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[1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL ]
GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.UH, WE'RE GONNA BRING THIS REGULAR CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, MAY 14TH.
UH, WE'RE GONNA OPEN OUR MEETING.
COMMISSIONER K CLAVE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD IT FOR THE SALUTE TO THE FLAG? WE DID NOT.
I, UNITED STATES DID NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO NO PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS, UH, NO MINUTES TO APPROVE.
[5. REPORTS FOR FILE]
DO HAVE PERSONAL PERSONNEL, SORRY, REPORT TO FILE.UH, DO YOU ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE PERSONNEL REPORT THAT WE HAVE? IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY LIGHT.
ANYTHING WEIRD? I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
EVERYTHING'S PRETTY, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
SHOW SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION TO FILE THE, THE PERSONNEL REPORT.
THERE IS NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
[7. NEW BUSINESS]
SEVEN IS NEW BUSINESS, UM, OF A SERIES OF REVISIONS OF CLASSIFICATIONS.AND THEN, UH, SOME NEW CLASSIFICATIONS, ITEM MB, FOLLOWED BY A TITLE CHANGE AND THEN AN ANNUAL REPORT TO LOOK AT.
I, I DO WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD REALLY QUICK, UH, BY SAYING THAT, UH, I'M IN OPPOSITION TO, TO EVERYTHING ON THE AGENDA, UM, THAT IS CLASSIFICATION RELATED, UM, WITH THE SAME, UH, SORT OF SPECIFIC OPPOSITION, UH, TO DOING THE WORK LAST YEAR, UH, HUMAN RESOURCES TOOK THE JOB FROM US, SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT WE WILL TAKE OVER THE DUTIES OF, UM, APPROVING NEW CLASSIFICATIONS AND REVISIONS.
UM, AND NOW THEY'RE ON THE AGENDA.
AND, AND I'LL, AND I'LL, I'LL STATE IT AGAIN THAT THE REASON I DON'T WANNA DO THIS WORK IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT LEGITIMATE WORK.
UH, THE REVISION STUFF, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, STUFF THAT'S LIKE STATE DRIVEN OR THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT ISN'T, UH, DEPARTMENT HEAD COMING IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO TWEAK THIS OR WORK THIS OVER, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, YOU KNOW, FOR WHATEVER REASON.
RIGHT? LIKE, I, I'M NOT THAT MUCH OPPOSED TO REVISIONS.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A TITLE CHANGE, YOU HAVE PD WANTING TO COME IN AND, AND, UH, CREATE A NEW POSITION AGAIN, THAT, THAT WE HAVE NO ROLE OR A PART OF UNDERSTANDING WHETHER OR NOT IT ACTUALLY FITS WITHIN A BUDGET, UH, OR MAKES SENSE WITHIN A, A, A HIERARCHY OF POWER WITHIN A DEPARTMENT.
LIKE, IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST A RUBBER STAMP, MAN.
YOU COME IN, HEY, HERE'S THIS NEW THING AND THIS IS WHY WE WANT IT, AND IT'S IN THE BUDGET AND IT'S BEEN APPROVED.
SO HERE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE, WE HAVE THE MOMENTS THAT WE'RE SITTING HERE TOGETHER, UH, TO MAKE A DECISION ON IT.
SO I'M JUST SAYING I'M A FORMALLY IN OPPOSITION TO DOING THAT SPECIFIC WORK.
AND SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS AND CERTAINLY FROM THAT STUFF TALKING, THE, UH, UH, WHAT IS IT? THE RECREATION PROGRAM COORDINATOR, SENIOR CRIME INTELLIGENCE ANALYST, AND THE CHANGING OF THE TITLE, UH, TO LIBRARY SERVICES DIRECTOR.
I'LL PROBABLY ABSTAIN FROM, FROM ANY VOTE ON THAT.
IT IS LIKE, LIKE, EITHER, EITHER NOTHING CHANGES AND YOU APPROVE IT, OR A LOT CHANGES.
AND IT'S REAL SUBTLE AND DON'T HEAR THE, TELL US MUCH ABOUT IT AND WE'LL STILL PROVE IT.
THERE'S NO THOUGHT PUT INTO IT.
UM, LET ME MAKE A RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU STATED.
UM, AT THIS TIME, IT IS STILL UNDER THE CIVIL SERVICES PURVIEW TO APPROVE THESE BECAUSE THE CIVIL SERVICE RULES HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED, AND IT HAS NOT GONE
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TO THE UNIONS TO TAKE THAT ABILITY AWAY FROM YOU.SO THAT IS THE REASON WHY IT IS, UH, IN YOUR PRESENCE TO MAKE THESE APPROVALS.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
SO UNTIL, UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE SHOWN IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO LET'S GET ROCKING, MAN.
I WAS GONNA SAY, UH, THE FUTURE WOULD BE NICE.
IT WOULD BE MAYBE, UH, THE ESTIMATE OF SALARY AND MAYBE A STRUCTURAL BACKGROUND TO SEE WHERE THAT PERSON'S POSITION'S IN, IN THE DEPARTMENT.
ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE COMMISSION'S, UM, PART YEAH.
UM, IT IS TO, TO APPROVE THESE, THE SALARIES THAT THEY ARE UNDER IS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
BUT IT HELPS TO MAKE A DECISION, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
LIKE, I MEAN, I LOOK AT, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I LOOK AT FIRE ENGINEER.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, WE'RE WE'RE NOT CHANGING SALARY THOUGH.
ALL WE, OH, I, ALL WE NEED FOR THESE IS, THEY'RE ALREADY STATED POSITIONS, UM, WITH THAT HAVE SALARIES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, AND THAT IS WHY A BATTALION CHIEF IS HERE.
UH, TO EXPLAIN THE CHANGES THAT WERE DONE TO THESE JOB DESCRIPTIONS.
BUT THERE'S NO CHANGE IN SALARIES.
NO, BUT I MEAN, IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WE'RE IN THE, LIKE IN A DIAGRAM CHART WHERE THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS, LIKE A FIRE ENGINEER IS VERSUS LIKE A CAPTAIN OR, YOU KNOW, OR, OR A PARAMEDIC.
BUT I MEAN, IT, IT, THERE SHOULD BE LIKE, LIKE FOR THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN ON HAND LIKE TO, TO GUIDE US A LITTLE BETTER AND THE BEFORE THE, UH, THE SALARIES WERE PUT ON HER, UH, PREVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF THE REQUEST WAS NICE.
BUT THESE, THESE ARE REALLY, THERE'S NOTHING CHANGING.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
THERE'S NOTHING, NOTHING'S CHANGING TO ANY OF THESE.
AND EVEN THE CREATION OF THE NEW JOB DESCRIPTIONS, THERE'S NO SALARY BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
WE HAVE 'EM JUST FOR FUTURE, FOR MOVEMENT FOR EMPLOYEES.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THEY'RE BEING CREATED AT THIS POINT.
THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S STILL JUST NOT A LEGITIMATE REASON TO DO IT EITHER.
LIKE, JUST CREATE A POSITION, SOMEBODY WILL FILL IT AT SOME POINT.
LIKE, I, I, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
WELL, LIKE, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE WANTS IT TO EXIST BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CITY'S GOING AND WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE ABILITIES.
BUT THAT DIRECTIVE'S COMING FROM WHERE IT IS JUST WHAT THE DEPARTMENTS ARE REQUESTING.
SO ONCE, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO DO IT.
AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE, OF THE COMMISSION.
LIKE, BUT YOU'RE ASKING US TO, TO AGAIN RIGHT.
TO, TO JUST DO IT BECAUSE THEY WANT THAT FLEXIBILITY.
LIKE, SO I OBJECT TO THAT STERN.
UM, SO I GUESS ONE OF THE RATIONALE FOR YOU GUYS DOING IT WOULD BE WE HAD PEOPLE OPPOSED TO THESE CHANGES, THEY COULD COME HERE AND, AND THEY COULD BE THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, UH, ALL FIRE EMPLOYEES WERE SHOWN THESE JOB CLASSIFICATIONS, THE UNION, I SAID THAT WITH THE UNION AND WHATEVER WITH THEM.
UM, AND SO THAT WOULD, THEY'RE NOT HERE.
SO
WHILE THERE'S A TON OF CHANGES THAT IT ISN'T VERY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES.
UM, THE FIREFIGHTER CLASSIFICATION, BASICALLY, YOU CAN SEE HOW OLD THAT, UH, THOUSAND FOUR, THAT LANGUAGE WAS EVEN BEFORE THAT.
SO, UH, A LOT OF IT JUST WAS KIND OF POORLY WORDED AND, UH, DIDN'T, I WOULDN'T SAY DIDN'T APPLY, BUT THE NUANCES WEREN'T REALLY CAPTURED.
SO, UM, JUST, UH, THE BULLET POINTS THERE UNDER TYPICAL DUTIES ARE JUST MORE, UM, RELEVANT TYPICAL DUTIES TO WHAT A FIREFIGHTER WOULD DO.
SO THAT WAY, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS CLASSIFICATION, BECAUSE THIS IS THE CLASSIFICATION THAT THE CANDIDATES THAT DON'T WORK FOR NATIONAL CITY TENNESSEE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE IT BE A LITTLE MORE RELEVANT SO PEOPLE CAN SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NO WEIRD SPEAK IT GONNA BE VERY CLEAN WITH THE LANGUAGE.
LIKE RAISE FLYING LADDERS, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, SAME THING THERE WITH THE DUTIES OF A PARAMEDIC.
ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS WRITTEN FOR LIKE A LAY PERSON THAT YOU KNOW, HEY, I WANT TO, MAYBE I WANNA BE A PARAMEDIC.
WHAT DO THEY DO? UM, THERE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW, BULLET POINTS THERE.
UM, THE ONLY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE WOULD BE UNDER LICENSE AND CERTIFICATIONS.
AND THE SUBSTANCE, THAT PART IS TO CLEAN UP ALL THAT DAMAGE.
SO THE EMT LEVEL ONE, A CERTIFICATION STATE BAR, THE STRIKE THROUGH ALL THAT, THAT DOESN'T REALLY EXIST ANYMORE.
AND SO NOW IT IS A, UM, IT, IT IS JUST TITLED AN EMT CERTIFICATION THROUGH COUNTY EMS. UH, SO IT'S JUST MORE, UH,
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CLEARLY WRITTEN.AND THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH THE WAY THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE WAS WRITTEN IS IT EXCLUDED PEOPLE FROM OUT OF OUR, THEORETICALLY HR WAS ABLE TO USE LIKE AN EQUIVALENCY TYPE SCENARIO, BUT IT WOULD EXCLUDE PEOPLE OUT OF SAN DIEGO
SO NOW, LIKE A PERSON FROM OUT OF STATE COULD APPLY BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE THE CERTIFICATION.
THEY JUST NEED TO GET THE SAN DIEGO CERTIFICATION PRIOR TO WORKING.
YOU HAVE TO BE UNDER THE COUNTY EMS TO PRACTICE EMS MEDICINE.
SO THAT'S WHY IT SAYS BY THE TIME OF FIRE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE, SO, UM, THE EMT IS A NATIONAL REGISTRY CLASS CALLED NATIONAL REGISTRY EMT, SIMILAR TO NURSING AND DOCTOR.
BUT ONCE YOU WANT TO PRACTICE, LIKE YOU CAN HAVE YOUR EMT CARD, BUT IF YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY GET A JOB AS AN EMT, YOU HAVE TO GET LICENSED BY THAT COUNTY TO OPERATE IN THAT COUNTY.
SO THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT IS WRITTEN SO THAT THEY COULD APPLY WITH THE NATIONAL SERVE.
KNOWING THAT BEFORE THEY'RE DAY ONE ON THE FIRE ENGINE, THEY HAVE TO BE LICENSED IN THE COUNTY DAY OPERATING.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FIREFIGHTER RANK? AND AS FAR AS, UH, SORRY TO BACK UP ON YOUR, AS FAR AS BRAIN STRUCTURE.
SO YOU CAN SEE FIREFIGHTERS AN ENTRY LEVEL POSITION.
ENGINEER ISN'T REALLY AHEAD OF THE FIREFIGHTER, BUT IT'S KIND OF A, IT IS A PROMOTION.
THEY'RE THE OPERATOR AND THE DRIVER OF THE FIRE APPARATUS.
EITHER THE LADDER TRUCK OR THE FIRE ENGINE.
AND THEN IN CHARGE OF THOSE ROLES, UHHUH, UH, IS THE FIRE CAPTAIN.
UH, SO TO BE A FIRE CAPTAIN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO BE A FIREFIGHTER FOR A FIRE ENGINEER.
THE, THE NORMAL TRACK FOR 99% OF PEOPLE IS GO FIREFIGHTER ENGINEER CATHERINE
UM, SO FOR FIRE ENGINEER, SAME THING.
ONE, WE, ON EACH ONE, UH, I'M OPEN TO TO HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO IT.
I THINK EACH ONE SINCE YOU DISCUSSED, UM, ARE WE JUST GOING TO DO ALL OF THE, JUST THE RE THE, THE CHANGING OF THE CONSULTATIONS BECAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, WELL, WHY DON'T WE JUST GO THROUGH ALL THE FIRE.
AND I DID HAVE ONE RECOMMENDED CHANGE FROM JEREMY FROM THE UNION.
UH, IT'S JUST TO, UH, I'LL BRING ONCE TO GET BRIAN, WE'LL HAVE TO BRING IT BACK.
WELL, I GUESS THEY CAN DECIDE
FOR WHICH POSITION IS IT? I, I, I'LL GET TO IT.
UM, THE, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY.
DID THEY DECIDE? HOW DOES THAT WORK? WELL, I HAVE TO SEE WHAT IT IS EXACTLY.
THE, THE TYPICAL DUTIES WAS OUTDATED.
UM, THOSE ARE JUST, UH, UPDATED.
THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS, UH, THE GRADUATION FROM HIGH SCHOOL OR GED EQUIVALENT IS STRUCK BECAUSE THAT IS A JOB REQUIREMENT TO BE A FIREFIGHTER IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR A FIRE ENGINEER.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE A FIREFIGHTER.
SO IT'S JUST, YOU DON'T NEED TO KEEP STACK OF, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH, YEAH.
UM, THE CLASS B IS STRUCK BECAUSE THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, SINCE I
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THE FULL CLASS B LICENSE TO DRIVE A CAR TRUCK.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU'RE AN ENGINEER AND, AND YOU DON'T HAVE ONE OF THESE REQUIREMENTS NOW THAT YOU'RE AN ENGINEER? SAY THEY CHANGED THE LICENSE TO C, YOU HAVE TO GO OFF AND DO THAT.
WHO'S YOUR POSITION? RIGHT? UH, WELL, NO, UM, WITH THAT SPECIFIC ONE, UHHUH, YOU HAD THE OPTION WHEN YOU RENEW YOUR LICENSE, YOU COULD KEEP YOUR CLASS B, WHICH MEANS YOU HAD TO DO MORE, YOU HAD TO DO LIKE TWO RIB TESTS, LIKE AIR BRAKES AND TRAILER.
UH, AND IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT, THEN YOU CAN, AT THAT POINT, YOU CAN TAKE A CLASS C LICENSE TEST.
THE FIREFIGHTER REIMBURSEMENT TEST.
SO, UM, NO, IT WASN'T LIKE, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T AFFECT SOMEBODY INTERACTING.
UM, SAME THING WITH THE, UH, EM, UH, EMG PARAMEDIC CERTIFICATIONS.
UM, ALL FIREFIGHTERS ALL THE WAY UP, ALL FIRE PHYSICIANS UP THROUGH BATTALION CHIEF.
YOU'RE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN EITHER THAT EMT, SIR, OR THAT PARAMEDIC SIR.
UM, AND THEN THE NO CHANGE THERE TO THE SERVICE.
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THAT MAKES SENSE.MOST OF YOUR CALLS ARE NOW, UH, HEALTH RELATED.
SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A BIG PART OF OUR BUSINESS.
UH, THE FIRE CAPTAIN, UM, SAME THING.
UNDER TYPICAL DUTIES, JUST TRIED TO BRING THOSE UP TO 2025 STANDARDS.
UM, THE CHANGE UNDER TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE IS TO REFLECT THE SIMILAR LANGUAGE THROUGHOUT ALL THE JOB CLASSIFICATIONS.
USE THAT, UH, THAT BEGINNING SENTENCE THERE, THAT ANY COMBINATION OF AN ATYPICAL WAY IS, UH, AND THAT, THAT CONSISTENT LANGUAGE WITH ALL THE OTHER CLASSIFICATIONS.
THIS ONE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS JUST WORDED DIFFERENTLY, UH, UNDER KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS.
THAT STUFF IS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S JUST ADDITIONAL WORDING TO MAKE IT MORE RELEVANT AND UP TO DATE.
UM, AND THEN UNDER LICENSE AND SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS, UH, THE, THE CHANGES DUE TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE DRIVER'S LICENSE COMPONENT, UH, HAS CHANGED TO REFLECT THE CURRENT, UH, CLASS C REQUIREMENT.
UM, THE MAINTAINING OF THE EMG AND PARAMEDIC, AS WITH ALL THE, THE CLASSIFICATIONS.
AND THEN THE BIG CHANGE IS, SO IF YOU SEE THE STRIKETHROUGH PARTS AS FIRE OFFICER ONE CERTIFICATION, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA CHANGED THAT TO A, UH, THEY CALL IT NOW COMPANY OFFICER CERTIFICATION.
SIMPLY THE SAME THING, BUT THE NAME IS DIFFERENT.
AND THEN CLASSES, THE TRACK IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
SO THIS WORDING REC, UH, REFLECTS WHAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY GET NOW.
UH, AND THEN THE, THE OTHER BOSSES ARE JUST, UH, HIGHLIGHTING THE, WHAT IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR A COMPANY OFFICER.
SO THE COMPANY OFFICERS THE MOST, BUT MOST OF IT CONSIDERED THE MOST IMPORTANT, THE IMPORTANT JOB OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S THE FRONT LINE SUPERVISOR RESPONDED ON EVERY CALL.
THAT'S THE PERSON WHO'S IN CHARGE OF 80 TO 90% OF THE CALLS COULD GO ON.
SO, UH, THESE CLASSES REPRESENT LIKE A CORE COMPETENCY.
UH, THAT'S REQUIRED TO DO THAT.
SO HAZMAT, THEY COULD RUN ON THOSE TYPE FOLLOW AUTO VEHICLE ACCIDENTS THAT'S ON THE AUTO EXTRICATION IN THEIR CONFINED SPACE.
LIKE PEOPLE DROPPING STORM DRAINS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, S TWO NINE IS THE WILDLAND FIRES THAT WE GO ON.
SO THOSE, THOSE JUST REPRESENT SOME BASIC COSTS TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A, THE ABILITY TO, UH, BE IN CHARGE OF THOSE INCIDENTS.
AND THE LAST ONE FOR ME IS THE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF.
SO THAT'S MY, UM, MY POSITION.
SO, UH, JUST FOR YOUR OWN KNOWLEDGE OF THE WAY THE DEPARTMENT WORKS EACH SHIFT, IT COMPRISES OF 13 OF THESE PEOPLE AND ONE BATTALION CHIEF.
SO THERE'S THREE MYSELF AND TWO OTHER, UH, INDIVIDUALS THAT, UH, MANAGE OUR, ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS PERSONNEL.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS OUR PREVENTION.
UM, THEY, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN CLOUD SPECS AND THEY MANAGE THEMSELVES.
SO SAME THING UNDER DEFINITIONS AND EXAMPLES OF TYPICAL DUTIES.
JUST CLEANING THOSE UP FULLY DEPLOYING THE, SO IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE.
UM, MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS JUST MADE THAT WORDING CONSISTENT.
AND THEN CERTIFICATIONS, UH, ESSENTIALLY JUST A LOT OF THE STRIKETHROUGHS, UM, ON THESE WERE ALL, FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY FELT WE NEED TO ORIGINALLY LIKE, RESTATE THE ONES THAT WERE REQUIRED FOR CAPTAIN.
BUT UNDER THE MINIMAL QUALIFICATIONS YOU HAVE TO BE A FIRE CAPTAIN WITH NATIONAL CITY BE TO BE A APPLY FOR BATTALION CHIEF.
SO, UM, DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS NECESSARY TO RESTATE THOSE.
SO THE ICS BOSSES, WHICH IS HOW WE, UH, MANAGE INCIDENTS.
UM, AND THEN THE CLEANED UP THE DRIVER'S LICENSE LANGUAGE.
'CAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT JUST 'CAUSE YOU HAD IT, IT LAP.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CLEAR THAT YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT.
UH, THE ICS COURSES ARE LISTED THERE, UH, JUST IN A KIND OF A CLEANER WAY.
AND THEN THE BIG CHANGE RIGHT THERE IS THE, THOSE CLASSES.
AND THE SAME THING HAPPENED WITH THE CHIEF OFFICER SERVED.
SO IT USED TO BE CALLED A, UM, NOT EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS CALLED.
IT'S CALLED LIKE A BATTALION CHIEF CERTIFICATION, BUT NOW IT'S CALLED A CHIEF OFFICER
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CERTIFICATION.THEY, THEY CHANGED THE NAME, THEY CHANGED ALL THE CLASSES.
UM, THEY REWRITE THE CURRICULUM.
THEY DO THAT ABOUT EVERY 10 YEARS OR SO THROUGHOUT THE DAYS OF THE NEW CURRICULUM.
UM, THIS ONE, HOWEVER, UH, DOES HAVE THAT ASTERISK AREA, WHICH, UH, 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE APPLICANTS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT LIST.
UH, AND IF THEY WORK TO GET PROMOTED, THEY HAVE THAT OLD CERTIFICATION.
SO WANTED TO KEEP THAT LEGACY LANGUAGE IN THERE.
UM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE, THEY'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS.
THOSE, THOSE CERTIFICATIONS ARE STILL VALID MM-HMM
UH, BUT YOU JUST, THE NAMING IS DIFFERENT.
AND SO LIDIO TOTALLY UNDERSTANDS THAT.
BUT IF WE GET A NEW HR DIRECTOR WHO'S VERY LIKE, CUT AND DRY, LIKE, HEY, IT SAYS RIGHT THERE, I HAVE THAT, THAT LANGUAGE IS THERE UNTIL THAT LEGACY, SIR IS LIKE ALL OF OUR MEMBERS THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE MOVED ON, HAVE BEEN PROMOTED.
AND THEN MAYBE I'LL BE BACK AND SAY, HEY, WE CAN STRIKE THAT LEGACY LANGUAGE.
NOW IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT VALID ANYMORE.
UM, AND THE ONLY CHANGE WAS, UH, ON THE CAPTAIN CERT, THERE'S FOUR COMPARABLE.
YOU LOOK ON THE, UH, THE LAST PAGE OF THE CAPTAIN PROSPECT THERE, FOUR COMPARABLE BEHIND THE FIRE SCIENCE.
AND THAT JUST GAVE ME, IT'S MORE OF A, I GUESS, UH, GAVE ME PUT BEHIND THE FIRE SCIENCE DEGREE ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE AND FIRE SCIENCE BOARD COMPARABLE ON THE TIME SHEET.
SO IF YOU LOOK, SEE HOW ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE FIRE CAPTAIN YES.
IT SAYS ASSOCIATE DEGREE AND FIRE SCIENCE AND EXHIBIT FOUR COMPARABLE.
THAT DIDN'T GET TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE BATTALION CHIEF WHEN IT SAYS ASSOCIATE DEGREE AND FIRE SCIENCE FOUR COMPARABLE.
SO, SO WHEN YOU VOTE ON THESE, YOU CAN INDICATE THAT YOU CAN STATE THAT WITH THE CORRECTION OF THAT MM-HMM
SO YOU CAN MAKE THAT CORRECTION ON THIS AS AS GROUP.
CAN CAN YOU, CAN YOU REPEAT THE ITEM ON THE YES.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE LAST PAGE, I'LL START CAPTAIN.
UH, THE FIRST BULLET ON THE PAGE SAYS INSTRUCTOR ONE.
THE ONE RIGHT BELOW THAT SAYS ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE IN FIRE SCIENCE ONE.
SO THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO, ON THE, ON THE IT, SO IT'S FOR THE BATTALION SHEET THERE.
THE ONE, HE DOESN'T HAVE THIS, THIS IS THE ONE THAT DOES NOT HAVE IT.
SO ON THE, THE ONE YOU JUST SPOKE ABOUT, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, SEE IF THE, SORRY, THE GLASSES RIGHT HERE ON THAT.
THE ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE FIRE TEAM.
OR COMPARABLE THAT THEY WANNA ADD THAT.
WHAT WOULD BE COMPARABLE? OH, I SEE.
SO THERE'S, UH, YOU BROUGHT UP HOW MUCH EMS WE DO.
YOU AN ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE IN PARAMEDICINE.
SO IT IS, OR COMPARABLE, YOU COULD HAVE A FOUR YEAR DEGREE IN YES.
AND THAT COULD, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY EDUCATION.
SO YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT ADDING THE, OR COMPARABLE AND PARENTHESES TO THE CORRECT TO THE BATTALION.
BUT AS A BATTALION CHIEF, YOU ALSO NEED TO KNOW FIRE SCIENCE ON TOP OF THE VEHICLE.
SO THE, THE FIRE SCIENCE, THE CLASSES OF THE CHIEF OFFICER CLASSES THAT ARE REQUIRED UHHUH WOULD, WOULD COVER THAT.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS YOUR TIME.
THE GOOD THING THING ABOUT DOING THIS RIGHT NOW TOO IS THAT WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY PROMOTIONS TILL THE END OF THE YEAR AND NEXT YEAR.
SO, YOU KNOW, ALL EMPLOYEES WILL BE, YOU KNOW, WELL VERSED AND, AND HAVE THIS IN PLENTY OF TIMES.
YOU GET ALL OF THESE DEPARTMENTS.
IS IT COMMON, UM, ACROSS THE COUNTY THAT YOU NEED TO BE A CAPTAIN AT A SITE BEFORE YOU'RE A BATTALION CHIEF? YES.
THE ONLY, AND WE ALLOW A FIREFIGHTER THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO BE AN ENGINEER BUT HASN'T BEEN PROMOTED, CAN APPLY TO BE A CAPTAIN AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS TO BE AN ENGINEER AND THE STATE STAFF IN THERE.
BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THE ENGINEERS NOT REALLY IN CHARGE OF THE FIREFIGHTER.
IT'S A LITTLE MORE OF LIKE A, IT'S MORE OF A DUTIES TECHNICAL, WHAT THEY'RE DOING MORE TECHNIC MORE OF A TECHNICAL POSITION.
UM, BUT YES, TO BE A PARK CAPTAIN OR TRY TO BE A TIRE CHIEF, IT'S VERY MUCH THE INDUSTRY STANDARD.
WHAT IS IT? AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO THAT? YEAH, WE WERE JUST CHATTING ABOUT IT.
SO, UH, IT IS REALLY THAT THE ASSOCIATE DEGREE PORTION OF IT, THE EDUCATION PORTION OF IT ITSELF, UH,
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THE FIRE SCIENCE DEGREE IS I THINK, UM, AN ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE IS 60 UNITS.SO 30 UNITS OF GENERAL ED AND 29 OR 30 UNITS OF FIRE SCIENCE UNITS.
SO WHAT THAT CONSISTS OF FOR MOST DEGREE PRO PROCESSES, THERE'S FOUR CLASSES.
SO BUILDING, CONSTRUCTION, UH, FIRE BEHAVIOR, FIRE DYNAMICS, FIRE INSPECTIONS, FIRE INVESTIGATIONS.
AND THEN, UM, FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS. SO LIKE SPRINKLERS, UH, THOSE ARE ELECTRIC CORE CLASSES.
THOSE, THOSE ACCOUNT FOR 15 UNITS.
AND THEN THERE'S A MYRIAD OF OTHER ELECTIVE OR, UM, THAT YOU CAN TAKE IN YOUR DEGREE PATH.
UM, SOME OF THESE CLASSES COUNT.
UH, SO SOME OF THESE KIND OF COUNT FOR DOUBLE.
SO LIKE ALL OF THESE ARE ACTUAL COLLEGE COLLEGES OFFER A TYPICAL WAY TO GET THESE CLASSES.
IT IS THROUGH MIRAMAR COLLEGE OR SOUTHWESTERN COLLEGE OR PALOMAR COLLEGE? NO, UNTIL YOU GET COLLEGE CREDITS.
SO, UH, YOU MAY GET A DEGREE IN FIRE ADMINISTRATION.
LIKE RIGHT NOW I'M WORKING ON MY BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN FIRE ADMINISTRATION.
THAT'S, UM, A PARA MEDICINE DEGREE WE WOULD CONSIDER COMPARABLE FIRE SCIENCE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE, IT IS A, IT IS A DEGREE IN THE FIELD OF WORKING IN MM-HMM
SO, BUT, UM, IT HAS TO BE A, A COMPARABLE DEGREE.
IT CAN'T JUST BE LIKE A EXPERIENCE.
WELL, IT CAN, BECAUSE THE, THE FIRST SENTENCE UP THERE, ATYPICAL WAY.
SO THAT GIVES, THE GOAL OF THIS IS NOT TO EXCLUDE, UH, MEMBERS FROM TAKING PROMOTIONAL TESTS.
THE GOAL IS TO LAY OUT THE PATH OF THIS IS HOW TO MAKE YOURSELF THE MOST MARKETABLE FOR THE PROMOTION.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY THAT LANGUAGE IS ATYPICAL WAY.
AND SO THE, IF THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE 15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, THEN THAT WILL SUBSIDE FOR A TWO YEAR DEGREE.
WELL, MAYBE NOT, BUT LIKE, UM, WHAT ABOUT IF A KID GOES THROUGH THE CALIFORNIA CONSERVATION CORPS, UM, LOOKING TO WORK FOR CAL FIRES AND THEN, AND THEY GO THROUGH, LET'S SAY THEY DO TWO YEARS WITH THEM MM-HMM
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING OR THREE YEARS EVEN, WHICH JUST POSSIBLE.
UH, WELL, TO HIRE AS A FIREFIGHTER, THEY WOULD ALREADY MEET MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS BECAUSE DT AND DRIVER'S LICENSE.
ALL OF THE OTHER PROMOTIONS, UM, THEY'RE, WE LABEL OUR LIKE, SERVICE CREDIT TIME AS COMPARABLE WITH THE MUNICIPAL FIRE DEPARTMENT.
BECAUSE THAT'S MORE WHAT WE DO.
SO I, IT DEPENDS IF THEY WORK FOR CAL FIRE AND THEY WERE ON THEIR MUNICIPAL SIDE, AND THIS IS COMMON.
LIKE WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S A FIREFIGHTER, AND IN ORDER FOR HIM TO WORK AS A, TO TAKE A TEST AND QUALIFIED SCAFFOLD WOULD BE FIVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
HE HAS FOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH US AND HE HAS SIX YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ON A CAL FIRE FIRE ENGINE MUNICIPAL SIDE.
SO KIND OF GUESS IT KIND OF DEPENDS IF IT WAS TRUE MUNICIPAL, LIKE WHAT WE DO HERE.
OR WAS IT MORE OF LIKE THE TRAIL MAINTENANCE SIDE THAN PERHAPS NOT, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.
ANY, ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON TO FIRE OR VISION? NO.
SO I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, UH, WITH ADDING THE LANGUAGE.
WELL I WAS GONNA DO THE FIRST THREE AND THEN DO, AND THEN STIPULATION ON, ON THE BATTALION CHIEF.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE REVISION TO CLASSIFICATION FOR FIREFIGHTER, FIRE ENGINEER AND FIRE CAPTAIN.
UM, WE SECOND THAT AGAIN, OR NO, WE JUST VOTE RIGHT YOU SECOND.
WELL WE CAN PUT THOSE IN THE BOOKS.
UM, I'LL THEN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REVISION OF THE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF, UH, STIPULATING THE ADDITION OF, UH, THE LANGUAGE FOR THE ASSOCIATE DEGREE IN FIRE SCIENCE TO BE, TO, TO HAVE MORE COMPARABLE ADDED ON, UH, UNDER QUALIFICATION.
DOES SOUND RIGHT? IS THAT OKAY? YES, SIR.
UH, WE CAN EXCUSE MYSELF IF YOU GUYS GOOD.
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GOOD EVENING.OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO POLICE RECORDS.
SO IS ME, DEAN, DID YOU, YOU WANNA COME DOWN HERE A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN GET YOUR RECORDING PLEASE? THANK YOU.
THAT DOESN'T HAVE A VERY GOOD RANGE, RIGHT? NO, NOT, NOT ALWAYS.
I THINK JUST THE ONES WITH THE MICROPHONES THAT THAT POINT OUT ARE BETTER.
WELL, THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR HAVING ME HERE.
I AM ONE OF THE CAPTAINS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT IS EMPLOYEE DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE LISTED IN JOB CLASSIFICATIONS IS ACTUALLY WHAT IS IN THERE.
A LOT OF THE TIMES PEOPLE WILL SAY, WELL, WHAT HAS, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED AND THE MANNER OF WHICH WE DO THINGS ALSO CHANGES.
SO IF WE START OFF WITH A POLICE RECORD SUPERVISOR, UH, WHAT IS IT HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU? YES.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID IS WE KIND OF WENT LINE BY LINE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DO WE DO AND HOW IS IT CHANGED TO MAKE IT MORE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON? 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO HAVE A JOB THAT IS SUPER IMPORTANT THAT ISN'T LISTED HERE ON EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO.
SO WE WENT THROUGH THIS LIST AND REALLY JUST TRIED TO CLEAN UP A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE AND A LOT OF IT WAS, WAS PART OF THAT.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED THAT WAS LISTED, BUT I REALLY WANTED TO EXPOUND ON THAT, I KIND OF WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOU, TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION, IS THE, THE BULLET POINT THAT HAS, IF YOU GUYS LOOK IN THE CPRA, THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC RECORDS ACT MM-HMM
SO WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WAY THAT ASSEMBLY BILLS AND SENATE BILLS AND THE, THE PRAS COME THROUGH, THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF SUBTLE INFERENCES THAT CAN BE MADE ABOUT PRAS.
BUT THE WAY THAT THE WORLD IS CHANGING OUR SOCIETY IS CHANGING IS A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE INFORMATION IS BEING RELEASED.
AND THE ISSUE THAT WE, THAT WE COME TO IS WITH TECHNOLOGY CHANGING THE WAY, THE MANNER THAT WE RELEASE THINGS HAS CHANGED.
AND AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS WITH, LET'S SAY THE, UH, BODY CAMERAS THAT WE HAVE, THE OFFICERS THAT YOU GUYS KNOW HAVE OVER THE LAST, UH, SEVERAL YEARS HAVE BODY CAMERAS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND EVEN THE, UH, MEDIA AND OTHERS ARE REQUESTING THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL THAT GOES INTO THEM.
I MEAN, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE LOOKING AT A SCREEN AND MAKING SURE YOU BLUR OUT CERTAIN THINGS BY LAW, THESE RECORDS, SHEET ADVISOR WHO'S PART OF THIS TEAM HAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT.
THERE'S A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY IN THAT.
AND BECAUSE OF A LOT OF THESE CHANGES, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO, TO BRING UP TO KIND OF REFLECT THE DUTIES THAT ARE REALLY HAPPENING IN THIS.
BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES ARE COVERED WITH WHAT THEY SUPERVISE AS THIS POSITION DOES TO ALSO TEACH THE FUTURE, UH, PEOPLE THAT COME INTO THIS JOB ROLE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS, IS, IS BEING DONE ACCORDING TO THE LAW.
SO WE WENT THROUGH, CLEANED UP A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE, UM,
SO IT SAYS THE GRADUATION TYPICAL WAY TO OBTAIN ACQUIRED KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS, AND ABILITIES WOULD BE, AND THEY SAY, GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL AND, UM, FOUR YEARS OF INCREASING RESPONSIBILITY, CLERICAL AND POLICE RECORDS EXPERIENCE, WELL, IT'S POLICE RECORDS EXPERIENCE, BUT LET'S JUST SAY SOMEBODY WORKS FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR SOME FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALONG THE SAME LINES AND STUFF.
WE WANTED TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE CLEANER TO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THE, WHAT THE SPECIFICATIONS OF WHAT THE JOB TITLE THAT THEY HAD IN ANOTHER POSITION TOO.
UM, THIS POSITION SPECIFICALLY WITH THE RECORDS THAT COMES THROUGH, WAS IT IT IS, IT'S A VERY, IT'S A VERY BIG TASK.
AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, SOMEBODY GETS INTO AN ACCIDENT, WHAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT THEY WANT TO DO? THEY WANT TO COME IN AND WANT TO GET A REPORT.
WE, WE ALL KNOW THAT, BUT THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT FOR THE LAW THEY CAN AND THEY CAN'T RELEASE AND WHO TO RELEASE IT TO.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN.
SO THIS BASICALLY UPDATES THE LARGE AMOUNT OF DUTIES THAT THIS POSITION ACTUALLY, UM, ENTAILS.
YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DUTIES I CAN EXPOUND ON? FEEL FREE TO ASK.
UH, I DO HAVE A, AT THE BOTTOM IT SAYS, POSSESSION OF A VALID TY DRIVER'S LICENSE REQUIRE TO DEFENDANT.
DOES THE PERSON HAVE TO DRIVE ACTUAL WORK OR, SO I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
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YES.SO LET'S SAY THAT THE INDIVIDUAL HAS TO GO TO COURT DELIVER SUBPOENAS.
UM, WHEN THE JUDGE OR THE, THE COURT SAY, HERE'S THIS CAN PICK THIS UP.
THEY MAY NEED TO GO, UH, DRIVE TO A LOCATION DUE TO, TO GET THINGS, IF YOU GO, GO AHEAD.
THE, THE, THE FIRE BATTALION CHIEF HAD THE SAME, UM, THING IN ONE OF THE OTHER, UM, WHERE, WHERE IT KIND OF, UH, INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING REQUIRED AT THE TIME OF APPOINTMENT THAT IT SAID, UM, THAT THEY MUST BE A TEAM.
UM, SO I'M WONDERING IF THAT MIGHT BE LIKE A FUTURE.
UH, SO, SO YOU NEED TO MUST POSSESS AND BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN, BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN, BECAUSE IF THEY HAVE TO USE IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST GONNA COME RIGHT BACK BEFORE US IN LIKE THREE YEARS WHEN THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT AGAIN.
WHEN WE VOTE ON, WHEN YOU VOTE ON THIS, YOU CAN ACTUALLY ADD THAT TO THAT IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, I, I HATE TO MAKE IT HARD SOMEBODY TO GET A JOB AND YEAH, THEY NEED TO DRIVE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEBODY WHO, WHO COMES IN WITH A CLASS C AND THEN GETS A COUPLE DUIS OR, SO IT'S HOW, LET'S SAY WHEN IT'S A POLICE DEPARTMENT, A GOVERNMENT AGENCY, IF WE HAVE ISSUES LIKE THAT, WE HAVE OTHER AVENUES THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOOK INTO.
I MEAN, IT IT IS A POLICE CLERK.
UM, HOW, HOW MANY RECORDS SUPERVISORS DO YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW AT THIS TIME? WE HAVE ONE.
AND WHAT, WHAT'S THE TITLE OF THE, THE FOLKS THAT WORK UNDER THE SUPERVISOR RECORDS CLERK? UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL RECORDS CLERK FULL TIME, PART-TIME.
AND THAT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RECORDS DEPARTMENT IS ALWAYS FLOWING.
UM, THE ADJUSTMENT OF SOME OF THEIR SHIFT TO COME IN EARLY TO BE ABLE TO PROCESS STUFF TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
FOR A LOT OF THE CASES FROM, LET'S SAY THE WEEKEND, FOR EXAMPLE, MONDAY MORNING, WE HAVE TO TAKE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THESE DOWN, SEND, LOAD THE VA, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT GOES TO THE VA IS PROPERLY LOGGED.
BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS TO GET, CALL US UP AND GO, HEY, I NEED THIS REPORT.
AND THEN IT BECOMES A MAD, I DO IT.
SO HAVING ALL THE CLERKS BEING ABLE TO DO THIS ALONG WITH THE FRONT DESK OFFICER IS ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE RECORDS UNIT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS IN THERE.
AND THIS POSITION KIND OF KEEPS THINGS HUMMING.
ARE THESE ALL HOURLY EMPLOYEES, BOTH CLERKS AND, AND THE SUPERVISOR? UH, THE PART-TIME ARE YES.
SO THEY'RE NOT SALARIED EMPLOYEES.
THEY ARE TRULY CONSIDERED HOURLY MM-HMM
SO DOES, DOES THE CURRENT, UH, EMPLOYEE MEET THE, THE NEW CLASSIFICATION? THIS, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY WHAT THIS INDIVIDUAL CURRENTLY DOES.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF WAS A LOT OF THE OTHER DUTIES AS ASSIGNED THAT WE PUT IN THERE.
IS IT REFLECTED IN HERE BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE IT A POSITION SPECIFIC, NOT EVEN PERSONS.
WILL, WILL WE BE SEEING A, A, A REVISION TO THE CLERK, THE CLERK DUTIES AS WELL, CONSIDERING THE, I MEAN, IS A TREMENDOUS CHANGE, RIGHT? FROM THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS EXISTING TO THE, TO THIS EXTENSIVE LIST OF DUTIES, LIKE A LOT OF WHICH I IMAGINE THE CLERKS ARE, ARE DOING AS WELL.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING SOON? I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO THAT SPECIFIC.
UM, A LOT OF THE DUTIES THAT ARE HERE ARE EXPOUNDED UPON AND ADDED INTO IT WHEN IT COMES TO THE CLERKS.
THEY'RE TASKED MORE WITH A THINK OF IT, AND, AND FORGIVE ME IF THIS IS THE WRONG WORD, BUT ALMOST TO COMPARTMENTALIZE, LIKE, THIS SPECIFIC CLERK IS IN CHARGE OF DOING THIS, THIS ONE IS IN CHARGE OF DOING THIS.
BECAUSE A LOT OF THE TIMES WHEN YOU HAVE, IT'S LIKE A, IT'S LIKE A, A BALL TEAM.
EVERYBODY HAVE, HAS A SPECIFIC JOB, BUT THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER.
AND IF THERE'S A PROJECT THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK ON, THEY ALL BAND TOGETHER TO GET THAT PROJECT DONE.
AND THE, AND THE, THE, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S AN ISSUE, BUT ONE OF THE BIG STICKING POINTS THAT WE HAVE IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT CAN KIND OF BE THE COACH.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY WANNA LOOK IN, AND A LOT OF THE, THE POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE ARE WHERE ARE WE SETTING THESE, THESE, THESE EMPLOYEES UP TO THE FUTURE? WHERE AM I GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THIS PERSON TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS? BUT THEN HAVE SOMEBODY COME UP BEHIND THEM IN THE FUTURE, THAT PERSON DECIDES TO LEAVE AND IT'LL BE A FLAWLESS TRANSITION.
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? MIRANDA? NO, MY QUESTION.
ALRIGHT, WELL I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE REVISION TO POLICE RECORDS SUPERVISOR.
I THINK HE WANTED TO ADD LANGUAGE.
WE'LL LEAVE, UH, MAKE, LET ME, I MEAN, IF IT IS RELEVANT, YOU KNOW, NO, I'LL REPHRASE THAT.
SO I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REVISION TO THE CLASSIFICATION
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FOR POLICE RECORD SUPERVISOR.UM, THE STIPULATION THAT WE ADD TO THE LICENSE CERTIFICATIONS AND SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS, UH, AND MAINTENANCE, UH, PORTION OF THE, THE DUE, THE, UM, JOB DESCRIPTION THAT WE ADD AND MAINTENANCE POSSESSION AND MAINTENANCE OF THE DRUG SALES MAINTAINED.
OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM B CLASSIFICATION EDITION.
SENIOR CRIME AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYST.
SO ON THIS ONE, THEY'RE THE EXAMPLES OF TYPICAL DUTIES.
NOW IF YOU GUYS WANT TO JUST KIND OF LOOK THROUGH THOSE THINGS, THIS ONCE AGAIN IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT DEVELOPING FOR THE FUTURE.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, WE SEE A LOT OF THE TIMES ON TV WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU WATCH A, A, A POLICE SHOW OR SOMETHING, YOU, YOU SEE A, WHAT THEY'RE CALLING THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER.
YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF THESE CRIME ANALYSTS WITH ALL THESE TV MONITORS ON THE BOARD AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE STUFF WITH VIDEO.
AND SO THE WAY TECHNOLOGY IS GOING, THERE'S A LOT OF DUTIES THAT ARE RELATED TO DOING THAT.
BUT WHAT I WANNA, UH, KIND OF EMPHASIZE IS LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE BEHIND THE SCENES THAT ARE GOING ON.
THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE TRAINING TO FUTURE EMPLOYEES AS A, UM, LIKE, LIKE IN A SUPERVISORY, UH, CAPACITY IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT TEAM ENVIRONMENT AND DEVELOP THE EMPLOYEES INTO THE FUTURE.
THE, IF YOU GO THROUGH THIS LIST AND JUST KIND OF JUST, JUST LOOK THROUGH A LOT OF THESE, BUT WHEN, WHEN YOU GUYS DO THAT, JUST THINK OF THE AMOUNT OF COMPUTER WORK AND THE TECHNOLOGY THAT GOES INTO WHEN A DEPARTMENT HEAD AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COMES TO THE CRIME ANALYST AND SAYS, I NEED THE STATISTICS FOR FILL IN THE BLANK FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL TO BE ABLE TO GO OVER, TYPE IT UP, HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE, AND KNOW HOW TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, PUT IT INTO A DOCUMENT OR SOMETHING THAT'S USABLE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO A DEPARTMENT HEAD.
AND ULTIMATELY, WHICH AT TIMES GOES OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN.
AND IT BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT FOR ONE PERSON WHO THAT.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE THIS CLASSIFICATION, YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S ALSO ON THE INTELLIGENCE SIDE WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE BEYOND NEARLY JUST PULLING SOMETHING UP.
THE INTELLIGENCE SIDE IS THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER, THEY'RE STRINGING TOGETHER CRIME POTENTIAL.
WE'VE GOT A SERIES OF SOMETHING OVER HERE.
WE PREDICT USING PREDICTIVE POLICING AND INTELLIGENCE LED POLICING TO BE ABLE TO MAP IT OUT.
UH, I COULD, I COULD TALK TO THESE CRAZY THINGS, BUT I'LL, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.
PUSHING A BUTTON AND, AND SAYING, BASED ON THESE FIVE CRIMES THAT HAPPEN HERE, I BELIEVE THIS.
AND BE ABLE TO HAVE THE BACKUP TO SHOW IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR ONE PERSON TO DO.
SO HAVING THE, THE INDIVIDUAL BEING ABLE TO NOT ONLY TRAIN THE NEXT GENERATION, BUT TO ALWAYS TO BE ABLE TO ASSIST WHEN THAT HAPPENS IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WANT TO IMPRESS UPON OUR, ON OUR PEOPLE.
IT SETS 'EM UP FOR THE FUTURE.
IT ALSO SETS THE TREND OF WHAT THE PUBLIC EXPECTS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE CAN START PUTTING UP PRODUCT THAT, THAT EVERYBODY GOES, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
THAT IS, I, I NOW UNDERSTAND IT.
AND IT KIND OF KEEPS IN MIND CLOSELY RELATED TO WHAT IS, WHAT HAS BEEN, BUT IT ALSO HOLDS ON TO FUTURE, UH, THE ABILITIES IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE REALLY FOCUS ON WITH THIS ONE.
IT'S THE CRIME ANALYST, BUT THE INTELLIGENCE ANALYST IS THE CRIME AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYST, WHICH ENCAPSULATES THAT ENTIRETY.
IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE SKILLS IN, LOOK AT THE, I MEAN, JUST GOING THROUGH THAT COMPUTER OPERATIONS, UH, PROFICIENCY, WINDOWS, GIS MAPPING OTHER GEOGRAPHICAL SYSTEMS, THAT'S BASICALLY SAYING, HERE'S A MAP OF IT AS LIKE, UH, A REGULAR MAP ON GOOGLE.
BUT YOU'RE ABLE PINPOINT CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING USING NOT ONLY THE ABILITIES OF THE INDIVIDUAL, BUT REACHING OUT TO THE NETWORK THEY'VE CREATED WITH OTHER CRIME ANALYSTS AND CRIME AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYSTS TO BE ABLE TO SAY, DO YOU HAVE A TREND, A CRIME THAT'S GROWING HERE?
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YOU SEE IT ON THE NEWS, WE'LL SEE IT ALL THE TIME.HEY, YOU HAD FIVE BREAKTHROUGHS, FIVE CAR THEFTS, FIVE ASSAULT, WHATEVER IT IS.
AND THE, THE ANALYST CAN GET TOGETHER AND USING THE INTELLIGENCE SIDE OF IT FOR THE CRIME AND INTELLIGENCE, THEY CAN MAP THINGS OUT AND THEY CAN KIND OF USE PREDICTIVE POLICING TO SAY, THIS IS WHERE WE THINK BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE, THESE ARE THE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT WE GENERATED.
WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN THE USABLE, DIGESTIBLE DOCUMENT.
PEOPLE GO, WOW, THAT, THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I THINK THAT WAS IT.
UH, IT SAYS, ONE YEAR OF EXPERIENCE AS A CRIME AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYST FOR THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY ONE YEAR, AND THEN, UH, OR A BACHELOR'S DEGREE FROM AN ACCREDITED UNIVERSITY, WHICH WE KNOW IS LIKE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OR THREE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE PERFORMING INTELLIGENCE ANALYSIS FOR, UH, OR INVESTIGATIVE SUPPORT WORK WITHIN A CRIME ANALYSIS, CRIME INTELLIGENCE, MILITARY INTELLIGENCE.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE ONE YEAR OF EXPERIENCE FOR, FOR SOMEBODY IN NATIONAL CITY SEEMS INSUFFICIENT COMPARED TO THE OTHER, UH, OPTIONS.
SO IN THIS SPECIFIC LINE OF WORK, UHHUH, IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THE NEXT GENERATION, THEY'RE GETTING THE EXPERIENCE.
SO LET'S JUST SAY YOU WANTED TO COME WORK WITH ME, UHHUH AS A POLICE OFFICER, YOU HAVE TO GO TO CERTAIN CERTIFICATIONS.
YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE ACADEMY, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO GET HIRED.
SO WHEN WE BRING SOMEBODY IN TO WORK WITH THE, WITH THIS POSITION UHHUH, NOW WE HAVE TWO, THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS ARE GOING TO BE TRAINING THE WAY THAT WE DO IT AND LEARN ALL THE NETWORKING AND EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE INTO A POSITION IN THE FUTURE.
SO THIS DEVELOPS THE PERSON THAT'S HERE TO ONE DAY GO HERE.
BUT DO YOU THINK ONE YEAR IS SUFFICIENT? WOULDN'T, TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THAT'S LIKE TWO YEARS.
NO, I WAS JUST SAYING IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE REVISIONS THEN OH, UM, WHEN YOU DO THE VOTING ON IT, OH, WE LIKE, WE ANOTHER PREVIOUS ONES.
NO, I WOULDN'T WANNA DO THE REVISION ON UNLESS HE, HE, YOU KNOW, HE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THE YEAH.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA THROW SOMETHING IN THERE.
THAT, THAT IS A VERY VALID POINT.
BUT ESSENTIALLY IT IS IN THIS SPECIFIC UNIT IN OUR CRIME ANALYSIS UNIT.
I'M NOT, I DON'T WORK THERE UHHUH, BUT I WORK WITH THEM.
I, I TALK TO 'EM ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS.
I SEE THE GREAT WORK THAT THEY DO.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I CAN SAY IS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE, WE'VE GOT REALLY GOOD PEOPLE.
OUR CITY, WE REALLY HAVE GOOD PEOPLE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY ARE FOCUSED ON, AND WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FOCUSED ON IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF FUTURE GENERATION.
THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES HOW MUCH TIME DOES SOMEBODY WHO'S IN, WHO'S IN THIS ROLE HAS THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY DO THAT ROLE? AND WE, WE KIND OF LOOK AT IT LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE OR OR, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY IT LEAVES IT UP TO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD TO GO, EH, MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.
BUT IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT HOW WELL THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS BEEN, HOW MUCH THEY'VE GRASPED THE CONCEPTS AND HOW QUICK THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THE WORK.
'CAUSE IT IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK.
WELL, I GUESS IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT JOURNEYMAN, UH, YOU LOOK AT THE, THE CARPENTER STUFF, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT
UM, MEAN IS IT, IS IT LIKE MAYBE TOO MUCH PERSON, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE MULTIPLE THREE PEOPLE.
YOU, YOU HAVE A VERY VALID POINT.
HE DOES IT IS, IT IS VERY, HOW DO I SAY? SO WHO DOES? IT'S, IT'S A VERY INTERESTING GROUP OF PEOPLE BECAUSE SOMETIMES I WILL WALK INTO A CONVERSATION AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND
I'VE SPENT THE LAST 20, ALMOST 29 YEARS UNDERSTANDING IT'S VERY DIFFICULT SOMETIMES.
BUT IF I BROUGHT SOMEBODY, IF IF YOU CAME AND YOU WERE WITH ME FOR ONE YEAR, IMAGINE WHAT YOU WOULD KNOW.
IMAGINE WHAT YOU WOULD LEARN IN THAT TIME PERIOD TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I HAVE A GOOD STARTING POINT.
BUT ALSO THE WAY THAT OUR DEPARTMENT DOES IT IN NATIONAL CITY, I THINK WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE BECAUSE WE SPEND TIME TO GO THROUGH THE WHY.
THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT, THIS IS WHY WE DO IT.
AND THE END RESULT IS WE WANNA BE ABLE TO PUT A PRODUCT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY THAT SAYS WE'RE
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NUMBER ONE, THIS IS WHAT WE DO.WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, YES, THIS IS A, A DIFFICULT JOB, BUT WE HAVE THE BEST PEOPLE DOING IT, AND WE ARE GIVING THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION, WHICH LEADS TO THE BEST CHANCES OF SUCCESS.
IT'S ONE PERSON THAT DOES THIS SPECIFIC JOB AS IN OTHER, A OTHER AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY.
THEY DO HAVE TEAMS THOUGH, AND, AND DON'T THINK THAT YES, THIS PERSON, THIS PERSON HAS SOMEBODY AS THE, UM, YOU KNOW, AS THE SUPERVISOR TYPE IS GOING TO SUPERVISE, BE IN CHARGE OF SOMEBODY TO CREATE THAT TEAM.
BUT OUR DEPARTMENT, WE CAN ALSO BRANCH OUT.
IF I NEEDED ADDITIONAL HELP, I CAN GO TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT AND SAY, I NEED HELP ON SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE IN THIS SO CURRENT.
SO WE HAVE ONE PRIME AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYST, AND SHE HAS ONE OR TWO VOLUNTEERS.
SHE HAS, WELL, RIGHT NOW SHE HAS ONE VOLUNTEER, RIGHT? SO, SO THAT'S THE CURRENT STRUCTURE IS WE HAVE JUST ONE BODY INTO THE LOWER LEVEL AND THEY'RE JUST LOOKING FOR FUTURES.
IF IT, IF THE DEPARTMENT EVER E EXPANDS AND SUCH.
AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT, WHAT THE REST OF THE CITIES, THE COUNTIES, UH, HAVE.
SO THE REST OF THE COUNTY, WELL, I CAN'T SAY THE REST OF, YES, THERE ARE OTHER CRIME AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYSTS.
THERE'S, THERE'S LIKE THE STEPPING STONE.
YOU HAVE YOUR CRIME ANALYST THAT DOES A LOT OF STUFF, AND THEN THERE'S THE CRIME AND INTELLIGENCE, WHICH ADDS THE INTELLIGENT PIECING WORKING WITH THE INVESTIGATION DURING, LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, A HOMICIDE.
AND THEY WOULD BE CALLED TO ASSIST WITH, HEY, I NEED YOU TO DO X, Y, AND Z.
THEY, THEY CAN, THEY CAN BE EMBEDDED, BUT WITH THEIR SKILLS AND THEIR EXPERIENCE IN THIS CREATES AN ENVIRONMENT FOR THE, FOR THE INVESTIGATION DIVISION TO YOU'VE GOT THAT.
DO GREAT JOB, GREAT WORK, HERE'S YOUR PRODUCT.
GIVE THEM WHAT THEY NEED, THAT THEY CAN FOCUS ON FINDING, YOU KNOW, A RESOLUTION TO THE, THE CRIME ITSELF.
HOW MANY CRIME ANALYSTS DO YOU HAVE? ONE, AND, AND YOU HAVE SOMEONE SEPARATELY DOING INTELLIGENCE THIS WELL, THEY WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM.
THIS IS THE CRIME AND INTELLIGENCE.
INTELLIGENCE IS THE THINK OF IT AS ANOTHER.
BUT, BUT I'M SAYING YOU HAVE SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY THAT'S JUST AN INTELLIGENCE ANALYST.
WE DO NOT HAVE JUST AN INTELLIGENCE.
WE HAVE A CRIME AND INTELLIGENCE.
SO YOU HAVE ONE PERSON MM-HMM
THIS SEEMS SO, SO IS THAT, IS THAT, AM I WRONG THERE? SO LET ME REVIEW THIS.
SHE, SHE'S YOUR ONLY CRIME ANALYST.
THEN THERE'S A CRIME AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYST.
YOU AND YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE YES.
SO YOU HAVE, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A CRIME AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYST, AND YOU HAVE ONE CRIME ANALYST.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE AN INTERESTING JOB.
WHAT DO THEY, WHAT DO THEY DO? DO THEY JUST DRIVE AROUND THE CITY? THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON THERE.
SO JUST, JUST REALLY QUICK, SO LET'S JUST GIMME AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW IN THE CITY.
WHAT'S AN EXAMPLE, UH, WHO'S TRAFFICKING THE PEOPLE ON MAIN STREET? UM, THAT SEEMS LIKE, THAT SEEMS LIKE A VALID CRIME.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD, OKAY, SO LET ME, LET ME, LET ME PUT THIS.
SO NOT ON MAIN STREET, LET'S SAY IT WAS WHO IS MAYBE SO WHO, OR SPECIFICALLY WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE CAN ADDRESS WITH PROSTITUTION? CORRECT.
WOULD THAT BE NOT NECESSARILY PROSTITUTION WITH THE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAFFICKING.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PINS? YEAH.
SO YOUR, YOUR QUESTION, IF I'M CORRECT, YOU SITTING ON THE BICYCLE LIKE THREE BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE GIRL.
SO, SO HERE'S WHAT AN ANALYST WOULD DO.
AN ANALYST WOULD SAY, OKAY, LET ME GET THE CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S GONE OUT THERE.
AND THEN THEY WOULD GO FURTHER BY SAYING, ON THESE CALLS OF SERVICE, WHEN DID THEY OCCUR? WHAT DATES DID THEY OCCUR? IS THERE A PATTERN? RIGHT? THE CRIME INTELLIGENCE ANALYST WOULD BRANCH OUT FROM THAT TO MAYBE GO TO SAN DIEGO AND SAY, WHAT CASES ARE YOU GUYS WORKING? IT'S CONFIDENTIAL, BUT I'M, I'M ON THE INTELLIGENCE SIDE, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I'M ABLE TO TAKE THE INFORMATION AND EXPOUND UPON IT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE SOMETHING THAT DETECTIVES CAN GO, OKAY, SO YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING, HYPOTHETICALLY, SAN DIEGO HAS BEEN WORKING THIS, THESE
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INDIVIDUALS AND THESE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK OUT FOR.WE ALSO HAVE CERTAIN CRIMES THAT OCCURRED CERTAIN DAYS OF THE WEEK.
WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUR RESOURCES OUT THERE AND COMBAT THAT ISSUE RIGHT THERE.
THEN ONCE WE ROUND TABLE IT WITH THE OTHER CRIME INTELLIGENCE ANALYSTS, THEY'D BE ABLE TO MAP OUT, OKAY, THIS PERSON AND BRANCHES, AND THERE'S ALL THESE BRANCHES, THEY'RE ABLE TO GET ALL THAT INT INTELLIGENCE, PUT IT ON THE BOARD.
THEY'RE ABLE TO SEE ALL OF THIS STUFF.
THEY, THEY, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT BASED ON THE QUESTION YOU ASKED.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A HYPOTHETICAL, UH, THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT THEY DO, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD, WOULD, THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE AS A PRODUCT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
BUT THEY'RE NOT OUT THERE EVERY DAY, JUST NO, NO, NO, NO.
THEY ARE IN, THEY'RE IN THE OFFICE.
THEY, THEY MAY GO TO COURT TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY BASED ON WHAT THEY CREATED, THE INFORMATION THAT THEY HAD, BUT THEY'RE IN AN OFFICE, THEY MOVE AROUND THE BUILDING.
SOMETIMES THEY MAY GO OUT IF THE INVESTIGATION PROVISION IS WITH THEM AND THEY NEED TO, I THINK ONE OF THE DUTIES WAS TO BE ED CERTIFIED.
WHAT WAS THAT? UM, BUT ANYWAYS, THERE'S VERY FEW TIMES THAT THEY WOULD GO OUT OTHER THAN MEETINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY IN AN OFFICE WITH ALL OF THIS DATA, AND IT'S THEM BEING ABLE TO PULL THE DATA AND PUT IT INTO A DOCUMENT ALONG WITH THE PREDICTIVE METHODS THAT, THAT THEY USE.
SO LIKE, LIKE IF THERE WAS CITY CAMERAS ON, UM, NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD AND, UH, US, THEY WERE ATTEMPTING TO TARGET A SPECIFIC PERSON OF INTEREST.
THEY JUST LOCKED THE TIMES THAT THEY SAW THAT PERSON AND THEN PUT IT ALL INTO A DOCUMENT.
SAY, THIS PERSON IS HERE ON FRIDAYS AT 11:00 AM AND THEY JUST, THEY JUST BASICALLY WRITE AN ESSAY ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE DISCOVERED.
I, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, AND I WISH MAYBE THEY WOULD BE HERE, I DON'T THINK, COULD THEY OPEN UP THE CAMERA AND WATCH? POSSIBLY, RIGHT.
BUT THAT IS A LOT OF WORK THAT'S USUALLY LEFT TO SOMEBODY WHO'S SPECIFICALLY INVOLVED IN THAT.
MAYBE A DETECTIVE WOULD DO THAT.
THIS INDIVIDUAL IS ACTUALLY THINKING ALONG THE LINES OF, I WANNA PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING.
HOW DO I DO THAT? OH, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH.
YOU WANNA GO AHEAD? NO, GO AHEAD.
UM, SINCE THE SENIOR CRIME AND INTELLIGENT ANALYST, UH, IN MY MIND, SENIOR MEANS THAT THEY WOULD BE SUPERVISING, OR IT'S A HIERARCHY TO MOVE ON UP, YOU KNOW, AS, AS PEOPLE GET MORE EXPERIENCE.
UH, BUT YET, I MAY BE WRONG, BUT SENIOR, I DON'T SEE ANY, ANYTHING HERE THAT SAYS SUPERVISORY CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY WOULD SUPERVISE PEOPLE.
AND I WAS THINKING A SENIOR POSITION THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
BUT, SO ON THE SECOND BULLET POINT ON THE FRONT PAGE WHERE IT SAYS ACTS OF A FIRST LINE SUPERVISOR OVER SUBORDINATE STAFF.
AND IF YOU SEE THE NEXT ONE DOWN ALSO PROVIDES TECHNICAL GUIDANCE AND TRAINING TO SUBORDINATE ANALYSTS.
AND THAT'S THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
I GET MY PRESCRIPTION NEXT WEEK.
WELL, I WALKED OVER AND I FORGOT MY GLASSES, AND I'M SITTING THERE TRYING TO STARE AT THIS.
NO, THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
I MEAN, I'VE ALREADY STATED GENERALLY LIKE MY, MY ISSUES WITH CREATING CLASSIFICATIONS, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, YOU WANNA CREATE A POSITION WHERE YOU CAN PROMOTE ESSENTIALLY, UH, MAYBE WHOEVER'S, UH, DOING THE INTELLIGENCE CRIME ANIMAL, YOU KNOW, THE CRIME ANALYSIS CURRENTLY.
UM, AND THEN HOMEGIRL, YMA YMA, RIGHT? UH, POTENTIALLY DOWN THE ROAD, UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE, ONCE SHE HAS THE EXPERIENCE, RIGHT? CAN SLIDE IN WHEN SO-AND-SO RETIRES OR WHATEVER, OR YOU WANT TO BUILD THE DEPARTMENT.
I JUST, UH, I'M JUST NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE NECESSITY OF IT RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU, UNLESS, UNLESS IT'S BEING CREATED TO PROMOTE THE PERSON THAT'S DOING IT.
NOW YOU'RE SAYING IT'S JUST, UH, FOR A FUTURE.
UM, AND, AND, AND I'VE, I'VE SEEN IT, I'VE SEEN IT A BUNCH OF TIMES, MAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, NEXT THING MAYBE WE'RE GONNA HAVE ASSISTANT SENIOR CRIME AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYST.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO BUDGET OF COURSE TO TALK ABOUT 'CAUSE THERE'S NO SALARY 'CAUSE UH, IT'S A FUTURE, RIGHT? BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CITY THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA RUN A DEFICIT.
UM, THAT, THAT, THAT HASN'T BEEN EXACTLY DETERMINED YET.
SO I JUST GEN GENERALLY JUST HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT, YOU KNOW, NOT THE
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SPECIFIC THING.I TOTALLY GET WHAT, WHAT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DO.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I, I WOULD SAY, AND I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY HERE TO THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE FUTURE IS.
WE, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO DO THAT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT THE CHIEF IS REALLY INTERESTED IN WHAT'S CALLED REAL TIME CRIME CENTER.
AND THAT BOILS DOWN TO WE WILL BE ABLE TO, IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BE ABLE TO RUN IT AS AN OPERATION CENTER, A DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS CENTER.
AND IN THE PAST WHERE WE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL SITTING IN A LAPTOP, OH, YOU NEED TO RUN SOMETHING.
ALL RIGHT, LET ME, AND THEN WRITING STUFF DOWN, HAVING THE ABILITY TO, TO WATCH THE, THE CAMERAS, TO BE ABLE TO, UM, SOURCE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING OUT IN THE WORLD.
BE, UM, SOCIAL MEDIA, COMBIN THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA.
THERE'S SO MANY AVENUES THAT THIS POSITION IS ABLE TO ASSIST WITH, WHERE WE WOULDN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT IN THE PAST.
AND PART OF THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK FUTURE FORWARD, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FORESIGHT NOW TO DO AND SET US UP FOR SUCCESS IN THE FUTURE, THEN WE KIND OF SAY, OH, OKAY.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I, I, I UNDERSTAND IT.
UM, WITH THIS THOUGH, HAVING THIS ABILITY TO DO WHAT WE DO, OBVIOUSLY IS, IS ONLY GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC AND MAKING NATIONAL CITY AS A COMMUNITY TO THAT ONE.
WE WANT THEM TO HAVE THE TOOLS AND THE PERSONNEL TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM WHAT THEY NEED.
SO CURRENTLY YOUNG LOPEZ IS A CRIME ANALYST, AND LIKELY SHE WILL BE THE ENTRY FOR THE SENIOR CRIME INTELLIGENCE.
WELL, THE CRIME ANALYST IS THIS POSITION, AND THE SENIOR IS ABOUT THE INTELLIGENCE ABOVE.
WELL, SHE, SHE WAS JUST HIRED IN APRIL.
SHE WAS JUST, SHE'S JUST A CRIME ANALYST.
SHE'S NOT DOING THE OH, THERE'S MULTIPLE CRIME.
OR SHE'S THERE, SHE, SHE JUST GOT HIRED AS THE CRIME ANALYST.
THEY ALSO EMPLOY A CRIME AND INTELLIGENCE TITLE THAT JUST DOESN'T HAVE THIS TITLE.
SO THE CRIME AND INTELLIGENCE S IS GOING TO BECOME THE SENIOR INTELLIGENCE.
WELL, I MEAN, NO, NO, IT'S NOT.
LIKE YOU CAN MAKE THAT INFERENCE, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, NO.
YOU WOULD'VE TO GET, UH, APPROVED BY BUDGET RIGHT.
IT WOULD'VE TO BE APPROVED BY BUDGET AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO DO A RECRUITMENT AND SUCH.
WHEN YOU DO RECRUITMENT, THESE, THESE TYPE OF POSITIONS ARE PRETTY COMPETITIVE, I WOULD IMAGINE? YES, THEY ARE.
I MEAN, SOMEONE CAN MAKE A MOTION, THEY FEEL COMPELLED.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SENIOR CRIME AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYST SECOND.
SO RECORD SUPERVISOR, COULD WE GO OFF THE RECORD FOR, FOR, UH, A COUPLE MINUTES, OR CAN WE STOP THE RECORDING? RIGHT? YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT.
SO THE NEXT TWO ITEMS, UH, THE RECREATION PROGRAM COORDINATOR CURRENTLY, UM, WE DO NOT HAVE A WAY FOR, UM, ANY OF OUR PART-TIME EMPLOYEES TO GO FROM, CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE RECREATION SPECIALIST, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF OUR PART-TIME RECREATION POSITIONS.
UM, THIS IS CREATION OF A RECREATION PROGRAM COORDINATOR WHO THEN WOULD REPORT TO A RECREATION CENTER SUPERVISOR OR A RECREATION SUPERVISOR.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CREATE WAYS FOR OUR PART-TIME STAFF TO MOVE UP IN THE FUTURE.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE LOOKED AT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO DETERMINE WHAT EXACTLY THEY HAVE IN REGARDS TO HIERARCHY AND POSITIONS.
SO THIS IS WHY THIS POSITION WAS CREATED, WAS TO GIVE THAT ABILITY FOR THOSE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES FOR THE FUTURE, AND TO CREATE MORE OF A, UH, HIERARCHY SYSTEM VERSUS GOING FROM THE SPECIALIST THAN AUTOMATICALLY TO A SUPERVISOR.
IF THIS, WITH THIS CLASSIFICATION, WOULD IT BE JUST ONE PERSON AS A REC OR SEVERAL DEFENDANT? IT COULD BE SEVERAL, BECAUSE WE COULD, THEY COULD BE ASSIGNED TO THE VARIOUS PARKS.
SO THEY WOULD BE, LIKE I SAID, WORKING DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH THE SUPERVISOR.
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ONE FOR LAS PALMAS, ONE FOR, OKAY.SO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE AT CAMACHO OR EVEN OVER AT OUR UPCOMING, UH, OPENING OF OUR NEW SENIOR CENTER, THEY CAN HAVE THAT PERSON SENIOR, YES.
OVER THERE AT THE KIMBALL TOWERS, THE NEW LITTLE RAINBOW.
SO IT WOULD GIVE THE ABILITY AND GIVE SOME RELIEF FROM THE SUPERVISORS TO DOLL OUT SOME OF THEIR WORK SO THEY CAN CONCENTRATE ON OTHER THINGS.
WOULD BE YOUR FIRST, UH, FULL-TIME POSITION FOR
OH, BUT IT SAYS THAT HERE? UH, NO, THAT'S, ALL OF OUR POSITIONS CAN BE FULL OR PART-TIME.
AND WE HAVE NOT, YOU KNOW, ASSIGNED THIS TO ANY P PERSON.
UM, IT'S JUST FOR CREATION FOR FUTURES.
ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE JOB DESCRIPTION? UH, JUST RIGHT HERE, UH, IT SAYS CPR AND FIRST DAY SHIPPING WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF HIRE.
WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER IF THEY HAD IT ALREADY THAT WAY? UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU DON'T HIRE SOMEBODY AND THEN THEY HAVE TO, UH, RESIGN.
UM, THAT'S A EASY CLASS TO HAVE DONE.
UM, THAT WE CAN GET THEM INVOLVED IN.
SO, BUT WE DON'T WANNA ALSO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT HAS ALL THE PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE, BUT JUST DOESN'T HAVE THAT TO OH, OKAY.
ELIMINATE THEM FROM ACTUALLY GETTING THE POSITION.
SO, AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, UM, YOU SEE THERE AT THE BOTTOM, OUR THIS FOR THE LICENSES ALSO WHERE THE POSSESSION OF VALID CALIFORNIA CLASS B OR OTHER MEANS THAT WOULD ALLOW THE EMPLOYEE TO COMMUTE.
SO WE'RE TALKING, IF THEY DO NOT HAVE A VEHICLE, THEY DON'T HAVE A LICENSE, UM, THEY CAN USE OTHER MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION TO GET THERE.
UM, I, I KNOW THIS IS JUST ANECDOTAL, BUT, UM, I, I'VE HEARD FROM FOLKS WITHIN, UH, RECREATION THAT, UH, A COORDINATOR IS NOT THE SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED.
WELL, WE, WE ARE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THINGS.
UM, WHERE, WHERE IS, WHERE IS THE, THE PUSH FOR A COORDINATOR COMING FROM? IT IS JUST WHAT IS SEEN IN OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF, IN BETWEEN A SPECIALIST AND A SUPERVISOR? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NOTHING.
SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE RECREATION SUPERVISORS MM-HMM
THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO VARIOUS LOCATIONS.
NOBODY FROM STAFF IS, IS MAKING A PUSH TO AGREE THE POSITION.
IT'S JUST A, IT IS COMING FROM THE INTERIM DIRECTOR RIGHT NOW.
HE HAS REVIEWED THE DEPARTMENT AND SAW THAT THERE IS A NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST THIS POSITION.
LIKE I SAID, IT HAS NOT BEEN ASSIGNED FULL-TIME OR PART-TIME.
WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE IT, THAT ABILITY TO ALLOW THE EMPLOYEES TO DO THAT, OR THE DEPARTMENT TO HIRE OTHERS, WHICH ALLOWS DEVELOPMENT OF PART-TIME STAFF THAT MAY HAVE WORKED HERE FOR YEARS, AND TO GET INTO THESE HIGHER LEVEL POSITIONS TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAY, MAY NOT, MAY NOT HAVE CURRENTLY WITH THE CITY.
SO AGAIN, SO THIS COULD BE, THIS COULD BE A PART-TIME POSITION.
WE, WE, WE HAVE OFFICE ASSISTANTS THAT ARE FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME.
WE HAVE, UM, ACCOUNT TECHNICIANS THAT ARE FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME.
SO IT'S JUST A GENERAL TITLE THAT CAN BE UTILIZED FOR BOTH THOSE.
BUT THE EXISTING SUPERVISORS ARE PART-TIME.
OUR SUPERVISORS ARE FULL-TIME.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE FULL-TIME RECREATION SUPERVISORS.
AND, AND THIS WOULD BE A SALARIED POSITION, WHETHER FULL OR PART-TIME? WELL, EITHER WAY, THIS WOULD BE FALL UNDER THE, UM, MEA UNIT.
AND SO THEY WOULD ARE ACTUALLY CONSIDERED, UH, HOURLY.
THEY'RE NOT SALARIED EMPLOYEES.
IT'S OUR MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES ASSOCIATION.
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SAY THAT, THAT I, I, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE, LIKE I REALLY DO, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING A FULL OR PART-TIME POSITION AS A COORDINATOR HOURLY.AND YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TWO, TWO SUPERVISORS RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? WE HAVE THREE.
SO YOU HAVE DELGADO CASTANEDA, WHO'S THE OTHER ONE? UM, ZA, ADA, I THINK THAT'S, I CAN'T PRONOUNCE HER LAST NAME.
SHE'S ASSIGNED TO THE SENIOR CENTER.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT PERSON, BUT BOTH CASTANEDA AND DELGADO HAVE, HAVE, HAVE EXPRESSED TO ME, UH, DEFINITIVELY THAT, THAT THE COURT, THEY PREFER TO HAVE SUPPORT IN OTHER WAYS RATHER THAN BRINGING ON OUR COORDINATOR.
IT'S DEPARTMENT HEAD'S CHOICE.
WHO'S THE DEPARTMENT HEAD? HIS NAME IS TRACY LAMB.
BUT LAMB DIDN'T HAVE ANY, ANY ROLE IN, IN PUSHING THIS? WE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT AND HIS DEPARTMENT, HIM PARTICULARLY, WHAT DEPARTMENT IS HE? DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.
LAMB IS THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES AND HE WORKS IN HR? NO.
HE ASKED WHAT, WHAT DEPARTMENT I'M IN? NO, I ASKED.
NO, HE'S THE COMMUNITY SERVICES INTERIM DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES.
SO WE, WE JUST MET THE REC, UH, I DON'T, IT'S NOT THE REC COORDINATOR BECAUSE REC
THE TWO LADIES FROM LAST NIGHT.
UM, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT THE AGREEANCE.
I MEAN, AFTER SHE THOUGHT SHE WORKED THERE FOR SEVEN YEARS, THAT'S, THAT'S A, EVERY CELL IN HER BODY IS DIFFERENT THAN WHEN SHE STARTED.
YOU KNOW, SHE WORKED THERE SO LONG.
SO I MEAN, LIKE, IF THEY'RE SAYING THEY DON'T WANT A COORDINATOR, UM, BUT IT'S NOT THEIR CHOICE.
A DEPARTMENT HEAD IS IN CHARGE OF THE DEPARTMENT, AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE THE DETERMINATION OF WHAT THE NEEDS ARE OF THE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN WE PREVIOUSLY, THE DEPARTMENT HAD ACTUALLY LIKE, PUT BOOTS ON GROUND IN THE REC CENTERS THERE.
WE ALL, NO, WE ALL, BUT WE'RE ALL WORKING DIRECTLY.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK IT'S THE, I THINK IT, IT, I THINK IT'S A LEGITIMATE THING TO ASK MM-HMM
CONSIDERING THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD, WHAT ARE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT, THAT LAM HAS HAD WITH HIS SUPERVISORS REGARDING, HE HAS LOOKED AT EVERYTHING, BUT OKAY.
BUT YOU HAVE TWO FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE SEVEN, SEVEN YEARS AS SUPERVISORS IN THE DEPARTMENT THAT HAVE EXPRESSED A, A, YOU KNOW, AN OPPOSITION TO A COORDINATOR POSITION BEING BROUGHT IN.
BECAUSE THAT MEANS IS WHAT IS I'M, AND AGAIN, I'M, I, I UNDERSTAND THE HIERARCHY, RIGHT.
AND WHAT, WHAT LAM IS INTERIM, SO IS IS DESIRING.
SO, SO, BUT THAT, THAT SAYS SOMETHING THOUGH.
HOW LONG HAS LYNN BEEN IN FOR? HOLD ON FIRST.
SO YOU WORK AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
YOU GO TO YOUR PRINCIPAL AND TELL THEM, WE NEED THIS POSITION, AND WHAT HAPPENS? DO THEY, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? ARE, ARE YOU ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT POSITIONS ARE BEING CREATED WITHIN YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, WITHIN YOUR SCHOOL? NOT TYPICALLY.
BUT LOOK, THAT'S A CUTE ANALOGY, MAN.
WHAT I'M SAYING, LIKE, OKAY, BUT YOU WANT ME TO JUST, AGAIN, LIKE WE, WE WE'RE STILL THE, WE'RE THE DETERMINERS NOW AT THIS POINT.
BUT I'M JUST GIVING YOU INSIGHT.
SO I, AND I'M JUST SO, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT IT LIKE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT, BUT IF LAMB HAS HAD THE CONVERSATIONS MM-HMM
AND THEY'VE BEEN HONEST ABOUT THAT MM-HMM
THEN THAT MAN, WHY IS LAMB NOT HERE? ONCE AGAIN, HE'S AN INTERIM.
HE'S ONLY ALLOWED TO WORK SO MANY HOURS BECAUSE HE IS A RETIRED ANNUITANT.
BUT THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE LIKE A TIME WHERE YOU COULD MAKE THE TIME FOR LAMB TO BE HERE SO THAT WE COULD HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH LAMB.
'CAUSE THEN MAYBE HE COULD TELL ME, YOU KNOW WHAT, I TALKED WITH CASTANEDA AND I TALKED WITH, WITH, UH, DELGADO, AND HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT, HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
UH, DESPITE THEIR OBJECTIONS TO IT.
I MEAN, THAT'S, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
AND ONCE AGAIN, WE CAN BRING THIS BACK.
I YOU CAN, YOU CAN VOTE ON IT.
AND IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU WANT HIM TO COME BACK IN, WE CAN DO THAT.
HOW LONG TO SEE BEND THE INTERIM DIRECTOR? UM, SO I THINK HE STARTED, I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY BRAIN, SORRY.
UM, LONGER OR SHORTER THAN DELGADO HAS BEEN?
OH, SO, SO HE'S A RETIRED ANNUITANT.
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ANNUITANTS ARE ONLY LIMITED TO 960 HOURS.ABOUT HOW LONG HAS HE BEEN BACK? UM, HE'S BEEN HERE FOR MAYBE TWO TO THREE MONTHS.
ONE THAT IS YOUR, THAT IS YOUR OPINION OF A PERSON THAT IS A RETIREE FROM ANOTHER ORGANIZATION, FROM ANOTHER ORGANIZATION WHERE HE WAS A DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES FOR THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA.
I, I, I WOULDN'T WANT IT TO LIKE IMPLY THAT I'M DISCREDITING LAND.
I'D JUST LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM.
UM, SO IF THIS POSITION IS APPROVED, UH, ARE THEY HIRING FROM LAVIN? ARE WE GOING TO PROVIDE, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE FUNDS FOR THIS POSITION RIGHT NOW FOR THIS PARTICULAR POSITION.
IT, IT IS AGAIN, JUST LIKE THE, UH, JUST LIKE, JUST LIKE THE CORRECT, THE POLICE, SENIOR, SENIOR.
WE'RE GIVING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE FUTURE FOR EMPLOYEES TO MOVE INTO FUTURE POSITIONS WHEN EVERYTHING IS LOOKED AT, INCLUDING BUDGET.
MAYBE WE COULD GET LAND AND DELGADO AND, UM, THE OTHER ONE INTO A ROOM AND JUST ALL THEY, THEY'RE DEALING WITH THEIR OWN, HE DEALS WITH THEM AND, AND REGARDING TO, UH, WHAT THE ORGANIZATION AND HOW IT SHOULD LOOK WITH, BUT THAT, ONCE AGAIN, YOUR GOAL HERE AS CIVIL SERVICE MEMBERS IS TO SAY YAY OR NAY.
IT'S NOT HOW THE ORGANIZATION WORKS.
YOUR, YOUR ROLE AS A CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION MEMBER IS TO APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE JOB DESCRIPTIONS, DISCIPLINARY MATTERS, APPROVING OUR, UH, PERSONNEL REPORT.
I MEAN, I, I WOULD PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THAT, AND THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM IN MY, IN MY OPPOSITION TO, TO THE WORK.
IS THAT PART OF, PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS OF THIS IS AN ASSESSMENT OF, OF, OF, OF THE PROCESS? I MEAN, IT IS, IT'S OF THE POSITION THAT WE'VE PROVIDED TO YOU.
I MEAN, BUT IT'S, IT IS, IT IS IN PART, AGAIN, IN A, OUR ASSESSMENT OF THE INSTITUTION.
NO, NOT IN THAT PARTICULAR, NO, IT'S NOT OF THIS INSTITUTION.
ONCE AGAIN, THAT IS NOT YOUR JOB.
YOUR JOB AS CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION MEMBERS IS TO SAY YAY OR NAY TO THE JOB DESCRIPTIONS.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT ALL, THAT ALL SOUNDS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND, AND, AND, UH, UH, BASIC AND COMMON SENSE.
BUT IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU'RE NOT INFORMED TO DO IT, THEN WHAT'S THEN, THEN AGAIN, IT'S JUST BOX CHECKING.
LIKE IF, IF, IF I NEVER HAD THE, THE ANECDOTAL, UH, INFORMATION OR INTERACTIONS WITH THEM REGARDING IT, AND I'M JUST LISTENING TO YOU, TELL ME ABOUT, AGAIN, THE, THE COMMON SENSE NOTION OF, OF POTENTIAL OF GROWTH IN THE FUTURE, THAT I'D BE LIKE, HMM.
SO, SO I, I, I JUST, TO ME, AGAIN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE BOX CHECKING AND, AND, AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MY COMMENTARY.
SO ANYWAYS, I I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.
IS, IS IS PRODUCTIVE ANYMORE AT THIS POINT? DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING, I MEAN, THIS IS, THERE'S INPUT FROM, UH, OR APPROVAL FROM THE UNION RIGHT? ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, RIGHT? OR IS IT JUST THEY THEY RECEIVED IT.
AND THEY, THEY OBVIOUSLY, IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT, THEY'LL, THEY WOULD LET ME KNOW AND IT WOULDN'T EVEN SHOW UP TO YOU.
SO WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, IS ALL OF THIS STUFF ALREADY GETTING DONE? AND IF NOT, THEN WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE RECREATION? ALL OF THIS, I MEAN, PLANNING, COORDINATING, UH, ACTIVITIES, UM, PROGRAMS, UM, COMMUNITY SERVICES PROGRAMS, UH, ENFORCE RULES, YOU KNOW, DIRECT COORDINATION.
BUT ALL THIS STUFF SEEMS JUST LIKE WHAT'S PROBABLY ALREADY BEING DONE.
IF IT IS NOT BEING DONE, THEN WE JUST DON'T HAVE DIRECT, I DON'T SEE HOW THE EXISTING EMPLOYEES ARE ALREADY PLANNING, DEVELOPING, COORDINATING.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CREATE POSITIONS THAT FREEZE UP THE SUPERVISORS TO DO OTHER THINGS.
WHAT OTHER THINGS? CREATION OF ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS AND SUCH.
SO THEY CREATE THE PROGRAMS, THEY CREATE THE CALENDARS.
THEY, THEY DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THE SUPERVISORS, UH, IT FREES THEM UP TO DO MORE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, BUT THE SUPERVISORS ARE SAYING THEY DON'T NEED THAT.
AND THEN THIS, THIS PROGRAM, DIRECT PROGRAM HAS BEEN OPERATING FOR, I'M ASSUMING PROBABLY MOST OF MY LIFE WITHOUT MM-HMM
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I, I, I'M, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION.
I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE BRING THE RECREATION PROGRAM COORDINATOR BACK WITH, UH, WITH INTERIM, UH, DIRECTOR LA OR WHOEVER, WHOEVER IS IN THE POSITION AT THE TIME WHEN, WHEN THIS IS, WHEN THIS CAN HAPPEN.
SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION BASED ON AT LEAST THAT DETAIL.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I, I SECOND THAT.
UH, I WAS JUST SAY THE, BEFORE WE GO, THEY, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE UNION PUTS INPUT INTO THESE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LIKE SHE SAID YEAH.
THEY DON'T, THEY, THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THEIR WORKERS.
THEY, THEY WON'T APPROVE IT AND IT DOESN'T GET TO HER.
BUT I MEAN, BUT I THINK I'M, I'M FINE WITH HIM COMING.
EVERYBODY ELSE HAS BEEN REPRESENTING THEIR DEPARTMENT.
OR SOMEBODY THAT HE CAN SEND, I GUESS THAT'S SUPERVISOR
SO WE'LL BRING IT BACK IN JULY.
SO THE FINAL ONE IS THE CHANGING OF THE CURRENT CITY LIBRARIAN TITLE.
UM, THAT'S WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY STATED.
BUT TO GET IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE DIRECTORS HERE IN NATIONAL CITY IS TO CHANGE IT TO DIRECTOR OF LIBRARY SERVICES AND UPDATING OF THE JOB DESCRIPTION.
BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LAST TIME IT WAS UPDATED WAS IN 1973.
THIS HAS COME TO US BEFORE THE, NO, NO, IT'S NOT THE ONE WHERE, UM, THE PREVIOUSLY RESOURCE DIRECTOR, WE WAS GONNA BRING IT BACK LATER ON.
IT A DIFFERENT POSITION THEN IT, OKAY.
SO, SO THERE WAS SOME TURMOIL ADMINIS.
SO, SO YOU HAD, PREVIOUSLY YOU HAD ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES DIRECTOR WHO WAS OVER HR AND FINANCE.
AND THEN YOU HAD A, I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT TITLE WAS, BUT SHE WAS OVER COMMUNITY SERVICES AND THE LIBRARY.
AND SO THERE WAS SOME, UH, WE HAD A HEARING WHERE THERE WAS SOME PROBLEMS BECAUSE THE, UH, CHRISTIAN WAS EMBEZZLING FROM THE SENIOR CENTER.
THE NUTRITION CENTER AND THE, AND THE DIRECT, OR NOT, THE OTHER PERSON THAT WAS IN CHARGE OF LIBRARY SERVICES WAS COMPLETELY IGNORING IT.
OH, I, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
SO, SO THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO, I THINK THAT THAT LIBRARIAN RESIGNED.
AND THEY SAID, WELL, THEY SAID, WELL, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AT THE TIME, THE PERSON THAT WAS HERE WITH US MM-HMM
SAID THAT THEY WERE GONNA REDO THIS AND, AND BRING IT BACK.
SO I WOULD IMAGINE THIS IS IT BECAUSE THEY WANTED BETTER SUPERVISION, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THIS IS, AND ONCE AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S CHANGING THE TITLE.
THE TITLE IS JUST TO FALL IN LINE WITH OTHER AGENCIES AND OUR CITY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE THE PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEERING DIRECTOR, WE HAVE THE, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, FINANCE DIRECTOR.
SO THIS IS MAKING THIS THE LIBRARY, THE DIRECTOR OF LIBRARY SERVICES AND ONCE AGAIN, UPDATING THE ACTUAL DUTIES OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
IS THERE A NEW LIBRARY? IS THERE SOMEBODY THERE? YOU HAVE DANNY.
DANIELLE GEO, SHE WAS APPOINTED TO THE POSITION.
I THINK IT WAS EXACTLY FOR A WHILE.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT SITUATION, CORRECT.
IT WAS FILLED BACK IN SEPTEMBER.
SO, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS COMPARED TO OTHER AGENCIES TO MAKE IT CORRECT AS TO THE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING VERSUS 1973 LANGUAGE.
SO YOU, THEY CHANGED THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATION FOR THE, UH, DIRECTOR OF LIBRARIES,
THAT'S PROBABLY THE VERY TOP OF THE LIBRARY PROJECT.
THEY CHANGED IT FROM A BACHELOR'S DEGREE TO A MASTER'S DEGREE, UH, IN LIBRARY SCIENCE FROM A COLLEGE ACCREDITED BY THE A LA.
YEAH, BUT A BACHELOR'S DEGREE, THAT'S LIKE FOUR YEARS.
AND A MASTER'S DEGREE IS IS ANOTHER TWO.
THAT JUST, THAT'S SEEMS LIKE A LOT, LOOKS LIKE NOWADAYS ARE WOULD'VE BEEN MASTER'S DEGREE.
JUST EVEN A LIBRARIAN HAS A MASTER'S DEGREE IN, UH, LIBRARY SCIENCE.
SO THE, THE CURRENT LIBRARY MM-HMM
THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT PERSON IN THIS POSITION.
SO YOU CAN SEE, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS EXTREMELY OUTDATED.
I DON'T THINK SOME OF YOU WERE EVEN BORN AT THAT POINT.
I WAS, I WAS ONLY THREE THOUGH.
I WAS THREE FOUR IN MY PHONE ON
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QUESTION.UH, BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED PREVIOUSLY, AND WE HAVE THAT HEARING, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
UH, IT IS NOT EVEN, IT MAY BE IRRELEVANT.
BUT THEN LIBRARY SERVICES STILL HANDLING THE NUTRITION CENTER? NO.
THAT'S UNDER COMMUNITY SERVICES NOW.
SO THEY WOULD BE STRICTLY INVOLVED WITH THE LIBRARY, THE LIBRARY PROGRAMS, AND THAT'S IT.
TO AVOID SITUATIONS LIKE THAT WHERE LIKE WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU PUT A DIRECTOR IN CHARGE OF TWO DEPARTMENTS YEAH.
IT'S HARD TO CONCENTRATE ON JUST ONE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S IS WHY THIS OCCURRED.
IS LIKE I SAID, TITLE CHANGE, BUT ACTUALLY ALSO THE MEAN OF IT IS TO GET IT UP TO DATE TO THE CURRENT STANDARDS.
SO THERE'S A NEW CALIFORNIA LAW THAT RE STATES.
UM, IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR ALL POSITIONS UNLESS IT'S A, IT IS ONE OF THEIR ACTUAL FUNCTIONS DRIVING FROM FACILITY TO FACILITY TO FACILITY, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND ALSO SHE COULD, IF SHE DID NOT HAVE A VEHICLE, ONCE AGAIN, SHE COULD GET AROUND BY USING OTHER MEANS.
SO, SO WE'RE TRYING TO REMOVE THAT FOR THOSE POSITIONS THAT DO NOT REQUIRE THEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? NO, NO.
I'M, I'M GLAD IT ACTUALLY UPDATED AND ALL THAT 'CAUSE IT WHAT WE SAW PREVIOUSLY HAPPENED.
SO, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY.
MAKE A MOTION THEN TO MOVE THE TITLE CHANGE.
UM, LIBRARIAN TO DIRECTOR OF LIBRARY SERVICES.
SO FINAL THING FOR ME TONIGHT IS THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION ANNUAL REPORT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA DO IT WHILE I AM STILL HERE OR IF YOU WANNA WAIT TO CREATE NEW GOALS FOR YOU FOR NEXT YEAR.
I WILL LEAVE IT FOR THE CHAIR SINCE HE'S REPRESENTING THE YOU'RE GOING UP IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, RIGHT? YEAH.
VICE WE, WE CHATTED, EXCUSE ME, UM, ABOUT DOING IT IN AUGUST, WHICH IS FINE.
UM, SO MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT THE END OF THE JULY MEETING.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DONE LIKE, UH, ANY GOAL SETTING FOR THE, FOR THE COMMISSION BEFORE, SO, RIGHT.
AND, AND SOME OF THOSE GOALS COULD BE UPDATING NEXT YEAR, 10 MORE JOB DESCRIPTIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, UPDATING SOME OF THE CIVIL SERVICE RULES, THINGS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UH, SO
TO BRING SOMEBODY FROM THE COMMUNITY IN.
SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT IN JULY THEN.
ARE WE STILL MEETING TOMORROW? SO, NO, IT'S, NO, THAT, THAT WAS THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP THAT, UM, THAT AGAIN, BUT WE HAVE MENTION WHAT WE, SO FOR FIRST OF ALL, COUNT, WELL SORT OF CLOSED SESSION, RIGHT? CANCEL THE CLOSED SESSION.
WE, WE, WE NEED, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CANCELING ITEM EIGHT, WHICH IS CLOSED SESSION BECAUSE, UH, AGAIN, BOTH PARTIES AGREED TO, UH, SUSPEND THE HEARING.
UH, STIPULATING THAT A RESOLUTION YEAH.
WOULD BE WORKED OUT BETWEEN THE APPELLANT AND THE CITY.
SO, UH, ANY COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? YEAH.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO GO OFF RECORD.
I WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT PATTY.
WELL, WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE ADJOURN? OH, OKAY.
SO ANY, THEN THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS POINT.
SO, UH, SO JUST, JUST AGAIN, OUR, OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS JULY 9TH.
AND AGAIN, AT THE END OF, OF THAT MEETING, WE CAN BRAINSTORM ABOUT, UM, SO MAYBE BRING IDEAS THERE IF YOU HAVE ANY.
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? A A I NEED TO STOP THE RECORDING NOW.