* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ALL SILENCE ALL [00:00:01] OF OUR CELL PHONES. ANY OTHER DEVICES HERE IN THE CHAMBER WITH THAT CALL? [1. CALL TO ORDER] THE MEETING TO ORDER, UH, A LIVE WEBCAST OF THE MEETING MAY BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IF YOU'RE WATCHING VIA, UH, ZOOM. LET'S SEE THAT ONE WE'VE ALREADY DONE. UH, THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY'S WEBSITE INFORMS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS, EITHER IN PERSON, IN THE, UH, COUNCIL CHAMBER BY SUBMITTING ONE OF THESE SALMON COLORED SLIPS, AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE AT THE BACK AND GET THOSE OVER IMMEDIATELY TO OUR, UH, CLERK'S DESK VIA ZOOM BY PRE-REGISTERING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, NO LATER THAN TWO HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING, AND BY EMAILING NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING. AND ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY WEBSITE IF RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE. WITH THAT, CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA PRESENT, VICE MAYOR BUSH. HERE. MAYOR MORRISON. UH, PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. CAN WE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEASURE OF ALLEGIANCE? REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION, AND, UH, REMEMBER YOUR MONEY. THERE YOU GO, PLEASE. I JUST WANNA SEE YOU LOOK UP. PLEASE STAND. YOU CAN READY, BEGIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS NATION UNDER GOD IN WOULD LIBERTY GIVE AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HE IS ALBERT IN HERE, OR IS HE RIGHT THERE? YES, PLEASE. COME FORWARD. HAVE TO GO OVER TO THAT ONE IN A MINUTE. . UH, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ALBERT MANDEVILLE. I REPRESENT THE NATIONAL CITY CLERGY ASSOCIATION. IS THE TRANSLATOR GONNA TRANSLATE THE PRAYER? UH, THEY DO TH THOSE THAT HAVE HEADSETS OR WHATEVER. YEAH. WE ALSO SLOWLY THEN, IF EVERYBODY WOULD JUST BOW YOUR HEARTS WITH ME. GRACIOUS AND ALMIGHTY GOD, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS DAY WITH THANKFUL HEARTS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. GRACIOUS WISDOM TO MAKE FAIR AND THOUGHTFUL DECISIONS, UNDERSTANDING TO LISTEN WITH RESPECT AND COMPASSION, AND COURAGE TO ACT WITH INTEGRITY AND JUSTICE. BLESS THE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL, OUR CITY STAFF, AND ALL WHO CALL THIS COMMUNITY HOME ME. OUR EFFORTS TODAY STRENGTHEN UNITY, PROMOTE PEACE, AND SEEK THE COMMON GOOD. GUIDE OUR WORDS AND ACTIONS SO THAT THEY REFLECT HONESTY, COOPERATION, AND CARE FOR ALL. AMEN. NEXT, WE'RE [5. PUBLIC COMMENT] GOING TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL DO THOSE IN THE, UH, AUDIENCE FIRST, AND THEN WE WILL TAKE THE THOSE ON ZOOM. UM, AND WE WILL BE GOING WITH, UH, TWO MINUTES, UH, EACH PERSON. FIRST WE HAVE, UH, SUSAN MEYER TO BE, UH, FOLLOWED BY LAWRENCE EMERSON TO BE FOLLOWED BY ARNETTE CHRISTIAN. LIAM, I BELIEVE THAT'S . YES. YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS FOR, UH, GENERAL COMMENTS, AND PLEASE, WHEN YOU COME UP TO MICROPHONE, IF YOU WOULD GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR PLACE OF RESIDENCE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS SUSAN MEYER, AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO FORMALLY EXPRESS MY INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY SERVICES POSITION HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. FOR SEVERAL YEARS, I FOCUSED MY EFFORTS AS A NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH AND DISTRICT THREE, WORKING PROACTIVELY TO ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY. I COLLABORATED WITH THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY AND CALTRAN TO PROMPTLY ADDRESS CRITICAL SAFETY AND SANITATION ISSUES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING ILLEGAL DUMPING, GRAFFITI ABATEMENT, AND BROADER PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS. I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT MAINTAINING A SAFE AND WELL KEPT ENVIRONMENT IS ESSENTIAL FOR COMMUNITY WELLBEING, AND I TOOK PRIDE IN BEING A CONSISTENT ADVOCATE FOR TIMELY EFFECTIVE SOLUTIONS. AT ONE POINT, I APPLIED TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A WAY TO DEEPEN MY INVOLVEMENT AND CONTINUE CONTRIBUTING TO THE CITY'S FUTURE. HOWEVER, [00:05:01] DURING THAT TIME, SAFETY CONCERNS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD CONTINUED TO ESCALATE. WE MADE THE DIFFICULT DECISION TO RELOCATE BECAUSE OF GROWING INSECURITY, BUT I NEVER LEFT IN SPIRIT. MY WORK IN NATIONAL CITY IS NOT FINISHED, AND THAT'S WHY I'M READY TO STEP FORWARD AS YOUR NEW AND NEXT COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR. AS COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR, I WILL MEET CONSTITUENTS WHERE THEY ARE, WHETHER IT'S ON THEIR FRONT PORCH, AT A COMMUNITY CENTER, OR AT A, DURING A LOCAL EVENT. I BELIEVE IN BEING ACCESSIBLE, PRESENT, AND RESPONSIVE. I WILL COLLABORATE EFFECTIVELY WITH EVERY DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBER AND CONNECT DIRECTLY WITH CONSTITUENTS, MAKING SURE NO VOICE IS OVERLOOKED. I AM DEEPLY COMMITTED TO SERVING NATIONAL CITY WITH INTEGRITY, DEDICATION, AND A PROFOUND UNDERSTANDING OF ITS COMMUNITY. AND I AM CONFIDENT THAT MY COLLABORATIVE APPROACH AND PASSION FOR PUBLIC SERVICE HERE IN NATIONAL CITY WILL ENABLE ME TO BE AN EFFECTIVE AND IMPACTFUL COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR. AND TOGETHER WE CAN BUILD SAFER, STRONGER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE EVERY RESIDENT'S VOICE IS HEARD AND VALUED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE FUTURE OF NATIONAL CITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LAUREN EMERSON TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, AR CHRISTIAN LIM, UH, AND THEN, UH, MALIKA, UH, KEL, UH, POLANCO. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. UH, MY NAME IS LAWRENCE EMERSON. I LONG, I'M A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF NATIONAL CITY. I'M ALSO A COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THE SAN DIEGO COMMUNITY POWER, UH, ORGANIZATION. AND LAST YEAR THEY HAD A PILOT PROGRAM THAT WAS WENT GANGBUSTERS WITH SOLAR AND ENERGY STORAGE. IN FACT, IT WAS SO SUCCESSFUL. ALL OF THE OTHER COMMUNITY CHOICE ENERGY COMPANIES IN CALIFORNIA WERE ASKING, HOW DID YOU DO THAT? SO THIS YEAR IS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT PILOT PROGRAM, AND I HAVE PROVIDED ONE OF THESE, UH, TO THE DE DEPUTY CITY CLERK TO MAKE COPIES FOR ALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT WAS A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, HOWEVER, NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS DIDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE WORD GETS OUT TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. IT'S CALLED SOLAR BATTERY SAVINGS, AND THERE'S INCENTIVE PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE TO PUT SOLAR AND ENERGY STORAGE. IT'S A PARTNERSHIP. SO WHEN YOU GET AND MAKE ENERGY FROM THE SOLAR AND PUT IT IN THE BATTERIES, YOU PROVIDE 50 UP TO 50% OF THAT BACK INTO THE GRID DURING THE PEAK TIME. SO EVERYBODY, IT'S A WIN-WIN SITUATION. SO I'LL PROBABLY COME BACK AND TALK IN MORE DETAILS TO NOW. YOU'RE VERY BUSY, BUT THIS IS JUST A HEADS UP AND SHE HAS A COPY TO PROVIDE FOR EVERYBODY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. EXCUSE ME, MR. MAYOR. HUH? CAN WE CONFIRM THAT THE ROOM NEXT DOOR IS OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC? I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS AT THIS STAGE. WHY YOU AND I ALREADY HAD THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE. THE CITY MANAGER. CAN YOU SPEAK ON THIS? BECAUSE I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION, JOSE, WITH THE, OR, UH, WITH THE CITY MANAGER. SO CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU COMMENT ON THIS? ON THE, ON THE ROOM BEING OPEN AND ISSUE. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT. WE'VE SET UP SOME ADDITIONAL COMBINATIONS OUT IN THE LOBBY, AND IF THAT ROOM GETS PACKED, IT'S HARDER TO GET MORE PEOPLE OUT IN THE EVENT. THERE'S, THERE'S AN EMERGENCY AND IT'S ALSO VERY NOISY. UM, THERE'S A LOT TO DISCUSS TONIGHT. THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT. THE DECISION WAS MADE TO KEEP THAT ROOM CLOSED. AGAIN, WE HAVE EXTRA SPACE IN THE LOBBY TONIGHT, THE WAY WE SET IT UP. UM, SO THAT'S THE DECISION AT, AT THIS TIME, IS TO KEEP THE, KEEP THE, UH, LARGE ROOM CLOSED. THANK YOU. I VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE WITH THAT. IT, I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE THAT IN ANY SINGLE MEETING CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE. I THINK IT ACCOMMODATES PEOPLE INSTEAD OF BEING IN THE HALLWAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE, UH, , BECAUSE FOR ME, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION, I'M FINE WITH THAT. SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION. LET'S GO WITH OUR SPEAKERS NOW. IT'S THEIR TURN. NOT, NOT THE COUNCILS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. HELLO. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. UH, NATIONAL CITY. GOOD EVENING TO THE CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS AR LIM AND I'M A DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CHULA VISTA, OFFICE OF STATE SENATOR STEVE PADILLA. MM-HMM . I ALSO COVERED THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY FOR THE OFFICE. WELL, I'M JUST HERE TO SHARE SOME EXCITING DETAILS ABOUT, UM, AN UPCOMING EVENT HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. SENATOR PADILLAS HOSTING A NATIONAL CITY COFFEE CHAT, COFFEE AND CHAT ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 18TH FROM 9:00 AM TO 11:00 AM AT THE FRIENDS OF FRIENDS CAFE. THIS WILL BE AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, FOR OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND FOR CITY COUNCIL TO MEET WITH SENATOR PADILLA, ASKING QUESTIONS, DISCUSS, UM, LOCAL ISSUES IN AN INFORMAL SETTING. SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING THIS EVENT, PLEASE RSPP, UH, THROUGH OFFICE'S REGISTRATION LINK. I HAVE A FEW FLYERS IN SOME OF MY CARDS. I THINK I'M JUST GONNA BE LEAVING IT SOMEWHERE [00:10:01] HERE. THAT'D BE GREAT. UM, AND WE HAVE A QR CODE AS WELL FOR, UM, EASIER REGISTRATION. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, OR IF NEED FURTHER INFORMATION, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTACT OUR OFFICE, UH, THROUGH HIS WEBSITE OR CALLING US AT 6 1 9 4 0 9 7 6 9 0. THANK YOU. AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE. AND YOU SAID IT WAS THE 18TH? 18TH, YES. OKAY. FROM NINE TO 11. MM-HMM . THANK. YEP. OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE, UH, UH, MIKA BLANCO, FOLLOWED BY LUISA MCCARTHY TO BE FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL GEARY. GOOD AFTERNOON. AGAIN. OVER THE LAST YEAR, MARTIN REEDER AND OTHERS HAVE MIS BEEN MISREPRESENTING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE PUBLIC, THE HEALTH PUBLIC NUISANCE PROJECT, THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS VESTED INTEREST IN THE LAND USED DESIGNATION. SO FOR ABOUT A YEAR, UH, YOU'VE BEEN SAYING THAT THE PROPERTY HAS VESTED RIGHTS, UH, IN THAT PROPERTY AS THE NEW ZONING MX D TWO, THE WE HAVE PROVIDED, UH, TO YOUR ARMY OF ATTORNEYS, RON AND BARRY, THE, UH, UH, A CASE, THE LACOSTA CASE, WHICH RULED THAT NO PROPERTY OWNER HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN THE LAND ZONING USED DESIGNATION. ONLY WHEN THERE IS A COMPLETE TAKING IMMINENT DOMAIN, IS IT CONSIDERED A TAKING. AND IN THIS CASE, IT IS NOT A TAKING BECAUSE THE PROPERTY CAN STILL BE USED AS RESIDENTIAL. UM, THIS WAS A HUGE MISTAKE, AND MOST OF YOU KNOW IT, UH, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THE, UH, PROJECT WAS ALLOWED TO EXPIRE BECAUSE THE BRICO AND THE DEVELOPERS THOUGHT THAT THEY HAD THE SUPPORT FROM THE CITY. ON DECEMBER 5TH, THERE WAS A TEXT FROM THE DEVELOPER THAT SAID, WE ALLOWED IT TO EXPIRE BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE, OUR PROPOSED PROJECT WAS GOING TO REPLACE IT BECAUSE WE PUT SO MUCH WORK AND HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE CITY WHO WAS THE CITY, THE MAYOR, AND HIS ASSISTANT. SO WE ARE ASKING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND RETURN THESE, UH, FIVE PROPERTIES BACK TO ITS UNDERLYING ZONING. AND YOU DO HAVE THE POWER AND YOU DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO. THERE IS NO TAKING. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT AS POLICY MAKERS. AND WE HAVE, UM, LET, UH, MR. FOLEY ATTORNEY FOLEY, UH, WE PROVIDED THAT, UH, TO HIM, SO HE KNOWS. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, LOUISA MCCARTHY, FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL GEARY, FOLLOWED BY ALEXANDER GUT. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. HERE WE FILED A NEW LAWSUIT DOCUMENTING DIRTY TRICKS FROM MAYOR RON MORRISON AND HIS ASSISTANT. THIS IS LAWSUIT NUMBER FIVE. WE'VE MADE SURE THAT WE'VE MADE IT PUBLIC FOR YOU TO ALL READ HIS DIRTY DEEDS FROM MAYOR AND HIS ASSISTANT. I REPEAT, HE HAS BEEN CLEARLY RETALIATING AGAINST US FOR EXERCISING OUR RIGHTS UNDER THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT, OPEN MEETING LAW AND CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION. THE DIRTY TRICK IS THE FILING OF A FALSE CLAIM ON BEHALF OF HIS ASSISTANT, WHICH IS THREATENING TO SUE THE CITY THAT SHE WORKS FOR, THAT WE ALL KNOW SHE LIKES. MONEY IS THE MAYOR AND HIS ASSISTANT OPENING A FALSE DOCUMENT TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA SO THEY CAN FILL THE FALSE WRITING WITH HIS INFORMATION TO HIDE BEHIND THE PRIVILEGE THAT PROTECTS STATEMENTS MADE TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WHEN THE MAYOR WAS CAUGHT, HE SAID HE HAD NO IDEA HOW IT APPENDED TO THE AGENDA. WHEN WE ALL KNOW EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH HIM. FIRST, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, RON MORRISON AND HIS ASSISTANT ARE NOTHING BUT LEADERS OF CORRUPTION. DO NOT BE FOOLED WHEN HE GOES TO YOUR BIRTHDAY, GOES TO THE SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL, GIVES AWAY TURKEYS AND HAMS. THEY ALL HAVE A PRICE. THOSE ARE GIFTS, THOSE ARE BEHEADED GIFTS, AND ALL THOSE QUINCEANERAS, AND GOING TO ALL THESE EVENTS AT, IN THE MORNING AND AT NIGHT WITH HIS ASSISTANT. WHAT MAYOR, WHAT CITY AROUND HERE TAKES HIS ASSISTANT HAND IN HAND WITH TIGHT DRESSES, LOW CUT TRANSPARENCIES. HMM. THANK YOU, MICHAEL. UH, GARY. GARY, FOLLOWED BY ALEXANDER GUT ROAD, FOLLOWED BY EDWIN NETO. COMMENTS MADE WAIT MINUTE, I'M SORRY, I MISSED ONE. COMMENTS MADE TO A CITY COUNCIL IN SESSION ARE PRIVILEGED. SO THE REASON THAT THE MAYOR AND HIS ASSOCIATE ACCOMMODATED [00:15:02] THE FALSE WRITING THAT WAS PUT INTO, UH, APPENDED TO, UH, THE AGENDA ITEM WAS SO THAT THEY COULD MAKE A BUNCH OF FALSE STATEMENTS IN THAT WRITING THAT WERE DEFAMATORY AND UNTRUE. NOW, THERE WAS NOT MUCH WE COULD DO AT THAT POINT, BUT MY PARTNER ASKED THAT THE CITY PRODUCED WHO EXACTLY WAS INVOLVED IN PLANTING THAT FALSE DOCUMENT. AND YOU ALL KNOW, YOU KNOW THAT WHEN YOU GO INTO CLOSED SESSION, YOU NEVER APPEND WHAT SOMEBODY IS CLAIMING AS A CLAIM, UH, AGAINST THE CITY. YOU NEVER DO THAT. YOU KNOW THAT YOU'VE NEVER DONE THAT EVER, EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE TIME. NOW, ONCE THAT HAPPENED, THEN ALL THAT INFORMATION GOT PUT OUT INTO, UH, ONE OF THE LOCAL PUBLICATIONS, AND IT WAS DESIGNED TO ACHIEVE A DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER, WHICH IT ACHIEVED NOW. BUT HERE'S WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS. WHEN WE ASKED THE CITY TO TURN OVER THE RECORDS SHOWING HOW THAT GOT APPENDED, THEY DIDN'T DO IT. WHAT'S WORSE IS THEY TOOK OFF FROM THE WEBSITE, SOMEONE TOOK OFF FROM THE WEBSITE, ALL, ALL OF THE DIRECTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW IN MAKING A CLAIM. SO WE NOW HAVE FILED A NEW LAWSUIT EVERY TIME, MARCUS AND THE OTHERS, EVERY TIME YOU DO SOMETHING THAT'S WRONG, IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE LAW. WE ARE GOING TO TRIAL A CASE AGAINST YOU. RIGHT NOW. WE'RE AT FIVE, AND IT COULD MAKE IT A LOT MORE THAN THAT. WE ARE GONNA TAKE THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT WE HAVE ALEXANDER, UH, GUTRIDGE, FOLLOWED BY MARIA SSON, FOLLOWED BY EDWARD NETTO. YOU RIGHT, GOOD EVENING. AGA AGATHA CHRISTIE DESCRIBES A MYSTERY AS THE EYE BEING DIVERTED FROM THE REAL BUSINESS. THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE REAL BUSINESS. MR. MAYOR, YOU SAID THAT ALL YOU DID FOR THE PUBLIC HEALTH NUISANCE DEVELOPERS WAS OPEN THE DOOR FOR THEM. THIS IS 24 DIFFERENT INSTANCES OF COMMUNICATIONS AND HELP WITH THE DEVELOPERS. FOR INSTANCE, 11 21, 24, 11, 21, 24, THE MAYOR TELLS THE ASSISTANT TO MEET, TO TALK ABOUT BRICO AND THE NUISANCE PROJECT. TEN NINE TWENTY FOUR, JOSEPH BRICO TO THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT, FORWARDED TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, SWEETWATER ROAD, CUP APPLICATIONS. 24 DIFFERENT INSTANCES. THE REAL BUSINESS IS DETERMINING HOW THIS WAS ORCHESTRATED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, HOW THE CITY FAILED TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW, REQUIRING DISCLOSURE OF PUBLIC RECORDS AND HOW THE CITY EVEN WENT SO FAR AS TO ABRUPTLY CHANGE ITS CLAIM PROCEDURE AFTER A REPUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST WAS SUBMITTED. SO LET'S FOCUS ON THE REAL BUSINESS AND GET TO THE BOTTOM OF HOW THIS OCCURRED. THANK YOU. OKAY, MARIA SSON, FOLLOWED BY EDWARD NETTO. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO ASK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR, HOW MUCH MORE MONEY ARE YOU GOING TO WASTE BY NOT COMPLYING WITH PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS? YOU REALLY SHOULD ANSWER TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS BECAUSE YOU ARE SPENDING MONEY WHEN YOU CAN SIMPLY PRODUCE RECORDS AND COMPLY. ON SEPTEMBER TWO, I WAS HERE FOR A, UH, UH, MEETING, AND IT WAS A SPECIAL MEETING. IT WAS SET WITH LIGHTNING SPEED, AND IT WAS AFTER A VERY UNORTHODOX LETTER WAS WRITTEN BY THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANTS ATTORNEY TO THE MAYOR, NOT TO THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, NOT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, NOT TO THE CITY CLERK OR RISK MANAGEMENT, WHERE CLAIMS TYPICALLY GLOW GO. BUT NO, IT WAS SENT TO, OR WAS ADDRESSED DIRECTLY TO THE MAYOR. AND IT WAS A VERY LENGTHY DOCUMENTS UPLOADED WITH HYPERLINKS. VERY, VERY UNORTHODOX. I'D NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE WHERE AN ACTUAL CLAIM ATTACHED. SO I DID A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT AND ASKED, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU DONE THAT BEFORE? WELL, THERE WAS NO DOCUMENTS PRODUCED RELATING TO THAT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY NEVER. SO THEN I DID A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST TO ASK HOW THE, UH, THAT LETTER CAME TO BE, THAT AND HOW IT WAS RECEIVED BY THE CITY. BECAUSE YOU SEE, THE CITIES HAVE CLAIMS FILING PROCESSES. IT IS DICTATED BY THE GOVERNMENT CODE BECAUSE DEPENDING ON WHEN IT'S RECEIVED, IT HAS TO BE MARKED BY WHO GOT IT WHEN THEY GOT IT, BECAUSE THAT TRIGGERS CERTAIN LEGAL DEADLINES. IF THOSE DEADLINES ARE NOT FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH, THEN THE CITY CAN REJECT THE [00:20:01] CLAIM AND THERE'S NO PAYMENTS OR ANYTHING TO BE MADE. BUT HERE WE HAVE A LETTER TO THE MAYOR AND, UH, ASKING ABOUT THAT. WELL, WHAT HAPPENED? INSTEAD OF PRODUCING IT, IT'S, THEY SAID, OH, IT'S GONNA TAKE US 60 DAYS. EVEN THOUGH THE LETTER ASKED FOR COMMUNICATIONS OF HOW IT GOT ON THE AGENDA, HOW IT GOT UPLOADED, WHO TOOK IT IN, WHAT WAS THE DATE, WHO STAMPED IT, I MEAN, WAS IT EVER ACTUALLY RECEIVED BY THE CITY? IS THAT THE LIE? YOU'VE SINCE REMOVED THINGS FROM YOUR WEBSITE, AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO CHECK IT OUT IN PUBLIC. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, EDWARDO. GOOD EVENING. UM, THIS TONIGHT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE KEY ISSUES, AND I KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS, THE CITY'S FISCAL HEALTH AND THE OVERDUE FISCAL REPORT FOR, UH, FISCAL YEAR 2324. THAT'S A, THAT'S A LONG TIME AGO ACTUALLY, AND SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS RELY ON ACCURATE DATA YET, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF YOU DON'T. YOU KNOW, I SPREAD MISINFORMATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RESERVES AND THAT SOUND DELUSIONAL ACTUALLY, AND, UH, WASTEFUL INITIATIVES THAT I THINK THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED. UM, BASED ON MY ESTIMATES ON SALARY NEGOTIATIONS THAT OCCURRED SINCE JUNE 30TH, THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE LESS THAN $2 MILLION OF PROJECTED UNASSIGNED FUND BALLOTS. AND, UH, YET, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE SAY WE'RE HOARDING MONEY. THERE'S RESERVE, THERE'S HEALTHY RESERVES, BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE. SO, BUT YOU KNOW, THEN ON THE OTHER HAND, IF WE, MY FIGURES ARE CORRECT, I DON'T SEE ANY TALK ABOUT ANY NEW REVENUES. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MSA REVENUE? YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THESE OTHER REVENUES THAT ARE COMING FORTH? WE'RE JUST DIGGING OURSELVES DEEPER INTO A HOLE AND NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT IT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE YOU OPEN UP THE NEWSPAPER. THERE'S PENDING FEDERAL CUTS THAT ARE AFFECTING, THAT ARE GONNA AFFECT YOUR, YOUR CONSTITUENTS, AND NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT THAT. SO LET'S HEAR SOMETHING. THE OTHER THING IS THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT THAT'S GONNA END ON JUNE 30TH IS STILL PENDING. I THINK, YOU KNOW, UM, YOUR FISCAL PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY DOING A GREAT JOB, BUT I HEARD IT'S A BIG, BIG, UH, ACCURACY IN TRANSPARENCY. COULD I HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, SINCE I'M GETTING FEEDBACK THAT NOT, NOT EVERYBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. COULD I GET A LITTLE EXTRA TIME FOR THAT? JUST KEEP GOING. OKAY. OKAY. AND I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, I, I JUMP ON JOSE ABOUT THIS AND I I GOTTA JUMP ON EVERYBODY WEEKLY ABOUT THIS. YEAH. OKAY. SO NO, SO THERE'S NO REAL, UM, NO REALISTIC EXPECTATION, IMMEDIATE REVENUE. WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS THIS NEXT, WHEN YOU'RE PENDING FISCAL, UH, 23, UH, 24 AUDIT STATEMENT COMES OUT, LOOK AT IT CLOSELY. THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT IT'S NOT GONNA INCLUDE ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THESE LAST THREE YEARS. LOOK AT THE INTERNAL CONTROL REPORT. LOOK AT THE INTERNAL COURT COURT, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION. AND IF THE AUDITORS DON'T GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION, I THINK WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS ASK FOR IT. SO JUST DON'T TAKE IT JUST BECAUSE THEY GIVE IT TO YOU. ASK MORE QUESTIONS. OKAY? THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT, THAT IS, UH, NOW WE GO TO OUR ZOOM MEMBERS ON ZOOM. THANK YOU, TERRY. ANN SKELLY. GOOD EVENING, NATIONAL CITY, CITY COUNCIL MAYOR MORRISON. MY NAME IS TERRY ANN SKELLY. I'M A PLANNING GROUP MEMBER, PARENT, AND A PUBLIC HEALTH EDUCATOR. THERE'S A WELL-KNOWN PODCAST CALLED DREAMLAND, HOSTED BY SAM ES, WHO IS A SUBSTANCE ABUSE COUNSELOR. HIS OBSERVATIONS FROM THE FIELD HAVE ASSISTED THOSE OF US HERE IN PUBLIC HEALTH. HE RECENTLY SAID, AND I QUOTE, THERE IS A LESSON I THOUGHT THE OPI ACADEMIC HAD TAUGHT US, WHICH I BELIEVED WAS, WAS THIS BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE DRUGS THAT ARE ONE LEGAL, TWO HIGHLY POTENT, THREE, MADE WIDELY AVAILABLE WITH FOUR UNFOUNDED CLAIMS OF THEIR RISK FREE NATURE, AND PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANT, NUMBER FIVE, PROMOTED AND MARKETED BY PROFIT MOTIVATED GROUPS OR CORPORATIONS. END QUOTE. THIS DESCRIPTION GOES A LONG WAY TO DESCRIBE OUR MARIJUANA INDUSTRY TODAY. POT CAPITALISM HAS TRANSFORMED WEED INTO HYPER POTENT MUTATION, BEARING NO RESEMBLANCE TO THE NATURALLY GROWN PLANT. THE SYNTHESIZATION OF POT, OR REALLY OF THC, MEANS THAT THE MENTAL CONSEQUENCES OF HYPER POTENT POT AND THC PRODUCTS NOW EQUAL THOSE LIKE FENTANYL, METH, AND COCAINE. HE SPEAKS ABOUT THE SPREAD OF PSYCHOSIS HE, HE AND HIS COLLEAGUES SEE REGULARLY, ESPECIALLY AMONG YOUNG MEN. HE REGRETS THE PERMITTING OF POT BECAUSE IT ALLOWED FOR INDUSTRIAL [00:25:01] INNOVATION OF THC PRODUCTS IN MIGHTY AND DEVASTATING, POTENT SUPPLY, DABS, WAXES, AND VAPES, AND ESPECIALLY FAMILIES WHERE THE PARENTS ARE SHELL-SHOCKED BY THE YOUNG ADULTS. CANNABIS ADDICTION. WE NEED THESE REALTIME PODCASTS TO COUNTER THE AGGRESSIVE SOCIAL MEDIA AND MARIJUANA BUSINESS BILLBOARDS AROUND TOWN. THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY CONCERNS THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. MADISON WRAP. HI, GOOD EVENING. I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF YOUTH DRUG PREVENTION MONTH AND TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO A PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERN, SECONDHAND SMOKE EXPOSURE TO E-CIGARETTE AND TOBACCO SMOKE AMONG YOUTH. ACCORDING TO A NEWLY RELEASED STUDY FROM THE 2023 NATIONAL YOUTH TOBACCO SURVEY, OVER 64% OF STUDENTS IN GRADES SIX THROUGH 12, WHICH IS IN THE UNITED STATES, AN ESTIMATED 18 MILLION CHILDREN REPORTED EXPOSURE TO SECONDHAND E-CIGARETTE OR TOBACCO SMOKE WITHIN THE PAST 30 DAYS. THAT MEANS MOST OF OUR YOUTH ARE ROUTINELY BREATHING IN HARMFUL SUBSTANCES, EVEN IF THEY DON'T PERSONALLY USE THESE PRODUCTS. THE STUDY FOUND THAT SECONDHAND EXPOSURE, ESPECIALLY TO E-CIGARETTES, IS STRONGLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE EARLY STAGES OF YOUTH E-CIGARETTE USE, INCLUDING INCREASED SUSCEPTIBILITY AND EXPERIMENTATION. FOR EXAMPLE, STUDENTS EXPOSED TO E-CIGARETTE VAPOR WERE MORE THAN TWICE AS LIKELY TO TRY E-CIGARETTES COMPARED TO THOSE WITH NO EXPOSURE. AS WE RECOGNIZE OCTOBER AS YOUTH DRUG PREVENTION MONTH AND PREPARE FOR RED RIBBON WEEK, I URGE THIS COUNCIL TO CONSIDER STRATEGIES TO REDUCE YOUTH EXPOSURE IN PUBLIC SPACES, ESPECIALLY PARKS, SCHOOLS, AND MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. WE MUST ENSURE OUR LOCAL ENVIRONMENTS PROTECT NOT END DANGER OUR YOUNG PEOPLE BY LIMITING SECONDHAND SMOKE EXPOSURE. WE DON'T JUST PROTECT THEIR LUNGS, WE PROTECT THEIR FUTURES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC HEALTH. THANK YOU, BECKY, WRAP. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BECKY WRAP. I'M A PUBLIC HEALTH EDUCATOR AND A CONCERNED RESIDENT FOR THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OUR, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS. I OFTEN SPEAK REGARDING THE DETRIMENTAL IMPACT OF HIGH POTENCY POT PRODUCTS AND, UM, THEIR IMPACT THAT THEY HAVE ON YOUNG PEOPLE AND THE DEVELOPING BRAIN. BUT TODAY, I'D LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION YET ANOTHER DETRIMENTAL CONSEQUENCE MARIJUANA CAN HAVE, AND THAT IS ON FERTILITY AND CHILD DEVELOPMENT. A STUDY PUBLISHED THIS YEAR BY RESEARCHERS FOUND THAT THC, THE ACTIVE INGREDIENT IN MARIJUANA DIRECTLY HARMS HUMAN EMBRYOS. IVF EMBRYOS EXPOSED TO THC SHOWED WIDESPREAD GENE DISRUPTIONS AND A 9% INCREASE IN CHROMOSOMAL ERRORS. THESE ERRORS ARE A LEADING CAUSE OF MISCARRIAGES AND SEVERE DEVELOPMENTAL PROBLEMS. THE SCIENCE BUILDS ON WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW. MARIJUANA REDUCES SPERM COUNT AND QUALITY IN MEN INTERFERES WITH NORMAL BRAIN DEVELOPMENT AND CHILDREN, AND LEAVES LASTING MARKS ON DNA. DESPITE THIS, THE MARIJUANA INDUSTRY CONTINUES TO MARKET THESE PRODUCTS AS, QUOTE, SAFE AND QUOTE, NATURAL PREGNANT WOMEN IN PARTICULAR, IN PARTICULAR ARE BEING MISLED, OFTEN TURNING TO MARIJUANA. WITHOUT BEING WARNED OF ITS RISKS, OUR CITY CAN TAKE STEPS TO PROTECT FAMILIES. I URGE THIS COUNCIL TO REQUIRE POINT OF PURCHASE EDUCATION IN POT SHOPS SO CONSUMERS SEE ACCURATE HEALTH INFORMATION BEFORE BUYING. I ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO ADVOCATE FOR MANDATORY WARNING LABELS ON PACKAGING CLEARLY STATING THE RISKS TO FERTILITY, PREGNANCY, AND CHILD DEVELOPMENT. THESE ARE BASIC PUBLIC HEALTH PROTECTIONS, NO DIFFERENT FROM TOBACCO OR ALCOHOL. BY ADAPTING THESE MEASURES, NATIONAL CITY CAN ENSURE RESIDENTS ARE MAKING INFORMED CHOICES AND THAT VULNERABLE GROUPS, ESPECIALLY WOMEN AND CHILDREN, ARE NOT LEFT UNPROTECTED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MEGAN STEWART. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME'S MEGAN STEWART AND I HAVE EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH YOUTH EVERY DAY. THE IMPACT THAT THE NORMALIZATION OF DRUG USE, WHETHER IT'S VAPING, NICOTINE, OR MARIJUANA, IS HAVING ON OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE EVIDENT. THE TRUTH IS SIMPLE. WHEN YOU SEE IT, ESPECIALLY BEING USED, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO TRY IT. WHEN MARIJUANA STORES ARE VISIBLE IN OUR COMMUNITIES, WHEN VAPING APPS POP UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AND WHEN ADULTS NORMALIZE THESE BEHAVIORS, KIDS DON'T SEE ANY RISK. THEY SEE PERMISSION. RECENT DATA BACKS THIS UP. THE 2023 NATIONAL YOUTH [00:30:01] TOBACCO SURVEY FOUND THAT 64% OF US, SIX THROUGH 12TH GRADERS WERE EXPOSED TO SECONDHAND E-CIG OR TOBACCO SMOKE, AS MENTIONED BY A SPEAKER EARLIER. THOSE WHO WERE EXPOSED JUST TO THE SMOKE WERE TWO TO THREE MORE TIMES LIKELY TO TRY VAPING FOR THEMSELVES. IN OTHER WORDS, JUST BEING AROUND IT, SEEING IT, SMELLING IT, AND BREATHING IT IN MAKES THEM MORE LIKELY TO TRY. AND THIS EXPOSURE ISN'T JUST LEADING TO USE, IT'S LEADING TO HARM. WE KNOW THAT EARLY AND ONGOING SUBSTANCE USE TAKES A DEEP TOLL ON MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL HEALTH. IT DISRUPTS BRAIN DEVELOPMENT, INCREASES ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION, AND CAN MAKE YOUNG PEOPLE MORE VULNERABLE TO SELF-HARM AND HOPELESSNESS. WHAT STARTS AS CURIOSITY CAN QUICKLY BECOME A DANGEROUS COPING MECHANISM. ACCORDING TO EAST COUNTY MAGAZINE, DR. LEV REPORTED LAST MONTH THAT MARIJUANA WAS FOUND IN 43% OF SUICIDE TOXICOLOGY REPORTS AMONG YOUTH UNDER 25 AND SAN DIEGO COUNTY IN THE YEAR 2022. THAT IS NEARLY HALF AND SHOULD STOP EVERY ONE OF US IN OUR TRACKS. WE CANNOT KEEP SENDING MIXED MESSAGES, TELLING YOUTH TO MAKE HEALTHY CHOICES AND EFFORTS LIKE RED RIBBON WEEK LATER THIS MONTH, WHILE ALLOWING ADVERTISING VISIBILITY AND PUBLIC USE OF ADDICTIVE SUBSTANCES THAT GLAMORIZE THE VERY BEHAVIORS WE WARN THEM AGAINST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, PEGGY WALKER. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. SPEAKING OF MARIJUANA, BECAUSE OCTOBER IS NATIONAL SUBSTANCE USE AND MISUSE MONTH, IT'S A GOOD TIME TO CALL ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE DRIVING WHILE MARIJUANA IMPAIRED IS INCREASING. THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN, ESPECIALLY IN LOCALITIES WHERE MARIJUANA IS PERMITTED FOR SALE AND CONSUMPTION. THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY STATE'S MOTOR VEHICLE CRASHES ARE THE LEADING CAUSE OF WORK RELATED DEATHS ACCOUNTING FOR MORE THAN 21,000 FATALITIES BETWEEN 2011 AND 2022. AND MARIJUANA ADDS TO THAT RISK. THC WAS THE MOST COMMONLY DETECTED, SUBSTANCE DETECTED IN OVER 25% OF SERIOUSLY OR FATALLY INJURED ROAD USERS TESTED BETWEEN 2020 AND 21 POT USERS HAD NEARLY TWICE THE ODDS OF BEING INVOLVED IN MOTOR VEHICLE CRASHES AS SOBER DRIVERS. THE DRUG-FREE WORKPLACE ALLIANCE STATES THAT ALLOWING MARIJUANA IMPAIRED EMPLOYEES TO DRIVE HAS RESULTED IN THE LOSS OF TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO EMPLOYERS. AND THOSE DRIVING IMPAIRED SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS CAN PRO PROACTIVELY SAFEGUARD AGAINST THE RISK BY ESTABLISHING CLEAR DRUG-FREE WORKPLACE POLICIES THAT IS EXPLICITLY STATE EMPLOYEES CANNOT DRIVE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF MARIJUANA. WITH THIS IS, WITH THIS IN MIND, I WANNA ASK IF THE CITY IS MONITORING WORKPLACE PRACTICES AT THE CITY'S MARIJUANA LOUNGE TO ENSURE THERE'S NO MARIJUANA IMPAIRED DRIVING BY EMPLOYEES OR PATRONS, SUCH OVERSIGHT IS ESSENTIAL TO PUBLIC SAFETY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. OOPS, MANUEL ANDRE. UM, HI. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MANUEL ANDRADE, NATIONAL CITY COLLISION FOR BETTER HEALTH MANAGER. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR PASSING THE TRL PROGRAM TWO WEEKS AGO. I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY A FEW POINTS MENTIONED DURING THE SEPTEMBER 19TH TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE PRO HEARING BY INDUSTRY REPRESENTATIVES AND TOBACCO RETAILERS. FIRST, I WAS TRULY SURPRISED TO HEAR CLAIMS THAT THE TRL WILL BE DEVASTATING FOR BUSINESSES WHEN TOBACCO KILLS OVER HALF MILLION PEOPLE EACH YEAR AND COSTS MORE THAN 600 BILLION IN HEALTHCARE AND LOSS OF PRO PRODUCTIVITY. SEEING THOUSANDS OF STUDENTS BECOMING ADDICTED AND ACCESSING PRODUCTS FROM LOCAL STORES IS TRULY DEVASTATING. SECOND, I WAS IN AWE LISTENING TO REPRESENTATIVES FROM CAPE AND BOTTLE SPOKE OR SPEAKING AGAINST THE TRL PROGRAMS SINCE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A LAWSUIT AGAINST BY THE SAN DIEGO CITY ATTORNEY FOR SAILING LEGAL FLAVORED TOBACCO PRODUCTS, COUNTABLE TIMES IN YOUR FRONT YARD IN NATIONAL CITY, AND AT THE SOO VALLEY LOCATION. NATIONAL CITY ALREADY HAD A COP REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR SPECIAL BUSINESSES APPROVED IN 2018. UNDER THE ADOPTED ORANGE SELL. SELLING TOBACCO IS A CONDITIONAL PRIVILEGE. AFTER FOUR VIOLATIONS IN THREE YEARS, THE PRIVILEGE SHOULD BE REVOKED AND TOBACCO RETAILERS CANNOT FOLLOW THE LAW. HOW IS THIS UNFAIR? THERE SHOULD BE ZERO TOLERANCE TO SELL TO YOUTH THAT YOUR APPLIES SE EQUALLY TO ALL RETAILERS AND HELPS ENSURE THAT BUSINESSES LIKE CAKE AND THE BOTTLES STOP SELLING ILLEGAL PRODUCTS AND AGAIN, AND GAIN, I'M SORRY, AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE OVER COMPLIANT RETAILERS. KUDOS TO LOW VIDANT RETAILERS REGARDING THE TRANSFERS OF LICENSES. TLS ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE AT BOTH [00:35:01] THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVELS. THE LICENSE BELONGS TO THE INDIVIDUAL RETAILER, NOT TO THE BUSINESS ENTITY, AND IS NOT A FACTOR FOR THE VALUE OF THE BUSINESS WHEN IT'S SOLD. THIS INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND IN CALIFORNIA CIGARETTE AND TOBACCO PRODUCT LICENSE ACT OF 2003. THE HONESTY OF THESE COMMENTS SHOULD BE SERIOUSLY QUESTIONED. ALL THESE CLEARLY SHOWS WHY STRONG ENFORCEMENT AND EDUCATION IS NECESSARY. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR PASSING THE TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THAT CONCLUDES THE ZOOM COMMENTS. I DO WANNA PUT ON THE RECORD THAT WE RECEIVED FOUR WRITTEN COMMENTS. COMMENTS. I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT ITEM 11 ONE, UM, ON THE AGENDA HAS BEEN PULLED, AND SO WE WILL NOT BE ADDRESSING THAT ONE THIS EVENING. UM, WITH THAT [6.1 Introduction of New City Employees] THEN WE GET INTO OUR, UH, INTRODUCTION OF NEW CITY EMPLOYEES. AND LET'S SEE. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, LOOKING OVER HERE TO ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS. GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF, CITY MANAGER, UH, STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. MY NAME IS MARTA JUAREZ. I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS. ACTUALLY TONIGHT I'M THE ACTING DIRECTOR FOR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS. , FORGOT ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND. UM, I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TONIGHT OF INTRODUCING TWO NEW MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM, UH, BECAUSE OF THEIR WORK DUTIES AND THEIR NORMAL WORKING SCHEDULE. THEY'RE NOT WITH US HERE TONIGHT, BUT I DID WANT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN. UH, WE HAVE FIRST, UM, A NEW MAINTENANCE WORKER. WE'RE HAPPY TO WELCOME JULIAN PEREZ AS A MAINTENANCE WORKER AND THE US ADDITION TO OUR TEAM WITHIN THE STREET AND WASTEWATER MAINTENANCE DIVISION. JULIAN WAS BORN AND RAISED IN CHULA VISTA, SO VERY FAMILIAR WITH OUR CITY AND THE SOUTH COUNTY. ALTHOUGH HE IS NEW TO THE SPECIFIC KIND OF MAINTENANCE ROLE HE BECOME, HE DOES COME WITH HANDS-ON EXPERIENCE WORKING AS A PLUMBER'S ASSISTANT AND HAD DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF SAFETY, TEAMWORK, AND PROBLEM SOLVING. HE LOOKS FORWARD TO GROWING HIS SKILLS AND CONTRIBUTING TO THE SUCCESS OF OUR DEPARTMENT AND OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. AND I'M JUST GONNA SKIP AHEAD TO THE THIRD PERSON THERE. YES. WHO'S ALSO FROM OUR DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE A NEW CUSTODIAN. WE WELCOME ALAN ARROYO, WHO RECENTLY JOINED US ORIGINALLY FROM RIVERSIDE, BUT RAISED IN NATIONAL CITY SINCE THE AGE OF ONE, WE'RE EXCITED TO ADD ANOTHER TRUE LOCAL TO OUR TEAM AS WELL AS A RED DEVIL. SINCE HE IS A GRADUATE OF SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL. FROM THE CLASS OF 2016, ALAN COMES TO US WITH VERY RELEVANT EXPERIENCE, HAVING WORKED OVER EIGHT YEARS AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES TECH AT SDSU MEDICAL CENTER AND AS A CUSTODIAN FOR THE NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE ALAN AS OUR NEWEST MEMBER OF THE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE DIVISION WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, NOW, CHIEF. YEAH, I GOT THE NEXT ONE. UH, MAYOR . SO THIS IS RICHARD CHARU. UH, HE STARTED WITH US A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND HE CAME TO, HE'S A POINT LOMA POINTER, SO WE WON'T HOLD THAT AGAINST SOMEBODY. HE'S ACTUALLY WORKING IN OUR PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE AS A SPECIALIST. WE WERE A LITTLE SHORTHANDED, SO HE CAME OVER TO US, UH, VERY CONNECTED IN THE COMMUNITY. HE, UH, VOLUNTEERS A LOT OF HIS TIME HELPING KIDS PLAY BASEBALL. SO WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE HIM. HE'S VERY EXCITED AND HE IS ALREADY GETTING INVOLVED IN OUR PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE TEAM. SO THAT'S RICHARD. OKAY, SO THAT IS ALL THAT WE HAVE ON THE, UM, ON [6.2 Employee of the Quarter] OUR NEW EMPLOYEES. AFTER THAT, NOW WE GO TO EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER AND WE HAVE OUR CITY LIBRARIAN. OKAY, , BRING HIM ON IN. I WANNA INVITE UP MARIA TO COME JOIN US IF SOMEBODY COULD GRAB HER. THERE SHE IS. . SO, IT IS MY HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO GET TO RECOGNIZE MARIA MARMA, UH, AS THE EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER. UH, MARIA'S BEEN PART OF OUR LIBRARY FAMILY FOR 38 YEARS. UH, IN THAT TIME, SHE'S BECOME THE HEART OF OUR CIRCULATION TEAM AND A TRUE EXAMPLE OF DEDICATION AND KINDNESS. AND AS OUR CIRCULATION SUPERVISOR, MARIA KEEPS EVERYTHING RUNNING SMOOTHLY. SHE MANAGES DAILY OPERATIONS WITH GRACE, SUPPORTS HER TEAM WITH PATIENCE AND CARE, AND MAKE SURE EVERY [00:40:01] PATRON WHO WALKS THROUGH OUR DOORS IS TREATED WITH WARMTH AND RESPECT. MARIA'S ALWAYS THE FIRST TO LEND A HAND, WHETHER IT'S HELPING WITH A PROGRAM, COVERING A SHIFT, STEPPING IN ON HER DAY OFF TO MAKE SURE THINGS GET DONE. SHE BRINGS CALM TO CHAOS, FIND SOLUTIONS TO ANY PROBLEM, AND DOES IT ALL WITH A SMILE. PATRON'S LOVE HER FOR HER KINDNESS AND THE WAY SHE MAKES EVERYONE FEEL WELCOME. HER KNOWLEDGE, PROFESSIONALISM, AND STEADY PATIENTS HAVE BEEN A CORNERSTONE OF OUR LIBRARY FOR NEARLY FOUR DECADES. MARIA TRULY EMBODIES THE SPIRIT OF PUBLIC SERVICE. SHE LEADS WITH COMPASSION, WORKS TIRELESSLY FOR HER COMMUNITY, LIFTS EVERYONE UP AROUND HER. IT'S AN HONOR TO CELEBRATE HER TODAY AND RECOGNIZE ALL THAT SHE'S GIVEN TO OUR LIBRARY, OUR STAFF, AND OUR CITY. CONGRATULATIONS MARIA, AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. GOOD EVENING, COMMUNITY. UM, GRATEFUL. THANK YOU. AS MY BOSS SAID, YOU KNOW, MY DIRECTOR, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 38 YEARS. I WON AND ONLY JOB STARTED WHEN I WAS 17. I AM HONORED TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, WORK FOR MY COMMUNITY, AND ALSO BE AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY. I'M THANKFUL FOR ALLOWING ME TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY IN THIS CITY FOR SO MANY YEARS WITH A HEAVY HEART. I RETIRED THIS YEAR, BUT I AM FULL WITH MY HEART THAT I'VE SERVED WITH EVERYTHING I'VE GOT, AND I WOULD DO IT AGAIN IN A HEARTBEAT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. OH, YOU ARE VERY WELCOME. YOU GOT ME BEAT BY FIVE YEARS. YOU ALSO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, MAYOR AS MARIA MAKES HER ROUNDS. IF I COULD JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT. ABSOLUTELY. UM, I REMEMBER BEING IN HIGH SCHOOL AND BEING A VOLUNTEER AT THE LIBRARY. THIS IS THE OLD LIBRARY, WHICH IS NOW OUR ARTS CENTER. SO, AND I REMEMBER MARIA AND SHE TAUGHT ME THE CIRCULATION DESK AND I WAS TERRIFIED AND I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, GO INTO THE CHILDREN'S, UM, THE CHILDREN'S AREA BECAUSE THAT WAS A LITTLE SMALLER, LESS TERRIFYING. BUT MARIA, I JUST, EVER SINCE THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN SUCH A PRESENCE AT THE LIBRARY AND I JUST LOVE YOU FOR IT. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF THE DEDICATION THAT YOU'VE DONE TO CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONE LAST THING. I WANT TO THANK MY CURRENT EMPLOYEES, ONES THAT HAVE LEFT AND MOVED ON TO THE CITY, MY SECOND FAMILY. ALRIGHT. UH, NEXT [7. REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS] WE GO ON TO REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS. I'LL START DOWN HERE, UH, TO MY, MY FOR IN HERE ON THE LEFT, WE HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, UH, MEETING COMING UP ON THURSDAY WITH MTS. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, SWEETWATER AUTHORITY, NOTHING TO REPORT SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY. NOTHING TO REPORT METRO JPA, UH, WASTEWATER. NOTHING TO REPORT SAN DIEGO COMMUNITY POWER. WE'RE RELAUNCHING THE SOLAR BATTERY SAVINGS PROGRAM THAT WAS ANNOUNCED EARLIER BY ONE OF OUR, UM, UH, ADVISORY, UH, MEMBER, UH, MR. LARRY EMERSON. UM, THIS WILL BE, THIS IS THE SOLAR BATTERY SAVINGS PROGRAM. PROVIDES UPFRONT REBATES AND PERFORMANCE INCENTIVES FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS WHO INSTALLS NEW SOLAR PLUS STORAGE SYSTEMS OR ADD BATTERIES TO THEIR EXISTING SOLAR SETUP. PARTICIPANTS WILL RECEIVE LOWER UPFRONT COSTS THROUGH INSTALLATION REBATES, BILL SAVINGS BY USING STORED SOLAR ENERGY DURING EXPENSIVE EVENING HOURS, BACKED UP POWER DURING OUTAGES AND PERFORMANCE PAYMENTS. SO THIS IS, UM, A NEW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A NEW PROJECT OF SUNIL COMMUNITY POWER, BUT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE POPULARITY OF IT, UM, WE WOULD LIKE OTHER RATE PAYERS TO, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. UM, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT, MAYOR. OKAY. UH, WE HAVE BOTH A, UH, OH, I'M SORRY. I'M GO DOWN HERE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, SANDAG. WE DID HAVE A PREVIEW OF THE FINAL, UH, WELL, IT'S NOT FINAL, BUT IT'S A NEAR FINAL, UM, REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR 2025. AND IT IS, UM, A PLEASURE TO SEE [00:45:01] IT, UM, IN ITS NEAR FINAL FORM. EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN ON SANDAG, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH SMALL GROUPS TO, UH, GET WHAT WE WANNA SEE IN THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN DETAILED INTO IT. AND SO TO SEE THE FINAL, NEAR FINAL FORM IS, IS A PLEASURE. AND, UH, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PRESENTATION IN THE NEXT COMING, UH, MEETINGS AT SANDAG. THERE WILL BE A BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING ON FRIDAY, WHICH I WILL ATTEND AND I WILL REPORT BACK. THANK YOU. OKAY, MAYOR BUSH. UH, NOTHING TO REPORT SINCE THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, BUT WE DO HAVE ANOTHER AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT MEETING, UH, THIS THURSDAY. OKAY. UH, I HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS, ONE ON SANDAG THE, UH, UH, REGIONAL PLANNING. AND SO LOOKED AT A, A GOOD NUMBER OF ISSUES ON THAT ONE. UH, ALSO THEN ON RISA, WE HAD OUR QUARTERLY MEETING. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE WE'RE LOOKING, SINCE WE DEAL WITH ALL THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE DISPOSAL, EVERYTHING ELSE WAS, UH, SOME OF THE ISSUES DEALING WITH, UH, SOME OF THESE LITHIUM BATTERIES. ONCE THEY START GETTING TO THE END OF THEIR LIFE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? AND, UH, RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PLANS, BUT THAT'S GONNA CATCH UP WITH US BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE, UH, UH, BEFORE, BEFORE WE MAY BE, UH, READY FOR IT. SO ANYWAY, SO WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT AHEAD OF TIME. WITH THAT, WE WILL, MAYOR. YEAH. MAY I HAVE? OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, JUST, UH, HIT OCTOBER IS THE FILIPINO AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH, THE 119 CONGRESS FIRST SESSION SUBMITTED A RESOLUTION, UH, LED BY OUR VERY OWN CONGRESSMAN JUAN VARGAS. RESOLUTION 7 7 4, EXPRESSING SUPPORT FOR THE RECOGNITION OF THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, 2025 AS FILIPINO AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH AND CELEBRATING THE HISTORY AND CULTURE OF FILIPINO AMERICANS AND THEIR IMMENSE CONTRIBUTION TO THE UNITED STATES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. UM, [8. CONSENT CALENDAR] WITH THAT WE GO INTO CONSENT AND WE'LL BE PULLING OUR REQUEST, UH, 8 3 5 7 12 14 AND 16. SIR, ANYTHING ELSE YOU MAY SPEAK, HUH? PULLING 8 3 8 5 8 7 8 12, 8 14, AND EIGHT 60. CORRECT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, WITH THAT SAID, UM, MOVE TO APPROVE, UM, THE REST OF THE OTHER CONSENT ITEMS. I SECOND. ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND, PLEASE. OKAY. YEP. YOU ALREADY GOT YOUR DEALS IN THERE. OKAY, LET'S GO. BOARD IS LIGHTENED UPRIGHT MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE [8.3 Approval of a Five-Year Agreement with Innovative Interfaces Incorporated (Clarivate) for Polaris Integrated Library System (ILS) and Vega Products, the Total Contract Amount Not-to-Exceed $190,000.] EIGHT THREE. THIS IS APPROVAL OF FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH INNOVATIVE INTERFACES INTERCORP, UH, IN INCORPORATED, UH, FOR POLARIS INTEGRATED LIBRARY SYSTEM IN VEGA. PRODUCTS NOT GOING TO HAVE THE OLD INDEX CARDS ON THE DEWEY DECIMAL SYSTEM ANYMORE. HUH? OKAY. UM, OKAY, SO THIS WAS, UH, EIGHT THREE MR. THOMAS REICH. I JUST SAID THAT SO YOU COULD VOTE ON IT. IT'S 190,000 FOR FIVE YEARS MM-HMM . AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'LL STATE. OKAY. I JUST, SO YOU DID. THANK YOU. OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? APPROVE. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SEE NO DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT WE GO TO EIGHT [8.5 Designate the Fire Chief, Chief of Police, and Emergency Manager as Authorized Agents to Continue the Cost Recovery Process for All Open and Future Disasters up to Three (3) Years Following the Date of Approval.] FIVE. DESIGNATE THE FIRE CHIEF, UH, CHIEF OF POLICE AND EMERGENCY MANAGER AS AUTHORIZED AGENTS TO CONTINUE THE COST RECOVERY PROCESS FOR ALL OPEN AND FUTURE DISASTERS UP TO THREE YEARS FOLLOWING THE DATE OF APPROVAL. UH, WITH THAT MAD MR. ATO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO RAISE THIS QUESTION, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COST RECOVERY AND DISASTERS. I WASN'T NEVER, EVER SURE IF WE EVER HEARD WHETHER WE RECOVERED THE COST FROM FEMA FROM OUR LAST FLOOD DISASTER. I ALWAYS THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF QUESTION WHETHER WE SUBMITTED CLAIMS AND WHETHER WE ABLE TO RECOVER THAT COST. I NEVER HEAR, HEARD A CLEAR ANSWER. AND WHERE IS THAT? IS THAT A RECEIVABLE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE BOOKS THAT'S RECEIVABLE OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PROCESS WE NEVER HEARD BACK? I MEAN, WE TAKE A LOSS AGAINST THAT, AGAINST THE, THE GENERAL FUND. UM, WHAT I WANT TO ASK IS, AND THE OTHER QUESTION I ALWAYS ASK, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A DISASTER, BUT I NEVER HEARD OF A DISASTER RECOVERY, UH, DISASTER PLAN FOR THE NEXT TIME THIS HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, NEXT FLOOD, NEXT FIRE. YOU KNOW, I NEVER HEARD, I'VE ASKED SEVERAL TIMES AND I'VE, I'VE NEVER GOT A RESPONSE TO THAT. [00:50:01] YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. REMEMBER BUSH? YES. UH, AND THANK YOU MR. NIETO, A CITY ATTORNEY. DO YOU, UH, HAPPEN TO, I KNOW THAT JUST HEARING ABOUT THIS, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN UPDATE US ON, UH, ANY, ANYTHING IN TERMS OF THE FEMA PROCESS, CLAIMS, ANY OF THE REIMBURSEMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED BACK FROM THE, THE CITY OR FROM, FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? EXCUSE ME. YEAH. YEAH. THEY, I THINK WALTER'S THE ONE TO ANSWER THIS ONE. OKAY. THANK YOU WALTER? YEAH, WALTER AMITY, EMERGENCY MANAGER, CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. UH, WE HAVE SUBMITTED, UH, FOR THE MAJORITY OF OUR, UM, REIMBURSABLE, UH, COSTS. AND WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS. UM, A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS ARE, ARE NOW FINALIZING FINALLY, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO RECOVER MOST OF THOSE COSTS. UM, DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATED DATE OR A RANGE OF WHEN WE EXPECT TO RECOVER THOSE COSTS? AS SOON AS THE PROJECTS ARE ARE DONE? UH, WE SUBMIT, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ALL THE PAPERWORK THAT THEY NEED. AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE, THE ENTIRE YEAR. UM, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO THE, TO THE FLOODS, UM, FROM MASTER. BUT IS THERE BUT TO RECOVER EVERYTHING, IS IT LIKE THREE MONTHS? IS THERE SIX MONTHS? IS IT A YEAR? THERE REALLY ISN'T A TIMEFRAME, UM, TO ACTUALLY, UH, GET THE, THE MONEY BACK. UM, WE ARE JUST CONTINUING TO, UH, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED AND PROVIDING THE INFORMATION THAT, UH, THAT WE CAN, UH, HAVE AT HAND. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN I ADD TO THAT? ABSOLUTELY. MR. EDDI, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE, UH, WORKSHOPS THAT YOU ARE PREPARING US FOR OUR EMERGENCY, UH, SERVICES, UH, PREPAREDNESS. THANK YOU. AND, AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, WE ARE CONCENTRATING ON THE EOC, THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. UM, AND WE HAVE, UH, TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE FLOODS AND, AND HOW WE CAN BETTER THAT SITUATION NEXT TIME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? MOVE TO APPROVE SECOND. MARCUS, YOU WANNA HIT YOUR MOTION? THERE YOU GO. ALRIGHT, THERE WE'RE, ALRIGHT. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. [8.7 Increases to Salaries and Benefits for Executive, Management, and Confidential Groups.] OKAY. EIGHT SEVEN IS INCREASES TO SALARY AND BENEFITS FOR EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT AND CONFIDENTIAL GROUPS. UM, I WOULD LIKE A MO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS ITEM. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? YES. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I HAD, WE, WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS WITH STAFF, BUT I'VE QUESTION, IT'S JUST SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. SO YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S A NEED FOR SOME, SOME CLARITY. AND, UH, UM, BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE FINALIZE ON THIS ONE, UM, WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS, UH, THAT PUT IN FOR THIS. UH, BUT SINCE WE HAVE A MOTION, YOU CAN ONLY SPEAK TO THE MOTION, WHICH WOULD BE ON CONTINUING IT OR NOT CONTINUING IT. SO WOULD ANY ONE OF THOSE WHO PUT IN FOR SPEAKER, WOULD THEY LIKE TO TALK, SPEAK TO THAT? IF NOT WITH THIS WILL BE COMING BACK. OKAY. I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING DID. OKAY. SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF YOU THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. IT'S BEING CONTINUED TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. UM, SO WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING TESTIMONY ON THE ITEM ITSELF. IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL SHOULD CONTINUE IT, YOU'RE HAPPY TO OR OTHERWISE YOU CAN SAVE YOUR COMMENTS TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU ATTORNEY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THERE'S A MOTION. SECOND, UH, SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION, UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. UH, NEXT WE GO TO EIGHT FIVE, OR I'M SORRY, I'M THE WRONG PAGE. HERE WE GO TO EIGHT, [8.12 Project Close-Out and Notice of Completion for the Valley Road Storm Drain Replacement Project, CIP No. 24-21.] UH, 12. THIS IS PROJECT CLOSEOUT AND NOTICE OF COMPLETION FOR THE VALLEY ROAD STORM DRAIN REPLACEMENT, UH, PROJECT. AND THAT ONE IS MR. NETTO. OKAY, BEFORE I ANSWER THIS, ASK THIS QUESTION. THE LAST QUESTION. IF YOU DON'T COLLECT MONEY WITHIN SIX MONTHS AFTER THE YEAR END, I BELIEVE THAT SHOULDN'T BE RECORDED. IT YOU DON'T RECORD IT AS RECEIVABLES OR REVENUE. SO WE HAVEN'T COLLECTED THAT OR I HAVE NOT COLLECTED THE MONEY WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR. AND I PLEASE CORRECT ME, BRUCE, IF I'M WRONG, OR, UH, THEN YOU DON'T, WE HAVEN'T RECOGNIZED THAT PORTION AS REVENUE. JUST THINK ABOUT IT. OKAY. [00:55:01] OKAY. THE OTHER THING IS, UH, LET'S SEE, I WANT, I WANT TO ASK, UH, OUR, UH, OH , OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. YOU KNOW, I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT COMPARED FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR HAS BEEN REDUCED. SO WHY, REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE HAD $2 MILLION, UH, UH, CHANGE WHEN WE REDUCED OUR, UM, OUR, UH, WE CHANGED IT FROM, UH, ARPA FUNDS TO THE GENERAL INTO THE GENERAL FUND TO MAKE TO COVER OPERATING COSTS. MM-HMM . SO IS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS BEING REDUCED EVERY YEAR? IS THE EXPECTATION, ARE WE GONNA MAINTAIN THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET THE SAME LEVEL AS WE DID LAST YEAR WITH A LESS THAN $2 MILLION? ARE WE EXPECTED, ARE THE CITIZENS EXPECTED TO GET LESS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IN THE PRIOR YEARS? THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION I'M ASKING. I NEED CLARIFICATION AND I DON'T NEED A, I NEED JUST A YES OR NO. I, I LIKE TO SEE SOME DATA TO SUPPORT THIS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. I, I, I THINK I CAN GIVE YOU A BRIEF ANSWER AND THAT IS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ARE CYCLIC. AND SO WE HAVE, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO GRANTS. SO A LOT OF TIMES WE'VE, WE FULFILL OUT SOME, A LOT OF THOSE ARPA ONES WE'VE FILLED OUT. SO NOW, UH, THIS YEAR THERE'S, THERE'S FEWER AT THIS YEAR, I CAN ALREADY TELL YOU, MOST LIKELY FOR THIS NEXT YEAR WE'RE GONNA HAVE PROBABLY HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE AND, 'CAUSE I JUST WAS DEALING WITH SOME OF THOSE THAT WILL PROBABLY BE COMING IN WITHIN THIS NEXT YEAR. SO THERE'S A, UH, SO IT'S CYCLIC. IT DOESN'T, IT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A STEADY STREAM. UH, AND IT DEPENDS ON THE GRANT LEVELS AND THEN ALSO THE INDIVIDUAL NEEDS OF THE PROJECTS AND HOW MUCH MONEY WE WOULD BE USING OUTTA GRANTS AND HOW MUCH WE WERE USING ON A GENERAL FUND. AM I SAYING THAT HALFWAY RIGHT? TRUE. YOU'RE CORRECT, MAYOR. YOU'RE CORRECT. YES, YOU ARE MAYOR AND I WILL ALSO DEFER TO OUR ACTING CITY MANAGER IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING ON THE, UM, CIP BUDGET FOR THE YEAR. I THINK. THANK YOU MARTHA MAYOR. UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUMMARY, MAYOR. UM, THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS OUR, OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE FUNDED THROUGH A VARIETY OF GRANTS, GENERAL FUND, AST, TAX, TRANSNET, UM, AND THEN THE TIMING OF THE PROJECTS AND THE SCOPE, IT IS CYCLICAL. UM, SO WHILE THE GENERAL FUND CONTRIBUTION WAS LESS, UH, FOR THIS BUDGET CYCLE, WE'RE ACTUALLY, AND YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE BY ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT DELIVERING, YOU KNOW, OVER $20 MILLION IN CAPITAL PROJECTS THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO AGAIN, IT'S ALL RELATIVE BASED ON GRANTS, FUNDING SOURCES AND, AND THE TIMING OF THE PROJECTS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? THIS IS FOR EIGHT 12. SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE MOTION. SECOND, UH, PLEASE VOTE. QUESTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, NEXT [Items 8.14, 8.15 & 8.16] WE HAVE, AND I GOOF BECAUSE I'VE GOT ALL THESE SLIPS HERE THAT ARE KIND OF ALL OVER EACH OTHER. UH, 14, 15, AND 16. I KNOW WE APPROVE 15, BUT MR. REICH WANTS TO SPEAK ON 14, 15, AND 16. SO WHY DON'T YOU COME UP ON ALL THREE OF THOSE AND WE'LL VOTE ON 14 AND 16. 14 AND 16. YOU CAN DO 14, 15 AND 16. GO RIGHT AHEAD. 14, 15, 16. OKAY, I'LL JUST READ THESE. THE, THE PEOPLE, THE COMPANY IS ANSWER ADVISORY GRANT MANAGEMENT VILLA 103,000, PRISM EXCESS PR, PRIS, PRISM, EXCESS WC, PREMIUM OPTIONAL EXCESS LIABILITY PROGRAM, 351,100 11,000 EGIL, THE COMPANY DEPUTY DEPUTY BUILDING SERVICES, 24,000 ANSWER MANAGEMENT. PRELIMINARY DIVINE SERVICE FOR 33 INCH SEWER TRUNK LINE, 19,300 FINANCE, UH, FINANCE, RSW EQUITY ADJUSTMENT PAYMENT 24 24 AND 25 18,330. THE CITY OF POWERWAY RSW EQUITY ADJUSTMENT PAYMENT, $22,000. IT COMPLETE PAPERLESS, COMPLETE PAPERLESS LASER FISH, FISH PARTY PANT USERS, POLICE POLICE, THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA ANIMAL CARE SERVICES, 125,000 POLICE EQUIPMENT. AM AM SAN [01:00:01] DIEGO POLICE EQUIPMENT AMMUNITION SUPPLY, 10,200, UH, ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS CIRCUIT TRANSIT, 26,000 FIRE. ARIS HOTELS TI ARIS HOTELS TICKET MGM GRAND HOTEL CASINO, LAS VEGAS, NEVADA $360 LIBRARY, AIRBORNE GLOBAL NETWORK. UH, DD GIL $101,260, UH, S CONSTRUCTION CON CONSTRUCTION PD POLICE GENERATOR ELECTRICITY UPGRADE, RGN NOBLE PAVE PAVEMENT ATE REHA REHABILITATION HABIT REHABILITATION 1,800,000 ST. TRAFFIC 107,000 FOR, UH, CALIFORNIA ENGINEERING BIC CAPITAL POLICE CAD UPGRADE FINANCING, 88,000 CITY ATTORNEY CIVIC LABOR GROUP LEGAL SERVICES, 31,000 CITY MANAGER AGENCY FI FISCAL 26. ASSESSMENT AGENT 28,000. THIS IS WARRANT ROGERS 16 GOLD SIGN GRAPH BA BICYCLE WAY FINDING PROJECT $207,000 DEVANEY, PEYTON MORRIS, 96,000. THE CITY ATTORNEY CAMERON AND EVANS LEGAL SERVICES 27,000 ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS BLOCK MODE VAR LAS P PALM MODULAR BUILDING 190 79,000. UH, GEO SYNTAX AND CAMS CLEANUP, PLA NINA CARMAX, 46,000. CELEBRATE AND POLICE CELEBRATE CEL. CELEBRATE, CELEBRATE MOBILE FORENSICS 9,500 AND LG BETA, UH, CEILING FAN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, 6,500. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, UM, OKAY FOLKS, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE FOR ITEMS 14 AND 16 APPROVAL, MR. MAYOR. OKAY, SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, PLEASE LOOK. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, NEXT [9.1 Continued Public Hearing: Consideration of Certification of a Negative Declaration for a General Plan Amendment and Zone Change from (RS-2) to (MXC-1) for Properties Located at 3040, 3042-3046, 3102-3104, & 3106-3108 E. 16th St. and 1540 S. Harbison Ave.] WE GO INTO OUR CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF A CERTIFICATION OF A NEGATIVE DECLARATION ON A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND ZONE CHANGE FROM RS TWO TO MXC ONE FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 30 40 30 42 THROUGH 46, 31 0 2 THROUGH 31 0 4, 31 0 6 THROUGH 31 0 8 EAST 16TH AND 1540 SOUTH HARBISON AVENUE. UM, I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CITY ATTORNEY BEFORE WE GET A REPORT FROM STAFF. OKAY. SO WE, UH, THIS IS A CONTINUED ITEM. UM, IF YOU RECALL AT THE LAST TIME THIS WAS DECIDED IT WAS A TWO TWO VOTE AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THE MAYOR HAD HAD, UM, RECUSED HIMSELF. UM, AND THE ISSUE AT THAT TIME IS WHETHER HE HAD A CONFLICT BECAUSE HIS, HE OWNS PROPERTY WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF ONE OF THE PARCELS. UM, UNFORTUNATELY I DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE CONFLICT AT THAT TIME, AND I ADVISED THE COUNT, UH, THE MAYOR OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION TO RECUSE. SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE HAD A TIME TO DO A COMPLETE ANALYSIS OF WHETHER OR NOT HE HAS A POTENTIAL CONFLICT AND WE'VE DETERMINED THAT THERE IS NO CONFLICT AND HE IS CLEAR TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS ITEM. UM, SO AS LONG AS YOU CAN, UH, INDICATE THAT YOU'VE REVIEWED THE PREVIOUS MATERIALS, THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE FINE TO PARTICIPATE. YES, I DID REVIEW THE, UH, MATERIALS FROM LAST MEETING, UH, THIS AFTERNOON AND SO DID THAT. AND THE, UH, THE PROPERTY I HAVE IS MY RESIDENCE WHERE I LIVE AND IT'S [01:05:01] ALMOST EXACTLY A THOUSAND FEET FROM ONE OF THE, FROM ONE OF THE PROPERTIES. IT'S REALLY NOT EVEN AFFECTED BY THIS. SO, UH, WITH THAT I WILL BE PARTICIPATING. NEXT, WE I'M GONNA TURN THIS ON OVER AND THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL STAFF, PUBLIC. UH, OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE HEARD ME GIVE THIS PRESENTATION ONCE BEFORE. I'LL FLICK THROUGH THIS, UH, FOR THE INTEREST OF TIME. UH, I KNOW THE MAYOR, MAYOR MAY NOT HAVE SEEN, UH, THE RECORDING OF THIS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN AREA OF THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY ON EAST 16TH STREET, EITHER SIDE NORTH AND SOUTH. HERE'S AN AREA, SO A PART OF THE AREA ALONG 17TH STREET, WHICH IS THE DIRT STREET ON THE BOTTOM. A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES ON, UH, THIS PART OF THE, THE CITY ARE VACANT IN THE BACK WITH EVERYTHING LOADED TOWARDS 16TH STREET HERE AND 18TH STREET ON THE SOUTH. OUTSIDE OF THIS PICTURE, UH, THE AREA IN QUESTION, THE PROPERTY THAT THE APPLICANT OWNS IS THE VACANT ONE, PRETTY MUCH RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT PHOTOGRAPH. THERE ARE OTHER USES NEARBY, INCLUDING APARTMENTS, A LIQUOR STORE AND A DAYCARE FACILITY THAT ARE IN THE SAME ZONE AS THE CURRENT AREA, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY. AND, UH, THOSE ARE CONSIDERED NON-CONFORMING USES, WHICH I'LL GET BACK TO IN A LITTLE BIT AS A OBLIQUE VIEW FOR YOU TO GET AN IDEA OF THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE AREA. AND THAT'S LOOKING BACK THE OTHER WAY TO THE WEST. THAT'S FROM THE STREET. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT, IT SLOPES UP PRETTY WELL. THERE'S, UH, AN EXISTING LIQUOR STORE AND SOME OF THE APARTMENTS YOU CAN SEE IN THE FOREGROUND THERE. AND THERE IS A, UH, A 1540 SOUTH HARON AVENUE. ACROSS THE STREET TO THE NORTH IS A DAYCARE. SO THIS IS APPROXIMATELY HALF AN ACRE, JUST A LITTLE LESS. IT IS, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO DO A ZONE CHANGE, WHICH INCORPORATES BOTH A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE LAND USE AND THE ZONE CHANGE. THAT WAS ALSO A ZONE VARIANCE THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THAT WOULD COME AS A NOTICE OF DECISION AT A LATER DATE SHOULD THIS, UH, SECTION BE APPROVED. THE ZONING IS CURRENTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THE, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO CHANGE THAT TO MAJOR MIXED USE OR, UM, A BEG PARDON OF MINOR MIXED USE CORRIDORS, MXC ONE AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE OTHER NONCONFORMING AREAS OR NONCONFORMING PROPERTIES NEARBY, WHICH WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION TO REZONE. THERE IS A BUS STOP AT 16TH AND HARBISON NEARBY THE PROPERTY. SO IT IS CONSIDERED TO BE WITHIN THE TRANSIT AREA. AND, UH, THE MXC ONE ZONE, WHICH IS BEING PROPOSED IS ALSO DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SOUTH ACROSS 17TH STREET ON THE 18TH STREET PROPERTY. SO AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO, TO REZONE. THEY DO HAVE A PROJECT IN MIND. THE REQUEST DOES NOT INCLUDE APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT, BUT THEY HAVE MADE A, A DESIGN GIVEN THE, THE PARAMETERS OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY AND THE CONSTRAINTS MOSTLY BEING, UH, FIRE ACCESS. UH, IN ORDER TO HAVE MORE THAN 150 FEET FROM THE CURB TO THE BACK CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A FIRE TURNAROUND. THERE ISN'T ENOUGH SPACE ON THIS LOT 'CAUSE IT'S ONLY 60 FEET WIDE. THEREFORE THERE ARE ONLY DEVELOPING OR PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THE FRONT HALF OF THE PROPERTY WITH A FIVE UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING. THAT WOULD BE TWO STORIES HIGH. THAT IS THE MAXIMUM ENVELOPE THAT THEY CAN DO UNDER THE CURRENT SCENARIO GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS RELATED TO HEIGHT BECAUSE OF UTILITIES AND ALSO THE TURNAROUND THAT I MENTIONED, THE REAR AREA THAT'S VACANT ALONG 17TH WOULD BE CONSIDERED OPEN SPACE. WE HAVE WORKED WITH THIS APPLICA APPLICANT FOR SOME TIME. THEY'VE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT OVER THE, OVER THE LAST, UH, ALMOST YEAR NOW FROM, UH, THREE TO TWO STORIES AND FROM SEVEN TO FIVE UNITS. AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THAT WAS TO DO WITH THE DESIGN PARAMETERS OR CONSTRAINTS WITH FIRE REGULATIONS. SO THIS IS AN AREA THAT SHOWS THE ZONING MAP. SO THE YELLOW IS THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING, WHICH HAS BEEN HERE SINCE 2011. PRIOR TO THAT, IT WAS A MIXTURE OF SINGLE FAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY EXTENDABLE, WHICH ALLOWED ONE UNIT PER 5,000 SQUARE FEET. AND THEN THE RED TO THE SOUTH, THAT'S THE MXC ONE ZONE, WHICH IS THE SAME ZONE AS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. SO IT WOULD BE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SHOWN AS A GAP THERE, THAT'S THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY, THE ZONING BOUNDARIES WOULD LINE UP IF IT WERE REZONED. THE GENERAL PLAN ZONING, UH, ALLOWS CURRENTLY NINE UNITS AN ACRE THAT WOULD GO UP TO 24 UNITS AN ACRE. IF IT WERE REZONED TO MX C ONE WITH APPROXIMATELY 0.45 OR HALF A UNIT OR HALF A ACRE PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FOUR AND A HALF TO FIVE UNITS DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S DESIGNED. AND THAT HAPPENS TO BE THE PROJECT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED. UH, ALSO A REZONE WOULD CREATE A CONFORMING SITUATION FOR THE CURRENTLY NON-CONFORMING USES NEXT DOOR. THAT BEING THE TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES, THE LIQUOR STORE AND THE, UH, AREA, THE, UH, BEG PARDON, THE DAYCARE ACROSS THE STREET ON HARBISON. SO THE, THE SURROUNDING LAND USES ARE, ARE VARIED. THERE ARE A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THERE ARE PROPERTIES WITH TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THEM. AND THEN THERE'S THE ONES THAT I TALKED ABOUT. SO THE DENSITY DOES VARY ANYWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND A HALF TO FIVE AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE. CURRENTLY, THERE ARE SEVERAL GENERAL PLAN [01:10:01] POLICIES THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD COMPLY WITH, MOSTLY TO DO WITH PROVIDING ADDITIONAL HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES. UH, THIS IS A CURRENTLY VACANT LOT. SO WHERE WE WOULD BE GAINING UNITS SHOULD THEY BE BUILT, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO LIVE THERE. WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE LAND USE CODE AND IT IS CONFORMING, THE PROJECT IS CONFORMING WITH THE LAND USE CODE, WITH ONE EXCEPTION. THAT BEING THE REQUIREMENT IN THE MXC ONE ZONE OF A 75% STREET WALL, WHICH IS, UH, FOR MIXED USE PROJECTS FOR MIXED USE ZONING. IT'S INTENDED TO HAVE EVERYTHING WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE TO HAVE A WALKABLE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS ONLY 60 FEET WIDE AND THE REQUIREMENT FOR AT LEAST 18 TO 20 FEET OF, UH, DRIVEWAY THAT PROHIBITS THEM, IT'S PROHIBITIVELY, UH, WELL, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET THAT 75%. SO THAT'S WHAT THE VARIANCE IS FOR. THERE WERE FINDINGS MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THAT, UH, TO APPROVE SUCH A THING. AS FAR AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, WE DID, STAFF DID DO AN INITIAL STUDY AND DETERMINED THAT THIS WAS A NEGATIVE DECLARATION. THERE WERE NO IMPACTS, SIGNIFICANT OR OTHERWISE THAT WERE IDENTIFIED. UH, THE VARIANCE ITSELF WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM SQA, BUT THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT ITSELF AND THE REZONE OF ALL FIVE, SIX PROPERTIES THERE WOULD BE, UH, COVERED UNDER THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION. SO THIS IS, AS WE MENTIONED, A VACANT, UH, CITED IS CERTAINLY SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. AND, UH, THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY FOR A SUBDIVISION CURRENTLY, HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS ISSUES WITH 17TH STREET, IT'S NOT DEVELOPED. THERE'S A LOT OF TOPOGRAPHY AND SO FORTH. IT'S IMPRACTICAL, IMPRACTICAL TO DO SO AT THIS STAGE. ALTHOUGH SHOULD 17TH STREET BE BUILT IN THE FUTURE, THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL UNITS, NOT ONLY FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT FOR OTHERS IN, IN THE AREA, SINGLE FAMILY OR OTHERWISE. AND THEN FINALLY, THE INCLUSION OF THOSE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY CONSIDERED NONCONFORMING WOULD MAKE THOSE A CONFORMING USE AGAIN. SO, UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. SO THE OPTIONS TONIGHT, THERE ARE TWO THINGS ON THE TABLE. ONE IS THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, WHICH IS CHANGING THE LAND USE FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO MINOR MIXED USE. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE ZONE CHANGE, WHICH IS CHANGING FROM RS TWO OR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO MX C ONE, WHICH IS MINOR MIXED USE. UH, AS I MENTIONED, MINOR MIXED USE CORRIDOR. SO THE OPTIONS ARE TO, UH, CERTIFY THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION THAT THAT WOULD BE A FIRST STEP IF APPROVAL IS, IS WARRANTED. AND, UH, TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION FOR THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE ZONE CHANGE AS AN ORDINANCE. SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AN INTRODUCTION OF THAT ORDINANCE. THERE WOULD, UH, A BE A A, UH, THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE WOULD COME TO SUBSEQUENT MEETING AS WOULD A NOTICE OF DECISION FOR THE VARIANCE. SHOULD WE GET TO THAT STEP. CAN ALWAYS CONTINUE THE ITEM. IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT STAFF HAS, UH, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. SO THAT DOES CONCLUDE MY REPORT IF YOU'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PRESENT IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, AT THIS POINT, THIS IS A, WE'LL CONTINUE ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, UH, BEVERLY BINGHAM AND, UH, MIKA POLANCO AND ALICIA MORRISON, PLEASE COME ON. EVENING. UM, I'M A LITTLE TIRED. THIS HAS BEEN LONGER THAN I THOUGHT, SO BEAR WITH ME. UH, I WANNA THANK MY COUNCILWOMAN FOR, UH, REACHING OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY, UH, REGARDING, UH, THIS ISSUE. UH, STAR NEWS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I READ VERY OFTEN, BUT I WILL BE, UH, PAYING A LITTLE CLOSER ATTENTION TO THAT. UH, I AM ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, THAT WILL BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED, UH, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT, UH, ALONG WITH OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA, WE ARE ENCOURAGING COUNCIL TO VOTE NO ON THIS PROPOSAL. UH, VOTING NO WILL STILL ALLOW DEVELOPMENT OF THAT AREA. IT JUST WILL NOT BE AT FIVE UNITS. UH, VOTING NO WILL BASICALLY ALLOW, UH, THE AREA TO CONTINUE AS IT IS THE CURRENT ZONING, RSS TWO WILL ALLOW FOR THREE TO FOUR UNITS. UH, I BELIEVE THAT PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS, UH, EXPRESSED THAT AT PAST MEETINGS, UH, IT'LL PROVIDE HOUSING AND IT'LL KEEP THE GROWTH TO A MINIMUM. UH, ANYTHING BEYOND THAT IS JUST TOO MUCH FOR THAT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. UH, THIS SMALL CORNER OF DISTRICT THREE IS ALREADY OVERBUILT. I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME. UH, ALONG WITH THE UNITS, UH, THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION, THERE IS HORRIBLE PARKING CHALLENGES ARE OFF THE SCALE. [01:15:01] UH, INCREASING THIS AREA WILL ALSO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF AIR AND NOISE POLLUTION THAT WE DEAL WITH. IT'S ALSO A MAIN THOROUGHFARE FOR FIRE, POLICE, UH, AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES. UH, WE, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET, GET OUT AND WALK THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. ONE OF THOSE DRAWINGS UP THERE. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAD IT SHOWED IN THE YELLOW ZONE. THOSE ARE BASICALLY, I BELIEVE, UH, RSS TWO ZONES. AND THAT IF YOU TRAVEL DOWN 16TH STREET FROM SOUTH HARBISON TO EUCLID, YOU'LL FIND TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES. AND THAT'S IT. EVERYTHING ELSE IN THAT COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. SINGLE FAMILY HOME. UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS, MIKA BLANCO. UH, ALICIA MORRISON TO BE FOLLOWED BY DOYLE MORRISON. THIS CITY HAS SO MANY INCONSISTENCIES WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING, REZONING, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, BACK TO RESIDENTIAL TO MIXED NEWS. DOES THIS COUNCIL FLIP A COIN TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS OR DO THEY FOLLOW THE MOON CYCLES? OR IS IT JUST THE COMMUNITY REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A LOCAL LIQUOR STORE TO MAKE A ZONE CHANGE? MAKING THIS TYPE OF ZONE CHANGE FROM RS TWO TO MX C ONE FOR A TWO STORY FIVE UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING IS SUCH WASTEFUL GOVERNMENT SPENDING ALL THAT TIME THAT THE PLANNING HAD TO SPEND GOING THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF. I OPPOSED THIS MX C ONE ZONE CHANGE. THANK YOU. OKAY, DOYLE MORRISON. I SAW HER BACK THERE. CATCH NEXT BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MIKA POLANCO TO BE FOLLOWED BY LISA MCCART. SORRY, MAYOR, WE'RE IN THE OVERFLOW ROOM. NO PROBLEM. AND THERE IS A DELAY IN THERE. SO I DIDN'T HEAR MY NAME CALLED, SO NO PROBLEM. I CAME AS SOON AS I HEARD IT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW. 10, 15, SECOND DELAY. ANYWAYS, GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL. CHANGING THIS ZONE FROM RS TWO TO MX ONE IS WRONG. UH, FOR MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ALONG 16TH STREET IN THAT AREA, IT SMELLS LIKE NATIONAL CITY IS COVERING THEIR TRACKS FOR WHEN THEY CHANGED THE RS TWO IN THE FIRST PLACE AND CREATED THE NON-COMPLIANCE AND IN INCONSISTENCIES. UM, THESE TYPE OF ACTIONS IS WHY NATIONAL CITY IS BURDENED WITH LAND USE LAWSUITS. BY THE WAY, THE MAYOR'S PROPERTY IS 960 FEET FROM THE DAYCARE, NOT A THOUSAND. THANK YOU. 960. UH, MIKA BLANCO, THE FOLLOWED BY LUISA MCCARTHY. GOOD MORNING. I MEAN, GOOD AF GOOD EVENING. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT DAY I MEANT ONE OF THOSE DAYS. ANYWAYS, UH, I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE, UH, YOU SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, UH, DOING THIS STUDY OF, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, DOING THE GENERAL PLAN CHANGE AND US POLICY MAKERS SEW THIS AS AN MX C ONE, THEN YOU CHANGED IT TO RS TWO. NOW YOU WANNA CHANGE IT BACK TO MX C ONE. I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS, UH, TREND KEEPS REPEATING ITSELF OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER. CAN YOU IMAGINE IF EVERY CITY WORKED THIS WAY WHERE THEY'RE JUST KIND OF PIECEMEALING AS THEY GO ALONG? OH, WELL, THIS ONE LOOKS, UH, LIKE AN M MC, UH, D TWO TODAY AND TOMORROW MY RECIPE RESIDENTIAL AND THE NEXT DAY IT MIGHT BE MXC ONE. WE'VE GOTTA DO BETTER GUYS. WE'VE GOTTA HAVE LEADERSHIP THAT STUDIES THE ENTIRE CITY AND STICKS TO ONE PLAN SO THAT SOME PROPERTY OWNERS ARE NOT BENEFITED VERSUS OTHER OWNERS. IT HAS TO BE EQUITY. THERE HAS TO BE JUST, IT HAS TO BE, UH, EQUAL FOR ALL. IT CAN'T JUST BE SOME YES, SOME NO. YOU KNOW, YOU KEEP SAYING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO BE THE ONE THAT INITIATES THESE, UH, CHANGES. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO. WHO MAKES THE POLICY CHANGES? WHO DOES? WHO MAKES THE DECISION TO CHANGE THE ZONING AND CHANGE THE GENERAL PLAN? YOU DO. YOU ARE THE POLICY MAKERS. SO, UH, AS WE CLOSE THIS YEAR, PLEASE, PLEASE, I URGE YOU TO, TO, TO DO INDEPENDENT STUDIES, FOLLOW A PLAN AND STICK TO AN EQUITABLE PLAN FOR ALL INVOLVED SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE WITH LAWSUITS. THANK YOU. OKAY. LOUISA MCCARTHY BE FOLLOWED BY AND I KNOW I'M GONNA MESS [01:20:01] UP THESE NAMES. KORAN, GOOD EVENING AGAIN. MIKA SAID IT GREAT. I MEAN, GEEZ, SHE TOOK A LOT OF MY PUNCHES. BUT EITHER WAY, A MASTER PLAN IS IN PLACE FOR A REASON. WE NEED TO RESPECT IT AND SEE WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING FOR THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL, BOTH THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE RESIDENTS. BUT IT HAS TO BE FAIR AND DONE CORRECTLY. SADLY, THE PEOPLE THAT DO WANNA MAKE RIGHT CHOICES AND PERHAPS FOLLOW THE RULES, LIKE THE ONE CITY MANAGER THAT WE ONCE HAD TRYING TO PUT IN LINE, UH, DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS AND, UH, SEEING FORTH THE THINGS ARE DONE RIGHT, GETS CANNED LIKE TUNA. THEN WE HAVE THE HUMAN RESOURCES LADY THAT IS NOW GONE WANTING TO DO HER JOB AND PLACE DISCIPLINARY ACTION TO YOUR SECRETARY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RON AND SHE'S GONE TO, SHE DECIDED TO LEAVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS PRESSURED IS WHAT THE WORD SAYS. AND SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING GET SMEARED IN A FALSE, UH, ACCUSATION. MAYBE JUST, MAYBE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND PUT PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING THAT USE THEIR EDUCATION, THAT USE THE STUDIES AND TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THE PEOPLE AND HOW THINGS CAN DAMAGE THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF, I DON'T KNOW, GETTING EXTRA TIME ON VACATION. UH, LITTLE, LITTLE, UH, PICK ME UPS HERE AND THERE, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THE CITY HERE IS RUN LIKE SESAME STREET. EVERYBODY'S DOING THEIR OWN THING. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, KORAN BE FOLLOWED BY SU AND THEN MESS THIS NAME UP REALLY BAD. RAJ. RAJ. THAT'S IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. MY NAME IS KIRAN. I'M A RETIRED PERSON. IF YOU, I, I WANT TO SHARE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE ZONE CHANGE IS DENIED. I WILL LOSE A $16,000 A PERMIT FEES. IT WOULD ABLE TO BUILD ONLY A PRIMARY RESIDENCE THERE AND A LOT AND A SMALL A DU WITH THE CURRENT ZONING RULES. IT, IT WOULD NOT GIVE ME AND MY WIFE TO ENHANCE THE RETIRED LIFE. TO LIVE IN A PRIMARY RESIDENCE LIVING SIDE BY SIDE IN SUCH A LIMITED SPACE, IT WOULD FEEL WAYS YOU NOT SUPPORT YOU. OUR DREAM IS TO HAVE HOME LARGE ENOUGH TO US TO COMFORTABLY AND STILL LIVE WITH OUR DAUGHTER AND GIVE A SPACE NOT IN A CROWDED THEM. THIS LOT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR LAST 30 YEARS. WITH YOUR APPROVAL, IT CAN FINALLY BECOME A MODEST FIVE UNITS WHERE MY DAUGHTER CAN RAISE HER CHILDREN. AND WHERE MY WIFE AND I CAN RETIRE HERE WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL, IT MAY NOT, IT MAY STAY EMPTY OR MAY HOLD A SMALL UNIT WHICH CANNOT MEET OUR FAMILY NEEDS. I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT TONIGHT TO, TO DO THAT LAND DOES NOT REMAIN WE ESTATE AND, BUT INSTEAD BECOME A TRUE HOME FOR A MULTIGENERATION FOR OUR FAMILY. THANK YOU. OKAY. USH BE FOLLOWED BY RAJ. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SUSH MITA KAARI. THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE, IT'S MORE THAN JUST UNITS TO MY FAMILY. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO BUILD A HOME FOR MY FUTURE FAMILY AND MY CURRENT FAMILY. I PLAN TO LIVE IN ONE OF THESE UNITS MYSELF, RAISE MY CHILDREN HERE AND WALK THEM TO THE PRESCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET. I INTEND TO RETIRE MY PARENTS IN ANOTHER ONE OF THESE UNITS AND FINALLY GIVE THEM A REAL SHOT AT THE AMERICAN DREAM THAT THEY HAVE WORKED SO HARD FOR. THE MAIN CONCERNS I'VE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS ARE ABOUT RESIDENT BEHAVIOR AND ABOUT PARKING. BUT RESIDENT BEHAVIOR IS NOT A ZONING ISSUE. IT IS A PEOPLE ISSUE. WITH MY FAMILY AND I LIVING ON THIS PROPERTY, GOOD SELECTION OF RESIDENTS WILL BE OUR TOP PRIORITY ON PARKING. EVEN THOUGH THIS SITE IS IN A HIGH TRANSIT AREA WHERE NO PARKING IS REQUIRED, WE HAVE LISTENED TO THE CONCERNS OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND PAID AN ADDITIONAL $4,000 OUT OF OUR OWN POCKET IN VARIANCE TO PROVIDE ONSITE PARKING FOR THE LOT. OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH CITY PLANNING AND INVESTED OVER $20,000 OF OUR OWN MONEY IN THIS PROCESS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ALREADY [01:25:01] APPROVED RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AFTER HEARING THESE SOLUTIONS TO OUR NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS. THIS IS NOT ABOUT A BIG DEVELOPER KEEPING THE STATUS QUO OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S ABOUT ONE FAMILY BUILDING A MODEST HOME THAT FITS THE COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY CHARACTER, AND CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE NEXT GENERATION OF YOUNG FAMILIES. THE LIVES OF OUR NEIGHBORS WILL, WILL REMAIN LARGELY UNAFFECTED. OTHER THAN A FEW MORE SMILING FACES RIGHT AROUND THE BLOCK, I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT TONIGHT SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN MAKING OUR MULTI-GENERATIONAL FAMILY HOME A DREAM FOR REALITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE RAJ. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS RAJARI. UH, I AM THE OWNER OF 30 40 EAST 16TH STREET. MY DREAM IS TO RETIRE IN ONE OF THESE HOMES THAT MY DAUGHTER IS BUILDING. FOR ME, WITHOUT THIS ZONE CHANGE, MY HUSBAND AND I WOULD BE LIMITED TO MUCH SMALLER A DU THAT WOULD NOT MEET OUR NEEDS. OVER THE PAST YEAR, I HAVE WATCHED MY DAUGHTER STEP UP AS A LEADER IN THIS COMMUNITY. SHE HAS ADVOCATED TO BRING NEARBY MULTIFAMILY HOMES AND BUSINESSES INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY AT NO COST TO THEM. THROUGH THIS RE ZONE, SHE HAS HIRED SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES FOR CLEANUP AND MAINTENANCE ON OUR PROPERTY. SHE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA TO GIVE AWAY FREE FIREWOOD TO LOCALS FROM THE TREES WE CLEARED. ALSO, I HAVE SEEN AN ARTIST PICKING UP THOSE WOODS AND THEN MAKING THE BALLS OUT OF IT. SHE HAS BEEN VERY GOOD PROPER. SHE HAS BEEN VERY GOOD RESOURCE TO THE COMMUNITY AROUND THAT, UH, BUILDING. EVEN THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED INCLUDED PARKING, WHICH WAS A CONCERN WASTE I HEARD BY TALKING TO OUR NEIGHBORS. YOU ALL HAVE ALSO HEARD A PROPOSAL FOR DEVELOPMENT OF EAST 17TH STREET TO ALLOW THE FULL STREET OF NEIGHBORS TO USE THE BACK HALF OF THEIR LOTS. OKAY. SO NATIONAL CITY NEEDS THIS KIND OF DEVELOPER. SOMEONE WHO INVOLVES NOT JUST IN LAND, BUT IN PEOPLE AROUND THEM FOR BUILDING A BEAUTIFUL AND THEN WONDERFUL COMMUNITY. IF THIS DRONE CHANGE IS NOT APPROVED, WE WILL LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A MEANINGFUL PLACE FOR EVERY, UH, NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS HAVING A GOOD COMMUNITY AROUND US. ALSO, WE WILL BE LOSING OUR INVESTMENT OF TIME AND MONEY. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE THERE WILL BE, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY MISSED TO HAVE A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY AROUND THAT PLACE. THAT PLACE WAS BACK AND FORTH 30 YEARS AND THEN STILL IT IS LOOKING LIKE A DRY LAND. WE WANT TO MAKE IT A WONDERFUL PLACE FOR, UH, BUILDING A BETTER COMMUNITY. THIS IS MY PROPOSAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, I SEE WE ALSO HAVE SOME, UH, YOU HAVE SOME ON ZOOM FOR THIS ONE? WE DO. OKAY. UL ARI? YES. HELLO. UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS UL ARI AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ZONE CHANGE. THIS REZONING MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY BENEFITS TO APPROVING IT. OUR PROJECT ADDS FIVE HOMES THAT FIT NATURALLY INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETWEEN A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON ONE SIDE AND MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS ON THE OTHER. IT'LL ALLOW OUR FAMILIES TO LIVE IN A MULTI-GENERATIONAL STYLE THAT NOT JUST US, BUT MANY IMMIGRANT FAMILIES ARE ACCUSTOMED TO. IT ALSO FIXES AN OLD PROBLEM FOR THE 2011 CITYWIDE REZONE, WHERE SEVERAL NEARBY PROPERTIES, INCLUDING APARTMENTS OF PRESCHOOL AND A SMALL BUSINESS, WERE MISTAKENLY CHANGED TO SINGLE FAMILY ZONING. TODAY, THOSE SITES CANNOT BE REBUILT OF A, IF A DISASTROUS TRUCK ARE, WE RARELY GOING TO WAIT UNTIL SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS TO REVISIT THIS REZONE CHANGE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR, NOT JUST TO THE OWNERS OF THOSE PROPERTIES, BUT ALSO TO THE RESIDES OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHO BENEFIT FROM THESE BUSINESSES. NATIONAL CITY'S 5,500 NEW HOMES BY 2029 TO MEET HOUSING DEMANDS AND SMALL INFIELD PROJECTS LIKE THIS HELP MEET THAT GOAL. WE'VE LISTENED TO OUR NEIGHBORS AND WE'VE PAID $4,000 IN VARIANCE SPACE TO PROVIDE ONSITE PARKING. MY SISTER AND PARENTS WILL BE RESIDENTS THEMSELVES. SO WE HAVE EVERY INCENTIVE TO HAVE THE BEST SELECTION. THE LIVES OF ALL THE NEIGHBORS HERE WILL REMAIN LARGELY UNCHANGED BY THIS REZONE. THIS PROCESS HAS TAKEN A YEAR AND NEARLY $20,000 FOR EVEN GETTING TO BUILD A PER BEFORE EVEN GETTING TO A BUILDING PERMIT. I ASKED THE COMMUNITY OF NATIONAL CITY, SHOULD IT REALLY TAKE MUCH, SHOULD IT REALLY TAKE THIS MUCH TIME FOR US TO DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR YOUR COMMUNITY? THIS REZONE IS FAIR, IT'S REASONABLE, AND IT'S GOOD FOR NATIONAL CITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU RICHARD DUNVILLE. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER. MY NAME IS RICHARD. I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF UMB DEMOCRATS FOR SAN DIEGO. UMB STANDS FOR YES, IN MY BACKYARD. WE ARE DEMOCRATS WHO BELIEVE THAT EVERY COMMUNITY SHOULD WELCOME MORE HOUSING BECAUSE SAYING YES TO HOMES IS HOW WE MAKE SAN DIEGO COUNTY MORE AFFORDABLE, EQUITABLE, AND SUSTAINABLE. NATIONAL CITY AS A STATE MADE GOAL OF BUILDING 5,500 UNITS, UH, 2029 PROJECTS LIKE THIS ZONE CHANGE TO BUILD FIVE UNITS ARE THE EXACT TYPE [01:30:01] OF INFILL HOUSING. WE NEED SMALL AND SCALE FAMILY FOCUSED AND TURNING LONG VACANT LAND INTO HOMES FOR REAL PEOPLE. HOUSING IS NOT JUST A POLICY ISSUE, IT'S A CORE DEMOCRATIC VALUE. FAMILIES ACROSS OUR CITY ARE WATCHING TO SEE WHICH LEADERS WILL STEP UP TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING CRISIS AND WHICH ONES CLAIM TO SUPPORT HOUSING, BUT WILL STAND IN THE WAY AS CANDIDATES SEEK DEMOCRATIC PARTIES ENDORSEMENTS, VOTES LIKE THIS MATTER. THEY SHOW WHETHER WE CAN TRUST OUR LEADERS TO PRIORITIZE WHAT THEY CLAIM ABOUT HOUSING SOLUTIONS OR WHETHER THEY WILL KEEP SAYING NOT IN MY BACKYARD. ON BEHALF OF VMB DEMOCRATS, I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. LET'S SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE THAT NATIONAL CITY IS DOING. ITS PART THAT SMALL SCALE HOUSING HAS A PLACE HERE AND THAT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS CAN BE COUNTED ON TO, TO LEAD ON THE HOUSING CRISIS. DEMOCRATS CANNOT CLAIM TO STAND FOR WORKING FAMILIES WHILE VOTING AGAINST HOMES FOR THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FLORENCE CREEK. YES, GO AHEAD. OKAY. HI, MY NAME IS FLORENCE CRICK AND I'M A RESIDENT OF SAN DIEGO. MY FAMILY OWNED 30 42 THROUGH 46 AND A HALF EAST 16TH STREET IN 1971. WE PURCHASED IT IN 1991. AT THAT TIME, IT WAS ZONED WHEN WE PURCHASED IT TO BUILD FIVE TO 30 UNITS. IT WAS CHANGED BY THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY AND THEY DID NOT NOTIFY US. WE WANTED TO BUILD MORE UNITS IN THE VACANT LOT IN 1992. BUILDING MORE UNITS WILL HELP LOW, UH, INCOME. SECTION EIGHT FAMILIES IN NATIONAL CITY AND JOBS. WE OWN THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING AT 12 45, 12 47 HIGHLAND AVENUE. WE HAVE HOMELESS VETS LIVING ON OUR SIDEWALKS AND PARKING LOTS. WE JUST RENTED TO A HOMELESS VET, UH, TO VASH TWO WEEKS AGO. GO. WE DO HAVE OVER EIGHT SECTION EIGHT TENANTS THAT SOME HAVE BEEN WITH US FOR OVER 20 YEARS. I'M IN FAVOR OF REZONING AND FOR THE BEST AND HIGHEST USE OF THE KOSH FAMILY'S PROPERTY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. AND MAYOR, WE HAVE, UH, THREE WRITTEN COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM. AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR, OUR COMMENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. UM, WITH THAT, THAT IS ALL THE, UH, SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE ON THAT. SO I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE WOULD, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, MOVE TO PUBLIC CLOSE HEARING. MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. THERE WE ARE. SO YOU HAVE NO DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT. UH, NOW IT'S TIME FOR DELIBERATION. UH, FIRST OF ALL, I SHOULD, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD BE, IF THERE'S ANY DISCLOSURES, WE SHOULD MAKE 'EM AT THIS POINT. I DID, UH, UH, WALK THE PROPERTY WITH THE PROPONENT. IT WAS ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO. AND, UH, TO LOOK OVER THE PROPERTY INSTALLED GATED AND FENCED UP NOW. UM, BUT AS I SAY, SO I DID, I, UH, DID WALK THE PROPERTY WITH THEM. SO I DID WANNA DISCLOSE THAT. AND I ALSO WALKED THE PROPERTY AND I SPOKE TO THE APPLICANT THROUGH THE CHAIR UHHUH I, UH, WALK, UH, THE PROPERTY WITH MY ASSISTANT AND, UH, PUT OUT A NOTICE, UM, TO THE RESIDENTS, 300 FEET WITHIN THAT, UM, PROPERTY, UM, PROPERTY, UM, UM, 30 0 3, 0 4 0. 'CAUSE UM, SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTS SAY THEY DID NOT RECEIVE THE NOTICE. SO THAT IS MY, UH, I WANT THEM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK UP OR FOREVER HOLD THEIR PEACE. OKAY. OKAY. . UM, OKAY. SEEING ANY OTHER DISCLOSURES? UM, I WOULD ASK ON OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR, UH, DID WE, UH, WAS THERE MAILINGS MADE OUT ON, UH, FOR THIS, UM, ITEM? UH, YES, MAYOR, THERE WERE, UH, THREE, ACTUALLY THREE DIFFERENT MAILINGS THAT WERE DONE. ONE WAS DONE FOR, ACTUALLY THERE WERE TWO DONE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ANOTHER ONE FOR TO, UH, NOT TONIGHT'S MEETING, BUT THE PREVIOUS PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, UH, AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL. AND, UH, THAT'S 300 FEET FROM THE BOUNDARIES OF THE ALL OF THE PROPERTIES TO BE REZONED. AND THAT'S PROPERTY OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS. OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE VACANT, BUT ANYWHERE WHERE PEOPLE, UH, LIVE OR OWN, THEY WOULD'VE GOTTEN A NOTICE. WE DID HAVE TO REDO THE PLANNING COMMISSION NOTICE ONCE, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T INCLUDE 1540 HARVESTING AS PART OF THAT 300 FEET. 'CAUSE AT THE TIME, THEY HADN'T SIGNED OR, UM, SIGNED ONTO THE APPLICATION. BUT HAD SINCE. SO WE, WE HAD, WE DID SEND THAT OUT. UM, [01:35:01] YEAH, WE DON'T DO, UH, YOU KNOW, RETURN, UH, SORRY, I FORGET WHAT YOU CALL IT. THE ONE WE HAVE TO SIGN FOR AND SEND IT BACK. WE DON'T DO THAT FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S A LARGE MAILING. SO I GUESS WE CAN'T ALWAYS TELL WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHO GETS WHAT, BUT OR IF THEY OPEN THEIR MAIL. CORRECT. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. UH, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ON FOR THAT ONE. OKAY. WHAT, UH, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? ANYTHING ELSE? UM, YES, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, IN 2011, THIS WAS, UH, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. UM, ZONED, REZONED THE PROPERTY FROM AN FROM A-X-M-X-D ONE TO AN RS TWO. AND MAYOR, YOU WERE THE, IT WAS A GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. IT'S NOT JUST THAT AREA. THE ENTIRE, UM, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UM, WAS, UH, REVISITED, UH, STUDIED. AND, UH, THIS AREA WAS FOUND DUE TO THE DENSITY AND DUE TO THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IS AN R TWO. SO, AND I'M SURE THAT, UM, THE MAYOR WHO WAS HERE BEFORE HAD STUDIED THAT, UH, PROPERTY AS WELL. SO FOUR OF THOSE PROPERTIES, THE NURSERY AND THE LIQUOR STORE WERE, UM, DESIGNATED OR GRANDFATHERED AS NON-COMPLIANCE. SO THE POLICY MAKERS THEN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE AN NONCONFORMING ZONE IN AN RSS TWO, UM, ZONING. SO, SO NOW YOU WILL LOOK AT THE MAP AND THERE'S A STRIP OF LAND THAT WAS PURCHASED LAST YEAR, AND THEY KNOW THAT IT IS AN RSS TWO AND THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. AN RS TWO CAN BUILD UP TO THREE PROPERTIES, AND IF THEY EXERCISE THE, THE, UH, STATE MANDATE OF AN A DU, THEY WILL HAVE SIX. IT DOESN'T IT THAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE STUDY WAS MADE, THERE WAS AN ACCEPTED NON-CONFORMANCE PROPERTIES IN THAT S TWO, UM, ZONING. SO NOW WE'RE CHANGING IT BECAUSE, UM, SO I, I BELIEVE THAT BASED ON THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT HARBOR ZONE AND E 16, AND YOU CAN, YOU WALKED IT, MAY YOU, YOU LIVE ALMOST THERE. YOU WALKED IT. VICE MAYOR. I WALKED THERE ALL THE TIME. IT'S MY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S MY WAY TO AND FROM, FROM, FROM MY HOME TO THE OFFICE. AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS THERE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FOUGHT FOR THIS RS TWO WHEN IN 2011 WHEN THE, UH, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UM, WAS BEING STUDIED AND BEING, UM, UM, REZONED. SO, UM, I, I WOULD, UM, OPPOSE THIS, UM, THIS, UM, UM, AGENDA ITEM, UM, MR. MAYOR, DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT. WE ALREADY ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT THERE ARE TWO NON-CONFORMING, UM, AREAS THERE. YOU THINK THOSE AREAS WILL REDEVELOP? I BET YOU'RE NOT LIQUOR STORE. WHEN DO YOU SEE LIQUOR STORE REDEVELOPING? IN OUR AREA? NO. THE, THE, THE, UM, THE SCHOOL. I DON'T THINK SO. AND THEN THOSE TWO APARTMENTS, I DON'T THINK SO EITHER. SO YOU ARE, YOU ARE DISTURBING A, UH, ZONE THAT YOU HAVE STUDIED TO BE RS TWO. SO, UH, I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE DENSITY AND THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO PURCHASED THE PROPERTY LAST YEAR KNEW VERY WELL THAT THIS IS AN RSS TWO ZONING. SO I, I OPPOSED THE ZONING CHANGE. MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, WELL I, LET ME, UH, LET ME JUST SAY, UH, MY NAME GOT BROUGHT UP A FEW TIMES THERE. UH, YEAH. IN 2011 WE DID DO A GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT WE PUSHED BACK ON WHAT WAS SOME OF THE TRENDS TO OVERLY DENSIFY OUR CITY. UM, AND SO WE, EVERYWHERE WE COULD, WE TRIED TO PUSH THAT BACK. THERE'S A PROBLEM THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE 2011. SACRAMENTO HAS CHANGED THE PLAYING FIELD AND CONSTANTLY WITH THE LAWS THAT THEY HAVE WRITTEN, MAKE IT HARDER TO WHERE YOU CAN PUT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THEY MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT SO THAT CITIES CAN MAKE REVENUE AND, AND YOU CAN HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES GOING ON AND AT THE SAME TIME WHERE HOUSING HAS TO BE BY RIGHT? AND YOU JUST HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO GO CRAZY WITH IT. AND OUR NUMBERS, THEY, WHAT THEY CALL THE ARENA, THE REGIONAL, UH, HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT ARE THROUGH THE ROOF FOR NATIONAL CITY. UM, SO WE WERE TRYING TO PUSH BACK AT THAT TIME. THE PROBLEM IS THE LAWS HAVE CHANGED AND NOW THEY'RE DEMANDING [01:40:02] WHEREVER POSSIBLE MORE HOUSING. THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT IT TO WHERE YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF HOUSING, UH, INDIVIDUAL HOUSING OR IN THIS CASE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PUT BACK UP THE SLIDE, UH, ONE, ONE OF THE EARLIER SLIDES THAT SHOWS THE AERIAL OF THAT, THAT AREA. UH, LET'S SEE. KEEP GOING. LET'S SEE. THERE YOU GO. LET'S, LET'S GO THROUGH IT HERE. RIGHT THERE. UH, SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS WHERE YOU SEE THE BLUE TARP, THAT IS THE LIQUOR STORE THAT IS THERE. THEN YOU HAVE A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHICH IS THOSE TWO PINK BUILDINGS. THEN YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX THERE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE VACANT LOT. AND AS YOU SEE, THOSE ARE EXTREMELY LONG LOTS GO THROUGH AN ENTIRE BLOCK. AND, UH, SO THEY GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHAT IS A PAPER STREET, 16TH STREET. SO IT IS NOT OUTTA CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND PARTICULARLY SINCE WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS SMALLER THAN THE, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE YELLOW ONE THERE, THAT'S ONE THAT'S NEXT TO THE PINK IS SMALLER THAN THAT. SO ACTUALLY YOU'RE GOING DOWN IN SIZE. IF IT WAS THE SIZE, IF THEY WERE, WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT WAS, WHAT IS THAT, UH, THAT PINK ONE THERE, I WOULD SAY, YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU GOT TOO MUCH GOING ON THERE. BUT THEY WENT DOWN FROM SEVEN UNITS DOWN TO FIVE UNITS, UH, PUT IN FOR THE, UH, THE TURNAROUND FOR THE FIRE ENGINE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WE'RE DEALING WITH A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES THAT SACRAMENTO HAS PUT UPON US TODAY IN 2025 THAN WE HAD IN 2011. AND WE ARE, WE'RE FORCED TO RECOGNIZE THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, SO I HATE TO ATE IT WHEN WE'RE GONNA TRY TO USE, YOU KNOW, USE SOME OF THOSE THINGS. EXCUSES. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DENSIFY SOME AREAS. OUR AREA, THE IDEA IS TO FIND OUT WHERE DO WE DO AS MINIMUM DENSIFICATION THAT WILL IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY AND YET STILL MAKE SOME NUMBERS. 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY SPOTS. UM, AND, UH, AND I APPRECIATE THE ONE NATIONAL CITY RESIDENT THAT SPOKE AGAINST IT, THAT'S THERE. UH, THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS THAT WERE SPEAKING AGAINST THIS. SO THE, UH, UM, I, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A LARGE VACANT LOT THERE THAT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES IF THERE IS A PLACE TO PUT IT. AND THEY'RE PUTTING IN EXTRA PARKING, THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE, UH, THE, THE CUTOUT FOR THE FIRE ENGINE, UH, SO THAT IT CAN, IT CAN GO THROUGH THERE. ALL OF THAT STUFF. AND LEAVING OPEN SPACE. TO ME, IF THERE'S A PLACE WHERE WE ARE GONNA PUT SOME DENSITY, AND THIS IS ONLY FIVE UNITS, TO ME, THIS IS THE PLACE THAT WE NEED TO DO IT. UH, THE LAST THING I'D WANNA SEE IS WHAT THE STATE IS TRYING TO PUSH UPON US IS TEARING DOWN AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ENTIRELY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND PUT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT. THAT'S WHAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. UM, UH, WHEREVER POSSIBLE. SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN, BUT I'VE GOTTA, BUT I'VE GOTTA KIND OF DEAL WITH SOME OF THE REALITIES THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. UM, AND BECAUSE IF WE DON'T ON THIS, I GOTTA SEE WHAT AREAS THAT WE CAN PUT ANY DENSITY AND TO FIGHT, FIGHT WHAT SACRAMENTO'S WANTING TO DO TO US, MR. MAYOR, YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT THEY, THEY CAN STILL BUILD IN THAT LOT IF THEY WANTED TO. MM-HMM . AN RS TWO CAN BUILD THREE HOUSES THERE AND THEN, UM, AND FOLLOW THE SAFETY REGULAR REGULATIONS THAT FIRE, UM, WILL BE FOLLOWING ALSO THROUGH CODES AND THROUGH THEIR FIRE REGULATORY, UH, SAFETY ISSUES. SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UM, REALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY. LOOK AT THE CHARACTERISTIC OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, MR. MAYOR. IT'S SO DENSE ALREADY, RIGHT? SO I, I BELIEVE THAT ALLOWING THIS FOR YOU TO HAVE VOTED IN 2011 AND ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT WE'LL BE TWO NONCONFORMING UNITS IN RS TWO, AND THEN NOW YOU'RE CHANGING IT BECAUSE YOU SAID CA SACRAMENTO IS, YOU KNOW, MANDATING US. WE HAVE A, A GENERAL PLAN UPDATE THAT WE SAID WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW. THAT'S WHY WE, YOU IN 2011 SPEND MONEY TO STUDY THAT, A GENERAL PLAN AND MADE SURE THAT THIS DENSITY HERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU LIVE IN WILL BE RESPECTED. MM-HMM . SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I I I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS VERY EASY FOR YOU TO SAY, OH, WE GRANDFATHERED THAT AND NOW WE'RE CHANGING IT BECAUSE SACRAMENTO'S DOING THIS FOR US. THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT REASON, MAYOR. WE GOTTA DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. WELL, I'LL JUST SAY IN RESPONSE TO THAT, THEN [01:45:01] WE'LL LET, UH, REMEMBER RODRIGUEZ SPEAK IS THAT INDEED IT WAS A GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. IT WAS NOT A SPECIFIC PLAN UPDATE. AND WE DO CONSTANTLY TAKE A LOOK AND MAKE CHANGES, UH, WITHIN THAT GENERAL PLAN. WE DO IT BECAUSE YOU CANNOT TAKE A, YOU CANNOT IN ADVANCE. AND 'CAUSE WE DO THESE THINGS VERY INFREQUENTLY, YOU CANNOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT EVERY CONSIDERATION. AND SO THAT'S THE REASON IT'S CALLED A GENERAL PLAN. AND IT WAS A CITYWIDE GENERAL PLAN. I UNDERSTAND. NOT JUST FOR THIS BLOCK. I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. NOW THEN, MR. RODRIGUEZ, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR A VERY LONG TIME NOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE APPLICANTS FOR COMING NUMEROUS TIMES TO COUNSEL. VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. JUST TO, FOR CLAR, FOR CLARIFICATION, HOW MANY UNITS, IF THEY, IF IT REMAINS IN THE R TWO ZONING, HOW MANY UNITS WOULD BE ABLE TO BE BUILT WITH OUR CURRENT A DU LAWS? UH, SURE. UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR. UH, MR. RODRIGUEZ, THE, WITHOUT SPLITTING THE LOT, IT WOULD BE FOUR UNDER SB NINE, WHICH IS, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR A DUPLEX AND TWO, UH, TWO, UH, DETACHED ADUS. THE DENSITY IN THAT LOT DOES ALLOW FOR A SUBDIVISION, BUT AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, THE FIRE TURNAROUND REQUIREMENT PROHIBITS ANYTHING ELSE FROM HAPPENING WITHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF 17TH STREET IN THIS LOCATION. SO THE MAX WOULD BE FOUR UNDER THE, UNDER THE CURRENT, YEAH. BUT THE, THE OWNER WOULD HAVE TO LIVE THERE. THANK YOU. UM, I'M VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF DEVELOPMENT AND YOU KNOW, WE JUST WENT THROUGH A FOCUS, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. UM, LAST YEAR WE HAD IT GOING ON FOR THREE YEARS. WE HAD ROBUST DISCUSSIONS. WE ACTUALLY UPZONED A LOT OF OUR TRANSIT CORRIDORS TO ALLOW FOR DENSER DEVELOPMENT. AND WE EVEN CREATED A, A HOUSE NATIONAL CITY PROGRAM TO ALLOW FOR EVEN DENSER DEVELOPMENT ON TRANSIT CORRIDORS. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR ME, I'M VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF DEVELOPMENT. WHAT I, THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS THE, UH, PERCEPTION OF SPOT ZONING. BECAUSE WE'VE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THIS, THIS PARTICULAR YEAR AND LAST YEAR WITH ANOTHER PROJECT WHERE WE ARE SEEMINGLY CHANGING THE RULES BASED ON WHATEVER ARBITRARY THING WE BELIEVE. AND I THINK WE SHOULD GO THROUGH OUR ZONING EXERCISES LIKE WE HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES. UM, THINK OF IT THOROUGHLY MODIFY THE ZONING OF NEED BE AND, AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND, AND, AND MOVE FORWARD. BUT I THINK DOING THIS ARBITRARILY AND MOVING IT BACK AND FORTH CREATES A LOT OF ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT I THINK, UH, UH, SO I, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST BE MUCH MORE CONSISTENT AND, YOU KNOW, TO THE APPLICANTS, IF, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, YOU'RE ABLE TO DEVELOP. IF NOT, YOU'RE STILL ABLE TO DEVELOP A LOT OF UNITS, RIGHT? SO FOUR UNITS ON THE PROPERTY, SO IT ISN'T ANTI-DEVELOPMENT. I JUST WISH WE WOULD HAVE MORE CONSISTENCY AND WOULD NOT DO SPOT ZONING. AND WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THIS JUST THIS PAST YEAR. THANK YOU. MEMBER BUSH. YES. UM, UM, AND THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. I APPRECIATE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DE THIS YAMANI BECAUSE THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT. SO I WANNA, UM, RESPECT THAT. AND I, I HEAR YOU ABOUT YOUR OPPOSITION AND, UM, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS THAT, UH, EMAILED AND, AND HAD CONCERNS. UH, THE ONE THAT CAME BEFORE US ABOUT, UH, UM, UH, TRAFFIC AND PARKING. I, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THE CITY STAFF DID A GOOD JOB AND ANALYZING THE PROJECT. UM, I ALSO DO AG AGREE WITH YOU? I DON'T AGREE WITH THE MAYOR'S CHARACTERIZATION OF SACRAMENTO. WE ALWAYS BATTLE ABOUT THIS, ABOUT SACRAMENTO 'CAUSE WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS AND I THINK THE, OUR STATE LEADERS, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE DOING MORE OF A JOB AND, UM, AND, UM, ALLOWING PROPERTY OWNERS TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY. AND YES, YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE, UH, CHARACTER. AND I THINK THIS PROJECT DOES THAT. WE WENT THROUGH, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION. THEY APPROVED, WE WENT THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE ANALYSIS, STAFFED IT, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU MR. MARTIN READER AND YOUR STAFF FOR YOUR, UH, AS AND, UH, UH, MR. WELCH. I, IT'S LOOKING AT YOUR, IT SAYS LAMB AND NO, BUT, UH, MR. DAVID WELCH, UM, FOR YOUR ANALYSIS ON THIS BECAUSE NO, I WILL ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ. THIS WAS NOT ARBITRARY. THIS WENT THROUGH A FULL PROCESS. I DON'T THINK IT'S SPOT ZONING EITHER THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT CHARACTERIZATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ONE PARCEL, IT IS AN ENTIRE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD OR A SUBSET OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT INCLUDES APARTMENTS AND INCLUDES MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL. SO I DON'T THINK THAT SPOT ZONING, I DON'T THINK IT'S, UH, ARBITRARY. I DON'T THINK OUR STAFF WOULD ARBITRARILY DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND SO I DISAGREE WITH ALL THAT. UH, CHARACTERIZATION. I APPRECIATE THE PROFESSIONALISM OF OUR STAFF. I THINK IT'S PRETTY GROSS THAT SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT CONTINUE TO COME UP HERE IN INSULTING THEM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE OUTSIDE AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THEIR OWN PROPERTIES THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BUY DOWN ZONE IN THE NEXT DOOR TO. SO I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THAT. BUT, UH, THERE'S, AT THE END OF THE DAY, LOOKING AT THIS, UM, ON, UH, PROJECT [01:50:01] BY, UH, PROJECT, UH, BASIS. UM, I DON'T THINK THIS IS ARBITRARY. YES. IN, IN 2011, WE, WE HAD A GENERAL PLAN UPDATE WAY BEFORE I GOT I I GOT ON COUNCIL AND THE GENERAL PLAN COVERS THE ENTIRE CITY. SO SOMETIMES YOU DO MISS THESE, THESE SPOTS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THANK YOU TO THE, TO THE FAMILY AND THE APPLICANTS FOR COMING HERE. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO LIVING HERE AND BUILDING A HOME FOR YOUR FAMILY. WE, AGAIN, HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS. AND SO, UH, THE MORE UNITS, THE BETTER. AND OF COURSE WE WANNA BALANCE THAT OFF WITH THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, LOOK AT, UH, THE HOMELESS ON THE STREET, LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON. A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING FOR PEOPLE AND THIS PROPOSAL DOES THAT. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVE THIS PROJECT. AND I THINK THE ACTIONS WERE THE, UM, CERTIFYING THE MND AND THEN I APPROVING THE RESOLUTION. IS THAT THE, IS THAT CORRECT? IT WAS AN ND YES, BUT CORRECT. I'M SORRY. IT WAS AN ND NOT AN MND. IT'S JUST, JUST A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, NOT A MITIGATED. OH, I'M SORRY. THANK THAT'S, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I STAND CORRECTED. SO THAT'S MY MOTION. YEAH. UH, THERE'S TWO MOTIONS. SO ONE IS FOR THE CERTIFICATION AND, AND THE RESOLUTION. AND THE OTHER IS FOR THE ORDINANCE, FOR THE ZONE CHANGE ONE'S, ONE'S TO APPROVE THE RESO, ONE'S TO, UH, INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE, IF THAT'S YOUR CHOICE. UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND INTRODUCE THE, UH, ZONING CHANGE APPROVED, UH, RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. OH, IT HAS TO BE TWO DIFFERENT, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S, OH, I GOT IT. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE OR CERTIFY, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO, YEAH, IT'S RESOLUTION TO, UM, CERTIFY THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND THEN APPROVE THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT. OH, OKAY. YES. THAT. SO, BUT THAT'S THE FIRST PART. THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S THE FIRST. OKAY. FIRST ONE. GOT IT. OKAY. SO I MAY MAKE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT? I SECOND. OKAY. UM, THERE IT GOES. CAN I MAKE A COMMENT, MAYOR? YES. UH, I JUST WANNA THANK EVERYBODY WITH THEIR COMMENTS. THANK YOU FOR COMING BEFORE US. UH, I DO APPRECIATE HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT AND HEARING THAT YOU HAVE, UH, HEARD FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS AND THAT YOU DO UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS REGARDING PARKING AND THAT YOU HAVE, UH, MADE CONSIDERATIONS TO YOUR PLANS SO THAT YOU DON'T IMPACT, UM, THE PARKING SITUATION. SO I, I DO APPRECIATE HEARING THAT. UH, ALSO THAT YOU WILL BE RECITING IN THE PROPERTY. YOU WILL MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, UH, YOUR FOOTPRINT HERE IN NATIONAL CITY AND CONTINUE TO MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE. UM, THAT THIS IS A AREA THAT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR SO VERY LONG. AND TO HEAR NOW THAT THERE WILL BE PLANS, UH, TO HAVE HOMES THERE, I THINK, THINK IS A VERY GOOD PLAN. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SEEING NO OTHER. OKAY. NO DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED BY THREE TO TWO VOTE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI AND RODRIGUEZ VOTING. NO. OKAY. NOW THERE'S A SECOND MOTION NEEDED. IS THAT YES. OKAY. I'M TRYING TO, I LOST MY PLACE 'CAUSE I'D RATHER READ SO I DON'T MESS UP THE OH, THANK, THANK, THANK YOU. SO I MAKE A MOTION TO INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE, CHANGING THE ZONE FROM MARS. UH, TWO, UH, TO MX ONE. I JUST, THE FIRST I SECOND INTRODUCTION? YES. OKAY. YOU GOT ANYTHING TO SAY OR NOT? 'CAUSE I, I SAW YOU START TO GO FOR YOUR, SORRY NOT TO BE NITPICKY MX C ONE, BUT I, I, I GOT, I MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE ZONE FROM, UH, FROM RS RS TWO TO MXC. ONE SECOND. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED BY THREE TO TWO VOTE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI AND RODRIGUEZ VOTING. NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT CONGRATULATIONS TO THE APPLICANTS INTRODUCTION. YEAH, THAT'S JUST AN INTRODUCTION. THAT'S JUST AN INTRODUCTION, YEAH. ON THE ORDINANCE ON THAT . OKAY. UM, I JUST LOOKING, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY REQUESTS FOR TRANSLATION. SO WE CAN, WE CAN RELEASE THE, UH, TRANSLATOR. I DON'T KNOW. MAYOR, I'M SORRY. DO WE HAVE WE NEED TRANSLATION? DO WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH, ARE, ARE USING THE, UH, OKAY. WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE, WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE TRANSLATOR THEN, MR. MAYOR. AND CAN WE PLEASE, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THE OVERFLOW ROOM IS BEING UTILIZED? I THOUGHT WE ALREADY HANDLED THAT EARLIER IN THE MEETING. I KNOW THIS IS, I I THINK FOLKS ARE JUST SITTING AROUND IN THE HALLWAY. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A SAFER THING FOR THEM TO BE IN THE ROOM [01:55:01] WHERE THEY'RE INTENDED TO BE. YEAH. ALRIGHT. I'M, AGAIN, I'M OKAY WITH THE OVERFLOW ROOM AND, AND I, I TALKED TO YOU JOSE AND STEVE SAID THAT, UH, HE AGREED. SO THAT'S WHY I'M JUST TRYING TO LIKE, YEAH. BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE OVERFLOW ROOM SHOULD BE USED, BUT AT THE END I WANT TO TRY TO, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO ON TO TEN TWO. I THINK WE DO 10. I THINK SO. WE'LL TALK TO THE MANAGER. OKAY. TEN, TEN ONE. RIGHT? OH, SORRY. I'M SORRY. TEN ONE TEN ONE. YES. DIRECTION FROM YOU GUYS. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT HE'S GOT. I SAID THAT I, I TOLD HIM IT WASN'T MY DIRECTION. OKAY. BE QUIET FOR A MOMENT. WE'RE GONNA GO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. [10.1 Adoption and Second Reading of an Ordinance Amending Table 18.24.040 A and Table 18.24.040 D of Title 18 (Zoning) of the Municipal Code Related to Maximum Height and Number of Stories in the MXC-1 and MXD-1 Zones.] NEXT ITEM. WE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING TEN ONE. AND, UH, THIS ONE SHOULD GO QUICKLY AND, UH, THIS IS AN ADOPTION AND SECOND READING OF AN AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TABLE EIGHT 18.2 4.040 AND A TABLE 18 TWO, UH, 18 2 4 0 4 OH D OF TITLE 18 ZONING AND THE MUNICIPAL CODE RELATED TO MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND NUMBER OF STORIES IN THE MXC ONE AND THE MXD ONE ZONES. AND, UH, WITH THAT, YEAH, STAFF HAS NO REPORT. WE'RE RECOMMENDING ADOPTION BASED ON YOUR INTRODUCTION AND PUBLIC HEARING AT THE LAST MEETING. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, WITH THAT, UH, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKERS AND I DON'T SEE ANYONE, ANYONE ON ZOOM EITHER. SO WITH THAT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. AND, OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE YOU UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT. UM, WITH THAT THERE, WE DO HAVE A, AN ADOPTION ON THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT, UH, ITEM 10.1 SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND SEEING NO DISCUSSION AND I REALLY WANNA COMMEND THE STAFF FOR WORKING ON THIS ITEM. IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, KIND OF NO BRAINER TO ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF FOUR STORIES INSTEAD OF THREE ON 50, UH, FOOT TALL BUILDINGS. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS. ALRIGHT, WE DO HAVE THE MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. I TOLD YOU THAT ONE WOULD BE QUICK. [10.2 Public Hearing to Consider of a Final EIR to Assess Project Impacts & Appeal a Planning Commission Denial of a Conditional Use Permit & Coastal Development Permit for a Proposed Fuel Transfer Facility Within BNSF Railroad Right-of-Way on BNSF Property.] NOW WE GO TO TEN TWO. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER, UH, OF A FINAL EIR TO ASSESS PROJECT IMPACTS AND APPEAL, A PLANNING COMMISSION DENIAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT OF A PROPOSED FUEL TRANSFER FACILITY WITHIN BNSF. RIGHT. UH, RAILROAD RIGHT OF ON BNSF PROPERTY. WITH THAT, UM, THE, UH, WE SHOULD DO DISCLOSURES PROBABLY BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE. I KNOW THAT, UH, I, I RECEIVED, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, UH, SIGNS WILL EITHER NEED TO BE AGAINST THE WALL OR TO THE BACK WALL OR THE SIDEWALLS, BUT NOT IN THE MIDDLES. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE YOU BLOCK PEOPLE'S VIEW. THANK YOU. UM, THE, UH, UM, I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS. UM, VAST MAJORITY OF THEM, I WOULD SAY ALMOST ALL OF THEM WERE FORM LETTER EMAIL THAT CAME FROM, SOME OF 'EM WERE LOCAL AND SOME OF 'EM WERE OUTTA STATE AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF IT, I DIDN'T GET THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT THEY WERE AT LEAST 50 AND I THINK PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT. I DID RECEIVE A COUPLE THAT WERE ACTUALLY INDIVIDUALIZED. AND I THINK IT WAS ONLY ABOUT TWO OR THREE OF THOSE WHERE THEY ACTUALLY WROTE THEIR OWN WORDS. UM, AND THEN I ALSO RECEIVED SOME THAT WAS IN FAVOR. I DID HAVE A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS. THE PROPONENT DID CALL ME UP AND THIS WAS LIKE, I THINK JANUARY OF LAST YEAR. JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF. I DID LISTEN TO 'EM. UH, I DID HEAR BASICALLY THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE SEEING IN HERE. AND THE ONLY THING THAT I TALKED BACK TO THEM AND, UH, THEY DID A COUPLE MORE CALLS WAS JUST WHAT OUR PROCEDURE WOULD BE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS EVENING. OKAY. SO THAT WAS MY DISCLOSURE IF ANYONE ELSE GOT ANYTHING. HUH? MR. MAYOR. SAY WHAT WITH NO, UH, NO DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH THE OPPONENT OTHER THAN THE, UH, EMAILS. MR. MAYOR? UH, YES, I MET MULTIPLE TIMES WITH, UH, THE DEVELOPERS AS WELL AS WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS. UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COALITION AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WOULD FLAG ME OVER AT KIMBALL SCHOOL. OKAY. UH, OVER HERE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YES. I ALSO MET WITH, UH, SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF WITH, UH, THE DEVELOPERS AS WELL AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS. UH, AND I DID LISTEN INTO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, WHERE THIS, UM, [02:00:01] THIS TOPIC WAS DISCUSSED. THANK YOU. I ALSO MET WITH THE APPLICANT. I MET WITH THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COALITION. UM, AND I ATTENDED, UH, THE, UH, SEVERAL OF THE, UH, PUBLIC FORM WORKSHOPS SUCH AS THE ONE IN THE LIBRARY. YEAH. I ALSO ATTENDED THAT WORKSHOP, WHICH I SHOULD, SHOULD DISCLOSE THAT. YES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, I MET WITH THE APPLICANT. I DROVE THE AREA. I ANSWERED ABOUT 96, UH, EMAIL E-BLASTS THAT I RECEIVED, JUST LETTING THEM KNOW THAT I RECEIVED THEIR EMAIL. UM, RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS, UM, AFTER THAT, UM, WENT, WENT TO THE WORKSHOP AND, UH, LISTENED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. THANK YOU. OKAY, WITH THAT THEN, UH, STAFF REPORT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. MY NAME IS DAVE WELCH. I'M WITH THE PLANNING DIVISION. UM, ITEM 10.2 IS AN APPEAL OF A PLANNING, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION DENIAL OF, UH, PROJECT. UM, THIS WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE A FINAL EIR TO ASSESS THE PROJECT'S IMPACTS AS WELL AS THE APPEAL. UM, MOVING FORWARD. UM, PREVIOUS ACTION, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO CERTIFY THE FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT ON SEPTEMBER 15TH. AT THE SAME MEETING, THEY ALSO, UH, VOTED TO DENY REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND COASTAL DEV, UH, CO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. UM, WE DID HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS AT PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL. UH, OVER 30 PEOPLE SPOKE MOST, MOST OF WHICH WERE OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT. UM, AND THE PROJECT IS A TRANSFER FACILITY, UH, FOR FUEL. UM, BUT LET'S GET INTO THE DETAILS. UM, SITE CHARACTERISTICS, UH, THE SITE'S ABOUT SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES AND SIZE, UH, INCLUDES BOTH EXISTING RAILWAY FOR BNSF AND ADJACENT PROPERTY, ALSO OWNED BY BNSF. A PORTION OF THE SITE WAS A, UH, DEPARTMENT TOXIC SUBSTANCE CONTROL CLEANUP SITE, UM, THAT HAS BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED. UM, SITE IS FORMERLY INDUSTRIAL, MOSTLY DISTURBED LAND, SO NO GREENFIELD HERE. UM, THE SURROUNDING AREA IS MOSTLY INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING. UH, THERE IS SOME TOURIST SUPPORTING COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH. THAT'S OUR BLE COASTAL EATERY. THE, THE MARINA, THE HOTELS. UM, THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL TO THE PROJECT IS MCKINLEY APARTMENTS. THAT'S 380 FEET TO THE EAST. UM, THERE ARE SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, APPROXIMATELY 900 FEET TO THE SOUTH. UH, THERE MAY BE ONE OR TWO OTHERS THAT ARE A LITTLE CLOSER AS WELL. AND THE NEAREST, UH, SCHOOLS, UH, ACROSS I FIVE TO THE EAST, JUST UNDER HALF A MILE AWAY. SO HERE'S AN OVERHEAD OF THE SITE. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S KIND OF LONG AND NARROW. MOST OF IT'S OCCUPIED BY, UH, RAILWAY AND PROPOSED, UH, ADDITIONAL TRACKS. AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE THERE, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE MAIN LOCATION OF THE FIELD TRANSFER FACILITY THAT'S PROPOSED. UM, SOME PHOTOS OF THE SITE. AS YOU CAN SEE. UM, THESE ARE FROM WEST 19TH STREET. UH, MOSTLY VACANT, UH, OR ENTIRELY VACANT. UH, MOSTLY DIRT DISTURBED LAND, FORMERLY INDUSTRIAL. UH, A COUPLE OTHER VIEWS. ONE FROM THE END OF WEST 18TH STREET, UH, AND FROM CIVIC CENTER DRIVE, AGAIN, RAIL PROPERTY. UH, MOSTLY VACANT AND DISTURBED. SO WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL? UH, THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS SAN DIEGO CLEAN FUELS, UH, FACILITY, LLC. UM, ALSO THE PARENT COMPANY'S USD CLEAN FUELS. I KNOW THAT NAME HAS BEEN USED A LOT. UH, THEY PROPOSE TO CONSTRUCT A TRANSLOADING FACILITY FOR RENEWABLE FUELS. UH, FUEL WILL BE TRANSFERRED FROM RAIL CARS TO TRUCKS, AND THEY WOULD DELIVER TO SERVICE STATIONS WITHIN THE SAN DIEGO MARKET. OPERATIONS WOULD BE 24 HOURS A DAY. TRUCKS ARE PLANNED TO PRIMARILY ENTER THE SITE DURING OFF STREET, OFF PEAK TRAFFIC HOURS TO AVOID CONGESTION. UH, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF TRUCKS ENTERING THE SITE DAILY WILL BE 72, UH, AND A THROUGHPUT CAPACITY FOR THE FACILITY OF 13,800 BARRELS OF FUEL PER DAY. UM, SOME OF THE PROPOSED SAFETY MEASURES INCLUDE A FUEL CONTAINMENT BASIN, UH, THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HOLD UP TO 110% OF A RAIL CAR VOLUME, IN CASE ANY FUEL SPILLS AS WELL AS A FIREFIGHTING PLATFORM. LET'S TALK ABOUT ALTERNATIVE FUELS A LITTLE BIT. UM, SO CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD CARB, UH, THEY DID ADOPT A LOW CARBON FUEL STANDARD. UH, THIS IS AN INTERIM MEASURE TO HELP REDUCE EMISSIONS WHILE ZERO EMISSIONS TECHNOLOGY CONTINUES TO ADVANCE. UM, THE ACTIVITIES OF CARB ARE MAINLY IN RESPONSE TO AB 32, THE GREENHOUSE GAS, UH, EMISSIONS REDUCTION FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. SO THE PROJECT WOULD DELIVER ALTERNATIVE BIOFUELS TO THE MARKET. THIS INCLUDES RENEW RENEWABLE DIESEL BIODIESEL, SUSTAINABLE AVIATION FUEL. UM, THESE PRODUCTS CAN BE PRODUCED WITH OIL, FAT, GREASES, ALGAE, ET CETERA. SOME MORE NATURAL PRODUCTS. UM, THESE ARE INTENDED TO BE DROP IN BIOFUELS. UH, SO THAT MEANS YOU DON'T HAVE TO MODIFY YOUR EXISTING ENGINE TO USE THESE TYPES OF FUELS. [02:05:01] UM, AND THEY CAN REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BY UP TO 80% WHEN THEY'RE IN USE. LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS. UH, I THINK IT SHOULD BE STATED THAT A REDUCTION IN MISSIONS AT A REGIONAL LEVEL, UH, DOES NOT NECESSARILY TRANSLATE TO A DIRECT REDUCTION AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. UM, WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE EFFORTS WITHIN THE CITY FOR IMPROVED HEALTH OUTCOMES AND REDUCED AIR POLLUTIONS. THIS INCLUDES ADOPTING THE WEST SIDE SPECIFIC PLAN, UH, WHICH IS INTENDED TO PROTECT EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, OUR AMORTIZATION PROGRAM TO, UH, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF POLLUTING BUSINESSES IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. UH, THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY WAS ALSO AN EARLY ADOPTER OF A HEALTH ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ELEMENT WITHIN THE GENERAL PLAN. THIS HAPPENED BEFORE THE STATE REQUIRED IT FOR EVERY CITY. UM, WE ALSO HAD OUR AB SIX 17 PORT SIDE COMMUNITY, UM, WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE COMMUNITY EMISSIONS REDUCTION PLAN. UH, THAT'S INCLUDING NATIONAL CITY AND THE NEIGHBORING PORTIONS OF CITY OF SAN DIEGO. UH, WE ALSO RECENTLY HAD OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE. UH, I THINK THAT WAS IN 2023 OR LAST YEAR. UM, THE PROPOSED PROJECT DOES PROPOSE TO UTILIZE DIESEL POWERED TRUCK TRIPS, FACIL FACILITY OPERATION. UM, SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, WHICH WOULD BE THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE. THAT IS CIVIC CENTER DRIVE. UH, THERE WOULD BE A SECOND CROSSING THERE, UH, TO EXPAND THE RAIL A LITTLE BIT. UM, AND THEN HIGHLIGHTED AT A RED WOULD BE A NUMBER OF NEW RAIL SPURS THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE ACTIVITIES TAKING PLACE AT THE SITE. UM, AND THE BLUE CIRCLE WOULD BE THE LOCATION OF THE TRANSFER FACILITY ITSELF. UM, ZOOMING IN, UH, THE RED AGAIN IS THE NEW RAIL SPURS TO ADD MORE CAPACITY TO STORE RAIL CARS. UM, THE GREEN, UH, RAIL LINES WOULD BE FOR WHERE THE RAIL CARS WOULD HAVE, UM, THEIR FUEL UNLOADED THROUGH PUMPS. UM, AND THEN THE BLUE AREA, WE HAVE A SMALL OFFICE BUILDING AND THEN, UH, FOUR SPACES FOR TRUCKS TO LOAD THE FUEL ONTO THEM. UH, TRUCKS WILL ENTER THE SITE FROM, UH, WEST 18TH STREET ON THE LEFT AND EXIT FROM WEST 19TH ON THE RIGHT. SO THE PROPOSED PROJECT, UH, REQUESTS APPROVAL OF A FUEL TRANSFER FACILITY. THIS IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE MEDIA MANUFACTURING ZONE WITH APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE DOING A DISCRETIONARY PERMIT IN OUR COASTAL ZONE, YOU ALSO HAVE TO DO A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. UH, AND THERE ARE A TOTAL OF SIX FINDINGS RELATED TO THE CUP AND CDP. GOING TO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION. THEY DENIED THE PROJECT WITH THESE FINDINGS. UH, SO THEY DEEMED THAT THE USE WAS NOT ESSENTIAL AND DESIRABLE TO PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND WELFARE. THAT'S FOR THE CUP. UH, THEY DEEMED THAT THE PROPOSED USE WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON ADJACENT OR ABUTTING PROPERTIES. AGAIN, FOR THE CUP, UM, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM RESIDENTS THAT WERE POTENTIALLY AFFECTED BY THE PROPOSED PROJECT WERE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. SO ACKNOWLEDGING OUR HEALTH, HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ELEMENT, UH, AGAIN FOR THE COP. AND THEN FINALLY FOR THE CDP, UH, SAYING THAT THE PROJECT IS INCONSISTENT WITH APPLICABLE PLANS AND ORDINANCE WITHIN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. SO LET'S LOOK AT THE ANALYSIS AGAIN. UM, FOR THE GENERAL PLAN. THE PROJECT IS IN AN INDUSTRIAL LAND USE EXPLANATION WITHIN THE CITY CITY'S GENERAL PLAN. UM, THE GENERAL PLAN IS COMPRISED OF SEVERAL ELEMENTS. STAFF PROVIDED A OVERVIEW OF QUITE A FEW GENERAL PLAN POLICIES WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT. UM, THE MAIN CONCLUSIONS ARE THAT, UH, CONCERNS RELATED TO HABITAT, HABITAT OR OPEN SPACE NUISANCES FROM THE FACILITY, TRANSPORTATION OR TRAFFIC. THEY WERE LARGELY DISCUSSED AND ADDRESSED THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT THAT WAS PREPARED. UM, THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL NUISANCES. UH, SO AN OPERATIONS PLAN WILL BE REQUIRED OF THE APPLICANT. UH, THEY'LL HAVE TO ADHERE TO TRUCK ROUTES SO THAT THEY'RE NOT, UH, BRINGING TRUCKS THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE BUFFERING, SCREENING WALLS, THAT SORT OF THING. UM, AND THEN FINALLY THE PROJECT ALSO ALIGNS WITH SOME OF OUR GENERAL PLAN POLICIES. UM, THIS WOULD INCLUDE OUR GENERAL PLAN INSTRUCTS TO, UH, FIND PROJECTS THAT CAN REUSE PREVIOUSLY CONTAMINATED SITES. UH, THERE ARE GENERAL PLAN POLICIES RELATED TO THE EFFICIENT MOVEMENT OF GOODS, UM, WHICH IS THIS PROJECT DOES WITH THE RAIL MOVING FORWARD. UH, SO THERE WERE SPECIFIC CONCERNS WITH THE PROJECT THAT RELATE TO THE HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN. UM, SO I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THREE, UM, POLICY 1.2 STATES. UH, THE CITY SHOULD CONSIDER ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ISSUES AS THEY'RE RELATED TO POTENTIAL HEALTH IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH LAND USE DECISIONS, UH, REDUCE ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES, AND OTHER UNDESIRABLE LAND USES ON RESIDENTS REGARDLESS OF AGE, CULTURE, ETHNICITY, GENDER, RACE, SOCIO ECONOMIC STATUS, OR GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION. UM, 1.5 SAYS, PROMOTE THE INCLUSION OF POTENTIALLY AFFECTED COMMUNITY RESIDENTS IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS. UH, 2.6 SAYS, CONSIDER AIR QUALITY IMPACTS, INCLUDING CUMULATIVE IMPACTS FROM EXISTING AND NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO I'LL SAY THAT THE [02:10:01] HEJ, WHILE IT WAS AHEAD OF IT, ITS TIME. IT DOES TAKE A MORE SUGGESTIVE APPROACH FOR OUR POLICY MAKERS. UH, CONSIDER, ENCOURAGE, PROMOTE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION MAY NOW ALWAYS BE CLEAR AS TO HOW TO DO SO, DO THESE THINGS. UM, THE EIR DID INCLUDE ASSESSMENTS ON HEALTH CONCERNS RELATED TO THE PROPOSED INDUSTRIAL USE AND THE INCREASED TRUCK TRAFFIC. UH, CANCER RISK, CHRONIC HEALTH HAZARDS AND ACUTE HEALTH HAZARDS WERE ALL ANALYZED AND FOUND TO BE LESS AND SIGNIFICANT. HOWEVER, THE H-E-J-H-E-J POLICY, I JUST RED SEEKS TO REDUCE SUCH HAZARDS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. UM, MOVING FORWARD INTO OUR LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM AND THE COASTAL ACT. UM, PRIOR TO, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION HOLDING A HEARING ON THIS, WE DID HAVE CONCERNS FROM THE CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION ON THIS PROJECT. UM, THESE CONCERNS WERE THE APPEAL, APPEAL ABILITY OF THE PROJECT, MAKING IT CLEAR THAT SHOULD THE PROJECT BE APPROVED, IT IS ELIGIBLE TO BE APPEALED TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION, UH, ENSURING THAT IT'S ALLOWED USE WITH, UH, CONCERNS OVER WETLAND. UM, A WETLAND DELINEATION, UH, DONE BY ENVIRONMENTAL PROFESSIONALS WAS COMPLETED BACK IN JULY. UH, BOTH THE PROFESSIONALS AND THE COASTAL COMMISSION AGREED THAT THERE WAS NOT A WETLAND ON SITE. UM, THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT ADDRESSING ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. UM, THIS WAS ANALYZED IN THE STAFF REPORT. WE ADDED MORE INFORMATION. UH, COASTAL ACT INCLUDES AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE POLICY AS WELL, UH, AND FINALLY, COASTAL HAZARDS. UM, WHILE THE CUP OR THE E ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO TALK TOO MUCH ABOUT SEA LEVEL RISE, THE COASTAL ACT DOES. AND SO, UM, UPON FURTHER ANALYSIS, UH, CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD TERMINATE THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AFTER 30 YEARS WAS ADDED TO THIS PROJECT. UH, GIVEN CONCERNS OVER FORECASTED SEA LEVEL RISE IN THE MORE DISTANT FUTURE. CONTINUING ON, THERE ARE SEVERAL POLICIES IN THE LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM OF THE CITY, AS WELL AS THE COASTAL ACT. THESE ARE DISCUSSED IN THE STAFF REPORT. UH, FOR THE MOST PART, THE PROJECT HAS VERY LITTLE TO NO EFFECT. UM, IT'S NOT AFFECTING ACCESS TO ANY RECREATION POSSIBILITIES. IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF INDUSTRIAL ZONE. UM, IT'S NOT ON THE WATER. THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE THREAT TO THE MARINE ENVIRONMENT. STORM WATER MANAGEMENT WOULD BE IN PLACE, UM, WITH MITIGATION. ANY LAND RESOURCES WOULD BE UNAFFECTED. THERE WOULD BE SITE MONITORING, UH, SHOULD ANY, UH, ARCHEOLOGICAL OR PALEONTOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES BE MADE. UM, AND THE SITE IS ALREADY VISUALLY DEGRADED. SO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD, IN A WAY, CLEAN THE SITE UP. FINALLY, THE LAND USE CODE, OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND SITES IN THE BD MANUFACTURING ZONE. UH, THIS TYPE OF USE IS PERMITTED WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE CUP. UH, THERE ARE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE ZONE, SUCH AS THE SIZE, UH, SETBACKS, UM, FAR, THE INTENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE RAIL YARD OF IT, IT EASILY MEETS THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS AND SETBACKS, UM, IS A SMALL OFFICE THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED AND PERMITTED AS A PERMANENT, PERMANENT STRUCTURE. APPLICANT IS PROVIDING PARKING SPACES, INCLUDING ONE, UH, FOR EV VEHICLES. UM, AND THEN STAFF WILL LOOK AT, UM, ADDITIONAL ITEMS IN THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS SHOULD IT BE APPROVED. UM, FINALLY WE HAVE OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. UM, SO LOOKING AT THE GREENHOUSE GASES, UM, PROJECT WILL RESULT IN ABOUT 282 METRIC TONS PER YEAR OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS DURING CONSTRUCTION, AND ABOUT 1,633 METRIC TONS PER YEAR DURING OPERATION. ALMOST ALL OF THESE EMISSIONS ARE FROM MOBILE SOURCES, WHICH SHOULD BE TRUCK TRAFFIC AND RAIL. SO THIS AMOUNT IS BELOW THE SIGNIFICANT THRESHOLDS RECOMMENDED IN OUR CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. UH, IT ALSO SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE FUEL THAT'S DELIVERED WILL HELP TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. UM, AND THEN ALSO SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WHILE REQUIRING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, ANOTHER PROJECT ON THE SITE THAT MIGHT BE PERMITTED BY USE WOULD HAVE A SIMILAR INTENSITY, UH, COULD HAVE A SIMILAR NUMBER OF TRUCKS UTILIZING IT. UM, SO IT'S NOT MORE INTENSE THAN WOULD WHAT WOULD ORDINARILY BE ALLOWED ON THE SITE. UH, LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY EMISSIONS REDUCTION PLAN, UH, THIS WAS FOR THE AB SIX 17 PORTSIDE COMMUNITY. SO IT INVOLVES MORE THAN JUST NATIONAL CITY. UM, AB SIX 17 WAS PASSED TO CREATE COMMUNITY FOCUS AND COMMUNITY DRIVEN ACTION TO REDUCE AIR POLLUTION, IMPROVE PUBLIC HEALTH. UH, OUR LOCAL AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT DOMINATED THE PORT SIDE COMMUNITY. THIS INCLUDES NATIONAL CITY. UH, IT'S NOTED IN THE PLAN THAT POLLUTION AND AIRPORT AIR QUALITY ARE HEAVILY A RESULT OF MOBILE SOURCES SUCH AS HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC, BUT AS ALSO STATIONARY SOURCES SUCH AS HEAVY INDUSTRIES. UM, DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER DPN IS A KNOWN CARCINOGEN. THIS IS OF ACUTE CONCERN DUE TO THE VARIETY OF DIESEL POWERED VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT OPERATED IN THE [02:15:01] AREA. UM, RESIDENTS THAT EXPERIENCE HIGHER RATES OF POVERTY ARE ALSO LESS LIKELY TO HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH THE ADDITIONAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH HEALTH PROBLEMS CAUSED BY AIR POLLUTION. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. UM, STAFF ENCOURAGES THAT, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, CONSIDER THE SERP DURING THIS, UM, UH, ITEM, UH, DUE TO THE CITY'S DIRECT PARTICIPATION IN THE APPROVAL, WE WERE A PART OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE. UM, NOTABLE GOALS OF THE SERP INCLUDE AN 80% REDUCTION IN DPM AS WELL AS A HUNDRED PERCENT ADOPTION OF ZERO EMISSION MEDIUM AND HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS FIVE YEARS AHEAD OF THE STATE. UM, SO FAR THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIS PLAN INCLUDE SUPPORT OF FREE RIDE AROUND NATIONAL CITY. THAT'S A ZERO MISSION SHUTTLE PROGRAM. ALSO, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SEVERAL ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, BIKE LANES, PEDESTRIAN, UM, PROJECTS AND SUCH. UH, THE PROPOSED PROJECT ADHERES TO THE ACTION ITEMS FOUND ON THE SERP. HOWEVER, IT DOES PREVE PRESENT A CONFLICT WITH THE OVERARCHING GOALS OF THE PLAN. YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT INCREASES EMISSION WHILE THE SERP SEEKS TO DECREASE EMISSIONS IN THE AREA. OTHER CONSIDERATIONS ON THE PROJECT. SO THE APPLICANT HAS VOLUNTARILY COMMITTED TO PROVIDING AN ECONOMIC BE BENEFIT TO THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. THE AMOUNT OF $200,000 ANNUALLY FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING WITHIN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND THE DRAFT RESOLUTION TO USE THESE FUNDS TOWARDS, UH, PROJECTS THAT CAN HELP DEAL WITH AIR QUALITY ISSUES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE VICINITY OF THIS PROJECT. UM, SO THAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THAT. UH, MOVING ON TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW THAT WAS DONE. UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A RESOLUTION CERTIFYING THE FINAL EIR, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION HAD ALREADY DONE SO, BUT AS THE PROVING BODY COUNCIL MUST DO SO AS WELL. UH, WE HAD OUR PUBLIC REVIEW PERIOD, UH, STARTING BACK IN DECEMBER. UH, ALL RESPONSES TO COMMENTS FOR THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT WERE INCLUDED IN THE FINAL EIR. UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE IR OR THE MITIGATION MEASURES WERE MADE AS A RESULT OF THE COMMENTS. UM, ALL DOCUMENTS RELATED TO THE EIR WERE WERE PREPARED BY AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT. UH, WE ALSO HAD THE DRAFT EIR PEER REVIEWED BY ANOTHER CONSULTING FIRM. SO WHAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS, UM, ONE WAS BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES. THIS IS MAINLY IS THERE A PRESENCE OF, UH, CERTAIN SPECIES ON SITE OR ARE THERE THE POTENTIAL FOR NESTING BIRDS, ROOFING BATS, UM, THAT SORT OF THING. SO THE MITIGATION MEASURES RELATED TO THAT ARE JUST TO HAVE MONITORING AND PROPER PROCEDURES FOR DEALING WITH ANY PARTICULAR SPECIES THAT MIGHT BE ON SITE DURING CONSTRUCTION. UH, SECOND WAS GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. UH, THE CAP WAS BEING DEVELOPED AT THE SAME TIME OF THE PROJECT. SO MITIGATION MEASURE WAS INCLUDED TO MAKE SURE THE PROJECT REMAINED CONSISTENT WITH AN UPDATED CAP. AND THEN FINALLY, TRIBAL CULTURAL RESOURCES. UM, THERE ARE SOME MAP DEPOSITS, UH, BASICALLY SOILS FROM AN ERA THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CONTAIN ARCHEOLOGICAL ARTIFACTS. AGAIN, SITE MONITORING DURING OBSTRUCTION TO SEE IF ANYTHING IS DISCOVERED, UH, WHILE UH, SOILS ARE BEING REMOVED. COMMENTS ON THE PROJECT WERE RECEIVED FROM THE, UH, BUILDING DIVISION, ENGINEERING, FIRE AND PLANNING DIVISION. UH, THESE WERE STANDARD COMMENTS RELATED TO NEW DEV, NEW DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. UH, SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR REQUIREMENTS WERE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS. UH, SPECIFICALLY, UH, THE END OF WEST 18TH STREET, UM, FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THEN FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, SPECIALIZED FIRE SU SUPPRESSION EQUIPMENT TO DEAL WITH THE MATERIALS ON SITE. UH, APPLICANT WAS FORWARDED ALL THESE COMMENTS AND MADE AWARE OF THEM, AS WELL AS THE DRAFT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR THE PROJECT. UH, ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, ANY MITIGATION MEASURE IN THE EIR IS INCLUDED IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. UH, WE ALSO HAVE CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE OPERATIONAL STANDARDS OF THE PROPOSED FACILITY, MAKING SURE THEY ADHERE TO THE AMOUNT OF PRODUCT THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA MOVE, UH, THE NUMBER OF TRUCK TRIPS THEY SAID THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, MAKING SURE THEY COMPLETE THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT, ADHERENCE TO TRUCK ROUTES, ET CETERA. UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT TRUCK ROUTES. UM, I JUST HAVE A LITTLE EXCERPT ON THE CITY'S TRUCK ROUTE MAP. THE PINK IS THE PRIMARY TRUCK CROSS IN THE CITY, UM, WHICH WOULD BE BAY MARINA DRIVE, HIGHLANDS, UH, HARBOR DRIVE. AND THEN GREEN IS ALTERNATIVE ROUTES. SO THEY'RE TYPICALLY NOT USED. UM, THE APPLICANT'S SITE ON WEST 19TH STREET, UH, IS IN A LOCATION WHERE THEY CAN, UH, GO STRAIGHT TO THAILAND AND STRAIGHT TO CIVIC CENTER DRIVE TO GET RIGHT ON INTERSTATE FIVE. SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT WOULD GO INTO NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, WITH RESIDENTIAL BASED ON THE AVAILABLE ROUTES. IN SUMMARY, THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS A FUEL TRANSFER [02:20:01] FACILITY THAT'S TO BE LOCATED ON AN ADJACENT TO EXISTING BNSF RAILWAY. UM, UP TO 72 DIESEL POWERED TRUCKS MAY ENTER THE SITE EACH DAY. UH, IF THE PROJECT IS APPROVED, A PROJECT WILL PROVIDE ACCESS TO CLEANER TER ALTERNATIVE DIESEL FUELS FOR THE REGION. UH, THERE WASN'T ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT PREPARED AND NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS WERE IDENTIFIED. UH, WITHIN MITIGATION MEASURES IN PLACE, THE APPLICA APPLICANT'S ALSO VOLUNTEERING TO ENTER INTO AN ACADEMIC BENEFIT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY. SO THE OPTIONS FOR COUNSEL TONIGHT, UH, REGARDING THE CERTIFICATION OF THE IR CERTIFY, THE FINAL E-R-E-I-R FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT, UH, BASICALLY STATING IT'S BEEN COMPLETED AND PROCESSED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF CQA, UM, OR, UH, FIND THAT THE FINAL EIR FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED IN PROCESS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF CQA BASED ON FINDINGS THAT TO BE DETERMINED BY CITY COUNCIL OR CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. UH, JUST A NOTE CERTIFYING THE ER IS NOT A PROJECT APPROVAL, UH, APPROVAL OF THE C-P-C-D-P IS A SEPARATE ACTION, AND THAT SEPARATE ACTION WOULD BE FOR THE CDP AND CDP, UM, UH, COUNCIL CAN APPROVE THE APPEAL REVERSING THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION AND THEREBY APPROVING THE PROJECT, UM, BASED ON THE RESOLUTION OR COUNCIL COULD MODIFY CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OR MODIFY THE FINDINGS OF APPROVAL IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION. OR THE OTHER OPTION IS TO DENY THE APPEAL AND HOLD THE PLANNING COMMISS TO SEE DECISION TO DENY THE PROJECT BASED ON THE EXISTING PLANNING COMMISSION FINDINGS OR FINDINGS DETERMINED BY COUNCIL OR CONTINUE THE ITEM TO A SPECIFIC DATE IN ORDER TO OBTAIN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. UM, THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION, AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE ANY CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS TO THE STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME. OKAY, MOLINA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, THANK YOU DAVID FOR THE, UH, THOROUGH PRESENTATION. UM, JUST AN INITIAL QUESTION REGARDING THE EXISTING BNSF FACILITY. UM, SLIDE NUMBER FOUR SAYS INCLUDES EXISTING BNSF RAILWAY AND ADJACENT BNSF OWNED PROPERTY. AND THEN FURTHER DOWN, THERE'S A BIG PICTURE THAT SHOWS IN PINK THAT ACTUALLY ADDITIONAL NEW RAIL SPURS ARE HAPPENING. SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN EXISTING BNSF RAILWAY VERSUS WHAT THIS PICTURE MEANS WITH THE PINK, WITH NEW RAIL SPURS? SO THE EXISTING CONDITION IS, THERE'S ONE RAIL LINE THAT GOES FROM CIVIC CENTER DRIVE WHERE THE CROSSING IS, UH, TO WEST 19TH WHERE THE CROSSING IS. UM, WITH THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, THERE WOULD BE, UH, BASICALLY A SECOND RAIL CROSSING AT CIVIC CENTER. SO THERE'D BE AT LEAST TWO, UH, FULLY UTILIZABLE RAIL LINES FOR THE BNSF RAILWAY. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE THE SPURS THAT WOULD COME ONTO, UH, THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE RAIL LINE. UM, SO THE MAIN LINE RAIL AND THE SECONDARY RAIL THAT'S ON ACTIVE RAILWAY PROPERTY, CURRENTLY OWNED BY BNSF. AND THEN THE FUEL TRANSFER FACILITY AND THE ADJACENT RAIL SPURS WOULD BE ON, UH, PROPERTY THAT'S ALSO OWNED BY BNSF, UM, AND IT WOULD BE LEASED TO THE APPLICANT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS EXISTING RAILWAY AND THEN WHAT IS NEW RAIL SPURS, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS CONTRADICTORY. LET ME GET TO THAT SLIDE. OKAY. SO, OR JUST TO SATISFY MY QUESTION, I THINK SLIDE FOUR AND, AND I DO WANT YOU TO GO THROUGH THE DIAGRAM, BUT I'M JUST SAYING SLIDE FOUR, UM, SHOULDN'T SAY INCLUDES EXISTING BNSF RAILWAY ONLY. IT SHOULD SAY EXISTING BNSF RAILWAY AS WELL AS NEW ADDITION OF NEW RAIL SPURS IS, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. BUT GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN. IT MAY HAVE BEEN SOME DIAGRAM FOR ME, PLEASE, ON CLARITY OF LANGUAGE THERE. UM, SO ON THIS DIAGRAM, THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S SITE PLAN. THE RED HASHED IS KIND OF OUTSIDE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS. UH, THE EXISTING RAIL LINE IS BASICALLY NEXT TO WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED. AND THEN, UH, THIS BLACK TRACK RIGHT HERE GOING UP TO CIVIC CENTER, THAT'S NEW. UM, AND THEN THAT WILL TURN INTO, UM, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY, UH, THE NEW SPURS. SO THIS RED AREA, UH, IS NEW IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S ALREADY ONE RAIL TRACK IN THE HASHED AREA. IS THAT CLEAR? YES. SO THERE WILL BE NEW RAILWAY. CORRECT. EVERYTHING IN THIS IMAGE HERE IS NEW. SO YOU HAVE, UM, THE FIVE RAIL SPURS, [02:25:01] TWO UH, TRACKS THAT WOULD BE USED, USED FOR UNLOADING, AND THOSE WOULD COME TOGETHER AND BECOME ONE AS YOU GET TOWARDS CIVIC CENTER. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. UH, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE MOMENT. OKAY. UH, MEMBER BUSH. YES. UH, QUESTION ON THE, UH, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND THE, THE RISK FOR THE, UH, WASTE. UM, SO ONE OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, JAKE DUKA, WHO LIVES IN THE AREA, WHICH I, I APPRECIATE HIS THOROUGH, UH, COMMENTS, UM, HAD EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, SPILLS AND CITED THE CITY OF EL CAJON. THERE WAS A SPILL IN THE LA WITHIN THE LAST YEAR. SO HOW DO WE, WHAT IS BEING DONE TO MITIGATE, UH, FOR THE STAFF SIDE COMPLIANCE WITH SPILLS? IS IT INSURANCE OR WHAT DOES THAT PART LOOK LIKE? AND IF THERE IS A SPILL, WHAT, WHAT'S, CAN YOU GO INTO THAT? UM, SO ON THE APPLICANT SIDE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN CONTROL OF THEIR OWN SITE. UM, AND SO WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY'VE CREATED, UH, BASICALLY A CONCRETE CONTAINMENT BASIN OR THEY WILL BE CREATING. UM, AND SO SHOULD THERE ANY SPILL, SHOULD ANY SPILL OCCUR, THERE SHOULD BE ENOUGH CONTAINMENT BASIN AVAILABLE TO, UM, CONTAIN AT LEAST ONE RAIL CAR IS WORTH OF SPILL. UM, I THINK THE EL CAJON EXAMPLE MAY HAVE HAPPENED AT AN OFFSITE LOCATION DURING TRANSPORT. UM, IS THAT REALLY, UM, MAYBE THAT'S DIFFERENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, OFFSITE, THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH CONTROL OVER WHAT MAY BE HAPPENING ON THE ROADWAYS. OKAY. SO I THINK MAYBE THAT'S IN A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANTS THEN WHEN WE GET TO THAT, BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT IF IT'S COMING FROM THE FACILITY INGRESS EGRESS, THEY STILL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. UM, BUT I, BUT I CAN MOVE ON FROM THAT. UM, IN TERMS OF THE TRUCK ROUTES, UH, HOW DO WE ENSURE COMPLIANCE THAT, UH, THE TRUCK ROUTES THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING THROUGH, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS? 'CAUSE I SEE THE MAP AND CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP, UM, WHERE IT HAD THE, UH, THE BLUE LINE ARROWS, I THINK WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING INTER, SO THEN JUST TO MAKE SURE, THE PINK AREA THAT SAYS TRUCK, UM, WHICH IS BELOW AND CONNECTING THE 24TH STREET BAY MARINA DRIVE, SO THE TRUCKS ARE NOT BEING PROPOSED TO GO THERE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED, NOT THIS DIAGRAM, BUT THE ROUTE SHOWN ON HERE, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, THEY WANT BOTH ENTERING AND EXITING TRUCKS TO UTILIZE WEST 19TH, GO TO THAILAND, USE CIVIC CENTER, UH, ALL OF WHICH ARE CURRENTLY PRIMARY TRUCK ROUTES IN THE CITY. UM, AND MOST, UNLESS THERE WAS A SERVICE STATION IN NATIONAL CITY, UM, THE TRUCKS WOULD BE USING INTERSTATE FIVE TO GO EITHER NORTH OR SOUTH. SO IT'S ONLY CIVIC CENTER THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ENTER AND EXIT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. AND THEN THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL RELATED THAT TO THAT WOULD BE THE OPERATIONS PLAN WHERE, UM, STAFF WOULD REQUIRE THAT THEY INCLUDE THAT IN THEIR OPERATIONS PLAN THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED TO ANY OF THE TRUCKS USE UTILIZING THE FACILITY. OKAY. HOW DO WE ENSURE COMPLIANCE OF, OF THAT? IS THAT OUR, OUR OWN LAW ENFORCEMENT? IS THAT OUR OWN CITY STAFF? LIKE HOW ARE WE, HOW ARE, UH, THERE WAS A SUGGESTION OF, UH, EVEN CAMERAS IN ONE OF THE, UH, EMAILS, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC. SO HOW WOULD WE DO THAT? UH, THAT'S GONNA BE, WELL BEAR IN MIND THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED, THERE ARE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WHICH NEED TO BE ADHERED TO IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE CUP, UH, FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THAT WOULD BE GROUNDS FOR, UH, REMOVAL OR CANCELLATION OF THE CEP. SO WE ARE, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, GIVING US A, THEY'RE RESTRICTING THOSE CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTY TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING THAT. OBVIOUSLY IT'S ON A COMPLAINT BASE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE WILL CHECK AS MUCH AS WE CAN A STAFF IN THE FIELD. SO WE, IT'S USUALLY GONNA BE ON A, ON A COMPLAINT BASIS. SO WE WILL TAKE THAT OBVIOUSLY VERY SERIOUSLY SHOULD THAT OCCUR. GOT IT. AND THEN MY FINAL QUESTION IS ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. IN RESPONSE TO, UM, UH, A COMMENT LETTER, WHICH WAS REALLY DETAILED, AND I APPRECIATE FROM OLIVIA BOAK, UM, REPRESENTING ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COALITIONS ABOUT THE WETLANDS. SO, UH, THE LETTER WAS FROM JANUARY, UH, WITH CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, POTENTIAL WETLANDS ON THE SITE, AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ANALYSIS THAT THE CITY STAFF DID, UH, RECENTLY. SO CAN YOU GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THAT? UM, TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND, UM, THE INITIAL, THE INITIAL STUDY THAT WAS DONE INCLUDED A TECHNICAL APPENDIX THAT, UM, SHOWED A POTENTIAL WETLAND FEATURE. IT WAS A DEPRESSIONAL FEATURE WHERE, UH, CERTAIN TIMES WATER WAS POOLING. UM, AND SO THAT STUDY LED TO CONCERNS FROM A NUMBER OF THE COMMENTERS ABOUT IS THERE A WETLAND HERE, AND IS IT SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE EITHER MITIGATION [02:30:01] OR, OR SOME TYPE OF, UM, ACTION, UH, IN ORDER FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO MOVE FORWARD. NOW, UM, STAFF VISITED THE SITE JANUARY, 2025. UM, THAT DEPRESSIONAL FEATURE NO LONGER EXISTED. UM, AS I MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION, READING REMEDIATION HAD BEEN OCCURRING FOR THE PACIFIC, UH, STEEL, UM, SITE. SO SOILS BEING MOVED AROUND. SO THE DEPRESSIONAL FEATURE WAS NO LONGER THERE. UM, WE DID, UH, CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT CONCERN AND COMMENT. AND SO, UM, A PROFESSIONAL WENT OUT THERE AND DID A SITE VISIT. THEY COMPLETED WHAT'S CALLED A WETLAND DELINEATION, WHICH IS A, A SPECIFIC PROCESS TO INVESTIGATE THIS. UM, SO THEY DIDN'T JUST LOOK AT IT, THEY DUG INTO THE SOIL TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY INDICATORS THAT A WETLAND EXISTED. UM, AND THE CONCLUSION WAS NO, NO WETLAND HAD EXISTED. UM, AND THAT SIMILARLY MATCHES WHAT WAS IN THE FIRST STUDY, EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS POTENTIAL EVIDENCE, IT WAS CONCLUDED THAT IT WAS EVENTUALLY CALLED A PUDDLE . UM, SO THE ATION CAME BACK NEGATIVE, ESSENTIALLY. THANK YOU. THAT'S MY QUESTIONS. ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GO TO OKAY, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ON THIS SPECIFIC SLIDE FOR TRUCK ROUTES. UM, AND I DON'T MEAN TO FLIP PROJECTS ON YOU, BUT I KNOW THAT THE ELECTRIFICATION STATION THAT THE PORT APPROVED IS ON 19TH AND TIDELANDS, WHICH IS RIGHT THERE WHERE THAT PINK LINE IS. UM, NOT BAY MARINA, BUT, UH, 19TH AND TIDELANDS, WHERE THAT HORIZONTAL BLUE ARROW IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT DIAGRAM. ARE YOU AWARE IT, I MEAN, IT SEEMS KIND OF OBVIOUS, THE TRUCKS THAT WILL BE UTILIZING THE ELECTRIFICATION STATION WILL BE USING THOSE SAME TRUCK ROUTES. IS THAT ACCURATE TO EXPECT? YES. SO THERE'S ALREADY IMPACT ON THAT, ON THOSE TRUCK ROUTES BY THE ELECTRIFICATION STATION, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE VOLUME THAT'S EXPECTED, BUT I KNOW THAT IT IS, UH, QUITE A BIT. UM, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IN ADDITION TO THAT NOW, THE TRUCKS FOR THIS PROJECT ALSO UTILIZING THOSE SAME TRUCK ROUTES ON TIDELANDS. UM, AND I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I WILL HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS, UH, BASED ON COMMENTS FROM, UH, THE NAVAL BASE THAT I RECEIVED TODAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SEE NOTHING ELSE. WE WILL, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. OH, MAYOR. OKAY, GO AHEAD. DO WE ALSO ASK QUESTIONS FOR THE DEVELOPERS, OR ARE THEY GONNA GET A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY GIVE A PRESENTATION? YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A PRESENTATION. THEY ARE. OKAY. UM, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UM, COMMUNITY, FOR COMING OUT FOR THE DEVELOPERS AGAIN, FOR, UH, GOING THROUGH A VERY ROBUST PROCESS. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. BEFORE I GET TO THAT, I DO WANNA SAY IT'S VERY INSULTING THAT THE ROOM NEXT DOOR IS NOT BEING USED AND THAT YOU SUGGESTED TO TAKE AWAY THE TRANSLATION. I DON'T THINK THAT'S OKAY. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF MONOLINGUAL SPANISH SPEAKERS HERE, AND THEY DESERVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE TRANSLATIONS. WE I UNDERSTAND. WE, BUT YOU KNEW THAT BEFORE YOU SUGGESTED IT. OH, GOSH. SO, UM, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. QUESTION. DOES THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOCUS ON THE REGION SPECIFICALLY, OR DOES IT FOCUS ON THE ENTIRE PROJECT? I MEAN, THE GENERAL PURPOSE OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT IS TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL PROJECT IMPACTS. UM, AND SO IT'S SPECIFIC TO THE PROJECT AND IMPACTS THAT COULD RESULT IN ITS CONSTRUCTION OR OPERATION OF, UM, I MEAN, THAT'S THE MOST BASIC ANSWER I CAN PROVIDE THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A MORE SPECIFIC YEAH. HOW MUCH DOES IT FOCUS ON NATIONAL CITY SPECIFIC? I MEAN, IT SHOULD, THE PROJECT IS THE NATIONAL CITY. IT SHOULD PRIMARILY BE DISCUSSING THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, BUT IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT EMISSIONS FROM VEHICLE MILES, TRAVEL FROM LONG BEACH AND SAN BERNARDINO DOWN HERE. I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG DOCUMENT, SO I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. UM, I BELIEVE IT'S TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AS PROBABLY IN THE GREENHOUSE GAS SECTION ABOUT POTENTIAL BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT. UM, BUT BENEFITS ALONE IS NOT ENOUGH OF AN ANALYSIS. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE SCOPE OF THINGS. IF THERE'S ANY IMPACTS, YOU CAN'T USE A BENEFIT TO OUTWEIGH THAT IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A MORE SPECIFIC QUESTION, WE SHOULD HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT HERE TO ANSWER THAT. UM, BUT THAT'S MY GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS. THANK YOU. UM, DOES THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT COVER TRAIN POLLUTION THAT WOULD BE EMITTED THROUGH THE MOVING SOME OF THE RAIL CARS DOWN HERE? UM, [02:35:02] IT DOES DISCUSS MAINLINE, UH, EMISSIONS. UM, SO THAT WAS INCLUDED AS PART OF THE MOBILE SOURCES WITHIN THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE. OKAY. UM, DO WE HAVE A, AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH ROAD REPLACEMENT TO MILL AND PAVE ABOUT A MILE OF ROAD GIVE OR TAKE? COULD YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION? YEAH. DO WE KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS TO MILL AND PAVE A ROAD ABOUT A MILE OR SO? THAT WOULD BE A GREAT QUESTION FOR OUR PUBLIC WORK ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. , I CAN, UH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND FIELD THAT ONE. UM, WE A WE ACTUALLY JUST, JUST WRAPPED UP A CITYWIDE PAVING JOB. SO WE HAVE SOME RELATIVELY, UM, RECENT NUMBERS FOR A ROAD LIKE HIGHLANDS AVENUE, GIVEN THE CONDITION TO DO A MILL AND OVERLAY, PLUS SOME DIG OUTS WHERE WE GOTTA GO, GO DOWN A LITTLE, LITTLE DEEPER AND REPAIR SOME BASE FOR A MILE, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS. THANK YOU. $1 MILLION FOR, UM, A ROAD OF THIS CLASSIFICATION, GIVEN THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD TO DO ONE MILE TO MILL AND OVERLAY WITH NEW PAVEMENT, AND TO DO SOME SPOT DIG OUTS, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT $1 MILLION FOR ONE MILE OF THIS TYPE OF ROADWAY. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. I LOOK FORWARD TO QUESTIONS FOR THE DEVELOPERS, RIGHT? YES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, AS SOME OF THE, UH, EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED, UM, WHICH IS TOUCHING PUBLIC SAFETY OR THE, UH, THE, THE SAFETY OF THIS PROJECT, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTION TO OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED, UH, YOU HAVE SUBMITTED A REPORT THROUGH THE, UH, THROUGH THIS, UM, THROUGH THIS PROJECT WITH REGARDS TO COST RECOVERY, UM, UM, OPERATIONAL COSTS, FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS, CODE COMPLIANCE AND PERMITTING. BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO TOUCH ON THE PREPAREDNESS AND RECOMMENDATION THAT OUR DEPARTMENT AS THE NATIONAL FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD, UM, WOULD RECOMMEND OR FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, UM, IN OUR CITY. UM, CERTAINLY, UM, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND CITY STAFF, UH, , FIRE CHIEF NATIONAL CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA, I MEAN, YAMANI, UH, WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED COST RECOVERY, BUT WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, MITIGATION MEASURES THAT REQUIRE SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT, SPECIALIZED TRAINING TO REALLY INCREASE OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND TO A HAZARD OF THIS NATURE. UH, THEY'VE BEEN VERY RECEPTIVE, AND WE HAVE, UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, UH, OUR FIRE MARSHAL DIVISION CHIEF HERNANDEZ, UH, REQUESTED A, A SPECIALIZED REPORT FROM AN ENGINEERING FIRM TO LOOK AT JUST THE FIREFIGHTING COMPONENT AND OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND. THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN VERY RECEPTIVE TO THAT AND HAS AGREED TO SOME OF OUR ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. UH, THEY'RE MENTIONED IN THE REPORT, ONE OF THEM BEING A MOBILE FOAM PLATFORM. UH, AND, UH, A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THAT WOULD BE A, A UNIT, UH, THIS TYPE OF A HAZARD FOR, FOR US, A A A A, UH, FINDABLE LIQUID FIRE THAT IS THE ACCEPTED AND THE BEST PRACTICE FOR US TO, TO MITIGATE THAT, UH, UTILIZING FOAM. UH, SO THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO, TO PROVIDE US WITH A PLATFORM OF THAT NATURE ALONG WITH THE TRAINING REQUIRED. NOW, CURRENTLY, WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO, TO ADDRESS, UM, LIQUID FLAMMABLE FIRES. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE LOOK AT EVERY YEAR, AND IT'S PART OF OUR, OUR TRAINING REGIMEN. AND, AND WE HAVE EXISTING EQUIPMENT, EXISTING AUTOMATIC AID AND MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS IN THE REGION TO ADDRESS THAT, WHAT THIS, UH, WHAT OUR REQUESTS WERE IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE THAT WOULD INCREASE OUR CAPABILITY. AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE HAVE, UM, REALLY TAILORED OUR APPROACH WITH THE APPLICANT IN REGARDS TO PROVIDING US WITH THE EQUIPMENT AND THE TRAINING REQUIRED FOR US TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO, TO BUILD ON OUR, ON OUR SKILLSET AND DEVELOP STRATEGIES AND TACTICS TO ADDRESS THIS ONE SPECIFIC TYPE OF HAZARD WITHIN THE PARTICULAR SITE AS, AS PROPOSED. UH, THE QUESTION ASKED EARLIER REGARDING OFFSITE, OFFSITE ACCIDENTS SUCH AS THE, THE EXAMPLE OF LA MESA, THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT TOPIC. UH, CURRENTLY WE DO, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, THAT EXISTS WITHIN OUR CITY CURRENTLY, AND WE ARE PREPARED TO, TO ADDRESS THAT. SO OUR EFFORTS, AGAIN, HAVE BEEN TAILORED AT THE SPECIFIC SITE AND, AND JUST IN [02:40:01] THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE, UH, TO HAVE A BETTER OPTION AT ADDRESSING ANY ISSUE THAT MIGHT HAPPEN WITHIN THE FACILITY. I BELIEVE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. IF, IF NOT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. UM, THANK YOU. UM, CHIEF, UM, THERE WAS A, UH, A LATE EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED FROM OUR, FROM OUR, UH, CITY CLERK WITH REGARDS TO ADDITIONAL, UM, REQUIREMENT THAT, UM, I THINK IT'S ABOUT A PHONE OR SOMETHING. UM, I'M LOOKING FOR THAT EMAIL. UM, UH, MAYBE OUR, UH, CHIEF FERNANDEZ CAN, UH, CAN, UM, ADDRESS THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST ADDITIONAL, UM, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE, UM, THAT HAVE, UM, ADDED TO THIS, UM, APPLICATION YES. FOR A SAFETY, UM, ISSUE? YEAH. UH, CHIEF HERNANDEZ IS RIGHT NEXT TO ME, SO I'LL LET HIM ADDRESS THAT. BUT YEAH, UH, OUR ROLE, AND THIS IS STRICTLY TO LOOK AT THE, THE PROJECT AND THEN PROVIDE, UH, INFORMATION WHETHER THEY MEET OR EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. AND CHIEF HERNANDEZ HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS ISH, ABOUT THREE YEARS. COUPLE YEARS. AND SO HE IS THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR, OUR ESTEEMED CHIEF. THANK YOU, CHIEF. THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCIL. THANK YOU. CHIEF COUNCIL MEMBER, YOUR MONEY. IT'S A PLEASURE. UH, STAFF, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, MY COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS, UH, ROBERT HERNANDEZ, NATIONAL CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT, DIVISION CHIEF AND FIRE MARSHAL, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI. UM, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, RIGHT? UM, AS THE, THE DIVISION CHIEF AND ALSO THE FIRE MARSHAL FOR NATIONAL CITY, IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT, UH, FOR ME TO TAKE EVERYTHING INTO ACCOUNT. UM, THERE ARE, UM, CODE BOOKS THAT WE USE EVERY YEAR THAT ARE CODIFIED, THAT ARE ADOPTED, UM, NOT ONLY JUST IN IN THE CITY, BUT STATEWIDE, UH, CALIFORNIA FIRE CODE, CALIFORNIA BILLING CODE, NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION HEALTH AND SAFETY CODES. AND, AND THESE ARE THE CODES THAT I NAVIGATE AS WELL AS OUR, OUR LOCAL MUNICIPAL CODES. UM, AND BEING A RESIDENT HERE AS WELL, AND GROWING UP IN THIS COMMUNITY, UM, IT, IT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ASSURE THAT EVERYTHING HERE IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AND, AND THAT, UH, THAT NOT ONLY, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ME TO LOOK AFTER THE CODE, BUT ALSO TO LOOK AFTER THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE SAFE. SO I PREPARED SOMETHING, IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO READ THIS, AND I THINK THIS WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AND ALLOW ALSO THE RESIDENTS AND, AND, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I LOOK FOR AND WHAT MY OBLIGATIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE. SO IF I MAY, THANK YOU, CHIEF. THANK YOU. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS NOT APPROVED THE PRO, UH, PROPOSED PROJECT. OUR ROLE TO DATE HAS BEEN STRICTLY LIMITED TO CODE COMPLIANCE REVIEW CONDUCTED SOLELY TO ENSURE SHOULD THE PROJECT BE APPROVED BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IT WOULD MEET ALL APPLICABLE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS AT SET FORTH UNDER OUR CURRENT CODES. WE ARE FULLY AWARE OF THE SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS RAISED BY RESIDENTS, THE NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND WE TAKE THOSE CONCERNS SERIOUSLY. HOWEVER, AS REGULATORY AGENCY, OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS NOT TO DETERMINE WHETHER A PROJECT SHOULD MOVE FORWARD, BUT RATHER TO ENSURE IF IT APPROVE, IF APPROVED, IT MEETS THE HIGHEST FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY STANDARDS REQUIRED. BY LAW, OUR INVOLVED INVOLVEMENT DOES NOT REPRESENT AN ENDORSEMENT OR APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT. INSTEAD, IT REFLECTS OUR OBLIGATION TO ENSURE THAT THE PROJECT, IF PERMITTED, INCORPORATES ALL NECESSARY FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS AND LIFE SAFETY FEATURES INTO ITS DESIGN AND OPERATION. ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT ITS FULL PROPOSAL TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. UPON RECEIPT, WE WILL FORWARD THE MATERIAL TO OUR THIRD PARTY PLAN REVIEW CONSULTANT, AND WE WILL CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW AND PROVIDE DETAILED COMMENTS, IDENTIFYING ANY ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS NECESSARY TO MEET THE APPLICABLE CODES. THIS PROCESS ENSURES AN ADDITIONAL LAYER OF OVERSIGHT AND EXPERTISE IN EVALUATING THE SAFETY ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT. IF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSAL, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE DEVELOPER TO ENFORCE ALL APPLICABLE FIRE CODES AND SAFETY STANDARDS AND PROJECT SPECIFIC CONDITIONS TO SAFEGUARD THE PUBLIC. SO, COUNCIL MEMBER, AGAIN, MY OBLIGATION IS TO ASSURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS SAFE. A A PLACE WHERE I GREW UP, A, A, A PLACE WHERE I CURRENTLY LIVE. UH, AND MY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO ALL OF YOU TO ASSURE THAT I LOOK AT THOSE CODES OVER AND OVER, AND TO ASSURE THAT THEY COMPLY. AND I ASSURE YOU THAT YOU HAVE MY WORD, THAT I WILL MAKE SURE THAT I DO THAT, AND I WILL DO THAT DILIGENTLY. THANK YOU, CHIEF. THAT'S ALL. MAYOR. ALRIGHT. [02:45:05] ALRIGHT. I'M GOING TO, UH, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, YOU KNOW, OTHER, UM, DIRECT QUESTIONS AND OH, I'M SORRY, FORGIVE ME. I FORGOT. THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS IS IF WHEN THE APPLICANT GETS TO GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION, THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. YES, . SO I AM GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW, AND FIRST WE'RE GONNA HAVE PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT. OKAY. PLEASE. OTHERWISE WE'D HAVE TO REMOVE PEOPLE IF THEY'RE GONNA INTERRUPT. ARE YOU READY? THANK YOU, . HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS, PLANNING STAFF, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. I'M BILL FING WITH USD CLEAN FUELS. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE APPEAL CERTIFY, THE EIR, THE CUP, THE CDP FOR THE SAN DIEGO CLEAN FUELS PROJECT IN NATIONAL CITY. I'M PROUD TO PRESENT THIS PRO ENVIRONMENTAL PROJECT TO HELP MEET THE CLEAN AIR GOALS OF NATIONAL CITY. IT DELIVERS CLEANER AIR THROUGH CLEANER FUELS WITH 2.4 MILLION LESS TRUCK MILES PER YEAR THAN CURRENTLY DELIVER FUELS TO THIS AREA. FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT ALMOST FOUR YEARS AGO, WE HAVE LISTENED. WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, THE STAFF, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND WE PRESENT A PROJECT RESPONSIVE TO WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED. WE REDUCED THE PROJECT BY APPROXIMATELY 50% FROM OUR ORIGINAL DESIGN. WE DID AN IS AN I REQUESTING AN MND AND THEN DID A FULL EIR STUDY. WE AGREED TO THE CITY'S DESIGNATED TRUCK ROUTES, AVOIDING SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, AND HOMES. WE DID EXTENSIVE PUBLIC OUTREACH WHEN UNSPECIFIED BURDENS TO THE CITY WERE RAISED WITH NO REVENUE TO THE CITY FROM THIS PROJECT TO MEET THOSE BURDENS, WE OFFERED SIGNIFICANT AND MEANINGFUL DIRECT ECONOMIC BENEFIT, ESPECIALLY FOR SUCH A SMALL PROJECT. WE WILL ABIDE BY CONDITIONS OF THE CUP AND THE CDP AS WELL AS ALL OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR OUR PROJECT. I SAT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING RECENTLY AND I LISTENED INTENTLY. I WAS TOUCHED BY THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE GENUINE CONCERNS. I WAS ALSO SADDENED. I WAS SADDENED BY WHAT THEY THINK MAY HAPPEN, WHAT THEY FEAR WILL HAPPEN AND WHAT MAY BE THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD MAY HAPPEN. I WAS SADDENED BECAUSE THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT THE EIR AND THE FACTS OF THIS PROJECT SAY MAY HAPPEN. THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVE STUDIES OR FACTS TO THE EIR BEFORE THE COUNCIL. I WILL USE MY TIME TO FOCUS PRIMARILY ON THE ISSUES WE HAVE HEARD REGARDING THE ENVIRONMENT, THE ECONOMY, AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY, THE PRIMARY FOCUS AREAS OF THE COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED. FIRST, THE PACKING IN FRONT OF YOU REFLECTS A VERY GOOD PRO-ENVIRONMENTAL PROJECT FOR NATIONAL CITY. CEIR IS THE MOST ROBUST PRE-PROJECT RISK REVIEW PROCESS IN AMERICA. THAT PROCESS, THAT EIR IN FRONT OF YOU CONCLUDES THAT THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT RISKS TO THIS PROJECT. NONE APPLYING ALL CITY, COUNTY, AND STATE REQUIREMENTS. THE SUMMARY OF THAT IS IN THIS SLIDE, THE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT COLUMN IS TO THE RIGHT. I'VE HEARD QUESTIONS RECENTLY ABOUT THE EIR PROCESS. IT WAS PERFORMED BY A REPUTABLE, INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT E CORP. WE PAID FOR IT. THE APPLICANT ALWAYS PAYS FOR SQL PERMITTING AND ALL OTHER PERMITTING ON EVERY PROJECT WE'VE EVER DONE ANYWHERE, INCLUDING EVERY PROJECT IN CALIFORNIA. [02:50:01] THE CITY STAFF AND DEPARTMENTS WE'RE VERY INVOLVED FROM THE BEGINNING. WE WENT THROUGH PUBLIC MEETING AND PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE SCOPING OF THE EIR AND AGAIN ON THE DRAFT TO FINAL EIR. AND WE RECEIVED MANY COMMENTS THAT IS ALL PART OF THE EIR PROCESS. THE COMMENT PERIOD CLOSED LONG AGO. THE CITY TOOK THE EXTRAORDINARY STEP IN OUR EXPERIENCE OF HIRING A SECOND INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY TO PEER REVIEW THE EIR. IT WAS A REVIEWED EACH STEP BY CITY STAFF AND CITY LEGAL REPRESENTATION REPRESENTATIVES. THE EIR STANDS AS THE FACTS TO THE RISK OF THIS PROJECT. THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE EIR, TO INFORM CITY DECISION MAKERS AND THE PUBLIC ABOUT POTENTIAL RISKS OF THESE PROJECTS. I ANTICIPATE YOU'LL HEAR A LOT TONIGHT ABOUT TRUCKS AND TRAINS AND AIR QUALITY ABOUT DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER AND ABOUT RESPIRATORY CONCERNS SIGNIFICANTLY AND HOPEFULLY COMFORTING TO MANY. THE EIR SAYS THAT NONE OF THOSE ARE RISKS OF THIS PROJECT. THE EIR CONCLUDES THAT THE 72 TRUCKS PER DAY HAVE NO SIGNIFICANT AIR QUALITY IMPACTS ON THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. THE EIR MODELING IS DONE USING WHAT'S CALLED A PROTECTIVE CASE. NORMALLY WE WOULD CALL THAT A WORST CASE SCENARIO. IT ASSUMES THAT ALL 72 TRUCKS WOULD BE RUNNING ON CONVENTIONAL FOSSIL FUEL DIESEL. UM, AGAIN, THAT'S THE WORST CASE MODELING APPROACH. MEANING THAT EVEN IF ALL 72 TRUCKS RAN ON CONVENTIONAL FOSSIL FUEL DIESEL, THERE WOULD BE NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO THIS PROJECT USING ALL LOCAL AIR STANDARDS. BUT THOSE ARE NOT THE FACTS. CORRECTION, I THINK IT'S LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT WITH THE AIR. LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT. OKAY. YES, LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT. THANK YOU. BUT THE FACTS ON THIS PROJECT ARE BETTER THAN THAT. THE CALIFORNIA DIESEL POOL IS CURRENTLY APPROXIMATELY 75% RENEWABLE DIESEL. IT IS MOST LIKELY THAT THE FUEL MIX ON THE TRUCKS ON THIS PROJECT WOULD REFLECT THE CALIFORNIA DIESEL FUEL MIX. SO THE FACTS ARE EVEN BETTER THAN WHAT WAS MODELED IN THE EIR. THIS PROJECT IS NEEDED TO BRING MORE RENEWABLE FUEL TO THIS AREA TO APPROACH THE GOAL OF A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEANER FUELS SO THAT ALL VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT IN NATIONAL CITY AND THE SURROUNDING AREA RUN ON RENEWABLE LOWER EMISSION FUELS. A REASONABLE PHASE IN PERIOD FOR THE TRUCKS TO BE ALL RENEWABLE FUELS CAN BE A CONDITION OF THE CUP. THE TRUCK TRIPS ON THIS PROJECT ARE AS REPRESENTED ON THE SLIDE. THOSE ARE THE CORRIDORS WHERE THE RAIL STOPS AND TRUCKS DELIVER FUEL ROUND TRIPS EACH DAY TO THIS AREA, CALIFORNIA IS PUSHING FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE FUELS. SO MORE TRUCKS ARE COMING AS CALIFORNIA GETS MORE SUPPLY AND THE DEMAND INCREASES CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES IN CALIFORNIA. OUR PROJECT PREVENTS EVEN MORE TRUCKS FROM COMING. CARB. CARB SAYS THE RENEWABLE FUELS DECREASE DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER BY 29%. THIS PROJECT DECREASES DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER IN TWO WAYS BY ELIMINATING THE NEED FOR THE LONG HAUL TRUCK TRIPS BEFORE YOU EACH DAY FROM THE LA AREA. AND BY DELIVERING A GROWING SUPPLY OF RENEWABLE FUELS FOR USE BY ALL VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT IN AND AROUND NATIONAL CITY, AIR KNOWS NO BOUNDARIES. THIS IS A WIN-WIN TRUCK IDLING IS NOT ALLOWED FOR MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES ANYWHERE IN THE STATE BY CALIFORNIA STATE LAW. THE TRUCKS ON THIS PROJECT WILL ABIDE BY THE LAW OR FACE LEGAL AND COMMERCIAL CONSEQUENCES. WE WILL LOCK OUT OFFENDERS FROM OUR USING OUR FACILITY. THE PROJECT IS VERY GOOD FOR THE LOCAL ECONOMY AND INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY STUDY CONCLUDES THAT THIS PROJECT WILL RESULT IN $267 MILLION INCREASE IN THE AREA ECONOMY OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS OF OPERATION. THAT STUDY IS IN YOUR PACKET. ON TOP OF THAT USD CLEAN FUELS WILL VOLUNTARILY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO NATIONAL CITY AND THE AMOUNT OF $200,000 A YEAR FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT, [02:55:01] NONE OF WHICH IS OWED. AND IT CAN BE USED FOR IMPLEMENTING STRATEGIES THE CITY DECIDES ARE IMPORTANT TO RELIEVE BURDENS AND IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE IN KANSAS CITY. NO OTHER PROJECT ON THIS PROPERTY WILL INVOLVE SUCH A PAYMENT. TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A USD CLEAN FUELS PROJECT FOR THE SOLE SERVICE OF MOVING FUELS FROM THE RAIL CARS DIRECTLY TO TRUCKS. THAT'S IT. THE BNSF IS OUR LANDLORD AND THE SERVICING RAILROAD FOR THIS PROJECT. THE FUEL PRODUCERS ARE OUR CUSTOMERS PAYING US TO TRANSLOAD THE FUEL FROM RAIL TO TRUCK. AS EVIDENT BY THE BNSF LETTER TO COUNCIL, IT INTENDS TO PUT THIS PROPERTY INTO COMMERCIAL USE. IF NOT THIS PROJECT, ANOTHER USE. IT IS SAFE TO ASSUME THAT NO OTHER PROJECT DONE BY B-N-S-F-B-N-S-F WILL NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, HAVE THIS LEVEL OF REVENUE, OR DELIVER SIGNIFICANT CLEAN AIR BENEFITS TO NATIONAL CITY. THIS PROJECT IS THE BEST ONE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND FOR NATIONAL CITY. FOR THIS PROPERTY, WE HAVE BEEN ASKED WHY A NATIONAL CITY? WHY NOT SOMEWHERE ELSE? THE FACILITY'S A NATIONAL CITY BECAUSE THIS LOCATION MINIMIZES EMISSIONS AND THE COST OF FUELS. IT DOES IT THREE WAYS. IT ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR THE CURRENT LONG HAUL TRUCK TRIPS. TRANSPORTING FUELS FROM LOS ANGELES, IT MINIMIZES LOCAL DELIVERY MILES TO SERVICE STATIONS IN THIS AREA THAT ARE RECEIVING THOSE DELIVERIES TODAY. AND IT INCREASES THE CLEAN FUELS AVAILABLE TOWARD THE GOAL OF A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLES. NO OTHER LOCATION DOES. SO THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS IS IN THE EIR. CLEAN FUELS PRIMARILY COME FROM THE US, MIDWEST AND GULF COAST. AND THEY COME BY RAIL. THEY CAN ALSO BE DELIVERED BY WATER. BUT THE SHIPYARD AND NATIONAL CITY LIMITS WATER ACCESS TO SERVE THIS AREA. TODAY YOUR RENEWABLES ARE DELIVERED BY RAIL. THE TRAINS JUST STOP IN THE LA AREA AND THE REST OF THE TRIP IS DELIVERED BY ROUND TRIP TRUCK TRIPS EVERY DAY. THE TRUCKS FROM OUR PROJECT WILL NOT ADD ANY NEW DELIVERY TRIPS, BUT WE'LL DELIVER TO THE SAME LOCATIONS THEY DELIVER THEM TODAY WITH JUST A LOT LESS EMISSIONS. SO THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR LOTS OF TRUCK TRIPS, ADDS NO NEW TRUCK TRIPS, PREVENTS MORE FUTURE TRUCK TRIPS, AND BRINGS MORE CLEAN FUEL AND HAS NO POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ACCORDING TO THE EIR WITH MANY LOCAL BENEFITS. AGAIN, NO OTHER PROJECT ON THIS PROPERTY WILL DO SO. THIS PROJECT IS ALSO SAFE TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES, I WILL INTRODUCE ALEX BADE WITH USD CLEAN FUELS TO THE COUNCIL. ALEX IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT AND IF IT IS APPROVED, WE'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING THE PROJECT WITH THIS . THANK YOU BILL. AND THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CONFIRM THIS SPEAK RIGHT, RIGHT INTO THE MIC PLEASE. I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CONFIRM. THE FACILITIES DESIGN AND FOCUS HAD THREE KEY DRIVERS. ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY AND CONTAINMENT, AIR QUALITY AND OPERATIONAL AND STRUCTURAL SAFETY. AND AS PART OF THIS, THERE HAS BEEN METICULOUS EVALUATION OF ALL OF THESE SYSTEMS. NOT ONLY FOR REGULATORY COMPLIANCE BUT ALSO FOR OUR COMPANY STANDARDS IS WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WORK AT THESE FACILITIES AND WE WANT THEM TO BE SAFE. AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THIS 'CAUSE I AM PART OF THE TEAM WHO IS PART OF DESIGNING THIS FACILITY AND WHO IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERING THIS FACILITY ON SITE. THE SPILL CONTAINMENT INDUSTRIAL WASTE SYSTEM IS FULLY CONTAINED. THIS MEANS PROTECTION UNDER RAIL CARS AND IT MEANS PROTECTION UNDER TRUCKS. THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS AND EMERGENCY SHUTOFFS. IT IS A CLOSED SYSTEM, WHICH MEANS NO LIQUID CAN ENTER WATERWAYS. NO LIQUID CAN EITHER BE ACCIDENTALLY RELEASED OR MANUALLY RELEASED. THESE MATERIALS WOULD BE RE RELIEVED BY SPECIFIC VAC TRUCKS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW LAW. THERE IS A VAPOR CONTROL SYSTEM AND IT IS A COMPLETELY CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS NOT ONLY DOES IT MEET AIR PERMIT COMPLIANCE, [03:00:02] IT IS A QUICK CONNECT SYSTEM. SO THAT MEANS THERE ARE NO VAPORS THAT ESCAPE. AND IN ORDER TO MEET OUR PERMIT COMPLIANCE, THIS NEEDS TO BE VALIDATED EVERY SINGLE CONNECTION ON A REGULAR BASIS TO ENSURE NO VAPOR ESCAPE. AND AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S OPERATIONAL AND STRUCTURAL SAFETY. IT IS A FULLY LIT FACILITY THAT WILL HAVE STAFF ON SITE 24 7 MANAGING THESE PROCESSES. IT'S INTRINSICALLY SAFE. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THERE'S GROUNDING AND BONDING ON ALL OF THE RAIL CARS AND TRUCKS TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS NO IGNITION SOURCE. ALL DRIVERS MUST MEET THE DOT REQUIREMENTS ALONGSIDE OUR OWN TERMINAL REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THIS SITE. AND FINALLY, THERE'S HIGHLY TRAINED STAFF ON SITE WHO WILL WORK CLOSELY WITH THE RAILWAYS TO ENSURE SAFE DELIVERY OF RAIL CARS ON A REGULAR BASIS. I'VE WORKED AT A CLASS ONE RAILWAY, I'VE BEEN PART OF BUILDING FACILITIES LIKE THIS WITH USD CLEAN FUELS IN CALIFORNIA AND OTHER AREAS. AND I KNOW THAT SAFETY IS TOP PRIORITY BOTH FOR US AND FOR THE BNSF AS WELL. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? NO QUESTION. OKAY. YES. QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. ARE YOU WILLING TO COMMIT TO THE USE OF ZERO EMISSION, UH, VEHICLES FOR, UM, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT FOR TO, UH, MITIGATE FOR THE, UH, MOBILE SOURCES? SO I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU GUYS WERE SAYING, UH, WHEN YOU SAID IT, UM, THAT THERE WILL BE A LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. AND I WANT THE AUDIENCE TO KNOW THAT IS TRUE, THAT THE EIR DOES STATE THAT IN THE ANALYSIS THAT THERE IS A LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, BUT THERE'S STILL, IT, IT ALSO SAYS THAT THERE'S STILL SOME IMPACT, THERE'S STILL SOME EMISSIONS. SO ARE YOU ALL WILLING TO COMMIT TO, TO ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES BY A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME? WE WILL TAKE THAT ONE. UM, AS WE, I THINK HAVE DISCUSSED WITH MANY OF YOU, UM, IF YOU PUT CONDITIONS IN OUR CUP, WE WILL MEET THOSE CONDITIONS. THE REALITY OF HOW THAT GOES IMPACTS THIS PROJECT IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE CONTRACTS WITH THE TRUCKING COMPANIES. THOSE WILL BE THE PRODUCERS OF THE FUEL, PRIMARILY THAT CONTRACT WITH THE TRUCKING COMPANIES. UM, IF THOSE CONDITIONS ARE PART OF OUR PROJECT AND THEY ARE REASONABLE, MEANING THAT THE TRUCKS ARE AVAILABLE AND YOU KNOW, ON A SCHEDULE THAT THEY CAN BE COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE, WHICH THEY ARE NOT TODAY, UM, THEN THAT WILL BE REQUIRED OF THIS PROJECT. THE OTHER REALITY IS THAT ON THAT CONDITION, SINCE IT DOESN'T RELATE DIRECTLY TO WHAT WE BUILD, THE RAILROADS AND THE PRODUCERS OF THE FUELS THAT ARE THE CUSTOMERS HERE, UM, WILL DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT US TO BUILD THIS PROJECT OR NOT, BASED ON HOW IT IMPACTS THEIR COST AND ABILITY TO DELIVER THESE FUELS. SO IT'S JUST AN INDEPENDENT DECISION. BUT I WILL ASSURE YOU, WHEN YOU PUT CONDITIONS ON THIS PROJECT, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PERMIT, WE BELIEVE IN WHAT WE CALL 10000% COMPLIANCE. IT'S LOUSY MATH, BUT IT'S GOOD COMPLIANCE BECAUSE IT MEANS A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME. AND THAT'S HOW WE COMMUNICATE IT UNDER. UNDERSTOOD. UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO JUST TO REITERATE, WHAT I HEARD WAS BASICALLY WHAT THAT BOILED DOWN TO WAS THAT YES. THAT IF WE PUT CONDITIONS LIKE ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES, THAT YOU ALL WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT TO WELL, AND I LET, LET ME JUST QUALIFY 'CAUSE I THOUGHT YOU SAID ON A REASONABLE PHASE IN SCHEDULE, WHICH WOULD, IN THIS, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID IN YOUR QUESTION. THAT'S WHAT I ADDRESSED. I DIDN'T USE THE WORD REASONABLE, BUT SO REASONABLE IS SOMETHING WELL, I JUST MEAN TO, IT'S GOTTA BE A MARKETABLE, THE MARKET HAS TO BE THERE FOR, FOR THEM TO BE USED FOR US TO USE. AND UNDERSTOOD. UN UNDERSTOOD BY, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY ONLY POINT. UNDERSTOOD. I, YES SIR. BUT I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN, UH, I ASKED EARLIER ABOUT HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND UH, UM, AND, UH, THE, UM, THE INCIDENT WITH THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA WHERE THERE WAS A SPILL, UM, OF, OF DIESEL. SO, UM, EVEN IF IT'S NOT ON YOUR SITE, WHAT DO YOU GUYS DO IF IT'S ONE OF THE TRUCKS THAT YOU'RE, UM, THAT YOU'RE DOING BUSINESS WITH THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING THESE FUELS FOR AND THERE IS A SPILL. SO WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING TO MITIGATE FOR THAT OR TO, UM, IS IT INSURANCE? LIKE HOW ARE YOU GUYS ADDRESSING A SPILL FROM REFILLS? YEAH, SO WE WOULD DEAL WITH THAT MUCH LIKE YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT A FILLING STATION. IF IT'S ON OUR [03:05:01] SITE, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RESPONSE IN DEALING WITH IT WHEREVER THAT CAME FROM. THAT'S WHY, AS ALEX INDICATED, THE THE DESIGN AND OPERATION STANDARDS WE HAVE ARE VERY HIGH. ONCE THE TRUCKS AND RAILS LEAVE OUR FACILITY, THEY LEAVE OUR FACILITY. AND THAT WOULD BE ON THE TRUCKING COMPANY. JUST LIKE THOSE TRUCKS THAT ARE RUNNING, THEY'RE RUNNING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY TODAY, JUST, THEY'RE JUST DOING ROUND TRIPS FROM LA. IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT. SO AS IN THE INSURANCE FOR THOSE TRUCKING COMPANIES THAT THOSE COVER THE, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SPILL OR I, WHO'S, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE IF THERE'S A SPILL IS MY QUESTION. I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR OUR FACILITY. I'M NOT DODGING YOUR QUESTION. I JUST HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN A SITUATION WHERE, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN A LOT OF FACILITIES AND OUR FACILITIES AND OTHER PLACES I'VE BEEN, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE WHEN IT'S ON OUR FACILITY. AND OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE TRUCKING DRIVERS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS ARE. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. I KNOW ON THE RAILROAD, IF IT'S A RAILROAD INCIDENT, THE RAILROAD'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. OKAY. THAT'S MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELCOME MEMBER MOLINA. THANK YOU YOUR HONOR. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BILL. UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON PAGE FOUR OF YOUR SLIDE DECK. IT'S THE, UM, THE, THE SLIDE THAT, UM, HIGHLIGHTS RAIL ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR 2.4 MILLION TRUCK MILES PER YEAR. YES. AND THAT FACT IS AGAIN HIGHLIGHTED ON PAGE SEVEN, UH, 2.4 MILLION TRUCK MILES PER YEAR. THIS IS MEANT TO SHOWCASE THE FACT THAT, UH, TRUCKS WOULD NO LONGER TRANSPORT THESE FUELS FROM THE LA AREA. YES. BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE COMING DOWN VIA RAIL. YES. SO WHAT WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THIS FACT IS THAT IT DOESN'T EQUATE THE TRANSPORT VIA RAIL. SO WHAT I WOULD PREFER TO SEE, SO THAT I CAN MAKE THE CORRELATION IS IN FACT HOW MUCH, UM, PARTICULATE MATTER, 2.5 MICRON SIZE IS BEING ELIMINATED WITH THIS 2.4 MILLION TRUCK MILES PER YEAR. AND, UM, THE, UM, THE OXIDES OF NITROGEN, HOW MUCH IS BEING ELIMINATED BY THESE TRUCKS AND, UH, HOW MUCH IS BEING PRODUCED BY THE RAIL? THAT WOULD ALLOW ME TO CORRELATE IN FACT, YOU KNOW, THE AIR QUALITY THAT THIS PROJECT DOES IN FACT PURPORT TO, TO, TO HANDLE. AND, AND IT'S A BIT OF A TECHNICAL QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE ANSWER, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A CORRELATION HERE. AND, AND IF I MAY, COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY THE NET, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE RAIL WILL HAVE, UH, EMISSIONS. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS I UNDERSTAND RAIL COMPARED TO THE TRUCK TRIP, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND RAIL TO BE A HELL OF A LOT MORE POLLUTING THAN THAN TRUCKS. AND THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED THAT TRUCKS IN ARE, UH, MOVING TOWARDS CLEANER FUEL, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU GET MY POINT WHERE I'M GOING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD KEVIN LABOUR. 'CAUSE I THINK I'LL GIVE HIM THE FIRST CHANCE OF DOING THAT BECAUSE HE WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THOSE CALCULATIONS. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MORRISON. COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS KEVIN LABOUR AND I HEAD UP US DEVELOPMENT CLEAN FUELS, UH, PROJECT DEVELOPMENT. UH, THE SHORT ANSWER, UM, COUNCILWOMAN, UH, MOLINA IS A 75% REDUCTION. SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRUCKING VERSUS RAIL, AND THIS IS FROM THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF RAILROADS, FREIGHT IS MINIMALLY, MINIMALLY THREE TIMES MORE FUEL EFFICIENT THAN TRUCKS. A TRAIN CAN CARRY ONE TON OF THESE RENEWABLE FUELS ON A SINGLE GALLON OF FUEL. TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD TAKE HUNDREDS OF TRUCKS TO CARRY THE SAME AMOUNT OF CARGO AS ONE TRAIN. IT'S WHEN, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE REALITY OF A TRUCK ENGINE AND A LOCOMOTIVE ENGINE, UM, YES, A A A SINGLE LOCOMOTIVE ENGINE IS LESS, IT WILL BURN MORE AND, AND PRODUCE MORE EMISSIONS THAN A SINGLE TRUCK ENGINE. HOWEVER, THAT'S, THAT'S MISLEADING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FOCUS ON A SINGLE ENGINE AND IT DOESN'T COUNT ACCOUNT FOR THE TRAIN'S SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER CARRYING CAPACITY AND, AND FUEL EFFICIENCY. SO THE ANSWER ON THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS ARE, AND, AND, AND THESE CALCULATIONS AND THE METHODOLOGY COMES FROM AMERICAN RAIL ASSOCIATION. THESE ARE NOT CALCULATIONS [03:10:01] THAT, THAT WE FORMULATED 75% LESS GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, 10 TIMES LESS INTENSIVE EMISSIONS ON A PER TON BASIS. SO IT, IT'S VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT. AND AGAIN, I, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH, IT WOULD TAKE HUNDREDS OF TRUCKS TO REPLACE ONE TRAIN. BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER BECAUSE THAT'S THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND THAT'S SEPARATE AND OR ARE YOU SAYING ALL OF IT COMBINED OR BECAUSE ALL OF IT COMBINED FOR ME, IT'S THE DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER THAT'S, THAT'S ALL OF IT COMBINED. ALL OF IT COMBINED, YEP. OKAY. IF I CAN ADD TO THAT. SO DOES THAT, UH, THE, THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF THESE TRUCKS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, TRAVELING THESE MANY MILLIONS OF MILES, IF THE TRUCKS ARE ON, IF 70% OF THESE TRUCKS ARE ON CLEAN FUELS ON, IN FACT, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE STATISTIC THAT I LEARNED FROM BILL WHEN WE WERE HAVING OUR DISCUSSIONS PRIOR TO TONIGHT. HE SAID, UM, UP TO 70% OF THE TRUCKS TODAY ACTUALLY RUN ON CLEAN FUELS. CORRECT. SO DO THE, DO THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SH ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW, DOES THAT RELY ON THE TRUCKS BEING 70% OF THE TRUCKS BEING ON DIESEL, UH, ON CLEAN DIESEL? WELL, THAT WE TAKE, WE TOOK A VERY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH. IT'S ACTUALLY HIGHER AND IT'S MORE EFFICIENT WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE, THE 70 TO 75% THAT ARE ALREADY RUN RUNNING ON THESE FUELS. SO OUR, OUR METHODOLOGY, WE TOOK, WE TOOK A MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH, A WORST CASE ANALYSIS. AND THE NUMBERS ARE ACTUALLY BETTER WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE REALITY OF WHAT THEY'RE RUNNING ON. SO THE EMISSIONS FROM THE CLEANER TR CLEANER FUELED TRUCKS MM-HMM . ARE BETTER. CORRECT. BUT NOW IF THEY ARE GONNA GO ON TRAIN, IF THIS DIESEL, IF THESE BIOFUELS ARE NOW GONNA GO ON TRAIN, THE TRAIN ISN'T GONNA BE ANY BETTER. NO. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CARRYING CAPACITY OF THE TRAIN AGAINST THE EMISSIONS OF THE CLEANER OF THE, OF THE DIESEL TRUCKS THAT ARE RUNNING RENEWABLE DIESEL, YOU STILL GET EXPONENTIAL EFFICIENCIES BECAUSE YOU'RE MOVING MORE CARGO WITH ONE LOCOMOTIVE. SO IT TAKES MORE TRUCKS TO CARRY THE, THE SAME AMOUNT OF CARGO. AND EVEN THOUGH THOSE TRUCKS ARE BURNING CLEANER DIESEL, YOU'RE STILL LESS EFFICIENT THAN, THAN THE LOCOMOTIVES. OKAY. UM, AND, AND IS THAT, UH, WE WERE DISCUSSING, UH, MARCUS AND I, WHETHER THAT LONG HAUL SPOT, YOU KNOW, FROM FROM LA DOWN, ARE THOSE EMISSIONS FROM THE RAIL? ARE THOSE NUMBERS PART OF THE, UM, EIR PERTINENT TO NATIONAL CITY? I'M, I'M GONNA ASK OUR, OUR EIR AUTHOR TO COME UP. DAVID, IF YOU OR, OR SETH WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT. THERE'S, THERE'S A VERY, IT'S A VERY TECHNICAL QUESTION AND IT'S VERY SPECIFIC IN EIR. SURE. HI, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. UH, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. YOUR QUESTION, UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT IT PLEASE? SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LONG HAUL RAIL, UM, TRANSIT RIGHT FROM LONG BEACH AREA OR WHEREVER IT IS IN LA YES. DOWN TO NATIONAL CITY. THE EMISSIONS COMING FROM THE RAIL MM-HMM . TRAINS DURING THAT LONG HAUL. ARE THOSE EMISSIONS PART OF THE CALCULATIONS THAT ARE USED IN THE EIR FOR THE NATIONAL CITY AREA? ARE THEY CALCULATED IN THERE? YES. SO THE, UH, OPERATIONAL EMISSIONS OF DELIVERING THE FUEL BY RAIL, EXCUSE ME, OUR COUNTY IN THE EIR ANALYSIS, IN THE AIR QUALITY ANALYSIS, IT ASSUMES THAT THERE'S A 63 MILE TRIP FROM THE COUNTY LINE, THE ORANGE COUNTY, SAN DIEGO COUNTY LINE DOWN TO THE PROJECT SITE. SO THE, THE INFORMATION THAT'S PRESENTED IN OUR EIR ABOUT DAILY EMISSIONS IS INCLUSIVE OF BOTH TRUCK TRIPS, MOBILE SOURCES, STATIONARY SOURCES, AS WELL AS THE RAIL SOURCES. SO THAT LONG HAUL WITHIN THE COUNTY LINE. CORRECT. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU, MS. MAYOR. UM, I DO HAVE, UH, SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU ALL. I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE, BUT, UM, WE MAY HAVE TO TAG TEAM A LITTLE BIT . THANKS. JUST AS A CURIOSITY, HOW MANY OTHER TRANSFER STATIONS DO YOU OPERATE AROUND THE COUNTRY? UH, CLEAN FUELS STATIONS. HOW MANY TRANSFER STATIONS DO YOU ALL OPERATE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY CURRENTLY? CORRECT? WE HAVE, WE HAVE ONE OPERATIONAL IN CALIFORNIA NOW. TWO. TWO, I'M SORRY. TWO. [03:15:01] YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. AND, UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER THAT'S IN THE PROCESS OF BEING COMMERCIALIZED AND CONSTRUCTED. IT'S PERMITTED. AND HOW ABOUT NATIONWIDE? BUT WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF FACILITIES. WHAT WE HAVE DONE HISTORICALLY IS BUILT THESE FACILITIES TERMINALS OF, OF VARIOUS KINDS. SO WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST COMPANIES, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN ETHANOL BECAME THE NEW OXYGENATE FOR GASOLINE, THAT WAS ENVIRONMENTALLY PREFERRED. SO WE BUILT A LARGE NETWORK OF ETHANOL FACILITIES. AND THEN WE'RE A DEVELOPMENT COMPANY. OUR GOAL IS NOT TO KEEP BUILDING AND OPERATING. WE SELL THEM. SO WE'VE HAD AT LEAST TWO SIGNIFICANT SALES WHERE WE WILL BUILD THESE FACILITIES AND THEN SELL THEM TO OTHER PARTIES AND MONETIZE BOTH OF THOSE SALES HAPPENED BEFORE I JOINED THE COMPANY SEVEN YEARS AGO. I SEE. AND SO, AND THEN WE HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER FACILITIES THAT DO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY CLEAN FUELS TERMINALS. AND SO TWO OF THEM IN CALIFORNIA. HOW MANY OF 'EM, UM, COUNTRYWIDE FOR FUEL TRANSFER STATIONS THAT YOU, FOR FUEL, FOR FUEL THAT YOU CURRENTLY OPERATE? I, I THINK THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES WE ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING BECAUSE THE OTHER ONES WE'VE DEVELOPED AND SOLD AND THEN WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, CRUDE OIL FACILITIES FROM CANADA AND VARIOUS PLACES THAT NEED IT. I SEE. SO THE BUSINESS MODEL IS, IS TO BUILD THEM AND THEN TO, WE SELL THEM OVERTIME DEPENDING ON THE PROFIT MARGIN. WELL, WHAT WE DO IS WE DO THAT AND THEN PEOPLE LIKE THEM, SOMETIMES OUR CUSTOMERS, SOMETIMES OTHER PEOPLE, AND THEY SAY, WE WANNA BUY YOUR NETWORK. 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DEVELOP 'EM. SO THEY, THEY BUY THEM. AND SO OUR, OUR, THE COMPANY'S APPROACH HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN WE BUILD THINGS THAT WE ARE HAPPY OPERATING AND ARE QUALITY. AND THEN IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND THEY VALUE 'EM MORE THAN WE DO, THEN THE OWNERS OF THE COMPANY DECIDE THEY'RE HAPPY TO SELL 'EM AND WE WILL GO REPEAT THE PROCESS. IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT THAT'S MAYBE SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERATE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IN THE FUTURE SEEN AS THAT, AS YOUR BUSINESS MODEL? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THAT COULD HAPPEN. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK AT THIS STAGE, THESE ARE PRETTY EARLY STAGE FACILITIES WITH CLEAN FUELS, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, USUALLY THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME SCALE. YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A FRANCHISE. IF YOU'RE RUNNING RESTAURANTS, NO ONE TYPICALLY WANTS TO BUY TWO OR THREE OF 'EM. THEY WANT YOU TO HAVE ENOUGH THAT THE REVENUE MODELS AND STUFF THEY JUMP INTO. BUT YEAH, WE WOULD BE CERTAINLY, WE'D BE OPEN TO THAT IN OUR BUSINESS MODEL. OKAY. AND DO YOU KNOW CURRENTLY HOW MANY OF YOUR, THE TRUCKS THAT BRING THE FUEL FROM SAN BERNARDINO AND LONG BEACH, HOW MANY OF THEM PASS THROUGH NATIONAL CITY NOW? DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA? WE DO NOT. I WOULD SAY, HELP ME, I THINK THE ROUGH CALCULATION, IF WE CAN DO ROUGH MATH, AND I'M NOT THE ONE TO DO IT, BUT IF, IF WE THINK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF THE SIZE OF OUR FACILITY THAT I THINK IN OUR INFORMATION SAYS AN APPROXIMATELY 30, 35 MILE RADIUS OF SERVICE AROUND HERE. MM-HMM . OBVIOUSLY NOT THE WATER, BUT THE LAND. AND SO WE COULD PROBABLY EQUATE THAT TO HOW MUCH A FUEL TRUCK CARRIES AND COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER OF DELIVERY TRUCKS. I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY TRUCKS DRIVE BY NATIONAL CITY THAT BRING THE FUEL FROM THE TRANSPORTATIONS IN SAN BERNARDINO AND IN LA COUNTY. CAN YEAH, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU, CAN YOU COME UP AND, AND SPEAK? SO FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE LIVE ON ZOOMS. SO THE QUESTION AROUND HOW MANY TRUCKS ORIGINATE AT ONE OF OUR INLAND EMPIRE FACILITIES, WEST COLTON OR SAN BERNARDINO ACTUALLY COME INTO NATIONAL CITY DRIVE THROUGH NATIONAL CITY NOW HOW MANY TRUCKS DRIVE THROUGH? WE CAN, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE THAT, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE WOULD GO BACK AND WE'D LOOK AT OUR BILL OF LADINGS AND WE CAN TRACE TRUCKS FROM ORIGIN TO DESTINATION LOCATIONS AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. OKAY. UM, THIS HAS BEEN ALLUDED TO BEFORE, BUT IN CASE THERE'S A GAS BILL ON, ON THE SITE THAT YOU WOULD OPERATE, UM, WHO WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THE CLEANUP? WHO WOULD PAY FOR IT IF THERE WERE A GAS SPILL? IF THERE WAS A FUEL SPILL WITHIN THE FACILITY THAT YOU ALL OPERATE, WHO WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THE CLEANUP? THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY. THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. AND, UM, WHAT ABOUT ANY SECONDARY IMPACTS TO A POTENTIAL GAS SPILL? CAN YOU BE SPECIFIC? SO THERE'S A SPILL IN A STREET [03:20:01] SURROUNDING AND, UH, THE FUEL GOES THROUGH THE GUTTERS. YEAH. LIKE IT HAPPENED IN EL CAJON LAST YEAR. YEAH. WHO IS IN CHARGE RESPONSIBILITY? THAT WOULD ALSO BE OUR, FOR THAT RESPONSIBILITY. YOU ALL WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? YES. AND THE VICINITY OF YOUR PROPERTY? CORRECT. OKAY. UM, DO YOU KNOW, AND WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION LAST WEEK, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY, UH, TRAINED DERAILMENTS HAVE HAPPENED IN CALIFORNIA THIS YEAR? UM, YOU, YOU HAD THAT STATISTIC LAST WEEK? I, I DON'T RECALL THE NUMBER. UH, ACCORDING TO THE FEDERAL RAILROAD ADMINISTRATION, UH, WHICH IS A PUBLIC OFFICE, UH, THERE WERE 65 DERAILMENTS THIS YEAR ALONE. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM WERE IN BNSF FACILITIES? I DO NOT. 28. WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CASE OF A DERAILMENT IN ONE OF YOUR TRANSFER STATIONS? WELL, I'M GONNA BRING ALEX BACK UP BECAUSE SHE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT THE CONTAINMENT AND, AND, OKAY. HEY AUDIENCE, UH, I'M GONNA ASK YOU GUYS TO PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL. WE'RE TRYING TO, THIS IS A PUBLIC, THIS IS AQUA, THIS IS A, THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL, THIS IS A QUA, A QUASI-JUDICIAL PUBLIC HEARING. WE NEED TO HAVE ALL OF THE FACTS HERE. SO I'M ASKING THE AUDIENCE MEMBERS TO BE RESPECTFUL. WE HAVE TO RESPECT THE APPLICANTS. THE APPLICANTS HAVE TO RESPECT YOU ALL. SO WE'RE JUST GONNA ASK YOU GUYS TO JUST BE RESPECTFUL. THAT'S IT, TED. YOU'RE OUTTA LINE. SO STOP, PLEASE CONTINUE. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. UM, BEFORE I LET ALEX TALK ABOUT THE CONTAINMENT, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BRING UP A POINT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK. AND THAT IS, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT DERAILMENTS AND THE NUMBER OF DERAILMENTS IN CALIFORNIA, AND YOU, YOU MENTIONED ON BNSF RAIL TRACK, UM, KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN THE RAIL CARS COME INTO OUR FACILITY, THEY'RE TRAVELING AT LESS THAN 10 MILES PER HOUR, TYPICALLY CLOSER TO FIVE MILES PER HOUR. SO THE RISK OF A DERAILMENT IS EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY LOW. AND IF THERE IS A DERAILMENT AT THOSE SPEEDS, IT'S NOT THE TYPE OF DERAILMENT THAT YOU SEE ON THE HEADLINE NEWS WHERE YOU HAVE TRAINS GOING ALONG AT 40, 50, 60 MILES AN HOUR AND YOU HAVE MULTIPLE CARS PILING UP IN RELEASES. THESE ARE VERY SLOW MOVING RAIL CARS IN A VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT. AND I'LL LET ALEX FOLLOW UP WITH SOME MORE DISCUSSION ON THE CONTAINMENT. WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU MIND REPEATING YOUR QUESTION AGAIN? JUST WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CASE OF A, OF A CAR DERAILMENT? YEAH. ON THE TRAIN TRACKS WHILE IT'S AT OUR FACILITY? IS THAT THE QUESTION OR? CORRECT. OKAY. SO THERE IS CONTAINMENT UNDERNEATH BOTH THE RAIL CARS AND THE TRUCK, AND IT GOES TO A COMPLETELY CLOSED SYSTEM. SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY LIQUID THAT WOULD GO INTO WATERWAYS OR INTO SEWER SYSTEMS. SO ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS ON OUR SITE, THAT'S WHAT THE CONTAINMENT IS FOR. OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AND PART OF YOUR QUESTION HAS BEEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF, YOU KNOW, BNSF HAD DERAILMENTS, I MEAN, WE WOULD WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM TO ENSURE SAFETY. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK A HUGE COMPONENT IS US WORKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE TO ENSURE THAT AS THEY SPOT AND DELIVER FROM OUR FACILITY, SPEEDS ARE RESPECTED, RIGHT? OPERATING PRACTICES ARE RESPECTED, AND ALONGSIDE THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE INFRASTRUCTURE IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WERE TO HAPPEN. SO WALK ME THROUGH THIS CAR DERAILMENT LOW SPEEDS. IT MEANS THAT IT, A A, A TRAIN TRACK GOES OFF TRACK. HOW DO YOU ALL GET IT BACK ON TRACK? SO WHEN IT'S AT A LOW SPEED, THE, THE RAIL CAR ITSELF WILL SKIP THE TRACK. IT DOESN'T MEAN THE RAIL CAR FALLS OVER. IT TYPICALLY SKIPS. AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THERE'S EQUIPMENT THAT COME AND LIFT IT BACK ONTO THE TRACK SO THAT IT'S LEVEL AND IT CAN BE MOVED AGAIN. IT'S, IT'S NOT A VERY LONG PROCESS AND ALL OF THAT EQUIPMENT IS IN WITHIN THE BNSF YARD TO SUPPORT THAT. BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. YEAH. IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE FEDERAL WEBSITE ON HOW MANY BNSF DERAILMENTS THERE ARE IN CALIFORNIA ALONE MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, I KNOW THIS QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER, BUT I JUST WANNA CLARIFY ON THIS. SO I UNDERSTAND YOU ALL ARE TRANSFERRING THE FUEL UNDER THIS PROPOSAL AND YOU ARE A MIDDLE COMPANY MM-HMM . THAT IS THEN UTILIZING A THIRD PARTY COMPANY TO TRANSPORT THE FUEL TO THE DESTINATIONS WHICH ARE FUELING STATIONS. RIGHT. WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CASE, BECAUSE WE'RE INEVITABLY UNDER THIS PROPOSAL GOING TO GET MORE OF THIS 18 WHEELER TRAFFIC THROUGH NATIONAL CITY MM-HMM . IN THE CASE OF A DERAILMENT, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? OH, NOT A DERAILMENT, BUT LIKE A CRASH OR, OR, OR SOME KIND OF SPILL FROM THE 18 WHEELER COMING OUT OF YOUR [03:25:01] FACILITY. WHAT HAPPENS THEN? WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? SO ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WE DO NOT OWN THE CONTRACT WITH THE TRUCKING COMPANY THAT WOULD BE DELIVERING THE FUEL FROM THE TRANSFER STATION. RIGHT? SO WE WOULD TAKE FUEL FROM THE RAIL CAR, PUT IT INTO TRUCK, AND THEN THE TRUCKS DELIVER WITHIN A 30 MILE RADIUS TO PROVIDE THESE CLEAN FUELS TO LOCAL GAS STATIONS. RIGHT. HOWEVER, THOSE TRUCKS, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO MEET DOT REQUIREMENTS. SO THERE IS A LEVEL OF INVOLVEMENT WITH DOT ON THESE TRUCKS. ONCE THEY LEAVE OUR FACILITY. I MEAN, OF COURSE WE HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES WITHIN OUR SITE AND THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL OF OUR PROTOCOLS. THEY HAVE SEPARATE CONTRACTS WITH CUSTOMERS FOR THAT FUEL, AND THOSE TRUCKS WOULD BE REGULATED BY DOT ON THOSE ROADS. SO THERE'S GONNA BE PROTOCOL IN, IN, IN THE CASE THAT THERE IS AN ACCIDENT OUTSIDE OF OUR FACILITY, BUT ON REGULAR ROADWAYS. SO YOU ALL WOULD ESSENTIALLY NOT BE RESPONSIBLE. THAT RESPONSIBILITY IS IN THE HANDS OF THE THIRD PARTY COMPANY. HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE OWNER OPERATORS? UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE CONTRACT. THE TRUCK, I, HOW MANY OWNER OPERATORS DO YOU HAVE NOW? SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE OPERATORS, AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY. SO THEY WOULD COME AS TRACKERS TO OUR FACILITY, WE WOULD QUALIFY THEM TO SERVICE OUR FACILITY TO PICK UP THE FUEL. AND THERE'S PROBABLY A HANDFUL, YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK OF OUR FACILITIES AT, UH, WEST COLTON IN SAN BERNARDINO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN 10, LESS THAN 10 OWNERS, UH, LIKE, UM, TRUCKING COMPANIES THAT WOULD SERVICE. CORRECT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE OWNER OPERATORS NECESSARILY. MM-HMM . MY, MY, THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS BECAUSE OF THE CONCERN THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD INEVITABLY BRING MORE OF THESE 18 WHEELERS THROUGH NATIONAL CITY AND YOU WOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM, BUT A THIRD PARTY COMPANY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM. AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT THIRD PARTY COMPANY WHO THEY ARE, THEY'RE NOT HERE, THEY'RE NOT APPLICANTS. I UNDERSTAND. BUT, UM, WHAT'S TO SAY THAT THEY UNDER ONE OF THESE CIRCUMSTANCES SIMPLY GO BANKRUPT THEN WHO'S LEFT FOOTING THE BILL? SO I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT I'M BRINGING UP AND, AND A POTENTIAL IMPACT. IT HAPPENED JUST LAST YEAR HERE IN EL CAJON. SO IT IS CERTAINLY FRESH ON OUR MIND. UM, LAST QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR YOU ALL. UM, HOW WOULD YOU ASSURE THAT 18 WHEELERS AREN'T IDLING BY WHILE THEY'RE WAITING TO BE, UM, UH, FILLED UP? 'CAUSE THERE IS A FIVE MINUTE LIMIT FOR IDLING. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REGULATORY REQUIREMENT AND AS I SAID, OUR FACILITIES ARE MANNED 24 7 AND OUR EXPECTATION OF, UM, TRUCKS THAT COME TO OUR FACILITY IS THEY ABIDE BY THESE REGULATIONS AND WE WOULD TOO. SO WHEN WE HAVE STAFF ON SITE, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THESE THINGS ARE ABIDED BY MM-HMM . SO YOU ALL ESSENTIALLY ARE RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE CONDITIONS ARE MET AND FOLLOWED. YEAH, IT'S THE LAW. THEY CAN'T IDLE FOR MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES. I UNDERSTAND. I HOPE YOU ALSO UNDERSTAND THE QUESTIONS. I KNOW IT SOUNDS MAYBE SILLY. NO, I UNDERSTAND. BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES IN THE CITY THAT DON'T COMPLY AND DON'T REALLY CARE. AND IT IS A COST FOR CONCERN FOR MANY OF US, INCLUDING MYSELF. SO YEAH, OF COURSE. YES. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING ALL THE QUESTIONS. OH, I'M SORRY, JUST A, A CLARIFY, UH, A QUESTION THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN RODRIGUEZ BROUGHT UP AND, AND, UM, ON THE, THE RISK FOR THE DERAILMENT THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER FOR DOING THAT, THAT RESEARCH AND LOOKING THAT UP. SO JUST, UM, SO YOU, YOU ALL ARE SAYING THAT THERE'S LESS OF A RISK OF DERAILMENT BECAUSE OF THE LOW SPEEDS. WAS THAT WHAT YOU, YOU WERE SAYING LOW SPEEDS, WHICH IS HOW, SO HOW MUCH WERE THE SPEEDS GOING IN, UM, ENTERING THE FACILITY BASICALLY IN NATIONAL CITY? IN AND OUT OF SPEEDS? IN AND OUT OF, IN AND OUT OF THE FACILITY, IT WOULD BE 10 MILES PER HOUR OR LESS. OKAY. AND SO AT THOSE SLOW SPEEDS, SAFETY CAN BE RESPECTED. RIGHT. OKAY. AND WERE THOSE DERAILMENTS, UM, DID, WERE THOSE AT BELOW 10 MILES PER HOUR? I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ, UH, ENTERED, UH, KNEW, KNEW THAT, UM, ABOUT THE, THE SPEED. I'M JUST TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT THE RISK 'CAUSE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, CONCERNING THE NUMBER OF THE DERAILMENT. SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE, WHAT THE RISK LEVEL IS. SO WE DON'T, IT NEEDS A GOVERNMENT WEBSITE SAY THAT IT IS A GOVERNMENT WEBSITE, SAFETY DATA SAFETY DATA.F.DOT.GOV, AND YOU'RE ABLE TO SEARCH BASED ON REGION, STATE, AND, UH, IT DOES GIVE A REPORT ON EACH OF THE INCIDENTS. UM, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHERE IT IS AND WHAT IT IS, BUT THE INCIDENTS VARY FROM EQUIPMENT DAMAGE TO TRACK DAMAGE TO HIGH SPEEDS, TO LOW SPEEDS. SO IT REALLY VARIES. THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT. APPRECIATE THAT. [03:30:01] MR. CHAIRMAN. REDIRECT? UH, SORRY. UM, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THOSE, UH, COMMENTS. SO, UM, MS. ALEX, CORRECT? YES. UM, YOU SAID THAT, UM, THE THIRD PARTY WAS SORT OF TRUCKING BUSINESS. UM, YOU, UM, YOU, UM, CHECK THEM OR MAKE THEM ELIGIBLE TO BE A QUALIFICATION? YES. QUALIFICATION, THEY TO BE QUALIFIED TO ENTER A FACILITY QUALIFICATION. CORRECT. UM, YOUR ORGANIZATION QUALIFIES THOSE TRUCK VENDORS? YES. YES. AND RIGHT NOW YOU SAID YOU HAVE ABOUT 10 TRUCKING VENDORS THAT TRANSFER THIS, UH, FUEL TO THEIR FINAL DESTINATION. CORRECT. SO YOU QUALIFY THOSE, UM, CORRECT THOSE VENDORS? YES. AND THEN, UM, THOSE, UM, DERAILMENT WERE THERE WERE, WERE THEY CARRYING, UM, THEIR, YOU UNFORTUNATELY, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ALL THE SPECIFIC DERAILMENTS THAT YOU'VE SOURCED ON THE WEBSITE AND, UM, SO I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY WOULD'VE BEEN CARRYING FOR THAT. UM, SO INCOMING BNSF INCOMING RAIL YES. OR, OR, OR, OR TRACK OR WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? UM, TRAIN IS LESS THAN 10 MILES INTO OUR CITY. INTO THE FACILITY. INTO THE FACILITY, CORRECT? YES, RIGHT INTO THE FACILITY. OKAY. SO, UM, THE AILMENT, UM, IS HIGHLY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU SEE IMPOSSIBLE HMM. IT'S VERY SLOW SPEEDS FOR WHICH, UM, DRIVES SAFETY AND ADHERENCE TO OPERATING PRACTICES. SO PART OF, AND THIS IS A NEW RAIL TRACK THAT IS THAT THEY, THAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD, SO, RIGHT? CORRECT. CORRECT. SO THE VN HAS TRACK, SO THIS IS APPROVED. YEAH. YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A, UH, THE TRACKING SPUR RAIL. YES. CORRECT. SO IT SAYS, SO THEN IT'S NEW, SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY BROKEN RAILS, MISALIGNED SWITCHES, MECHANICAL FAILURES, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. YES. LOW SPEED. CORRECT. AND THEN THE TRACKING THAT YOU, UM, THAT YOU, UM, UM, CONSULT WITH OR, OR CONTRACT WITH ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN ARE QUALIFIED BY YOU, CORRECT? YES. AND ARE THERE ANY SIGNIFICANT ACCIDENTS FROM YOUR, UM, SINCE YOU, YOU'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR A LONG TIME, HAVE YOU HAVE HAD ANY ACCIDENTS THAT WILL, UM, YOU, I MEAN YOUR, YOU, YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD, BUT I NEED YOU TO, WE, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY REPORTABLE INCIDENTS OR SPILLS SINCE, UH, EVER. 2008 IS WHEN WE BEGAN, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY REPORTABLE SPILLS OR ACCIDENTS ON ANY OF OUR FACILITIES. THANK YOU. UM, MEMBER. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, ALEX, SINCE YOU'RE UP HERE, I WANTED TO ASK YOU, UH, REGARDING HOW MANY, UM, UH, TRAINS OR OR RAIL CARS, LENGTHS OF RAIL CARS WILL COME INTO THE FACILITY, LIKE ON A WEEKLY BASIS? SO WHAT THEY WILL DO IS THE BNSF WILL SPOT. UM, SO IN THE ONE SCHEMATIC YOU COULD SEE THERE WAS THE TWO UNLOADING TRACKS AND THEN FIVE, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE CLOSER? THE MIC? YEAH. MY VOICE DOESN'T PROJECT VERY FAR. MY APOLOGIES. UM, SO THEY WILL COME IN AND DROP BLOCKS OF CARS INTO THE UNLOADING TRACKS AND INTO THE STORAGE TRACKS, AND THEY WILL CROSS OVER CIVIC CENTER DRIVE, TYPICALLY IN THE EVENING. AND YOU WOULD WOULD SEE IT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY BETWEEN 6:00 PM AND 6:00 AM AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, UH, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, EACH, EACH TRACK IS GONNA HOLD, UM, I'M DRAWING A BLANK ON THE LENGTH OF THE TRACK IN THIS MOMENT. AND I LOOKED, YES, 12 CARS ON EACH TRACK. YEAH. AND SO THEY WILL COME, THEY WILL BRING IT IN IN SECTIONS, PUSH IT INTO THE TRACK, PULL OUT, GRAB ANOTHER SECTION, AND THEY'LL FILL IT. AND THAT WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY WILL BRING THE LOADS, PUT IT ONTO THE STORAGE TRACKS, WE THEN UNLOAD FROM THE RAIL CAR INTO THE TRACK, AND THEN WITH THE EMPTIES, THEY PULL THE EMPTIES AND WOULD RESPO WITH LOADS. SO YOU'RE CROSSING CIVIC CENTER CORRECT. WITH EITHER FULL RAIL TRUCKS FULL AND EMPTY? YEAH. RAIL CARS. RAIL CARS, YEP. UM, EVERY DAY, EVERY NIGHT AT 6:00 PM NO, NOT AT 6:00 PM BETWEEN 6:00 PM AND 6:00 AM THEY WILL CROSS BACK AND FORTH TO SWITCH IN AND OUT OF THE FACILITY. AND THAT'S EVERY DAY? IT COULD BE. THANK YOU. OKAY. QUESTION I HAVE, [03:35:01] AND I'M NOT TOO SURE IF YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ANSWER OR NOT, BUT WE'LL SEE. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, YOU KNOW, AS I UNDERSTAND THE CLEAN FUELS GREAT THING ABOUT IT IS, IS 'CAUSE YOU, YOU CAN USE IT IN A DIESEL ENGINE WITHOUT ANY ADAPTATION. CORRECT. OKAY. MY QUESTION IS, WHAT FUEL DOES BNSF USE? THEIR ENGINES ARE DIESEL ENGINES, SO ARE THEY GONNA BE SWITCHING OVER TO THIS FUEL? UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN'T COMMENT. I DON'T WORK FOR THE RAILWAY . YEAH, I MEAN, UH, I I DON'T THINK GOD EVEN WORKS FOR THE RAILROADS, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. , UH, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT ANYWAY, UM, OKAY. YEAH. BUT YEAH, 'CAUSE I MEAN, THAT COULD GREATLY REDUCE EMISSIONS IF THE, THE, IF THE, UH, THE TRAINS WERE USING THE, THIS TYPE FUEL ALSO. OKAY. UH, ONLY THING I'VE, YOU KNOW, I I THINK NOW WE, WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE, UH, THE PUBLIC, WE'VE GOT A GOOD NUMBER OF, UH, SLIPS HERE. UH, OKAY. I'M GONNA BE CALLING UP THREE PEOPLE AT A TIME. PLEASE GET, WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, GO AHEAD AND COME OUT INTO THE MIDDLE AREA SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT, YOU KNOW, EACH TIME FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO COME OUT. AND IF SOME, IF PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY, IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT IF YOU COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH, I AGREE WITH WHAT WAS SAID, AND, UH, AND SO THAT WE CAN MOVE ALONG AND HEAR AS MANY DIFFERING IDEAS AS POSSIBLE. AND, UH, BUT WE DO WANNA HEAR FROM EVERYONE, EVERYONE, OPPORTUNITY. AND I'LL SAY FOR THIS, FOR MY DECISION IN LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC, I DO WANT THIS TO BE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A, A, A DIALOGUE TOO. SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN TO HEAR YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF WE ASK THEM, ASK THE APPLICANTS TO PUT AS A CONDITION ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES, BECAUSE FOR ME, I'LL SAY THE BIGGEST ISSUE I HAVE WITH THE PROJECT IS THE POLLUTION. SO I'M NOT AGAINST INDUSTRY, UH, I'M AGAINST THE POLLUTION. AND SO I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL TO WHAT EXTENT AND WHAT IDEAS YOU HAVE TO REDUCE THE POLLUTION. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL. OKAY? OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA START THIS OFF. UM, TED GOTCH, FOLLOWED BY MARGARET GOTCH, FOLLOWED BY JOSH, CHRIS FILLER. I'M, I'M, I'LL MESS UP SOME OF THESE NAMES. I KNOW IT. OKAY, JOSH, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE. OKAY. ALRIGHT, TWO MINUTES. EVERYONE GOOD? GOT CHUCK HERE. WE'VE HEARD A LOT. I'VE STUDIED THIS FOR A LONG TIME, SINCE DAY ONE. TONIGHT WE HEAR SOME NEW THINGS. THANK YOU FOR DISTILLING WHAT YOU DID TONIGHT. NO ONE HERE STAFF YOU EHC. THE COASTAL COMMISSION HAS VETTED THE CALCULATIONS AND THE CLAIMS BY THE APPLICANT TONIGHT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS RUNNING CLEAN FUEL. 75% OUT THERE. WE DON'T KNOW THAT. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. YOU CAN'T TRUST THAT THE AMERICAN RAIL ASSOCIATION'S CLAIMS. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. YOU CAN'T VERIFY THAT TONIGHT. HERE ARE MY PREPARED COMMENTS. TODAY YOU'LL HEAR AND READ TESTIMONY FROM BOTH SIDES OF A VERY CONTENTIOUS ISSUE FACING THE RESIDENCE. IT IS CLEAR THAT THERE IS NO DESIRE TO HAVE A FUEL TRANSFER STATION IN NATIONAL CITY. THE FACTS ARE CLEAR. THE RESIDENTS DO NOT THINK CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WILL BE ENFORCED. THAT'S BY YOU. THE RESIDENTS DO NOT FEEL THAT THEY WILL BE PROTECTED FROM NOISE, FUMES, TRAIN AND DIESEL EMISSIONS AND POSSIBLE FIRE EVENTS REGARDLESS OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. THERE IS A POWERFUL LANDOWNER INVOLVED. THE BNSF RAILROAD OWNED BY WARREN BUFFET WANTS TO MAKE MONEY AT OUR EXPENSE. WE LEARNED TONIGHT THAT THIS COULD BE, UH, SPECULATION. IT COULD BE INCREASED IN VALUE AND SOLD TO ANOTHER PERSON. WE ALSO LEARNED THAT YOU SAID THIRD PARTY TRUCKERS. THERE COULD BE INDEPENDENT DRIVERS OF ONE TRUCK THAT COME INTO THIS SITE. YOU MIGHT HAVE 50 DRIVERS WORK IN THIS SITE. THEY'RE ALREADY IDLING IN OUR COMMUNITY. THEY'RE ALREADY SPEEDING DOWN CLEVELAND AVENUE. WE DON'T TRUST TRUCK ROUTES HERE. $200,000 DOES NOT CHANGE THIS. AND PLEASE STOP NEGOTIATING THIS. THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T A NEGOTIATION. THIS IS THE SAME STORY FACING THE PEOPLE OF LA WHO HAVE LIVED NEAR LANDFILLS THAT ARE ACCEPTING ASH FROM THE PALESTINES FIRES. IT'S THE SAME STORY AS THE NATIVE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOUGHT PIPELINES RUNNING THROUGH THEIR HOMELANDS. IT'S THE SAME STORY AS THE PEOPLE OF BARRIO LOGAN FIGHTING AGAINST BIOFUELS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WILL NOT MAKE PROGRESS AS A COMMUNITY IF WE HAVE LEADERS WHO MAKE DEALS AND ACCEPT PROJECTS LIKE WE HAVE SUFFERED WITH FOR THE LAST 100 YEARS. I BROUGHT A NEWSPAPER TONIGHT FROM 1965, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. OKAY. AND THIS 1965 NEWS ARTICLE EXPLAINS THAT THE WEST SIDE PEOPLE WERE FIGHTING THE CITY, CHANGING THEIR COMMUNITY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. STILL FIGHTING MARGARET GODSHAW, FOLLOWED BY JOSH CHRIS FELLER, FOLLOWED BY. OKAY, IF YOU'RE APPLAUDING, THEN THAT'S GONNA TAKE MORE TIME AND PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA HEAR, UH, WHO'S GONNA NEXT? AND AFTER THAT, ENRIQUE SANCHEZ SADA. MARGARET, GOOD EVENING, MARGARET ALOS. SCOTT SHOCK. I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE ERRONEOUS NOTION THAT USD FUELS THE APPLICANT CAN IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR [03:40:01] FORM CONTROL WHICH VEHICLES THE INDEPENDENT TRUCK DRIVERS USE TO TRANSFER THE FUEL. THEY CANNOT DO IT. AT THE MEETING THAT THEY HAD AT THE HOTEL, AND I ASKED THEM ABOUT ZERO EMISSION, THEY SAID IT CANNOT BE DONE AT THE LIBRARY. AT THE SCOPING MEETING, THEY SAID IT WAS UNFEASIBLE. THEY CAN'T DO IT. SO IF YOU ARE SAYING, OH, WE ARE GONNA SAY THE CITY IS GONNA TELL THE APPLICANT THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN TRUCK DRIVERS, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. AND THEY'RE TELLING YOU IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. THEY'RE TELLING YOU THAT. WELL, WE CAN TELL BNSF THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN KIND OF, BUT THEY CANNOT INSURE IT. THEY'LL TELL YOU WHATEVER YOU WANNA HEAR, AND IT'S NOT TRUE. THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE TRUCK DRIVERS AND WHAT KIND OF FUEL THEY'RE USING. AND I BELIEVE YOU KNOW THAT. I BELIEVE YOU KNOW THAT. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT YOU BELIEVE FAMILIES, WORKERS, AND CHILDREN AS CLOSE AS TWO BLOCKS AWAY. THE KIMBALL APARTMENTS OR THE MCKINNEY APARTMENTS ARE SAFE WITH 75 DIESEL TRUCKS COMING THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY, AND THEN IDLING. I'VE HAD TO GO UP TO TRUCKS AND BEAT ON THEIR DOORS TO TELL 'EM TO STOP IDLING AFTER IDLING FOR AN HOUR. I'VE CALLED UP THE COPS, I'VE USED CCL FIX. IT DOES NOT WORK. THOSE TRUCKS WILL SIT THERE AND IDLE AND IDLE AND IDLE UNTIL I FINALLY GET THEIR ATTENTION AFTER BANGING ON THEIR DOORS. AND SOME OF THEM COMPLY. SOME OF THEM ARE NOT VERY NICE. I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU WOULD CONSIDER YOUR OWN CHILDREN SAFE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. NOT EVEN FOR $200,000. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, UH, JOSH. VERY MUCH CHRIS, FOLLOWED BY ENRIQUE, FOLLOWED BY ALICIA SANCHEZ. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL. UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. UH, I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPROVAL OF THE NEW CLEAN FUEL TRANSFER FACILITY IN NASHVILLE CITY. UM, MY NAME'S JOSH CHRIS. I'M A PARTNER WITH KINLEY CONSTRUCTION. WE'RE THE DESIGN BUILD CONTRACTOR WORKING WITH US DEVELOPMENT. UM, OUR RELATIONSHIP GOES BACK TO 2008 WITH USD. WE BUILT OUR FIRST FACILITY IN ARLINGTON, TEXAS WITH, UH, ETHANOL OFFLOAD FACILITY. SINCE THEN, WE'VE COMPLETED ABOUT 10 PROJECTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING, UH, COLORADO, LOUISIANA, NORTH DAKOTA, TEXAS, AND RECENTLY, UH, WEST COLTON AND SAN BERNARDINO'S CLEAN FUELS. UM, WE USE OUR, OUR EXPERIENCE, OUR EXPERIENCE IN THE INDUSTRY TO BRING IN, UH, TEAMS AROUND THE COUNTRY TO WORK SPECIFICALLY ON THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY. WE WORK AT THE AIRPORTS, RAILROADS, MILITARY BASES, ALL OVER. UM, SOMETHING WE DO ON THESE PROJECTS, AND SPECIFICALLY WE'VE DONE ON THIS ONE, IS THE TEAM, UH, COLLABORATES DURING THE DESIGN PHASE TO ENSURE THE FACILITIES ARE SAFE AS POSSIBLE. WE CONDUCT A HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, A HA REVIEW OF THIS, UH, WITH ALL PARTIES INVOLVED TO ENSURE THAT WE'VE INCORPORATED AS MANY FAIL SAFES AS POSSIBLE. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED TONIGHT. UH, TRAFFIC PATTERNS, EGRESS POINTS, EMISSION CONTROLS, SAFEGUARDS, EMERGENCY STOP BUTTONS, FIRE AND SPILL PREVENTIONS, ALARMS, UM, EVEN ALARMS WHEN THE GATE'S LEFT OPEN. USING THIS HAZOP, THE SITE CONTROLS ARE DESIGNED AND CONFIGURED TO INCLUDE FULL AUTOMATION. ONLY AFTER RAIL CARS AND TRUCKS ARE CONNECTED, SAFELY, GROUNDED, PROPERLY VENTED. UM, AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT SPECIFICALLY SINCE 20 20, 20 21 WITH USD, UM, AND THE ENGINEERING TEAMS. WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE LOCAL UNIONS TO BRING IN THE BEST TRADE PARTNERS AVAILABLE. UM, AND WE FEEL THIS IS A, THIS IS AN EXCELLENT PROJECT. UM, KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE SOME CONCERNS YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE SPILLS. UM, THE SITE IS CONTAINED AS, AS ALEX MENTIONED, THE RAIL CARS ARE NOT OPEN UNLESS THEY'RE CONNECTED. THERE'S ALARMS. IF ANYTHING EVEN IS, IS MOVING. THERE'S SENSORS THAT GO OFF. THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE ALWAYS THERE, THERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. SO NEXT WE HAVE ENRIQUE, UH, ZAPATA, FOLLOWED BY ALICIA SANCHEZ. WE'RE FOLLOWED BY RINA. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ENRIQUE SANCHEZ. I HAVE LIVED IN NATIONAL CITY FOR OVER 25 YEARS. MY COM MY COMMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, I AM AGAINST THE USDG FUEL STATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY. WHEN WE ELECT YOU, THE RESIDENTS OF NATIONAL CITY EXPECTED YOU TO REPRESENT THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR COMMUNITY BY SAYING, NOTE TO THE USDG FUEL STATION. YOU WILL FULFILL YOUR OATH TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY FROM HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL VOTE IN FAVOR OF USDG FUEL STATION WILL HEAVY TRADE THE TRUST WE PLACE IN YOU AS BORDERS AND RESIDENTS. AND BY THE WAY, THOSE PRESENTATIONS SHOWN TONIGHT BY USDG FUELS, THEY LOOK VERY [03:45:01] SUGARCOATED AND A LOT OF SMOKE MIRRORS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALICIA SANCHEZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY SINA TO BE FOLLOWED BY BARBARA AOS, OUR TRANSLATOR, PLEASE. I CAN ALSO PROVIDE THE TRANSLATION. YES. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS. OKAY, ALICIA, MY NAME IS ALICIA SANCHEZ AND I AM HERE REPRESENTING MY FAMILY AND MY COMMUNITY ASKING YOU TO SAY NO TO THIS PERMIT. I'M A MEMBER OF AB 17 AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THIS, UH, IF YOU ALLOW THESE FACILITIES TO SIT UP HERE, THAT WILL ONLY BE MORE POLLUTION AND MORE DAMAGE TO THE COMMUNITY IN MANY OTHER WAYS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD THROUGH ABC 17 AND THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE COMMUNITY BASED TO, UH, HAVE ELECTRIC TRUCKS THAT WILL BE ABLE TO IMPROVE OUR ENVIRON, OUR ENVIRONMENT. AND THIS BUSINESS WILL AFFECT US IN SO MANY WAYS. IT'S SO CLOSE TO SCHOOLS, IT'S CLOSE TO A CHURCH AS IS. EVERYBODY KNOWS A HIGH RATE OF ASTHMA AND OTHER ISSUES THAT OUR COMMUNITY SUFFERS. PLEASE SAY NO. THANK YOU. CAN I, CAN I REPEAT THAT? BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME STUFF THAT WAS MISSED ON THAT, UH, TRANSLATION. I, I TOOK THE TIME TO TRANSLATE MY COMMUNITY MEMBERS AS TESTIMONY. I I CAN, I WILL BE VERY BRIEF. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MY NAME IS ELISA SANCHEZ. I'M A RESIDENT NATIONAL CITY FOR MORE THAN 25 YEARS. I'M RA WITH EHC AND I'M MEMBER OF THE AB 617 COMMITTEE. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MY FAMILY AND MY COMMUNITY TO ASK YOU TO NOT GRANT A PERMIT TO USCG FIELDS BECAUSE IT WOULD BRING MORE POLLUTION. AS A MEMBER OF AB 617, WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR MORE THAN FIVE YEARS TO ELECTRIFY HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS. THE AB 607 COMMITTEE MEMBERS, INCLUDING NATIONAL CITY REPRESENTATIVE DAVID WELSH, VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE SERP. THIS BUSINESS WOULD HAVE SERIOUS IMPACTS BECAUSE IT'S LOCATED JUST HALF A MILE FROM KIMBALL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, ST. ANTHONY DE PADUA CHURCH AND NEAR OLD TOWN RESIDENTS. WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE POLLUTION HERE IN NATIONAL CITY BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THERE'S A HIGH RATES OF ASTHMA AND RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS, ESPECIALLY AMONG CHILDREN. SO PLEASE, COUNCIL MEMBERS DO NOT GIVE A PERMIT TO USDG FUELS. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. RINA. BE FOLLOWED BY BARBARA AVALOS, BE FOLLOWED BY RITA CLEMENT. GOOD EVENING. UM, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER STAFF. UM, ON BEHALF OF MY FAMILY AND MANY, MANY FAMILIES LIVING HERE IN THE PROXIMITY OF THIS PROPOSED, UM, MANIFESTATION. UM, IN THIS UNDER REGIONAL PLAN, APPENDIX CHAPTER FOUR, APPENDIX THREE. THERE'S A COMPONENT OF THIS PARTICULAR POLLUTANT, WHICH IS THE, UM, PARTICULAR MATTER. AND IT IS VERY POLLUTING, SO IT'S AFFECTING ALL OF US. SO THESE TRIGGERS, ASTHMA AND CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE AND ALL THE, AND ALL THE PROBLEMATIC THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING FOR DECADES. NATIONAL CITY IS THE MOST POLLUTED FOR DECADES AS WELL. WITH OUR VOTE, WE MAKE INVESTING IN YOU GOOD DECISIONS FOR THE WELLBEING OF OUR SENIORS, OUR WORKING FAMILIES, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY OUR CHILDREN. NOW, HOW DARE YOU, HOW DARE YOU TO RE UM, PRIORITIZE THEIR REVENUE VERSUS THE HEALTH OF PEOPLE? UM, OUR HELL IN OUR INTEGRITY THAT WE ENTRUSTED YOU, PLACING YOU ON THE SEAT THAT YOU ARE RIGHT NOW. THE CALIFORNIA RESOURCES BOARD RELEASES AN ENVIRONMENTAL INPUT REPORT RECOMMENDING NOT TO DO. GO THROUGH THIS PROJECT PROPOSAL. THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALREADY EVALUATED. THEY SAY NO AS WELL. IT'S FIVE PEOPLE ON THE SEAT THAT SAID, NO, THIS PLEASE SAY NO TO THIS AND REJECT THIS PLA AND DEATH TRANSPORTATION THAT WE DO IT FOR YOU, FOR YOUR FAMILIES AND YOURS STILL AND MINE. WE ARE DEALING WITH OTHER ISSUES ALREADY. SO WE SHOULD PRIORITIZE IN THOSE THINGS. PLEASE, ESPECIALLY THE TRUST IN YOUR GOVERNANCE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. BARBARA AVALOS, FOLLOWED BY ROBERTA CLEMENT, FOLLOWED BY JANICE, UH, LUNA RENOSO. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AGREE WITH, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE SAID, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I HOLD UP THE SIGNS THAT SAYS PROTECT OUR LUNGS. YOU SEE, I HAVE ASTHMA. I'VE HAD ASTHMA SINCE I [03:50:01] WAS IN KINDERGARTEN. I KNOW WHAT IT IS TO INHALE, BUT YOU CAN'T EXHALE. I KNOW WHAT IT IS. WHEN YOU CAN'T BREATHE AND YOU'RE WHEEZING. I KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT WHEN YOU CAN'T FIND YOUR ATOMIZER TO PUMP SO THAT YOU COULD BREATHE. AND THE FAMILY MEMBER HAS TO TAKE ME DOWN TO MARKET STREET WHERE THERE WAS A DRUGSTORE OPEN TO GIVE ME A PUMP SO I COULD BREATHE INTO MY MOUTH. SO I KNOW WHAT ASTHMA'S ABOUT. I WANTED TO BE A HAIRDRESSER. THEY SAID YOU CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE CHEMICALS. I BECAME A HAIRDRESSER. I RECEIVED A SCHOLARSHIP FROM SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL AND I GOT A JOB, BUT THEN IT DID AFFECT ME. SO I HAD TO GO TO A DOCTOR NAMED DR. LAIA TO GO AND INHALE OXYGEN TANK INTO ME SO THAT I COULD BREATHE, SO I COULD GO TO WORK AND GET A MASSAGE IN MY BACK SO I WOULDN'T GET HUNCHED BACK. I DO NOT STAND AS STRAIGHT AS I WOULD LIKE TO BE. 'CAUSE IT DOES AFFECT YOU. FOR ME TO THINK THAT MONEY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE HEALTH OF OUR CHILDREN SADDENS ME. WE HAVE CHILDREN WITH ASTHMA. I DON'T WANT THEM TO GO THROUGH WHAT I HAVE TO GO THROUGH. I STILL HAVE ASTHMA. YOU DON'T OUTGROW ASTHMA. YOU STILL HAVE IT. I LIVE HERE IN NASHVILLE CITY AND I'M A PROUD PERSON TO SAY THAT I WAS BORN ON THE WEST SIDE, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MC KIMBALL SCHOOL AND RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ST. ANTHONY'S CHURCH. SO PLEASE DON'T LET MONEY BE THE BIG SUBJECT HERE. LET'S THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN, THEIR HEALTH, THEIR FAMILIES, OUR EDUCATORS. I AM A BOARD MEMBER. I'VE BEEN A BOARD MEMBER FOR, FOR 15 YEARS FOR THE NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND SURE, MY MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THEIR EDUCATION, BUT ALSO THEIR HEALTH. AND I AM CONCERNED NOT ONLY ABOUT THE CHILDREN AND THE FAMILIES THAT LIVE IN NATIONAL CITY, BUT OUR EDUCATORS WHO WORK THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY. OUR MAINTENANCE MEN THAT ARE THERE MAY MIGHT NOT LIVE IN NASHUA CITY, BUT THEY'RE THERE MOST OF THE DAY. THEY GET THERE BEFORE OUR CHILDREN GET THERE AND THEY LEAVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT AFTER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. RITA, PLEASE. FOLLOWED BY JANICE LUNA RENOSO, FOLLOWED BY MARTHA RODRIGUEZ. GOOD, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MORRISON AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS RITA CLEMENT. I AM A NEIGHBOR FROM CHULA VISTA AND A VOLUNTEER FOR SAN DIEGO THREE 50, A CLIMATE CHANGE ORGANIZATION. I AM SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO THE USDG HOUSTON PROJECT BECAUSE I BELIEVE RESIDENTS LIKE TO BREATHE CLEAN AIR, DRINK UNCONTAMINATED WATER, AND WANT TO HAVE A QUIET NIGHT'S REST. THE SPEED AND SEVERITY OF THE WORSENING CLIMATE CRISIS REQUIRES SWIFT AND UNRELENTING USE OF CURRENT SOLUTIONS AVAILABLE TO US. BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION AND TRUCK ELECTRIFICATION ARE ESSENTIAL. WE NEED TO INVEST IN ELECTRICAL CHARGING STATIONS AND ROOFTOP SOLAR. WE DO NOT WANT TO HEAR DIESEL TRUCKS DURING SLEEPING HOURS. WE DO NOT WANT DIESEL TRUCKS DESTROYING OUR ROADWAYS. WE DO NOT WANT CHILDREN TO STRUGGLE TO BREATHE. DUE TO ASTHMA AND OTHER LUNG ISSUES, WE DO NOT WANT OUR RESIDENTS DYING FROM CANCER AND CARDIAC PROBLEMS. INVEST IN THE SOLUTIONS TO IMPROVE THE AIR WE BREATHE. WE DO NOT WANT ADDED TOXINS TRUCK THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY. INVEST IN THE EXISTING SOLUTIONS TO COUNTERACT CLIMATE CHANGE. NOW THE SOCIAL COST OF HEALTH PROBLEMS IN NATIONAL CITY FAR OUTWEIGHS $200,000 YEARLY NEEDED TO FIX THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR ROADS. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU JANICE LUNA RENOSO, FOLLOWED BY MARTHA RODRIGUEZ, FOLLOWED BY ZI . GOOD EVENING. UM, I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE AB 6 1 7 PORTSIDE STEERING COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS JANICE LUNAR RENOSO, BORN AND RAISED IN NATIONAL CITY. OUR ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE COMMUNITY GARDEN ORGANIZATION, UM, IS LOCATED HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. OUR GARDEN IS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE PROPOSED SITE. UM, WHEN WE WENT TO VISIT THE SITE, WE'RE ALSO ORGANIZERS WITH A NATIONAL CITY HEALTHY CULTURA COALITION AND REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY. THEY'RE REALLY, THEY REALLY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. YOU'RE GONNA HEAR IT FROM THEM. AND, AND YOU HAVE HEARD, UM, WHEN WE WENT AND VISITED THE SITE, THE SCHOOL WALKING, THE SCHOOL CROSSWALK SIGN WITH THE LITTLE PIC IMAGES OF THE CHILDREN IS VISIBLE FROM THE SITE. SO WHAT IS [03:55:01] TO STOP THE, UH, OVER 1500 METRIC TONS OF DIESEL AND PARTICULATE MATTER OF CARBON EMISSIONS FROM REACHING THE LUNGS OF THOSE STUDENTS, FROM REACHING THE, THE RESIDENTS AS WELL. I'M REALLY THANKFUL FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT TOOK THE TIME TO, UM, MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO WATCH THE, THE PRESENTATION OR THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IT WAS HEARTFELT, IT WAS REAL, AND IT WAS THE COMMUNITY REALLY TESTIFYING AND SPEAKING TRUTH TO POWER. AND IT WAS ENCOURAGING TO SEE LEADERSHIP THERE, REALLY UPLIFT THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND MAKING A DECISION THAT IT WAS A SOUND DECISION AND THAT HOPE THAT YOU TAKE IT, UM, TO INSPIRE YOUR DECISION TONIGHT. ALSO, THE NOISE. I LIVE BY THE 8 0 5 FREEWAY AND WHEN A TRUCK PASSES BY, IT WAKES ME UP. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE OKAY WITH HAVING THOSE TRUCKS AROUND THE CLOCK AND THE TRAIN STATION BY YOUR WINDOW, YOU KNOW, TWO BLOCKS AWAY, AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, THEN MAYBE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THIS DECISION. BUT IF NOT, THEN WHY WOULD YOU WISH IT ON ANYBODY ELSE? UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. GOODBYE. OKAY, MARTHA RODRIGUEZ, UH, , UH, ZILLO AND NADIA. HELLO, MY NAME IS ANNA GLORIA RODRIGUEZ. GLORIA, YEAH. AKA MARTHA RODRIGUEZ. AND, UH, I'M KUMEYAAY AND UH, THAT'S WHAT I SPEAK WAS IN KUMEYAAY LANGUAGE. AND THEN I'M NOT A RESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL CITY, BUT I AM MEMBER OF THE KU NATION AND THIS IS THE LAND OF MY ANCESTORS AS, UH, OR HOLY LAND. SO, UH, I'M HERE TO, UM, TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE I SEE A LOT OF, UH, THIS, UM, NEW DEVELOPMENTS. THEY PUT IT, I WAS IN, IN, IN OUR NATIVE COMMUNITIES. AND THEN THEY'RE DIMENSION, A LOT OF LIKE THE HEALTH IN THE, IN OUR PEOPLE. AND THEN, YEAH, I SEE IT FOR LIKE A LOT OF RACISM, YOU KNOW, GOING IN, IN VERY POOR COMMUNITIES. AND THEN I WANT AN EXAMPLE IN, UH, IN, UH, IN, UH, HAWAII WHEN THEY HAVE THIS, UM, BIG COMPANIES OVER THERE, THEY, THEY'RE HAVING THE, THE MOMS THAT HAVE BABIES, THEY CALL THE JELLY BABIES. AND THEN, SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF HEALTH PROGRAMS BECAUSE THE CONTAMINATION THEY'RE BRINGING WITH ALL THESE CONSTRUCTIONS. AND ALSO, UH, I'M A BIG ADVOCATE FOR THEIR, OUR NATION AND ESPECIALLY TO DESTRUCTION OF OUR CULTURAL PATRIMONY. AND THEN I THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO, TO, TO PROTECT THAT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY, UH, OVER HERE IS A HOLY LAND AND WE WANNA PROTECT IT. BUT ALSO, I MEAN, UM, UM, SUPPORTING THE COMMUNITY. SO PLEASE SAY NO TO THIS COMPANY BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN FROM THEM. THEY'LL SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE. SO I JUST WANNA SAY I SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY. YAY HUN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CARILLO. HOW CLOSE WAS I? GOOD. OH, OKAY, GOOD. UH, NADIA KING AND THEN ALSO CYNTHIA FULLER QUINONE. YOU DID GOOD. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, STAFF AND COMMUNITY. MY NAME IS I CARILLO AND I AM HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF MUNDO GARDENS AND THE NATIONAL CITY HEALTH CULTURA COALITION. CHARGE THE CITY TO REJECT THE US DGS FUELS PROJECT PROPOSAL. THE USDG FUEL PROJECT WILL INCREASE POLLUTION IN OUR COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY IN WEST SIDE NATIONAL CITY WHERE THERE IS ALREADY SIGNIFICANT POLLUTION BURDEN AND RESIDENTS BREATHE. MORE POLLUTED AIR THAN 91% OF THE STATE DIESEL EMISSIONS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR 85% OF THE CANCER RISK ASSOCIATION WITH AIR POLLUTION IN NATIONAL CITY AND CONTRIBUTE TO OTHER ADVERSE HEALTH OUTCOMES, INCLUDING PREMATURE DEATH HOSPITALIZATIONS AS RESPIRATORY ISSUES IN CHILDREN. THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS LESS THAN 600 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND WITHIN THREE MILES FROM KIMBALL ELEMENTARY AND ST. ANTHONY'S CHURCH. AND WILL HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON THE CHILDREN, FAMILIES, AND COMMUNITY ELDERS THAT LIVE NEARBY. IN ADDITION TO THE DIESEL TRUCKS THAT WILL BE TRANSPORTING FUELS FROM THE TRANSFER FACILITY, THE TYPES OF FUELS THAT THEY WILL BE TRANSPORTING ARE NOT GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT EITHER. THE FUEL FACILITY WILL BE TRANSPORTING DIESEL FUEL AND A COMBINATION OF DIESEL AND UP TO 20% BIODIESEL, FUEL, ETHANOL, AND AVIATION FUEL, ALL OF WHICH CONTRIBUTE TO CLIMATE CHANGE. IT IS NO SECRET THAT CALIFORNIA IS LEADING THE COUNTRY IN TRANSFORMING TO A CLEANER GREENER FUTURE. RECENT LEGISLATION LIKE THE ADVANCED CLEANS FLEETS ROLE SIGNAL TOWARDS A FUTURE WORLD. THAT TRANSPORTATION SECTOR IN CALIFORNIA IS FULLY TRANSITIONED TO ZERO EMISSIONS TECHNOLOGIES BY 2045. DESPITE THE CLEAR TREND, USDG FUELS CONTINUES TO PROP UP BIOFUELS AND AS A FUEL SOURCE TO POWER OUR TRANSPORTATION SECTOR. THE USDG FUELS TRANSFER FACILITY IS DANGEROUS [04:00:01] AND POSES A SERIOUS THREAT TO THE GOAL OF EXCUSE. SORRY. OKAY. IT, SERIOUS THREAT TO GOAL OF CLEAN AIR IN ONE OF SAN DIEGO'S MOST POLLUTION BURDEN NEIGHBORHOODS. WE ASK NATIONAL CITY LEADERSHIP TO TAKE A STANCE FOR COMMUNITY HEALTH, PRESERVE COMMUNITY EFFORTS OF THE ERP, DEFEND THE INTEGRITY OF THE CITY'S HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ELEMENT, AND REJECT THE USD FIELD PROJECT PROPOSAL. LET'S IMAGINE AND CREATE BETTER THINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT AND COMMUN TO LONG-TERM HEALTH, WELLNESS AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU NADIA. NADIA HERE. IT WILL GO TO CYNTHIA AND THEN NADIA SHOWS UP. WE'LL HAVE HER GO NEXT. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, MAYOR AND EVERYONE PRESENT. UM, MY NAME IS CYNTHIA FULLER ES I'M A RESIDENT LOCAL RESIDENT LANDLORD, UM, COMMUN, UH, HEALTH ADVOCATE FOR, UH, SOUTH SAN DIEGO, UH, AND A HEALTHY CO TOYOTAS MEMBER. I'M ALSO, OF COURSE, ON THE TRAFFIC, UH, COMMISSION HERE AS WELL. UH, I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO, UH, ON USDG FUELS. UM, THE BIOFUELS THAT ARE BEING, UH, TRANSFERRED HERE AREN'T REALLY USED IN OUR COMMUNITY. THEY'RE, MOST OF THE BIOFUELS GET USED BY THE NAVY DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY AND AT THE AIRPORT, OUR GAS STATIONS AREN'T REALLY EQUIPPED FOR BIOFUELS. THEY DON'T HAVE THE TANKS AND THE EQUIPMENT FOR THAT. SO WHEN YOU ASK THE QUESTIONS EARLIER ABOUT HOW MANY VEHICLES WERE ALREADY MOVING INTO NATIONAL CITY WITH BIOFUELS, UH, THAT WOULD THEN BE TRANSPORTED IN VIA TRAIN. THEY'RE NOT COMING HERE, THEY'RE COMING TO THE AIRPORT AND THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, THE NAVY. THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY IN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY. SO THE TRUCKS WILL BE BRAND NEW TO OUR COMMUNITY, UM, AND CONTRIBUTING THE PARTICULATE MATTER AS WELL AS THE DIESEL AIR POLLUTION, UH, THAT WE DON'T WANNA BE BREATHING. SECOND THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT THE AIR QUALITY MEASUREMENTS THAT ARE NOTED IN, UH, THE REPORTS FOR THIS, THE EIR, THEY COME FROM THE SHERMAN HEIGHTS. UH, EPA MONITORING STATION, WHICH IS THE MONITORING STATION CLOSEST, THE EPA STATION CLOSEST FOR OUR AREA AS A CHRONIC, UH, ASTHMA AND COPD SUFFER. IF I RELIED ON SHERMAN HEIGHTS AIR QUALITY MEASUREMENTS TO DETERMINE MY RISK FACTOR FOR ANY GIVEN DAY, I WOULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. I'D BE DEAD. I HAVE TO USE SATELLITE, NASA SATELLITE, LOCAL, TRULY LOCAL AIR QUALITY MEASUREMENTS. AND, UH, THERE'S IQ AIR AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER, UH, STATIONS THAT WE CAN RELY ON THAT ARE NOT CALLED UPON IN THIS REPORT. THANK YOU. YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NADIA, IS SHE IN THE AUDIENCE? IF NOT, UH, AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA ASK FOR THAT. WE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO EXTEND, EXTEND OUR TIME 'CAUSE WE'RE HITTING UP ON 10 32ND. EXCUSE ME. OKAY. I DIDN'T MAKE A MOTIONS. I ASKED FOR ONE. I MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING. OKAY. UH, PAST 10, 30 AND A SECOND. OKAY. WE GET THOSE PUSHED IN. OKAY. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT. UM, OKAY. ONE MORE TIME. NADIA NOT SAYING ANYTHING. OKAY. THOMAS REICH TO BE FOLLOWED BY MICHELLE GATES TO BE FOLLOWED BY ALICIA MORRISON. ORDER AGAIN, PLEASE. TO THOMAS REICH. THE ONLY. THANK YOU. I WANNA MAKE A POINT THAT IT SAYS HERE, IT SAYS HERE, APPROVING THE APPEAL. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DOES THAT MEAN APPEALING THE APPEAL? DOES THAT MEAN THE APPEAL THAT YOU FOR THE THE COMPANY THE COMPANY APPEALED IT, CORRECT? THE COMPANY APPEALED IT. AND YOU AGREE WITH THE APPEAL? WELL, WE HAVEN'T VOTED YET, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. WELL, THAT, THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T KNOW. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. NO, THIS IS JUST, UH, THE COMPANY IS APPEALING THE VOTE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THAT COMES TO THE COUNCIL. OKAY. OKAY. SO, UH, MICHELLE GATES, FOLLOWED BY ALICIA MORRISON, FOLLOWED BY DOYLE MORRISON. I AM MICHELLE GATES, NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT GOVERNING BOARD PRESIDENT, ALONG WITH MY ACCOMPANYING TRUSTEES WHO ARE ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. SUPERINTENDENT BRADY AND PRINCIPAL OF KIMBALL SCHOOL IS ALSO HERE. DR. LOPEZ, ON BEHALF OF THE 4,000 STUDENTS, 10 SCHOOLS AND PRESCHOOL, THE FAMILIES, TEACHERS AND STAFF WHO WE REPRESENT. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS THAT WE ARE PROUD OF OUR [04:05:01] KIDS AND PROUD OF OUR SCHOOLS. UM, UH, TWO OF OUR RECENT ONES INCLUDE NINE OF OUR 10 SCHOOLS BEING AWARDED AS AMERICA'S HEALTHIEST SCHOOLS FOR 2025. THE ONE THAT WAS UNABLE TO DO SO THIS LAST YEAR WAS KIMBALL ELEMENTARY, ALSO CALIFORNIA GREEN RIBBON SCHOOL DISTRICT AT THE GOLD LEVEL FOR OUR SUSTAINABILITY AND FOR OUR, UH, ANTI-POLLUTION AND OTHER HABITS THAT WE HAVE WORKED ON AS A SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR OUR TK THROUGH, WELL, PRESCHOOL THROUGH SIXTH GRADE, SIXTH GRADERS. UM, THOSE ARE THINGS WE ARE PROUD OF. THIS THING WE ARE NOT PROUD OF. UM, OUR STUDENTS ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO US AN IDLING CAMPAIGN THIS LAST SCHOOL YEAR BECAUSE THEY WERE NOTICING HOW MANY OF THEIR, UM, CARS OUTSIDE WERE SITTING AND JUST RUNNING, RUNNING CARS WHILE PARENTS WERE WAITING. THESE THINGS THEY KNOW IMPACT THEM DIRECTLY. YOU HAVE A PROCLAMATION IN FRONT OF YOU FROM US. OUR PROCLAMATION ASKS THAT YOU DO NOT APPROVE THIS ON BEHALF OF OUR STUDENTS. THEY DESERVE MORE FROM US. OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES MORE FROM US. OUR FAMILY DESERVES MORE, OUR TEACHERS AND STAFF DESERVE MORE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALICIA. ALICIA MORRISON, FOLLOWED BY DOYLE MORRISON, FOLLOWED BY MICHELLE CREW. SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE HEARD THEIR NAMES BEING CALLED, BUT SAN DIEGO CLEAN FUELS APPEAL. THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DENIAL STATES DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE FINDINGS FOR THE DENIAL ARE ACCURATE. PLANNING COMMISSION'S FINDINGS FINDING NUMBER ONE STATES BECAUSE KEYWORD DELIVERY OF BIOFUELS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH OTHER MEANS OF DELIVERY WITH FEWER AIR QUALITY IMPACTS TO RESIDENTS, WORKERS AND VISITORS TO THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. MAY 1ST THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH THE SKY CHARGER, LLCA DEVELOPER PROPOSING A 24 HOUR ZERO EMISSION TRUCKING HUB FOR 70 HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS. HOW MANY IN THIS ROOM WERE THERE AT THAT MEETING? MAYOR MORRISON, YOU WERE THERE, YOU WERE CONS. UH, YOUR WORRIES. THE CHARTERED STATION WOULD DRAW EVEN MORE TRUCKS TO AN ALREADY CLOGGED AREA AND RAISE THE RISK OF TOXIC ELECTRIC BATTERY FIRES. USD CLEAN FUELS WILL HAVE 24 7, THAT 72 TRUCKS DAILY. UH, YOU DIDN'T WANNA BE THE FIRST MAYOR IN NASHVILLE CITIES TO HAVE TO EVACUATE A CITY SHOULD A BATTERY, UH, CATCH FIRE. SO WOULD YOU RATHER BE THE MAYOR TO EVACUATE A CITY WITH A BIOFUEL EXPLOSION? SIMILAR TO THE EXPLOSION IN EL SEGUNDO, BIOFUEL IS STILL COMBUSTIBLE. SO WHY WOULD YOU EVEN SUPPORT THIS PROJECT? UM, UH, THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT EVEN ADDRESS THE THIRD FINDING BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS STATING IN ACCORDANCE WITH POLICY HEJ 1.5 OF THE HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE OF THE NATIONAL CITY GENERAL PLAN PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTS FROM THE RESIDENTS CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACTS TO HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENT, AND THEY TOOK THE COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION. WILL YOU DO THE SAME? THANK YOU. YOU DOYLE MORRISON, FOLLOWED BY MICHELLE KRUG, FOLLOWED BY JACK MONGER. GOOD EVENING. UH, NATIONAL CITY. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ITEM 10.2 AND MORE TO THE 0.4, THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN NATIONAL CITY, THE NATIONAL CITY VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES STATES, NATIONAL CITY HAS A SERIES OF AUTO SERVICE, LIGHT MANUFACTURING, AUTO WAREHOUSES, UH, AUTO, OR SORRY, WAREHOUSE USES THAT ARE INTER SPREAD THROUGHOUT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS MIXTURE OF LAND USES HAS RESULTED IN COMMON, UH, COMMUNITY CONCERNS RELATED TO TRAFFIC, PARKING, NOISE, AIR QUALITY, AND HAZARDOUS MATERIALS EXPOSURES. THE CITY IS COMMITTED TO REDUCING, UH, RISKS OF INJURY, LOSS OF LIFE, PROPERTY AND ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE ASSOCIATED WITH NATURAL AND MANMADE HAZARDS. THE LAND USE PATTERN BALANCES THESE HAZARD CONSIDERATIONS WITH ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS SUCH AS REDUCING GREENHOUSE GASES AND IMPROVING AIR QUALITY. I WANT THE LATTER CITY COUNCIL MAKING THE DECISION FOR ALL OF US VOTERS HERE TONIGHT. AND WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE, UH, I, WHAT NO ONE HAS MENTIONED IS THAT IN THIS TOXIC WORLD THAT WE'RE LIVING IN THE UNITED STATES WITH ALL THE VISION AND STUFF, NO ONE HAS MENTIONED ABOUT A TERRORIST ATTACK [04:10:01] ON A HUGE, HUGE EXPLOSION THAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THAT EVER IT WAS, UH, ALLOWED TO HAPPEN OVER THERE AT THAT, THAT STORAGE WHERE IT'S NOT A STORAGE, BUT THEY HAVE ALL THAT FUEL IN THOSE TANKERS. AND THEN I WANTED TO, THE ONE OF THE SPEAKERS HAD MENTIONED THAT IT WAS A CLOSED SYSTEM IN CASE THERE WAS A S SPILL IN A TANK. DOES THAT MEAN THERE'S AN UNDERGROUND TANK THAT IS A CLOSED SYSTEM THAT WOULD CAPTURE ALL THAT FUEL? THANK YOU. OKAY. MICHELLE KRUG, FOLLOWED BY JACK MONGER, FOLLOWED BY MAGGIE MORALES. MICHELLE KRUG. MICHELLE COMING. HUH? SHE'S COMING. I CALLED HER NAME. THERE'S A DELAY IN THE OTHER ROOM THAT SHE'S SHE CAN SHE, SHE CAN USE THE THE LOWER ONE. USE THE OTHER ONE. OKAY. HI. THAT'S THE DELAY FROM THE OVERFLOW ROOMS. OKAY. UM, MICHELLE KRUG, I JUST, THE MORE I'M HEARING ABOUT THIS PROJECT, THERE ARE JUST SO MANY UNKNOWNS. THAT'S THE SCARY PART. IT FEELS LIKE THIS IS NOT READY, IT'S NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME. HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO CONTROL THAT? THE TRUCKERS, WHETHER THEY'RE OWNER OPERATOR OR NOT, OR THEIR COMPANIES, HOW ARE YOU POSSIBLY GONNA BE ABLE TO CONTROL WHAT, HOW THEY DO THEIR JOB? THAT'S SCARY TO ME. AND IT'S SCARY THAT YES, THEY'LL, THERE WILL BE CONTAINMENT IF THE DERAILMENT HAPPENS EXACTLY AT THE FACILITY, BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT'S ON ITS WAY OR WHEN IT HAS LEFT? THERE'S JUST SO MANY UNKNOWN UNKNOWNS. I ASK YOU TO TAKE THIS BACK UNTIL IT'S READY TO EVEN BE CONSIDERED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JACK MONGER, FOLLOWED BY MAGGIE MORALES, FOLLOWED BY MARGARITA, UH, GARCIA. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR MORRISON, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M JACK MONGER. I'M THE CEO OF THE INDUSTRIAL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSOCIATION. WE REPRESENT ABOUT 45 MANUFACTURING COMPANIES IN THE SAN DIEGO REGION ON ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. AND OUR CHIEF RESPONSIBILITY FOR THOSE COMPANIES IS TO ENSURE THAT THEY KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH REGULATORY STANDARDS AND HOW TO STAY IN COMPLIANCE. IT'S A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT WE DO. UM, I ALSO SIT ON THE A V SIX 17, UH, COMMUNITY STEERING COMMITTEE THAT SEVERAL OTHER FOLKS THAT HAVE SPOKEN HERE TONIGHT MENTIONED THEIR PARTICIPATION IN. AND WHAT THEY WOULD I'M SURE AGREE WITH IS THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN WORKING FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS NOW TO MOVE TOWARDS ELECTRIFICATION, MOVE TOWARDS THE BETTER ELECTRIC CARS AS AND ELECTRIC TRUCKS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. BUT WHAT WE ALSO KNOW AND WHAT WE'VE ALSO LEARNED IS THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. AND THAT CAN ONLY, THE, THE, THE ONLY SENSIBLE TRANSITION TO MOVING TOWARDS FEWER EMISSIONS IS USING RENEWABLE FUEL BIODIESEL OR WHATEVER. AND THAT IS VERY, UH, VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE TRANSITION. WE'VE GOTTA HAVE IT FOR THE DAY WE ULTIMATELY WILL GET TO ELECTRIFICATION. BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU DESPITE WHAT YOU HEARD HERE EARLIER TONIGHT IS THERE ARE A NUMBER OF COMPANIES IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY THAT ARE ALREADY USING, ONE OF THEM JUST WITHIN MILES OF HERE HAS BEEN USING BIODIESEL. THERE'RE RELYING ON IT. THEY NEED A SUPPLY. AND THE SUPPLY IS NOT RELIABLE AT THE CURRENT TIME. SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE WE, WE HAVE THE FUEL AVAILABLE TO HELP MAKE THIS TRANSITION. I CAN TELL FROM YOUR QUESTIONS TONIGHT THAT THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE FOR YOU, THAT YOU CARE VERY MUCH. I CAN TELL YOU'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS, UH, ABOUT THIS HAVE BEEN PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT. AND THEN ONE THING THAT HIT ME AS I LISTENED TO YOUR QUESTIONS IS THE ANSWERS YOU WERE RECEIVING BACK FROM USD CLEAN FUELS. THEY REPRESENT, I THINK, ONE OF THE MOST PROFESSIONAL AND PREPARED, UH, TEAM OF INDIVIDUALS AND ENGINEERS TO BE ABLE TO BRING A PROJECT LIKE THIS TO FRUITION AND TO DO IT IN A SAFE MANNER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAGGIE MORALES FOLLOWED BY MAR UH, MARGARITA. UH GARCIA, FOLLOWED BY MARGARITA RENO. I WENT MAGGIE. SO MARGARITA . MAGGIE'S MARGARITA. YES. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MAGGIE MORALES. I'M ACTUALLY CHULA VISTA RESIDENT, BUT I SPEND A LOT OF TIME HERE IN NATIONAL CITY LIKE SHOPPING, GOING TO MY FAVORITE GYM, AND MOST OF ALL C OF MY MOM, MARGARITA GARCIA , WHO HAS BEEN A RESIDENT FOR OVER 25 YEARS. I LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR IMPROVING THE OLD TOWN NATIONAL CITY [04:15:01] THESE PAST FEW YEARS AND ADDED LIKE THE STREET LIGHTS. WE PAVE THE STREETS, THE A DA IMPROVEMENTS. MY MOM AND I FEEL SAFE AND ARE GRATEFUL FOR THAT. THERE'S JUST ONE THING I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS HAVING TO BREATHE ADDITIONAL POLLUTION. YOU MIGHT CONSIDER HAVING A, TO PERMIT A BUSINESS UNDER THE NAME OF USEG FUELS WHILE THE PROJECT IS REDUCING. WHETHER, WHETHER THE PROJECT IS REDUCING THE OVERALL IMPACT IN TO AIR QUALITY IN THE REGION. IT WILL BE CONCENTRATING THE POLLUTION IN NATIONAL CITY. IT SEEMS THAT THERE WAS A DATA STUDY FOR A COMMUNITY THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME LA SAY LAYOUT MAKEUP AS WEST SIDE AND AS NATIONAL CITY. WE ALREADY BREATHE SOME OF THE WORST AIR AND THIS PROJECT WILL MAKE OUR QUALITY AIR QUALITY EVEN WORSE. PLEASE KEEP IMPROVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY PRIORITIZING PROJECTS LIKE THE EXPANSION OF THE PEPPER PARK AND WORK ON HEALTHIER FAMILY FRIENDLY PROJECTS FOR THE WEST SIDE OF NATIONAL CITY. THIS PROJECT IS NOT A STEP FORWARD AS SONY AS TWO STEPS BACK. HOPEFULLY YOU WILL TAKE OUR CONCERNS AND WORRIES IN CONSIDERATION ON YOUR DECISION. AND PLEASE, I HOPE YOU SAY NO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. NO, IT'S MY MOM'S. OKAY. MARGARITA GARCIA TO BE FOLLOWED THEN BY MARGARITA MORENO TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, LILIANA ARMA. THAT ONE THERE. NATIONAL CITY. OKAY. TRANSLATOR. HELLO, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS MARGARITA. I HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR OVER 25 YEARS IN ALL TOWN NATIONAL CITY. I COME HERE IN AS MANY TIMES AS NEEDED TO ASK YOU PLEASE TO NOT GIVE THE PERMIT TO THIS COMPANY. THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS AND TOXIC TO HAVE THIS PROJECT HERE IN MY COMMUNITY. THE NO MORE PLEASE. IT'S BEEN ENOUGH OF HAVING AND DEALING, UM, AND TREATING NATIONAL CITY AS A LANDFILL. THIS IS NOT A SMALL CITY AND WE REALLY WANT THE, UH, CLEAN ENVIRONMENT TO BE ABLE TO LIVE HEALTHY. UH, THESE TOXIC CHEMICALS ARE HARMING KIDS AND YOUNG PEOPLE AND ALSO THE ELDERLY JUST AS MYSELF AND I'VE BEEN HAVING ALLERGIES AND ALSO KIDS HAVE ASTHMA AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE EVEN HAVE, UH, LUNG CANCER. YOU ARE HERE AND YOU, UH, NEED TO SUPPORT US. JUST THOSE SAME WAY THAT WE HAVE SUPPORTED YOU WHEN YOU ASKED FOR OUR VOTE. THE COUNCIL WORKS FOR THE COMMUNITY, NOT FOR THE DEVELOPERS. SO THAT IS WHY I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE REJECT THIS PROJECT SINCE MY COMMUNITY IS TIRED OF SO MUCH POLLUTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. MAR BON. OKAY. MARGARITA MORENO. OKAY. TO BE FOLLOWED BY LILIANA ARMA TO BE ON, TO BE FOLLOWED BY ROSA ALBA . OKAY. MAR. [04:21:11] OKAY. TRANSLATOR. UH, MY NAME IS MARGARITA MORENO. I'VE BEEN RESIDENT OF NATIONAL CITY FOR 15 YEARS. I'M ALSO AN ADVOCATE FROM ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COALITION AND I'M ALSO PART OF THE AB 6 7 17 COMMITTEE. I'M HERE BECAUSE I'M AGAINST, UM, UH, USD, UH, US, USDG FUELS AND, UH, THE BUSINESS THAT IS TRYING TO GET THIS PERMIT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THAT FUEL TRANSFER STATION. I HAVE A SON, HE HAS ASTHMA, AND HE REALLY SUFFERS WITH, UH, THE POLLUTION. I DON'T LIKE SEEING HIM NOT BEING ABLE TO BE, TO BREATHE PROPERLY SINCE THAT AFFECT THE ENTIRE FAMILY, NOT JUST HIM. THIS GOES AGAINST WHAT YOU ARE WORKING FOR BECAUSE WE ARE WORKING IN THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, WITH THE CITY WITH A SPECIFIC, UH, PLAN THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, MAKE A BROADER PURPLE PARK. AND ALSO THE AMORTIZATION. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING FOR THE WELLBEING OF THE COMMUNITY. AND WITH THE AMORTIZATION WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE OUT OF THE BUS, TAKE OUT THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE POLLUTING AND NOT KEEP ALLOWING OTHER BUSINESSES THAT POLLUTE, UM, INTO THE COMMUNITY, OR THE ONES THAT KEEP MAKING NOISE. UM, THIS, UH, OUR LIVES ARE WORTH MORE THAN ALL THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO GIVE YOU. SO LET'S SAY NO TO USDG FUELS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. LILIANA ARMA TO BE FOLLOWED BY ROSA ALBA. AA, I PROBABLY MESSED THAT ONE UP. AND THEN, UH, DIANE TRAIA. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. I'M A PROUD NATIONAL CITY RESIDENT AND A RETIRED US NAVY VETERAN. OUT OF MY 20 YEARS OF NAVAL SERVICE, NINE AND A HALF YEARS WERE SPENT ON SHIPS. AND DURING THAT TIME, I HAD NO CHOICE ABOUT THE AIR THAT I BREATHE. WHETHER WE WERE IN A FOREIGN POOR OR L TWO C, WE FOLLOWED ORDERS AND DID OUR DUTY UNDER WHATEVER CONDITIONS EXISTED. BUT TODAY, I CHOOSE TO LIVE IN NATIONAL CITY, AND I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO FIGHT A WAR ON AIR POLLUTION IN MY OWN BACKYARD, I WORE A UNIFORM TO DEFEND FREEDOM, NOT TO COME HOME AND DEFEND MY LUNGS. OUR RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY OUR CHILDREN, SENIORS AND WORKING FAMILIES ALL DESERVE CLEAN AIR. NOT ANOTHER CLOUD OF DIESEL FUMES. WE ARE ALREADY SURROUNDED BY FREEWAYS, RAIL LINES, AND THE PORT. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. ALTHOUGH WE ARE A SMALL CROWD AND RESILIENT CITY, OUR VOICES ARE LOUD, AND OUR HEARTS ARE BIG, BIG ENOUGH TO FIGHT FOR OUR FAMILIES, OUR HEALTH AND OUR FUTURE. NATIONAL CITY HAS CARRIED THE BURDEN OF INDUSTRIAL POLLUTION FOR FAR TOO LONG. WE ARE NOT THE DUMPING GROUND FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S PROFITS. I URGE YOU TO PLEASE, UH, FOLLOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION. THANK YOU, ROSE ALVA, AND, UH, TO BE FOLLOWED BY DIANE KIN TO BE FOLLOWED BY AVI ALVARADO. MCKINLEY, [04:25:05] IF THIS IS A WONDERFUL PROJECT, TAKE IT TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. SORRY, . OKAY. THE DESTINATION. SURE. UH, MY NAME IS ROSALBA ALA. I AM RESIDENT OF THE MCKINLEY APARTMENTS. JUST A FEW STEPS FROM WHERE THE, THIS PROJECT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN, AND I'M HERE TO ASK YOU AS COMMITTEE REPRESENTATIVES TO REJECT THIS PROJECT. WE CANNOT, UH, COMPETE WITH THE MONEY FROM THE COMPANY. THAT IS TRUE, BUT YOU ARE THE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY, AND WE KNOW THAT YOUR VOICE AND YOUR VOTE ARE DEFINITIVE TO STOP THIS FACILITY, EVEN IF THE FUEL IS DIFFERENT. WE DON'T WANT THE SAME THING HAPPENING HERE AS IT DID IN MEXICO CITY OR IN EL SEGUNDO. UM, CALIFORNIA. CALIFORNIA. IF THIS IS A LATENT RISK AND THERE IS NO PLAN FOR A CATASTROPHE, NATIONAL CITY, WE ARE TIRED OF EXPERIMENTING THIS ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM AND FOR POOR COMMUNITIES TO BE PAYING THE PRICE. UM, AND A NATIONAL CITY IS ALSO NOT A LANDFILL FOR SAN DIEGO OR FOR THE UPPER CLASSES. RESPECTFULLY, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO OPPOSE UNANIMOUSLY TO THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DIANE TO BE FOLLOWED BY JAVI ALVARADO TO BE FOLLOWED BY ED NETTA. GOOD EVENING. UM, MY NAME'S DIANE TECH VIAN, UM, AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD. I'M NOT HERE, UM, IN THAT CAPACITY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE THAT EXPERTISE, AND I'LL BE REFERRING TO THAT. I AM HERE TO SUPPORT THE NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS WHO ARE OPPOSING THIS PROJECT AND WHO ARE DEMANDING THAT YOU CONTINUE ON YOUR GOOD WORK AND YOUR PROMISES TO BRING CLEAN AIR AND REDUCE DIESEL EMISSIONS TO THIS COMMUNITY. THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THAT THERE WILL BE 72 NEW DIESEL POWERED TRUCKS THAT WILL BE RUNNING THROUGH THIS COMMUNITY THAT DON'T EXIST NOW. SO ALL THE CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, REDUCING DIESEL EMISSIONS THROUGH BIOFUELS AND ALL OF THAT, AND THROUGH RAIL, UM, ARE REALLY IRRELEVANT. 72 NEW DIESEL POWERED TRUCKS THAT THEY DON'T CONTROL, AND COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, BUSH THAT THEY WILL NOT MAKE. THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THOSE TRUCKS. AND COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ, THAT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL IN TERMS OF THE SPILLS THAT THEY MAY HAVE. THEY'RE TAKING NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONCE THOSE TRUCKS LEAVE THEIR PROPERTY. SO I THINK THERE'S NO CONTROL OVER THE FOLKS THAT YOU ARE GIVING THIS PERMIT TO OR APPROVING THIS PERMIT, SO WE REQUEST THAT YOU DENY IT. I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. I THINK THAT USING NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACT AS A RATIONALE FOR APPROVAL, UM, IS REALLY, UH, BASICALLY DISHONEST. UH, THESE EMISSIONS ARE BEING ADDED TO AN ALREADY HIGHLY IMPACTED COMMUNITY, AND THIS PROJECT DOES NOT EXIST IN, IN A, IN A VACUUM. SO THERE ARE OVER 900 CANCERS PER MILLION THAT NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS ARE CURRENTLY EXPOSED TO. AND I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THE MAP THAT THE CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD CREATED. SO WE CAN'T PRETEND THAT THERE IS CLEAN AIR AND ZERO CANCER RISKS. NOW, THERE AREN'T. THANK YOU. VERY COMMENT. 980% OF THAT IS DIESEL MISSION. JAVI JAVI ATO, FOLLOWED BY EDWARD NETTO TO BE FOLLOWED BY LEAN ANGELA BRADY. THANK YOU, ED EDWIN NETTO, COME ON UP AND WE'LL SEE IF WE'RE GONNA RING HIM FROM THE OTHER ROOM OR WHATEVER TO BE FOLLOWED BY LEAN ANGELA. THERE SHE IS. SAY NO TO USDD, UH, USDG PROJECT. AND I'VE READ THE E-R-E-I-R REPORT. I READ THE RESPONSES, I READ THE, UH, REBUTTALS, AND I HEARD THE APPLICANT'S TESTIMONY HERE. AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, UH, I DON'T, I'M NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE EI REPORT. I'M NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE, UH, APPLICANT'S TESTIMONY EITHER. UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR, EVEN THEIR SAME TESTIMONY POINTED TO RISK RISK THAT CAN'T BE ANSWERED, YOU KNOW, SERIOUS RISK. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS REALLY, REALLY IS, IS THAT RISK ANALYSIS. AND YOU DON'T HAVE INFORMATION TO REALLY MAKE A GOOD DECISION. AND BASED ON THAT, I THINK YOU CAN, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE PRUDENT DECISION AND NOT VOTE FOR AND NOT, UH, VOTE FOR THIS, UH, PROJECT. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY TALK ABOUT MITIGATION MEASURES. YOU'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HIM, AND THEY SAID, YEAH, YOU, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN, IN PLACES, ONCE YOU MAKE THESE DECISIONS, YOU CAN'T TAKE IT BACK. PEOPLE IN EMBODY LOGAN MADE THAT MISTAKE AND OR THE BUSINESSES MADE [04:30:01] THAT MISTAKE. AND PEOPLE IN VALUE, LOGAN, LIVE WITH IT. YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT HAPPEN IN NASHVILLE CITY, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, IT HAS, IT HAS TO BE IN, UM, IF YOU CAN'T ENFORCE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, FOR INSTANCE, THE PROSTITUTION IN THE, IN THE STREETS, IN THAT AREA, IN THOSE AREAS, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPLIANCE IS NOT THE WAY TO GO. THEY'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT SELF COMPLIANCE, YOU KNOW? YEAH. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN REALLY TRUST THESE APPLICANTS IN TERMS OF THE WAY THEY DANCED AROUND THEIR ANSWERS. WHAT ARE, WHAT DO YOU HAVE AS ASSURANCE THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THAT IDLING, UH, LIMIT? YOU DON'T HAVE REALLY ASSURANCE. YOU JUST HAVE SOMEBODY'S WORDS. SO AT SOME POINT, I THINK YOU, YOU NEED TO MAKE A DECISION THAT, THAT'S MY, MY THOUGHTS ABOUT IT. 'CAUSE THE MISTAKES YOU'RE MAKING, OR IF THE DECISION GOES THE WRONG WAY, YOU'RE GONNA BE FOOLING AROUND WITH CHILDREN'S HEALTH ABOUT THE AIR THEY BREATHE, ABOUT THE STREETS THEY PLAY IN. AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO GAMBLE WITH THAT ANYMORE. SO, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M ASKING, I MAY, MAY, MAYBE I'M EVEN DEMANDING THAT YOU TAKE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. TAKE A STANCE ON THIS IN VOTE NO ONE. JAVI ALVARADO, YOU OUT THERE? UH, LEAN ANGELA BRADY, FOLLOWED BY AL SANCHEZ. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE BACK. UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF. MY NAME IS DR. LEAN ANGELA BRADY, SUPERINTENDENT OF NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND I WANNA BEGIN BY EXPRESSING MY DEEP APPRECIATION FOR THE ONGOING PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND OUR SCHOOLS. THANK YOU FOR THE BIKE LANES THAT YOU'VE IMPLEMENTED THROUGHOUT OUR CITY. THEY HELP KEEP OUR STUDENTS SAFE TO AND FROM SCHOOL, AS WELL AS ENCOURAGE HEALTHY HABITS. THANK YOU FOR ENGAGING OUR SI STUDENTS EACH YEAR IN LEARNING ABOUT STORM WATER POLLUTION AND FOR LETTING AND FOR FEATURING OUR THIRD GRADERS ARTWORK IN THE CITY'S ANNUAL CALENDAR. THANK YOU ALSO FOR THE PROCLAMATION THAT YOU PRESENTED ON FEBRUARY 14TH, 2024 WHEN WE BECAME THE FIRST ELEMENTARY ONLY HEART SAFE DISTRICT IN THE NATION. AND FOR THE NATIONAL CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT'S ONGOING PARTNERSHIP IN THAT LIFE-SAVING EFFORT. THANK YOU FOR WAIVING ALL OF THE FEES FOR OUR ANNUAL 5K RUN HELD IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE NATIONAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE SAN DIEGO PORT OF AUTHORITY. THIS EVENT BRINGS TOGETHER NEARLY 1000 CITY PARTICIPANTS, INCLUDING SOME OF YOU IN CELEBRATION OF HEALTH AND COMMUNITY. AND THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING OUR STUDENTS IN YOUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. THEY ARE THRILLED TO TAKE PART IN THE FIRST OF SEVERAL UPCOMING ADOPT A TREE EVENTS AS WE SUPPORT YOUR EFFORTS TO PLANT 1,600 NEW TREES ACROSS NATIONAL CITY OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AS THE ONLY CALIFORNIA GREEN RIBBON SCHOOL DISTRICT GOAL LEVEL HONOREE IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY FOR 2025. WE SHARE YOUR COMMITMENT TO SUSTAINABILITY, HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP. IT IS IN THAT SHARED SPIRIT THAT I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. CAREFULLY CONSIDER VOTING NOW. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. THANK YOU AL SANCHEZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY BRADLEY BANG, TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MIKA BLANCO. SEE IF I CAN GET THAT TO STAY. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS A SANCHEZ AND I'M A MEMBER OF LABOR'S 80, LABOR'S LOCAL 89. I LIVE AND WORK IN THE REGION, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK STRONG SUPPORT OF THE CLEAN FUEL AND SAN DIEGO PROJECT. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPTS PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT HEALTH, TRAFFIC, AND ENVIRONMENTAL. THESE ARE REAL ISSUES AND THEY MATTER TO ALL OF US. BUT WE NEED TO BASE OUR DECISIONS ON FACTS, NOT FEAR. THIS PROJECT WAS FULLY REVIEWED UNDER THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT. THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOUND NO SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT COULDN'T BE ADDRESSED. THAT MEANS ISSUES LIKE EMISSIONS, SAFETY, AND TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT HAVE MITIGATED MEASURES IN, IN PLACE. THE PROJECT WILL ALSO BE BUILT UNDER A PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENT, WHICH GUARANTEES THE WORK GOES UNION CONTRACTORS, CON CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, TRAINED PROFESSIONALS WITH HIGH STANDARDS AND SAFETY AND QUALITY CLEAN [04:35:01] FUEL. SD ISN'T, ISN'T PERFECT, BUT IT'S RESPONSIBLE, REGULATED, AND READY. WE CAN SUPPORT CLEAN FUEL AND GOOD JOBS AT THE SAME TIME. PLEASE MAKE THE DECISION BASED ON PLANNING AND REAL COMMUNITY BENEFITS. I URGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON THIS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EVERYTHING. BRADLEY BANG TO BE FOLLOWED BY. OKAY. UH, THEY RESPECT EACH OTHER. UH, BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, LANCO TO BE FOLLOWED BY KEVIN BAREZ. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS BRADLEY BANG AND I'M A RESIDENT OF NATIONAL CITY. OUR COMMUNITY ON THE WEST SIDE OF NATIONAL CITIES ALREADY SUBJECTED TO SOME OF THE WORST AIR POLLUTION THAT HAS BEEN MEASURED IN CALIFORNIA. SO IT'S NOT SURPRISING THAT WE SUFFER FROM HIGH RATES OF ASTHMA, CANCER AND OTHER MEDICAL PROBLEMS. THE SMALL PARTICLE POLLUTION IN THE DIESEL EXHAUST IS ESPECIALLY CONCERNING BECAUSE OF HOW DANGER DANGEROUS IT IS TO OUR LUNGS. YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS. THAT IS WHY IT'S SO INCREDULOUS THAT WE STILL ARE DISCUSSING THIS. WE WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT A FEW TRUCKS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 70 TRUCKS. IT'S REALLY 140. THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. IT WOULD BE WORTH EVEN MORE 'CAUSE THEY WANT TO SELL THIS AND THEY TALK ABOUT IT BEING SAFE AND CLEAN. YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE CLEAN FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, BUT NOT FOR NATIONAL CITY. IN NATIONAL CITY. WE'RE GONNA GET ANOTHER 70 TRUCKS OF DIESEL POLLUTION, 70 MORE TRUCKS EVERY DAY, 24 7. SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE VOTING FOR. ARE YOU GONNA VOTE FOR ANOTHER 70 TRUCKS A DAY TO POLLUTE US AND, YOU KNOW, POISON US? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DANCING ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, THEY WON'T ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THEY'RE POISONING OUR COMMUNITY. UM, THERE THIS RAIL LINE GOES ALL THE WAY UP AND THERE'S ALL KINDS OF COMMUNITIES THAT IT GOES THROUGH WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE THE, THE, THE PROBLEMS WITH THE AIR POLLUTION. WHY CAN'T THEY PUT IT UP THERE? BECAUSE THOSE COMMUNITIES AREN'T FOR SALE. WE ARE FOR $200,000. SO THAT'S ALSO OF JUST RIDICULOUS. SO I, I HOPE YOU VOTE NOW. PLEASE REJECT THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MIKA POLANCO. MIKA POLANCO TO BE FOLLOWED BY KELVIN BAREZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY LOUISA MCCARTHY. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. MONEY AT THE EXPENSE OF THE PEOPLE. THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS IF YOU ARE WILLING TO GO OUT THERE AND FIND THEM. WE DON'T HAVE TO SETTLE FOR THIS ONE PROJECT. WHAT PROJECTS ARE YOU, AS POLICY MAKERS BRINGING INTERNATIONAL CITY, WHAT DO YOU WANT YOUR LEGACY TO BE? DO THE PROJECTS THAT YOU AS POLICY MAKERS ENHANCE THE WELFARE AND SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY, OF OUR PEOPLE? NO, THEY DON'T. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW THE LACK OF LEADERSHIP, BYRON, IS BEING SO SHORTSIGHTED AND NOT HAVING A PLAN IN PLACE FOR THE LONG-TERM VISION OF OUR COMMUNITY. IT AFFECTS ALL OF US. JUST LIKE THE SWEETWATER ORANGE PROJECT. MORE NOISE, MORE TRAFFIC, MORE POLLUTION, MORE GAS STATIONS. MORE ALCOHOL, MORE ACCIDENTS. WAY TO GO, RON. JUST KEEP IT COMING. THE CITY PLANNERS. OH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS OF APPROVAL. WHAT A SHAM. AND QUITE FRANKLY, RON, THAT'S VERY HYPOCRITICAL OF YOU TO SAY, OH YEAH. THE NEW LAW IS DEMANDING MORE HOUSING. YEAH. ON THE SWEETWATER ROAD, YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT MORE THAN 70 UNITS THERE AND YOU CHOSE TO PUT FIVE IN A GAS STATION AND MORE ALCOHOL AND MORE CAR WASHES. WE NEED MORE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING PE UH, FOR THE PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY, NOT JUST OUTSIDE DEVELOPERS LIKE THE RICOS THAT ARE REAL OUTSIDERS FROM RANCHO SAN DIEGO AND FROM EL CAJON VERSUS MYSELF, THAT I HAVE PROPERTIES HERE IN NATIONAL CITY AND HAVE BEEN SERVING THE COMMUNITY FOR OVER 20 YEARS. AND THE CITIZENS OF NATIONAL CITY, THE FOUNDERS OF NATIONAL CITY, ARE LATE TO REST AT OUR CEMETERY. I HOPE YOU DO THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, UH, KELVIN RE AND THEN LOUISA MCCARTHY, AND THEN MARTA FLORES. [04:40:05] GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR. MY NAME IS KELVIN BARRIOS. I AM HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE LABORERS UNION, LOCAL 89, REPRESENTING 5,000 UNION CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ACROSS SAN DIEGO COUNTY, AND INCLUDING SEVERAL HUNDRED MEMBERS WHO LIVE HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. WE'RE HERE TO STRONGLY SUPPORT THE CLEAN FUEL SD PROJECT. THIS PROJECT WILL BE BILLED UNDER A PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENT, WHICH GUARANTEES THAT CONSTRUCTION WILL BE DONE BY LOCAL UNION WORKERS WHO ARE TRAINED EXPERIENCE, AND COMMITTED TO HIGH SAFETY AND QUALITY STANDARDS. THESE ARE GOOD CAREER JOBS THAT SUPPORT FAMILIES AND STRENGTHEN OUR COMMUNITY. THIS PROJECT ALSO IMPROVES HOW FUEL MOVES INTO OUR REGION. RIGHT NOW, HUNDREDS OF FUEL TRUCKS HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN FROM THE LOS ANGELES AREA TO SUPPLY SAN DIEGO CLEAN FUEL. SD WILL ALLOW THAT FUEL TO COME IN BY RAIL AND BE DISTRIBUTED HERE LOCALLY, REDUCING THOSE, THOSE LONG DISTANCE TRUCK TRIPS, CUTTING CONGESTION AND EASING THE STRAIN ON OUR FREEWAYS AND INFRASTRUCTURE. WE KNOW THE COMMUNITY HAS CONCERNS, UM, WE RESPECT THAT. BUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOUND NO SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT WEREN'T ALREADY ADDRESSED WITH SAFEGUARDS AND MITIGATION MEMBERS MEASURES IN THIS PROJECT, WE'LL ALSO PROVIDE $200,000 A YEAR IN COMMUNITY BENEFITS, FUNDING AND INVESTMENT INTERNATIONAL CITY. THIS IS A CHANCE TO SUPPORT LOCAL JOBS, IMPROVE OUR FUEL SYSTEM, AND ENSURE RESPONSIBLE OVERSIGHT. UH, ON BEHALF OF OUR MEMBERS, WE URGE, URGE YOU TO VOTE YES. CONSIDER THIS PROJECT ON ITS MERITS. CONSIDER LADIES THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT. LADIES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UH, LOUISA MCCARTHY TO BE FOLLOWED BY MARTA FLORES. MCC YES. TO BE FOLLOWED BY CARINA CONTRERAS. AND THAT WOULD BE LANGO TO YOU, NOT MIKA. YOU LOST THAT PRIVILEGE. HEALTHY CULTURA MEMBER, THE PROPONENTS NOR CITY PLANNING STAFF HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS REGARDING THIS PROJECT. BOTH ILL PREPARED. I'M FUELED WITH DISGUST TO EVEN THINK OF ANY OF YOU WOULD EVER ENTERTAIN THIS REQUEST IF YOU SAY YES TO THIS INFESTATION OF POLLUTION AND NUISANCE PLACING THE RESIDENTS AT RISK FOR AN EXPLOSION FOR A MEASLY 200,000 A YEAR. IS IT, IS NATIONAL CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT READY TO SAFEGUARD THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THE RESIDENTS LESS THAN A HALF A MILE AWAY? IS THAT HOW YOU VALUE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY? WHY AREN'T THE SUITS PITCHING IT TO CARLSBAD? THEY HAVE TWO RAILROADS. NO. WHY WOULD THEY WHEN THEY GOT WORD OF NATIONAL CITY'S REPUTATION OF NASTY CITY THANKS TO RON MORRISON'S THREE DECADES IN OFFICE AND HAVING NOTHING GREAT TO SHOW FOR IT. THE MAGNET OF CORRUPTION AND POLLUTION. AND MARCUS TO YOU THAT ARE NOT EVER PAYING ATTENTION. IT'S HARD TO BREAK THROUGH THE WALL OF SMOKE FROM YOUR MARIJUANA USE. YOU'RE A HOPELESS CAUSE. YOU'RE NOT WORTHY OF EVEN TRYING TO PURSUE. YOU PERSUADE YOU. FOR THOSE WHO VOTE YES, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T SHOW YOUR FACE AT OLIVE WOOD GARDENS. AVOID THEM. THE EMBARRASSMENT OF HAVING TO HOST SOMEONE THAT GOES AGAINST THEIR VALUES. YOU SHOULD UPHOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION. I CALL OUT WHO I THINK I NEED TO CALL OUT. AND YOU'RE ALL INVITED TO READ THE DEPOSITION OF DAVID WELCH AND MARTIN REEDER PLANNING, UH, EXTRAVAGANZA AND SEE FOR YOURSELF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, THEIR LEVEL OF COMPETENCE. THANK YOU. MARTHA FLORES, FOLLOWED BY CORINA CONTRARES, FOLLOWED BY LIONEL. NO, I'M NOT GONNA TRY THAT LAST NAME, LIONEL. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, . MY NAME IS MARTHA FLORES AND I'M A CITIZEN, A RESIDENT OF NATIONAL CITY, A TAXPAYER AND A REGISTERED VOTER. AND I JUST WANT TO ADAMANTLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS DISASTROUS DANGEROUS PROJECT FOR OUR RESIDENTS, FOR OUR CHILDREN. I'M SO PROUD OF MY COMMUNITY THAT CAN STAND UP IN FRONT OF ALL OF YOU AND TELL YOU WHAT IT AFFECT, HOW DOES IT FEEL TO LIVE IN NATIONAL CITY WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. SO I BESIEGE YOU, I BEG YOU TO OPEN YOUR HEARTS AND LISTEN TO WHAT CES CHAVEZ SAID. OPEN YOUR HEARTS HISTORY WILL JUDGE SOCIETY [04:45:01] AND GOVERNMENTS AND THEIR INSTITUTIONS, NOT BY HOW BIG THEY ARE OR HOW WELL THEY SERVE THE RICH AND POWERFUL, BUT HOW THEY EFFECTIVELY RESPOND TO THE NEEDS OF THE POOR AND THE HELPLESS AND THIS RACIST INJUSTICE THAT WE LIVE IN IN NASHVILLE CITY. TAKE THAT TO HEART. PLEASE VOTE NO AGAINST THIS PROPOSITION. WE ARE NOT FOR SALE. IF IT TAKES A MILLION DOLLARS TO PAVE A STREET, 200,000 IS A SPIT IN THE FACE. NATIONAL CITY DESERVES TO LIVE WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY LIKE WE ALL DO, AS OF GOD REQUIRES BECAUSE WE WILL BE HELD TO THAT DECISION YOU MAKE TONIGHT. PLEASE VOTE NO. OKAY. CORINA CONTRERAS, FOLLOWED BY LIONEL. I'M GONNA JUMP ON THAT ONE. FOLLOWED BY, UH, DR. IAN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, HELLO MAYOR. VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME'S KARINA RAS. I'M HERE IN MY CAPACITY AS A POLICY ADVOCATE FOR CLIMATE ACTION CAMPAIGN. AND I URGE YOU TO DENY THE APPEAL FOR THIS FUEL TRANSFER FACILITY BASED ON CLEAR RISKS IDENTIFIED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT AND MISLEADING ASSUMPTIONS THAT UNDERMINED A RESPONSIBLE REVIEW OF THAT EIR. YOU HAVE FULL AUTHORITY OVER THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THE CITY ISN'T JUST A RUBBER STAMP. YOU CAN'T DENY THAT THE RISKS ARE REAL TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND TO HEALTH. AND THERE ARE NO CONDITIONS THAT CAN ADDRESS THIS SAFETY. AIR QUALITY, THREAT AND THREATS ARE UNDERESTIMATED. THE EIR ASSUMES MITIGATION MEASURES WILL FULLY PROTECT RESIDENTS FROM TRUCK POLLUTION, BUT IT FAILS TO CONSIDER THE CUMULATIVE IMPACTS UP TO 240 DIESEL TRUCK TRIPS DAILY IN AN AREA WITH SKY HIGH ASTHMA RATES. NO DUST SCREEN OR MITIGATION CAN ERASE THAT RISK. THE EIR SUGGESTS A FUTURE CLEANUP OF THE SOIL CONTAMINATION THAT WILL GO JUST PERFECTLY. BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE LINGERING TOXIC HEAVY METALS AND PCBS IN THE SOIL. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT SOIL IS DISLODGED? WHAT ARE THE RISKS THERE? TRAFFIC AND NOISE IMPACTS ARE MINIMIZED IN THIS EIR SAYING, TRUCK TRAFFIC IS GONNA PASS EXCLUSIVELY THROUGH INDUSTRIAL AREAS. BUT IN REALITY, THE ROUTES ARE RIGHT NEXT TO IMPORTANT FACILITIES, SCHOOLS, HOMES, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE CANNOT BE IGNORED. YOU CAN SAY NO AND I THINK YOU SHOULD. THANK YOU. OKAY, LIONEL, BE FOLLOWED BY DR. NUNAN AND THEN ATION. GOODNIGHT. UH, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS LEONNE RUEZ. I'M A PROUD LABOR LOCAL UNITED CONSTRUCTION WORKER, AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT CLEAN FUEL. THE PROJECT. THIS PROJECT WILL BUILT, UH, UNDER PLA, WHICH IS PROJECT LABOR AGREEMENT. THAT MEANS THAT WORK WOULD GO TO UNION MEMBERS LIKE ME. THERE ARE GOOD CONSTRUCTION JOBS WITH TRAINING BENEFITS AND FAIR WAGES. UM, JOBS, JOBS LIKE THIS HELP PEOPLE TAKE CARE OF THEIR FAMILY. UM, THIS PROJECT IS ALSO WELL PLANTED. IT WILL MOVE, MOVE LOW CARBON FUELS LIKE RENEWABLE DIESEL AND BIODIESEL. THESE ARE BETTER THAN THE OTHER FUELS WE HAVE USED IN THE PAST. THE PROJECT WAS STUDIED. THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOUND NO SERIOUS IMPACT. THAT MEANS SAFETY, TRAFFIC, AND AIR ISSUES WILL ALL REVIEW AND ADDRESSED. IT ALSO MEANS THE PROJECT WILL HAVE RULES IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY. PLEASE VOTE YES BASED ON THE FACTS. CLEAN FUEL SD IS A GOOD PROJECT AND WE, AND WE ARE READY TO BUILD IT IN THE RIGHT WAY. THANK YOU. HEY, A N PLEASE. FOLLOWED BY GEN NATION. FOLLOWED BY AMY CASTANEDA. OH, HI. MY NAME IS VN NEN. I'M ACTUALLY, UM, BORN AND RAISED IN SAN DIEGO, IN CHULA VISTA, JUST ACROSS THE WAY. UM, I'M ACTUALLY THE CHAIR OF THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS, CALIFORNIA STATE GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS COMMITTEE ON, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND CLIMATE CHANGE. AND ALSO THE LOCAL, UM, CHAIR OF THE SAN DIEGO, UM, A A P ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COMMITTEE AND FOUNDER OF SAN DIEGO PEDIATRICIANS FOR CLEAN AIR. SO I WORK WITH OVER 90 PEDIATRICIANS MEDICAL STUDENTS AT UCC AND PRE-MEDICAL STUDENTS. AND WE KIND OF, WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEER. [04:50:01] I'M HERE. UM, I'M REALLY PROUD. I'VE HELD THE SIGN VERY QUIETLY ON THE SIDE. UM, AND WE SHOW UP WHERE WE'RE NEEDED. AND SO THE BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO ME THAT WAS RAISED IN SAN DIEGO, CHILD OF REFUGEES, UM, WENT TO HARVARD, TRAINED AT MASS GENERAL NIH, AND CAME BACK AND I GET TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE I GREW UP WITH. SO TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF KIDS IN SWEETWATER, UH, LOTS OF BENITA POKES AND LIKE, THIS IS MY AREA. THIS IS WHY I'M HERE. AND I'VE BEEN DOING ASTHMA QUALITY METRICS FOR OVER 15 YEARS AT A MAJOR MEDICAL PLACE THAT IS OKAY WITH ME HERE. BUT I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MYSELF. AND SO, UM, REALLY I'M HERE BECAUSE THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE TONIGHT ARE HUGE. LIKE, GOSH, LIKE I WAS THINKING, I'M HERE FOR FIVE HOURS. I COULD HAVE SEEN MAYBE WHAT 20 PATIENTS. BUT DECISION YOU MAKE TODAY IS MORE IMPACTFUL. UM, LUNG CANCER, CARDIAC DEATHS FOR MY INTERNIST FRIENDS, YOU CAN AVERT AN ASTHMA. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I WAS JUST, I STILL HAD TO WORK AT NIGHT. I STILL HAD TO TAKE CALL. SO I WAS WORKING AT NIGHT, UM, AT URGENT CARE AND A KID CAME IN WITH AN ASTHMA ATTACK AND HAD SECONDARY PNEUMONIA AT WELL. AND SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY SCARY FOR A KID WHEN THEY HAVE ASTHMA. I DON'T KNOW, YOU PROBABLY HAVE KIDS WITH ASTHMA YOURSELF, WITH THE NEBU KID. YOU GOTTA LIKE PUT THEM ON A NON-REBREATHER, GIVE 'EM A SHOT OF STEROIDS. AND YOU KNOW, THE THING ABOUT THESE KIDS IS THAT IT'S OFTEN KIDS FROM NATIONAL CITY. IT'S OFTEN HISPANIC KID OR A FILIPINO KID, AND IT'S SCARY, BUT THEY LOOK AT YOU, THEY TOTALLY TRUST YOU. RIGHT? AND THAT'S MY JOB AS A TEACHER. I SHOW UP HERE FOR MY PATIENTS AND I HOPE THAT THEY TRUST THEIR GOVERNMENT TOO. SO PLEASE VOTE NO ON THIS. UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THEY CAN DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. THE KIDS IN NATIONAL CITY, WE WERE, WE ARE NOT GONNA BE A SACRIFICE ZONE. THANK YOU. JUNE NATION, FOLLOWED BY AMY CASTANEDA, FOLLOWED BY FLIPPED OVER HERE. UH, SERGIO, UH, MDO. GOOD EVENING MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF. IT'S DEFINITELY PAST MY BEDTIME, BUT WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH THIS. UH, I'M JEN NATION. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF OLIVE WOOD GARDENS AND LEARNING CENTER HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. UM, EACH YEAR WE WORK WITH THOUSANDS OF STUDENTS, FAMILIES, AND RESIDENTS TO BUILD A HEALTHIER, MORE JUST AND MORE SUSTAINABLE NATIONAL CITY. THE PROPOSED USDG FUEL STATION PROJECT STANDS IN DIRECT OPPOSITION OF THAT VISION. NATIONAL CITY ALREADY RANKS AMONG THE WORST IN CALIFORNIA FOR AIR QUALITY IN THE 90TH PERCENTILE FOR FOR POLLUTION. ACCORDING TO CAL AND VIRO SKIP SCREEN. THIS PROJECT DOESN'T FIX THAT PROBLEM. IT MAKES IT WORSE BY CONCENTRATING EVEN MORE POLLUTION RIGHT HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY, OUR RESIDENTS, OUR CHILDREN, AND OUR ELDERS SHOULD NOT CONTINUE PAYING THE PRICE FOR PROJECTS THAT BENEFIT CORPORATIONS INSTEAD OF PEOPLE. WE'VE HEARD PROMISES OF THE $200,000 A YEAR. I THINK EVERYBODY'S TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT. DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. THE APPLICANT MENTIONED THAT THAT COULD BE USED TO FIX ROADS AROUND THE SITE. TO ME, IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S NOT AN INVESTMENT IN COMMUNITY, THAT'S CORPORATE MAINTENANCE. UM, WE CONSTANTLY HEAR THAT NATIONAL CITY DOESN'T GET BIG PROJECTS. I'VE HEARD MANY OF YOU SPEAK ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO GET PROJECTS LIKE THE GAYLORD. I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE CREATIVE AND THINK ABOUT, MAYBE IT'S NOT THIS FUEL STATION, MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING ELSE TO DRIVE BETTER BUSINESS INTO OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE WAY MORE THAN THAT $200,000 A YEAR THAT WE KNOW ISN'T GONNA GO VERY FAR. UH, MANY OF YOU HAVE COME TO OLIVE GARDENS FOR EVENTS. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU SUPPORT OUR MISSION OF CREATING A HEALTHIER, MORE SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY. TONIGHT, THOUGH, IT'S THE MOMENT TO TURN THAT SUPPORT INTO ACTION. UH, STAND WITH THE FAMILIES, CHILDREN, AND RESIDENTS OF NATIONAL CITY AND VOTE NO ON THE USDG FUEL STATION PROJECT. UH, MANY OF YOU ARE HAVE, ARE ON THIS DI AND AGAIN, WE'RE SO GRATEFUL FOR ALL YOU DO. I WANT YOU TO REALLY DO A GUT CHECK OF WHY YOU GOT INTO PUBLIC SERVICE, WHY YOU DECIDED TO BE REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITIES THAT YOU DO. AND IS THIS REALLY THE PROJECT THAT'S GONNA HELP PROPEL THAT FUTURE FORWARD FOR ALL THE RESIDENCY YOU REPRESENT? THANK YOU SO MUCH. AMY CASTANEDA, FOLLOWED BY SERGIO. AND THEN, UM, ANGELICA ESTRADA. AWESOME. UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS AMY GUANELLA AND I'M THE ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF POLICY WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COALITION. BEFORE I BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO PRESENT THE, UH, 1019 SIGNATURES THAT WE HAVE COLLECTED OVER SEVERAL MONTHS OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE AGAINST THIS PROJECT. I ONLY HAVE ONE COPY THOUGH, SO YOU WILL HAVE TO SHARE IT. UH, SO FOR 45 YEARS, EHC HAS BEEN WORKING ALONGSIDE COMMUNITY MEMBERS HERE IN NATIONAL CITY TO ADOPT A WEBSITE SPECIFIC PLAN TO ADDRESS THE INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES AND AN AMORTIZATION ORDINANCE TO FACE OUT POLLUTING BUSINESSES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE POOR AIR QUALITY. OUR SENIORS, CHILDREN, AND COMMUNITY ARE BREATHING EVERY DAY. NATIONAL CITY HAS BEEN LEADING ON EJ ISSUES AND TODAY A SINGLE VOTE CAN REVERSE ALL THE GOOD WE'VE DONE FOR THIS COMMUNITY. ALL OF THIS WORK DIDN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. IT WAS A CULMINATION OF DECADES OF ADVOCACY TO UNDO RACIST LAND USE POLICIES AND FIGHT BACK BUSINESSES LIKE USDG FIELDS WHO HAVE PRIORITIZED THEIR PROFITS OVER THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF OUR COMMUNITY. NOW WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. WE'RE SEEING ILLEGAL TERMINATIONS OF EPA GRANTS AIM TO CLEAN OUR AIR AND OUR WATER. [04:55:01] PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE LOSING ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE. AND NOW WE ARE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING GRANTING A PERMIT TO A BIODIESEL COMPANY THAT WILL INCREASE POLLUTION AND UNDO ALL THAT PROGRESS THIS CITY HAS ACCOMPLISHED. TODAY WE LOOK AT OUR PROGRESSIVE LEADERS SITTING AT THE DIOCESE TO REJECT CORPORATE RE TO REJECT CORPORATE GREED. PRI PRIORITIZE THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF OUR YOUTH THAT ATTEND KIMBALL ELEMENTARY AND INTO ALL THE ELEMENTARIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. PLEASE DO NOT SELECT YOUR COMMUNITY TO THIS CORPORATE LOOTER REJECT U-S-U-S-E-G FIELDS. THANK YOU. OKAY, HERE WE HAVE SERGIO. OKAY. TO BE FOLLOWED BY ANGELICA ESTRADA TO BE FOLLOWED BY EDDIE PEREZ. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND ALSO COUNCILMAN. MY NAME IS S MACHADO. I'M A PROUD MEMBER OF LOCAL LABOR'S, LOCAL 89. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SUPPORT THE CLEAN AIR. THE CLEAN FUEL SAN DIEGO PROJECT. THIS PROJECT ISN'T JUST ABOUT FUEL, IT'S ABOUT MOVING OUR REGION FORWARD. IT WOULD BRING IN LOWER CARBON FUELS LIKE RENEWABLE DIESEL AND BIODIESEL. THAT'S PART OF A HOW SAN DIEGO COUNTY REDUCES EMISSIONS AND MEETS CLEAN ENERGY GOALS. THIS PROJECT HAS GONE THROUGH A FULL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REVIEW AND THE FINDINGS ARE CLEAR, NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS THAT CANNOT BE MANAGED. THAT INCLUDES SAFETY, TRUCK TRAFFIC AND SITE EMISSIONS. I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE HAVE CONCERNS, BUT THIS ISN'T ABOUT CHOOSING BETWEEN JOBS OR THE ENVIRONMENT. IT'S ABOUT DOING BOTH RESPONSIBILITY. AND THIS PROJECT MEETS THAT STANDARD. LET'S SUPPORT A PROJECT THAT CREATES GOOD UNION JOBS, SUPPORTS OUR ENERGY FUTURE, AND HAS DESIGNED WITH CARE AND OVERSIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND I URGE YOU TO VOTE YES ON CLEAN FUEL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. NOT IN KITTEN, NOT IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, PLEASE. UH, ANGELICA ESTRADA, FOLLOWED BY EDDIE PEREZ, FOLLOWED BY NICHOLAS PAUL. HELLO. UM, I'M ANGELICA ESTRADA. I'M A RESIDENT OF NATIONAL CITY IIDA. YOU'RE MY REPRESENTATIVE. I OWN A HOME WITH MY HUSBAND AND WE HAVE TWO CHILDREN, MARIA AND, UM, MARCEL. SORRY. NO AMOUNT OF JOBS MAKE UP FOR MY CHILDREN. BREATHING DIESEL POLLUTION IN OUR DISTRICT. EAT OUR KIDS BREATHE. 79% MORE DIESEL POLLUTION THAN ALL OF THE STATE. $200, $200,000 A SLAP IN THE FACE. I'M SO SORRY. I DIDN'T WANNA CRY. PLEASE UPHOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION RESPECT. UM, NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS PROCLAMATION STAND WITH OVER A THOUSAND COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO SIGNED THE PETITION AND THE HUNDREDS WHO EMAILED YOU. STAND WITH US. DON'T SIDE WITH THESE OUTSIDE CORPORATIONS. WE'RE GONNA TELL YOU WHATEVER THEY CAN. I'M SORRY. IT'S A PROFIT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. EDDIE PEREZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY NICHOLAS PAUL. UH, GOOD EVENING, EDDIE PEREZ. I'M HERE AND I OPPOSE THE, UH, PROPOSED FUEL TRANSFER FACILITY. NOW YOU CAN ALL SEE WHAT THIS SAYS IN THE BACK RACK. OKAY? ONLY RIGHT THERE. OKAY. YOU HAVE TO SPEAK INTO THE MIC, EDDIE. I'M SURE YOU COULD HEAR ME OKAY. NO, BUT ANYWAYS, YOU GOT MY POINT, RIGHT? YOU GOT IT. IT SAYS, HISTORIC OLD TOWN USED TO BE HISTORIC. NOW YOU DON'T REALLY RECOGNIZE IT. THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY BECAUSE ONCE YOU GUYS MOVED FROM THE CA SALU THAT PROPERTY AND CAME OVER HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF FORGOT ABOUT US. YOU KIND OF FORGOT ABOUT US WHEN YOU DID THE, THE PLAN TO MAKE OTNC UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. OKAY? AND NOW YOU'RE FORGETTING ABOUT US AGAIN. AND MR. DAVID, IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT GOES FROM NASHVILLE CITY BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY TO THE BAY, OKAY? AND WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE A NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT'S WHY WE OPPOSE THIS. THERE'S JUST TOO MANY THINGS GOING ON. TOO MANY RISKS. WE DON'T WANT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE TO PUT, YOU KNOW, TAKE CARE OF SOME EXPLOSION THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. AND IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN, BUT WE SHOULDN'T RISK IT. OUR KIDS, OUR YOUTH, OUR FAMILIES ON THE WEST SIDE HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF CRAP. MY MOTHER WAS BORN ON 1630 COOLIDGE AVENUE. I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR OVER 50 YEARS TO TRY TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT ON THE WEST SIDE. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. THEY GOT SOME GOOD IDEAS. THIS COMPANY, I WANNA GIVE 'EM THEIR DUES, BUT NOT HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. NOT IN OUR VALUE, NOT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO PLEASE LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS THIS ONE TIME. I KNOW YOU CARE ABOUT O OT [05:00:01] NC. PLEASE SHOW THAT YOU DO BY YOUR VOTE AND OPPOSE THIS, THIS PROPOSAL. IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S NOT THE RIGHT TIME. IT'S NOT THE RIGHT PLACE. NO MAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU NICK. NICHOLAS PAUL, GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY STAFF. MY NAME IS NICOLA PAOL. UM, I AM HERE TO URGE YOU ALL, UH, TO REJECT THIS, UH, APPEAL FROM USDG FUELS. UM, I, I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH MANY OF THESE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UH, FOR SEVERAL YEARS ON THE AB 6 1 7 COMMITTEE. AND WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD TO TRY TO IMPROVE AIR QUALITY IN THE PORT SIDE NEIGHBORHOODS. UH, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE TO SAY THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SUFFERS FROM SOME OF THE POOREST, UM, WORSE AIR QUALITY IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. MUCH OF THE CANCER RISK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ATTRIBUTED TO DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER. THE, THERE'S A TREND IN THIS MEETING, UM, IN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT LAND USE DECISIONS IN THE CITY. RESIDENTS OF NATIONAL CITY HAD PAID THE PRICE FOR BAD LAND USE DECISIONS ON THIS DAIS, AND THEY'VE PAID FOR IT WITH THEIR HEALTH. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE HERE AND HAVE BEEN EMAILING YOU FOR MONTHS. LITTLE ONES IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE HOSPITALIZED FOR ASTHMA RELATED ILLNESSES AT SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER RATES THAN KIDS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. CANCER RATES IN THE PORT SIDE ARE AMONGST THE HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY. AND WHAT'S FRUSTRATING ABOUT ALL THIS IS THAT THE APPLICANT IS FRAMING THIS AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE VICTORY OR WIN FOR THE REGION. BUT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE DOES NOT RESULT TRUE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE DOES NOT RESULT IN SACRIFICIAL COMMUNITIES. ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE CONCENTRATING DIESEL TRUCK TRAFFIC IN A COMMUNITY THAT'S ALREADY GASPING FOR CLEAN AIR. ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE INCREASING HEAVY DUTY TRUCK AND TRAIN TRAFFIC NEAR KIMBALL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OR THE MCKINLEY COM UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX. THAT'S NOT WHAT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE LOOKS LIKE. AND I'M CALLING ON ALL SELF THANK COMMENT CLAIMS. ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ADVOCATES HERE TO VOTE THE RIGHT WAY ON THIS ISSUE. YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE HAVE, UH, INDIVIDUALS ON ZOOM. YES WE DO. CAROL FOREMAN. YES. HERE I AM. YOUR VOTE AS WELL AS YOUR MORAL INTEGRITY ARE ON THE LINE TONIGHT. THE USDG PROJECT IS OPPOSED BY OVER A THOUSAND RESIDENTS WHO HAVE SIGNED A PETITION URGING THE CITY COUNCIL TO REJECT US G'S FUEL STATION, AS WELL AS A PROCLAMATION OPPOSING THE TRANSPORTATION BY THE NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT. WHILE THE EIR ISN'T SHOWING SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS, IT'S BEING FRAMED WRONG, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN IS FRONT AND CENTER. A LETTER FROM AIR RESOURCES BOARD ADDRESSED TO WHAT DAVID WELCH DATED JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. ON PAGE 14, THE PORT SIDE COMMUNITY IS ABOUT EIGHT SQUARE MILES ENCOMPASSING WEST NATIONAL CITY WITH A POPULATION OF APPROXIMATELY 53,000 WHO ARE ALREADY EXPOSED TO HIGHEST LEVELS OF AIR POLLUTION IN CALIFORNIA. VOTING IN FAVOR OF A HIGHLY OPPOSED ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDOUS PROJECT WOULD CONTINUE TO ENABLE THIS DESPICABLE FINDING, WHICH I GATHER THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY HAS BEEN ENABLING FOR DECADES. RESIDENTS OF NATIONAL CITY ARE NOT ALRE ARE ALREADY LIVING IN THE MOST POLLUTED PART OF CALIFORNIA. AND WE WANNA PUT AN END TO THIS DISGRACEFUL REALITY. THANK YOU. FRANCISCO CASTANETA HERE. I'D LIKE TO START BY MENTIONING THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT IS NOT THE ONLY STANDARD FOR APPROVAL IN CE QA AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT DOESN'T REPRESENT ALL THE FACTS. THE DEVELOPER'S QUICK TO DISSUADE, UH, RESIDENTS CONCERNS AS JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE BELIEVE OF THEORETICAL. WHEN THERE ARE REAL INSTANCES OF DISASTERS OCCURRING, THESE FUEL FACILITIES IN PALESTINE, OHIO, EL SEGUNDO, CALIFORNIA, AND MEXICO CITY, THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T HAVE LONG-TERM PLANS TO STAY IN THE COMMUNITY. HOW WILL THEY STAY ACCOUNTABLE TO THE COM COMMITMENTS THEY MADE TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY? YOU WANT US TO TRUST THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT FINDINGS? EVEN THOUGH THE COASTAL COMMISSION HAD CONCERNS OF THE CITY STAFF'S LEVEL OF REVIEW, A REDUCTION IN OVERALL EMISSION IN THE AREA DOES NOT MEAN A REDUCTION IN EMISSION TO THE LOCALITY OF NATIONAL CITY. IN FACT, IT MEANS AN INCREASE OF VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED INTO AND OUT OF NATIONAL CITY AND SENSE OF COMMUNITY AREAS. THE PROJECT IS INCONSISTENT AND THREATENS THE PROGRESS TO IMPROVE HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL OUTCOMES IN THE COMMUNITY. [05:05:01] NATIONAL CITY IS TIRED OF BEING A DUMPING GROUND AND THE PLACE FOR UNWANTED AND POLLUTING INDUSTRIES IN THE COUNTY. IMPROVING REGIONAL AIR QUALITY SHOULDN'T COME AT THE EXPENSE OF FAMILIES AND THE CHILDREN OF NATIONAL CITY. NATIONAL CITY DESERVES BETTER CHOOSE PEOPLE OVER PROVINCE. THANK YOU. UH, JOSE FRANCO GARCIA. HI, UH, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, VICE MAYOR AND, UH, MAYOR. MY NAME IS JOSE FRANCO GARCIA. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COALITION. FIRST OFF, I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR BEING THERE. EVERYBODY THAT'S SHOWN UP. I KNOW. I WISH I COULD BE THERE WITH YOU ALL TOO. BUT I WAS RECENTLY, UH, TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID, SO I DON'T WANNA BE THERE GETTING ANYBODY SICK, BUT LET ME SAY IS NOT. UH, ALSO WANTED TO THANK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THEMSELVES AND STAFF FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY COME OUT TONIGHT. AND WE HOPE YOU ARE LISTENING AND WE'LL TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT AND SAY THAT THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE OUT HERE TONIGHT, WERE OUT HERE BACK IN JUNE WHEN WE THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION. WERE PREPARED EVERY TIME IT WAS TALKED ABOUT GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION SINCE THEN, AND WE'RE THERE ON SEPTEMBER 15TH. AND WE WERE VERY GRATEFUL TO SEE THE PLANNING COMMISSION LISTEN AT THAT MOMENT AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WAS SAYING ALONG WITH RESIDENTS THAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM TONIGHT. ALONG WITH THE, UH, THOUSANDS OF PETITIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, WE ALSO HAD ALLIES SUPPORTING, SUCH AS THE CALIFORNIA NURSES ASSOCIATION, IBW, THE INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF ELECTRICAL WORKERS, AMERICAN FEDERATION OF TEACHERS AND MANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, UH, SAN DIEGO THREE 50 AND CLIMATE ACTION CAMPAIGN AND MANY OTHERS THAT SPOKE OUT AGAINST THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO SEE THIS PROJECT. AND ALSO, I WANT TO SAY, AS YOU'VE HEARD FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND WHAT THEY'VE SAID AND WHAT THEY WANT, THEY WANT TO BE PROTECT THEIR CHILDREN'S HEALTH. THEY WANNA PROTECT THE COMMUNITY'S HEALTH. AND ON TOP OF THAT, YOU'VE ALSO HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT EVERY TIME WE ASK THEM ABOUT ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES OR HOW CAN THEY ASSURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, PUT IN THE BEST TECHNOLOGY POSSIBLE, YOU GET A WELL, WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT. OR, AH, WELL, WE'RE NOT SURE. WE'LL MAYBE DO WHAT'S POSSIBLE IF IT'S ECONOMICALLY AFFORDABLE. LET ME TELL YOU, THEY'RE MAKING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OFF OF THIS PROJECT. IT IS ECONOMICALLY AFFORDABLE IF THEY WANT TO DO IT, IF THEY WOULD ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY TO DO THAT. THEY'VE SHOWN YOU AND THEY, AND THEY'VE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THAT'S NOT THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. OKAY. SO PLEASE DENY THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. UM, SARAH ATOA EVENING ALMOST GOOD MORNING, MAYOR MORRISON AND COUNCIL, I ASK FOR YOU TO REJECT TONIGHT'S APPEAL AND PROTECT YOUR RESIDENTS. TONIGHT, AS WAS RAISED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ, A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF TRAINED DERAILMENTS IN CALIFORNIA ARE BNSF TRAINS. THE NUMBERS HE CITED WERE NOT CHALLENGED ON THE RECORD TONIGHT, AND THEY ARE ALARMING. SOME OF THESE DERAILMENTS HAVE ALREADY RESULTED IN TOXIC ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS TO SENSITIVE CALIFORNIA WETLANDS. THE PROJECT PROPONENTS TONIGHT SAID THAT ANY OFFSITE IMPACTS BY CONTRACTED TRUCKS AWAY FROM THE FACILITY ARE NOT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. BUT SHOULD YOU APPROVE OF TONIGHT'S PROJECT, YOU HAVE BROUGHT THESE NEW RISKS TO THE COMMUNITY WITH AN EPICENTER OF RISK IN NATIONAL CITY TO NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS AND NEAR ALREADY IMPACTED SENSITIVE RECEPTORS. THE NEW ALARMING RISK TO OUR COMMUNITY, I LIVE JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SWEETWATER IN CHULA VISTA, DOES NOT EXIST WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT TONIGHT, THERE WAS A LENGTHY DISCUSSION OF EMISSIONS CALCULATIONS RELATED TO TRUCKS VERSUS TRAIN TRANSPORT OF THESE FUELS. BUT I DID NOT HEAR A DISCUSSION OF IMPACTS OF THE MUCH HIGHER VOLUME OF TRANSPORTED FUELS PER TRAIN COMPARED TO TRUCKS AND THE VERY REAL POSSIBILITY OF A DERAILED TRAIN WITH THE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS OF THAT HIGHER VOLUME OF FUELS COMPARED TO AN INCIDENT WITH A TRUCK CARRYING A MUCH SMALLER VOLUME. YOU CAN'T CLAIM A RELATIVES EMISSIONS CALCULATION BENEFIT OF TRAINS WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE INCREASED RISK RELATED TO THEIR TRANSPORTED VOLUME. ESPECIALLY WHEN BNSF HAS A RECENT HISTORY OF DERAILMENTS. IF A TRAIN TRIPPED DERAILMENT GENERATED A NATIONAL CITY BECAUSE OF YOUR APPROVAL, THIS STATION HAPPENS, UH, OF THIS STATION HAPPENS IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY, THAT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF ETHICAL QUOTE, TROLLEY PROBLEM END QUOTE. AND YOU CAN GOOGLE TROLLEY PROBLEM IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE REFERENCE. BUT IN CONCLUSION, I URGE YOU TO NOT CAUSE ANY NEW DANGER TO HUMANS WHEN WE CONSIDER POTENTIAL HAZARDS RESULTING FROM THIS PROJECT. I ALSO THINK OF THE EARLIER UNRELATED PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING RECOVERY OF FEMA FUNDS THAT HAVE YET TO BE RESTORED TO THIS CITY. YOU HAVE DISCRETION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT, THE PLANNING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU OLIVIA BOUDIN. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR [05:10:01] MORRISON AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I URGE YOU TO DENY THE APPEAL OF THE PROPOSED FUEL TRANSFER FACILITY AND TO UPHOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DECISION. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COALITION AND I'M A PARTNER AT COAST LAW GROUP. I'VE NOW TWICE HEARD THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE SAY, TRUST IN THE S QL PROCESS AND THE OUTCOMES AS IF SQL WAS INFALLIBLE. AS THE SQL PRACTITIONER, I CAN SHOW YOU THAT'S NOT THE CASE. CQA IS ONLY AS GOOD AS ITS APPLICATION. YOU SAW HOW THE APPLICANT FUMBLED TO THE LCP COASTAL ACT CONSISTENCY AND WETLAND ANALYSIS WHEN THEY WERE FORCED TO CONDUCT ADDITIONAL STUDIES AND POSTPONE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING THIS SUMMER. AND THE CITY HAS NOT EXERCISED ITS DISCRETION TO SET THRESHOLDS PROTECTIVE OF ITS, IT HAS DEFERRED TO THE CITY, TO THE APPLICANT'S CONSULTANT. THE LEAD AGENCY HAS SUBSTANTIAL DISCRETION IN DETERMINING THE APPROPRIATE THRESHOLD OF SIGNIFICANCE TO EVALUATE THE SEVERITY OF A PARTICULAR IMPACT. THIS IS BECAUSE AN IRONCLAD DEFINITION OF SIGNIFICANT EFFECT IS NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF AN ACTIVITY MAY VARY WITH THE SETTING IN EXERCISING THEIR DISCRETION. LEAD AGENCIES SUCH AS THE CITY, MUST NECESSARILY BE ALLOWED TO MAKE POLICY DECISIONS. AGAIN, THE LOWER CANCER RISK OF ONE IN A MILLION IS APPROPRIATE WHERE THE PROJECT IS NOT USED. TOXICS BEST AVAILABLE CONTROL TECHNOLOGY FOR ALL OF ITS TOXIC SOURCES AS AN AGENCY THAT HAS THE DISCRETION TO CONSIDER THE WHOLE OF THE PROJECT, NOT JUST STATIONARY SOURCES. IN CONTRAST TO AP CD'S JURISDICTION, YOU CAN EVALUATE THE ENTIRE PROJECT'S TOXIC EMISSIONS AND WHETHER THEY APPLY BEST CONTROL TECHNOLOGY TO THE ENTIRE PROJECT. I URGE YOU TO REVIEW PAGE 3 89 OF THE FEIR. THE APPLICANT ABSOLVES ITSELF OF TAC FOR ANYTHING MOBILE BECAUSE OF AP CD'S JURISDICTION NOT YOURS. ARE YOU TRULY WILLING TO ACCEPT A 70 YEAR RESIDENTIAL CANCER RISK OF NINE PER MILLION, JUST UNDER 10 AND A 30 YEAR EXPOSURE CANCER RISK OF THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. 7.6. THANK YOU LETTI, LETICIA, AA, LETICIA, ARIANA GALAGOS. HEY MAYOR. THAT CONCLUDES OUR ZOOM CON COMMENTS. A COUPLE OTHER SPEAKERS, THERE'S ONE THAT THAT ASKED, UH, DID NOT WANNA SPEAK, BUT NOW DOES. SO WE, UH, UM, MARA WILSON, WE ARE FOLLOWED BY RICHARD VARGAS TO BE FOLLOWED BY BERMAN JIMENEZ. HELLO, MY NAME IS MARA WILSON AND I'M THE YOUTH PROGRAM MANAGER AT SAN DIEGO THREE 50, WHICH IS A LOCAL CLIMATE NONPROFIT. UM, WE'RE IN STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE USDG, PROPOSED USDG FUEL TRANSFER STATION. WE WORK WITH STUDENTS ACROSS SAN DIEGO SOUTH BAY, WHO ARE ALREADY HEAVILY AFFECTED BY AIR POLLUTION AND ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM, INCLUDING MANY STUDENTS FROM NATIONAL CITY. THEY COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT SINCE IT'S 1130 ON A SCHOOL NIGHT. UM, BUT I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THEM AND READ THE SPEECH OF ONE OF OUR STUDENTS WHO SPOKE AT THE RECENT COMMISSION HEARING AND WHO ASKED ME TO READ IT FOR HER TONIGHT. SO I'LL READ IT NOW. MY NAME IS AZO BAY AND I'M CURRENTLY A SENIOR AT SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL. I'M THE FOUNDER OF THE ECO CLUB AT MY SCHOOL. THE PURPOSE OF ME SPEAKING IN FRONT OF YOU ALL TODAY IS TO TALK ABOUT THE POSSIBLE CHANGES TO NATIONAL CITY ONES THAT COULD COST US OUR HEALTH AND LIVELIHOODS. NATIONAL CITY IS WHERE I FEEL AT HOME. HAVING GONE THROUGH ALL THREE LEVELS OF SCHOOLING HERE AND NOW, SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL, MY LOVE AND PASSION FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT FLOURISHES WITH EACH DAY INTENSIFYING WHEN OUR QUALITY OF LIFE IS THREATENED, KNOWING THAT IF THE PLANS TO ESTABLISH THE FUEL TRANSFER STATION ARE FULFILLED, MY STUDENTS WILL HAVE TO SHIP. MANY STUDENTS WILL HAVE TO SHIFT THEIR FOCUS FROM THEIR STUDIES TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SAFE TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES. AS OF RIGHT NOW, I'M PART OF SWEETWATER'S CROSS COUNTRY TEAM WHERE PRACTICES CONSIST OF RUNNING TWO TO FOUR MILES THROUGHOUT NATIONAL CITY. SOMETHING WE TAKE PRIDE IN IS OUR HEALTH AND THEREFORE IT IS ESSENTIAL TO HAVE HIGH AVAILABILITY OF FRESH AIR, NOT JUST FOR ATHLETES AT SWEETWATER HIGH, BUT FOR EVERYONE WHO PLAYS A PART IN OUR COMMUNITY. OUR AREA IS ALREADY OVERFLOWING WITH FACILITIES RELEASING EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS OF CARBON AND POLLUTING AND ALARMING RATES RESULTING IN NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS BREATHING MORE AIR POLLUTION THAN MOST COMMUNITIES IN CALIFORNIA. CONTRIBUTING TO THE ISSUE IS ONLY BENEFICIAL TO THESE COMPANIES ALONE. AND THE DECISION TO LOCATE HERE IN OUR DISTRICT IS VERY CALCULATED. WE ATTRACT MANY COMPANIES SUCH AS THIS ONE BECAUSE WE AS A PEOPLE ARE HIGHLY MARGINALIZED, WRONGLY SUGGESTING THAT WE WON'T SHOWCASE OUR EFFORTS TO DEFEND OURSELVES IN [05:15:01] PLACES WHERE WE ARE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. THANK YOU RICHARD VARGAS. TO BE FOLLOWED BY FURMAN JIMENEZ. S BE UPON EVERYBODY HERE FOR AND AGAINST. UM, MY OPINION ON THIS IS THAT THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS AND THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS SHOULD NOT BE UP FOR SALE. UM, AS A MEMBER OF THE UGW, AS A MEMBER OF THE CCPU AND AS A PROVIDER FOR THE CHILDCARES PROVIDERS UNION, I'M ALSO GONNA SPEAK ON BEHALF OF OUR CHILDREN, MY GRANDCHILDREN. YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE KIDS HERE, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WITH THE COMMUNITY. THEY'RE HERE FOR SPECIAL INTEREST, JUST LIKE THE OTHER UNIONS BACK THERE. SPECIAL INTEREST. I GOT NO SPECIAL INTEREST IN THIS. I JUST TROLL YOU GUYS ON SOCIAL MEDIA. BUT THIS ISSUE RIGHT HERE, IT'S SERIOUS. DOES ANY ONE OF YOU HAVE A CERTIFICATE FROM ANY SCHOOL OF MINING? OKAY, PLEASE. I, SPEAKING OF THE MINING, DOES ANYBODY OF YOU OVER HERE OKAY, HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF THE SCHOOL OF MINING? YOU NEED TO ADDRESS IT UP HERE. OH, OKAY. AND NOT TALK TO THE AUDIENCE. OH, OKAY. MY BAD. THANK YOU. SORRY PROBLEM. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME UP HERE, YOU KNOW? OKAY. SO MY QUESTION FOR THEM IS, DOES ANYBODY OF THEM HAVE A CERTIFICATE OR SOME KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW, DIPLOMA FROM ANY SCHOOL OF MINING AND MINERALS ON THE SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY OF THE EXTRACTION ACTION, TRANSPORTATION, STORAGE, AND THE IMPACT IT HAS NOT ONLY IN THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT IN THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T THINK THEY DO 'CAUSE SIMPLE, AN SIMPLE QUESTIONS FROM NON KNOWN PEOPLE. THEY CAN'T EVEN ANSWER. THEY FUMBLE AND MUMBLE BETWEEN THEMSELVES. SO, LIKE I SAID, AS A MEMBER OF THE UDW AND THE CHILDCARE PROVIDERS UNION, I'M SPEAKING AS A FATHER GRANDFATHER. MY SON WAS BORN HERE. MY GRANDKIDS ARE HERE. I GOT A LOT OF FAMILY HERE, YOU KNOW. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. OH, SORRY. OKAY. UH, HELLO MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, KIND OF WANNA PULL UP MY IPAD, BUT IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ABOUT TO DIE. . UM, MY NAME IS PERMI JIMENEZ. UM, I AM AGAINST, UH, HAVING THE JET, I'M SORRY, THE FUEL TRANSFER HERE. UH, ACCORDING TO THE TIME IN SAN DIEGO, UH, THERE'S ABOUT 55,000 RESIDENTS HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. YOU COULDN'T PROTECT US FROM ALL THE POLLUTION THAT USS BOHO RICHARD RASHARD HAD DURING THE FIRE. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT THE POLLUTION FROM THAT FACILITY THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT IT'S GONNA BE PROTECTING US? WHAT MAKES YOU THINK OF THE EXPLOSION OR ANYTHING? BECAUSE I MEAN, IT WAS A CIGARETTE THAT LIKE LIT UP THAT SHIP, RIGHT? OR I DON'T KNOW, BUT , ANY, ANYTHING CAN LIT IT UP. YOU CAN'T PROTECT US NO MATTER, NO MATTER HOW, HOW MANY GUARANTEES AND THEY ALREADY ABSOLVED THEMSELVES FROM ANY LIABILITY THEY TOLD YOU EXPLICITLY. UM, I DON'T KNOW. UM, I URGE YOU TO PLEASE VOTE AGAINST THIS. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, OKAY, WE GOT A FEW MORE SPEAKERS BECAUSE THEY ORIGINALLY PUT ON THERE, THEY DIDN'T WANNA SPEAK, BUT NOW THEY SAID THEY WANNA SPEAK. SO ANYWAY, UH, CLAIRE, UH, GOVERNOR. ALRIGHT. HI Y'ALL. YOU KNOW ME. I'M CLAIRE . GOOD EVENING. UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL COMMUNITY STAFF. UM, I'M HERE REPRESENTING ALLWOOD GARDENS AND LEARNING CENTER, NATIONAL CITY URAS COALITION, ALL OF THE NATIONAL CITY FAMILIES AND KIDS THAT WE SERVE EVERY YEAR. AND I'M REALLY HERE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE TO URGE YOU TO SAY NO TO THIS PROJECT, TO UPHOLD THE DECISION THAT YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION MADE. THE FOLKS THAT YOU PUT INTO THAT ROLE TO UPHOLD THAT DECISION. TO UPHOLD THE PROCLAMATION FROM NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH IS SERVING OUR 4,000 TK THROUGH SIXTH GRADE STUDENTS HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. THE HEALTH OF OUR NATIONAL CITY COMMUNITY IS NOT AND SHOULD NOT BE FOR SALE. WE KNOW THAT LONG-TERM HEALTH IS OFTEN PUSHED ASIDE FOR ECONOMIC [05:20:01] GAINS. WELL, LET'S LOOK AT SOME OF THE MATH. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT 20 K OR 200 K, UM, THAT USDG IS, UH, POTENTIALLY GOING TO BRING TO THE CITY. THAT'S $3 AND 50 CENTS PER RESIDENT. SOMEONE WITH ASTHMA TYPICALLY SPENDS AROUND $3,725 PER YEAR JUST TO MANAGE THEIR CONDITION. IF JUST A HUNDRED NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS, WHICH WE KNOW IT'S MORE THAN THAT, HAVE ASTHMA, IT'S MORE THAN DOUBLE OR IT'S NEARLY DOUBLE WHAT USDG WOULD BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY. THE MATH ISN'T ADDING UP. AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE IMMEASURABLE LONG-TERM HEALTH AND ECONOMIC IMPLICATIONS THAT CHRONIC HEALTH CONDITIONS CAUSE AND EXACERBATED BY GHGS BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY. UH, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE EIR, THE DATA FROM THE, UH, AIR QUALITY COMES FROM SHERMAN HEIGHTS AND CHULA VISTA. THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'RE AT HERE. UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE ALSO KNOW THE SAYING, THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMEL'S BACK . WELL, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW BIG THAT STRAW IS, IF IT BREAKS THE CAMEL'S BACK, IT, IT HAD AN IMPACT. AND SO WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THESE COMPOUNDING IMPACTS, IMPACTS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. OKAY. VOTE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IS THE FINAL ONE? UH, WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND. OKAY. YOU CAN PUSH YOUR BUTTONS. THERE YOU GO. LET'S GET THE, THERE WE GO. AND THERE WE GO. MOTION TO PROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. THIS IS JUST TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT NOW. ALRIGHT. WHO WANTS TO LEAD OFF MR. MAYOR? UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE IS INCREDIBLY EAGER, BUT OTHERWISE, UM, NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS ARE INCREDIBLY GENEROUS. WE ARE VERY GENEROUS WITH EACH OTHER. WE'RE VERY GENEROUS WITH BUSINESSES. UM, AND WE SACRIFICE A LOT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. BUT WE'RE NOT FOOLS. WHY SHOULD WE TAKE THE BURDEN FOR THE ENTIRE REGION? AGAIN, AGAIN, SOMETHING WAS SAID EARLIER THAT, UM, REALLY STUCK OUT TO ME. ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE DOES NOT HAVE SACRIFICIAL LAMBS AND ONE OF THE MOST POLLUTED COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE. THAT IS WHO WE ARE. AND, AND I GET A LITTLE BIT OF EMOTIONAL BECAUSE THIS IS OUR COLLECTIVE HISTORY, AND WE KNOW THIS. IT IS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE ALMOST AT MIDNIGHT. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS ON A NORMAL BASIS. IT'S, IT'S A HISTORY OF BEING TAKEN FOR GRANTED. IT'S A HISTORY OF BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, OF BEING DISMISSED, OF NOT BEING LISTENED TO. THIS IS THE HISTORY THAT OUR COMMUNITY CARRIES. AND WHETHER YOU'RE SOMEBODY FROM THE WEST SIDE OR YOU'RE SOMEBODY EAST OF THE 8 0 5, THE SENTIMENT AND THE FEELING IS THE SAME. AND SO, UM, WE HAVE THIS HISTORY OF BUSINESSES IN NATIONAL CITY, ON THE WEST SIDE AT OUR PORT, UM, WHO ESSENTIALLY CALL FOR PRIORITIZING THEM ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE, ABOVE OUR COMMUNITY'S HEALTH, ABOVE COMMUNITY'S GROWTH, ABOVE FINANCING FOR FUTURE GROWTH FOR THE CITY. SO WE CAN PROVIDE BENEFITS AND WAGES AND, AND, AND, AND, AND GOOD COMMUNITY SERVICES FOR OUR COMMUNITIES TO THRIVE. AND ULTIMATELY, MORE FUEL EMISSIONS WILL DECREASE THE QUALITY OF LIFE. AND THAT WOULD BE UNDER THIS PROPOSAL, GOOD FOR THE ENTIRE REGION. BUT IT'S NOT GOOD FOR NATIONAL CITY. AND SO I, I JUST DO HAVE A FEELING, I DO HAVE A FEELING THAT, UM, IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, THE CITY WILL EVENTUALLY REGRET IT. JUST LIKE WE'VE REGRETTED MANY DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE THE CITY FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS. WE REGRET IT FIVE YEARS LATER, 10 YEARS LATER, 20 YEARS LATER. AND THEN WE'RE STUCK WITH AN INDUSTRY WE CANNOT POTENTIALLY CHANGE. WE DEAL WITH THIS ALL THE TIME. SO I AM NOT OKAY WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. I MET WITH THE DEVELOPERS, I MET WITH COMMUNITY. UM, BUT ULTIMATELY I THINK THIS IS NOT A GOOD PROJECT FOR NATIONAL CITY. I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST HIM. THANK YOU. [05:25:03] THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE HERE. STAFF WHO MADE THE REPORT, THE DEVELOPERS. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, CHIEF, I LISTEN TO YOU AND CHIEF, UM, UM, HERNANDEZ, I LISTENED TO THE SAFETY ASPECT OF IT. UM, THIS, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE FOR GENERATIONS. I'M HERE ON MY COMPLETING MY THIRD YEAR IN OFFICE, RIGHT? SO WHATEVER HAPPENED BEFORE WE'RE ALLOWED WAS ALLOWED, ALLOWED BY WHOEVER LEADERS WERE HERE BEFORE, RIGHT? BUT WE GOTTA LOOK AT THE MERIT OF THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S NOT WORDS, IT'S THE FACTS, RIGHT? FACTS. SHOW IT HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU, YOU, YOU SAY THIS AND I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT THIS FILE WITH ME IN MY CONFERENCE IN, IN CHICAGO. I READ IT BACK TO BACK, MADE PHONE CALLS, ASKED QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, DRILLED MARTIN, DRILLED OUR CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DRILLED THE CHIEF AND, AND, UM, AND, UM, ASKED LEGAL QUESTIONS AS WELL TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY. YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS THAT THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY BNSF. THAT'S MY RIGHT. THEY ARE NOT GOING AWAY, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT. SO ARE WE. SO ARE WE EXACTLY RIGHT. YOU HAD YOUR TIME TO SPEAK. SO, SO YOU KNOW MEAN THERE ARE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE, UM, UM, WORK THAT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE THAT HAS TO HAPPEN TO WORK WITH THEM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS, WE MUST WORK WITH THEM BECAUSE WE HAVE MANDATE FROM THE, WE HAVE MANDATE FROM THE STATE BECAUSE OF ALL THIS, UM, CLEAN AIR CLIMATE CHANGE, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I I UNDERSTAND WE HEAR WORDS. NO FACTS. I HEAR, I SEE FACTS HERE, RIGHT? I SEE FACTS LEFT AND RIGHT FROM THE, YOU MEAN FROM THE, UH, FROM THE EIR THAT'S BEEN CERTIFIED FROM SEEK. I AM NOT A PROFESSIONAL THAT MAKES THOSE REPORTS, THAT STUDIES THOSE RACIAL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN CHARACTERISTICS, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN ALL THE, THE QUALITY. UM, I'M NOT, BUT THERE ARE REPORTS THAT WERE GIVEN OR PROVIDED TO US, TO ME, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UM, BY THE AGENCIES THAT TAKES CARE OF THESE REPORTS, THAT TAKES CARE OF THESE STUDIES. AND SO WE, WE, WE HAVE TO RE REALLY, REALLY MAKE THE BEST SITUATION TO ENSURE THAT CONCERNS OF BOTH PARTIES ARE MET. BUT, BUT REALLY WE HAVE ALSO GOALS THAT THE STATE HAD MANDATED TO US LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO MEET THAT, TO REDUCE THE AIR POLLUTION. SO, YOU KNOW, UM, LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST READ WHAT, UM, THE SUMMARY OF, UM, THE SUMMARY THAT, UM, THAT, THAT IS ONE OF THE REFERENCES THAT, UM, THAT SAYS HERE, PROJECT RELATED EMISSIONS FOR CRITERIA POLLUTANTS DURING BOTH CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF THE PROJECT WERE FOUND TO BE WELL BELOW APPLICABLE DAILY THRESHOLDS AND LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT AS DEFINED BY SIGNIFICANCE CRITERIA. THERE'S TELEVIS VISIONS. WE DIDN'T SAY THERE'S NONE, RIGHT? WAIT, WAIT, EXCUSE ME. WE DIDN'T SAY THERE'S NONE. JUST ONE MOMENT, RIGHT? OKAY. WE HEARD YOU. I HEARD YOU. I SAT HERE. OKAY. I HEARD YOU. OKAY? SO DON'T BE DISRESPECTFUL LIKE THAT. OKAY. DEUS. ONE MOMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. SO YOU LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING BECAUSE I'M READING THE REPORT. ARE YOU STILL READING? OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. DID WE SAY THERE'S NOT, HOLD OFF A SECOND. ADDITIONALLY, EVERYONE OUT THERE, YOU HAD A CHANCE TO COME UP AND SPEAK. NOW THE COUNCIL HAS THEIR OPPORTUNITY. YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE. OKAY? SO BE RESPECTFUL WHETHER YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE. YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALK ABOUT TOLERANCE, WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, DIVERSITY. WELL, LET'S PRACTICE A LITTLE BIT HERE FOR A MOMENT AND ALLOW, ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT EVERY VIEWPOINT MAY NOT BE YOURS, BUT LET'S RESPECT EACH OTHER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ADDITIONALLY, NEITHER PROJECT OPERATIONS NOR PROJECT CONSTRUCTIONS WOULD RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT [05:30:01] CONTRIBUTION TO CARCINOGENIC CANCER RISK IN THE COMMUNITY. FURTHERMORE, HEALTH RISK FROM NON CARCINOGENIC TOXIC AIR CONTAMINANTS EXPOSURE DURING BOTH CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION WERE FOUND TO BE WELL BELOW SIGNIFICANT THRESHOLDS. THESE ARE CHARACTERISTIC, MAKE THESE FUELS ENVIRONMENTALLY, SOCIALLY, AND IN LONG-TERM RESPECT, ECONOMIC ECONOMICALLY PREFERABLE TO PETROLEUM-BASED FUELS. GIVEN THESE FACTS, ONCE THIS PROPOSED FACILITY IS COMPLETED, NATIONAL CITY WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CLEAN FUEL HUB FOR THE GREATER SAN DIEGO AREA. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HOLD ON A SECOND. AGAIN, I WILL SAY WE HAVE TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE. BNSF. OWN THAT PROPERTY. HEY, KEEP IT DOWN, FOLKS. PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL. WE LISTEN TO YOU. PLEASE RESPECT HER AND EVERYONE ELSE IN HERE. AGAIN, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH WHAT WE GOT, CORRECT. WE DO. BECAUSE IF THAT PROPERTY WILL, WILL, UM, WILL EXERCISE THEIR RIGHTS, WE DON'T HAVE A SAY. WE LOSE OUR, OUR, UH, PREFERENCES RIGHT NOW. WE CAN MAKE, WE CAN HAVE COMPROMISES WITH THE DEVELOPER AS A CITY. SEE, THAT IS A COMPROMISE WE HAVE TO MAKE. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. NOT JUST SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT IT BECAUSE THEY KILL. WHERE'S THE RATIO? THE PAPERWORK DOESN'T SAY THAT, RIGHT? SO LET US CONSIDER ALL THE FACTS. I STAND HERE, I SIT HERE AS YOUR COUN ELECTED AS THE DISTRICT THREE COUNCIL MEMBER. I READ THIS, BUT I GO WITH FACTS, THE MERIT OF THE PROJECT. NO DISRESPECT TO MY CONSTITUENTS. THANK YOU, MAYOR, UH, MEMBER BUSH. YEAH, I JUST, UH, REALLY, UM, EXTEND MY HEARTFELT THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO CAME HERE TONIGHT AND INSTINCT AT, UH, 12 O'CLOCK, UH, ALL THE STORIES THAT YOU ALL SHARED, ESPECIALLY THOSE OF THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS OF OT AND C WHO'VE BEEN DEALING WITH ASTHMA, CANCER, AND ALL THE BURDENS FROM OUR HORRIBLE LAND USE DECISIONS. YES, IT'S ENVIRONMENTAL RACISM. YES. UM, HISTORY EVER SINCE, UM, REALLY THE FREEWAY GOT BUILT, OUR, OUR COMMUNITY HAS ABSOLUTELY BEEN TARGETED. UM, WE, WE'VE SEEN IT. I DON'T WANNA REPEAT EVERYTHING EVERYBODY SAID, BUT, UM, WE ARE ONE OF THE MOST POLLUTED COMMUNITIES IN THE ENTIRE STATE, REALLY, IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. AND WE, WE NEED TO DO SO. WE, WE HAVE FAILED IN ENFORCEMENT OVER THE DECADES. WE'VE EN WE, SOME OF THE FOLKS HAVE, HAVE BROUGHT THAT UP ABOUT HOW WE HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH TO ENFORCE, WE'VE FAILED IN ALLOWING IN INDUSTRY RIGHT NEXT TO HOMES. OT C USED TO BE A THRIVING MIDDLE CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT DID GET DESTROYED BY INDUSTRY, BY OUR, OUR PREVIOUS, UH, COUNCILS ALLOWING THAT IN. IT HAS BEEN HURT BY THE PORT OF SAN DIEGO AND THE OPERATIONS AND THEM SENDING EVEN MORE, UH, DIESEL TRUCK STORE NEIGHBORHOODS, LIKE WITH THE DOLE FACILITY AND OTHER LAND USE DECISIONS. WE HAVE BEEN CUT OFF FROM OUR WATERFRONT. SO I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THAT. UM, UH, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THE STAFF FOR BEING SO, UH, DILIGENT AND, AND WORKING THROUGH THIS. I, I ALSO, UM, I, I DO WANT TO THANK THE APPLICANTS FOR GOING THROUGH THIS, UH, FOR THIS PROCESS. UM, AND I'LL, AND I'LL SAY THIS ABOUT THE, UH, APPLICANTS. THEY MET WITH ME A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. UM, I WAS VERY SKEPTICAL OF, UH, WHAT THEY WERE TELLING ME THEY WOULD DO ABOUT AIR, AIR QUALITY. THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY WOULD IMPROVE AIR QUALITY WITH THEIR PROJECT. I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT. I DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD, THAT THEIR PROPOSAL TO BRING CLEAN RAILS WOULD DO. BUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, AS COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI SAID, UM, CITED, IT DOES SHOW AN IMPROVEMENT IN AIR QUALITY. REGIONWIDE AIR IS NOT JUST CONFINED TO NATIONAL CITY AIR TRAVELS. AND I WANT EVERYONE, AND I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN SOME OF THE FOLKS BECAUSE I WANT A DIALOGUE WITH US. AND SO FACTS DO MATTER. AND I HAVE DIDN'T REALLY HEAR MUCH ABOUT THE ACTUAL, WHAT IS STATED. ALL THE STUDIES THAT WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON, OUR CITY STAFF HAD THREE DIFFERENT INDEPENDENT, UM, UH, GROUPS REVIEWING THIS. SO IT WAS, UH, THE, UH, CITY STAFF REVIEWED IT. THAT'S ONE INDEPENDENT, UH, REVIEW. WE PAID WSPA CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT THIS AND OUR AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT, WHICH I CURRENTLY CHAIR, AND OUR, UM, OUR STAFF REVIEWED THIS. SO JUST TO, TO BREAK THIS DOWN ON THE AIR QUALITY SECTION. SO TO ME, THE, UH, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS, THE HAZARDS ARE IMPORTANT. THE WETLANDS ARE IMPORTANT. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF IT IS PROTECTING OUR AIR AND PREVENTING FURTHER CANCER, ASTHMA, AND ANY OTHER, UH, POLLUTING USE IN THE, IN OUR, IN OUR CITY. SO, BUT [05:35:01] IN THE AIR QUALITY ANALYSIS REVIEWED BY A PCD, IT MET OUR THRESHOLD. SO AS CHAIR OF A-P-C-D-I WORKED ON THIS TWO YEARS AGO, WE REDUCED, WE ACTUALLY IMPROVED OUR THRESHOLDS FOR DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER EMISSIONS FOR INDUSTRY, FOR MOBILE SOURCES FROM, IT'S, IT'S ON HERE, A HUNDRED PARTS PER MILLION TO 10 PARTS PER MILLION. AND SO THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS SAYING IT SHOULD BE ONE PART PER MILLION. AND I RECOGNIZE THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE REAL WITH YOU ALL. I DON'T WANT TO KEEP MOVING GOAL POSTS EITHER. I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S FAIR. THEY MET OUR THRESHOLD. AND THE EIR, HOWEVER, THAT'S THE EIR, IT IS TRUE THAT WE CAN MAKE OUR OWN, UH, THAT WE CAN GO BEYOND WHAT THE EIR SAYS. AND I DID HEAR, UM, EVERYONE KEPT SAYING, UH, OR A LOT OF FOLKS KEPT SAYING THAT IT'S NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. THAT'S NOT TRUE. IT'S LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT. BUT I HAVE TO SAY, FOR ME, IT IS SIGNIFICANT. IT'S STILL SIGNIFICANT TO ME THAT EVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE POLLUTION, D ESPECIALLY DIESEL, PARTICULATE MATTER, WHICH IS A CARCINOGEN, IT CAUSES CANCER. AND WE'VE SEEN THE HIGHEST RATES OF CANCER EVEN ADDING A LITTLE BIT IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT IS, UM, IT'S A PROBLEM. AND IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH OUR SERP, WITH OUR COMMUNITY EMISSION REDUCTION GOAL FROM OUR AB 617 COMMUNITY. SO FOR ME, AND I TOLD THE APPLICANTS THIS, UM, THAT MY GOAL IS ZERO NET NEW POLLUTION. AND SO THAT'S, SO MY, MY ISSUE, IT'S NOT INDUSTRY. IT'S, UM, IT'S THE POLLUTION THAT IS CAUSING, AND IT IS CAUSED BY MOBILE SOURCES. AND SO FOR ME, IF WE CAN GET THIS PROJECT TO ZERO EMISSIONS, THEN I, THEN THAT ACCORDING TO THE EIR, THE STUDIES AND EVERYTHING, THE FACTS, THIS HELPS, UH, OUR, OUR AIR QUALITY, IT'S TAKING DIESEL TRUCKS OFF THE ROAD AND REPLACING IT BROUGHT IN WITH RAIL. THAT IS AN EFFICIENCY, THAT IS AN IMPROVEMENT TO OUR AIR QUALITY, REGIONWIDE AND LOCALLY. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE DIESEL TRUCKS, UH, THAT ARE IN, ARE GOING TO BE MORE CONCENTRATED NATIONAL CITY. WE'VE HEARD IT, THE 70, UH, THE 76, UH, 80, 72, THANK YOU. THE 72, UH, ADDITIONAL TRUCKS. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT ADDRESSED. AND IDEALLY, THEY'RE ELECTRIFIED. SO, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S, UH, THERE, THERE'S SOME NATIONAL, UM, ISSUES WITH GRANTS GETTING PULLED BACK AND ALL THAT. THERE'S AN ELECTRIC TRUCK STOP FACILITY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. I HOPE THAT WE CAN USE THAT. BUT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S MY WHAT I WANT TO WORK, TO TRY TO GET THE APPLICANTS TO ADDRESS. IF WE CAN GET THIS PROJECT TO ZERO NET POLLUTION OR EVEN EVEN BEYOND THAT, EVEN IMPROVING, UH, THE POLLUTION REGIONWIDE, I THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE. NOW, THE 200,000, I JUST WANT, UH, FOLKS TO KNOW, UH, THAT 200,000, UH, IN ECONOMIC BENEFITS, UH, I'M, I'M NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN THE, LIKE, YES, WE WANT, WE WANT, WE NEED MORE MONEY. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY FOR ME, IT'S ABOUT THE COMMUNITY HEALTH. AND IT'S TRUE. YOU CAN'T PUT A PRICE ON THAT. SO I DON'T THINK THAT 200,000, UH, WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. UM, SO, BUT WHAT I'M FOCUSED ON IS WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT CAN YOU ALL DO AS THE APPLICANTS? WHAT CAN YOU DO TO MAKE IT TO WHERE THERE'S ZERO NET NEW POLLUTION TO WHERE YOU, YOU GUYS ARE EVEN IMPROVING THE COMMUNITY AIR QUALITY? LIKE HOW CAN WE WORK TO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WASN'T, UH, ACKNOWLEDGED OR SAID TONIGHT IS THERE'S BEEN DECADES OF EXISTING POLLUTION. SO EVEN IF WE DENY THIS PROJECT, AND I'M OPEN TO DOING THAT, TO JUST DENYING THIS PROJECT OUTRIGHT, BUT IF WE DENY THIS, IT'S, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE MORE, THERE'S STILL POLLUTION HERE. THERE'S STILL BEEN POLLUTION FOR DECADES. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. THE THREE SOURCES, THE THREE MAIN SOURCES OF POLLUTION IN NATIONAL CITY, IT'S COMING FROM THE PORT. IT'S COMING FROM INDIVIDUAL LIKE AUTOBODY SHOPS AND INDUSTRY. AND IT'S COMING FROM THE FREEWAY. AND FOR DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN THE CONVERSATION FROM, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS HERE, DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER, IT'S SHOWN IN THE SERP, IT'S SHOWN IN THE MAPS. THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS COMING FROM THE FREEWAY. SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO ADDRESS THAT? AND I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. SO I WANT TO HAVE A NUANCED DISCUSSION, AND I DO RECOGNIZE ALL THE EMOTIONS. I, I, FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE HERE HAVE HAD, UM, UH, FRIENDS AND FAMILY DIE OF CANCER OR HAVE HEALTH COMPLICATIONS FROM ASTHMA. SO I DON'T WANT TO, UH, UM, US TO DISMISS THAT. I WANT US TO, TO BRING THOSE NUMBERS DOWN. I WANNA HAVE A CONVERSATION IN HOW WE DO THAT. AGAIN, I'M OPEN TO OPPOSING THE, THE PROJECT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, MY, MY COLLEAGUES. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, I ALSO WANT US TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS PROJECT OVERALL HAS AN AIR QUALITY IMPROVEMENT FOR OUR REGION. AND THAT'S IN THERE, THAT'S, UH, MENTIONED IN OUR ANALYSIS. IT'S CONFIRMED BY A PCD, BUT WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT THOSE ADDITIONAL, UH, DIESEL TRUCKS? LAST THING I'LL SAY, UM, UH, TWO OF THE COMMENTS THAT I THINK [05:40:01] WERE HYPOCRITICAL, AND I DON'T APPRECIATE FROM MIKA AND LUISA FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS. AND THEY COME HERE WITH THEIR CLOWN SHOW EVERY SINGLE MEETING, BUT IT'S THE HEIGHT OF HYPOCRISY FOR THEM TO COME UP HERE AND TRY TO CHASTISE US, OR EVEN THE APPLICANTS ABOUT AIR POLLUTION WHEN THEY OWN LA VISTA MEMORIAL PARK. IT HAS A CREMATORIUM. I HAVE HERE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION RIGHT HERE, AND I CAN, CAN GIVE OUT COPIES FROM AUGUST 15TH, 2024, UNTIL THE DATE THAT THIS WAS REPORT, OCTOBER 10TH, 2024, THEY HAD A NOTICE OF VIOLATION FOR AIR POLLUTION, FOR THE AIR CREMATORY EXCEEDING AIR, AIR PARTICULATE MATTER. IN SPECIFICALLY, IT WAS, UH, UH, PARTICULATE MATTER CONDITION 12, FAILURE TO MAINTAIN THE EXHAUST STACK, TOTAL PARTICULATE GRAIN LOADING BELOW 10 GRAINS AT 12% CO2 VOLUME. SO WHEN YOU READ THIS, IT'S NEARLY THREE TIMES THE LIMIT. THAT'S AN ISSUE. AND SO I DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING UP HERE BEING HYPOCRITES, RIGHT? THEY WERE POLLUTING THEMSELVES. THEY GOT CITED BY OUR AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT. SO I WANNA PUT THAT, UH, ON THE RECORD, BUT I'M OPEN. AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY COMING HERE AND, AND FIGHTING FOR YOUR COM, FIGHTING FOR US, AND FIGHTING FOR NATIONAL CITY. I DON'T WANT TO BRING, UH, POLLUTING LOOP, UH, U USES HERE. I WANT, UH, OUR APPLICANTS OR WHOEVER IS COMING IN HERE TO ACTUALLY BRING THEIR, HAVE NET ZERO AND MAYBE EVEN IMPROVE OUR, OUR AIR QUALITY. SO, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS ACCORDING TO EIR IS GONNA DO, BUT IT'S ABOUT THE CONDITIONS. AND SO FOR ME, I'M INTERESTED IN HAVING, UH, PUTTING CONDITIONS SUCH AS ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES. AND I HOPE THE COMMUNITY WOULD SUPPORT THAT. IF THE, IF THE ISSUE IS THE POLLUTION, THEN WHY, IF WE'RE ADDRESSING IT, THEN, THEN SHOULDN'T WE SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT BRINGS IN ETHANOL BIODIESEL? IT'S NOT THE END ALL, BE ALL IT, UH, IDEALLY ELECTRIFICATION, I THINK IS, IS THE BEST. BUT I THINK THAT, BUT THAT'S A GOOD TRANSITION, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR NATIONAL POLITICAL CLIMATE. SO, UM, I, SO I'M OPEN ON THIS, UM, TO PUTTING CONDITIONS AND I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT MY, UH, COLLEAGUES THINK ABOUT THAT. OKAY. UM, THAT SHE SWEET. UH, THANK YOU, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY THAT CAME TONIGHT AND STAYED SO LATE WITH US. UM, I, I LIVE IN DISTRICT ONE. I DON'T LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT I FREQUENT THE WEST SIDE. I GO TO CHURCH AT ST. ANTHONY'S CHURCH. MY CHILDREN VISIT THEIR FRIENDS AT PARADISE CREEK APARTMENTS AND PARADISE CREEK EDUCATIONAL PARK VERY OFTEN. UM, WE TAKE THE TROLLEY ON 24TH STREET OVER TO DOWNTOWN AND, AND WHEREVER WE NEED TO GO. SO I FREQUENT THE WEST SIDE VERY OFTEN. UM, AND I'M NOT GOING TO, UH, BELABOR THE POINT THAT HAS BEEN MADE BY THE COMMUNITY THAT SHOWED UP TONIGHT, WHICH IS ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE CONCERNS. UM, WHAT I DO WANT TO, UH, REITERATE IS MY EARLIER POINT THAT, UM, BIODIESEL IS, UH, A POSITIVE. AND I THINK IT IS A NET POSITIVE. AND I DO BELIEVE IN THE TECHNOLOGY AND IN THE SCIENCE, BUT NOT IN THIS SECTION OF NATIONAL CITY. IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE. THE, THE LOCALIZED, THANK YOU. THE LOCALIZED BURDEN INSIDE NATIONAL CITY WILL GO UP BECAUSE EVERY LOADED TRAIN WILL BE DIESEL POWERED. AND EVEN IF WE PUT CONDITIONS ON THE CUP THAT EVENTUALLY ALL OF THE, UH, TRUCKS THAT ARE TRANSPORTING THE FUEL WILL HAVE TO GET TO, UM, BE EV TRUCKS OR WHATEVER, UH, THE TRAINS WON'T, THE TRAIN WILL CONTINUE. AND WE HEARD THERE'S, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF IT, 12 ROWS OF 12 TRAIN SECTIONS, AND THERE'S SEVERAL THAT THERE'S ROWS OF THEM. UM, I, I, I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE IN MY MIND THAT THE, UH, PARTICULATE MATTER FROM THE TRAINS, UM, IS NOT SIGNIFICANT. YOU KNOW, THE, THE EIR IS WHAT THE EIR IS. I HAVE MY ISSUES WITH IT, BUT, UM, I'M NOT AN EXPERT JUST AS, UM, MEMBER YAMANI MENTIONED. SO, UM, I CAN'T DEFEND MY VISCERAL, UM, REACTION TO THAT, BUT I JUST FEEL, I I, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE MCAS STUDY SHOWS THAT THE HEALTH RISK TO THE PORT SIDE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, NATIONAL CITY IS A HOTSPOT. AND IT IS DOMINATED BY RAIL RELATED DIESEL EXHAUST, NOT TRUCKS. UM, WHICH IS WHY ADDING MORE TRAINS IS PROBLEMATIC. I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, NAVY PERSONNEL. UH, WE SIT WITH, UM, THE, UH, NAVAL BASE FOLKS FROM THE NAVAL BASE OF, UH, SAN DIEGO. AND EVERY SINGLE MONTH WE HEAR ABOUT THEIR EFFORTS TO TRY [05:45:01] AND MINIMIZE THE IMPACT FOR, UM, TRAFFIC ON, UH, HARBOR DRIVE. AND ON THE TWO, UM, THE, THE, THE, UH, GATES THAT ALLOWS NAVY PERSONNEL TO ACCESS THE BASE. UM, THESE FOLKS ARE FIGHTING FOR SECONDS TO BE ABLE TO BEAT THE LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, OR BEAT THE, THE, THE TROLLEY. THE TROLLEY IS A PROBLEM FOR THEM. SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING IMPACT ON CIVIC CENTER ROAD WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE TRAINS NOW FROM BNSF ADDITIONAL TRAINS, UM, THAT WILL BE IMPACTING THE PERSONNEL TRYING TO GET ONTO BASE. SO THAT'S A PROBLEM. I WANTED TO MENTION THAT BECAUSE I GOT AN EMAIL FROM THE NAVY THIS AFTERNOON SPECIFICALLY ASKING, YOU KNOW, LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THIS WILL BE IMPACTFUL. UM, I HAVE A TON OF NOTES ON HERE ON PUBLIC HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT EVERYTHING. JUST A FEW MORE THINGS THAT, UM, DIDN'T QUITE GET MENTIONED. UM, THE, UH, AGAIN, THE US NAVY WARNS THE PROJECT WILL LENGTHEN THE TRAINS AND SNARL THE GATE ACCESS RESIDENTS ALREADY SUFFER BLOCKED CROSSINGS AND TRAIN HORN NOISE. THIS PROJECT WOULD MAKE ALL OF THAT WORSE. OH, THE THIS POINT HASN'T BEEN MADE TONIGHT. THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONFLICT WITH WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IN, UM, WITH THE WEST SIDE SPECIFIC PLAN, I'M SORRY, WITH THE BALANCED PLAN THAT IS WITHIN THIS AREA HERE. OUR CITY IS INVESTING IN A MODERN WATERFRONT VISION. IT HAS TAKEN 20 YEARS. UH, WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE THE PORT'S BALANCE PLAN WILL EXPAND PEPPER PARK. WE ARE AT THAT POINT, IT REALIGNS THE STREETS, UNLOCKS PARCELS FOR NEW HOTEL DEVELOPMENT AND VISITOR SERVING SPACE. THE CITY PLANS TO RELEASE AN RFP TO HAVE, UM, BAY MARINA DRIVE, UM, A TRACK HOTEL DEVELOPERS, UH, GAIN THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY, TURN THIS BLIGHTED AREA INTO A TOURIST COMMERCIAL, AND BRING FOLKS TO A GOOD PLACE HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. THE RAIL EXPANSION PROJECT THAT INCREASES FREIGHT AND DIESEL TRAFFIC IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THIS REVITALIZATION AND IT WOULD DISCOURAGE PRIVATE INVESTMENT. UM, SO IN CLOSING, THIS VOTE IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US TODAY. NATIONAL CITY SHOWED UP TODAY, AND THEY HAVE TOLD US, THEY HAVE TOLD US THE DECISION MAKERS HERE, THAT THEY DO NOT WANT THIS PROJECT. AND ALTHOUGH THIS PROJECT WOULD LIKELY BENEFIT THE REGION, THE NET BENEFIT TO THE REGION WOULD BE TO THE REGION, BUT NOT TO NATIONAL CITY. YET AGAIN, THE WEST SIDE OF NATIONAL CITY WOULD BEAR THE BRUNT YET AGAIN, AFTER DECADES AND DECADES OF DOING SO. YET AGAIN, NATIONAL CITY WOULD BEAR THE BRUNT AGAIN FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. AND BUSH, YOU SAID, LET'S NOT BE HYPOCRITICAL HERE. I HAVE HEARD YOU AND THE MAYOR SAY OVER AND OVER ENOUGH, ENOUGH OF NATIONAL CITY BEARING THIS BRUNT. SO I AM ASKING YOU THIS, IS THAT DECISION ENOUGH? I, I APPRECIATE THAT, UH, LOU, SO NO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HEARTFELT COMMENTS AND FOR DEFENDING THE COMMUNITY. I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT LET ME ASK YOU, SO IF IT GOT TO NET ZERO, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU SUPPORT? IF WE COULD DO, YES. LET ME TELL YOU THIS. LEMME TELL YOU THIS. MY PROBLEM HERE IS THE RAIL. AND THERE IS A PLAN, THE, I BELIEVE IT'S THE PORT'S MCAS THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES HOW TO GET RAIL, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS TIER ZERO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR TIER ONE TO SOMETHING CALLED TIER FOUR. SO IF THE RAIL GOT TO TIER FOUR, WHICH APPARENTLY RIGHT NOW IS IMPOSSIBLE, IF IT GOT TO TIER FOUR, YES, I WOULD VOTE YES ON THIS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU CUP. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH. I'M GONNA, COUPLE OF THINGS, UH, GET IN ON THIS DEAL. YOU KNOW, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S KIND OF BEEN PRESENTED. AND SOME OF IT IS BASED ON FACTS. SOME OF IT'S BASED ON FEARS. AND I MEAN, IT'S EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. UM, THE AND AND FEARS ARE, OR FEARS ARE LEGITIMATE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FEARS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT, NOT NECESSARILY SAYING SOMETHING NEGATIVE. UH, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE CONCERN HAS BEEN, WELL, WHAT ABOUT IF THERE'S A FIRE? WHAT ABOUT IF THERE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE POLLUTANTS THAT WOULD COME OFF OF THAT AND EVERYTHING. OKAY, WAIT, WAIT, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I ASKED YOU TO STOP? OKAY, THANK YOU. NOW THEN, [05:50:01] YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT A FIRE MIGHT HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT CAN BE A LEGITIMATE FEAR THAT SOMETHING MIGHT HAPPEN, YOU KNOW? AND THE DEAL IS EVERYTHING THAT COMES BEFORE US HAS A RISK. SOME RISK ARE CLOSE TO ZERO. OTHERS CL UH, SCALE TO A HUNDRED, SOME OF 'EM ARE CLOSE TO A HUNDRED. AND ALL, MOST EVERYTHING IS SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN. EVERY PROJECT HAS A LEVEL OF RISK. AND, AND WE HAVE TO WEIGH OUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE REALM OF RISK, AND, YOU KNOW, AND TAKE A, YOU KNOW, AS, AS OBJECTIVE A LOOK AS WE CAN ON THAT. SO AS WE LOOK AT THAT AND WE SAY, OKAY, IF THERE WAS, IF SOMETHING WAS TO HAPPEN, GOD FORBID SOMETHING WAS TO HAPPEN OUTSIDE CHANCE OF IT. BUT IF IT DID HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, AND IT MIGHT TAKE HOURS TO GET THAT PUT OUT. AND IN THE MEANTIME, YOU'RE GONNA BE HAVING POLLUTANTS COMING OFF OF THAT GOING EASTWARD ACROSS NATIONAL CITY. AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT CAN HAPPEN. AND AS, AS WAS STATED, YOU KNOW, WHEN THOSE TRUCKS LEAVE THEIR FACILITY, THEY'RE NO LONGER RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. AND, AND THEY, AND IT'S IN, UH, COULD BE INDEPENDENT TRUCKS. AND SO THEY WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE ON 'EM EITHER. SO WHO KNOWS WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN. SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN. AND SO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. AND SO THAT GOES INTO YOUR POSSIBILITY DEAL AS FAR AS THE RISK AND HOW PROBABLE IS IT AS OPPOSED TO POSSIBLE. 'CAUSE WE KNOW ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE. THE QUESTION IS THE PROBABILITY. WELL, HOW ABOUT IF YOU TAKE THAT EXACT SAME SCENARIO AND SAY THAT YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S IN THAT SAME AREA THAT COULD ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM AND THEY DON'T, UH, DEAL WITH ANY VEHICLES THAT LEAVE THEIR THEIR SITE AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OVERSIGHT OF THE MAINTENANCE. AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO ONE OF THOSE VEHICLES, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PUTTING, PUTTING IT OUT IN AN HOUR OR SO. IT MIGHT BE DAYS OR IT MIGHT BE WEEKS. AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO, AND IT WOULD NOT ONLY BE SOMETHING BE POLLUTING IF SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DEADLY. NOW YOU WOULD THINK, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, THAT PROBABILITY AND THE RISK IS INCREASED. WELL, THAT'S HAPPENING JUST A COUPLE BLOCKS FROM THIS ONE. THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE'S ANOTHER FACILITY THAT'S GOING IN THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAY SO ON. THAT'S REASON I CAN TALK ABOUT IT IS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY SAY SO ON THAT ONE. THAT ONE'S GOING TO GO IN JUST A COUPLE, COUPLE BLOCKS. IF THE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR WAY WITH THIS. AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE SEEING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY WITH THE LITHIUM FIRES, AND NOW WE'RE GONNA PUT A HUGE LITHIUM MOBILE POWER, UH, POWER BANKS GOING IN THERE KNOWN AS 18 WHEELERS. 18 WHEELER IS INCREASED BY ONE THIRD IN WEIGHT JUST WITH THE NUMBER OF BATTERIES, LITHIUM BATTERIES, ANY ACCIDENT, ANY, UH, MALFUNCTION, ANY ELECTRICAL ISSUE. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE TO DO TWO THINGS. WE HAVE TO CLOSE DOWN INTERSTATE FIVE. WE START, HAVE TO START EVACUATING THE CITY. AND YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PUT THAT THING OUT FOR A MINIMUM OF DAYS, MUCH LESS MAYBE WEEKS THAT'S GOING IN. BUT YOU'RE NOT BEING TOLD ABOUT THAT, ARE YOU? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS THE ISSUE YOU'RE BEING TOLD ABOUT, AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN BEING TOLD ABOUT THAT ISSUE. IT IS MUCH BIGGER THAN THIS ONE, ALL BECAUSE IT'S ELECTRIC. AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING ELECTRIC, UH, UH, SITUATION. WE ALL, WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT ELECTRIFICATION, BUT DO YOU PUT IT DIRECTLY UPWIND FROM THE DENSE CITY IN THE AREA? IF WE, IF YOU PUT THAT SAME PROPOSAL ON WEST CHULA VISTA, CHULA VISTA WOULD'VE A FIT. 'CAUSE THEY'D WOULDN'T WANNA BE DOWNWIND FOR, IF YOU PUT IT AT 10TH AVENUE TERMINAL, DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO WOULD'VE A FIT BECAUSE OF WHAT IT COULD DO TO DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO. BUT THAT ONE'S GOING IN AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN BEING TOLD ABOUT IT. AND SO WE HEAR ABOUT THE $200,000, $200,000 IS NOTHING, I'M SORRY, IN THE REALITY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WE WOULD PROBABLY BE SPENDING MORE IN SERVICES TO A BUSINESS THAN 200,000. SO WE DON'T, YOU DON'T MAKE ANYTHING OFF OF THAT. BUT TO SOME ORGANIZATIONS, $200,000 A LOT, IF THEY GET PAID TO PROMOTE AND TURN THEIR EYES ON A POTENTIAL HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL SITUATION, AND IF THEY'RE PAID TO GO AND PROMOTE THAT ONE, WHICH IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. SO ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT OR NOT? YES, WE ARE. OKAY. 'CAUSE YOU'RE RAMBLING ONTO SEVEN DIFFERENT THINGS. IT'S MIDNIGHT. I WOULD PLEASE ASK TO JUST TRY TO STAY ON TOPIC. YOU NEVER LIKE ME TALKING? WELL, NO, BECAUSE YOU RAMBLE ON FOREVER. IT'S ALREADY MIDNIGHT. LET'S PAUSE. GET TO THE TOPIC. ALRIGHT, NOW THEN. SO, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT EVERYTHING WE DEAL WITH, THE IDEA OF POSSIBILITIES, [05:55:01] WE DEAL WITH PROBABILITIES. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ON THESE THINGS. AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT 'EM, AND AS I SAY, NO ONE HAS FOUGHT, AND I'LL AGREE WITH, UH, REMEMBER MOLINA, I HAVE FOUGHT LIKE CRAZY ABOUT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT, THAT THEY'VE TRIED TO PUT IN OUR CITY. AND SOME OF THE STUFF SOUNDS GOOD. THE ELECTRIFICATION THING SOUNDS GOOD, IT'S JUST IN THE WRONG PLACE. AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT ONE IS WAY MORE DANGEROUS THAN THIS ONE COULD EVER BE. AND, UH, BUT YOU'RE NOT HEARING ABOUT IT BASICALLY. 'CAUSE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COALITION IS GETTING PAID TO HELP PROMOTE THAT PROJECT. SO YEP. THERE'S THERE'S A REALITY. YES. YEP. SO ANYWAY, PLEASE GET TO THE POINT, MARY, YOU'RE JUST RAMBLING ON NOW. NOW , OKAY, PLEASE. OKAY, COME ON. I KNOW I, ALRIGHT, THE, UH, MAYOR, SO ANYWAY, OKAY. OKAY. SO WE DON'T GET PAID. OKAY. AND IN, IN, IN THE SAME WAY. IN THE SAME WAY. I, OKAY, IF YOU, YOU WANT ANOTHER POINT ON THAT ONE? IS THAT A, A LOT OF IT, WE, WE DON'T WANT THE DIESEL TRUCKS, RIGHT? AND, AND YOU KNOW WHY WE GOT A LOT OF THE DIESEL TRUCKS DOWN HERE. THEY CAME FROM BARRIO LOGAN, A DEAL CUT BETWEEN THE PORT AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COALITION TO BRING 'EM DOWN HERE SO YOU COULD SAVE BARRIO LOGAN. AND THAT WAS DONE. THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP WITH THE TRUCKS DOWN HERE. OKAY? SO I'M SAYING ALL THAT TO SAY THIS, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT FULL PICTURES AND NOT JUST WHAT WE'RE TOLD AND GET, GET ALL EXCITED UP. UM, YOU KNOW, DO I LIKE THE IDEA OF THIS PROJECT? WOULD I RATHER IT BE SOMEWHERE ELSE? YEAH, I WOULD BE HONEST WITH YOU. I MEAN, I WOULD RATHER IT BE, IF SOMEONE MENTIONED CARLSBAD, IF YOU GO INTO CARLSBAD, I'D MUCH RATHER IT BE IN CARLSBAD. UH, THE QUESTION IS, IS IT GOING TO GO THERE? AND AS FAR AS FACILITIES THEY HAVE, NO, IT'S NOT. UH, SO WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE MAKE IF WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING TO WORK OUT THAT WILL HELP THE ENVIRONMENT INSTEAD OF DOING JUST THE EXACT OPPOSITE. AND, AND LOOK ON THE MERITS, BUSINESSES HAVE THE, THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE RIGHT TO PRESENT A PROJECT. THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. THEY'VE BEEN VERY DELIBERATE ABOUT IT AND WE'VE LISTENED AND NO ONE HAS MADE ANY COMMITMENTS TO THEM ANY WAY, SHAPE, FASHION OR FORM, OR AT LEAST NOT THAT I'M, I'M AWARE OF. AND EITHER FOR OR AGAINST. 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO LISTEN AND WE HAVE TO BE JUDICIAL ABOUT IT AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE FACTS SAY AND NOT JUST THE EMOTIONS. AND GIVE ANY BUSINESS, ANY, ANYONE WHO MAKES A PROPOSAL, GIVE THEM A FAIR SHAKE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE TONIGHT. AND TAKE SOME OF THE EMOTIONS OUT OF IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. REALIZE WE ALL ARE GONNA, WE'VE ALL BROUGHT IN THE THINGS THAT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THINGS FROM THE PAST. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS FROM THE PAST ON BOTH SIDES THAT HAVE CAUSED THE PROBLEMS HERE IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND, BUT WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO GET TO THE FUTURE AND NOT JUST LIVE WITH THE PAST. REMEMBER IMANI? THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE, UH, THE, UM, COMMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES. UM, ALL I'M SAYING IS NOT A PERFECT PROJECT. YOU KNOW, WE ALL, UH, WE'VE SEEN IT AS A DE NOBLE PROJECT ON OUR EYES. YES, THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM, FROM, UM, PLANNING, BUT THIS IS AN APPEAL TO US. SO WE LOOK AT IT ON A ZERO BASE. SO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY IS THAT PROPERTY, UM, BEFORE, YOU KNOW, I LEARNED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. I WENT AROUND THERE, IT'S A BLIGHT, IT'S A BLIGHTED AREA. YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M SURE TOXICITY HAS BEEN THERE FOR GENERATIONS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NOTHING HAPPENED TO IT. NOW THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS HAPPENING, WE MUST MAKE THE BEST OUT OF THE SITUATION AND COMPROMISE BECAUSE IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO COMPROMISE AND WORK WITH THEM, BNSF WILL PUT IT THROUGH OUR THROATS AND WE WILL NOT HAVE ANY SAY ABOUT IT. CAN YOU PLEASE KEEP, KEEP QUIET, OFFICER, CAN YOU PLEASE LET THAT PERSON OUT? THANK YOU. SO, UM, SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE GOTTA MAKE THE BEST OUT OF WHAT WE GOT, WHAT WE'RE FACING RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? UM, BECAUSE IF WE ARE NOT AT THE TABLE TO WORK WITH THEM AND COMPROMISE WITH THEM, THESE THINGS WILL, WILL, WILL GO THROUGH AND THROUGH. JUST LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, I'M, I'M THREE YEARS IN OFFICE AND YOU SAID THAT THIS HAS BEEN THERE. I READ PAPERWORK. IT'S BEEN THIS WAY FOR GENERATIONS. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE AT THE TABLE AND WORK WITH THEM. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING TO MY COLLEAGUES. THANK YOU, [06:00:01] MR. MAYOR. MR. MAYOR. OKAY. YES. UM, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI, I, I HEAR YOUR CONCERNS, BUT I DO WANNA SAY TO THE COMMUNITY, DON'T GET SOME OF THE STATEMENTS BY THE MAYOR TWISTED . ULTIMATELY, THIS PROJECT PROPOSAL IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH AB 617, WHICH IS OUR PORTSIDE COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH ACTUALLY PLANS TO DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF DIESEL POWER TRUCKS WITHIN OUR PORT, WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. THAT IS WHAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN DOING THE WORK FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. AND YEAH, IT'S FINE TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, BRING UP OTHER PROJECTS AND, YOU KNOW, STUMBLE ALONG FOR 45 MINUTES, GUYS. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. SO WITH THAT SAID, I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE PROJECT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT FOLLOW AB SIX 17. WE HAVE A MOTION. I SECOND AND WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. I'LL MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROJECT WITH CONDITIONS TO BRING THE PROJECT TO, UH, NET ZERO TO NET ZERO EMISSIONS AND LOOKING AT WHAT CONDITIONS WE CAN A HAVE. SO I'M LOOKING AT ZERO EMISSION TRUCKS. I'M, I'M, I'M OPEN TO WHAT MY, MY COLLEAGUES THINK. BUT, UM, BUT YEAH, I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROJECT. BUT, BUT WITH, UH, THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH SOME CONDITIONS ON, UH, ON HAVING THIS BE ZERO, HAVING THE FIELDS BE DELIVERED, UH, FOR, WITH, UH, ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES, MR. FOR MAYOR. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY, COOL. AND I LIKE THAT COMPROMISE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE I WOULD RATHER HAVE THIS COMPROMISE AND WORK WITH YOU'RE MIKE, SORRY, I, I I SECOND THAT MOTION BIAS. I, I LIKE THAT COMPROMISE. UM, I WOULD RATHER SEE US, UM, BE IN A, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WORK WITH THIS DEVELOPER THAN NOT HAVE A SAY AT ALL. I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE CONDITIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, COME BACK TO US AND JUST LIKE WHAT THE DEVELOPER SAID, IF THERE ARE CONDITIONS, WE WILL MEET THEM. AND I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THOSE CONDITIONS MIGHT BE. 'CAUSE I HAVE SOME IDEAS BEYOND THE ZERO EMISSION TRUCK. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK THE, THE APPLICANTS CAN ALSO LOOK AT, UM, IN THE SERP IT IDENTIFIES TREE PLANTINGS, IT IDENTIFIES AIR FILTERS. UM, WE DO NEED ADDITIONAL AIR MONITORS. SO I WANNA LOOK AT ALL THE WAYS THAT WE CAN GO BEYOND, UH, WHAT WE ARE, ARE CURRENTLY DOING. BUT AGAIN, IF OUR ISSUE, AND THEN JUST SAY THIS TO, UH, MY COLLEAGUES, BUT I UNDER, I UNDERSTAND, LIKE I RESPECT THE, UM, COUNCILMAN RODRIGUEZ AND COUNCILMAN LU MOLINA ON, ON THE NO VOTES. I, I TOTALLY RESPECT THAT. I RESPECT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY WANTING TO OPPOSE THIS. I WANT TO GET TO ZERO EMISSIONS AND IF, UH, MY ISSUE IS THE POLLUTION. SO IF THERE'S WAYS WE CAN BRING THIS POLLUTION, ELIMINATE IT, AND BRING IT TO NET ZERO AND ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY, I WANT TO, I WANT TO EXPLORE THAT. OKAY. IF I COULD ASK FOR CLARIFICATION. MAY I'M SORRY. JUST GO AHEAD, MR. OKAY, I WANNA ASK FOR CLARIFICATION. YOU'RE SAYING A HUNDRED PERCENT ZERO EMISSIONS, BUT WE KNOW THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE RIGHT NOW. I WANT TO EXPLORE IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, WHAT THE, WHAT THE PHASE, WHAT THE PHASE IS. WELL, YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME TYPE OF PHASING THAT YES, BECAUSE YEAH, 'CAUSE I'M SAYING IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. I, WELL, WE, WE SAY IT'S NOT POSSIBLE, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, BUT I DON'T AGREE THAT IT IS PO I DON'T AGREE THAT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE NECESSARILY. I WANT TO SEE WHY THAT, THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR THE BRINGING THESE ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES. AND I'M OPEN TO A PHASING, BUT I WANT THAT EXPLORED AND, AND, AND BROUGHT BACK ALL THE CONDITIONS. SO, SO I WANT TO OKAY. LOOK AND HAVE THIS BROUGHT BACK BY STAFF. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING, OKAY. SO WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAYING IS SOME CONDITIONS TO, TO HOW, HOW TO GET IT TO, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT ZERO EMISSIONS. YES. AND, UM, YES. AND THAT INCLUDES THE TRAIN. THE TRAIN AS WELL. I'M INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT THE TRAIN EMISSIONS AS WELL. YES. SO IF IT, SO IF IT DOESN'T GET TO ZERO, THEN WHAT I, SO WELL, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THAT. LET'S LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT'S POSSIBLE, RIGHT? OKAY. BUT, SO IF IT, OKAY, I, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. LET'S LOOK AT IT AND I'M SAYING, OKAY, LET'S LOOK AT IT. AND THEN IF IT GETS TO NO, WE CAN'T MAKE IT TO ZERO, THEN WHAT? SO IF IT'S CLOSE, AND IF WE CAN DO OTHER THINGS LIKE CLEANING UP THE, IF WE CAN DO CLEANING UP THE AIR VIA THE, IF WE CAN HAVE AIR FILTERS RIGHT NOW, IF WE CAN HAVE TREE PLANTINGS, THERE'S MULTIPLE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. YES. SO LET ME SAY THIS. SO IN THE SERP IT ACTUALLY IDENTIFIES TREE PLANTINGS TREES ACTUALLY CLEAN THE, AND ATTACH THE, TO THE DIESEL PARTICULATE [06:05:01] MATTER. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD EXPLORE. AND THAT'S, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE FACTS. SO IT'S, IT'S A FACT THAT THAT TREES HELP CLEAN OUR AIR. IT'S A FACT THAT CALTRANS IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR A LOT OF THE DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER RIGHT NOW. SO I'D ALSO BE INTERESTED IN WHAT WE CAN DO, UH, AS A, AS A CATALYST TO LOOK AT HOW WE ADDRESS THE DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER FROM THE FREEWAY RIGHT NOW. SO THAT I'M LOOK, TRYING TO LOOK AT WAYS HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY IMPROVE AND, UH, THE AIR QUALITY AND, AND MOVE FORWARD TOWARDS OUR MEETING. OUR CIRCLES, OUR CIRCLE IS 80% EMISSION REDUCTION. AND I THINK PART OF THIS PROJECT WE CAN, WE CAN GET THERE. SO LET ME ASK YOU, VICE MAYOR, OUR CIRCLE IS 80% REDUCTION, IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID? THAT'S WHAT THE CIRCLE IS. 80% REDUCTION. YEAH. FOR WHO? FOR, FOR THE, FOR NATIONAL CITY. FOR THE ENTIRE REGION. FOR THE PORT. FOR THE PORT? NO, FOR THE PORT SIDE COMMUNITIES. WE'RE TALKING JUST ABOUT THE PORT SIDE COMMUNITIES. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, SO DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE WEST SIDE, FOR OTNC? YES, IT DOES. 80% REDUCTION IN, IN WHAT WE CREATE, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT'S COMING FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. YEAH. UM, WAIT, WHAT? WELL, IN OTHER WORDS, SHE, SHE'S ASKING ABOUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REGIONAL OR WHATEVER ELSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, JUST WHAT'S CREATED WITH IT, WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN NASHVILLE CITY. YES. SO I'M, I'M SO AB 6 1 7 COVERS THE PORT SIDE COMMUNITIES. WHAT THE SERVE CALLS FOR IS AN 80% REDUCTION IN THOSE, IN THOSE PORT SIDE COMMUNITIES. AND SO THAT'S NOT ALL OF NATIONAL CITY. THAT'S THE WEST SIDE OF, OF NATIONAL CITY, OTNC. SO I WANT TO SEE 80% REDUCTION IN OUR EMISSIONS. UH, PART WHAT THE AIR QUALITY ANALYSIS, UH, WHAT THE CONCLUSION IN OUR AIR QUALITY ANALYSIS IN THE EIR IS THAT IT'S THAT, UH, 75% REDUCTION COMES FROM THE REPLACEMENT OF THESE TRUCK TRIPS TO RAIL 75%. THAT'S WHAT THE EIR STATES. SO I WANT TO EXPLORE HOW WE CAN GET THAT TO, UH, PARTICULARLY THIS PROJECT ON THE DIESEL PARTICULARLY MATTER TO, TO ZERO HOW WE MITIGATE THAT COMPLETELY, MR. MAYOR, MR. MAYOR. OKAY, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. I'M START DOWN THE END. I MEAN, I, I HEAR YOU, MARCUS. THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THOUGH IN THAT YOU KEEP MENTIONING ABOUT THE EIR, BUT IT'S CLEAR THE EIR LOOKS AT THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE, BUT IT DOES NOT LOOK AT SPECIFIC NATIONAL CITY. SO I ASKED THE QUESTION, HOW MANY OF THOSE TRUCKS PASS THROUGH NATIONAL CITY? NOW THERE'S NO CLEAR ANSWER. IT COULD BE FIVE, IT COULD BE 10. HOW MANY ARE PASSING RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW? BUT, BUT THAT'S, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROJECT. IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH THE PROJECT BECAUSE UNDER THE PROPOSAL, THE MISSION OF CAL TRENDS, IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH THE PROJECT BECAUSE UNDER THE PROPOSAL, WE WOULD HAVE 140 EXTRA TRIPS HERE ON THE WEST SIDE. SO YES, IT IS PERTINENT. SO IF, IF YOU ARE EXPLORING SOMETHING, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER SOMETHING FOCUSED WITHIN NATIONAL CITY BECAUSE THE EMISSIONS WOULD INEV WOULDN'T HAVE, WOULD INEVITABLY BE WITHIN NATIONAL CITY. YES. THAT'S, I MEAN, BUT YOU KEEP MENTIONING THE EIR BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DIFFERENTIATE, RIGHT? YEAH. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE REGIONAL CLEANER AIR. I AGREE, BUT WE SHOULD NOT BEAR THE BRUNT OF THAT. I, I AGREE. BUT THAT'S, BUT THE SERP IS LOCALIZED, SO THAT'S WHY I KEEP BRINGING UP THE ERP. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. AND THE S IS JUST NA AND THE SERP IS JUST THE WEST SIDE OF NATIONAL CITY. SO I'M FINE LOOKING TO YOUR POINT. YES, I'M FINE WITH JUST LOOKING AT NATIONAL CITY EMISSIONS. YES. ADDITIONALLY, IT IS PART OF THE ISSUES WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT I MENTIONED EARLIER, POTENTIAL DERAILMENTS, WHO CLEANS THAT UP? WHO'S IN CHARGE OF IT? WHO PAYS FOR IT? WHAT ABOUT ANY ADDITIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS? THE, THE APPLICANT, I MEAN, THOSE, THOSE WERE ADDRESSED IN THE, WHAT THEY WEREN ADDRESSED. IT WASN'T INCREDIBLY CLEAR WHEN WE ASKED THEM WHO WOULD ACTUALLY PAY FOR ANY OF AND OFF IT WAS THE RAILROAD, THE THIRD PARTY COMPANY. RIGHT? SO, SO SINCE WE DON'T HAVE VERY MANY, UH, OF THESE TRUCKS PASSING THROUGH NATIONAL CITY NOW, AND WE WOULD CONSTANTLY, WE DO, WE HAVE A LOT. YEAH, WE ALREADY DO THOUGH. OKAY. HAVE A, WE HAVE MANY TRUCKS RIGHT NOW COMING THROUGH NATIONAL CITY. WE DO HAVE MANY TRUCKS, BUT NOT, WE DO THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY DRIVING THROUGH NATIONAL CITY TO AGREE, DELIVER THE GAS. WE WOULD ADD MORE. AND I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. YES, I AGREE. AND SO INEVITABLY IN DOING SO, OUR EXPOSURE TO ANY POTENTIAL RISKS ARE GREATER. YES. OKAY. SO IF WE'RE USING LOWER EMISSION VEHICLES, IF WE'RE LOSING USING LOWER OR ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES, THEN WE MITIGATE FOR THAT AND THAT IMPROVES OUR QUALITY. BUT I GUESS, I GUESS YOU'RE NOT, WHAT HAPPENED IN EL CAJON LAST YEAR? MM-HMM . IS SOMETHING THAT TOOK MANY, MANY MONTHS THAT THAT'S A RISK TO DEAL. I ACKNOW THAT TO DEAL WITH AND WHO PAID FOR THAT? AND, AND, AND WHAT ABOUT ANY SECONDARY IMPACTS TO INDIVIDUALS, RESIDENCIES TO PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE ABSOLUTELY. TO ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT PEOPLE FEEL LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ABSOLUTELY. ALL OF THOSE ARE VERY SERIOUS ISSUES THAT THE PROPONENT DID NOT EVEN ADDRESS AND JUST KIND OF SAID, WELL, THE THIRD PARTY COMPANY'S IN CHARGE OF THAT. THOSE ARE CONCERNS AS WELL, IS WHAT I'M SAYING? AGREE. IT'S NOT JUST THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED. IT IS THE ENTIRETY OF [06:10:01] THE PROPOSAL. THAT IS A PROBLEM. I AGREE, CHAIR. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND, AND THIS IS WHY I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE AT THE TABLE AND MAKE THESE COMPROMISES WITH THE DEVELOPER. OTHERWISE, WE WILL HAVE NO SAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THIS DEVELOPER AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL THESE CONCERNS, THEIR CONCERNS, OUR CONCERNS ARE MET, ARE ADDRESSED. SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS, THIS, UM, INSIGNIFICANT THINGS OR, OR, OR THIS, THIS THINGS THAT WERE OVERLOOKED BEFORE FOR GENERATIONS AND GENERATIONS BECAUSE IT WAS ALLOWED HERE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT ALLOW TO BE, TO BE AT THE TABLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THAT. WITH THAT WHOEVER WAS DEVELOPING A PROJECT, WE ELIMINATED THE CITY FOR HAVING A CONVERSATION AND HAVING TO COMPROMISE THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED OUR CITY TO HAVE. SO I AM ASKING YOU, LET US HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER AND ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE BEING RAISED HERE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE, IF WE KILL THIS, GUESS WHAT? WE WON'T HAVE A SAY LATER ON. IT'S EITHER WE ARE THERE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR BUSINESS RIGHT NOW OR WE WILL NOT HAVE A SAY THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, I I WILL SAY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, NO, THANK YOU. AND I, I APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, WILLINGNESS TO, UH, COMPROMISE. I, UH, NO MATTER, AND I'VE HEARD, UH, BNSF OR REPRESENTATIVES, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S BNSF OR WHO, WHO, WHETHER IT'S THE APPLICANTS, BUT, UM, STATING THAT IF WE, IF DON'T APPROVE THIS PROJECT, THEN BNSF WILL COME WITH SOMETHING MORE POLLUTING. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. I DON'T THINK SO. THEY STILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO US WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE PROCESS. SO ANYTHING THAT POLLUTES, THEY HAVE TO, TO COME WITH US. SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY COME, COME UP WITH. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS. YES. BUT, UM, BUT, BUT THIS, BUT FOR ME, THIS PROJECT, IT, IT'S A NET BENEFIT REGIONALLY TO OUR AIR. AND I'M FOCUSED ON NOW HOW DO WE REDUCE THE LOCAL IMPACTS? HOW DO WE NOT JUST REDUCE IT? HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE GET IT TO ZERO? AND HOW DO WE ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE AIR THAT RIGHT NOW IS POLLUTED, BUT RIGHT NOW IS IMPACTING THE COMMUNITY. OKAY? IF, IF, AND I SAY THIS IS ALL IN THE WORLD, WORLD OF IF, IF WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT PUTTING CONDITIONS, AND I, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE TIME TO TRY TO WORK OUT SPECIFIC CONDITIONS, UM, AT, UH, 1235 AT NIGHT. UM, THE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO THAT LEGALLY IS TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM. AND THEN THAT WOULD GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH THE APPLICANT AND SEE WHAT CONDITIONS COULD BE, AND THEN BRING THAT BACK AND SEE IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE OR NOT. AND, UH, IS THE ONLY WAY THAT, THAT CAN BE DONE, THAT THAT, THAT I CAN SEE THAT'S PRACTICAL. AND, UH, SO WELL, WELL, FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE THAT. I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE WHAT CONDITIONS THAT WE CAN PUT TO TRY TO BRING THIS TO NET ZERO OR AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE. SO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF CITY STAFF, IF MARTIN, UM, OUR, OUR PLANNING STAFF HAD ANY, UH, UH, THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT. AND THE GOOD THING IS IT WOULD COME BACK BEFORE A PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE STILL HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS. IT WOULD BE A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING, A CONTINUED, YEAH. AND NO, WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL. SO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT AND, UH, COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS AND BRING 'EM BACK TO YOU AT, AT WHATEVER THAT SUBSEQUENT MEETING'S GONNA BE. OKAY. IF, IF WE, AND I'M JUST THIS, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS THE WORLD OF, IF, IF WE GO AHEAD WITH THAT. DO YOU HAVE, HAVE YOU HEARD ENOUGH TO KIND OF KNOW THE DIRECTION THAT'S BEING ASKED TO, TO EVEN EXPLORE IN YEAH, I, I KNOW WHAT I'VE HEARD, AND I'M SURE WE'LL BE, HAVE PLENTY TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE APPLICANT TOMORROW TO DISCUSS WHAT'S FEASIBLE AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A BREAKING POINT AT ALL. BUT YEAH, WE CAN, I'M, I'M AWARE OF WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING CONTINUE TO A SPECIFIC DATE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, OKAY, SO RIGHT CURRENTLY YOU HAVE THE, THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. SO THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU IF YOU, BECAUSE YOU, YOU HAVE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR, THE MOTION, BUT WHAT ARE YOU ASKING? BUT WHAT ARE YOU ASKING THAT I, WELL, OKAY, IF YOU WANTED TO CONTINUE THIS, YOU'D HAVE TO AMEND THAT SUBJECT MOTION. YEAH, LET ME, SO YOU MADE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION? YES. WHICH I BELIEVE WAS THAT YOU WANTED TO APPROVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROJECT SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS, INCLUDING GETTING TO ZERO EMISSION. AND THEN THE CONVERSATION WAS WE WANT TO [06:15:01] EXPLORE WHAT THOSE CONDITIONS ARE. OKAY. GOT IT. SO I WOULD HAVE TO, I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES. SO, SO, SO IT'D BE CONTINUE WITH THOSE ITEMS. YOU, YOU, YEAH. THE PROP PROPER MOTION WOULD BE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM OKAY. WITH DIRECTIONS. WE'RE NOT APPROVING IT AT THIS MOMENT. THAT'S CORRECT. NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. I AM AMEND MY MOTION TO NOT APPROVE THE PROJECT, BUT TO CONTINUE THE PROJECT AND HAVE STAFF EXPLORE HOW WE CAN BRING THE PROJECT TO NET ZERO POLLUTION UNDER THE CONDITIONS SECOND. I SECOND THAT. UM, IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON THAT. I, OKAY. I, AND I THINK IT'S BEST SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO REPUBLISH THE, UH, THE NOTICE AND EVERYTHING, THAT IF WE DO IT TO A SPECIFIC DATE, THEN THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT. THIS IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN A COUPLE DAYS. UH, MY SUGGESTION, IT WOULD BE THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER. GIVE TIME TO DO THAT. I'M LOOKING AT CITY STAFF TO, I CAN, WOULD YOU MIND LOOK AT TIMING? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. UH, I WAS, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, TWO MEETINGS FROM NOW. SO THAT WOULD BE, WHICH IS, YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE, IS THAT NOVEMBER 4TH? THAT WOULD BE NOVEMBER 4TH. BUT IT'S, SO THIS, THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APPROVAL OF THE CUP AND THE CDP. THAT'S STILL THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT. AH, WELL THERE'S THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I WILL, I WILL DO THIS. UM, AND JUST FOR THE, FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S TWO ACTIONS BEFORE US. SO THERE'S APPROVAL OF THE EIR, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE STATEMENT OF FACTS. AND THEN THERE, THE SECOND ONE IS THE, UH, UM, APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THE PROJECT ITSELF. SO, AND, AND JUST FYI, JUST BECAUSE WE APPROVE THE EI, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE EIR JUST BECAUSE, UH, I'LL DO THAT LATER THOUGH. I'LL LET THIS, UH, MOTION, UH, FINISH. HERE WE GO. BUT, UM, APPROVAL OF THE EIR DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE ARE APPROVING THE PROJECT. IT JUST MEANS THAT WE ACCEPT THE ANALYSIS AND THE CERTIFICATION AND THE STATEMENT OF FACTS IS ALL. SO JUST FYI FOR THE PUBLIC ON THAT. OKAY. SO DID YOU SAY THE FOURTH OR THE 18TH? I, I REALLY WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE TO GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM TO, WELL, I TALKED TO THE APPLICANT AND, UH, IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE, OF THE COUNCIL, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE FOR THEM, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THIS IS DONE RIGHT, IF IT'S, IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING. YEAH. AND, UH, WELL, CITY MANAGER, YOU ARE GONNA KNOW AS FAR AS TIMING ON ALL THE STUFF WE GOT ON THE PLATE AND ADDING THIS ON THERE. I, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE COMPROMISE WOULD BE NOVEMBER 4TH AND WHAT MR. READER'S SAYING THAT GIVES GIVES HIS TEAM TIME TO ENGAGE, ENGAGE THE APPLICANT. OKAY. TO COME BACK WITH SOME CONDITIONS FOR CONSIDERATION. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU DIDN'T NEED MORE TIME. THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN. AND, UH, AND THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPTION FOR, TO REQUEST ANOTHER CONTINUANCE OF THAT TIME, ALTHOUGH WE'D PROBABLY RATHER NOT DO THAT. BUT, UM, LET ME, YEAH. THE APPLICANT HAS SUGGESTED THAT NOVEMBER 4TH WOULD WORK AND WE'LL BE, WE MAKE THAT A PRIORITY. I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT. NOVEMBER 4TH DATE AND CONTINUING TO THEIR, OKAY, SO THE MOTION IS TO CONTINUE THIS TO NOVEMBER THE FOURTH AND HAVE STAFF WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND TO SEE ON WHAT CONDITIONS CAN BE BROUGHT BACK TO US. AND THAT WAY WE THEN WE MAKE A DECIDE AT THAT POINT UP OR DOWN, YOU KNOW, DOES IT WORK, DOES IT WORK FOR THEM? DOES IT WORK FOR US? AND, UH, AND WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IT AT THAT POINT. YES. IS THAT THAT? YES. OKAY. SO WE, WE, THAT IS THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. WE DO HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. SO LET'S SEE IF WE CAN, OKAY. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED BY FOUR TO ONE VOTE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ VOTING NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT, MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, CARRY OVER THE REMAINING ITEMS. OH, WAIT, CAN WE, CAN WE CERTIFY THE A? WELL, SO LET ME PROCEDURALLY WEIGH IN ON THAT. OKAY. YES, YOU COULD. I MEAN, IT, IT IS A SEPARATE ACTION, UM, HOWEVER, GIVEN THE FACT THAT YOU'VE CONTINUED THE PROJECT YEAH, THAT'S FINE. YEAH, JUST HOLD THAT OVER. OKAY. UM, THE ONLY OTHER ITEM THAT WE HAVE IS THE 1 0 5. THE 1 0 5, UH, MEMBER MOLINA, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HOLD THAT OVER FOR THE NEXT MEETING? YES, THAT'S OKAY. WE HAVE TWO ITEMS, ACTUALLY. WE HAVE THE SANDAG ITEM AS WELL, BUT IT'S OKAY. THAT [06:20:01] ONE'S BEEN PULLED. I WAS PULLED. OKAY, PERFECT. WE PULLED THAT ONE. UH, CAN I, CAN I JUST HOLD MENTION REAL QUICK? YEAH. IS THERE PROBLEMS WITH THE RED LINED 1 0 5? I JUST WANNA APPROVE IT. THE 1 0 5 1. CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT? I BEFORE DISCUSS IT, CAN WE CARRY IT OVER? IS THAT OKAY? YEAH, WE CAN CARRY IT OVER. THANK YOU. I'M FINE CARRYING IT OVER IF THAT'S WHAT'S FOLKS WANT. WE, WE COME, WE CAN DO A CARRY OVER THAT. OKAY. SO, UH, WE [11.1 SANDAG Smart Growth Incentive Program Cycle 6 Capital Project Funding Recommendations – Protest Letter] GO AND WE ANY, UH, STAFF REPORTS? YEAH, I DO, I DO. UH, UNDER CITY MANAGER REPORT, I DO HAVE A STATEMENT I'D LIKE TO READ. OKAY. COULD, COULD, COULD WE BE QUIET AS WE'RE GOING OUT SO THAT WE CAN FINISH OFF THE MEETING? I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR STATEMENT. YES, THAT CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO HERE'S MY STATEMENT. IT'S BECOMING WAY TOO COMMON FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO COME TO THESE MEETINGS AND SPEAK, SPEAK POORLY OF OUR STAFF. YEAH. WHY? BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON AN AGENDA ITEM. IT'S FRUSTRATING, DISHEARTENING, AND INCREDIBLY DISRESPECTFUL. NOW THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK AND A RIGHT TO THEIR OPINION. WELL, TONIGHT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT. I HAVE TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR MY COLLEAGUES IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT. MOST OF THEM COULD HAVE LEFT. I COULD HAVE ASKED, I COULD HAVE EXCUSED THEM 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONTRIBUTION TO THIS ITEM, BUT THEY'RE HERE. I HAVE TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR MY COLLEAGUES IN THE AUDIENCE AND THEIR STAFF. THEY'RE INCREDIBLY PASSIONATE ABOUT THEIR JOBS AND SERVING THIS COMMUNITY. THEY HAVE STRONG VALUES AND INTEGRITY. THEY'RE COURTEOUS AND RESPECTFUL, AND THEY'RE ALL SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS WITHIN THEIR RESPECTIVE FIELDS. NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS SHOULD TAKE COMFORT IN THE FACT THAT THIS TEAM IS TRULY DEDICATED TO ENHANCING SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN THIS COMMUNITY. I'M HONORED TO WORK WITH EACH ONE OF YOU AND I'M VERY PROUD OF OUR TEAM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AND THEY STILL HAVE TO GO HOME, DOWNLOAD AND FORGET ABOUT GOING TO SLEEP FOR AT LEAST A COUPLE HOURS AND, AND WE START WORK AT SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. UH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR STAFF. OKAY. UM, [11.2 Amending City Council Policy No. 105 – Request by Member of the City Council to Place an Item on a City Council Agenda] COULD WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, CONTINUE 11.2 TO THE NEXT MEETING? MOTION TO CONTINUE. 11.2. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, PLEASE VOTE, UH, JUST TO CONTINUE THAT ITEM OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. WITH THAT THEN, UH, ANY OTHER STAFF REPORTS? OKAY, COUNSEL, ANYTHING? JUST WANTED TO INVITE THE PUBLIC. WE'RE PLANTING TREES WITH TREE. SAN DIEGO. SAN DIEGO FOOTBALL CLUB, NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT OVER EL TOON PARK THIS FRIDAY. 10:00 AM YOU ALL ARE WELCOME. THANK YOU. OKAY. NO FURTHER REPORTING. WE GOOD? I JUST WANNA THANK OUR, UH, ACTING CITY MANAGER, STEVE MANGANELLO FOR YOUR COMMENTS THAT WAS HEARTFELT AND AND MUCH OVERDUE. YEP. SUPER MUCH OVERDUE. THANK YOU. AND I WANNA THANK OUR PREVIOUS ACTING CITY MANAGER, CHIEF OF POLICE, UH, CHIEF HERNANDEZ. THANK YOU FOR FILLING IN THE ROLE FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS THERE TOO. AND, AND I, I THANK OUR STAFF. THANK YOU FOR HANGING ON WITH US. THANK YOU. YEAH, NO, STEVE, THAT, THAT NEEDED TO BE SAID AND THAT CONTINUOUSLY JUST THE AMOUNT OF THE DISRESPECT HERE AND THE DISRESPECT FOR STAFF AND US. THERE IT IS. IT'S NOT NECESSARY. AND, UH, EVEN IN THE AUDIENCE, A LOT OF THE AUDIENCE GOT GOT ROWDY AND DISRESPECTFUL. ALL OF THIS. I KNOW IT'S HEATED AND IT'S PASSIONATE AND WE DON'T AGREE WITH DIFFERENT DECISIONS, BUT LET'S TRY TO KEEP THE RESPECT IN INSTEAD OF THESE, UH, ATTACKS. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL OF US ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION BASED ON THE FACTS. AND WE CAN DISAGREE ABOUT CERTAIN, UH, FACTS, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO GET NASTY. SORRY, NASTY AS HELL IN THIS COUNTRY. SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE OF THAT. SO THANK YOU STEVE. ALRIGHT. UH, WITH THAT, I, UM, THE SAKE OF TIME, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. AND, UH, BUT [14. CITY ATTORNEY REPORT] CITY ATTORNEY DOES, WE HAD ONE, UH, CLOSED SESSION ITEM. UH, IT INVOLVED THE, UH, CITY MANAGER POSITION AND THERE'S NO REPORTABLE ACTION. RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.