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ALRIGHT, SO AS A REMINDER,[1. CALL TO ORDER]
IF WE COULD PLEASE SILENCE ALL, UH, CELL PHONES AND ANY AND ALL OTHER DEVICES IN THE CHAMBER SO WE DON'T ALL OF A SUDDEN GET INTERRUPTED, BUT INTERRUPTED BY DANCE, DANCE MUSIC OR SOMETHING.I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER, UH, LIVE WEBCAST.
THE MEETING MAY BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, AND IF YOU'RE WATCHING VIA ZOOM, UH, VIEWING THE SPANISH VERSION OF THE MEETING, INTERPRETER INSTRUCTIONS WILL APPEAR IN THE CHAT BOX AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN.
FOR THOSE WHO PREFER TO SIT IN THE CHAMBER OR LARGE, UH, CONFERENCE ROOM, NEXT DOOR HEADSET SITES, AH, HEADSETS ARE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE LIVE SPANISH TRANSLATION, PLEASE SEE THE CITY CLERK, UH, TO CHECK OUT A HEADSET.
AND THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY'S WEBSITE INFORMS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.
ONE IN PERSON, UH, IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER BY SUBMITTING ONE OF THESE LITTLE SALMON COLORED, UH, SLIPS RIGHT HERE.
AND GET THOSE OVER TO OUR, OUR CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BY PRE-REGISTERING VIA ZOOM ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
NO LATER IN TWO HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING OR EMAILING NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING.
AND ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND ARE PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IF THEY'RE RECEIVED.
WHEN THE DEADLINE WITH THAT, COULD WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? THANK YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ PRESENT.
COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA PRESENT, VICE MAYOR BUSH.
WILL YOU PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION.
AND MR. BUSH, WOULD YOU LEAD US PLEASE? RIGHT HAND OVER YOUR HEART.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AMERICA.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, THE INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HERE.
GRACIOUS LORD, WE'RE THANKFUL.
ONE MORE TIME TO GATHER IN A DEMOCRATIC ATMOSPHERE.
I ASK, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD JUST BRING SOUND, MIND AND CLARITY TO ALL THE DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
THESE THAT REPRESENT THE CITY, THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE PUT CONFIDENCE, FAITH, AND TRUST TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THIS CITY.
WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THE LOVE THAT YOU PROVIDE FOR THIS CITY.
AND WHETHER ONE RESIDES, WORSHIPS OR WORKS IN THE NINE ONE NINE FIVE OH, WHICH WE CALL NASHVILLE CITY.
I JUST ASK LORD, THAT YOU WOULD JUST BRING TOGETHERNESS.
I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BRING UNITY AND HARMONY AND THAT ALL THE OPTIONS THAT ARE DISCUSSED TODAY, THAT ONCE AGAIN THAT WHAT IS DONE, WHAT IS THOUGHT OF AND WHAT IS ACCOMPLISHED WOULD BENEFIT ALL WHO PARTAKE OF THAT.
BUT THANK YOU LORD FOR OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND THE CHIEF AND ALL THAT WATCH OVER THE CITY, BUT THANKFUL LORD FOR US THAT WORK HERE IN THE CITY, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO CALLED US, UH, NOT JUST A JOB, BUT A HEARTFELT COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY.
WE'RE GRATEFUL AND THANKFUL, LORD, IT'S ONE MORE DAY WE CAN COME TOGETHER AND WORK THINGS OUT.
AND WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, LAST PERSON LEAVES THIS BUILDING.
WE KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN A GOOD EVENING AND THE PEOPLE ARE WELL TAKEN CARE OF.
CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? OKAY.
UH, PASTOR EDDIE DUIS, UH, PRESIDENT NATIONAL CITY CLERGY ASSOCIATION.
[5. PUBLIC COMMENT]
INTO PUBLIC COMMENT.WE'LL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THESE ARE ON ITEMS OR MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA.
UM, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS NOT TOO BAD TONIGHT.
AND SO WE'LL GIVE YOU, EVERYONE WILL BE GETTING, UH, TWO MINUTES.
AND, UH, AND IF FOR SOME REASON WE DO GO BEYOND, WE GO UP TO 30 MINUTES, WE DO HOLD ANY OF THOSE SPEAKERS UNTIL THE VERY END OF THE AGENDA.
UM, WITH THAT, WE WILL, UH, FIRST OF ALL GO WITH, UH, CESAR JAVIER TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, PURITA JAVIER AND TO BE FOLLOWED THEN BY PAUL WAKI.
PLEASE, YOUR HONOR, MAY I HAVE MY WIFE? THAT'S, THAT'LL BE FINE.
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I AMARTISTS CAN BE EXPOSED TO MANY HAZARDS, INCLUDING METALS SUCH AS LEAD FIBROGEN SUCH AS SICA,
THEY HAVE, THESE EXPOSURES HAVE BEEN WELL CHARACTERIZED AMONG ARTISTS.
ALTHOUGH LIMITED INFORMATION AVAILABLE FROM COMMERCIAL POTTERIES ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS MAY BE PREVENTED BY USING THE MATERIALS SUCH AS BED FREE PLACED PLACES, IMPROVE VENTILATION.
INFLAMMATION, THE USE OF GLAC.
THIS CAN BE A RISK FOR LEAD TOXICITY.
FOOD SHOULD NOT BE STORED IN GLAC CERA AND PREPARE WOMEN WHO SHOULD AVOID DAILY USE OF CERAMIC MUGS FOR DRINKING HOT BEVERAGES.
OUR CLASSMATES AT SANDAG AND UH, AIR POLLUTION GOVERNING, UH, BOARD.
WE BRAVE OURSELVES TO BRING OUR LESSONS.
AND THAT NUMBER ONE LESSON THAT WE LEARN IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM IS THE AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT IS SO DESIGNED TO PROTECT BUSINESSES.
DO YOU KNOW WHY THE MAYOR GLORIA, CARE OF, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL WORKING COMMITTEE MEMBER ARE THERE TO ENSURE THAT BUSINESSES EMITTING TOXICITY ARE PROTECTED? MEANING DON'T TOUCH IT.
THESE ARE MILKING COW EXCEPT 20 INDUSTRIAL AND MANUFACTURING BUSINESSES IN THE AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT IS ONLY THERE TO PROPAGANDIZE THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AFTER THIS EMISSION VIOLATIONS.
THE DIESEL BUSINESS HERE IN NATIONAL CITY.
WHAT? WHY ONLY NOW THAT IT WAS CITED.
UH, WITH ALL RESPECT, SIR, IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO STEP DOWN FROM THE AIR POLLUTION, BERING BODY AND THANKFUL TO GOD THAT WE DISCOVERED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN OUR ATTENDANCE WITH COUNTY WATER AUTHORITIES, THE SECOND SURVIVAL KEY WATER NEXT TO OXYGEN.
NEXT WE HAVE PAUL WADOWSKI TO BE FOLLOWED BY ALICIA MORRISON TO BE FOLLOWED BY JEFFREY SCHROCK.
MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS STAFF, UM, IN THE, UH, IN THE QUENTIN TARANTINO FILM, UH, IN GLORIOUS BASTARDS, AN OPPORTUNITY
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MATERIALIZES TO END WORLD WAR, WORLD WAR II, WHEN THE GOOD GUYS DISCOVER THAT ALL THE IMPORTANT BAD GUYS WILL BE TOGETHER IN A THEATER FOR A FILM PREMIERE.UH, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT FILM MM-HMM
THE RECENT CLAIM FILED BY JOSIE CLARK'S ATTORNEY IS LIKE THE THEATER JUST MENTIONED, A PLACE WHERE ALL CAN DISCOVER THE TRUTH ABOUT THE BAD GUYS IN THE ROOM.
MIKA LUISA, THERE ARE DISIN INTEGRIS ATTORNEYS AND OF COURSE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE OPENLY POLITICKING FOR THEIR PROJECT.
ALL OF THIS, THIS GROUP AND THEIR BATTY OWNING CLASS BEHAVIOR, THE LAWSUITS, THE RECALL EFFORT, ALL THEATER ARE MEANT TO DISTRACT FROM WHAT THEY'RE REALLY AFTER.
AND IT'S BEEN OBVIOUS FROM THE BEGINNING FOR FOLKS PAYING ATTENTION.
SO THE CLAIM BRINGS THE EVIDENCE, WHICH IS THE DIFFERENCE, UNLIKE THE PHONY LA VISTA CRUSADE AGAINST CORRUPTION.
ALICIA MORRISON TO BE FOLLOWED BY JEFFREY SCHROCK TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, JORGE GARCIA.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO NATIONAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T WANNA TRY TO PRONOUNCE HIS LAST NAME WRONG 'CAUSE I'LL PROBABLY GET IT WRONG.
AND LIEUTENANT VINCE FERNANDO, I CAME HERE TO THIS COUNCIL MEETING WITH A PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN.
AND YOU HEARD ME, CAPTAIN DEREK.
HE REACHED OUT TO ME AND REQUESTED INFORMATION I SUBMITTED, UH, TO BE EMAILED SO THAT HE COULD SHARE IT WITH HIS NIGHT COMMAND.
TWO DAYS LATER I GET A PHONE CALL FROM LIEUTENANT FERNANDO SHARING, UH, THAT HE BRIEFED HIS NIGHT SHIFT OF HIS SAFETY CONCERNS AND DISTURBANCES AFFILIATED WITH A BAR ESTABLISHMENT ON SWEETWATER ROAD.
UH, JEFFREY SCHROCK BE FOLLOWED BY JORGE GARCIA, FOLLOWED BY LILIANA ARMA.
LIKE TO SAY I HAD A GOOD TIME AT OUR WEEKEND VOLUNTEER EVENT AT THE GRANGER MUSIC HALL.
IT WAS FUN DOING SOME LANDSCAPING AND CLEANING UP THE OUTSIDE.
I'M SURE ALL THE NEIGHBORS COULD APPRECIATE IT.
IT WAS FUN BEING OUT THERE AT BRIAN CLAPPER IN THE WINES CLUB AND STUFF.
AND I THINK WE CAN HAVE A LOT OF FUN WITH THAT GRANGER MUSIC HALL CITY EVENTS AND WHATEVER TYPE OF EVENTS WE WANT TO RUN OUT FOR.
I THINK WE'LL HAVE A GOOD TIME WITH THAT.
I THINK WE CAN REALLY, UH, BE PROUD OF THAT.
AND ANYTIME WE CAN SAVE THE CITY MONEY, LET'S DO IT.
THAT'S WHY VOLUNTEERS ARE HERE.
SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT MY RAP SHEET.
OKAY, LET ME, LET ME STATE CLEARLY I'VE MADE SOME MISTAKES IN MY PAST.
I'VE BEEN COMMITTED TO A FELONY.
I DID SOME TIME, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, SAW A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE IN NATIONAL CITY AND UNLIKE THEM, I'VE CHANGED.
I'VE, I'VE, I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TROUBLE FOR MANY YEARS AND I'M NOT GOING BACK TO THAT LIFESTYLE.
I'M A REFORM PERSON, I'M A CHANGE PERSON.
AND NOT MANY GUYS THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE MY PAST CAN SAY THAT THEY ACTUALLY DO VOLUNTEER WORK FOR THE CITY.
AND I'M PROUD OF EVERYBODY I KNOW OF THE CITY.
AND IF PEOPLE WANNA JUDGE ME ON MY PAST, SO BE IT.
BUT I'M HERE TO BE JUDGED ON WHAT I DO FOR THE CITY NOW AND WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING.
AND THAT'S BUSTING MY BUTT DOING HARD WORK.
AND I'M ALWAYS GONNA KEEP DOING THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA JUDGE ME ON MY PAST, SO BE IT.
AND UH, MAYOR, YOU KNOW, WE CAN STILL BE FRIENDS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ABOUT RESPECT.
ALRIGHT, HAVE A GOOD EVENING MEETING EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANKS FOR VOLUNTEERING, JEFFREY.
UH, JORGE GARCIA, FOLLOWED BY LILLIAN ARMENTA, FOLLOWED BY ED NTO.
COUNSEL, I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP TO ATTENTION AGAIN, UM, 'CAUSE IT WAS PASSED ON THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING FOR THE, UH, POLICY 1 0 5 REQUEST TO THE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE SUPPORT FOR UTILITIES THAT YOU PUSHED OUT, MARCUS.
AND IT'S NOT IN TODAY'S AGENDA, SO I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS AND MORE IF YOU CAN BRING THAT BACK OUT IN TODAY'S AGENDA OR EXPLAIN TO THE PEOPLE.
'CAUSE OTHER CITIES LIKE COLORADO, DETROIT, NEW YORK, THEY HAVE A LESS TURNAROUND TIME.
I MEAN, NEW YORK DID IT IN ONE YEAR, I MEAN ONE MONTH.
SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY ARE WE NOT MOVING ONTO THIS? IT'S ALREADY BEEN, I'M SORRY, WHICH ITEM? THE UTILITY BILL.
YEAH, THE ONE THAT YOU JUST PUSHED.
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REQUEST.SO THESE THINGS ARE JUST, ALL WE'RE DOING IS REINVENTING THE WHEEL WHEN THERE'S ALREADY POLICIES IN PLACE.
PEOPLE ARE PAYING HIGHER BILLS EVERY DAY.
LILIANA ARMA, FOLLOWED BY ED NATO.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
AND IF WE REMEMBER BACK IN SEPTEMBER 2ND, 1945, THAT WAS THE END OF WORLD WAR II 80 YEARS AGO.
SO, UM, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO END THE WAR IN NATIONAL CITY? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA KNOW.
I NEED TO SPEAK ON THE MISLEADING AND HURTFUL CLAIMS THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING ON AIR POLLUTION.
LA VISTA MEMORIAL PARK CREMATORY WAS CITED FOR NEARLY THREE TIMES THE LEGAL LIMIT ON PARTICULATE MATTER.
THEY WERE POLLUTING THE VERY COMMUNITY THAT THEY CLAIMED TO PROTECT.
I DID NOT KNOW THAT UNTIL I READ THE LETTER.
AND IT'S REALLY JUST REALLY MIND BLOWING.
UM, YET WE KNOW THAT THEY STOOD HERE BEFORE THE COUNCIL INSISTING THAT THEY WERE HOLDING THEMSELVES TO THE HIGHEST STANDARDS ON TRANSPARENCY.
THERE HAS BEEN NO HONESTY ABOUT EFFORTS TO INTERFERE WITH OR ACQUIRE THE PROJECT PROPERTY.
INSTEAD OF BEING UPFRONT, THERE WERE BACKDOOR PRESSURES AND HIDDEN AGENDAS.
OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES CLEAR AND OPEN DEALINGS.
NOT SECRET MANEUVERS MOST PAINFUL FOR ME.
LUIS AND MIKA MADE ME BELIEVE THAT WE HAD A REAL FRIENDSHIP.
I SPENT TIME WITH THEM, WELCOMED THEM INTO MY FAMILY, AND EVEN ALLOWED MY DAUGHTER TO BE MENTORED BY MIKA TO LEARN NOW THAT THIS FRIENDSHIP WAS JUST ALOY IN THEIR SCHEME, IS INCREDIBLY HURTFUL.
AND AGAIN, I'LL SAY TRUST WAS BETRAYED FOR PERSONAL GAIN.
WE DON'T NEED THAT HERE IN NATIONAL CITY.
WE, FRIENDSHIP IS WEAPONIZED WHEN POLLUTION IS HIDDEN AND WHEN THE TRUTH IS TWISTED, IT IS NOT JUST POLICY THAT SUFFERS.
LET'S WORK TOGETHER AND TAKE THE LETTER THAT YOU KNOW, JOSIE'S LETTER SERIOUS AND PLEASE REALLY LOOK INTO IT.
'CAUSE IT'S PAINFUL TO A LOT OF US.
ALRIGHT,
THE FIRST ONE I WANT IS MORE OF A QUESTION.
UH, I WANT TO ASK RON STATUS OF THE, UH, CALTRANS, UH, TRANSIENT EFFORT IN CLEANING UP THE SIDES OF THE FREEWAY.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE SAID THAT THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE LATTICE.
THE OTHER AREA THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A AUDIT EXPERT, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU GUYS CONSIDER LOOKING AND ASKING FOR THE EXTENT OF THE, UH, EXTENDING THE SCOPE, THE SINGLE AUDIT TO WHAT THEY CALL, UH, YELLOW BOOK AUDIT.
AND THAT'S SPECIFICALLY SOMETHING TO LOOK AT THE INTERNAL CONTROLS OF THE CITY, UH, ADMINISTRATION IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY CALL, UH, ENVIRONMENT CONTROLS, WHICH COVERS ETHICS ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND POLICIES.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD LOOK AT AND FIND OUT AND DEFINE.
AND BECAUSE I SEE, I HEAR, FRANKLY, I HEAR CONFUSION ON WHAT YOUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.
I THINK SOME OF YOU ARE CONFUSED AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S OUR CITY HERE FOR? IS IT HERE FOR, UH, PROVIDING CITY SERVICES OR EXPANDING INTO AREAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN OUR CITY RIGHT NOW? SOCIAL SERVICES FOR INSTANCE, OR PUBLIC HEALTH.
NOT TO SAY THAT WE SHOULDN'T, BUT THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF OUR CITY RIGHT NOW.
AND THAT'S THE SCOPE OF OUR COUNTY PEOPLE.
BUT SOMEHOW I THINK PEOPLE HERE THINK THAT, UH, MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE A SOCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT OR PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T, I'M SAYING THAT THERE IS A COUNTY GOVERNMENT THAT SHOULD THAT.
SO WE SHOULD LEARN HOW TO TAP INTO THAT INSTEAD OF REPEATING AND DUPLICATING THE EFFORT.
BECAUSE DOING THIS, EXTENDING THE CITY GOVERNMENT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES IS, IS, IS AND FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES.
AND IT SOUNDS GREAT FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY DOING THE CITY ANY GOOD.
UM, SO ANYWAY, WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT THIS, UH, YELLOW BOOK, UH, AUDIT BE CONSIDERED.
IT'S NOT A BIG EFFORT IN ASKING THE SINGLE AUDIT PEOPLE TO DO IT ONCE THEY'RE OUT HERE.
'CAUSE THEY SHOULD BE COVERING THIS AND THEY SHOULD BE COVERING NOT ONLY THE FEDERAL MONIES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT, BUT THE GENERAL FUND MONIES ALSO.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR ON PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON ZOOM ON THIS ONE? YES, WE DO.
GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
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MY NAME'S MEGAN STEWART.UM, I'M HERE TONIGHT WITH A BACKGROUND IN SOCIAL WORK AND EXPERIENCE WORKING DIRECTLY WITH YOUTH.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF ACTIONS SUCH AS PERMITTING MARIJUANA BUSINESSES, ALLOWING MARIJUANA PROMOTION THROUGH EVENTS, INCLUDING SPECIAL EVENTS, OR FAILING TO ADOPT STRONG FREE SMOKE PO FREE POLICIES.
THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE RECENTLY RE RELEASED A REPORT TO CONGRESS HIGHLIGHTING THAT YOUNG PEOPLE ARE BOMBARDED WITH MIXED AND CONTRADICTORY MESSAGES ABOUT MARIJUANA.
DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO MEGAN.
LOOKS LIKE SHE FELL OFF THE LINE.
AS A PUBLIC HEALTH EDUCATOR, I FOLLOW, UH, SCIENTIFIC STUDIES AND FIND THAT AS NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLING AUTHOR ALEX BERENSON HAS STATED FREQUENTLY IN THE NEWS.
RECENTLY THE NEWS ABOUT MARIJUANA KEEPS GETTING WORSE.
BERENSON IS IN THE NEWS BECAUSE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, HIS BOOK TELL YOUR CHILDREN THE TRUTH ABOUT MARIJUANA, MENTAL ILLNESS AND VIOLENCE WARNED ABOUT CANNABIS HARMFUL EFFECTS.
NOW, AS REPORTS SHOW PEOPLE CONSUMING HIGHER POTENCY, THC THAN EVER, BERENSON TALKS TO STUNNINGLY HIGHER RATES OF ADDICTION, PSYCHOSIS, SCHIZOPHRENIA, AND VIOLENCE.
AND HE ADDRESSES NEW DANGERS AS STUDIES SHOW LIKE A SIXFOLD HIGHER RISK OF A HEART ATTACK IN USERS UNDER AGE 50 AND A SIX TIME HIGHER LIKELIHOOD TO DIE WHEN HOSPITALIZED WITH A CANNABIS ABUSE DIAGNOSIS.
THE CITY'S REGULATION HAS FOCUSED ON LICENSING, BUT WITH SCIENCE LEAKING MARIJUANA TO DISTURBING HEALTH CONSEQUENCES.
I ASK YOU IF IT ISN'T TIME TO RETHINK POLICY.
TIME AND SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE ARE CHANGING PEOPLE'S PERSPECTIVE.
OTHER CITIES REJECT COMMERCIALIZATION FOR REASON ONE, A 67% LOWER OCCURRENCE OF PSYCHOSIS WHERE MARIJUANA IS BANNED.
I CAME TO URGE YOU AS DECISION MAKERS TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE CLEAR EVIDENCE OF MARIJUANA'S ADVERSE MEDICAL, MENTAL, AND SOCIAL CONSEQUENCES.
AND AT THE VERY LEAST, CONSIDER REGULATORY STEPS TO ELIMINATE FALSE MESSAGING THAT IT'S SAFE, MEDICAL OR HARM-FREE, BECAUSE IT'S NONE OF THOSE.
SO TONIGHT I WANNA BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION SOME ALARMING NEW DATA FROM THE NATIONAL SURVEY ON DRUG USE AND HEALTH.
WIDELY RECOGNIZED AS THE GOLD STANDARD FOR TRACKING PUBLIC HEALTH BETWEEN 2014 AND 2024, CANNABIS USE DISORDER OR CUD AMONG KIDS AGE 12 TO 17 ROSE FROM 2.7% TO 4.7%.
THAT'S A 74% INCREASE, EVEN MORE DISTURBING.
IN 20 24, 70 8% OF KIDS WHO USED MARIJUANA MONTHLY MET THE CRITERIA FOR ADDICTION.
THAT'S MORE THAN DOUBLE THE RATE FROM 2014.
AND THESE ARE NOT ISOLATED CASES.
AMONG 18 TO 25 YEAR OLDS, 65% OF MONTHLY USERS ARE NOW ADDICTED.
AND MENTAL HEALTH IS ALSO DEEPLY TIED TO THIS CRISIS.
ONE IN FOURTEENS WITH MAJOR DEPRESSION USED MARIJUANA IN 2024, UP FROM 20% IN 2021, AND IT'S THE HIGHEST RATE OF USE ACROSS ALL DRUGS.
THE SAME TREND SHOWS UP AMONG TEENS WITH MODERATE TO SEVERE ANXIETY WHERE MARIJUANA USE IS AGAIN THE HIGHEST.
AND THIS DOESN'T STOP AT ADOLESCENTS.
OVER HALF OF ADULTS WITH SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS USED MARIJUANA IN THE PAST YEAR, A JUMP FROM 41% JUST THREE YEARS AGO.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS BEING SUPERCHARGED BY AN ADDICTION INDUSTRY, BIG WEED USING THE SAME PLAYBOOK AS BIG TOBACCO.
THEY'RE PUSHING LEGALIZATION, NORMALIZATION, AND RESCHEDULING, KNOWING FULL WELL THAT THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE, WHICH ARE OUR KIDS, WILL PAY THE PRICE.
I URGE YOU TO TREAT THIS LIKE THE WARNING THAT IT IS AND TAKE ACTION.
PUSH FOR STRICTER CONTROLS, EDUCATION, AND
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SUPPORT SYSTEMS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE TIME.UH, GOOD EVENING CITY COUNCIL.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SHARE THIS.
MY HUSBAND AND I ARE VERY INVESTED IN NATIONAL CITY.
HE GREW UP IN NATIONAL CITY AND REMEMBERS IT FONDLY.
AND WHEN WE RETURNED FROM COLLEGE, THIS IS WHERE WE BEGAN OUR FAMILY AS A, HE IS A PHARMACIST AND I WORK IN PUBLIC HEALTH.
AND SO I'VE OFTEN CHATTED WITH YOU ABOUT THOSE THINGS I THINK WILL IMPROVE THE HEALTH OF THE RESIDENTS OF NATIONAL CITY, I KNOW IS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR YOU.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO REMEMBER THAT SMOKING AND VAPING IS STILL THE LEADING CAUSE OF PREVENTABLE DEATH IN THE UNITED STATES.
THERE ARE TWO SUGGESTIONS THAT THE ATTORNEY, I'M SORRY, THE SURGEON GENERAL HAS GIVEN US.
ONE YOU'VE PUT INTO EFFECT, IT HAS TO DO WITH TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSING, WHICH YOU HAVE UNDERTAKEN.
THE SECOND IS CREATING SMOKE-FREE AND VAPE FREE POLICIES FOR HOUSING IN PUBLIC PLACES.
I'VE OFTEN SPOKEN TO MARIJUANA HERE AT YOUR CITY COUNCIL, AND I WOULD REMIND YOU THAT SMOKING AND VAPING CAN BE TOBACCO OR MARIJUANA.
THE SAME PROBLEMS OCCUR, THE SAME EFFECT ON HEALTH, THE SAME POOR HEALTH OUTCOMES FOR THE CITIZENS OF NATIONAL CITY.
AND IT CAN BE VERY MUCH DRIVEN BY HAVING MARIJUANA STOREFRONTS IN YOUR CITY.
AND IT'S WHAT OUR CHILDREN SEE.
I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS SINCE YOU'VE BEGUN YOUR JOURNEY IN UNDERSTANDING THE ROLE OF TOBACCO VAPING AND SMOKING.
AND REMIND YOURSELF THAT MARIJUANA VAPING AND SMOKING CAN BE THE SOURCE OF THE SAME PROBLEMS. THANK YOU.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR COMMENT THIS EVENING, UH, THROUGH ZOOM, MAYOR.
WE DID HAVE ONE, UH, WRITTEN COMMENT FROM ALEXANDER GU ROY, SO I WANNA PUT THAT ON RECORD.
[6.1 Introduction of New City Employees ]
UH, PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS.OUR FIRST ONE IS INTRODUCTIONS OF, UH, UH, NEW CITY EMPLOYEES, AND I'M GONNA LOOK OVER THERE AT MS. JUAREZ.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY MANAGER, UH, MEMBERS OF STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS.
IT IS, UH, MY GREAT PLEASURE THIS EVENING TO INTRODUCE TWO OF OUR MOST RECENT HIRES, UH, FOR THE ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO THEIR WORK SCHEDULE, THEY, THEY START AT SIX IN THE MORNING, UH, FOUR DAYS A WEEK OR, OR MORE.
SOMETIMES THEY, THEY'RE NOT HERE WITH US TONIGHT.
SO I'M JUST GONNA SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEM WITH YOU.
SO FIRST WE HAVE OUR, UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO WELCOME F RINGO TI TO OUR TEAM AS A MAINTENANCE WORKER.
HE HAS INFORMED US, THANKFULLY, THAT EVERYONE CAN CALL HIM RJ, SO I WON'T BE GETTING THAT NAME.
YOU KNOW, MESSED UP FOR, FOR TOO LONG.
HE GRADUATED FROM OLYMPIAN HIGH SCHOOL IN 2015 AND LATER ATTENDED TRADE SCHOOL AT THE AMERICAN GENERAL GENERAL CONTRACTORS.
UH, AND HE RECENTLY WORKED FOR THE CITY OF POWAY AND PUBLIC WORKS SPECIFICALLY IN THE STREETS DEPARTMENT.
UH, HE, HE SHARED THAT HE COMES FROM A BIG FAMILY, TWO BROTHERS AND TWO SISTERS, AND HE'S THE YOUNGEST.
SO HE SHOULD GET ALONG REALLY WELL WITH THE TEAM.
HE SHARES HIS HOME LIFE WITH HIS WIFE OF THREE YEARS.
AND IN 2025, BLESSED WITH A BABY BOY, UH, NAMED LUKE MILA TI.
SO I'M GONNA KEEP PRACTICING THAT ONE AS WELL.
HE LOVES COACHING FOOTBALL AT HELIX HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, BUT WE ARE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE A COMMITTED MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY ON OUR TEAM.
YOU SAID THAT HE LIKES TO GO BY THE NAME.
RJ I SEE A LOT OF VOWELS AND CONSONANTS IN HIS NAME.
I SEE AN RI DON'T SEE A J ANYWHERE.
I'M GONNA GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT.
UM, OUR, OUR SECOND, UH, NEWEST STAFF MEMBER IS, UM, A PARK CARETAKER WHO HAS JOINED OUR PARKS DIVISION.
UH, WE'RE EXCITED TO WELCOME SAMUELLA VOSA, WHO RECENTLY JOINED US AS A PARK CARETAKER.
AND HE ORIGINALLY IS FROM FIJI, A COUNTRY WITH OVER 365 ISLANDS.
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BE A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR TEAM.PRIOR TO THIS ROLE, SAM, SAM SPENT 15 YEARS AS A PROFESSIONAL CHEF, UH, BEFORE RETIRING FROM THAT CAREER.
WE'RE HOPEFUL THIS WILL BE HANDY FOR OUR POTLUCKS AS WELL.
UM, HE HAS BEEN MARRIED FOR SEVEN YEARS AND NO CHILDREN.
AND, UH, DURING THE COVID PANDEMIC, HE DISCOVERED A PASSION FOR LANDSCAPING.
SO HE BEGAN VOLUNTEERING HIS TIME TO HELP ELDERLY NEIGHBORS AND HIS EFFORTS INCLUDED YARD CLEANUPS AND HOME MAINTENANCE, ALWAYS FREE OF CHARGE.
HE'S ASSISTED OVER 800 HOMEOWNERS, UH, WITH HIS SERVICES AND BUILT LASTING FRIENDSHIPS WITH MANY OF THE PEOPLE.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE VERY PROUD TO HAVE SAM BRING HIS SKILLS, WORK ETHIC AND COMMUNITY SPIRIT TO THE PARKS DIVISION.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING HIM CONTRIBUTE AS PART OF OUR TEAM AS WELL.
I'M GONNA LOOK OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER NOW FOR AN INTRODUCTION.
I THINK, UM, SOME OF YOU HAVE ALREADY MET, UM, ALICIA HICKS AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF MY INFORMATION'S RIGHT, THEY HAVE LIKE 25 YEARS IN GOVERNMENT.
SHE MUST HAVE BEEN LIKE FIVE YEARS OLD OR SOMETHING WHEN SHE STARTED.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, HER CAREER IS, UM, COVERED A PRETTY GOOD STINT AT OCEANSIDE HEME, UH, LEMON GROVE, AND MORE RECENTLY IN THE, UH, CENTRAL, COASTAL COMMUNITY ENERGY.
UM, I GUESS I WOULD CALL THAT, UH, J-P-A-J-P-A.
AS THEIR, UH, HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR AND ADMIN SERVICES DIRECTOR.
AND SO I FEEL REALLY BLESSED THAT WE WERE ABLE TO CONVINCE HER TO COME TO NATIONAL CITY AND SHE'S ALREADY HIT THE ROAD RUNNING.
IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR A MONTH, BUT I KNOW IT'S ONLY BEEN LIKE A WEEK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, ANYWAY, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HER ABOARD.
UM, SHE IS HERE SO SHE COULD SAY SOMETHING ABOUT HER BACKGROUND IF SHE WANTS, BUT, UH, I'LL TURN, I'LL KICK IT OVER TO YOU.
AND IT WASN'T THAT MUCH CONVINCING
UM, SO I'M HOPING THAT I CAN BE A GREAT ASSET TO THE ORGANIZATION, THE AGENCY, AND BE A GREAT SUPPORT.
UM, AND MY DOOR IS OPEN, SO DROP BY AND SAY HELLO.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ON THOSE.
[6.2 Proclamation - 9/11 Remembrance Day]
OUR, UH, NEXT.WE'VE GOT A PROCLAMATION AND ALTHOUGH WE'RE ONLY AT NINE TWO, UH, THIS WILL BE OUR COUNCIL MEETING BEFORE WE GET TO NINE 11.
SO, UM, TODAY HAS BEEN DECLARED, UH, NATIONWIDE AS, OR NOT TODAY, BUT ON THE 11TH IS 9 0 8 RE UH, NINE 11 REMEMBRANCE DAY.
AND, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR ANYONE OF YOU KNOW, ANY LIVABLE AGE RIGHT NOW, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU WERE AT WHEN THEY HAPPENED.
ONE WOULD BE AS IF YOU WERE ALIVE WHEN JOHN KENNEDY WAS ASSASSINATED.
YOU WOULD REMEMBER WHERE YOU WERE AT AT THAT MOMENT.
I ONLY SEE A COUPLE NODS IN THE, THAT MEANS A LOT OF YOU ARE A LOT YOUNGER THAN THAT.
AND, UH, I WILL TELL YOU, I REMEMBER WHERE I WAS AT AT THAT TIME.
I WAS HOME SICK THAT DAY FROM ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND MY, NO, WAIT A MINUTE.
I GUESS I WAS IN JUST IN JUNIOR HIGH.
I GUESS I WAS IN SEVENTH GRADE.
AND, UH, UH, MY MOM WAS WATCHING AS THE WORLD TURNS.
AND I STILL REMEMBER AS ALL OF A SUDDEN IT SWITCHED OVER TO WALTER CRONKITE WITH A SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT.
I THINK WE WOULD ALL REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST HEARD WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN NEW YORK, PERSONALLY.
I WAS AT SAN DIEGO AIRPORT AND WAITING TO GET ON A FLIGHT AND WAS WATCHING THE TV SCREEN, AND THEY HAD ALL THE FLIGHTS ON THE OTHER SCREEN THERE.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY REPORTED ABOUT AN ACCIDENT AND IN NEW YORK CITY AND ABOUT A PLANE HAD FLOWN INTO A BUILDING BY ACCIDENT.
AND AS THEY WERE TALKING AND THEY HAD THE CAMERAS IN THE BACKGROUND SHOWING THE ONE, THE SMOKE COMING OFF OF ONE OF THE TOWERS, AS THEY WERE TALKING, YOU SEE ANOTHER PLANE COME ACROSS AND HIT THE SECOND TOWER.
AND ALL THEY SAID WAS, THAT'S NOT AN ACCIDENT.
AND ALL YOU SAW ALL OF A SUDDEN ON THE SCREEN WAS CANCEL, CANCEL, CANCEL.
AND AS I GOT IN MY CAR TO COME BACK HOME, I HAVE NEVER SEEN SAN DIEGO BAY LIKE THAT WITH EVERY NAVY SHIP ALREADY WITHIN THOSE FEW MINUTES WAS ALREADY STEM TO STERN, ALMOST TOUCHING EACH OTHER AS THEY WERE GOING OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE BAY.
UH, WE, I THINK WE ALL REMEMBER THAT DAY.
IF YOU WERE ALIVE AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW YOUR FEELINGS THAT DAY.
AND THE DEAL IS, WE SAID THEN WE WILL NEVER FORGET.
SOME PEOPLE THINK WE MIGHT HAVE FORGOTTEN, BUT WE SHOULD NEVER FORGET.
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BETWEEN CIVILIANS AND IN PARTICULAR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, FIREMEN, POLICEMEN WHO DIDN'T RUN AWAY FROM THAT INCIDENT BUT RAN TO IT, THE FIREMEN THAT WERE NOT RUNNING DOWN THE STAIRS, BUT WERE RUNNING UP THE STAIRS AS THOSE BUILDINGS WERE COLLAPSING.YOU KNOW, WE CAN NEVER, UH, NEVER HAVE ENOUGH GRATITUDE AND NEVER ALLOW THOSE LIVES AND THE LIVES OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN AFFECTED SO MUCH EVER SINCE.
UH, WE SHOULD NEVER GO THROUGH A TIME WHERE WE FORGET THAT SACRIFICE AND WHAT OUR NATION WENT THROUGH AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME.
SO, WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL UP BOTH REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND SIT PRESENT YOU WITH A PROCLAMATION AND THAT IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS.
COUNSEL, IF YOU'D LIKE TO STAND.
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S BEEN 24 YEARS SINCE THIS OCCURRED.
AND, UH, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU GUYS THE BADGE THAT I'M WEARING RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS A COMMEMORATIVE BADGE THAT WE WEAR EVERY SEPTEMBER, THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOWERS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THERE WERE 343 FIREFIGHTERS THAT DIED THAT DAY.
THERE WERE 71 POLICE OFFICERS.
THAT WAS THE IMMEDIATE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED THAT DAY.
THERE'S BEEN TONS OF OTHER, UH, FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS THAT HAVE DIED FROM CANCER RELATED, UH, INCIDENTS FROM THAT.
WE HAD NEARLY 3000 PEOPLE THAT DIED THAT DAY.
SO I WEAR THIS BADGE WITH A, A TON OF PRIDE FOR THE WHOLE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER AND I'LL SHARE IT WITH YOU GUYS.
UM, ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ALSO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND I KNOW CHRIS IS GONNA TALK ABOUT THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE EVERY SINGLE YEAR THAT HONORS BOTH THE POLICE OFFICERS AND THE FIREFIGHTERS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY AND THE BRAVE WORK THAT THEY DO.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL CALL CHRIS UP.
THANK YOU, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
WE APPRECIATE THE PROCLAMATION.
CHIEF HERNANDEZ SAID IT BEST, SO I WON'T, WON'T WASTE TIME.
UH, WE WANT, WE DID WANT TO INVITE YOU TO THE ANNUAL, IT'S GONNA BE THE 24TH ANNUAL NINE 11 CEREMONY.
UM, INVITE THE MAYOR, COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
THERE'LL BE AN EMAIL SENT TO YOU, UH, WITH THE DETAILS.
BUT FOR THE MEMBERS, OUR RESIDENTS OF NATIONAL CITY WHO, WHO WON'T GET THAT EMAIL, IT'S, UH, SEPTEMBER 11TH AT STATION 34, FIRE STATION 34 ON 16TH AND D AT, UH, 7:00 AM WE'LL PROVIDE BREAKFAST.
IT'S A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED, SO, SO BE READY AND HUNGRY.
AND, AND, UH, AT EIGHT 30 WE'LL KIND OF GO INTO THE DETAILS OF THE NINE 11 DAY.
UM, OFTENTIMES WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM NEW YORK WHO CAN GIVE SOME INTIMATE DETAILS ON THE, ON THE DAY.
SO THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING IT AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE.
[7. REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS (Limited to Five (5) Minutes each]
GO INTO REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS.I'LL START DOWN HERE ON MY LEFT.
UM, FOR SWEETWATER AUTHORITY, THERE'S NOTHING TO REPORT FOR.
UM, SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY.
THERE'S NOTHING TO REPORT FOR.
UM, SAN DIEGO COMMUNITY POWER, I WAS, UM, VOTED IN AS THE VICE CHAIR FOR THE, UH, BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
UH, SANDAG WILL RESUME THEIR, UH, MEETINGS.
UH, THE FIRST BOARD MEETING WILL BE, UH, NOT THIS FRIDAY, BUT FOLLOWING FRIDAY AND I'LL REPORT BACK.
FOR AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT, WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON, UH, SEPTEMBER, UH, 11TH, THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 11TH, UM, IN THE AFTERNOON.
AND THAT'S TO DISCUSS, UH, REALLY FOCUS ON THE TJ, UH, SEWAGE RIVER, UH, CRISIS.
THE RESPONSE AND THE NEW REPORT THAT'S COME OUT FROM NOT JUST THE CDC BUT FROM U-C-S-D-S-D-S-U, CONCLUDING THAT THERE IS AIR CONTAMINATION FROM THE WATER QUALITY ISSUES FROM THE SEWAGE.
SO WE ALREADY HAD AN IDEA ABOUT THAT, BUT THIS IS ACTUAL
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DATA, UM, AND THE INFORMATION THAT, THAT VERIFIES THAT, THAT, THAT IS THE CASE.WE HAVE ALSO, UH, A NEW ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO WHERE LAST YEAR THEIR PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT KIND OF DISMISSED IT AND EVEN CALLED THE AIR SAFE.
IT'S BEEN A COMPLETE 180, UH, TURNAROUND.
AND I DO HAVE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO, UH, SUPERVISOR PALOMA AGUIRE BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN PUSHING THIS ISSUE.
UH, SHE'S A NEW MEMBER, UH, ON A PCD, SO SHE BROUGHT THIS, UH, FORWARD.
BUT, UM, I THINK, UH, IT'S ALL OF US HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, BEEN IN THAT AREA, HAVE FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
AND A LOT OF THIS ALSO HAS TO DO WITH AIR MONITORING AND EMISSIONS.
AND EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE A DIRECT ISSUE WITH, UH, THE SEWAGE HERE, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF AIR POLLUTION ISSUES, ESPECIALLY IN OUR WEST SIDE, OTNC.
AND A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF LACK OF MONITORING.
SO THIS IS ALSO HELPING US GET MORE MONITORS AND THAT'S GONNA BE DISCUSSED NEXT WEEK.
ALRIGHT, UH, JUST REAL QUICKLY, THERE'S, UH, THE, UH, CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION, UH, MEETS ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
UH, THIS MONTH WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE MEETING ON THE 11TH.
AND UH, THAT IS ONE WHERE WE'LL BE TAKING A LOOK, UM, WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT MEETING ON THE BALANCE PLAN, PART TWO, WHICH IS ALONG WITH THE, UH, UH, THE PORT AUTHORITY IN THEIR MASTER PLAN.
UH, AND I WAS LOOKING AT THAT AND I STARTED TO SAY THAT'D BE THE FIRST TIME IN 24 YEARS THAT I WOULD MISS THE, UH, NINE 11, UH, HERE IN, IN NATIONAL CITY.
UH, SO, BUT THAT HAS BEEN PUT OFF TILL OCTOBER, SO IT'S BEEN PUT OFF FOR SE EVERY MONTH.
THEY SEEM TO PUT IT OFF FOR ANOTHER MONTH.
SO MOST TIME I KIND OF SAID, THAT'S A DRAG.
THEY KEEP PUTTING IT OFF, BUT THIS ONE I WAS, I DIDN'T MIND THEM PUTTING THIS ONE OFF.
UM, SO WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT OFF ANOTHER MONTH, AT LEAST ANOTHER MONTH FOR THAT.
[8. CONSENT CALENDAR]
GO INTO CONSENT CALENDAR.I HAVE REQUESTS TO PULL ITEMS 8 5 7 17, 18, AND 19.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM 12.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER REQUEST? SEEING NONE.
COULD I GET A MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR? MAY I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REMAINDER OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS? ALRIGHT, SECOND MAYOR, COULD I JUST, UM, OKAY, SO AMONG THOSE IS EIGHT 13 AND EIGHT 14 AND THOSE ARE NOTICES OF DECISIONS.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IF THERE'S ANY DISCLOSURES REGARDING CONFLICTS THAT NOW WOULD BE THE TIME.
SEEING NONE, UH, OKAY, SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION.
SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE.
[8.5 Authorize the Purchase and Buildout of Four (4) Ford Police Utility Interceptors for the National City Police Department]
AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE AND BUILD OUT OF FOUR FORD POLICE UTILITY INTERCEPTORS, THE NATIONAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT.I JUST WANNA INFORM YOU THAT IT'S FOR $238,000, UH, FOR FOUR OF 'EM.
SO THAT MEANS IN THE FUTURE WE'LL BE GETTING ELECTRIC.
ANY, ANYTHING COULD BE POSSIBLE IN THE FUTURE.
ANY, UH, THEY, THEY MAY BE SOMETHING RIGHT OUT OF BACK TO THE FUTURE.
SEE NO OTHER OTHER DISCUSSION.
WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE FOR ITEM 8.5? THIS IS FOR, TO, UH, APPROVE RECOMMENDATION.
THIS IS BOTH FOR THE PURCHASE BUT ALSO THE BUILD OUT, WHICH IS YES.
UH, QUITE, QUITE A, A PROCESS ON THESE, UH, INTERCEPTORS.
UM, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION TO APPROVE A UNANIMOUSLY.
UH, EIGHT SEVEN IS AUTHORIZED IN THE PURCHASE OF AN ENFORCER AERIAL LADDER TRUCK FOR THE NATIONAL CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I JUST WANT TO INFORM YOU THAT'S $2,130,947 MM-HMM
AND SOMEONE INFORMED ME, I DUNNO IF THEY'RE TELLING ME THE TRUTH.
THAT'S ONLY FOR ONE, BUT 200, $2 MILLION.
THAT'S, THAT IS OUR LADDER RIG.
UH, AND I BELIEVE, AND I'M SEEING OUR GUYS, A COUPLE OF FIREFIGHTERS THERE IN THE BACKGROUND.
I BELIEVE WHEN WE PURCHASED THE ONE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
WASN'T THAT ABOUT 1.4, 1.5 AND NOW, NOW IT'S, UH, TWO.
OVER $2.1 MILLION FOR THAT, FOR THAT RIG.
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PIGGYBACKING, UH, WITH HOUSTON GALVESTON.UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE EXISTING, UM, LADDER TRUCK.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT? DOES IT REMAIN IN OPERATION? AND THEN, UM, THE NEW ONE, I KNOW WE ARE NOT GONNA GET IT IMMEDIATELY.
IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE FOR IT TO COME.
CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TIMELINE? YES, I CAN GIVE YOU SOME DETAILS ON THAT.
IS, YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY? YEP.
SO, UM, THERE'S A LEAD TIME OF FOUR YEARS.
SO TO, FOR, FOR US TO TELL THE MANUFACTURER WE WANT THE APPARATUS TO, WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET IT DELIVERED, IT TAKES ABOUT FOUR YEARS TO GET IT DONE THERE.
THEY'RE VERY BUSY, UH, CORPORATION BECAUSE THEY'RE THE HIGHLY SOUGHT AFTER BECAUSE OF THEIR PRODUCT.
SO, UM, THE, THE BULLET POINTS ON THAT, SO TO SPEAK, ARE THERE'S NO PAYMENT REQUIRED.
NOW IT IS ON TIME OF DELIVERY, UH, BUT IT DOES TAKE FOUR YEARS TO MAKE HAPPEN.
AS FAR AS THE OTHER LADDER TRUCK, THAT ONE WAS BUILT IN 2009.
UH, TYPICALLY THERE'S A 10 YEAR FRONTLINE, UM, STANDARD INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR AN APPARATUS AND THEN ANOTHER 10 YEAR RESERVE TRUCK APPARATUS.
AND SO AT THE END OF 20 YEARS, WHICH IS 2029 FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPARATUS, WHICH CORRESPONDS EXACTLY WHEN WE WOULD BE GETTING THE NEW ONE, IT WOULD GO TO, UH, AUCTION AND THE CURRENT FRONTLINE APPARATUS WOULD BECOME OUR RESERVE.
AND THIS NEW ONE WOULD BE BECOME OUR FRONTLINE.
UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT, BUT DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS? YES.
THE, THE TRUCK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IS THE ONE THAT DOES DISPLAY THE BIG FLAG, FOR EXAMPLE, NINE 11, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES.
AND WE'RE GONNA GET A BIG FANCY ONE IN FOUR YEARS.
ALRIGHT, MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ITEM.
AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND MR. CHAIRMAN.
THAT'S ACTING BATTALION CHIEF.
MOTION SHOULD APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.
WELL, THE NICE THING IS, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T GET IT FOR FOUR YEARS, YOU'LL LOCK IN THE PRICE NOW.
'CAUSE WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH IT'LL COST IN FOUR YEARS.
[8.12 League of California Cities Annual Conference – Designation on Voting Delegate and Alternate(s)]
12, I PULL THIS ONE.THIS IS THE LEAGUE OF, UH, LEAGUE OF CITY'S ANNUAL CONFERENCE DESIGNATION ON VOTING DELEGATE.
UM, AND THE REASON I PULLED IT, BECAUSE IT'S ASKING FOR US TO NAME A VOTING DELEGATE, SO IT'S KIND OF HARD WHEN IT'S ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
UM, THE, UH, UM, I AM NOT A AVAILABLE CURRENTLY, I'M SUPPOSED TO BE OUTTA TOWN DURING THAT, THAT ONE AT AN, UH, ANOTHER CONFERENCE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, THESE ANNUAL CONFERENCES ARE, UH, LEAGUE CITIES ARE OUR BEST RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE FOR STATE WORK, STATE LEGISLATION, THINGS ALONG THAT LINE.
ESPECIALLY A CITY LIKE OURS THAT'S SMALLER, THAT DOESN'T HAVE REPRESENTATION UP IN SACRAMENTO.
IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THAT, UM, THAT RESOURCE.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THERE.
THIS, THIS IS A ONE TIME VOTING DELEGATE JUST FOR THEIR BUSINESS MEETING AT THE CONFERENCE ONLY.
BUT YOU, BUT EACH CITY GETS TO HAVE ONE VOTE AND, BUT YOU HAVE TO DESIGNATE THE PERSON AHEAD OF TIME.
SO, UM, SO THE QUESTION IS EITHER, UM, SOMEONE WHO KNOWS THAT THEY'RE GOING RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO DO IT, OR IF YOU DON'T KNOW YET, IF YOU'RE GOING, IF YOU COULD INFORM ME AFTERWARDS AND WE CAN BE GLAD TO.
UM, IF YOU'LL GIVE ME THE POWER JUST TO ALLOW THAT PERSON TO BE DESIGNATED THROUGH THIS CHAIR, SO, OH, YEAH.
I, I WAS JUST SAYING, SO I AM, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE THAT I CAN GO, I'M, UH, INTERESTED SO I MIGHT BE AVAILABLE.
SO I DON'T MIND BEING NAMED IN ONE OF THE ORDERS IF YOU CAN FOR SURE GO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER I'M OPEN OR YOU KNOW, EITHER OF MY COLLEAGUES.
SO, BUT I, I DON'T MIND BEING ON THAT LIST.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF I CAN CONFIRM YET.
I WAS GONNA ASK THROUGH THE CHAIR, UM, WHO'S GOING FROM THE FIVE OF US? YEAH, I, I AM NOT AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME.
YOU'RE SO, YOU FOR SURE CAN'T.
SO WOULD IT BE ALL RIGHT WITH THE COUNCIL THAT IF, IF ANY OF THE MEMBERS SAY THAT THEY CAN GO THAT, THAT WE CAN JUST DESIGNATE THEM, COUNT THAT AS A DESIGNATION? YES.
AND THERE'S SOME ALTERNATE POSITIONS TOO, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO MAY, SO THEN MAYBE WE CAN NAME EITHER, UH, UH, LOOSE OR JOSE AS WELL.
WELL, YEAH, BUT, BUT WHOEVER'S GOING, I MEAN, IF THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON GOING THAT CAN, RIGHT.
BUT IF, AND I DON DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GO.
UM, ANYWAY, WELL, I'LL MAKE, I'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT, UM, THAT WE DO DESIGNATE A PERSON IF, IF A PERSON IS AVAILABLE AND, OR IS ANYONE WHO'S GOING? WE, WE OKAY.
I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE, SORRY.
I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO SUBMIT A NAME PRIOR TO, UH, THE VOTING.
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DO.I HAVE TO SUBMIT A RESOLUTION TO THE LEAGUE.
SO I WOULD NEED AT LEAST ONE PERSON, EVEN IF THEY'RE AS AN ALTERNATE.
UM, WE NEED TO PROVIDE ONE NAME AT LEAST AT THIS TIME.
YOU'RE SAYING AT THIS TIME? AT THIS TIME? YEAH.
I, I'VE GOT, UH, WELL, VICE SEPTEMBER 24TH IS MY DEADLINE.
I HAVE TO LET THEM KNOW BY SEPTEMBER 24TH.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF OKAY, BUT YOU, BUT YOU NEED IT IN THE FORM OF RESOLUTION THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, UM, HOSE JOSE LU, DID EITHER OF YOU, ARE YOU FOR SURE GOING, WE HAVE A MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER 20.
I CAN BRING IT BACK ON THE 16TH.
SO IF WE COULD, IF, SO IF EVERYONE CAN KIND OF CHECK THEIR AVAILABILITY AND THEIR CALENDAR BETWEEN NOW AND THE 16TH, WE'LL, WE CAN BRING THIS BACK AND THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE A RESOLUTION IN TIME.
SO IN THAT CASE, WE WILL TABLE THIS AND BRING IT BACK ON THE 16TH IF THAT'S IN THE AGREEMENT.
UM, SO NEXT WE WOULD GO ON TO ITEM SEVEN, UH, EIGHT
[8.17 Warrant Register No. 50 for the Period of 6/6/25 through 6/12/25 in the Amount of $1,422,312.63]
17.UH, WE HAVE, UH, MR. REICH AND ALSO THEN MR. NIETO.
I'LL READ THESE AS LONG AS I HAVE ENOUGH TIME.
UH, UH, FOR LE FOR LABOR LEGAL SERVICE FOR LAGGARD,
THE AP GENERAL CORPORATION, LAS PALAS PARK IMPROVEMENTS, $170.
THE LAZY FAMINE CORD, LIGHT LIGHT DAY LIGHTING LAW MAILERS, $7,000.
THE POLICE HIGH DENSITY LOCKERS, $90,000 ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS.
CHIN RYANS ASSOCIATES, 16TH AND 18TH STREET, BI BICYCLE APPLICATION, $20,000.
UH, UH, FIRE CURTIS, I THINK IT'S $20,000 FOR A HOSE.
I THINK CPLD POLICE, THE SMART SHOPPER LAPS SUPPLIES $4,100.
JEAN GROSSO ROSSI LEGAL SERVICES $21,700.
I, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S ALL ON 51.
I'VE COME TO THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS BEFORE AND WE GO TO THIS WARRANT REGISTER.
UH, MR. RIKER COMES UP AND ASKS QUESTIONS ABOUT COST.
AND, UH, THERE'S BEEN A FEW TIMES INFREQUENT TIMES.
I THINK THAT WE'VE ALWAYS, THAT THE COST, HE'S ASKING ABOUT SOUNDS UNREASONABLE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S HIGHLY INSENSITIVE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS TO QUES TO THINK THEMSELVES ABOVE BEING QUESTIONED.
I THINK IT'S HIGHLY INSENSITIVE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND AND THERE'S NO STRINGENT, UH, UH, CRITERIA THE CITY ATTORNEY WEIGHS IN AND HE SAYS, WELL, THERE'S NO RULES SAY TO SAY OTHERWISE.
YOU CAN'T SPEND IT IF THERE'S NO CITY RULES.
ALL THIS COST SHOULDN'T BE UNREASONABLE.
TAXPAYERS PAY MONEY, LAUGH IN THEIR FACES.
I, I THOUGHT, ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THIS IS EIGHT 17 WARD REGISTRY NUMBER 50.
UH, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE TO APPROVE MR. CHAIR? SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND SEAT.
NO MORE DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION APPROVED A UNANIMOUSLY.
[Items 8.18 & 8.19]
HAVE ITEMS 18 AND 19.MR. MR. RECH, WE'LL JUST BRING YOU UP FOR BOTH OF 'EM.
HERE'S THE LIST OF THE ONES THAT I, I'VE POINTED OUT.
I DON'T EGIL, DEPUTY DEPUTY BUILDING OFFICIAL SERVICES.
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FOR MAY $23,000, THE CITY ATTORNEY LEGAL SERVICES $24,000 FROM CIVIC LAW ENGINEERING.THE PUBLIC WORKS, UH, A REASON, A REASON TO SURVIVE FOUR STREET SPIGOT SPIGOT.
OH, REASON TO SURVIVE THE ARTS PROJECT.
THE ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT, $63,000 FOR RENT CARS PROJECT PROFESSIONAL KIMBALL PARK, BALLFIELDS, $11,000.
UH, THE UNITED ROTARY BRUSH FOR GUTTER BROOMS FOR THE STREET SWEEPER, $4,000 LIGHT AND CONSOLING CONSTRUCTION TESTING SERVICES FOR CMME $8,000 WEST COAST ARBORIST TREE TRAINING, $8,000 BIO CONNECT, US BIO BIO CONNECT LINK SUBSCRIPTION, $5,600.
HOUSING, KAISER, KAISER MARSTON ON CALL CONSULTING.
49,000 ENTERPRISES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
A PHOTO DRONE, $50,000 PROFESSIONAL FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
PROFESSIONAL SWAT CHEMICALS, $20,000 FOR ENGLISH FOR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS.
TRAFFIC SAFETY SUPPLY TREATS, STREET SIGN SUPPLIES, $4,000 TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS.
WAS THAT ALL ON, UH, EIGHT 18 OR DID YOU ALSO DO EIGHT? 19? OH, 19.
BICYCLE WAYFARING FINANCE PROJECT $55,000.
A GOOD SIGN, LIKE HE SIGNS FOR THE, FOR THE BICYCLE PATHS.
CITY ATTORNEY BUR AND WILLIAMS, 22,000.
THE CLERK IMAGING RECORD SCANNING SERVICES, $6,300 COMMUNITY SERVICE.
EXXON MAY BASE MANAGEMENT FEE $5,400.
AP GENERAL LOSS, PALMS PARK IMPROVEMENTS, 249,000.
UH, WARRANT ASTOR CONSTRUCTION, 325,000 UNIVERSAL UNIVERSAL TRAILER FOR THE UNIVERSAL TRAILER.
DUI TRAILER FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
45,000 FROM, FROM ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS, THE CHEN AS IN 35,000 FOR CP 22 HIGHLAND AVENUE AND CP 1924 BAY SHARP PARKWAY, 35,000 CIRCUIT TRANSIT, 28,000.
INNOVATIVE, INNOVATIVE CONSTRUCTION.
UH, UH, 20,020 7,000 I-C-P-I-I-A-D-A-M PROJECTS, HOUSING NTT AMERICA.
SO FLEX ANNUAL PAN AWAY, 22,000.
SO THIS IS, UH, FOR EIGHT 18 AND EIGHT 19, THE WARRANT REGISTRIES.
AND WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? MOVE TO APPROVE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
SEE NO MORE DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.
[9.1 Public Hearing - Second Reading and Adoption of an Ordinance Amending Section 8.32.015 of the National City Municipal Code Related to the Keeping of Hen Chickens.]
WE GO INTO NINE ONE.THIS IS A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING, SECOND READING ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 8.3 2.015 OF THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL CODE RELATED TO THE KEEPING OF HN CHICKENS.
WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF REPORT? GOOD EVENING.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
MY NAME IS DAVID WELCH WITH THE NATIONAL CITY
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PLANNING DIVISION.UH, THIS WAS INTRODUCED OR BROUGHT TO THE COUNCIL AT A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, I THINK A, AN OMISSION WAS NOTED ABOUT A MINIMUM NUMBER OF CHICKENS THAT COULD BE KEPT AND THAT HAS BEEN CORRECTED.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, UM, THERE'S NO PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM.
WITH THAT, UH, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IN THAT CASE.
WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER, UH, DOYLE MORRISON.
UH, I'M IN FAVOR OF, UH, KEEPING CHICKENS IN NATIONAL CITY.
AT THE FIRST MEETING, I RECOMMENDED TYING THE NUMBER OF HINTS TO THE OPEN LOT SPACE ON A PROPERTY.
A COMMENT FROM THE DIA SAID THAT IT WOULD BE TOO HARD TO CALCULATE THAT TOO CON CONVOLUTED.
BUT, UH, IRONICALLY, WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH 9.2 SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND 9.3 LOT TIE AGREEMENTS FOLLOWING THIS, WHICH ARE SUPER CON, CONVOLUTED,
WOULD'VE, UH, ACCOMPLISHED THAT? ARE YOU SAYING THAT EVEN CHICKENS COULD COUNT THAT HIGH? UH,
THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE FOR PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
UH, HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SECOND, AND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UH, THIS IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.
SO THIS IS A, UH, UH, THE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE.
WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT ITEM 9.1 SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ADOPTION.
OH, WHEN IT COMES UP HERE, COUNCIL, OH, WE GOTTA GET THE SECOND IN THERE.
[9.2 Public Hearing - Second Reading and Adoption of an Ordinance Adding Chapter 6.30 (Short-Term Rentals) to the National City Municipal Code]
WE GO, UH, TO NINE TWO.THIS IS A, UH, SECOND READING ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE ADDING, UH, CHAPTER 6.30, THE SHORT TERM RENTALS TO THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL CODE.
UM, WITH THAT, ANY STAFF REPORT? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
THERE'S NO, UH, PLANNING STAFF PRESENTATION ON THIS.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, MY NAME IS DAVID WELCH.
UM, THIS IS ON THE SECOND READING.
SO IT WAS INTRODUCED AT THE LAST, UM, CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THERE WERE A COUPLE MINOR CHANGES.
ONE WAS THE ADDITION OF LANGUAGE THAT WOULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO 45 PER COUNCIL DISTRICT.
THAT CHANGE HAS BEEN MADE IN THE DRAFT LANGUAGE, AND SECOND WOULD BE REQUIRING CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL LICENSE.
UH, LANGUAGE HAS BEEN ADDED TO THAT EFFECT AS WELL.
WITH THAT, UH, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE SPEAKERS.
UH, SO I WILL AT THIS POINT OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, JORGE, UH, GARCIA TO BE FOLLOWED BY ED NETTA.
I WAS TRYING TO READ ALL THOSE ATTACHMENTS ON THERE, AND HONESTLY, IT WAS CONTRADICTING.
ONE SAID 45, THE OTHER ONE SAID 60 ON THE PERMITS.
THE RESIDENTS ONE SAID YES, ONE SAID NO.
IS IT ON THE OWNER OR ON THE PLATFORM? I MEAN, THESE TWO THINGS IS, IT IS KIND OF AN ISSUE OF CONCERN WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO READ THROUGH IT.
BUT THE, THE REAL THING IS, IS THAT NATIONAL CITY IS BUILT ON MOSTLY RENTERS.
AND ALL I SEE IS THAT WE ARE JUST PUTTING A LOT MORE PRESSURE ONTO THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
AND WE HAVE A, WE HAVE, UH, THIS ATTENTION TO DETAIL SHOULD MATTER TO THEM ALL RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS NOT ONLY THE RENTER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THE OWNER.
AND WE NEED TO PUT MORE ATTENTION ONTO EXACT DETAILS OF WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING.
AND THIS BLANKET OF FINES ON THE PUNISHMENT ON THE OWNER OR THE TENANT, THESE THINGS GONNA JUST CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS, RIGHT? WE SHOULD HONESTLY PUT MORE REGULATIONS ON WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO FIND, ALRIGHT? NOT JUST PUT ONE BLANKET FINE ON EVERYTHING.
AND THIS IS WHERE I THROW MORE OF THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND RESPONSIBILITY BACK TO YOU.
AND JUST SAY, WHAT ARE WE REALLY TRYING TO PURSUE HERE? BE MORE PRECISE AND STOP PUTTING THE PUNISHMENT ONTO THE OWNERS.
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PROTECT THE RENTERS.ALRIGHT, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN PLACE AND LET'S PUT MORE ATTENTION ONTO THAT.
UM, THE ORIGINAL DESCRIPTION HAS WRITTEN, UH, LEFT OUT A LOT OF, UH, WELL, RIGHT NOW I THINK WE NEED TO LIVE.
GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND OF HOW THIS CAME TO BE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS HERE.
THE ORIGINAL, UH, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL ORDINANCE WOULD'VE BEEN A CATASTROPHE IF IT HAD BEEN APPROVED.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONCERNS WITH RENTALS AND, UM, THIS WOULD'VE ACTUALLY DETERRED FROM, UH, OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR POPULATION OF RENTALS.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A CATASTROPHE THAT WAS ALMOST CLUMSILY AVOIDED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY THERE WAS A DIALOGUE THAT, UH, PUT IN THE DETAILS.
BUT I THOUGHT HOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WAS JUST INCREDIBLY SLOPPY, NOT THOUGHT OUT.
AND YET, YOU KNOW, IT CAME THROUGH, BUT IT TOOK A LOT OF EFFORT.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE CREDIT SHOULD GO WHERE IT'S DUE.
AND IT'S NOT WHOEVER RODRIGUEZ WHO ORIGINALLY, UH, BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE WHAT HE DID WAS A DISSERVICE OF THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT OUT.
IF, IF WE WOULD'VE BROUGHT IT OUT THE, THE WAY IT FIRST CAME OUT, WE WOULD'VE HAD MORE PROBLEMS THAN WE STARTED OFF WITH.
AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZED AGAIN.
IT GETS DOWN TO ETHICS AND DOING GOOD WORK, AND HE JUST DOESN'T DO IT WITH HIS PROPOSALS.
SO, I'M GLAD IT WORKED OUT AT THE END HERE, BUT EVEN NOW, YOU CAN HEAR THAT PEOPLE STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
SO DON'T RUSH INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S IN THE SECOND READING, BUT I THINK YOU, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT VERY, VERY, VERY CLOSELY AND ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, UM, LOOK AT HOW THIS, HOW THE PROCESS CAME TO BE AND TRY TO AVOID THIS.
PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO YOUR PROPOSALS, PUT SOME RESEARCH.
UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON FOR PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
AND IF WE COULD HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, THIS IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DO HAVE BEFORE US A, UM, THE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE.
WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHTS OR YOUR PLEASURE COMMENTS THROUGH THE CHAIR? COMMENT? YES.
UM, WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS AND HAD HAD, UM, UH, OUR LEGAL AND, UH, PLANNING AND STAFF, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN DO MORE, UH, RESEARCH FOR US.
UM, THAT INCLUDED THE INPUT OF, UH, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIAL FROM, UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I THINK THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE, WE PUT IN SOME, UH, OR WE ESTABLISH, UH, POLICY WITH REGARDS TO THE MORE THAN 200, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT ARE DOING BUSINESS, UM, IN, IN NOT AN OFFICIAL, AN OFFICIAL WAY.
SO I THINK THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK CONTINU CONTINUOUSLY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IN MAKING SURE THAT, UM, IT PUTS OUR, UM, RESIDENTS, UM, AND EVERYBODY IN, IN OUR CITY IN, IN A, UH, YOU KNOW, IN A, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE MOST OF THIS SHORT TERM RENTALS HAVE BEEN, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN PROVIDING OR, OR, UH, BEING A PROBLEM PROBLEMATIC TO THE CITY.
AND SO I BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL MITIGATE THAT IN A, IN A SENSE.
AND, UM, THIS POLICY, UM, WILL, UH, WILL BRING US FORTH IN, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN DEVELOPING, MOVING FORWARD.
UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF.
LAST COUNCIL MEETING, ALTHOUGH WE DIDN'T REALLY COME TO A CONCLUSION ON THE AMOUNT OF, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS PERMITTED UNDER THIS POLICY, UM, I DO BELIEVE WE WERE DISCUSSING ANYWHERE FROM 40 TO 50, UM, AND, UH, I THINK IT 45 MADE IT ONTO THE FINAL REPORT.
IS THERE A REASON WHY THE NUMBER OF 45 WAS RECOMMENDED TO COUNSEL 50 MS. WAIT AT 40 TO 15, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, THE ACTING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR IS NOT HERE AT THE MOMENT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS NOT AT
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THAT LAST MEETING OR A PART OF ANY DISCUSSIONS THAT MAY HAVE TAKEN PLACE AFTERWARDS.UM, YOU KNOW, IF ANYONE ELSE HAS KNOWLEDGE ON THAT DISCUSSION, THEY CAN SPEAK UP.
BUT, UM, WHAT WAS SHARED WITH ME WAS THAT FOUR FIVE WAS THE CHANGE THAT WAS AGREED UPON.
UM, WHERE, WHEN THAT AGREEMENT TOOK PLACE, I CANNOT TELL YOU, UNFORTUNATELY.
I, I, I BELIEVE I ASKED THAT QUESTION LAST TIME.
UM, I, UH, I BELIEVE, UM, ACTING DIRECTOR READER HAD SAID THAT IT WOULD, UH, LIMIT EACH DISTRICT 45, UH, UNITS EACH.
SO I THINK THE QUESTION RIGHT NOW THAT I HAVE TO, NOW THAT I'M READING THIS, IS, UM, IN THE AREAS THAT WE LOOKED AT IN THE MAP THAT WAS SHOWED PRIOR, YOU KNOW, DURING THE PRESENTATION, 200 SPORADICALLY IN THAT AREA, IN THE, IN THE, WITHIN THE CITY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN FOR THOSE SECTIONS THAT HAVE 45, I MEAN, 45, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ILLEGAL OR UNOFFICIAL, UM, SHORT TERM RENTAL, UH, BUSINESS THAT ARE, UH, THAT ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO I THINK I, I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I LIKE THE IDEA OF 45, ITS DISTRICT, BUT THERE ARE SOME DISTRICTS THAT HAVE MORE, UM, MORE, UM, PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNDER SHORT THAT ARE, UM, PRE-EXISTING.
PRE-EXISTING OR, OR THEY'RE DOING THE BUSINESS WITHOUT LICENSE RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M IN THIS POLICY, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ WILL HELP US, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UH, TAKE CARE OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL.
UM, YEAH, NO, I, I THINK I AM CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT, UH, MORE RESTRICTIVE THAT WHEN WE HAVE IT NOW.
AND I DO BELIEVE STAFF ANALYSIS WAS THAT WE HAD OVER 200 OF THESE SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNITS ON AIRBNB AND VRBO.
SO I DO BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE RESTRICTIVE.
UM, AND JUST, UH, FOR FOLKS THAT MAY NOT HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE DISCUSSION, UM, THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING DISCUSSION ON THE COUNCIL FOR A YEAR NOW TO HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL POLICY, PRIMARILY DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT WE HAD OVER A DOZEN THAT WERE VERY PROBLEMATIC.
THEY WERE TURNED INTO BROTHELS.
THERE WAS A LOT OF ILLEGAL, ILLEGAL ACTIVITY HAPPENING.
SHOOTINGS, STABBINGS, OUR, OUR, WE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN NEIGHBORS CAN'T COME OUT OF THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE OF ALL THESE ILLICIT ACTIVITIES ARE HAPPENING, THAT'S, WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S HOW THE, UH, POLICY DISCUSSION CAME UP.
THERE WAS A SERIES OF THEN DISCUSSIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE GENUINELY SCARED.
UM, DURING THE SAME TIME WE STARTED DISCUSSING THIS HERE ON THE COUNCIL EARLIER THIS YEAR, UM, THERE WAS A SHOOTING AT, AT SIX IN THE MORNING, 5 45 AT ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS OVER BY B STREET, UH, 24 25 GUNSHOTS, UM, IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT HAPPENED EARLY IN THE WEEK.
BY THE WEEKEND, THERE WAS A PARTY.
AND, AND SO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE A POLICY, UM, UH, ENABLED A LOT OF THESE BAD OWNERS TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN THE CITY.
AND ULTIMATELY, FOLKS ARE WELCOME TO COME HERE.
THEY'RE WELCOME TO INVEST HERE, BUT YOU MUST RESPECT THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE IN, AND WE MUST RESPECT OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND SO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE ENTIRE COUNCIL AND, UH, MAYOR STAFF, UH, FOR WORKING ON THIS DILIGENTLY FOR OVER A YEAR NOW.
UM, I'M GLAD WE'RE FINALLY HERE.
UH, JUST A FINAL KIND OF QUESTION.
WHEN CAN WE EXPECT IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS POLICY IF, IF PASSED TODAY? I KNOW I BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME, DAVID, YOU MIGHT NOT BE THE PERSON FOR THIS, BUT, WELL, WELL, TYPICALLY, WHEN AN ORDINANCE IS PASSED, UM, IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE, UM, 30 DAYS AFTER PASSAGE MM-HMM
UM, AT WHICH POINT, UM, OR NEXT CITY STAFF WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT POLICIES IN PLACE TO IMPLEMENT WHAT HAS BEEN PASSED.
BUT ONCE IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE, IT IS INDEED THE, ESSENTIALLY THE CITY LAW.
SO WE'D HAVE TO WORK ON MAKING SURE THOSE POLICIES, UM, HAPPEN IN A TIMELY MANNER.
UM, I DO UNDERSTAND WE'RE WORKING WITH A THIRD PARTY AGENCY TO TRY TO HELP US TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE, THERE'S A PROCESS FOR FOLKS TO APPLY AND, AND, UM, ACTUALLY HAVE A PERMIT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS FAMILIAR? YEAH, IT, IT, LET ME ADDRESS THAT.
I, SO WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE ROLLOUT OF THIS AND, AND A NUMBER OF OTHER ITEMS, INCLUDING OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
AND, UM, INITIALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS ITEM AS BEING, YOU KNOW, IN PLACE
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AND IMPLEMENTED BY THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, BUT PROBABLY EVEN SOONER THAN THAT.UH, DEFINITELY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR OUR PD.
UM, ALONG WITH OUR HUMAN TRAFFICKING TASK FORCE AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THEY WERE ABLE TO SHUT DOWN NUMEROUS OF THESE LOCATIONS A FEW MONTHS BACK.
AND, UH, JUST FROM WALKING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN AND SPEAKING WITH RESIDENTS, PEOPLE ARE SO RELIEVED.
AND SO THANK YOU ALL FOR, FOR YOUR GREAT WORK.
UM, WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT ITEM, UH, 9.2.
SECOND, WE HAVE MOTION AND SECOND, UH, QUESTION.
SO IN THIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT CAPPING IT AT 45 PER DISTRICT.
IF RIGHT NOW THERE ARE 55 IN ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS, HOW DO WE DETERMINE IT DOWN TO 45? WHAT, HOW, HOW DO YOU SAY WHICH ONES CAN AND WHICH ONES CAN'T? WELL, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
BASICALLY, THE FIRST PART OF THAT IS HOW WE START GETTING THE, UM, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THE PERMITS IN MM-HMM
WHOEVER'S FILLING OUT THEIR PERMIT, GETTING IT IN PLACE SO WE CAN IMPROVE IT.
UH, FIRST ONE'S IN START, THAT'S WHO WE'RE GONNA START COUNTING.
WE GET TO A POINT, WE'RE AT 45 THEN, RIGHT NOW, WE WOULDN'T ISSUE ANY MORE IN THAT DISTRICT.
SO IF, IF THEY'RE INTERESTED, GET ON IT QUICK AND, UH, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
OTHERWISE, THEY WOULD'VE SHUT DOWN.
NO, I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE BRING THAT OUT.
UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE BEGINNING.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT TO PUNISH ANY OF OUR, UH, GOOD LANDLORDS.
UH, THIS IS BASICALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE GOOD LANDLORDS THAT WE HAVE THAT DO IT, THERE IS A PLACE FOR, UH, FOR THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS, UH, IN A COMMUNITY.
BUT AS LONG AS THEY ARE DONE WITH RESPECT AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEY'RE PUT TOGETHER AND OVERSEEING THINGS ALONG THAT LINE, UM, THEY, UH, BUT I SAY, BUT THEY ARE THERE.
ALSO, THE REGULATIONS ARE ALSO THERE TO WEED OUT THE BAD ACTORS.
AND WE GOT SOME OF THOSE TOO, AND THEY GIVE THE OTHERS A BAD NAME.
SO ALL OF A SUDDEN, ALL SHORT TERM RENTALS BECOME BAD, WHICH IS RIDICULOUS.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN THIS SO THAT WE BALANCE THAT OUT SO WE DON'T BECOME SO ONEROUS ON THOSE THAT ARE DOING A GOOD JOB, BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS AND PROVIDING A SERVICE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, DON'T BE SO LAX THAT IT ALLOWS OTHERS TO GET AWAY WITH BEING BAD NEIGHBORS.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND CAUSING ALL THE PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, AND BECOMING THE PARTY HOUSE ON THAT, ON THAT BLOCK TYPE OF THING.
UM, ANOTHER THING, YOU KNOW, I REALLY DO WANT TO THANK OUR, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW SOMETIMES HOW SOME OF THESE THINGS WORK.
UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I KNOW WAS, UH, WAS ALREADY BRINGING THIS IDEA FORWARD, I DON'T KNOW, A YEAR AND A HALF, AT LEAST A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT GOT IN THE WAY, AND WE COULDN'T TALK ABOUT IT AT THAT TIME BECAUSE THERE WAS A, UH, AN INVESTIGATION GOING ON THAT WAS BEYOND LOCAL, LOCAL INVESTIGATION THAT WAS A STATE AND FEDERAL LO AND WE COULDN'T BLOW THE COVER ON THAT AND LET, WE HAD TO LET THAT RUN ITS COURSE.
AND SO WE WERE TOLD TO KIND OF KEEP OUR MOUTHS SHUT, UH, AND, UH, POLITELY IN, IN GOVERNMENT TERMS, AND TO ALLOW THAT TO GO, YOU KNOW, TO WORK ITS COURSE, WHICH IT HAS NOW.
AND A LOT OF THOSE THINGS WERE RATED SHUT DOWN, EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND, BUT, BUT, AS I SAY, BUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALREADY HAD THIS TOOL READY TO GO IN THE TOOLBOX.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DO WANT TO THANK THEM FOR HEADING THIS THING UP ALREADY WITH IT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY HAD THEIR HANDS TIED.
WELL, COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE MAY HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT, BUT WE COULDN'T SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS THIS ONGOING IN INVESTIGATION THAT WAS GOING ON THAT WE COULDN'T, UH, UH, WE COULDN'T GET IN THE WAY OF THAT.
SOMETIMES YOU GUYS DON'T GET CREDIT, UH, WHEN YOU GUYS ARE, UH, DOING, UH, DOING SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE.
SO, ONCE AGAIN, UM, THANK YOU FOR COMING UP WITH THIS.
UM, WITH THAT, WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE.
[9.3 Public Hearing: Second Reading and Adoption of an Ordinance Amending Title 15 (Buildings And Construction) of the National City Municipal Code Creating a New Section (15.83 – Lot Tie Agreements).]
GO ON TO, UM, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.THIS IS A SECOND READING AND ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE.
TITLE 15 BUILDINGS OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE SAN DIEGO MUNICIPAL CODE, CREATING A NEW SECTION, 15.83, WHICH IS A LOT TIE AGREEMENT.
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UM, LET'S SEE IF I GOT ANYTHING ON THIS ONE.UM, ANY, UH, ANY STAFF COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? UH, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS THE SECOND READING.
IT WAS INTRODUCED AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, THERE WERE NO MODIFICATIONS TO THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE, SO STAFF HAS NOTHING TO PRESENT AT THIS TIME.
UH, WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE TO SPEAK.
UM, DOYLE MORRISON AND ALICIA MORRISON.
UH, LOT MERGERS AND LOT TIE AGREEMENTS, MAN.
IF THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO BUILD ON TWO ADJACENT LOTS, THEN CHARGE THEM THE FEES TO MERGE THE LOTS.
IF AT A LATER TIME THEY WANT TO DEMOLISH THEIR BUILDINGS AND SPLIT THE LOTS, CHARGE 'EM FEES FOR THIS.
IF THERE ARE LOT TIE AGREEMENTS, DON'T THE DEVELOPERS GET AWAY WITHOUT PAYING NATIONAL CITY FOR THE MERGER FEES.
NATIONAL CITY GIVES DEVELOPERS SPECIAL TREATMENT THAT CREATE MORE OF A DEFICIT FOR NATIONAL CITY.
THIS ITEM, THE ADOPTION OF THIS OR ORDINANCE SCREAMS FINANCIAL FAVORS FOR DEVELOPERS.
I AM MENTIONING THIS, UH, BECAUSE JUST, YOU JUST ADOPTED HIGHER DEVELOPMENT FEES SCHEDULED THAT WENT INTO EFFECT ON AUGUST 6TH.
SO WHY ARE YOU NOT KEEPING WITH IT WITH THIS CITY'S CURRENT DEFICIT AT A HISTORIC LEVEL? CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW, UH, THERE IS NO BUDGET IN BACK AS A RESULT OF THIS ACTION? HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD A LOT TIE AGREEMENT VERSUS A TYPICAL LOT MERGER? SAVE DEVELOPERS AND TAKE BADLY NEEDED MONEY AWAY FROM THE CITY, FOR EXAMPLE, FOUR EMPTY PARCELS AT A CORNER, UH, OF SWEETWATER IN ORANGE.
CAN YOU TELL US HOW MUCH BADLY NEEDED MONEY WOULD BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THE CITY? TO STATE THAT THIS IS A CONVENIENCE IS ONLY STATING THAT IT GIVES FINANCIAL AND BENEFICIAL CONVENIENCE FOR DEVELOPERS, PERHAPS FAVORED ONES TO REQUIRE DEMOLITION IN THE EVENT THAT THESE PROPERTIES WERE EVER TO BE SOLD SEPARATELY WOULD BE A WASTE OF BUILDING RESOURCES, WHICH MANY COME FROM THE ENVIRONMENT.
LUMBER, COPPER PIPING, ELECTRICAL WIRING, THAT ARE NOW SUBJECT TO HIGHER TARIFFS.
PLEASE THINK CAREFULLY AND USE GOOD JUDGMENT.
REJECT THE RECOMMENDATION OF CREATING A NEW SECTION 15.83.
UH, THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE FOR PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
WITH THAT, UM, COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO, MOVE.
AND MAYOR, FOR THE RECORD, ALICIA MORRISON ALSO PROVIDED A WRITTEN COMMENT AS WELL.
MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.
SO NOW WE HAVE, UH, YOU HAVE THE SECOND READING ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE BEFORE US.
WHAT IS YOUR COMMENTS OR DECISIONS? WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO DO.
'CAUSE I HAD A VERY, UH, LONG BRIEFING WITH COUNCIL AND CITY, UH, MANAGER ABOUT THIS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AS YOU CAN READ CHAPTER 15 POINT 83, THIS IS ONLY FOR OWNERS WHO HAVE THIS, WHO ARE RECORD OWNER OF THOSE SLOTS OR THOSE PARCELS.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT, IT SAYS NO COST, NO, UM, UM, NO FISCAL IMPACT OR NO BUDGET IMPACT BECAUSE IT'S A, UH, IT'S A TITLE CHANGE OR A, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A SIMPLE TITLE CHANGE FOR THE OWNERS OF THE LOT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I, I HAD TO CONSIDER IT BECAUSE THAT WILL HELP US EXPEDITE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PROPERTY OF, OR, OR PARCELS, PARCEL OR PARCELS THAT ARE OWNED BY THE SAME, UH, TITLE HOLDER.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I CONSIDERED IT THAT, UM, I CONSIDERED TO, TO APPROVE THIS, UH, THIS, UH, AGENDA ITEM, MAYOR.
AND I, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO REALIZE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CHARGE AND A FEE.
UM, FROM A STANDPOINT OF A CITY, THE FEE IS ONLY FOR WHAT WORK WE HAVE TO DO TO RE RECOUP THE COST.
YOU DON'T GET TO MAKE MONEY OFF A FEE.
AND SO, SO IF THERE IS NO WORK
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HAS TO BE DONE, THEN THERE'S NO FEE.AND SO, UH, SO YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE EXTRA WORK TO BE DONE, THEN THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR FEE.
IN THIS CASE, YOU'RE ELIMINATING THE, THE UNNECESSARY WORK, THEREFORE, THERE'S NO FEE AND THERE'S NO COST TO IT.
SO THERE'S NO, UM, YOU KNOW, SO YOU, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A LOSS TO THE CITY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T PUT, HAD TO PUT IN THE EXTRA WORK TO DO IT.
UM, AND SO THERE'S NOT A CHARGE THAT GOES WITH IT.
UM, OKAY, SO WHAT IS, WHAT ALL IS YOUR PLEASURE? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, MS. MAYOR.
UM, I BELIEVE, I MEAN, THIS IS THE SECOND READING, SO WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THIS, UM, LAST COUNCIL MEETING.
AND, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTERS ON THIS ISSUE.
IT IS COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE WHY, UH, THERE'S HESITATION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD CONSIDERING, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE DYNAMICS IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, IN GENERAL, I AM VERY MUCH SUPPORTIVE OF DEVELOPMENT AND MAKING IT EASIER FOR THOSE TO DEVELOP SO LONG AS THEY GO THROUGH A VERY, UH, UM, GOOD COMMUNITY ENGAGING PROCESS.
AND SO I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF DOING SO.
AND THERE ARE, UH, MANY LOTS THAT ARE UNDERDEVELOPED OR UNDEVELOPED THAT ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE DENSER PROJECTS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE HOUSING THAT OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS.
SO, UM, FOR THOSE REASONS, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF IT SO LONG AS THERE IS A, UH, ROBUST PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS THOUGHT OF THOROUGHLY THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
WITH THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT ITEM.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ADOPTION.
SEEING NO DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE.
[9.4 Public Hearing – Second Reading and Adoption of an Amendment of NCMC 9.38 Establishing a Tobacco Retail License Program]
WE GO TO NINE FOURTH.IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, A SECOND READING ADOPTION OF AN AMENDMENT TO THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL CODE 9.38, ESTABLISHING A TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE PROGRAM.
THIS IS THE DAVID WELS PROGRAM TONIGHT,
UH, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS PUBLIC.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS THE SECOND READING.
UM, THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT, UM, ADDING LANGUAGE RELATED TO COMPLIANCE CHECKS, UM, THAT WAS ADDED TO, UH, THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE.
UM, IN ADDITION, UH, THE COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI REQUESTED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, ABOUT TOBACCO RETAILING.
UM, THAT MAP AND INFORMATION CAME INTO ME PRETTY LATE TODAY, SO I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO, UH, THE DIOCESE TO, TO OBSERVE.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO ASSIST.
SEEING NO QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT, WE WILL GO IN AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS.
LET'S START WITH PAUL WADOWSKI AND THEN JORGE GARCIA, AND THEN, UH, ED NETTO.
UM, AGAIN, PAUL KOWSKI, A RESIDENT TEACHER AT SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL.
BEHIND ME HERE, I HAVE GWEN AND, AND SOPHIA.
THEY'RE TWO AWESOME RED DEVIL'S, UH, BRAND NEW PEER MEDIATORS, AND ALSO A PART OF THE TOBACCO USE PREVENTION EDUCATION CLUB AT SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL.
UH, THE TWO OF THEM ALONG WITH ME AND RED DEVILS ALL OVER THE PLACE, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES WITH, UH, VAPING, HOW PERVASIVE IT IS ON OUR CAMPUS.
I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DAILY.
IF YOU TALK TO, UH, AN ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL AT SWEETWATER RIGHT NOW, THEY TELL YOU THAT IT WAS, IT'S A DAILY OCCURRENCE WHEN THEY'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH STUDENTS AND PUT THEM THROUGH THE PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE.
UM, SO IT'S JUST, IT'S A CONSTANT, IT'S A CONSTANT THING.
UH, STUDENTS IN THEIR, YOU KNOW, IN THEIR COMMON SPACES, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO BE STRATEGIC ABOUT WANTING TO GO TO THE RESTROOM, BECAUSE SO MUCH STUFF'S HAPPENING IN THE RESTROOMS, WHETHER IT'S TOBACCO, VAPES, OR THE WEED.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A REAL PROBLEM.
SO THIS IS A BIG FIRST STEP, LIKE ONE STEP, RIGHT? UH, IN STARTING TO TRY TO, TO MAKE THIS LESS ACCESSIBLE TO, TO TEENS.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN TACKLE THE OTHER ISSUES IN THE WAY THEY'RE GETTING 'EM, YOU KNOW, YOUNG KIDS ARE ON OUR SITE SELLING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CERTAINLY USING.
UM, AND SO IT'S, IT'S JUST PART OF, OF TAKING THE, THIS CONVERSATION ANOTHER DIRECTION AFTER WE TAKE CARE OF THIS STEP, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE EXCITED TO COME AND SUPPORT AND BE HERE FOR YOUR YES.
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UH, JORGE GARCIA, FOLLOWED BY NIETO, FOLLOWED BY MANUEL.AND, UH, THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVISTS FOR, FOR THIS AGAINST TOBACCOS.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA TOUCH ON THIS REALLY, UH, MARY, YOU, YOU SPOKE ABOUT FEES AND COSTS, AND THESE SMALL BUSINESSES ARE CONSTANTLY GETTING HIT WITH SMALL, SMALL RISES ON PRICES.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A DEATH BY A THOUSAND CUTS.
BUT I DO AGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE SIGNS.
I DO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD TREAT 'EM LIKE DISPENSARIES CLOSE THE DOORS.
YOU KNOW, I DO AGREE WITH THAT, BUT ONE THING THAT I REALLY, THAT REALLY STUCK OUT TO ME WAS TOBACCO.
CALIFORNIA MAKES ABOUT ONE POINT, YEAH, $1.3 BILLION ON TOBACCO, BUT YET, 82% OF THAT GOES TO MEDI-CAL.
AND THEN THERE'S 11% FOR PREVENTION.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING ON TREATMENT.
AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE INSTEAD REALLY NEED TO START TAKING CARE OF ALL THE MINORS IN THAT ARE CONSUMING TOBACCO.
IF YOU WANT THE GENERATION TO CHANGE, STOP PENALIZING AND START TREATING.
STOP THE BLEEDING, AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS AND STOP SHAMING EVERYBODY WHO SMOKES.
RIGHT? THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY NEXT.
UH, NEXT WE HAVE NIETO, FOLLOWED BY MANUEL ANDRA, FOLLOWED BY IRMA HERNANDEZ.
I'VE, UM, I'VE COME HERE BEFORE, UH, WITH THIS TOPIC.
AND MY QUESTION IS THIS, IS, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I CAN'T TELL WHAT THE OUTCOME IS.
IS THE OUTCOME TO REDUCE AND ASK THESE KIDS WHO CAME AND SAY, LOOK, CAN WE PUT THIS ORDINANCE IN A YEAR FROM NOW? CAN WE EXPECT THAT THE SCHOOLS THAT THEY MAYBE CAN GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK AND TELL US, LOOK, MAYBE BECAUSE WE PUT THIS ORDINANCE IN SMOKING WAS REDUCED, OR IS THE OUTCOME TO LOOK AT PEOPLE'S CELL PHONES, WHAT WE'RE TALKING, AND NOT LISTENING TO THE, TO THE SPEAKERS WHO ARE TALKING? SO, UM,
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME IS FOR THIS, UH, MEASURE.
I, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD MEASURE WHEN YOU MEASURE BUSINESSES OR SELLING CIGARETTES TO KIDS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE REAL OUTCOME OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR HERE.
WHAT IS IT? BUSINESSES OR LOOKING AT HEALTH, HEALTH FOR KIDS.
NEXT WE HAVE EMMANUEL ANDRADE.
WE FOLLOWED BY IRMA HERNANDEZ.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, STAFF AND EVERYONE, AND, UM, THE CHAMBERS.
MY NAME IS MANUELA ANDRA, UM, THE NATIONAL CITY COALITION FOR OUR BETTER HEALTH MANAGER.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, WERE RAISED AT THE FIRST RATING, UH, LAST MONTH.
UH, ONE WAS SOME PROGRAMS, SU SUSTAINABILITY.
TLS PROGRAMS HAVE, UH, MULTIPLE, UH, STREAMS TO ENSURE LONG-TERM, UH, SUSTAINABILITY.
THE SECOND ONE IS THE DOJ GRANT THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE.
THERE'S 230 CITIES THAT THEY, THEY HAVE TLS, WE DON'T KNOW OF A CITY.
THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED A GRANT.
THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO HAVE A 0.1 0.3 MILLION GRAND FOR THREE YEARS.
UM, THERE'S OTHER, FRESNO HAS, I THINK IT'S 1.4 MILLION.
SO THERE'S PLENTY OF MONEY THAT WE CAN ALSO GET FROM, FROM THOSE GRANTS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF EL CAJON IS UPSETTING.
THAT MONEY THAT THEY, IF THEY DON'T HAVE, THEN THE PENALTIES WILL COVER THAT COST FOR ENFORCEMENT AND OTHER ACTIVITIES.
AND THEN FINALLY, COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS, UH, NONPROFITS, UNIVERSITIES, LOCAL, UH, POLICE ACADEMIES.
THEY CAN ALWAYS HELP WITH THESE DECOY OPERATIONS SURVEYS, UH, UH, AND, AND OTHER ACTIVITIES.
UH, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 20 PLUS YEARS.
UH, IF I COME HERE, OR THE ASSESSMENTS THAT I CAN DO HERE IN, IN, IN, IN, IN NATIONAL CITY, I CAN DO 50 TO 50 STORES IN ONE WEEK FOR COMPLIANCE CHECKS, RIGHT? THERE'S, IF THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
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PROBABLY MORE TIME, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, ADMINISTRATION AND THE PROCESS OF THE LICENSEES AND ALL THAT STUFF.THAT PROBABLY WILL TAKE MORE THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT, TIME FOR THAT.
UH, IRMA HERNANDEZ, WE FOLLOWED BY GLORIA SN JOSE.
HI, MY NAME IS HERMA HERNANDEZ, AND I AM A NATIONAL CITY RESIDENT, AND I CHAIR THE NATIONAL CITY COALITION FOR BETTER HEALTH.
AND WE ARE HERE TODAY TO THANK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE HELPED US PROTECT OUR YOUTH AGAINST THE ILLEGAL SALE OF FLAVORED, UH, TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND VAPING PRODUCTS.
I WANT TO PARTICULARLY THANK JOSE RODRIGUEZ FOR SUPPORTING THIS INITIATIVE.
DITAS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SUPPORTING OUR YOUTH AND SUPPORTING OUR COALITION.
MARCUS BUSH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN FOR OUR YOUTH.
I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE CHILDREN, SO YOU ALSO UNDERSTAND OUR PLIGHT.
I'M SORRY MR. MORRISON, FOR NOT THANKING YOU, BUT YOU'VE NEVER SUPPORTED OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THE TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSES TO MAKE, UH, SELLERS MORE RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE.
WE HAVE A TRANSLATION, PLEASE, CARLOS.
I AM VERY PLEASED TO BE HERE, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH THE NEWS THAT YOU'LL BE HELPING AND SUPPORTING OUR YOUTH WITH YOUR DECISION THIS EVENING.
AND TODAY MY HEART IS FILLED WITH JOY, SEEING ALL OF THESE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO WILL BE BETTER OFF THANKS TO THIS PROGRAM.
SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.
WE HAVE ONE OTHER SPEAKER, UH, CALISSA.
I THINK HIS PLACEMENT, UH, SPOKE IN FAVOR AND DID NOT WANT TO SPEAK.
AS A PUBLIC HEALTH ADVOCATE AND MOTHER OF THREE YOUNG CHILDREN, I'M HERE TO ALSO VOICE MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR IMPLEMENTING A TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSING PROGRAM IN NATIONAL CITY.
THIS IS A COMMON SENSE, COMMUNITY FOCUSED STEP THAT EMPOWERS US TO REDUCE YOUTH ACCESS TO HARMFUL NICOTINE PRODUCTS AND TO HOLD RETAILERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR HOW THESE PRODUCTS ARE MARKETED AND SOLD.
NEARLY 90% OF ADULT SMOKERS STARTED BEFORE THE AGE OF 18.
NICOTINE IS ONE OF THE MOST ADDICTIVE SUBSTANCES OUT THERE.
AND WHEN YOUNG PEOPLE ARE EXPOSED EARLY, IT ALERTS THEIR DEVELOPING BRAINS, SETTING THEM UP FOR A LIFETIME OF ADDICTION.
THAT ADDICTION BRINGS WITH IT A HOST OF LONG-TERM HEALTH RISKS, INCLUDING HEART DISEASE, CANCER, AND LUNG DISEASE.
THAT'S WHY FOR DECADES, THESE COMPANIES HAVE DELIBERATELY
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TARGETED YOUTH, NOT JUST WITH ADS, BUT NOW WITH FLAVORED VAPES THAT TASTE LIKE CANDY PACKAGING THAT MIMICS POPULAR SNACKS AND DIGITAL MARKETING DESIGNED TO APPEAL TO TEENS.THEY'RE CALCULATED STRATEGIES TO HOOK THE NEXT GENERATION OF CUSTOMERS.
A LOCAL TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE GIVES NATIONAL CITY THE TOOLS TO FIGHT BACK.
IT ALLOWS US TO SET CLEAR ENFORCEABLE RULES ABOUT HOW AND WHERE THESE PRODUCTS ARE SOLD.
IT STRENGTHENS ENFORCEMENT AGAINST ILLEGAL SALES TO MINORS, AND IT CREATES A SYSTEM TO HOLD BUSINESSES ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY PUT PROFITS OVER PUBLIC HEALTH.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT PENALIZING RESPONSIBLE RETAILERS.
IT'S ABOUT PROTECTING OUR YOUNG PEOPLE AND MAKING SURE NATIONAL CITY IS A PLACE WHERE KIDS COME FIRST.
I URGE YOU TO ADOPT THE RETAIL LICENSING PROGRAM AND TAKE THIS IMPORTANT STEP TOWARD A HEALTHIER FUTURE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS EMILY MILLER, AND I'M THE COMMUNITY IMPACT DIRECTOR FOR THE AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION AND SAN DIEGO COUNTY.
I WOULD FIRST LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR MOVING THIS ORDINANCE TO A SECOND READING.
I'M SO HAPPY TO SEE THE CRL MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I SUPPORT THE CURRENT DRAFT AS WRITTEN, BUT I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT IT COULD BE STRENGTHENED BY ADDING A PENALTY FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE.
ROUTINE INSPECTIONS ARE CRITICAL TO PREVENTING UNDERAGE ACCESS TO TOBACCO COMPLIANCE CHECKS WITH A MEANINGFUL PENALTY FOR VIOLATIONS.
DETER ILLEGAL SALES, HELP IDENTIFY BAD ACTORS, AND REINFORCE THE IMPORTANCE OF RETAILER ACCOUNTABILITY.
PENALTIES MUST BE MORE THAN SYMBOLIC.
A CONSEQUENCE FOR THE FIRST VIOLATION SENDS A CLEAR MESSAGE THAT PROTECTING YOUTH IS A NON-NEGOTIABLE.
OUR YOUTH ARE INCREASINGLY USING PRODUCTS LIKE E-CIGARETTES THAT CAN LEAD TO LIFELONG ADDICTION.
AS JUST MENTIONED, WE KNOW THAT ADULT TOBACCO USERS STARTED TO USUALLY START BEFORE THE AGE OF 18.
THAT'S WHY LOCAL LICENSING POLICY WITH ENFORCEMENT IS ESSENTIAL.
IT'S HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE TOBACCO DOESN'T FIND ITS WAY INTO KIDS' HANDS.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND DEDICATION TO OUR COMMUNITY.
AND MAYOR, WE HAVE, UH, ONE WRITTEN COMMENT FROM KAYLEE
SO THAT IS THE END OF PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, MOTION TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OH, DID YOU GET YOUR I DID, I DID, BUT IT DIDN'T SHOW UP THAT I DID.
UH, THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS.
THANK YOU FOR ALWAYS BEING PRESENT FOR THIS ITEM.
UM, ALSO, UM, OUR SPEAKERS THAT HAVE CONSISTENTLY, UH, ADDRESSED US ON ZOOM.
UM, WE ARE COMING TO THE REALITY OF A TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE PROGRAM HERE IN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY.
AND IT IS CERTAINLY BECAUSE OF A LOT OF YOUR ADVOCACY.
SO, UM, ALSO THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL HERE, SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL, AND OUR TWO, UM, MIDDLE SCHOOL AND, AND, UH, JUNIOR HIGH.
UM, I HAVE HEARD CONCERNS FROM STUDENTS IN THE, AND THE TEACHERS AS WELL, UH, AT THE SCHOOLS.
AND SO TO KNOW THAT, UH, THERE ARE SOME STEPS THAT ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN TO HELP MINIMIZE THAT ACCESS, UH, TO TOBACCO AND VAPING PRODUCTS TO OUR YOUTH IS, UM, IS A POSITIVE.
UM, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION AND ONE, UH, CHANGE THAT I AM PROPOSING TO THE LANGUAGE, UM, TO THE TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE PROGRAM, UH, ORDINANCE.
AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH SECTION 9.3 8.140 CONCERNING COMPLIANCE MONITORING.
I RECALL TWO WEEKS AGO, WE DISCUSSED BRIEFLY THE CHANGE IN, UM, THE STATEMENT FROM THE CITY SHALL CONDUCT TWO COMPLIANCE, UH, CHECKS PER 12 MONTH PERIOD.
UM, I, I THINK THE, THE INTENT IS FOR THIS TO BE DONE VIA A DECOY.
AND WE WENT THROUGH A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, THE CITY CHANGING THAT FROM THE CITY SHALL CONDUCT TWO TO THE CITY MAY CONDUCT TWO.
AND, AND I WAS, UM, EXPECTING TO SEE THE CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT'S NOT HALF, IT WASN'T, IT'S NOT IN THE LANGUAGE NOW.
SO, UH, I'M BRINGING THE DISCUSSION BACK UP BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A SALIENT POINT.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT MAKING THIS CHANGE WILL WEAKEN THE ORDINANCE IN, IN ANY REGARD.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT IT, IT'LL REMOVE THE COMPLIANCE CHECKS, YOU KNOW, OR AT LEAST THE, UM,
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INTENT OF COMPLIANCE, UH, THAT TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE OR TOBACCO RETAILERS WILL NEED TO, UH, BE RESPONSIBLE FOR.UM, WE WILL STILL BE PROTECTING YOUTH TO THE HIGHEST DEGREE, UH, BUT BY CHANGING THE CITY SHALL TO THE CITY MAY, IT DOES HELP THE ESTABLISHING THE PROGRAM HERE.
UH, THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, THIS IS A BRAND NEW PROGRAM WE'RE DOING FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME.
AND IT DOES GIVE THE CITY A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY, UM, TO, TO GAIN THAT MAXIMUM SUCCESS.
SO, AGAIN, MY BELIEF IS IT DOESN'T WEAKEN THE ORDINANCE, THE NEED FOR COMPLIANCE, BECAUSE VERY POSSIBLY WE WILL DO TWO DECOY COMPLIANCE CHECKS.
UM, BUT IT'LL HELP THE CITY TO HAVE IT STATE THAT WE MAY DO TO, UM, VERSUS SHALL DO TO.
AND THAT WAY IT DOES OPEN THE DOOR FOR THE CITY TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, BECOME A LITTLE BIT MORE FAMILIAR AND, AND MUCH MORE, UM, READY TO MAXIMIZE IT TO THE TWO.
UH, BUT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, IT WON'T PENALIZE OR THE CITY WON'T, UH, YOU KNOW, BE DOING SOMETHING, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD POTENTIALLY BE MORE COSTLY THAN EXPECTED.
SO, AT THE VERY BEGINNING, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT CHANGE AGAIN FOR COMPLIANCE MONITORING IN, UM, 9.3 8.140 ON SECTION C CURRENTLY, IT SAYS, THE CITY SHALL CONDUCT UP TO TWO COMPLIANCE CHECKS PER 12 MONTH PERIOD.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE CITY, UH, RESOURCES AND CHANGE THAT TO THE CITY MAY CONDUCT UP TO TWO COMPLIANCE CHECKS PER 12 MONTH PERIOD.
IS, IS THAT A MOTION OR IS THAT SURE.
UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE, UH, ORDINANCE WITH THE CHANGE TO THE LANGUAGE THAT I JUST STATED IN, UH, SECTION C OF 9.3 8.140 FROM THE CITY SHALL TO THE CITY JUST IN THAT ONE AREA, THE CITY.
UM, IF I COULD COMMENT, UM, SO THIS IS A, A SECOND READING.
UM, ANY CHANGES MADE TO A SECOND READING, UM, HAVE TO BE MINOR, MINOR CHANGES.
IF IN FACT YOU MAKE ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES, THEN IT'LL HAVE TO BE REINTRODUCED TONIGHT AND THEN ADOPTED AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
THE CHANGE THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING IS A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE, AND THEREFORE, TONIGHT'S ACTION WOULD ACTUALLY BE REINTRODUCTION OF THE ORDINANCE WITH YOUR PROPOSED CHANGE.
THANK YOU CITY ATTORNEY FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
UM, I AM OKAY WITH, UH, REINTRODUCING THIS ORDINANCE, UH, FOR THE PURPOSES OF UPDATING THAT LANGUAGE.
UM, AND AGAIN, I I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL CAUSE ANY WEAKNESS IN OUR ORDINANCE.
I THINK IT'LL JUST FACILITATE THE CITY TO RUN AN EFFICIENT, UH, PROGRAM FROM THE GET GO AND BE SUCCESSFUL, UM, AND GET TO THOSE MAXIMUM GOALS.
UH, SO MY, DO I NEED TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE IN MY MOTION? YEAH, I THINK YOU MADE IT, YOU, YOUR MOTION TALKED ABOUT ADOPTION.
SO LET'S JUST CALL IT REINTRODUCTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REINTRODUCE OUR, UM, ORDINANCE FOR A TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE PROGRAM, UM, WITH THE CHANGE IN, AGAIN, SECTION 9.3, 8.140, SECTION C FROM THE CITY SHALL TO THE CITY MAY.
I'LL SECOND THAT FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR, UH, FROM MY, MY COLLEAGUES, I ACTUALLY HAD A SIMILAR, UH, QUESTION THAT I WOULD LIKE CITY STAFF TO, TO BRING UP.
SO LAST WEEK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH.
I KNOW, SCOTT, YOU BROUGHT UP SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH ENFORCEMENT.
SO WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN OUR BRIEFING TODAY WAS THAT THE, FROM THE SHALL TO MAY, THE, THE PROBLEM THAT YOU HA THAT STAFF, THE CONCERN THE STAFF HAS WITH THE SHALL IS THAT IN NO OTHER, UM, ENFORCEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY, WE DON'T HAVE THAT LANGUAGE, THAT TYPE OF LANGUAGE BAKED INTO OUR ORDINANCE.
AND YOU WERE DESCRIBING, AND YOU ALL WERE DESCRIBING SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THAT COULD CAUSE IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT.
SO CAN YOU, UH, TALK TO US A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT AND CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION FROM, FROM, UH, FROM OUR, OUR LAST, OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, WELL, IT IS A POLICY DECISION.
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NOT AWARE OF, I'M FRANKLY NOT AWARE OF IT ANYWHERE, IN ANY JURISDICTION WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING A PROGRAM IN PLACE THAT YOU'RE DICTATING, YOU KNOW, INSPECTION AND, AND REACTIONARY THINGS FOR YOUR STAFF TO DO THAT, THAT IS PUT IN PLACE BY A SHELL.UH, GENERALLY YOU'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT WHAT THE INTENT IS.
UM, BUT FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, UH, ONE, YOU'RE ADOPTING A FEE, DOESN'T HAVE A BASIS IN A FEE STUDY.
WE'RE STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO THAT ANALYSIS, AND WE NEED TO PUT THIS PROGRAM TOGETHER.
AND I THINK FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT INTERNALLY, TRYING TO MATCH THIS PROGRAM UP WITH OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE IN CODE ENFORCEMENT, WE ARE FINDING THAT BECAUSE IT'S A MANDATE, YOU'RE BASICALLY MANDATING THIS TO OCCUR, WHICH I, WHICH WE GET, AND AGAIN, THAT'S A POLICY ISSUE THAT IS NOT SIMILAR TO ANY OTHER ENFORCEMENT THAT WE DO.
AND SO, UM, THERE'S A VERY BIG QUESTION IN OUR MINDS WHETHER OR NOT THE REVENUE THAT IS BEING PREDICTED BY THE, UH, INITIAL FEE IS ENOUGH TO EVEN COVER NOT EVEN THE ENFORCEMENT PART, JUST THE LICENSING AND PERMITTING.
AND THERE IS OTHER REVENUE OUT THERE.
UM, IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE A PARTNER HELPING US GET THAT OTHER REVENUE.
AND IN FACT, I LIKE THE IDEA, ALTHOUGH WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT GEAR PROGRAM AROUND THE REVENUE WE GET, WE GET MORE REVENUE IN BECAUSE OF OTHER GRANTS.
WE'LL BE MORE, WE'LL HAVE MORE RESOURCES TO DO THIS.
BUT I THINK AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH A HUGE AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AREA, ALL OF WHICH ARE SIGNIFICANT JUST LIKE THIS IS.
UM, AND TRYING TO DO THAT WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE.
I, I CAN TELL YOU THE RESOURCES THAT YOU'RE ADOPTING AS PART OF THIS ORDINANCE IS NOT ENOUGH TO FACILITATE THIS SHELL THAT YOU'RE REQUIRING US TO DO.
'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY EVALUATED THAT PART.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE MY COMMENT WAS COMING TWO WEEKS AGO.
'CAUSE WE ALREADY KIND OF KNEW THAT AND WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT MORE ANALYSIS SINCE THERE.
SO YEAH, I'M OPEN TO THE DIS DISCUSSION.
MY OTHER COLLEAGUES, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS A WHILE, SO I'M KIND OF DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THAT, UH, WE HAVE TO INTRODUCE AGAIN.
SO THANK YOU FOR GIVING US YOUR ILLEGAL OPINION ON THAT.
BUT, UM, YEAH, BECAUSE I, A PART, A PART OF ME TOO, I JUST WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, BUT I ALSO JUST WANT TO BE REALISTIC.
SO YEAH, I'M OPEN TO HEARING MY COLLEAGUES ON THIS.
THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER FOR YOUR, UM, OPINION ON THE MATTER.
UH, I DO BELIEVE, SO FIRST OFF, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, SAY SAN DIEGO STAFF ORGANIZERS STUDENTS, UH, TORES CITY STAFF, AND HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS WHO SIGNED A PETITION, UH, THAT WAS ASKING FOR A TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE IN NATIONAL CITY.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE PARA TOBACCO NATIONAL CITY.
SO, UM, THIS IS AN ONGOING DISCUSSION AND WE MAY JUST BE GETTING INTO SOME OF THE WEEDS OF IT.
BUT ULTIMATELY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE REASON THIS IS BROUGHT UP IS BECAUSE PROPOSITION 31, WHICH WAS A REFERENDUM ON SB 7 93, WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED BY VOTERS STATEWIDE IN NOVEMBER, 2022.
IT WENT INTO EFFECT IN DECEMBER 21ST, 2022.
AND IT ESSENTIALLY OUTLAWS THE SALE OF FLAVORED E-CIGARETTES AND MENTHOL CIGARETTES IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
YET THERE IS NO ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM BY THE STATE, EVEN THOUGH THE VOTERS DECIDED THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT.
THE ENFORCEMENT IS LEFT UP TO THE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS.
AND AS WE SPOKE TO, UH, MANY, UM, INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY, INCLUDING OUR, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING OUR PRINCIPALS, OUR TEACHERS, A A HUGE ISSUE FACING OUR YOUTH IS THIS ADDICTION TO VAPING.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, DRUG AT THE MOMENT IS MUCH MORE POTENT THAN CIGARETTES WERE 20 YEARS AGO, 30 YEARS AGO, 40 YEARS AGO.
AND SO IT IS CREATING, IT IS WREAKING HAVOC AMONG THE HEALTH, MENTAL AND PHYSICAL OF OUR YOUTH.
AND SO, HOW DO WE THEN GET TO THIS? UM, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE ACTUALLY CHECK ON THESE RETAILERS REALIZING THAT IT'S ALREADY STATE LAW AND THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING IT, RIGHT? SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO ACTUALLY HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM.
AND IF THAT MEANS SAYING SHALL, UM, IT, IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT.
UM, I AM OPEN FOR A DISCUSSION OF MAYBE, UM,
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UH, MOVING SHALL VISIT A LOCATION ONCE A YEAR INSTEAD OF TWICE.BUT THAT WAY WE DO HAVE COMPLIANCE CHECKS ON A REGULAR BASIS ON THESE BUSINESSES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT SELLING PRODUCTS THAT ARE ILLEGAL AND THEY'RE NOT SELLING TO YOUTH.
ULTIMATELY, WE NEED TO STAND UP FOR OUR YOUTH AND OUR COMMUNITY.
AS MENTIONED, MANY OF US HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN AND WE REALIZE THIS IS A PROBLEM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE MAKER OF THE MOTION OR THE PERSON THAT SECONDED THE MOTION WOULD BE INTERESTED IN? UH, SO EVERYTHING THAT, THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED REGARDING THE INTENT, UH, I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON THAT.
UH, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS ANY DISPUTE TO ANY OF THE, THE NEED FOR THE, THE COMPLIANCE.
UM, THE PART THAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS HOW THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY IS WITH THE RESOURCES, THE VERY LIMITED RESOURCES THAT IT HAS, HOW IS IT GOING TO ACCOMPLISH, UM, THIS ORDINANCE SUCCESSFULLY? AND SO THAT IS WHY I AM SUGGESTING THE CHANGE IN THE LANGUAGE SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAMSTRINGING NATIONAL CITY TO SUCH A STANDARD.
THAT IS A CHALLENGE WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR CITY MANAGER THAT IN FACT, UH, THIS PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE COSTLY AND, UM, IT'S BRAND NEW.
WE'RE STILL BECOMING FAMILIAR WITH HOW TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT ALL OF THE DETAILS FOR, FOR FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCE.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE OUR CITY STAFF A BREAK.
UM, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT I'M NOT INTERESTED IN COMPLIANCE, ACTUALLY, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I DO.
NINE TO FIVE IS, UH, I'M A COMPLIANCE OFFICER IN EFFECT.
UH, SO, SO I AM INTERESTED IN THE COMPLIANCE AND I AM INTERESTED IN ALSO HELPING THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY BE SUCCESSFUL IN THIS FIRST TRL PROGRAM.
UH, AND, UH, HAVE JUST SOME LEEWAY FOR OUR STAFF, UH, TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM AS BEST AS THEY CAN.
SO I, I WOULD, UM, NOT BE INTERESTED IN CHANGING FROM THE MOTION THAT I, I PROPOSED.
UH, FOR, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M, I'M OPEN AND I APPRECIATE THE, UH, LOOKING AT SHELL, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR ONE TIME.
I, I STILL WORRY THAT THERE'S STILL THE ENFORCE THE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
UM, AND SPECIFICALLY WHAT I WOULD WORRY ABOUT IS IF WE SAY SHALL, AND WE EITHER ARE NOT COMPLYING WITH THAT AND THE IMPLICATIONS THERE, OR THAT WE'RE TAKING, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THAT AND SAY THERE'S A PRIORITY FOR CANNABIS OR ALCOHOL OR SOMETHING OTHER THAT IS ENFORCEMENT, THAT THAT'S WHERE, UM, I, I KINDA HAVE THE WORRY, BUT I WONDER IF, JUST TO TEST THE LANGUAGE OUT, WHETHER IT IS SHALL AND, AND ONE, UH, A ONE CHECK AND A, AND SCOTT, IT, IT'D BE IF STAFF CAN DO A QUICK CALCULATION IF YOU GUYS, IF THAT WOULD BE MORE, UH, REVENUE.
IF, IF THAT WOULD BE, IF WE CAN MEET THAT AT A COST OR AT LEAST IF IT'S A SHELL FOR ONE VISIT, I'D BE, UH, INTERESTED IN THAT.
THE OTHER, UH, THING WE COULD DO, AND, UH, THIS IS KIND OF PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT, UH, I THINK, I THINK IT WAS, UH, MR. NIETO THAT SAID, WHAT'S THE OUTCOME? WELL, WE CAN COME BACK IN THREE TO SIX MONTHS AND SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE YOUTH, IF, IF VAPING HAS DECREASED, IF THIS SHELL LANGUAGE, IF IT'S WORKING, WHAT, UM, HOW MANY, UH, LICE TOBACCO RETAILERS HAVE WE VISITED SO FAR? I MEAN, MAYBE WE CAN COME BACK AND KIND OF CHECK A STATUS UPDATE.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO BE CREATIVE AND NOT TIE OUR HANDS TOO MUCH OR SET UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS, BUT THEN, UM, BUT STILL DO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH PREVENTING YOUTH ACCESS.
AND JUST A QUICK CALCULATION OUT OF THE 56 LICENSES THAT WOULD HAVE TO APPLY THROUGH THIS PROGRAM, THAT IS ROUGHLY ONE LICENSE PER WEEK THAT WOULD BE CHECKED BY SOMEBODY, A, UH, UH, ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO I UNDERSTAND WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT HOW EXPENSIVE THIS WILL BE AND HOW THIS WILL TRANSLATE TO WORK, BUT IT LITERALLY TRANSLATES TO ONE CHECK PER ONE, UH, OF THESE BUSINESSES PER WEEK.
IT IS, I THINK, VERY REASONABLE AND DOABLE FOR SOMEBODY IN A PART-TIME BASIS TO DO THAT KIND OF WORK.
AND BASED OFF OF THE NUMBERS THAT WOULD GENERATE OFF OF, UM, UH, THE LICENSE ITSELF, IT'S, IT'S A, A LITTLE SHY OF $40,000 A YEAR.
SO I, I'M JUST LOOKING AT VERY BASIC KIND OF NUMBERS.
ONE CHECK A WEEK SEEMS PRETTY REASONABLE TO ME.
UM, THANK YOU FOR, UM, THOSE WHO HAVE, UM, UM, ASSISTED US AND HELPED US IN THIS, UM, IN THIS TRL, UH, PROGRAM.
UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE A COMMENT ON THE, ON THIS, UM, ON THIS, UM, MOTION.
UM, I DON'T LIKE TO MAKE PROMISES.
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SHALL WE WILL DO IT.AND THIS, THIS IS FOR OUR YOUTH.
THE YOUTH THAT REALLY ARE, ARE, UM, YOU, I MEAN, GETTING TO BE WITHOUT ANY COMPLIANCE FROM THIS RETAIL, UM, THAT WE HAVE 56 OF 'EM.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S JUST GONNA GO SWEPT UNDER THE RUG.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE MORE, UM, YOU MEAN FOR US TO BE MORE, UM, STRICT IN MAKING SURE THAT THIS RETAIL, UM, ARE RESPONSIBLE, UM, BUSINESS, UM, UM, BUSINESS, UM, OPERATORS IN OUR CITY.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S ONE OR TWO.
I JUST DON'T, I JUST, I, IT, IT LET'S NOT MAKE PROMISES.
LET'S MAKE SURE WE DO IT WHEN WE PUT AN ORDINANCE.
LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE SHALL MAKE IT HAPPEN.
'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEN IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
UM, WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE US TWO WEEKS AGO, I MADE THE MENTION THAT IF WE WERE DOING IT AS THIS GROUP HAS BROUGHT THIS ORDINANCE BEFORE US, IF WE WAS TO FOLLOW IT, WE'D BE MORE RESTRICTIVE ON TOBACCO THAN WE ARE ON ALCOHOL OR CANNABIS AND, AND MOST EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND WHAT I GOT WAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF SHAKING IN THE HEADS, UH, FROM THE GROUP, AND THEY WERE SAYING, NO, NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE.
UM, BUT YET HERE WE'RE FINDING OUT EVEN RIGHT NOW, IF WE PUT SHALL ON THIS, WHEN IN ALL THE, ALL OF OUR OTHER AREAS WERE MADE, WE DO SAY THIS IS MORE RESTRICTIVE.
WE ALSO THEN ALCOHOL, IF YOU GET AN ALCOHOL PERMIT, IT GOES WITH THE ADDRESS.
IT GOES AND THE OWNER CAN TRANSFER IT.
WE'RE SAYING HERE, NO, IF YOU GET A PERMIT FOR THIS, YOU CAN'T TRANSFER IT.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE THIS MUCH MORE, WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOBACCO AT A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THE CITY.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE PUT KIDS WITH IT AND WE ADDRESS IT AS KIDS.
BUT A, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT'S WITHIN HERE THAT GOES BEYOND YOUTH AND GOES INTO PLANNING AND INTO FINANCES, INTO A LOT, A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES, BUSINESSES, THAT WE ALL WANNA PROTECT KIDS.
AND I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYBODY SAYS, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN MAKE ALL THE LITTLE COMMENTS UP HERE AT THE DIE IF THEY WANT TO.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS, IT IS NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE.
IT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, BUT WE DON'T PUT IT ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE US IF WE'VE GOT SO MUCH TIME FOR RESPONSES.
I'D RATHER SEE US MAKE FIVE OR SIX VISITS TO A BUSINESS THAT IS CAUSING US A PROBLEM AND CAUSING PROBLEMS WITH KIDS, THEN GOING TO ONE THAT WE'VE NEVER HEARD A PROBLEM WITH.
BUT WE JUST HAVE TO GO THERE TO, SO WE CAN CHECK A BOX AND WE, AND WE SPEND OUR RESOURCES IN AREAS THAT'S NOT NEEDED.
I'D MUCH RATHER SEE US HAVE AN OUTCOME TO WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE CAUSING A PROBLEM.
TO ME, THAT IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, EVERYTHING THAT IS PASSED IN SACRAMENTO, OR IS EVEN PASSED BY THE VOTERS OF CALIFORNIA, DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE AUTOMATICALLY BECOME THE ENFORCING AN AGENT ON IT.
THAT THAT IS, THAT'S AN AUTOMATIC OUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT WE DO OWN IT FOR RESPONSIBLE BUSINESSES IN NATIONAL CITY FOR OUR YOUTH, FOR THEIR PARENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO DO A MEASURABLE RESPONSE.
BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE THIS ABSOLUTE DEAL AND THIS KIND OF A COOKIE CUTTER THING THAT THEY TAKE FROM CITY TO CITY.
NOW, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT MS. HERNANDEZ CAME UP AND MADE SOME COMMENTS, AND I'LL LET HER KNOW RIGHT NOW, I HAVE SPENT MY LIFE, YOU SAID, DON'T SUPPORT THIS COMMUNITY.
I'VE SPENT MY LIFE SUPPORTING THIS COMMUNITY, AND I'VE SPENT MY LIFE SUPPORTING KIDS.
I, I THINK, I THINK WHAT YOU REALLY MEANT WAS, I JUST DON'T SUPPORT YOUR SON-IN-LAW.
SO LET'S MAKE IT, LET'S MAKE IT CLEAR ON WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT.
SO, MR. MAYOR, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO STOP GETTING, AND YOU'RE RUNNING THE MEETING.
YOU NEED TO STOP GETTING CONFRONTATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH THE AUDIENCE.
WELL THEN, THEN YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY RUN THE MEETING BETTER.
DON'T SET YOUR RELATIVES UP HERE TO MAKE COMMENTS.
SHE'S BEEN ORGANIZING FOR 30 YEARS LONGER THAN YOU'VE BEEN AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
AND, UH, NO, ACTUALLY I'VE BEEN MORE THAN 30 YEARS.
THE CHAIR NOW THEN, SO, AND THE SHERIFF STILL HAS THE CHAIR THEN, OR HAS THE, THE, THE MOMENT OF THE DIOCESE.
SO, SO AS I'M SAYING, WE'RE ALL UP HERE.
AND SO SOMEONE GET UP HERE AND SAY, YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUTH.
'CAUSE IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME ON EVERY LOWER WORDAGE, IT'S TOTALLY RIDICULOUS AND CHILDISH.
AND WE OUGHT TO BE EXAMPLES TO YOUTH NOT SHOWING US, NOT SHOWING HOW JUVENILE WE CAN BE.
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SO AS A, SO THIS IS A DEAL TO WHERE, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, BUT IT'S NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT.SO YOU PUT IT ABOVE OTHER THINGS AND YOU ALLOW A GOOD THING TO GET IN THE WAY OF THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED AT THE MOMENT.
AND OUR RESOURCES ARE LIMITED.
AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVEN IN THIS AREA OF TOBACCO USE, AND, AND, UH, I'M TOTALLY AGAINST TOBACCO USE.
I'M SORRY, I DO NOT SMOKE, DON'T ALLOW IT MY, MY MY HOUSEHOLD OR ANYTHING ELSE ALONG THAT LINE.
BUT OUR ARGUMENT IS WITH THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT, THEY'RE THE ONES MAKING ALL THE MONEY OFF THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M SORRY, MAYOR.
SO, BUT THE LANGUAGE, JUST, UM, THE LANGUAGE WE'RE TA TALKING ABOUT, NOW WE'RE REALLY JUST FOCUSING, I THINK, ON THE SHELL PART OF IT.
'CAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP THE, UM, THE OTHER, UM, THE FEES AND SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES, SO, RIGHT.
UM, BUT ON THE SHALL VERSUS MAIN, RIGHT.
AND, AND, AND, BUT DID YOU LIKE THE COMPROMISE OF THE SHALL WITH ONE? NO.
I, I DON'T THINK WE DO A BECAUSE AS I SAY, I WOULD MUCH RATHER AS SAY US, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING AFTER THE PROBLEM USING ALL OF OUR RESOURCES WE CAN TO GO AFTER THE PROBLEMS, NOT JUST GOING AFTER BUSINESSES FOR THE SAKE OF GOING TO REGULATE BUSINESS FOR BUSINESS SAKE.
AND EVEN AT THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT, THE HIGHEST AMOUNT THAT IS BEING CHARGED TO BUSINESSES IN THIS COUNTY BY ANYONE, IT'S $700.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOK, WE HAVEN'T SET A, WE HAVEN'T SET AN AMOUNT YET BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO A FEE STUDY ON IT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY COST US.
BUT EVEN IF WE WENT WITH THE HIGHEST AMOUNT, THAT'S 30, $37,000 AND THAT'S IT, THAT $37,000, I'D RATHER SEND EVERY PENNY OF THAT GOING AFTER PROBLEM BUSINESSES INSTEAD OF JUST GOING AFTER OUT AFTER BUSINESSES.
THAT'S WHAT THEIR RETAIL LICENSES.
MS. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON ITEM 9.4 TO ESTABLISH A TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE PROGRAM AND, UH, MODIFY THE LANGUAGE TO SAY, SHALL UH, CHECK ON RETAILERS ONCE A YEAR.
IS THAT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION? THAT IS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
I WILL SPEAK AGAINST THAT MOTION AND, UH, UH, AND SPEAK FOR THE ORIGINAL MOTION AND SAY, UM, I DON'T WANT US TO SQUANDER OUR RESOURCES AND HAVE LESS OPPORTUNITY, MR. MAYOR TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN.
I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, SQUANDERING HERE AND THERE.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT WE LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN GET FROM, FROM THE PARTNERS THAT WILL BE, UM, HELPING IN MAKING SURE THAT, UH, THIS ORDINANCE, UM, WILL BE SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED.
UM, YOU KNOW, MEAN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OUR YOUTH COMING TO US.
UM, THE STUDY THAT WAS BROUGHT TO US, UM, ALL, ALL THE, UH, THE, UM, THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAD SEEN, UH, BASED ON THE, UH, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE HAD HERE.
SO, UM, I THINK WE LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHALL BRING TO, UM, THE CITY AND, UM, NOT TALK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THOSE SQUANDERING HERE AND THERE.
UH, I THINK THAT LET, LET US, UM, SEE, AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF THIS SHE ONE PER YEAR WILL WORK AND WHAT RESOURCES THAT WOULD BRING TO THE CITY, THEN IF NOT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I BELIEVE I, I, I AGREE WITH YOU.
THERE ARE, UM, OTHER ORDINANCES BEFORE ME THAT WERE, THAT WERE PASSED THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE STRICT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HOW CAN WE HELP PROTECT OUR YOUTH IN THIS, UM, IN THIS ORDINANCE? THAT'S IT.
BEFORE WE GO ON, I DO, I DID JUST NOW NOTICE I DID HAVE TWO OTHER PEOPLE HAD TURNED IN SLIPS, UM, SOPHIA MONT AND, UH, MARIA MARTINEZ THAT WERE SPEAKING IN FAVOR, BUT DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK.
SO I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE, MAKE SURE THOSE ARE PART OF THE RECORD.
SORRY, THEY GOT LOST UP HERE ON THE, WITH THE SLIPS.
SO WE DO HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
SO WE FIRST VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION AS THAT PASSES, IT DOES PASS.
IF NOT, THEN WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
UM, SO THERE YOU GO, HUH? MM-HMM
SO THIS IS ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
MOTION FAILS BY THREE TO TWO VOTE.
WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION, AND THAT WAS TO GO WITH THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE.
BUT WITH THE, UH, CHANGING THE WORDAGE FROM SHALL TO MAY, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO ADOPT A TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE PROGRAM.
AND KEEP SHALL, BUT DO IT ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS.
SHALL CHECK ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS.
AND IF THAT FAILS, YOU'RE GONNA GO WITH, COME WITH ANOTHER SUBSTITUTE MOTION FOR EVERY THREE YEARS.
[02:10:01]
VOTE.WELL, I, I BELIEVE MR. MAYOR, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THIS, UM, THIS, UM, RESOLUTION OR THIS ORDINANCE MM-HMM
SO THEN WE CAN ACT UPON IT RIGHT AWAY AND SEE IF, UH, IT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WITH THE CITY OR, OR, AND BE ABLE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, GET THE RESOURCES THAT, UM, SAY SAN DIEGO AND THE NATIONAL CITY COALITION, UH, FOR BETTER HEALTH, UM, ARE, ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, PRESENTING TO US.
SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST MOVE PAST THIS ONE.
SO THEN WE CAN ESTABLISH PROCESSES THAT IS COMING FROM OUR, OUR COUNCIL AND OUR CITY, UH, MANAGER.
UM, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AND WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UM, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS? UM, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO ACT UPON THIS OR, OR, UH, READ IT SOMETIME, UH, FOUR MONTHS AGO, BUT IT GOT DELAYED.
AND I THINK THIS DELAY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WILL COST US, YOU KNOW, I MEAN MAYBE RESOURCES OR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN PROCESSES THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO STUDY NOW.
I'M GONNA, IS THE, UH, CITY CLERK, ARE YOU STILL STILL THERE? I THINK WE'RE GETTING READY TO SEE A PICTURE COME UP, HOPEFULLY.
I JUST WANTED TO SEE FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, IF WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE.
ARE YOU ALLOWED TO MAKE A SECOND, ANOTHER SUBSTITUTE MOTION? YOU CAN MAKE ANOTHER SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
YOU CAN MAKE ANOTHER SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
YEAH, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER NO MEMBERS EVER DOING THAT BEFORE, SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR.
SO WE'VE MADE, SO THIS IS ON ANOTHER SUBSTITUTE MOTION, AND THIS IS FOR, CAN YOU REPEAT THE MOTION, PLEASE? YEAH.
TO PASS THE TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE ORDINANCE OR PROGRAM AND MAINTAIN THE WORD SHALL, BUT, UM, CHECK ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS.
SO FOR 56 LICENSEES, THAT'S ONE LICENSE CHECK EVERY TWO WEEKS FOR TWO YEARS.
SO IT DOESN'T TAKE A TON OF RESOURCES FROM OUR CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR LOCAL VENDORS ARE COMPLIANT WITH STATE LAW.
CAN I, UM, INQUIRE FROM THE CITY MANAGER? UM, DOES THAT SEEM FEASIBLE? I KNOW WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESOURCES THAT ARE GONNA GO INTO THIS TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE PROGRAM, KNOWING THAT THE LICENSING FEES ARE NOT GOING TO COVER THE ENTIRE COST.
UM, AND IF WE ARE GONNA GO AFTER GRANTS, WHICH I DO BELIEVE WE SHOULD, SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE A VERY SUCCESSFUL THING, UM, THAT'LL STILL REQUIRE QUITE A BIT OF TIME AND DEDICATION FROM STAFF.
SO CITY MANAGER, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE CHANGE PROPOSED BY, UH, THE COUNCIL MEMBER? OR IS IT, YOU MEAN, MAYBE A BETTER QUESTION IS THAT, IS THAT FEASIBLE? CAN, CAN IT BE, BE DONE? UH, CAN THE STAFF DO IT UNDER THE PROJECTED EXISTING FUNDING? UH, I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROPOSAL.
I'M COMFORTABLE GIVING ME WHATEVER DIRECTION YOU WANT,
THINK IN THIS, IN THIS SITUATION, UH, THAT IS A MUCH MORE ATTAINABLE, UH, GOAL IN ONE YEAR, IN MY OPINION, THAN THE OTHER ONE WAS WITHIN THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, GIVE US MORE RESOURCES OR WORK AS A PARTNERSHIP AND HELP US WITH THESE GRANTS AND GET THOSE RESOURCES IN.
THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE TO GET AT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO STAY WITHIN OUR BUDGET.
I THINK THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, AND IT'S REALLY FOR BARRY, IT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE'RE ALL THINKING, IS THAT ENOUGH THAT WE EVEN HAVE TO DO A, A REENTRY OR CAN WE JUST ADOPT THE WHOLE THING TONIGHT? UH, NO, I THINK MY, MY OPINION'S STILL THE SAME.
THESE ARE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES AND THEREFORE WE, THIS WOULD BE AN INTRODUCTION, EVEN, EVEN SHALL TO MODIFY FROM TWO TO ONE OR, OR SHALL FOR ONE EVERY TWO YEARS.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MAKING CHANGES, WHEN WE'RE GOING TO ADOPT A CHANGE THAT IS A CLERICAL ERROR OR OTHER MINOR CHANGES IS FINE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES, NO MATTER HOW SMALL STILL WOULD REQUIRE A REINTRODUCTION.
WELL THEN I WOULD MODIFY THE MOTION TO, UM, REINTRODUCE, UH, THE ESTABLISHING A TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE PROGRAM WITH, UM, KEEPING SHALL UH,
[02:15:01]
UH, IN COMPLIANCE MONITORING, UM, TO CHECK ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS, EACH LICENSEE THAT SOUND.AND WHEN WOULD THIS, WELL, I GUESS WE NEED A SECOND.
I SECOND THAT, THAT WAS THE MODIFICATION THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE.
BUT IT HAS TO BE REINTRODUCED.
SO WHAT IS THE MOTION NOW? REINTRODUCING THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION REINTRODUCING, UH, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE PROGRAM.
MAINTAINING SHALL, UH, IN THE COMPLIANCE MONITORING SECTION, UM, TO CHECK EACH TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS.
SECOND, CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION OF THAT? MM-HMM
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SECTION C THE COMPLIANCE, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? YES, CORRECT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE 'CAUSE CORRECT.
THAT WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
C THAT'S THE COMPLIANCE PORTION.
UM, UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ AND, AND EVERYONE AND, AND SCOTT, OUR, OUR CITY MANAGER AND EVERYONE FOR THE ROBUST DISCUSSION AND TO THE MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE AND THE ACTIVISTS, THE VOLUNTEERS, UH, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAME OUT.
THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE IN ALL THIS.
I KNOW THIS HAS TAKEN LONG, HONESTLY, I, IT WAS, IT TOOK LONGER TO GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE THAN I HAD WANTED AND ANTICIPATED.
BUT WE DO HAVE TO, I THINK, FLUSH OUT THE LANGUAGE AND THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE WHAT I WANT TO DO IS BE PERFORMATIVE WITH THIS.
SO WE COULD TELL YOU, OH YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING.
BUT IF IT, AND THIS WHAT HAPPENS, I'VE EXPERIENCED IN MY FOUR YEARS, SOMETIMES WE, UM, PASS A POLICY AND IT SOUNDS GOOD.
IT LOOKS GOOD, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ENFORCEMENT, THEN IT'S NOT REALLY EFFECTIVE.
AND I DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS SENDING A FALSE MESSAGE.
UM, BECAUSE I DO THINK THIS IS REALLY STRONG LANGUAGE.
WE'RE TAKING A RISK AND SAYING, SHALL ON SOMETHING.
BUT I, I, GIVEN THE CRISIS, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO DO SO.
I APPRECIATE, UH, CITY STAFF'S, UM, AND MY COLLEAGUES, UH, FLEXIBILITY.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY, UM, AS, AS SOMEONE, UM, WITH A, A TEENAGE DAUGHTER THAT JUST EN ENTERED, UM, CAME SWEETWATER AND JUST UNDERSTANDING THE ISSUE.
SO THERE'S A SPEAKER, I THINK HIS NAME IS MR. GARCIA, WHO SAID IT EARLIER.
SO THE ENFORCEMENT, THE GETTING THE, UH, THE, THE FOLKS, THE BUSINESSES WHO ARE ILLEGALLY SELLING TO KIDS, THAT'S ONE PART OF IT.
BUT THE TRAUMA PART OF IT, THE, UM, GETTING TO THE ROOT CAUSE OF IT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TAKES MORE.
SO THIS, THIS ISN'T GOING TO, I BELIEVE, SOLVE THE ISSUE.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE OUTCOMES.
I THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW UP ON THIS EVERY, EVERY FEW MONTHS.
UM, BUT THEN THE ROOT CAUSE IS THE TRAUMA.
WHY ARE KIDS DOING THAT? AND THAT'S GONNA TAKE SOME DIFFERENT ACTION FROM US, LIKE ACCESS TO JOBS, YOUTH PROGRAMS, TRAINING, SO STUFF TO KEEP OUR YOUTH BUSY AS WELL.
AND I THINK WE'RE DOING BETTER AT THAT.
I THINK WE'VE WORKED WITH THE CHAMBER AND MORE, SO THERE'S STILL MORE TO DO.
I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S, UH, UH, PATIENCE IN THIS.
UH, THESE DISCUSSIONS ARE, ARE REALLY IMPORTANT, THE BACK AND FORTH TO HAVE.
UM, SO IT MIGHT APPEAR LIKE WE'RE ARGUING OR WHATEVER.
UM, BUT I, I THINK THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS AND THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
WHO MADE THE SECOND ON THE SECOND SUBSTITUTE MOTION COUNCIL.
DID, CAN WE GET THE PUSH IN? OKAY.
AND JUST FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, UM, WHEN WOULD THIS ITEM BE RE REINTRODUCED TO THE COUNCIL? HMM.
BROUGHT BACK FOR ADOPTION? MM-HMM
I THINK TOO, UM, WE'D BE LOOKING AT ROLLING THIS OUT.
SAME, SAME TIMEFRAME BEGINNING OF THE YEAR OR EARLIER.
SO WE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS WE'RE TRYING TO ROLL OUT IN CODE ENFORCEMENT, SO IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD OR ANYTHING.
WE'D BE TRYING TO DO THIS ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
NEXT WE, UH, CAN WE, CAN WE ASK FOR FIVE BREAK? SAY THREE? UH, I MEAN, USUALLY POLICY SAYS EVERY TWO HOURS, BUT I KNOW WE ARE CLOSE TO GETTING, GETTING INTO THIS STUFF.
THERE'S NOT MUCH TO GET FINISHED OFF WITH THIS.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T GET THIS FIVE FINISHED.
HAVE FIVE MINUTES OR APPRECIATE, GET YOUR CAMERA OUT THERE QUICK FOR HIM.
[02:20:03]
THAT WAS NINE FOUR.[10.1 Coastal Development Permit and Conditional Use Permit (CUP) for On-Site Beer and Wine Sales, and Live Entertainment at an Existing Restaurant (La Malquerida by Dolche) Located at 1524 McKinley Avenue.]
THIS IS A, UH, COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON ONSITE BEER AND WINE SALES, LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT.AND I'M, I'M GONNA TRY TO PRONOUNCE IT, THEY'RE LOCATED AT 15, UH, 24 MCKINLEY AVENUE AND, UH, UH, REPORT ON THIS ONE.
GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, ONCE AGAIN WITH THE NATIONAL CITY PLANNING DIVISION.
ITEM 10.1, UH, IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND CUP.
UH, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR BEER AND WINE SALES, WHICH IS A TYPE 41 LICENSE AT AN EXISTING, UH, RESTAURANT LA MAFI BY DOLCE, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 1525 MCKINLEY AVENUE, MCKINLEY AVENUE.
UM, HERE'S AN OVERHEAD OF THE SITE.
UM, MCKINLEY IS RIGHT AGAINST, UH, FREEWAY.
UH, THIS IS KIND OF ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY WHERE IT'S MORE INDUSTRIAL NATURE.
UM, IT'S AN EXISTING 1400 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT WITH A 700 SQUARE FOOT OUTDOOR PATIO.
UM, THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY, UH, A COP APPROVED IN 2018.
UM, THIS APPARENTLY WAS DISCONTINUED OR MAY HAD NOT EVEN STARTED OPERATION.
UM, THE LOCATIONS ON THE NORTH END, MCIN MCKINLEY AVENUE NEAR WEST 14TH STREET.
THE ZONING IS MEDIUM MANUFACTURING.
THIS IS ALSO IN OUR COASTAL ZONE.
THE WHOLE AREA IS SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRIAL USES, UM, INCLUDING THE ABUTTING PROPERTIES.
THERE IS ONE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LOCATED, UH, TWO PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH.
HERE'S A VIEW OF THE RESTAURANT, PRETTY SMALL BUILDING.
UM, AND THIS IS WHAT THE BACK PATIO LOOKS LIKE ONCE IN, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT SURROUNDED BY MORE INDUSTRIAL NATURE USES.
UM, SO THEY ARE PROPOSING BEER AND WINE SALES AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL WAS FROM 8:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT DAILY FOR ALCOHOL SALES.
UM, AND THEN THEY PROPOSED, UM, INDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT FROM 8:00 AM TO 11:30 PM DAILY.
AND, UM, OUTDOOR 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM DAILY.
UH, FLOOR PLANNING EXISTS, UH, INDICATES THAT THE DINING AREA OR WHERE THE DINING AREA AND PROPOSED LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WOULD TAKE PLACE APPROXIMATELY 40 SEATS IN THAT DINING AREA.
EXCUSE ME, GO BACK ON THAT JUST FOR ONE MOMENT.
WHEN YOU SAY DINING AREA AND PROPOSED LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, SO THE 40 SEATS, THAT'S IN THE DI THAT'S IN THE INTERIOR, RIGHT? I, I BELIEVE SO, YES.
DINING AREA AND, WELL, WELL, THAT, THAT'S MY QUESTION.
UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE QUESTION I'VE GOT, UH, SO WHEN YOU SAID THERE WAS 40 THERE WHEN YOU SAID WITH THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, BUT THEY'RE ASKING FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT INDOOR AND OUTDOORS.
SO ARE THEY SAYING 40 ENTIRELY? UM,
I MEAN, BASED ON THE FLOOR PLAN, IT SEEMS LIKELY IT INCLUDES THE OUTDOOR PATIO BECAUSE WHAT THE RESTAURANT'S PRETTY SMALL.
SO THE CODE ALLOWS FOR ALCOHOL SALES WITH THE APPROVAL OF A CP AS WELL, AS WELL AS LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
UM, ALCOHOL CCPS REQUIRE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS EXTENDED MAILING TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS WITHIN 660 FEET, UH, COMMUNITY MEETING TO BE HELD BY THE APPLICANT.
AND THAT WAS HELD ON MAY 8TH, UH, WITH NO ATTENDEES.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO LOOK AT, UH, CONCENTRATION IN THE AREA.
UM, THERE ARE CURRENTLY 17 ON SALE LICENSES IN THE CENSUS TRACT WHERE TWO ARE RECOMMENDED.
SO FOR PER A B, C IS CONSIDERED OVER CONCENTRATED.
UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT LAST COMMENT THERE.
UM, THIS PROJECT IS NOT SUBJECT TO DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE RESTAURANTS WITH AT LEAST 30% OF THE FLOOR AREA DEDICATED SEATING, UH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MEET DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7, WHICH HAS STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL RELATED TO ALCOHOL SALES, UH, BOTH ON ONSITE AND OFFSITE.
SO, UM, STAFF HAD THIS ANALYSIS ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION.
HOWEVER, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION WAS SALES, ALCOHOL, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM DAILY.
UH, AND INDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10:00 AM TO 11:30 PM DAILY AND OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT SHALL, UH, FOR ONLY THE HOURS OF 10:10 AM TO 10:00 PM DAILY.
UH, SO THESE, THE REQUEST WAS MODIFIED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, AND THE MODIFIED HOURS ARE REFLECTED IN THE DRAFT, UH, RESOLUTION.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION? QUESTION.
UH, I, WHAT IS, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED AND WHAT STAFF'S ANALYSIS OR WHAT THEIR PROPOSAL WAS? IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE APPLICANT INITIALLY PROPOSED
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AND WHAT STAFF BEFORE LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION 'CAUSE IT? UM, YEAH, SO STAFF JUST LOOKED AT SIMILAR, UM, TYPES OF BUSINESSES AND RECOMMENDED A LATER START TIME FOR THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT STAFF DID NOT MAKE A, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE TIME FOR THE ALCOHOL SALES.SO THE START TIME WAS KIND OF, IT WAS JUST LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
10:00 AM FOR THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
SO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT DID A RISK ASSESSMENT.
THIS WAS CONSIDERED A MEDIUM RISK LOCATION.
UH, RISK IS BASED ON TYPE OF BUSINESS, HOW MANY LICENSES THERE ARE, CALLS FOR SERVICE, ET CETERA.
UM, THE PD RE MADE A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING EXTERIOR LIGHTING.
UM, WE MAY, I THINK WE HAVE A CONDITION RELATED TO MAKING SURE THAT'S WORKING PROPERLY.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE AN, UH, OUTSIDE, UH, PARTNER INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC STRATEGIES.
IT ALSO MAKES RECOMMENDATION ON RECOMMENDATIONS ON ALCOHOL APPLICATIONS.
UH, THEY RECOMMENDED, UH, IN-PERSON TRAINING FOR STAFF, UM, THAT'S PART OF POLICY 7 0 7 ANYWAYS.
UM, AND THEY RECOMMENDED THAT THE RESTAURANT PROVIDES, UM, FOOD FOR SALE DURING THE ENTIRE TIME OF ALCOHOL SALES, WHICH IS INCLUDED.
UM, AND THEN THEY MUST SUBMIT TO THE CITY RECEIPTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S MORE SALES FOR FOOD AS OPPOSED TO ALCOHOL.
THAT, AGAIN, IS ALSO PART OF CO COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7.
ON THAT POINT THAT YOU JUST MADE, UM, THE IPS CONDITIONS OR, OR REC, UM, COMMENTS, UM, DID YOU SAY THAT ALL OF THOSE THREE ARE ALREADY WITHIN, UH, REQUIREMENTS PER CITY CODE? CORRECT.
UH, POLICY 7 0 7 REQUIRES THAT STAFF TAKE THE RESPONSIBLE BEVERAGE SALES AND SERVICE TRAINING.
UH, IT ALSO REQUIRES THAT FOOD BE AVAILABLE FOR, FOR PURCHASE WITH THE PURCHASE OF ALCOHOL.
UM, AND IT ALSO REQUIRES THAT RECEIPTS ARE SUBMITTED, UH, FOR ALL RESTAURANT TYPE LICENSES.
SHOWING THE SALES, SALES RECEIPTS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING.
I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, PREVIOUS APPROVALS, UH, FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS MARICO FOUR TO 10, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, FOUR TO 11:00 PM SUNDAY.
THIS ONE THE REQUESTING OR YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS FROM 10:00 AM TO 11:30 PM DAILY.
UM, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS AROUND THE AREA.
THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION IS WEST OF, UM, INTERSTATE FIVE.
AND THERE'S, OTHER THAN INDUSTRIAL USES AND SOME NONCONFORMING CLOSEST ONE WOULD BE KIMBALL ELEMENTARY THERE AT 18TH.
YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I'M THINKING IT'S AT LEAST HALF A MILE AWAY.
I'D SAY THAT'S THE CLOSEST ONE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'D BE IT.
WE CAN OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, LET, LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY, BECAUSE WE GOT NO SPEAKERS, SO, OKAY.
UH, AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD, OH, WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER.
UH, WELL, WELL, YOU, YOU, WELL, WHEN YOU'RE DONE, YOU WILL FILL ONE OUT AND GIVE IT OVER.
UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE WITH ME, UH, GALLO.
UH, THIS IS HER SECOND RESTAURANT.
THE FIRST IS IN CHULA VISTA, THE SECOND KNOW SHE WAS THE GREAT CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A WOMEN-OWNED BUSINESS.
UM, IT'S A FAMILY ENVIRONMENT.
ALCOHOL LIVE ENTERTAINMENT IS ANCILLARY TO THE BUSINESS ITSELF.
UH, AS YOU SAW, IT'S A VERY SMALL SPACE.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE SUBJECT TO ANYTHING NEFARIOUS OR CRAZY.
UM, THERE'S NO BAR ASSOCIATED WITH THIS RESTAURANT.
AND, UH, SO A SERVER WILL BE ATTENDING TO EVERYONE.
AND WHAT WAS THE LAST PART? I'M SORRY.
A, A SERVER WILL BE ATTENDING TO EVERYONE.
SO NO ONE COULD GO AND GRAB A BEER OR SERVE THEMSELF A GLASS OF WINE.
IT'S GONNA ALL BE BY THE, UM, BY STAFF.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT, UH, THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION REGARDING LIGHTING.
THE APPLICANT IS VERY WELL AWARE OF THAT AND IS, UH, AMENABLE TO THAT AND OTHER CONDITIONS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED THERE.
UH, AGAIN, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S FINDINGS AND, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION ABOUT
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WHICH, WHICH WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO WHAT NOW IS BEING PROPOSED.SO AGAIN, WE'RE HERE TO HAVE ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, BEER AND WINE, WOULD IT BE SERVED WITHOUT MEALS OR WOULD IT BE SERVED SEPARATELY? NO, IN OTHER WORDS, IF SOMEONE SITS THERE AND IS LISTENING TO MUSIC AND SAYS, OKAY, GOOD, I'D LIKE TO ORDER A CORONA, SHE'S HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER.
FOR FOOD, ENDLESS ALCOHOL, IT IS VERY, VERY, UH, FAMILY FOR FAMILY KIDS.
SO, SO THERE WOULD BE NO ALCOHOL SALES WITHOUT FOOD THEN.
AND DO WE HAVE THAT AS A CONDITION IN THERE? I DIDN'T DON'T REMEMBER SEEING IT, BUT IT COULD BE IS IS IN THERE? YES.
BUT, BUT THAT SPECIFICALLY WOULD, THE CONDITION THAT WE APPLY OR THAT WE, WE'VE STATED WAS THAT THE FOOD IS AVAILABLE, BUT I NEVER HEARD OF US FORCING PEOPLE TO BUY FOOD WITH DRINK.
AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S ENFORCEABLE.
WE HAVE THAT PRETTY STANDARD ALMOST EVERY RESTAURANT.
WELL, RIGHT, BUT I'M SAYING, BUT IT, BUT TO SAY HERE, I THINK THE UNDERSTANDING IS HERE, WHAT WE'RE ASKING, HOW I UNDERSTOOD US ASKING THE QUESTION IS, WILL YOU, UM, NOT SELL ALCOHOL WITH FOOD? AND THAT I JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS SAYING.
THE ORDINANCE IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE BOTH AVAILABLE, BUT IT'S STILL, AND FROM AN ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE, IT'S STILL UP TO THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT OVER SERVING.
YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT OVER OVERDO THIS, BUT I, UM, WELL, ALCOHOL SHALL ONLY BE AVAILABLE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PURCHASE OF FOOD.
SO, AS I UNDERSTAND HOW THAT IS APPLIED IS THAT FOOD IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE.
SO S STONEY'S, FOR EXAMPLE, AS A, AS A BAR RESTAURANT, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF THAT SPECIFIC CP THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT UNDER ONE OF OUR CUP BECAUSE THEY, THEY WERE BEFORE CUP.
WELL, SO THAT MIGHT, SO I, I, BUT EVEN WE HAVE THAT CONDITION ON MARKET AND EIGHTH MM-HMM
THAT IT SHOULD BE WITH FOOD AND SALES MARKET.
AND EIGHTH, YOU COULD BUY A BEER SEPARATE MM-HMM
SO, BUT THE FOOD IS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AT THE SAME TIME MM-HMM
SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE, THE DISTINCTION IS.
WELL, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE A SEPARATE VENDOR, BUT SURE.
BUT, BUT THE DEAL HERE, IT'D BE AVAILABLE ONLY IN CONJUNCTION, NOT TO SAY WITH THE PRESENCE OF FOOD THAT SAYS WITH THE PURCHASE OF FOOD.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONDITION THAT'S, THAT WAS, WOULD BE WITHIN THEIR CUP.
AND YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT ONE? YES.
JUST, I MEAN, I, I SAID I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE MISUNDERSTANDINGS DOWN THE ROAD OR WHATEVER.
UM, COUPLE OTHER, WELL, LET'S SEE.
WE DID, DID, WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY VOTE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN, BECAUSE YOU INTERRUPTED ME WITH IT.
UM, COULD WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, OR WAIT A MINUTE, WE STILL HAVE THE PUBLIC SPEAKER.
SO WE ARE STILL IN PUBLIC HEARING.
I'LL GET IT RIGHT HERE IN A MOMENT.
MAYOR, I, I ACTUALLY WANNA ASK YOUR QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THE APPLICANT WAS HERE.
UM, THE QUESTION ON THE FLOOR PLAN HAD TO DO WITH, UH, THE NUMBER OF SEATING.
AND THE QUESTION WAS, DOES THAT MEAN WITHIN THE RESTAURANT INSIDE OR DOES THAT INCLUDE THE PATIO AREA? I BELIEVE THERE'S 25 SEATS INSIDE AND THE BALANCE WILL BE OUTSIDE.
INCLUDING BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE.
THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION, MAYOR.
AND WHAT TYPE OF MUSIC OR WHATEVER, PARTICULARLY THE OUTSIDE, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S BASICALLY AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, BUT WE DO HAVE ONE LOT OVER.
WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL FROM, AND, UH, I KNOW I HAVE ONE LOT OVER FROM ME.
I KNOW I HAVE A FAMILY THAT HAS A FEW, UH, PARTIES, UH, WITH MUSIC.
AND, UH, I HAVE A, UH, UH, A PRETTY SOUNDPROOF HOUSE WITH A LOT OF EXTRA SOUNDPROOFING.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, IT, IT'S GONNA BE MORE OF A, A FAMILY ENVIRONMENT, UH, OKAY.
JUST THE ACOUSTIC WE WERE, WE WERE APPLYING FOR ACOUSTIC.
DJ WENT UP THERE, WANTED TO HAVE PARTIES THERE, PRIVATE PARTIES, SOMEONE WOULD HAVE A, A QUINCEANERA ON THE BACK.
THEY CAN HAVE THAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, THOSE WALLS ARE ABOUT 15 TO 20 FEET TALL.
SURROUND THE RESTAURANT, THE BACK AREA, AND AS YOU KNOW, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE FREEWAY
AND WE WILL EAT ALL THAT UP REAL FAST.
NOT TO MENTION WE'RE GONNA ADHERE TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO CREATE RUCKUS AND, ALRIGHT.
AND YOU REALLY HAVE TO GO TO THIS LOCATION.
YOU JUST HAVE GO THERE JUST TO DRIVE AROUND AND SEE WHAT, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY NOT LATE AT NIGHT AT THE 1130.
AND I, I MIGHT ADD, IT'S GONNA PROBABLY, IF IT'S APPROVED, IT'LL BE THE
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SECOND LICENSE WEST OF THE FIVE FREEWAY IN THAT PART OF TOWN.SO THE ORIGINAL, SO YOU ALL HAD PROPOSED SOME HOURS AT PLANNING COMMISSION MADE CHANGES.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU GUYS, IF WE DID GRANT YOU THE FULL HOURS, DO YOU EXPECT MORE SALES AND MORE, UH, SALES TAX REVENUE EVENTUALLY FOR THE CITY? WHETHER THAT BE SALES TAX OR OTHER YES, SIR.
WITH EXPANDED HOURS? YES, SIR.
ANYTHING ELSE WITH THAT? OKAY.
YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? NO, SIR.
WE'LL BE ON STANDBY IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
WE'LL DEFINITELY CALL YOU UP MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
CAN WE GET THE SECOND IN THERE? PUSHED IN? NO, THIS IS JUST CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AND MAYOR, WE HAD ONE WRITTEN COMMENT FROM TED GODSHAW.
FROM TED GODSHAW IN OPPOSITION.
UH, TO THE SHIFTS THAT WE DID RECEIVE THAT ONE.
UM, AND HE'S ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY LIVES CLOSE TO THIS ONE.
UM, I'LL, UH, LET'S SAY PLEASE, UH, PLEASE VOTE CLOSE.
THIS IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.
I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, FOR MR. WELSH.
UM, ACTUALLY, I DON'T THINK WE GOT, WE LET YOU FINISH YOUR, UM, PRESENTATION.
THERE WAS A COUPLE OF SLIDES I THINK YOU WERE STILL GONNA COVER, BUT, BUT I WANTED TO ASK YOU IF YOU COULD PLEASE, WITHIN YOUR SLIDE DECK COVER THE LAST TWO SLIDES, THE SUMMARY, AND THEN THE OPTIONS.
I HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE OPTIONS REGARDING THE CQA OPTIONS.
I THINK YOU HAD LEFT OFF ON THAT SLIDE.
SO I DID NOT HAVE TOO MUCH MORE.
ONE IS JUST KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THIS IS, THIS ISN'T THE COASTAL ZONE, WHICH ALSO REQUIRES A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
UM, AND THEN IN SUMMARY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CONDITIONALLY ALLOWED USE IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR ZONE.
UM, THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WOULD REMAIN ACCESSORY TO THE RESTAURANT.
UM, CONDITIONS ARE CONSISTENT WITH COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7 AND STAFF ALSO INCLUDES ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS RELATED TO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT TO ENSURE POTENTIAL CONCERNS.
UM, THE OPTIONS ARE TO FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CQA AND APPROVE, UH, THE TWO PERMITS BASED ON THE FINDINGS IN THE RESOLUTION OR FINDINGS DETERMINED BY COUNCIL, OR FIND THE PROJECTS NON-EXEMPT AND OR DENY THE PROJECT, UH, BASED ON FINDINGS DETERMINED BY CITY COUNCIL OR CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE DRAFT RESOLUTION.
UM, I DIDN'T SEE A SLIDE SLIDE ON CQA.
UM, THE RECOMMENDED EXEMPTION WOULD BE EXISTING FACILITIES.
UM, SO IF A NEW USE IS COMING INTO AN EXISTING BUILDING AND NOT MAKING REALLY ANY MAJOR MODIFICATIONS TO THAT, IT CAN BE EXEMPT FROM FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL? DOES THAT MEAN, UH, BASED ON, UH, THE CHANGES THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, UH, THE DRAFT, YEAH.
THE DRAFT CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION IS BASED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHANGES.
AND THAT IS WHAT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TONIGHT.
AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT ALSO IS EXEMPT FROM CQA? CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S TYPICAL.
WHAT IS THE, UH, ONE OF THE APPLICATION SPECIFIC CONDITIONS IS NO ADVERTISED EVENTS.
WHAT IS THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND NOT ALLOWING ADVERTISING EVENTS? THE, THE PURPOSE OF THAT CONDITION IS TO ENSURE THAT THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT REMAINS ACCESSORY OR ANCILLARY TO THE PRIMARY USE OF A RESTAURANT.
UM, WE STARTED USING THIS CONDITION A FEW YEARS BACK WITH ANOTHER RESTAURANT.
UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS ABOUT MAYBE THINGS GETTING OUTTA HAND.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE AN ADVERTISED EVENT, UM, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SHOW UP AND A RESTAURANT ISN'T REALLY PREPARED TO DEAL WITH THAT.
UM, SO REALLY MAKES SURE THAT THINGS, YOU KNOW, DON'T BALLOON INTO SOMETHING BIGGER THAN JUST A RESTAURANT SERVING CUSTOMERS WITH ADDITIONAL ENTERTAINMENT.
UM, I, UM, YEAH, I, I'M, I'M OPEN TO JUST DISCUSSION WITH MY COLLEAGUES AN, A BETTER WAY, IN MY OPINION, TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF BANNING, UM, ADVERTISING EVENTS.
I, I THINK THAT'S, TO ME, THAT FEELS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF GOVERNMENT OVERREACH, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET REVENUE, IF WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THE CITY, TO ME, WE'RE MORE FEARFUL AND WE'RE ACTING OUTTA FEAR THAN ACTUALLY ADDRESSING, UH, THE ISSUE.
IT'S NOT CRITICISM YOU, DAVID, YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING IN PRACTICE.
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I MEAN, I, IN, INSTEAD OF SAYING NO ADVERTISED EVENTS, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE MODIFY THAT TO ANY ADVERTISED EVENTS HAVE TO BE, UM, SENT OVER TO OUR PD SO THAT AT LEAST OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT KNOWS ABOUT IT.BUT I REMEMBER HEARING, UM, UH, THAT THAT BAN AND HOW THAT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS ANOTHER, UM, ES ESTABLISHMENT.
I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS, UH, MUCH AT THE BEER HOUSE OR MARKET ON EIGHTH, UM, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I, I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH, UH, THAT, AND, UM, I'D ALSO EN ENCOURAGE, UM, JUST A DISC, THE DISCUSSION, UM, ON EVEN HAVING THE HOURS, JUST THE APPLICANT'S ORIGINAL, UNLESS THERE'S SOME KIND OF SPECIFIC THREAT, I THINK GIVEN THE LOCATION, UH, I I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, UM, THEY'RE, THE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT STOPS AT A CERTAIN TIME.
SO I THINK WE CAN HANDLE, UM, THOSE THAT MITIGATES THE NOISE ISSUES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, BUT FOR ME, MY BIG THING IS, IS GENERATING MORE REVENUE.
AND SO, UH, YEAH, SO I SUP I SUPPORT THIS, UH, PROPOSAL, BUT I'D BE INTERESTED IN MY, MY COLLEAGUE'S THOUGHTS ON JUST MATCHING THEIR ORIGINAL HOURS IF THAT BRINGS, UM, SINCE THAT DOES BRING MORE REVENUE AND THEN MODIFYING THE ADVERTISE EVENTS TO, UM, ALLOWING IT, BUT JUST REQUIRING THAT THEY SUBMIT THEIR ANY ADVERTISEMENTS TO OUR PD.
I, COUPLE CONCERNS I WOULD HAVE IS THE, UH, I THINK THE HOURS ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE PRETTY, PRETTY LIBERAL THERE FOR, AS I SAY, IT IS A VERY OUT OF THE WAY PLACE.
AND, UH, AND SO I MEAN, IT ALLOWS LIVE ENTERTAINMENT TILL, UM, UNTIL 1130 INSIDE 10 O'CLOCK OUTSIDE.
THAT'S, UM, ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT.
UH, THE PROBLEM ON THE EVENTS IS THAT IT IS A SMALL LOCATION, SO ANY EVENT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IS GONNA BE VERY EASY TO OVER OVERWHELM THAT SMALL SITE.
AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF PLACES HERE THAT DID NOT HAVE CS THAT DID, WERE DOING EVENTS, AND THOSE WERE THE ONES WE HAD MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH BECAUSE, AND, AND THEY WERE MUCH LARGER AND HAD, UH, MORE FACILITY SPACE THAN THIS, CERTAINLY THAN, THAN THIS ONE HAD.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS A RESTAURANT, NOT AN EVENT CENTER.
SO I, UM, SO I, I, SO YOU KNOW, I'M ALL FOR ACCOMMODATING A RESTAURANT, HAVING SOME GOOD LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, THINGS ALONG THAT LINE, AS YOU SAY, IN A FAMILY ATMOSPHERE.
UM, AND UH, AND I DID NOTICE THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WAS IS THAT, UM, WHEN THERE IS LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, THE DOORS AND WINDOWS HAVE TO BE CLOSED.
I HOPE YOU GOT AIR CONDITIONING
BUT THAT, I SAY THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY REAL CONCERN.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, IF A PLACE IS REALLY BUILT FOR EVENTS YEAH.
BUT I, THIS LOOKS LIKE MORE FOR A SMALL, A SMALL RESTAURANT AND WANTS TO ATTRACT PEOPLE FOR SOME LITTLE BIT OF AN ENTERTAINMENT AND SOME GOOD FOOD.
SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD THING IN, IN, IN THAT WAY.
WHAT KIND OF EVENTS? BOXING, WEDDING, QUINCEANERAS, WHAT KIND OF EVENTS? CONCERT BOXING.
NO BOXING,
WHAT'S YOUR CAPACITY? MAY CAN YOU PLEASE, SORRY, CAN YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD, MR. MARCO? I MEAN, CORTEZ YEAH, I'LL JUST PUT ON THE RECORD.
NO, NO BOXING, NO LIVE EVENTS, ANY, UH, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? UM, THOSE CAGE FIGHTING.
THIS IS ALL, SO YOUR CAPACITY SAYS 40.
YEAH, THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHY I, SMALL, SMALL GROUP.
THAT, THAT THE OCCUPANCY IS GONNA DICTATE EVERYTHING.
A BIRTHDAY PARTY'S NOT AN EVENT TYPE OF THING.
NO, IT'S BIRTHDAY PARTY IS AN EVENT.
WELL, NO, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ADVERTISING IT.
IF THERE'S A BUYOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, OF A REST, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A FAMILY EVENT YEAH.
THAT WILL BE ADVERTISED WITHIN THE FAMILY THAT'S HAVING THAT PARTY, CORRECT? NOT REALLY OUTSIDE, NO.
UH, I HEARD YOU SAY COMMENT ABOUT THE LIGHTING, BUT YOU DID, YOU WERE NOT, UM, LIGHTING, YOU WERE NOT REALLY TELLING ME WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH IT.
YOU JUST SAID SHE'S AWARE WHAT IS GONNA BE DONE? I'M, I'M SORRY, CLARIFICATION.
THE LIGHTING IN THE AREA, IT SAYS IT'S DARK.
UH, WELL, THAT PART OF TOWN, THE, THE FRONTAGE WILL HAVE MORE LIGHTING.
THE FACIL, THE, THE SURROUNDING AREA OF LA THE DUALS.
AND THEN, AND THEN YOU AGREE WITH THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION? YES.
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OKAY.LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WHAT IS, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? I MAKE A MOTION TO FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM, UH, CA AND APPROVE 2025 DASH 12 C-P-C-D-P BASED ON FINDINGS LISTED IN THE DRAFT, UH, RESOLUTION WITH MODIFICATION ON THE HOURS TO WHAT THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, AND WITH A MODIFICATION THAT THE, UM, BAN ON ADVERTISING THAT INSTEAD OF BANNING IT, THAT IT'S REQUIRED THAT ADVERTISED EVENTS GET SENT TO POLICE IS MY MOTION.
I SECOND THE MOTION JUST AS A, LET'S TAKE A LOOK.
COULD WE GET A, UM, A READING HERE REAL QUICKLY ON WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AND WHAT CAME FROM PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE HOURS? YES, MR. ON YOUR PAGE, ON YOUR BASIS.
SO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS ALCOHOL SALES FROM EIGHT O'CLOCK TO MIDNIGHT DAILY.
THEN THE HOURS FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WAS FROM 8:00 AM TO 11:30 PM WITHIN THE RESTAURANT AND OUTDOORS, INCLUDING THE PATIO FROM 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM DAILY.
SO BASICALLY THE ALCOHOL SALES WENT DOWN FROM MIDNIGHT TO 10:10 PM IT SEEMS TO BE THE MAIN DIFFERENCE.
AND THEN THE HOURS FOR ENTER ENTERTAINMENT WAS BUMPED UP TO 10:00 AM FROM 8:00 AM SO LATER IN THE DAY WOULD BE THE START.
SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE, WOULD'VE ENTERTAINMENT AT 8:00 AM HMM.
UM, SO THE ENTERTAINMENT WITH THE PROPOSED, UM, THE PROPOSED, UM, REQUEST ORIGINAL IS 8:00 AM ALCOHOL, ALCOHOL IS 8:00 AM TO 12 MIDNIGHT DAILY, AND THEN LIVE ENTERTAINMENT 8:00 AM TO 11:30 PM DAILY, INDOOR, AND THEN OUTDOOR 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM DAILY.
THAT IS THE, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST FROM, FROM THE, UM, APPLICANT STAFF RECOMMENDED FOR ALCOHOL, UM, 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM AND FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, INDOOR 10:00 AM TO 11:30 PM AND OUTDOOR 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM DAILY.
SO, AND I ASKED THE APPLICANTS, UH, MR. CONSULTANT, HE SAID THAT HE, THEY AGREE WITH THE, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, SO YES.
SO THEY ALSO SAID THEY WOULD GENERATE MORE REVENUE.
THEY'RE WHAT THEY'VE, SO THEY'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE GIVE THEM OR ASK THEM.
THAT'S HOW I AM INTERPRETING IT.
BUT IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR MORE HOURS, AND FOR ME, UNLESS THERE'S A SPECIFIC FEAR OR ISSUE OR CONCERN, LIKE, UM, I DON'T THINK, I THINK IN THE PAST WE'VE BEEN LIKE, LET'S PUT THESE RESTRICTIONS ON THIS NEW PROJECT BECAUSE WE HAD ONE BAD EXPERIENCE OR A COUPLE BAD EXPERIENCES WITH ANOTHER.
I'D LIKE TO SEE US GET PAST THAT IF THERE'S ISSUES.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ENFORCEMENT FOR.
AND WE'VE TAKEN ACTION AGAINST, UM, JUST EVEN RECENTLY, A, A COUPLE OF ESTABLISHMENTS THAT HAVE, UM, LICENSES OR OR CPS WITH US.
AND WE, WE TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION.
SO WE HAVE A BUDGET SITUATION.
MR. NIETO, YOU BRING THAT UP A A LOT AND I APPRECIATE IT.
UM, AND THIS IS ABOUT REVENUE.
SO THIS IS ABOUT ATTRACTING MORE PEOPLE TO THIS, THE CITY.
AND I DO WANNA RESPECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND RESIDENTS AND, AND, AND THAT, UM, AND I THINK I, I DO THINK THIS, THIS DOES THAT.
I, I DON'T WANT TO OVER, I THINK WE SOMETIMES OVERLY, UM, O OVERLY REG RE REGULATE AT TIMES WHEN THERE'S, WHEN THERE'S, THERE'S NOT SPECIFIC ISSUES OR HAVEN'T BEEN SPECIFIC COMPLAINTS.
SO I'M NOT SURE PROCEDURAL LEAVE, BUT I DID SECOND THE MOTION.
AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE MOTION TO MAKE THE MODIFICATION CORRECT.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE PORTION OF THE, UH, MOTION DEALING WITH ADVERTISEMENT, UM, YOU WANTED TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
OH, FOR WHAT? THAT REASON? UH, FOR, FOR NOTIFICATION REASON.
SO LETTING, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE CITY, THE POLICE, I THINK THAT MADE THE MOST SENSE.
I'M OPEN IF IT'S THE CITY MANAGERS OFFICE.
SO, BUT MY, MY INTENT, UH, THERE, UM, AGAIN, WITH ADVERTISING A BIRTHDAY, IF YOU MAKE A FLYER, IT'S TECHNICALLY AN ADVERTISEMENT.
SO IT'S LIKE, I, I DON'T, IF YOU ADVERTISE THINGS, THERE'S STILL AN OCCUPANCY LIMIT UNDER LAW AND THAT'S AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
SO I, I I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ASSUME, OH, THERE'S AN ADVERTISEMENT, SO IT'S GONNA BE OVERCROWDED.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US SYSTEM.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IT'S NOT FOR ANY DISCRETIONARY
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REVIEW BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.IT'S SIMPLY NOTES, IT'S NOTIFICATION.
YEAH, I'M, I'M GOING TO SPEAK AGAINST THE MO THIS, THIS MOTION.
I THINK WHAT WAS BEING OFFERED I THINK IS REALLY GOOD.
AND I THINK GOING INTO THIS AREA, WHICH IS KIND OF THIS BACK INDUSTRIAL AREA CURRENTLY, I THINK IT'S GONNA DEVELOP INTO A LOT MORE THING.
I THINK SOMETHING BUSINESS LIKE THIS CAN HELP ENCOURAGE THAT, BUT I THINK JUST EXTENDING HOURS ARE JUST MAKING IT, UH, JUST LOOSENING IT UP AND IT'S NOT AN EVENT CENTER.
AND I THINK WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN EVENT AND PEOPLE HAVING A BIRTHDAY PARTY FOR THEIR FAMILY.
AND THAT'S, I I, I THINK THAT'S AN UNDERSTANDING ON THAT AND JUST PURELY LOOKING AT EVERYTHING FROM A REVENUE STANDPOINT.
YOU'D BE, WELL, IT'D MAKE A LOT MORE REVENUE IF WE JUST LEAVE OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY.
WELL, BUT THAT'S DOESN'T MAKE, THAT'S NOT GOOD SENSE BEEN PROPOSED.
SO, UH, I, YEAH, SO I, YEAH, I, I, I LIKE WHAT ORIGINALLY CAME BEFORE US.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD, GOOD PRODUCT AND I THINK WHAT, WHAT HAS BEEN, BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE US, BUT I SAY I THINK THE MODIFICATIONS I WOULD HAVE HAVE A BIT OF A, A BIT OF A TIME WITH, BECAUSE I SAY IT'S NOT AN EVENT CENTER AND, UH, AND AS SAY IT WANTS TO BE A FAMILY ESTABLISHMENT INTO THAT AREA.
AND, UH, UH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT PART OF IT.
UM, SO WE DID HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WHO MADE THE MOTION ON THAT ONE? I DID.
AND I SECOND THE SECOND AND I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS, MS. MAYER.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO I, I SIMPLY SAID THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR APPLYING.
UH, THANK YOU FOR, UM, UH, THE COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERING THIS IF PASSED.
UH, YOU, YOU WILL BE ALLOWED TO UTILIZE YOUR BUSINESS MORE WISELY AND, UH, HOPEFULLY BRING IN MORE REVENUE FOR YOURSELF, YOUR BUSINESS AND YOUR FAMILY.
DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT.
I'M ON THE FENCE, ON THE MOTION BY THE VICE MAYOR SIMPLY BECAUSE I WANNA RESPECT THE WORK DONE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALSO, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT IS FINE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WHICH INCLUDED THE PLANNING, COMMISSIONS, UH, CONDITIONS.
UM, AND LASTLY, IT IS A SMALL PLACE.
IT'S, IT'S 40 SEATS, RIGHT? UM, SO, SO IT IS CONCERNING, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT, I DON'T KNOW, EVENTS MAY POTENTIALLY GET OUTTA HAND.
AND LASTLY, JUST A BIT OF A JOKE, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF RA WITH ONLY 40 ATTENDEES, SO GOOD LUCK THERE.
WHAT WAS THAT? I'VE NEVER HEARD OF A QUINCEANERA WITH ONLY 40.
BUT, UM, BUT, BUT I'M ON THE FENCE.
UH, IT'S, I DUNNO, I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I GET THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER THAT IT'S, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE A SMALL EVENT.
I, I JUST WANT TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO PROVE, TO PROVE THEMSELVES THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL HOURS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S DISRESPECTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION BY MAKING SOME, I WOULD CALL THEM SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS.
UH, BUT, UM, I, AGAIN, IT'S, UH, I THINK IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT REVENUE.
I WANT, UH, OUR SMALL BUSINESSES TO, TO, TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
THIS IS A, A PROCESS AND IT IS, UM, UH, AND IT IS EXPENSIVE, BUT I, I, I THINK THAT I, I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE AND THEN IF THERE'S ENFORCEMENT ISSUES, IF THEY'RE HAVING ISSUES, THEN LET'S ADDRESS THE ISSUES INSTEAD OF LIKE TYING THEIR HANDS UP FRONT.
AND I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BEING INNOVATIVE, TRYING NEW THINGS STILL, LIKE THE MAYOR SAYS THERE'S STILL A SAFETY ISSUE.
UM, I, I DON'T WANNA DISMISS ANY OF THAT.
I, I, BUT IF WE'RE PROACTIVE, LIKE THE, EVEN THE ADVERTISEMENTS THAT IT'S VALID, BUT THEN, OKAY, LET'S NOTICE THE ADVERTISEMENTS FOR POLICE SO THAT, UM, AT LEAST THEN, UH, THE POLICE CAN RESPOND, CAN BE AWARE, THE PATROL AND ALL THAT WHEN THERE ARE EVENTS.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION FOR STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION AND, UM, AND THAT THE OWNERS HAVE, HAVE AGREED TO.
THAT WOULD BE MY SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO AT LEAST MODIFYING THAT ADVERTISEMENT? THE NO ADVERTISEMENT? UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT FOR EVENTS.
SO WHY WOULD YOU BE, IT'S NOT AN EVENT CENTER.
SO WHY, WHY WOULD BE, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA ADVERTISE IF THEY WANT TO? I'M JUST SAYING IF THEY WANT, WELL, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ADVERTISE THE RESTAURANT YES.
'CAUSE WHAT EVENT ARE YOU GONNA HAVE AT A SMALL RESTAURANT LIKE THAT? I DON'T, I DON'T.
BUT IF SOMEONE, TO ME IT'S LIKE, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
LIKE HOW IS THAT OUR BUSINESS? LIKE WHY, WHY DOES THAT MATTER SO MUCH IF IF THEY WANT TO HAVE AN EVENT WITH 20 PEOPLE, IF IT'S 10 PEOPLE,
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IT CAN EXCEED THE, THE MAXIMUM.SO I, I, THAT'S THE PART I THINK WE'RE OVER, BUT THEY DO, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
THEY HAVE NOT, WE HAVEN'T GIVEN THAT OPPORTUNITY.
WELL, WE'RE ASSUMING THEY WILL.
UH, BUT NO THAT AND, UH, SO ANYWAY, UH, KEPT PUSHING.
I DUNNO IF THERE WAS A SECOND TO THAT OR NOT.
NOW WE CAN DO THAT AND GET, YOU WANNA PUSH IN FOR YOUR SECOND, WOULDN'T LET US DO IT BEFORE.
UM, SO THE SUBSTITUTE MOTIONS BEFORE US, WE CAN VOTE ON THAT.
IF THAT, UH, THAT PASSES, IT GOES.
IF IT DOESN'T, THEN WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
YEAH, I'M JUST GONNA VOTE NO FOR THE ORIGINAL MOTION, BUT SURE.
I'M, IT'S NOT AGAINST THE PROJECT, JUST SO THAT APPLICANT, IT'S NOT AGAINST THE PROJECT.
I JUST WANT THE EXPANDED HOURS.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SAY, MAKE THE SAME COMMENTS.
UM, I WOULD LOVE FOR THE HOURS TO BE EXPANDED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE YOU ADDITIONAL REVENUE.
IF THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION DOES PASS, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE AGAINST THE BUSINESS.
UM, OH, AND BEFORE WE VOTE, UH, SHOULD, UH, WE'RE IN OH, PUBLIC HEARINGS HERE NOW ON, UH, PERMITTING AND EVERYTHING.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY DISCLOSURES, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO, TO MAKE IT BEFORE WE VOTE.
SO I JUST WANT TO, UH, UH, I HAVE BEEN A PATRON OF THE RESTAURANT.
WE'LL TAKE THAT AS NO ONE HAS ANYONE.
AND I'M TALKING ABOUT ON ALL, UH, THE OTHER ONES.
WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE BEHIND IT.
SO, SO FOR ANY OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, I DON'T WANNA MAKE SURE WE ALSO HAVE THE ONE ON EIGHTH AND PALM.
AND JUST TO, AND JUST TO CLARIFY THE DISCLOSURES, CAN WE, CAN WE JUST, UM, CLARIFY THE DISCLOSURES.
DISCLOSURES WOULD BE, IF YOU HAVE ANY FINANCIAL INTEREST, IF YOU'VE HAD, UH, IF YOU'VE HAD, UH, CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS WITH A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME OR A CERTAIN AMOUNT, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT, WHAT TIME IS THAT AND IS IT WITH THE APPLICANT? WELL, I THINK IT'S 12 WITHIN 12 MONTHS AND I BELIEVE IT IS.
WITHIN, WITHIN THE PAST 12 MONTHS, HUH? WITHIN THE PAST 12 MONTHS AND OVER $500.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S 500 OR MORE.
SO WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
UM, UH, PLEASE VOTE, WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE.
MOTION PASSES BY FOUR TO ONE VOTE WITH PRESS VICE MAYOR, OH, SORRY, I PRESS YOU.
UM, MINE SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE, THAT YOU HAVE YES.
YOU WANT, YOU WANT, YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO SAY NO? NO.
SO MOTION PASSES BY THREE TO TWO VOTE.
JUST TOLAR CLARIFY, IT'S WITH THE HOURS, EVERYTHING THAT WAS UNDER A PLANNING COMMISSION.
BEFORE DO FORWARD AND HAVE A RESTAURANT.
[10.2 Conditional Use Permit (CUP) for On-Site Beer and Wine Sales and Live Entertainment at an Existing Restaurant (Sushi N’ Gone) Located at 1539 E 8th Street.]
WE GO ON TO, UH, 10.2.THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ON SALE BEER AND WINE SALES AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT.
SUSHI AND GONE LOCATED AT 1539 EAST EIGHTH STREET.
I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT SIMPLER THAN THAT ONE.
ONCE AGAIN, MY NAME IS DAVID WELCH WITH THE PLANNING DIVISION, UM, PRESENTING, UM, ITEM 10.2 CONDITIONAL PERMIT FOR ONSITE BEER AND WINE SALES AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT.
FING GONE AT 1539 EAST EIGHTH STREET.
I'M WAITING FOR MY POWERPOINT.
UM, SORRY THAT GOT BUMPED OUT OF THE WAY, BUT THE BUILDING IS ON THE CORNER THERE RIGHT AT EAST EIGHTH AND PALM.
UM, THE PARKING AREA, THE INTERSECTION IN THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT SET BACK.
UM, SU GON IS AN EXISTING, UH, 2,445 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT IN THE MX C TWO ZONE.
UH, THERE WAS A PREVIOUS ALCOHOL CUP APPROVED IN 2021, WHICH WAS K BOROUGHS.
UH, THAT CUP WAS DISCONTINUED, UM, THE AREA SURROUNDED BY BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, EAST EIGHTH IS PREDOMINANTLY COMMERCIAL.
THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, UH, SEPARATED FROM A PRETTY BIG GRADE CHANGE UP THE HILL DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH.
HERE'S A IMAGE OF THE FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE HILLSIDE TO THE RIGHT THERE.
ANOTHER IMAGE, UM, BACK OF THE RESTAURANT BACK.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT ISOLATED BY THE SURROUNDINGS.
UM, SO THE BUSINESS PROPOSES BEER AND WINE SALES AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT THE RESTAURANT.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE A MODIFICATION FROM PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, SO THE MODIFIED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WERE, UH, ALCOHOL SALES BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, AND EIGHT
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TO 11:00 PM SATURDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.UM, THE PROPOSAL FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WAS NOT MODIFIED.
UM, SO THE ORIGINAL HOURS OF ALCOHOL SALES PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT WAS EIGHT TO MIDNIGHT DAILY.
UM, TYPES OF LIVE ENTERTAINMENT DJS, BAND GUITARIST.
UM, BASICALLY SIMILAR TO THE LAST ONE, UH, THERE ARE 52 SEATS IN THE DINING AREA, SO ALSO A RELATIVELY SMALL RESTAURANT.
UM, HERE'S THE FLOOR AREA, YOU SEE THE BACK OF HOUSE, THE SEATING AREA, AND THEN LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
AGAIN, MY IMAGE GOT BUMPED, UH, WOULD BE NEXT TO WHERE THEY SERVE BEER.
UH, SO ONCE AGAIN, THE CODE ALLOWS FOR ALCOHOL SALES, UM, AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WITH IMPROVED CUP AND EXTENDED MAILING FOR 660 FEET.
A COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD FOR THIS ONE AS WELL WITH NO ATTENDEES.
UM, UNDER A BC TWO ON SALE LICENSES ARE RECOMMENDED, I'M SORRY, NINE ARE RECOMMENDED.
SO IT'S NOT CONSIDERED OVER CONCENTRATED.
UM, THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT APPLICABLE BECAUSE 30% OF THE FLOOR HERE IS DEDICATED TO SEATING.
AND ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE CITY, CAL CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7 WITH CERTAIN CONDITIONS RELATED TO THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS.
UM, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT HOURS, AGAIN, THE ANALYSIS OF SIMILAR BUSINESSES.
UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID THEIR RISK ASSESSMENT.
THIS CAME IN AT A LOW RISK, WHICH IS 12 POINTS OR LESS, AGAIN, BASED ON THE TYPE OF BUSINESS CALLS FOR SERVICE CONCENTRATION.
UM, THEN IPS INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC STRATEGIES, AGAIN, RECOMMENDED RBSS TRAINING.
UH, PROVIDE FOOD AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE THROUGHOUT THE ALCOHOL SALES TIMES.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, SUBMITTING RECEIPTS TO VERIFY SALES OF ALCOHOL AND FOOD.
UM, SPECIFIC TO THIS APPLICATION, AGAIN, LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, SAME CONDITIONS AS BEFORE, DOORS AND WINDOWS REMAIN CLOSED, NO ADVERTISED EVENTS.
UM, SPECIFIC HOURS OF OPERATION AND ADHERE IT'S TO TITLE 12 ARE NOISE ORDINANCE.
UM, IN SUMMARY, UH, IT CAN BE FOUND CONSISTENT WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN.
UH, ALCOHOL SALES FOR ONSITE CONSUMPTION AND LIVE ENTER ENTERTAINMENT ARE CONDITIONALLY ALLOWED IN THE ZONE.
UM, THEY ARE TO REMAIN ACCESSORY TO THE BUSINESS IN AN ESTABLISHED MIXED USE OR COMMERCIAL AREA.
UM, AND THEN POLICY 7 0 7 HELPS ALLEVIATE CONCERNS POTENTIALLY FOR NEIGHBORING, UH, RESIDENTS OR OTHER BUSINESSES.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL CONS, CONDITIONS RELATED TO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.
UM, SO THE OPTION OPTIONS FOR COUNSEL ARE TO FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CQA, ONCE AGAIN, THE EXISTING FACILITIES EXEMPTION AND APPROVE THIS CUP BASED ON THE DRAFT RESOLUTION, OR FIND THE PROJECT NOT EXEMPTED AND OR DENY THE COP BASED ON FINDINGS, UH, DETERMINED BY CITY COUNCIL OR ON THE DRAFT RESOLUTION.
UH, OR YOU CAN CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR MORE INFORMATION.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND THE DRAFT RESOLUTION DOES, UH, REFLECT THE RECOMMENDATION OF PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, JUST CLARIFICATION QUESTION, UM, IS THAT YOU HAVE, YOUR SALE OF ALCOHOL IS FROM 10 TO 10 MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND 8:00 AM TO 11 SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.
'CAUSE NORMALLY THE LATER SALES ARE FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, NOT A, NOT A LATE SUNDAY NIGHT.
SO THAT DOESN'T MAKE, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
I'M LOOKING HERE ON PAGE 5 0 6.
HUH? THE SLIDE? NO, I'M LOOKING IN THE ACTUAL REPORT, UH, IN THE REPORT OR IN THE CONDITIONS, UH, IN THE REPORT THAT, UM, THE CONDITIONS, UH, REFLECT, UH, ALCOHOL FROM 10 TO 10, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, AND 8:00 AM TO 11:00 PM SATURDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.
UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A TYPO IN THE STAFF REPORT.
SO ONCE AGAIN, WILL YOU SAY WHAT, WHAT ARE THE, UH, THE LATER HOUR ONES? IS THAT FRIDAY AND SATURDAY? OR SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, THE LATE HOURS? CORRECT.
WHY WOULD YOU HAVE LATE HOURS ON SUNDAY? THAT MAKES NO SENSE.
IT'S NORMALLY FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
IS THERE AN APPLICANT HERE? OKAY.
I HAD A FUNNY FEELING THAT MIGHT BE YOU COME ON.
OH, AND YOU BROUGHT UP HIM TOO.
MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS MARCO POLO CORTES, CONSULTANT FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO, SO, SO, SO YOU'RE WANTING LATE ALCOHOL SALES ON SUNDAY, BUT
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NOT ON FRIDAY.UH, I THINK THAT'S A, WE ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR 8:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT AS WELL.
UH, AND THEN PLANNING COMMISSIONER CAME BACK AND CHOPPED IT UP.
I, I THINK THE, TO STAFF STRIKE COMMENTS, THE, THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THAT, IN THAT.
I JUST, THAT DOESN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE.
UH, I'D LIKE TO ADD, UH, BEFORE WE ASK, ANSWER MORE QUESTIONS, I, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, USED TO BE AN EMPLOYEE AT RO AND, UH, HE'S HERE WITH HIS WIFE MM-HMM
AND NOW HE OWNS THIS RESTAURANT.
AND THIS IS HIS LIFELONG DREAM.
I THINK, UH, I THINK WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR IS WITH HIM COMING UP.
LET ME, LEMME PUT IT THIS WAY.
LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
'CAUSE I WAS JUST ASKING QUESTION TO STAFF, BUT THANK YOU.
BUT IN THIS CASE, OKAY, NOW LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO NOW, NOW YOU CAN, CAN SPEAK TO THIS.
SO AGAIN, UH, WE ORIGINALLY ASKED FROM EIGHT DM TO MIDNIGHT PLANNING COMMISSION CAME BACK AND SOFTENED, ACTUALLY STAFF SOFTENED IT UP AND THEN PLANNING COMMISSION SOFTENED IT UP AND MADE THE HOURS A LITTLE MORE.
SO, SO AS I, IF I WAS TO READ THESE HOURS AND TO USE THE SAME HOURS, MAKE ANY SENSE, IT WOULD BE SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 10 TO 10, BUT THEN FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
UH, YEAH, I, I GOT A FUNNY FEELING ON THE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A MIX UP THERE ON THE DAYS BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T, YEAH, I DON'T THINK YOU WANT, YOU DON'T THINK YOU WANT LATE NIGHT SUNDAY NIGHT.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET TOO MANY CUSTOMERS.
SUNDAY IS THE DAY WHEN WE CLOSE
SO UHHUH, WE CLOSE AT 8:00 PM ON SUNDAYS.
THAT, THAT SOUNDS, SOUNDS MORE LIKE, YEAH.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA CLOSE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK NO.
YOU SELLING, SELLING, UH, BEER AND WINE TILL 11.
AND I MIGHT ADD THAT THE HOURS FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WOULD BE PROBABLY ABOUT 30 MINUTES BEFORE THEY CLOSE MM-HMM
TO APPLY THE SAME TIME LAST CALL.
NOW, AND YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT.
AND THE SAME, EVERYTHING IS GONNA INDOOR AND THE SAME CONDITION APPLIES WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, DOORS, THE DOORS AND WINDOWS.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU, YOU HAVE WINDOWS AS FAR AS OPENABLE WINDOWS? I DON'T THINK SO.
SO THE DOORS WOULD HAVE TO BE CLOSED DURING LIVE ENTERTAINMENT? YEAH.
IT'S PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SAY? THAT'S IT.
OH, I, YEAH, I WANT TO SAY THEN, UM, OH, I, I WORK AS A CHEF SINCE I WAS LIKE 23.
AND, UM, I USED TO WORK IN A NICE RESTAURANTS ON THE CLA, UH, CLAREMONT AND KEARNEY, MESA AND ALL THOSE BIG RESTAURANTS.
SO MAY, MOST OF MY CUSTOMERS HERE, NATIONAL CITY, THEY, THEY USED TO TELL ME LIKE, WE DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO ESA BECAUSE THERE IS WHERE THE FANCY RESTAURANTS ARE.
AND I WAS LIKE, NOT ANYMORE BECAUSE WE ARE HERE IN NATIONAL CITY.
SO, AND MY POINT IS, UM, WE TRYING TO GET THIS LICENSE BECAUSE, UM, THIS IS THE, THE EXTRA POINT FOR THE CUSTOMERS THEN THEY LOOKING FOR, SO IF YOU GO TO THE NICE, UH, JAPANESE RESTAURANT, YOU EXPECT TO GET LIKE A NICE OF COLD HOT WITH THE SUSHI.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY THAT MOST OF THE CUSTOMERS, THEY, EVERY TIME THEY GO TO THE RESTAURANT IT'S LIKE, LIKE, OH, WHAT KIND OF THE JAPANESE DRAFTS YOU HAVE.
AND NOT AT THE MOMENT WE, WE, WE, WE LOOKING FORWARD TO GET A, UM, WITH, I MEAN WITH YOUR APPROVAL TO OFFER TO THE NATIONAL CITY, A NICEST PLACE.
AND, AND AS YOU SAID BEFORE, THAT ATTRACT MORE PEOPLE TO THE, TO THE CITY AND, AND OFFER THE SAME, THE SAME QUALITY OF THE, UH, FOOD ALONG WITH THE, WITH THE NICE PLACE AND FAMILY AMBIENCE MM-HMM
WITH THE RESTAURANTS AND ANOTHER, AND OTHER COUNTIES AND, AND HERE IN NATIONAL CITY FOR THAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR APPLYING AND YOUR FOOD IS EXCELLENT.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVE SECOND.
UH, THIS IS A VOTE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.
UM, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE? I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION THAT, AND I DON'T, WOULD THIS BE CONSIDERED A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE SINCE IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THAT HOURS FROM SATURDAY, SUNDAY? IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN FRIDAY, SATURDAY, UH, THE COUNCIL'S LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE BEGINNING.
SO YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES, YOU'RE JUST ESTABLISHING WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE.
SO YEAH, MY MINE WOULD BE TO SWITCH THOSE HOURS SO THAT IT'S TILL, UM, 10 O'CLOCK SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY
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TO 11.AND SO, AND THE SAME THING, THE OPENING WOULD BE EIGHT O'CLOCK ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, BUT YOU COULD OPEN AS EARLY AS THAT, BUT THEN THE OTHER HOURS WOULD BE FOR THAT.
DOES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE? YEAH.
AND MAYOR, SAME THING FOR THE, UH, THE, UM, ENTERTAINMENT, THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, NO CHANGE.
I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY, ANY REAL PROBLEM.
UH, WITH THAT SUNDAY THROUGH AND, UH, YEAH, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND.
SEEING NO MORE DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE.
OH, UH, FULL DISCLOSURE, MR. MAYOR.
I KNOW THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING BUT NO VIOLATION ON LEVI ACT.
[11.1 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) Between the City of National City and the National City Municipal Employees’ Association (NCMEA)]
NEXT WE GO TO 11 ONE MEMBER AND OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY AND THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES ASSOCIATION, ANY STAFF REPORTS SEEING NONE.OKAY, WELL WHAT IS YOUR, WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE HAVE 'EM ON 11 TWO AND JEREMY IS SITTING BACK THERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT ITEM 11.1.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
PLEASE PUSH YOUR BUTTONS IN FOR 11 TWO.
UM, YEAH, LET ME JUST SAY, AND I'M GOING TO SPEAK, AND IT'S THE SAME THING FOR 11 ONE AND 11 TWO, BOTH.
AND THE REASON IS 'CAUSE I THINK OUR EMPLOYEES DESERVE 'EM AND, YOU KNOW, BRING 'EM UP TO THAT FAIR LEVEL, UH, AND IN COMPETITION WITH OTHER, OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD NOT BE DOING MY JOB IF I DID NOT ALSO STATE THAT IN MY OPINION, THIS IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.
UM, THE, THE AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, SO IT'S KIND OF A DICHOTOMY, YOU KNOW, THERE, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE FORCED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT WITHIN PROBABLY A THREE YEAR PERIOD.
I MEAN, IF WE TRY TO EXTEND IT BEYOND THAT POINT, IT'S GONNA BE VERY ARTIFICIAL OR WE'RE GONNA BE MAKING SOME VERY POOR DECISIONS TO TRY TO FILL UP A GAP.
UM, BUT, BUT I THINK WE OWE IT TO OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES.
AND SO THEREFORE I'M GONNA VOTE FOR THESE.
BUT IT'S WITH THE CAUTION THAT THIS, THE SUSTAINABILITY THAT AS SAY WITHIN A THREE YEAR PERIOD, WE WILL PROBABLY EAT THROUGH ALL OF OUR RESERVES EXCEPT FOR THE MANDATE.
IN FACT, MAYBE EVEN GET IN INTO THE AREA OF MANDATED RESERVES WITHIN THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, SO IT'S, WE, WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SPENDING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THIS TYPE OF CONTRACT AND THE AVAILABILITY OF ALL THOSE JOBS IN THOSE POSITIONS GOING ON IN THE FUTURE.
SO WE OWE BOTH OF THOSE TO THE EMPLOYEES.
WE OWE 'EM FAIR WAGES, WHICH I THINK THIS DOES, BUT WE OWE 'EM A FAIR FUTURE TOO.
AND SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO, IT IS GONNA TAKE A LOT OF WORK TO GET TO THAT POINT AND, UH, NOT MAKING RECKLESS DECISIONS, BUT DELI VERY DELIBERATE DECISIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO BOTH A AND B.
BUT THIS IS, THIS IS ONE STEP AND I THINK IT'S A PROMISE THAT WE'VE MADE TO OUR EMPLOYEES AND WE NEED TO KEEP IT.
SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, PLEASE VOTE.
MR. MR. MAYOR, CAN WE REPEAT THE MOTION? IT WAS FOR, FOR ADOPTION ADOPT 11.
ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION 0.1.
UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOUR COMMENTS, MAYOR.
THANK YOU FOR OUR CITY EMPLOYEES.
UM, JUST AS A KIND OF, UM, TAKE, TAKE, TAKING A STEP BACK IN A BIRD'S EYE VIEW, UH, OUR CITY EMPLOYEES, M-E-A-S-C-I-E 2 21 MEMBERS, UM, IN 2020 WE'RE UNDERPAID ABOUT 15%, UM, FROM THE REGIONAL AVERAGE.
AND SO I'M GLAD THAT IN A FEW YEARS, IN A FEW CONTRACTS WITH COUNCIL'S SUPPORT, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO GET MOST INDIVIDUALS TO THE MEDIAN.
AND THAT IS, UH, SAYING SOMETHING.
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THAT WE VALUE OUR EMPLOYEES.IT'S SAYING THAT WE'RE INVESTING IN OUR CITY.
AND, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, CONCERN ABOUT OUR, UH, BUDGET AND OUR BUDGET, UM, UH, PROJECTIONS IN THE FUTURE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT WE DO HAVE ABOUT 60% RESERVES, A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT, AND IT IS UP TO US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK SO WE CAN BRING IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE IN THE CITY.
AND EARLIER TODAY, I THINK THE COUNCIL TOOK A BIG STEP IN PASSING, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE.
I KNOW WE HADN'T DISCUSSED, UH, BRINGING IN REVENUE THROUGH THAT, BUT EVEN, UM, CONSERVATIVE PROJECTIONS SAY THAT WE WOULD BRING IN 1.5 TO 2 MILLION A YEAR, THINGS LIKE THAT ADD UP.
AND IT'S REALLY UP TO US COLLECTIVELY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TRY TO FIND REVENUE SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO BRING TO THE CITY SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO INVEST, UM, IN OUR, IN OUR EMPLOYEES.
UH, IT'S BEEN A WHIRLWIND OF A CONVERSATION NOW.
UH, BUT THANK YOU COUNCIL, UM, UH, FOR THE LEADERSHIP ON THE ISSUE.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CITY EMPLOYEES, FOR ADVOCATING FOR YOURSELVES AND YOUR FAMILIES.
I REALLY WANNA THANK, UM, MEA ALL, ALL OF THE, THE MEMBERS THAT PARTICIPATED IN OUR WORKERS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK.
AND I THINK THAT HISTORICALLY AS AN ORGANIZATION, UM, MEA, UH, EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN, UH, SOME OF THE LOWEST PAID IN OUR ORGANIZATION.
SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A BIG MOVE.
UM, IT IS, UM, IT, IT, IT HAS A COST.
BUT I THINK WHEN WE INVEST IN OUR WORKERS, WE GET THAT, THAT WE GET A RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE BIG COMPONENT, BUT IT'S ALSO HOW, HOW WE TREAT YOU AS AN ORGANIZATION, OUR, OUR GOALS.
UM, AND, AND MY ASK FROM THE ALL THE MEA WORKERS TOO, IS THAT, THAT YOU ALL ALSO, UM, STEP UP THAT, YOU KNOW, I HEARD EARLIER THE APPRECIATION AND, AND I LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT WE ALSO NEED YOUR GUYS' HELP IN RAISING THOSE REVENUES AND LOOKING AT DIFFERENT IDEAS.
AND, UH, AND WE DO HAVE TO BE CREATIVE ON HOW WE DO THAT.
LAST, UM, THE LAST, UM, ITEMS WE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO GET MORE REVENUE.
BUT I JUST WANT TO PUSH THAT, THAT OUR WORKERS ARE WORTH IT.
I'M WILLING TO DO THINGS TO, TO LOOK AT OUR REVENUE.
WE STILL HAVE, UM, A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE PORT, OTHER FUTURE AREAS WHERE WE SHOULD BE GETTING MORE MONEY.
BUT, UH, I THINK THIS IS A, A BIG STEP.
UM, AND, AND, BUT WE JUST REALLY IN, IN MY OPINION, HAVE FOCUS ON THE REVENUE.
IT FEELS GOOD TO INVEST IN THE LARGEST INVESTMENT, UM, OF THE CITY, WHICH IS OUR PEOPLE.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THEY ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU INVEST, THERE IS AN ROI, WHICH IS THE RETURN OF INVESTMENT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THIS.
UM, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE VALUE THEM, UM, SO MUCH, BUT WE ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, RELY ON THEM, UH, THE VERY PEOPLE THAT HELPS US, UM, PROVIDE FOR THE SERVICES THAT WE, UM, PLEDGE TO OUR PEOPLE.
YES, THIS WAS, UM, A LONG TIME.
IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAVE GONE THROUGH BARGAINING, UM, NEGOTIATIONS.
AND SO I, I LEARNED A LOT AND I DO APPRECIATE THE PATIENCE, UM, BECAUSE IT DID TAKE SOME TIME.
UM, AND I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE ALL OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS, PLEASE SPEND ALL YOUR MONEY HERE IN NATIONAL CITY.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.
[11.2 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) Between the City of National City and the National City Firefighters’ Association (NCFFA)]
GO ON TO 11 TWO.THIS IS A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY AND THE NATIONAL CITY FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION.
JEREMY DAY, FOLLOWED BY DARRELL ROBERTS, AND THEN FOLLOWED BY EDWARD NATO.
GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL, STAFF, AND RESIDENTS WATCHING AT HOME.
UM, SO WE STARTED THIS PROCESS FOR US.
WE FORMED OUR TEAM A YEAR AND EIGHT MONTHS AGO, BECAUSE INITIALLY WE WERE LOOKING TO NEGOTIATE A MULTI-YEAR CONTRACT.
IN JANUARY, WE SIGNED A SIX MONTH EXTENSION, AND OUR TEAM JUST CONTINUED, UM, ORIGINALLY, SO WE SURVEY 18 CITIES, AND WE WERE 17 OUT OF 18 IN THAT SURVEY.
AND WE BEGAN WORK WITH YOUR TEAM, WHICH WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THEIR FLEXIBILITY AND EFFORTS IN THIS.
THEY MET SEVERAL TIMES ON FRIDAYS, ON THEIR DAY OFF, UM, WERE AVAILABLE BY PHONE, UH, WHENEVER WE NEEDED TO TALK.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THIS AGREEMENT.
THIS PROVIDES A PATH FOR ALL OF OUR MEMBERS TO BE COMPENSATED AT THE AVERAGE OF THOSE SURVEYED CITIES.
IT SECURES RETIREE HEALTHCARE AND ENSURES THAT
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WE HAVE FOUR PERSON STAFFING ON ONE OF OUR FOUR ENGINES, WHICH IS OUR NEXT STEP TOWARDS GETTING FULL FOUR PERSON ACROSS THE BOARD.UM, WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT THAT THIS HAS ON THE BUDGET, RIGHT? WE DID SEVERAL TALKS INTO THIS MICROPHONE AND, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING PARTNERS, TO ENSURING THAT THERE IS A SUCCESSFUL PATH FORWARD.
OR WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, PUSH THOSE DECISIONS, WHICH THEN IMPACT OUR MEMBERS IN THE REVERSE, RIGHT? UM, WE WORK, UH, WE WORK DIGITAL DILIGENTLY ON RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTROL WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT CULTURE, WORKDAY.
THERE'S MANY THINGS THAT WE CAN WORK ON.
WE NEED YOU TO BE A PARTNER IN THAT.
AND SO WE APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT FINAL PIECE TO THE PUZZLE.
THIS HAS DIRECT IMPACTS ON OUR MEMBERS.
WE HAD A MEMBER IN THE FINAL PROCESS OF LEAVING US TO GO TO ANOTHER CITY.
HE WAS 12 DAYS FROM STARTING A FIRE ACADEMY.
HE BACKED OUT OF THEIR PROCESS.
THIS WAS THE PIECE WE WERE MISSING.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO HAVE THE FULL PIECE, FULL PUZZLE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.
CAN I HAVE 30 SECONDS ON
I, I KNOW YOU, I KNOW YOU ON, ON BEHALF OF OUR MEMBERS.
I KNOW ON BEHALF OF OUR MEMBERS, UH, WHO WOULD'VE LOVED TO BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT BEING LAST ON THE AGENDA IS REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET EVERYONE ORGANIZED TO BE HERE.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR CONCERN FOR OUR WELLBEING.
WE FEEL VALUED HEARD, AND WE'RE EXCITED TO OVERCOME THE CHALLENGES BEFORE US TOGETHER.
ALRIGHT, NOW, NOW PART OF YOUR TAG TEAM.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER OF CITY STAFF.
UH, MY NAME IS DARRELL ROBERTS.
I AM A, UH, 27 YEAR FIREFIGHTER.
I WORK IN THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA, BUT TONIGHT I'M HERE AS A VICE PRESIDENT FOR THE CALIFORNIA PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS.
AND WE REPRESENT NEARLY 40,000 FIREFIGHTERS IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
AND I CAN SAY WITHOUT A DOUBT, NOT JUST 'CAUSE GERMANY'S HERE, UM, OR THE OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS, NASHVILLE CITY FIREFIGHTERS ARE SOME OF THE BEST FIREFIGHTERS WE HAVE IN THE STATE.
ARGUABLY IN THE WESTERN UNITED STATES.
THEY'RE PROTECTING A CITY THAT'S VIBRANT.
UM, YOU GUYS, I'VE BEEN HERE THE ENTIRE TIME.
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH MAKING VERY SERIOUS DECISIONS.
UM, BUT THE NATIONAL CITY FIREFIGHTERS ARE PARTNERS WITH YOU GUYS.
AND THE MOVE YOU GUYS MADE TODAY MADE SURE THAT RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION WILL BE LOOKED AT.
UM, THE FACT I'VE BEEN LOBBYING FOR FOUR FIREFIGHTERS ON EVERY FIRE ENGINE FOR OVER 10 YEARS, AND YOU GUYS ARE MAKING A MOVE TO THAT.
I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH, WITH SEVERAL OF YOU FOLKS REGARDING IT.
IT IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPACTFUL THINGS YOU GUYS CAN DO FOR YOUR COMMUNITY AND FOR YOUR FIREFIGHTERS.
WITHOUT A DOUBT, PUTTING THAT FORTH FIREFIGHTER ON THE ENGINE WILL SAVE LIVES.
IT WILL SAVE PROPERTY, IT'LL PROLONG THE LIFE AND, AND THE SERVICE THAT OUR FIREFIGHTERS CAN PROVIDE TO YOUR COMMUNITY AND TO YOUR RESIDENTS.
THIS IS WHAT A COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE WHEN LEADERSHIP WORKS WITH THEIR PUBLIC SAFETY.
THE LADDER TRUCK THAT YOU JUST MOVE FORWARD, THAT'S A RESOURCE AND A TOOL AND INVESTMENT.
I LIVE IN, IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF CHULA VISTA.
THERE'S A NATIONAL CITY FIRE ENGINE RUNNING DOWN MY NEIGHBORHOOD,
WE DO IT THE SAME BACK AND FORTH.
SO I THANK YOU FOR, UM, PUTTING THE SERIOUSNESS AND THE ACTUAL EFFORT ON MAKING SURE THAT OUR FIREFIGHTERS HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO PROTECT YOUR PEOPLE.
I GUESS FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE EVERYBODY DESERVES THESE PEOPLE DESERVE THEIR PAY.
I'M JUST A LONE CITIZEN HERE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S, MANY GUYS COME UP HERE AND SAY THESE THINGS I'VE SAID, BUT WE'RE THE TAXPAYERS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HEAR MISINFORMATION, 60% OF OUR, WE HAVE HEALTHY RESERVES OF 125,000 OR 125000060%.
WE ONLY HAVE $3.8 MILLION UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.
YOU ARE GOUGING THE CITIZENS WHO'S ADVOCATING FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE TAXPAYERS.
YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH MONEY AND YOU GOTTA SATISFY A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
BUT WHO'S AT THE TOP OF THE CHAIN FOOD CHAIN HERE? THE CITIZENS ARE, THE CITIZENS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE GONNA PAY TAXES.
THEY'RE GONNA PAY STATE TAXES, THEY'RE GONNA PAY INCREASE CITY TAXES.
THEY'RE GONNA PAY A LOT OF TAXES.
YOU'RE SAYING THESE THINGS AND YOU'RE ADVOCATING TO GET POLITICAL POINTS HERE AND THE CITIZENS ARE GONNA SUFFER.
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YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PATTING YOURSELVES IN THE BACK HERE AND NOBODY'S RECOGNIZING THE CITIZENS WHO GONNA PAY HERE.YOU KNOW, YOU'RE UNDER YOUR, YOUR, I GUESS THAT'S ABOUT HOW I'M GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S DONE.
YOU KNOW, UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE DON'T DESERVE THE PAY, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'VE DONE ENOUGH IN TERMS OF, UH, UM, OF FILLING OUT WHAT THE ANSWERS ARE.
NOBODY'S GONNA BE HAPPY AND CITIZENS AREN'T GONNA BE HAPPY.
AND YOU'RE SCORING POLITICAL POINTS AT CITIZENS SUFFERING.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS WE HAVE.
UM, WHAT IS A PLEASURE? LIKE TO MAKE MOTION? NO, THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING.
OH, IT'S JUST CALLED JUST A MOTION.
MOVE TO MOVE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION.
SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE HOOK.
MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.
CAN WE GET FLIPPED BACK OVER HERE? WE ARE ALMOST THERE, FOLKS.
[11.3 City Council Discussion and Direction Regarding Revisions to City Council Policy No. 105: Request by Member of City Council to Place an Item on a City Council Agenda]
NEXT WE GET DOWN ONTO OUR CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION REGARDING REVISIONS TO CITY COUNCIL POLICY 1 0 5, REQUEST BY A MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL TO PLACE AN ITEM ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA.AND I WILL GO TO THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT THIS ON, UH, MEMBER MOLINA.
UH, AND FIRST I WANNA THANK, UM, UH, MS. SHELLY CHAPEL, OUR CITY CLERK, AND MS. TANYA HUSSEIN FOR HELPING ME WITH, UH, THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS ITEM.
UM, I DID PROVIDE THE RED LINED VERSION, UH, ON MY SCREEN.
IT LOOKS BLUE SO IT'S NOT RED.
BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY IT IS OBVIOUS WHAT THE CHANGES ARE THAT I AM MAKING TO THIS POLICY.
UH, POLICY 1 0 5 AND, AND ALL OF THESE, UM, CHANGES HERE ARE ACCORDING TO THE INTRODUCTION THAT I HAD MADE BACK IN, UH, APRIL.
SO IF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON SOME OF THESE CHANGES OR IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WANT, UM, FURTHER EXPLANATION ON THESE CHANGES, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
AS I LOOK AT THIS UNDER, UM, FOUR POINT C, EACH COUNCIL MEMBER MAY HAVE NO MORE THAN TWO ACTIVE AGENDA ITEMS AT A TIME.
DOES THAT MEAN ON ANY ONE AGENDA OR ACTIVE AT ACTIVE IN THE HOPPER.
I JUST WANT TO JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON THAT.
SO I, I, YOU KNOW, RESOURCE CONSIDERATION, THAT IS AN ITEM THAT, UH, PROMPTED REALLY, UH, FOR ME THE NEED TO MAKE THIS, THIS, THIS CLARIFICATION TO THE POLICY.
UM, AND SO THE RESOURCE CONSIDERATION HERE, LIMITING A LITTLE BIT THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WE PRODUCED FOR OUR STAFF, UM, THAT'S THE AIM.
UM, THE, I'M NOT SEEING ANY QUESTIONS HERE, BUT I'M GONNA ASK OUR CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY, ANY AREAS HERE THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT AND SETTING AGENDAS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU ANY, YOU KNOW, ANY ISSUES OR ANYTHING? I, I THINK THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I JUST, I'M NOT READING IT IN THIS, BUT IF WE CAN GET THE REQUEST TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE MEETING, I, I DON'T KNOW.
FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT.
I, I FORGOT WHAT WE LANDED ON.
AND THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE WITH THAT IS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE AGENDA ON WEDNESDAY.
UM, BUT I THINK YOU'RE ALSO SAYING IN HERE THAT THE ATTORNEY OR THE MANAGER CAN KICK IT IF WE'RE NOT PREPARED TO, TO HAVE THE TIME TO REVIEW IT RIGHT.
UH, SO I GUESS, I GUESS THAT WORKS FOR US, BUT THE MORE TIMES THE BETTER FOR US.
WELL, I, AND I WOULD, I WOULD THINK, IF I CAN REMEMBER BACK ON ALL THE ONE OH FIVES WE'VE HAD TO THIS POINT, VAST MAJORITY OF 'EM, IT SAYS THEY HAVE TO BE IN BY FIVE O'CLOCK THE TUESDAY BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING, SINCE THE AGENDA GOES IS PUT TOGETHER
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ON WEDNESDAY THE NEXT NEXT MORNING.UM, AND I WOULD SAY THE VAST MAJORITY OF, OF ONE OH FIVES COME IN ABOUT FOUR 50 ON TUESDAY, ABOUT 10 MINUTES BEFORE THE, THE DEADLINE, UH, YOU KNOW, COME IN PRETTY LATE.
SO IT DOESN'T GIVE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE PREPARATION OF THE ONE PAGER AS DESCRIBED HERE IS THE RESPONS.
BUT THAT HAS TO BE TURNED IN AT THAT POINT, AND THAT'S WHAT WOULD GO ON THE AGENDA.
BUT, BUT YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK THE MORE TIME THAT STAFF HAS TO GET TO BE PREPARED, UH, CERTAINLY THE BETTER.
SO I WOULD, EVEN IF WE DON'T, IF WE CAN'T MAKE A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE WITHIN HERE, AT THE VERY LEAST, I THINK JUST OUTTA COURTESY, WE CAN GET THESE IN INSTEAD OF WAITING THE LAST MINUTE.
GETTING 'EM IN AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE WOULD CERTAINLY BE VERY CONSIDERATE ON STAFF'S TIME.
WELL, AND IT, IT'S MORE EFFECTIVE OF WHAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO PROBABLY ACHIEVE.
WHICH IS TO GET THEIR ITEM ON THE AGENDA, TO GET MOVEMENT ON IT.
AND FRANKLY, I, I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR BARRY, BUT, UM, WHEN WEDNESDAY POPS UP, YEAH.
WE'RE READING, YOU KNOW, 20 SOME ODD STAFF REPORTS, EDITING GOING BACK AND FORTH, AND WE'RE NOT EVEN, FRANKLY, I'M NOT EVEN LOOKING AT MY EMAILS EXCEPT FOR BETWEEN SEVEN AND EIGHT IN THE MORNING.
SO, UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE JUST CRANKING THAT.
WHAT, WHAT, FROM A STAFF'S POINT STANDPOINT, AS FAR AS PRACTICALITY, WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD THE, WHAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO YOU AS FAR AS A, A TIME TO HAVE THIS? SO IT GIVE YOU, GIVE YOU TIME TO AT LEAST MENTALLY PROCESS IT BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY STICK IT ON AN AGENDA? WELL, GETTING IT TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE WOULD, WOULD OKAY.
WOULD GIVE A HIGHER SUCCESS RATE, I THINK FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS SUBMITTING IT.
AND THEY GIVE US ENOUGH TIME TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF REVIEW THAT CAN HELP WITH THAT.
I, A BARRY LOOKS AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, BUT, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LOOK AT.
CINDY, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE 1 0 5 PROCESS HAS ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF A TWO STEP PROCESS.
BUT WE NEVER REALLY FOLLOW THE FIRST STEP,
AND BY THAT I MEAN, THE IDEA IS TO SUBMIT A ONE PAGE THAT COMES TO COUNCIL AND THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU IS WHETHER YOU EVEN WANT TO CONSIDER IT.
AND A LOT OF TIMES YOU JUST PUT IT ON THE AGENDA 'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA SAY NO.
AND SO WE END UP THEN IN THE SECOND STAGE, WHICH NOW BETWEEN THOSE TWO STAGES IS WHEN ALL OF THE STAFF TIME GOES.
UM, SO I, I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE REAL QUESTION IS THE FIRST STEP, AND WE'VE ADDED SOME MORE INFORMATION HERE.
AND I'M NOT, I, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR BECAUSE MY ROLE AT THE FIRST STEP IS REALLY JUST TO MAKE A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER IT SHOULD BE ON AN OPEN AGENDA OR A CLOSED SESSION.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH OTHER DISCRETION AND NOR DOES THE CITY MANAGER MM-HMM
SO NOW WE HAVE ALL THESE ADDITIONAL, THIS OTHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
SO ARE YOU ASKING US TO REVIEW THAT AND MAKE SOME DETERMINATION? OR ARE YOU JUST SAYING, THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO YOU WHEN IT GETS THERE FOR YOU TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU WANNA PUT IT ON THE AGENDA? THANK YOU, BARRY.
UH, I AM HAPPY THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT, THAT THE REALLY, UH, THE ONLY DISCRETION THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY HAVE IS WHETHER TO PLACE IT ON THE CLOSED SESSION OR OPEN SESSION.
UM, YOU'RE NOT REVIEWING THE REQUEST ITSELF.
THAT FIRST REVIEW COMES TO THE COUNCIL.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO, UH, PROVIDE IS THE INFORMATION LIKE THE, THE SUBSTANTIVE INFORMATION IN A ONE PAGER THAT THE COUNCIL CAN HAVE SO THAT THEY ARE PREPARED TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
DO, IS THIS SOMETHING I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH? OR, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT AT THIS TIME.
UM, AND I WANT THAT DECISION TO BE MADE WITH THE, IN THE SMALLEST TIME WINDOW POSSIBLE.
NO LONGER SPENDING AN HOUR DISCUSSING WHETHER WE'RE GONNA HEAR SOMETHING TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
UM, THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, BARRY, WE HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWING OUR PROCESS.
AND ACTUALLY, YOU JUST TRIGGERED MY MEMORY.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK MAYBE I WAS JOKING, MAYBE I WASN'T, I WAS VERY SERIOUS WHEN I PROPOSED IN APRIL THAT WHEN WE ARE INTRODUCING A 1 0 5 POLICY, THE APPLICANT CAN ONLY SPEND TWO MINUTES REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE 1 0 5.
SO IF THE REQUEST IS, UM, EXPRESSED, YOU KNOW, VERY NEATLY, VERY NICELY, VERY CONCISELY IN THAT ONE PAGE DOCUMENT, TWO MINUTES REALLY IS ALL YOU NEED
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TO INTRODUCE IT.AND THEN EACH UH, COUNCIL MEMBER AFTER THAT WOULD HAVE TWO MINUTES TO, YOU KNOW, ADD THEIR COMMENTS REGARDING THE MERITS ABOUT HEARING THE ITEM, UH, IN TOTALITY, UH, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW OR WHENEVER, UM, CITY MANAGER OR A DEPARTMENT HEAD SAYS IF IT IS APPROPRIATE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
SO REALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BARRY, IS GETTING US TO ADHERE TO THAT FIRST STEP, WHICH IS, ARE WE, UPON INTRODUCTION OF A 1 0 5, ARE WE GOING TO, UM, DECIDE RIGHT THEN AND THERE, DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE OR DO WE NOT? AND THAT'S IT.
UM, BRIEFLY, RODRIGUEZ, THANK YOU, MS. MAYOR.
UM, I, SO THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER FOR DOING THE WORK ON THIS ITEM AND BRINGING IT UP.
I DO THINK THERE ARE SOME VALID POINTS IN HERE.
UM, I THINK WE HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS MONTHS AGO, AND YOU MENTIONED, UH, YOU KNOW, BRINGING ITEMS UP THAT ARE, THAT ARE, UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE, MORE WELL THOUGHT OUT AND DEVELOPED.
UM, AND AT THE SAME TIME, SOMETIMES WHEN WE GET INTO POLICY DISCUSSIONS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL END UP BEING.
SO JUST TAKING TODAY'S COUNCIL MEETING, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TWO ITEMS, THERE'S TWO ITEMS WE VOTED ON THE, SAY SAN DIEGO, UH, TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE, AND THE, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE.
BOTH WERE BROUGHT UP THROUGH POLICY 1 0 5 REQUESTS, I THINK, TO ADDRESS PROBLEMS THAT ARE EXISTING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO BRING THOSE ITEMS OR ITEMS LIKE THAT UP, I THINK IT HAMPERS OUR OWN ABILITY TO ACTUALLY ADDRESS PROBLEMS. AND, AND SO I THINK, I THINK WE RUN FOR OFFICE TO ADDRESS LOCAL ISSUES.
AND IF WE DON'T HAVE, UM, AS STRONG OF AN ABILITY TO DO SO BECAUSE WE'RE HAMPERING OURSELVES THROUGH SOME OF THESE, UH, I THINK, UH, UH, MORE STRICT RULES, THEN THAT MAKES OUR JOB MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO ADDRESS LOCAL PROBLEMS. SO THAT'S THE PARTICULAR ISSUE I HAVE, UM, WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, SO JUST AS A, AS A CLARIFICATION AS WELL, IS THE, 'CAUSE THE OTHER ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT UP FOR DISCUSSION THROUGH A 1 0 5 REQUEST WAS THE PLANTING OF THE TREES.
UM, SO WE WENT OVER OUR URBAN PLAN AND COUNCIL MEMBER.
CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY, SO WHEN WE BROUGHT UP THAT ITEM, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, I CARE ABOUT IN MY DISTRICT, AND WE'VE BEEN PLANTING TREES NOW FOR, YOU KNOW, MONTHS.
BUT WE DIDN'T REALIZE, UM, HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES TO PLANT TREES.
IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME, EFFORT, ENERGY TO IDENTIFY THE LOCATIONS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO UNDERGROUND PLUMBING OR ELECTRICAL WORK OR ANY OF THAT.
AND, AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING A LOT WITH MARTA AND WITH STEVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROGRAM IS SUCCESSFUL ALONG WITH TREE SAN DIEGO.
LONG STORY SHORT, IT IS A VERY COMPLICATED PROCESS.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY WE SHOULDN'T GO THROUGH WITH IT, BUT ASKING A, UM, US TO CREATE A POLICY 1 0 5 REQUEST, KNOWING ALL OF THAT IS EXCEEDINGLY DIFFICULT, IF NOT NEAR IMPOSSIBLE.
AND SO WITHOUT HAVING AN ACTUAL DISCUSSION TO SEE IF WE WANNA MAKE THIS AS A PRIORITY AS COUNSEL.
SO THOSE ARE MY, UH, HESITATIONS.
AND THE REASON I, IT, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, WELL, THIS, THIS IS ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE OUR LIFE EASIER.
I THINK IT'S GONNA MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO ADDRESS PROBLEMS. THANK YOU.
UM, I, UH, AGREE WITH YOU THAT A REQUEST THAT WE COME UP WITH, WE WON'T HAVE ALL OF THE ANSWERS, AND WE WILL NEED STAFF TO HELP US.
UM, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE IS, UH, WELL, LET ME GO BACK.
THE REQUEST FORM DOES APPEAR TO HAVE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS ON IT, BUT I I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT IT IS OVERTAXING.
AND IF YOU SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER, IT IS FINE TO REPLY TO THE QUESTION.
I WILL NEED STAFF TO HELP US ARRIVE AT THIS.
WE DO, YOU KNOW, AT THIS, AT THIS, IT'S FINE TO, UH, PROVIDE AS LITTLE INFORMATION AS YOU HAVE BEEN ALL ALONG, OR ACTUALLY SPEND THE TIME AND, AND DEVELOP THE IDEA FOR STAFF OR FOR FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THEN EVENTUALLY FOR STAFF.
UM, I HEAR YOU THAT IT IS GOING TO CAUSE MORE WORK FOR THE REQUESTER.
UM, AND THAT'S FINE WITH ME BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING THEN IS REMOVING THAT WORK FROM STAFF, WHICH I UNDERSTOOD IS THE PROBLEM IS WE ARE JUST THROWING IDEA, YOU KNOW, CONJURING UP IDEAS AND THROWING THEM AT STAFF AND EXPECTING STAFF TO DEVELOP THE IDEA FOR US, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS BE A LOT MORE COGNIZANT OF
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THE WORK THAT WE ARE CREATING AND, UM, GIVE IT MORE FORESIGHT, MORE THOUGHT INTO, UH, WHAT WE REALLY ARE TALKING ABOUT.NOT JUST AN IDEA ABOUT PLANTING TREES, RIGHT? NO.
ACTUALLY SPEND THE TIME, FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS, UM, AND THEN SUBMIT YOUR 1 0 5 WITH AS MUCH INFORMATION AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN.
I MAY, MAY NOT QUESTION THE PART.
UM, WHAT IS THE SECTION JOSE, THAT, UM, THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THE PROPOSAL WHERE, UM, THE, THE, THE LENGTH IN, IN YOUR COMMENT THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO, WHICH SECTION IS THAT? UM, OR NOT THE LENGTH? THE, UM, YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT THE POLICY ITSELF.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S LIKE PAGE THREE.
UH, LET'S SEE, 0.4, SUBSECTION A, THE CITY MANAGER MAY OR SHALL MAYOR OR SHALL REVIEW ALIGNMENT WITH THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN.
SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS MUST INCLUDE COST BENEFIT AND STAFF TIME ANALYSIS.
EACH COUNCIL MEMBER MAY HAVE NO MORE THAN TWO ACTIVE AGENDA ITEMS AT EACH TIME.
SO, UM, WHAT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, UM, IS, SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR TO CITY STAFF.
SO IF WE DON'T KNOW, LIKE LUCY, YOU WERE SAYING, SO IF WE DON'T KNOW A COST ESTIMATE OR PROJECTION, THEN WE PUT UNKNOWN, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE A LOAN CAUSE FOR EITHER THE CITY MANAGER OR THE CITY ATTORNEY, WHOEVER'S REVIEWING IT TO JUST DENY IT STRAIGHT OUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
UH, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEN THE, WHAT THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT IS.
UM, AGAIN, THE CITY MANAGER AND THE, UH, MAYOR, I, I THINK PREVIOUSLY IT WAS JUST THE MAYOR WHO WOULD RECEIVE THE REQUEST AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT AUTOMATICALLY GO ON THE, UH, NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
SO IF THE REQUEST WAS SUBMITTED TUESDAY, THEN YOU KNOW, THE AGENDA REVIEW WEDNESDAY WOULD INCLUDE THAT 1 0 5 REQUEST AC ACTUALLY, IT WENT EITHER TO THE CITY CLERK OR CITY MANAGER DIDN'T COME TO ME.
I DID NOT HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY.
WHICH, OKAY, NOW I KNOW WHY MY 1 0 5 HASN'T BEEN PROCESSED BECAUSE I SENT IT OVER TO YOU,
I DIDN'T SEND IT TO THE CITY CLERK.
YOU KNOW, UM, THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CLARIFY RIGHT NOW AT THIS MOMENT, IS, UH, PUT IN HERE, SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY CLERK.
UM, SO PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, UM, MS. SHELLY, MS. TANYA, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT EVALUATION, UH, UNDER RESOURCE CONSIDERATION FOR A, UM, IT'S NOT THE CITY MANAGER OR THE MAYOR THAT WILL REVIEW FOR ALIGNMENT TO THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN.
DOES IT MAKE SENSE THAT THAT WOULD THEN GO TO THE CITY CLERK? WELL, NO.
THE, THE REQUEST SHOULD GO TO THE CITY CLERK, BUT THEN THE EVALUATION, BUT THEN THEY WOULD FORWARD IT OVER UHHUH.
SO WHO IS MAKING THE EVALUATION? CITY MANAGER USUALLY DOES.
SO THEN MY, MY SUGGESTION IS CORRECT, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, OR THE MAYOR, I THINK IT INCLUDED THE MAYOR PARTS.
YOU'RE JUST SAYING JUST, SO THEN ARE WE SAYING JUST THE CITY MANAGER, MANAGER, OR JUST YEAH.
WE CAN STRIKE AND MAYOR FROM YEAH.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PART TO DOING THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT ACTUALLY IS BETTER, RIGHT? WE ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON.
UM, AND THEN THAT WAY THE CITY MANAGER CAN BE AWARE OF WHAT'S IN THE HOPPER.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, SO I FEEL ON, ON THIS THAT I, AND THANK YOU LOUIS FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.
AND I KNOW YOU PUT IN A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT IN, IN THIS, AND WE, WE'VE HAD SOME, UH, DISCUSSIONS.
WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE, TRYING TO MAKE IT, UH, SIMPLE, BUT STILL TRYING TO GET THE MM-HMM
THE DETAILS AND ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
SO I, IF, UM, SO I, I THINK THIS IS ALL GOOD.
AND IF IT COULD BE, UM, UH, LIKE ON THIS, THE URGENCY I SEE POTENTIAL FINANCIAL LOSS, LEGAL IMPLICATIONS, PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, RISKS.
I, I THINK THERE'S, THIS IS A, A GUIDE AND AS LONG AS THE CITY MANAGER DETERMINES THAT IT MEETS THIS, AND IF NOT, THEN LET'S, I, I'M WILLING TO TRY IT.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN IF THIS DOESN'T WORK, UM, GO LIKE, SEE, WH WHICH PART, MAYBE THIS IS OVERLY, UM, LIKE, UH, OVERLY, I, I AM TIRED IN LOSING MY WORDS NOW.
SO, SO SECTION FOUR UNDER URGENCY, WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, VICE MAYOR, THOSE YOU
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WOULD ONLY HAVE TO ADDRESS IF YOU'RE CALLING YOUR REQUEST URGENT.RIGHT? IF YOUR, IF YOUR REQUEST IS NOT URGENT, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS THE POTENTIAL FINANCIAL LOSS.
IF IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, ATTACKED AT THAT MOMENT, THE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS, PUBLIC SAFETY RISK, BLAH, BLAH.
YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS WOULD BE GOOD.
'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHAT WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE GETTING A ONE SENTENCE, 1 0 5 AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, I WANNA PUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, YEAH, I, TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE.
WHAT DO YOU WANNA PUT? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IT IS.
SO, I MEAN, THIS GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF EXPLANATION.
'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE ARE VOTING FOR STUFF JUST SO WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT IT IS.
EVEN, EVEN JUST A BA VERY BASIC CONCEPT.
AND SO I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE MEAT.
AND, AND SO YEAH, FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I, I THINK THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF, A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE VOTED ON THINGS AND IT'S JUST BASICALLY LET'S VOTE ON IT TO FIND OUT WHAT IT EVEN, WHAT IT IS.
UH, SO, AND I THINK FOR, UM, UH, FOR MOVING FORWARD FOR, SO FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE 1 0 5 REQUESTS THAT MR. UH, GARCIA SEE HIM STANDING HERE, THAT HE BROUGHT UP IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, WHY THE, UM, UH, WHY THE PREVIOUS 1 0 5 REQUESTS THAT WE APPROVED, WHICH WAS THE, UH, RESOLUTIONS FOR THE UTILITY BILLS.
SO THERE, SO I, SO FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, I HAD THOUGHT I HAD SUBMITTED EVERYTHING TO, TO STAFF BECAUSE I SENT THE RESOLUTION.
AND THEN THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON, WELL, WAS I SUPPOSED TO DO THE STAFF REPORT AND THAT? SO I THINK THOSE ARE SOME KINKS WE CAN WORK OUT.
SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT WAS WHAT THE, WHAT THE DELAY WAS.
BUT THAT WASN'T, NOT POINTING THE FINGERS.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT WAS LIKE, UM, MISCOMMUNICATION.
I KNOW YOU PUT IT IN A SLIP, PLEASE.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS, THIS, UH, THIS NEW MOVEMENT.
UH, BUT MS. MOLINAS, UH, SHE KIND OF HIT IT NOT FOLLOWING CERTAIN PROCEDURES.
AND MS. RODRIGUEZ ALSO PRETTY MUCH HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
THERE'S GONNA BE LONG DISCUSSIONS, AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE.
AND MY CONCERN WITH THIS, HONESTLY, IS WE'RE SHIFTING CERTAIN POWERS, YOUR NAME'S ON THE BOARD, AND I DON'T WANNA PUT ANYTHING TO BE LIMITED EVEN DOWN TO ONE SHEET.
IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, IF THEY'RE ONLY NOT PROVIDING ENOUGH, THEN PUT THE FIVE W'S, THE WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHY, HOW, SO YOU CAN GET THOSE INFORMATIONS, BUT LIMITING IT DOWN TO ONE SHEET IS NOT GONNA BE AN ANSWER.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA SILENCE THE PEOPLE.
WE NEED TO BE MORE OPEN ONTO THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
AND THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE ELECTED ARE THE ONES GONNA SEE EVERYTHING THAT COMES ACROSS, NOT LIMITING IT TO WHO IS ACTUALLY GONNA DECIDE WHO'S GONNA MAKE IT TO YOUR DESK.
AND THOSE LONG CONTESTANTS, THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE THERE.
NOW WE CAN'T WHAT, SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR.
THIS WOULD JUST BE SO YOU CAN BRING SOMETHING TO THE COUNCIL, SO SEE IF THE COUNCIL EVEN WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT'S WHEN YOU BRING OUT ALL THE MATERIAL.
AND SO IT'S NOT, THIS IS JUST A SEED.
YOU EVEN WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS SUBJECT BECAUSE I MEAN, WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, AND PARTICULARLY AS THEY GET CLOSER TO ELECTION TIME, WE GET PEOPLE USED TO BRING STUFF UP AND SAY, I WANT THIS ON THE AGENDA.
OR WE JUST COME IN AND SAY, PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA.
AND IT WAS, IT WAS STUFF THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CITY GOVERNMENT, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH US, BUT IT WAS JUST FLUFF.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE FINALLY CAME UP WITH A 1 0 5 PROCEDURE TO TRY TO NOT NARROW SOME OF THAT DOWN.
SO IT WOULD, AND SO THIS WAY IT JUST GIVES US A DECISION.
DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT? DOES IT, IS IT SOMETHING IN OUR PURVIEW? UM, BUT THEN IF WE DECIDE TO DO THAT, IT GOES ON A FUTURE AGENDA, AND WE DON'T MAKE ANY DECISION AT THIS POINT OTHER THAN WE'RE GOING TO, WE WILL BRING BACK THE INFORMATION SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT, BUT IT, BUT IT JUST KEEPS US FROM SPENDING A WHOLE LOT OF TIME PUTTING A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF TOGETHER THAT WE DON'T EVEN WANNA TALK ABOUT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
JUST MAKING A CHOKE POINT THAT WAY EVERYTHING FILTERS THROUGH MM-HMM
I I, I, I THINK I HEARD
UM, SO UNDER THIS PROPOSAL, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, LAST COUNCIL MEETING, YOU PLACED ON AN AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION AT 1 0 5, 2 SPECIFIC ITEMS, WHICH WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED YET.
UNDER THIS PROPOSAL, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BRING SOMETHING UP UNTIL THOSE TWO ITEMS ARE RESOLVED.
SO, SO SOME OF THOSE ITEMS ARE NOT INCREDIBLY TIME SENSITIVE.
IT'S LIKE, DO WE ADOPT, UM, THESE PARTICULAR SET OF STATE BILLS BECAUSE IT HELPS OUR, UM, UH, UH, WHAT IS IT CALLED? UM, IT WAS THE UTILITY.
THE UTILITY RATE PAYERS UTIL YEAH.
THEN I ATTACHED THE RELU THE RESOLUTION FOR THE DRAFT RESOLUTION.
SO, SO I THINK, I THINK, UM, MY CONCERN IS THE LIMITING OF OUR ABILITY
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TO BRING UP ITEMS, EVEN IF THEY'RE AS SIMPLE AS THAT, THAT CAN HAVE A PROFOUND IMPACT ON A STATE BILL, OR EVEN ON A LOCAL LEVEL, JUST CHANGING A SPECIFIC POLICY LANGUAGE THAT DOESN'T TAKE A TON OF TIME.SO AGAIN, I, I AM WORRIED ABOUT US RESTRICTING OURSELVES INTO WHAT WE CAN DO AS ELECTED OFFICIALS.
I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE.
AND, AND IN THIS CASE, SO I THINK IN THIS CASE, I, FOR, FOR ME, I THINK IT WOULD STILL, UM, IT WOULD STILL F FUNCTION.
SO I COULD ADD A FEW MORE, UH, A FEW MORE DETAILS.
BUT, BUT THEN I, UH, BUT THE, THE COST, SOME OF THAT, I THINK IT WOULD JUST BE A GENERAL STATEMENT.
THIS IS POTENTIAL, A SAVINGS TO RATE, RATE RATE PAYERS.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY, RIGHT? BUT, BUT NO, THIS IS SAYING WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, THIS IS SAYING THAT IT, YOU HAVE TO GIVE A COST BENEFIT AND STAFF TIME ANALYSIS.
SO HOW MUCH STAFF TIME IS NEEDED IN ORDER TO BRING THAT ITEM UP FOR DISCUSSION, BUT SAY MINIMAL.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE SOME OF THE STUFF IS, YOU CAN SAY IT'S MINIMAL, RIGHT? YOU CAN PROVIDE AS MUCH OR AS LITTLE INFORMATION AS YOU WANT TO.
JOSE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING UPSET.
DOESN'T I JUST HAVE GENUINE, LIKE QUESTIONS.
BUT I'M SAYING, BUT I, I'M SAYING IS MY AIM IS TO REMOVE THE BURDEN THAT WE HAVE CAUSED OUR STAFF THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS AS LAW.
AS FAR AS, OR FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN ON COUNSEL, I, I HAVE NOTICED HOW THIS 1 0 5 POLICY HAS NOT WORKED, HAS BEEN ABUSED.
ALL I AM TRYING TO DO WITH THE CHANGES THAT I HAVE PROPOSED IS TO REMOVE THE BURDEN ON OUR STAFF AND OUR VERY LIMITED RESOURCES.
AND, UM, IF THAT MEANS YOU CAN ONLY ASK FOR TWO THINGS AT A TIME, I'M WILLING TO TRY THAT.
LEMME JUST ASK WHY NOT JUST VOTE NO ON A POLICY 1 0 5 REQUEST THAT, THAT MARCUS WAS BROUGHT UP? WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? IF WE VOTE NO ON A 1 0 5, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ONE IN THE HOPPER.
YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND, UH, BUT I'M ASKING ISSUE, ANOTHER ONEM ASKING, WHAT'S WRONG WITH DOING THAT NOW? JUST VOTING NO ON THE ITEMS, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW WE ARE USING IT RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT'S NOT TO WE, THAT'S NOT, NOT IN PRACTICE HOW IT HAS HAPPENED.
I, I, AGAIN, I, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE HAMPERING OURSELVES, BUT, UM, AND I THINK IF WE DON'T WANT ITEMS TO BE DISCUSSED AND PLACE THIS BURDEN UPON STAFF, WE SHOULD JUST VOTE NO ON IT.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
UH, REMEMBER YOUR MIND, YOU, THANK YOU, UM, THROUGH THE CHAIR.
I THINK, UM, WE'RE MAKING THIS, UH, ONE COMPLICATED ROBERT'S RULE SAID IF THERE IS AN AGENDA FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OR THE COUNCIL, THEY PRESENT IT TO THE PRESIDING OFFICER AND PRESIDING OFFICER.
WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY CLERK.
YOU, I MEAN, TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF THAT.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA START, I APPRECIATE THIS, THE, THE, THE, UM, THE, UM, THE DESCRIPTION THAT'S HERE.
BUT I THINK, UM, IF THAT ITEM IS NOT IN THE AGENDA AND THEN WE START DISCUSSING IT THROUGH EMAIL, THROUGH A PIECE OF PAPER, THEN WE MAY BE VIOLATING A BROWN ACT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK THE 1 0 5 HAPPENED BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY IT WAS CHAOTIC, JUST LIKE WHAT MAYOR SAID.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE COMPLICATING IT FOR A VERY SIMPLE ROBERT'S RULE.
THERE IS AN AGENDA THAT I WANT, THAT'S WHY I DON'T USE 1 0 5, 2 AND A HALF YEARS.
I JUST, THIS IS SOME, THIS IS SOMETHING, THINK, THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, MEAN IT GOES IN THE AGENDA BECAUSE THE MAYOR WITH THE CITY CLERK WILL SAY IT'S RELEVANT TO WHAT WE'RE DEALING RIGHT NOW, BUT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE OF THE 1 0 5, I THINK THAT ONE PIECE OF PAPER, AND THEN WE VOTE IF WE WANTED IT IN THE AGENDA, SO THEN WE'RE NOT HAVING THE, THE APPEARANCE OR THIS PERCEPTION OF VIOLATING ANY BROWN ACT.
BUT I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU.
YOU DON'T GIVE ALL THE BACKUP.
YOU, YOU'RE ALREADY DISCUSSING IT.
YOU'RE ALREADY BY GIVING YOU, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IT, THE, THE, THE BUT YOU, THE, THE ITEM.
BUT FOR EXAMPLE, BUT YOU'RE NOT DISCUSSING WITH ANYBODY ELSE OUTSIDE OF A COUNCIL MEETING.
IT GETS DISTRIBUTED TO THE FIVE OF US, CORRECT? RIGHT.
AND THAT IS ALLOWED, EVERY ITEM ON THE AGENDA GETS ALL FIVE OF US.
SO THAT'S NOT FILING, BUT THAT'S NOTICED.
WE NOTICED IT 72 HOURS WHEN WE GET THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION, WE NOTICED IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, THE SET NUMBER OF HOURS THAT WE HAVE TO, SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE, IF YOU GIVE ME A PIECE OF PAPER THAT HAS DESCRIPTION THERE, AND WE ALL FIVE OF US READ IT, THE FIVE OF US THAT VOTE, AREN'T WE VIOLATING ANYTHING? NO, WE'RE NOT.
AND IN FACT, WE ARE FACILITATING THAT DECISION MM-HMM
BECAUSE REALLY IT IS A, UM, YOU'RE PROVIDING THE INFORMATION, RIGHT.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE HAVE THE INFORMATION IN THAT PIECE OF PAPER.
AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE STRICTLY ONE PAGE, RIGHT? IT, IT COULD, I DON'T
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KNOW.I'M WILLING TO BE, UH, UH, LENIENT ON SOME OF THAT.
BUT WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY IS WE NEED TO ADHERE TO PROPOSING AN IDEA AS BEST AS WE CAN MM-HMM
AND MAKING A DEC, ALLOWING THE COUNCIL, ALLOWING OUR COLLEAGUES TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
DO YOU WANNA PROCEED OR NOT? AND THIS ENTIRE PROCESS SHOULD NOT TAKE MORE THAN 10 MINUTES.
UM, AND SHOULD NOT, THIS INITIAL STEP SHOULD NOT CREATE ANY WORK FOR STAFF.
LET, LET, LET ME, LET ME ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY, I THINK WE JUST BROUGHT UP, THERE WAS LIKE A LEGAL ISSUE THAT, THAT TO DO THIS WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF, COULD BE A VIOLATION OF BROWN ACT.
COULD YOU STEP IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT? QUICKSAND.
UH, SO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS REVISING A PROCESS WE ALREADY HAVE MM-HMM
AND SUBMITTING MORE INFORMATION IN THE FRONT END THAN WE'VE EVER DONE BEFORE.
THAT INFORMATION WILL THEN BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY MANAGER.
HE'LL REVIEW IT, I'LL REVIEW IT FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING OPEN SESSION OR CLOSED SESSION.
AND THEN IT GETS PUT ON THE AGENDA.
NO BROWN ACT VIOLATION AT THAT POINT.
THE FIRST TIME YOU GUYS WILL SEE THAT IS WHAT YOUR AGENDA OF PRACTICE, THAT'S THE WAY I THINK IT'S INTENDED TO WORK.
SO I, THE, THE OTHER PROBLEM I THINK WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT BROWN ACT IS THAT SOMETIMES YOU GUYS WILL PUT OUT A 1 0 5 THAT HAS VERY LITTLE INFORMATION, AND YOU MAY BE PROMPTED TO ASK EACH OTHER YES.
WHAT'S THIS, WHAT'S THIS ABOUT? YEAH.
WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO POTENTIAL TROUBLE.
AND THIS IS TRYING TO THINK, PREVENT THAT.
I, UH, I'M, I'M WILLING TO TRY THIS OUT AND DISCUSS, DISCUSS, AND I THINK WE CAN, UM, BRING IT BACK ON ANOTHER 1 0 5 REQUEST TO, TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS.
UM, THE THING THAT I, I, I FEEL IT MIGHT TIE OUR HANDS IN SIMILAR TO CONVERSATION EARLIER, CITY MANAGER AND MAYOR SHALL REVIEW ALIGNMENT WITH THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN.
SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, MAYBE IT'S, WE JUST SUGGEST THAT THE CITY MANAGER MAY REVIEW.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
I, I AM MAKING THAT CHANGE, UM, FOR A IS STRIKE AND MAYOR.
UH, SO I GOT A, A PRACTICAL QUESTION.
I WAS ALL ON BOARD AFTER BARRY DID HIS SPIEL ABOUT SAYING WHAT WE HAD TO DO.
AND I WAS GONNA REEL BACK MY REQUEST FROM TWO WEEKS TO WHAT YOU HAD, BECAUSE ALL I'M LOOKING AT IS, IS IT A CLOSED SESSION OR OPEN SESSION ITEM? MM-HMM
AND THAT'S EASY TO DO ON TUESDAY BEFORE THE AGENDA.
AND BARRY'S ONLY THEN WE CAN LIVE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE.
NO, BUT YOUR TASK WOULD ALSO BE TO REVIEW WITH ALIGNMENT OF THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN AS THIS IS WRITTEN.
YEAH, I WOULD, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
YOU COME TALK TO ME BEFORE YOU GIVE ME THE 1 0 5, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT PART OF IT.
SO I, I GUESS WHAT I HAD ASKED BEFORE, SO THIS FORM AND ALL THE INFORMATION ON IT, UM, I THOUGHT WAS INTENDED TO BE GIVEN TO THE COUNSEL ROLL TO REVIEW BEFORE YOU HAD THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANNA PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
ALL THAT INFORMATION AND DECISIONS ABOUT ALIGNMENT TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE, ARE YOU ASKING THE CITY MANAGER TO DO THAT AS PART OF THE REVIEW OF THE INITIAL 1 0 5 REQUEST? YES.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE FORM MM-HMM
SECTION TWO IS JUSTIFICATION FOR, UM, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW, YOUR IMPACT.
AGAIN, YOUR RESPONSE HERE CAN BE AS BRIEF OR AS DETAILED AS YOU WANT IT TO BE.
YOU HAVE TO, UM, ADDRESS WHETHER THIS IS AN URGENT MATTER OR NOT.
AND IF IT IS AN URGENT MATTER MATTER, THERE'S FURTHER CONSIDERATIONS YOU NEED TO ADDRESS.
NUMBER FIVE, STRATEGIC ALIGNMENT.
THE PROPOSER WOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW THIS PROPOSAL ALIGNS WITH THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN OR COUNCIL PRIORITIES.
THAT WOULD BE THE PART THAT THEN WOULD BE EVALUATED BY THE CITY MANAGER.
I'M NOT ASKING THE CITY MANAGER TO GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS HERE.
IT TRULY IS JUST, UM, EVALUATE THE REQUEST.
UM, IF YOU THINK THAT THAT'S ONEROUS AND NOT NECESSARY, I'M OKAY STRIKING IT OUT.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING
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FROM THE REQUESTER.UH, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN HOW THIS ALIGNS WITH THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN.
IF IT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN, AGAIN, THAT'S OKAY.
JUST SAY IT DOESN'T, AND THEN WE GET THAT INFORMATION AND THEN WE GET TO MAKE A DETERMINATION.
ARE WE GOING TO CONSIDER THIS ITEM YES OR NO? UNDERSTOOD.
I WOULD JUST THEN SUGGEST I'LL, UM, I'LL, UM, CHANGING THAT LANGUAGE TO THE, THE, UM, THE PROPOSER SH UH, SHOULD STATE ALIGNMENT WITH THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN ON WHICH SECTION INSTEAD OF THE CITY, UM, SECTION FOUR A.
OH, SO I, I'M JU I'M LOOKING AT FOUR A THAT EVERYTHING ELSE I THINK IS FINE.
AND FOUR A, SO, SO THE ONLY THING I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY, AND, AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT SCOTT'S TALKING ABOUT.
THE, THE QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU SUBMIT YOUR 1 0 5 MM-HMM
WHAT, WHAT DISCRETION DOES THE CITY MANAGER HAVE IN REVIEWING THAT? I UNDERSTAND HE'S GONNA GET THIS DOCUMENT WITH ALL THIS INFORMATION ON IT.
IS HE, IS HE SUPPOSED, ALL I SEE RIGHT NOW IS THAT HIS ONLY REAL DETERMINATION IS WHETHER OR NOT IT ALIGNS WITH THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN.
IF IT DOES, HE DOESN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.
NO, IT'S JUST, I GOT A 1 0 5, IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK, OR IT'S 4 49 ON A TUESDAY, AND HE'S GOTTA LOOK AND SEE IF IT, IT COMPLIES WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
SO THIS IS, SO THAT'S AN, AND YOU BETTER CALL ME UP AND TELL ME THAT YOU SENT IT TO ME,
RIGHT? WELL, WELL CHECK THIS OUT.
UM, WHETHER THE CITY MANAGER DETERMINES A YES OR A NO.
WHAT GONNA HAPPEN IS THE 1 0 5 WILL COME TO THE COUNCIL FOR INTRODUCTION, AND THEN WE WILL ASK CITY MANAGER, DO YOU AGREE THAT THIS ALIGNS WITH OUR STRATEGIC PLAN? HE CAN SAY YES OR NO RIGHT THEN AND THERE THAT WILL ALLOW US TO MAKE A DECISION.
ARE WE GOING TO CONSIDER THIS ITEM FOR DISCUSSION IN TWO WEEKS, OR ARE WE NOT? IF THE CITY MANAGER RIGHT NOW SAYS, ACTUALLY, NO, THIS DOESN'T QUITE ALIGN, OR IT'S NOT PER THE PRIORITIES THAT WOULD SWAY MY DECISION.
SO, SO THEN WHAT I'M HEARING IS IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION THEN IT, IT, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO IN EARLIER THAN, UH, THE TUESDAY BEFORE COUNCIL MEETING? WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M OKAY IF THE CITY MANAGER ALSO ANSWERS.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED OR, YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION THERE.
I DON'T HAVE A SUGGESTION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT TOO.
BUT, BUT THE WAY IT WORKS NOW IS WE GET THE REQUEST, HE LOOKS AT IT, I LOOK AT IT, HE SAYS ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT, NOTHING, NOTHING OUT THERE.
IS IT OPEN OR CLOSED SESSION? MM-HMM
IT'S A FIVE MINUTE CONVERSATION AT BOTH.
WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY NOW IS THAT YES, HE WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT NOT AS PART OF THE DECISION TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, BUT TO BE PREPARED WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE THAT ONE, TO BE ABLE TO SAY YAY OR NAY.
SO THE INITIAL DECISION OF WE GOT IT.
DOES WE, DO WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA? UH, THE AGENDA IS STILL THE SIMPLE ONE THAT WE HAVE.
AND AGAIN, I I DON'T WANNA TASK THANK YOU, BARRY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
I DON'T WANNA TASK ANYBODY WITH ANY EXTRA WORK.
UM, IF THE ANSWER FROM THE CITY MANAGER, AGAIN IS NEUTRAL, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
I I, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.
ON ONE PART HERE IS, ON THE EVALUATION, IT SAYS IT MAY BE PLACED ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
DO WE WANT ONE OH FIVES PLACED ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR? SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I HAD PROPOSED AS AN INCENTIVE.
IF YOU HAD PROVIDED A FULLY FORMED IDEA, AND THE PART THAT WOULD GO ON CONSENT IS THAT INTRODUCTION, RIGHT.
IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY GO ON CONSENT.
HOPEFULLY WE WOULD SAY YES TO ALL THE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS. SO THEN IN TWO WEEKS WE SEE IT FOR THE FULL DISCUSSION.
UM, WHO MAKES THE DETERMINATION AS TO IS IT GONNA GO ON CON I GUESS IT WOULD HAVE TO BE FOR ALL TO, UM, UH, CITY MANAGER OR, I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I, I STILL, WELL, I, IF I COULD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PLACE ON, ON HERE FOR COUNCIL AND YOU KNOW, FOR CO AND TO ME, THIS IS SOMETHING COMING FROM A COUNCIL MEMBER AND IT, SO IT SHOULD GO UNDER THAT COUNCIL AREA.
AGAIN, I WAS TRYING, THAT WOULD BE MY OWN TO PROVIDE AN INCENTIVE CONCERN.
AND EVEN FURTHER, YOU KNOW, REMOVE THIS, UM, ONEROUS TIME THAT WE SPEND AT THE END OF THE
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COUNCIL MEETING, DISCUSSING 1 0 5 REQUESTS BEFORE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS 'EM.I, I, ON THE, ON THE CONSENT THING, UM, I MEAN, IF THAT, THAT'S YOUR, UM, IDEA, MAYBE HOW IT COULD WORK IS, SO EVEN THE, THE, THE RESO IS, SO THE RESOLUTION, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WE HAD ALREADY APPROVED INDIRECT TO STAFF IF THAT WERE TO COME BACK ON THE UTILITY BILLS.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT COULD, IF ALL EVERYTHING IS THERE, THAT THAT COULD BE PLACED ON CONSENT FOR? NO.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD WE, WHAT WOULD WE PUT ON CONSENT? CONSENT PURPOSE, THE 1 0 5 REQUEST CONSENT WOULD BE THE INTRODUCTION OF A 1 0 5.
AND, AND, AND SEE MIGHT OVERCOMPLICATE THINGS.
AND, BUT YEAH, AND SEE FOR ME, THAT'S, THAT'S A COUNCIL THING, SO THAT OUGHT TO BE PUT UNDER OUR COUNSEL ITEMS. THAT'S FINE.
UM, I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM MAKING A MOTION THAT WE MOVE AHEAD WITH THIS.
TAKE OUT LIKE ON THAT, UH, FOUR A, THE ANN MAYOR OUT OF THAT, AND THEN ALSO THE DEAL ABOUT THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
UH, BUT THOSE TWO THINGS, I WOULD MAKE A, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION.
I WOULD SECOND AND YES, I AM OKAY WITH CHANGING FOUR A THE WAY THE MAYOR DESCRIBED AND REMOVING 0.5 B.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA? YES.
MAY I ADD SOMETHING, PLEASE? OF COURSE.
ON ITEM TWO A, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE A SINGLE, IT SAYS A SINGLE PAGE.
SO INSTEAD OF A SINGLE PAGE, CAN IT BE A MINIMUM PAGE OR, YEAH.
AND IT'S ADDRESSED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PLACES.
SO IF WE COULD JUST CHANGE THAT SO THAT THE SINGLE PAGE IS FIND OUT.
WELL, YOUR HONOR, IT WAS JUST, SO JUST REMOVE SINGLE PAGE AND IT WOULD BE A COUNCIL AGENDA ITEM REQUEST FORM.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? CAN WE GET A, OH, DO, DID, DO WE? OH, OKAY.
STRIKE FOUR A OR STRIKE AND MAYOR, STRIKE AND MAY AND MAYOR.
AND, UM, CLARIFICATION ON FIVE, STRIKE B.
AND ALSO CLARIFICATION THAT THE
IF IT DOES, UH, FOLLOW OUR STRATEGIC PLANS, THEN IT IS PLACED ON THE AGENDA.
IT'LL BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA.
WHETHER, WHETHER IT FOLLOWS OR NOT, THAT IS JUST INFORMATION TO INFORM.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE VOTE.
UM, WITH THAT, WE WILL GO DOWN THROUGH THE REST OF COUNCIL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, LET'S SEE.
THAT'S WHAT WAS ACTUALLY UNDER STAFFED.
[12. CITY MANAGER’S REPORT]
CITY MANAGER, UH, JUST, UH, REACHING BACK OUT TO COUNCIL ABOUT, UH, SETTING AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING TO TALK ABOUT OUR COUNCIL PRIORITIES, OUR CITY PRIORITIES.AND, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY ITEM I HAVE.
DO WE WANNA DO THAT AS FAR AS ACTUALLY ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA OR WORKSHOP? BEFORE THE COUNCIL? OR WHICH, UM, WELL, IF WE'RE THINKING WE CAN DO THAT IN AN HOUR, I THINK, I THINK IT'S, IT, IT'S WHAT? IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS, BUT WE CAN DO IT EITHER WAY.
YEAH, BECAUSE LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE AGENDA, BECAUSE SEE WHAT ALL WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA.
I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT I SAID YEAH, BUT WE'LL KNOW CLOSER TO THAT POINT.
'CAUSE I MAY, MAY TAKE SOME TIME.
WHAT THAT, WHEN IS THAT? THE NINTH? NO, THE 16TH.
UH, SO IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, UH, WE'LL GO START DOWN HERE WITH
[13. ELECTED OFFICIALS REPORT]
COUNCIL COMMENTS.UH, JUST REALLY QUICK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STAFF AND, UH, PUBLIC WORKS IN PARTICULAR.
UH, WE HAVE OUR NEXT ADOPT A TREAT DATE.
THAT'LL BE ON FRIDAY, OCTOBER 10TH.
WE'RE WORKING ALONGSIDE COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI TO PLANT 100 TREES IN THE VICINITY.
WE'RE WE'RE HOPING TO MEET OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN GOALS TO PLANT 1800 TREES IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
UH, WE'VE COMMITTED TO PLANT HUNDREDS OF THEM IN OUR OWN DISTRICT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS, SO PLEASE COME HELP US OUT.
FIREFIGHTERS WERE THERE LAST TIME, MIKE, HE WAS REALLY GOOD AT PUTTING SOME OF THOSE ANCHORS AND PLANTED TREES.
SO, UH, ANY HELP WE CAN GET, UH, WOULD
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BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.THE PUBLIC WORKS FOR, UM, ASSISTING US IN THOSE CODE CONFORMANCE THAT ARE, UM, HAVE BEEN, UH, PUT INTO RECORD, UH, AS WELL AS THOSE, UM, ABATEMENT THAT WERE, UM, BEING ADDRESSED.
UH, THANK YOU TO OUR COUNSEL FOR, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE EXPEDITED AND THAT, UH, NO NEIGHBORS ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE ONE NEIGHBOR IS, UH, UH, BEING NEGLECTFUL.
UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO, UH, SAY THAT, UM, SEPTEMBER 17TH IS THE HUNDRED 38TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY.
AND SO DISTRICT THREE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL HAVE A SMALL, UM, CELEBRATION FOR, UM, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT.
WE ARE IN FULL PREPARATION OF THAT.
UM, AND SO I HAD SENT THE INFORMATION TO MAYOR COUNCIL PRIOR TO THAT.
I SENT THE INFORMATION TO CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY, UM, TO ASK FOR, UM, HELP, UM, WITH REGARDS TO, UM, THIS SMALL CELEBRATION.
UM, MEMBER MO, UH, THANK YOU TO STAFF.
THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE SPEAKERS THAT WE HAD EARLIER.
UM, AND I'M HAPPY WE ARE ENDING RIGHT AROUND 10 30.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO EXTEND THE MEETING.
UH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT.
UH, AND I JUST SENT AN EMAIL TO CITY MANAGER AND, AND STAFF, UH, THAT ON NOVEMBER 20 FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 21ST FROM SEVEN 30 TO 2:30 PM SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL IS DOING, UH, THEIR CAREER FAIR.
UH, SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
UH, DIRECT THAT TO THE CITY MANAGER.
SO IF WE CAN HAVE A STAFF PRESENT, I RE UM, LET THEM KNOW THAT I'LL BE THERE.
BUT IF WE CAN, UM, HAVE A, A PRESENCE OF JOB OPENINGS.
SO, AND I INCLUDED, UH, YOU, MS. HICKS, UM, ON THAT, UM, AS WELL.
SO, UM, YEAH, JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, IF WE CAN GET SOME, UH, COORDINATION ON THAT.
WHAT'S THAT? UM, I REALLY HAVE NADA AND SO I THINK WE'LL GO WITH THAT.
[14. CITY ATTORNEY REPORT]
WE WILL GO WITH, UH, UH, WITH OUR REPORT OUT OF CLOSED SESSION.UH, TONIGHT'S CLOSED SESSION INVOLVED THREE ITEMS. THE FIRST ITEM WAS LABOR NEGOTIATIONS AND THE COUNCIL, UH, GAVE INSTRUCTIONS TO THEIR, UH, NEGOTIATORS TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE POA.
THERE WERE TWO MATTERS INVOLVING SIGNIFICANT EXPOSURE TO LITIGATION, AND THERE'S NO REPORTABLE ACTIONS FROM EITHER OF THOSE.
WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED TO OUR NEXT REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING IN TWO WEEKS.