Nov 17, 2025 Planning Commission

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THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY'S WEBSITE INFORM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY CAN SUBMIT PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.

FIRST, BY EMAIL AT PLC PB.

COMMENT@NATIONALCDC.GOV NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING, SECOND VIA ZOOM BY PRE-REGISTERING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING AT HTTPS SLASH SLASH WWW.NATIONALCDC.GOV/PUBLIC COMMENT.

THIRD, THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE COMMENTS IN PERSON AT THE MEETING.

ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED WILL BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS APPROPRIATE PRIOR TO THE RESPECTIVE MEETINGS AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

IF RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE, I REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SECRETARY NOW PROCEED WITH ROLL CALL CASTLE PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER PRESENT, COMMISSIONER KIONE.

COMMISSIONER KIONE PRESENT, COMMISSIONER GOGI PRESENT, CHAIR MILLER PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ AND COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA ARE ABSENT TODAY.

THANK YOU.

I WILL NOW HAVE COMMISSIONER GOGI LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE.

READY? BEGIN.

I.

OKAY.

READY TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC, OR WHICH IT STANDS.

STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

THANK YOU.

WE WILL NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS OR MATTERS THAT ARE NOT, I REPEAT NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

UNDER STATE LAW, WE CANNOT RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND ITEMS REQUIRING PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION.

THESE ITEMS MUST BE BROUGHT BACK ON A SUBSEQUENT AGENDA UNLESS THEY ARE OF A DEMONSTRATED EMERGENCY OR URGENT NATURE.

MADAM SECRETARY, ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA? NO.

CHAIR.

THANK YOU.

WE WILL NOW, UH, BEGIN CONSIDERATION OF THE ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION.

UM, AGENDA ITEM ONE

[1. Approval of the Agenda for the Meeting on November 17, 2025 ]

IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION, UH, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, DO I HAVE A MOTION? OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE SALGADO AND A SECOND BY, UH, COMMISSIONER ARMENT TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AND WE WILL VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE, UH, VOTE MOTION APPROVE WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

ITEM

[2. Approval of Minutes from the Meeting of October 20, 2025]

IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, DO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE DEL SALGADO AND A SECOND BY, UH, COMMISSIONER GOGI TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AND WE WILL VOTE NOW ELECTRONICALLY ON THAT AS WELL.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE, UH, VOTE MOTION APPROVE WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UH, THIS IS THE TIME AND

[3. Determination that the Project is Categorically Exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) Under Class 3 of the CEQA Guidelines Section 15303 (New Construction or Conversion of Small Structures) and Zone Variance to Deviate from Minimum Requirements for Lot Area, Street Frontage, and Setbacks at a Vacant Property Located on East 5th Street Between Highland Avenue and I Avenue. Case File No.: 2025-21 ZV APN: 556-311-10]

ITEM NUMBER THREE, DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, CQA UNDER CLASS THREE OF THE CQA GUIDELINES, SECTION 1 53 0 3, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES AND ZONE VARIANCE TO DEVIATE FROM MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR LOT AREA STREET FRONTAGE AND SETBACKS AT A VACANT PROPERTY LOCATED AT EAST FIFTH STREET BETWEEN HIGHLAND AVENUE AND I.

YES, BETWEEN, UH, HIGHLAND AVENUE AND I AVENUE, I HEREBY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

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COMMISSIONER QUINONES, I, I DROVE BY, BUT IT WAS HARD FOR ME TO FIND IT AND SEE IT, BUT I DID GO BY.

THANK YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONER ARMINTA.

UH, I, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, WENT TO VISIT THE PROPERTY YESTERDAY AND I ALSO, UH, SPOKE TO, UM, THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE, UH, ALONG THAT PROPERTY AND ACROSS THE STREET.

SO, YEAH.

THANK YOU.

WAS THERE PROBABLY FOR ABOUT 45 MINUTES OR SO.

OKAY.

UH, VICE CHAIR, UM, I ACTUALLY LIVE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF THAT AND I UNFORTUNATELY WILL HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW.

DOES SHE NEED TO STEP DOWN FROM THE PODIUM? YES.

OKAY.

CHAIR.

UH, YES.

COMMISSIONER GOGI, COULD YOU MAKE SURE YOUR MIC IS, THERE YOU GO.

NOW IT'S ON.

OKAY.

I WENT BY THE PROPERTY THIS MORNING LAST.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, I ALSO WENT BY THE PROPERTY THIS MORNING AND, UM, INSPECTED IT.

I GOT OUT OF MY TRUCK AND WALKED AROUND TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.

UH, SO I DID VIEW IT AS WELL.

OKAY.

UH, MADAM SECRETARY OF THE NOTICES IS REQUIRED BY LO AND GIVEN, AND DO WE HAVE ANY, HAVE THE COMPLETE FILE OF EXHIBITS, CORRESPONDENCE AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YES, CHAIR.

THANK YOU.

WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM FOR US PREDATING MR. CHAIR, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

MY NAME IS DAVID WELCH WITH THE PLANNING DIVISION.

UM, ITEM THREE IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR HIS OWN VARIANCE, UH, FOR A VACANT LOT LOCATED ON EAST FIFTH STREET.

UM, HERE'S AN OVERHEAD OF THE SITE.

UM, IT'S A SOMEWHAT NARROW, SMALLER LOT IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK.

YOU CAN SEE THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED RS TWO, WHICH IS SMALL LOT RESIDENTIAL.

UM, THE PARCEL IS APPROXIMATELY 2,500 SQUARE FEET.

UH, IT'S A RECTANGULAR SHAPE.

UM, IT'S BASICALLY A LEFTOVER FROM PREVIOUS LAND DEVELOPMENTS ON THE BLOCK.

UM, AND WE WOULD CONSIDER THIS SUBSTANDARD AS FAR AS, UH, HAVING A BUILDABLE AREA, UH, WITH AND MEETING ALL DEVELOPMENT CODES.

UM, THE AREA IS BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.

UM, SO TO THE WEST IS HIGHLAND AVENUE AND THAT'S A MIXED USE CORRIDOR.

AND THEN FROM THIS PROPERTY MOVING EAST IS, UH, RESIDENTIALLY ZONED.

UM, AND THERE'S RETAIL ON HIGHLAND.

HERE'S A LOOK AT THE SITE.

UM, THIS IS FROM EAST FIFTH LOOKING SOUTH.

UM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S NOT A VERY LARGE LOT.

UH, IT'S FLAT.

IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT.

JUST ANOTHER CLOSER UP PICTURE.

UM, SO WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL? UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO CONSTRUCT, UH, 1021 SQUARE FOOT RESIDENCE, A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.

THIS WOULD ONLY BE ONE STORY AND HAVE THREE BEDROOMS AND TWO BATHROOMS, UM, ATTACHED TO THE, UH, RESIDENCE.

THE APPLICANTS IS ALSO PROPOSING TO INCLUDE A 454 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY DWELLING IN IT.

THIS WOULD ALSO BE ONE STORY, UM, JUST ONE BED, ONE BATH.

UM, IN ORDER TO DO SO, AS THE APPLICANT PROPOSES, UH, REDUCED MINIMUM LOT SIZES, STREET FRONTAGES AND SETBACKS WOULD BE REQUIRED.

UM, HERE'S AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE SITE WOULD LOOK LIKE.

UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT, UH, THAT'S A WALKWAY.

SO THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY, NO PARKING WOULD BE INCLUDED.

UM, AND THEN THE ORANGE IS WHERE THE PRIMARY DWELLING UNIT WOULD BE LOCATED.

AND IN THE, THE BLUE SQUARE IN THE BACK IS WHERE THE A DU WOULD BE LOCATED.

SO LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, THIS IS A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT LOT.

UH, THE MINIMUM REQUIRED IN THE ZONE IS 5,000, SO IT'S NOT MEETING THAT.

UM, ALSO YOU HAVE A COVERED PORCH EXTENDING INTO THE 20 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK.

UH, SO IT'S NOT MEETING THE FRONT YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENT.

UH, THE INTERIOR SIDE SETBACKS REQUIRED ARE FIVE FEET.

UM, THIS WOULD BE ENCROACHED ON BOTH SIDES BY THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND THEN THE REAR YARD SETBACK IS 25 FEET.

FOR THIS HOME, UH, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE ENCROACHED BY THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I CAN ALSO NOTE THAT ADUS HAVE, UH, REDUCED SETBACKS OF ONLY FOUR FEET.

UM, BUT THIS IS NOT MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT.

SO IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT AS PROPOSED, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A 17 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK, A THREE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK ON THE WEST SIDE, A ZERO FOOT

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HERE'S A CLOSER LOOK AT WHAT THE ONE STORY, UH, STRUCTURE WOULD LOOK LIKE.

UH, BEDROOM LIVING ROOM IN FRONT HALLWAY, PROVIDING ACCESS TO THREE BEDROOMS, THAT'D BE THE MAIN HOUSE.

AND THEN A WALKWAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD LEAD TO THE A DU.

ONCE AGAIN, UH, KIND OF A KITCHEN BEDROOM AREA AND A ONE BEDROOM, ONE BATH ELEVATIONS.

UM, IT'S JUST A SIMPLE, UM, COVERED PORCH PITCHED ROOF.

UM, IT IS A LITTLE BIT LONG AND SKINNY COMPARED TO WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE DUE TO THE SIZE SHAPE OF THE LOT.

UM, MOVING ON INTO THE ANALYSIS, UM, STAFF IS FINDING THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN, WHICH ENCOURAGES, UH, THE PROMOTING INFILL DEVELOPMENT, UM, REMOVING BARRIERS TO CONSTRUCT ON LOSS IN THE CITY.

UM, OUR GENERAL PLAN ALSO ENCOURAGES DIFFERENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING TYPES SUCH AS ADUS, UH, WHICH IS BEING PROPOSED HERE.

UM, THIS WOULD ALSO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY.

IN THE CITY, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF SUBDIVISION, SO WE'RE NOT SEEING NEW, NEW LOTS BEING DEVELOPED VERY OFTEN.

UM, AND IN THE RS TWO ZONE, THE THAT ZONE DOES ALLOW FOR ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE PER LOT, UM, WHERE IT'S, UH, WHERE YOU'RE ABLE TO DO SO.

UM, THE PROPOSAL CAN BE FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE CODE, WITH THE GRANTING OF THE REQUESTED VARIANCES.

UM, SO THE REQUIREMENT FOR A LOT SIZE IS 5,000 SQUARE FEET, AS I MENTIONED.

UM, 50 FEET OF STREET FRONTAGE.

UM, SO THAT'S THE SECOND VARIANCE.

UH, 20 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACKS, INTERIOR SIDE SETBACKS IN REGARD SETBACKS.

SO, UM, THERE ARE THINGS THAT'S NOT MEETING AS PROPOSED, BUT WITH A GRANTING OF A VARIANCE THAT CAN BE CON FOUND CONSISTENT.

SO WHAT FINDINGS ARE WE TO BE LOOKING AT FOR THE GRANTING OF A ZONE VARIANCE? UM, THE FIRST IS THAT THEY SHOULD ONLY BE GRANTED WHEN THERE ARE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES FOR THE PROPERTY, SUCH AS THE SIZE, THE SHAPE, TOPOGRAPHY, LOCATION, OR SURROUNDINGS.

UH, THAT WOULD MAKE THE STRICT APPLICATION OF TITLE 18, UH, THAT WOULD DEPRIVE THE PROPERTY OF PRIVILEGES ENJOYED BY OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE VICINITY.

SO THIS LOT IS HALF THE REQUIRED SIZE, WHICH, UM, RESTRICTS THE BUILDING AREA ON THE SITE, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY.

UM, THE HALF OF THE REQUIRED STRAIGHT FRONTAGE ALSO, UH, MAKES A LOT FAIRLY SKINNY, WHICH ALSO MAKES IT HARD TO CONSTRUCT A BUILDING.

UM, AND THEN BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE OF THE LOT AND THE SIZE, IT'S HARD TO FIT BOTH A RESIDENCE AND AN A DU, WHICH WOULD TYPICALLY BE ENJOYED ON A SINGLE FAMILY LOT.

SECOND FINDING IS THAT THE, UM, GRANTING WILL NOT CONSTITUTE A SPECIAL PRIVILEGES THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE VICINITY AND THE ZONE IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS SITUATED.

UM, NATIONAL CITY IS VERY OLD.

UH, WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF LOTS BELOW 5,000 SQUARE FEET THAT ARE CON CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES.

UM, THAT'S PRETTY COMMON THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

UM, AND THEN EVEN IN THE VICINITY THERE'S HOUSES THAT DON'T MEET LOT SIZES OR SETBACK AREA SETBACKS.

SO, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT UNIQUE TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY OR THIS REQUEST.

UM, AND THEN IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.

UH, IT'S MOSTLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, SMALL APARTMENT BUILDINGS, AND SMALL RETAIL.

THE THIRD FAIRING, UH, THE THIRD FINDING IS THAT THE USE, UH, IS AN AUTHORIZED USE IN THE ZONE.

SO THE RSS TWO ZONE, UH, STRICTLY ALLOWS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ONE PER LOT AS WELL AS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

LOOKING AT THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A DETERMINATION THAT IT'S CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT, UH, UNDER, UH, CLASS TWO OR SHOULD BE CLASS THREE, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES.

UH, THIS EXEMPTION IS SPECIFIC TO SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TODAY.

UM, MOVING ON TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

UH, WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM BUILDING ENGINEERING AND FIRE.

UH, THESE COMMENTS WERE RELATED TO ADHERENCE TO, UH, SPECIFIC CODES.

UM, WE DID HAVE SPECIFIC CONCERNS FROM BUILDING AND ENGINEERING ABOUT BUILDING ON THE LOT LINE.

THE APPLICANT DID MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AS TO THE LOCATION OF THE STRUCTURES TO MAKE SURE THE SUFFICIENT SPACE TO DEAL WITH DRAINAGE AND, UM, FIRE, FIRE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, THEN IN SUMMARY, CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL

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UM, AND TITLE 18 DOES PERMIT ZONE VARIANCES WHEN WE MAKE THE APPROPRIATE FINDINGS.

SO THE OPTIONS FOR THE COMMISSION HERE TONIGHT ARE TO FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CQA AND APPROVE THE ZONE VARIANCE BASED ON, UH, FINDINGS LISTED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION OR FINDINGS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION.

OR THE COMMISSION CAN FIND THE PROJECT NOT EXEMPT FROM CQA AND OR DENY THE ZONE VARIANCE BASED ON FINDINGS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION.

UM, COMMISSION CAN ALSO CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

UM, STEPH IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UH, SHOULD IT BE APPROVED AND NOTICE OF DECI DECISION WILL BE SENT TO CITY COUNCIL.

ONCE AGAIN, THE SITE AND THE VARIANCE REQUEST.

UM, THAT WILL CONCLUDE STAFF'S PRESENTATION.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY, UH, QUESTIONS THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU.

PRINCIPAL PLANNER WELSH, EXCUSE ME.

I INVITE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THEIR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION.

IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE, UH, APPLICANT HERE? YES, MA'AM.

HI, I AM FLAVIA GOMEZ WITH F DESIGN FLAVIA GOMEZ.

YES.

THANK YOU.

AND I'M THE APPLICANT.

HE'S, UH, JOE O GARY, THE OWNER.

THE OWNER.

UM, WE EACH PROPOSE WHAT YOU JUST, UH, PRESENTED.

IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UM, AND A A DU ON THE BACK.

UH, WE ASKED REQUESTING THOSE VARIANCE FOR THE MINIMUM SIZE LOT, THE, UH, FRONTAGE ONE, ONE FOOT FROM THE FRONTAGE AND THE HERE IN THE SIDE, SIDE BACKS.

UM, I THINK IT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT HE JUST PRESENTED.

THAT'S NOT MUCH TO TO SAY.

IT'S NOT, IT'S ONLY ONLY ONE STORY, UM, BUILDING.

IT'S NOT NO OVER 16 FEET.

UM, AND THAT'S ALL HE JUST PRESENTED THERE AND NOT MUCH TO ADD TO IT.

VERY GOOD.

MS. GOMEZ, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

WE WILL NOW HEAR LIVE FROM ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

I'M GONNA CALL TAMMY CHAVEZ TO COME UP AFTER HER WILL BE, UM, DAISY ELARA AND THEN MARTA ABBOTT, ABBOTT, AND THEN ALEXANDER FERNANDEZ, PLEASE.

HI, MY NAME IS TAMMY CHAVEZ.

I AM THE OWNER OF EIGHT 20 EAST FIFTH STREET NATIONAL CITY.

AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UM, I'M MORE OF THE A DU AND THE HOUSE BEING BUILT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A VERY BIG LOT.

THAT'S HOW I FEEL.

'CAUSE I'VE LIVED THERE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS BEFORE I BOUGHT MY OTHER HOUSE.

SO ANYWAYS, I JUST, MY CONCERN IS THEIR SAFETY, THEIR SECURITY FOR THE FAMILY, AND I THINK IT'S TOO DAMN CLOSE TO THEIR PROPERTY, THE LINE OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, YOU GOTTA EXCUSE ME SOMETIMES 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THINGS, I'M NOT A SPEAKER, I'LL TAKE THAT.

UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERN.

I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF, UM, IF THIS IS A BUSINESS FOR THAT PERSON OR DOES SHE HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE TO, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THAT'S US, ISN'T IT USUALLY A, A BUSINESS.

UM, I WANNA SAY A BUSINESS, UM, AREA.

'CAUSE MY HUSBAND HAD, AT THAT TIME, MY HUSBAND HAD, UM, A, A SPORTING GOODS STORE IN HIS HOUSE AND HE HAD TO GET A BUS BUSINESS PERMIT.

SO I WAS JUST KIND OF WWO WONDERING, IS THAT AREA AROUND THERE, IS IT A BUSINESS FOR THAT HOUSE TO BE BUILT RIGHT THERE? AND, AND IN THAT CASE, IS SHE GONNA NEED A BUSINESS LICENSE OR IS THAT GONNA PAY PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE COMING IN AND OUT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S LIKE THEY'RE GONNA SEE EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT PLACE RIGHT THERE WHERE I, I KNOW YOU GUYS WENT THERE TO CHECK IT OUT, BUT FOR ME, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT SAFETY AND PEOPLE PARKING OUT THERE.

THERE'S NO PARKING, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UM, FOR MYSELF, I CAN'T EVEN FIND A PARKING.

'CAUSE WHEN MY MOTHER GOES OVER TO THAT HOUSE, SHE'S, SHE'S HANDICAPPED AND THERE IS NO PARKING.

SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO GET, UM, UM, A HANDICAP PLA HER OUT THERE SO THAT YOU KNOW, THEY CAN PARK.

'CAUSE UM, MY

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SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GONNA BE CHILDREN RUNNING AROUND.

IS IT GONNA BE A LOW INCOME? IS IT GONNA JUST BE, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE THERE, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T EVEN BELONG THERE, LIVING IN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO THE, UH, TO THE, UH, RESTAURANT.

THEY'RE VERY LOUD TOO.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST CONCERNED.

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THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, NEXT UP IS DAISY AL KTAR.

HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

OKAY.

HELLO, MY NAME IS DAISY.

AND, UM, I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE, UH, THE PROPOSED BUILDING.

UM, UH, TODAY I'M HERE, UH, IN A POSITION OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING OF A HOUSE IN THE A DU NEXT TO MY PROPERTY.

UM, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT THE NEED FOR NEW HOUSING, THIS IS A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT THAT PRESENTS SEVERAL CRITICAL SAFETY AND INFRASTRUCTURE CONCERNS THAT WE MUST ADDRESS.

THE CORRIDOR PROBLEM LIES WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.

AS A NURSE, I KNOW THAT IN AN EMERGENCY EVERY SECOND COUNTS, THE PROPOSED DENSITY OF THIS PROJECT WILL LIKELY INCREASE TRAFFIC AND PARKING CONGESTION ON OUR ALREADY NARROW STREET.

THIS DIRECTLY IMPACTS THE ABILITY OF ESSENTIAL EMERGENCY VEHICLES, SUCH AS FIRE TRUCKS AND AMBULANCES TO NAVIGATE QUICKLY AND REACH A PATIENT'S SIDE WITHOUT DELAY.

BLOCK ACCESS ISN'T JUST AN INCONVENIENCE AND CAN BE A MATTER OF LIFE FOR NEW LIFE OR DEATH FOR NEW EXISTING RESIDENTS AND FIRST RESPONDERS ALIKE.

BEYOND EMERGENCY ACCESS, THE DESIGN ALSO SEEMS TO OVERLOOK BASIC ACCESSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR THOSE WITH MOBILITY CHALLENGES.

AS THERE ISN'T INSUFFICIENT SPACE FOR ACCESSIBILITY, PARKING, OR MANEUVERING, WE HAVE SEVERAL ELDERLY AND HANDICAPPED NEIGHBORS, WHICH IS THE, WHICH WILL BE THE MOST IMPACTED ONES.

FURTHERMORE, WE MUST CONSIDER THE STRAIN OF OUR AGING IN, IN FRACK STRUCTURE.

THE EXISTING WATER AND SEWER LINES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MAY NOT BE BUILT TO HANDLE THE ADDED CAPACITY OF A TWO UNIT IN DWELLING, RAISING THE RISK OF SYSTEM FAILURES THAT WILL IMPACT EVERYONE ON THE STREET.

THE PROJECT SCALE ALSO CLASHES WITH THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, POTENTIALLY REDUCING PRIVACY AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR LONG-TERM RESIDENTS.

I URGE THE DECISION MAKERS TO PRIORITIZE SAFETY AND SUSTAINABILITY.

TRUE COMMUNITY GROWTH MEANS RESPECTING THE WELLBEING OF CURRENT AND FUTURE RESIDENTS.

I ASK THE YOUTH SERIOUSLY RECONSIDER THIS PROJECT.

AND A DEMAND THAT, A PLAN THAT ENSURES PROPER EMERGENCY ACCESS, ADEQUATE INFRA STRUCTURE, CAPACITY, AND A DESIGN THAT IS SAVED AND SENSIBLE TO ALL MEMBERS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION FOR THIS VITAL SAFETY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

UH, NEXT STEP IS MARTA ABBOTT.

SO, HELLO, UM, THEIR BUILDING.

IT SHOULD NOT BE BUILDING IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S, WE HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS ALREADY WITH THE PARKING LOT.

UH, IT'S NO ROOM FOR, FOR ONE.

YOU SEE, YOU GO AND CHECK THE HERE AND THIS IS THE PART OF THE ALLEY AND THE, AND THE CARS ALREADY PARKED.

ONE HERE, ONE THERE, ONE THERE, ONE THERE.

EVEN WHEN THE TRENCH CAN COMES THE, TO PICK HIM UP THE TRENCH OF THE APARTMENT, THEY HAVE TO MOVE MY TRENCH CANS TO MOVE IT IN THIS CORNER FOR THE TRASH, THE CAR, THE TRASH PICK UP, THE TRASH GO THROUGH, AND THEN IT'S A, A HOUSE.

WE WASN'T FIRED A, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, IT RIGHT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE CORNER IN, UM, IT WAS A MESS BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY CARS PARKED.

THE, THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, THEY HAVE TO GO ALL OVER.

THEY, WE GOT A BEAUTIFUL, UH, UM, APART.

UH, THE GUYS, THEY DID WONDERFUL JOB TO DO THAT FIRE.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

NEXT IS, UH, ALEXANDER FERNANDEZ.

GOOD EVENING MEMBERS.

UM, MY, AS YOU'VE HEARD, MY NAME IS ALEXANDER FERNANDEZ, AND, UH, YOU PROBABLY HAVE A COPY OF MY LETTER.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND I NOTARIZED IT.

AND I JUST WANNA SAY BEFORE I BEGIN, UH, SPEAKING OF FROM THIS IS THAT, UM, NO MATTER HOW IT GOES, I WILL DO MY DAMNEDEST TO TIE THIS UP INTO LITIGATION.

AND I WILL NOT STOP AT ALL.

I WILL SPEND EVERY CENT I HAVE TO STOP THIS PROJECT.

I DON'T CARE BECAUSE MY FAMILY'S HEALTH AND SAFETY IS AT RISK.

AND SO I WILL PUSH FOR MY FAMILY.

IT DOESN'T CONCERN ALMOST ANYBODY EXCEPT US BECAUSE WE'RE RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND YOU GUYS WANT TWO AND A HALF FEET SEPARATING MY PROPERTY FROM THIS PROPOSED PROPERTY.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY INSANE AND ABSURD AND AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT YOU GUYS STAND FOR IN YOUR RULES AND REGULATIONS.

SO THERE ARE MANY CAUSES OF CONCERN WHEN IT COMES TO EVEN, UH, UH, THE THOUGHT OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS EASEMENT PARCEL OF, UH, 2,400 SQUARE FEET.

THE POTENTIAL OF FIRE HAZARDS IS A CONCERN.

TODAY'S FIRES CODES HAVE CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE THE, SINCE THE 1940S.

AND THE VARIANCE BEING PRESENTED IN IN PAST WOULD JEOPARDIZE, UH, HEALTH AND SAFETY ALONG, UH, UH, WITH THAT OF ME AND MY WIFE AND MY OTHER NEIGHBORS.

TWO AND A HALF FEET BETWEEN MY PROPERTY AND THE POTENTIAL, UH, PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS A MASSIVE RISK AND SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO FURTHER CONSIDERATION.

THE POTENTIAL OF LEGAL AND STRUCTURAL ISSUES ALSO WEIGHS IN SIGNIFICANTLY STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY COMES TO MIND WHEN EXCAVATORS AND OTHER HEAVY EQUIPMENT ARE BEING USED TO OPERATE.

AND HOW WILL IT AFFECT, UH, UH, THE STRUCTURAL FOUNDATION OF MY HOME OR THE APARTMENT NEXT DOOR THAT GIVES ME GRAVE CONCERN? UTILITY DISRUPTION IS ALSO A MASSIVE RISK WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING A PROPERTY THAT WILL ENCROACH ON MY WATER AND GAS LINES THAT MAY CAUSE A RISK FOR DISRUPTION.

DAMAGES TO GAS LINES CAN CAUSE POTENTIAL ASTHMA FLAREUPS OR WORSE, UH, CASE SCENARIO.

UH, THAT WOULD BE DEVASTATING.

I'M AN ASTHMATIC.

I, I I SUFFER A LOT.

I'M A CHRONIC ASTHMA ASTHMATIC.

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AND, UH, I JUST WANNA LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I WILL, LIKE I SAID, I'LL DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO TIE THIS UP INTO LITIGATION.

I DON'T CARE.

I'LL DO MY DARN DARNEST BECAUSE I'M GONNA PROTECT MY FAMILY AND MY HEALTH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MR. FERNANDEZ.

I REQUEST THE SECRETARY PROCEED WITH DISCLOSING IF ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED IN WRITING THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION HAS YET TO SEE.

NO.

UM, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED WERE ALREADY SENT OUT AND POSTED ONLINE.

THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY.

WOULD STAFF LIKE TO MAKE FURTHER COMMENTS? UH, NO COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

UH, DOES THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, UH, WISH TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YES, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT, UM, FERNANDEZ RIGHT TOWARDS THE NAME.

UM, HE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AN EMAIL TRYING TO BUY THE PROPERTY SO HE COULD DEVELOP IT, UH, EXTEND HIS HOUSE TO THE, TO THE LOT MM-HMM .

AND HIS OWN HOUSE IS ALREADY PRETTY CLOSE TO THE, TO THE, TO THE, UH, TO THE PROPERTY LINES.

AND THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT, LIKE ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY ALL VERY CLOSE THE PROPER LINES, INCLUDING THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT AND THE ON THE LEFT AND ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS HIS HOUSE.

SO, UH, I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT, THAT HE ACTUALLY WANT TRIED TO BUY THE LOT TO DEVELOP SO HE COULD HAVE HIS FAMILY ALL THERE.

SO IT'S NOT THAT HE DOESN'T WANNA DEVELOP HIM THERE, HE WANT TO DEVELOP ME HIMSELF.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UM, AND I WOULD MENTION ALSO, UH, THE ISSUE OF BI BUSINESS LICENSES CAME UP.

THAT IS AN ISSUE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.

AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT UP WITH STAFF.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS MORE MINISTERIAL IN NATURE.

AND SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK TO STAFF ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.

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WOULD STAFF, UH, OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

UH, DO ANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE COMMENTS? UH, COMMISSIONER MENTO.

OH, I'M SORRY.

COMMISSIONER ES.

THAT'S OKAY.

AND THEN ME AND THEN YOU.

YES, I I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE, UM, THE APPLICANTS.

IS THIS GONNA BE A RENTAL OR ARE IS, ARE YOU GONNA LIVE THERE? YES.

COULD YOU COME TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? THE PROPERTY OWNER'S PLANNING TO SELL IT.

BUILD AND SELL.

SO YOU'RE GONNA BUILD IT AND THEN SELL IT? YEAH.

OKAY.

YEAH, IT'S A INVESTMENT.

UM, SO HE'S GONNA BUILD THE HOUSE IN FAMILY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO.

COMMISSIONER ARMA, UH, STAFF, IF WE CAN PUT THE PICTURE BACK UP THERE OF THE, THE LAND WITH THE PROPERTY LINES AND THAT ONE, THE SITE PLAN.

SO I WENT THERE YESTERDAY AND, UM, LOOKING AT THE A DU DIAGRAM THERE SHOWS THAT THERE'S, IS THE WALL OF THE A DU GOING TO BE TOUCHING THE FENCE? I MEAN, IT'S, THERE'S NO SPACE BACK THERE.

SO, UH, IF PLUMBERS, ELECTRICIANS, ANYBODY GOING TO DO WORK ON THERE, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO WALK AROUND BECAUSE THERE IS A, A FENCE BACK THERE WITH A HOME ON THE OTHER SIDE? UM, THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.

UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADD MORE INFORMATION.

UM, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE, LIKE A ZERO FOOT PROPERTY LINE DEVELOPMENT, BUILDING CODES, RESTRICT OPENINGS, UM, SO GENERALLY THERE'S NO WINDOWS.

THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO BE MAINTAINED ON THOSE PARTICULAR WALLS.

UM, WE DID HAVE A SLIGHT VARIATION IN THE DESIGN ORIGINALLY IT WAS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

NOW IT'S SET BACK, I THINK IT'S SIX INCHES, UM, TO ALLOW A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM.

BUT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE THAT DOES, UM, PRESENT PROBLEMS IF THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE A GAS LINE THERE OF THAT NATURE.

SO THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO, UH, DISCUSS THE DESIGN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THOSE CONCERNS.

OKAY.

UM, THEN THAT GOES ON TO MY NEXT QUESTION.

THAT CORONER RIGHT THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THERE'S AN ELECTRICAL POLE.

SO IS THAT SIDE OF THE WALL GOING TO BE TOUCHING THE POLE AS WELL? I MEAN, I, I SEE NO, NO SPACE IN THERE.

AND THE POLL BELONGS TO THE CITY OR SDG AND E.

AND HOW ARE THEY GOING TO ACCESS THAT? BECAUSE THERE'S PROPERTY LINES ALL OVER.

SO, UH, I WAS CONFUSED WITH THAT.

SO IT WAS PRESENTED THAT THERE WAS AN SDG E EASEMENT, UM, ON THE PROPERTY.

UM, AND THEN THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN A LETTER FROM S DG E SAYING THAT THAT EASEMENT WAS BASICALLY NO LONGER REQUIRED.

UM, SO I BELIEVE THAT POLE IS COMING DOWN.

OKAY.

SO WHATEVER'S CONNECTED TO IT IS ALL GONNA BE REROUTED IF, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, I, I DON'T BELIEVE IT CONNECTS TO ANYTHING AT THIS TIME.

MM, OKAY.

'CAUSE I WAS THERE YESTERDAY AND THERE'S A LOT OF LINES GOING, YOU KNOW, IN AND WELL CONNECTED TO IT.

SO WE, WE DO HAVE A LETTER FROM SEG AND STATING, UH, THEY'RE NOT OPPOSED TO ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THIS LOT.

UM, SO THERE MAY BE A PLAN TO UNDERGROUND IT OR THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT ROUTE THEY CAN USE TO PROVIDE ANYTHING STILL IN SERVICE.

OKAY.

UM, ALSO YOU SAID THERE WAS GONNA BE NO PARKING, RIGHT? SO THAT'S NOT A DRIVEWAY, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A WALKWAY AT THE, IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

UM, CORRECT.

AND, UH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T ALLOW PARKING WITHIN THE FIRST 20 FEET WITHIN THE SETBACK AREA.

SO THERE WOULDN'T EVEN BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ESTABLISH PARKING AT A LATER DATE EITHER.

UH, SO YESTERDAY WHEN I WAS ALSO WALKING AROUND THE PROPERTY AND TALKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS, UH, ON LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, UH, THERE IS A REALLY OLD APARTMENT BUILDING.

I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN IT WHERE THE, UH, WINDOWS ARE THE OLD SCHOOL, JUST A PIECE OF GLASS IN THE WOOD.

IT'S NOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN THERE, OR IT JUST FEELS LIKE ANY TREMOR IN THE LAND'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BREAK THE WINDOWS OR BREAK THE, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE BUILDING FALL.

UM, I DID SPEAK TO QUITE A HANDFUL OF NEIGHBORS AND I, THEY, I KNOW THEY TOLD ME THEY WANTED TO BE HERE AND THEY COULDN'T BE HERE BECAUSE OF, UM, THEIR, THEIR AGE AND THEY HAVE A HEALTH ISSUE.

SO, UH, THEY WERE CONCERNED

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THERE'S SOME KIDS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, SO JUST ALONE, JUST ME BEING THERE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, I HAD TO PARK THREE BLOCKS AWAY TO GO TO THAT PROPERTY.

AND HOW ARE THE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS GOING TO BE GOING IN AND OUT? SO JUST, UH, I GUESS IF YOU GUYS CAN EXPLAIN THE WHOLE, UH, BUILDING PROCESS, UH, IF I MAY, THROUGH THE CHAIR.

MARTIN REEDER, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS APPROVED, THEN OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULD GO THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, ANY FORM OF ENGINEERING PERMITS REQUIRED TO, FOR UTILITIES OR GRADING.

THERE ARE SPECIFIC OPERATING PROCEDURES FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IF THERE'S ANY GRADING, WHICH I DON'T THINK THIS IS, YOU SEE THE GRADING, PROBABLY NOT.

THEY NEED A GRADING PERMIT, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T NEED TO DO ANY GRADING.

YEAH, THERE IS A GRADING PERMIT REQUIREMENT WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T NEED TO DO ANY GRADING.

THEY WOULD BE THE REQUIREMENT TO CONTROL DUST AND ANYTHING ELSE, UH, TO AVOID IMPACTS TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES DURING CONSTRUCTION.

UH, AS FAR AS PARKING IS CONCERNED, WE DO HAVE, UH, ASSEMBLY BILL AB 2097, WHICH DOES NOT REQUIRE PARKING WITHIN HALF A MILE OF A HIGH QUALITY TRANSIT CORRIDOR, WHICH THIS AREA DOES QUALIFY FOR.

SO PARKING IS NOT TECHNICALLY REQUIRED BY THE STATE, SO THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN TAKE, WE CAN'T TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT IN THIS CASE, ALTHOUGH OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A PARKING ISSUE IN THE CITY.

UM, BUT WITH REGARD TO UTILITIES, OBVIOUSLY WITH ANY BUILDING PERMITS OR ENGINEERING PLANS, WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A UTILITY PLAN AND THAT HAS TO MEET CODE.

SO ACCESS TO THAT, THOSE UTILITIES POST-CONSTRUCTION WOULD NEED TO BE MAINTAINED.

UH, AND AS FAR AS THE QUALITY OF HOUSING NEARBY, I, I FAIL TO SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE.

HOW THAT'S REALLY, UH, UH, AN ISSUE THAT CAN BE HELD AGAINST THIS PROJECT, PER SE.

IF IT WAS A 50 SQUARE FOOT, OR EXCUSE ME, 50 FOOT WIDE LOT, IT WOULD BE DEVELOPED WITHOUT ANY VARIANCES.

IT WOULD BE DEVELOPED WITH A PERMIT, WITHOUT ANY NEED TO COME TO PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO IT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT THE RIGHT THINGS HERE.

NO, NO.

AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S JUST THE, THE OLD BUILDING.

UM, I, AND I'M JUST SAYING I HAVE A OLD HOME, UM, AND I KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME CONSTRUCTION GOING OUT WITH MY NEIGHBOR AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I JUST GET ALL THIS DUST AND, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO THAT WAS ONE THING.

UH, I DID NOTICE ON THE FRONT PART OF THE PROPERTY, UH, FRONT LEFT HAND SIDE, THERE'S THIS HUGE, HUGE TREE TRUNK THERE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW DEEP IT GOES IF IT'S GONNA AFFECT ANY LINES UNDER THE GROUND.

DID YOU GUYS LOOK AT THAT, THAT WOULD GENERALLY BE, UH, ADDRESSED DURING CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE UTILITIES? UH, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE INSPECTIONS AT EVERY STAGE OF THAT, UH, INSTALLATION.

SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR, I THINK THE, IF THERE'S UTILITIES, ENGINEERING WILL REQUIRE, UH, DISTANCE FROM, UH, TREES OR FENCES OR FOUNDATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE.

OKAY.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER GOGI, I ALSO WENT OVER THERE AND I KNOW NOTICED THE NEIGHBORS HOUSES ARE ESTIMATED IN MY 0.4 FEET, WHICH WAS USED TO BE WHAT THE LINE WAS.

NOW IT'S FIVE FEET AND WE'RE BEING REQUESTED TO MAKE DOWN TO TWO AND A HALF FEET.

AS A HOMEOWNER MYSELF, THAT'S A TOUGH DECISION TO MAKE FOR ANYBODY, TWO AND A HALF FEET, BECAUSE HONESTLY I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME SQUEEZING THROUGH THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD PLAN TO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THAT KNOWING.

'CAUSE IF IT HAPPENED TO ME WITH MY NEIGHBORS OF THE DAY, THEY HAD TO BE, UM, TAKEN OUT BY THE AMBULANCE IN ONE OF THOSE BED THINGS, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD FIT IT IN A TWO AND A HALF FEET.

THERE HAS TO BE PARAMETERS THAT IS SAFE FOR ALL NEIGHBORS, THE ONES WHO ARE BUILDING, AND THE PEOPLE WHO WILL PRO PROBABLY BUY THAT HOME AND ALSO THE NEIGHBORS.

SO WHEN THE PER THE LAND WAS PURCHASED, WAS THAT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD ON IT AND NOT FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES OF THE CITY? THAT'S MY QUESTION.

YEAH, YOU CAN RESPOND.

I JUST NEED TO CORRECT THIS.

YOU'RE PROPOSING

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OH, I THOUGHT I READ EVERYTHING THAT SAYS TWO AND A HALF.

IT'S FOUR.

YES.

AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS, INCLUDING HIS HOUSE, IT'S LESS THAN, THAN FOUR FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINES ON ONE SIDE.

OKAY, GOOD.

IF YOU, IF YOU PUT ON THE MAP WHAT SHOWS THE GOOGLE VIEW, YOU MEAN THE AERIAL? YEAH, THE AERIAL.

YOU CAN SEE IT, YES.

SO HOLD IT.

THERE ARE THOSE PERMANENT SECTIONS ON THE SIDE.

DO YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THAT? UM, WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING ME THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE FOUR, FOUR FEET, ARE THEY PERMANENT STRUCTURES OR ARE THEY, BECAUSE OKAY.

I'M NOT SURE.

LIKE MOST OF THE, WELL, DOESN'T HAVE FOUR FEET.

ALL RIGHT.

BECAUSE I SAW THE APARTMENTS, I THOUGHT, I MEAN, I'M A ENGINEER, SO I CAN'T THINK EXACTLY, BUT IT LOOKED TO ME AROUND FOUR FEET.

OKAY.

UM, IF WE MAY, SO ON THE EAST SIDE TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS PICTURE, THAT WOULD BE A FOUR FOOT SETBACK FROM THE WALL.

IT WOULD, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A PROJECTION OF THE ROOF THAT GOES FURTHER INTO THAT SETBACK, WHICH IS, WHICH COUNTS AS FAR AS THE REQUEST.

SO ON THAT EAST SIDE, THAT WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE INTO THE A DU.

AND I THINK A SIDEWALK MINIMUM, A DA SIDEWALK IS THREE AND A HALF.

UH, I'M SORRY, THREE FEET, 36 INCHES.

SO THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THAT.

IT WOULD BE TWO AND A HALF FEET ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ACCESS ON THAT SIDE.

AND OF COURSE, THE MAIN HOUSE WOULD BE ACCESSED, ACCESSED STRAIGHT FROM THE SIDEWALK.

SO JUST TALKING ABOUT ACCESS THERE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

COULD WE GO TO, OKAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NOT RIGHT NOW.

OKAY.

I, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

COULD WE GO TO THE, UH, DO YOU HAVE THE ELEVATIONS? YES.

BECAUSE THE ELEVATIONS, IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, LET ME PUT MY GLASSES ON HERE.

HAVE THE ENTRANCE TO THE A DU ON THE WEST SIDE.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YOU HAVE THE, THE, UH, EAST, WEST ELEVATIONS.

YEAH.

SO THAT'S THE ENTRANCE.

SO THEY WOULD BE GOING DOWN THAT TWO AND A HALF FOOT SIDE ON, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO, TO ACCESS THE A DU THREE FEET.

CORRECT.

IT'D BE THREE FEET.

IT'S A THREE FOOT, THREE FOOT SETBACK, THREE FOOT SETBACK, SIX INCH OVERHANG ON THE EVE.

SO, WHICH IS GONNA BE ABOUT THAT MUCH.

YEAH, THAT'S OKAY.

UM, THAT'S JUST A QUESTION, IF YOU WILL.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

UM, MY QUESTION OF, UH, STAFF OR THE APPLICANT IS, UM, WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO PUT A TWO STORY BUILDING HERE? UM, BECAUSE YOU COULD GO WITH TWO STORIES.

YOU COULD PROBABLY GET MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND AT LEAST FOUR FOOT SETBACK ON EITHER SIDE.

UH, POSSIBLY.

AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THIS 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T PLAYED WITH IT THAT MUCH.

EVEN A TWO CAR GARAGE COMING OFF OF THE STREET.

UM, WAS THAT A CONSIDERATION BY THE DESIGNER FOR THIS? AND, UH, IF IT WAS, WHY WAS IT REJECTED? PLEASE, IF YOU COULD, THANK YOU, MS. GOMEZ.

UH, YES, WE ARE, WE ACTUALLY CONSIDERED TO DO TWO STORIES BEFORE.

OKAY.

AND WE THOUGHT WOULD BE BETTER.

SO MUGGLE TOO HIGH.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP LIKE THE, THE LINE OF THE ROOF NOT LOOKING TO THE NEIGHBORS AND KEEP MM-HMM .

LIKE THE SAME RLE THERE.

BUT YES, WE DID CONSIDER AND WE STILL CONSIDERING IF, IF NEEDS YOU, IF IF IT'S BETTER OR, YEAH, BECAUSE THE REASON I ASK IS I ALMOST THINK IF YOU WENT TO TWO STORIES AND, AND A QUESTION, QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF.

CAN THIS ZONE GO UP TO THREE STORIES? THE RS TWO ZONE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS ARE 35 FEET AND TWO STORIES.

SO YOU CAN'T OKAY.

TWO STORIES.

UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, WITH TWO STORIES, YOU COULD ALMOST EVEN MAKE, YOU COULD ALMOST MAKE THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK, IN WHICH CASE, THE SIDE, THOSE SIDE SETBACKS, THE VARIANCE FOR THAT WOULD, YOU WOULDN'T NEED THAT.

YOU WOULD STILL NEED SOMETHING FOR MAYBE THE FRONT AND FOR THE A DU AND THE REAR.

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MEAN THERE ARE OTHER DESIGN REQUIREMENTS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, AND WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THIS COMPLETELY YET, BUT A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR A HABITABLE ROOM, FOR EXAMPLE, IS 70 SQUARE FEET.

SO, YOU KNOW, SEVEN BY 10 FEET, WHICH WOULD TAKE UP A FAIR AMOUNT.

PLUS YOU WOULD NEED AT LEAST 36 INCHES CLEAR.

MM-HMM .

JUST FOR THE STAIRWELL TO GO UP.

SO OF COURSE THAT ALL EATS INTO, INTO THE, THE SPACE, THE INTERIOR SPACE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A COMFORTABLE, A COMFORTABLE UNIT, I SUPPOSE.

BUT THAT IS OF COURSE POSSIBLE.

BUT THAT WOULD INCREASE CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND AFFECT THE AFFORDABILITY MOST LIKELY.

MM-HMM .

AND, AND THAT COULD BE DONE, ESPECIALLY IF THE A DU WERE ELIMINATED FROM THE PROJECT, AND IN WHICH CASE THE SIDE YARD VARIANCES PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY.

AND YOU COULD HAVE A MUCH SMALLER ENCROACHMENT INTO THE FRONT AND REAR YARD SETBACKS.

JUST, JUST A QUESTION AGAIN.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

WELL, YEAH, IT COULD MAKE IT VERY SMALL, BUT OF COURSE ONCE YOU GET TO A CERTAIN POINT, THEN IT THEN DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T PENCIL OUT.

MM-HMM .

AND OF COURSE THAT'S A, THAT'S FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT TO DEAL WITH.

BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE INFILL DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE CAN, WHERE IT'S FEASIBLE AND WHERE IT'S SENSIBLE AND UH, RIGHT.

AFFORDABILITY IS KEY.

SO I, I GUESS MY POINT IN SAYING THAT IS THAT IF THAT IS FEASIBLE, UM, IS A VARIANCE NECESSARY IF, IF WE, WITH REDESIGN THE APPLICANT CAN MEET THE SETBACKS IS A VARIANCE NECESSARY.

AND JUST FOR THOSE IN OPPOSITION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AND EVERY CITY IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE COUNTY HAS TO STRIKE A BALANCE BETWEEN THE RIGHTS OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY.

THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT, BUT THE COMMUNITY HAS RIGHTS TO COME FORWARD AND EXPRESS ITSELF, EITHER IN FAVOR OF OR OPPOSITION TO A PROJECT.

UH, THAT IS PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, IS TO, TO, UM, BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND, UM, THE FULL SCOPE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON.

BUT THERE ARE RIGHTS AT STAKE HERE AS WELL.

UM, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO SIFT OUT, UH, WHAT IS THE BEST BALANCE IN, IN ALL OF THIS SO THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN MAKE A GOOD AND WISE DECISION.

UM, COULD STAFF MAKE A CLARIFICATION? YES.

SO, UM, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DEVELOP WITHOUT A VARIANCE DUE TO THE LOT SIZE OF STREET FRONTAGE.

THOSE ARE OKAY.

TWO REQUIRED VARIANCES.

SO THEY, THEY WOULD BE COMING HERE EITHER WAY.

UM, AND THEN STATE LAW FOR ADUS DOES HAVE SOME SPECIAL PRIVILEGES.

UM, SO YOU CAN ENCROACH INTO SETBACK AREAS IF THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO BUILD A OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

SO YOU COULD EVEN BUILD AN A U IN A FRONT YARD SETBACK IF IT'S NECESSARY.

UM, AND THEN THE LAST POINT I WOULD PROBABLY MAKE IS, UH, WE HAVE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY INFILL DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, WHICH STATE THAT, UM, IF YOU HAVE LARGE BLANK WALLS OVER TWO STORIES, YOU SHOULD HAVE WALL PLAYING VARIATION MATERIAL CHANGES, WHICH ON THIS PROPERTY, ON SUCH A SKINNY LOT, IF THEY WERE TO REDUCE SETBACKS, THAT REDUCES THEIR ABILITY TO HAVE THOSE CHANGES OR VARIATION IN THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, OKAY.

UH, YES, COMMISSIONER GOGI, WHEN YOU STARTED YOUR, UM, RESPONSE RIGHT NOW, AND I DIDN'T GET THE BEGINNING, YOU SAID IF WE DIDN'T DO THE VARIANCE, THEY CAN'T BUILD.

DID THAT, DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY? UM, I STARTED WITH THE, UM, STREET FRONTAGE AND THE LOT SIZE.

SO THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 5,000 SQUARE FEET.

THE MINIMUM STREET FRONTAGE IS 50 FEET.

THIS LOT HAS NEITHER, UH, ATTRIBUTE.

UM, SO THIS LOT IS UNBUILDABLE WITHOUT THE REQUEST OF OWN VARIANCE.

OKAY.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY.

HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? THIS WOULD BE SIMPLY TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER QUINONE

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COMMISSIONER QUINONES HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FIRST ON THE MOTION.

NO PROBLEM.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU.

UM, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE WILL NOW VOTE ON CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

OKAY.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE VOTE MOTION APPROVE THE COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

UH, HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION THAT WOULD LIKE TO BRING A MOTION TO ADOPT EITHER THE RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL OR THE RESOLUTION OF DENIAL OR IF IT PLEASES THE COMMISSION TO CONTINUE THE, UM, ITEM FOR AN A FUTURE MEETING? WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS.

SO WE CAN APPROVE IT WITH CONDITIONS, WE CAN DENY IT BASED ON THE FINDINGS, OR WE CAN CONTINUE IT FOR, UM, STAFF AND, UH, THE APPLICANT AND THE COMMUNITY TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER.