINERS IN THAT LOCATION THAT WOULD SERVE TO FUNCTION AS A RECYCLING CENTER. SO 1240 EAST PLAZA BOULEVARD. THIS IS A MIXED USE ZONE. UH, THE AREA IS MOSTLY COMMERCIAL IN THIS AREA, THOUGH. THERE IS RESIDENTIAL UP THE HILL TO THE SOUTH. UH, SMART AND FINAL IS TO THE NORTH AND NO WEST. THAT'S, UH, REALLY THE, THE CRUX OF THE MATTER HERE. THEY ARE THE, UH, STORE THAT CREATES A CONVENIENT ZONE IN THIS, IN THIS AREA, WHICH IS, WHICH WE WILL, UH, TALK MORE ABOUT IN, IN CURRENT SLIDES. SORRY. HERE'S A COUPLE OF SITE PHOTOS SHOWING BEHIND THE AREA OF SMART AND FINAL, IN PARTICULAR WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE, THE ELECTRICAL BOX TO THE LEFT, THAT'S ROUGHLY THE AREA JUST PAST THERE. WHERE THE CONTAINERS WOULD BE. IT WOULD BE A MOBILE RECYCLING CENTER, WHICH IN THE CODE REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. HENCE THE APPLICATION TWO 18 BY 18 FOOT SIZED CONTAINERS AND ONE EIGHT BY FIVE. THE PROPOSAL, THE PROPOSED HOURS ARE NINE TO FIVE. MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, THE OPERATOR WOULD BE ON SITE AT ALL TIMES AND THE FACILITY WOULD BE LOCKED AT NIGHT. SO PAYMENTS WOULD BE PROVIDED IN CASH BY THE OPERATORS OF THE FACILITIES TO CUSTOMERS THAT, UH, STOP BY. SO AGAIN, HERE'S A, IS A ROUGH AREA, UH, SHOWING THE, THE LOCATION. THIS IS A CLOSEUP. SO THERE ARE FOUR PARK OR THREE PARKING SPACES RATHER NEXT TO THE TRASH ENCLOSURE, WHICH WOULD REMAIN AND STILL BE ACCESSIBLE AND MOST LIKELY USED BY CUSTOMERS IF THEY WERE TO COME BY. SO THE CONTAINERS ARE UP AGAINST THE WALL. THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE CODE, BUILDING CODE, ET CETERA TO MAKE SURE APPROPRIATE, UM, DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS ARE MAINTAINED, UH, GOING INTO CONVENIENCE ZONE. SO ANY, UM, SUPERMARKET OR OR MARKET STORE, ET CETERA, THAT HAS MORE THAN $2 MILLION OF SALES PER YEAR AND THAT SELLS BEVERAGES AND RECYCLABLE CONTAINERS IS REQUIRED TO HAVE, OR IT'S CALLED A CONVENIENCE ZONE. AND THERE'S REQUIRED ACCESS TO A RECYCLING FACILITY WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS OF THAT PROJECT. UH, IN THIS CASE, THERE ARE 10 CONVENIENCE ZONES IN THE CITY. THE, THERE IS A, A RECYCLING CENTER ON SWEETWATER ROAD THAT TAKES CARE OF, I BELIEVE, THREE OF THEM. AND WE ALSO HAVE AN EXEMPT, EXEMPT ONE AS WELL. SO 30TH STREET IS MORE THAN A MILE FROM THIS LOCATION. SO THIS, THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, PLUS OTHERS, I'LL SHOW YOU IN A MOMENT. UH, YEAH. UH, ARE UNSERVED CONVENIENCE ZONES IN THAT THERE IS NO CURRENT RECYCLING CENTER WITHIN A MILE OF THAT, THAT TENDS TO BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE IF THERE IS NONE, THEN THE STORE IS REQUIRED TO EITHER ACCEPT RECYCLABLES ON SITE OR THEY HAVE TO PAY A HUNDRED DOLLARS A DAY TO THE STATE, UH, UNTIL THEY, THERE IS A, A FACILITY LOCATED THERE. SO THERE ARE STANDARDS IN THE CODE REGARDING SIZE, HOW FAR AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL ZONES DOES NOT OBSTRUCT, UH, CIRCULATION EITHER PEDESTRIAN OR VEHICULAR. AND, UH, THE [02:20:01] TYPE OF PRODUCTS THAT ARE TO BE RECYCLED, THE PROPOSAL IS IN, IS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE. WE DID SEND THIS OUT FOR, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS. THERE WERE CONCERNS OVER TRAFFIC, CRIME AND TRASH, UH, NOTED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT WE HAVE INCLUDED CONDITIONS IN THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL RESOLUTION, UH, TO OFFSET THOSE ISSUES. AND, UH, THOSE ARE NOTED THERE. AS FAR AS TRAFFIC IS CONCERNED, THIS TYPE OF USE IS NOT, DOES NOT GENERATE TRAFFIC ACCORDING TO ANY, ANY, UH, METHODS OR MODELS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT. IT'S ALREADY A SHOPPING CENTER. MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE COMING HERE WOULD ALSO BE, UH, SHOPPING IN THE CENTER NEARBY. UH, THE AREA WOULD BE TEMPORARILY CONNED OR CHAINED OFF, BUT THAT'S ONLY TO AN AREA WITH THREE PARKING SPACES IN IT. SO IT WOULD NOT OBSTRUCT, UH, ANY CIRCULATION ANYWHERE ELSE. THE EMPLOYEE IS ALSO GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE EMPLOYEES WILL BE ON SITE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE CIRCULATION MOVES ACCORDINGLY. UH, NOISE WAS ALSO TALKED ABOUT THERE ARE CON, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL RELATED TO THAT. THE CLOSEST RESIDE IS, UH, MORE THAN 50 FEET AWAY. AND, AND THIS IS A POTENTIAL GRADE CHANGE IN THIS, IN THIS LOCATION. UH, THERE WILL BE DAYTIME HOURS. THERE WOULD BE NO POWER DRIVEN EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD INCREASE NOISE IN THE AREA. IT WAS NOT SUBJECT TO CQA OR IT WAS SUBJECT, BUT IT WAS CONSIDERED EXEMPT 'CAUSE IT'S A, UH, EXISTING FACILITY OR SMALL ENOUGH TO BE CONSIDERED A EXISTING FACILITY. CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL RELATED TO BUILDING, ENGINEERING, FIRE COMMENTS, AS WELL AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COMMENTS AND OF COURSE, COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND USE CODE. SO IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE CODE. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND DENIAL. THE PLANNING STAFF DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE, THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. SO THE OPTIONS AFTER HEARING THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION OR THE APPELLANT'S PRESENTATION ARE TO EITHER AFFIRM THE APPELLANT'S APPEAL, WHICH WOULD MEAN OVERTURNING THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION AND APPROVING THIS PROJECT TO DENY THE APPEAL AND UPHOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION DENIAL, UH, TO CONTINUE THE ITEM IF HER SPECIFIC INFORMATION AS NEEDED BY THE COUNCIL TO MAKE A DECISION AND AGAINST STAFF, DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CONTINUES TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL IN THIS CASE. SO THAT AGAIN, CONCLUDES STAFF SUPPORT AND THE APPLICANT AS THE APPELLANT IS, UH, GONNA GIVE A PRESENTATION ALSO. SO, ALRIGHT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. STAFF BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. ONE CLARIFICATION QUESTION. YES. UH, THANK YOU, DIRECTOR READER. UH, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SMART AND FINAL HAVING TO PAY A HUNDRED DOLLARS A DAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T PROVIDE THIS SERVICE ALREADY. CORRECT. IF IT'S A CONVENIENT ZONE, WHICH IS THE $2 MILLION STORE SAVE, UH, THAT BEING ONE OF THEM, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO EITHER TAKE IN RECYCLABLES ON SITE, WHICH THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE DOING, UH, INSIDE THE STORE, OR THEY HAVE TO PAY A HUNDRED DOLLARS A DAY UNTIL, AND THEY PAY THAT TO THE STATE. THE STATE, YEAH. THE DISSIPATE. AND IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW? UH, ACTUALLY I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. THE APPLICANT MAY KNOW THAT, BUT THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO THEM. OKAY. BUT EITHER WAY, IT'S A COST TO THE STORE AND SO THIS PROJECT IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH SMART AND FINAL, OR IT'S COMPLETELY APART. IT'S, IT'S INDEPENDENT, BUT IT IS, IT'S INDEPENDENT. IT WOULD BE A CONVENIENT ZONE THAT HAPPENS TO BE SMART AND FINAL AND WOULD ALSO COVER I, I BELIEVE, SIX OTHER, UH, FACILITIES. I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT HAS A MAP SHOWING THAT, BUT THE, OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE. OKAY. OKAY. WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. HI, GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYORS, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF, AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE CHANCE TO HEAR US TODAY. AND ALSO THANK YOU TO MARTIN FOR HIS PRESENTATION. MY NAME'S ANTHONY JUNIOR, AND THIS IS MY DAD, ANTHONY. WE'RE HERE TODAY TO PROPOSE A CRV CENTER FOR NATIONAL CITY THAT WAS DENIED BY THE PLANET COMMISSION ON AFFORDED TO VOTE. UH, WE WANT TO CLEAR UP ANY MISUNDERSTANDINGS AND SHOW THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCED RESPONSIBLE RECYCLING CENTER OPERATORS WITH A REPUTATION OF CLEAN, SAFE, AND FRIENDLY RECYCLING CENTERS IN NATIONAL CITY. I'M SORRY, IN SAN DIEGO. SO WE'RE, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR, SORRY, I TOUCHING. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OURSELVES ARE WELL ESTABLISHED IN SAN DIEGO. UH, WE'RE A FAMILY OWNED AND OPERATED BUSINESS. WE HAVE OVER 25 YEARS OF SERVING SAN DIEGO COMMUNITIES. MY DAD HAS BEEN IN THE BUSINESS HIMSELF SINCE THE NINETIES, AND I GREW UP IN THE BUSINESS AND LEARNED THE OPERATION FIRSTHAND. OUR FAMILY IS FROM THE SOUTH BAY. MY DAD WENT TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN NATIONAL CITY AND WAS A DELIVERY BOY FOR THE STAR NEWS. I MYSELF WORKED FOR NATIONAL IN NATIONAL CITY, ALSO IN, UH, PLAZA BONITA. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, WE KNOW THIS AREA PRETTY WELL. UH, I RECEIVED MY BACHELOR'S IN BUSINESS IN 2022 [02:25:01] WITH THE SUPPORT OF MY DAD, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER TO CONTINUE GROWING THIS FAMILY BUSINESS. SO OUR CURRENT LOCATIONS ARE, THE FIRST ONE IS GONNA BE SAN DIEGO, CRV CENTER OFF THE 94 FREEWAY. WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS. THE NEXT ONE IS OFF THE 1 25 IN EAST SAN DIEGO, WHICH, UH, WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 11 YEARS. AND THEN OUR NEWEST IS CORONA AUTO, CRV CENTER IN SOUTH SAN DIEGO, WHICH WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. SO OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS WITH A CLEAN, SAFE, AND CONVENIENT WAY TO REDEEM THEIR CRV CONTAINERS. SO, A CRV CENTER, HOW IT WORKS IS CUSTOMERS WILL BRING THEIR CANS AND BOTTLES ALREADY SORTED, USUALLY IN PLASTIC BAGS, AND WE HELP THEM UNLOAD IT INTO OUR RECEPTACLES. UH, THE STAFF THEN WEIGHS THIS MATERIAL AND PAYS THE CUSTOMERS BASED ON STATE SET RATES. THE MATERIALS ARE THEN PLACED TO ROLL OFF CONTAINERS AND PICKED UP REGULARLY BY ROLL OFF TRUCKS. SO, WASHINGTON NATIONAL CITY HAVE A CRV CENTER. THIS PROVIDES A MUCH NEEDED COMMUNITY SERVICE. NATIONAL CITY CURRENTLY DOESN'T HAVE ITS OWN RECYCLING CENTER. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR SENIORS, WORKING FAMILIES, STUDENTS, AND PEOPLE WHO ARE ON FIXED INCOMES AND RELY ON CRV REFUNDS FOR SOME EXTRA CASH. IT ALSO KEEPS THE DOLLAR. LOCAL CRE REFUNDS ARE USUALLY SPENT RIGHT AWAY IN NEARBY STORES, GAS STATIONS AND RESTAURANTS. ON AVERAGE, WE HAND OUT ABOUT $1,500 AT OUR ESTABLISHED LOCATIONS IS WHEN IT GOES DIRECTLY BACK INTO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. THIS ALSO CREATES LOCAL JOBS. WE PLAN TO TRAIN AND HIRE NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS. WE HAVE MANY EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE BEEN WITH US FOR OVER 10 YEARS, AND WE HOPE TO FIND MORE LIKE THIS IN NATIONAL CITY. IT ALSO PROMOTES ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY. IT INCENTIVIZES PEOPLE TO CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT BY PAYING THEM TO RECYCLE. THIS LEADS TO FEWER PEOPLE, UH, LITTERING THEIR CANS IN BOTTLES, AND IT ALSO MOTIVATES OTHERS TO PICK UP THOSE CANS AND BOTTLES, WHICH BOTH HELP KEEP THE PUBLIC SPACES CLEANER. AND LIKE MAR MENTIONED, UM, THIS HELPS THE CITY AND THE STORES MEET STATE COMPLIANCE WITH CAL RECYCLE. NATIONAL CITY CURRENTLY HAS SEVEN UNSERVED ZONES, MEANING THAT THE SEVEN MAJOR GROCERY STORES ARE NOT, DO NOT HAVE A RECYCLING CENTER WITHIN A MILE. THIS INCLUDES THE MAJOR GROCERY STORES AND MANY OF THE SMALL, LOCAL AND CONVENIENCE STORES THAT ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO BUY THESE CANS AND BOTTLES. SO THIS LOCATION WILL SERVE ALL SEVEN OF THESE LOCATIONS, THE COMMISSION'S DECISION AND, AND THEIR CONCERNS. LAST MONTH, UH, WHEN OUR PROJECT WAS PRESENTED TO THE PANIC COMMISSION, IT WAS DENIED ON AFFORDED TO VOTE. AT THE TIME, WE DIDN'T BRING A PRESENTATION BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT THE, THAT THE PROJECT WOULD BE WELL RECEIVED BASED ON ITS BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY. BUT WE HEARD THEIR CONCERNS LOUD AND CLEAR, AND WE WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS, CORRECT ANY MISUNDERSTANDINGS, AND MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECT IS WELL, THE PROJECT WILL BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT OUR PROPOSAL BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD CREATE NUISANCE ISSUES LIKE, LIKE LITTERING, TRAFFIC, NOISE, CRIME, LOITERING, OR OTHER NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE NEARBY BUSINESSES. SO WE WANNA WALK THROUGH EACH OF THESE CONCERNS AND SHOW OUR OPERATION WILL NOT ONLY AVOID THESE ISSUES, BUT ACTUALLY HELP WITH SOME OF THESE EXISTING PROBLEMS AND BRING BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY. SO TRAFFIC WAS THE MAIN CONCERN THAT WE HEARD FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT TRAFFIC IS NOT EXPECTED TO INCREASE BECAUSE OF A SMALL RECYCLING CENTER. SMALL RECYCLING CENTERS DON'T GENERATE SIGNIFICANT NEW TRAFFIC. THE MAJORITY OF THESE VISITORS ARE ALREADY SHOPPING IN THE SHOPPING CENTERS, AND THEY'RE JUST DROPPING THEIR CANS OFF DURING THE REGULAR ERRANDS. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID MENTION THE RECYCLING CENTER IN THE FOOD FOR THIS PARKING LOT FOR SEVERAL REASONS, FOR AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY THEY DIDN'T WANT OUR PROPOSED LOCATION. SO THE FOOD FOR THIS LOCATION IS OVERCROWDED BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY RECYCLING CENTER THAT SERVES ALL OF NORTH CHULA VISTA AND NATIONAL CITY. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, UH, NEXT CLOSEST RECYCLING CENTER IS A 10 MINUTE DRIVE OFF, UH, NEAR IMPERIAL AVENUE EAST OFF OF WOODMAN OR SOUTH OFF OF PALMORE. SO TRAFFIC ISN'T EXPECTED TO BE AN ISSUE HERE. ONCE THE RECYCLERS ARE BETTER DISTRIBUTED, WE'RE ALSO REQUIRING CUSTOMERS TO BRING THEIR MATERIALS ALREADY SORTED, WHICH MAKES THE PROCESS EVEN FASTER. AND MANY RECYCLING CENTERS ALREADY OPERATE LIKE THIS. SO THIS ISN'T NEW TO RECYCLERS. AND SO THE MAIN CONCERN WAS THE TRAFFIC THAT'S ON N AVENUE. AND TO HELP MITIGATE THIS TRAFFIC, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SIGNS THAT ASK CUSTOMERS TO LEAVE TOWARDS THE WEST SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT. FIRE MARSHAL HERNANDEZ ALSO REQUIRED US TO HAVE A FIRE ESCAPE STUDY DONE, WHICH WE DID. WE WORK WITH GEORGE LUCIA, WHO HIMSELF WAS A FIRE CHIEF AND FIRE MARSHAL, AND HE DREW UP SOME PLANS FOR US TO SHOW HOW WE COULD MITIGATE TRAFFIC IN OUR AREA, IN OUR AREA IF NEEDED. UH, THIS FOLLOWS ALL FIRE AND STATE FIRE CODES, SORRY, ALL CITY AND FIRE ALL CITY AND STATE FIRE CODES. SO THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT LITTERING AND NOISE AND WANNA SHARE WHAT WE LEARNED FROM OPERATING OUR OTHER RECYCLING CENTERS. WHEN YOU HAVE A PRESENCE IN THE BACK AREA OF A SHOPPING CENTER WITH THE STAFF BUSINESS, IT ACTUALLY HELPS REDUCE ILLEGAL DUMPING BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN EMPTY HIDDEN SPACE ANYMORE. THERE'S PEOPLE AROUND AND SECURITY CAMERAS IN PLACE. SO WE MAKE SURE TO KEEP OUR RECYCLING CONTAINERS CLEAN BY, BY SWEEPING THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND POWER WASHING THEM WHEN NEEDED. AND WE MAKE SURE TO COLLECT ANY RUNOFF WATER LIKE, UH, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO. OUR CONTAINER AT THIS LOCATION WILL HAVE NOISE NAPPING MATERIAL TO HELP MITIGATE ANY NOISE FROM SOUND FROM CANS AND BOTTLES. [02:30:01] AND THE NOISE THAT IS MADE FROM CANS AND BOTTLE IS ALREADY VERY LITTLE. AND THERE IS NO POWER DRIVEN EQUIPMENT USED AT SMALL RECYCLING CENTERS. TRUCK PICKUP IS, UH, QUICK AND EASY. WE HAVE ROLL OFF CONTAINERS, SO A ROLL OFF TRUCK HAS TO LINE UP WITH THE CONTAINER HOOK UP AND THE CONTAINER LIFTED ONTO THE TRUCK. THIS TAKES NO MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES AND DROP OFF IS THE SAME THING. WE DO OUR OWN TRUCKING AND WE'VE HAD THE SAME DRIVER FOR OVER 15 YEARS. SO PICKUPS ARE QUICK AND EASY. THEY'RE, THEY'RE EASILY COORDINATED. SO THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT SHOPPING CART. NO SHOPPING CART WILL BE ALLOWED AT THIS RECYCLING CENTER. WE HAVE THIS RULE AT OUR OTHER SHOPPING AT OUR OTHER RECYCLING CENTERS. AND LOTS OF RECYCLING CENTERS OPERATE LIKE THIS ACROSS THE CITY AND THE STATE. SO THIS ISN'T NEW TO RECYCLERS EITHER. UH, WE DO ALLOW OTHER SIMILAR OPTIONS LIKE THE FOLDABLE BASKETS OR WAGONS, BUT NOT COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CARTS. AND THERE WAS ALSO CONCERNS ABOUT TRASH. UH, WE DON'T TAKE IN AS MUCH GARBAGE AS YOU'D EXPECT. CUSTOMERS WHO BRING IN THEIR MATERIAL ALREADY SORTED, THEY USUALLY TAKE THEIR BAGS BACK TO REUSE. AND THE BAG AND THE TRASH THAT WE DO TAKE IN IS MOSTLY JUST PLASTIC BAGS FROM CUSTOMERS. WE DON'T ACCEPT CARDBOARD OR EXCESSIVE TRASH FROM PEOPLE'S HOUSES. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED LOCATION. THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HOW, NOT HOW NOISE MIGHT AFFECT THE NEARBY HOUSES. AND WE WANNA REASSURE EVERYONE THAT A SMALL RECYCLING CENTER DOESN'T GENERATE LOUD ENOUGH NOISE TO BE HEARD FROM THE NEARBY HOUSES. THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE IS 160 FEET AWAY, AND THE NEAREST HOUSE IS 200 FEET AWAY. UH, AS MARTIN MENTIONED, WE ARE REQUIRED TO BE AT LEAST 50 FEET AWAY, WHICH WE EXCEED BY A LOT. SO HERE'S A PHOTO SHOWING THE GRADE CHANGE AND THE HOUSES UP ON THE HILL. AND THESE ARE A COUPLE MORE PHOTOS SHOWING THE GRADE CHANGE UP CLOSE ON THE LEFT, IF YOU'RE WALKING ALONGSIDE OF IT. AND ON THE RIGHT, SHOWING THAT WE'RE 160 FEET AWAY AND THE HOUSE IS ABOUT 200 FEET AWAY. CORONADO AVENUE, CRV CENTER, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING HERE SINCE JANUARY WITHOUT A NOISE COMPLAINT. AND BEFORE US THERE WAS A RECYCLE CENTER HERE FOR OVER FIVE YEARS. WE OPERATE ABOUT 50 FEET AWAY FROM AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND A HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM HOUSES. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THAT'S THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE IS THE HOUSES. SO THIS IS THE SAME SITE, A LITTLE BIT MORE ZOOMED DOWN ON THE LEFT AND ON THE RIGHT YOU CAN SEE THOSE ARE HOUSES ON THE LEFT. AND THEN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. THIS IS, UH, SAN DIEGO CV BUYBACK CENTER, OUR OTHER SMALL RECYCLING CENTER IN, UM, A SHOPPING CENTER. THIS ONE IS DIRECTLY NEXT TO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, AS YOU CAN SEE, RIGHT BEHIND US IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM MANY HOUSES. THIS IS A PREVIOUS SITE THAT WE HAD IN SOUTH PARK. WE OPERATED HERE FOR OVER FIVE YEARS UNTIL THE GROCERY STORE CLOSED, MEANING THAT THE CONVENIENCE ZONE DIDN'T EXIST ANYMORE. WE WERE RIGHT NEXT TO, AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE, THAT WAS A HOUSE RIGHT ON OUR RIGHT SIDE. AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET WAS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. BUT WE WANNA SHARE THESE EXAMPLES TO SHOW THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING OPERATING IN SMALL SPACES, NEAR HOUSES AND NEAR APARTMENTS WITHOUT RECEIVING NOISE COMPLAINTS. SMALL RECYCLING CENTERS OPERATE LIKE THIS ALL ACROSS THE CITY AND THE STATE. IF THESE RECYCLING CENTERS ARE PUSHED OUTTA THESE COMMERCIAL ZONES AND INTO INDUSTRIAL ZONES, AND THEY'RE NOT SERVING THE CONVENIENCE ZONE LIKE THEY WERE INTENDED TO DO. SO, CRIME AND LOITERING, SIMILAR TO ILLEGAL DUMPING, HAVING THE PRESENCE OF A STAFF BUSINESS AND PEOPLE AROUND DETERS UNWANTED ACTIVITY, WE DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH, WITH CRIME OR WITH DUMPING AT ANY OF OUR SITES. GIVING PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE EXTRA MONEY ACTUALLY HELPS REDUCE CRIME BECAUSE IT BRINGS MORE MONEY INTO THE COMMUNITY. THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHO'S ALSO OUR LANDLORD AT THE CORONA AUTO LOCATION, HE RE AND HE'S ALSO REC WHO RECOMMENDED THIS LOCATION TO US. HE INVESTED A LOT INTO SECURITY AT THIS SITE, INCLUDING, UH, 24 7 VIDEO SURVEILLANCE SECURITY WHO CAN SPEAK THROUGH A TWO-WAY SYSTEM AND A SECURITY GUARD ON SITE FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER EIGHT HOURS A DAY. OUR RECYCLING CENTER WILL ALSO HAVE ITS OWN CAMERAS AND SECURITY SYSTEM. SO THE PROPERTY OWNER, DR. GEORGE SME, WROTE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR US FOR THE CITY COUNCIL WHERE HE REASSURES THAT CRIME IS NOT AN ISSUE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER. BY GIVING THE LIST OF MEASURES THAT THEY'VE TAKEN, LIKE THE 24 7 VIDEO SURVEILLANCE, THAT TWO-WAY AUDIO SYSTEM AND THE ON ONSITE SECURITY GUARD. SINCE IMPLEMENTING THESE CHANGES, CRIME HAS GONE DOWN 95% IN THE SHOPPING CENTER. AND HE ALSO GIVES HIS FULL SUPPORT FOR US BASED ON OUR GOOD TRACK RECORD AT THE CORONA AUTO LOCATION. SO THERE WAS CONCERNS THAT WE WOULD HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE NEARBY BUSINESSES, BUT IT'S NOTHING BUT THE OPPOSITE. WE HAND OUT ON AVERAGE $1,500 A DAY AT OUR ESTABLISHED RECYCLING CENTERS. AND THIS MONEY IS SPENT NEARBY BUSINESSES. NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS HAVE TO DRIVE TO OTHER CITIES RIGHT NOW TO RECYCLE, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY'RE MOST LIKELY SPENDING THIS MONEY IN THOSE OTHER CITIES. IT ALSO HELPS REDUCE DEBT FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES BY BRINGING MORE MONEY INTO THE COMMUNITY. AND AGAIN, IT'LL HELP THE TAKE THE BURDEN OFF THE SEVEN MAJOR GROCERY STORES AND LOTS OF SMALL CONVENIENCE AND LIQUOR STORES THAT ARE REQUIRED BYLAW TO BUY THE CRV CONTAINERS. UH, OMAR HAD MENTIONED ABOUT THE, THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS A DAY, THEY ACTUALLY GOT RID OF THAT. SO EVERY STORE IS SINCE, UH, JANUARY, EVERY STORE IS REQUIRED TO BUY THE, UH, THE CANS AND BOTTLES. AND THAT'S FOR SMALL LIQUOR STORES AND, AND, UH, CONVENIENCE STORES ALSO. THEY, UH, MEET THE, THE SALES MARK. SO THERE [02:35:01] WERE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW RECYCLING CENTERS WERE BRING BUGS OR RODENTS BECAUSE OF CANS AND BOTTLES, BUT WE USE THE RIGHT CONTAINERS AND WE MOVE THEM REGULARLY. SO THIS ISN'T AN ISSUE FOR US, BUT IF YOU HAVE ALL THESE SMALL GROCERY AND LIQUOR STORES BUYING CANS AND BOTTLES, THEN THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE GONNA START GETTING THESE PROBLEMS. LIKE, UM, BUGS AND RODENTS. YOU KNOW, THERE WERE CONCERNS THAT WE WERE NEAR RESTAURANTS AND WE WOULD BRING THESE PROBLEMS TO RESTAURANTS, BUT WE AREN'T, BUT WE USE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT AND WE AREN'T NEAR ANY RESTAURANTS. ALL THESE GROCERY STORES, CONVENIENCE STORES AND LIQUOR STORES AROUND THE CITY THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BUY CRV, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE NEAR RESTAURANTS AND THEY'RE NOT USING THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT. IT ALSO HELPS KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD CLEAN. AGAIN, LIKE I MENTIONED, IT HELPS INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO, TO RECYCLE INSTEAD OF LITTERING THEIR CANS AND BOTTLES. SO THESE ARE THE UNSERVED ZONES THAT WE'LL BE SERVING. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LITTLE RED DOT, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE. UH, THIS ZONE, THIS LOCATION WILL HELP ALL OF NATIONAL CITY BE COMPLIANT WITH COW RECYCLE. AND EVERY STORE IN THAT, IN THOSE CIRCLES WON'T HAVE TO, UH, ACCEPT THE CANS AND BOTTLES. SO THE, JUST THE MAIN POINTS WE WANT YOU GUYS TO REMEMBER IS THAT THIS, THIS WILL SERVE, SORRY, LEMME FIND IT. THIS WILL PROVIDE NATIONAL CITY WITH A MUCH COMMUNITY SERVICE. IT BRINGS, THE PROGRAM IS MEANT TO BRING MORE MONEY INTO LOCAL COMMUNITIES. AND AGAIN, IT'S SPENT, WE HAND OUT ON AVERAGE $1,500 IN CASH THAT GOES DIRECTLY BACK INTO LOCAL COMMUNITIES. OUR PRESENCE WILL ALSO HELP KEEP THE AREA CLEAN AND SAFE. MORE PEOPLE AROUND ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THESE HIDDEN AREAS HELPS DETER ANY UNWANTED ACTIVITY, ILLEGAL DUMPING AND LOITERING. IT ALSO ADDS MORE CAMERAS TO THESE HIDDEN AREAS. AND AGAIN, IT TAKES THE BURDEN AWAY FROM ALL THE LOCAL GROCERY AND CONVENIENCE STORES. SO, JUST TO CLOSE IT UP, WE HEAR THE CONCERNS RAISED ABOUT SPACE, POTENTIAL, NOISE, CRIME, AND TRAFFIC. HOWEVER, WE WANNA REASSURE THE COUNCIL THAT OUR CONCLUSIONS ARE BASED ON PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE AND NOT SPECULATION. WE WERE NOT INVESTED TIME, RESOURCES, OR EFFORT INTO THE LOCATION THAT WE WERE NOT COMPLETELY CONFIDENT IN. WE SUCCESSFULLY OPERATED LOCATIONS IN SMALLER SPACES, CLOSER TO HOUSES AND APARTMENTS, AND IN BUSIER SHOPPING CENTERS, ALL WITHOUT INCREASING CRIME, CAUSING TRAFFIC ISSUES OR GETTING NOISE COMPLAINTS. OUR PRESENCE HAS ACTUALLY HELPED REDUCE ILLEGAL DUMPING, IMPROVE SAFETY, AND IT SUPPORTS LOCAL BUSINESSES. SO, AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, WE EXPECTED THE PROJECT TO BE WELL RECEIVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO WE DIDN'T BRING A PRESENTATION AT THAT TIME, BUT WE FEEL THAT IF WE HAD PRESENTED THE INFORMATION YOU'VE SEEN TODAY, THAT THEIR CONCERNS WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER ADDRESSED. BUT WE HEAR THEIR CONCERNS. BUT BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE, WE BELIEVE THAT WE WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT THESE CONCERNS WILL NOT BE ISSUED AT THIS SITE. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME, AND WE HOPE TO HAVE YOUR SUPPORT. ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE'RE HERE TO PUBLIC SPEAKERS. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE MAY, MAY CALL YOU BACK UP LATER POSSIBLY. OKAY. UM, WITH THAT, I DO HAVE TWO PUBLIC SPEAKERS. AMANDA ROJAS, YOU FOLLOWED BY DOYLE MORRISON, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS CHIEF ALEX HERNANDEZ. UM, MY NAME IS ROJAS, OH, I'M SORRY. AND I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND, UH, THE SMART AND FINAL SHOPPING CENTER. WE'VE BEEN LONGSTANDING RESIDENCE SINCE 1974, MY MOM, SINCE 1965. MM-HMM . WE HAVE ENDURED, UM, A LOT OF ACTIVITY RIGHT BEHIND SMART AND FINAL SHOPPING CENTER. UM, WE, I'M HERE TO REPRESENT OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. AND, UH, WE RESPECTFULLY URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO UPHOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DENIAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE PROPOSED MOBILE RECYCLING CENTER. MY HUSBAND RICK ROJAS AND I HAVE BEEN THERE, LIKE I SAID, UH, LONGSTANDING. AND WE ALREADY ENDORSE SIGNIFICANT ONGOING PROBLEMS, CONSTANT IDLING OF THE DELIVERY TRUCKS, DAY AND NIGHT, FREQUENT POLICE ACTIVITY, INCLUDING SIRENS, LIGHTS AND LOUDSPEAKERS, CAR RACING, BURNOUTS, LATE NIGHT NOISE DISTURBANCES, PEOPLE RUMMAGING THROUGH TRASH BINS, EVEN IF IT'S LOCKED UP AND LEAVING LITTER, CONTINUOUS FOOT AND VEHICLE TRAFFIC. USING THE ALLEY AS A SHORTCUT, ADDING A MOBILE RECYCLING CENTER WOULD INTENSIFY THE PROBLEMS. IT WOULD BRING MORE NOISE, MORE TRAFFIC, MORE LITTER, AND MORE LATE HOUR ACTIVITY DIRECTLY BEHIND OUR HOMES. THIS LOCATION IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR A RECYCLING CENTER, MOBILE OR OTHERWISE. DUE TO THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO FAMILY RESIDENCES, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE THE CORRECT DECISION BASED ON REAL VISIBLE ONGOING IMPACTS. FOR THESE REASONS, WE RESPECTFULLY ASKED THE CITY COUNCIL TO DENY THE APPEAL AND AFFIRM THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DENIAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. [02:40:01] ALSO, SWEETWATER ROAD IS OF DOWN L AVENUE TO N AVENUE IS A SHORTCUT TO PLAZA BOULEVARD, AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE ALREADY. AS WELL AS THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT FOR DRIVE VOICE ON EACH SIDE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. OKAY. DOYLE MORRISON. HELLO AGAIN, EVERYBODY. UH, IN REGARDS TO THIS RECYCLE CENTER, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I SAW IN, IN THE PRESENTATION THAT ARE INACCURATE. I JUST DID A GOOGLE MAP OUT, AND THAT RESIDENCE THAT HAS THE POOL UP ON, UH, ON TOP OF THE HILL IS 50 FEET AWAY, NOT 150 FEET AWAY. AND I SAW ON THERE THAT THE TRUCKS WILL BE GOING DOWN THE ALLEY AND, AND GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR EXIT BEHIND ALL OF THOSE BUSINESSES. AND IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN BACK THERE, YOU HAVE TO GO REALLY SLOW BECAUSE THERE'S DIVOTS AND DRAINAGE DITCHES AND ALL THAT STUFF. AND THOSE LARGE TRUCKS, WHEN THEY GO OVER IT, I KNOW THIS BECAUSE WE HEAR 'EM WHEN THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF OFFSET ON THE FREEWAY, WHEN TRUCKS GO BY, IT GOES KUNK AND YOU HEAR IT FOR MILES. LIKE, UM, SO THOSE RESIDENTS ARE GONNA HEAR THOSE TRUCKS WHEN THEY'RE COMING BY. THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA POP OVER. AND THESE TRUCKS AREN'T SMALL TRUCKS. IT'S NOT LIKE A LITTLE DELIVERY SERVICE TRUCK. AND SO IN THE EVENT THAT THAT ALLEY GETS BLOCKED IN ANY WAY, ARE THEY GONNA GO UP EL AVENUE? THERE'S A SIGN IN THEIR PRESENTATION ON THE CORNER THAT SAYS FIVE TONS MAX. THOSE TRUCKS EMPTY, ARE MORE THAN FIVE TONS. THAT'S ONLY 10,000 POUNDS. THOSE TRUCKS ARE, YOU CAN PROBABLY ASK THE, UH, APPLICANTS, THEY'RE GONNA BE MORE THAN THAT. THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I SAW IS THAT ON THEIR DIAGRAM, IT SHOWED THE SDG E TRANSFORMER, THE GREEN BOX WITH THE BALLARDS AROUND IT, IT SHOWED IT OUT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, A LITTLE, UM, OFFSET FROM THE BUILDING, LIKE THE, THE BACK CORNER OF THE BUILDING. IT'S ACTUALLY INSET FURTHER. SO THEIR CONTAINERS ARE GONNA BE FURTHER NORTH. IT'S GONNA IMPACT THOSE PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE OVER THERE. I THINK SITE, LIKE I SAID, I THINK RECYCLING IS A GREAT THING. I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS THAT'S, THAT'S THINGS THAT I CHERISH AND, AND I PUSH FOR, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, RECYCLE CENTER. MAYBE THEY CAN FIND A BETTER PLACE AND, AND DO THE GOOD WORK THAT THEY DO. BUT, UH, PLEASE UPHOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DENIAL. THANK YOU. YOU RIGHT. UH, THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE. COULD WE HAVE A, UH, MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. THIS IS JUST TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. AND FOR THE RECORD, THERE WAS ONE WRITTEN COMMENT FOR THE ITEM. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, WITH THAT COMMENTS OR ANYTHING FROM COUNSEL FOR THE CHAIR? YES. OH, SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER, I DO HAVE A COMMENT. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE, UM, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT PROVIDED THEIR INPUT ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE, UM, INTERESTED IN PROVIDING THIS SERVICE. ALSO, THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION THAT YOU SHARED WITH ME WHEN YOU MET, UH, WITH ME. UM, I DIDN'T WATCH THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, BUT I DID GET ENOUGH INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE A DECISION BASED ON THE INFORMATION THEY HAD AT HAND, UM, THROUGH MY BRIEFINGS WITH STAFF. AND THEN, OF COURSE, HEARING YOUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU SORT OF DID YOUR HOMEWORK. YOU, THE APPLICANTS DID THEIR HOMEWORK. YOU CERTAINLY HEARD, UH, WHAT THE ISSUES WERE THROUGH THE EXPERIENCE THAT YOU HAD FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAME AND, AND APPROACHED US, UH, VERY SINCERELY, I FEEL, I FEEL THAT YOU, UH, ARE VERY SINCERE IN WANTING TO PRESENT YOUR PROJECT AGAIN. UM, AND YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, DOYLE MENTIONED, MR. MORRISON MENTIONED, UM, YOU'RE A SMALL BUSINESS. YOU'RE INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING A SERVICE FOR THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, WHICH IS NEEDED. THAT IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT DOES, UM, DRAW ME TO, UH, SUPPORT YOUR PROJECT, IS THAT THIS IS A SERVICE THAT IS NEEDED IN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, RIGHT? I MEAN, BY STATUTE, UH, WE DO REQUIRE RECYCLING IN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. AND IT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. UM, I THINK A BURDEN THAT YOU WOULD REMOVE FROM EACH OF THE RETAILERS IS PROB IS A GOOD THING. UM, ALL OF THOSE GREEN CIRCLES THAT YOU SHOWED IN YOUR DIAGRAM, I THINK IS A POSITIVE FOR THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. SO, UM, ALSO SHOWING, YOU KNOW, I'M TAKING YOUR WORD FOR IT, RIGHT? I, I DON'T KNOW, OTHER THAN WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED TODAY, [02:45:01] BUT, UM, SHOWING YOUR OTHER LOCATIONS AND THEIR PROXIMITY TO OTHER, YOU KNOW, TO OTHER RESIDENTS. UM, AND, AND ACCORDING TO YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, YOU'VE BEEN OPERATING THERE FOR YEARS, UM, ACCORDING TO YOU, THERE HAVE BEEN NO COMPLAINTS. UM, THAT, THAT'S INFORMATION FOR ME TO, UM, REALLY CONSIDER THAT PERHAPS THIS IS A GOOD THING AND I'M WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK. AND I DO HEAR, UM, THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE UP ON THE HILL, UM, I HAVE DRIVEN BY THAT LOCATION. I ACTUALLY USED, THAT WAS MY VERY FIRST JOB. I USED TO WORK IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER, UM, FOR ONE OF THE OPTOMETRISTS. HE'S, UM, HE'S ACTUALLY STILL THERE, DR. MARLEY. UM, I WORKED THERE FOR YEARS AS A RECEPTIONIST AND I USED TO DRIVE, HE USED TO PARK BACK THERE BEHIND HIS BUSINESS. AND I USED TO DRIVE BACK THERE. BACK THEN, IT WASN'T A SMART AND FINAL, BUT, UM, I WOULD DRIVE IN THAT AREA. SO I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THOSE. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SPEED BUMPS AND ALL OF THAT. I KNOW THAT THERE'S A BUNCH OF STRAY CATS THAT LIVE UP ON THAT HILL. SO, UM, IT, IT, IT DOES HELP TO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME OF THE ACTIVITY THAT IS UNWANTED THAT HAPPENS BACK THERE CURRENTLY, UM, MIGHT BE DISSUADE FROM HAPPENING BECAUSE NOW THERE WILL BE THIS ACTIVITY AND THERE WILL BE, UM, UH, CAMERAS AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PEOPLE AROUND. SO, SO THAT MIGHT HELP TO, TO DISSUADE SOME FOLKS FROM, YOU KNOW, LOITERING AND, AND DOING THINGS THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING. SO, SO I'M WILLING TO GIVE THAT A TRY. THANK YOU. UM, CAN I ASK THE APPLICANTS COME BACK UP? I JUST GOT A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. SOMETHING WAS BROUGHT UP, IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT, 'CAUSE BEHIND THE SHOPPING CENTER THERE, THERE IS, THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIPS, A BUNCH OF GRADING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND YOU GET TRUCK. WHERE WOULD YOUR COUPLE THINGS THIS, HOW OFTEN WOULD DO YOUR TRUCKS NORMALLY DO A PICKUP? IT'S ABOUT, UH, ONCE TO START IT. UH, THE CORONADO LOCATION IS BEEN THERE SINCE JANUARY. WHEN WE STARTED, IT WAS ONCE EVERY TWO WEEKS. RIGHT NOW WE'RE ONCE EVERY WEEK, MAYBE SOMETIMES FIVE DAYS, BUT OKAY. IT'S NOT TOO OFTEN. OKAY. SO IT, IT'S AN INFREQUENT THING. THE OTHER THING IS I, YOU KNOW, I JUST LOOKING AT, I CAN'T SEE ANY REASON THAT THEY WOULD BE GOING UP THAT HILL. UH, I, I WOULD THINK THEY'D BE COMING OFF OF PLAZA. WELL, THERE'S NO REASON TO GO UP THAT HILL ANYWAY. I, I WOULD THINK, UH, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA GO PLAZA TO GO FREEWAY AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF AND THEN GO BACK OUT. SO, UH, SO I DON'T THINK YOU EVEN GO ON THAT BACK. THERE'S NO REASON TO GO BACK ON THAT. AND HOPEFULLY YOU WOULD DISCOURAGE ANY TRUCKS FROM EITHER GOING UP THAT HILL OR THERE, YOU SAID YOU, YOUR OWN TRUCKS ARE DOING THIS. RIGHT. SO WE HAVE, SO YOU CONTROL THAT, CONTROL THAT WHEN WE, WHEN WE WANT IT PICKED UP, IT'S NOT BUSY OR OKAY. ALRIGHT. OR HOURS OR EARLIER IN THE DAY OR, OKAY. OKAY. JUST THE TRUCK'S ALSO STORED AT THE, AT THE MAIN LOCATION, WE HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL SITE. SO IT'S, THERE'S NO IDLING OF THE TRUCK OR ANYTHING. IT JUST SHOWS AT THE PICK UP AND IT TAKES OFF RIGHT AWAY, SO. OKAY. AND SO APPROXIMATELY ONE TRUCK LOAD A WEEK, RIGHT? YEAH, ABOUT ONE TRUCK LOAD. OKAY. AND THERE, AND THE TRUCK, I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A THREE ACTUAL TRUCK. IT'S NOT A A RIGHT. A PULLING A TRAILER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. FAST BEAM. THANK YOU. UM, A A COUPLE OF THINGS WE'RE, WE'RE, WE GET INTO KIND OF A QUANDARY ON THIS BECAUSE, UM, STATE LAW SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE RECYCLING CENTERS. UM, AND THEY DO HAVE THIS CONVENIENCE ZONE SAYING THAT IF YOU ARE A CI UH, CRV PROVIDER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RECYCLING WITHIN ONE YEAR. UH, I MEAN ONE YEAR, ONE MILE RADIUS. UM, AND NATIONAL CITY DID HAVE A NUMBER OF RECYCLING CENTERS. THEY WENT OUTTA BUSINESS BECAUSE THE, THE STATE CAME UP WITH THIS GREAT IDEA. THE WAY THE STATE CAN MAKE MORE MONEY IS THEY, THEY WOULD TAKE MORE OF THE MONEY FROM THE RECYCLERS AND LET THE RECYCLERS KEEP LESS OF THE MONEY, AND THEREFORE THEY COULD PUT THAT INTO THE GENERAL FUND. WELL, WHAT IT DID IS JUST PUT 'EM ALL OUT OF BUSINESS. SO, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, GREAT SACRAMENTAL LOGIC. UH, SO THAT'S THE REASON THEY HAVEN'T COME DOWN ON US FOR NOT HAVING A RECYCLING CENTER. 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE PUT 'EM OUT OF BUSINESS. WE HAVE NOT DENIED ANY. BUT NOW WE'RE IN A POSITION TO WHERE SOMEONE IS ASKED TO BRING ONE IN. AND IF WE DENY IT, THEN WE GET IN TROUBLE, UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HAVING THAT SERVICE, WHICH, AND IT'S, IT IS, UH, A STATE BILL CALLED AB 9 39, AND IT'S THE, UH, UH, OH, UH, UH, BASICALLY DEALS WITH RECYCLING AND, AND, AND TRASH AND THE, UH, WHICH DICTATES ALL OF THIS STUFF. AND THERE'S ONLY KIND OF ONE SPOT IN TOWN THAT YOU CAN MAKE ALL OF THE, ALL THE MAJOR GROCERY STORES, WHETHER IF IT IS SMART AND FINAL. I'M, I'M THINKING OF WALMART, OF COURSE. UH, YOU HAVE, UH, MANO, UH, YOU HAVE VITA. [02:50:01] I'M TRYING TO THINK, I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE MORE THERE THAT ARE MAJOR ONES. THERE'S ONLY ONE SPOT WHERE YOU HIT ALL OF THOSE WITH ONLY ONE RECYCLING CENTER. AND THAT'S BASICALLY IN THIS AREA HERE. 'CAUSE IF YOU, MOST OF THOSE ARE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF ONE MILE. UM, AND THEN THAT GIVES US TOTAL COVERAGE. SO THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN. BUT AS I SAY, WE'RE KIND OF REGULATED BY THE STATE SAYING WE HAVE TO ALLOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE RECYCLING AND WE HAVE TO HAVE IT IF IT'S REQUESTED WITHIN THAT ONE. UH, ANYTHING THAT'S WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS. AND OTHERWISE, AS WAS MENTIONED, I KNOW THAT THE FINE DEAL HAS BEEN THROWN OUT AS OF JANUARY 1ST, WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER OF THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS A DAY. BUT OTHERWISE, THEY GOTTA START TAKING THE RECYCLING INSIDE THE STORE. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANT TO BE WAITING IN LINE AND YOU GOT PEOPLE CARRYING BAGS OF RECYCLABLES IN, INTO THE GROCERY STORES. UM, SO IT, IT KIND OF CATCHES US INTO A BIND ON, ON ALL OF THIS. AND, UH, ANOTHER THING, AND, AND I'M, I'M SORRY, DOYLE. SOMETIMES I AGREE WITH YOU, SOMETIMES I DON'T. BUT I THINK GOOGLE HAD THAT ONE WAY WRONG. IT IS NO WAY IN THE WORLD THAT'S 50 FEET AWAY. UH, THE RECYCLING CENTER OVER TO THE WALL THAT STARTS LEADING UP TO THOSE HOUSES IS AT LEAST 50 FEET. UH, AND, UH, UM, THE, UH, SO IT, IT IS, IT IS QUITE A DISTANCE. AND YOU HAVE THE, THE HEIGHT ELEVATION. UM, I DON'T KNOW OF ANOTHER PLACE IN TOWN THAT COULD COME ANYWHERE NEAR TO MEETING THE SPECIFICATIONS TO MEET ALL THOSE, THE NEEDS THAT WOULD NOT HAVE A HE MUCH HEAVIER IMPACT UPON NEIGHBORS THAN THIS ONE. UM, YOU KNOW, AND IF IT WAS LEFT TO US, WE'D SAY, NO, YOU JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU THROW EVERYTHING INTO YOUR FLUX CAPACITOR AND LET IT DRIVE YOUR CAR WITH, YOU KNOW, YOUR ALUMINUM CANS OR WHATEVER. BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE, THE SITUATION WE HAVE. WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO HAVE RECYCLING AND WE HAVE TO HAVE IT BY STATE STANDARDS. AND, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY, UH, IN HEARING SOME OF THE THINGS, I DID NOT EITHER WATCH THE, UH, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, BUT I HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS THAT SPOKE ABOUT IT. AND I DO BELIEVE THEY ADDRESSED A NUMBER OF THINGS IN THEIR PRESENTATION TONIGHT. UH, IS IT PERFECT? ABSOLUTELY NOT. UM, BUT AS I SAY, WITH ONLY BASICALLY ONE TRUCKLOAD PER WEEK, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A CONSTANT, UH, GROUP OF, UH, UM, VEHICLES GOING. UH, WE DO HAVE, AS I SAY, THE ONE RECYCLING CENTER DOWN THERE AT FOOD FOR LESS. THAT'S IN SHULA VISTA. AND THE ONLY THIN ONES THAT MEET IS THE FOOD FOR LESS. AND THE L SUPER IS THE ONLY ONES THAT IT TAKES CARE OF WITHIN THAT CONVENIENCE ZONE. SO ALL THE OTHER GROCERY STORES, LIQUOR STORES, CONVENIENCE STORES, EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, NONE OF THEM ARE SERVED BY THAT ONE. UH, BUT THIS ONE BASICALLY TAKES CARE OF THE WHOLE REST OF THE CITY. UM, SO IT, IT KIND OF PUTS US IN A QUANDARY ON HOW TO MEET THE STATE REQUIREMENTS AND YET HAVE AS LITTLE IMPACT UPON NEIGHBORHOODS AS POSSIBLE. AND, UM, AND ALSO, UM, I KNOW IN THE PAST WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY REQUEST IN A GOOD NUMBER OF YEARS FOR, UH, A CRV CENTER. AND THE ONES WERE NORMALLY PEOPLE THAT HAD NO EXPERIENCE DOING IT. AND SO, UH, AND THEY JUST AT THAT TIME SAW A GOOD WAY TO MAKE QUICK MONEY. AND THAT WAS BEFORE THE STATE CHANGED ALL OF THEIR, THEIR REGULATIONS. SO IT'S A, UH, UM, IT'S REFRESHING TO SEE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ACTUALLY GOT A TRACK RECORD AND, AND EXPERIENCE DOING THIS. BUT ANYWAY, MEMBER IMANI. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT, UM, FOR, UM, THOUGHTFULLY, UM, REACHING OUT TO US TO EXPLAIN OR TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES AND CONCERNS THAT A PLANNING COMMISSION HAD BROUGHT UPON. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS, UM, THIS, UM, APPLICATION, I HAD BRIEF, UH, CONVERSATION WITH A CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS WITH REGARDS TO TRAFFIC, AND I'M SURE THAT THAT'S ALSO BEEN ADDRESSED. I ALSO HAD SEEN THAT, UM, YOU'RE CUTTING OFF YOUR BUSINESS TIME, UH, YOUR HOURS FROM NINE TO FIVE, UM, SO MONDAY TO SATURDAY. SO I, I THINK SOME OF THOSE, UM, ISSUES AND CONCERNS WERE KIND OF MITIGATED HERE. UM, I KNOW JUST LIKE WHAT, UH, MAYOR SAID, IT'S NOT, WE, WE ARE, WE ARE GOING TO BE MONITORING IT. UM, WELL STAFF WILL BE MONITORING IT, UM, BASED ON THOSE, UM, THOSE, UM, CODE, CODE CONFORMANCE AND, AND, UH, UM, THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO AS A, UH, RESPONSIBLE, UM, BUSINESS, UH, PERSON IN NATIONAL CITY. SO, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT THIS, UM, WITH, WITH YOUR, UM, WITH YOUR ASSURANCE [02:55:02] THAT, UM, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO BE THAT GOOD RESPONSIBLE BUSINESS IN NATIONAL CITY. THANK YOU, MR. ST. JOHN. OKAY. YES. YEAH. SO THANK YOU TO THE, UM, TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS FOR, FOR COMING AND SPEAKING. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS GOING INTO DETAIL ABOUT ALL THESE, UH, CONCERNS. THE NOISE, THE TRAFFIC, UH, THE LITTER. UM, YOU GIVING FACTUAL EXAMPLES OF HOW YOU ALREADY OPERATE YOUR BUSINESS. THEY DON'T WANNA REPEAT EVERYTHING. UM, MY COLLEAGUES SAID BY LARGELY, UM, I, I AGREE WITH IT THAT IT'S A NEED. UM, IT'S GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. WE NEED RECYCLING CENTERS. WE WANT TO REDUCE ANY IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTS. AND I, I DO WANT TO THANK, UH, MISS, IS IT AMADA? AM AMADA AM AM MISS AMADA, UM, AND FOR, UM, DOING COMMUNITY ORGANIZING AND REACHING OUT TO YOUR NEIGHBORS AND RESIDENTS, UM, I DO FEEL LIKE HE ADDRESS, THEY ADDRESSED, UH, THE BUSINESSES. LIKE A LOT OF, UM, ME CONCERNS WITH IDEAS. AND WHAT I WOULD ASK FOR, FOR YOU GUYS, UM, IS TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND TO GET THEIR CONTACT IF THEY'RE, UM, IF YOU GUYS ALLOW, UH, GET EXCHANGE CONTACT INFO BECAUSE IF THERE IS ISSUES, WHETHER IT'S NOISE OR LITTER OR TRASH, UM, I THINK IT'S BEST TO, YOU KNOW, JUST BE, BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND THEM, UM, TELL YOU DIRECTLY. BUT YOU COULD ALWAYS CALL OUR CITY WHEN THERE ARE THOSE, UM, POTENTIAL COMPLAINTS, NOISE VIOLATIONS, TRASH, LITTER, UH, WHEN WE HAVE RESIDENTS, UH, UH, TALK TO US OR OUR STAFF HAS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE TO ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES, ESPECIALLY OUR CODE COMPLIANCE. I WANNA GIVE THEM A SHOUT OUT. SO WE DO, I, UM, I, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE MAJORITY OF US DO APPROVE THIS, BUT I DON'T WANT, UM, UH, YOU TO THINK THAT WE'RE IGNORING YOUR CONCERNS. 'CAUSE WE HEAR YOUR CONCERNS. I I DO WANT TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, BE IN BUSINESS. 'CAUSE IT IS A NEED FOR THE CITY RE UM, FOR, UM, FOR OUR ENTIRE CITY. UM, AND I EXPECT THEM, AND I THINK ALL OF US ARE, ARE BEING CLEAR WITH THEM THAT THEY NEED TO ADDRESS THOSE, WHICH I THINK THEY AT LEAST HAVE. AND THEN IN THE FUTURE TO BE PROACTIVE, IF THEY COULD KEEP THE COMMUNICATION WITH YOU ALL AND YOU GUYS EXCHANGE, UH, INFO. SO IF THERE'S, THERE ARE ISSUES TO JUST TRY TO WORK, UH, UH, TOGETHER TO DIRECT IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT NOISE, UM, OR KINDA LITTER ANYTHING. AND WE RESPECT YOU GUYS AS LONG-TERM RESIDENTS. SO WE THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. UM, AND I, AND I DO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR THE APPLICANTS FOR PROACTIVELY REACHING OUT. THANK YOU FOR THE TENANTS THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S CRITICAL TO HAVE COMMUNITY VOICES IN THE PROCESS, SO THANK YOU. UM, I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION REGARDING THE, UM, SDG AND E ELECTRICAL, UH, BOX THAT'S THERE. ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WITH THE PROPOSAL AND THE, UM, ELECTRICAL BOX THAT'S, THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE? UH, AND THROUGH THE CHAIR AND ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, THERE ARE BOLLARDS AROUND THAT FACILITY, WHICH ARE INTENDED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S STILL ACCESS TO THAT BY TECHNICIANS. UH, THE, AND THAT'S MOSTLY BECAUSE THERE'S THE PARK THREE PARKING SPACES DIRECTLY TO THE EAST. THE, IF PEOPLE WOULD BACK UP INTO THAT TRANSFORMER OR THAT ELECTRICAL BOX RATHER, THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE. SO, UH, PROVIDED THERE IS STILL ACCESS TO THAT AREA, THAT THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE. OKAY. UM, YEAH, NO, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, I, I DEFINITELY HEAR THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY. UM, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT HAVING MORE FOOT TRAFFIC WILL MAKE THE AREA A LITTLE, UM, UH, SAFER. UM, UH, I GO THERE ALL, ALL THE TIME. I ACTUALLY GO TO SMART AND FINAL, I GET WATER FROM THE LITTLE CORNER STORE. SO, UM, IT IS, UH, ESPECIALLY IN THE EVENINGS, UM, A LITTLE CONCERNING, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE MORE FOOT TRAFFIC AND IN, IN DOING SO, I THINK IT'LL BE A SAFER, UH, PLACE TO, TO, TO BE IN THE CITY. SO I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEP. MAYOR, ARE YOU READY FOR A MOTION? YES, MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CUP BEFORE US TO APPROVE THE APPEAL. IS THAT, THAT WHAT I, OH, OKAY. SECOND. MOTION WILL SECOND. AND I HOPE THAT THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORS THERE WILL NOT SEE THIS AS A REBUFF TO THEM IN ANY WAY. UH, BUT IT IS A PROPOSAL THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. AND, UM, AND HAS, I THINK AS MINIMAL IMPACT OF ANY PLACE WE COULD PUT IT, UH, I THINK WITHIN THE CITY. UM, SO I CERTAINLY WOULD, WOULD NOT WANT THE, THE NEIGHBORS TO THINK THAT ANY WAY THAT WE ARE NOT, UM, COGNIZANT OF ANY ISSUES. AND IF ANY ISSUES DO COME UP, UM, STAFF WILL WILL BE THERE. OKAY. , I, I GUARANTEE YOU. UH, SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND [03:00:01] PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT. EXCUSE ME, MR. MAYOR, CAN WE TAKE A QUICK FIVE MINUTE BREAK? IT'S BEEN THREE HOURS AFTER THE START OF THE MEETING. OKAY. WE'RE GETTING FILLED UP. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, BUT LET'S TRY TO KEEP IT FIVE MINUTES SO WE CAN, THANK YOU. KEEP GOING WITH THIS. ALRIGHT. UH, I'M GOING TO, UH, CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER WITH, UH, WE HAVE FOUR MEMBERS PRESENT, UH, MEMBER RODRIGUEZ. WE'LL STEP IN IN A MOMENT. UM, WITH THAT WE DO HAVE A, UH, [11.4 Introduction and First Reading of Land Use Code Amendment to Restore Omitted Sections 18.10.060, 18.11.120, 18.22.020, 18.30.310, 18.30.340 & 345.] WE GO TO 11 FOUR. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, AN INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING OF LAND USE CODE AMENDMENTS TO RESTORE OMITTED SECTIONS OF 18 POINT 10.060, UH, 18 POINT 0.1 20, UH, 1822, UH, POINT 22.0 20, UH, 18 POINT 30 POINT 310. AND, UH, 1830 0.3 40 AND 3 45. NOW WE'VE GOT THROUGH ALL THOSE NUMBERS, UH, WITH THAT, UH, STAFF REPORT. UH, THANK YOU MARY. YOU SAVED ME SOME TIME THERE. UH, MARTIN READER, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, EVERYONE. SO, UH, WE DID A VERY SIMILAR PROCESS TO THIS. I I WANNA SAY IT WAS LAST YEAR AT THIS POINT. UH, WE UNFORTUNATELY HAD A BIT OF AN OVERLAP BETWEEN WHEN WE STARTED THE FOCUS GENERAL PLAN UPDATE PROCESS, AND THEN THERE WERE SOME SUBSEQUENT CODE AMENDMENTS THAT WENT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AFTER THE START OF THE FOCUS GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. SO OUR CONSULTANTS THAT DID THAT PROCESS HAD THE LAND USE CODE THAT WAS IN PLACE AT THAT TIME WHEN THEY STARTED BACK IN 2021. AND THESE SIX SECTIONS THAT WERE RELATED TO RULES OF MEASUREMENT, INTERIM USES, ALLOWED LAND, USES TATTOO PARLORS AND BODY PIERCING ESTABLISHMENTS AND MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES AND CULTIVATION. THOSE SIX AMENDMENTS THAT WERE ADOPTED WERE, UH, THEY WERE IN THE CODE, THEY WERE ON OUR WEBSITE WHEN WE ADOPTED THE RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES RELATED TO THE FOCUS GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, IT OMITTED THOSE SECTIONS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T AROUND, UH, IN THE ORIGINAL PAPERWORK. SO, UH, IT WAS AN OVERSIGHT CLERICAL ERROR. UH, THERE IS NO CHANGES, THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO ANY OF THESE SIX SECTIONS. THEY'RE EXACTLY HOW THEY WERE ADOPTED BY COUNCIL. AND WE JUST NEED TO BASICALLY PUT THEM BACK IN SO THAT THEY WILL, UH, SHOW BACK UP ON OUR CITY WEBSITE IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE. SO THAT'S REALLY THE CRUX OF IT. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THOSE SIX SECTIONS. THIS IS JUST PUTTING THEM, RESTORING THEM BACK INTO THE CODE. ALRIGHT. UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE, UH, STAFF REPORT? SEEING NONE, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DO NOT THINK WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS. AND WITH THAT, COULD WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? MOVE TO CLOSE MR. CHAIR. SECOND DOUBLE CHECK AND LOOK AT MY SLIP SHOW ONE MORE TIME. MAKE SURE I'M NOT MISSING ANYTHING. NOPE. UM, OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. CAN YOU PLEASE PUSH HIM IN THERE? EDITH, YOU'RE STILL NOT IN THERE. IT WON'T, YOU WON'T. NO. I, I'LL TRY. I'LL PUSH THE ONE MORE TIME. OKAY. I'M GONNA, GONNA REDO. OKAY. THERE. NOW YOU GO THERE. NOW. THERE, THERE THEY GO. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MO ONE MOMENT. MAYOR, THERE'S ONE SPEAKER ON ZOOM. THERE IS A SPEAKER ON ZOOM. OKAY. CORRECT. I DIDN'T GET MY ZOOM LIST. THIS THIS TIME. IT WAS EMAILED OUT, BUT YOU GUYS ARE IN CLOSED SESSION. OKAY? MM-HMM . THANK YOU. WHEN THE VOTE'S UP, I CAN'T, YOU CAN'T HEAR ME OR SEE ME. SO, UH, HER NAME IS, UH, PEGGY WALKER. GO AHEAD AND SPEAK PE PEGGY. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I SEE THESE CHANGES RELATED TO PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES OF MARIJUANA BUSINESSES HERE WITH THESE CODED AMENDMENTS. AND AS THE PUBLIC HEALTH EDUCATOR INVOLVED IN YOUTH SUBSTANCE USE PREVENTION, THIS JUST SEEMED A GOOD TIME TO ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF ADDITIONAL REC UH, REGULATIONS TO HELP PREVENT ADDICTION AND PSYCHOSIS, SCHIZOPHRENIA AND A GROWING NUMBER OF THOSE LIFE SHORTENING PHYSICAL AILMENTS THAT RESULT FROM TODAY'S MARIJUANA USE. WITH ITS HIGHLY ENGINEERED THC, YOU DEMONSTRATED SUCH GREAT COGNIZANCE OF TOBACCO'S HARMS AND TOOK STEPS TO PROTECT YOU FROM NICOTINE WITH THE TRL ORDINANCE. AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT. I URGE YOU TO BECOME EQUALLY INFORMED ABOUT THE HARMS OF THC, WHICH OFTEN EXCEEDS THOSE OF TOBACCO. AND TO CONSIDER ENACTING REGULATIONS THAT GO [03:05:01] BEYOND THESE CODES, UM, THAT APPLY NOT ONLY TO BUILDINGS, BUT PROTECT A PUBLIC LARGELY UNAWARE OF THE HEALTH RISKS OF HIGH POTENCY. THC REC REGULATIONS RECOMMENDED BY THE STATE AUDITOR PROVIDED GUIDELINE. THEY INCLUDE RESTRICTIONS ON KID FRIENDLY MARKETING FLAVOR BANS AND THC CAPS. UM, IN EUROPE THERE'S A 10% CAP. WHY SHOULD WE ALLOW PRODUCTS WITH 90% AND HIGHER THC? UM, JUST ONE MORE COMMENT. RANDOM RANDOMIZED CLINICAL TRIALS FAILED TO SUPPORT MARIJUANA FOR MOST MEDICAL CONDITIONS FOR WHICH IT'S PROMOTED. UM, THE PUBLICATION JAMMA REPORTS AND 29% OF INDIVIDUALS WHO USE MARIJUANA FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES MET CRITERIA FOR ADDICTION IN THEIR STUDY. THAT MEANS THEY ARE ADDICTED. IT JUST SEEMS THAT IT'S TIME TO RECOGNIZE THC AS PERNICIOUS AS NICOTINE AND TO ENACT APPROPRIATE REGULATIONS. THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY CONCERNS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS FOR THAT COMMENT. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, COULD WE, UH, HAVE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? CLOSE. SECOND. OKAY. WITH THAT, UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. THIS IS AN INTRODUCTION AND FIRST READING. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? MOVE FOR MOVE FOR APPROVAL. OKAY. MIGHT PUSH YOUR BUTTON AGAIN. THERE. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S IN THERE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. SEE NO DISCUSSION. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. NEXT WE [12.1 Approval of an Amendment to the Lease and Operating Agreement Between the City of National City and American Golf Corporation for the Operation of the Las Palmas Municipal Golf Course to Extend the Term Five (5) years to October 31, 2030.] GET INTO STAFF REPORTS. FIRST ONE IS APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT TO THE LEASE AND OPERATING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND NATIONAL CITY AND THE AMERICAN GOLF CORPORATION FOR THE OPERATION OF LOS PALM MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE TO EXTEND THE TERM FIVE YEARS TO OCTOBER 31ST, 2030. STAFF. THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MIKE PACHECO, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. AND THE ITEM YOU HAVE HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AGREEMENT WITH AMERICAN GOLF CORPORATION. AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO JUST POINT OUT, AMERICAN GOLF CORPORATION IS HERE TONIGHT AND THEY'LL BE HERE TO OUT ALSO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. AND IF I COULD ADVANCE THE NEXT SLIDE HERE. THANK YOU. UM, SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO EXECUTE AN AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT WITH AMERICAN GOLF CORPORATION FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION OF THE NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE TO EXTEND THE AGREEMENT BY FIVE YEARS. UH, NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT A FEW KEY TERMS HERE. UM, THIS IS ADDITIONAL FIVE YEARS, WHICH WILL GO TO OCTOBER 31ST, 2030. AND THIS INCREASES THEIR RENT FROM 72,000 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO $28,000 INCREASE. AND THIS IS ALSO GOING TO INCREASE $15,000 WITH F AND B PRO SHOP, BRINGING UP THE, UM, GROSS REVENUES TO 10% STANDARD ACROSS THE BOARD. AND THEN THERE'S A NEW FUND REQUIRING 2% OF THE MONTHLY GROSS INCOME FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. UH, OF COURSE SUBJECT TO CITY APPROVAL BEFORE USE, WHICH IS ABOUT 40,000. SO THIS WILL INCREASE THE, UH, REVENUE OF, UH, 83,000, UH, PER YEAR. UH, JUST A COUPLE LAST THINGS HERE. UM, THERE'S ALSO AN INDEMNITY INDEMNIFY AND, UH, HOLD HARMLESS ADDED. UM, WE ALSO ARE GONNA REQUIRE ANNUAL CAPITAL EXPENDITURE REPORT AND FIVE YEAR CAPITAL NEEDS STUDY EVERY FIVE YEARS. AND THEN MONTHLY MEETINGS SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, THE OPERATIONS REVENUE AND, AND THE MAINTENANCE SPECIFICALLY TO SEE WHAT WE NEED TO BE REPAIRING WITH THE 2% CAPITAL, UH, THAT WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING. AND THEN AGAIN, THIS IS JUST GONNA ADD, UM, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT THE COURSE FEES AGAINST THE MARKET CONDITIONS. AND AGAIN, THE RECOMMENDATION WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IS TO ADOPT RELU RESOLUTION TO EXECUTE THE AMENDMENT WITH THE AMERICAN GOLF CORPORATION. AND WITH THAT, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YOU MAY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? YES. YES. SO THANK YOU, UH, MIKE AND WELCOME AGAIN, UH, ON BOARD 'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S PRETTY RECENT. UM, SO [03:10:01] ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, I HAD MY BRIEFING FOR STAFF HA HAVE YOU MIKE, UH, REVIEWED THE LAS PALMAS PARK AND FACILITIES VISION, UH, CONCEPT PLAN. AND HAS THAT BEEN IN, TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THIS CONSIDERATION OF THE RENEWAL OF THE LEASE OR ADDING ANY OF THE AMENITIES IDENTIFIED IN THAT REPORT INTO THE DISCUSSIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS WITH AMERICAN GOLF? UM, I APOLOGIZE. I HAVE NOT, I'M NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH THAT DOCUMENT. YOU'RE NEW, SO THAT'S WHY I, YEAH. OKAY. UM, SO SO YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SEE THAT OR, OR REVIEW THAT? NO. COME ON. YOU'VE BEEN ON THE JOB FOR A WHOLE TWO WEEKS. YEAH. YOU READ EVERYTHING ? NOT YET. OKAY. AND THEN IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC ANALYSIS, SO THE ORIGINAL LEASE WAS 83,000 PER YEAR. UM, 72. 72,000. YEAH. SO THAT WAS CONSISTENT FROM SINCE 1984. UM, SO OR WHAT WERE THE ESCALATORS, UH, SINCE THEN? BECAUSE, SO MY ISSUE, I THINK THIS IS WHAT 20, IS IT 26 OR 40 ACRES IS GOLF COURSE? BECAUSE ON THE CONCEPT PLAN I SEE 40 ACRES, BUT MAYBE, I THINK IT MIGHT BE 26 ACRES. YEAH. YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, UM, GONNA REACH OUT TO, UH, AMERICAN GOLF. 'CAUSE I THINK THEY MIGHT KIND OF KNOW THAT RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD. I DON'T IF JOSE HAS THAT ANSWER AND IF NOT, YOU CAN JUST CAN COME UP LATER AND ANSWER THAT. BUT BEFORE YOU DO, I JUST 'CAUSE MY GENERAL COMMENT FOR STAFF AND JUST IN NEGOTIATIONS, IT'S A LOT OF CITY OWNED PUBLIC LAND AND VERY LITTLE REVENUE. AND SO IT'S JUST MY CRITIQUE OF THIS IS THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH EFFORT, UM, THAT WE'VE PUT INTO NEGOTIATING BACK AND FORTH WITH, UH, AMERICAN GOLF ON REVENUE, UM, EXPANSION POTENTIAL. LIKE, SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE BON THE BONITA GOLF COURSE, I THINK IT MIGHT BE TECHNICALLY THE CHULA VISTA GOLF COURSE, BUT ON BONITA ROAD, LIKE THEY HAVE A LOT OF AMENITIES. THEY OPENED THEIR, UM, OUTDOOR AREA A COUPLE YEARS AGO. I'VE ATTENDED A FEW EVENTS, UH, TO, UM, LIKE THEY HAVE MUSIC AND INVITE THE PUBLIC. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT LIKE NIGHTTIME EVENTS OR EVEN QUINCEANERA. SO I, I JUST, I NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF THAT. AND YOU'RE NEW AGAIN, SO LIKE I'M NOT, UH, POINTING THE FINGER AT YOU, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED. SO CAN YOU TOUCH, UM, ON ANY OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU OR ANY OF YOUR PREDECESSORS HAVE HAD? YEAH, THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO ARE YOU ASKING IF THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR PRIVATE KIND OF PARTIES THERE? YES. WITHIN THIS, WELL, WITHIN THIS, BECAUSE IN THIS, UH, LEASE AGREEMENT, I, I'M JUST NOT SEEING KIND OF SOME OF THOSE AMENITIES. I'VE TALKED TO STAFF BEFORE ABOUT THAT. I DIDN'T REALLY SEE, UH, REFLECTED IN HERE. UM, OKAY. SO YEAH. YEAH. I, AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE ONE THING I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE, UM, I'VE KIND OF CLARIFIED THE, THE REVENUE PIECE. SO LIKE THE LAST COUPLE FISCAL YEARS, UM, LIKE FISCAL YEAR 24, UM, WE HAD ALMOST 150,000 IN REVENUE. UM, PREVIOUS WAS 200 AND ALMOST 220,000 IN REVENUE. SO THAT WOULD MEAN IF WE, IF WE JUST STAYED STATUS QUO AND WE DIDN'T MAKE, YOU KNOW, MUCH MORE MONEY, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE 300,000 PROJECTED REVENUE BECAUSE IT'S AN EXTRA 80,000 ON TOP OF THAT. GOT IT. SO APOLOGIES FOR THE NUMBERS WEREN'T TOO CLEAR. UM, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF THIS QUESTION FROM AMERICAN GOLF CORPORATION MIGHT BUILD TO ANSWER IF THEY THINK THERE'S ANY KIND OF SPECIAL PRIVATE RENTALS THAT WOULD, UM, BILL TO HELP. I DON'T KNOW. YOU THINK? OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO, UH, THIS IS JOSE MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JOSE GOMEZ. I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER OF NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF PRESENTING A COUPLE MONTHS, UH MM-HMM . AGO WITH YOU WHERE WE STAYED HERE A LITTLE LATE AT . IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT STAYING THAT LATE TONIGHT. UM, ONE THING THAT WE'VE DONE A VERY EFFECTIVE JOB IN NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE, UH, IS THAT WE ARE, WE HAVE ESTABLISHED OURSELVES AS MEMORIAL ON A GOLF COURSE. WE ARE A, A, A MULTI-GENERATIONAL COMMUNITY HUB. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, UH, MR. BUSH, WE DO HOST A LOT OF EVENTS, SIR. UH, AND A LOT OF NON GOLFING EVENTS, COMMUNITY EVENTS, MULTICULTURAL EVENTS, UM, PAMPA PAN PACIFIC AMERICAN HERITAGE EVENTS WHERE, UH, PEOPLE COME OUT. UH, WE HAVE LIVE MUSIC, UH, UH, MEXICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE EVENTS WHERE WE INVITE LOCAL SCHOOLS TEACHERS. UM, THEY COME OUT. WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD MARIACHIS, WE'VE HAD LOCAL NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NATIONAL CITY PROUD FOR US. IT'S NOT NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE, IT'S NATIONAL CITY COUNTRY CLUB. LIKE, WE'RE REALLY PROUD, UH, WE INVITE LOCAL ARTISTS OUT HERE AND IT'S FREE ADMISSIONS TO ABSOLUTELY EVERYBODY. NOW WE DO HAVE, WE'VE HOSTED, UH, A, A WIDE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT EVENTS, UM, FUNDRAISING EVENTS, UM, TOURNAMENTS, THAT'S GOLF, BUT ALSO, UM, AGAIN, FREE ADMISSION LIVE EVENTS FOR THE FOUNDATION SUCH AS CANCER RESEARCH. UM, NOW WITH WHAT, WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH IMMIGRATION ISSUES, WE JUST HOSTED AN EVENT WHERE SOMEBODY CAME OUT AND, UH, THEY RAISED SOME FUNDS TO, FOR PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD LEGAL SERVICES. THEY CAME OUT AND WE, WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM. SO WE ARE VERY ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND IS IN USING OUR FACILITY IN A MUCH MORE THAN A GOLF ORIENTED ONLY, UH, FACILITY. SO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK WE HAVE, [03:15:01] UM, THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. WE'RE OPEN TO IDEAS. UM, BUT I THINK WE, WE, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ADHERE AND ANSWER A LOT OF OUR, UH, LOCAL RESIDENTS, UM, CONCERNS AND HELP THEM WITH, UH, VERY IMPORTANT SUBJECT MATTER. SO. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, WHILE WE GOT HIM UP HERE, LET'S SHOWER HIM WITH ANY QUESTIONS. YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, SO, SO THINK, I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE NAME AGAIN? SO I CAN WRITE DOWN AND THEN CONNECT WITH YOU? JOSE GOMEZ. JOSE GOMEZ. OKAY. UM, SO NO, THANK YOU JOSE FOR THAT INFORMATION. UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAD, UH, WITH YOU ALL AS A TENANT IS, UM, UH, THE BRIDGE. AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IN TALKING WITH OUR STAFF AND OUR LEGAL, UM, UH, OUR LEGAL TEAM IS YOU ARE, ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. AND THAT HASN'T GOTTEN DONE. I DO UNDERSTAND, UH, THE HESITATION ABOUT IMPLEMENTING THAT WITHOUT AN EXTENDED LEASE, BUT BECAUSE IT HAPPENED YEARS AGO, I, I JUST, IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN THAT, UM, UH, BECAUSE THAT WAS AN OBLIGATION AND IT WASN'T DONE. AND NOW IT'S CREATING THIS LIABILITY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE CITY IN JEOPARDY. THAT CONCERNS ME OF, AND ESPECIALLY FOR EXTENDING A LEASE LIKE FIVE YEARS. SO, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT YEAR THAT BRIDGE WAS TAKEN OUT? SO THE TIME THAT WAS, AND THEN WHY IT WASN'T, UH, DONE IMMEDIATELY? ABSOLUTELY. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, THAT BRIDGE, IF, IF, IF THERE WAS EVER SOMETHING I COULD GET FOR CHRISTMAS, IT'S THAT BRIDGE, UH, AS A GIFT THAT IT HAPPENED THREE YEARS AGO, SIR. UM, ONE THING THAT WE'VE BEEN ACTUALLY VERY PROACTIVE, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT HERE FROM OUR LOCAL, UH, UH, PATRONS. AS SOON AS IT HAPPENED, WE IMMEDIATELY CONTRACTED SOUTH BAY ENGINEERING FOR THEM TO START THE ENGINEERING, UH, THE, THE, THE PERMITTING, ET CETERA. WE SUBMITTED PERMITS TO THE CITY. UM, WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, CONSTANT COMMUNICATIONS BACK AND FORTH FROM THE CITY WHERE WE HAVE EMAILS GOING BACK AND FORTH. UM, ONE OF THE MEN, ONE OF THE FIRST CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD WAS, UM, THEY DIDN'T WANT THE, THE OLD BRIDGE THAT IS STILL THERE, I GUESS. UM, PART OF IT TOUCHES THE CREEK. SO FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, THEY DON'T WANT IT TOUCHING THE CREEK ANYMORE. WE SUBMITTED PLANS TO THOSE SPECIFICATIONS, IT GOT KICKED BACK. THEY'RE LIKE, NO, NOW YOU GUYS NEED TO MAKE REVISIONS ON THIS. WE MADE IT REVISIONS. WE'VE BEEN EXTREMELY QUICK ON CORRECTING ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN ASKED FROM US. WE RESUBMITTED THEM. IT GOT KICKED BACK TO US AGAIN. WE MADE, UH, AND JULIAN ALVAREZ WAS OUR MAIN ENGINEER. WE ACTUALLY HAD A PHONE MEETING WITH, UH, UH, I, I DON'T REMEMBER THE, THE CITY ENGINEER THAT WAS ASSISTING US WITH THIS. UM, AND WE SAID LIKE, HEY GUYS, LIKE THIS HAS ALREADY, IT'S BEEN KICKED BACK TWICE. WE'RE GONNA MAKE THESE CORRECTIONS. WHAT'S GOING ON? WE HAVE SINCE THEN, SUBMITTED IT FOR A THIRD TIME. UM, TRACY WAS ASSISTING US WITH THIS. WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATIONS WITH THEM MOST RECENTLY. UM, WE, THE, THE MOST RECENT INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE IS, IT NOW GOT KICKED TO A THIRD PARTY, UM, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT THE CITY, IT'S MV FIVE ENGINEERING. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE SECOND TIME THAT IT'S BEEN KICKED OUT TO, UH, OR SENT OUT TO A, UH, SET, A THIRD PARTY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. WE'VE BEEN CONTACTING WITH YVONNE, WHO WORKS FROM THAT. I'VE BEEN REALLY, UH, DILIGENT IN FOLLOWING UP, LIKE, WHAT'S THE STATUS WITH IT? THEY, SHE TOLD US THAT SHE FOUGHT, SHE, THEY RECEIVED A HUGE CASE FILE OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS FROM THE CITY AND THAT THEY WOULD EVENTUALLY GET TO US. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE HAVEN'T PROACTIVELY SUBMITTING PLANS. WE JUST NEED CITY APPROVAL FOR THE PERMITTING. THAT WAY WE CAN FINALLY MOVE FORWARD. SO, SORRY, ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UM, AND WE'LL TALK WITH CITY STAFF LEADER, SO I'M NOT POINTING THE FINGERS, BUT THAT THE DELAY HAS BEEN ON OUR END AND YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST ONE TO SAY THAT. YES, SIR. SO I'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE SIMPLY AND, AND ONE, ONE THING THAT WE'VE A, WE'VE CONSTANTLY MADE IT CLEAR AMERICAN GOLF. UM, MY VP PAUL BALLAM, JOY SHELTON, WE'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT OUR MAIN GOAL IS TO GET THAT REPAIRED FOR OUR PATRONS. AND YES, THERE IS A CITY, THERE IS A SAFETY ISSUE. WE ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND. THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS THAT WE'VE ALWAYS PRESENTED. AND WE HAVE EMAILS AND CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD REPEATEDLY SAYING LIKE, HEY GUYS, CAN WE GET THE PERMIT BACK? CAN WE GET IT APPROVED? THAT WOULD BE START THE NEXT PHASE. SO I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. YOU DID ON THAT, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CANDOR ON, ON, ON THAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YES, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. I THANK YOU MR. GOMEZ FOR BEING BEFORE US. I HAVE QUESTIONS AND THESE ARE, UM, SUBMITTED BY, UM, ONE OF MY FAVORITE SPEAKERS, MR. GOTCH. I WILL BE ASKING QUESTIONS BASED OFF OF THE EMAIL THAT HE SUBMITTED EARLIER TODAY. UH, AND JUST IT, IT PERTAINS TO THE CONTRACT. UM, I UNDERSTAND THE LENGTH OF THE CONTRACT IS FOR FIVE YEARS AND, AND I JUST WANNA GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR BY AMERICAN GOLF WITHIN THESE FIVE YEARS, AND WHETHER SOME OF THESE REQUESTS FROM ONE OF YOUR PATRONS OR, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, THE GOLFERS THAT, THAT GOLFS AT YOUR PLACE, UM, WHETHER THERE'S PLANS WITHIN THESE FIVE YEARS TO COVER SOME OF THIS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE TREES. UM, WHAT IS YOUR, YOUR PLAN FOR TRIMMING TREES? HOW OFTEN ARE THEY TRIMMED? WHAT, HOW DO YOU TAKE CARE OF, OF THE TREES ON YOUR [03:20:01] FACILITY? SO WE ARE VERY PROACTIVE IN, UM, IDENTIFYING ANY TREE WORK THAT NEEDS TO, WE USUALLY CON CONTRACT OUT HERE. IT'S CROWN POINT CLIPPERS. IT'S A THIRD PARTY COMPANY THAT WE, UH, AMERICAN GOLF, UH, CONTRACT OUT FOR THEM TO DO IT, UM, WHENEVER LOCAL STORMS THAT HAPPEN. SO TREE WORK, IT'S AN ONGOING, PROACTIVE WAY THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UM, MR. SACH, HE'S, HE'S ONE OF OUR STRONG PATIENTS WITH, PLAYS HER, UH, REGULARLY. SO WE WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS WITH HIM A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT HE HAD ON THOSE, ON THOSE EMAILS. UM, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, TREE WORK, IT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS. WE IDENTIFY IT, AND IF WE HAVE CROWN POINT CLIPPERS OUT THERE, I WOULD SAY FOUR OR FIVE TIMES A YEAR, I WOULD SAY IT'S, IT'S SLOW, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE PROACTIVE IN TRIMMING. IF WE SEE ANY, UH, TREES THAT NEED TO BE REMOVED, WE GET, WE HAVE 'EM REMOVED. THEN AGAIN, SAFETY OF OUR, OF OUR GOLFERS IS ALWAYS AT THE, AT THE FOREFRONT OF WHAT WE DO. OKAY. WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME THE, THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU USE FOR THE GROUNDS KEEPING? YES. UH, THE MOWER AND THE ROLLER MACHINE. UM, IS THAT EQUIPMENT, ARE THERE PLANS TO HAVE SOME OF THAT EQUIPMENT REFRESHED OR REPLACED? UM, WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THAT EQUIPMENT CURRENTLY? IS IT ADEQUATE ENOUGH FOR THE WORK THAT IT NEEDS TO DO FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? SO, SO THE, THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE IS ADD ADEQUATE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO OUR JOB AND KEEP THE COURSE IN THE VERY, UM, I BELIEVE, UM, ABOVE PAR CONDITIONS THAT WE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ATTRACT A NEW, UH, DEMOGRAPHIC OF GOLFER AS WELL BECAUSE OF OUR CONDITIONS. BUT, UM, TO ANSWER THAT, THAT THOSE, THAT, THAT QUESTION IN MORE DETAIL, I KNOW THAT THERE, IN SHORT, YES, WE DO HAVE PLANS TO UPGRADING OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR EQUIPMENT, BUT I DON'T WANNA SPEAK OUT OF THE TERM THAT WOULD, I WOULD'VE TO HAND OVER TO MY VICE PRESIDENT, UH, PAUL BALLAM, PLEASE. UM, GOOD EVENING. THANKS FOR, FOR HAVING US. UM, YEAH, WE DO ROUTINELY REPLACE OUR EQUIPMENT. UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WHEN WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LONGER TERM AHEAD OF US, WE CAN START PUTTING THOSE PLANS IN MOTION, EITHER BUYING EQUIPMENT OR, OR ENTERING INTO NEW LEASES. OUR LEASES ARE TYPICALLY FIVE YEARS, SO WHEN WE ENTER INTO A LEASE, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW WE HAVE THAT RUNWAY FOR THOSE THINGS. UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, OUR PLAN IS TO CONTINUE TO UPGRADE THE EQUIPMENT AT THE PROPERTY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, WHAT ABOUT REPLACING THE SAND IN THE, UH, GOLF COURSE BUNKERS? I THINK, UM, UH, THE SAND NEEDS A REGULAR REPLENISHMENT AND MAINTENANCE, UH, IT APPEARS, HASN'T BEEN AS REGULAR AS IT SHOULD BE. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT REPLACING THE SAND? WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THAT? HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN? UM, WELL, HOW LONG SHOULD YOU, WOULD YOU SAY THAT HAPPENS? WE, WE DO PLAN TO ADD SAND TO THESE BUNKERS. WE, WE, WE ARE WELL AWARE THAT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH SAND IN THOSE BUNKERS. SO OUR PLAN WOULD BE TO DO THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. UM, AS IN, IN EARLY IN THIS NEW TERM, HOW OFTEN WOULD DO WE REPLACE SAND REGULARLY IN BUNKERS? SO, SO WE STRATEGICALLY SELECT HOW MANY BUNKERS THROUGHOUT THE COURSE. SO DEPENDING ON WHICH COURSE AND MORE PLAYABILITY, MORE FOOT TRAFFIC, TAKE ONE STRATEGICALLY, WE'LL HAVE THAT SPOT ON ALY BASIS. BUT, UM, GOING FAST AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IMPORTANT. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO UPDATE THE BATHROOMS? YES, WE, WE ARE, WE ACTUALLY JUST HAD THEM, UH, REFURBISHED, UH, THROUGH ONE OF OUR LOCAL MANAGEMENT CITY RESIDENT, UM, VENDORS. UH, HE'S, UH, JOHN LOPEZ. HE HAS HIS BANK , BUT WE DO HAVE IT PLANS, UH, EARLY NEXT YEAR TO DO, UM, A REMODEL OF OUR ABOUT THAT. OKAY. UH, AND THEN LASTLY, UH, THERE IS AN, UM, THERE IS AN IDEA TO FORM SOME TYPE OF ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT DOES INCLUDE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE PATRONS OF THE GOLF COURSE, SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR DIRECTLY FROM FOLKS, YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE ON A MONTHLY OR A QUARTERLY BASIS. UM, MY INITIAL IDEA, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO ANYBODY ABOUT THIS, BUT WHEN I FIRST RECEIVED THIS PIECE OF ADVICE, MY INITIAL IDEA IS PERHAPS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD GO THROUGH OUR PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE HERE. UH, WE HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED A PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE. UM, UH, I THINK THAT TYPE OF DISCUSSION WOULD FIT VERY NICELY WITHIN THAT ESTABLISHED COMMITTEE. UM, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME PARTICIPATION FROM AMERICAN GOLF IN THAT TYPE OF DISCUSSION, BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT HAPPENING NOW, AND IT IS A REQUEST THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE VERY FRUITFUL, I THINK, UM, FOR YOUR ORGANIZATION, UH, AND THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY AS A WHOLE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I WOULD INVITE YOU TO, TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT AND COME AND LISTEN TO, TO, YOU KNOW, [03:25:01] SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS AND, AND WORK TOGETHER AND COLLABORATIVELY. UM, I THINK THAT'S ALSO A WAY TO BE IN TOUCH WITH STAFF. THE, THE PARKS AND REC MEETINGS ARE, UM, THERE IS A STAFF LIAISON THAT, THAT HOSTS THOSE MEETINGS ALONGSIDE THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE APPOINTED TO THAT COMMITTEE. BUT, UM, THAT IS ANOTHER VERY GOOD IDEA THAT THAT DID COME FROM MR. AK IS AN ADVISORY TYPE OF COMMITTEE THAT DOES ON A REGULAR BASIS, UM, PROVIDE INPUT, UM, ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE AND BUY THE GOLF COURSE TO THE GOLF COURSE. ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DO OUR BEST HERE AND HAVING MORE INFORMATION FROM ALL AREAS, I THINK IS, IS A GOOD APPROACH. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT. SO THOSE ARE MY 2 CENTS FOR NOW. UM, THERE IS A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT, I THINK DOES GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF PAUSE. UM, BUT, BUT I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING MORE, UH, ABOUT THE CONVERSATION FOR MY COLLEAGUES UP HERE. THANK YOU. AND IF I COULD, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, WE DID TALK A BIT WITH MR. ABOUT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND I THINK YOU KIND OF READ OUR MINDS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS MAYBE SPACE ON THIS COMMISSION. I AM THE, UM, UH, LIAISON AND THERE IS A CURRENT VACANCY RIGHT NOW. I THINK IT NEEDS A GOLFER ON THERE. SO, UM, TRYING TO TWIST HIS ARM HERE, AND THEN WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE TWO MORE, TWO MORE VACANCIES COMING UP IN THE SPRING. UM, SO I, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. WE DID TALK, THERE ARE SOME OTHER GOLF COURSES THAT THEY HAVE THAT DO, HAVE SOME COMMITTEES, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PROBABLY STEAL THEIR PLAYBOOK TO SEE HOW WE INCORPORATE THAT INTO THIS MONTHLY DISCUSSION OF WHAT, WHAT IS NEEDED THERE. SO THANKS FOR THE, THANKS FOR THAT IDEA. THANK YOU MR. GOTCHU, FOR SUCH, UM, INPUT. YOU KNOW, YOUR INPUT IS, IS VERY, UM, ALWAYS VERY ON POINT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIVE. THANK YOU. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THE GOLF COURSE IS SOMETHING THAT IS KIND OF DIFFERENT FOR NATIONAL CITY FROM THE STANDPOINT, UH, OTHER CITIES, THEY'VE GOT THESE OPEN SPACES, THEY GOT CANYONS, THEY GOT ALL THIS DIFFERENT STUFF. UM, OUR URBAN OPEN SPACE RESERVE IS THE WEEDS BEHIND THE BACKSTOP OF THE LITTLE LEAGUE FIELD. THAT'S BASICALLY ALL WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT FOR THE GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS NORMALLY LIMITED TO PEOPLE WHO GOLF, BUT NOT TO THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. SO THEREFORE, IT IS, IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE FEEL NEEDS TO REALLY BE TREATED KINDA SPECIAL. AND AT THE SAME TIME, AND I, I READ SOME OF THE LETTERS THAT CAME IN ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE THAN PEOPLE, AND THE ONE THING THEY KIND OF SAID WAS, WELL, IT'S REALLY GREAT BECAUSE IT'S MUCH CHEAPER THAN CHULA VISTA BONITA, AND IT GETS TO BE THE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE ONE THAT IS THE LEAST EXPENSIVE IN THE SOUTH BAY. UH, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE GET TO KIND OF SUBSIDIZE, YOU KNOW, THOSE CITIES, UM, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE LIVE IN THOSE CITIES DON'T WANT TO, DON'T WANNA PAY, SO THEY COME HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, BUT OUR DEAL IS, I MEAN, THE IDEA OF OPEN SPACE HERE IN NASHVILLE CITY IS A VERY PRECIOUS COMMODITY. AND THERE'S, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE KIND OF LOOK TO THE GOLF COURSE. WE SAY, HEY, IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING A LITTLE ON THE SPECIAL SIDE BECAUSE OF THAT. AND, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT IT, THEY SAY, IF IT'S NOT REALLY BEING USED A LOT AND IF IT'S NOT BEING, YOU KNOW, AND AS MUCH PUBLIC USE AND EVERYTHING ELSE AS POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, THEN WHY ARE WE HAVING IT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR OPEN SPACE OR FOR ANYTHING WITHIN THE CITY? UM, SO THAT'S THE REASON SOMETIMES WE, WE TREAT IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND WE MAY MAY GET ON YOU A LITTLE BIT HARSHLY SOMETIMES. AND, UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS, OKAY, WHAT IS, IF WE TALK ABOUT A FIVE YEAR LEASE, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS LOOKING FOR AS LOOKING AT AS FAR AS IMPROVEMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, CHANGES, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE PHYSICAL, UH, UM, PERFORMANCE OF, OF THE, OF THAT SPACE. YEAH, SO, WELL, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO GET THE BRIDGE DONE AS, AS WELL. YEAH, JOSE SAID, WE'VE BEEN WANTING TO DO THAT AND IT'D BE FANTASTIC TO TO MOVE THAT ALONG FOR THE COURSE FOR THE CITY, FOR OUR PATRONS. UM, BUT OVERALL INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENT OF, OF THE FACILITY. I MEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING BACK AT THE CLUBHOUSE JUST OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE INTERIOR, UM, MAKING IT MORE OF A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE MAYBE NON-GOLFERS WANT TO, TO GATHER, UH, MAKING A LITTLE MORE OF AN ENTERTAINMENT SPACE. SO, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU SPEAK MORE INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? OH, SORRY. THANK YOU. . UM, SO YEAH, MAKING, CONTINUING TO HAVE INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE RIGHT, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE RESTROOMS, YOU KNOW, THOSE COMING UP NEXT, UM, FIXING, GETTING, UM, THE MORE SAND IN THE BUNKER SO THE PLAYABILITY IS BETTER, UM, COMING UP WITH OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES AROUND THE CLUBHOUSE TO DRAW IN MORE NONGO, UM, PLAYERS. UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, WE, WE ARE AN INEXPENSIVE FACILITY. I MEAN, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE CHANGED RESIDENT RATES THERE IN 15 OR MORE YEARS. UM, THAT'S UNHEARD OF. [03:30:01] UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT MAKES IT ATTRACTIVE, I THINK, TO THE RESIDENTS. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO BALANCE THE EXPENSES AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN ALL WORK COLLABORATIVELY THERE TO BE ABLE TO, TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS, MAKE IT STILL AN AFFORDABLE FACILITY, BUT ALSO PROVIDE REVENUE TO THE CITY. UM, YOU KNOW, UM, COUNCILMAN BUSH, YOU, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, THAT'S JUST MINIMUM RENT. IF NOTHING HAPPENS, THAT'S GUARANTEED WHAT WE PAY IS THE GREATER OF MINIMUM OR PERCENTAGE RENT. AND WE TYPICALLY ARE IN PERCENTAGE RENT. AND THOSE PERCENTAGES NOW HAVE GONE UP IN THIS NEW DEAL. SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, THE THREE BENEFITS TO THE CITY. IT'S THE, THE GREAT OUTDOOR OPEN SPACE ASSET. UM, A RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY, GREAT GOLF COURSE, BUT ALSO REVENUE TO THE CITY FOR, FOR USE, UM, AS THE CITY SEES FIT AS THIS COUNCIL SEES FIT. UM, AND, AND I THINK WE CAN DO BALANCE ALL OF THOSE THINGS. THAT THAT'S OUR JOB AS MUNICIPAL OPERATORS. WE GOTTA BALANCE ALL THOSE THINGS. 'CAUSE IT CAN'T JUST BE ONE LOPSIDED AREA. 'CAUSE THEN WE'D BE SORT OF FAILING AS MUNICIPAL OPERATORS. WELL, I, WHETHER IT'S THE RATES, THE RESIDENT RATES HAVEN'T WENT UP OR WHATEVER, BUT IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENT GOLFERS HAS WENT UP THERE. UM, WE DID DO A COUPLE OF STUDIES 15, 20 YEARS AGO. AND CAN YOU SAY MORE? OH, I'M SORRY. YES. UM, WE DID DO STUDY ABOUT 15, 20 YEARS AGO, UM, AND WHERE WE KIND OF CHECKED EVERYBODY IN AND, AND WE FOUND OUT THAT THE RESIDENCY WAS OVERWHELMINGLY, I MEAN, WAY LOPSIDED, UH, BASICALLY CHULA VISTA, BONITA, AND THEN SOME SAN DIEGO THAT, THAT HAS WENT UP FOR NATIONAL CITY. AND IT'S OBVIOUS , WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GO DOWN THERE, YOU SEE, YOU SEE PEOPLE, YOU RECOGNIZE THERE ARE A WHOLE LOT MORE NOW THAN, UH, THERE FOR A WHILE. IT WAS BACK IN THOSE DAYS, UH, YOU ONLY RECOGNIZED THEM IF YOU HUNG OUT AT THE CHULA VISTA SHOPPING CENTER OR SOMETHING. . AND, UH, UM, THE, UH, SO YEAH, SO YOU KNOW, THAT, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WRITE ON ALSO SINCE IT IS THAT THAT PRECIOUS COMMODITY FOR US TO HAVE, HAVE A RECREATIONAL USE LIKE THAT IS THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THAT WE, WE REALLY DO CATER TO, TO OUR LOCAL, UH, LOCAL RESIDENTS. UM, BUT YEAH, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD, WE COULD SEE THAT THERE'S PART OF THE ONES, THE THING THAT WAS, I WAS BROUGHT UP IN THERE THAT THERE'D BE A YEARLY REPORT AND EVERYTHING ON EXPENDITURES. I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, A REPORT FROM YOU STARTING OFF THIS FIVE YEARS SAYING, HERE'S WHAT OUR PROJECTIONS ARE IN THESE DIFFERENT YEARS. HERE'S, WE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THINGS HAPPEN AND, YOU KNOW, UM, SOMETHING HAPPENS AND YOU HAVE TO FIX STUFF AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND THAT UNEXPECTED. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PLAN IS THIS YEAR, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE PLAN ON GETTING DONE THIS YEAR. THIS, SO WHEN YOU COME BEFORE US, WE HAVE THESE LIKE THRESHOLDS AND WE SAY, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WE WERE ABLE TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS, PLUS WE GOT OTHER THINGS DONE. OR SAY, WE ONLY GOT HALF OF THAT DONE. WELL, WHY? LET'S NOT LET IT STACK UP TO YEAR, YOU KNOW, 4.5 AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T GET THOSE, ALL THAT STUFF DONE, AND WE NEED ANOTHER FIVE YEAR EXTENSION BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, TO GET, JUST TO FINISH OFF WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET DONE IN THE FIVE YEARS. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL SO THAT WE HAVE SOME KIND OF TARGETING. AND, AND SOME OF THAT'S ON OUR FAULT AS FAR AS THE CITY. 'CAUSE WE REALLY HAVE NOT, UM, PAID THAT KIND OF ATTENTION, UH, IN WORK THAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH, WITH AMERICAN GOLF. BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE US HAVE THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DO SOME CHECKS AND BALANCE AND SEE HOW, HOW WE CAN HELP YOU OUT. BUT SAME POINT THEN, HOW, HOW YOU GUYS CAN GET YOUR, YOUR MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE TERRIFIC. OKAY. UH, YES, WE DO HAVE A GOOD NUMBER OF SPEAKERS TOO. JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR, UM, YOUR, UH, PRESENTATION. UM, WHEN I GOT THIS REPORT, I SAID, NO WAY, NO WAY. BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONE OF THE BEST ASSET, THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. BUT THANK YOU TO MR. PACHECO. HE EXPLAINED TO ME WHY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO GIVE YOU, THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WAS IN PLACE THEN. AND HE PLEDGED THAT HE WILL BE MONITORING YOUR BUSINESS FOR THE SAKE OF THE CITY, OF NATIONAL CITY. SO I WELCOME THIS NEW RELATIONSHIP THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE. I BELIEVE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WITH THIS, WITH THIS, UH, NEW CONTRACT THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, WE ARE GONNA BE MORE DILIGENT IN MAKING SURE THAT THE BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP IS THERE. WE, YOU KNOW, MEAN THIS IS ONE WAY FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE, UH, DOING WELL AS WELL AS THE CITIES ALSO GETTING AT LEAST THE BENEFIT OF HAVING AN ASSET AS LARGE AS THAT, BECAUSE I'M A REAL ESTATE BROKER, YOU HAVE ALMOST APPROXIMATELY [03:35:01] FOUR ACRES. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, NOT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST COMPUTE THAT 40, YOU KNOW, 40 YOU SAID? NO, JUST A GOLF COURSE ALONE. JUST THE GOLF COURSE. 'CAUSE YOU INCLUDE THE LAS PALMAS PARK. I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE GOLF COURSE. AND SO, UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S, UH, FOR ME, IT'S NOT COMMENSURATE TO THAT ASSET. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA GIVE THIS A TRY FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS AND SEE WHAT THE OTHER BENEFITS WE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, COLLABORATIVELY GOING TO, UH, GOING TO ACHIEVE, UM, AS A, UH, BUSINESS PARTNER, UH, FOR THIS, UH, GOLF COURSE. THANK YOU, MS. MAYOR. YES. UM, THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR COMING AND PRESENTING AND WORKING ON THIS EXTENSION, UH, WITH US AS A CITY. THE LAST TIME, UM, YOU ALL WERE BEFORE US YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A STAT THAT WAS A BIT ALARMING, UM, THAT STATED THAT ONLY 10% OF THE USERS OF THE GOLF COURSE WERE ACTUALLY NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS. DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATED NUMBER FOR THAT? SO LAST TIME WE PULLED, LAST TIME THAT WE PULLED OUT THAT DATA, WAS IT, IT WAS AROUND 30 TO 35%, SIR. WHEN WAS THAT? UH, WE, WE ACTUALLY, UH, WHEN DID WE PULL THAT FROM FOUR? AUGUST WAS THE LAST MM-HMM. YEAH, RIGHT BEFORE THE LAST PRESENTATION IN AUGUST. THE NUMBERS ARE AROUND 30%. 30% OF THE USERS ON A CONSISTENT BASIS ARE NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS. YES. OKAY. HOW DO WE INCREASE THAT NUMBER? AND I GUESS IT'S A CHALLENGE TO YOU ALL, BUT ALSO US AS A CITY, UM, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN 10%, WHICH WAS THE CASE YEARS AGO. BUT HOW DO WE MAKE IT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH OPEN SPACE IN THE CITY? UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS AND, AND OPEN SPACE IS ONE OF THEM FOR A GREAT DEAL OF, UM, FAMILIES. SO HOW DO WE MAKE THIS A RECREATIONAL SPORT THAT MORE OF OUR LOCAL POPULATION CAN ACTUALLY ENJOY? SO JUST WHEN WE, WE TALK ABOUT THE 10% OR THE 35%, THAT WOULD BE PEOPLE THAT ARE PLAYING GOLF OR HITTING GOLF BALLS. SO GROWING THE GAME OF GOLF, WE DO THROUGH JUNIOR CLINICS AND THINGS THAT JOSE AND HIS TEAM DO WITH THE HIGH SCHOOLS. AND HE HAS, HE CAN SHARE SOME OF THE STORIES OF, UM, YOU KNOW, HELPING OUT THE, THE, THE HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS GOLF TEAM TO STAY IN, TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO PLAY, UM, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, BEING ELIMINATED, UH, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO THAT THAT'LL HELP US GROW THE GAME. UM, BUT WE ALSO ARE LOOKING TO GROW JUST GENERAL USE OF THE PROPERTY. SO WE, EVEN THOUGH WE SAY IT'S 35% PLAYING GOLF OR HITTING GOLF BALLS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER FOLKS THAT HAVE COME ON OUT TO PICK GOLF BALLS, MAYBE COMING OUT FOR THE, UM, UM, THE EAST EGG HUNTS, THE COMMUNITY EVENTS. BUT IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO THOSE THINGS, AND THAT'S THE FUTURE OF, OF, OF GOLF FACILITIES, IS TO GET MORE AND MORE PEOPLE JUST USING THE SPACE, UM, LIKE HOSTING, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLK MUSIC NIGHTS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT, UM, IF YOU WANNA ELABORATE ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, SO, UH, TO ADD TO THAT, UM, YES, THAT PERCENTAGE IS ACTUAL PEOPLE CHECKING IN, GOING OUT, HITTING GOLF BALLS, BUT LIKE, WHAT, WHAT MR. BALLAM WAS SAYING. AND ONE THING THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO UTILIZE, ESPECIALLY IN THESE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, ARE IN A VERY EFFECTIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, NATIONAL CITY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, DAVID REPE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE DIDN'T BEFORE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE BEING VERY AGGRESSIVE WITH HOSTING MIXTURES, UH, ADVERTISING THESE COMMUNITY EVENTS THROUGH THAT PLATFORM. AND WE'VE SEEN HUGE AMOUNTS OF LOCAL NATIONAL CITY RESIDENT FAMILIES COMING, MULTI-GENERATIONAL FAMILIES COMING TO OUR EASTER EVENTS, CINQUE MAYO. UH, WE HAVE MARIACHI, WE HAD DJ, UM, WE HAVE, UM, LIKE I SAID, MEXICAN HERITAGE, UM, UH, LIKE FOOD OUT THERE. WE HAD KA SALAD TACOS. WE HAD, UH, A FILIPINO AMERICAN ORGANIZATION THAT CAME OUT AND THEY, THEY GAVE OUT LUMPIA AND, AND A BUNCH OF OTHER DELICIOUS FOOD THAT I SHOULDN'T BE EATING, BUT I ATE A LOT OF IT . UM, BUT WE SAW A LOT OF LOCAL FAMILIES COME OUT, LIKE LITTLE KIDS HAVING FUN. WE, WE WERE GIVING AWAY STUFF. UM, SO IF WE COULD GET THAT DATA, IT WOULD, THAT NUMBER WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY HIGH. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE COMMITTED TO BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, OUR GOAL ISN'T JUST TO BE A SUCCESSFUL GOLF COURSE. OUR GOAL IS TO BE A SUCCESSFUL COMMUNITY HUB, WHICH I THINK ANSWERS TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES, IT IS OPEN SPACE, BUT I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY PROACTIVE AND VERY EFFECTIVE INTO MAXIMIZING THE U UTILIZATION OF THAT SPACE FOR THE NON-GOLFERS, WELL, THE NON-RESIDENT NATIONAL CITY RESIDENT. UM, YEAH, HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. IF, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, IF I COULD ALSO ADD, I LOVE YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE I'VE JUST SEEN A LOT OF, UM, STATS WITH NON-RESIDENTS [03:40:01] FOR JUST RECREATION PROGRAMS IN, UM, A LOT OF CITIES ACROSS THE BOARD. AND THEY'RE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A 50%. IT'S JUST CRAZY TO EVEN SAY THAT. UM, AND SO I REMEMBER THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A THOUGHT PROCESS FOR A LONG TIME THAT SAID, LET'S JUST KEEP TAXING. THESE NON-RESIDENTS ARE COMING IN, USING OUR FACILITIES. AND THEN WE REALIZED, OH, WE JUST DROVE AWAY A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE. AND SO HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE THE PEOPLE TO COME? AND, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS A LOT OF GOOD, YOU KNOW, USAGE OF STATS WHERE THEY CAN SHOW WHERE DO PEOPLE COME BEFORE AND AFTER? DID THEY VISIT OUR, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES AFTERWARDS TO KIND OF BE LIKE AN ECONOMIC STIMULATOR? AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT QUESTION YOU HAVE FOR JUST ME, FOR RECREATION PROGRAMS IN GENERAL. 'CAUSE I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WITH A LOT OF OUR PROGRAMS. HOW DO WE GET MORE RESIDENTS INVOLVED? AND I'D REALLY LIKE TO, SORRY TO JUMP ON A SOAPBOX, BUT I'D REALLY LIKE TO DO LIKE A SURVEY COMMUNITY-WIDE AND SEE WHAT'S PREVENTING PEOPLE FROM DOING THESE THINGS IN OUR PROGRAMS. A LOT OF TIMES THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE THERE. SOMETIMES IT'S ECONOMIC, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE, WE DO CHARGE A LITTLE BIT MORE. THAT PUTS MONEY INTO A SCHOLARSHIP FUND AND WE COULD FUND FUND PEOPLE TO BE THERE. SO. GREAT. GREAT QUESTION. I THINK YOU'RE TOTALLY ONTO SOMETHING, SIR. UH, THANK YOU. UM, THERE WAS ALSO A CONCERN BROUGHT UP BY A RESIDENT THAT LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT A, UM, UH, A LEAKY, UM, SPRINKLER, WHICH WATER RAN INTO THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK ON SWEETWATER ROAD. HAS THAT ISSUE BEEN ADDRESSED YET? YES, SIR. SO AS SOON AS WE RECEIVED NOTIFICATION FROM THE, THE, THE RESIDENT, WE, WE LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET IT DONE IN, IN A TIMETABLE. WE OBVI WE IMMEDIATELY AUDITED THE SITUATION, MADE SURE THAT IT WASN'T A SAFETY CONCERN. UM, WE ALSO, ONCE WE MADE THAT REPAIR QUITE PROMPTLY, WE SENT PICTURES TO VICTOR FROM, UM, PARKS. SO HE RECEIVED IT. UM, AND WHEN WE RECEIVED FOLLOW UP, WE IMMEDIATELY, AND MR. ROD ALSO RESPONDED LIKE, YEAH, IT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED. SO WE, WE, WE WE'RE, WE TAKE ANY CONCERNS BROUGHT, UH, FORTH BY OUR, UH, LOCAL NEIGHBORS PRETTY SERIOUSLY. AND WE, WE ADDRESS IT ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY IF THEY, THEY CONSIDER IT A SAFETY CONCERN. I APPRECIATE IT. YOU'D BE SURPRISED AT HOW OFTEN I FORWARD EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS AND MESSAGES ABOUT BASIC THINGS LIKE THAT WOW. THAT EITHER INCREASE OR DECREASE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN NATIONAL CITY. SO MAKING SURE THOSE ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED IN A TIMELY MANNER IS CRITICAL SO THAT WE, WE CAN HAVE A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE. SO, THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I, I THINK ANOTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST THINKING OF NEW IDEAS, UM, BECAUSE AS I SAY, A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVE BY THAT THING EVERY DAY THAT LIVED HERE, INTERNATIONAL CITY, MOST OF THEIR LIFE. AND THEY JUST, THEY DON'T, IT'S KIND OF INVISIBLE. THEY JUST DON'T JUST, IT'S THERE ALL THE TIME, BUT THEY JUST DON'T REALLY SEE IT. AND IF THEY DO, IT'S 'CAUSE IT'S ABOUT GOLF AND THEY JUST HAPPEN TO NOT BE IN GOLF. UH, BUT AS I SAY, BUT AS I SAY, YOU TALKED ABOUT A FEW THINGS, YOU KNOW, EVEN UH, DURING THE SUMMER WE DO MOVIES IN THE PARK AND PEOPLE BRING THEIR BLANKETS OUT AND JUST SIT THERE AND IT'S LIKE GOING TO A DRIVE-IN EXCEPT YOU'RE ON BLANKETS AT THE PARK. COULD YOU IMAGINE DOING THAT IN THE GOLF COURSE AND HAVE SHOWING HAPPY GILMORE OR SHOWING CADDY SHACK, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU KNOW, INVITING THE COMMUNITY TO COME ON DOWN AND COME ON DOWN TO, TO WATCH A MOVIE. UH, AND TO YOUR POINT, UH, MAYOR MORRISON, THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON. THAT'S MM-HMM . CHARLES PHIL'S MY ASSISTANT. UM, WE WANT TO DO MOVIE NIGHTS IN THE RANGE. SO BASICALLY WE WE'RE WORKING, GET THE INFLATABLE AND INVITE EVERYBODY OUT, MAKE IT A, A PG UM, OH YEAH. MOVIES, BUT CONTINUE TO MAXIMIZE THAT COMMUNITY ELEMENT TO IT. MM-HMM. AND LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE IS NOT JUST A GOLF COURSE, IT'S A PLACE FOR EVERYBODY. AND TO YOUR POINT, I, WE REALLY DO WANNA MAXIMIZE THAT, NOT ONLY IN NATIONAL STATE, BUT AT OTHER PROPERTIES AS WELL, BECAUSE WE THINK IT REALLY BRINGS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. OKAY, GOOD. ALRIGHT. WE DO SOMEONE ELSE'S, GOT SOME, WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS HERE AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM 'EM, UH, AS THEY'LL CALL YOU UP THREE AT A TIME. SO FOR FIRST PERSON COME UP AND SPEAK, AND THE OTHER TWO PLEASE BE IN THE AISLE AND THAT WAY YOU CAN COME RIGHT ON UP. WE HAVE, UH, UH, DAVID ALIA, I PROBABLY MESSED THAT ONE UP. TED GODSHAW AND THEN DAVID POTTER. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS DAVID LIA. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF EXTENDING THE GOLF COURSE LEASE FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. BECAUSE THIS COURSE IS MORE THAN JUST THE LAND. IT'S A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY'S HISTORY AND IDENTITY. I'VE BEEN A PART OF NATIONAL CITY SINCE 1968 AND STILL LIVE HERE TODAY. I ATTENDED LAS PALM ELEMENTARY, NASHVILLE CITY JUNIOR HIGH AND SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL. MY SON EVEN PLAYED GOLF FOR SWEETWATER AND HELPED BRING HOME TWO BANNERS FOR THE SCHOOL. [03:45:01] SO WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS COURSE, I SPEAK AS SOMEONE WHO ROOTS RUN DEEP HERE. OUR MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE HAS BEEN SERVING COMMUNITY SINCE THE SEVENTIES. IT'S AFFORDABLE, EASY TO WALK, AND ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT FOR SENIORS WHO RELY ON A SHORTER, MORE ACCESSIBLE COURSE. THEY CAN RENT A CAR IF THEY WANT, OR SIMPLY ENJOY A PLEASANT WALK OUTDOORS, SOMETHING THEY CAN'T DO AT A LARGER, MORE EXPENSIVE COURSES. IT'S NOT JUST THE SENIORS WHO BENEFIT. OUR LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL MIDDLE SCHOOLS USE THIS COURSE FOR THEIR GOLF PROGRAMS, GIVING KIDS A SAFE LOCAL PLACE TO PRACTICE. AND WITHOUT IT, THESE PROGRAMS LOSE THEIR HOME. THIS COURSE IS ALSO ONE OF THE FEW NIGHT LIT DRIVING RANGES AROUND ALLOWING RESIDENTS TO ENJOY GOLF AFTER WORK OR IN THE EVENINGS. AND IT'S A PLACE WHERE OUR DIVERSE COMMUNITY, PEOPLE FROM ALL BACKGROUNDS COME TOGETHER AND CONNECT. THIS CITY HAS RECENTLY UPDATED THE OPERATING AGREEMENT TO IMPROVE MAINTENANCE OVERSIGHT LONG-TERM INVESTMENTS THAT SHOWS THE CITY RECOGNIZES THE VALUE OF THIS COURSE AND BRINGS THE ROLE IT PLAYS IN OUR PARKS AND RECREATIONAL GOALS. EXTENDING THIS LEASE DOESN'T JUST KEEP A GOLF COURSE OPEN. IT PRESERVES A HISTORIC, INCLUSIVE, AND IRREPLACEABLE SPACE THAT SITS AT THE HEART OF NATIONAL CITY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, TED GOT SHOCK FOLLOWED BY DAVID POTTER, FOLLOWED BY MATEO GARCIA. I'VE PLAYED NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE FOR 35 YEARS, AND MY FATHER-IN-LAW, MY SWAG PLAYED THERE BEFORE THAT. AND HE WAS MY FIRST COACH. THANK YOU FOR DISTILLING MANY OF MY POINTS IN MY LETTER. I WORKED WITH TRACY LAMB TO GET SOME OF THESE IDEAS STARTED. I PLAN ON DONATING, COMMITTING THE SAME ENERGY THAT I PUT INTO THE OTHER OPEN SPACE IN NATIONAL CITY CALLED PARADISE CREEK EDUCATIONAL PARK. THAT WE BRING THE NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE UP TO THE STANDARDS THAT WE SEE IN OTHER CITIES. UH, YOU'VE BROUGHT UP THE BRIDGE. CHECK THAT OFF. THEY'VE SAID THEY'RE GONNA FIX IT. WE'VE PUT UP WITH IT FOR A LONG TIME. I HAVE STARTED TO KNOW THE, THE MANAGERS HERE AND THE OUTSIDE MANAGERS THAT HAVE COME INTO TOWN, AND THEY SEEM DEDICATED TO WHAT I ALSO FEEL IS IMPORTANT AT NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE. THE TREE TRIMMING. WE LOSE TREES WHEN IT RAINS. THE TREES ARE NOT TRIMMED. THEY'RE ITALIAN STONE PINES. THEY LEAN OVER FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. THEY FINALLY FALL OVER AND UPROOT. THAT'S A SHAME. UM, THE COYOTES HAVE TO DODGE AROUND THEM. YES, IT'S AN OPEN SPACE. THE TREES. I THINK THE CITY SHOULD HELP. YOU'VE GOT TREE TRIMMING CREW AND YOU'VE GOT EQUIPMENT THAT CAN REACH UP INTO THESE OLD PINES AND SAVE THESE TREES BEFORE THEY FALL OVER. IT'S IMPORTANT TO US. UM, COMMUNICATION WIRES RUNNING FROM TO THE SWIMMING POOL ACROSS THE THIRD FAIRWAY. THE GENTLEMEN HAVE SAID THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT THE GOLFERS HAVE DEALT WITH FOR A LONG TIME. THE PARKING LOT NEEDS RESURFACING. I HEARD FROM MR. TRACY LAMB THAT THAT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. YOU NEED TO FIX IT. IF IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, YOU NEED TO FIX IT. PUT IT IN THE CIP AND RE. AND THESE, LIKE THE SIGNAGE THAT THE GENTLEMEN HAVE SAID THEY'RE GONNA REPAIR. UM, THEY'RE IMPORTANT. LEMME TELL YOU ABOUT THE COMMITTEE. I SUGGESTED TO MR. LAMB THAT THERE BE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT INCLUDED A GOLFER AND HE TOOK THE IDEA IN HIS NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE AMERICAN GOLF AND SAID, WE'LL HAVE A COMMUNITY SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE AT AMERICAN GOLF TALK EVERY MONTH. I SAID, THAT'S GREAT, BUT THE CUSTOMER, THE GOLFER NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED. AND I'VE VOLUNTEERED TO BE THAT PERSON. I DON'T THINK I WANT TO BE ON THE PARKS AND REC. AND I DON'T THINK THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD BE IN THE PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE BECAUSE LIKE WE HAVE A FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY AND A LIBRARY BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND AN ARTS COMMITTEE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU. THEY DETAIL WITH ONE CERTAIN THING AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE WORKING WITH THEM. OKAY. DAVID POTTER TO GET THE GOLFER'S OPINION, FOLLOWED BY MATEO GARCIA, FOLLOWED BY NATHAN. GOOD EVENING. I'M ONE OF THE 65 PERCENTERS OF IN CHULA VISTA . I CAME HERE, SAID, I CAN'T HELP. IT'S FOR MY WIFE OUTTA THE HOUSE. , THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT. AND THE OTHER THING I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR IS YOUR GOLF COURSE. YOU'RE THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY, OF NATIONAL CITY. THE GOLF COURSE IS YOURS. MANY, MANY PEOPLE ENJOY IT. I RETIRED 11 YEARS AGO AND I PLAYED GOLF ON THAT GOLF COURSE TWO OR THREE TIMES EVERY WEEK WITH A DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE, FRIENDS OF MINE, ALL WALKS OF LIFE, ALL LOCATIONS. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY, THEY'VE ALL SAID SOME OF THE SAME THINGS. THIS GROUPS INCLUDE MECHANICS, MACHINISTS, MILITARY MEMBERS, VETERANS, TRUCK DRIVERS, REALTORS, STOCKBROKERS, DENTISTS, DOCTORS AND LAWYERS. ONE OF WHICH I AM. ALL OF THESE PEOPLE SAY THE SAME THING. IT'S A WONDERFUL FACILITY. [03:50:01] THEY COME HERE TO PLAY GOLF, NOT BECAUSE IT'S CHEAP, BECAUSE OF COMRADERY, THE PEOPLE THEY KNOW AND THEY PLAY GOLF WITH. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS NOT BEEN BROUGHT UP HERE, IT'S EXTREMELY CONVENIENT. YOU GOT FREEWAYS ON ALL SIDES. YEP. IF YOU'RE PLAYING GOLF IN BONITA, YOU GOTTA GO WAY OUT BONITA ROAD TO GET THERE. OR THE CHULA VISTA COURSE. IF YOU PLAY THE MILITARY COURSES LIKE I DO, YOU GOTTA GO ACROSS THE BRIDGE OR OUT TO MISSION VALLEY AND ONE THING OR ANOTHER. BUT I GET ON THE FREEWAY, I'M THERE AND IT DRAWS PEOPLE INTO YOUR COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THAT'S THE BIG THING THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU. SURE. YOU'RE, YOU'RE LIMITED ON THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE YOU HAVE, BUT MANY CITIES ARE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'VE ALL FOUND IS THE THINGS THAT CREATE COMMUNITY ARE GROUPS THAT GET TOGETHER AND DO THINGS TOGETHER. AND THAT'S WHAT GOLF DOES FOR MANY OF, OF MICUM UH, COMPATRIOTS. UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ONE LAST THING. OKAY. SO AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE CITY FOR THIS FINE FACILITY AND MAKING, BEING OLD A LITTLE BIT MORE FUN. . THANK YOU. UH, LET'S SEE. WE HAD MATTIAS, UH, THEN WE HAD NATHAN AND THEN TONY. THERE YOU GO. NUMBERS. I'M GLAD YOU'RE STILL AWAKE. COFFEE. COFFEE. I JUST HAVE GENERAL COMMENTS. I WASN'T SURE HOW THIS, UH, DISCUSSION WITH AMERICAN GOLF WAS GONNA GO. I JUST WANNA REITERATE SOMETHING. I DUNNO IF ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN ON THAT COURSE, BUT THAT COURSE IS GORGEOUS. THE NICEST THING IN NASHVILLE CITY, FAR AS OPEN SPACE GOES. AND I JUST WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, , YOU MIGHT CROAK OFF NEXT WEEK. SOME OF THESE YOUNGER GUYS WILL BE AROUND FOR A WHILE, THAT THIS SHOULD REMAIN A GOLF COURSE FOREVER. IT IS GORGEOUS. IT WILL NEVER BE REPLACED. AND IT, IT CAN, IT, IT'S THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING WE HAVE IN NASHVILLE CITY. I, I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE IGNORED IT. SOMEBODY GAVE ME SOME CLUBS AND NOW I'M THERE ALL THE TIME. AND IT IS, UH, IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO KEEP IT WHAT IT IS. OKAY. THAT'S MY NAME THING. THANK YOU. UM, NATHAN, FOLLOWED BY TONY, FOLLOWED BY, UH, MIKE. UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE, UH, AT LIKE 10 15 TO TALK ABOUT A GOLF COURSE. BUT, UH, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I STARTED GOLFING DURING THE PANDEMIC IN 2020. AND NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE WAS LIKE ONE OF THE ONLY GOLF COURSES TO OPEN MANY PEOPLE TO COME AND PLAY. AND SINCE THEN, I HAVE NOT MISSED LIKE, ALMOST A WEEK OF GOLF AT NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE. UM, IT'S BEEN A PLACE WHERE A LOT OF FAMILIES CAN COME TOGETHER AND, UH, I PRIDE NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE AS FORMING, NOT JUST LIKE, UH, FRIENDSHIPS WITH FAMILY BONDS. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPENT, UH, LIKE MULTI-GENERATIONS PLAYING TOGETHER. UM, I USED TO SPEND TIMES WITH LIKE MY UNCLES AND THEIR FRIENDS PLAYING IN THE MORNING ON TUESDAY, THURSDAYS. AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS AND AS, UH, AS JOSE HAS SAID, AND EVEN CHUCK WHO'S CURRENTLY MANAGING THERE, LIKE, THINGS HAVE BEEN IMPROVED SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE IN 2020. AND, UH, WITHOUT A DOUBT, I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S A GREAT PLACE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO, UH, BE OPEN AND BE AWARE OF, UH, NATIONAL CITY IN ITSELF. AND IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, IN OTHER PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S LIKE HAKA AND OTHER PLACES AROUND THE AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY, UM, MEET AND EAT AFTER. AND, UH, THEY EVEN HAVE GREAT FOOD OVER THERE, . SO, AND ALL THE STAFF OVER THERE IS VERY WELCOMING AND INVITING, AND EVERYONE THERE IS VERY, UH, I WOULD SAY VERY HAPPY TO JUST BE PART OF THERE. I JUST ACTUALLY WAS HERE LATE 'CAUSE I WAS JUST AT THE DRIVING RANGE BEFORE I CAME HERE. SO I HOPE WE, UH, EXTEND THE, UH, CONTRACT FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS AND HOPEFULLY SEE, UH, IT FLOURISH IN NATIONAL CITY AND MAKE THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR NATIONAL CITY TO BE A BIGGER STAPLE IN THIS WHOLE, UM, THIS CITY. THANK YOU, TONY. GET YOU UP HERE. THEN, UH, MIKE MESICK AND THEN, UH, DOLE MORRISON. SO AS I, UH, STARTED EARLIER, UH, IT IS A HIDDEN GEM. I IMAGINE MORE PEOPLE COULD TRY TO FIND IT. MM-HMM . OR, YOU KNOW, YOU DRIVE RIGHT PAST IT. YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW IT'S THERE, BUT, UH, IT IS, UH, I DON'T LIVE IN NATIONAL CITY, BUT I USED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE RETURN BACK TO NATIONAL CITY TO, TO PAY HOMAGE TO THAT COURSE AND ENJOY THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES. UH, I SEE YOUNG AND OLD OUT THERE. UH, IT'S A GOOD TIME. UM, IT'S A GOOD PART OF NATIONAL CITY. UH, YOU CAN'T, CAN'T, UH, ONCE YOU TAKE AN OPEN SPACE, YOU CAN'T GET IT BACK. UM, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO NOT BE CRAZY [03:55:01] MAINTAINED AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN EXECUTIVE COURSE AND SUPER EXPENSIVE. UM, BUT THAT'S ALSO WHAT MAKES IT VERY PLEASANT AND NICE AND IT'S IN BEAUTIFUL CONDITION. UM, THEY DO CARE ABOUT THE PLACE. UH, I'VE BEEN GOLFING THERE FOR PROBABLY TWO, THREE YEARS NOW. AND EVERYBODY, I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW NATE TILL LAST YEAR. THERE'S A, I PROBABLY KNOW HALF THE PEOPLE INSIDE OF HERE JUST FROM RUNNING INTO TIME OUT THERE, ENJOY EACH OTHER'S COMPANY. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT A, A COMMUNITY ATMOSPHERE IS, UM, THAT IT BRINGS TO NATIONAL CITY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, UH, MIKE COMING UP AND THEN, UH, DOYLE. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. I'M MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN. UM, MY NAME IS MIKE METZI. I'M THE ACTUAL HEAD COACH FOR THE GOLF PROGRAM AT, UH, SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL FOR BOYS AND GIRLS. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR TWO YEARS NOW. I I WENT HERE, WE WERE HERE LAST TIME WE MET, AND I HAD A BUNCH OF MY GIRLS HERE STAY LATE THIS TIME. THEY DIDN'T, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN OTHER SPORTS NOW AS, UH, BUT THEY DID WANT ME TO TELL YOU, UH, ONE OF, ONE OF MY GIRLS, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, TO LET YOU KNOW, MOST OF MY PLAYERS THE LAST TWO YEARS, ONLY 90% ARE NEW TO GOLF. I MAYBE HAVE ONE THAT ACTUALLY GOLFED WHEN THEY WERE YOUNGER. SO THIS OPENS THEIR EYES AS AS, AS, UM, AS YOU SAID EARLIER, JUST BRING A NEW MEMBER, NEW PEOPLE INTO GOLFING AND NEW PEOPLE INTO, UH, THE SPORT IS, IS THE GREATEST FEELING. AND NATIONAL CITY GIVES THAT TO, TO THEM AT THAT SCHOOL ALONGSIDE THE OTHER SCHOOLS. UH, OTHER COACHES WANTED TO JOIN ME FROM CHULA VISTA, SAN DIEGO THAT, UH, COACHED THE GOLF TEAM THERE. BUT, UM, THEY WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE GOLF COURSE, NOT JUST FOR THE GOLF COURSE, BUT ALSO THE FACILITY USE OF, UH, HAVING THE BANQUETS, THE AVAILABILITY, BRINGING STAFF MEMBERS, TEACHERS HAVING AN OUTING TO GO OUT AND USE THE, UH, NATIONAL CITY HAS BEEN VERY OPEN IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. AND, UH, ONE OF MY GIRLS WANTED ME TO JUST TELL YOU BEFORE I FORGET, UH, COACH, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A BOWLING ALLEY, A MOVIE THEATER, A ROLLER SKATE RING. DON'T LET 'EM TAKE THE GOLF COURSE AWAY FROM US. . I HAD TO SAY THAT. I KNOW SHE'S PROBABLY WATCHING HOME. UM, SO I JUST WANTED, I TOLD HER I WOULD SAY THAT TO YOU GUYS. UM, BUT AGAIN, I AM FOR THE, YOU KNOW, EXTENDING THE LEASE AND I HOPE YOU GUYS DO CONSIDER THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TELL HER WE DO HAVE A BOWLING ALLEY THOUGH. IT'S AT PLAZA BONITA IN MY DISTRICT. OH YEAH. PLAZA THE ROUND ONE. WE HAVE A MOVIE THEATER THERE TOO. MOVIE THEATER. MOVIE THEATER AND MOVIE THEATER THERE MAKING, OKAY. OKAY. DOYLE MORRISON. I DON'T KNOW, I THINK I'VE SAID MANY TIMES THAT I'M NOT FROM NATIONAL CITY TONIGHT, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE GOLF PLAYERS. THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE FUN PLAYING THERE. THEY HAVE MEMORIES THERE. THEY CREATE GREAT, GREAT THINGS. AND AS TED BROUGHT UP, THERE ARE SOME MAINTENANCE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN BETTER THERE ABOUT THE TREES AND ALL THAT STUFF. AND, AND THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE. BUT I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS ON THE ENTRANCE TO THE GOLF COURSE. UM, BECAUSE ALONG GROVE STREET, WE, WE HAD THAT WATER THING THAT, THAT HAPPENED AND IT ACTUALLY TOOK TWO MONTHS TO FIX. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY, UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. BUT I'M GLAD THAT IT'S FIXED BECAUSE THAT PUT THE CITY IN A BAD SPOT BECAUSE IF SOMEONE SLIPPED THERE, UH, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A PROBABLY ANOTHER LAWSUIT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT WAS DOCUMENTED TO FIX. UM, UH, ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT DAILY LITTER AND TRASH PICKUP AROUND GROVE STREET AND ALONG THE LITTLE REMNANT OF LAND, UH, KNOWN AS THE DITCH THAT'S KIND OF AROUND THE CORNER GOING UP GROVE STREET. UM, SO THAT, THAT GETS LITTER IN IT FROM THAT PEOPLE COME OUT TO THEIR CARS AND NOT THAT THEY'RE DOING IT ON PURPOSE, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK, BUT MAYBE THEY'RE TAKING STUFF OUTTA THEIR BAG AND STUFF FALLS OUT. AND I THINK THE FACILITY COULD DO A BETTER JOB OF GOING AFTER BUSINESS HOURS AND GOING THROUGH THERE AND, AND JUST DOING A QUICK CLEANUP. IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT LONG IF THEY DO IT DAILY. UM, ALSO, UH, PATRONS LEAVE LIQUOR BOTTLES THERE, CIGARETTE BUTTS, MISCELLANEOUS TRASH THAT, THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT, UH, ESPECIALLY IN GROVE STREET AND IN THAT CITY OWNED DITCH, UM, ADJACENT TO THE GOLF COURSE, PATRONS ARE ALSO NOW DRIVING THEIR GOLF COURTS ONTO THE STREET, UH, ONTO GROVE STREET TO DROP OFF THEIR BEER COOLERS. SO THAT'S FUN. THEY'RE OUT THERE HAVING FUN GOLFING, AND THEY'RE DRINKING BEER. AND NOW THEY'RE DRIVING GOLF CARTS ON THE CITY STREET. UH, WE ARE JUST, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, CAN THEY DO SOME KIND OF GEOFENCING WITH THE GOLF CARTS, CARTS THEIR ELECTRONIC NOW, OR MAYBE EVEN DESIGNATE A DROP OFF SPOT WHERE THEY DRUNK GUYS CAN GO GET THEIR CAR, DRIVE IT ONTO THE PROPERTY, AND THEN LOAD THEIR BEER COOLERS THERE AND THEN GO OVER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. AND THEN GO OVER TO HANNA COA. THANK YOU. OKAY, . ALRIGHT. AND MAYOR, THERE WAS ONE WRITTEN COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, SO THAT IS, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS TOWARD STAFF OR THE APPLICANT OR ANYTHING ELSE? [04:00:01] YES, I DON'T THINK IT'S, UM, A QUESTION. UM, SO I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF A FIVE YEAR LEASE. AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT OUR STAFF, I DON'T THINK US ON COUNCIL HAVE NEGOTIATED WELL ENOUGH AND BEEN PROACTIVE ENOUGH, UM, TO SEE WHAT KIND OF AMENITIES THAT HAVE BEEN ALREADY IDENTIFIED AND THAT THE CITY HAS SPENT RESOURCES INTO, UM, IN THIS LAS PALMAS CONCEPTUAL PLAN, WHICH YEAH, IS FROM 2010. BUT THERE IS WAYS I THINK WE CAN ACTIVATE IT MORE AND IT CAN BE MORE, UH, MULTI-USE. UM, I THINK THERE'S WAYS, IDEAS FOR POTENTIAL REVENUE GENERATION, UM, THAT AREN'T BEING LOOKED AT. UM, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE, UM, SO I'M OKAY WITH EXTENDING THE LEASE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THREE TO SIX MONTHS, WHAT MY COLLEAGUES WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SO THAT, BECAUSE, UM, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, DITAS, YOU BROUGHT UP A REALLY GOOD POINT THAT THIS IS A VERY VALUABLE ASSET. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS VERY EXTREMELY VALUABLE REAL ESTATE AND WE HAVE TO BE, I THINK, VERY, A MUCH MORE SAVVY WITH OUR BUDGET DEFICIT ON HOW WE USE OUR SPACE AND HOW WE CAN COLLABORATE WITH YOU GUYS, UM, ON, ON MAKING THAT BETTER. SO, BUT LIKE, I'D BE OPEN TO LIKE, SO WITH MY COLLEAGUES, I'D BE OPEN TO A YEAR. UM, I'D BE OPEN TO THREE MONTHS JUST SO WE CAN KIND OF NEGOTIATE SOMETHING BIGGER. BUT I'M VERY AGAINST A FIVE YEAR UNDER THE CURRENT CONDITIONS. UM, WE HAVEN'T, I DON'T THINK PROPERLY EVALUATED, UH, WHAT, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BRIDGE, THIS IS NEW INFORMATION TO ME THAT, UM, THE BRIDGE THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT PART OF THAT WAS OUR FAULT A BIT, AND I'M WILLING TO LOOK MORE INTO THAT AND, UH, WORKING WITH STAFF ON EXPEDITING THAT. UM, SO I, I JUST, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH A SHORTER TERM EXTENSION PROVIDED THAT THE, THE CITY STAFF DO SOME KIND OF ECONOMIC ANALYSIS ON HOW WE CAN INCREASE REVENUE OR HOW WE CAN DO SOME MORE EVENTS MULTI-USE. BUT THAT'S NOT IN THE EXISTING LEASE AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW. SO I JUST, I STILL HAVE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS. I STILL WANT TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT, UM, TO, TO MEET WITH, UH, AMERICAN GOLF, UH, TO SEE WHAT, UM, UH, JUST KIND OF IDENTIFY THESE AREAS. DO DO A TOUR. UH, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO, I'VE BEEN ON THE GOLF COURSE ITSELF, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN, UH, ON THE INSIDE OF THE FACILITY AND THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE THERE. SO I'D BE OPEN TO SEEING WHAT WE CAN DO CREATIVELY TO, UM, I DON'T KNOW, EVEN EXPAND IT OR, AND I KNOW THAT'S GONNA COST, YOU KNOW, MONEY, BUT I, I JUST WANT TO THINK, UH, BIGGER PICTURE HERE AND NOT GET LOCKED INTO WHAT FEELS TO ME LIKE A STATUS QUO OF THIS, UM, UH, OF THIS EXISTING, THE LANGUAGE IN THIS LEASE. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE CAN BE MORE DYNAMIC, MORE INNOVATIVE. UM, SO, UM, I'M, I'M GOOD KEEPING IT, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST A, A YEAR, UM, MAYBE, BUT MAYBE TO, IN ORDER TO GIVE OUR STAFF AND EVEN MYSELF MORE TIME TO NEGO TO DISCUSS THIS AND KIND OF NEGOTIATE WITH YOU GUYS, UM, THE, LIKE, I, UM, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE, WHAT THE TIMING IS ON THAT. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE ENOUGH OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE. UM, AND I DO WANNA, UH, I THANK, UH, YOU, UH, MR. MR GODSHAW FOR, UM, FOR THE DETAILS INTO THAT. SO I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THOSE CAPITAL, UM, IMPROVEMENTS, LIKE WHAT THE PHASING WOULD BE AND HOLDING YOU GUYS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT. UH, THE OTHER THING TOO, AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, PUBLIC LAND. THIS IS CITY LAND. AND SO, UH, I HEARD FROM OUR REPORT TODAY THAT WE'VE GOT ANOTHER REQUEST, UH, FOR A, UM, UH, FOR ANOTHER PROPOSAL, UH, FOR THIS AREA FROM A ANOTHER COMPETITOR. SO I JUST, UM, I, I'M MORE INTERESTED IN NEGOTIATING DIRECTLY WITH, WITH YOU GUYS, BUT I ALSO WANT TO SEE ALL OF MAKING SURE WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH PUBLIC LAND AND THAT WE'RE MAXIMIZING OUR, OUR POTENTIAL, OUR BEST USE, SEEING WHERE THERE'S AREAS THAT WE CAN EVEN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT ON THIS, UH, GOLF COURSE IN THE SHORT, MEDIUM, OR EVEN LONG TERM. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UM, THERE, THIS, THERE'S A CREEK, THIS IS, UM, AN ACTUAL WATERWAY AND IT'S, UM, UH, IT'S DISTURBED HABITAT, BUT I WONDER WHAT KIND OF DESIGN FEATURES THAT YOU ALL CAN DO TO MAKE IT MORE NATURAL AND INCORPORATE KIND OF, UM, JUST SOMETHING THAT'S MORE NATIVE HABITAT NATURAL RESTORATION OF SOME OF THE AREAS IN THE MIDSECTION OF THE CREEK WHERE THERE'S LIKE, KIND OF THIS VALLEY. UM, AND THERE'S ALL THESE INVASIVE PLANTS, LIKE WHAT CAN BE CAN BE DONE FOR A CLEANUP THERE. SO I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF IDEAS THAT THIS, UM, THE EXISTING LANGUAGE AND LEASE, I'M NOT HAPPY WITH, UH, WITH FIVE YEAR, BUT I AM DEFINITELY OPEN TO NEGOTIATING WITH YOU GUYS WHAT EXTENDING THE LEASE, UM, FOR THREE, SIX MONTHS A YEAR SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO, UM, HASH, UH, HASH THIS OUT. BUT I THINK WE CAN GET SOMETHING THAT'S MORE MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL FOR BOTH PARTIES. UM, UH, NOT WITH THIS EXISTING, UH, THIS PROPOSED FIVE YEAR, BUT WITH, UM, [04:05:01] A THREE TO SIX MONTH EXTENSION IN DIRECTING STAFF TO KIND OF LIKE WORK SOME MORE WITH THE, UM, WITH AMERICAN GOLF. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, DURING MY BRIEFING, I HAD, I THINK, UM, GRILLED MR. PACHECO, UM, EARLIER. UM, HE HAD ANSWERED SOME QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE, UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, HE ALSO EXPRESSED THAT I WISH HE HAD MORE TIME, UM, TO TAKE CARE OF THIS BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, HE'S ONLY BEEN OUR DIRECTOR FOR TWO, FOR TWO WEEKS. UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HE SAID, UH, WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF OUR CITY MANAGER AND DEPUTY CITY MANAGER THERE, THAT HE'S GOING TO MONITOR THIS, UM, VERY IMPORTANT ASSET OF THE CITY, UM, WITH THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT HE'S GOT. UM, I AM CONFIDENT, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN MAYBE TO, TO, UM, GIVE HIM WHAT A LITTLE MORE TIME, UM, TO REVIEW THIS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST TO REVIEW BECAUSE I KNOW YOU DIDN'T HAVE, UM, MORE TIME TO REVIEW IT AND MAYBE GIVE YOU UNTIL TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK TO AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, GO OVER ALL, MOST ESPECIALLY THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ASKED, UM, UM, EARLIER, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IF THERE IS ANOTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN ANOTHER PARTY AT THE TABLE, I WAS NOT, UM, GIVEN THAT INFORMATION. SO I DON'T KNOW, UM, WHAT MY VICE MAYOR IS SAYING, BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TO BE MORE PRUDENT AND DILIGENT IN MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE 60 MONTHS OF A, UH, UH, AN ASSET THAT, UM, MAYBE YOU CAN REVISIT, UM, IN YOUR OWN TWO EYES NOW, UM, AND SEE IF THIS IS REALLY GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE. I KNOW YOU WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN NOT CONFIDENT IN ANSWERING SOME OF MY QUESTIONS EARLIER, AND I WANT THAT CONFIDENCE THAT YOU WILL GIVE ME, YOU KNOW, REASSURE ME THAT THE 60 MONTHS IS GR REALLY GOING TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN NOT ONLY, UM, COMMUNITY BENEFIT TO THE CITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME A GOOD BUSINESS DECISION THAT WE ARE MAKING FOR CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. THANK YOU, MR. YES. UH, THANK YOU. I I I AM INTERESTED IN, UM, MORE DETAIL TO THE CONTRACT, INCLUDING A MORE ROBUST COMMITMENT TO, UM, ALMOST A TIMELINE FOR, UH, WHEN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED, WHEN, WHEN WOULD WE EXPECT SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO BE MADE? FOR EXAMPLE, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BATHROOMS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF COMMITMENT TO REPLACING THE EQUIPMENT FOR THE GREENS GREEN GROUNDS WORK. UM, SOME OF THE OTHER ONES ON THERE WERE THE BRIDGE OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF MORE CONCRETE END POINTS OR GOAL POSTS THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THIS SPAN OF FIVE YEARS, JUST AS THE VICE MAYOR SAID, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA COME DOWN TO FOUR YEARS AND THAT BRIDGE IS STILL OUTSTANDING, RIGHT? THAT, THAT, UM, WE, I AM INTERESTED IN SEEING A MORE CONCRETE TIMELINE AND IN ESSENCE A MORE ROBUST COMMITMENT, UM, AS PART OF THIS CONTRACT. SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, UM, MORE NEGOTIATION, UH, FOR THIS BEFORE THIS CONTRACT IS ENTERED INTO, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS A TERM OF FIVE YEARS CAN REAL QUICK, BUT THE CONTRACT DID EXPIRE. I JUST RECOGNIZING THE CONTRACT'S EXPIRED, SO THAT'S WHY FOR ME, I'M IN FAVOR OF EXTENDING IT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT YEAH, JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE. THE CONTRACT DID EXPIRE. LEASE, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, I THINK WE HAVE TO, UH, BE CONSIDERATE OF, UH, THE, UM, GOLF COURSE OPERATORS, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT UTILIZE THE GOLF COURSE ITSELF AND OUR RESIDENTS THAT DO SO. SO I WOULD LIKE IF INDEED THERE IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT A RENEGOTIATION FOR IT TO BE TIME CERTAIN AND TUESDAY NIGHT, TUESDAY, I DUNNO IF TUESDAY'S POSSIBLE TUESDAY, BEST TUESDAY, SEPARATE NIGHT, TUESDAY, DECEMBER 9TH, RIGHT? NO, SHE'S JUST JOKING. IT'S 10 30 AT NIGHT. COME ON NOW, . UM, BUT NO, I THINK, I THINK HAVE IT BE TIME CERTAIN IN ORDER FOR US TO BRING SOMETHING DEFINITIVE BACK TO THE CITY AND ALLOW FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. SO, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE FAIR. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S IN THE MOOD TO LAUGH RIGHT NOW WITH BEAT US, BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ASK. I WOULD HAVE MY COLLEAGUES, UH, UH, HAVE IT BE TIME CERTAIN AND, UM, [04:10:01] UH, IF, IF ONE OR TWO OF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH STAFF TO BRING SOMETHING BACK TO US AND WITH THE, UM, UH, OPERATORS, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. I, I, OH, SORRY. WELL, I JUST SAY, I, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS EVERYONE HERE I, I FEEL IS COMMITTED TO THE IDEA OF CONTINUING THE GOLF COURSE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION ON THAT. I THINK THERE IS SOME, SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT DEFINITION AND, AND TIMING, THINGS ALONG THAT LINE THAT, THAT NEED TO BE PUT TOGETHER. UM, AT THE SAME TIME, I KNOW THERE WAS CONCEPTUAL IDEA BACK IN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPTUAL PART, UH, CONCEPTS, UH, BACK IN 2010. UH, THOSE ARE 15 YEARS OLD NOW. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, TO DO ANYTHING, ANY KIND OF REAL CHANGES THERE, UH, WOULD PROBABLY TAKE SEVERAL YEARS OF GOING THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL, GOING THROUGH FUNDING EVERYTHING ELSE. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, BE HONEST WITH YOU TO, TO START TAKING A LOOK AT REVISING THAT AND THEN GOING THROUGH ALL THAT DEAL. IT'S GONNA BE ALL TO FIVE YEARS JUST FOR THAT. AND, UH, UM, SO THAT WOULD NOT STOP US FROM STILL TAKING A LOOK AT LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE EXPECT THAT AREA TO LOOK LIKE AND 10 YEARS OR 20 YEARS FROM NOW. BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE US AT LEAST FIVE YEARS TO GET TO THAT POINT. I MEAN, THERE WAS EVEN DISCUSSION BECAUSE AT THE, AT THE FOOT OF THE GOLF COURSE ACROSS THE STREET, IT WAS A DESALINIZATION PLANT, AND IT, IT, IT PROVIDES 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF FRESH WATER. IT BRINGS IT UP FROM 800 FEET IN THE GROUND, AND IT'S BRINE WATER. IT'S NOT, NOT FULL SALT SEA WATER, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S BRINE AND IT DISCHARGES 2 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF BRINE BACK INTO THE SWEETWATER RIVER. WE EVEN DISCUSSED ABOUT PUMPING THAT UP TO THE GOLF COURSE AND LET IT, LET IT, AND PUT IN A REED SYSTEM, LET IT RUN DOWN THERE. AND THAT WAY YOU'D HAVE A YEAR-ROUND CREEK RUNNING DOWN THROUGH THE AIR INSTEAD OF IT BEING A SEASONAL CREEK. AND THE REED SYSTEM COULD ACTUALLY CLEAN UP THAT SALT WATER. UH, YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, WE TRIED RUNNING THAT UP THE FLAGPOLE WITH, UH, UH, THE, THE GOVERNMENTAL GROUPS, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY TOLD US, THE WATER WOULD BE TOO PURE GOING INTO THE SWEETWATER RIVER. YEAH. SO ANYWAY, SO YEAH, IT JUST, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF IDEAS CAN BE HAD OUT THERE, BUT ONCE YOU START GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, PROCESS, YOU FIND OUT HOW COMPLICATED IT GETS. MR. MAYOR, I DON'T THINK THE INTENT WAS TO RE-ENVISION THE ENTIRE GOLF COURSE. IT WAS SIMPLY TO GIVE ADDITIONAL TIME NO. TO, UH, UH, RE REVIEW THE CURRENT CONTRACT OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. BUT IT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE IT BE TIME CERTAIN, AND IF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD LIKE TO SERVE ON THAT WITH STAFF AND THE OPERATORS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. THAT'S FINE. YEAH. BUT WHAT I'M GOING IS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I KNOW THE VICE MAYOR BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, THE WHOLE PLAN. WHAT I'M SAYING IS EVEN IF WE WAS TO LOOK AT THAT, IT'S A FIVE YEAR VISION AT LEAST TO, TO, TO GET TO THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, UH, SO TO LIMIT THE LENGTH OF THE CONTRACT LESS THAN FIVE YEARS, I DON'T THINK REALLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. UM, BUT IF WE START DOING, IF YOU START DOING OTHER WORK, GO ALONG WITH IT. BUT I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK WE NEED TO SET TO A TIME CERTAIN, UM, AND, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, AND TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITION OF THIS, BUT IT CERTAINLY GIVE THE EXTENSION FOR THAT UP TO THAT POINT SO THAT WE CAN, SO THAT WE CAN DO THAT AND, UH, THEN COME DOWN WITH A, WITH A CONTRACT THAT BOTH AMERICAN GOLF CAN LIVE WITH, THAT WE CAN LIVE WITH. AND THAT GIVES US ALL A DEFINITION ON WHAT'S, WHAT OUR VISION IS GONNA BE OVER THIS NEXT FIVE YEARS. YEAH. AND TO BE CLEAR, SO IF WE HAD SOME MORE, UM, INPUT AND, AND I WILL SAY I'VE REACHED OUT TO STAFF ABOUT THIS AND THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGERS, UM, BACK IN APRIL ABOUT THIS IN MARCH. AND I DON'T THINK THAT, LIKE, THAT THEY DIDN'T COMMUNICATE SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS I HAD IN THE LEASE TO YOU ALL. AND SO THAT'S OUR, OUR FAULT. UM, SO I'M OPEN TO A FIVE YEAR LEASE IF OUR STAFF KIND OF IN, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS MORE TIME AND THEN KIND, AND KIND OF CAN NEGOTIATE WITH YOU ALL, BECAUSE I THINK EVEN SOME OF THE FEATURES IDENTIFIED IN THE LAS PALMAS CONCEPTUAL PLAN, WHICH, UH, IRONICALLY THE MAYOR, YOU WERE, I THINK THE ONLY ONE WHEN I LOOKED AT WHO WAS ON THAT. YOU WERE, YOU WERE ONE OF THE ONLY ONES, UM, STILL ON THERE. SO A LOT OF STAFF HAS TURNED OVER AND IS GONE SINCE THEN. IT WAS ME AND NOAH. YEAH, YOU AND NOAH. NOAH, YEAH. OH, OKAY. UM, YEAH, WHOEVER THAT IS. BUT, UM, YEAH, SO, BUT, UH, SO ALL, SO WE'VE KIND OF LOST SOME OF THAT, LIKE, UH, CONTINUITY, UM, WITH STAFF AND SOME OF THOSE IDEAS, BUT SOME OF THE IDEAS IN THE CONCEPT PLAN, LIKE I, I ACTUALLY THINK WITHIN FIVE YEARS, AMERICAN GOLF CAN INCORPORATE SOME OF THAT, BUT THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN STUDIED. SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF I, I THINK THEN IT'S A QUESTION OF, UM, TIMING TO ALLOW CERTAINTY WITH, UM, THE, THE GOLF COURSE AND, UM, UH, THE TIME FOR [04:15:01] OUR STAFF TO NEGOTIATE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A THREE MONTH EXTENSION OR A SIX MONTH EXTENSION SO THAT WE CAN GET SOMETHING WORKING TOWARDS A, A FIVE YEAR DEAL THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S MORE, THAT JUST IS MORE REVENUE AND MORE AMENITIES TO SOME OF THE, AND THEN SOME OF THE MORE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN, LIKE, THAT KIND OF HOLDS YOU GUYS ACCOUNTABLE TO, TO MEETING THOSE. SO, I DON'T KNOW, COULD, COULD YOU COME BACK UP AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU WERE THINKING OR WHAT YOU'RE HEARING? YEAH. SO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THIS IS WHAT WE DID IN AUGUST. WE HAD THE CONVERSATION WE WOULD EXTEND, SO WE COULD NEGOTIATE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID. AND WE HAVE A VERY, A VERY STRONG LEASE. UM, THE RENT'S BEEN INCREASED. WE PUT THIS CAPITAL PLAN TOGETHER. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THINGS THAT COULD COME UP OVER THE COURSE OF FIVE YEARS THAT WE'RE GONNA WANNA SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT. AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. WE'RE NOT GONNA SOLVE ALL OF THOSE THINGS BEFORE WE SIGN A LEASE. UM, I ALSO HAVE STAFF MEMBERS WHO WANT SOME CERTAINTY. I DON'T WANNA LOSE THESE GUYS. I DON'T THINK YOU DO EITHER. UM, IF THEY GET THE OFFER THAT SAYS YOU GOT A, YOU KNOW, A TWO YEAR DEAL AT ANOTHER GOLF COURSE, AND YOU'RE WAITING TO SEE IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A SIX MONTHS, THREE MONTHS DEAL AT NATIONAL CITY, THAT'S NOT AN IDEAL SITUATION EITHER. WE NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS ON EQUIPMENT, WHICH REQUIRES, GENERALLY SPEAKING, A FIVE YEAR LEASE. UM, SO I, I, I DO THINK THE, THE, THE LEASE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE DOES ALLOW FOR A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY TO DISCUSS, ET CETERA. UM, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL GONNA WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF IF THERE ARE BETTER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, WE'RE ALL GONNA WANT TO DO IT. UM, SO I, I, I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET TO, UM, YOU KNOW, A MATERIAL CHANGE IN, IN, IN THREE MONTHS, UM, BEYOND WHAT IS IT EQUATE A GOOD LEASE HERE FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, A SHORT GOLF COURSE, UM, AT A VERY, VERY LOW USE FEE. MM-HMM . UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A REALLY STRONG LEASE GIVEN THOSE DYNAMICS. DID THE STAFFORD VIEW THE LOS PALM CONCEPTUAL PLAN WITH YOU? NO. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S MY PROBLEM WITH OUR PUBLIC LAND, IS THAT, SO THAT DUE DILIGENCE HAD, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S YOUR GUYS' FAULT, TO BE FAIR, I THINK THAT'S ON OUR, OUR STAFF. AND THERE'S ALSO A CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT THAT YOU GUYS SUBMITTED PLANS FOR ENGINEERING, AND THEN THAT HAS BEEN KICKED BACK AND FORTH. AND THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I LIKE. IF THAT'S OUR, OUR OUR FAULT, THEN I WANT TO SOLVE WHAT THAT IS INTERNALLY. BUT IT IS PUBLIC LAND. AND, AND I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING UP HERE IS I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN OPPOSITION TOWARD A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT. UH, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THERE'S QUESTION IS, ESPECIALLY SINCE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE FINALLY HAVE, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD A BUNCH OF INDIVIDUALS DOING THIS WORK OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, ANNUITANTS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, KNOW TEMPORARY AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WE FINALLY HAVE A PERSON WHO'S ONLY BEEN ON THE JOB FOR TWO WEEKS, UH, WHO, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA BE OVERSEEING THIS. AND SO, AND I'LL, I'LL QUESTION HIM IN A MOMENT, BUT ANYWAY, SO GET READY FOR IT, MIKE. BUT, UH, UM, BUT AS I SAY, I, I THINK THERE'S JUST A, UH, WHAT I'M HEARING IN HERE IS A LOT, NOT NECESSARILY ADDING MORE COST OR ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT LINE, BUT MORE DEFINITION, I THINK, MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. SO, UH, BUT I'M GONNA ASK MIKE ON WHAT DO YOU THINK, DO YOU THINK THE, THE PROCESS STILL NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT MORE? OR DO YOU THINK, OH, THIS IS JUST, THIS IS JUST GREAT AS IS, OR? WELL, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I, MY APOLOGIES. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WERE ANY CONCERNS. UM, SO I, I APPRECIATE THIS FEEDBACK. UM, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE, IF WE COULD JUST COME BACK NEXT MONTH, UH, I KNOW IT'S HOLIDAYS COMING UP MM-HMM . BUT I FEEL LIKE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALREADY KIND OF KNOW WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE. AND I, I FEEL LIKE JUST ALREADY TALKING TO AMERICAN GOLF, UM, THEY, THEY SEEM VERY, YOU KNOW, AMENABLE TO, TO, TO WORK THINGS OUT. AND IF WE JUST NEED TO PUT THOSE THINGS DOWN IN ON PAPER TO MAKE, MAKE SURE YOUR CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD BE, OKAY, I'M SORRY, CITY ATTORNEY, IF THIS WAS EVEN SOMETHING WE CAN DO, IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD PUSH TILL NEXT MONTH ON A HOLDOVER? WELL, CAN WE EXTEND AT LEASE TO GET, BECAUSE THE LEASES ARE EXPIRED, CAN WE EXTEND THE LEASE AT LEAST NOW FOR THE THREE MONTHS TO GIVE STAFF ENOUGH TIME SO AT LEAST THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF, UM, ASSURANCE, AND THEN WE WORK TOWARDS THAT, THAT THE EDITS AND THE UPDATES TO THE FIVE YEAR, SO WE CAN DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID BEFORE. AS YOU SAID, I, I THINK THE KEY IS HAVING A VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING MM-HMM . OF WHAT IT IS YOU WANT. BECAUSE I, I DEALT [04:20:01] WITH THE PREVIOUS DIRECTOR AND, AND THERE WAS FRUSTRATION THAT HE WASN'T GETTING DIRECTION AND THAT HE WAS NEGOTIATING. HE'D DO A DEAL, HE'D COME BACK TO THE CITY AND BE TOLD THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANTED. SO TONIGHT I HEAR A LOT OF TALK, BUT I DON'T HEAR A LOT OF SPECIFICS. SO FOR INSTANCE, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS CLEAR TO ME IS THAT THERE ARE SOME IMPROVEMENTS, AND I'M SURE AS A BUSINESS ORGANIZATION YOU HAVE A FIVE YEAR PLAN, THEY WANNA SEE THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. YEAH. IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THE BATHROOMS, YOU'RE GONNA DO THE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT SHOULD BE IN A FIVE YEAR PLAN. AND I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF SPECIFICS THEY WANT ON THAT. UM, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT COUNCILMAN BUSH IS TALKING ABOUT. I WOULD JUST SAY MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE DIRECT COMMUNICATIONS WITH HIM AND ANYONE ELSE ON HERE, SO THAT IF WE, WE CAN USE THESE 30 DAYS, WHATEVER IT IS, EFFECTIVELY. SO THE NEXT TIME WE COME BACK, EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE. SO I, I GUESS FROM THE LEGAL SIDE, WE'LL DO ANOTHER AMENDMENT. YOU GUYS TELL US WHETHER IT'S 30 DAYS OR 60 DAYS, WHATEVER YOU THINK, BUT FEEL THAT YOU GOT GOOD DIRECTION TONIGHT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE EFFECTIVE USE OF THIS TIME, BECAUSE WE WE'RE, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS HERE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING IN THE MEANTIME MM-HMM . SO WE'RE LOSING OUT ON THOSE THINGS WHILE WE KEEP RENEGOTIATING. THAT'S, THAT'S TRUE. NO, I, I AGREE WITH THAT, BARRY. I WILL SAY I WAS VERY PROACTIVE WITH STAFF ABOUT THIS, ABOUT THE REVIEW OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN. STAFF SHOULD HAVE TOLD YOU THAT. AND THAT IS NOT MY FAULT. UM, SO I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE, UM, SO I'LL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY THOUGH. SO WE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE, THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. WE ALSO ARE GETTING A NEW CITY MANAGER, SO THAT'S LIKE, SO THOSE, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE, UM, THAT WE, WE JUST WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS, UH, FIXING. AND THEN WE CAN GET MORE CLARITY. BUT WE ALSO, AGAIN, NEED TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE. THERE'S EXISTING PLANS ON HERE, AND WHEN I'VE TALKED TO STAFF, I DIDN'T GET THE INFORMATION ON THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS ON WHAT, WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO. I DIDN'T GET CONNECTED WITH YOU GUYS. SO I, I THINK THAT I'M WILLING TO GIVE THAT DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, UM, FOR THE NEXT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THIS NEXT GO ROUND. SO, UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, AND THIS IS DISTRICT FOUR. THIS IS MY DISTRICT, SO I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE, UM, UH, COLLABORATED WITH, BUT IT, IT'S OKAY. JUST SAY, I UNDERSTAND WHY, AND, AND I'M NOT BLAMING, UH, UH, UH, MR. PACHECO 'CAUSE YOU JUST GOT ON SO, OR, OR, OR YOU GUYS FOR THAT MATTER. SO, I MEAN, I, SO I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE LEASE FOR THREE MONTHS, UM, AND THEN, UH, HAVE STAFF WORK DIRECTLY WITH, WITH YOU ALL, WITH MYSELF, SOMEONE ELSE FROM CITY COUNCIL, I DON'T KNOW WHO, WHOEVER'S INTERESTED ON THESE AMENITIES ON THESE ITEMS AND WORKING TOWARDS A FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT, UM, THROUGH THE CHAIR. YEAH. WELL BE, FIRST OF ALL, ASK IF WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT. I'LL SECOND THAT FOR THE PURPOSE OF MAKING A COMMENT. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANTED OUR NEW DIRECTOR WITH THE DIRECTION ALSO OF OUR ACTING CITY MANAGER AND OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER TO REALLY REVISIT THIS. THAT'S ALL THAT I'M ASKING. YEAH. BECAUSE IT IS NOT FAIR FOR US TO THROW THIS AT MR. PACHECO, AND HE CANNOT EVEN ANSWER A VERY MINOR QUESTION EARLIER. TRUE. YEAH. SO, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH. ALRIGHT. UM, YEAH, I, I CAN GO ALONG WITH THE MOTION FOR THREE MONTHS, BUT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE TRY TO SHOOT FOR, UH, THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY, WHICH WILL BE ON THE THIRD. AND 'CAUSE IF YOU SAY 60 DAYS, 60 DAYS DOESN'T GET YOU TO THAT POINT EVEN. AND SO THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU MUCH, MUCH WIGGLE ROOM. AND I DON'T WANT TO JAM EVERYTHING UP ON THAT 20TH, UH, AS IT IS. THAT'S, THAT'S OUR NEXT MEETING. SO, UM, AND SO 30 DAYS WOULD BE OUTTA THE QUESTION 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT EVEN ANY MEETINGS IN 30 DAYS. UM, SO OH, SHOULD WE, SO THEN I CAN AMEND IT TO, UM, A SPECIFIC DATE. SO IF IT'S APRIL 1ST OR MARCH 1ST. WELL, IF, IF, WELL, IF, IF YOU SAY, IF YOU SAY 90, UH, 90 DAYS, UH, BUT AS I SAY, BUT MY REQUEST WOULD BE IN THAT, THAT WE SHOOT FOR THE, THE THIRD AND, UH, WHICH IS FEBRUARY, WHICH IS IN EFFECT 60 DAYS. UM, BUT, UH, UM, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE OUR NEXT, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING. UM, AND AT THAT POINT TO GOING FOR THE FULL FIVE, FIVE YEAR EXTENSION AND, AND ALL THE, THE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. BUT, BUT I, BUT I DO BELIEVE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SEEING YOUR FIVE YEAR PLAN SHOULD BE LIKE AN APPENDAGE TO THIS, UH, TO THE CONTRACT. THINGS ALONG THAT LINE REALLY IS THE KIND OF DEFINITION THAT WE NEED TO SEE. SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN POINT TO. PEOPLE SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU EXPECT TO SEE. THIS IS [04:25:01] WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT TO SEE AT THE GOLF COURSE. AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST, IT'S VERBIAGE AND, YOU KNOW, AND WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO SEE THAT, I THINK. BUT AS I SAY, BUT I, WHAT I'M HEARING UP HERE IS EVERYONE COMMITTED TO GOING WITH A FIVE YEAR, FIVE YEAR LEASE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GOING SOMEPLACE ELSE. YOU KNOW, DON'T, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. DON'T WORRY ABOUT LOSING YOUR JOB OR ANYTHING. UH, YOU KNOW, AND THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COMMITMENT TO THAT SPOT AS A GOLF COURSE. OKAY. SO MR. CHAIR, TIME SENSITIVE, WHAT THEY ARE SAYING? SAY WHAT? YOU SAID TIME SENSITIVE ON WHAT DAY? NO. YES. WELL, IF WE, IF WE SAY, IF WE SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, TO EXTEND FOR 90 DAYS, BUT TO ASK FOR IT TO BE BROUGHT BACK AT THE, UH, ON THE, SO, SO MAYOR, IF I MAY, SO THE LEASE ALREADY EXPIRED, SO IT'S, UH, EXPIRED NOW. SO THAT'S WHY, I MEAN, UH, FOR ME, I, I THINK, UH, RATHER THAN SAY 90 DAYS, AND THEN IT'S LIKE 90 DAYS FROM WHAT? FROM THE START OF THE EXPIRATION. SO I, THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT OF CERTAIN DATES NOW. WELL, WE, WE EXTENDED IT TO OCTOBER 31ST, I BELIEVE. RIGHT? OKAY. SO IF I WERE TO DO THE, WE WOULD BE EXTENDING IT FROM THAT DATE. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'D HAVE NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY, THAT'S 90 DAYS. EXACTLY. SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD RATHER DO LIKE MARCH 1ST, UM, TO, SO THEN THAT WHOLE FEBRUARY WE HAVE, CAN WE DO SOMETHING LIKE SIX 20 DAYS? OKAY. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. OR I CAN GO LONGER 20 DAYS, BUT THAT'S FROM THE TIME. YEAH. IF WE DID SIX MONTHS FROM THE END OF OCTOBER, NOVEMBER WITH THE IDEA THAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR THE FEBRUARY MEETING TO BRING IT BACK. SO I DON'T WANT TO WAIT. YOU DON'T WANNA WAIT TILL THE END OF THAT PERIOD AND FIND OURSELVES IN THE SAME PLACE. EXACTLY. WE'RE JUST GIVING OURSELVES SOME ROOM. BUT THE GOAL IS TO GET BACK TO COUNSEL BY THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY 3RD. FEBRUARY 3RD. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? FEBRUARY 3RD FROM YOUR SIDE? MM-HMM . YEAH. FEBRUARY 3RD. FEBRUARY 3RD. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, WHAT DID WE SAY? 120 DAY EXTENSION WITH THE IDEA THAT WE'RE COMING BACK IN FEBRUARY. FEBRUARY, WHAT'D YOU SAY? THIRD, THIRD, THIRD, THIRD. YES. OKAY. RIGHT. AND THEN THAT WILL ALSO GIVE, UH, MR. PACHECO A TIME TO GET CAUGHT UP ON ALL THIS. ALSO, AS I SAY, HE JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST CAME IN FULL TIME TWO WEEKS AGO AND HAS NOTHING, HAD NOTHING ELSE BESIDES THE GOLF COURSE ON HIS PLATE, HAVE YOU? AND, UH, SO IT IS, UH, UM, UM, AND SO THAT'LL GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO ALSO BE WORKING WITH YOU ON THIS SO YOU GUYS CAN, YOU KNOW, GET THAT RELATIONSHIP GOING. I WILL SAY HE DID GRAB THE BULL WITH BOTH HORNS GETTING INTO IT THOUGH. . OKAY. , THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT IN A FORM OF A MOTION IF THE MOTION'S NOT ON THE FLOOR YET. I THOUGHT IT DID. YEAH. AND THERE WAS SECONDED BY DITO, RIGHT? THERE WAS SECONDED BY, OKAY. YEAH. BUT LET ME, OR THE, YEAH, THE, I'M TRYING TO DO THE MOTION TO, YEAH, THERE IT IS. AND I KNOW ALL THESE ITEMS ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CHALLENGE MY COLLEAGUES TO THINK OF THE TIMELINE AT THIS POINT. AND WE HAVE ABOUT FOUR MORE ITEMS TO DISCUSS THOROUGHLY. YEAH. AND WHICH WE NEED TO ALSO DO AN EXTENSION HERE IN A MOMENT SOON AS, AS SOON AS WE FINISH OFF HERE. SO, SO THIS WOULD GIVE YOU BASICALLY A 120 DAY EXTENSION WITH THE IDEA OF THIS COMING BACK ON THE, UH, THE, THE THIRD OF, OF FEBRUARY AND GETTING YOUR FACILITY PLAN PROPOSAL, WHICH WAS NOT IN HERE AND ALL OF THAT. RIGHT? OKAY. UH, OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, OKAY. SEE NO MORE PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, LET'S MAKE SOME GOOD COME OUT OF THIS. ALRIGHT. UH, WE DO NEED TO HAVE A, UH, A MOTION TO EXTEND 'CAUSE WE'RE PAST THE 10 30 MARK. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND TILL MIDNIGHT. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND YOU GUYS PUSH IN YOUR BUTTONS. THERE WE GO. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, SO, UM, [12.2 Professional Services Agreement with Hinderliter, de Llamas & Associates for a Revenue Modernization Study of the City’s Business License Program] WE GO TO 12 TWO. THIS IS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH, UH, IN LITTER AT DELS DELS AND ASSOCIATES FOR REVENUE MODERNIZATION STUDY OF THE CITY'S BUSINESS LICENSE PROGRAM. OKAY, HERE WE GO. GO FOR IT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, I KNOW IT'S LATE, SO I'LL BE BRIEF, BUT MY NAME'S PEDRO GARCIA, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST, THREE FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. AND BEFORE YOU. TONIGHT WE HAVE A, UH, CONTRACT, A $50,000 CONTRACT WITH HDL, [04:30:01] UH, FOR A REVENUE MODERNIZATION STUDY. SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CITY TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH HDL TO CONDUCT A REVENUE MODERNIZATION STUDY. THE STUDY WILL EVALUATE NATIONAL CITY'S CURRENT BUSINESS LICENSE FRAMEWORK AND EXPLORE POTENTIAL MODERNIZATION OPTIONS. UH, AT THIS TIME, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO FEES, TAXES, OR BUSINESS OBLIGATIONS, UH, ARE BEING PROPOSED OR IMPLEMENTED AT THIS TIME. UH, THE STUDY IS APPROXIMATELY 10 TO 12 WEEKS, AT WHICH TIME AT WHICH IT WILL RETURN WITH FINDINGS OF, UH, OPTIONS AND POLICY CHOICES FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS. NOW, UH, WHY DOES THIS MATTER? RIGHT NOW? IT'S AN APPROPRIATE TIME FOR THE CITY TO EVALUATE, UH, MODERN SCALABLE REVENUE TOOLS TO ENSURE LONG-TERM FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY. OUR CURRENT BUSINESS LICENSE MODEL HAS NOT BEEN MEANINGFULLY, MEANINGFULLY UPDATED IN DECADES, AND IT JUST NO LONGER REFLECTS THE SIZE, SCALE, OR SERVICE IMPACTS OF TODAY'S BUSINESS COMMUNITY. WHAT DOES THE CITY CURRENTLY DO RIGHT NOW? SO, FOR OUR BUSINESS LICENSE STRUCTURE, IT'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A MIX FROM FLAT FEE MODEL TO SOME TIERED RATES, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT CLOSELY CONNECTED TO OUR GROSS RECEIPTS AND THE BUSINESS VOLUME AND ECONOMIC ACTIVITY OF OUR BUSINESSES. IT'S OUTDATED AND, UM, AND IT JUST DOESN'T REALLY REFLECT MODERN ECONOMIC REALITIES. CURRENTLY, OUR PROJECTED REVENUE FOR FY 26 IS ABOUT $425,000, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW REGIONAL, UH, CITIES WITH SIMILAR DEMOGRAPHICS. UH, ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES THAT COMES UP WHEN TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS LICENSES IS A $30 MILLION COMPANY AND A SMALL BUSINESS CAN PAY NEARLY THE SAME AMOUNT FOR THEIR FEE FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE, WHAT A MODERN MODEL LOOKS LIKE. AND THAT'S WHAT HDL WILL BE STUDYING IN THIS, UH, FEASIBILITY STUDY, WHICH IS A GROSS RECEIPTS BASED SYSTEM. SO A SMALL PERCENTAGE RATE APPLIED TO ANNUAL GROSS RECEIPTS, FOR EXAMPLE, 0.05 TO 0.1%, WHICH IS REVENUE CONTRIBUTION SCALES FAIRLY WITH BUSINESS SIZES. SOME CITIES NEAR US THAT ARE ALREADY USING THIS MODEL. UH, FOR SHORT, I LIKE TO USE GRT GROSS RECEIPTS TAX. UM, ESCONDIDO VISTA, CARLSBAD OCEANSIDE, AND SOME MAJOR CITIES LIKE LA, SAN FRANCISCO, LONG BEACH, SACRAMENTO, AND SAN JOSE. UH, TO KIND OF GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT A BUSINESS PAYS RIGHT NOW VERSUS WHAT THEY WOULD PAY IF A MODEL LIKE THIS WAS ADOPTED, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE COMPARISON RIGHT THERE THAT I ADDED, WHICH IS FOR A BUSINESS THAT MAKES $1.2 MILLION REVENUE, RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE PAYING AROUND 145 BUCKS RIGHT NOW, UH, UNDER THE GRT MODEL OF 0.1%, THEY'D BE PAYING ROUGHLY $1,200 AND A $3 MILLION REVENUE BUSINESS COULD BE PAYING RIGHT NOW, ROUGHLY 1 75, THEY COULD BE PAYING $3,000. AND WHERE YOU SEE A REALLY BIG DIFFERENCE IS A BUSINESS THAT MIGHT GENERATE $20 MILLION WORTH OF REVENUE. UH, THEY COULD BE PAYING A MAX RIGHT NOW, $500, AND WITH A NEW GRT MODEL, THEY COULD BE PAYING UPWARDS OF $20,000. WHAT ARE THE REVENUE POTENTIALS? AND THAT'S REALLY THE BIG QUESTION AND WHAT EVERYONE REALLY WANTS TO KNOW, WHICH IS, UH, AT THE 0.1%, UH, GRT, WHICH IS A DOLLAR PER $1,000. UH, OUR CITY'S BUSINESS ACTIVITY AS A WHOLE IS ROUGHLY $11 BILLION. AND THAT'S OUT OF ALL OF OUR BUSINESSES, 3000 PLUS BUSINESSES IN THE CITY. UM, A PROJECTED ANNUAL REVENUE, A NEW REVENUE IS ESTIMATED TO BE AROUND $7 MILLION TO $11 MILLION. BUT THOSE ARE ALL PENDING FINAL ANALYSIS, AND THAT'S WHAT STAFF IS ASKING TONIGHT OF COUNSEL TO APPROVE, WHICH IS THE, THE AGREEMENT WITH HDL TO DO THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY. SO, IN SUMMARY, WHAT THE COUNCIL IS BEING ASKED TO APPROVE TONIGHT IS NOT TO IMPLEMENT ANY TAX, IT'S JUST TO AUTHORIZE HTL TO CONDUCT A COMPREHENSIVE AND PROFESSIONAL ANALYSIS. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE STUDY WILL ONLY TAKE 10 TO 12 WEEKS. UH, WE SHOULD BE RECEIVING THAT FINAL REPORT, YOU KNOW, END OF FEBRUARY, BEGINNING OF MARCH. IT'LL COME BACK WITH OPTIONS, FISCAL IMPACTS, SECTOR IMPACTS, WHICH ARE ESSENTIALLY INDUSTRY IMPACTS, LEGAL REQUIREMENTS AND POTENTIAL BALLOT PATHWAYS. ANY FUTURE CHANGE [04:35:01] WOULD REQUIRE APPROVAL LIKELY NOVEMBER 26TH. UM, AND THEN I DID WANT TO ADD ONE LITTLE, UH, ASPECT TO IT ALL. THERE WERE SOME REQUESTS AND CHANGES TO THE AGREEMENT FROM HDL. SO, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT ESSENTIALLY IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE THE AGREEMENT TONIGHT, UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVE THE AGREEMENT SUBSTANTIALLY TO FORM SUBJECT TO FINAL APPROVAL BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR THE CITY MANAGER. UH, JUST GIVEN THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME JUST CHANGES, SMALL CHANGES OR NUANCES TO THE AGREEMENT THAT HDL HAS REQUESTED, BUT SCOPE COSTS WOULD ALL BE THE SAME. UM, AND I WOULD DEFER TO THE COD ATTORNEY FOR ANY OTHER, UH, DETAILS TO THAT. UH, BUT BESIDES THAT, UM, THAT'S, IT KEPT IT BRIEF, AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M AVAILABLE. OKAY. PEDRO, MORE IN THE LINE OF A COMMENT, UH, YOU SHOWED THE DIFFERENT OTHER CITIES THAT ARE ALREADY DOING STUFF ALONG THIS LINE. IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THAT, THAT SLIDE. THERE YOU GO. UM, OKAY. WE HAVE ESCONDIDO VISTA AND CARLSBAD OCEANSIDE. UH, WE'RE NOT REALLY, FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT, WE'RE NOT EVEN IN TOO MUCH OF A COMPETITION WITH THEM. UH, WE'RE IN COMPETITION FOR BUSINESSES, UH, WITH CHULA VISTA, SAN DIEGO, UH, IMPERIAL BEACH, THE ONES THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO US. AND OUR BORDERS ARE SO SMALL THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY PUT SOMETHING ACROSS THE STREET LIKE THE WALMART DOWN HERE ON THE, ON THE RIVER. UH, YOU KNOW, SO I COULD KIND OF CARE, CARE LESS WHAT LOS ANGELES AND SAN FRANCISCO AND LONG BEACH IS DOING. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY, THAT WE STAY COMPETITIVE WITHIN OUR AREA AS FAR AS TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES. AND, UH, I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE THIS BEING COMPARED TO THE, UM, PARKING LOT FEES IN BLAW PARK, UH, TYPE OF A CONCEPT. UH, YOU KNOW, BUT AS I SAY, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE COMPETITIVE, UH, AND REALISTIC. BUT SAME TIME, THAT'S GOTTA BE BALANCED. AND, AND AS I SAY, UM, THIS WAS A CON, THIS WAS A PROBLEM I HAD WITH HDL AND SOME OTHER THINGS IN THE PAST. UM, THEY, THEY KEPT MIXING APPLES AND ORANGES. AND TO ME, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THOSE CITIES ARE GONNA BE, ARE GONNA BE ORANGES TO OUR APPLES. AND, UH, UM, YEAH, BECAUSE I SAY OTHERWISE, WE'LL JUST DRIVE BUSINESS AWAY, SO, NO, I, I HEAR YOU ON THAT, UH, MR. MAYOR. MM-HMM. WE HAVE. OKAY. DO YOU ALL HAVE, DO WE HAVE SOMEONE DOWN HERE? I HAVE QUESTIONS. OKAY. DID I HAVE QUESTIONS AS WELL? HUH? I HAD QUESTIONS AS WELL. OKAY. COOK, GO AHEAD AND THEN WE'LL, THANK YOU. SO, SO WITH THE PREMISE OF THE ACTUAL STUDY, PROVIDE US MORE DETAIL INFORMATION, UM, TO SEE IF WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH, UH, THIS POTENTIAL CHANGE. THAT'S CORRECT. UH, RIGHT NOW THERE'S REALLY A LOT OF ANSWERS THAT WE DON'T, OR QUESTIONS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS TO RIGHT NOW. MM-HMM . THAT THIS STUDY WILL GIVE US A VERY COMPREHENSIVE, UH, OUTLOOK AT ALL OF IT. UH, AND IT'LL ALSO MAYBE ANSWER A LITTLE BIT MORE QUESTIONS THAT, LIKE THE MAYOR HAS ABOUT OUR COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE OR DISADVANTAGE IF WE WERE TO APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. YEAH. UM, IT WOULD BE, I THINK, VERY INSIGHTFUL TO KNOW HOW MANY BUSINESSES, I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT SAMPLE COMPARISONS, EARN OVER 20 MILLION IN REVENUE IN THE CITY, RIGHT? 3 MILLION LESS THAN 500,000. I WOULD THINK THAT A LOT OF THOSE ARE OWNER OPERATORS, WHICH I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE IMPACTED. SO I THINK HAVING ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, I THINK IS CRITICAL TO KNOW. BUT I DO SEE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LOCAL COFFEE SHOP, HOME, COFFEE, FOR EXAMPLE. AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS THE, UH, TEXAS ROADHOUSE, RIGHT? THE DIFFERENCE IN BUSINESS MODEL AND, UM, HOW MUCH REVENUE IT BRINGS IN IS SUBSTANTIAL. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, I THINK IT, I MEAN, IT'S ONLY FAIR TO, TO ACTUALLY, UM, MODIFY THE BUSINESS LICENSE FEES AS A RESULT. AND, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA WHEN A LOT OF CITIES AROUND US DO IT. UM, WOULD ALSO LOVE TO HAVE SOME ANALYSIS ABOUT THE LOCAL, UM, UM, NEIGHBORING CITIES. SO I KNOW THERE'S SOME ON THERE NOW, BUT, UH, IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, HAVE MORE INCORPORATION INTO SAN DIEGO COUNTY SPECIFIC. WILL DO. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO MAKE A COMMENT, UM, IN REGARDS TO SMALL BUSINESSES, LARGE BUSINESSES, THAT'LL DEFINITELY BE BROUGHT BACK. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WE CAN EASILY SAY THAT ANYONE THAT REPORTS HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OR LESS IN REVENUE IS A SMALL BUSINESS, RIGHT? AND, UH, [04:40:01] SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE REALLY LAID OUT IN REGARDS TO X BUSINESS DOES THIS AND X BUSINESS DOES THAT, BUT THEY'LL BE CATEGORIZED IN INDUSTRIES OR IN ESSENTIALLY TIERS OF REVENUES. SO, THANK YOU. YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. I BELIEVE BLUES WAS NEXT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU PEDRO, FOR WORKING ON THIS. THIS IS, UM, THIS IS EXCELLENT. I THINK, UH, REVENUE MODERNIZATION STUDY. I LOVE THIS TITLE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T MODERNIZED OUR BUSINESS LICENSE FEE, UH, IN APPARENTLY SOME TIME. AND TO SEE HOW OUTDATED THE CURRENT FEE IS REALLY HURTS. SO TO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, I'M HIGHLY IN FAVOR OF THIS. UM, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT SLIDE, ACTUALLY. UM, YOU SAY HERE, A SMALL PERCENTAGE IS APPLIED, SO THROUGH THIS STUDY, HDL WOULD HELP US ARRIVE AT WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE WOULD BE. THE CALCULATIONS YOU HAVE GIVEN US ARE IN, UM, ASSUMING A 0.1%, BUT I WOULD ASSUME HDL WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, WOULD CONSIDER THAT RANGE BETWEEN THE 0.05 UP TO THE 0.1%. YEAH, THE, THE STANDARD IS USUALLY A DOLLAR FOR, UH, A THOUSAND PER THOUSAND DOLLARS, WHICH IS THE 0.1%. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, AND DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS BECAUSE AGAIN, WE STILL NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THE ANSWERS ARE GONNA BE FROM THE REPORT. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE COUNCIL MAY DECIDE THAT FOR, UH, HOTELS IT SHOULD BE MAYBE A LOWER PERCENTAGE BECAUSE THEY ALREADY PAID 'CAUSE OF THE T-A-T-O-T. UH, OR BECAUSE OUR DEALERSHIP INDUSTRY, OUR AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY ALREADY PAYS, UH, A BIG BURDEN ON SALES TAX THAT GETS PASSED ON TO THE CONSUMER. OKAY. SO I GET IT. THERE'S WAYS TO, UH, TIER IT ESSENTIALLY, AND THAT'S WHY THERE IS SUCH A BIG RANGE, RIGHT? IT COULD BE AS LITTLE AS MAYBE $5 MILLION OR AS HIGH AS $11 MILLION. THAT MAKES SENSE. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONE RATE ACROSS THE BOARD. NO, THERE COULD BE MANY WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN IMPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, A, UH, A RATE THAT'S APPLICABLE. UM, I DO AGREE WITH, UH, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERATE OF LIKE SMALL BUSINESSES, FOR EXAMPLE, OR A BUSINESS THAT HAS LIKE FIVE EMPLOYEES, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, CONSIDER ESPECIALLY A BUSINESS THAT WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO PASS ON THE COST TO CONSUMERS, UM, AND IF THOSE CONSUMERS ARE NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS, RIGHT? UM, I THINK LOOKING AT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WOULD BE ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH WE WOULD CONSIDER WHAT THE RATE WOULD BE AN APPLICABLE RATE. UM, IF IT'S A LARGE RETAIL BIG BOX STORE, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE WALMART, LIKE, UM, SMART AND FINAL, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SMART AND VINYL EARLIER. UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF STORES I THINK WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, ABSORB THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS LICENSE FEE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS A LITTLE BIT MORE READILY THAN, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, A STORE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A SMALL STORE, LIKE A FLOWER SHOP, FOR EXAMPLE. SO, UH, AND THEN ALSO JUST THE SAMPLE COMPARISON YOU HAVE HERE DOES MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. YOU KNOW, A COMPANY THAT MAKES ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS AND IS ONLY PAYING $145 ANNUALLY FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE, IF WE BUMP THAT TO JUST OVER A THOU A THOUSAND DOLLARS, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, IN COMPARISON TO A MILLION DOLLARS IN REVENUE THAT THEY MAKE IN GROSS RECEIPTS, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS. YOU KNOW, AND IT'S GONNA HELP OUR CITY, IT'S GONNA HELP OUR BUDGET. GOD KNOWS WE'RE GONNA NEED THAT HELP, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL OF THE EXPENSES THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. SO I THINK THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE NOW IS YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL CONTRACT WITH HDL. WHAT IS THE COST OF THAT CONTRACT? IT'S, UH, $50,000. THANK YOU. I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS. AND JUST ONE LITTLE COMMENT ON YOUR PASS THROUGH. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SALES TAX MEASURE OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN IMMEDIATE PASS THROUGH, RIGHT? YOU SEE THAT EVERY TIME YOU TRANSACT SOMETHING, UM, EVERYONE'S HESITANCY IS, THIS IS A NEW BURDEN ON THE BUSINESS, RIGHT? $1,200. BUT EVEN IF YOU WERE TO CONSTITUTE THAT INCREASE OF COST FOR THE BUSINESS AS A PASS THROUGH TO THE CONSUMER, LET'S JUST SAY THERE'S A THOUSAND TRANSACTIONS TO MAKE THAT $1.2 MILLION IN THE YEAR, THAT'S ABOUT A DOLLAR PER TRANSACTION. SO IT'S REALLY, IT'S SUCH A NOMINAL AMOUNT WHEN YOU REALLY TAKE A BIG LOOK AT HOW MUCH REVENUE THE BUSINESS IS MAKING. SO IT'S NOT AS IMPACTFUL AS IT WERE TO BE LIKE A SALES TAX MEASURE INCREASE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ONE OTHER THING IS THAT WHATEVER WE WERE TO COME UP WITH AND THAT WE APPROVE, THAT STILL HAS TO GO TO THE VOTERS. CORRECT? A HUNDRED PERCENT, YES. YEAH. SO IT STILL HAS TO, IT HAS TO, WE JUST CAN'T SAY IT LOOKS GOOD TO US. IT'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING THAT'S SELLABLE TO THE VOTERS. YES. AND WOULD THAT BE A 50% VOTE OR A TWO THIRDS VOTE? IT'S A 50. OKAY. 50% [04:45:01] SLIGHTLY. YEAH. 50 PLUS, YEAH. YEP. YES. ALRIGHT. IT, IT WOULD BE A, UH, UH, TWO THIRDS IF IT WAS A SPECIAL TAX, RIGHT? LIKE A SPECIAL DISTRICT, UM, . THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, MR. GARCIA, OUR, UM, BRIEFING THEN WITH CITY MANAGER WAS BASICALLY NOT A BUSINESS PERMIT, BUT A BUSINESS SALES TAX. THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, CORRECT? CORRECT. IT'S THE STUDY, THE MODEL. SO, BECAUSE I'M HEARING BUSINESS LICENSING BUSINESS PERMIT BUSINESS FEES, NO. RIGHT? CORRECT. NO, THIS IS, UH, BUSINESS LICENSE TAX, BUSINESS LICENSE STACKS. THAT'S WHY IT'S GONNA GO TO THE PEOPLE. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. UM, I, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A DIFFERENT, YOU IN CONTRACT WITH HTL WITH REGARDS TO OUR BUSINESS PERMITTING. THEY HANDLE THAT. THIS IS A DIFFERENT STUDY THAT YOU ARE PROPOSED PROPOSING TO US TO SEE IF THERE'S A FEASIBILITY THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, WITH THIS, UM, BY WHEN NOVEMBER, YOU SAID? YEAH. WELL, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE IT ON THE BALLOT BY AUGUST. SO ESSENTIALLY END OF JUNE. OKAY. SO, LOOKING AT THIS NOW, LISTENING TO MY COLLEAGUES HERE AND REMEMBERING WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT LAST TUESDAY ON, UH, MY ONE-ON-ONE WITH, UM, CHIEF, AND YOU WERE THERE, PRESENTED THIS TO ME. I UNDERSTOOD YOUR PRESENTATION VERY, VERY WELL. UM, HOWEVER, NOW THE THINKING ABOUT THIS, UM, DO WE GET A REPORT FROM HDL ON WHAT, UM, BUSINESSES, PERMITTING PROCESSES DO WE HAVE? LIKE, WHO PAYS US THOSE KIND OF MONEY THAT YOU HAVE, UM, INDICATED HERE? DO WE HAVE THAT REPORT THAT WE CAN PULL AT LEAST? SO THEN WE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW WE ARE YOU, UM, OF HOW WE ARE GOING YOU TO, UM, TO AT LEAST REFER THAT TO THIS IF IT'S GONNA BE, UM, FI FEASIBLE. DO YOU HAVE THAT? ARE YOU REF, ARE YOU ASKING IF WE GET A REPORT ABOUT HOW MUCH EVERYONE PAYS FOR THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE FOR BUSINESSES PERMITS? YES. PER, PER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HOW MANY BUSINESSES THAT ARE REALLY PAYING TO THE CITY FROM THIS PERMIT, UM, THAT HDL IS DOING? I, I DON'T KNOW. I I HAVE HEARD THIS HDL MY THREE MONTHS IN OFFICE, AND I DON'T LIKE HOW THEY SERVICE THE CITY. SO NOW, BUT THIS IS DIFFERENT, YOU SAID, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS A STUDY IF WE ARE GONNA GO WITH A BUSINESS SALES BUSINESS PERMIT TAX. SO I LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT TO SEE IF THE STUDY IS FEASIBLE. UM, BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE ON A SEPARATE REQUEST TO OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR TO SEE IF THERE'S A REPORT THAT WOULD GIVE ME THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST AN OVERVIEW NUMBER ON WHAT WE ARE GOING TO LOOK FORWARD WITH THIS ONE. YEAH. I, SORRY, I HAVE TO FORCE IT TO YOU. SORRY. I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, BUT I'M SURE HDL CAN PROVIDE US, UH, A LINE ITEM IN REGARDS TO HOW MUCH OUR BUSINESSES CURRENTLY PAY. UH, THE NUMBER I TOOK OUT WAS FROM OUR PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FY 26. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF HDL HAS AN ITEMIZED LIST THAT, UH, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR GETS ON A QUARTERLY OR MONTHLY BASIS, BUT I'M SURE THEY CAN PRODUCE SOMETHING FOR US. I HOPE SO. I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT SINCE MY THREE MONTHS IN OFFICE. THANK YOU. UH, SO I, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS STUDY. I, I DID HAVE SOME EARLY CONCERNS OF, UM, HDL, BUT, UM, SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE DOING OKAY WITH OUR PERMITTING OUR, OUR BUSINESSES, AND IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THEM SINCE THEY ALREADY HAVE THAT EXISTING DATA. AND I THINK IT WOULD TAKE LONGER. IT'D BE HARDER FOR ANOTHER, UM, FIRM TO DO IT. UM, I THINK THAT, UH, I MEAN THE MAYOR YOU BROUGHT UP, UM, THE, YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE COMPARISONS OF OTHER CITIES, BUT THESE, THOSE WERE JUST OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE THIS, THIS TAX. SO I THINK THAT WAS A FAIR COMPARISON. ALSO, I THINK IN THE ANALYSIS, I DO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD ANALYZE WHAT THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OR WHAT THE, UM, POTENTIAL BUSINESS IMPACTS WOULD BE. SO HOPEFULLY THE ANALYSIS IN LOOKING AT THOSE OTHER CITIES, LIKE WHERE HAS THE BUSINESS LICENSE, UM, TAX CAUSED BUSINESSES TO MOVE OUT, OR WHAT, UH, INDUSTRIES HAS, HAS IT AFFECTED? THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THIS STEADY CAN, THAT HCL CAN LOOK AT, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY, GREAT. UM, YEAH, SO I'M, [04:50:01] UH, I, I'M REALLY, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS, UH, PEDRO AND ANY OF THE OTHER STAFF THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH THIS. UM, I THINK THIS IS LONG OVERDUE. UM, WE SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT ON THIS A LITTLE EARLIER, BUT I'M GLAD WE'RE AT IT NOW. AND, UM, HOPEFULLY THEY CAN GET, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR WHEN THEY CAN COMPLETE THE STUDY? UH, THEY'RE PREDICTING 10 TO 12 WEEKS, SO I'M HOPING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL NO LATER THAN MARCH. GREAT. 'CAUSE 'CAUSE WE DEFINITELY NEED, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUDGET ITEMS, UM, TONIGHT. AND SO THIS IS, I, I THINK ONE OF THE MOST CONCRETE STEPS THAT WE'VE TAKEN FOR ACTUALLY SUBSTANTIAL POTENTIAL REVENUE GENERATION. SO I, I REALLY, UH, APPRECIATE THAT. AND, UH, I, I SUPPORT THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT. DO WE, I MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THIS REQUEST FOR, UH, CONTRACT $50,000 AGREEMENT? YEAH. SECOND. OKAY. UH, PENDING REVIEW BY LEGAL. YEAH. SO, UM, I THINK MR. UH, GARCIA REFERRED TO SOME, UM, PROPOSED TWEAKS OR CHANGES THAT WERE ASKED FOR BY HDL, AND THEY CAME IN LATE. WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH 'EM. SO, UM, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE OR ASK YOU TO DO, IS THAT THE RESOLUTION THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET, IT WOULD BE MODIFIED THAT, UM, TO SAY THAT THE AGREEMENT SHALL BE SUBSTANTIALLY AS TO THE FORM AS EXHIBIT A TO THE AGENDA REPORT, SUBJECT TO FINAL APPROVAL BY THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY. SO, MOVED SECOND. OKAY. . OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. UH, MR. NETTO. OH, THIS PUBLIC. OH, YES. SORRY. HUH? THIS A PUBLIC THIS. DO WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT? YEAH, WE HAD, OH, COME ON UP. COME ON UP. MAYBE IT'LL CHANGE OUR MIND AND WE'LL RECONSIDER. WHO KNOWS? I JUST, I THOUGHT, SORRY, ED, CHANGE YOUR MIND. UH, ACTUALLY, I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UH, I LIKE THE, UH, IDEA. I THINK THIS IS THINKING OUT OF THE BOX. YOU GOT A PROBLEM AND YOU NEED A SOLUTION. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE MOST CONCRETE SOLUTIONS I'VE SEEN, UM, AND HEARD, UH, I COMMEND PEDRO FOR, UH, BRINGING IT UP. UM, THE ONLY THING IS, I, I DO HAVE TO HAVE A CONCERN. YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE POLITICAL PUSHBACK ON THIS, AND IN TERMS OF RAISING FEES FOR BUSINESSES, AND YOU GUYS HAVEN'T HAD A GREAT TRACK RECORD IN RAISING FEES, CITY FEES, SO YOU GOTTA HAVE SOME BACKBONE FOR THIS. GOOD LUCK. ALRIGHT. STARTED THAT OFF SO POSITIVELY AND ENDED ON THE DOWNER. OKAY. UM, OH, WE GOT ANOTHER SLIP. OKAY. YEAH. UH, OKAY. SO [12.3 City of National City Annual Comprehensive Financial Report (ACFR) for the Fiscal Year Ended June 30, 2024] NEXT WE GO TO, UH, OH, THE CITY OF, UH, 12.3, THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY'S ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT. THE AFRA, IS THAT HOW WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT ONE NOW? A YES. THE A, UH, FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, UH, ENDING OF JUNE 20TH, UH, 24. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. UM, I'LL BE PRESENTING THE ACT FOR TONIGHT, ALONG WITH, UM, IS THIS YOUR MICROPHONE? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? NO, THE LIGHT'S NOT WORKING, THAT'S WHY. SO, UM, I'LL DO A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE FI OF THE FINANCIALS, AND THEN, UM, COLEY DELANEY FROM THE PRUNE GROUP WILL DO A PRESENTATION ON THE AUDIT PROCESS. AND, UM, ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING THE AUDIT ITSELF, HE CAN ANSWER THAT FOR YOU, MR. MAYOR, MR. KOHL. COREY DELANEY IS OUR ALSO, UM, AUDITOR FOR, UH, OTHER AGENCIES THAT I SIT IN. SO, BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, YOU SHOULD HAVE A HARD COPY OF OUR ER. AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY DIFFICULT, WELL, SLEEPING TONIGHT, YOU CAN ALWAYS TRY AND READ, READ THE FER, AND I'M SURE IT'LL HELP YOU THOSE RIGHT OFF. JUST LOOKING AT THE TITLE I STARTED YAWNING, SO THAT'S OKAY. SO, UM, IN THE PRESENTATION ON, GO OVER A REALLY HIGH VIEW OF THE FINANCIALS. SO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE ITEMS AND THEN FOCUS A LITTLE BIT ON THE GENERAL FUND. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USUALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS, IS THE GENERAL FUND ITSELF. AND THEN I'LL HAND IT OVER [04:55:01] TO OUR AUDITOR. SO THE ACT FOR ITSELF IS BROKEN DOWN INTO FIVE CATEGORIES. THE INTRODUCTORY SECTION, THE FINANCIAL SECTION, THE INTRODUCTORY SECTION THAT ACTUALLY, THERE'S A TRANSMITTAL LETTER THAT, UM, KIND OF EXPLAINS AN INTRODUCTION TO THE FER, AS WELL AS THE ORG CHART. AND THEN WE GET INTO THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. AND ON PAGE ONE IS ACTUAL AUDIT REPORT. AND THEN WE GO INTO THE MDNA, WHICH IS THE MANAGEMENT DISCUSSION ANALYSIS, WHICH IS FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. AND THEN ROUGHLY ABOUT PAGE 20, WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS THEMSELVES. UH, WITHIN THE AFER WE HAVE THE REQUIRED SUPPLEMENTAL, UM, INFORMATION, AND THEN WE GET INTO THE SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION. AND THIS THE STATISTICAL SECTION AT THE VERY END OF THE AFER, THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, UM, I BELIEVE IT STARTS AROUND PAGE 18 OR SO. UM, IT LOOKS AT FIRST CITYWIDE, IT TAKES ALL OF OUR FUNDS AND BASICALLY COMBINES THEM TOGETHER AS CITYWIDE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. AND THEN WE GET INTO THE GOVERNMENTAL FUND, FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, FOLLOWED BY THE PROPRIETARY. THE PROPRIETARY FOR US IS OUR INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS. AND THEN FIDUCIARY IS ACTUALLY THE, UM, SUCCESSOR AGENCY FUNDS. AND THEN THE NOTES TO THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. UM, SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS FOR THE ACT FOR, UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO, UM, MAKE A COMMENT. I THINK BELIEVE YOU, THERE'S A ERROR IN YOUR HANDOUT. THE REVENUES EXCEEDED EXPENDITURES. 11.3 MILLION. I THINK THERE WAS A, ANOTHER NUMBER THAT WAS ON YOUR HANDOUT. UM, SO, UM, AND THEN OUR CAPITAL ASSETS INCREASED BY 9.2 MILLION FOR THE YEAR. OUR LONG TERM DEBT DECREASED BY 5.1 MILLION. OUR OPED LIABILITY INCREASED BY 150,000. AND THEN OUR NET PENSION LIABILITY INCREASED BY 6.7 MILLION. AND THAT'S CITYWIDE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. OVERALL, WE HAVE 59 FUNDS. I THINK THIS IS OVERLOOKED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHEN WE PRESENT FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. AND THERE'S A LOT OF OUR FUNDS, UM, HAVE A LITTLE ACTIVITY, AND THEN THERE'S SOME FUNDS THAT HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITY. BUT IT'S, UM, A LOT OF WORK FOR OUR STAFF TO PROCESS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UM, WE HAVE LABOR COSTS AND QUITE A FEW OF OUR FUNDS, SO WE'RE PAYING OUR EMPLOYEES AND WE HAVE, UM, AP INVOICES THAT HIT VARIOUS FUNDS. BUT MY PRESENT, TODAY'S PRESENTATION TONIGHT WILL FOCUS ON THEIR GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS REALLY THE ONLY FUND THAT HAS DISCRETIONARY SPENDING. THE OTHER FUNDS ARE, UM, FOR A PACIFIC PURPOSE, WE REFER TO AS SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS. THAT'S GENERALLY OUR, UM, GRANTS LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, CDBG, SECTION EIGHT, THE GAS TAX FUND. AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, AGAIN, THE PROPRIETARY FUNDS REPRESENTS THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS. WE HAVE A CAPITAL PROJECT, FUNDS, AND, UM, ON DEBT SERVICE FUNDS. SO IN THE PRESENTATION HERE, I HAVE, UM, REVENUES FOR THE GENERAL FUND. AND WHAT I'M SHOWING IN COLUMN IN THE BLUE COLUMN IS THE FINANCIAL REVENUES FOR THE GENERAL FINAL FOR THE CURRENT AUDIT YEAR, COMPARED TO 2023 FINANCIAL FIGURES. OVERALL, OUR REVENUES COMPARING TO 23 TO 24, INCREASED ABOUT $4 MILLION. AND THEN, UM, THE COLUMN TO THE RIGHT OF THE BLUE, THE GREEN COLLAR IS OUR, OUR BUDGET. IT INCLUDES OUR ADOPTED BUDGET AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE, OF THE FISCAL YEAR PLUS AMENDMENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AND WE EXCEEDED OUR REVENUES FOR THIS PARTICULAR YEAR BY ROUGHLY, UM, 5.7 MILLION OVER OUR PROJECTIONS. THE ONE ITEM THERE, THE KIND OF A PEACH COLUMN THAT'S COMPARING THE ACTUAL TO BUDGET, IS COMPARING THE BLUE COLUMN TO THE GREEN COLUMN. UM, THERE'S A VARIANCE THERE, A POSITIVE VARIANCE IN OTHER REVENUE. AND THEN PRIMARY ITEM, WHAT'S CAUSING THAT TO INCREASE IS, UM, INTERESTING INCOME FOR THE YEAR. GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES, UM, HERE IS BROKEN DOWN BY DEPARTMENT. THE BLUE COLUMN REPRESENTS THE AUDIT YEAR. AND OUR REVENUES, EXCUSE ME, OUR EXPENDITURES EXCEEDED, UM, FOR 2024, EXCEEDED 2023 BY 4 MILLION, AND WE ACTUALLY CAME IN UNDER BUDGET BY 8 MILLION. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE KIND OF A PEACH COLOR COLUMN, THAT'S OUR VARIANCE BETWEEN ACTUAL TO BUDGET. THE LARGEST ITEM THERE IS OUR CIPS. AND AS, AS YOU KNOW, WE NORMALLY BUDGET FOR THE FULL COST OF THE CIP PROJECT. HOWEVER, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, CIP PROJECTS EXTEND OVER MULTIPLE FISCAL YEARS. SO IN THIS PARTICULAR YEAR, WE SPENT 1.8, UH, TOWARDS CAPITAL PROJECTS, BUT ACTUALLY HAD BUDGETED, UM, 8.4 WITH A, A SAVINGS OF ROUGHLY [05:00:01] FIVE, EXCUSE ME, 8.5 MILLION. IT'S NOT REALLY A SAVINGS, IT'S MORE REALLY A, A DEFERRAL IN INTO FUTURE YEARS. BUT ON, ON A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, IT'S, UM, A POSITIVE VARIANCE. AND THEN IF WE LOOK AT, UM, GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES FROM, I CALL IT BY A CATEGORY, THAT'S REALLY HOW WE SPEND OUR FUNDS. UM, WAGES AND BENEFITS FOR 2024 REPRESENT ABOUT 59% OF OUR TOTAL GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES. AND FOR THIS PARTICULAR YEAR, WE DID HAVE A SURPLUS OF 5.5 MILLION, UM, REVENUE SUCCEEDED EXPENDITURES. AND THE TWO PRIMARY ITEMS THAT REALLY, UM, HELPED TO SUPPORT THAT SURPLUS WAS IN 2024 WAS OUR LAST YEAR THAT WE TRANSFERRED 2 MILLION OF ARPA FUNDS INTO THE GENERAL FUND ON TOP OF ABOUT $3 MILLION OF INTEREST INCOME COMBINED HELPS CREATE THAT, UM, SURPLUS. AND THEN, UM, LASTLY, I WANT TO GO OVER JUST OUR, OUR FUND BALANCE. WE TEND TO FOCUS ON THE AMOUNT OF THE UNASSIGNED WITHIN OUR GENERAL FUND, AND THIS FALLS UNDER GS B 54 AND REQUIRES A BREAKDOWN OF OUR, OUR FUND BALANCE INTO THESE FIVE CATEGORIES WITH, UM, STARTING OUT REALLY NONS SPENDABLE, WHICH IS REALLY, UM, MORE RESTRICTIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE UNASSIGNED, WHICH IS LESS RESTRICTIVE. BUT WE, UM, OFTEN TALK ABOUT THE COMMITTED THAT IT'S AUTHORIZED BY CITY COUNCIL. THE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE COMMITTED CATEGORY IS, UM, FACILITY MAINTENANCE RESERVE, AS WELL AS THE ECONOMIC CONTINGENCY RESERVE. AND THEN, UM, BELOW THAT WE HAVE ASSIGNED, AND THAT REPRESENTS ITEMS THAT WE, UM, ARE SETTING ASIDE FOR FUTURE PAYMENT. FOR EXAMPLE, OUR PURCHASE ORDER, ANY PURCHASE ORDERS AT THE END OF THE PHYSICAL YEAR, WE RECOGNIZE THE VALUE OF THOSE PURCHASE ORDERS, AS WELL AS, UM, CIP PROJECTS AND ACCUMULATED, UM, EMPLOYEE, UM, LEAVE AVAILABLE. AND THEN LASTLY, THE UNASSIGNED REALLY REPRESENTS THE BALANCE THAT'S LEFT OVER. THAT DOES NOT FALL INTO ANY OF THE OTHER FOUR CATEGORIES. BUT AS WE ENDED THE YEAR IN 2024, WE ENDED WITH AN UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE OF 26.6 MILLION. AND THAT IS, UH, UM, THREE, THREE, ROUGHLY 3.6 MILLION FROM THE PRIOR YEAR IN 2023. SO OVERALL, WE INCREASED OUR UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE, AND WE HAD A SURPLUS WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND OF ROUGHLY FIVE, A LITTLE OVER $5 MILLION. AND THAT REALLY CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I CAN, UH, GET, I'LL GET STARTED WITH MINE. SO, UM, YEAH, MY NAME IS COLEY DELANEY. UH, I'M THE, UH, AUDIT ENGAGEMENT PARTNER FOR THE, UH, THE 20 24 20 24, UH, AUDIT. UM, I HAVE A, UH, A BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR YOU. I'M GONNA GO OVER TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WE WERE ENGAGED TO DO OUR AUDIT SCOPE, UH, GO OVER SOME REQUIRED COMMUNICATIONS BY, UM, GENERALLY ACCEPTED AUDITING STANDARDS. UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT RESPONSIBILITIES IN THE SPLIT BETWEEN MANAGEMENT, UH, AND THE AUDITORS. UH, AND THEN I WILL DISCUSS THE AUDIT RESULTS FOR THE 2024 AUDIT. SO, UM, AS BRUCE MENTIONED, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THE ACT FOR THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT. WE ACTUALLY ISSUED, UH, FIVE REPORTS, FIVE AUDIT REPORTS THIS YEAR, STARTING WITH THE, THE FER. UH, WE ALSO ISSUED A REPORT ON THE FEDERAL SINGLE AUDIT. SO ANY, ANY NON, UH, FEDERAL ENTITY THAT EXPENDS OVER $750,000 A YEAR, UH, IN FEDERAL MONEY, UH, IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A FEDERAL SINGLE AUDIT. WE ALSO PERFORMED, UH, WE CALL IT A UP, WHICH IS AGREED UPON PROCEDURES, UH, ON THE 2025, UH, APPROPRIATIONS LIMIT CALCULATION. THOSE ARE ALWAYS DONE, UH, ONE YEAR, UH, ONE YEAR AHEAD. SO WE'LL BE DOING 2026 IN WHEN WE'RE DOING THE 2025 AUDIT. UH, WE ALSO AUDITED THE HUD FINANCIAL DATA SCHEDULES, WHICH ARE SUB SUBMITTED TO, UH, TO, TO HUD AND, AND THEIR REACT WEBSITE. AND THEN WE ALSO ARE DOING, UH, WE ALSO DID AGREED UPON PROCEDURES ON THE, UM, THE HUD REACT SUBMISSION FROM THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT AS WELL. SO SOME OF THE REQUIRED COMMUNICATIONS, UM, REGARDING INDEPENDENCE, UH, BOTH THE, ALL THE INDIVIDUALS ON THE AUDIT TEAM AND THE FIRM ITSELF. UH, WE, WE WERE ALL INDEPENDENT FROM THE CITY, UH, FOR THE CITY'S SIGNIFICANT ACCOUNTING POLICIES. THOSE ARE DISCLOSED IN NOTE IN, UH, NOTE ONE TO THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. UH, THIS YEAR, THE CITY IMPLEMENTED GASB STATEMENT NUMBER 100, WHICH IS, UH, ACCOUNTING CHANGES IN ERROR CORRECTIONS THAT DID NOT HAVE, UH, AN IMPACT ON THE CITY'S FINANCIAL REPORTING. UH, THIS YEAR, HOWEVER, IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT, UH, NEXT YEAR, UM, AS A [05:05:01] ANOTHER, UH, GS B STATEMENT WILL BE, UH, WILL BE IMPLEMENTED THAT WILL REQUIRE, UH, ERROR, WILL REQUIRE, UH, DISCLOSURES FOR ACCOUNTING CHANGES. SO THAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT YEAR. SO NOTHING RELATED TO THAT THIS YEAR. THERE ARE, UH, IN THE ACT FOR SOME, UH, ESTIMATES USED IN THE, IN THE GENERATION OF, OF THESE NUMBERS, UH, THE MORE SIGNIFICANT ONES OF THOSE ARE FAIR VALUE ON INVESTMENTS. UH, THE DEPRECIATION IN AMORTIZATION ON CAPITAL ASSETS, UH, THE NET PENSION LIABILITY AND, AND OPEP LIABILITY ACTUARIAL INPUTS, UH, THAT ARE, THAT THEY USE TO CALCULATE. UH, THOSE LIABILITIES ARE ALSO, UH, BASED ON, ON ESTIMATES. MOVING ON, UH, THERE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE IN, IN FRONT OF YOU. AND IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA READ THE WHOLE THING, WE AT LEAST LIKE TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, POINT OUT SOME OF THE, UH, THE MORE SORT OF, UH, SIGNIFICANT, UH, DISCLOSURES IN THE FOOTNOTES. AND SO, UH, STARTING WITH NOTE ONE, THAT'S THE REPORTING ENTITY AND THAT, AND THAT BREAKS OUT ALL OF THE CITY'S, UH, ACCOUNTING POLICIES. UH, NOTE FORWARD LOANS RECEIVABLE NOTE 11, DISCUSS DISCUSSES THE, UH, THE PENSION PLANS FOR MISCELLANEOUS AND SAFETY. NOTE 12 IS OPEP. AND THEN, UH, NOTE 13 TALKS ABOUT COMMITMENTS AND CONTINGENCIES. AND SO WHAT THAT DISCUSSES IS THE, UH, REMAINING CONTRACTUAL COMMITMENTS OF THE CITY THAT HAVE NOT YET BEEN RECOGNIZED IN THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, UH, BUT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE. UH, NOTE 14 IS THE CLASSIFICATION OF FUND BALANCES. AND I THINK, UM, BRUCE JUST DID A NICE, UH, RUNDOWN OF, UM, KIND OF BREAKING OUT TONY, WHAT THOSE CATEGORIES, UH, ARE ABOUT. BUT IT SPELLS OUT THE CITY'S RESERVE POLICIES, UH, AND BALANCES FOR ITS, UH, PENSION AND SECTION. SECTION ONE 15 TRUSTS, UH, AS WELL AS THE ECONOMIC CONTINGENCY RESERVE, UH, AND THE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE RESERVE, UM, MISSTATEMENTS, THERE WERE NO, UH, UNCORRECTED MISSTATEMENTS, UH, REPORTED SOMETIMES, UM, WHEN THERE ARE, UH, MISSTATEMENTS NOTED THAT FALL BELOW A CERTAIN, UH, TRIVIAL DOLLAR AMOUNT, UH, THEY CAN, THEY CAN BE PASSED ON. BUT WE DID NOT, UH, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY, ANY OF THOSE, UH, THIS YEAR. BASICALLY EVERY MISSTATEMENT THAT, THAT WE FOUND, UM, WAS, UH, WAS ULTIMATELY CORRECTED, UH, REGARDING CONSULTATIONS WITH, UH, WITH OTHER ACCOUNTANTS. UH, THERE WERE NO CONSULTATIONS, UH, REGARDING AUDITING OR OTHER MATTERS. UH, WE DID NOT ENCOUNTER SIGNIFICANT DI DIFFICULTIES IN DEALING WITH, UH, WITH MANAGEMENT. UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DI DISAGREEMENTS WITH MANAGEMENT ABOUT, UH, IN TERMS OF ACCOUNTING TREATMENTS OR AUDIT PROCEDURES PERFORMED. UH, AND WE DID NOT COME ACROSS, UH, ANY TRANSACTIONS DURING THE AUDIT WHERE THERE WAS A LACK OF AUTHORITATIVE GUIDANCE. SO, MOVING ON TO, UH, AUDIT RESPONSIBILITIES, UH, WE WILL START WITH MANAGEMENT. SO MANAGEMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. THEY DO BELONG TO MANAGEMENT. WE HELP COMPILE THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. BUT ULTIMATELY, THESE BELONG TO, UH, BELONG TO MANAGEMENT. UH, WE MANAGEMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR PRESENTING THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, WITH US GAAP FOR ADOPTING SOUND ACCOUNTING POLICIES FOR ESTABLISHING AND MAINTAINING INTERNAL CONTROLS OVER FINANCIAL REPORTING AND COMPLIANCE, UH, AND FOR PROVIDING THE AUDITORS WITH EVIDENCE SUPPORTING THE AMOUNTS, UH, AND THE DISCLOSURES IN THE FOOTNOTES. AND ULTIMATELY, UH, MANAGEMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PREVENTING, UH, PREVENTING AND DETECTING FRAUD. UH, AS THE AUDITORS, UH, WE, OUR NUMBER ONE RESPONSIBILITY IS TO, UH, FORM AN EXPRESSIVE OPINION ABOUT WHETHER THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE MATERIALLY FAIRLY STATED. UH, WE DO PLAN AND PERFORM THE AUDIT TO OBTAIN A REASONABLE ASSURANCE, BUT WE DO NOT PROVIDE ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE, UH, ON THE, ON WHAT, ON THE, WHETHER THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE FREE OF MATERIAL MISSTATEMENT. UM, AND WE ARE REQUIRED TO CONSIDER INTERNAL CONTROL OVER FINANCIAL REPORTING. UM, BUT THAT IS TO INFORM OUR, UH, OUR AUDIT PROCEDURES. UM, AND WE DO NOT PROVIDE, UH, AN OPINION ON THE CITY'S INTERNAL CONTROL. SO LET'S GET INTO THE AUDIT RESULTS. SO WE DID ISSUE, UH, UNMODIFIED OPINION, UH, OPINIONS TO ALL OPINION UNITS IN THE ACT FOR, AND AS BRUCE MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPINION UNITS WITHIN THE AFER. AND FOR THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, THEY WOULD INCLUDE THE, UH, THE GOVERN, THE GOVERNMENTAL ACTIVITIES, WHICH IS THE GOVERNMENT-WIDE, UH, STATEMENTS. UM, EACH MAJOR FUND IS ITS OWN OPINION UNIT. AND THEN THERE IS, UH, AGGREGATE REMAINING, UH, FUND INFORMATION, WHICH BASICALLY IS EVERY OTHER FUND THAT'S NOT, UH, THAT'S NOT A MAJOR FUND. UM, SO ISSUING AN UNMODIFIED OPINION, YOU WOULD CALL THAT A, UH, CLEAN OPINION, RIGHT? AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE FAIRLY PRESENTED IN ALL MATERIAL RESPECTS. THE ACCOUNTING POLICIES HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY APPLIED, UH, ESTIMATES USED ARE REASONABLE, UH, AND CONSISTENT WITH, UH, WITH PRIOR YEARS. AND THEN, AND THE DISCLOSURES ARE PROPERLY REFLECTED IN THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ONTO, UH, OUR OTHER RE THE OTHER REPORTS THAT WE ISSUED, UM, SORRY, WITH THE SINGLE AUDIT. SO WE DID HAVE, UH, NO FINDING, NO COMPLIANCE FINDINGS ON INTERNAL CONTROL OVER COMPLIANCE OR ON COMPLIANCE. UH, THE 2025 GAN APPROPRIATIONS LIMIT WAS, WAS [05:10:01] CALCULATED CORRECTLY, AND WE ALSO HAD NO FINDINGS ON THE, UH, HUD FINANCIAL DATA SCHEDULES OR THE HUD REACT SUBMISSION BY THE, BY THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT. UM, JUST TO MENTION, FOR THE, FOR THE SINGLE AUDIT, UH, IN 2024, THE CITY SPENT $24.6 MILLION IN FEDERAL FUNDS. IN, IN TOTAL, UH, WE HAD TWO, UH, TWO MAJOR PROGRAMS. SO OUT OF THE CITY'S WHOLE LIST OF FEDERAL GRANTS, THERE'S A SORT OF A MATRIX OF CALCULATION IN HOW WE DETERMINE, UM, WHICH, WHICH GRANTS GET TESTED AS MAJOR PROGRAMS IN ANY SPECIFIC YEAR. UH, AND THERE WERE, THERE WERE TWO MAJOR PROGRAMS THIS YEAR AND ONE OF, ONE OF WHICH IS THE, UH, UM, HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS CLUSTER, WHICH INCLUDES THE SECTION EIGHT HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS PROGRAM, UH, WHICH GETS TESTED AS A MAJOR PROGRAM FOR THE CITY BASICALLY EVERY YEAR DUE TO ITS RELATIVE SIZE TO THE CITY'S OVERALL, UH, FEDERAL EXPENDITURES. UH, AND THIS YEAR WE ALSO, UH, WE ALSO TESTED THE, UM, CORONAVIRUS STATE AND LOCAL FISCAL RECOVERY ACT, UH, FISCAL RECOVERY FUND EXPENDITURES OR, UH, OR ARPA. AND WE DID NOT HAVE, UM, SO TOTAL, UH, 89% OF THE PROGRAMS OF THE DOLLARS ESSENTIALLY ON THE, UH, ON THE CITY'S SCHEDULE OF EXPENDITURES OF FEDERAL AWARDS WERE TESTED AS, AS MAJOR PROGRAMS, UH, WITH, WITH NO FINDINGS, UM, ON COMPLIANCE FOR, UH, FOR, FOR FISCAL YEAR 2024. HOWEVER, UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, WE DID ISSUE, UH, TWO, TWO FINDINGS, UH, THIS YEAR. UM, THE FIRST ONE IS KIND OF A, UH, SORT OF A, A CATCHALL. IT'S, AND I'LL, I'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE DID ADJUST, BUT WE CALL IT, UH, ACCOUNTING CLOSE AND ACCURACY IN FINANCIAL REPORTING. UH, AND WE DID CONSIDER THAT, UH, A MATERIAL WEAKNESS THIS YEAR. UM, ESSENTIALLY THERE WERE A, A WHOLE LOT OF, UM, OF JOURNAL ENTRIES, AUDIT, AUDIT JOURNAL ENTRIES, UH, AND, AND, AND CLIENT JOURNAL ENTRIES, UM, THAT WERE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO MAKE THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, UM, MATERIALLY, MATERIALLY, FAIRLY STATED. AND SO WE CAN SEE HERE THAT THE, THE CONDITION, BASICALLY THE CITY DID NOT COMPLETE THE YEAR END, YOU KNOW, CLOSING PROCEDURES. WE DO WANT THEM TO, TO, UH, TO BEEF THAT UP. I WILL MENTION THAT THE CITY DID, UH, DURING THE 2024 AUDIT, THE CITY DID CHANGE ENTERPRISE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT, UH, SYSTEMS, ESSENTIALLY THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM, UH, WHICH, WHICH IS A, UH, A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO DO, ESPECIALLY IN THE, SORRY, I HAVE SOME AUTO TRANSITIONS ON THAT DIDN'T GET CLICKED OFF. UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING. UM, AND THE CITY WAS ALREADY, YOU KNOW, ALREADY, I'M, I'M SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT 2024, SO WE'RE OBVIOUSLY BEHIND, YOU KNOW, UH, BEHIND SCHEDULE A LITTLE BIT. AND, AND THAT CERTAINLY SEEMED TO, UH, EXACERBATE THE, THE ISSUE, UH, IN FOR THIS YEAR'S, UM, FOR THIS YEAR'S, UH, AUDIT. SO, JUST TO KIND OF GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT OF THE LIST, BUT WE, WE HAD TO DO, UH, ADJUSTING JOURNAL ENTRIES. THEY WERE, THEY WERE KIND OF PERVASIVE ACROSS WHAT WE FEEL, WHAT WE CALL OUR DIFFERENT AUDIT SECTIONS. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, CASH RECEIVABLES, ACCOUNTS PAYABLE, ET CETERA. EACH OF, EACH OF THOSE ESSENTIALLY LINE ITEMS ON YOUR BALANCE SHEET IS A, IS A, UH, IS A SEPARATE AUDIT SECTION, AND THEN REVENUES, EXPENDITURES. SO WE HAD ADJUST, UM, NET PENSION LIABILITY AND, AND PENSION, UH, AND RELATED PENSION DEFERRED ITEMS. UM, OP P LIABILITY AND OPEG RELATED DEFERRED ITEMS. UH, LONG-TERM DEBT AND INTEREST PAYABLE, UH, UN EARNED REVENUES IN THE AMERICAN RECOVERY, UH, IN THE, IN THE ARPA FUND, UH, MADE ADJUST CONSTRUCTION IN PROGRESS. SO CIP, UH, INTEREST RECEIVABLE, UH, IN AND INTERNAL BALANCES, LIKE DUE TO, UH, DUE TO, AND DUE FROM OTHER FUNDS AND, AND INTER FUND TRANSFERS, UH, SOME GS B 87, LEASE ACTIVITY, LOANS RECEIVABLE, ET CETERA. SO THIS WAS, WAS PRETTY, YOU KNOW, PRETTY PERVASIVE. UM, AND SO WE'RE REALLY HOPING, AND I'VE, AND I'VE TALKED WITH BRUCE AND THE TEAM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE GONNA BE SOME OF THE, THE TARGET SPOTS, UH, FOR THE 2025 AUDIT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE ALL WRAPPED UP. SO THOSE THINGS DON'T, UH, DON'T OCCUR AGAIN. UM, AND THEN THIS ONE, UH, IS A, IS A REPEAT FINDING FROM LAST YEAR. IT'S BEEN, UM, I THINK WE'VE GIVEN THIS, THIS FINDING FOR THE LAST, LAST COUPLE YEARS, BUT ESSENTIALLY DELAY IN DELAY IN FINANCIAL REPORTING. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S VERY, UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THE CITY HAS, UH, TIMELY FINANCIAL, FINANCIAL REPORTING, UM, NOT ONLY FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, INTERESTED PARTIES, UM, SIT CITIZENS, ET CETERA, BUT ALSO FOR, YOU KNOW, RE REGULATORY BODIES AND STUFF WHO ARE LOOKING FOR, UH, IN INFORMATION COMING FROM, UM, COMING FROM THE CITY. SO AGAIN, THIS, THIS ONE DELAY IN FINANCIAL REPORTING KIND OF PIGGYBACKS OFF OF THE, YOU KNOW, I THINK I HAVE IT LISTED HERE. CHANGING THE ENTERPRISE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS, UH, WAS ALSO A CON A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY WORKED, UH, WORKED FOR, FOR BOTH OF THESE. SO WE CONSIDER THIS ONE A, UH, A SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCY. THE OTHER ONE WAS, UH, WAS A MATERIAL WEAKNESS BECAUSE OF THE, THE, UH, MATERIAL, UM, AMOUNTS OF, OF JOURNAL ENTRIES THAT, THAT WE, THAT WE HAD TO POST. UM, LET'S SEE. SO OTHER RESULTS, AGAIN, I THINK I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED [05:15:01] THIS, BUT NO, WE DID NOT HAVE DISAGREEMENTS WITH MANAGEMENT, NO CONSULTATIONS WITH OTHER ACCOUNTANTS. UM, AND I THINK LASTLY AND PROBABLY, UH, MOST, MAYBE MOST IMPORTANTLY, UH, WE, UM, THE AUDIT DID NOT, UH, DISCLOSE ANY, UH, INCIDENCES OF, OF FRAUD WASTE, UH, OR, OR ABUSE, UH, THAT WERE NOTED. SO, UH, WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES, UH, MY PART OF THE PRESENTATION. AND, AND WE'LL OPEN IT FOR, FOR QUESTIONS IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY. THANK YOU, MR. DELANEY, FOR BEING HERE. SO LATE, , , THIS IS MATTER. I DUNNO IF YOU ANTICIPATED THAT WE WOULD GO THIS LATE, BUT THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU. THIS IS, UM, A VERY GOOD REPORT, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU. I'M VERY HAPPY WITH THE RESULT. UM, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT MANAGEMENT'S RESPONSE TO THE AUDIT FINDINGS. MM-HMM . UH, THE REPEAT FINDING FOR DELAY IN FINANCIAL REPORTING, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCY. UM, WHAT IS BEING DONE TO RECTIFY THIS REPEAT FINDING? DO YOU EXPECT THIS TO BE FLAGGED AGAIN FOR, UH, FISCAL YEAR 25? UM, I THINK IT'S BEEN IN A HISTORY OF LATE FINDINGS, OR NOT LATE FINDING, BUT OF COMPLETING THE ACER, UM, IN MOST CITIES I'VE EVER WORKED WITH. THE AUDIT STARTS AROUND, REALLY AROUND OCTOBER WITH THE PR PRESENTATION AND COMPLETION OF THE AFER AND PRESENTING TO GFOA BY DECEMBER, AND THEN PRESENTING THE AFER TO CITY COUNCIL IN JANUARY. SO I THINK THERE'S BEEN A COMPLETE HISTORY HERE FOR, FOR SOME TIME GOING BACK LOOKING THAT WHERE THE WAS, WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AROUND FEBRUARY OR MARCH. AND SO, YES, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH 2024 WAS BECAUSE WE STARTED IMPLEMENTATION OF A NEW SOFTWARE SYSTEM IN THE LAST QUARTER OF THAT FISCAL YEAR, WHICH WAS NOT THE IDEAL SITUATION. IT WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER TO WAIT ANOTHER THREE MORE MONTHS AND START AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. BUT, SO WE WOULD'VE ALREADY COMPLETED 24. WE'VE HAD OUR CHALLENGES IN 25, BUT NOW AS WE'RE ALREADY IN THE NEW FISCAL YEAR 26, UM, TONIGHT, LATER ON TONIGHT, I'LL SHOW YOU KIND OF UNAUDITED FINANCIAL FIGURES OF THE 25. WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED PROVIDING SOME FINANCIAL INFORMATION, UM, TO THE AUDITORS FOR 25 AUDIT. AND WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE A, A GOOD TRIAL BALANCE THAT WE CAN SUBMIT TO THE AUDITOR BY THE 1ST OF JANUARY. AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET CAUGHT UP AND REALLY EASY TO FALL BACK BEHIND THE SCHEDULE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S DELAYS. OR LIKE RIGHT NOW MY STAFF IS STILL TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THE LAST FINAL PHASES OF MUNI. AND SO, UM, ALL OF OUR, OUR PRIMARY PHASE, OUR PHASE ONE IS FULLY IMPLEMENTED, WHICH IS OUR GENERAL LEDGER AP AND ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE AND BUDGET. SO THOSE ARE UP AND RUNNING. IT'S OUR LAST FINAL PHASE IS REALLY PAYROLL AND HR MODULE COMBINED. AND SO THAT IS TAKING UP TIME. SO THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS IS A FULL-TIME JOB. THE CITY DECIDED NOT TO HIRE A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT TO HELP IMPLEMENT THE MUNI SOFTWARE, WHICH COULD HAVE ACTUALLY HELPED THE CITY QUITE A BIT, BUT WE HAD STAFF WHO IS IMPLEMENTING IT. AND DURING THE IMPLEMENTATION THAT STAFF LEFT, WHICH DIDN'T GIVE A LOT OF INFORMATION TO OTHER STAFF ON BOARD. SO KUDOS TO THE STAFF THAT IS STILL HERE WHO JUMPED IN AND REALLY PICKED UP WHETHER THEY LEFT OFF WITHOUT REALLY HAVING, BEING INVOLVED IN INITIAL PHASES OF IT. SO THEY WERE LIKE REALLY THROWN INTO THE WHOLE PROCESS WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT WAS THE GAME PLAN AND HOW THINGS WERE GONNA BE STRUCTURED, OR WHAT THE CITY'S PLANS WERE TO, TO DO THIS FULL IMPLEMENTATION. AGAIN, IMPLEMENTING IT IN, IN THE LAST QUARTER OF 2024 FISCAL YEAR WAS NOT REALLY THE BEST DECISION. IT WOULD BEEN BETTER TO REALLY WAIT ANOTHER THREE MORE MONTHS AT THE BEGINNING OF A NEW FISCAL YEAR. 'CAUSE ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, UM, I BELIEVE WE'VE HAD WAS THE ACCOUNTING STRUCTURE WITHIN ANY EDEN IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE ACCOUNTANT STRUCTURE IN MUNI. AND SO I WAS PREPARING TO GIVE YOU A, A KIND OF A DIAGRAM, BUT I RAN, REALLY RAN OUT OF TIME. BUT THE ACCOUNT STRUCTURE STRING IS, IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. AND SO THERE'S SOME CONFUSION OF HOW THINGS WERE SET UP. AND EVEN THE WAY THEY'RE SET UP NOW IN MUNIS, I WOULD SAY THEY'RE NOT THE MOST OPTIMAL. THEY'RE MUCH, I THINK, BETTER THAN WAS IN EDEN, BUT IT'S STILL NOT THE MOST OPTIMAL. SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS TO REALLY FINALIZE THE 25 AND HAND OVER THE FINANCIAL DATA TO THE AUDITORS FOR SO THEY CAN START THE AUDIT PROCESS. AND OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT NO LATER THAN JUNE. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO YOU SAID IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO CATCH UP, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE CATCHING [05:20:01] UP. WE'RE WORKING AS HARD AS WE CAN. YES. MM-HMM . YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BRUCE. UM, I, I TOTALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE SINCE YOU'VE COME TO, UM, TO US HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. AND I DO SEE MR. VALEZ HIDING BACK THERE. I BET HE IS PART OF THAT GROUP THAT YOU'RE, YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT, THAT HAD TO PICK UP AND, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST GET THIS TRAIN DERAILED, TRAIN BACK ON TRACK. SO I DO APPRECIATE ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND EVERYBODY ON YOUR STAFF HAS DONE. UM, I DO APPRECIATE THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, RATHER GOOD AUDIT REPORT FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE HAD BEEN ANTICIPATING FOR SO LONG. UM, AND I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT, THE NEXT, UH, ITEMS THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE AUDIT FOR 25. I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, DELANEY'S GONNA DO IT. ARE YOU ON, ON BOARD TO DO IT? THAT'S, THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S THE PLAN. ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MM-HMM. APPRECIATE YOU. WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC SPEAKER ON THIS. LET ME GUESS WHO, MR. NETTO. IT'S GONNA COMPLIMENT US ON THAT SURPLUS . NO, UM, YEAH, YOU SHOULD MAKE COMMENTS. I, I HAVE TO. IT'S AN UNQUALIFIED OPINION AND A LOT OF WORK. UH, IT'S A TOUGH, IT WAS A TOUGH JOB, BRUCE AND THE COUNTY STAFF. THEY WERE IN A TOUGH POSITION. IT WAS A REALLY, I'VE SEEN THOSE SCENARIOS BEFORE. UM, BUT I'M GONNA LIMIT THE SCOPE OF WHAT I WANNA SAY BECAUSE OF THE AUDIENCE AND THE AUDITORS. UH, SO I'M GONNA GET STRAIGHT TO IT ON PAGE 24. I JUST WANT YOU TO SPEAK, UM, FIRST OF ALL, THERE WAS A $13 MILLION SWING, A $13 MILLION SWING IN WHAT WE HAD PROJECTED AS A BUDGETED. AND WHAT ACTUALLY CAME OUT IN TERMS OF, AND THAT WAS A GOOD THING. OKAY? SO I WANNA GIVE, AND BUT IT, REMEMBER IT'S THE END OF 2024. ON PAGE 24, THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE, AS BRUCE HAD SAID, IS $26 MILLION. OKAY. PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE THE NEXT PRESENTATION, I BELIEVE WHEN WE DO THESE PROJECTIONS. I HOPE, UH, BRUCE USES THE SAME FORMAT HE DID AT THE END OF JUNE OF, UH, 2025 FOR PROJECTING 2026. AND THE REASON WHY I SAY IT IS 'CAUSE WE'RE STILL IN TROUBLE. WE DON'T HAVE HEALTHY FUND BALANCES. THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT IS OUR, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING, THAT IS OUR MOVE TO ACCEPT. YEAH, THIS IS JUST TO ACCEPT AND FILE. SECOND. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. WE NEED A MOTION, HUH? DO YOU NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPT? JUST A MOTION EXCEPT IN FILE? WE CAN, OH, WE DON'T NEED A MOTION. JUST MAKE IT QUICK. BUT YOU HAVE ONE, SO IT'S OKAY. , WE GET, UH, ADIDAS, CAN YOU HIT IT IN? THERE YOU GO. YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. WE GO [12.4 Fiscal Year 2025 Budget Review] FROM EXCITING TO EVEN MORE EXCITING. AND THAT IS 12.4. THIS IS OUR FISCAL YEAR, UH, 25 BUDGET REVIEW. THANK YOU, MR. DELANEY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? THERE YOU GO. OKAY. SO THIS IS, UM, A PRELIMINARY REVIEW OF THE 2025 YEAR END FINANCIAL RESULTS FOR THE GENERAL FUND. SO THE FIGURES I'M GONNA, OR THE NUMBERS I'M GONNA SHOW YOU TONIGHT ARE, ARE UNAUDITED, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'RE GETTING REALLY CLOSE TO FINALIZING AND CLOSE. WELL, WHAT WE WOULD SAY IS CLOSE THE BOOKS AND HAND OVER A TRIAL BALANCE TO THE AUDITORS, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY GO THROUGH AND AUDIT AND PREPARE THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. SO THIS PRESENTATION TONIGHT IS REALLY TWOFOLD. I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT TOOK PLACE DURING 2025, AS WELL AS TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO INCREASE OUR APPROPRIATIONS WITHIN OUR GENERAL FUND. AND IT'S KIND OF A YEAR END CLEANUP APPROPRIATION. AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING, WE HAVE A LOT OF FUNDS, AND I HAVE A SLIDE AT THE VERY END, I'LL SHOW YOU. WE HAVE A LOT OF FUNDS THAT THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORTS. FOR EXAMPLE, THE NUTRITION CENTER'S NOT FULLY SUPPORTED BY ITSELF. THE LIBRARY FUND, THE, UM, PARK AND MAINTENANCE FUNDS. AND SO AS WE HAD BUDGETED TO TRANSFER MONIES TO THOSE FUNDS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO SUPPORT THOSE FUNDS, UM, THEY HAD OVER [05:25:01] EXPENDITURES. SO THE NUTRITION FUND, NUTRITION CENTER WENT BEYOND THEIR BUDGET. SO THERE'S, THERE NEEDS TO BE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FROM THE GENERAL FUND TRANSFERRED INTO THOSE FUNDS IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM WHOLE. EACH ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL FUNDS HAS ITS OWN FUND BALANCE, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S VERY SMALL. SO THEY CANNOT ABSORB THE, THE DEFICIT SPENDING LIKE WE DO SOMETIMES IN THE GENERAL FUND. SO AT THIS POINT, THIS RESOLUTION IS TO INCREASE THE APPROPRIATIONS WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND IN ORDER TO MAKE THOSE TRANSFERS OUT TO THE OTHER FUNDS. AND I'LL GO INTO THE MORE DETAIL WHEN I GET TO THAT SCREEN. SO, SOME HIGHLIGHTS FOR THE GENERAL, UM, GENERAL FUND FOR THE, THE 2025 REVENUES EXCEEDED BUDGET PROJECTION BY 7.4 MILLION AND ROUGHLY 10% HIGHER THAN EXPECTED SALES TAX, UM, COLLECTED WAS 2 MILLION HIGHER THAN UM, 2024 FIRE OVERTIME REIMBURSEMENT, WE RECEIVED 1.4 MILLION. AND THAT'S LOCATED IN A, IN A CATEGORY CALLED OTHER REVENUES. AND THEN INTEREST INCOME AND THE UNREALIZED GAINS ON INVESTMENTS FOR 2025 WAS 2.6 MILLION. THAT'S ALSO LOCATED IN OTHER REVENUE. UM, WITHIN THE FINANCIAL FIGURES, I I'M GONNA SHOW YOU, THERE'S A, SHOWS A TRANSFER OF 5.3 MILLION FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO OUR NEW CIP FUND THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. AND SO, UM, THAT WILL START OUT BRAND NEW YEAR IN 2026 WITH THOSE FUNDS, WITH THE MONIES IN THAT FUND FOR CIP PROJECTS. AND SO GOING FORWARD, BEYOND 25, THE GENERAL FUND WILL NOT HAVE CIP PROJECTS THAT WILL BE SUPPORTED BY THE OTHER FUND. NOW THE OTHER FUND WILL NEED A REVENUE SOURCE, WHICH WILL BE A TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND. BUT IN ORDER TO GET THIS STARTED, THE ENDING BALANCE OF ALL OF OUR CIPS THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED FOR AND HAD EARMARKED MONEY FOR WAS 5.3. SO THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS I'M SHOWING YOU WILL SHOW THAT TRANSFER HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE. AND THEN OUR, UM, UAL FOR 2025 HAD INCREASED FROM THE PRIOR YEAR, ROUGHLY 1.3 MILLION. UM, HERE'S OUR GENERAL FUND REVENUES. AS YOU CAN SEE, SALES TAX AND PROPERTY TAXES ARE OUR LARGEST SOURCES AND MIX UP ABOUT 74% OF OUR TOTAL GENERAL FUND REVENUES. OUR GENERAL FUND REVENUES HERE ARE BROKEN OUT BY MAJOR CATEGORIES. THE BLUE COLUMN IN THE MIDDLE REPRESENTS 2025. UH, AND THAT'S FOR THE FULL YEAR IN COMPARISON TO THE AUDITED NUMBERS IN 2024 TO 2023. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY BOTTOM, YOU CAN SEE REVENUES HAVE INCREASED FROM 2024 TO 25 BY LOWER 3 MILLION. AND AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FAR, EXCUSE ME, AT KIND OF THE PEACH COLLAR COLUMN THAT COMPARES OUR ACTUAL EXPENDITURE, EXCUSE ME, IN THIS CASE, OUR ACTUAL REVENUES AGAINST OUR BUDGET. AND SO WE HAD ACTUALLY RECEIVED, UM, ROUGHLY $7.8 MILLION MORE IN REVENUE THAN WE HAD ORIGINALLY PROJECTED FOR THE YEAR. OUR GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES, THE PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, REPRESENTS ABOUT 53% OF OUR TOTAL GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES, FOLLOWED BY ADMINISTRATION, UM, OF ROUGHLY 30%. HERE'S OUR GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES, AND THIS IS BROKEN DOWN BY, UM, DEPARTMENT. THE BLUE COLUMN REPRESENTS THE CURRENT YEAR, FOLLOWED BY TO THE LEFT, THE, IN COMPARISON TO 2024 AND THEN 2023. UM, AT THIS POINT, IT'S REALLY WE OF THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT TO INCREASE APPROPRIATIONS. WE'RE ACTUALLY REFLECTING THOSE, UM, APPROPRIATIONS IN OUR BUDGET. AND SO THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT IS TO ACCEPT THOSE. BUT IN ORDER TO REALLY GIVE YOU AN IDEA HOW THAT REFLECTS, THOSE ARE SHOWN IN THE BUDGET ALREADY IN A GREEN COLUMN. SO IF YOU COMPARE THE ACTUAL TO OUR BUDGET, UM, THE VARIANCE THERE FOR THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES IS VERY LITTLE BECAUSE WE'RE INCREASING THE, THE APPROPRIATIONS AVAILABLE BECAUSE IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAD OVERSPENT WITHIN OUR GENERAL FUND. AND SO THIS WILL GET US WITHIN LINE. AND ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THIS AS FAR AS ADOPTING IT, HAVING COME THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE BODY TO AGREE TO THAT ADJUSTMENT TO INCREASE OUR BUDGET. IF WE DON'T, UM, IT WOULD BE, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE AN, UM, AN AUDIT FINDING BECAUSE WE SPENT MORE THAN WHAT WE ACTUALLY WERE AUTHORIZED TO SPEND. UM, WHEN WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, WE JUST CAN'T STOP, UH, ESPECIALLY [05:30:01] THAT YEAR IN BECAUSE WE'RE STILL PAYING INVOICES ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH MAYBE OCTOBER. AND SO WE, AT, AT JUNE 30TH, WE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW HOW MANY INVOICES ARE STILL OUTSTANDING. AND SO IT, IT CAN FLUCTUATE. SO AT, AT, AT JUNE 30TH, WE DID NOT KNOW EXACTLY, UM, WHERE WE STOOD WITH THE EXPENDITURES. AND SO THE INVOICES CONTINUED TO TRICKLE IN THROUGHOUT, UM, THE SUMMER AS WE WOULD CLOSE THE BOOKS. AND THEN, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO, TO SHOW YOU HERE ON THIS SLIDE, THE ADMINISTRATION, IF YOU COMPARE 2024 TO 2025, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE WENT FROM LOWER 16 MILLION IN 2024 UP TO, UM, 25 MILLION IN 2025. I WANTED TO DRILL DOWN ON THIS A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS REPRESENTS, UM, ALL THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS THAT MAKE UP ADMINISTRATION. SO THAT'S CITY COUNCIL, THE FORMER TREASURER AND DEPARTMENT, UM, CITY CLERK, CITY MANAGER, FINANCE ATTORNEY, UM, HUMAN RESOURCES AS WELL AS NON-DEPARTMENTAL. AND AS YOU CAN TELL, THE BIGGEST VARIANCE THERE BETWEEN 2024 AND 2025 IS REALLY A $7 MILLION VARIANCE THERE IN NON-DEPARTMENTAL. AND SO ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S REALLY DRIVING THAT UP, UM, IN COMPARISON OF THE TWO YEARS, LEMME SEE MY, FIND MY NOTES. IT'S GETTING LATE AND I CAN'T REMEMBER BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE DIFFERENT YEARS AT ONE TIME. THAT IS REPRESENTS THE INCREASE IS 5.3 MILLION OF THE TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE NEW CIP UM, FUND, AS WELL AS THAT INCREASE OF 1.3 MILLION FOR THE UAL. SO THOSE ARE BOTH PAID FOR, UM, OUT OF OUT THE NON-DEPARTMENTAL CATEGORY. THE, SO WHAT WHAT HAPPENS IS THE UAL IS WITHIN THE NON DEPART IS CLASSIFIED AS REALLY, UM, A LABOR COST. BUT THEN THE TRANSFER OUT IS STRICTLY A, A TRUE TRANSFER NUMBER. AND I CAN SHOW YOU THAT IN ANOTHER SLIDE. SO HERE'S THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES, AND THIS IS BY CATEGORY. THIS IS REALLY HOW WE SPEND OUR FUNDS. SO IN, UM, THE TRANSFER CATEGORY THERE, YOU CAN COMPARE 2024 TO 2025. THAT VARIANCE RIGHT THERE REPRESENTS THE THREE, ROUGHLY $5.3 MILLION TRANSFER TO THE NEW CIP PROJECT. UM, AND SO THAT ENDS UP FOR THE PHYSICAL YEAR, OUR REVENUES AGAINST OUR EXPENDITURES FOR 2025. AS WE SEE AS WE PROJECT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY A $5.1 MILLION DEFICIT FOR THE 2025 YEAR. UM, I WANTED TO BACK UP ON THIS SLIDE. THE, THE LARGE SINGLE LARGEST ITEM THERE IS OUR LABOR COST, WHICH FOR BUDGET PURPOSES, OUR, OUR BUDGET FOR LABOR IS ROUGHLY ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF OUR TOTAL GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES. SO I WANTED TO DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON, UM, OUR LABOR COSTS. SO THIS IS A BREAKOUT OF WHAT'S MAKES UP THAT LINE ITEM ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE AS FAR AS LABOR COSTS. SO WE SEE FULL-TIME WAGES, PART-TIME WAGES, OVERTIME. UM, WE HAVE THE OVERTIME REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS BENEFITS. SO PART OF THE INCREASE THERE, IF YOU COMPARE 2024 TO 2025, THAT BENEFIT LINE ITEM, THAT IS WHERE THE, UM, UAL 1.3 MILLION IS REFLECTED. AS WELL AS, UM, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE HERE? OH, UM, OVERTIME, AS YOU CAN SEE, OVERTIME HAS IN THE, IN THE VARIANCE COLUMN ON THE PEACH IS SHOWING A DEFICIT. SO THAT'S REALLY REFLECTED IN, UM, OVERTIME IN BOTH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND WITH PART OF THAT BEING REIMBURSABLE, OH, LEMME GO BACK OF THAT REIMBURSE, EXCUSE ME. THE OVERTIME REIMBURSABLE OF A 1.1 MILLION IN 2025. DURING THAT FISCAL YEAR, WE DO, UM, SUBMIT FOR REIMBURSEMENT FOR THOSE OVERTIME. WE ACTUALLY COLLECTED 1.4 MILLION IN OVERTIME REIMBURSEMENT. SO WE COLLECT MORE THAN WHAT WE ACTUALLY INCURRED. 'CAUSE WE'RE ENTITLED TO ADD AN OVERHEAD CHARGE TO THAT. UM, SO I DRILLED DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE AND REALLY COMPARING 2024 TO 2025 AND LABOR COST. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PEACH COLUMN, THE VARIANCE THERE FOR FULL-TIME [05:35:01] WAGES, WHAT'S REALLY DRIVING THAT UP IS THE, UM, THE COLA THAT WAS OFFERED TO POA IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024. AND THEN THAT WAS IN THE FALL OF LAST PHYSICAL YEAR. AND THEN IN JANUARY THERE WAS THE 6% COLA THAT WAS OFFERED TO, UM, BASICALLY THERE'S TWO BARGAINING GROUPS AS WELL AS CONFIDENTIAL. AND THAT'S HELPED DRIVE THAT, UM, VARIANCE UP. AND THEN, UM, AGAIN, THE DIFFERENCE THERE IN, IN THE BENEFITS REPRESENTS THE, THE UAL PAYMENT THAT WE, THAT INCREASE FROM PRIOR YEAR. AND THEN, UM, THE OVERTIME, I HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE DRILLS DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE OVERTIME. SO OVERTIME FOR POLICE AND FIRE, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE, UM, NEGATIVE VARIANCE 'CAUSE WE OVERSPENT MORE THAN WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED. AND AGAIN, THAT RE THAT FIRE OVERTIME IS REIMBURSABLE. AND WE DID COLLECT 1.4 MILLION FOR THE YEAR. SO THIS IS WHERE WE ANTICIPATE ENDING THE YEAR WITH OUR UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE. AS YOU CAN SEE, IN 2023, WE HAD AN UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE OF 23 MILLION AND THEN INCREASED UP TO 26.6 MILLION BASED ON THAT DEFICIT IN FOR 2025. WE ARE ANTICIPATED THAT OUR UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE WILL, WILL BE ROUGHLY AROUND 23 MILLION FOR THE YEAR. I, I'M SORRY, BRUCE. SO THIS IS FOR END ENDING, UM, JUNE, UM, 2025. RIGHT. SO WE'RE LOOKING THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT. WE'RE LOOKING BACK, YES. OKAY. LOOKING BACK. GOT IT. AND SO THIS IS THE, ON THE SLIDE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS IS, UM, WE'RE REQUESTING INCREASE APPROPRIATIONS WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND 2.2 MILLION, OR ACTUALLY 2.1 THERE ROUGHLY, UM, WHICH WERE ALREADY REFLECTED IN THE NUMBERS I'VE SHOWN YOU PREVIOUSLY. SO THIS IS BASICALLY TRANSFERS TO OTHER FUNDS, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, TRANSFER TO THE NUTRITION FUND, TRANSFERRED TO THE CIP FUND AND TRANSFERRED TO THE OPEP TO COVER THOSE BALANCE NEGATIVE BALANCES. WE ALSO INCREASED OVERTIME BUDGET WITHIN FIRE AND POLICE TO COVER THE DEFICIT SPENDING THAT WE HAD THERE AS WELL. SO, UM, WITH THIS, UM, WE ASKED TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION, WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO INCREASE OUR APPROPRIATIONS WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND, AND THAT WILL PREVENT US FROM HAVING, UM, ACTUAL EXPENDITURES GREATER THAN WHAT WAS BUDGETED, WHAT WAS AUTHORIZED BY CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU BRUCE. UH, QUESTION ON THAT. SLIDE 13, THIS APPROPRIATION 2.154 INTO THE GENERAL FUND IS COMING FROM THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE. UM, WELL WE HAVE THE BUDGET COLUMN, WHICH ACTUALLY ALLOWS US, SO LEMME GO BACK, UH, LET'S GO BACK. SO THE GREEN COLUMN, 8.4 MILLION, 84 MILLION, EXCUSE ME, 84 MILLION. THE INCREASE IN APPROPRIATIONS ARE NOW REFLECTED IN THAT. HAVE WE NOT SHOWN THAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE 2000002.1 MILLION LESS? YES. AND SO WE STILL HAVE THE ACTUAL EXPENDITURES OF 84 MILLION IN THE BLUE COLUMN. THEY'RE NOT GONNA REALLY CHANGE UNLESS THEY'RE SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS BY THE AUDITOR. BUT THOSE ARE ACTUAL TRUE EXPENSES. THE GREEN COLUMN REPRESENTS WHAT WE WOULD BUDGET. AND SO IN THIS CASE WE THAT OUR RESOLUTION IS TO BRING UP OUR BUDGET TO EQUAL OUR EXPENDITURES. NORMALLY IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND WHERE WE ADOPT A BUDGET AND WE HOPE THAT WE DON'T SPEND AS MUCH AS OUR BUDGET, BUT WE HAVE THAT LIMIT TO SPEND UP TO THAT LIMIT. WE ACTUALLY WENT BEYOND OUR LIMIT BY 2 MILLION BECAUSE WE NEED TO TRANSFER MONEY TO THE OTHER FUNDS, PARK FUNDS AND SO FORTH TO HELP MAKE THEM WHOLE AND WELL. AND THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE TRANSFER, WHICH WE WERE NOT ANTICIPATING THE TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND OF THE CIP FUNDS OVER TO THE NEW CIP FUND. SO WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT REALLY A, LOOKS LIKE A $5 MILLION DEFICIT MATHEMATICALLY IT IS, IS ACTUALLY MOVING MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND OVER TO THE CIP FUND THAT WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO USE AND AVAILABLE. SO THAT MONEY, IT WASN'T LIKE IT WENT OUT AND, AND LIKE WE BOUGHT SOMETHING MM-HMM . AND SO WE'LL NEVER GET THAT MONEY BACK. WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST DOING A TRANSFER TO ANOTHER FUND. BUT IN THAT PROCESS IT, IT MATHEMATICALLY CREATES [05:40:01] A DEFICIT. SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY, UM, MOVING MONEY OUT OF UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE. WE ARE ADJUSTING THE BUDGET FOR WHAT WE PLANNED TO SPEND. YES, YES. TO MATCH WHAT WE ACTUALLY SPEND. YES, EXACTLY. AND THAT'S OKAY TO DO. PARDON ME? THAT'S OKAY TO DO. YES. IDEALLY YOU WANNA DO IT EARLIER THAN, THAN WHAT RIGHT NOW. UM, IF WE COULD HAVE LIKE FORESEEN THAT WE WERE THAT CLOSE, WE WOULD'VE MADE AN ADJUSTMENT EARLIER, LIKE IN JUNE. BUT SO MANY ACTIVITIES WERE GOING ON THAT WE, WE REALLY WEREN'T ANTICIPATING THAT THAT TYPE OF, WE, IF YOU RECALL, DURING MIDYEAR, WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS MM-HMM . AND WE REALLY TRIED TO FINE TUNE WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA BE, BUT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE LIKE THE NUTRITION CENTER, THE COST OF FOOD AND MEALS WAS GOING TO GO UP. AND SO THAT HELPED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. YEAH. OKAY. I GET IT. THANK YOU BRUCE. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU MS. MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THE THOROUGH PRESENTATION, BRUCE. AND I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH. UM, THANK YOU. I I DO HAVE A, A QUICK QUESTION BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN DISCUSSING CREATING A CIP FUND SPECIFICALLY, UM, BECAUSE SOMETIMES PROJECTS TAKE MORE THAN A YEAR AND IT CARRIES OVER AND IT REALLY MESSES WITH THE UNASSIGNED GENERAL FUND BALANCE, UM, UH, YEAR TO YEAR. UH, DID WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION TO CREATE THAT FUND? DID WE ACTUALLY DISCUSS IT AS A AND VOTE ON IT OR IT, OR THAT'S JUST THE DIRECTION THAT THE MAJORITY OF US JUST KIND OF GAVE AND WE DECIDED TO GO DOWN THIS PATH. I DON'T RECALL THE INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATION ON THE DS. WE, WE DISCUSSED IT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS OF LAST YEAR. AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ACTUALLY STARTING THE BEGINNING BALANCE FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR BY TRANSFERRING IT AT THE END OF JUNE OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO TO ACTUALLY CREATE A NEW FUND, IT REALLY DOESN'T REQUIRE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. IT'S MORE OF A MECHANICAL PROCESS. UM, PUTTING MONEY IN THERE WOULD REALLY REQUIRE ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY. AND SO WITH THIS RESOLUTION, WE'LL AUTHORIZE THAT TRANSFER TO START THAT BEGINNING BALANCE. FANTASTIC. I I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I, I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THE, UH, PERCENTAGE OF THE, UM, FUND BALANCES MM-HMM . IN THE PAST AND MAYBE MODIFYING SOME OF THOSE FIGURES. I KNOW THE NUMBERS ARE UP THERE, BUT IT DOESN'T STATE THE PERCENTAGE ON THIS SLIDE, BUT WE'VE HAD PERCENTAGES BEFORE. SO THE ECONOMIC CONTINGENCIES, 20% FACILITY MAINTENANCE, I HAVE NO IDEA. FOUR, 5%, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW. BUT IT HAD, THERE WAS OTHER SLIDES THAT HAD SPECIFIC PERCENTAGES AND THEN ADDED UP WOULD BE THE FINAL PERCENTAGE AMOUNT IN TOTAL RESERVES AND FUND BALANCE. SO I THINK HAVING THAT INFORMATION IS HELPFUL, BUT, UM, UH, THE REASON I THINK, UH, I WOULD BE MOST INTERESTED IN MODIFYING SOME OF THOSE IS TO CREATE AN ADDITIONAL FUND IN ORDER FOR US TO INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT AT LENGTH AS WELL. I THINK DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS WE WERE ABLE TO PUT ASIDE A MILLION DOLLARS, ALTHOUGH IT DIDN'T REALLY GO INTO A SPECIFIC ACCOUNT. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING ON 24TH STREET IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF US, UM, UH, AS A MUNICIPALITY TAKING, UM, OUR DEVELOPMENT INTO OUR OWN HANDS BECAUSE A PRIVATE MARKET SOMETIMES DOES NOT LOOK AT NATIONAL CITY AS, AS EXCEEDINGLY LUCRATIVE. AND, AND WE HAVE TO THEN LOOK AT WAYS TO FUND AND WORK WITH DEVELOPERS TO, TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY, ESPECIALLY IN THE CASE OF 24TH STREET, WHERE WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP MID-SIZE HOTELS THAT WOULD BRING IN REVENUES OF, YOU KNOW, UH, THREE, FOUR, $5 MILLION A YEAR. SO WE, I I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO SET MONEY ASIDE AND CREATE A FUND IN ORDER TO BE PROACTIVE IN LOOKING AT THESE DEALS THAT JUST HAPPEN TO POP UP THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND WE'RE JUST NOT PREPARED FOR. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD, UM, UH, CHALLENGE MY COLLEAGUES TO, TO, TO THINK ABOUT AND, AND TO DO IN ORDER FOR US TO BE MORE PROACTIVE WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BRING IN MORE REVENUE FOR THE CITY IN THE LONG RUN. THANK YOU. OH, AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL, BUT I, I, I WOULD LOVE SOME, SOME OF THAT CONVERSATION TO COME BACK AS WELL AS DISCUSSING THE PERCENTAGES FOR THE RESERVES. OKAY. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN PROBABLY BRING BACK, LIKE AT MIDYEAR EVALUATION. WHEN IS THAT? UM, USUALLY AROUND, AROUND FEBRUARY. IN OF FEBRUARY. OKAY. YEAH. NO, I, I, I'M OPEN TO THAT IF MY COLLEAGUES ARE AS WELL. THANK YOU MR. NETTO. COME ON, BRING YOUR ABACUS WITH US IF YOU, AND LET'S GO WITH IT. [05:45:02] UM, AUDITOR'S NOT HERE. SO I TOLD YOU I WOULD LIMIT MY SCOPE. YOU DON'T WANT TO LAY, LAY OUT YOUR DIRTY LAUNDRY IN FRONT OF THE AUDITORS, BUT YOU CAN HEAR US ON IN WHO? SORRY. SO, UM, LOOSE WAS RIGHT ON, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, I RAISED MY EYEBROW. WHEN YOU RATIFY, UH, A BUDGET AFTER THE YEAR END AND THEY RAT, WHAT BRUCE IS ASKING FOR IS TO PUT APPROPRIATIONS IN FOR THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 2025. IT'S ENDED. YOU'RE JUST RATIFYING WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. RIGHT? THIS IS NOT SOMETHING, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL ABOUT BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE YOU RATIFYING APPROPRIATIONS, NOW YOU HAVE TO RELATE TO WHY ARE YOU RATIFYING THE ENCUMBRANCES THAT RELATED TO THAT MONEY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SPENT. YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT, WELL, SHOULD WE SET UP THE FUND NOW? WELL, BRUCE IS RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IF YOU, YOU NEED THE AUTHORITY NOW YOU'RE DOING THAT. THE AUTHORITY AFTER THE YEAR HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, THE MONEY'S ALREADY SPENT AND THE REVENUE'S ALREADY. THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT MAKES THE NEWSPAPER. YOUR QUESTION ABOUT RESERVES, , GET OFF OF IT. IF YOU, IF BRUCE UPDATES HIS, HIS, WHICH HE WILL PROBABLY HIS PROJECTION FOR 2026, HE'LL UPDATE THE UN ASSIGNED, RESERVE THE PROJECTED DEFICITS WE HAD AND ACCOUNT FOR THE, UH, SALARY NEGOTIATIONS AND FUND ALL THE RESERVES THAT WE HAVE IN FUNDED. AND WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA COME DOWN TO ABOUT A $1 MILLION DEFICIT. AND TO TOP IT OFF, NO, NOT DEFICIT SURPLUS, $1 MILLION AN ASSIGNED. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THESE RESERVES IF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN YOUR SEATS BEFORE HAD NOT. THANK FOR YOUR COMMENT, PUT THIS MONEY ASIDE TO ALLOW YOU TO HAVE THE ONE, UH, ESCAPE FROM THIS HONOR. YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL WITH THOSE RESERVES. WE DON'T HAVE HEALTHY RESERVES. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION. OKAY. THIS IS ACCEPT THE FILE OF THE REPORT AND TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION. YES. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY, LET'S GET, CAN WE PUSH OUR BUTTONS IN THERE? THAT'S MEMBER MOLINA. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. THERE. THEY'RE SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE. UNANIMOUSLY. I THINK WE NEED TO EXTEND THE MEETING. IT'S PAST 12. I KNEW IF THAT 12 WASN'T TIME WASN'T GONNA WORK. DID WE SAY 12? I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. THAT'S WHAT THE MUSH. DID YOU SAY 12? OH, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT PART. WELL THEN WE'RE GONNA NEED TO GO FOR SURE. WE ALLOWED TO DO A SECOND EXTENSION AS A MATTER OF FACT, BUT I, BUT I THINK I'M WON'T LOOK AT THE RULE BOOK AT THE MOMENT. UH, LET'S GO FOR ANOTHER, LET'S GO FOR ANOTHER EXTENSION GUYS. NO LATER. NO LATER THAN ONE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND TO ONE SECOND. OKAY. BUT CAN, CAN WE TAKE A QUICK FIVE MINUTE BREAK? WE HAVEN'T TAKEN A BREAK IN THREE HOURS. I'M JUST SAYING. I JUST WANNA PUSH THROUGH. NO, NO. CAN WE FINISH YOUR FIVE MINUTE BREAK? IT BE 20 MINUTES. CAN WE FINISH THE VOTE? YEAH, LET'S FINISH THE VOTE GUYS, LET'S FINISH THE VOTE. CAN VOTE. CAN YOU PUT IN YOUR MOTION IN YOUR SECOND JOSE? CAN YOU PUT JOSE, CAN YOU PUSH THE MOTION? I DID. OH, NO, I THINK JOSE MADE THE MOTION THOUGH. YEAH, FOR, TO EXTEND THE MEETING FOR THE EXTENSION. OKAY. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. NOW THE VOTE. ARE YOU OKAY WITH YOU WANT ME CLEAR? ARE YOU OKAY WITH, CAN YOU PLEASE SURE. I'LL THE MOTION I SECOND. OKAY. WHICH IN TO ONE COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ? YES. IT'S NOT WORKING. MAKE A MOTION. OH, YOU'RE MAKING THE MOTION. I'M SORRY. WE'RE CLEARED IT. OKAY. IN THE SECOND. THANK YOU. NOW WE'D BE OPEN MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. 12.5. NO BREAK, HUH? NO BREAK. OKAY. AT 12 MINUTES AFTER WE'RE STARTING. ALRIGHT, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER WITH ALL MEMBERS PRESENT AT THE DAAS. AND WE ARE ON TO [12.5 City of National City First Quarter Fiscal Year 2025/26 Financial Review] 12.5, WHICH IS OUR FIRST QUARTER FISCAL YEAR 25 26 FINANCIAL REVIEW. OKAY, [05:50:01] SO THIS REPRESENTS THE ACTIVITY WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE FIRST, FIRST QUARTER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO IT'S THE PERIOD OF JULY, AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER. UM, THIS ITEM IS JUST A RECEIVING FILE. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE COUNSEL KIND OF AN UPDATE WHERE WE STAND SO FAR. UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU'LL SEE, IT'S, UM, NOT A TRUE REPRESENTATION OF OUR REVENUES BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF OUR MAJOR REVENUES COME IN MUCH LATER THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UM, BUT IT IS KIND OF A, A, A GAUGE, A BAROMETER OF WHERE WE STAND SO FAR WITH OUR EXPENDITURES BEING A QUARTER OF THE WAY THROUGH THE YEAR SO FAR. SO OUR PRIVATE TAX AND SALES TAX REPRESENT ABOUT 79% OF OUR TOTAL GENERAL FUND REVENUES. THAT'S BASED ON OUR BUDGET FIGURES FOR THIS CURRENT PHYSICAL YEAR. PRIVATE TAX REPRESENTING 23% SALES TAX REPRESENTING 56%. UM, OUR SALES TAX, OUR LARGEST COMPONENTS OF OUR SALES TAX IS AUTO SALES, FOLLOWED BY GENERAL CONSUMER GOODS, WAGES, AND BENEFITS FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR BASED ON OUR BUDGET IS ROUGHLY ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF OUR TOTAL GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES AND PUBLIC SAFETY MIX UP ABOUT 59% OF OUR TOTAL FUND EXPENDITURES. SO THIS IS OUR REVENUES. OUR MAJOR CATEGORIES ARE REVENUES FOR THE CURRENT PHYSICAL YEAR. THE BLUE COLUMN REPRESENTS THE CURRENT YEAR ACTIVITY COMPARED TO THE SAME PERIOD IN 2025, SAME PERIOD IN 2024. AND THE REASON I PUT THIS PRESENTATION, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO A COMPARISON WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GREEN COLUMN, WHICH IS OUR BUDGET, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT PROPERTY TAX, THE ONLY TRUE PROPERTY TAX THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED RECEIVED SO FAR IS, UM, UNSECURED PROPERTY TAX. 'CAUSE THE DUE DATE FOR UNSECURED IS AUGUST 31ST, WHERE OUR, OUR SECURED AS LONG AS, AS WELL AS OUR VLF IN LIEU OF PROPERTY TAX. UM, THAT COMES IN IN REALLY DECEMBER AND JANUARY AND THEN AGAIN IN APRIL AND MAY. AND THE REASON IT COMES IN THAT TIME PERIOD BECAUSE PROPERTY TAX ARE DUE TO THE COUNTY BY DECEMBER 10TH WITHOUT A PENALTY. AND AGAIN, THE SECOND INSTALLMENT IS DUE BY APRIL 10TH WITHOUT A PENALTY. SO WE RECEIVE OUR BIGGEST PORTION OF OUR PROPERTY TAX ABOUT 50% BY THE END OF JANUARY. AND THEN THE REMAINING, UH, ABOUT 40 THE REMAINING SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR, ABOUT 49% OF IT COMES IN IN BY THE END OF MAY WITH, UM, JULY AND AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER STILL TRICKLING IN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT 1%. AND SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO A MID-YEAR BUDGET REVIEW PRIOR TO REALLY JANUARY, BECAUSE WE REALLY NEED TO SEE KILLED THE BATTERY, BRUCE, HE FELL ASLEEP. SO IT'S HARD TO DO A MID-YEAR BUDGET REVIEW BEFORE REALLY SEEING WHAT OUR FIRST INSTALLMENT, OUR FIRST HALF A YEAR OF PROPERTY TAX. 'CAUSE IT IS SUCH A BIG, UM, NUMBER FOR US. NOW, SALES TAX COMES IN ON, ON A REGULAR BASIS, COMES IN ON A MONTHLY BASIS. HOWEVER, WE RECOGNIZE REVENUE FROM SALES TAX WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY EARNED AT THE, AT THE MERCHANT LEVEL AT THE STORE. FOR EXAMPLE, A MERCHANT COLLECTS SALES TAX IN A MONTH OF JULY. THEY REMIT THAT TO THE STATE IN AUGUST. AND THEN IN SEPTEMBER WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED THAT OUR PORTION OF THAT, WHICH IS THE 1% BRADLEY BURNS, AS WELL AS THE PROP D FUNDING FROM OUR DISTRICT SALES TAX. WE'LL RECEIVE THAT IN SEPTEMBER. SO SINCE I'M SHOWING YOU THE FIRST QUARTER, JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, THAT, UM, SALES TAX FIGURE REPRESENTS ONLY ONE PAYMENT OUT OF 12 THAT WE WILL RECEIVE. BUT IT IS IN LINE WITH PRIOR YEAR. AND SO THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, WE'VE ONLY COLLECTED 7% COMPARED TO OUR BUDGET. IT LOOKS PRETTY BAD, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT PRIOR YEAR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RIGHT IN LINE WHERE WE EXPECT TO BE. AND SO IT IS REALLY RELATIVE AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE SHOWING PRIOR YEAR COMPARISON. SO REALLY GET A KIND OF GOOD IDEA OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO OVERALL, WE'VE ONLY COLLECTED A LITTLE OVER 7% OF WHAT WE BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR. AND, AND AT THIS POINT IT'S REALLY NOT ALARMING. UM, IT'S WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT. THE ONLY ITEM THERE IS OTHER REVENUE FOR IN THE BLUE COLUMN FOR THIS YEAR IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN LAST YEAR. UM, WHAT I NOTICED IN LAST YEAR, THERE WAS A TIMING ISSUE WITH OUR, UM, RECEIPT FROM THE PORT THAT WE, WE RECOGNIZED A, A PAYMENT IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF LAST YEAR, BUT IN THIS YEAR WE DIDN'T SHOW THAT RE THAT PAYMENT UNTIL ACTUALLY OCTOBER, I BELIEVE IT CAME IN. SO IT IT'S A TIMING ISSUE. GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES. NOW EXPENDITURES, SINCE WE'RE A QUARTER [05:55:01] WAY THROUGH THE YEAR ON THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN REPRESENTS THE VARIANCE BETWEEN ACTUAL TO BUDGET. SO FUNDAMENTALLY WE WOULD LOOK AT AND SAY, OKAY, WELL WE'RE QUARTER WAY THROUGH THE YEAR, SO EXPENDITURES SHOULD NOT BE MORE THAN REALLY 25% OF OUR BUDGET. AND FOR, FOR WAGES, THAT IS, THAT DEFINITELY HOLDS TRUE FOR THE MOST PART UNLESS THERE'S SOME ANOMALY IN THAT WITH, FOR EXAMPLE, OVERTIME IS RUNNING HIGHER THAN EXPECTED. BUT IF WE LOOK AT ALL THE BUDGET, UM, ALL THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS, UM, WE'RE RIGHT WHERE WE EXPECT TO BE WITH A LITTLE BIT HIGH THERE ON ADMINISTRATION. UM, WITH THAT BEING HIGH, I WANTED TO DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON ADMINISTRATION. AGAIN, THESE ARE THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS THAT MAKE UP ADMINISTRATION AND, AND THE REASON I KIND OF COMBINE THEM TOGETHER, BECAUSE INDIVIDUALLY THE DEPARTMENT, UM, BUDGETS ARE RELATIVELY SMALL COMPARED TO POLICE AND FIRE AND SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. AND SO RIGHT NOW, AS YOU LOOK DOWN THE BLUE COLUMN, COMPARING THAT TO, UM, 2025, THE ONE ITEM THAT STICKS OUT IS NON-DEPARTMENTAL. AND THAT'S HIGHER THAN EXPECTED. AND THE REASON THAT THAT'S HIGH IS REALLY BECAUSE IT'S, IT HAS TWO ITEMS IN THERE, UM, FOR THE MOST PART. ONE IS OUR UAL PAYMENT, AND SO THAT WAS A ONE-TIME PAYMENT AND THAT IS IN JULY. SO THAT'S ONE, ONE THING WHY THAT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN OUR BUDGET SO FAR. AND THEN, UM, OUR PENSION OBLIGATION BOND, WE TRANSFER MONIES FROM OUR GENERAL FUND OVER TO OUR PENSION LIABILITY FUND, NOT LIABILITY, BUT OUR PENSION OBLIGATION BOND. AND WE DO THAT FOUR TIMES A YEAR TO SPREAD IT OUT. AND SO IT IS SHOWING A LARGE PAYMENT IN OR A LARGE TRANSFER IN JULY FOR, FOR THAT TRANSFER. BUT, UM, AT THIS POINT IS NOTHING TO BE ALARMED AS WE GO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. IT, IT WILL LINE UP MORE WITH THE BUDGET IT. UM, AND THEN IF WE LOOK OUR GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURE BY CATEGORY, OUR WAGES AND BENEFITS OPERATING AND MAINTENANCE. SO WE HAVE, UM, WITHIN THE BUDGET FOR 2026 THROUGH THE FIRST QUARTER, UM, THOSE BUDGET FIGURES ARE, ARE REFLECTING THE LABOR NEGOTIATION AGREEMENTS THAT WE, UM, RATIFIED IN SEPTEMBER FOR BOTH FFA AND MEA. SO THOSE, THE ONLY THING THAT WILL ADJUST, UM, THROUGH IN THE SECOND QUARTER OF THE YEAR WOULD BE THE, UM, BUDGET RATIFICATION FOR THE EXECUTIVES AND CONFIDENTIAL. AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH POA, WE'LL ADJUST THE BUDGET FOR POA AS WELL. SO AT THIS POINT, UM, THERE'S STILL SOME LABOR COSTS THAT ARE NOT REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET AT THIS POINT JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIMING WITHIN THE QUARTER. AND UM, AGAIN, THAT TRANSFER OUT THAT REPRESENTS THE, UM, THE PENSION OBLIGATION BOND THAT WERE WAS TRANSFERRED, UM, TO THE PENSION OBLIGATION FUND. AND WE DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT FARTHER INTO OUR OVER OR TO LABOR COSTS. WE BREAK IT DOWN INTO FULL-TIME PART-TIME OVER TIME. AND THEN THE REIMBURSABLE OVER TIME, THE, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, FULL-TIME WAGES, THE FIRST LINE THERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FAR RIGHT AT THE PERCENTAGE, WERE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN WHAT WE EXPECT TO BE. WE'D EXPECT TO BE MORE AROUND 25%, UM, JUST BECAUSE WE PAY ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND THE REA ONE OF THE REASONS THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LOW RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE OF SOME VACANCIES REALLY IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WE'RE SEEING SOME SAVINGS RIGHT NOW. AND THAT'S WHAT'S ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO THE KIND OF THE INCREASE IN OUR OVERTIME. AND, UH, AND AS, UH, THE FIRST QUARTER WE ARE, UM, ABOVE OUR BUDGET FOR REIMBURSABLE OVERTIME AT THIS POINT. UM, LOOKS LIKE WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE AN MIDYEAR ADJUSTMENT IN FEBRUARY, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL WATCH AND SEE HOW THE OVERTIME REIMBURSEMENT, UM, COST INCREASES DURING THAT TIME PERIOD. UM, THAT IS ONE LINE ITEM AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ALARMED BECAUSE IT IS REIMBURSABLE TO US AND SO WE RE RE RECOVER THAT. BUT WHEN WE ADOPTED THE BUDGET, WE DIDN'T WANT TO REALLY OVERSTATE THAT TOO MUCH. SO WE WERE VERY CONSERVATIVE AND ONLY BUDGETED HALF A MILLION DOLLARS KNOWING THAT WE COULD GO BACK AT ANY TIME AND INCREASE THAT BECAUSE IT IS REIMBURSABLE TO US. THE, UM, THE ONLY OTHER ITEM THERE IS THE REGULAR OVERTIME AND I THINK I HAVE A LITTLE, YEAH, I DRILLED DOWN A LITTLE BIT FARTHER ON THE OVERTIME. [06:00:03] SO AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW, UH, A QUARTER OF THE WAY THROUGH THE YEAR, POLICE OVERTIME IS ALREADY AT 58%. UM, WE WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE A LITTLE BIT LESS, MAYBE AROUND 20 TO 25 TO 30. UM, IT IS PRETTY HIGH. FIRE IS RIGHT AT 22%. AND THEN THE FIRE REIMBURSABLE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOVE WHAT WE BUDGETED SO OF, OF THIS RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF CONCERNED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OVERTIME FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS HIGH. HOWEVER, THERE IS SAVINGS ON REGULAR LABOR COSTS. AND WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE, EXTRAPOLATE THAT OUT, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING OVERTIME THAT IS A HIGH DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT YET WE'RE SAVING ON THE OTHER BENEFITS BY NOT HAVING AN A BODY FILLED IN THAT POSITION BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE, YOU'RE PAYING ALL THOSE WAGES ARE PERS OVERTIME, WAGES ARE NOT PERS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY PER RATE IS ROUGHLY 22% OF, OF PER ON THE DOLLAR PER WAGES. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SAVINGS BY ACTUALLY HAVING, UM, OVERTIME, EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS, YOU KNOW, HIGH AT THIS POINT, THERE IS THAT SAVINGS OF OVERALL COST OF A FULL-TIME BODY. HOWEVER, IN THE LONG RUN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE ISSUES WITH OVERTIME AS FAR AS, UM, PEOPLE GETTING BURNED OUT. AND SO AT THIS POINT, UM, BEING A QUARTER WAY THROUGH THE YEAR, COMPARE THE POLICE LINE ITEM THERE AS WELL AS FIRE REGULAR OVERTIME. IF WE LOOK AT THAT, WE'RE A QUARTER WAY THROUGH THE YEAR. IF WE EXTRAPOLATE THAT OUT FOR A FULL YEAR, THAT FAR RIGHT COLUMN REPRESENTS WHAT, WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE OUR, OUR FULL COST FOR THE YEAR. AND THAT'S BASED ON RIGHT NOW ON A QUARTER OF A YEAR, OVERTIME CAN FLUCTUATE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE YEAR. IT MAY, UM, AS WE HIRE MORE PEOPLE FILL THOSE POSITIONS, IT MAY ACTUALLY REDUCE OVER TIME. BUT BASICALLY IF WE LOOK AT THE QUARTER OF A YEAR, ASSUMING THAT WE ALREADY HAVE SPENT 49, 40 8% OF OUR BUDGET FOR POLICE OVERTIME, IF WE EXTRAPOLATE THAT OUT, WE COULD BE LOOKING AT A TOTAL FOR THE YEAR OF 2.7 MILLION. SO THAT NUMBER THAT'S IN THE YELLOW THOUGH, 1.4 MILLION, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE POTENTIAL PROJECTED AND THE ACTUAL BUDGET SO FAR AND THE GREEN. SO IT'S COMPARING THE, THE 3.2 MILLION OF TRUE BUDGET VERSUS THE POTENTIAL PROJECTION OF, UM, 4.6 MILLION. SO FOR THIS YEAR, WE MAY HAVE TO INCREASE OUR OVERTIME BUDGET BY AS MUCH OF ROUGHLY 1.5 MILLION, BUT I WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING AT THIS POINT. WE'LL WAIT TILL MID-YEAR AND SEE HOW THINGS PAN OUT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO KEEP A WATCH ON. AND SO THAT REALLY CONCLUDES, UM, MY PRESENTATION RIGHT NOW. OVERALL, WE REALLY CAN'T JUDGE WHERE WE STAND WITH REVENUES BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T COLLECTED OUR MAJOR REVENUES OVERALL LOOKING AT EXPENDITURES FOR THE MOST PART, WE ARE BELOW 25% OF WHERE WE EXPECT TO BE FOR THE YEAR. SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SAVINGS OVERTIME IS HIGH AND WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON THAT. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. HEY BRUCE, IF I MAY ADD, UH, SO IN, IN LOOKING AT, AT THE PRESENTATION EARLIER, I HAD WALTER RUN A REPORT ON A REIMBURSABLE OVERTIME TO DATE. AND THAT NUMBER AGAIN, WE, WE ARE PAID IN ARREARS ON THAT, ON THOSE AMOUNTS FROM, UH, FROM RESPONSES. SO THAT AMOUNT CURRENTLY IS AT 716,254 AND 26, I'M SORRY, 68 CENTS. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY PLUS 206, 200 $16,000 ABOVE WHAT WE HAD BUDGETED. AND YOU WEREN'T PRIVY TO THAT INFORMATION, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. BUT I HAD WALTER RUN THAT REPORT FOR US, UH, TODAY AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO COME BACK FROM THE STATE IN THE REIMBURSABLE PIECE. SO IF THAT HELPS. OBJECTION THE MAIL. ALRIGHT, UM, MR. NATO, I THINK, UH, BRUCE WAS DOING A GREAT JOB. IT DOESN'T, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO SAY IS AT THE END OF, UH, JUNE, 2025, HE GAVE A LITTLE FORMAT HERE, I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY GOOD, THE PROJECTED FUND BALANCE. HE STARTED OFF WITH THE PROJECTED, UH, UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE OF, UH, $24 MILLION BASED ON TODAY. YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY KNOW, KNOW THAT PROJECTED ON, UH, UH, PROJECTED ON A SUN FUND BALANCE WAS, UH, [06:05:01] A LITTLE HIGHER, BUT WE ALSO KNEW THAT, OH NO, I'M SORRY, YEAH, A LITTLE HIGHER. BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S PROJECTED, UM, DEFICIT IS 25 AND 26 IS A LITTLE HIGHER ALSO, OR JUST A LITTLE BIT HIGHER TOO. SO THE RESULT IS THAT WE STILL HAVE ABOUT 20 $12 MILLION OF UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE AND WE HAVE WHAT, FOUR TO SIX MIL, FOUR TO $5 MILLION IN, UM, AND, UM, THE, UM, LABOR NEGOTIATIONS AND, UH, THE UNFUNDED RESERVES, WE REALLY ONLY HAVE LIKE ABOUT $1 MILLION IN AN UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE. IF I EXTRAPOLATE WHAT YOU SAID CORRECTLY, I WISH YOU WOULD ACTUALLY COME UP WITH A BETTER EXTRAPOLATION BASED ON THE SAME FORMAT YOU GAVE BEFORE. THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE, HE DID A GREAT JOB HERE, BUT THE FORMAT HE USED HERE WAS A LOT CLEARER IN, IN, IN GUIDELINES GIVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE NUMBERS CAN CHANGE BASED ON MID-YEAR APPROPRIATIONS, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY USEFUL TO YOU GUYS. UH, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY. AND AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE HEALTHY RESERVES AT ALL. OKAY? OKAY FOLKS, THIS IS FOR AN ACCEPTING FILE. MOTION TO ACCEPT MR. CHAIR. OKAY, SECOND, YOU ACCEPT FILE. SEE NO DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT WE GO TO 12.6. [12.6 Appointments of City Councilmembers to Regional Boards and Committees for Outside Agencies] THIS IS A APPOINTMENT OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEES FOR OUTSIDE AGENCIES. UH, THE ONLY ONES THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS YEAR IS, UM, SANDAG, UH, LEAGUE OF CITIES, UM, PORT OF SAN DIEGO, UH, PUBLIC ART, THE, UH, COMMUNITY POWER, UM, COUNTY AIR POLLUTION MOBILITY WORKING GROUP, AND THE SHORELINE PRESERVATION WORKING GROUP, UH, IS MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE JUST ROLLED OVER THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE EXISTING IN THOSE POSITIONS AND CONTINUUM 'EM FOR THOSE SAME POSITIONS FOR THIS YEAR. IT'S ALL MOVED. OKAY, PUSH YOUR BUTTONS IN THERE. WE GET 'EM GOING. DID YOU PUSH IT? OH, IS IT NOT WORKING? OKAY, LET ME RESTART IT. OKAY, THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. OKAY, SEE NO DISCUSSION. UM, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT WE GET [12.7 Selection of Vice-Mayor for 2026] INTO 12 SEVEN. THIS IS SELECTION OF VICE MAYOR FOR 2026. UH, CITY CLERK. GOOD EVENING MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF. UH, THE CITY COUNCIL POLICY, UH, ONE 20 PROVIDES THE SELECTION OF THE VICE MAYOR SHALL BE BASED ON THE LENGTH OF TIME A MAYOR A MEMBER HAS SERVED IN CITY COUNCIL AND WHETHER THE MEMBER HAS PREVIOUSLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE. THE POLICY ALSO STATES THAT THE POSITION OF VICE MAYOR SHALL ROTATE AMONG COUNCIL MEMBERS SO THAT EACH COUNCIL MEMBER SERVES ONE YEAR AS VICE MAYOR DURING THEIR FOUR YEAR TERM. UNDER THIS ROTATION, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA IS NEXT IN LINE FOR CONSIDERATION. THE POLICY FURTHER STATES THAT THE VICE MAYOR SHALL BE THE COUNCIL MEMBER WITH THE MOST SENIORITY WHO HAS NOT SERVED AS VICE MAYOR IN THE LAST THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS. IN THE EVENT TWO OR MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SENIORITY AND HAVE NOT SERVED AS VICE MAYOR IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO RECEIVED THE LAST THE MOST VOTES IN THE LAST ELECTION WOULD SERVE AS VICE MAYOR FOR 2025. CALENDAR YEAR. COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ WOULD'VE QUALIFIED AS A CANDIDATE WHO RECEIVED THE MOST VOTES BETWEEN COUNCIL MEMBERS RODRIGUEZ AND BUSH. HOWEVER, CITY, UH, THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON DECEMBER 3RD, 2024, THE COUNCIL, CENS COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ DISQUALIFYING HIM FROM APPOINTMENT BY THE MAYOR AT THE DECEMBER 10TH, 2024 COUN CITY COUNCIL MEMBER MEETING. FOLLOWING THE CENSURE, A MOTION WAS MADE BY MAYOR MORRISON, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA TO WAIVE POLICY NUMBER ONE 20 TO ALLOW FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY. THE MOTION PASSED WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS BUSH MOLINA AND, UH, MORRISON VOTING YES. COUNCIL MEMBERS RODRIGUEZ AND YAMANI VOTING NO. A SUBSEQUENT MOTION BY MAYOR MORRISON, [06:10:01] SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA ESTABLISHED THE ORDER OF VICE MAYOR APPOINTMENTS FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS'. CURRENT TERMS AS FOLLOWS, VICE MAYOR BUSH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY SERVING, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA. COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI, COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ WOULD HAVE BEEN THE NEXT IN THE NATURAL ROTATION. HOWEVER, DUE TO THE CENSURE, HE WAS SKIPPED. THE POLICY STILL APPLIES TO HIM IN, IN THAT EACH MEMBER IS TO SERVE AS VICE MAYOR WITHIN THEIR FOUR YEAR TERM. COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ'S CURRENT TERM BEGAN IN 2024, WHICH MEANS HE MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR CONSIDERATION IN 2028, AT WHICH POINT HE WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE MOST SENIOR COUNCIL MEMBER WHO HAS NOT SERVED AS VICE MAYOR IN THE PROCEEDING THREE YEARS. UH, THAT'S MY REPORT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M AVAILABLE. BEING DONE. WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. MEMORY, YOUR HONOR. OH, THE SPEAKER. OKAY. WE HAVE, UH, ALICIA MORRISON TO BE FOLLOWED BY MPB TO BE FOLLOWED BY ED NETTO. IS HE STILL WITH US? OKAY. WELL THANK YOU FOR THAT RECAP, SHELLY. UM, I TOO READ THE POLICY TODAY. UM, I ALSO PULLED THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS YEARS AND THE ROTATIONS AND, UM, I FIND IT APPALLING THAT LAST YEAR AFTER WE WAS CENSORED, UM, THAT THIS COUNCIL WOULD CREATE THEIR OWN RULES SO THAT HE COULDN'T COME BACK INTO THE ROTATION THE FOLLOWING YEARS BECAUSE, UH, FOR THIS YEAR, BECAUSE UNDER THE POLICY, HE WOULD BE THE MOST SENIOR COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE ONE WITH THE MOST VOTES, UH, 2,578 VOTES. UM, SO EACH ONE OF YOU HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE AS VICE MAYOR AND UM, I THINK YOU SHOULD GO BACK TO THE POLICY AND LOSE. ITS NOTHING AGAINST YOU. I'M SURE YOU'RE PROBABLY A VERY GOOD VICE MAYOR. I'VE NEVER COME TO THESE MEETINGS WHILE YOU WERE A VICE MAYOR. ONLY STARTED LAST YEAR. IN FACT, UH, THIS IS MY ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF ATTENDING A CITY, UH, UH, OFFICIAL MEETING, NOT CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT WAS THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. UM, BUT UM, I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD GO BACK TO WHAT YOUR POLICY IS. YOU GUYS HAVE A HABIT OF CHANGING POLICIES THAT PUTS THE WALL RIGHT HERE. THAT'S WHERE THIS WALL IS RIGHT THERE. SO I'M OPPOSED, UH, FOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER L LU MOLINA TO BE VICE MAYOR, BUT NOTHING PERSONAL. I THINK IT'S JUST TO FOLLOW YOUR OWN POLICIES. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THERE. VP TO BE FOLLOWED BY EDWIN NETTO IF SHE'S STILL HERE. FOLLOWED BY DOYLE MORRISON. I AM GONNA PIGGYBACK ON WHAT, UH, ALICIA JUST SAID. I'M ALSO VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH YOUR DECISION. IF I WAS IN YOUR SHOES LOOSE, I WOULD BE ASHAMED TO BE TAKING SOMEBODY ELSE'S POSITION, UH, THAT YOU DID NOT DESERVE. UM, IT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE AFRAID OF, UH, JOSE, UH, HOLDING JOSIE FLORES CLARK ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS HER MISDEEDS, UH, HER SEXUAL HARASSMENT COMPLAINT. UH, SOMEONE MIGHT BE ASKING, SHOULD THESE POLICY VIOLATIONS BE, UH, REPORTED TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL? SHOULD THESE VIOLATIONS BE, UH, REPORTED TO THE PUBLICLY IN INTEGRITY UNIT, I WOULD DEFINITELY DO SO. ABSOLUTELY. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT THIS ABUSE OF POWER. MARCUS, YOU, YOU AND RON CONTINUE TO TRY TO SILENCE US AND DIS AND DISCREDIT US AT CITY HALL IN SOCIAL MEDIA TO EVERYONE THAT LENDS YOUR EAR. BUT YOU WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL. WHY? BECAUSE YOU ARE THIS CREDIBLE. YOU ARE NOT CREDIBLE PEOPLE. YOU ARE DISHONEST. MARCUS. YOU ARE A DISH, VERY DISHONEST, PSYCHOPATH ADDICT, EMOTIONALLY UNREGULATED HUMAN BEING. YOU NEED TO PLEASE GET HELP. AND RON, PLEASE TALK TO THE ISSUE. INSTEAD OF JUST MAKING [06:15:01] ATTACKS, I AM NOT MAKING ATTACKS. I'M SAYING THE TRUTH. TRUTH. YOU LITERALLY, I'M SAYING TRUTH CALLED ME NAMES AND ATTACK ME TRUTH. OKAY? LITERALLY AFTER CALL ME. I'M SAYING THE TRUTH. THEREFORE, YOUR OPINION OF US IS, IS MEANINGLESS. I KNOW WHO I AM. I DO HAVE A MORAL COMPASS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I WOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER JOSE AND DITAS AND, AND ATTORNEY, UH, UH, UH, BARRY TO PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS. THIS IS NOT RIGHT WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THESE BULLIES RIGHT HERE, THESE THREE BULLIES IS NOT RIGHT. YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING, PLEASE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAPPY HOLIDAYS. AND I KNOW YOU'LL MISS ME. SEE YOU IN JANUARY. MERRY CHRISTMAS. YES, PLEASE DO. IF YOU FOUND ADD, HE, HE, HE MAY HAVE LEFT. I DON'T KNOW. DID HE? OKAY. UH, HELLO AGAIN. CITY COUNCIL. OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR, I'VE BEEN TO MOST COUNCIL MEETINGS. LAST YEAR I SAW COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ GET BYPASSED FOR VICE MAYOR. UH, BUT ALL YEAR I HAVE SEEN HIM CONDUCT HIMSELF IN AN ORDERLY AND PROFESSIONAL AND BUSINESS-LIKE MANNER. I'VE ALSO SEEN VICE MAYOR THAT COULD HAVE DONE BETTER ON POLICY NUMBER 1 0 4, C3, AND FOUR MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL MAINTAIN A POLITE, RESPECTFUL, AND COURTEOUS MANNER WHEN ADDRESSING ONE ANOTHER. CITY STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DURING CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. WE JUST SAW AN OUTBREAK RIGHT NOW THAT PROBABLY DIDN'T FOLLOW THOSE POLICIES. I HAVE WORKED TO IMPROVE ON THESE POLICIES MYSELF OVER THE YEARS, EVEN THOUGH I STARTED OFF A LITTLE ROUGH YOU GUYS REMEMBER. AND, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU'VE SEEN IMPROVEMENTS IN ME COMING AND MAKING POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO THIS PROCESS. LIKE RODRIGUEZ SAID EARLIER, WE CAN DO BETTER. SELECT COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ AND FOLLOW YOUR OWN POLICY. ONE 20. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, LEMME JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT. THE, SINCE YOUR PROCESS IS ONE THAT IS BASICALLY A, YOU KNOW, WHERE A BODY SAYS THAT THEY DISAGREE WITH A MEMBER AND HOW THEY'VE CONDUCTED THEMSELF AND THERE NEEDS TO BE CORRECTIVE ACTION, THAT IN OF ITSELF IS ALL THAT IT IS. BUT THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU, THE ONLY ENFORCEMENT YOU HAVE ON IT IS WITH ASSIGNMENTS. AND SO, IN THE SAME WAY, UH, I WAS CENSORED ONCE AND I WAS CENSORED FOR SAYING THAT PEOPLE SHOULDN'T RIOT. AND I WAS TOLD THAT WAS TERRIBLE TO SAY SUCH A THING. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE COUNCIL TOOK ME OFF OF SANDAG THREE MEMBERS. UH, THAT WAS SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. IT WAS ALL, AND IT WAS NOT EVEN ON THE AGENDA. THEY DID IT UNDER COUNCIL COMMENTS. AND SO, I MEAN, IT WAS TOTALLY ILLEGAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE. UM, SO, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY RECOURSE THAT YOU HAVE IN AEN IS WITH ASSIGNMENTS. UH, IN MOST CITIES THEY PULL EVERY, THEY PULL THE PERSON OFF OF ALL COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS. IT'S HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES IN THIS COUNTY. JUST IN THIS LAST YEAR, UM, IN THIS CASE, WE TOOK HIM OFF. WE CHANGED THIS ONE THING. WE DID NOT SAY HE COULD NOT BE, UH, VICE MAYOR, IT'S JUST THAT A WEEK AFTER HE WAS CREED, WE DID NOT FEEL IT HIS RIGHT TO PUT HIM IN THE VICE MAYOR'S POSITION. SO WE STILL LEFT HIM WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF THE, THE POLICY TO LEAVE HIM STILL WITHIN HIS FOUR YEAR PERIOD. HE WOULD STILL GET TO SERVE FOR A YEAR. BUT THAT WAS AFTER WE VOTED TO WAIVE THE POLICY TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. UM, THE, UH, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS DONE ENTIRELY ACCORDING TO THE RULES. MUCH MORE LENIENT THAN HAS BEEN DONE IN ALMOST EVERY OTHER CENTURY THAT I KNOW ABOUT HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTY IN THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS. UM, SO THAT WAS ALL DONE A YEAR AGO. AND AS WE FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH THAT, THE MOTIONS WERE MADE THAT WERE VERY EXACT. AND SO WE ARE FOLLOWING WHAT IS NOW OUR POLICY. WE'RE FOLLOWING WHAT WAS THE ORDER THAT WAS VOTED ON. AND SO, UM, I WOULD GO WITH WHAT HAS BEEN WITHIN THE RECOMMENDATION. I'M SORRY, DO YOU'VE, YOU'VE ALREADY HAD, HAD YOUR CHANCE. I'M SORRY, I WAS JUST WHERE THAT RULES WERE. SO I CAN LOOK IT UP AND EDUCATE MYSELF. OKAY. ALRIGHT. LATER. OKAY. UM, WITH THAT, UM, [06:20:01] THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, I THINK I HAVE SPOKEN, UM, THIS, UM, TO YOU EARLIER. I'VE EXPRESSED MY, MY OPINION, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE ROTATION OF, UM, THE POSITION. UM, WHEN I, UM, GOT ELECTED COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA AND I IN 22, BECAUSE SHE GOT THE MOST VOTES. SHE WENT FIRST AS THE VICE MAYOR IN 23. AND THEN IN 24, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S A ROTATION, I BECAME THE VICE MAYOR. AND THEN THERE WAS AN ELECTION IN 24, UM, THAT COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ WON. UM, BY, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN BY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE, THE ONE THAT RECEIVED THE MOST VOTES BECAUSE THAT YEAR HE WAS CD UM, THIS YEAR 26, I MEAN 26, UM, DOES THAT C FOR TWO YEARS. BECAUSE IF YOU WILL ROTATE IN 26, THERE WILL BE AN ELECTION. MIGHT NOT BE ME, IT MIGHT NOT BE COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA, OR HYPOTHETICALLY IT WILL BE US AGAIN. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, RUNNING FOR THAT REELECTION AND COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA WILL AGAIN GET THE HIGHER VOTES. WILL SHE BE VICE MAYOR AGAIN FOR THE SECOND TIME BECAUSE OF THE POLICY OF THE ROTATION. SO WHY ARE WE, WHY DID I, I CANNOT, I CANNOT COMPREHEND WHY. I UNDERSTAND YOU GOT THE VOTE. THERE'S THREE VOTES THERE. UNDERSTAND, HOWEVER, I THINK WE ARE, WE ARE WEAKENING THE POLICY THAT WE OURSELVES HAD CREATED. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN HERE ON THE DICE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IF, IF YOU HAD CD HIM FOR THE YEAR WHEN HE WASN'T ABLE TO, WHEN, WHEN HE GOT THE MOST VOTES, FOLLOWED ALL THE, THE PROCESSES OF THE POLICY, BUT THEN HE GOT CENSURED, SO HE DIDN'T GET THE POSITION. NOW THAT THERE IS A ROTATION BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE VOTE, YOU'RE GONNA BYPASS HIM AGAIN. UH, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ELECTION. SO WHERE IS STATES GONNA BE THEN? HE WON'T BE, UH, IN THE FOUR YEARS. IT SAYS IN THE POLICY, THE FOUR YEAR TERM, ONCE YOU WILL GET, UM, A VICE MAYOR POSITION. SO THERE IS AN ELECTION IN 26, RIGHT? THAT'S COMING UP. SO THOSE TWO AGAIN WILL ROTATE. SO WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT ROTATION? NOW, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA, VICE MAYOR BUSH, WE ALREADY DETERMINED A ROTATION WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON A YEAR AGO. SO THERE'S AN ELECTION. NO, BUT I THAT, THAT THAT ROTATION WAS JUST FOR THAT YEAR, RIGHT? FOR THIS YEAR. FOR THIS YEAR, 2025, THERE IS AN ELECTION IN 2026 THAT WILL CREATE ANOTHER ROTATION. SO YOU HAVE WEIGHED HIS ROTATION TWICE. HAVEN'T WE WAIVED IT ONE TIME? OKAY. SO WE WAIVED IT TO THE END OF HIS, UH, INSTEAD OF THE BEGINNING OF HIS TERM, THE END OF HIS TERM, THAT WAS ALREADY VOTED ON A YEAR AGO. SO THAT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE BETWEEN THEN AND NOW. SO MAYOR, THERE IS AN ELECTION IN 26. TWO PEOPLE WILL RUN FOR POSITION HERE. DOESN'T MATTER WHO ONE GETS ELECTED WITH MOST VOTES. SO WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT PERSON? THEY'RE NOT GONNA SIT AS VICE MAYOR. THE ROTATION BROKE BECAUSE WE BROKE IT. WELL, WE, WE DID NOT BREAK IT. IT WOULD HAPPEN THE SAME WAY. THERE ANOTHER ALLOWANCE IN THERE THAT SAYS THAT IF A PERSON IS APPOINTED, NO MATTER WHERE THEY'RE AT IN THE ROTATION, IF THEY GET APPOINTED TO THE COUNCIL, THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR VICE MAYOR. SO THAT THROWS IT OFF AND YOU WOULD STILL END UP WITH THE EXACT SAME POSITION WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. SO THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S ALREADY ALLOWED WITHIN THERE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. AND SO FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA AND MYSELF WILL RUN FOR OFFICE IN 2026 AND SHE GETS THE MOST VOTES. AND RIGHT NOW YOU ARE RECOMMENDING HER TO BE THE VICE MAYOR NEXT YEAR IN 26 WHEN SHE WENT START WITH THE HIGH VOTE, SHE'LL BE VICE MAYOR AGAIN. IS THAT NO. THEN HOW'S THE ROTATION HAPPENED? WELL, HOW DID IT HAPPEN? BECAUSE IT'S, I KNOW IT'S ELEMENTARY, BUT I I DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND IT. WELL INTERRUPT YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, CAN YOU POINT TO ME OR TO US UNDER POLICY ONE 20 WHERE IT STATES THAT THE NEXT VICE MAYOR SHOULD BE MS. MOLINA. WHAT, WHAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IN THE POLICY [06:25:01] IS THAT WE VOTED TO WAIVE THE POLICY AND THEN WE SET THE ROTATION THAT IS IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF DECEMBER 10TH. SO, AND IT, BECAUSE OF YOUR ACTION, THE POLICY WHERE IT SAYS THAT MS. MOLINA WOULD BE NEXT IN LINE, THAT WAS A PART OF A MOTION THAT WAS MADE DECEMBER THE 10TH THAT WAS VOTED ON BY THIS BODY. SO YOU CAN'T, BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE POLICY, BECAUSE THE POLICY WAS WAIVED. THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS NOT A POLICY. YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY, THAT INSTANCE, I ACTUALLY REMEMBER THIS, UH, VERY CLEARLY, AND THIS IS MAYBE THE PROBLEM WITH OUR CITY IN THAT WE JUST KIND OF DO WILLY-NILLY AS WE SEE FIT. AND I REMEMBER HAVING THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHO WOULD BE VICE MAYOR WITH MARCUS ABOUT NINE YEARS AGO. AND WE WERE HERE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF ALEJANDRA AND MONA BECAUSE RON WAS AGAIN DOING THE SAME THING, BYPASSING WHO WOULD BE NEXT BASED ON THE POLICY ITSELF. IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST THE POLITICS OF CONVENIENCE AND THAT'S A PROBLEM. SO NOWHERE IN THE POLICY ONE 20, WHICH GUIDES WHO WOULD BE VICE MAYOR, DOES IT ACTUALLY STATE THAT MEMBER MOLINA SHOULD BE THE NEXT, UH, VICE MAYOR? IT ACTUALLY STATES THAT, LET ME JUST READ IT SO WE CAN BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT IT. THE VICE MAYOR SHALL BE THE COUNCIL MEMBER WITH THE MOST SENIORITY WHO HAS NOT BEEN VICE MAYOR IN THE LAST THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS. AND THE EVENT OF TWO OR MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE THE EQUAL SENIORITY AND HAVE NOT BEEN VICE MAYOR IN THE LAST THREE ECO CONSECUTIVE YEARS. THE COUNCIL MEMBER WITH THE MOST VOTES IN THEIR LAST REGULAR GENERAL ELECTION, SO SHALL SERVE AS VICE MAYOR. SO LOOKING AT WHO HAS SERVED AS VICE MAYOR 2021, I ENDED UP GETTING THE MOST VOTES IN 2020. SO I RIGHTFULLY SERVED AS VICE MAYOR IN 2021. MARCUS THEN BECAUSE HE HAD WON HIS ELECTION IN 2020, SERVED IN 22, MS. MOLINA GOT THE MOST VOTES IN 2022, WHICH IS WHY SHE SERVED IN 2023 AS VICE MAYOR. MS. YAMANI THEN SERVED IN 2024. I GOT THE MOST VOTES LAST YEAR AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN SERVING IN 2025. BUT YOU USED IT AS AN EXCUSE. THAT'S OKAY. IT IS WHAT IT IS. BUT HERE YOU ARE DOING IT AGAIN. MM-HMM . AND I GUESS THE POINT IS, WHY HAVE POLICIES IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE FOLLOWED? AND MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CITY THAT WE HAVE TO EVENTUALLY WEED OUT. BECAUSE IF WE'RE JUST WILLING TO UTILIZE IT AT OUR POLITICAL EXPEDIENCE AND UH, UH, ADVANTAGE, THEN THEN WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING RULES? THEY'RE JUST, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST GONNA USE THEM AS WE SEE FIT. AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'S JUST A SO DEEPLY EMBEDDED WITHIN THE CITY AND THE ONLY REAL KIND OF, UM, CONSISTENT PERSON THROUGH ALL THIS HAS BEEN MAYOR MORRISON. 'CAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A REOCCURRING THEME OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO I WOULD URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO ACTUALLY FOLLOW POLICIES ONCE IN A WHILE AND, AND ACTUALLY FOLLOW WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US. THANK YOU. WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU. THERE'S WHAT? NO, I'M GONNA GO FOR MOMENT. I'M GONNA AGREE WITH YOU THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF WILLY-NILLY, IT WAS BECAUSE OF YOU DOING WILLY-NILLY THINGS ON YOUR OWN AND THE, THE COUNCIL CALLING YOU TO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR IT. SO THIS WAS A DEAL OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND I KNOW, AND IT WAS BECAUSE YOU STILL WERE NOT BE, EVEN, EVEN AFTER THE C YOU WERE NOT WILLING TO BE REPENT TOWARD YOUR ACTIONS OR YOUR ATTITUDES. AND SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY. THIS IS THE ONLY LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY THAT WE BASICALLY HAD, AND YET WE WERE ACTUALLY VERY LENIENT IN IT AS IT WAS. AND SO THERE WAS A RELAXING OF THE, UH, UH, THE POLICY AND IT WAS, IT WAS VOTED ON TO WAIVE IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE, WHAT ELSE COULD WE DO TO DEAL WITH YOUR SITUATION? AND SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TO DO AND YOU CONTINUE TO DO THE WILLY-NILLY STUFF AND CONTINUE TO PLAY THE GAMES, BUT YOU STILL WANNA PLAY THE VICTIM ALL THE TIME INSTEAD OF THE VICTIMIZER. SO MAYOR, YOU, YOU ARE SO BLATANTLY LYING. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE LAST YEAR YOU PUBLICLY STATED THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE AND HAD A DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH ABOUT CING ME EARLIER IN THE YEAR. MM-HMM . YOU HAD THAT DISCUSSION AND THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT WAS AN ELECTION YEAR AND YOU WANTED TO USE IT FOR YOUR ELECTION CAMPAIGN. OKAY? IT IS WHAT IT IS. IT'S FINE. YOU JUST TURNED, YOU JUST TURNED THE CONVERSATION. NO, I DIDN'T BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU TRIED TO DO. RIGHT? AND, AND MEMBER BUSH DIDN'T GO ALONG WITH IT EARLIER ON THE YEAR, BUT HE DID LATER ON. SO LET'S NOT SAY THIS IS NOT POLITICALLY MOTIVATED. YEAH. BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE ELECTION, WHICH AGAIN IS UTILIZING OUR POLICIES FOR OUR OWN POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY. SO I WOULD URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO ACTUALLY FOLLOW OUR POLICIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU JUST, YOU JUST TURNED THE TRUTH RIGHT, RIGHT ON HIS HEAD. BECAUSE [06:30:01] WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SAID WAS THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT A NEED TO CENSOR YOU, BUT WE ALL, EVERYONE DECIDED NOT TO DO IT, TO NOT ALLOW IT TO BE POLITICAL AND NOT DO IT BEFORE THE ELECTION. SO HIM, THAT'S A DIFFERENCE FOR TWO YEARS, HUH? CENSOR HIM FOR TWO YEARS. NO, WE CENSORED HIM ONE TIME. OKAY. BUT THE PUNISHMENT, THE, IF YOU WANNA CALL IT THE LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY, WHICH WAS SLIGHT 'CAUSE WE COULD HAVE JUST TAKEN HIM OUTTA ROTATION ENTIRELY. I SEE. BUT WE PUT HIM TO THE END OF HIS TERM, STILL KEPT HIM WITHIN THE POLICY OF SAYING YOU GOT TO DO IT ONCE WITHIN YOUR TERM. AND SO ANYWAY, UH, MEMBER BUSH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT LIZ MOLINA AS VICE MAYOR. I'LL SECOND THAT. AND THEN JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS. UH, FIRST OF ALL, UM, COUNCIL POLICY, WE CONTROL COUNCIL POLICY, WE CAN WAIVE IT. AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE JUSTIFICATION. THE POLITICS, THE WORD IS ABOUT POWER, DISCUSSION OF POWER. SO YOU CAN CALL AND NAME ANYTHING POLITICAL. UM, AND YOU, IF YOU WANT TO CHARACTERIZE THIS POSITION, THIS POSITION OR THE ACTION IS POLITICAL, I'M FINE WITH THAT. MY RATIONALE IS I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE VICE MAYOR JOSE. THIS IS THAT SIMPLE. I THINK THAT YOUR CONDUCT, NOT JUST THIS LAST YEAR, BUT EVEN THIS CURRENT YEAR AND EVEN THIS EVENING HAS BEEN SOMEONE THAT I DON'T WANT REPRESENTING THE CITY IN THE ABSENCE OF THE MAYOR. THAT'S MY OPINION. AND I THINK THAT'S WORTH WAIVING COUNCIL POLICY TO, AND I UNDERSTAND THE, UM, YOUR POSITION, BUT MY CRITICISM OF YOU IS YOU ALSO ESCAPE ACCOUNTABILITY AND YOU HAVEN'T BEEN CONSISTENT ON ACCOUNTABILITY WITH JOSE. AND I CRITICIZE THAT. SO THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. EXCUSE ME ON THAT. UH, LET ME, EXCUSE ME, VICE MAYOR, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO POINT AT ME RIGHT NOW? I ALREADY SAID IT. UH, WHAT I'M, I AM JUST ASKING, DO YOU WANNA LET ME FINISH IF YOU HAD, WHAT, WHAT ACCOUNTABILITY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? SO I'M TALKING ABOUT, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CONDUCT IN THE CENSURE AND I'M TALKING ABOUT SEVERAL THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN THIS YEAR, LEAKING OF CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION FROM CLOSED SESSION TO MIKA AND LOUISA AHMAN, THEY'RE NOT HERE, BUT, UH, OF, OF THEM. AND LA VISTA. I'M TALKING ABOUT NOT PARTICIPATING IN INVESTIGATIONS INTO THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU'VE BEEN SILENT ABOUT AND THAT'S FINE. I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE WITH YOU BACK AND FORTH RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY MADE YOUR DECISION. I THINK IT'S POLITICAL TOO, BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE, OUTSIDERS, AGAIN, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. OUTSIDERS HAVE BEEN ATTACKING CITY STAFF, CITY COUNCIL, YOU'VE BEEN SILENT AND JOSE'S SILENT. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I DO, SIR. I KNOW THAT WHEN I'VE, WHEN ALEX WAS ATTACKED, YOU HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING. YOU HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING TONIGHT PUBLICLY ABOUT IT. SO ALL ARMS ARE GOING BY IS YOUR WORDS. YOU KNOW WHAT I DO? OKAY, THAT'S FINE. DIHA. UM, I JUST, I THINK THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT I DO FOR ME. JOSES. I DO JOSE, I'M FINE WITH THAT. SO JOSE'S CONDUCT, TO ME IT'S, UH, DISQUALIFYING FOR BEING VICE MAYOR CONSIDERATION RIGHT NOW, DISQUALIFYING FOR TWO YEARS. I'M SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW. I DON'T WANT HIM TO BE VICE MAYOR. I'M SAYING THAT SIMPLY. I THINK HE'S GONNA, HE'S ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNING AND I BELIEVE THAT HE WILL WEAPONIZE THE POSITION AND UTILIZE AND ABUSE THE POSITION. AND I'VE SEEN HIM DO IT BEFORE. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. SO, AND I JUST THINK OVERALL I SEE A REFUSAL OF ACCOUNTABILITY OR AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, HAVE GONE ON. SO FOR THAT, I AM, UH, SUPPORTING LUIS'S VICE MAYOR, YOU WANNA PUSH YOUR MOTION BUTTON? NO. MR. MAYOR, UH, UH, MR. VICE MAYOR, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT YOU SEEM TO BE VERY STRONG ABOUT THIS ACCOUNTABILITY TO EVERYBODY EXCEPT YOU. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ONGOING ISSUE WE HAVE AT OUR, AT THE CITY. I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE ONGOING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS, BUT IT'S NOT OKAY TO COME TO MEETINGS AND OFFICIAL THINGS. HI. IT'S NOT OKAY. IT'S NOT OKAY TO FILE A, A, A COMPLAINT TO THE STATE BAR AGAINST OUR OWN CITY ATTORNEY. IT'S NOT OKAY. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? AND THE FACT THAT YOUR COLLEAGUES ARE OKAY WITH THAT AND TACITLY ACCEPTING THAT IS WHAT HAS LED US TO THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE TODAY, WHICH IS A, A A TON OF INSTABILITY RECKLESSNESS. AND I FEEL IT'S INTENTIONAL BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN THE SAME CITY WE'VE HAD FOR MANY YEARS. THIS IS THE SAME WAY IT'S OPERATING UNDER MAYOR MORRISON. SO I THINK IT'S A SHAME. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS CONTINUED TO HAPPEN. AND I DO THINK IT NEEDS TO BE WEEDED OUT. OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES BETTER. YEAH. FOR THE RECORD, I'VE NEVER IN MY LIFE CAME TO A COUNCIL MEETING HIGH DRUNK OR UNDER THE INFLUENCE. THAT'S NOT TRUE. INFLUENCE. THAT'S NOT TRUE. AND IF THAT REALLY WERE AN ISSUE, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT UP DURING THAT TIME AND NOT IN RESPONSE TO YOU BEING DENIED AS VICE MAYOR, BECAUSE THAT TO ME, THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. BUT THAT'S OKAY. THE FIRST TIME YOU BROUGHT THAT UP WAS IN CLOSED SESSION. AND SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, LUIS AND MIKA BROUGHT THAT UP THE SAME WAY YOU BROUGHT UP MARCUS SEXUAL HARASSMENT SECRET. AND THAT CAME OUT. AND THE THIRD TIME WAS COMMENTS YOU MADE ABOUT OUR ACTING CITY MANAGER. AND THAT ALSO CAME OUT AND THE SUBSEQUENT MEETING FROM, UH, LUISA AND MIKA CRITICIZING ALEX. SO I'VE SEEN A PATTERN HERE. THOSE THAT, THOSE PATTERNS FOR ME [06:35:01] ARE WHY I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE VICE MAYOR. OKAY? WELL, YOU KNOW, AND I, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I KNOW YOU'RE ACCUSED OF EVERYTHING THAT ANY ONE OF US DO IS POLITICAL. THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU DON'T ACCUSE THAT OF IS YOURSELF. EVEN THOUGH, AND EVEN ACCUSED EARLIER THIS EVENING THAT SOMEHOW IT WAS AN ORCHESTRATED DISCUSSION UP HERE, EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE JUST TODAY ORCHESTRATING THE LITTLE TRIO, LITERALLY ORCHESTRATING BACK THERE WITH DOY CONVERSATIONS, LITERALLY WITH ANY ONE OF THEM ABOUT THIS NOT DOOR CONVERS. WHY DID DOYLE GO ASK HIM? JUST ASK HIM. YOU NEED TO ASK HIM. NEED TO ASK YOU GO OUT THERE. YOU NEED TO ASK HIM. IT'S ONE OH THREE CONVERSATION. I CALL THE QUESTION, IT'S ONE OH THREE. I CALL THE QUESTION YOU NEED TO GO ASK THEM. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. FOLLOW YOUR POLICIES. PLEASE, PLEASE VOTE. AND WE ARE THANK YOU. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED BY THREE TO TWO VOTE WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS. YAMANI AND RODRIGUEZ VOTING. NO. OKAY. UM, NEXT WE GO ON TO ANY, UM, STAFF, UH, ANYTHING FROM CITY MANAGER? I HAVE NOTHING. OKAY. UH, CITY [14. ELECTED OFFICIALS REPORT] COUNCIL, CONGRATULATIONS. ACTING WELL. CITY MANAGER ALEX HERNANDEZ. UM, AND HAVE A WONDERFUL CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S. OKAY. THANK YOU, ETHOS. THANK YOU MAYOR. HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO EVERYONE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WHAT ELSE IS IN? THANK YOU EVERYBODY. SUPER LATE. HAVE A VERY GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE. MERRY CHRISTMAS. I THINK WE MIGHT BE BACK NEXT WEEK. JUST FYI AND CONGRATULATIONS VICE MAYOR. ALRIGHT. UH, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. AND, UH, WE WILL, UH, UH, DO WANNA WISH EVERYONE A MERRY CHRISTMAS OR HOWEVER YOUR FAMILY CELEBRATES THE HOLIDAYS. HOPEFULLY YOU'LL HAVE A GREAT TIME WITH THAT. UH, WITH THAT I'M GONNA GO TO OUR [15. CITY ATTORNEY REPORT] CITY ATTORNEY AND ASK FOR A, UH, READOUT OF A CLOSED SESSION. OKAY. I KNOW IT'S LATE, BUT I STILL GOTTA DO THE READOUT. YEP. SO, COUPLE OF THINGS. UM, 5.2 WAS, UH, REGARDING THE EXISTING LITIGATION INVOLVING CAL MOTA VERSUS CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS AUTHORIZED A PROPOSED SETTLEMENT OF THAT LITIGATION WITH RESPECT TO 5.4 PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT CITY MANAGER. UM, OUR CURRENT INTERIM CITY MANAGER, SCOTT HU, IS CURRENTLY OUT OF STATE AND APPOINTED ALEX HERNANDEZ AS A, AS THE ACTING CITY MANAGER. DURING HIS ABSENCE, MR. HUTH IS UH, WHAT WE CALL AN ANNUITANT. SO HE IS A RETIRED INDIVIDUAL THAT IS WORKING AND AS A RESULT HAS A RESTRICTED NUMBER OF HOURS. HE IS CURRENTLY REACHING THAT LIMIT AND THEREFORE THE COUNCIL HAS AGREED TO FORMALLY APPOINT ALEX HERNANDEZ AS ACTING CITY MANAGER UPON SUCH TIME AS SCOTT'S TIME RUNS OUT OR AT THE LATEST, UH, EFFECTIVE FRIDAY AFTERNOON AT FIVE O'CLOCK. SO IF HIS TIME RUNS OUT BEFORE FRIDAY, THEN HE WILL BECOME THE ACTING CITY MANAGER. UM, AND IF IT'S NOT RUN OUT, THEN COME 5 0 1, YOU'LL BE IT. UH, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY THIS APPOINTMENT WILL, UH, REMAIN IN EFFECT UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE CITY, AS A NEW CITY MANAGER, UH, IS BROUGHT FORWARD. UM, LET'S SEE. THE LAST ITEM I WANNA REPORT OUT ON IS PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT FOR CITY ATTORNEY. MY CONTRACT AS CITY ATTORNEY, UH, HAS A TERM THAT ENDS AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, AND I HAVE PROVIDED NOTICE TO THE COUNCIL THAT I WOULD NOT WANT TO EXTEND MY TERM AS CITY ATTORNEY. IN LIGHT OF THIS, THE COUNCIL HAS DECIDED TO APPOINT THE, UH, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY RICHARD ROMERO AS THE ACTING CITY ATTORNEY, EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST. AND THE COUNCIL HAS ALSO AUTHORIZED THE COMMENCEMENT OF A SEARCH FOR A NEW PERMANENT CITY ATTORNEY. WITH RESPECT TO THE OTHER ITEMS ON THE CLOSED SESSION, THERE ARE NO REPORTABLE ACTION. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. AND WITH THAT, WE BID EVERYONE A GOOD MORNING. WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.