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[CALL TO ORDER]
CALL THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL, CITY OF JULY 21ST, 2025 AT 6:00 PM TO ORDER A LIVE WEBCAST OF THIS MEETING MAY BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AT HTTPS SLASH FORWARD SLASH WWW NATIONAL CITY CA.GOV/WEBCAST.THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY'S WEBSITE INFORM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.
FIRST, BY EMAIL AT PLC PUB, COMMENT@NATIONALCITYCA.GOV NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING, SECOND VIA ZOOM BY PRE-REGISTERING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING AT HTTPS SLASH SLASH WWW NATIONAL CITY CA.GOV/PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIRD, THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE COMMENTS IN PERSON AT THIS MEETING.
ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED WILL BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS APPROPRIATE PRIOR TO THEIR RESPECTIVE MEETINGS AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY WEBSITE.
IF RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE, I REQUEST THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SECRETARY, NOW PROCEED WITH ROLL CALL VICE CHAIR CASTLE CASTLE.
HERE, COMMISSIONER MENTA PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER KIONE PRESENT, COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ HERE, CHAIR MILLER PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA IS ABSENT.
I WILL NOW HAVE COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AYE.
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ.
[PUBLIC COMMENT]
WE WILL NOW, UH, HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS OR MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW.UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS AND ITEMS REQUIRING PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION.
THESE ITEMS MUST BE BROUGHT BACK ON A SUBSEQUENT AGENDA UNLESS THEY ARE OF A DEMONSTRATED EMERGENCY OR URGENT NATURE.
MR. TED GUTS, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
I I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR YOU TO FIND OUT FROM STAFF AN UPDATE ON THE USD FUELS MEETING WHEN IT WILL BE HELD.
CAN WE FIND OUT TONIGHT, UH, THROUGH THE, YEAH, THROUGH THE CHAIR.
MR. MR. READER? YEAH, THROUGH THE CHAIR.
OF COURSE, THIS IS A, A NON AGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT, SO WE WOULDN'T NORMALLY GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT, UH, AS YOU RECALL AT THE LAST, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING, OR I BEG YOUR PARDON, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WE GOT A COASTAL COMMISSION LETTER THAT DAY WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING BETWEEN THE SCHEDULES OF THE COASTAL COMMISSION AND HEARING BACK FROM THE APPLICANT, AS WELL AS STAFF WORKING ON THE STAFF REPORT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
WE'RE STILL WORKING TOWARDS HOPEFULLY AUGUST 19TH.
UH, WE, WE HAVE STILL WAITING FOR ONE MORE MEETING WITH THE COASTAL COMMISSION BEFORE THE APPLICANT CAN, UH, CONCLUDE THEIR WORK AND WE CAN BRING BACK THAT.
BUT, UH, IF ANYONE HAS ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, THEY ARE WELCOME TO CONTACT ME DIRECTLY AND, UH, BUT WE WILL BE LETTING ALL OF THE INTERESTED PARTIES THUS FAR KNOW WHEN THE PUBLIC NOTICE GOES OUT.
UH, I ENCOURAGE MR. MARTIN READER TO MEET WITH THE PUBLIC OR HAVE HIS STAFF MEET WITH THE PUBLIC 'CAUSE OF THE COMPLICATED NATURE OF THE ISSUES.
WE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE APPLICANTS.
WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH THE APPLICANTS.
WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A MEETING WITH OUR DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE THERE.
IT NEEDS TO BE BETWEEN STAFF JUST EXPLAINING THE WHOLE PROCESS, THE COASTAL COMMISSION'S LETTER, ET CETERA.
SO LAST NIGHT I WAS OUT WATERING MY VEGETABLES IN THE GARDEN AND A TRUCK PULLED UP IN FRONT OF MY STREET AND THIS TRUCK HAS DIESEL ENGINE.
AND I WAITED A FEW MINUTES AND I WENT OUT TO HIM.
IT WAS ABOUT 5:00 PM AND I SAID TO HIM, COULD YOU PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR ENGINE? HE SAID, NO.
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OVER ON TIDELANDS AVENUE, OR YOU COULD JUST DRIVE THIS TRUCK DOWN THE STREET A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM MY HOME.HE WENT BACK INTO HIS TRUCK WITH A BOTTLE OF ALCOHOL AND PUT UP THE, THE CURTAINS IN THE CAR TRUCK CAB, AND STAYED ALL NIGHT IDLING OVER 15 HOURS.
UM, I WROTE, AND MR. REEDER AND I USED UP SOME OF MY TIME THERE, BUT I WROTE A WHOLE DETAILED, UH, DESCRIPTION OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT CASE.
HOWEVER, I LOOKED AT CARB, HAVE THOSE COPIES FOR YOURSELF, BUT I ALSO BROUGHT ONE FOR STAFF IN A SMALLER VERSION THAT CAN BE USED AS A HANDOUT TO TRUCKERS.
AND BOTH THE WORKING AND THE CODE OFFICERS, I FEEL, SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO OUT TO THE TRUCKERS AND TO EXPLAIN TO 'EM THAT CALIFORNIA LAW IS A FIVE MINUTE IDLING TIME WHEN IT'S CLOSE TO A HOSPITAL, A SCHOOL, A HEALTHCARE SECONDS FACILITY, 15 SECONDS, AND A RESIDENCE.
SO IF WE COULD GET THOSE PASSED OUT, WE WI WOULDN'T BE BREATHING HAVING THE, THE PARTICULATE IN MY LUNGS, IN MY EYES, OR ON MY VEGETABLES.
AND I THINK IT'S JUST GOOD INFORMATION THAT THIS TRUCKER AND I DON'T NEED TO HAVE ANY KIND OF, UH, BACK AND FORTH THAT HE WOULD UNDERSTAND.
HELP US OUT WITH THE TRUCKS, PLEASE.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, AND I'M SORRY IF I MEANT TO PRONOUNCED.
YOUR NAME IS CYNTHIA, UH, QUINNAN.
CYNTHIA FULLER ES I'M A LOCAL RESIDENT, REGULAR.
MAY YOU JUST PULL DOWN THE MIC SO IT CAN CATCH YOU.
CYNTHIA FULLER QUINONES, A LOCAL RESIDENT, REGULAR SOUTH SAN DIEGO HEALTH ADVOCATE AND MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL CITY HEALTHY CODOS COALITION.
I WAS HERE FOR THE LAST MEETING, PLANNING MEETING WHEN THE USDG FUELS TRANSFERRED DEPO, UH, PROJECT, UH, PUBLIC HEARING WAS PULLED FROM THE AGENDA.
I KNOW THE PROJECT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, BUT BEFORE IT APPEARS AGAIN, I ASK THAT ALL ON THE COMMISSION REFLECT UPON THE MUCH WELCOME PROGRESS THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY HAS COMMITTED TO MAKE IN REVERSING TERRIBLE HEALTH IMPACTS OF THE PAST.
LETTING THIS INFLUENCE THE PROJECT OUTCOME.
FOR ONE, CONSIDER THE STATEMENTS INCLUDED IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE OF THE GENERAL PLAN FROM AUGUST OF 2021.
STATE HOUSING LAW HAS DECLARED THAT THE AVAILABILITY OF DECENT HOUSING AND A SUITABLE LIVING ENVIRONMENT IS A VITAL STATEWIDE IMPORTANCE AND A PRIORITY OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.
GOAL SEVEN WAS TO PRO PROMOTE AN ECONOMICALLY VIABLE, ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS AND SOCIALLY EQUITABLE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
POLICY 7.4 WAS TO ENCOURAGE MEASURES THAT SUPPLEMENT TITLE 24 AND SUPPORT PROGRESS TOWARDS NATIONAL CITY SUSTAINABILITY AND CLIMATE ACTION PLAN GOALS.
ALSO CONSIDER THE PLANS TO GUIDE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT AND WEST SIDE OLD TOWN AREAS.
THESE SPECIFIC PLANS ENVISION SUPPORTING THE EXISTING COMMUNITY TO ESTABLISH GROWING VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ENCOURAGE A MIX OF HOUSING, RETAIL SERVICES AND EMPLOYMENT CENTERS TO SUPPORT THE ECONOMY AND CHARACTER OF NATIONAL CITY.
THE WEST SIDE SPECIFIC PLAN ADDRESSES REDEVELOPMENT OF UNDERUTILIZED LANDS TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR INCREASED USE OF PUBLIC TRANSIT IN ADDITION TO ACCOMPLISHING NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION GOALS.
UM, ZONING IN THE 2010 WEST SIDE PACIFIC PLAN INCLUDES THE MULTI-USE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL ONE AND TWO, UH, ZONES WITH A GOAL TO INCREASE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR A DIVERSITY OF HOUSEHOLD TYPES.
THE MIXED COMMERCIAL ZONES ARE APPLIED TO AREAS GENERALLY BORDERING THE RS FOUR ZONE TO TRANSITION TO MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND THE DOWNTOWN COMMERCIAL AREA.
THE MCR ZONE, UH, PROVIDE FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT EITHER AS RENTAL STOCK OR HOME OWNERSHIP CONDOMINIUMS FOR THE RS FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY AREAS.
IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR THE CONTINUATION OF EXISTING MIXTURE OF HOUSING TYPES AND ENCOURAGES INFILL WITH SINGLE FAMILY ZONES 15 SECONDS.
SO BRINGING THE, UH, USDG FUELS TRANSFER DEPO INTO EXISTENCE HARDLY SEEMS TO ALIGN WITH THESE AND OTHER STATED GOALS INTENDED TO YIELD A BETTER, HEALTHIER NATIONAL CITY.
AGAIN, PLEASE CONSIDER THESE AS YOU, UH, GO FORWARD WITH THE USDG FIELDS PROJECT.
[1. Approval of the Agenda for the Meeting on July 21, 2025]
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WE WILL NOW BEGIN CONSIDERATION OF THE ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA.ITEM ONE IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA OF THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF JULY 21ST, 2025.
IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, DO I HEAR A MOTION? I NEED A SECOND, PLEASE.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARMA, UH, TO APPROVE THE AGENDA, MADAM SECRETARY, UM, PLEASE ALLOW US TO VOTE NOW.
MADAM SECRETARY, COULD YOU PLEASE, UH, DECLARE THE VOTE? IT HAS A MOTION CARRIED ON THE SITE.
WE HAD A SET IT FOR COUNCIL FOR LIKE ANONYMITY, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S FIVE.
THAT MOTION CARRIED ON THE LEFT MO OH, ON, ON THE UPPER RIGHT? YES.
MOTION CARRIED WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
[2. Approval of Minutes from the Meeting of June 2, 2025]
TWO ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF JUNE 2ND, 2025.IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
UH, MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE ALLOW US TO VOTE.
UH, YOU KNOW HOW TECHNOLOGY IS.
IT'S A BLESSING AND A CURSE, CHRIS, SO WE NEED YOU.
UH, MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE VOTE.
WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT BEFORE THE COM.
UH, THE COMMISSION CAN CONSIDER THIS ITEM.
THEREFORE, WE WILL NOT BE HEARING THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME.
IT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT A FUTURE DATE AFTER PUBLIC NOTICE HAS BEEN PROVIDED.
[4. Determination That the Project is Categorically Exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) Under Class 1 of the CEQA Guidelines Section 15301 (Existing Facilities) and Conditional Use Permit for the Sale of Beer and Wine for On-Site Consumption (ABC Type41 License) and Live Entertainment at an Existing Restaurant (Sushi N’ Gone) Located at 1539 East 8th Street. Case File No.: 2025-11 CUP APN: 557-102-19.]
FOUR, DETERMINATION THAT THE P THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.CA UNDER CLASS, ONE OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 1.
EXISTING FACILITIES AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE FOR ON SALE CONSUMPTION.
A BC TYPE 41 LICENSE AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT.
SUSHI AND GONE LOCATED AT 1539 EAST EIGHTH STREET.
CASE FILE NUMBER 2025 DASH 11 C-U-P-A-P-N 5 57 DASH TWO 19.
I HEREBY OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
BEFORE WE BEGIN, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES RELATING TO THE HEARING? UH, COMMISSIONER MENTO.
I'D LIKE TO DISCLOSE THAT I, UM, HAVE BEEN TO THE ESTABLISHMENT WHEN IT WAS, UH,
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UH, AND I DID GO BY THIS WEEKEND, UH, TO, UH, SPEAK WITH, UH, MR. PAOLO AND I MET HIS FAMILY AND I DID A SURVEY OF THE ESTABLISHMENT.I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO DISCLOSE THAT I HAVE EATEN AT SUSHI AND GONE AS WELL AS CAPE.
I'VE NEVER EATEN THERE, BUT I'VE PASSED HER THERE ALL THE TIME.
I WENT, WENT WHEN? WITH K BURROWS AND I ALSO COMMUTE THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME.
OKAY, MADAM SECRETARY, HAVE THE NOTICES AS REQUIRED BY LAW BEEN GIVEN, AND DO WE HAVE A COMPLETE FILE OF EXHIBITS, CORRESPONDENCE, AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YES, CHAIR.
WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM FOR US.
GOOD EVENING CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, THE PUBLIC.
MY NAME IS SOPHIA DEPUY AND I'M THE ASSISTANT PLANNER.
TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BEER AND WINE SALES, A, B, C TYPE 41 AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT.
SUSHI AND GONE LOCATED AT 1539 EAST EIGHTH STREET.
HERE'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE RESTAURANT.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF EAST EIGHTH STREET AND PALM.
IT'S THE ONLY ESTABLISHMENT ON THAT LOT.
SO SUSHI AND GONE IS AN EXISTING 2,400 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT LOCATED IN THE MXC TWO ZONE.
THERE WAS A PREVIOUS ALCOHOL CUP APPROVED IN 2021 WHEN IT WAS K BUROUGHS.
THEY WERE APPROVED FOR ALCOHOL SALES FROM 7:00 AM TO 12:00 AM DAILY.
HOWEVER, THAT USE HAS SINCE BEEN DISCONTINUED.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE PRO OR THE RESTAURANT'S LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF EAST EIGHTH STREET AND PALM AVENUE.
IT'S SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES.
THE PROPERTIES DIRECTLY ABIDING THE RESTAURANT ARE COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME RESIDENCES THAT ARE LOCATED NEARBY, UM, BUT THEY ARE SEPARATED BY A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL GRADE CHANGE.
HERE'S A FRONT VIEW OF THE RESTAURANT FROM PALM AVENUE, AND THEN HERE'S A VIEW FROM EAST EIGHTH STREET WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF START TO SEE THAT PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN THE RESTAURANT AND THE NEIGHBORING USES.
AND THEN HERE'S THE VIEW, UM, OF THE BACK OF THE RESTAURANT, AND AGAIN, JUST KIND OF SHOWING THE RESIDENCES ARE LOCATED UP HERE.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING BEER AND WINE SALES AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT THE RESTAURANT.
THEIR PROPOSED HOURS FOR ALCOHOL SALES ARE FROM 8:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT DAILY, AND THEN THEIR PROPOSED HOURS FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT ARE FROM 11:00 AM TO 10:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND FROM 11:00 AM TO 11:00 PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WILL CONSIST OF DJS, BANDS, GUITARISTS, ET CETERA.
AND THEN THE FLOOR PLAN WILL INDICATE THE DINING AREA AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AREA.
AND IT SHOULD BE KNOWN THERE'S ABOUT 52 SEATS AVAILABLE IN THE RESTAURANT.
THIS SIDE IS CLOSEST TO PALM AVENUE, AND THEN OVER HERE IS CLOSEST TO EAST EIGHTH STREET.
UM, AND THEN LOCATED TO THE LEFT NEAR THE STORAGE AND MAINTENANCE HALLWAY WOULD BE THE CLOSEST RESIDENCES.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT IS KIND OF LOCATED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RESTAURANT.
AND THEN AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THE SIDE VIEW OF THE RESTAURANT.
UM, THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY WINDOWS OR DOORS WHERE THE PROPOSED LIVE ENTERTAINMENT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
SO MOVING ON TO STAFF'S ANALYSIS.
THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL CODE ALLOWS FOR ALCOHOL SALES FOR ONSITE CONSUMPTION AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WITH AN APPROVED CUP.
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ALCOHOL CCPS, INCLUDING EXTENDED MAILING FOR ALL OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS WITHIN 660 FEET.
THE RESTAURANT WAS ALSO REQUIRED TO HOLD A COMMUNITY MEETING.
UH, THIS SITE IS LOCATED IN CENSUS TRACT ONE 18.02.
THERE'S CURRENTLY TWO ON SALE LICENSES WHERE NINE ARE RECOMMENDED.
SO THE CENSUS TRACT IS NOT CONSIDERED OVER CONCENTRATED EVEN WITH THE ADDITION OF ANOTHER LICENSE.
THERE'S ALSO EXTENDED DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR ALCOHOL CCPS.
HOWEVER, THEY'RE NOT APPLICABLE FOR RESTAURANTS WITH 30% OF THEIR FLOOR AREA DEDICATED TO SEATING.
SUING GONE HAS ABOUT 50% OF THEIR FLOOR AREA DEDICATED TO SEATING, AND THEY'RE ALSO NOT LOCATED WITHIN 660 FEET OF A PUBLIC SCHOOL.
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ALSO HAVE TO ADHERE TO CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7, WHICH WE'VE INCLUDED AS PART OF OUR STANDARD CONDITIONS.SO AGAIN, THE BUSINESS IS PROPOSING ALCOHOL FROM 8:00 AM TO 12:00 AM AND THEY'RE PROPOSING LIVE ENTERTAINMENT FROM 11:00 AM TO 10:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND 11:00 AM TO 11:00 PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
THE SITE PREVIOUSLY WAS APPROVED FOR ALCOHOL SALES FROM 7:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT.
HOWEVER, IT DID NOT INCLUDE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
UM, STAFFS RECOMMENDING THE HOURS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT BASED ON, UH, RECENT APPROVALS FOR OTHER BUSINESSES THAT SERVE ALCOHOL AND HAVE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, WHICH YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE IN THIS TABLE.
WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY PROVIDED A RISK ASSESSMENT, WHICH, UM, THEY GAVE IT 12 POINTS.
UH, ANYTHING 12 OR LESS IS CONSIDERED LOW RISK POINTS ARE ASSIGNED ON TYPE OF BUSINESS LICENSE CONCENTRATION, CALLS FOR SERVICE, ET CETERA.
WE ALSO RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC STRATEGIES.
UM, THEY PROVIDED THEIR STANDARD COMMENTS, WHICH REQUIRES IN-PERSON RESPONSIBLE BEVERAGE SALES AND SERVICE TRAINING FOR ALL STAFF, REQUIRING THAT THE RESTAURANT PROVIDE LUNCH AND DINNER THROUGH 12:00 AM AND REQUIRE THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT SUBMIT RECEIPTS OF ALCOHOL AND FOOD SALES.
UM, FOR THIS PROJECT, WE'VE INCLUDED STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS WELL AS CONDITIONS SPECIFIC TO ONSITE ALCOHOL SALES PER CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7.
THOSE INCLUDE HOURS OF OPERATION, RESPONSIBLE BEVERAGE TRAINING AND REQUIRING THE ALCOHOL SALES REMAIN ACCESSORY TO FOOD SALES AT THE RESTAURANTS.
WE ALSO INCLUDED APPLICATION SPECIFIC CONDITIONS FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, INCLUDING DOORS AND WINDOWS TO REMAIN CLOSED DURING ANY LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
NO ADVERTISED EVENTS, THE HOURS THAT LIVE ENTERTAINMENT CAN TAKE PLACE.
AND FOLLOWING TITLE 12, WHICH IS NOISE IN SUMMARY, THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
ALCOHOL SALES FOR ONSITE CONSUMPTION AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT ARE CONDITIONALLY ALLOWED USES IN THE MX C TWO ZONE ALCOHOL SALES AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WOULD BE ACCESSORY TO THE BUSINESS IN AN ESTABLISHED MIX USE AREA.
UM, WE'VE INCLUDED CONDITIONS CONSISTENT WITH CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7, WHICH ARE INTENDED TO ALLEVIATE ANY CONCERNS RELATED TO IMPACTS ON THE AREA.
AND WE'VE INCLUDED CONDITIONS ADDRESSING CONCERNS RELATED TO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
THE OPTIONS TONIGHT ARE FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CQA AND APPROVE THE PROJECT BASED ON THE FINDINGS LISTED IN THE DRAFT LIST ILLUSION, OR FIND THE PROJECT NOT EXEMPT FROM CQA AND OR DENY THE PROJECT BASED ON THE FINDINGS LISTED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION OR CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL IF APPROVED.
IT WILL GO AS A NOTICE OF DECISION TO CITY COUNCIL IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS.
THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
UH, I INVITE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THEIR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION.
IS THE APPLICANT, UH, PRESENT TONIGHT? UH, MY NAME IS MARCO ES.
WAIT, UH, COULD YOU HOLD ON, COULD YOU MAKE SURE THE MIC IS ON, PLEASE? I DON'T, THERE IT IS.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, UH, PAOLO, UH, MORALES, UH, FOR SUSHI AND GONE.
UH, WE CONCUR WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF MAKING THAT PRESENTATION.
UH, WE WILL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE.
UH, I MIGHT ADD A B, C IS, UH, WE'VE DONE A CONCURRENT APPLICATION WITH CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL.
AND, UM, RESPECTFULLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST, UH, WAITING FOR THIS DECISION FROM, FROM THIS BODY, UH, FROM THE CITY.
SO, UH, AGAIN, UH, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE.
COMMISSIONER ARMA QUESTIONS? YEP.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL, IF YOU'D LIKE.
UM, JUST WANTED TO, UM, KNOW, DO YOU GUYS LIVE IN NATIONAL CITY? HE LIVES IN CHULA VISTA.
AND THEN, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE FROM NATIONAL CITY? YEAH.
WE HAVE THREE EMPLOYEES THAT LIVE IN NATIONAL CITY.
AND THEN, UH, THE HOURS FOR THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, I KNOW WHEN I WENT THERE WAS MORE OF A FAMILY ESTABLISHMENT.
UM, IS THAT GOING TO REMAIN? WHAT, WHAT ARE THE, I GUESS, THE CROWD THAT YOU WANT TO BRING IN IN THE EVENING? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU WANT MUSIC UNTIL 10 OR 11 O'CLOCK.
UM, WE, WE NOT, WE NOT PLANNING TO, TO HAVE, UM, UH, LAMB TO TELL LIKE ALL DAYS A WEEK.
AND, AND EVEN FOR THE LONGER, UH, PERIODS
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OF TIME, ACTUALLY, WE WANT ONLY TO LIKE SOME LIKE, UH, LIKE AMBIENT MUSIC ON FRIDAYS NIGHT AND SATURDAYS.AND WE ARE NOT PLANNING TO EVEN EXTEND OUR BUSINESS HOURS BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA ATTRACT THAT.
PEOPLE THEN LIKE TO, TO MESS AROUND ON LATE NIGHTS AND DRINK AND EVERYTHING.
SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE, WE TRYING TO KEEP THAT LIKE, AS A FAMILIES AS POSSIBLE, AS I SAID.
CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT YOUR CURRENT BUSINESS HOURS ARE? IT IS, UH, MONDAY TO, UH, IT'S WEDNESDAY TO MONDAY.
WE CLOSE ON TUESDAYS AND WE OPEN AT 12 MIDDAY, AND WE CLOSE IT AT AT NINE, AND WE ONLY CLOSE AT 10 ON FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS, AND WE CLOSE AT 8:00 PM ON SUNDAYS.
DO YOU GET MORE FOOT TRAFFIC OR MORE DELIVERY OF, UH, ORDERS? UH, HONESTLY, AS A NEW BUSINESS IN THE AREA, WE ALMOST 50% OF OURSELVES IS ONLINE RIGHT NOW.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFICATION ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
YOU SAID YOU OPEN AT 12:00 PM DAILY.
EXCEPT TUESDAYS YOU'RE CLOSED.
AND WHAT, AND YEAH, WE OPEN AT 12 DAILY EXCEPT TUESDAYS.
AND, UM, MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAYS AND FRIDAYS, NO, MEAN ON THURSDAYS WE CLOSE AT 9:00 PM AND FRIDAYS 10.
SATURDAYS 10 AND SUNDAYS 8:00 PM MR. CHAIR, DID YOU PLAN ON EXTEND, I SEE THAT THE HOURS HERE ON THE, THE APPLICATION, THEY BEGIN A LOT BEFORE AND THEY, THEY END AFTER YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION.
DO YOU PLAN ON EXTENDING THOSE OR OPENING UP, UM, TO DO, 'CAUSE I SEE, I THINK THE ALCOHOL REQUEST WAS FROM 8:00 AM TO 12:00 AM SO DO YOU PLAN ON, UM, STAYING OPEN LATER OR EXTENDING YOUR HOURS OR HAVING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MORNING MIMOSAS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IF IT'S, IF IT'S SOME, UH, IF, IF IT'S SAFE AND, AND WE SEE THEN PEOPLE, UH, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE ON THE SUN LIKE TO STAY LIKE MORE TIME, MAYBE WE GONNA, WE GONNA EXTEND IT, BUT NOT FOR THE MOMENT.
YEAH, I, I MAY ADD ON TO THAT ANSWER.
I'LL, I'LL ADD ON TO THAT ANSWER.
UM, I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF C PS AND ALCOHOL LICENSING PREVENTING FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS.
AND WHAT I FIND IS A LOT OF RESTAURANTS GET THEIR CP FOR AN A, B, C LICENSE JUST TO SELL ALCOHOL AND THEN LATER WANNA COME AND AMEND IT.
AND I TRY TO RECOMMEND AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO THE APPLICANTS TO ASK FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT THE SAME TIME SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND SPEND THE MONEY AND HIRE ME AND DO ALL THE PAPERWORK AGAIN.
BUT, UH, WE HAVE THE WORLD CUP COMING IN NEXT YEAR.
A LOT OF THOSE GAMES ARE GONNA BE IN THE MORNINGS EAST COAST TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT TOURNAMENT.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
BUT I WANT TO GIVE THE APPLICANTS AS MUCH LATITUDE TO LET THEIR BUSINESSES GROW AND THEY CAN SHUT IT DOWN IF THEY WANT, SO THEY HAVE THAT LATITUDE AS WELL.
IT'S JUST EXTREME FROM EIGHT TO MIDNIGHT.
COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ, MY QUESTION IS, UH, AND THANK YOU FOR THE ELABORATION ON THAT.
THE, UH, MY QUESTION IS ON, UH, I DON'T WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT ROS, BUT I WAS HERE WHEN WE GAVE THEM THE LICENSE AND, UH, THERE WAS, UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP OF THE LAYOUT.
THEY WERE, AND THIS IS MORE FOR THE APPLICANT.
IS HE PLANNING ON USING THE OUTSIDE AREA? NO.
AND DO THEY STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE IT BECAUSE SINCE THE OTHER ONE HAD THE RIGHT TO USE IT, THEY COULD, BUT THERE WOULD BE NO ALCOHOL SALES OUT THERE.
YEAH, AND THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.
UM, FORGOT TO ASK THE SEATING CAPACITY INSIDE AND THE, UM, THE RATIO OF YOUR PARKING LOT.
I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
UH, IS IT 40, 50? I DON'T REMEMBER.
WHAT WAS THE SEATING CAPACITY? 52.
AND SO IF YOU DO HAVE ENTERTAINMENT OR EXTEND YOUR HOURS, THEN PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO PARK AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I'M ASSUMING, BECAUSE YOUR PARKING LOT ONLY HOLDS ABOUT EIGHT CARS.
I'M, I'M NOT, I RESPECTFULLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS THERE ARE NOW.
PERHAPS STAFF CAN HELP WITH THAT.
ABOUT EIGHT, EIGHT AND ONE HANDICAP.
SO TOTAL OF NINE ACCORDING TO THE SITE PLAN.
UM, YEAH, WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT ON PARKING? JUST ASKING.
UM, NO, UH, I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE, UH, MR.
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REEDER, OH, I WAS JUST GONNA POLITELY, UH, REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS TO USE YOUR MIC BUTTON.WE CAN'T ALWAYS HEAR YOU WHEN YOU'RE TALKING.
UH, COMMISSIONER ES I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
UH, COULD YOU GO OVER THE HOURS AGAIN PLEASE? PROPOSED, UH, ALCOHOL SALES WOULD BE FROM 8:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT, AND THEN LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WOULD BE FROM 11:00 AM TO 10:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND THEN 11:00 AM TO 11:00 PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
SO THEY WOULD BE SELLING ALCOHOL FROM MORNING TO NIGHT ALL DAY.
I THINK IT ALSO, I, I WANNA QUALIFY THAT IT'S ALSO GONNA BE THE DEMAND THAT COMES IN IT, IT WILL DETERMINE THE HOURS OF OPERATION, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR THE BUSINESS OWNER TO OPEN AS EARLY AS HE'D LIKE, OR CLOSE AS LATE AS HE'D LIKE OR SOONER.
BUT HE DIDN'T HE SAY HE OPENS AT 12 OR SOMETHING? I CORRECT.
SO, BUT WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT AT EIGHT JUST IN CASE HE DECIDES TO OPEN AT EIGHT.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT'S IN THE RESOLUTION AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS DIFFERENT FROM THE CURRENT REALITY OF WHAT THE OPERATING CORRECT THE RESTAURANT IS OPERATING AT RIGHT NOW.
WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UH, WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.
AND I DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKER SLIPS, MR. READER.
OH, WE JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY ADD, UH, A COUPLE OF OUR MOST RECENT CS THAT WE'VE HAD FOR VERY SIMILAR, UM, UH, SIMILAR OPTIONS LIKE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, OR OURS.
UH, THEY TEND TO CHANGE AS THE BUSINESSES BECOME SUCCESSFUL, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN, WHICH IS QUITE A, A LARGE, UH, FEE AND A LOT OF TIME.
SO, UH, TO ECHO, UH, MR. CORTEZ'S COMMENTS, THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT STAFF TENDS TO ASK PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT, JUST TO ENSURE, YOU KNOW, FUTURE PROOF, UH, THE BUSINESS.
BUT THAT'S, YOU CAN STILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THOSE HOURS, SO THANK YOU.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, PUBLIC, UM, ANY OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK.
UM, I REQUEST THE SECRETARY PROCEED WITH DISCLOSING IF ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED IN WRITING.
ADAM SECRETARY, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS CHAIR.
UM, DO ANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, VICE CHAIR, I WANTED TO SEE IF YOU COULD PUT THE SLIDE BACK UP THAT HAD THE APPROVALS OF THE OTHER, UM, LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AND ALCOHOL APPROVALS AT THE CLINIC THAT, YEAH, THAT ONE, JUST SO WE CAN KIND OF REVIEW THAT AND LOOK AT IT.
HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS, UH, FROM MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? THIS IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARMA TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
VICE CHAIR CASTLE HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? IS THERE ANY FURTHER, UH, DISCUSSION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION? OKAY.
UH, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIED WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
I DECLARE THIS PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED COMMISSIONERS.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I JUST WANTED TO, UM, CL MAYBE CLARIFY ONE MORE THING OF STAFF JUST FOR, UM, GENERAL KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE THERE WAS A CUP ALREADY APPROVED FOR, FOR
SO WHEN, UH, UH, A BUSINESS GOES UNDER OR TRANSFERS OWNERSHIP, THAT CUP IS THEN DEAD IN THE WATER OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? UH, IT DEPENDS ON THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE CUP.
SO TYPICALLY WE HAVE A TIMEFRAME.
IF THE USE IS DISCONTINUED FOR MORE THAN 12 MONTHS OR IF THEY NO LONGER HAVE THEIR A B, C LICENSE, THEN THAT'S WHAT WOULD RESULT IN THEM HAVING TO GET A NEW ALCOHOL CUP.
BUT IF THEY TAKE IT OVER WITHIN 12 MONTHS OR
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CONTINUE THE, UH, A BC LICENSE, THEN THEY CAN JUST CONTINUE THOSE SAME HOURS APPROVED BY THE PREVIOUS CUP.THEY CAN CONTINUE THAT, BUT IT COULD BE A CONDITION THAT IF THEY WERE NO LONGER IN PLACE THAT WE, THAT CUP COULD, THE, THE NEW APPLICANT WOULD, IT WOULD NOT FOLLOW OVER TO THE NEXT OWNER AND IT WOULD HAVE, THE NEW BUSINESS WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND REDO THAT CUP AGAIN.
SO THE WAY THE CONDITION READS IS IF THE USE IS DISCONTINUE DISCONTINUED FOR MORE THAN 12 MONTHS, OR THEY FAILED TO HAVE AN A, B, C LICENSE FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND THE CUP EXPIRES AND THEN ANY NEW, UH, ALCOHOL, SALES OR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WOULD'VE TO GO THROUGH A NEW PROCESS.
SO THERE'S A 12 MONTH PERIOD, LIKE COOL OFF PERIOD WHERE IF, IF SAY K BURROS TURNS INTO SUSHI AND GONE, THEY HAVE 12 MONTHS TO SELL ALCOHOL AND THEY HAVE 12 MONTHS TO COME BACK AND GET THEIR OWN CUP OR IT WOULD JUST CONTINUE FOREVER.
GENERALLY, GENERALLY, THE CUP RUNS WITH THE LAND, RUNS WITH LAND THE LAND, UNLESS ANY CONDITIONS SUGGEST OTHERWISE.
IN THIS CASE, THE 12 MONTHS, UH, DISCONTINUE OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE LOSE LICENSES OR THEY TRANSFER 'EM ELSEWHERE.
OR IF A NEW RESTAURANT COMES IN, THEY MAY NOT WANT SELL ALCOHOL, SO THEY'LL STOP.
UM, THEY WON'T HAVE AN A, B, C LICENSE AND THEN 12 MONTHS LATER THAT THAT RIGHT.
BUT THEY HAVE TO GET AN A, B, C LICENSE WITH THE CUP? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR, AND THIS WOULD BE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
UM, I DO THINK THAT THE HOURS, UM, WHAT, WHAT I WOULD ASK IS TO, UH, MAYBE HAVE NOT 8:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT FOR ALCOHOL SALES, UH, MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, UM, BUT HAVE MAYBE 8:00 AM TO 11:00 PM SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
AND THEN, UH, ALCOHOL FROM 12 TO 9:00 PM SORRY, WAS THAT LIVE ENTERTAINMENT? MONDAY THROUGH FROM EIGHT TO EIGHT IN THE MORNING TO 11 AT NIGHT AND ALCOHOL.
I'M SORRY, I DON'T THINK THE LIVE, ENTER.
THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WAS 11:00 AM TO 10:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND 11:00 AM TO 11:00 PM FRIDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ALCOHOL SALES SYSTEM? I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE ALCOHOL.
EIGHT TO 11 ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY AND EIGHT TO 11:00 PM SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
AND THEN 12 TO NINE THE REST OF THE WEEK, ACTUALLY, YEAH, THAT'S EIGHT.
EIGHT TO 11:00 PM 8:00 AM TO 11:00 PM SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
AND THEN, UH, 12:00 PM UH, I THINK I HAVE 12:00 PM TO 10:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
WITH, UM, THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AS STATED, I, I THINK THAT'S FINE ON THOSE HOURS.
8:00 AM TO 11:00 PM SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
WE HAVE THAT WRITTEN DOWN IF WE WANT TO A SECOND OR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION.
IS THERE A SECOND? UH, AND IS THE SECOND OKAY WITH THE CHANGE? COMMISSIONER ARMA? I JUST WANTED TO PROPOSE MAYBE A DIFFERENT TIME FOR THE ALCOHOL.
YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE, SO, UM, YEAH.
RIGHT? YOU EITHER A SECOND OR IT FAILS.
AND THEN IF YOU WANNA MAKE AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION, OR YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE DISCUSSION, UH, ONCE YOU GET A SECOND, YOU CAN DISCUSS.
UM, IF YOU DON'T GET A SECOND, THEN IT FAILS.
OR YOU CAN DO A MOTION, UM, TO SUPERSEDE, WHICH WOULD BE HEARD FIRST BEFORE THE ORIGINAL MOTION, IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO IT THAT WAY.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? UH, AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION? YES.
SO IF I DON'T AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER, WELL WE GO FROM THERE.
UM, DON'T FORGET TO USE YOUR MICROPHONES.
SHOULD I CANCEL, CANCEL MY MOTION AND, AND THEN HAVE DISCUSSION? FIRST, YOUR MOTION FAILED BECAUSE IT DIDN'T GET A SECOND.
SO THERE'S NO MOTION ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW.
AND YOU CAN GO BACK TO DISCUSSION IF YOU'D LIKE, OR YOU CAN TAKE ANOTHER MOTION.
UH, DO I HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION OR, UH, A MOTION JUST TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS IT IS? COMMISSIONER ARMENTO, LIKE TO DISCUSS.
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WE OPEN IT FOR DISCUSSION? I CAN, YES.UH, I JUST, UH, THE HOURS, UM, FOR ALCOHOL I WAS JUST MAYBE IS A LITTLE TOO STRICT TO START AT NOON.
I WAS THINKING A LITTLE EARLIER, MAYBE LIKE 10:00 AM OR, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT TAKING INTO ALSO IN CONSIDERATION, UM, LIKE THE OWNER WAS SAYING WITH SOME CERTAIN SPORTS AND, UH, THE TIMEFRAMES, UH, WHERE THEY ARE, IF, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S LIKE SPECIAL DAYS WHERE THEY'D HAVE TO OPEN UP A LOT EARLIER TO WATCH A FOOTBALL GAME OR WATCH A CERTAIN OLYMPIC GAME OR WHATEVER'S GOING ON.
FORTUNATELY THE WORLD CUP IS IN NORTH AMERICA WITH CANADA, THE US AND MEXICO NEXT YEAR.
SO THE TIME DIFFERENCES WILL BE A MAXIMUM OF THREE HOURS EAST COAST TIME VERSUS WEST COAST TIME.
SO, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S IN EUROPE OR ASIA.
UH, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE OLYMPICS ARE THE YEAR AFTER THAT, SO, I'M SORRY.
UM, COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ, NO, IT IS A VERY VALID POINT, AND I THINK WE'RE USING THE WORLD CUP AS JUST AN EXAMPLE, BUT LET'S SAY HE DOES FOR SOME REASON WANT TO OPEN, IS THERE AVENUES, AND THIS IS MORE FOR MARTIN READER, THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE APPLICANT'S CURRENT, THAT, AND WE DON'T CHARGE, THE CITY DOESN'T CHARGE HIM THAT HE CAN GET PERMISSION TO ALTER IF NEED BE BASED ON DEMAND OF A PARTICULAR EVENT, HIS TIME.
UH, NOT TYPICALLY, ALTHOUGH THERE, THERE ARE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS.
UH, WE DO HAVE A TEMPORARY USE PERMIT PROCESS, AND THERE IS A, LIKE A DAILY LICENSE, I THINK THAT THE A BC WILL GRANT, UH, THROUGH A TAP PROCESS.
SO WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT BEFORE.
NOT FOR, UH, A RESTAURANT THAT HAS EXISTING ALCOHOL ALREADY.
DO I HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR, UH, EITHER OR I, I'M SORRY, A MOTION TO EITHER ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AS IS OR AN AMENDMENT TO THE RESOLUTION? I NEED SOMETHING, FOLKS FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD, PLEASE.
UH, COMMISSIONER QUINONE, I HAVE A QUESTION.
I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE OTHER HOURS.
SO DO WE MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT AS IS, UH, WHAT, WHAT HOURS WOULD YOU, THE ONES THAT VICE, UH, CASTLE PROPOSED? I'M SORRY, SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME.
THE ONES THAT VICE CASTLE PROPOSED.
FROM 12 TO 10:00 PM FROM 8:00 AM UNTIL ON ALCOHOL.
PM SATURDAY AND SUNDAY PM AND DURING THE WEEK, SATURDAYS 12 TO 10:00 PM TIME.
SO YOU'RE, YOU ARE MAKING A MOTION FOR THAT, FOR THOSE HOURS? YES.
AND COULD YOU GO OVER THAT ONE MORE TIME? I WANNA 8:00 AM TO 11:00 PM 8:00 AM TO 11:00 PM SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
AND MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, I THINK WE CAN, IF, IF THE, WE CAN GO 11:00 AM OKAY.
11:00 AM TO, UM, OR ACTUALLY 10.
10:00 AM UNTIL, UM, 10:00 PM 10:00 PM 10 TO 10.
THE, WHAT IS STATED HERE FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT WOULD SIT, STAY AS, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER QUINONES TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2020, EXCUSE ME.
UH, RESOLUTION NUMBER 2025 DASH ZERO SIX.
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY CALIFORNIA APPROVING, UH, THE PROJECT THAT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, SE A UNDER CLASS ONE OF THE SE A GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 1, EXISTING FACILITIES AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BEER AND WINE SALES, A, B, C TYPE 41 AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT.
SUSHI AND GONE LOCATED AT ONE, UH, 1539 EAST EIGHTH STREET.
CASE FILE NUMBER 2025 DASH 11 C-U-P-A-P-N 5 5 7 DASH 1 0 2 19 AS AMENDED.
SO CAN WE CONFIRM THAT AS THE MOTION,
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CORRECT? YES.YES, THAT IS THE MOTION, CORRECT.
BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, VICE CHAIR CASTLE HAS, UH, THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? I JUST WANNA SAY GOOD LUCK TO YOU GUYS AND THANK YOU FOR BEING A GREAT, UH, BUSINESS HERE IN NATIONAL CITY.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, MADAM SECRETARY, WE WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR DISCUSSION ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
[5. Determination That the Project is Categorically Exempt from the California Environmental Act (CEQA) Under Class 1 of the CEQA Guidelines Section 15301 (Existing Facilities) for a Coastal Development Permit and Conditional Use Permit for the Sale of Beer and Wine for On-Site Consumption (ABC Type-41 License) and Live Entertainment at an Existing Restaurant (La Malquerida by Dolche) Located at 1524 McKinley Avenue in the Coastal Zone. Case File No.: 2025-12 CUP CDP APN: 557-055-08.]
ON NOW TO ITEM FIVE.UH, DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
CQA UNDER CLASS ONE OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 1, EXISTING FACILITIES FOR A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BEER AND WINE SALES.
A, B, C TYPE 41 AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT.
LOCATED AT, I'M SORRY ABOUT MY SPANISH, UH, LOCATED AT 1524 MCKINLEY AVENUE IN THE COASTAL ZONE.
BEFORE WE BEGIN, ARE THERE ANY DISCLOSURES BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION? MR. SANCHEZ? COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ? I HAD BRUNCH THERE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
I WANT TO GO SEE WHERE IT WAS BESIDE.
I HAVE HAD BRUNCH THERE WHEN, WHEN THEY OPENED, AND I ALSO STOPPED BY THERE THIS WEEKEND AND I SPOKE WITH MS. ALINA.
UM, MADAM SECRETARY, HAVE ALL THE NOTICES AS REQUIRED BY LOBBY AND GIVEN, AND DO WE HAVE A COMPLETE FILE OF EXHIBITS, CORRESPONDENCE AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YES.
BUT CAN WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER KEONE? REPEAT WHY, UM, FOR RECORD? BECAUSE HER MIC WASN'T ON.
I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I WENT AND I, I WENT OVER THERE AND I JUST, I JUST PASSED THROUGH THERE 'CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE PLACE WAS AND I WANTED TO SEE WHAT IT WAS.
UH, WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM FOR US? GOOD EVENING AGAIN.
CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, THE PUBLIC.
TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BEER AND WINE SALES, A, B, C TYPE 41 AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT LACE, LOCATED AT 1524 MCKINLEY AVENUE.
HERE'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE RESTAURANT.
UM, IT'S LOCATED ON MCKINLEY AVENUE NEAR WEST 14TH STREET, AND THEN THE STREET TOWARDS THE BACK IS, UM, CLEVELAND.
SO THE RESTAURANT IS ABOUT 1400 SQUARE FEET WITH A 700 SQUARE FOOT OUTDOOR PATIO LOCATED IN THE BACK OF THE RESTAURANT.
THERE WAS A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CUP FOR ALCOHOL SALES AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT IN 2018.
UH, FOR WEST SIDE STORY, THEY WERE APPROVED FOR ALCOHOL, SALES AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT FROM 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM DAILY.
HOWEVER, THIS USE HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED.
AS I MENTIONED, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH END OF MCKINLEY AVENUE NEAR WEST 14TH STREET.
IT'S LOCATED IN THE MEDIUM MANUFACTURING ZONE, WHICH IS ALSO WITHIN THE COASTAL ZONE.
THE RESTAURANT IS SURROUNDED PRIMARILY BY INDUSTRIAL USES.
UM, THERE IS, HOWEVER, ONE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LOCATED TO THE NORTH OF THE RESTAURANT NEXT DOOR.
AND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED ABOUT TWO PROPERTIES NORTH OF THE RESTAURANTS.
HERE'S THE FRONT VIEW OF THE RESTAURANT FROM MCKINLEY AVENUE, AND THEN HERE'S SOME PICTURES OF THE BACK PATIO DINING AREA.
SO THE BUSINESS IS PROPOSING BEER AND WINE SALES AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT THE RESTAURANT.
THEIR PROPOSED HOURS FOR ALCOHOL SALES ARE FROM 8:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT DAILY, AND THEIR PROPOSED HOURS FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT ARE INDOORS FROM 8:00 AM TO 11:30 PM DAILY AND OUTDOORS FROM 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM DAILY.
THE FLOOR PLAN INDICATES THE PROPOSED LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AREA AS WELL AS THE DINING AREA.
AND THERE'S ABOUT 40 SEATS AVAILABLE AT THIS RESTAURANT.
UM, THE AREA IS HIGHLIGHTED IN KIND OF THE LIGHT ORANGE
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ARE THE SEATING AREAS, AND THEN THE BLUE AREAS SHOW THE AREAS FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR PROPOSED INDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
AND THEN THIS IS ON THE OUTDOOR PATIO WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT OUTSIDE.
SO MOVING ON TO STAFF'S ANALYSIS, THE CODE ALLOWS FOR ALCOHOL SALES FOR ONSITE CONSUMPTION AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WITH AN APPROVED COP.
THERE'S ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ALCOHOL.
C PS INCLUDED EXTENDED MAILING FOR ALL OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS WITHIN 660 FEET.
THE RESTAURANT WAS ALSO REQUIRED TO HOLD A COMMUNITY MEETING.
THIS RESTAURANT IS LOCATED IN CENSUS TRACK TWO 19.
THERE'S CURRENTLY 17 ON SALE LICENSES WHERE TWO ARE RECOMMENDED.
SO THE CENSUS TRACT IS CONSIDERED OVER CONCENTRATED.
HOWEVER, CENSUS TRACK TWO 19 IS THE ENTIRE AREA WEST OF NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD FROM DIVISION STREET TO THE SOUTH CITY BOUNDARY.
SO IT ENCOMPASSES A PRETTY LARGE AREA.
UM, THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR ALCOHOL, CS INCLUDING NOT BEING WITH LOCATED WITHIN 660 FEET OF A SCHOOL.
UM, HOWEVER, IT'S NOT APPLICABLE FOR RESTAURANTS WITH 30% OF THEIR FLOOR AREA DEDICATED TO SEATING.
AND THE RESTAURANT HAS ABOUT 50% OF THEIR FLOOR AREA DEDICATED TO SEATING.
THE RESTAURANT ALSO WILL HAVE TO ADHERE TO CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7, WHICH WE'VE INCLUDED IN OUR STANDARD CONDITIONS.
SO MOVING ON TO THE PROPOSED HOURS AGAIN, UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING ALCOHOL SALES FROM 8:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT DAILY, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING LIVE ENTERTAINMENT INSIDE FROM 8:00 AM TO 11:30 PM DAILY AND OUTDOORS FROM 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM DAILY.
AGAIN, THERE WAS A PREVIOUS APPROVAL FOR ALCOHOL AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT THIS SITE FOR 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM DAILY.
BACK IN 2018, UM, STAFF DID RECOMMEND SOME MODIFIED HOURS FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
WE RECOMMENDED INDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT FROM 10:00 AM TO 11:30 PM DAILY AND OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT FROM 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM DAILY.
AND THEN AGAIN, HERE'S SOME RECENT APPROVALS.
UM, A GOOD EXAMPLE WOULD BE MARKET ON EIGHTH.
THEY HAD OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AND THOSE HOURS ARE LISTED THERE AS WELL AS ALL OF THESE BUSINESSES APPROVED HOURS FOR ALCOHOL SALES.
WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY PROVIDED A RISK ASSESSMENT, WHICH GAVE THE RESTAURANT 15 POINTS, ANYTHING FROM 13 TO 18 POINTS AS CONSIDERED.
MEDIUM RISK POINTS ARE ASSIGNED BASED ON TYPE OF BUSINESS LICENSE CONCENTRATION, CALLS FOR SERVICE, ET CETERA.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALSO PROVIDED A COMMENT RELATED TO EXTERIOR LIGHTING.
WE ALSO RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC STRATEGIES.
THEY INCLUDED THEIR STANDARD CONDITIONS, WHICH REQUIRES IN-PERSON RESPONSIBLE BEVERAGE.
TRAINING FOR ALL STAFF REQUIRES THAT THE RESTAURANT PROVIDE BREAKFAST, LUNCH, AND DINNER THROUGH 12:00 AM AND REQUIRE THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT SUBMIT RECEIPTS OF FOOD SALES ALONG WITH ALCOHOL.
FOR THIS PROJECT, WE'VE INCLUDED STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS WELL AS CONDITIONS SPECIFIC TO ONSITE ALCOHOL SALES PER CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7, INCLUDING HOURS OF OPERATION RESPONSIBLE BEVERAGE TRAINING AND REQUIRING THAT ALCOHOL SALES REMAIN ACCESSORY TO THE RESTAURANT.
WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED APPLICATION SPECIFIC CONDITIONS RELATED TO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, UH, REQUIRING DOORS AND WINDOWS TO REMAIN CLOSED.
UH, NO ADVERTISE EVENTS LIMITING THE HOURS THAT LIVE ENTERTAINMENT COULD TAKE PLACE, AND REQUIRING THAT THEY FOLLOW TITLE 12, WHICH IS NOISE.
WE ALSO INCLUDED A CONDITION RELATED TO PDS COMMENT REQUIRING SOME BETTER EXTERIOR LIGHTING.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THE RESTAURANT WAS ALSO REQUIRED TO SUBMIT FOR A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THIS RESTAURANT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COASTAL ZONE, WHICH IS TYPICALLY THE AREA WEST OF INTERSTATE FIVE.
UH, THIS REALLY MEANS TWO THINGS.
THE FIRST IS THAT THE ZONING MAP INDICATES THE LAW AS MEDIUM INDUSTRIAL.
HOWEVER, THE 2011 CODE UPDATE IS NOT YET ACTIVE IN THE COASTAL ZONE.
SO THE PREVIOUS ZONING MEDIUM MANUFACTURING WOULD APPLY.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, DISCRETIONARY PROJECTS IN THE COASTAL ZONE REQUIRE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMITS REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL FINDING RELATED TO CONSISTENCY WITH THE LOCAL COASTAL PLAN.
WE'VE INCLUDED THAT FINDING IN THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION.
TO SUMMARIZE, THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
ALCOHOL SALES FOR ONSITE CONSUMPTION AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT ARE CONDITIONALLY
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ALLOWED USES IN THE MEDIUM MANUFACTURING COASTAL ZONE ALCOHOL SALES AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WOULD BE ACCESSORY TO THE RESTAURANT IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.WE'VE INCLUDED CONDITIONS CONSISTENT WITH CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7, WHICH ARE INTENDED TO ALLEVIATE CONCERNS RELATED TO IMPACTS ON THE AREA.
AND WE'VE INCLUDED CONDITIONS ADDRESSING CONCERNS RELATED TO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
THE OPTIONS TONIGHT ARE FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CQA AND APPROVE THE C-U-P-C-D-P BASED ON THE FINDINGS LISTED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION, OR FIND THE PROJECT NOT EXEMPT FROM CQA AND OR DENY THE PROJECT BASED ON THE FINDINGS LISTED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION OR CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL IF APPROVED.
IT WILL GO AS A NOTICE OF DECISION TO CITY COUNCIL IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS.
THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
I INVITE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THEIR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION.
GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, MY NAME IS MARCO POLO CORTEZ.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
UH, AGAIN, WE WE CONCUR WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS SUPPORT, UH, THE REQUEST FOR ALCOHOL, SALES AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AS IS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT SOMETHING THAT STAFF DID MENTION ABOUT THE CENSUS TRACT.
IT'S A VERY LONG RECTANGLE CENSUS TRACT, AND THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND LICENSE WEST OF THE FIVE FREEWAY.
I BELIEVE THE ONLY ONE IS DOWN THE STREET ON THE NORTH END OR SOUTH END, OR BIGGER.
PARDON? UH, WHERE THE, UH, SAAN, UH, RESTAURANT USED TO BE.
I THINK THERE'S STILL, THERE'S A LICENSE THERE.
YEAH, THERE'S A LICENSE THERE STILL.
AND, UM, SO I JUST WANNA QUALIFY THAT BECAUSE MOST OF THE ACTIVITY OF THOSE LICENSES ARE THE EAST OF THE FIVE FREEWAY.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, THIS LOCATION IS A DESTINATION LOCATION.
THERE'S NO REASON REALLY TO GO INTO THAT PART OF TOWN UNLESS YOU WORK THERE.
AND AS YOU KNOW, UH, A LOT OF CITIES, THEY ACTUALLY GROW DURING THE DAY AND THEN THEY, THEY CONTRACT AT NIGHT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORKFORCE, UH, EMPLOYMENT THERE THAT WOULD, UM, BENEFIT FROM THE RESTAURANT AND THE ABILITY TO SELL ALCOHOL THERE AS A COMPLIMENTARY TO THEIR FOOD DINING EXPERIENCE.
THE PARKING IS, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH PARKING THERE, THERE'S SO MUCH PARKING ON THAT STREET, MCKINLEY, THAT EVEN AS A, AS THE NIGHT CONTRACTS AS YOU COULD PARK WHEREVER YOU WANT BASICALLY.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I'M HERE TO ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE, EL ELENA RO UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THAT.
WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.
AND JUST TO CONFIRM, YES, I HAVE, UM, MR. OH, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I APOLOGIZE, OR COMMENTS? YEAH, I, I WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC FIRST.
AND THEN, AND THEN WE'LL, THANK YOU.
I TRUST THAT YOU SAW MY EMAIL TO YOU VERY WELL.
I'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO DENY THE SE QA EXEMPTION, THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS OPERATION.
THERE ARE 17 ALCOHOL OUTLETS IN THE AREA.
IT IS OVERSATURATED, AS WE SAY.
THOSE OUTLETS INCLUDE S THE THE GAS STATION AT THE CORNER, NOT JUST SEQUAN AND THE HOTEL AT THE END.
UM, EVERYBODY ON 24TH STREET THAT CAN SELL ALCOHOL, YOU KNOW, THOSE RESTAURANTS AS WELL.
UM, THERE ARE RISKS TO THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THAT.
THE PROPERTY, UH, THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT ESSENTIAL OR DESIRABLE.
AND THE PROOF OF THAT FACT IS THE FACT THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN A PROFITABLE BUSINESS IN THAT OPERATION FOR A LONG TIME.
THERE WASN'T ENOUGH SUPPORT FOR THAT RESTAURANT IN THE PAST.
THERE WAS ALCOHOL SOLD THERE 20 YEARS AGO.
I'M SURPRISED HE TALKS ABOUT PARKING.
THE BIKE'S GONNA GO DOWN, DOWN THAT STREET.
THE PARKING'S GONNA BE SEVERELY LIMITED DOWN THAT ONE.
IT WILL BECOME A ONE-WAY STREET.
THE BUILDING IS INADEQUATE IN SHAPE AND SIZE FOR THIS KIND OF BU BUSINESS.
IT'S NARROW, IT'S DANGEROUS, UH, IN THE, IN THE RESPECT, AS THE POLICE SAID, FOR LIGHTING AS WELL AS THE LACK OF EXITS.
I BELIEVE THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY OUT FROM THAT BUILDING.
THERE'S NO ADJUSTMENT OF HOURS OR PROMISES FROM THE OPERATOR THAT CAN OVERCOME THESE FINDINGS.
LAST I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER AND COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THIS IS A CONVERSION, EXCUSE ME,
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OF THE PROPERTY TO A BAR.IT'S ACTUALLY A CONVERSION TO A BAR.
ALCOHOL SALES AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WILL NOT BE INCIDENTAL TO THE FOOD SERVICE, BUT INSTEAD WILL BECOME THE MAIN ATTRACTION.
THEY WANNA STAY OPEN LATE SO THEY CAN SELL ALCOHOL.
NATIONAL CITY MAY NEED MORE SMALL BUSINESSES OF THIS TYPE, BUT IN THIS LOCATION, THIS DOES NOT SERVE THE GREATER PUBLIC NEED.
IN FACT, WILL LIKELY REQUIRE MORE PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICE CALLS.
OKAY, MADAM SECRETARY, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON ZOOM FOR THIS? NO.
UH, I ALSO REQUEST THAT, UH, MADAM SECRETARY PROCEED WITH DISCLOSING IF ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED IN WRITING.
AND THOSE WERE DISTRIBUTED TO EACH OF YOU AS WELL AS POSTED ONLINE.
WOULD STAFF LIKE TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? UH, NO COMMENTS, ESPECIALLY, UH, MR. GUTSHOT WAS CORRECT THAT THERE ARE ARE OTHER OUTLETS ON THE WEST SIDE OF FIVE, BUT THOSE ARE ON, UH, EXCUSE ME, OFF SALE AS OPPOSED TO ON SALE.
SO I JUST WOULD WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION THAT THERE ARE TWO ON SALE, AS IN RESTAURANTS, THE OFF SALE ARE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY WITH REGARDS TO SATURATION.
UH, DOES THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WISH TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? PLEASE COME FORWARD.
YOU HAVE A FIVE MINUTE TIME LIMIT, PLEASE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO, UH, RESPOND TO ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE.
THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO EXITS AND THERE'S TWO INGRESS EGRESSES AT THIS LOCATION.
IT'S GOT A COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT ALREADY APPROVED.
THE BUILDING WAS A RESTAURANT, BEEN THERE FOR 60 SOMETHING, 70 YEARS.
IT'S GOT A LONG HISTORY IN NASHVILLE CITY.
JUST THE ZONE CHANGED ON THEM.
SO WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE OPERATORS COMING THROUGH.
SO I WANT TO QUALIFY AND CLARIFY THAT, UM, FOR MISINFORMATION.
UH, HER ENGLISH IS NOT THAT, UH, GOOD.
SO SHE WANTS ME TO HELP HER OUT OR TRANSLATE IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER.
UM, AGAIN, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY HOURS OF OPERATION CURRENTLY.
UH, FOR NOW IT'S, UM, 8:00 AM TO 2:00 PM IT'S ONLY BREAKFAST OR LUNCH? IT'S NOW IT'S ONLY BREAKFAST.
AND LUNCH CURRENTLY? YES, FOR NOW.
IS THAT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY? UH, MONDAY TO SUNDAY, MONDAY EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY.
WHEN, WHEN ARE YOU PLANNING ON OPENING UP IN THE EVENING HOURS? UM, WHEN I TAKE THE PERMIT, IF IN CASE IT'S APPROVED, UM, EXTEND MY HOURS FOR NOW.
I'M OKAY WITH THIS, UM, SCHEDULE.
ARE YOU GONNA STILL REMAIN OPEN FOR, SO YOU'LL BE OPEN FOR BREAKFAST, LUNCH AND DINNER THEN? YEAH.
SO YOU'RE GONNA REMAIN OPEN AT 8:00 AM YES.
ALL THE WAY UNTIL WHENEVER? MM-HMM
AND IT'S MORE RESTAURANT, LIKE A BAR? IT'S NOT A BAR.
IT'S, IT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE WE TAKE KIDS, WE TAKE FAMILIES.
I, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT THERE'S NO BAR SEATING.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE BAR SEATING? NO.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, WHERE DO YOU LIVE AGAIN? DO YOU LIVE IN NATIONAL CITY.
AND THEN, UH, DO YOU HAVE WORKERS FROM NATIONAL CITY IN YOUR RESTAURANT? YEAH.
UM, WHEN I WENT THERE THE OTHER DAY, I WENT THERE TWICE.
I DIDN'T KNOW YOU CLOSED AT 2:00 PM SO, UH, I DID, UM, FEEL UNSAFE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S DARK AND I WAS JUST THINKING LIKE, WHOA, YOU KNOW,
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, HOPEFULLY THERE'S PLANS FOR THAT.
BUT, UM, WHEN I ALSO IN THE SEATING AREA, UM, I DID NOTICE THERE'S A TABLE OUTSIDE, UH, THE FRONT DOOR.
SO IS, I DIDN'T SEE THAT ALLOCATED ON THE SEATING MAP, IS THAT PART OF THE, THERE YOUR, UM, YOU COUNT THAT AS PEOPLE THAT GO SIT OUT THERE? SHE'S, SHE'S SINCE TAKING THOSE CHAIRS OUT, SHE'S TAKEN THE CHAIRS AND THE TABLES OUT.
IF IN THE FUTURE SHE WANTS TO DO IT, SHE SHOULD'VE GOTTA HAVE TO GET A PERMANENT.
SO THEY WON'T HAVE THAT'S CORRECT.
ANY, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT THAT'S CORRECT.
HAVING ANY ALCOHOL IN THAT SITE.
UM, YOU POINTED OUT THE SECOND, UM, EXIT OR ENTRANCE IF FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
AND WHEN, IF YOU DO GET THE ALCOHOL LICENSE, IS THAT GONNA BE AN ENTRANCE? IT'S, IT'S AN EMERGENCY CORRIDOR.
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THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.UM, AND THEN CAN WE GO TO THE, WHERE THE LIVE, WHERE THE RESTAURANT MAP IS, UH, FOR INDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT? I NOTICED IT'S RIGHT OUTSIDE THE BATHROOM AREA.
IS THAT CURRENTLY WHERE YOU HAVE LIKE, YOUR SELFIE PICTURE AREA? IS THAT WHERE THE ENTERTAINMENT WILL BE? THAT THAT'S WHERE A PROPOSED DISC JOCKEY WOULD BE.
AND ISN'T THERE A WALL BETWEEN THE, THE TABLES AND THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AREA? IT WOULDN'T, EVERY ROOM WOULD REQUIRE THAT MUCH SPACE.
WHERE DISC JOCKEY, IT'S JUST A SMALL TABLE.
NOT A LOT OF DIS JOCKEYS BRING LAPTOPS AND THEY JUST PRESS A BUTTON.
AND, UH, GUESS THAT'S IT FOR ME.
OH, I'M SORRY AGAIN WITH THE HOURS.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S OPEN FROM EIGHT TO 2:00 PM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND IF YOU DO GET APPROVED, IT WOULD BE FROM EIGHT TO WHAT TIME? 9:10 PM FROM EIGHT TO 9:00 PM WHAT WE'RE REQUESTED IS TO MIDNIGHT FOR ALCOHOL SALES.
LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WOULD BE EXTENDED TILL, I THINK SUNDAY TO THIRD.
11:00 PM OR 1130? NO, 10:00 PM INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR.
SO WE'RE TALKING 10 FROM 10 DAILY.
SOPHIA, DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? UH, 11:00 PM INDOORS, CORRECT? YES.
AND THE ALCOHOL SALES WOULD BE 8:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF NOW.
UM, WHAT ARE THE BUSINESSES AROUND IT? THE, THE INDUSTRIAL ONES? I DIDN'T, I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT HERE.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY ARE LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
I CAN CHECK TO FIND THE EXACT NAMES.
UM, THE TWO THAT I HAVE LISTED IS HANDY METAL MART AND WALLES INDUSTRIAL.
ARE, ARE THEY LIKE, UH, YOU SAID METAL MART, ARE THEY YES.
YEAH, THEY'RE TYPICAL INDUSTRIAL USES WITH, UH, FOR CAROL METALWORKS IS TO THE SOUTH'S, ALSO A RENTAL EQUIPMENT, RENTAL ALL OPEN DURING THE DAY AND CLOSED AT NIGHT.
AND THEN, UH, THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE OF OTHER INDUSTRIAL MARINE TYPE, UH, UH, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT'S ALONG THAT STREET THAT'S NOT A RESIDENCE IS GONNA BE, THE SI A SIMILAR USE.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A LOUD EVOLUTION INDU.
THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, BUT, UH, THE METAL WORKS, I'M UNSURE IS MOST OF WHAT THEY DO IS, IS, UH, INSIDE, I BELIEVE.
BUT AS FAR AS NOISE, I MEAN, THEY ARE NEXT TO THE FREEWAY, SO MM-HMM
AND ONE MORE QUESTION, UH, THE END OF THE ROAD, DOES IT, IS IT A CUL-DE-SAC? I DIDN'T DRIVE ALL THE WAY OVER THERE.
OR IS IT, DOES IT OPEN UP TO ANOTHER STREET.
SORRY, I, I SHOULD KNOW THIS AREA BETTER, BUT I'M GONNA LOOK AT MY MAP, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
IT'S NOT, SO IT DOES OPEN UP TO ANOTHER STREET FROM TO FOUR 10 GOING, GOING THAT CURVES AROUND.
THAT'S, THERE IS GONNA BE, THAT IS GONNA CHANGE SLIGHTLY WITH THE, THE ADDITION OF THE BAY SHORE PARKWAY THAT'S GONNA BE COMING DOWN THAT STREET FROM OVER ON HARBOR DRIVE AND COMING DOWN ACROSS.
SO THAT WILL CHANGE IT TO, I BELIEVE IT'S CHANGING TO ONE WAY GOING SOUTH, BUT WE WOULD LOSE ALL THOSE DIAGONAL PARKINGS RIGHT NOW.
UH, NOT, PROBABLY NOT THE, NO, NOT THOSE ONES.
THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE CHANGED TO ANGLE THE OTHER WAY.
UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
CAN YOU, UM, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON WHAT A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT IS? UH, SURE.
SO EVERYTHING WEST OF THE FIVE IN THIS LOCATION IS CONSIDERED THE COASTAL ZONE OF THE CITY.
SO ANY, ANY, NORMALLY ANY DEVELOPMENT WOULD REQUIRE A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE AN EXEMPTION IN OUR LOCAL COASTAL PLAN BECAUSE A LOT OF THE AREA IS INDUSTRIAL AND NOT
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LEADING TO THE BAY OR, OR ACCESS TO THE BAY OR THE OCEAN.THAT, UH, ANY USE THAT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT IS EXEMPT FROM A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
HOWEVER, IN THE CASE OF A DISCRETIONARY PERMIT, THERE IS THE NEED FOR A FINDING TO BE MADE FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE COASTAL, UH, WITH THE COASTAL ZONE POLICIES.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT IN THIS CASE, WHICH IS JUST THAT EXTRA FINDING.
SO IT'S NOT RELATED TO ANY DEVELOPMENT PER SE.
UM, AND THERE ARE AREAS THAT ARE CLOSER TO THE MARSH, FOR EXAMPLE, PARADISE MARSH, THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT BY, NO MATTER WHAT THEY DID, THAT WOULD STILL REQUIRE A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
IT'S PRETTY MINOR IN THIS CASE.
JUST ONE EXTRA FINDING BECAUSE IT'S IN THE COASTAL ZONE.
AND THEN, UM, ALSO, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS CUP, UM, COULD IT BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, UM, TO REQUIRE EXTERIOR LIGHTING BE INSTALLED AND MAINTAINED FOR SAFETY? THAT IS ALREADY A CONDITION INCLUDED? YES.
DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE PLANS OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE OR WHAT, HOW, HOW LIGHT IT'S GONNA LOOK? IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY VAGUE CONDITION AT THIS POINT, UH, AS WE'RE UNSURE OF THE NEXT STEPS.
IT DOES SAY WELL LIT AND NO SHADOWS IN FRONT OF THAT WAS BASED ON COMMENTS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO WE WOULD REQUIRE THAT TO BE, UH, IN PLACE PRIOR TO ALCOHOL BEING SOLD OR ADDITIONAL HOURS.
AND CAN YOU JUST REMIND US OF THE, UM, THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE OF WHERE EXACTLY THAT NEW BIKE PATH IS GOING TO BE, UM, GOING THROUGH AND WHICH, WHICH WAY, ON A ONE WAY, IS IT GONNA GO THROUGH THERE? UH, I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP WHILE, WHILE WE TALK, BUT
SO, UH, ONE, ONE THING I WILL SAY IS IT ISN'T A, UH, CONSIDERED A TRANSIT PRIORITY AREA, SO IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO PARKING TECHNICALLY.
SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THE DISCUSSION, BUT AS FAR AS BASIS FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL, THAT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAPPEN.
BUT WE, I WILL DO SOME RESEARCH IN THE MEANTIME AND GET THAT ANSWER FOR YOU.
ONE MORE QUESTION, UH, ON THIS BIKE PATH, WILL THERE BE ANY ADDITIONAL LIGHTING ON THAT STREET ADDED WHEN THE BIKE PATH IS ADDED, OR IS IT GONNA REMAIN DARK AS IS? I DON'T KNOW.
I, I KNOW THAT MOST OF THE SEGMENTS OF THE BAYSHORE PARKWAY ARE JUST FOR ACTIVATION OF THE STREET DURING WHENEVER PEOPLE WOULD NORMALLY BE RIDING.
I I DON'T THINK IT NECESSARILY INCLUDES LIGHTING IN AND OF ITSELF.
IT MAY BE A SEPARATE, UH, A SEPARATE PROJECT, BUT I CAN FIND THAT OUT.
UH, A QUESTION I HAVE FOR STAFF, THE LIGHTING THAT IS PROPOSED, WILL IT BE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR WILL IT BE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING ITSELF? ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING ITSELF.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM? IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN, TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.
WE WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIED WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, UM, FOR THE PROPOSAL OF THE 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM OUTDOORS, I, I DON'T REALLY SEE AN ISSUE WITH THE ENTERTAINMENT BECAUSE IT'S IN SUCH AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
10:00 AM IS NO FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT.
8:00 AM SO THE, THE ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES, RIGHT, I HAD 8:00 AM 11 30 0 8 AM TO 11:30 PM YOU'RE CORRECT.
UM, SO STAFF RECOMMENDED MODIFIED HOURS FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT FOR 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM SO LET PUT, AM I LOOKING AT THE STAFF MODIFICATION? OKAY.
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THE BLUE IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? CORRECT.SO WITH THE, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, 10:00 AM TO 11:30 PM DAILY AND 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM FOR OUTDOOR DAILY, UM, I THINK THAT THAT IS, IS GOOD TIMING.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD, THERE IS ONE RESIDENTIAL UNIT THAT IS TWO DOORS DOWN APPEARS TO BE A HOUSE, AND THEN MAYBE ON THE CORNER OF 18TH AND MCKINLEY THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL APARTMENTS.
UM, SO I, I THINK IT WOULD BE, I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD GET, YOU KNOW, GOOD WALKING TRAFFIC TO COME IN AND SOME WALKABILITY FOR PEOPLE OVER ON THE WEST SIDE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO AND HANG OUT.
UM, SO I THINK THOSE TIMES ARE GOOD AND THEY WOULDN'T INTERRUPT ANYTHING, WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED.
UM, AND AS FOR THE, UM, UH, ALCOHOL, I, I THINK THAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CUT THAT DOWN AN HOUR FROM, UM, 8:00 AM UNTIL 11:00 PM ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS? UH, SO, OKAY.
WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ALONG THOSE LINES FOR, WELL, NO, I WANT, EXCUSE ME.
I WANTED TO OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION SO THAT I DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION IF IT'S AGREED UPON, BUT I JUST WANTED TO DISCUSS FIRST WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT FROM 11 TO.
SO WHAT IF AT AT THE BOTTOM, THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS INDOOR, 10:00 AM TO 11:30 PM DAILY AND OUTDOOR.
SO THAT WOULD BE FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
UM, AND THE PRE PREVIOUS APPROVAL WAS ALCOHOL AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT FROM 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM UM, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH, IF THEY WANTED, SINCE THEY SERVED BREAKFAST ALREADY, UM, WITH HAVING, YOU KNOW, MIMOSAS OR SOMETHING IN THE MORNING, BLOODY MARY'S FOR, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BEER OR WHATEVER, UM, IN THE MORNING FOR, UM, 8:00 AM UM, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE OUT THAT LATE IN THAT AREA, UM, UNLESS THEY WERE LOOKING TO PROBABLY NOT EAT.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO SHORTEN THAT DOWN MAYBE TO 11:00 PM FOR THE ALCOHOL.
WERE YOU STILL OPEN FOR DISCUSSION? ABSOLUTELY.
WE'RE TALKING, UH, COMMISSIONER ARMINTA BECAUSE OF THE AREA.
UH, I, AND I AGREE WITH, UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE.
UH, I'D LIKE TO MAYBE IF WE CAN DISCUSS LEAVING IT AS IT WAS BEFORE 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM FOR BOTH ALCOHOL AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
'CAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR ME TO, UM, YOU KNOW, LIVE ENTERTAINMENT TO CONTINUE AND THE ALCOHOL DOESN'T MATCH IT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY IT JUST CREATES A, KEEPS IT A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.
MR. CHAIR, MR. READER, UH, THANK YOU.
I JUST, I DID WANNA REMIND, UM, THE COMMISSION THAT THIS CURRENT BUSINESS IS OPEN EARLIER IN THE DAY THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY WERE ASKING FOR THE ALCOHOL EARLIER THAN 10, JUST FOR DISCUSSION.
THAT WAS ALSO COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ.
THAT'S ALSO MY, UH, I'M HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THE DAILY SINCE WE WE'RE DISCUSSING IT.
AND, UH, MAYBE DAILY 10 WOULD MAKE SENSE AND MAYBE WEEKEND.
YOU WANT START DRINKING AT 8:00 AM I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
NOW WOULD THAT BE FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AS WELL? LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WOULD REMAIN AS STAFF RECOMMENDED? OR DID YOU WANT TO SHORTEN DOWN THE INDOOR FROM 1130 TO 10:00 PM SO 10 TO 10 FOR INDOOR OUTDOOR ON LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
JUST, YOU WANNA DO 10 TO 10 ALCOHOL AND ENTERTAINMENT ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD AND 8:00 AM STARTING WITH 8:00 AM ALCOHOL ON SATURDAY, SUNDAY? YEAH.
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OVERTIME YOU WORKED.MY, MY ONLY CON MY CONCERN ON THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, I WOULD LIKE IT, EVERYTHING NEAT.
BUT I, I LIKE THE ABILITY FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT TO HAVE ITS OWN TIME BECAUSE YOU, YOU NEVER KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST DON'T THINK STARTING TOO EARLY ON THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WOULD, YOU KNOW, JUST OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
CAN WE GET A, A SUMMARY OF, SO WOULD THAT BE, SORRY, I'LL, I'LL I'LL GIVE A GO THEN.
YOU TELL ME IF, IF I'M DOING IT CAN MAKE THE MOTION YOU DO IT.
SO I'LL MAKE THE MOTION AND I WOULD SAY FOR THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT TO KEEP IT AS STAFF RECOMMENDED.
AND THEN FOR THE ALCOHOLS, WE'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE TO KEEP IT DURING THE WEEK, WHICH WOULD BE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, UH, FROM 10 TO 10, 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM AND THEN ON THE WEEKENDS AND OR HOLIDAYS, THROW THAT IN THERE.
FROM 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM COULD I MAKE A REQUEST, UH, THAT YOU USE THE REQUESTED, THE SUGGESTED LANGUAGE FROM THE STAFF REPORT? IT'S ON, IT'S ON PAGE 42 BECAUSE THERE'S SOME SEQUEL LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE APPROVAL.
SO YOU CAN JUST, IT'S UNDER OPTIONS YOU CAN USE NUMBER ONE.
DO YOU HAVE THAT? SORRY, I WAS, UH, LOOKING AT IT ONLINE.
MR. CHAIR ALSO, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
YES, MR. READER, IN RESPONSE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DISCUSSION OVER THE HOURS, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION? UH, YE UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE APPLICANT COME BACK UP, YOU HAVE TO REOPEN YEAH.
YOU HAVE TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IN ORDER TO TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY.
YEAH, I'LL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SPEAKING WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT IS IMPORTANT, BUT THE ALCOHOL SALES IS SUPERSEDES THAT.
SO IF WE CAN DO ALCOHOL SALES AT 8:00 AM STILL THURSDAY, SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, STOP SERVING AT 10 O'CLOCK.
FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY, GO TO 11.
AS FAR AS ALCOHOL SALES, ALCOHOL SALES, HE WANTS THE ALCOHOLS.
SO FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, ALCOHOL SALES WOULD BE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR UNTIL 11:00 PM CORRECT.
AND EVERY DAY TO BEGIN AT 8:00 AM YES.
AND THEN LIMITING LIVE ENTERTAINMENT TILL WELL STAFF RECOMMENDING.
IT'S JUST THE MOST OF THE ACTIVITY THAT THIS BUSINESS IS GONNA GET IS IN THE MORNING.
THE MORNING, TO YOUR POINT, NOT NECESSARILY AT NIGHT.
'CAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A DESTINATION LOCATION, SO PEOPLE REALLY HAVE TO GO AND GO THERE TO GO THERE.
AND I MIGHT ADD, IF THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO GO TO HAVE A COCKTAIL, THEY HAVE TO SERVE ALCOHOL AS PART AS ABC'S REQUIREMENTS AND THE CEP REQUIREMENT.
SO NO ONE COULD JUST COME IN AND JUST SIT DOWN.
YOU HAVE TO BUY, YOU HAVE TO BUY SOME FOOD.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE AMENABLE, BUT, UH, AND WE ENJOY THIS DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, SHE'S A BUSINESS OWNER AS WELL.
SHE WANTS TO, UH, PLAY APPROPRIATELY WITH THE, WITHIN THE RULES.
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE, THIS IS NOT SURROUNDED BY A LOT OF OTHER RESTAURANTS OR RETAIL BUSINESSES.
SO AGAIN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME HERE SPECIFICALLY TO COME IN AND HAVE HER GRAB A BITE AND THEN DRINK.
AND LASTLY, I MAY ADD, UH, AND I USED THE WORLD CUP EARLIER, BUT THERE'S OTHER, LIKE, SPORTING ACTIVITIES FROM AROUND THE WORLD, WHETHER IT'S A WIMBLEDON OR THE EUROPEAN CUP, OR SOME OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING AROUND THE WORLD OLYMPICS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, OH, COMMISSIONER ARMINTA.
UH, YOU MENTIONED THE, UM, ON THE MS. ELENA IS A BUSINESS OWNER, AND I IT TRIGGERED, UM, IN THE CONVERSATION WITH HER, SHE MENTIONED SHE HAD OTHER BUSINESSES, UH, OTHER RESTAURANTS.
SO DO THE OTHER RESTAURANTS HAVE, UH, LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AND ALCOHOL LICENSES? NOT YET.
SHE'S GOT ONE OTHER RESTAURANT IN CHULA VISTA, AND WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS OF GETTING HER LICENSE THERE.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT SHE MENTIONED SANTEE AND IMPERIAL BEACH AS WELL.
THAT WAS, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THOSE.
HEARING, I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT ANOTHER SPEAKER SLIP.
WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT IF YOU CHOOSE TO, YOU CAN HEAR AGAIN.
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WELL, YOU REOPENED THE, YOU'VE REOPENED YOUR PUBLIC HEARING.PUBLIC COMMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN.
NO, I, I, I WOULD, UH, PREFER TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NO, I'M GOING TO, TO LISTEN TO ME.
TED CHU HERE, UH, JUST A COUPLE CLARIFICATIONS.
THE BIKE PATH IS GONNA RUN ONE WAY.
SOUTHBOUND AND I ENCOUNTER MANY DIFFICULTIES WITH THE PARKING THERE.
HUNDREDS OF CARS PARKED, AND MANY, MANY PEOPLE WORKING ON THAT STREET, UH, TRUCKS AT THE, FOR, FOR THE SOUTH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER.
YOU'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT ALCOHOL THAT KIND OF SUPPORTS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.
THIS IS GONNA BE AN ALCOHOL CENTERED OPERATION.
THIS IS, HAS FOOD AS AN INCIDENTAL USE.
IT'S, IT'S A FLIP OF THE LONG HISTORY OF A RESTAURANT.
THEY, I THINK YOU SHOULD LIMIT THE ALCOHOL TO ZERO.
UH, AND THEN LASTLY ON RESIDENTS, WE'RE A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING.
TWO DOORS DOWN, THERE'S A HOME.
THERE WAS A HOME NEXT TO THAT, THAT'S BEEN TAKEN OUT, AND IT'S A STORAGE LOT.
THERE'S A MAN THAT LIVES A FAMILY THAT LIVES NORTH OF THIS BUILDING.
SO THERE'S A LARGE BUILDING NEXT GOING NORTH, NORTH, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER HOME STILL UP THERE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S MCKINLEY APARTMENTS AND THERE'S TWO SECTIONS TO THAT.
AND THAT THEY'RE ALL ON THAT SAME STREET BETWEEN THIS BUILDING AND 19TH STREET.
UH, HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
A QUESTION I HAVE FOR STAFF, ANY RESIDENTIAL, UH, DWELLINGS IN THE AREA? ARE THEY NON-CONFORMING? UH, THIS IS THE MM.
OR MEDIUM MANUFACTURING ZONE? UH, ANY RESIDENTIAL, NEW RESIDENTIAL USES WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED IN THAT AREA, BUT ONES THAT ARE EXISTING MAY CONTINUE, BUT THEY WOULD BE PHASED OUT OVER TIME.
UH, IF THEY WERE CHANGED TO A DIFFERENT USE OR IF THEY WERE, UH, DESTROYED TO A POINT WHERE THE NON-CONFORMING CHAPTER OF THE CODE WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY COULDN'T BE REBUILT.
UM, SO WE'RE STILL AT THAT POINT WHERE WE NEED TO DETERMINE THE, UH, HOURS AND, UM, VICE CHAIR CASTLE.
I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION.
WE'RE, WE'RE AT THAT POINT NOW.
OH, DO WE HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST? THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST ABOUT TO, I CLOSED THE, YOU CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT.
NO, I, I CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO ARE WE, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION.
SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.
I'M GOING TO MOTION, UH, APPROVED ON THE PROJECT BEING EXEMPT FROM CQA, UM, UNDER THE OPTIONS FINDINGS, NUMBER ONE, I AM ALSO GOING TO PROPOSE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR ALCOHOL CELLS FROM 8:00 AM UNTIL 10:00 PM AND IT IS GOING, WHICH DAYS OF THE WEEK? UH, THAT IS GOING TO BE, UM, 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH, I THINK SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND THEN FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
NO, I THINK ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
SO LET'S JUST DO SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
8:00 AM TILL 10:00 PM AND, UH, ENTERTAINMENT IS GOING TO BE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S 10:00 AM UNTIL 10:00 PM AND THAT, OR NO, JUST ACROSS THE BOARD.
10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM BUT WE HAVE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN INDOOR AND OUTDOOR.
FOR INDOOR AND NOW OUTDOOR, WOULD THEY HAVE AN INDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT CORRECT.
AREA AND AN OUTDOOR FOR INDOOR 10 TO 10.
WELL, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE INDOOR WAS TILL 1130, I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS TILL 1130.
RIGHT? THAT WAS THE INDOOR DID.
WE WANTED THE, THE, I I ASSUME THE OUTDOOR.
SO THE OUTDOOR IS 10 TO 10 AND THE INDOOR IS 10 TO 11:30 PM ON YES.
THAT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE RESOLUTION NOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE JUST LEAVE IT FIRST.
THAT'S, YOU'RE JUST BE CHANGING THE ALCOHOL SALES.
8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM HOW A WEEK ACROSS? SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
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WE HAVE A MOTION BY COM, UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2025 DASH ZERO SEVEN.A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY CALIFORNIA APPROVING THE PROJECT AND THAT IT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
CQA UNDER CLASS ONE OF THE CQA GUIDELINES, SECTION 1 53 0 1, EXISTING FACILITIES FOR A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BEER AND WINE SALES.
A, B, C TYPE 41 AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT, LA MA RITA BY DOCHE, LOCATED AT 1524 MCKINLEY AVENUE IN THE COASTAL ZONE.
CASE FILE NUMBER 2025 DASH 12 C-U-P-C-D-P-A PN 5 57 DASH FIVE FIVE DASH EIGHT AS AMENDED BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION VICE CHAIR CASTLE AS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? NO.
I JUST WISH YOU GUYS WELL AND, UM, I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS BRING LOTS OF GOOD TIMES OVER TO THE WEST SIDE.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, UH, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIED WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR DISCUSSION ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRE YOUR PRESENCE.
[6. Request to Initiate an Amendment to Title 18 (Zoning) of the National City Municipal Code Amending Table 18.24.040A Related to Height and Number of Stories in the MXC-1 Zone.]
SO WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OTHER BUSINESS.UH, ITEM SIX IS A REQUEST TO INITIATE AN AMENDMENT TO TITLE 18, THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL CODE AMENDING TABLE 18.24 A RELATED TO HEIGHT AND NUMBER OF STORIES IN THE MXC DASH ONE ZONE.
AND AS I RECALL, THE MXD DASH ONE ZONE WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM.
GOOD EVENING CHAIR, COMMISSION THE PUBLIC.
TONIGHT I WILL BE PRESENTING ITEM SIX, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO INITIATE AN AMENDMENT TO TITLE 18 OF THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL CODE AMENDING TABLE 18.2 4.040 A RELATED TO HEIGHT AND NUMBER OF STORIES IN THE MX C ONE ZONE.
UH, THE TABLE REGULATES DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THE MX C ONE ZONE, SO IT INCLUDES MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM STANDARDS FOR SETBACKS, HEIGHT, FLOOR AREA DENSITY, ET CETERA.
CURRENTLY, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT LISTED IN THE TABLE IS 50 FEET AND THREE STORIES.
CURRENTLY, ALL ZONES WITHIN NATIONAL CITY MEASURE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN FEET AND NUMBER OF STORIES.
UM, PER THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODE, THE MAXIMUM STORY HEIGHT IS 14 FEET.
SO A THREE STORY BUILDING COULD NOT BE TALLER THAN 42 FEET, NOT INCLUDING ANY ROOF ARTICULATION.
WHILE THE MINIMUM CEILING HEIGHT IS SEVEN FEET, SEVEN FEET, SIX INCHES, WHICH WOULD ALLOW A LOT MORE THAN THREE STORIES WITHIN 50 FEET.
SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HEIGHT AND FEE AND NUMBER OF STORIES ALLOWS DESIGNS THAT INCORPORATE ROOF ARTICULATION AND MECHANICAL SCREENING.
HOWEVER, THE LARGE GAP ALSO REMOVES FLEXIBILITY FOR VARIATION IN BUILDING MASS WHEN MAXIMIZING THEIR FLOOR AREA.
THIS CAN REDUCE FLEXIBILITY AND RESULTS IN PROJECTS WITH FEWER UNITS OR AVAILABLE COMMERCIAL SPACE.
AS SUCH, PROJECTS IN THE MX C ONE ZONE HAVE HAD DIFFICULTY DEVELOPING TO THEIR MAXIMUM POTENTIAL.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT LIMIT THE SIZE AND BULK OF BUILDINGS IN THE MX C ONE ZONE, SUCH AS THE MAX HEIGHT, WHICH IS 50 FEET.
THE MAX FLOOR AREA RATIO, WHICH IS ONE FOR SINGLE USE PROJECTS AND TWO FOR MIXED USE PROJECTS.
AND THE MAX DENSITY, WHICH IS 48 DWELL UNITS PER ACRE.
IN 2023, THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT TO HOW HEIGHT WAS MEASURED ON SLOPE LOTS.
IT WAS CHANGED TO AN AVERAGE GRADE MEASUREMENT.
THIS REDUCED THE NEED FOR DISCRETIONARY APPROVALS AS WELL AS REDUCING OVERALL BUILDING COSTS.
AND IT IMPROVED CONSISTENCY WITH STATE LAW AND THE FOCUSED DRONE OPINE UPDATE INCREASING THE PERMITTED NUMBER OF STORIES WILL BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THIS RECENT AMENDMENT, AND IT WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL RELIEF FOR LOTS WITH TOPOGRAPHICAL
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CHALLENGES.SO LOTS COULD HAVE THREE STORIES ON THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE SLOPE, AND FOUR STORIES ON THE LOWEST POINT OF THE SLOPE.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF STORIES PERMITTED IN THE MX ONE ZONE, FROM THREE STORIES TO FOUR STORIES.
STAFF IS ALSO SUGGESTING THE SAME, SAME INCREASE FOR THE MXD ONE ZONE, SINCE THEY HAVE THE SAME DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
THERE IS CURRENTLY NO PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE MAX HEIGHT IN FEET, THE FAR OR DENSITY, THIS REQUEST IS BASED ON THE 120 UNIT FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN THE MX C ONE ZONE, OR A PROPOSED 120 UNIT FOUR STORY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, CURRENTLY THAT PROPOSED PROJECT IS MEETING MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN FEET AND THE FAR WITH THEIR FOUR STORY DESIGN.
SO IF THE BUILDING IS RESTRICTED TO THREE STORIES, THE OVERALL PROJECT MAY NEED TO BE REDUCED.
THIS REDUCTION COULD TAKE PLACE IN PARKING, OPEN SPACE, OR EVEN UNIT COUNTS.
UH, THIS IS THE PERTINENT PORTION OF THE TABLE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS CURRENTLY LISTED AS 50 FEET AND THREE STORIES.
AND THEN STAFF IS SUGGESTING THE FOLLOWING CHANGE, WHICH IS 50 FEET AND FOUR STORIES.
AND THEN HERE'S JUST A LITTLE GRAPHIC TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, SINCE THERE'S NO INCREASE TO THE HIGH OF THE BUILDING IN FEET, UM, ADDING ANOTHER STORIES REALLY MINIMAL TO THE OVERALL BUILDING.
SO MOVING ON TO THE ANALYSIS, UH, THE INTENT OF THE MX C ONE ZONE IS TO ENSURE EXCELLENCE IN SITE PLANNING AND BUILDING DESIGN TO CREATE VIBRANT AND WELL-DEFINED PUBLIC REALM.
UM, CREATING PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND SUPPORTIVE SUSTAINABLE WAY OF LIFE.
BY INCREASING THE NUMBER OF PERMITTED STORIES FROM THREE TO FOUR, UM, WE'D BE PROVIDING GREATER SITE DESIGN FLEXIBILITY, SO THAT WOULD BE MEETING THE INTENT OF THE ZONE.
AND IT ALSO GIVES PROJECTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD UP INSTEAD OF OUT, WHICH CREATES NEW SPACE THAT CAN BE UTILIZED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTS, LIKE GREEN SPACE, COMMON OPEN SPACE AND PARKING.
AND AGAIN, THERE ARE NO PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE MAX HEIGHT IN FEE, THE FAR OR DENSITY.
SO THERE'S NO INCREASE IN AMOUNT OF BUILDING AREA GRANTED.
AND ALL OF THESE PROJECTS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MEET THESE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE MXC ONE ZONE CHARACTER.
RECENTLY THE MXT ZONE WAS ADDED AS PART OF THE FOCUS GENERAL PLAN UPDATE.
THAT ZONE HAS A HEIGHT LIMIT OF 45 FEET AND FOUR STORIES.
SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WANTED TO MAKE THE CHANGE TO ALLOW THE MXC ONE ZONE AND THE MXD ONE ZONE TO HAVE 50 FEET AND FOUR STORIES.
AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, STAFF IS SUGGESTING INCLUDING THE MXD ONE AS PART OF THIS INITIATION PROCESS SINCE IT HAS THE SAME HEIGHT AND NUMBER OF STORIES REQUIREMENTS.
THE REQUEST IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN BECAUSE IT INCREASES THE LIKELIHOOD OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND PROMOTES DEVELOPMENT OF UNDERUTILIZED LAND BY PROVIDING GREATER DESIGN FLEXIBILITY FOR SMALL LOTS AND LOTS WITH TOPOGRAPHIC CHALLENGES.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THOSE TWO GENERAL PLAN POLICIES LISTED BELOW.
SO THE OPTIONS TONIGHT ARE INITIATE PROCEEDINGS TO AMEND TITLE 18 OF THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL CODE OR FILE THE REPORT AND DENY THE REQUEST.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING INITIATION.
UH, IF YOU WISH TO PROCEED, STAFF WILL RETURN WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE AT A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WILL HAVE TO SUBSEQUENTLY BE ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
I NOTICE THAT THERE IS AN APPLICANT, UH, AND I'M GOING TO CALL ON THE APPLICANT IF THEY WANT TO, UH, MAKE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING AND, BUT IT'S A PLEASURE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DO THAT.
THANK YOU, UH, FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY.
MY NAME IS ANDREW BURG WITH GAFCON, AND I AM HERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE TO THE OWNERS OF MANOLO'S MARKET.
UM, THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS ON HIGHLAND AND FOURTH, OR WHERE THIRD TERMINATES AT HIGHLAND.
UM, JOINING ME HERE RIGHT NOW IS CHRIS ALLO, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
DID YOU WANT TO MAYBE FIRST SAY SOMETHING, CHRIS? OKAY.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AGAIN, SIR? CHRIS DLOW.
I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO INTRODUCE MY, TO INTRODUCE, UH, DOUG DLOW, ALSO HERE WITH YOU AND WALLY DAOU.
TOGETHER WE OWN AND OPERATE MANOLO'S MARKET, A FAMILY BUSINESS THAT HAS PROUDLY SERVED THE NATIONAL CITY COMMUNITY FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
TODAY, WE'RE EXCITED TO SHARE WITH YOU OUR VISION FOR A NEW HOUSING PROJECT
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THAT WE ARE DEVELOPING A 120 UNIT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT WE BELIEVE WILL HELP REVITALIZE, ACTIVATE AN IMPORTANT PART OF NA NATIONAL CITY.WE'VE SEEN FIRSTHAND HOW CRITICAL THE NEED FOR QUALITY HOUSING IS IN OUR CITY.
OUR GOAL IS NOT ONLY TO HELP MEET THAT NEED, BUT BUT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF THEIR AREA.
WE BELIEVE THAT MORE HOUSING MEANS MORE OPPORTUNITY, NOT JUST FOR OUR MARKET, BUT FOR OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES.
IF THIS PROJECT IS SUCCESSFUL, IT WILL NOT, IT WILL NOT BE OUR LAST.
WE ARE COMMITTED IN INTO INVESTING IN NATIONAL CITY'S FUTURE AND WE INTEND TO PURSUE ADDITIONAL HOUSING PROJECTS IN NATIONAL CITY.
I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE, OF COURSE, ANDREW AND PAUL NIHAR WITH GAFCON WILL OUTLINE OUR PROPOSAL FOR COMMISSIONS CONSIDERATION.
UM, SO, UH, STAFF DID A AN EXCELLENT JOB, UM, I THINK OUTLINING THE, THE ISSUES AT HAND.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT.
SO ONCE AGAIN, UM, THE PROJECT, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR WELL OVER A YEAR.
AND BEFORE I GO ON, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, MANOLO'S FARMER'S MARKET HAS BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR 30 YEARS.
UH, THEY WANT TO CONTINUE THAT HISTORY OF SERVING THE COMMUNITY, AND PART OF THAT AS, AS CHRIS JUST MENTIONED, IS KIND OF REINVIGORATING THIS PROPERTY.
THE FIRST, UM, STEP AS PART OF THAT IS, UM, THIS PROPOSED APARTMENT PROJECT, WHICH IS 120 UNITS, UM, ON 2.5 ACRES.
UM, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF CREATING A, A PARCEL FOR THAT.
THE BUYRIGHT, UH, DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE IS 48, SO THAT GETS US TO THE ONE 20.
UM, BUT THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE HERE WITH THE THREE STORY RESTRICTION, UM, 50 FEET IS WELL WITHIN, UM, OUR, OUR BUILDING HEIGHT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY AT 45 FEET AT FOUR STORIES.
BUT THE ISSUE WITH, WITH, UH, THREE STORY LIMIT IS IT REALLY RESTRICTS THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE COULD DELIVER TO THE COMMUNITY.
IN FACT, UM, IF WE WERE TO ELIMINATE THE FOUR STORIES, WE WOULD LOSE 29 UNITS.
AND THAT OF COURSE, COMES TO THE EXPENSE OF THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF FEWER UNITS, IT WOULD AFFECT AFFORDABILITY.
UM, AND THAT'S, UM, WE ALL KNOW THERE'S A HOUSING SHORTAGE IN CALIFORNIA, AND THAT'S NOT, NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DO.
UM, AGAIN, 50 50 FEET IS WELL WITHIN OUR LIMIT.
UM, AND JUST AS, UM, KIND OF A COUNTERPOINT, THE PARCEL DIRECTLY TO THE EAST, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL, AND I THINK ZONED RN TWO HAS A HEIGHT LIMIT OF SIX STORIES.
UM, AND LET'S SEE, SIX STORIES AND I BELIEVE 65 FEET.
UM, SO THIS WOULD BE ACTUALLY AT A SMALLER SCALE THAN WHAT ZONED FOR THE NEIGHBORS DIRECTLY TO THE EAST.
UM, SO I GUESS WITH THAT, I'LL JUST OPEN IT UP.
IF, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
AND THAT IS WHERE WE'RE HEADED NEXT, IS, UH, DO ANY PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR APPLICANT COMMISSIONER ES PLEASE? YOUR MIC EXCUSE BEFORE I MOVE ON.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, LEGAL COUNSEL.
I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I LIVE LITERALLY ON THE ONE STREET OVER FROM MANOLO.
UM, SO WOULD I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS ITEM? THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS NOT FOR DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, SO IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THIS ITEM ADDRESSES A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING CODE.
AND SO BECAUSE IT GENERALLY, UM, IT WOULD GENERALLY BENEFIT THE POPULATION, IT'S AN EXCEPTION TO THE FACT THAT YOU MAY LIVE CLOSE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING CODE IS NOT CONSIDERED SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO RECUSE YOURSELF FROM.
ALSO, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
COMMISSIONER ES QUESTION, WHERE WOULD THIS BE? WHERE WOULD, UH, THIS UNITS BE LOCATED AT? SO, SO THESE WOULD BE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE MARKET.
UM, YOU MAY RECALL, AND I, I WISH I HAD A VISUAL HERE TO SHARE WITH YOU, BUT, UM, BEHIND THE MARKET, THERE'S A WIDE OPEN PARKING AREA THAT'S LARGELY UNUSED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
UM, SO THE APARTMENTS WOULD BE BEHIND THAT AREA.
AREN'T THERE APARTMENTS THERE ALREADY? UM, FOR THAT EXTENT, THAT WAY OUT, THE, THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY BEHIND THE MARKET, UM, I BELIEVE THOSE AT ONE TIME WERE APARTMENTS AND HAVE SINCE BEEN CONVERTED TO CONDOS.
UM, AND HOW BIG ARE THESE UNITS GONNA BE? ARE THEY GONNA BE ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, OR WHAT? YEAH, SO THEY'LL
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RANGE FROM STUDIOS TO ONE BEDROOMS TO TWO BEDROOMS. ARE THEY GONNA BE LOW INCOME REQUIREMENTS OR REGULAR? NO.I WANT, I, I WANNA REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
SORRY, THIS IS JUST ABOUT A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GIVING ANY PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT TO DEVELOPERS HERE.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHETHER A ZONING CODE AMENDMENT CAN MOVE FORWARD OR NOT.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ ONE, ONE, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
I JUST WANTED A CLARIFYING QUESTION.
IF, UM, THIS PROJECT WOULD COME BACK BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN AT THAT TIME WE WOULD RECUSE OURSELVES, CORRECT? YES.
IF IT IS, IF A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT COMES BEFORE YOU AND YOU LIVE WITHIN THE RADIUS, THEN YES, YOU WOULD RECUSE YOURSELF AT THAT TIME.
BECAUSE THIS, THIS DISCUSSION FOCUSES ON THE MXD ONE AND MX C ONE ZONES, WHEREVER THEY ARE IN NATIONAL CITY, IT IS NOT SITE SPECIFIC.
SO I THINK THAT, UH, ALSO SUPPORTS WHAT COUNCIL HAS SAID.
YOUR, YOUR CODE ALLOWS AN APPLICANT TO SEEK, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING CODE AS A REQUEST.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT THAT THROUGH, OR YOU CAN APPROVE IT AND SAY, LET'S EXPLORE THE IDEA, BUT THAT WILL NOT BE THE END OF THIS PROCESS.
YOU WILL GIVE A RECOMMENDATION TO STAFF AND THEN STAFF WILL BRING BACK FOR CONSIDERATION AN AMENDMENT TO THE CODE AND NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD AFFECT THE ENTIRE ZONE, NOT JUST THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND, AND, UH, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, IF IT IS A, A USE THAT IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT, WE WOULD NEVER SEE THIS.
SO I WOULD LEAVE THAT UP TO STAFF.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IN THE PROCESS THIS IS, IF IT WILL COME BACK.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT, THAT IS, THIS IS JUST WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A POTENTIAL CHANGE TO THE ZONING CODE.
UM, MR. MR METER? YEAH, I CAN ANSWER THAT.
AND THIS IS A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT IN A, IN A MIXED USE ZONE THAT ALLOWS UP TO 48 UNITS PER ACRE.
AND, UH, THE ONE, THE ONE THAT'S, UH, INITIATING THIS, THIS PROCESS.
AND THAT IS AN ALLOWED BY RIGHT, UH, SITUATION.
SO THAT UP TO THAT DENSITY IS ALLOWED WITHOUT ANY DISCRETIONARY REVIEW, IT WOULD JUST GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.
SO, SO IT WOULD PROBABLY NEVER, THE PROJECT SPECIFICALLY WOULD PROBABLY NEVER COME TO THIS BODY UNLESS THERE WAS A VARIANCE, WHICH I JUST DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING, UH, THE WAY IT'S DESCRIBED TO ME NOW.
BUT THIS, AGAIN, TO EMPHASIZE THIS IS IN TWO ZONES IN NATIONAL CITY THAT WOULD APPLY GENERICALLY ANYWHERE IN THOSE ZONES IN NATIONAL CITY.
UH, MR. UH, COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOUR PROJECT, JUST FOR THE ZONING
IS THERE EXAMPLES OF WHAT A 50 FOOT BUILDING IN NATIONAL CITY SO WE CAN ALL KIND OF GET A, AN IDEA WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, SOMETHING AROUND HERE.
BUILDING THE BUILDING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT.
THE BLUE AND YELLOW BUILDING NEXT DOOR.
THE KIMBALL COURTYARDS AT KIMBALL'S.
UH, BEAR IN MIND THIS, THERE'S NO, UH, WE HAVE A BUILDING ENVELOPE THAT'S 50 FEET HIGH AND NOTHING IS CHANGING.
IT'S JUST THE AMOUNT OF, OF LAYERS INSIDE.
THE NUMBER OF FLOORS INSIDE THAT.
SO THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGE TO BULK OR SCALE OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OTHER THAN MORE WINDOWS LOOKING AT ONE, ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WELL, ONE OTHER POINT, UH, OR QUESTION MORE OR LESS IS ON THE, UH, THE SPECIFIC, UM, MXD AND CAN YOU REPHRASE THOSE AGAIN? WHAT, WHAT A MULTI-USE WHAT THEY, BOTH THOSE TWO ACRONYMS ON THE, SORRY.
YEAH, THERE'S THE, THE MINOR MIXED USE CORRIDOR, WHICH IS MX C ONE, AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH ALONG 16TH STREET, ALONG 18TH STREET AND THE NORTH PART OF HIGHLAND AVENUE.
AND THEN, UH, THERE'S THE MXD ONE, WHICH IS MAJOR MIXED USE DISTRICT AND, SORRY, MINOR MIXED USE DISTRICT.
SO SHE GETS PAID THE BIG DOLLARS
JUST PAINTS A BETTER PICTURE FOR ME.
WE, WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE HAD A MAP OF THE WHOLE CITY AND SHOWN YOU A LITTLE BIT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF COLORS ON THAT MAP.
YEAH, A BIG PDF DF FILE THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CITY.
WE'RE, WE'RE ANTICIPATING IT BEING A FAIRLY MINOR CHANGE, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST INITIATION, SO WE ARE DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO MOVE AHEAD.
WE COME BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE
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AND NOBODY'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE WE CAN DISCUSS AND GET INTO THE WEEDS.SO TO REITERATE, UH, MARTIN, THE, THE HEIGHT IS ALREADY GONNA BE SET BY THE ZONING, THE AMOUNT OF UNITS AND, AND OR THE YEAH, IT'S ALREADY SET BY THE, THE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS.
SO ALL WE'RE WE'RE JUST SAYING IS HOW MANY LAYERS WE PUT IN THAT CAKE, CORRECT.
SO THE DENSITY WOULD STILL BE THE SAME, THE FLOOR AREA WOULD BE THE SAME.
IT'S JUST A, BASICALLY A MATTER OF HOW MANY FLOORS.
OH, UH, COMMISSIONER ARMA, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR STAFF, BUT UM, THE MATH HERE, HOW HIGH WOULD EACH LEVEL BE? I THINK I WAS DOING MAYBE, WHAT IS IT, 12 AND A HALF FEET? IF WE GO TO FOUR STORIES? DEPENDS.
UH, STORY HEIGHTS CAN BE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL USE OR RESIDENTIAL.
SO AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN 50 FEET, THE STORIES COULD BE DIFFERENT HEIGHTS.
AND JUST SO I CAN UNDERSTAND IT, IF THIS WERE TO, UH, GET AMENDED, UH, IT WOULD JUST INCREASE DENSITY, BUT PARKING WOULD JUST BE THE SAME.
THERE'S NO INCREASE TO DENSITY AND THERE'S NO CHANGES TO PARKING.
IT'S JUST THE NUMBER OF STORIES PERMITTED WITHIN THOSE 50 FEET.
THERE, THERE WOULD BE NO ADDITIONAL UNITS PERMITTED ABOVE WHAT'S CURRENTLY PERMITTED, BUT THIS WILL ALLOW DESIGN, UH, DESIGNERS AND DEVELOPERS TO, TO, UH, YEAH, TO MAXIMIZE THE, THE SPACE BASICALLY.
SO IT WOULDN'T ALLOW, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING TO DO WITH PARKING OR DENSITY.
IT'S SOLELY THE, JUST THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.
SORRY, I DON'T THINK THIS IS FOR YOU.
UM, I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION.
SO IF WE WERE, IS THIS ONLY FOR THE MDX TWO, IF WE WANTED TO ALSO AMEND MDX ONE, COULD WE COMBINE THOSE SO THAT IT DIDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE US AT SOME OTHER TIME? SO THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THE CHANGE TO THE MXC ONE ZONE, AND THEN STAFF HAS ADDITIONALLY SUGGESTED THE MXD ONE ZONE.
SO THEY WOULD GO FORWARD TOGETHER IF YOU DECIDED TO INITIATE BOTH.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS AS WELL.
UH, ON THE ZONING ITSELF, THE ZONE CHANGE, UM, OR THE AMENDMENT, I SHOULD SAY.
UM, NATIONAL CITY REALLY CAN'T GROW ANYWHERE EXCEPT UP.
THE ONLY OPPORTUNITIES FOR ANNEXATION ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED.
UM, THIS CITY IS NOT LIKE CHULA VISTA OR OCEANSIDE SANTEE, EL CAJON, WHERE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO ANNEX SIGNIFICANT LAND, UH, AREAS OF UNDEVELOPED LAND.
UM, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS GO EVEN HIGHER BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY NATIONAL CITY CAN GO.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE INSTEAD OF 50 FEET GOING UP TO 75, EVEN A HUNDRED FEET MULTIPLE STORIES.
THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT THAT STAFF IS WORKING ON THIS TO, UM, MAXIMIZE THE ENVELOPE THAT, UM, IS, THAT EXISTS IN, IN THE, THESE TWO ZONES.
UH, SO WITH THAT, HAVING SAID THAT, UM, THANK YOU SIR.
IS THERE A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION THAT WOULD LIKE TO BRING A MOTION TO APPROVE THE INITIATION OF AMENDING TITLE 18 OF THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL CODE TABLE 18.2 4.040 A RELATED TO THE HEIGHT AND NUMBER OF STORIES IN THE MXC DASH ONE ZONE AND THE MXD DASH ONE ZONE, I MOVE TO APPROVE.
OKAY, YOU GUYS ARE TOO FAST FOR ME.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, UH, CA, UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ TO APPROVE THE INITIATION AMENDING TITLE 18 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION THIS EVENING.
[STAFF REPORTS]
OKAY.UH, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO STAFF REPORTS, UH, LEGAL COUNSEL.
I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE, UM, FOR A TEMPORARY PERIOD IF THAT.
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UM, I'VE HEARD THAT ASHLYN HAD HER BABY AND THAT EVERYTHING'S GOING WELL.SO I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH YOU ALL, AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
UH, ACTING DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF CHANGES SINCE THE LAST TIME, AS YOU KNOW, UH, DIRECTOR AGUIRRE'S HAS MOVED ON TO ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, AND I'VE TAKEN OVER THE, OF THE ACTING DIRECTOR FOR NOW.
SO ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CAN OF COURSE COME STRAIGHT THROUGH MY OFFICE.
UH, AS YOU ALSO, YOU'VE NOTICE A CHANGE ON THE DIOCESE, ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS DID RESIGN.
AND, UH, SO WE'LL BE, THE COUNCIL WILL BE APPOINTING A NEW COMMISSIONER SHORTLY, UH, AS A BIT OF PUBLIC INFORMATION.
UH, WE'VE HAD A FEW QUESTIONS ON THE UNION TOWER PROJECT, WHICH IS, UH, OVER AT THE PARADISE, OR EXCUSE ME, NATIONAL CITY PARK APARTMENTS.
IT'S, UH, A NEW SEGMENT OF THAT BUILDING, UH, THAT'S COMING UP WITH, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, IT'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE.
AND THERE IS AN INTEREST LIST IF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED AT WAKELAND HOUSING, WHICH IS, WHICH YOU CAN FIND ONLINE.
IT'S ALSO LINKED ON OUR CITY WEBSITE FOR AN INTEREST LIST FOR THOSE LOOKING FOR, UH, TO GET ONE OF THE APARTMENTS THERE.
AND THEN LASTLY, UH, WE DO HAVE A REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING ON AUGUST 4TH.
WE ARE, I'M SORRY, IS IT THE FOURTH OR THE FIFTH? THE FOURTH.
AND, UH, WE WE'RE NOT SURE WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN AN ITEM YET, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT SHORTLY.
BUT THE FOLLOWING MEETING, TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT IS IN ANTICIPATED TO BE A PRETTY HEAVY MEETING, PROBABLY UP TO FIVE ITEMS. UH, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE USD CLEAN FUELS PROJECT, WHICH IS WE'RE HOPING WILL BE READY AT THAT POINT.
SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND IN THE COMING WEEK OR SO, IF YOU COULD LET THE SECRETARY KNOW YOUR, UH, ATTENDANCE, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO ATTEND THE NEXT MEETING.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE A QUORUM.
'CAUSE THAT IS A, AS I SAID, A LARGE, A LARGE AGENDA.
OTHER THAN THAT, THAT DOES CONCLUDE MY REPORT.
I'LL BE SO, THANK YOU, MR. READER.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, THE ONE PROJECT, UM, THE, UH, FUEL TRANSFER STATION, UM, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE CONTROVERSIAL NATURE OF THIS PROJECT, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO BRING THAT AS A SINGLE ITEM AT ONE PUBLIC HEARING AT ONE MEETING RATHER THAN HAVING OTHER ITEMS AS WELL? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S GONNA, WE HAVE TO BALANCE THE AGENDA.
WE HAVE AN ALCOHOL, UM, WE HAVE AN ALCOHOL PROJECT RELATED TO TARGET.
THEY'VE REQUESTED THAT DAY SPECIFICALLY, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN READY TO GO TONIGHT OR THE NEXT TIME, BUT, UH, THEY HAD TO BE IN TOWN.
WE HAVE A REZONE THAT REQUIRES A 20 DAY PUBLIC NOTICE.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN DELAYED FOR SOME TIME.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT ON AS WELL.
BUT I KNOW THAT THE USD CLEAN FUELS FOLKS WANT TO GET ON THE AGENDA AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
UM, I WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT BY ITSELF, AND THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT JUST THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, SO WE, WE WILL DO WHAT WE CAN WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT WE CAN, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT.
OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, UM, VICE CHAIR CASTLE, ANYTHING FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? YES, I ACTUALLY HAVE MUCH TO SAY TODAY.
UM, I WANTED TO ASK, UM, SINCE THIS WAS HERE, UM, IT POSSIBLY MAYBE MR. READER, IF YOU COULD, UM, ELABORATE ON WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR NOTIF NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC OF A HEARING, UM, IN, RIGHT.
SO IF, IF AN APPLICANT HAS COME AND THEY HAVE, UM, ASKED, UM, FOR, I DON'T KNOW, A CUP FOR SOMETHING, HOW, HOW FAR IN ADVANCE ARE THOSE MAILED OUT? HOW MANY DAYS ARE, IS IT 20 DAYS THAT'S REQUIRED PRIOR TO THE MEETING? IT DEPENDS ON THE PROJECT.
MOST OF YOUR DISCRETIONARY PERMITS THAT YOU'LL SEE REQUIRE A 10 DAY PUBLIC NOTICE, AND THAT GOES IN THE NEWSPAPER.
AND WE ALSO ARE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY BY MAIL ANYONE WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE PROJECT SITE.
IF IT'S A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, IT'S A HUNDRED FEET.
IF IT'S A ALCOHOL ONE, IT'S 660 FEET.
BUT ALL OF THOSE REQUIRE A 10 DAY NOTICE.
IF IT IS A REZONE, THEN THAT REQUIRES 20 DAYS.
SO THAT MAY ALSO BE AN AMENDMENT TO, I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT A REZONE FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, NEEDS A 20 DAY PUBLIC NOTICE.
SO LIKE FOR AN ALCOHOL PERMIT OR WHATNOT, FOR 660 FEET AROUND THERE, IT'S GONNA BE A 10 DAY NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION TO THE FOLLOW UP TO THAT IS IF THE MEETING IS CANCELED, UM, ARE WE REQUIRED TO GIVE NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OR IS THAT ONLY POSTED ON THE WEBSITE? UH, WELL, WE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.
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YEAH, THAT'S ALREADY, AND WE POSTED ON OUR BULLETIN BOARDS OUTSIDE CITY HALL.SO, SO A MEETINGS, IF AN APPLICANT IS, OR IF A, A CONSTITUENT IS, IS NOTIFIED, A RESIDENT IS NOTIFIED THAT THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEY SHOW UP FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN I SEE.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF, IF SOMETHING GETS PULLED OFF THE AGENDA, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT GETS PULLED OFF THE AGENDA AFTER IT'S ALREADY BEEN YES.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY UNFORTUNATE.
AND DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION, WE WILL USUALLY, FOR EXAMPLE, USD CLEAN FUELS, THAT'S GONNA GET RENO BECAUSE IT WAS PULLED OFF THE AGENDA TO A TIME, UH, UNCERTAIN.
IN THE FUTURE, IF, UM, IF AN ITEM IS OPEN, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN, IT'S CONTINUED, YOU CAN CONTINUE IT TO A DATE SPECIFIC OR A TIME CERTAIN, AND THAT CASE, THAT DATE AND TIME IS IN THE MINUTES.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO SEND OUT ANOTHER NOTICE.
SOMETIMES WE WILL AS A COURTESY.
BUT, UH, AS FAR AS JUST A REGULAR AGENDA, IF A MEETING IS CANCELED HOURS, IS THERE A SPECIFIC CODE IN THE NATIONAL CITY, UM, WHERE, WHERE THIS IS, IS NOTICED, IS THERE A SPECIFIC CODE IN OUR, NO, IT'S, IT'S THE STATE RULES, EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING TO DO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, BROWN ACT AND THE, UH, I'M SORRY, BUT PLANNING AND LAND USE LAW, YES.
AND THEN, UM, I ALSO WANTED TO ASK, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS ALLOWED OR NOT, BUT I DID WANT TO SEE IF, UM, THERE WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD BRING IT BACK, I DON'T KNOW, AS AN ITEM POSSIBLY.
UM, AND MAYBE LAWS LOOKED OVER OR WHATNOT IF WHEN PEOPLE ARE MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, OR BRINGING SOMETHING BEFORE US, IF, UM, POSSIBLY PART OF THE QUESTION COULD BE RESIDENT OR NON-RESIDENT.
SO THAT WAY IT GIVES US A BETTER, UM, UH, KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS, AND WE'RE ABLE TO DECIPHER BETWEEN WHAT'S POSSIBLY BEING LOBBIED OR SOMETHING THAT IS FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS AND GEN AND, AND CONCERN ON, UH, I'LL ADD, I JUST A, I JUST ASKED THE CLERK, UM, ON YOUR SPEAKER SLIPS, THERE IS INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE CAN FILL OUT.
IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT OFTENTIMES PEOPLE WILL PUT ON THEIR SPEAKER SLIP, THEIR ADDRESS AND WHETHER THEY ARE A RESIDENT OR A NON-RESIDENT.
BUT THAT'S ALL VOLUNTARY INFORMATION.
SO THERE'S, IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT I DO KNOW THAT STAFF OFTENTIMES DOES HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UM, WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A MORE INTIMATE CONVERSATION WITH PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY SHOW UP AND PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK, WHICH IS THE BEST WAY TO GET INFORMATION FROM RESIDENTS.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE NOTIFIED OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS FOR ANY OF THESE.
LIKE A, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN ITEMS COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT'S, I'M, I'M JUST NOTIFIED OF IT, THE THURSDAY BEFORE THE, THE MONDAY.
SO IF THERE WERE ANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS OR INVOLVEMENT OR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANTS WERE PUTTING OUT THIS INFORMATION, IS THERE A CALENDAR OR SOMEWHERE ON THE WEBSITE WHERE PEOPLE COULD GO TO AND SEE THE PROPOSED, UH, CCPS OR, OR, UM, PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON IN NATIONAL CITY AND SHOW UP TO THOSE EVENTS? WELL, LEMME SEE.
SO AS FAR AS THE, WE WE'RE TRYING, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH, WITH AT LEAST LARGER PROJECTS, BUT, UH, IS TO HAVE A, WE DO HAVE A WEBPAGE ON CURRENT PROJECTS ON THE PLANNING WEBPAGE, ON THE CITY WEBPAGE, WHICH WILL HAVE A LOT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE USD CLEAN FUELS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH HAS AN EIR AND A LOT OF OTHER INFORMATION, UH, THAT PEOPLE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, READ AHEAD OF TIME, WE CERTAINLY HAVE THOSE, WE'RE ENDEAVORING TO HAVE A LIST OF PROJECTS ON THERE.
IT'S SORT OF A, IT'S DONE AS SORT OF A, A PUBLIC SERVICE AS FAR AS THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT'S THE APPLICANT HOLDS THAT, AND THEY DO LET THE CITY KNOW.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SHOW UP TO THOSE MEETINGS.
WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOW UP TO THOSE MEETINGS.
'CAUSE THERE WOULD BE, YOU'D BE LOOKING, YOU'D HAVE A POTENTIAL BROWN ACT ISSUE AND YOU WOULD ALSO BE HEARING ABOUT THE PROJECT BEFORE IT, IT'S SET FOR HEARING AND COMES BEFORE YOU.
UM, BUT THAT'S REALLY JUST TO HEAR OUT CONCERNS FROM THE, FROM NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESIDENTS TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY MAJOR ISSUES.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE BIG FIGHTS AT A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'D RATHER HAVE A, A, A REASONABLE, UH, DISCOURSE OUTSIDE OF THAT.
UM, THERE ARE ALSO DISTRICT MEETINGS, AND NOW WE HAVE FOUR COUNCIL DISTRICTS.
EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE THEIR OWN MEETINGS.
I KNOW THAT DISTRICT ONE HAS HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS THAT HAVE HAD THE USD CLEAN FUELS PROJECT ON IT.
SO THAT'S AT THE, AT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AT THE, UH, I'M SORRY IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.
THAT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO DETERMINE WHAT'S ON THOSE AGENDAS.
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THOSE ARE GENERALLY PUBLISHED A WEEK AHEAD, BUT THERE'S VERY LITTLE, UM, YOU KNOW, RULES AND REGULATIONS INVOLVING THAT.UM, COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY WELCOME BACK TO MYSELF, UM,
AND, UM, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES AND, UM, TRYING TO COME UP TO SPEED WITH AT EVERYTHING.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, I ENJOY, UH, THESE DISCUSSIONS AND, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ARMA.
UH, I HAVE A, UM, WANTED TO GO BACK TO, UH, USDI, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE.
I KNOW WHEN WE HAVE, WHEN CONSTITUENT REQUESTS A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH THE STAFF, IS THAT POSSIBLE? I'M ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO PUT INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE TO HELP FOLKS OUT.
UM, WITH A PROJECT THAT'S CHANGING AS FAST AS THIS AND HAS SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW THAT DON'T NECESSARILY AFFECT WHAT'S GONNA BE COMING IN FRONT OF YOU.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE THE TIME FOR THAT, BUT I CERTAINLY HAVE THE TIME.
IF A CONSTITUENT WAS JUST TO CALL ME, UH, REACH OUT TO ME VIA EMAIL, I'D BE HAPPY TO, TO RESPOND.
I, I WILL BE PUTTING SOMETHING OUT TO THE EFFECT OF WHAT MR. GOTCHU ASKED FOR.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHAT I DO.
I DO IT FOR ONE, I GOTTA DO IT FOR EVERY SINGLE PROJECT.
AND UNDERSTAND, YOU ONLY HAVE LIMITED BANDWIDTH.
UH, ALSO THE SAME CONSTITUENT MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE IDLING TRUCKS.
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY CAN, UH, REPORT ON THE CONNECT APP OR ABSOLUTELY.
OR IS THAT A PHONE CALL? ABSOLUTELY.
WELL, EITHER WAY WE CAN DO C CLICK FIX AND THAT WAS A RATHER UNFORTUNATE SCENARIO.
AND THAT WOULD BE ONE, IF IT HAPPENS OVERNIGHT, UM, FOLKS CAN CALL THE NON-EMERGENCY POLICE DEPARTMENT LINE AND THEY'LL RESPOND.
'CAUSE IT IS A STATE LAW AS WELL AS A LOCAL LAW AS WELL.
BUT IF IT'S DURING THE DAY, THEY CAN CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT OR THEY CAN CALL ME AND WE CAN SEND SOMEONE OUT TO, TO TAKE A LOOK.
UM, I DID WANNA, UM, ALSO, UH, JUST PUT A QUICK COMMUNITY SHOUT OUT TO, UH, UM, RIGHT BEFORE THE 4TH OF JULY, THERE WAS A, A COMMUNITY CLEANUP AND PAINTING AT KIMBALL PARK.
SO THOSE THAT SHOWED UP AND SUPPORTED, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS REALLY NICE, UH, TOGETHERNESS.
SO HOPEFULLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN KEEP OUR COMMUNITY CLEAN.
AND, UH, MY LAST THING IS I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO OUR MOST AWESOME, AWESOME IS IT GUY THAT WE HAVE HERE.
IT'LL BE THE LAST TIME HE'S WITH US.
SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, MAKING US LOOK GREAT ON VIDEO
UH, COMMISSIONER QUINONE, NOTHING AT THIS TIME.
UH, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? I SAID NOTHING AT THIS TIME.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, MANY OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT, UH, NOTICING THOSE ARE ACTUALLY IN A DOCUMENT CALLED PLANNING AND LAND USE LAW THAT IS PUT OUT BY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA THAT ALL MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES WITHIN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAVE TO FOLLOW.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN KINDS OF NOTICING FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS, IT IS UNIFORM THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
THIS DOCUMENT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY GOOGLE IT AND, UH, GO TO THE STATE WEBSITE, UM, AND LOOK AT PLANNING AND LAND USE LAW.
UM, WHEN I WAS A PLANNER FOR ANOTHER CITY, UM, WE RELIED ON IT A LOT.
I'M SURE YOU DO TOO HERE AS WELL.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU TO KNOW, UH, THAT THAT DOCUMENT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE.
IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION, IT'S STATE LAW, ACTUALLY, SO PLANNING AND LAND USE LAW.
OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE, UH, NOTHING.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS HEREBY ADJOURNED UNTIL THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF AUGUST 4TH, 2025 AT 6:00 PM THE TIME IS 8:10 PM THANK YOU.