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[00:00:06]

NOW

[Call To Order]

6:00 PM AND I AM CALLING, UM, I CALL THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL, CITY OF APRIL 21ST, 2025 AT 6:00 PM TO ORDER A LIVE WEBCAST OF THIS MEETING MAY BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AT HTTP PS SLASH SLASH WWW.NATIONALCITYCACA.GOV/WEBCAST.

THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE NA CITY OF NATIONAL CITY'S WEBSITE INFORM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.

FIRST, BY EMAIL AT PLC P-U-B-C-O-M-M-E-N T@NATIONALCITYCA.GOV, NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING.

SECOND VIA ZOOM BY PREREGISTERING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING.

AT HTTPS SLASH SLASH WWW.NATIONALCITYCA.GOV/PUBLIC COMMENT SEC.

SECOND, OOPS.

THIRD, THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE COMMENTS IN PERSON.

ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED WILL BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS APPROPRIATE PRIOR TO THEIR RESPECTIVE MEETINGS AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY WEBSITE.

IF RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE, I REQUEST THE PLANNING COMMISSION SECRETARY, NOW PROCEED WITH THE ROLL CALL.

OKAY.

GOT IT.

VICE CHAIR CASTLE.

CASTLE PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER MENTA PRESENT, COMMISSIONER KIONE PRESENT, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN PRESENT, COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA HERE BY, UH, CHAIR MILLER AND COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ.

ABSENT.

THANK YOU, SECRETARY.

UM, I WILL NOW LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, IF YOU WILL, PLEASE ALL STAND RIGHT HAND OVER YOUR HEARTS.

READY TO BEGIN.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

YOU MAY BE SEATED.

WE WILL NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS OR MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW.

WE CANNOT RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND ITEMS REQUIRING PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION.

THESE ITEMS MUST BE BROUGHT BACK ON A SUBSEQUENT AGENDA UNLESS THEY ARE OF A DEMONSTRATED EMERGENCY OR URGENT NATURE.

MADAM SECRETARY, ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA? YES, WE DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS.

THANK YOU.

UH, THE, THE SPEAKERS ARE NOW GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ONE MINUTE ON ALL COMMENTS THIS EVENING.

WE WILL NOW BEGIN CONSIDERATIONS.

NO.

SO YOU WILL HAVE TO CALL, SO YES.

AND THEN HAVE THEM COME UP, AND THEN WE'LL START THE TIMER.

PERFECT.

I CALLED DOYLE MORRISON TO BE FOLLOWED BY ALICIA MORRISON.

HELLO, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF, UH, PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE.

UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE, UM, THE DECEMBER 2ND MEETING VERY, VERY MUCH THE DEPTH THAT ALL OF YOU COMMISSIONERS, UH, WENT INTO TO LOOK AT A PARTICULAR PROJECT, UM, WITH MANY QUESTIONS TO BRING UP YOUR CONCERNS AS WELL.

SO I, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I ALSO HAVE BROUGHT UP AN UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK ON THAT PROPERTY AS SWEETWATER AND ORANGE AND, UM, STAFF.

I, I KNOW IT'S REAL DIFFICULT, UM, TO NAVIGATE SOMETIMES, UM, LOOKING THROUGH ALL OF THE STUFF ONLINE, BUT, UM, MYSELF AND MY WIFE, WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME RESEARCH AND, UM, WE'VE BEEN FINDING SOME STUFF THAT WE'RE, UM, PRESENTING TO Y'ALL.

I HOPE YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

ANYTHING ELSE COMES UP, WE'LL BRING THAT IN FRONT.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, ALICIA MORRISON.

SO

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I SUBMITTED A COMMENT ONLINE, AND I HOPE YOU'VE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT AND SEE SOME OF THE PICTURES.

UM, LIKE MY HUSBAND SAID, WE DID, UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME RESEARCH BECAUSE I KNOW AT THE DECEMBER MEETING, UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE, YOU DID ASK STAFF IF, IF RESEARCH HAD BEEN DONE.

SO I THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE IN, IN TRYING TO FIND WHAT WE CAN, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE THAT THAT WAS IN EXISTENCE.

SO I DID GO TO THE COUNTY RECORDER'S OFFICE AND I PULLED UP SOME OF UNCLE HOWARD'S MECHANICS LIENS THAT HE HAD, UM, INDICATING THAT HIS BUSINESS WAS IN EXISTENCE.

AND THEN I HAD ALSO, UH, SUBSCRIBED TO ARIEL PHOTO SURVEYS, AND YOU CAN SEE AN ASPHALT AREA GOING TO THE QUONSET HUT WHERE THE GAS DISPENSER WAS INSTALLED.

UM, AND OVER TIME, YOU CAN SEE WHEN THE GAS, UH, THING WAS REMOVED, YOU CAN SEE VEGETATION GROWING WHERE IT HAD BEEN REMOVED TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE WILL NOW BEGIN CONSIDERATION ON THE ITEMS OF TONIGHT'S REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

AGENDA ITEM ONE IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA FOR THE REGULAR.

RANDY, I'M SORRY, CAN I SPEAK JUST A, UH, IS, UH,

[PUBLIC COMMENT]

UH, JUST A PLAIN REGULAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

CAN I PUT MY, YOU COULD PUT IT, UM, I'LL, YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

PLEASE DO IT RIGHT AFTER.

YEAH, SO YOU CAN TALK RIGHT NOW AND THEN JUST GIMME THE SLIP AFTER.

ALRIGHT, THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S FINE.

MIKA, COME ON UP.

THANK YOU.

UM, I HAVE POLICY NUMBER 1 0 4 UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, MANUAL THAT SAYS, UH, SPEAKER SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ITEMS WHICH APPEAR ON THE AGENDA.

SUBJECT UP TO THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT AT EACH REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING, UP TO 30 MINUTES SHALL BE RESERVED FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. THE CITY CLERK WILL REVIEW THE SPEAKER SLIPS AND INFORM THE PRE PRESIDING OFFICER.

30 MINUTES IS ALLOTTED TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND YET WE'RE BEING REDUCED TO ONE MINUTE.

IF THERE'S ONLY 10 SPEAKERS HERE, SHOULDN'T WE AT LEAST HAVE TWO MINUTES, THREE MINUTES? I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ONLY GET ONE MINUTE.

THAT'S A CONCERN OF CENSORSHIP, OF WE HAVE THE RIGHT AND THE FREEDOM OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO EXPRESS OURSELVES.

AND ONE MINUTE IS JUST NOT ENOUGH.

SO I'M JUST ASKING ALL OF YOU TO PLEASE RECONSIDER THE THREE MINUTE.

DON'T DO IT LIKE RON IS DOING IT WHERE HE TRIES TO CENSOR US.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

WE WILL NOW BEGIN CONSIDERATION ON THE ITEMS OF TONIGHT'S REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

AGENDA ITEM

[1. Approval of the Agenda for the Meeting on April 21, 2025 ]

ONE IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA OF THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF APRIL 21ST, 2025.

IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, DO I HEAR A MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION BY CLAUDIA VALENZUELA AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER AMINTA TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE MOTION APPROVE FOR YES.

ONE ABSTAINED BY COMMISSIONER FOREMAN AND COMM, UH, CHAIR MILLER AND COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ OPSIN.

THANK YOU, MS. SECRETARY.

ITEM

[2. Approval of Minutes from the Meeting of March 3, 2025 ]

TWO ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF MARCH 3RD, 2025.

IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION, DO I HAVE A MOTION? UH, VICE CHAIR.

WE DO HAVE SPEAKERS FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, I BELIEVE SO WE CAN TAKE THEIR PUBLIC COMMENTS FIRST AND THEN WE CAN GO INTO VOTE.

OKAY? MM-HMM .

OKAY.

I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO.

UH, FIRST STEP IS DOLE MORRISON.

HI.

I BELIEVE, UM, ON THAT AGENDA, YOU WERE, UH, IT WAS GONNA BE TO, UH, ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION, AND I MAY BE MISTAKEN ON THAT, BUT IF I'M NOT, UM, THE RESOLUTION THAT I'VE SEEN, UM, WAS NEVER SIGNED.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE A SIGNED COPY OF IT WHERE THE VOTES WERE ADMINISTERED ON IT.

UM, RIGHT HERE, THE COPY I HAVE, THERE'S

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NOTHING, IT'S NOT BEEN FILLED OUT AND, AND SIGNED.

AND, UM, ALSO, THERE WAS SOME MISTAKES.

I BELIEVE, UH, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WERE IN OPPOSITION AND IT WAS PUT THAT THEY WERE, UH, NEUTRAL OR IN FAVOR.

THANK YOU.

NEXT UP I HAVE ALEXANDER UTI, G GURU.

OKAY.

JOB GUT.

OKAY.

GOT IT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

UM, TO GO OFF WHAT DOYLE WAS SAYING, I HAVE RESOLUTION, IT'S 2024 DASH 20 MM-HMM .

UM, AND IT'S FOR THE SWEETWATER ROAD PROJECT THAT WAS DEEMED BY THIS COMMISSION TO BE A PUBLIC HEALTH NUISANCE.

HOWEVER, IF YOU FLIP TO THE LAST PAGE, THERE'S NO NAYS, THERE'S NO EYES.

IT'S NOT SIGNED BY THE CHAIRPERSON.

WHAT WE NEED IS A DEFINITIVE STATEMENT THAT'S DENYING THIS PROJECT THAT WAS DEEMED TO BE A PUBLIC HEALTH NUISANCE.

AND FURTHER ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY, THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES, IT STATES THAT LUISA MCCARTHY, MCKAYLA PALANGO, AND FRANK RIVERA WERE IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM.

HOWEVER, THIS IS FALSE.

UH, SO IT NEEDS TO BE A CORRECTION FOR THOSE TWO ITEMS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

NEXT UP I HAVE, UH, LOUISA MCCARTHY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

UH, YES.

I JUST WANNA PIGGYBACK WHAT ALEX HAS MENTIONED, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING CLEAR, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR QUESTIONS.

AND SO IF WE'RE ALL ON THE RIGHT PAGE, THIS IS SOMETHING I'M LEARNING.

IT'S TAKEN ME MONTHS TO UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS, AND THIS IS WITH AN, A FIRM OF, OF AN ATTORNEY.

AND, UH, IT'S STILL TO ME QUITE QUESTIONABLE ON HOW THE PROCESS HERE IN NATIONAL CITY IS DONE.

IT NEEDS TO BE DETAILED, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR, AND IT NEEDS TO BE CONCISE.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THANK YOU.

NEXT STEP.

I HAVE ALICIA MORRISON TO BE FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL AGUIRE.

OKAY.

SO SAME THING.

I DID WATCH THE VIDEO AGAIN OF THAT DECEMBER 2ND MEETING, AND, UH, THERE WAS A VOTE ON IT AND THE PROJECT WAS DENIED.

AND THEN I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN IS THAT THE, THE COPY THAT'S PRESENTED, THERE'S NO VOTES ON THERE, AND IT'S NOT SIGNED OFF.

AND I THOUGHT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS ONCE A VOTE GOES IN, IT GOES TO THE CLERK AND IT GETS SIGNED AND CERTIFIED OR SOMETHING, UM, BEFORE IT GETS, UM, SO THAT WHEN PUBLIC RECORDS ARE REQUESTED THAT IT'S VERIFIED THE SAME, LIKE WHEN THEY DO A PUBLICATION, THEY CERTIFY, YES, I'M THE ONE THAT CERTIFIED THIS AND, AND PUBLISHED IT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

MICHAEL AGIRI TO BE FOLLOWED BY MLA POLANCO, THAT COMMISSIONER NUS I SEE OVER THERE.

I THINK WE HAVEN'T SEEN EACH OTHER FOR A LONG TIME.

SPECIAL, SPECIAL, HELLO TO YOU.

UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION AFTER DECEMBER 2ND BECAUSE THE, UH, GAS STATION SWEETWATER PROJECT WENT TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE SPECIAL MEETING, NOT THE REGULAR MEETING.

AND IT WENT THERE WITHOUT THE BACKUP AND WITHOUT THE RESOLUTION SIGNED.

AND THERE WAS CONFUSION.

WE WON'T GET INTO WHETHER WHO WAS RIGHT OR WHO WAS WRONG, BUT THERE WAS CONFUSION ON MARCH THE THIRD, WHICH WE FELT THAT'S WHEN THE, UH, SHOULD HAVE GONE TO THE COUNCIL AS WELL.

MARCH THE THIRD, UH, IT CAME BACK AND IT HAD, UH, A LOT OF THE CLARIFICATIONS.

THERE WERE A FEW MISTAKES.

IF THIS CAN GET SIGNED AND THE VOTE IS CAST, IT'S GONNA HELP A LOT.

AND WE'LL, WE'LL PUT, IT'LL PUT IT TO BED.

SO IF, IF YOU TIME, IF YOU'LL DO THAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

MIC POLANCO.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THIS IS WHAT THANK YOU.

HAS NOT BEEN SIGNED.

THANK YOU.

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SO THAT'S THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA FOR THE MEETING ON APRIL 21ST, 2025.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THESE RESOLUTION 2024.

UH, WHY HASN'T BEEN SIGNED? WE DON'T KNOW.

THERE'S A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED, AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION.

AND YOU'RE NOT TO BLAME.

I'M NOT TRYING TO BLAME ANYBODY.

I'M TRYING TO ATTACK THE PROBLEM AND NOT THE PEOPLE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO YOUR VERY, VERY BEST, BUT YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE DIVED INTO A LOT OF THESE THINGS MYSELF AND TO YOUR OWN POLICIES THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE IMPARTIALITY IN, IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.

SO, UM, I'M JUST WANTING TO GET, UH, TIME RESOLUTION.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

MUCH APPRECIATED.

AND THAT IS ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE ON ITEM NUMBER TWO.

UM, IF I CAN REQUEST, EXCUSE ME, DEPUTY ATTORNEY.

UM, HAVE YOU SEEN THIS? ARE YOU ABLE YEAH, I'VE, IF THAT'S THE C THE, IS IT THE RESOLUTION? IT'S, THERE YOU GO.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MLA.

IF YOU'VE SEEN THAT.

YEAH.

DO YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE A SIGNED COPY OF THAT SOMEWHERE? YEAH, IT HAS BEEN SIGNED.

UM, I BELIEVE IT'S ONLINE UNDER OUR LASER FISH PROGRAM.

OKAY.

IF WE CAN JUST MAKE SURE IF MAYBE, UM, SECRETARY, UH, ESSENTIA HERE CAN GET, GET A LINK OF THAT AND BE ABLE TO POSSIBLY GIVE IT TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REQUESTING THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THAT'S FINE.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

MOVING ON.

UM, ITEM TWO ON, UM, ON, THIS IS ITEM ONE, ITEM TWO ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF MARCH 3RD, 2025.

IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION, UH, COMMISSIONERS, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I DO HAVE, UH, I, I CALL, I CALL COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.

YEAH.

SO DO, DO WE HAVE A CORRECT, DO WE NEED TO MAKE AN, UM, AN ADJUSTMENT OR AMENDMENT TO THE MINUTES? WAS THERE A MISTAKE? NO, THERE WAS NOT.

THEY WERE TALKING IN REGARDS TO THE DECEMBER 2ND MINUTES.

GOT IT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I, I CALL, UH, COMMISSIONER ARMA.

UH, THINK MR. DOYLE, YOU OR ALICIA, ONE OF YOU, UH, MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT A PROPOSED VACATION THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING INCORRECT ABOUT THAT ON TO, ON THE MEETING MINUTES.

NO.

DID I JUST UNDERSTAND WRONG? IT WAS ON THAT MEETING.

THAT WAS THE DECEMBER 2ND, DECEMBER MINUTES SECOND, AND THAT ONE WAS ALREADY FIXED.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL.

DO I HAVE A, UH, A MOTION BY ANY COMMISSIONER TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? I HAVE A MOTION BY, UH, COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? BY ARMENTA? WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMM COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARMA TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

COMMISSIONER ARMA.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE, UH, MOTION APPROVED FOUR YESES, ONE ABSTAINED BY COMMISSIONER, FOREMAN AND CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ EPSON.

THANK YOU.

WE WILL

[3. CEQA Training. ]

NOW MOVE ON TO PRESENTATIONS.

ITEM NUMBER THREE IS CQA TRAINING.

I INVITE THE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION.

OKAY, , MAKE SURE I KNOW HOW TO USE THE CLICKER.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND COMMISSIONERS.

I'M ASHLYN LUTZ.

I'M THE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.

UH, TONIGHT'S PLANNING COMMISSION TRAINING IS GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CQA.

TONIGHT IS JUST GONNA BE A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF CQA.

WHAT'S THE PURPOSE, HOW IT WORKS,

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KIND OF THE STEPS THAT STAFF TAKES WHEN THEY EVALUATE A CQA, UM, PRO A SE A, A PROJECT THAT NEEDS CQA REVIEW.

UM, SO THIS IS JUST GONNA BE VERY HIGH LEVEL.

UH, SO TONIGHT'S TRAINING, OR WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON CQA, LIKE I SAID, AND WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THE HISTORY SLASH PURPOSE, THE PROCESS, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY EXEMPTIONS, AND THEN LEVELS OF REVIEW.

SO FIRST, UM, THE QUA WAS SIGNED INTO LAW BY GOVERNOR RONALD REAGAN ON SEPTEMBER 17TH, 1970.

A LOT HAS CHANGED BETWEEN THEN AND NOW.

UH, CQL REQUIREMENTS CAN BE FOUND IN STATUTE, IN THE PUBLIC RESOURCES CODE, AND IN THE STATE CQL GUIDELINES CAN BE FOUND IN THE TITLE 14 CALIFORNIA CODE OF OF REGULATIONS.

AND ALSO IN CASE LAW, AN AGENCY BY LAW MUST NOT MAKE A DISCRETIONARY DECISION THAT MAY ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT BEFORE THE AGENCY HAS COMPLIED WITH CQA.

THE CQA PROCESS IS INTENDED TO INFORM GOVERNMENT DECISION MAKERS AND THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS OF A PROPOSED ACTIVITY, AS WELL AS IDENTIFY THE WAYS THAT ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS CAN BE AVOIDED OR SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED THAT PREVENT SIGNIFICANT AVOIDABLE ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE BY REQUIRING CHANGES IN PROJECTS BY EITHER ADOPTING ALTERNATIVES OR IMPOSING MITIGATION MEASURES, AND TO DISCLOSE TO THE PUBLIC WHY A PROJECT WAS APPROVED.

IF THAT PROJECT HAS SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, THAT CANNOT BE MITIGATED TO A LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT LEVEL.

SO THE VERY FIRST STEP IN THE SQA PROCESS IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE ACTION IS CONSIDERED A PROJECT UNDER CQA.

A PROJECT IS DEFINED UNDER CQA AS AN ACTION SUBJECT TO A PUBLIC AGENCY'S DISCRETIONARY FUNDING OR APPROVAL THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO EITHER CAUSE A DIRECT PHYSICAL CHANGE IN THE ENVIRONMENT OR CAUSE A REASONABLY FORESEEABLE INDIRECT PHYSICAL CHANGE IN THE VI IN THE ENVIRONMENT.

UH, CQA ONLY APPLIES TO DISCRETIONARY ACTIONS.

UH, IF THE PROPOSED ACTIVITY IS DETERMINED TO BE A PROJECT UNDER CQA, THE FOLLOWING THREE STEPS ARE USUALLY TAKEN.

ONE, THE DE TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE PROJECT FALLS, FALLS UNDER A STATUTORY OR CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION.

IF IT'S NOT EXEMPT, PREPARE, PREPARE AN INITIAL STUDY TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE PROJECT MIGHT RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS.

AND THEN, DEPENDING UPON THE OUTCOME OF THE INITIAL STUDY, PREPARE EITHER A NEGATIVE DECLARATION MITIGATED NE NEGATIVE DECLARATION OR AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.

AND I'M GONNA GO INTO MORE DETAIL INTO EACH OF THESE STEPS NEXT.

SO, STEP ONE IS, DOES AN EXEMPTION APPLY? THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF EXEMPTIONS.

THERE'S STATUTORY EXEMPTIONS AND CATEGORICAL EXEMPTIONS.

UH, STATUTORY EXEMPTIONS ARE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED FROM CQA CONSIDERATION BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE QUALIFY FOR STATUTORY EXEMPTION.

THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS ARE EXEMPT FROM CQA REGARDLESS OF THE PROJECT'S POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON THE ENVIRONMENT.

SOME EXAMPLES OF A STATUTORY EXEMPTION IS FOR FEASIBILITY AND PLANNING STUDIES, SOME ADOPTIONS OF COASTAL PLANS AND PROGRAMS, MINISTERIAL PROJECTS AND EMERGENCY PROJECTS.

UH, STATUTORY EXEMPTIONS ARE NOT AS COMMON, SO YOU WILL NOT SEE THEM AS OFTEN.

THE ONE THAT YOU WILL SEE THE MOST AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS CATEGORICAL EXEMPTIONS.

UH, THESE ARE CREATED THROUGH THE REGULATORY PROCESS AND ARE FOUND IN THE SQA GUIDELINES.

UH, THERE ARE 33 CATEGORICAL EXEMPTIONS.

UM, CATEGORICAL EXEMPTIONS GENERALLY WILL NOT APPLY, THOUGH IF THERE'S A REASONABLE POSSIBILITY OF A SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON THE ENVIRONMENT DUE TO AN UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE OR THE COMMUNAL CUMULATIVE IMPACTS WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT OR THE PROJECT WILL HAVE IMPACTS ON A UNIQUELY SENSITIVE ENVIRONMENT.

AND ON THE NEXT SCREEN, I'M GONNA HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE THAT CATEGORICAL EXEMPTIONS THAT WE SEE A LOT HERE IN THE CITY.

BUT IF THE PROJECT IS DETERMINED TO BE STATUTORY EXEMPT OR CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT, AND THE PROJECT IS APPROVED, A NOTICE OF EXEMPTION IS TO BE FILED, UM, WITH THE COUNTY CLERK AND THE STATE CLEARING HOUSE, UM, THAT IT'LL TRIGGER A 35 DAY STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS.

IF A NOTICE OF EXEMPTION IS NOT FILED WITHIN FIVE WORKING DAYS FROM THE APPROVAL, THEN THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS FOR CHALLENGE UNDER SQL IS 180 DAYS.

SO THE THREE CATEGORICAL EXEMPTIONS THAT WE WILL SEE THE MOST HERE IN THE CITY.

UM, THE FIRST ONE IS THE CLASS 32 INFILL PROJECTS.

UH, THIS WILL, THIS IS MAY BE USED FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE ON SITES THAT ARE LESS THAN FIVE ACRES WITHIN CITY LIMITS, SURROUNDED BY URBAN USES.

THE PROJECT MUST MEET THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

THEY MUST, THE PROJECT MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE, APPLICABLE

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GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION AND ALL APPLICABLE GENERAL PLAN POLICIES, AS WELL AS WITH THE APPLICABLE ZONING DESIGNATION AND REGULATIONS.

THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT MUST OCCUR WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS ON A PROJECT SITE OF NO MORE THAN FIVE ACRES, SUBSTANTIALLY SURROUNDED BY URBAN USES.

AND THE PROJECT SITE HAS NO VALUE AS HABITAT FOR ENDANGERED, RARE, OR THREATENED SPECIES.

AND THE APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT WOULD NOT RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT EFFECTS RELATING TO TRAFFIC, NOISE, AIR QUALITY, OR WATER QUALITY.

AND LASTLY, THE SITE CAN BE ADEQUATELY SERVED BY ALL REQUIRED UTILITIES AND PUBLIC SERVICES.

I WANNA NOTE THAT DURING THIS, IF ANY MITIGATION MEASURES ARE REQUIRED DURING THIS PROCESS, THAT WILL IMMEDIATELY MAKE THE PROJECT NOT EXEMPT ANYMORE, IT WOULD REQUIRE A HIGHER LEVEL OF REVIEW AT THAT POINT.

UH, THIS NOT ONLY APPLIES TO THE CLASS, 32 APPLIES TO ALL, UM, CATEGORICAL EXEMPTIONS.

SO CLASS ONE IS ONE THAT WE ALSO SEE QUITE FREQUENTLY.

IT'S FOR EXISTING FACILITIES.

IT CONSISTS OF THE OPERATION REPAIR, MAINTENANCE PERMITTING, LEASING LICENSING, OR MINOR ALTERATION OF EXISTING PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STRUCTURES OR FACILITIES.

AND I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IF THIS ONE COMES BEFORE YOU, AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS EXEMPTION IS THE LINE HERE.

THE USE MUST NOT INVOLVE NEGLIGIBLE, OR EXCUSE ME, THE EXEMPTION IS, INVOLVES NEGLIGIBLE OR NO EXPANSION OF EXISTING OR FORMER USE.

SO I RECOMMEND IF THIS IS BEFORE YOU AND YOU WANNA EVALUATE, THAT IS THE KEY LINE TO REMEMBER TO LOOK AT, TO DETERMINE IF THAT, IF WE'VE COVERED THAT IN THE RECORD APPROPRIATELY.

AND THEN JUST AN EXAMPLE, WE USE THIS A LOT FOR ALCOHOL CS.

THE NEXT ONE IS CLASS THREE, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES.

UH, THIS CONSISTS OF CONSTRUCTION AND LOCATION OF LIMITED NUMBER OF NEW SMALL FACILITIES OR STRUCTURES, INSTALLATION OF NEW, OF SMALL, NEW EQUIPMENT AND FACILITIES OR STRUCTURES, AND THE CONVERSION OF EXISTING SMALL STRUCTURES FROM ONE USE TO ANOTHER, WHERE ONLY MINOR MODIFICATIONS ARE MADE TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE.

SO THIS WOULD ALLOW EITHER A ONE SINGLE FAMILY UNIT OR A SECOND UNIT, OR A DUPLEX OR SIMILAR MULTI-FAMILY USE WITH NO WITH UP TO FOUR UNITS.

HOWEVER, IN URBANIZED AREAS, ADDITIONAL UNITS ARE ALLOWED, SO UP TO THREE SINGLE FAMILY OR SIX MULTI-FAMILY UNITS.

AND I DO KNOW THAT I BELIEVE WE HAVE A PROJECT UPCOMING THAT IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THIS EXEMPTION.

SO NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS IS IF THE EXEMPTION, IF THE PRODUCT DOESN'T FALL UNDER EXEMPTION, THE LEAD AGENCY GENERALLY WILL PREPARE AN INITIAL STUDY TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE ACTION WOULD RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS.

THE INITIAL STUDY IS A KEY STEP IN THE PRELIMINARY REVIEW PROCESS BECAUSE IT HELPS THE LEAD AGENCY DETERMINE WHAT TYPE OF SQA DOCUMENTATION WILL BE REQUIRED, EITHER A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION OR AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.

IT ALSO HELPS SCOPE OUT CERTAIN TOPICS FROM AN EIIR ANALYSIS OF THE INITIAL STUDY MAY IDENTIFY CERTAIN RESOURCES THAT WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED BY THE PROJECT, THUS ELIMINATING THOSE TOPICS FROM FURTHER CONSIDERATION.

SO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE IF THERE'S A PROJECT ON A LAND THAT'S IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT, IT'S NOT ZONED FOR AGRICULTURE, IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR AGRICULTURE, THEN THE EIR WOULD NOT REVIEW AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES IN THE EIR ANALYSIS IN RELATION TO THAT PROJECT.

SO THE FOLLOWING THE INITIAL STUDY, UH, IT'LL, THE NEXT STEP IS THE, IS DEPENDING UPON THE INITIAL STUDY, A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION OR AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT MAY BE REQUIRED.

A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS IF THE PROJECT WILL NOT CAUSE A SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON THE ENVIRONMENT, THE LEAD AGENCY CAN PREPARE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.

THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION IS A WRITTEN STATEMENT THAT AN EIR IS NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE THE PROJECT WILL NOT HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THE ENVIRONMENT.

THE SECOND DOCUMENT IS A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION.

IF A LEAD AGENCY ATTACHES CONDITIONS TO A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF MITIGATING POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS, THEN IT'S KNOWN AS AN MND OR A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION.

AN MND WILL STATES THAT THE REVISIONS IN THE PROJECT MADE OR AGREED TO BY THE APPLICANT WOULD AVOID THE POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACTS, THAT THERE'S NO SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THE REVISED PROJECT WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.

WITH THIS, UH, EXCUSE ME, WITH THIS, IF, IF A CITY DETERMINES THAT THEY'RE GONNA GO THIS ROUTE, THERE'S GONNA BE PUBLIC REVIEW.

UH, FOR A LOCAL PROJECT, TYPICALLY ALL DOCUMENTS NEED TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

IT MUST BE AVAILABLE FOR AT LEAST 20 DAYS, UM, 20 CALENDAR DAYS.

IF IT'S A STATEWIDE IMPACT PROJECT, IT'LL BE A 30 DAY, UH,

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PUBLIC NOTICING TIMEFRAME.

AND THEN FOLLOWING THE, THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT THE CITY GOES AND THERE'S AN APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT, A NOTICE OF DETERMINATION MUST BE FILED WITH THE COUNTY CLERK WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF THE APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT.

SO IF THE INITIAL STUDY DE DETERMINES THAT THOSE, THAT THOSE MITIGATING NEGATIVE DECLARATION DECLARATION AREN'T THE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENTS, THE LEAD AGENCY DETERMINES THAT THE PROJECT WILL HAVE SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT MUST BE PREPARED.

SO, UM, IT MUST, SO AN EIR MUST DETERMINE, SO, EXCUSE ME, SORRY.

IT MUST DETERMINE THE SCOPE OF THE EIR WITH CON CONSULTATION WITH AGENCIES, THE PUBLIC AND THE APPLICANT.

THIS IS KNOWN AS THE SCOPING PROCESS.

AND THEN AN EIR MUST BE DRAFTED AND RELEASED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AT LEAST 30 DAYS, BUT NOT MORE THAN 60 DAYS UNLESS THERE ARE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES.

AN EIR MUST CONTAIN A PROJECT DESCRIPTION, AN ENVIRONMENTAL BASELINE, AND AN EVALUATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, WHICH SHOULD INCLUDE THRESHOLDS OF SIGNIFICANCE MITIGATION MEASURES IF APPLICABLE.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, PROJECT ALTERNATIVES.

UH, THE PROJECT ALTERNATIVE SECTION MUST INCLUDE MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION OF PROJECT ALTERNATIVES THAT WOULD REDUCE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.

UM, A DRAFT EIR IS REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY WHICH OF THE ALT ALTERNATIVES, SORRY, I'M JUMPING AHEAD.

EXCUSE ME.

SORRY, MY, THAT .

UM, AND THEN I, AND THEN THE, WITH THE PROJECT ALTERNATIVES, THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SUPERIOR ALTERNATIVE NEEDS TO BE IDENTIFIED.

AND I, I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THIS COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, UM, RECENTLY.

AND I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE DRAFT EIR IS NOT REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY WHICH OF THE AL ALTERNATIVES IS, SORRY, , I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF.

UM, A DRAFT IEIR IS REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY WHICH OF THE AL ALTERNATIVES IS THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SUPERIOR ALTERNATIVE, NOT INCLUDING THE NO PROJECT ALTERNATIVE.

SO THIS IS THE ALTERNATIVE THAT ON THE WHOLE WOULD HAVE THE LEAST SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.

I WANNA NOTE THAT THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SUPERIOR ALTERNATIVE IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.

THE LEAD AGENCY IS NOT OBLIGATED TO APPROVE THAT ALTERNATIVE IN PLACE OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, ONCE THE DRAFT EIR IS COMPLETE, IT MUST BE RELEASED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

DURING THAT TIME, THE LEAD AGENCY WILL RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, OTHER STATE, OR LOCAL AGENCIES.

AND PUBLIC COMMENTS COULD INCLUDE, UM, DISCUSSION ABOUT THE USE OF THE METRICS OR THRESHOLDS, UH, THAT WERE USED IN THE EIR, IF THERE WERE ANY ERRORS OR INCONSISTENCIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED.

AND THE LEAD AGENCY MUST RESPOND TO ALL COMMENTS THAT ARE RECEIVED DURING THE DRAFT EIR PROCESS.

SO ONCE THAT, ONCE THE DRAFT EIR IS COMPLETE AND CIRCULATED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND RESPONSE TO COMMENTS ARE DRAFTED, THE FINAL EIR THEN IS DRAFT COM COMPILED THE DRAFT.

IT MUST INCLUDE THE DRAFT EIR, AND THEN COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS RECEIVED ON THE DRAFT.

EIR, THE RESPONSES OF THE LEAD AGENCY TO THE SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL POINTS RAISED IN THE REVIEW AND CONSULTATION PROCESS.

AND THEN A LIST OF PERSONS AND AGENCIES COMMENTING ON THE DRAFT, EIR, AND ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT'S ADDED BY THE LEAD AGENCY MUST BE IDENTIFIED.

SO ONCE THE FINAL EIR IS COMPLETE, THEN IT'LL GO ON TO, UM, POTENTIALLY AN APPROVAL.

SO PRIOR TO TAKING ACTION ON A PROJECT, A LEAD AGENCY MUST CERTIFY THE EIR AND ADOPT FINDINGS THAT SUMMARIZE EACH SIGNIFICANT IMPACT RESULTING FROM A PROPOSED PROJECT AND JUSTIFY THE FINDINGS OF SIGNIFICANT.

SO, EIR CERTIFICATION SIGNIFIES THAT THE EIR HAS BEEN COMPLETED IN COMPLIANCE WITH CQA AND THE DECISION MAKERS, SORRY FOR THE TYPO, HAVE REVIEWED AND CONSIDERED ITS CONTENTS AND CONCLUSIONS PRIOR TO APPROVING THE PROJECT.

TYPICALLY, THIS OCCURS JUST BEFORE APPRO PROJECT APPROVAL AT THE SAME PUBLIC MEETING.

HOWEVER, THAT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT.

IT CAN COME, THE CERTIFICATION HAS TO COME FIRST, BUT THE PROJECT APPROVAL CAN COME AT A LATER TIME IN A SEPARATE MEETING, IT'S UP TO THE CITY.

AND THEN FOR THE FINDINGS OF FACT AND STATEMENT OF OVERRIDING CONSIDERATION, THE LEAD AGENCY MUST ALSO MAKE WRITTEN FINDINGS FOR EACH SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IDENTIFIED IN THE EIR, INCLUDING A BRIEF RATIONALE FOR EACH FINDING.

FINDINGS MUST BE SUPPORTED BY SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND DESCRIBE SPECIFIC REASONS WHERE MITIGATION MEASURES OR ALTERNATIVES ARE BEING REJECTED.

AND THEN FOR THE, AND, AND IF THE LEAD AGENCY TENDS TO APPROVE A PROJECT WITH ONE

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OR MORE UNAVOIDABLE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS, IT MUST ADOPT A STATEMENT OF OVERRIDING CONSIDERATION IN ADOPT, IN ADDITION TO ITS FINDING OF FACT.

SO THE STATEMENT OF OVERRIDING CONSIDERATION IS A WAY THAT THE LEAD AGENCY CAN BALANCE ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE AGAINST SOCIAL, ECONOMIC, OR OTHER FACTORS.

THE LEAD AGENCY MUST INCLUDE SPECIFIC WRITTEN STATEMENTS OR REASONS SUPPORTING THE APPROVAL SUCH AS ECONOMIC, LEGAL, SOCIAL, TECHNOLOGICAL, OR ANY OTHER BENEFITS THAT THE PROJECT COULD PROVIDE.

UH, BUT HOWEVER, THE INFORMATION MUST BE SUPPORTED BY SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD.

SO WHEN REVIEWING THIS, THIS IS THE KEY SECTION.

I RECOMMEND REVIEWING THE FINDINGS OF FACT AND STATEMENT OF OVERRIDING CONSIDERATION IF YOU HAVE A EIR BEFORE YOU TO JUST TO EVALUATE WHETHER THE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD TO SUPPORT THESE FINDINGS WHEN YOU'RE MAKING YOUR DETERMINATION.

SO THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION AND THAT WAS VERY HIGH LEVEL .

SO THIS IS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.

UM, QUICKLY BEFORE I TAKE QUESTIONS, I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL TRAININGS COMING UP, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING AGAIN YOU GUYS WANT ME TO, TO ELABORATE ON, LET ME KNOW.

UM, SO I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

AND THEN DAVID ALSO CAN, WE'LL BE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS TOO FROM THE STAFF SIDE FOR CQA.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THAT WAS A VERY GOOD TRAINING.

UM, CA ADVANCED FOR US .

UM, DOES, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS? YES.

I CALL COMMISSIONER LEN SMITH.

JUST TO CONFIRM, I MEAN, I THINK AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE, WE'VE MOSTLY JUST SEEN THE INFILL PROJECTS OR SOMETHING THAT'S JUST, UM, UH, CATEGORICALLY, CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

CORRECT.

SO, UM, WHAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME TO A FULL I WITH A FULL EIR OR LIKE A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT HAS OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO A PLANNING COMMISSION? JUST, UH, JUST FOR REFERENCE, SOMETHING MAYBE IN THE PAST THAT'S COME, JUST SO I CAN KIND OF VISUALIZE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, OR DOES THAT NORMALLY JUST HEAD TO THE COUNCIL? UM, NO.

SO THERE, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

SO THERE'S CERTAIN EIR THAT HAVE TO BE DONE.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE JUST REVIEWED ONE RECENTLY FOR GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.

UM, BUT THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WILL REQUIRE EERS AT SOME POINT.

UM, THAT WILL, IF FOR EXAMPLE, THE CLASS 32, IF SAY THE INFILL, I'M SPIT BALLING, BUT IF, IF THE SITE, SAY THEY FIND THAT THERE IS A THREATENED OR ENDANGERED SPECIES ON AN EMPTY SITE, THAT WILL TRIGGER AN ADDITIONAL REVIEW AND IT WILL KICK IT OUT OUT OF THE, UM, CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION.

UM, BUT IT MIGHT NOT RAISE TO THE LEVEL OF AN EIR, IT COULD BE A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION.

IT WOULD JUST REALLY DEPEND ON WHAT'S FOUND DURING THE INITIAL STUDY PROCESS.

OKAY.

IT'S JUST MY EXPERIENCE, MY PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE PROFESSIONALLY WAS ALWAYS WITH A FULL EIR ON THE UTILITY SIDE OF THINGS.

BUT, UM, SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO US OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SEEN.

I MEAN, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE OF COURSE, BUT YES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THERE IS A, I WON'T GO INTO DETAIL, BUT THERE IS A PROJECT COMING UP IN THE PIPELINE THAT WE ARE REVIEWING AN EIR FOR.

OKAY.

UM, SO THAT WILL BE COMING BEFORE YOU.

UM, IT'S BECAUSE THIS NATIONAL CITY IS ALREADY VERY DEVELOPED.

UM, A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT WOULD IMPACT OTHER JURISDICTIONS JUST DON'T APPLY HERE.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

WE CALL COMMISSIONER ARMA.

ACTUALLY, I APPRECIATE THE, UM, THE TRAINING.

UM, CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A QUICK, UH, EXAMPLES ON THE STATUTORY EXEMPTIONS? I KNOW YOU MENTIONED IT, BUT YOU, YOU SAID THERE WAS THREE AND THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL, BUT SOME OF THE EXAMPLES I GIVE WERE MINISTERIAL PROJECTS.

MM-HMM .

AND THEN EMERGENCY PROJECTS.

MM-HMM .

SO AN EXAMPLE, UM, IS IF THIS WON'T HAPPEN HERE, BUT IF THERE'S A LANDSLIDE AND THE ROAD IS WASHED OUT AND WE HAVE TO CLEAN IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE S QL PROCESS FOR THAT.

UM, SOME ADOPTIONS OF SOME COASTAL PLANS AND PROGRAMS OR FEASIBILITY AND PLANNING STUDIES.

SO IT'S VERY SPECIFIC AND IT'S VERY NARROW.

UM, THEY'RE NOT SUPER COMMON.

UM, YOU WON'T SEE VERY MANY OF THOSE.

APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THEN JUST FOR MY CONFIRMATION, UM, WHEN THERE'S MENTION OF 30 DAYS, 60 DAYS OR 100, THEY DID WHATEVER THE DAYS, IS IT CALENDAR OR BUSINESS DAYS? IT DEPENDS.

SOME ARE CALENDAR, SOME ARE WORKING.

IT JUST REALLY DEPENDS ON WHICH, WHICH DOCUMENT WE'RE UNDER.

OKAY.

YES.

GOT IT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER BURL COMMISSIONER? BURL, BURL? SORRY.

UH, SO JUST FOR EXAMPLE, THE MEETING DECEMBER 10TH, THAT DID NOT TRIGGER AN EIR, SO THAT WAS DETERMINED TO BE A CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION UNDER THE INFILL, UM, INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

AND THEN WHEN WE OPPOSED IT WITH AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN, IS IT NOW TRIGGERING AN EIR? BECAUSE I LIKE WHAT STANDS OUT TO ME? ARE THOSE THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A, AN ENVIRONMENTALLY HAZARDOUS PROJECT?

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YEAH.

WELL, SINCE THE PROJECT ITSELF WAS DENIED, ANY CQA DETERMINATION IS NOT RELEVANT BECAUSE THE PROJECT ITSELF IS NO LONGER, SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR A SQL DETERMINATION IF THERE'S NO PROJECT.

I KNOW IT WAS, DOES NOT DENIED HERE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT IT IS, AND NOW IT'S OFF THE TABLE COMPLETELY.

YEAH.

THE APPLICANT WITHDREW THE, THE APPLICATION.

SO IT IS NO LONGER A PROJECT THAT THE CITY IS REVIEWING.

YOU THINK IF, UH, THERE WAS A TURN OF EVENTS THAT IT WOULD TRIGGER ANY IR IT REALLY WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE ANALYSIS IS UNDER THE, THE CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION.

SO IF SAY THAT THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE AND IT FOUND THAT IT WAS, THERE WAS GONNA BE MINIMAL, NO TRAFFIC IMPACTS, IF THAT HAD FOUND THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC IMPACTS, THEN THAT COULD POTENTIALLY TRIGGER HIGHER LEVEL OF REVIEW.

BUT IT REALLY WILL DEPEND UPON WHAT IS ACTUALLY AT THE TIME LOOKED AT FURTHER.

AND IT DEPENDS ON THE PROJECT TOO.

SO IF THERE'S A NEW PROJECT, TOTALLY DIFFERENT SCENARIO OR FACT PATTERNS, IT COULD EQUATE TO DIFFERENT IMPACTS THAT WE JUST WOULDN'T KNOW AT THIS TIME.

UH, IT, A, A QUESTION THAT I HAVE, UM, IS AS, AS COMMISSIONERS, IF A PROJECT DOES COME BEFORE US AND THERE IS, UH, QUESTIONS OR SAY, SAY LIKE THE DECEMBER 2ND, THE PROJECT ON ORANGE AND SWEETWATER, UM, IF WE WERE, UM, SAYING, OKAY, WE WANTED THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT WE WANT AN EIR DONE FOR THIS PROJECT, COULD THAT BE A CONDITION THAT COMMISSIONERS COULD POTENTIALLY PUT ON A DEVELOPMENT, UM, TO, TO, TO HELP MITIGATION EFFORTS OR JUST TO DO A MORE IN DEPTH, UM, ANALYSIS ON, ON, ON THE PROJECT? SO YEAH, IT'S WELL WITHIN YOUR, THE COMMISSIONS TO DISAGREE WITH STAFF'S EVALUATION.

SO YOU, THEY, YOU COULD DISAGREE AND SAID THAT, THAT YOU DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S ACCURATE AND YOU COULD REQUEST STAFF TO DO FURTHER STUDIES.

UM, SO YOU WOULD JUST CONTINUE THE ITEM, UM, PENDING ADDITIONAL REVIEW UNDER CA.

AND SO YES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH STAFF'S DECISIONS.

UM, YOU CAN DIRECT THEM TO DO ADDITIONAL REVIEW IF YOU NEED TO.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

YES.

UH, CO COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA, BUT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT BASED ON OPINION, RIGHT? I MEAN THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF, LIKE, THERE'S DIFFERENT LIKE FINDINGS THAT YOU, WE HAVE TO FIND.

WE CAN'T JUST BE LIKE, I DON'T LIKE IT.

SO I WANT YOU TO DO MORE RESEARCH.

CORRECT, CORRECT.

YES, YES.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM,

[4. Determination that the Project is Categorically Exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) Under Class 15 of the CEQA Guidelines Section 15315 (Minor Land Divisions) and a Tentative Parcel Map Dividing One Lot into Two on a Property Located at 639-643 E 21st Street. Case File No.: 2024-22 LS APN: 560-310-21-00.]

THIS IS, THIS IS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON, UH, DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT CQA UNDER CLASS 17 OF THE CE A GUIDELINES SECTION 1 5 3 1 5 MINOR LAND DIVISIONS AND TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP DIVIDING LOT ONE INTO TWO ON A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 6 39 THROUGH 6 43 EAST 21ST STREET, CASE FILE NUMBER 2024 DASH 22 LS A PN NUMBER 5 6 0 3 1 0 2 1 OH OH.

BEFORE WE BEGIN, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES RELATED TO THIS HEARING? THIS IS EACH PLANNING COMMISSIONERS' OPPORTUNITY TO DISCLOSE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, PROPERTY INSPECTIONS, EX PARTE CONTACTS OR COMMUNICATIONS, ET CETERA.

MY APOLOGIES.

WHAT WAS THAT QUESTION? OH, I WAS SIMPLY ASKING IF ANY COMMISSIONERS HAD DISCLOSURES.

THANK YOU.

UM, I, I HAVE DONE A, UH, A DRIVE-BY SITE VISIT.

I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY.

MADAM SEC SECRETARY, HAVE THE NOTICES AS REQUIRED BY LAW BEEN GIVEN? AND DO WE HAVE A COMPLETE FILE OF EXHIBIT CORRESPONDENCE AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YES.

THANK YOU.

WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM FOR US.

GOOD EVENING, VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, THE PUBLIC.

MY NAME IS SOPHIA DEPUY AND I'M THE ASSISTANT PLANNER.

TONIGHT I WILL BE PRESENTING ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP, DIVIDING ONE LAW INTO TWO ON A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 6 39 6 43 EAST 21ST STREET, CASE FILE 20 24, 20 22 LS.

UM, SO AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 6 39 AND 6 43 EAST 21ST STREET.

IT'S WITHIN THE RM THREE

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VERY HIGH DENSITY MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL ZONE.

THE EXISTING LAW IS APPROXIMATELY 20,000 SQUARE FEET WITH A WIDTH OF 162 FEET AND A DEPTH OF 130 FEET.

UM, THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WITH TWO EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE LOT CURRENTLY FRONTS EAST 21ST STREET.

UM, EACH RESULTING LOT WILL HAVE INDEPENDENT ACCESS FROM EAST 21ST STREET.

SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY IS PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES.

UM, HERE'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE SITE.

SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S BETWEEN F AND HIGHLAND AND NORTH OF EAST 21ST.

AND THEN HERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL SITE PHOTOS.

SO THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT IS 6 39 AND THEN, AND THEN MOVING OVER, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE SECOND EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

AND THEN HERE'S JUST SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS.

SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP TO DIVIDE ONE LOT INTO TWO PARCEL.

ONE WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 7,477 SQUARE FEET WITH 60 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON EAST 21ST.

AND THAT PARCEL WILL HAVE AN EXISTING 1,845 SQUARE FOOT.

SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO REMAIN.

PARCEL TWO WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 13,387 SQUARE FEET WITH ABOUT 103 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON EAST 21ST.

AND PARCEL TWO WILL HAVE AN EXISTING 822 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO REMAIN.

AND NO NEW DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.

HERE'S THE PARCEL MAP.

UM, YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY PARCEL ONE AND PARCEL TWO.

SO MOVING ON TO STAFF'S ANALYSIS, THE PROPOSED SPLIT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, SPECIFICALLY LAND USE POLICY 2.3, WHICH ENCOURAGES HOUSING TYPES THAT ARE MORE AFFORDABLE, SUCH AS ADUS.

UH, THE SPLIT, THE PROPOSED SPLIT WOULD ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL ADUS.

UM, THE SPLIT ALSO IS CONSISTENT WITH THE HOUSING ELEMENT SINCE IT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY.

AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE VERY HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION, UM, WHICH ALLOWS UP TO 75 DWELL UNITS PER ACRE.

THIS PROJECT CURRENTLY HAS A DENSITY OF 4.3 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

CONTINUING WITH THE ANALYSIS, UH, THE PROPOSED LAW SPLIT IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.

TITLE 17 HAS REQUIREMENTS FOR DEDICATIONS IMPROVEMENTS, DESIGN STANDARDS, AND CONFORMANCE WITH TITLE 18.

UH, THIS SITE IS ON AN ESTABLISHED BLOCK WITH EXISTING DEVELOPMENT FRONTING EAST 21ST STREET.

NO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC STREETS ARE REQUIRED TO BE DEDICATED, UM, PURSUANT TO OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, THE SIDE LOT LINE OF THE SIDELINE OF LOTS SHALL BE AS NEARLY AT RIGHT ANGLES OR RADIAL TO THE STREET UPON WHICH THE LOTS FACE AS PRACTICAL.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SIDE LOT LINE WITH A SLIGHT JOG THAT'S FOLLOWING AN EXISTING FENCE ON THE PROPERTY.

STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED A CONDITION OR STAFF INCLUDED A CONDITION THAT REQUIRES A MORE STANDARD LOT CONFIGURATION.

SO BASICALLY STRAIGHTEN OUT THE LOT LINE.

UM, AND THEN HERE'S JUST A IMAGE KIND OF REPRESENTING WHAT STAFF IS REQUESTING.

THE RED LINE KIND OF SHOWS THE STRAIGHT LINE INSTEAD OF THE JOGGED LINE.

AND THEN HERE'S JUST SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE FENCE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT.

SO CONTINUING WITH THE ANALYSIS, THE PROPOSED SPLIT IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH OUR LAND USE CODE.

UH, THE RM THREE ZONE ALLOWS FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES.

AGAIN, IT MEETS THE PRESCRIBED DENSITY FOR THE AREA.

IT ONLY HAS A DENSITY OF 4.3 AND THAT ZONE ALLOWS UP TO 75 UNITS PER ACRE.

AND, UH, IT ALSO MEETS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE RRM THREE ZONE.

SO MINIMUM LAW AREA, MINIMUM STREET FRONTAGE, AND ALL REQUIRED SETBACKS.

SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT BE FOUND EXEMPT FROM CA PURSUANT TO CLASS 15, WHICH IS MINOR LAND DIVISIONS.

UM, IF APPROVED STAFF WILL FILE THE NOTICE OF EXEMPTION.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, STAFF IS REQUESTING A CONDITION OF APPROVAL RELATED TO FILING THE NOTICE OF EXEMPTION.

UM, JUST STANDARD LANGUAGE ABOUT TIMELINES FOR GETTING THAT IN.

YEAH, SO STAFF INCLUDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ADDRESSING ALL OF THE COMMENTS FROM ENGINEERING BUILDING AND THEN ADDITIONALLY SWEETWATER AUTHORITY.

WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED CONDITIONS RELATED TO FINAL MAP REQUIREMENTS

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AND ALL APPLICABLE CODES.

AND THEN WE INCLUDED THAT ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL RELATED TO CONSISTENCY WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.

UM, IN SUMMARY, THE PROPOSED LAW SPLIT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, AND THE LAND USE CODE.

SO THE OPTIONS TONIGHT ARE FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM QUA AND APPROVE THE TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP BASED ON THE FINDINGS LISTED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION, OR FIND THE PROJECT NOT EXEMPT FROM CQA AND OR DENY THE TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP BASED ON THE FINDINGS OR CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE REVISED CONDITIONS.

UH, IF APPROVED, IT WILL GO AS A NOTICE OF DECISION TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND HERE'S THE PROCESS MAP AGAIN, UH, THAT CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION UNLESS THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.

DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? YES, COMMISSIONER QUINONES.

JUST CURIOUS, UM, IF IT'S APPROVED AND IT'S DIVIDED, I SEE THEY ALREADY HAVE FENCES.

HOW ARE THEY GONNA DIVIDE IT? THEY'RE JUST GONNA PUT A FENCE ACROSS OR WHAT, UH, THE PROPOSED LOT LINE THAT YOU SEE THERE IS FOLLOWING THE EXISTING FENCE LINE.

SO THE FENCE WOULD STAY WHERE IT IS.

SO IT'S GONNA BE REMAIN THE SAME.

THEY'RE JUST GONNA HAVE A, A FENCE, RIGHT, WITH THE FENCE THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

YEAH.

STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THAT THEY STRAIGHTEN THE LOT LINE.

AND A REQUIREMENT BEFORE FINAL MAP WOULD BE TO HAVE THE FENCE LINE FOLLOW THAT NEW LOT LINE, AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE TWO SEPARATE PARCELS, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO JUST FOR VERIFICATION, JUST FOR VERIFICATION, THIS CURRENTLY SITS AS ONE LOT THE WAY, THE WAY THAT IT IS NOW.

THERE'S TWO HOUSES ON ONE LOT.

THERE'S ALREADY A FENCE THERE.

IT'S ALREADY DIVIDED TWO, BUT IT'S ONE LOT.

SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR A DIVISION OF THE LOT AND THE STAFF IS REQUESTING FOR THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FENCE IS STRAIGHT FOR WHERE THE LOT LINE WILL BE DRAWN.

THE PROPOSED LOT LINE AND THE FENCE.

YES.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WE WILL NOW HEAR? UM, I, I INVITE THE APPLICANT AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THEIR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION.

DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE? AWESOME.

COME ON UP.

AND WHAT IS YOUR NAME, SIR? HELLO, MY NAME IS PHILIP LOW.

THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS YOU FOLKS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I, UH, CAME IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK IN 19, OH, MAYBE 1991.

BUT CIRCUMSTANCES DEVELOPED WHERE I DID NOT COMPLETE THE LOT SPLIT AT THAT TIME.

UM, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS WE'RE TRYING TO DO TWO THINGS.

WE'RE TRYING TO SPLIT THE LOT, AND I'M ALSO TRYING TO KEEP MYSELF FROM DOING A LOT OF WORK.

I BUILT THAT FENCE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, AND THE REASON WHY YOU SEE THE JOG IN IT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

ON PARCEL ONE, THERE'S A HANDICAP RAMP THAT COMES THAT HEADS TO THE EAST.

AND WHAT I HAVE IS, I HAVE A SITUATION WHERE I HAVE TWO LARGE OLIVE TREES THAT WERE PLANTED BY ONE OF OUR EARLY, UM, SETTLERS, IRA FLOYD, BACK IN AROUND 17, UH, NOT 17, YOU KNOW, AROUND 1880, THEREABOUTS.

AND SO WITH THE, CAN YOU KEEP THAT PICTURE OF, OH, I'M SORRY.

AND SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS WHEN WE HAVE THE, THE LOT LINE, HOW THEY HAVE THE RED LINE MARKED WITH THE IN RED THAT'S AT THE 60 FOOT, UM, DIMENSION, WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT KIND OF INTERFERES WITH THE TREES, PLUS IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THE, I'LL CALL IT THE HANDICAPPED SCOOTER WALKWAY THAT GOES TO THE EAST OF THE TREE RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOUSE.

UM, MM-HMM .

I DON'T SEE WHY IT NEEDS TO BE

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STRAIGHT.

I MEAN, MY OTHER, MY OTHER, UM, ON THE WEST SIDE THAT'S NOT STRAIGHT.

IF I WOULD'VE GOTTEN A SITUATION RESOLVED BACK IN 1991 WITH THE SUBSEQUENT, UM, LOT SPLIT THAT I FAILED TO COMPLETE, UM, THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THAT THAT JOG, THAT FIVE FOOT JOG THAT WOULD'VE BEEN TOTALLY STRAIGHT.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THINGS WORK THE WAY THEY, WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

I LIKE THAT OTHER, UH, ILLUSTRATION WHERE YOU HAVE THE COLORED, THE TWO DIFFERENT LOTS.

CAN YOU SHOW THAT ONE? YEAH, THAT ONE, THAT, THAT ONE SHOWS IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER BECAUSE YOU COULD SEE, UM, JUST IN NORTH OF THE, THE HOUSE THERE'S, BY THE COVERED PATIO, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE WALKWAY, UM, THERE'S A RAMP AND THAT HEADS TO THE WEST AND THAT ALLOWS, UM, ROOM FOR A HANDICAP PERSON TO TAKE THEIR, UH, SCOOTER CHAIR, WHEELCHAIR, WHATEVER, AROUND THE TREE.

I'M NOT GONNA CUT DOWN THE TREES.

I'M NOT GONNA PUT THE FENCE IN A POSITION WHERE IT'S GONNA HARM THE TREE.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, I, YOU KNOW, I DID MAKE A SUGGESTION.

I MET WITH, UH, UH, SOPHIA AND, UH, DAVID, I BELIEVE IT WAS THURSDAY, WAS IT THURSDAY? AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS.

IF YOU GUYS ARE REALLY HUNG UP ON STRAIGHT LINES, I CAN STRAIGHTEN OUT THE, THE LINE TO THE SOUTH OF WHERE THE HOUSE IS, WHERE IT MAKES THAT, THAT, UH, SLIGHT, WE'LL CALL IT, UH, OH, 22 AND A HALF DEGREE OR 17 DEGREE, UH, TURN AND CONTINUE THAT, CONTINUE THAT, UH, DIRECTLY SOUTH.

SO THAT'S THE BEST I CAN DO FOR YOU ANYWAY.

DO YOU OWN BOTH? UH, YES.

UH, MY SISTER AND MY BROTHER AND MYSELF OKAY.

ARE, AND THE, THE PLAN IS TO, UM, I'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY A, UH, A WELL-KNOWN, UH, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPER HERE IN NATIONAL CITY.

WELL, THEY, THEY BUILT A NUMBER OF PROJECTS HERE IN THE CITY AND I'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY THEM AND, UH, A COUPLE OF REALTORS AND, YOU KNOW, MY BROTHER'S IDEAS, WELL, LET'S JUST SELL, YOU KNOW.

AND, UH, I KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN, UH, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE, THE PHRASE, UH, YOU KNOW, CLOSE THE DOOR? DO YOU THINK YOU'RE RAISING A BARN? HMM.

WELL, I WAS THE OLD HOUSE.

UH, THE SMALLER HOUSE WAS, UH, ONE OF THE EARLY SETTLERS HOUSES, UM, UM, IRA, IRA FLOYD AND THEIR FAMILY.

AND, UH, THEY BUILT IT AS A BARN.

AND IT STILL HAS THE EXISTING, WE'LL CALL IT THE SHADOW OR SCAR OF THE HA LOFT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, MY BROTHER WANTS TO GET RID OF EVERYTHING.

AND, UM, I'M LOOKING AT SPLITTING THE PROPERTY.

WE SELL THE HOUSE TO THE WEST, AND THEN I RETAIN THE OLDER HOUSE.

SO IS THE OLDER HOUSE LOCATED ON PARCEL ONE OR PARCEL TWO? UH, PARCEL TWO.

PARCEL TWO, OKAY.

SO IF THE DEVELOPER WERE TO DEVELOP PARCEL ONE, WOULD YOU BE PUTTING A STIPULATION THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO TEAR DOWN THE TREE WITH THE PARCEL? WELL, IF THE, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS I'M GONNA PUT A STIPULATION IN AND I TALKED TO MY ENGINEER ABOUT THIS AND IT'D BE LIKE AN EASEMENT WHERE I WOULD HAVE A VIEW CORRIDOR EASEMENT TO THE WEST FROM MY UP STORES, UP UP STORES UPSTAIRS WINDOW.

THAT WAY IT WOULD, THE, THE WINDOW THAT I'M REFERRING TO IS, IT WOULD BE THE SOUTHWEST WINDOW WHERE I CAN LOOK OUT, I CAN LOOK OUT OVER A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT HOUSES.

I CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE NAVY SHIPS, I CAN SEE THE BAY, I CAN SEE THE LITTLE STRIP AND I CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR I CAN SEE THE OCEAN, YOU KNOW, AND UM, SEE THE SUN GO, YOU KNOW, SUN SEE

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THE SUNSET.

AND UH, SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT I WAS LOOKING AT AND WAS THAT THE SUBSEQUENT BUYER OF PARCEL NUMBER ONE, THEY COULD BUILD, YOU KNOW, TWO STORY IN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT, THE HOUSE FOOTPRINT, OR THEY CAN DO A A DU OR SOMETHING FURTHER BACK.

BUT I NEED THAT LITTLE, A LITTLE SECTION.

YOU KNOW, THEY COULD DO AN A DU BACK AGAINST THE APARTMENTS TO THE NORTH.

SO, OKAY.

YOU KNOW, YES.

COMMISSIONER ES I HAVE A QUESTION.

YEAH.

SO YOU WANNA DIVIDE THE PROPERTY, BUT YOU DON'T WANT A STRAIGHT LINE, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? I WASN'T SURE.

NO, I DON'T NEED A STRAIGHT LINE .

YOU KNOW, I NEVER, I NEVER WALKED A STRAIGHT LINE.

SO YOU JUST WANT THE LINE AS IT IS NOW, YOU KNOW.

PARDON? YOU JUST WANNA DIVIDE IT AS IT IS NOW.

YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL SITUATION.

BUT YOU KNOW, PUSH COMES TO SHOVE.

I CAN, YOU KNOW, DO THE, DO THE LITTLE LINE.

WHAT'S THAT? I ? YEAH, LET'S LEAVE MY TREES ALONG I CALL COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.

UM, THIS QUESTION'S ACTUALLY FOR STAFF IN CONJUNCTION WITH MR. LOWE IS, ARE THERE, UM, PARTICULAR STANDARDS AS TO WHY WE NEED THE STRAIGHT LINE AND WHEN YOU MET ON THURSDAY? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW BEFORE US, MR. LOWE IS EITHER TO ADOPT IT AS THIS OR TO WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, OR TO NOT ADOPT, YOU KNOW, SO I'M WONDERING WHAT OUR ALTERNATIVES ARE AND WHAT THE CITY, IF THERE'S A STANDARD AS TO WHY WE NEED TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, IS IT, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING, IS IT LAND SURVEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT? YEAH.

UM, THE, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU'VE BEEN MEETING AND CONFERRING.

SO YEAH.

UH, THE REQUEST IS JUST BASED ON LANGUAGE FROM TITLE 17.

UM, IT'S THE LANGUAGE, THE SIDE LOT LINE OF LOTS SHALL BE AT NEARLY AT RIGHT ANGLES OR RADIAL TO THE STREET UPON WHICH THE LOTS FACE IS PRACTICAL, AS PRACTICAL.

SO, UM, IT IS, YOU KNOW, AT YOUR DISCRETION TO CHOOSE IF YOU'D LIKE THEM TO STRAIGHT THE LOT LINE OR KEEP IT AS IS, UM, BASED ON THAT LANGUAGE.

OKAY.

AND ON, BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE FOR IF IN FACT, NOW THAT WE'VE HEARD A WHOLE DEVELOPMENT PLAN BEFORE US, IT'S NOT BEFORE US, IF A DEVELOPER WAS TO COME AND TO TRY TO DEVELOP LOT ONE, ARE THEY, WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED TO HAVE TO STRAIGHTEN THE LOT OR TO DO SOMETHING? I MEAN, IS THAT BASED ON THE TITLE 17 TEAM? LIKE, ARE WE GONNA HAVE ISSUES LATER WITH GOING BACK AND HAVING TO RE WE GONNA HEAR THIS AGAIN, BUT ON PROP, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PROPERTY ON THE NEW OWNER OR SOME SORT OF POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT? I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT, IS IT BEST PRACTICES FOR US TO HAVE THE LOT LINE STRAIGHT, UH, ASSOCIATE PLANNER, DAVID WELCH HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IS ASKING FOR RIGHT ANGLE LINES WHERE PRACTICAL.

UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, STAFF DRAFTED THE CONDITION TO REVISE THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST TO FOLLOW THAT.

GIVEN THAT CURRENTLY IN THAT AREA, THERE'S A FENCE IN A COUPLE TREES.

SO IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE A GEOGRAPHIC SITUATION WHERE IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE.

RIGHT.

UM, AS FAR AS STRAIGHTENING IT, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE LOT LINE IS APPROVED AND A FINAL MAP IS RECORDED, UM, THE CITY STAFF CAN'T REQUIRE THEM TO MAKE CHANGES TO THAT.

IT'LL, IT'LL BE AN APPROVED LOT SPLIT.

SO THE LOT ON THE LEFT SIDE, IF IT WERE TO BE DEVELOPED, WOULD BE DEVELOPED AS IS.

UM, NOW WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT, IF YOU START TO GET ODDLY SHAPED LOTS, IT COULD POTENTIALLY LEAD TO DESIGN DIFFICULTIES.

UM, IN THIS CASE IT'S A RATHER MINOR THING.

OKAY.

UM, BUT STAFF IS REALLY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE TITLE 17 AND, AND THE LANGUAGE IN THERE.

OKAY.

BUT BASED ON, SO YES, IDEALLY YOUR PREFERENCE IS STRAIGHT LINE.

HOWEVER, BASED ON THE FACT THAT I FEEL, I'M GETTING A, A FEELING THAT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PRACTICAL, PRACTICAL IMPRACTICAL TO DO IT, TO IMPRACTICAL TO, TO NOT HAVE IT STRAIGHT BASED ON CITY'S STAFF'S COMMENT.

RIGHT NOW, I, I BELIEVE THERE'S ENOUGH DISCRETION THERE THAT THE INTERPRETATION, INTERPRETATION COULD BE MADE THAT IN THIS CASE, UM, THE COMMISSION COULD MAKE THAT DECISION TO SAY, HEY, WE ARE OKAY WITH A SLIGHT JOG IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION BECAUSE 200 YEAR OLD TREES MIGHT MAKE THAT EXCEPTION.

YES.

AND WORK .

THANK YOU.

THAT IS, THAT'S THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION.

GOT IT.

THANK YOU.

THE, UH, COMMISSION CALLS COMMISSIONER

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ARMA? YES.

OKAY.

GOOD EVENING.

JUST FOR MY VISUAL, UM, ARE YOU TALKING, REFERRING ABOUT THESE TREES RIGHT HERE? ARE WE, ARE THESE A 200 YEAR OLD TREES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT MAKES THE FENCE? YEAH.

THE PROPERTY LINE? YES.

I HAVE LITTLE CURVE.

I HAVE FIVE TREES ON THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

OKAY.

THIS IS ONE OF THEM THAT'S RIGHT BY THE GARAGE.

MM-HMM .

ONE RIGHT HERE.

ONE RIGHT HERE.

UM, AND DO, ARE THEY IN THIS ONE? YEAH.

UM, WOW.

OR THE OTHER SIDE.

THERE'S ONE BACK OVER HERE AND THERE'S, THERE'S A PET TREE AND THERE'S, BUT THE ONES THAT AFFECT THE PROPERTY LINE TO BE STRAIGHT, I'M ASSUMING, ARE THESE RIGHT HERE? THIS ONE? YEAH.

YEAH.

OKAY.

AND WHERE'S THAT? THAT'S THE FRONT, THAT'S THE FRONT TREE.

AND WHERE'S THE HANDICAP? UM, OH, PAD THAT COMES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE.

I CAN'T SEE IT ON HERE.

OKAY.

WELL OVER HERE ON THIS PICTURE.

OH, SHE'S POINTING FOR YOU.

TELL HER WHERE TO I, RIGHT HERE BY THE TREE.

UM, OR THIS ONE.

OH, STEP OVER THERE.

NO, I CAN POINT .

HERE'S THE SIDEWALK.

THEN THEY HAVE PAVERS, THOSE HERE.

OH, OKAY.

AND THEN THERE'S LIKE A FOUR FOUR.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE CEMENT, I MAYBE IF YOU GO BACK ONE MORE, ONE MORE PICTURE.

WHAT? THERE'S A CEMENT PATH THAT GOES ALONG WHERE WE HAVE THE ILLUSTRATION WITH THE TWO SHAPE.

YEAH, I SAW THAT ONE.

THE PARCEL MAP.

YEAH.

RIGHT THERE.

ALRIGHT.

RIGHT HERE.

NEIGHBORS? MM-HMM .

OKAY.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

AND THEN I HAVE LIKE A HANDICAP.

SO THE TREE IS CLOSE TO THE HOUSE.

THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT A SCOOTER CHAIR BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE TREE.

GOT IT.

AND SO I CAN PUT IT ON THAT SIDE.

SO IF THERE'S A DEVELOPER THAT COMES AND REDEVELOPS PARCEL ONE, IS THE INTENT TO HAVE THE DEVELOPER KEEP THOSE TREES WHERE THEY'RE AT? NO.

OKAY.

I, I DON'T THINK I WOULD WANT TO SELL IT TO A DEVELOPER.

I'M FOR GOT IT.

YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS? MM-HMM .

I WORK MY THANK YOU.

AND, UH, AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU GUYS DIDN'T CALL ME A DEVELOPER BECAUSE BACK IN 1991 THEY DID CALL ME A DEVELOPER.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING MS. PEOPLES? YES.

LORI PS LOCAL HISTORY BUFF, HISTORIAN, STEIN, FARM MANAGER, FOUNDER.

UM, YEAH, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY AND PHILIP AND THE HOUSE.

UM, THE BARN HOUSE IS LIKE, I I WAS TEASING HIM.

I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT GOING GREEN WITH DEVELOPMENT NOWADAYS.

WELL THAT'S LIKE THE FIRST GREEN BUILDING EVER IN NATIONAL CITY BECAUSE IT WAS A BARN AND IT BECAME A HOUSE.

AND THE FLOYD FAMILY IS RELATED TO HARBISON, UM, IRA HARBISON.

AND THERE WAS A BOOK WRITTEN ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S THE GREAT-GRANDDAUGHTER.

THERE WAS SOME INFORMATION RECENTLY ON ONE OF THE NATIONAL CITY FACEBOOK PAGES, UM, TALKING ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE AND A BOOK CALLED CARRIE THAT WAS WRITTEN FROM DIARIES.

AND IT TALKS ABOUT THAT PROPERTY AND IT TALKS ABOUT FLOYD AND FLOYD.

CHARLES FLOYD THAT PLANTED THE, UH, THE OLIVE TREES WAS PART, THE OLIVE TREES WERE PART OF THE COMMERCIAL OLIVE INDUSTRY HERE IN NATIONAL CITY.

SO WHEN HIS MOM BUILT THAT HOUSE AND YOU PUT THE FENCE IN, RIGHT? OH, WELL, SHE, SHE BUILT THE HOUSE LONG BEFORE THE FENCE IN, SHE BUILT THE HOUSE BECAUSE SHE WAS AFRAID I WAS GONNA BURN THE OLD HOUSE.

.

WELL, BUT, BUT THE FENCE HE PUT IN WAS AROUND TO PROTECT THE OLIVE TREES BECAUSE HIS MOTHER LOVED THEM TOO.

SO IS THE, IS THE HOUSE HISTORIC? IS IT, IS IT A HISTORIC IT'S HISTORIC.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S DESIGNATED DESIGN.

WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES, UM, GETTING OUR HISTORIC HOMES DESIGNATED.

WE'VE PROVIDED LISTS AND LISTS AND THEY DON'T WANT IT BECAUSE THEY WANT PLACES DEVELOPED.

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BUT PHILLIP HAS, UH, COMMITTED TO SAVING THAT HOUSE IN PURPOSE SECURITY HERE.

THANK YOU.

I REMEMBER YEARS AGO I HAD, UH, WE HAD A STATE ASSEMBLYMAN, UM, JIM MILLS AND HE CAME OVER SO MANY TIMES AND I TALKED TO HIM, MY MOM TALKED TO HIM AND ALL THIS AND, UH, REAL NICE GENTLEMAN.

HE, HE'S THE PERSON THAT, UM, MILLS ACT KIND OF, UH, SPEARHEADED AND GOT THE MILLS ACT APPROVED.

UM, I TRY TO KEEP AS FAR AWAY FROM GOVERNMENT AND THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE AND, UH, AUTHORITY.

I'M ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT AND I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE TELLING ME WHAT TO DO, YOU KNOW, TO PUT IT BLUNTLY.

ALRIGHT.

AND, UH, I'LL LISTEN, I'LL TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE RIGHT AND, UM, BUT NOT ALL THE TIME.

ALRIGHT.

AND, UH, I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, DO THE THINGS THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY.

I, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT WORKS FOR ME.

SO I THINK IT WORKS FOR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN NATIONAL CITY AND I DON'T WANT TO GO OUT THERE AND BREAK MY BACK, YOU KNOW, STRAIGHTENING IT OUT ANOTHER FENCE, YOU KNOW, SO.

GOTCHA.

ANYWAY, WELL THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

UM, WE WILL NOW HEAR, UH, LIVE FOR MANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

THANK YOU.

YOU ARE VERY WELCOME.

UH, TO THAT WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MA MATTER, EACH PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A MAXIMUM OF, UH, TIME OF ONE MINUTE.

MADAM SECRETARY, ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, EITHER IN PERSON OR IN ZOOM? WE DO HAVE ONE IN PERSON AND NOBODY ON ZOOM, WHICH YOU HAVE THE SPEAKER SLIPS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I BELIEVE I HAVE THREE SPEAKERS.

IF IT'S FOR ITEM FOUR.

YES.

OKAY, PERFECT.

I DO, UM, FIRST STEP, I'M GONNA CALL DOYLE MORRISON MY PROJECT MOVE OR NOT? NO, HE'S AT THE, HE'S SPEAKING ON YOUR PROJECT, SIR.

OH, OKAY.

GREAT.

THAT'S NICE.

THANK YOU.

IT'S STILL CONTINUING.

YOU GAVE YOUR PRESENTATION NOW WE'RE CONTINUING EVERYTHING.

UM, MR. MORRIS, SO IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, IT'S, UH, IS INCLUDED A DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM CQA EXECUTIVE SUMMARY SAYS NO NEW DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.

SO IN THE C QA SECTION, THE PROJECT IS PROPOSED QUALIFIES FOR A CATEGORY EXEMPT UNDER CLASS 15, SECTION 15, 315 CQA FOR THE MINOR LAND DIVISIONS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET CONFIRMATION THAT ANY FUTURE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT BE COVERED UNDER THE CA CATEGORY EXEMPTION.

AND THAT REVIEW OF ANY FUTURE NEW DEVELOPMENT PROJECT WILL NEED TO BE DETERMINED CATEGORY EXEMPT FROM CQA BASED ON THE NEW PROJECT DOCUMENTATION WHEN PROPOSED.

OKAY.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT I REALLY AGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT HE SHOULD NOT SELL IT TO A DEVELOPER, BUT A PERSON SO THAT WE CAN HAVE OWNERSHIP IN NATIONAL CITY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENT.

NEXT STEP I CALL LORIANNE PEOPLES.

OKAY.

AND, UH, PHILIP? PHILIP, YOU'RE DONE.

OKAY, PERFECT.

YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU MORE? ? OKAY.

UM, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UM, I REQUEST THIS SECRETARY TO JUST PROCEED WITH DISCLOSING IF, OH, SORRY.

IF ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED IN WRITING MADAME'S SECRETARY, WERE THERE ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? NO.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, WOULD STAFF LIKE TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? NO.

UM, DOES THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WISH TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS IN RESPONSE TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY? IF SO, YOU HAVE A FIVE LI FIVE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.

UH, DO ANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF? SO WHAT I HEARD FROM YOU GUYS IS THAT YOU WERE SUPPORTING THIS, UH, SUBDIVISION AND YOU WERE RECOMMENDING A STRAIGHT LINE AFTER HAVING SPOKEN TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THIS JOG SITUATION AND THE HISTORIC TREES.

IS THAT CORRECT? UH, STAFF INCLUDED THIS CONDITION JUST BASED ON THE LANGUAGE FROM TITLE 17.

WHY DIDN'T YOU WANT TO INCLUDE YOUR MEETING WITH HIM AND THE FACT THAT

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HE'S BROUGHT UP THE HISTORIC TREES? UH, ASSOCIATE PLANNER DAVID WELCH HERE, UM, THE APPLICANT, THE MEETING THAT WAS REFERRED TO HAPPENED AFTER THE PUBLISHING OF THE STAFF REPORT.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK THE BEST EXHIBITS WE COULD AS FAR AS, UH, THE PICTURES AS EVIDENCE OF WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS WERE.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING ACCESS TO THE SITE NECESSARILY, UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE LIKE, REALLY GREAT EXHIBITS ABOUT WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS WERE.

UM, SO WE, WE, WE BASE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND WHAT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT BASED ON THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THE TENTATIVE MAP THAT WAS DRAWN, WHICH SHOWS THE FENCE LINES THAT SHOWS THE TREES AND IT SHOWS THE JOCKS.

SO THAT'S WHAT STAFF REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION ARE BASED OFF OF.

UM, ANY, ANY OTHER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

HAVING HEARD ALL THE COMMENTS FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? THIS IS JUST TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION BY COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ARMA.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.

COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA, UM, HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.

IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION BY ANY COMMISSIONER, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION CLOSING PUBLIC THE HEARING MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

OKAY.

UH, THANK YOU MADAM SECRETARY.

UH, COMMISSIONERS.

NOW, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR IS THERE A COMMISSIONER THAT WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION COM? COMMISSIONER QUIN, WE COULD APPROVE THIS WITH, WITHOUT THE STRAIGHT LINE, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE.

SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM WITH THE FENCE IN PLACE AS IS? YES.

OKAY.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION.

OKAY.

I JUST MADE THE MOTION REPEATING WHAT YOU SAID.

ON DONE ON THE MONITOR.

COMMISSIONER KIONE? YES MA'AM.

IF YOU CAN PRESS, UH, A MOTION.

MAKE A MOTION.

OKAY.

MAKE A MOTION.

THERE IT GOES.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UH, COMMISSIONER QUINONE TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION WITH THE FENCE IN PLACE AS IS WITH A WAVY LINE, UM, FOR THE, THE, THE PLOT MAP, UH, CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF.

UM, ARE WE ALSO CONSIDERING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE STANDARD LANGUAGE REGARDING CE QL F FILING AS AN AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY INCLUDED? COMMISSIONER QUINIONES? YEAH, YOU AGREE? YOU DO YOU AGREE WITH, UH, WITH THE VERBIAGE? YES.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

DO AND I HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARMENTA.

UM, WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH TWO A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY DETERMINING THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT UNDER CLASS 15 OF THE C GUIDELINES, SECTION 1 5 3 1 5 MINOR LAND DIVISIONS AND APPROVING A TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP DIVIDING ONE LAW INTO TWO, LOCATED AT 6 3 9 DASH 6 4 3 EAST 21ST STREET.

CASE FILE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 22 A PN NUMBER FIVE SIX OH DASH THREE ONE OH DASH 21 DASH ZERO ZERO.

AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO ADD INTO THERE THAT THERE, THERE, UH, THAT SHE'S ASKING FOR THE LINE TO THE FENCE TO STAY IN PLACE AS IS AND PROTECT THE OLIVE TREES.

UM, AND EXCUSE ME, SORRY.

AND FOR THE RECORD, UH, COMMISSIONER MENTA, YOU SECONDED THE MOTION.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE OKAY WITH THE AMENDMENT, WITH THE INCLUSION OF THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION.

I AM OKAY.

BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION COMMISSIONER, UH, QUINONE HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.

OKAY.

IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION BY ANY COMMISSIONER, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION.

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YES.

BURL COMMISSIONER? UM, I JUST, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, THE HERITAGE TREES IN SAN IN NATIONAL CITY.

I I SEE WAY TOO MANY OF THEM BEING, UM, TAKEN DOWN, KILLED , RIGHT ON MY STREET ON J STREET.

UH, IN FACT THE HEAD, UM, I GUESS TREE CUTTER MACK SHOWED UP IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.

IT WAS PUBLIC LANDS AND I WOULD CONSIDER WHAT THEY WERE ABOUT TO CUT DOWN A HERITAGE TREE.

I MEAN, HE, THE WORDS HE SHARED WAS THAT HE RECEIVED A CALL AND SOMEONE WAS GONNA TRIM IT.

AND WHEN I WENT OUT THERE AND SAID, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? HE SAID, THANKFULLY YOU SHOWED UP I TO WHAT HE DID RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

IT WAS TRIMMED ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, AND SO HE JUST PROCEEDED TO EVEN IT OUT.

BUT I, I, I WONDER BECAUSE HE SAID THAT, UM, THANKFULLY I CAME OUT THAT IT WAS REALLY A CALL TO NOT JUST SAY IT WAS AN IMPEDIMENT IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, BUT THAT HE WAS ABOUT TO CUT IT DOWN BECAUSE IT REFLECTS WHAT'S GOING ON, UH, ON OTHER BLOCKS.

AND THESE ARE OUTRAGEOUSLY TALL HISTORIC TREES AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT RIGHT NOW, A 200 YEAR OLD OLIVE TREE, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT WOULD BE OVERLOOKED IN TERMS OF A STRAIGHT LINE VERSUS A JAGGED LINE.

SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE STAFF REPORT WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, YOU KNOW, SUCH AN OLD TREE, WHY THAT WOULDN'T COME UP IN THE STAFF REPORT.

SO, UH, JUST OVERALL, I JUST WANNA SHARE THAT IT CONCERNS ME THAT THE STATE OF THE CITY IS NOT ACKNOWLEDGING THESE HERITAGE TREES AND, UM, BRINGING PRIORITY TO THEM.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER FOREMAN.

THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMISSION PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

WITH THAT

[5. Determination that the Project is Categorically Exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) Under Class 15 of the CEQA Guidelines Section 15315 (Minor Land Divisions) and a Tentative Parcel Map Dividing One Lot into Two on a Property Located at 2241-2245 Van Ness Avenue. Case File No.: 2025-01 LS APN: 558-330-04-00. ]

WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE, DETERMINATION THAT A PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT UNDER CLASS 15 OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 5 3 1 5 MINOR LAND DIVISIONS AND A TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP DIVIDING ONE LAW INTO TWO ON A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 2 4 1 2 2 4 5 VAN NESS AVENUE.

CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 1 LS A PN NUMBER 5 5 8 3 3 0 4 OH.

BEFORE WE BEGIN, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES RELATED TO THIS HEARING? THIS IS EACH PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S OPPORTUNITY TO DISCLOSE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, UH, PROPERTY INSPECTIONS OR EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.

OKAY.

SEEING THAT THERE IS NONE, UH, MADAM SECRETARY HAVE THE NOTICES AS REQUIRED BY LAW BEING GIVEN AND DO WE HAVE, HAVE THE COMPLETE FILE OF EXHIBITS, UH, OF EXHIBITS, CORRESPONDENCE AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YES.

PERFECT.

WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM FOR US? UH, GOOD EVENING VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, THE PUBLIC.

MY NAME IS SOPHIA DEPUGH AND I'LL BE PRESENTING ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP.

DIVIDING ONE LAW INTO TWO ON A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 2 4 1 2 2 4 5 VAN NESS AVENUE CASE FILE 20 25 0 1 LS.

UM, THIS LAW IS LOCATED IN OUR RS TWO ZONE, WHICH IS OUR SMALL LOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONE.

UH, THE LOT'S APPROXIMATELY 18,000 SQUARE FEET WITH A WIDTH OF 66 FEET AND A DEPTH OF 272 FEET.

THIS LOT IS DEVELOPED WITH TWO EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

UH, THIS LOT HAS FRONTAGE ON VAN NESS AVENUE AND HARBISON AVENUE, HOWEVER, HARBISON AVENUE IS AN UNIMPROVED STREET.

SO BOTH LOTS WILL BE ACCESSED FROM VAN NESS.

SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL, UM, MOSTLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

AND THEN TO THE WEST IS GRANGER JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL.

HERE'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE SITE.

SO LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN SEE THE LOT GOES ALL THE WAY FROM VAN NESS TO HARBISON.

UH, THIS IS THE VIEW FROM VAN NESS AVENUE.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

AND THEN HERE IS THE VIEW FROM HARBISON AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ADDITIONAL EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP TO DIVIDE ONE LOT INTO TWO PARCEL.

ONE WILL BE 7,986 SQUARE FEET WITH 66 66 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON VAN NESS AVENUE.

AND

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THE EXISTING 930 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY HOME WILL BE DEMOLISHED.

UH, PARCEL TWO WILL BE ABOUT 9,966 SQUARE FEET WITH 66 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON HARBISON AVENUE.

AND THE EXISTING 2000 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THAT LOT WILL REMAIN.

NO NEW DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.

HERE IS THE PARCEL MAP.

UH, YOU CAN SEE PARCEL ONE THAT'S CLOSEST TO VAN NESS PARCEL.

TWO FRIENDS HARON.

MOVING ON TO STAFF'S ANALYSIS.

THE PROPOSED LAW SPLIT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, SPECIFICALLY LAND USE POLICY 2.3, WHICH ENCOURAGES HOUSING TYPES THAT ARE MORE AFFORDABLE, SUCH AS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

THIS SPLIT WOULD ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL ADUS.

THE SPLIT IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE HOUSING ELEMENT BECAUSE IT WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY.

AND THE PROPOSED SPLIT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION, WHICH ALLOWS UP TO NINE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

CURRENTLY THE SITE HAS A DENSITY OF 4.8 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

THE PROPOSAL IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.

TITLE 17 HAS REQUIREMENTS FOR DEDICATION, IMPROVEMENTS, DESIGN STANDARDS, AND CONFORMANCE.

WITH TITLE 18, THE SITE IS ON AN ESTABLISHED BLOCK WITH AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT FRONTING VANNESS AVENUE.

NO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC STREETS ARE REQUIRED TO BE DEDICATED AND ANY REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS ARE INCLUDED AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

THE PROPOSAL IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE CODE.

UH, THE RS TWO ZONE PERMITS, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES.

AGAIN, IT MEETS THE DENSITY WITH A MAX OF NINE DWELL UNITS ACRE.

THIS PROJECT HAS OR THIS PARCEL HAS 4.8 D ONE UNITS PER ACRE.

AND IT ALSO MEETS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE RS TWO ZONE, SUCH AS MINIMUM LAW AREA, STREET FRONTAGE AND REQUIRED SETBACKS.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT BE CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM CQA PURSUANT TO CLASS 15, WHICH IS MINOR LAND DIVISIONS.

IF APPROVED, STAFF WILL FILE A NOTICE OF EXEMPTION.

AND THEN AGAIN, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A CONDITION OF APPROVAL RELATED TO FILING THE NOTICE OF EXEMPTION, WHICH JUST DEALS WITH TIMELINES.

MOVING ON TO THE CONDITIONS, UH, STAFF INCLUDED CONDITIONS FROM OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND SWEETWATER AUTHORITY.

WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED CONDITIONS RELATED TO FINAL MAP REQUIREMENTS AND APPLICABLE CODES.

IN SUMMARY, THE PROPOSED LAW SPLIT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, AND THE LAND USE CODE.

THE OPTIONS TONIGHT ARE FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CE QA AND APPROVE THE TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP BASED ON THE FINDINGS LISTED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION OR FIND THE PROJECT NOT EXEMPT FROM CE QA AND OR DENY THE TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP BASED ON THE FINDINGS OR CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE REVISED CONDITIONS IF APPROVED, IT WILL GO AS A NOTICE OF DECISION TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, I INVITE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THEIR 15 MINUTE, UH, PRESENTATION.

DO I HAVE SOMEBODY HERE THAT PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SIR.

HI, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

UH, MY NAME IS ABRAM GARCIA.

THANK YOU.

I SHARE THE PROPERTY WITH MY BROTHER.

WE INHERITED, UH, WHEN MY MOTHER PASSED AWAY.

UM, I REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO ADD.

UM, THAT PRESENTATION PRETTY MUCH EXPLAINS IT ALL.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I CAN ANSWER THEM.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER ARMA? HELLO MR. ABRAM.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

UM, WITH THE PARCEL SPLIT, PARCEL NUMBER TWO, HOW WOULD YOU ACCESS THAT? UM, BACK HOME IF IT'S GONNA BE SPLIT RIGHT THERE? UM, NO, NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WE ACCESS IT TODAY.

IN THE BACK PARCEL TOO, THERE'S A HOME THERE.

IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 1970 AND WE HAVE ACCESS THROUGH VENICE AVENUE THROUGH A CONCRETE PATHWAY ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK, A DRIVEWAY THERE WOULD NEED TO BE AN EASEMENT.

SO THERE'S A DOTTED LINE AND THAT PRETTY MUCH MARKS THE DRIVEWAY.

UM, IT'S ABOUT 18 FEET RIGHT NOW OF CLEARANCE AND THERE'S MORE CLEARANCE INTO THE EMPTY LOT.

UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOGRAPH, IT, UH, FROM THE STREET VIEW, YOU CAN PRE GET A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF HOW WIDE THE OPENING IS.

IT'S PRETTY MUCH A DRIVEWAY THERE IT IS.

SO

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YOU HAVE AN OPEN LOT AND THAT PIECE OF CONCRETE THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 14 FEET AND THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 14 FEET, UH, FOUR FEET TO THE RIGHT.

SO YOU HAVE ABOUT HOW IS 18 FEET RIGHT THERE AND IF YOU NEEDED MORE, UM, FOR, UH, ACCESS, IT COULD BE PROVIDED THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE YOU LIKE THAT THIS WOULD BE A SHARED.

OKAY.

THIS PHOTOGRAPH SHOWS THE FULL LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY TO THE BACK HOUSE.

SO IF YOU WERE TO SELL THE, YOU WOULD BE SELLING THE FRONT LOT OR THE BACK LOT.

UM, IT'S UNDETERMINED BECAUSE WE JUST ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY THROUGH MY MOTHER'S PASSING.

SO, UM, WE'VE JUST ESTABLISHING, UH, AND CLOSING THE TRUST.

SO WE HAVE NOT DECIDED EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO, BUT WE DO KNOW WE NEED TO SPLIT.

THAT'LL GIVE US OPTIONS TO MAYBE PERHAPS SELL IN THE FUTURE.

WE DON'T KNOW.

WE WANNA KEEP THE PROPERTY IN THE FAMILY.

OKAY.

AND IN AND INHERITED IT TO OUR KIDS AND MAKE, WE WANT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THERE.

WE DON'T WANT TO RUIN THE, THE COMMUNITY OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

'CAUSE WE GREW UP THERE.

WE'RE A LONGTIME NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS.

MY BROTHER CURRENTLY LIVES IN, UH, SACRAMENTO AND WANTS TO RETURN TO UH, SAN DIEGO AND, AND FINISHES YEARS HERE IN NATIONAL CITY.

I HAVE A, A CLARIFYING QUESTION OF STAFF.

UM, IF THERE WAS A LOT SPLIT, WOULD AND WOULD THERE BE ABLE TO BE ACCESS FROM UM, TO THE OTHER LOT FROM HARBISON? NO, THE LOT CANNOT BE ACCESSED FROM HARBISON.

IT CANNOT BE ACCESSED, BUT THERE IS A EASEMENT PROPOSED WITH THE SPLIT TO ALLOW ACCESS FROM VARIOUS OKAY, SO THERE IS AN EASEMENT.

CORRECT.

THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE, UM, SO BOTH, BOTH PARCELS WOULD BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE DRIVEWAY? CORRECT.

SO THERE, THERE WOULD BE AN EASEMENT TO ACCESS THE BACKLOG.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

YES.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER, FOREMAN? YOU'RE UNSURE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO WITH IT.

I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT IS MOTIVATING YOU TO GET IT SPLIT AT THIS TIME? GIVE US OPTIONS IN THE FUTURE IF WE DE SHOULD DECIDE TO BUILD IN THE BACK OR, I DON'T KNOW.

WE'RE LOOKING AT OPTIONS NOW.

UM, THERE'S FOUR BROTHERS AND, UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION GOING ON.

UM, SO EVERYTHING IS UP IN THE AIR, BUT WE DO KNOW ONE THING WE WANT TO KEEP IT IN THE FAMILY AND IF WE SHOULD BUILD IN THAT FRONT LOT AFTER I DEMOLISH THE PROPERTY, IT WILL BE A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DWELLING.

WE KNOW THAT MUCH AT THIS POINT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS? OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

UM, WE WILL NOW HEAR LIVE FOR MANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.

EACH PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A MAXIMUM TIME OF THREE MINUTES.

MADAM, I'M SORRY.

A MAXIMUM TIME OF ONE MINUTE.

MADAM SECRETARY.

ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, EITHER IN PERSON OR IN ZOOM? WE DO HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER.

OKAY.

I HAVE TWO HERE OR TWO.

MM-HMM .

OKAY, PERFECT.

UM, I HAVE TWO PUBLIC SPEAKERS, NOBODY ON ZOOM.

UH, WE CALL FORTH, UH, DOYLE MORRISON.

I HAVE THE SAME COMMENT I HAD AS ON THE OTHER ITEM.

UM, AND NO ONE ADDRESSED IT.

SO I WOULD MAYBE ASK THE COUNT, UH, COMMISSION IF THEY COULD ASK STAFF THAT QUESTION THAT THIS STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE DETERMINED THAT IT BE EXEMPT FROM CQA.

AND IS THAT ONLY THE LOT SPLIT PROJECT THAT IS EXEMPT FROM CQA OR IS THAT CARRYING OVER TO ANY FUTURE PROJECTS? OR WOULD FUTURE PROJECTS HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS AND GET CQA EXEMPTION? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

WE CALL FORTH, UH, ALICIA MORRISON.

OKAY.

WELL IT WAS NICE HEARING THAT THE APPLICANT SAY THAT HE WANTS TO KEEP THE, THE PROPERTY AND THE FAMILY BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S VERY VALUABLE WHEN,

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UH, PROPERTIES CAN GO DOWN THE GENERATIONS.

AND I KNOW ACCORDING TO NATIONAL CITY'S BUDGET, THERE'S LIKE 63.8% RENTERS OCCUPYING AND ONLY 30.5% THAT ARE OWNER OCCUPIED.

SO I KNOW I PERSONALLY, I IT IT'S DISHEARTENING TO SEE BEAUTIFUL HOMES, UM, TORN DOWN AND HAVE THEM DEVELOPED.

UM, SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, KEEPING, KEEPING IT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE 'CAUSE IT HELPS PRESERVE WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, YOU KNOW.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ALL I WANTED TO SAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I REQUEST THE SECRETARY PROCEED WITH DISCLOSING IF ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED IN WRITING.

MADAMS SECRETARY, WERE THERE ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS ON THIS? NO.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, WOULD STAFF LIKE TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? UM, I WAS GONNA SAY IT CAME UP A COUPLE TIMES, UH, REGARDING, UH, CQA, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT BEFORE US TODAY IS A SPLIT OF THE LOT.

IT'S SIMPLY A DIVISION OF LAND.

THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED.

SHOULD ALL OR A PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY BE PROPOSED FOR DEVELOPMENT LATER ON THE NATURE OF THAT PROJECT WOULD DETERMINE THE UH, SQL REVIEW FOR THAT PROJECT.

IN MANY CASES, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A BRAND NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON THE NEWLY CREATED LOT, IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE SQL.

IT WOULD JUST BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING PERMIT LEVEL PROJECT.

BUT STAFF CAN'T MAKE A DETERMINATION ON A PROJECT WE HAVEN'T SEEN YET.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DOES THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVES MAKE, UH, WISH TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENT IN RESPONSE TO ANY PUBLIC TESTIMONY? OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, DO ANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS POINT? WE'RE GOOD.

OKAY.

UM, DOES ANY, HAVING OF HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF STAFF AND PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING FORTH A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? THIS IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION BY COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? UH, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN? I'LL SECOND THAT I THINK.

I DON'T THINK SHE CAN PUSH ONE.

GIMME ONE.

I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND.

CAN YOU, ARE YOU ABLE TO PUSH YOUR BUTTON? NO, SHE'S NOT ABLE TO.

OKAY.

I WAS ABLE TO MAKE THE MOTION.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, PERFECT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, THIS IS, UH, HAVING, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FOREMAN TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.

COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? NO.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE, UH, CAST THE VOTE.

UM, SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'RE GONNA RECAST THAT VOTE JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT RECORD RECORDED.

SO IF I CAN HAVE COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA AND SECOND, UH, BY COMMISSIONER FOREMAN AND THEN WE WILL RECAST THAT VOTE.

OKAY.

MOTION APPROVE A UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT THE THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. SECRETARY COMMISSIONERS.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR IS THERE ANY COMMISSIONER THAT WOULD LIKE TO BRING A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION? WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, BY COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.

IS THIS AN A SECOND BY, UH, COMMISSIONER ARMENTA TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION? UM, NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH OH THREE.

A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY DETERMINING THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.

CA UNDER CLASS 15 OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 5 3 1 5 MINOR LAND DIVISIONS AND APPROVING A TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP DIVIDING ONE LAW INTO TWO, LOCATED AT 2 2 4 1 DASH 2 2 4 5 VAN NESS AVENUE.

CASE FILE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 0 1

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A PN NUMBER 5 5 8 3 3 0 4 OH.

BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.

NO FURTHER COMMENT.

IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION BY ANY COMMISSIONER, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

MOTION APPROVED WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[STAFF REPORTS ]

WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO STAFF REPORTS.

DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.

UM, SO I HAD NOTHING TO REPORT, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THE RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 20 THAT WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER IN THE MEETING, THE SIGNED ONE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN UPLOADED TO LASER FEE.

SO EXECUTIVE SECRETARY, IS THAT CORRECT? SO WOULD YOU MIND WORKING WITH OUR CITY CLERK TO GET THE SIGNED VERSION UPLOADED TO LASER LASER FISH AS SOON AS POSSIBLE? GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSION.

I JUST WANT TO THANK ASHLYN FOR VERY COMPREHENSIVE, UH, PRESENTATION THAT, AND THAT'S SOMETIMES A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT IT'S REALLY WELL BROKEN DOWN, SO IF YOU REVISIT THE PRESENTATION, UM, IT IT, IT DOES A GOOD JOB ABOUT WINNING ALL OF THE CONCERNS WITH REGARDS TO CQA.

SO, BUT THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.

UM, I HAVE COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.

NOTHING TO REPORT.

THANK YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ IS ABSENT.

COMMISSIONER ARMINTA.

UH, A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON JUST THE, UM, THE, THE DOCUMENT WITH THE SIGNATURE, IS THERE LIKE A TIME LIMIT FROM WHEN SOMETHING GETS UH, APPROVED AND DO WE HAVE A CERTAIN TIME LIMIT BEFORE IT'S SUPPOSED TO GET SIGNED AND UPLOADED FOR THE PUBLIC? I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I KNOW IT'S OUR BEST PRACTICE THAT RIGHT AFTER THE MEETING IT'LL GET SIGNED.

I BELIEVE THE REASON WHY IT WASN'T SIGNED RIGHT AFTER THE MEETING WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DENIAL RESOLUTION PREPARED.

UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS SENT TO BE UPLOADED.

UM, BUT I'M, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT HAPPENED WITH STAFF, BUT WE CAN FIND OUT FOR YOU.

OKAY.

UH, WELL WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR, UM, THE STAFF FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.

AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR THE PUBLIC FOR, UH, KEEPING US ON OUR TOES AND I LEARNED WITH EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE PROCESS AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY FOR ASKING ALL THOSE, UH, PERTINENT QUESTIONS.

UM, I ALSO, UH, JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK MENTION, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR THOSE OF, UH, A FAITH, YOU KNOW, I MOURN WITH YOU, UH, THE PASSING THE POPE FRANCIS AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER MENTA.

COMMISSIONER QUINONE, NOTHING.

THIS COMMISSIONER FOREMAN, RIGHT? UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS HEREBY ADJOURNED UNTIL THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF MAY 5TH.

UM, I APOLOGIZE.

VICE CHAIR.

YEAH.

YOU DIDN'T RECOGNIZE YOURSELF? OH, I'M SORRY.

I RECOGNIZED MYSELF AND I HAVE NO COMMENT AT THIS TIME.

, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS HEREBY ADJOURNED UNTIL THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF MAY 5TH, 2025 AT 6:00 PM THE TIME IS 7:45 PM.