* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] ALRIGHT, [1. CALL TO ORDER] BEFORE WE PROCEED, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST FOR THE INTERPRETER TO TAKE A MOMENT TO EXPLAIN THE CITY'S INTERPRETIVE SERVICES THAT WILL BE OFFERED FOR THIS EVENING'S MEETING. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS WILL BE AN ANNOUNCEMENT IN SPANISH NATIONAL CITY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT. AS, AS A REMINDER, IF WE COULD PLEASE SILENCE ALL CELL PHONES OR ANY OTHER DEVICES IN THE CHAMBER. AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER A LIVE WEBCAST OF THE MEETING MAY BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. IF YOU'RE WATCHING VIA ZOOM OR IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM VIEW, UH, VIEWING THE SPANISH VERSION OF THE MEETING INTERPRETER INSTRUCTIONS WILL APPEAR IN, IN THE CHAT BOX AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO PREFER TO SIT IN THE CHAMBER, HEADSETS ARE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE LIVE SPANISH TRANSLATION. PLEASE SEE THE CITY CLERK, UH, TO CHECK OUT A HEADSET. THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY'S WEBSITE INFORMS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. IN PERSON IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS BY SUBMITTING A SALMON COLORED SLIP. AND, UH, I ACTUALLY TURNED THAT ONE OFF AND IT STILL COME BACK ON. YES. AND, UH, I DON'T THINK SO, BUT YES. I, I HAD THAT THING TURNED ALL THE WAY DOWN. IT STILL CAME UP. UH, THE, UH, LET'S SEE IN A NUMBER OF WAYS, IN PERSON WITH ONE OF THE SALMON COLORED SLIPS OR BY ZOOM, BY PRE-REGISTERED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, NO LATER THAN TWO HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING. AND BY EMAILING NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING. AND ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IF RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE. WITH THAT, I GOT ALL THE READING OUTTA THE WAY. CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA PRESENT. VICE MAYOR BUSH. HERE. MAYOR MORRISON. UH, PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. IF WE COULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND I'LL ASK, UH, MEMBER YAMANI, IF YOU'D LEAD US, PLEASE, PLEASE STAND. READY. BEGIN ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. NATION, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE HAD, SORRY, WE, I KNOW IT'S NOT TRADITIONAL, BUT WE HAD A LAST MINUTE, UH, CANCELLATION ON THE, UH, PERSON THAT WAS GONNA DO THE INVOCATION. SO WE WILL NOT HAVE ONE THIS EVENING. WE'LL BE BACK IN TWO WEEKS. OKAY. UM, NOW WITH [5. PUBLIC COMMENT] THAT, WE GO ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE'LL NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS OR MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, MR. OTHER, OTHER WAY. OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE. UH, AT THIS POINT THEN, UM, CITY CLERK, DO WE, WE HAVE A NUMBER MIGHT TAKE IT FOR THIS. OKAY. WE GOTTA GET THE, WE GOTTA GET THE INTERPRETATION OFF OF THE SPEAKER. UH, SHELLY, WE CANNOT HEAR YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT. WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, VIA ZOOM. OKAY. WE'VE GOT, UM, SEVEN PEOPLE THAT HAVE REGISTERED. OKAY. AND I'VE GOT ABOUT ANOTHER, AT LEAST 15 OR SO THERE LOOKS LIKE ON, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ALSO. UM, ONCE AGAIN, I'M GOING TO ASSIGN THIS TO, UH, ONE MINUTE ON DURATION ON PUBLIC COMMENTS. AND WE WILL, LET'S SEE START. OKAY. AND WE WILL START ON THAT TIME. IF WE GO BEYOND THE, UH, FOR ANY REASON WE GO BEYOND THE 30 MINUTES, THEN THOSE WILL GO TO THE END OF THE MEETING. UH, FOR THE CHAIR. YES. CAN WE TAKE UP, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT IN PERSON FIRST? WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. YEP. THAT IS OUR, THAT'S OUR NEW TRADITION. [00:05:02] OKAY. WITH THAT, UM, WE'LL START WITH, UH, LOUISA MCCARTHY TO BE FOLLOWED BY LILIANA ARMENTA TO BE FOLLOWED BY PAUL WADOWSKI. NOT THE BEST EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IT'S A VERY SAD DAY FOR NATIONAL CITY LOSING A $10 MILLION CASE BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LISTEN OR TAKE ACTION TO THE PROBLEMS. BROUGHT UP TO YOU BY OFFICER ASHLEY. I WOULD LIKE TO STATE MY RESIGNATION TO THE NATIONAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD. I CANNOT STAND BEHIND A DEPARTMENT THAT DISCRIMINATES AGAINST THE LGBTQ PLUS COMMUNITY THAT I AM A PART OF. UNFORTUNATELY, EVERYONE SUFFERS WITH A SCARLET LETTER BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T THINK LIKE YOU. SADLY, THEY GET SMEARED WITH THE SAME BRUSH. I PERSONALLY KNOW THAT IT'S NOT A GENERAL COMMENT OF ALL THE STAFF IN NATIONAL CITY BECAUSE WE GO WAY BACK IN THE NINETIES. THE FATHER OF MY KIDS IS A POLICE OFFICER, A FORMER SERGEANT HERE AND FROM THE GOOD OLD BOY OF DETER. THINGS HAVE DRASTICALLY CHANGED. IT'S VERY SAD. THANK YOU. OKAY. LILIANA ARMENTA, PAUL WADOWSKI. AND THEN, UH, LAURA WILKINSON SETTON. GOOD EVENING MAYOR. VICE MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, I'M HERE, UH, TO ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE ASSISTANCE ON OUR PUBLIC SAFETY. UH, I, I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE MITIGATION, UH, THAT YOU GUYS HAD DONE WITH OUR, UH, PROSTITUTION ISSUES ALONG, UH, ROOSEVELT. MM-HMM . BUT, UH, I DO, UH, HAVE A 14-YEAR-OLD AND SHE WALKS THREE AND A HALF BLOCKS TO THE BUS STOP. AND THAT BUS STOP IS RIGHT NEXT TO STARS AND STRIPES. AND SHE'S THERE AT SEVEN 30 IN THE MORNING. AND THERE ARE PROSTITUTES STILL. AND WHAT SCARES ME MORE ARE THE MEN THAT GO AND LOOK FOR THESE PROSTITUTES. SO SHE HAS TO WALK WITH A MACE, UH, SPRAY IN HER HAND AND FACETIME ME FROM WORK. 'CAUSE I HAVE TO BE AT WORK AT SIX. SO JUST, UH, WANNA ASK FOR MORE SAFETY THERE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, PAUL WADOWSKI, LAURA WILKERSON, SENTIN, AND THEN ALEX. HEY, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UH, JUST A REQUEST REALLY, UH, REGARDING HOW YOU ENGAGE THE PUBLIC. I KNOW RECENTLY YOU GUYS HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, THAT WINDOW OF TIME FOR PEOPLE TO SUBMIT THEIR, THEIR COMMENTS ONLINE, UM, SO THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY CONSIDER 'EM ON ITEMS. AND WHEN YOU LIMIT, UH, COMMENTS TO A MINUTE, UM, PEOPLE ARE RUSHING. I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE GETTING, UH, THE IMPACT THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, OR THE IMPACT THAT, THAT YOU SHOULD BE GETTING IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY CONSIDERING THE COMMENTS WHEN YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS UP HERE. AND THEN MAYBE EVEN THINKING ABOUT, UM, SOME KIND OF RESTRUCTURING OF, OF THAT COMMENT PROCESS. UM, ALLOWING FOR FOLKS SO YOU GET MORE ENGAGEMENT TO, TO COMMENT ON ITEMS DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. UM, I'M NOT SURE IF, IF THERE ARE STRUCTURAL THINGS THAT MAKE THAT AN IMPOSSIBILITY, BUT YOU WOULD GET MORE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND FOLKS WOULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, MORE LIKELY BE OUT HERE IN LARGER NUMBERS. SO THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. UH, LET'S SEE. WE HAD, UM, LAURA WILKINSON SENT IN. UH, ALEX LOOKS LIKE NEIL NEAR, I CAN'T STARTS WITH AN N. OKAY. HELLO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS LAURA WILKINSON SENTIN. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MY COMPANY CALI MOTA. WE'RE THE ONLY FEMALE OWNED CANNABIS APPLICANT, AND WE ARE STILL AWAITING ANY KIND OF REPLY FROM THE CITY THAT WE HAVE ASKED NUMEROUS TIMES. AND I HAVE ASKED THAT THE DAY IS FOR. AND SO HAS MY PARTNER, JACQUELINE RENOSO, A LIFELONG RESIDENT HERE IN NATIONAL CITY FOR AN UPDATE ON WHERE IT IS. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ONE FROM THE CITY MANAGER. THE LAST UPDATE THAT WAS DONE IN PUBLIC WAS JULY OF 2022. AND WE KNOW VERY CLEARLY THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ALLEGATIONS OF FRAUD THAT SOME OF THESE MEMBERS HAVE FALLEN OUT, THAT THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, SOME OF THEM ARE NOT GONNA BE FULFILLED. AND WE ARE ANXIOUSLY WAITING WITH CAPITAL TO INVEST IN THE CITY AND BRING YOU TAX REVENUE THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY NEED VERY, VERY BADLY AT THIS POINT. WE WANNA DO BUSINESS IN NATIONAL CITY. PLEASE ALLOW US TO, AND PLEASE COMMUNICATE WITH US THROUGH YOUR CITY MANAGER SO WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE STAND. BECAUSE IF WE HAVE CAPITAL TO DEPLOY AND IT'S JUST SITTING THERE AND WE DON'T WANNA HAVE TO DEPLOY IT ELSEWHERE AND FIND OURSELVES IN A DIFFICULT POSITION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. OKAY, ALEX, BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MIKE MONTOYA. BE FOLLOWED BY RANDY CASTLE SALGADO. UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ALEX NEW. I AM THE SYSTEMS LIBRARIAN HERE AT OUR LIBRARY. [00:10:01] I'M FORTUNATE TO BE ONE OF THE FEW FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AT THE LIBRARY. I'M SPEAKING UP TODAY TO ASK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT DURING THESE LABOR NEGOTIATIONS, NOT JUST FOR THE FULL-TIME MEMBERS, BUT UH, MORE SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR PART-TIME MEMBERS. A LOT OF THE CITY DOESN'T SEE THE IMPACT THAT PART-TIME EMPLOYEES HAVE ON THE CITY, UH, BECAUSE A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS DON'T HAVE ANY. BUT AT THE LIBRARY AND, UH, COMMUNITY SERVICE, THEY OUTNUMBER US THREE TO ONE AT LEAST. UH, THEY'RE VITAL TO THE OPERATION OF OUR DEPARTMENTS AND THE COMMUNITY. UM, I'VE PERSONALLY KNOWN NUMEROUS EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR OVER 10 YEARS. SOME GO BACK AS FAR AS BEFORE THE LIBRARY, THE NEW LIBRARY WAS BUILT. UM, THERE IS JUST AS DEDICATED AS THE FULL-TIMERS AND THEY COME TO WORK EVERY DAY FOR LITTLE TO NO BENEFITS. THEY DESERVE MORE FROM THE CITY. UH, IF YOU LOOK THAT YOU, FOR YOUR COMMENT, THANK YOU. MICHAEL MONTOYA, FOLLOWED BY RANDY CASTLE SALGADO, FOLLOWED BY, UH, RUTH, UH, CUEVAS. THANK YOU, COUNSEL MAYOR, I'M ONLY HERE FOR ONE THING AND THAT'S JUST TO EXPRESS WHAT I SAID LAST TIME ABOUT THE ACCUSATIONS COMING FROM TWO PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN LIVE IN OUR CITY WHO OWN A CEMETERY. AND FOR A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN CANCELED ANYWAY. AND YET COUNCILMAN JOSE DECIDED TO GET BACK ON ANOTHER HORSE AND RIDE AROUND TOWN AND SCREAMING AND HOLLERING, AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T EVEN SUPPORT HIM. SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, YOU GUYS GOTTA PUT THIS GUY TO, TO BED. YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING WITH HIM. GET HIM OUTTA HERE. LET HIM GO TO SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE MAYBE THEY'LL TAKE HIM. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BECAUSE A LOT OF CITIES ARE FALLING, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION. BRING A THING AGAINST A DECENT MAYOR AND A SECRETARY IS CRAZY. IT'S NOT FAIR AT ALL. AND THE CITIZENS ARE GETTING TIRED OF IT. SO, AND ME, THE BIGGEST ONE ABOUT, THANK YOU. OKAY, RANDY CASTLE SALGADO. UH, RUTH CUEVAS, FOLLOWED BY, UH, JEANNIE. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS. A MOMENT. I'M GOOD. OKAY, GO FOR IT. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING AT CITY HALL IS UNACCEPTABLE AND FRANKLY, OUTRAGEOUS. LET'S START WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY BARRY SCHULTZ. BARRY IS COSTING THE CITY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND NOW HE'S CROSSED A SERIOUS LEGAL AND ETHICAL LINE. BARRY HAS HAD A COMPLAINT FILED AGAINST HIM WITH THE STATE BAR, VERY SOLICITED AND RECEIVED $9,000 OF TAXPAYER MONEY FOR AN INVESTIGATION INTO HIS OWN CONDUCT. LET'S BE CLEAR, THIS WAS NOT A TRIAL, NOT A HEARING, JUST A CASUAL INTERVIEW WITH THE STATE BAR. AND AN INSTEAD OF BRINGING THIS FORWARD IN A PUBLICIZED HEARING, BARRY CIRCUMVENTED THE PUBLIC PROCESS ENTIRELY. THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 10 90. PLAIN AND SIMPLE PUBLIC OFFICIALS ARE PROHIBITED FROM APPROVING CONTRACTS FROM WHICH THEY BENEFIT. AND HERE HE IS SOLICITING, APPROVING, AND CASHING IN ON A CONTRACT FOR HIS OWN LEGAL DEFENSE. BUT IT DOESN'T, YOUR DOESN'T STOP THERE. YOUR THE LAW FIRM THAT DEFENDED THE CITY IN THE CUMMINS CASE, DEVANEY PATE, MORRIS AND CAMERON BARRY'S OLD LAW FIRM, AFFIRM HE HAS PUSHED MULTIPLE CONTRACTS. THANK YOU. YOUR, SINCE YOUR THANK YOU. NEXT IS, UH, IS IT, DON'T WANNA MESS UP YOUR NAME. , AND THEN ISA RIOS. UH, GOOD EVENING. HELLO, MY NAME IS RUTH CUEVAS. I AM A PROUD SEIU UNION MEMBER AND CITY EMPLOYEE FOR 20 YEARS. I WORK FOR THE PUBLIC LIBRARY. I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT PART-TIME EMPLOYEES. PART-TIME ARE HARD WORKERS WHO HELP THE CITY RUN PROGRAMS AND DEPARTMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY YET HAVE ONLY A CURED SICK TIME, BENEFITS, MANY PART-TIME EMPLOYEES WORK, A CAREER BASED JOB THAT PROVIDES SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT BEING COMPENSATED. FOR EXAMPLE, POLICE, DISPATCH, LIBRARIANS, LIBRARY TECHNICIANS, COMMUNITY SERVICE TO NAME A FEW, UH, SPEAK A SECOND LANGUAGE AND USE IT MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY WITHOUT BEING COMPENSATED. WE ALSO WORK ON HOLIDAYS WITHOUT PAY. I AM A MOTHER OF TWO AND WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME BENEFITS. WE ARE ASKING THE CITY TO PLEASE COMPENSATE US AND MAKE THESE CHANGES THAT SUPPORT ALL EMPLOYEES. WE MATTER EQUALLY. PART-TIMERS HAVE THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY COVERED, BUT DO YOU GUYS GOT US? THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, JANINE. OKAY. I THINK IT'S JANINE IS. OKAY. HI, MY NAME IS JEANINE SANTA CRUZ HERNANDEZ AND I'M A PROUD SCIU 2 2 1 UNION MEMBER. AND I SEE AN EMPLOYEE AS A REFERENCE LIBRARIAN IN THE PUBLIC LIBRARY HERE AT NATIONAL CITY. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT PART-TIMERS HELP THE CITY, UH, KEEP RUNNING. YET CURRENTLY WE RECEIVE FEWER BENEFITS THAN FULL-TIME WORKERS. THE WORK I DO IMPROVES COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THEIR LIVES. I WORK WITH CHILDREN, TEENS AND MOTHERS ON A DAILY BASIS. WHEN I LOOK AT THESE FAMILIES AND HOW WONDERFUL [00:15:01] IT WOULD BE TO, TO RAISE A FAMILY AND TO HAVE CERTAIN BENEFITS FOR PART-TIME MOTHERS. CURRENTLY, THIS IS NOT MY REALITY. IF AND WHEN I DECIDE TO HAVE A FAMILY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PAM OFF AND HOLIDAY PAY. FURTHERMORE, I HAVE 45,000 IN STUDENT DEBT, LOW STUDENT LOAN DEBT, AND TO EARN, IN ORDER TO EARN MY MASTER'S DEGREE IN LIBRARIANSHIP. AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THE CITY TO HELP PART-TIMERS LIKE MYSELF STRUGGLING WITH STUDENT LOAN DEBT TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR EDUCATION REIMBURSEMENT. THANK YOU. ISSA RIOS TO BE FOLLOWED BY DOYLE MORRISON. OKAY, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ISSA AND I WORK AS A LIBRARY ASSISTANT. WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF LIBRARIES, THEY THINK OF BOOKS, BUT WE OFFER MUCH MORE. WE ARE COMMUNITY RESOURCE, A SAFE PLACE, A CLASSROOM, AND A NEIGHBORHOOD HUB. HERE PEOPLE BORROW TOOLS, ACCESS, WIFI, PRACTICE, YOGA, AND SO MUCH MORE. LIKE MOST OF MY COWORKERS, I AM A PART-TIME WORKER. THE LIBRARY WOULD NOT RUN WITHOUT PART-TIME WORKERS. CAN ALL PART-TIME WORKERS PLEASE STAND UP? OUT OF 38 STAFF MEMBERS, 30 OF US ARE PART-TIME WORKERS. I, LIKE MANY OF MY COWORKERS ALSO SPEAK A SECOND LANGUAGE WITHOUT COMPENSATION. WE WORK WITH DIRECTLY WITH THE COMMUNITY EVERY DAY EXCEEDING OUR JOB RESPONSIBILITY. BECAUSE THIS COMMUNITY DESERVES THE BEST SERVICE, PLEASE DO NOT TAKE OUR COMPASSION FOR GRANTED. THIS JOB ALONE IS NOT ENOUGH FOR MOST OF US TO, TO SURVIVE. MOST OF US HAVE A SECOND JOB TO PAY FOR RENT, CHILDCARE, AND GROCERIES. MOST OF US CAN'T EVEN AFFORD TO JOIN THE UNION BECAUSE WE MAKE SO LITTLE. WE WORK HERE BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. WHEN YOU INVEST IN US, YOU INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY. PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING AND COMPENSATE US FAIRLY FOR OUR WORK. THIS MEANS A LIVING WAGE AND BENEFITS. THANK YOU. GOOD. THANK YOU. DOYLE MORRISON TO BE FOLLOWED BY ALICIA MORRISON TO BE FOLLOWED BY ED NIETO. HELLO. HELLO EVERYBODY. I'M HERE, UH, TO TALK TO YOU FOR ONE MINUTE AND, UH, I'M HERE BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE AT SWEETWATER AND ORANGE AND THE BROKEN HAWK LIGHT. THERE ARE STILL ACCIDENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING THERE. PEOPLE ARE SCUTTLING ACROSS PLAYING FROGGER. PEOPLE STOP OTHER CARS NOT PAYING ATTENTION. SLAM INTO 'EM. THAT'S NOT A SOLUTION. I REALIZE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME, SO LET ME JUST SAY WE CAN SAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN LAWSUITS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SETTING THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY UP IN THAT AREA. THANK YOU, UH, ALICIA MORRISON TO BE FOLLOWED BY EDWARD NIETO. MY NAME WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT I ATTENDED IN JUNE, 2019. I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE THAT MADE A COMMENT. UH, THERE WERE TWO OTHER COMMENTS AND I JUST WANNA READ, UH, ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM NICHOLAS ORTIZ BLAS, WHO IS ACTUALLY LIVING IN THE HOUSE AT THE TIME THAT THE PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED. I'M JUST CURIOUS, AS A RESIDENT, WHAT WILL BE HAPPENING TO ME? WHAT ARE MY OPTIONS? BLA A LONG-TERM RESIDENT OF THE HOME IN LINCOLN ACRES. ACRES THAT WILL BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY AND NATIONAL CITY WAS JUST HEARING ABOUT THAT PROPOSAL. I TOO JUST HEARD ABOUT THAT PROPOSAL THE DAY BEFORE WHEN COMMISSIONER LUIS NA KNOCKED ON MY DOOR AND ASKED ME IF I KNEW THERE WAS GONNA BE A MEETING REGARDING THE ANNEXATION OF THOSE TWO PROPERTIES. HAD HE NOT KNOCKED ON MY DOOR, I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COME AND SPEAK PUBLICLY ABOUT MY OPPOSITION ON THAT PROPERTY. ED RANTA, ONE MINUTE. THREE, THREE COMMENTS. UM, MSA AGREEMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BRING US MILLIONS. UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW AS OF TODAY, I DON'T HAVE A STATUS. I KNOW THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT IT, THERE WAS COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT A GREAT ATTORNEY AND THERE WAS, UH, OTHER EXCUSES, BUT I DIDN'T GET A FIRM COMMITMENT OF WHEN THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT FLUFF NEEDS TO GO AWAY AND WE NEED TO GET DOWN TO WHEN IS THE MONEY COMING. THE SECOND ISSUE I HAVE IS A COST ALLOCATION PLAN. UH, SHORT STORY, THANK YOU BEN AND, AND, AND, AND BRUCE AND, AND STEVE FOR MEETING WITH ME. BUT THE LONG STORY SHORT STORY HERE IS THAT, UH, WHERE WE'RE GOING, UH, GETTING INDIRECT COST TO, UH, OUR REVENUE, UH, BRINGING IN REVENUE. AND I THINK WE'RE SHORTCHANGING OURSELVES WHEN WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET REVENUE. I CAN GIVE YOU A LONGER STORY, BUT I ONLY GOT A MINUTE AND WE'RE LOSING MONEY AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON AND UH, BEN HAS A GOOD, GOOD, GOOD EXPLANATION, BUT IT'S NOT WHERE WE NEED TO GET. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. SECOND, OKAY. YOUR TIME. ONE LAST THING. THANK YOU. 2024 AUTO FINDINGS. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY ARE. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, UH, [00:20:01] NOW WE'LL GO ON TO OUR ZOOM, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. THANK YOU, JUDY STRANG. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MORRISON AND NATIONAL CITY CITY COUNCIL. I JUST WANTED TO BRING SOME NEWS TO YOU. THAT WAS A PRESS RELEASE THAT CAME OUT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH COMMUNITY YESTERDAY. IT WAS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF CANNABIS CONTROL AND THEY DO WEEKLY PRESS RELEASES. HOWEVER, THEY'VE BEEN COMING OUT MORE FREQUENTLY OUT OF CONCERNS FOR MARIJUANA PRODUCTS AND THEIR SAFETY. THIS ONE WAS ENTITLED CANNABIS PRODUCTS AND ADVERTISING THAT ARE ATTRACTIVE TO CHILDREN. A REMINDER, THEY ARE PROHIBITED. AND THEY GO ON TO MENTION THAT THE DCC, THE DEPARTMENT OF CANNABIS CONTROL DOES NOT VIEW THE PRODUCTS THEMSELVES AND CHECK TO SEE IF THEY'RE ATTRACTIVE TO YOUNG PEOPLE. AND SO IT'S UP TO THE LICENSEES, THOSE THROUGHOUT THE STATE TO BE SELF-REGULATED. I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST THAT NATIONAL CITY LOOK AT YOUR REGULATIONS AND SEE IF THEY'RE MEETING THE STATE'S REQUIREMENT THAT MARIJUANA PRODUCTS AND ADVERTISING NOT BE ATTRACTED TO CHILDREN. IT'S CERTAINLY THE EXPERIENCE OF PARENTS IN NATIONAL CITY AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THAT THIS IS NOT TRUE. AND WE COULD USE YOUR HELP IN ELIMINATING THOSE PRODUCTS FROM THE MARKETPLACE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU. MADISON WRAP. HI. GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL. I COME THIS EVENING TO DISCUSS A CRITICAL ISSUE THAT DIRECTLY IMPACTS THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF FUTURE GENERATIONS, WHICH IS THE USE OF CANNABIS DURING PREGNANCY. STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT USING CANNABIS DURING PREGNANCY CAN POSE SERIOUS RISKS TO BOTH THE MOTHER AND THE BABY. AND AS A MOTHER OF THREE YOUNG CHILDREN, THIS IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO ME. THE ACTIVE INGREDIENT IN CANNABIS THC ACTUALLY CROSSES THE PLACENTA AND CAN AFFECT THE DEVELOPING FETUS LEADING TO A RANGE OF POTENTIAL HEALTH PROBLEMS. THESE INCLUDE LOWER BIRTH WEIGHT, PRETERM BIRTH, AND DEVELOPMENTAL DELAYS. RESEARCH ALSO SUGGESTS THAT PRENATAL CANNABIS USE MAY IMPACT THE CHILD'S COGNITIVE FUNCTION LEADING TO LEARNING DIFFICULTIES AND BEHAVIORAL PROBLEMS AS THEY GROW THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF OBSTETRICIANS AND GYNECOLOGISTS. THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND OTHER LEADING HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS ALL STRONGLY ADVISE AGAINST USING CANNABIS DURING PREGNANCY. SO I URGE YOU TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH AND CONSIDER WAYS TO STRENGTHEN THE MESSAGING AROUND THE HARMS OF CANNABIS USE DURING PREGNANCY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BARBARA GORDON. UM, GOOD EVENING. TODAY IS TAKE DOWN TOBACCO NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION. APRIL 1ST IS A NATIONAL DAY THAT EMPOWERS YOUTH TO SPEAK UP AGAINST BIG TOBACCO. AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS WITH HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS THIS DAY ENCOURAGES EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THE DEVASTATING TOBACCO USE HAS IN OUR COMMUNITY THIS DAY AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE SMOKING AND VAPING EPI EPIDEMIC WITH OUR YOUNG PEOPLE. WHILE ALL SMOKING RELATED DEATHS ARE PREVENTABLE, IT'S PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT TO PROTECT TEENS. AND IT'S CRUCIAL OUR YOUNG PEOPLE UNDERSTAND TOBACCO LEADS TO A LIFETIME OF ADDICTION AND LUNG DISEASE. TOBACCO COMPANIES ARE AGGRESSIVELY MARKETING DEADLY AND ADDICTIVE PRODUCTS WHILE RAKING IN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN PROFITS. AS THE CITY GRAPPLES WITH THE COMPLEXITY OF TOBACCO CONTROL, I URGE YOU TO DEVELOP POLICIES THAT PREVENT YOUTH ACCESS TO TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND CURB THE MARKETING AIMED AT YOUTH. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. THANK YOU ROBERTO. ANA ROBERTO UMANA. HELLO. YES, PLEASE SPEAK. OKAY. YEAH. THE ASHLEY CUMMINS CASE SETTLED FOR $10 MILLION. FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, SHE'S AN EX NCPD OFFICER WHO SUED FOR DISCRIMINATION AND HARASSMENT. NOW THAT IT WAS PROVEN THAT SHE WAS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO RELEASE SB 16 RECORDS UNDER THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT. THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW WHO THESE OFFICERS ARE AND THEY NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. LAST YEAR, THE CITY SETTLED THE TONY WILSON CASE FOR $350,000. THIS YEAR, THE CITY SETTLED THE BRIAN NEWMAN CASE FOR A MILLION DOLLARS. NOT TO MENTION BOTH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS DIED. NOW THIS CASE SETTLED FOR $10 MILLION. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU NEED TO WAKE UP. THE NCPD HAS A HORRIBLE TRACK RECORD. IT'S THE WORST POLICE DEPARTMENT IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY. IT'S TIME TO TAKE ACTION. THANK YOU. AND MAYOR, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. WE DO HAVE ONE MORE HERE. UH, SANDRA SCHULER FOLLOWED BY MALIKA POLANCO. POLANCO, SORRY, KIDDING. APRIL FOOL. [00:25:01] . UM, I'M REALLY APPALLED TO SERVE BARRY SCHULTZ AS A CITY ATTORNEY, THAT YOU'RE STILL LISTED ON THE WEBSITE AS AS HAVING BEING PART OF THE FIRM, AND YET YOU ARE HERE. WHAT, WHAT IS THIS? OKAY. SO I'M REALLY APPALLED BY THAT. AND ALSO, WHEN THEY HAD THE MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO, I WAS ABSOLUTELY APPALLED THAT THE POOR PERSON WHO'S THE LIKE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT HAD TO COME IN TO HELP YOU WITH THE CONDUCT. I'M JUST FLOORED THAT WHAT YOU DO AS A CITY ATTORNEY, I SURE HOPE THAT ALL OF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT HE'S DOING IS JUST PLAIN, ETHICALLY WRONG. AND IF I HAVE TWO MORE SECONDS, I KNOW YOU WERE VERY UPSET BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT OF THE INVESTIGATION. AN INVESTIGATION IS NOT BAD, ADIDAS, IT IS NOT BAD. AND YOU TOOK ALL THIS TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AND, UH, MICKO. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. CONFUSION HAS BEEN CAUSED BY THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT AND THE MAYOR'S MISREPRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE NOT IN OUR WILLING TO NOT PROVIDE FUNERAL AND SERVICES TO HER NEPHEW, NOT HER SON. THE CONFUSION HAS LARGELY BEEN CAUSED BY THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT AND THE MAYOR. MAYOR'S REPRESENT MISREPRESENTING THE DECEDENT AS THE SON OF THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT AND NOT HER NEPHEW. WE CANNOT FALSIFY RECORDS THAT MIGHT MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT TO RECOVER PROPERTY TO WHICH SHE IS NOT ENTITLED TO. WE GREW VERY CONCERNED WHEN THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT ASKED US TO GIVE HER $7,000 FROM, FOR THE PAYMENT TO BE MADE BY THE NEPHEW'S EMPLOYER TO PAY FOR THE FUNERAL AND CEMETERY EXPENSE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN. THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT ASKED ME TO GO ALONG WITH THE SCHEME THANK YOU. OF GIVING HER $7,000. THANK YOU. I DON'T APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. YOUR TIME IS, I WANNA SET THE TIME, THE, THE RECORD STRAIGHT. WHATEVER. NOW, NOW, THEN WE GO WITH, UH, THAT IS ALL OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS. OKAY. NO MORE ON ZOOM. OKAY. [6.1 Proclamation: Fair Housing Month] NEXT WE GO INTO PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS AND, UM, THAT GOES UNDER, WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR FAIR HOUSING MONTH. AND IF WE COULD CALL UP, UH, CSA SAN DIEGO THERE. THEY'RE HELLO. THANK YOU MAYOR MORRISON AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR BEING YOUR FAIR HOUSING SERVICE PROVIDER AND FOR NATIONAL CITY FOR THIS PROCLAMATION. FAIR HOUSING IS AN ISSUE THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE UNAWARE OF UNTIL THEY'RE AFFECTED BY IT AND IT BECOMES THEIR OWN PERSONAL PROBLEM. THIS PROCLAMATION DOES A SMALL PART TO BRING AWARENESS TO FAIR HOUSING AND HOW DISCRIMINATION IS STILL RELEVANT IN THE HOUSING SPHERE. CSA WILL CONTINUE TO PREVENT AND ELIMINATE FAIR HOUSING DISCRIMINATION BY COUNSELING BOTH TENANTS AND LANDLORDS, AND BY TENANT COMMITTEE BASED EVENTS HERE IN NASHVILLE CITY TO GET THE WORD OUT. LASTLY, I JUST WANNA GIVE A QUICK SHOUT OUT TO VANESSA ROJAS, WHO HAS BEEN A COORDINATOR, A MANAGER, AND A COUNSELOR AT CSA. AND THE SHOUT OUT IS BECAUSE IT IS TRULY A TEAM EFFORT AT CSA AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO OUR CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP WITH NATIONAL CITY. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. MIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? OKAY. YOU'RE GONNA BE QUIET. OKAY. UM, WITH THAT, WE DO HAVE PROCLAMATION DECLARING THIS, UH, FAIR HOUSING MONTH. WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOUR ORGANIZATION DOES AS, UH, AS OUR HOUSING FAIR HOUSING PROVIDER. AND, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THAT EVERYONE, EVERYONE IS FOLLOWING BY THE RULES AND THAT, UH, UH, THE PEOPLE ARE TREATED FAIRLY AND EQUITABLY. SO, WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO PRESENT YOU WITH A PROCLAMATION. THANK YOU. GET A PICTURE. OKAY. RIGHT. WE DO. DID ALL STAND. [00:30:05] THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT [6.2 Introduction of New City Employees] WE HAVE INTRODUCTION OF NEW EMPLOYEES AND, UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT. UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, I DON'T BELIEVE BELIEVE, UH, MIGUEL'S HERE TODAY. HE PROBABLY SPENT THE DAY, UH, RUNNING AND DOING PUSHUPS AT THE ACADEMY. SO IT'S PROBABLY, UH, RELAXING AT HOME. BUT, UH, HE IS AN AIR FORCE VETERAN AND, UM, VERY POLISHED YOUNG MAN, AND WE'RE EXCITED FOR HIM TO, UH, COMPLETE THE ACADEMY AND, AND COME TO US WHEN THAT'S ALL OVER WITH. OKAY. AND THEN I'M FROM, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS, UH, PLANNING TECHNICIAN. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF PUBLIC. MARTIN REER, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. I'M HERE TO, UH, INTRODUCE ERIN RE, WHO OUR, IS OUR NEW PLANNING TECH. JUST JOINED US LAST MONTH. SHE COMES TO US FROM, UM, MEDFORD, OREGON AREA. JACKSON COUNTY. SHE HAD ABOUT A YEAR'S EXPERIENCE THERE, SO SHE'S BRINGING THAT EXPERIENCE TO US. SHE'S FIT RIDING WITH OUR TEAM AND WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HER AS PART OF THE TEAM. SHE GRADUATES FROM, UH, SHE GRADUATED FROM UC, DAVIS. SO, GO AGGIES, . OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M VERY EXCITED TO BE A PART OF NATIONAL CITY AND, UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. ALRIGHT. WELL CERTAINLY WELCOME ABOARD. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. OKAY. WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE TWO THIS TIME. [7.1 Del Mar Fairgrounds 2050] NEXT WE GO ON INTO OUR PRESENTATIONS. UM, THIS IS THE FIRST ONE IS GONNA BE, UH, DELMAR FAIRGROUNDS, 2015 FAIRGROUND. MAYOR. MAYOR. MAYOR. HERE'S A PICTURE OF YOUR FACE. MAYOR. NICE TO SEE YOU, . UM, I THINK I, I'VE GOT FIVE MINUTES, IS THAT RIGHT? YEP. YOU GOT FIVE MINUTES. AND I'LL, AND I'LL GO QUICK. UM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. UH, THIS IS A FUN, UH, UPDATE. MY NAME IS CHRIS WALL. UH, I AM THE CEO OF SOUTHWEST STRATEGIES. WE'RE A LOCAL PUBLIC OUTREACH AND COMMUNICATIONS FIRM HERE BASED IN SAN DIEGO. UH, AND WE HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH THE DEL MAR FAIRGROUNDS ON THEIR MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. AND I'M HERE TODAY TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF SOLICITING INPUT, UH, FROM ALL CITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. AND IF I COULD, IS THIS GONNA ALLOW ME TO ADVANCE THE SLIDES? THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO, UH, YOU GUYS ARE THE FIRST CITY THAT WE'VE HAD HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO OF THE 18. AND, UH, IT'S VERY APROPOS BECAUSE SOME OF YOU MIGHT KNOW THAT, UH, THE FIRST FAIR IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY WAS ACTUALLY HELD RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. UH, AND THAT WAS IN 1880. AND IT WAS ORGANIZED BY A GENTLEMAN NAMED FRANK KIMBALL, WHO I KNOW YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH. SO, UH, IT WAS KIND OF A COOL THING. THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, THE FLYER FOR THAT. UH, AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PRICES, UH, ARE A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THEY ARE TODAY, . UM, AND SOME OF THE, UH, INTERESTING THINGS WERE, THEY HAD, UH, BEST CITRUS FRUIT, WHO BEST, WHO BAKED THE BEST PIE, AND WHO HAD THE FASTEST HORSE. SOME THINGS HAVEN'T CHANGED. UH, SO, UH, I THOUGHT THIS WAS JUST A FUN PLACE TO START. UM, SOME FOLKS MAY KNOW, UH, OTHERS MAY NOT KNOW THAT, UH, THE DEL MAR FAIRGROUNDS IS ACTUALLY THREE PARCELS OF LAND. UH, THERE IS THE MAIN FACILITY, UH, THAT IS IN THE CITY OF DEL MAR THAT MOST FOLKS ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH, WHERE THE FAIR TAKES PLACE IN HORSE RACING. UH, THE, UH, SECOND PARCEL, WHICH IS NEXT TO THE FREEWAY THERE IS CALLED SURF AND TURF. UH, IT HAS, UH, A, THE NUMBER ONE WOMEN'S VOLLEYBALL PROGRAM CALLED WAVE VOLLEYBALL. UH, IT HAS A DRIVING RANGE, UH, AN RV PARK IN MINI GOLF. UH, AND THEN OUT TO THE EAST, UH, YOU SEE THE BLUE, UH, IN THE RIGHT CORNER, RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. THAT IS WHAT WE CALL HORSE PARK. UH, ALL TOLD, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT OVER 320 ACRES OF LAND. UH, IT'S NOT TAXPAYER FUNDED. YOU PROBABLY KNOW THAT DAA IS OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE FAIRGROUNDS AND INSTITUTION OF THE PART OF STATE OF CALIFORNIA, BUT IT GENERATES ITS OWN REVENUE. UM, AND IT'S, IT'S GOVERNED BY A NINE MEMBER BOARD THAT'S APPOINTED, UH, BY THE GOVERNOR. UH, AND THE THE PURPOSE HERE TODAY IS TO LET FOLKS TO START TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS COULD BE SOMEDAY. UM, AND, UH, IT'S A REALLY AMBITIOUS PROJECT TO REALLY AMBITIOUS EFFORT. UH, NOTHING HAS CURRENTLY, UH, BEEN PLANNED. AND WE'RE IN THE BEGINNING INFANCY STAGES HERE. AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT PROCESS IN A SECOND. UM, SO THREE POPULAR ATTRACTIONS. YOU'RE PROBABLY ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE FAIR HORSE RA HORSE RACING. ONE OF THE NEWER ONES IS A SOUND AT SURFSIDE. IT'S ITS OWN CONCERT VENUE, HOLDS EVENTS ALL THE TIME. VERY, VERY POPULAR. UM, SOME OF THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT CAME AROUND WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A DEVELOPMENT, I SHOULD SAY RIGHT NOW, WE'RE IN A PLANNING STAGE, ARE MAKING SURE THAT IT'S COMMUNITY [00:35:01] FOCUSED. IT'S GOT PURPOSEFUL PLANNING. THAT MEANS SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATE IN, IN A, UH, FREQUENT. THE FAIRGROUNDS OBVIOUSLY ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE. ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP IS A BIG PART OF THIS PROCESS, AS WELL AS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT AND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. I WON'T GO INTO THIS, WE CALL THIS OUR CANDY LAND BOARD. UH, BUT, UH, THIS IS A FUN WAY TO DEMONSTRATE HOW AGGRESSIVE AND HOW AMBITIOUS AND ROBUST THE PUBLIC OUTREACH PROCESS WILL BE. WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GREEN RIGHT NOW, JUST SORT OF AT THE VERY BEGINNING AND START OF THAT. AND THE PROCESS IS FOR US TO GET OUT THERE, MEET WITH ALL THE CITIES, THE REGIONAL BOARDS LIKE SANDAG, UH, THE REGIONAL, UH, REGIONAL EDC, THE REGIONAL CHAMBER. UH, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GONNA DO, UH, UH, SOME REGIONAL PUBLIC WORKSHOPS. WE HOPE TO DO FIVE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS IN THE SUMMER AND FALL, UH, WHERE WE'LL SOLICIT INPUT, UH, FROM ANYONE AROUND, UH, THE COUNTY TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON WHAT THE FAIRGROUNDS SHOULD BE FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE. WE'LL WANNA WORK WITH YOU AT THAT POINT TO PUBLICIZE THAT EVENT. 'CAUSE WE'LL DO ONE DOWN HERE IN SOUTH COUNTY FOR SURE. UH, AND WE'LL WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT YOUR RESIDENTS AND FOLKS HAVE, UH, ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. UM, JUST A QUICK NOTE, UM, AS I'M KIND OF WINDING DOWN, UH, AND I WAS, I WAS BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T REMIND YOU THAT THE FAIR IS UPCOMING, UH, STARTING ON JUNE 11TH. UH, THIS FAIR'S, UH, THEME IS A SUMMER SPECTACULAR. UH, NO, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYONE CAN BRING THEIR DOG, UH, TO THE FAIR , UH, BUT IT DOES MEAN THAT THERE ARE ACTIVITIES FOR YOUR PETS. AND SO THERE ARE AREAS WHERE YOU CAN DO THAT AND BRING IT. SO IT SHOULD BE A LOT OF FUN. UM, AND JUST LASTLY, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, WHAT'S NEW IN 2025 IS THERE'LL BE, UH, SUMMER NIGHTS AT THE SOUND. SO THERE'LL BE THREE DIFFERENT CONCERT VENUE OPPORTUNITIES THROUGHOUT, UH, THE FAIRGROUNDS THIS YEAR. UH, AND THERE'LL ALSO BE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FOOD BANK AND HUMANE SOCIETY, AMONG OTHER THINGS. AND THEN, UH, HERE IS A QR CODE. UH, BUT IF YOU GO TO SD FAIR.COM, YOU CAN LEARN ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE FAIR. UH, AND IF YOU GO TO DELMAR FAIRGROUNDS.COM UH, SLASH 2050, YOU CAN PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND YOU CAN START THAT PROCESS OF GIVING US FEEDBACK ABOUT WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE FOR THOSE OVER 300 ACRES AS WE START THE PROCESS. AND I THINK I'VE DONE IT WITH ONE SECOND TO GO. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. IT'S NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY. TAKE CARE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE ON, ON THE COUNCIL? OKAY. OH, THANK YOU FOR THIS FUN UPDATE. IT DEFINITELY WAS A FUN ONE. AND I LOVED THE CAT WITH THE SNOW C YEAH. REFLECTED ON THE, ON THE, UM, GLASSES. I, I'M JUST TAKING A LOOK AT THE CONCERT SERIES THAT YOU HAVE PLANNED. YES. FOR THE FAIR. AND I, AND I THINK IT'S VERY DIVERSE. IT'S WONDERFUL. VERY LOS DEL NORTE. I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN A STAPLE, UH, FOR SOME TIME NOW AT THE, UH, FAIR. SO VERY EXCITED TO SEE THAT I PLAN TO ATTEND SOME OF THESE. SO THANK YOU FOR THIS UPDATE. YEAH, YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. THANK YOU. WE'LL BE BACK TO YOU AND THANK YOU. AND PLEASE, UH, ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION. WE WANT ALL THE FEEDBACK WE CAN GET. OKAY. THANK YOU. BYE NOW. ALRIGHT, UH, [7.2 Community and Police Relations Commission Annual Report to Council] NEXT WE HAVE A, UH, OUR ANNUAL REPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND POLICE RELATIONS COMMISSION. ALRIGHT. UM, WELL GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MORRISON. NICE TO SEE YOU, VICE MAYOR BUSH COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF. UM, LEMME SAY THANK YOU FOR THE VOTE OF CONFIDENCE. I WAS REAPPOINTED LAST MONTH FOR MY THIRD TERM, SO EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, BE A PART OF THE COMMISSION. SO, UM, I'M FORTUNATE TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO GIVE YOU ALL A REVIEW OF WHAT WE COVERED LAST YEAR IN 2024. UM, THAT'S TOO FAR. THERE WE GO. UM, SO AS YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE, UH, THE CPRC, THE COMMUNITY POLICE RELATIONS COMMISSION HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 2003. UM, IN 2024, WE WERE LED BY MICHAEL LESLIE, WHO WAS OUR CHAIR. UM, I SERVED AS VICE CHAIR. WE HAD FIVE VOTING MEMBERS AND ONE NON-VOTING MEMBER. WE HAD SOME TRANSITION AND SOME OF THE MEMBERS OVER THAT TIME. SO I WON'T GET INTO WHO EXACTLY ALL THE COMMISSIONERS WERE. UM, IN OUR MEETING IN FEBRUARY OF LAST, UH, TWO MONTHS AGO NOW, UM, I WAS ELECTED THE CHAIR. SO I'M VERY HAPPY TO TAKE OVER THE LEADERSHIP OF THE CPRC AND, UM, MR. LESLIE WILL BE OUR VICE CHAIR. UM, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR WORK ON THE CPRC TAKES PLACE THROUGH THE COMPLAINT REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE. UM, PRESENTLY THAT'S COMPOSED OF VICE CHAIR LESLIE, MYSELF, UM, AND COMMISSIONER GOMEZ AS AN ALTERNATE, UM, ON THAT COMMITTEE, UH, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY IN 2024 TO REVIEW 30 CASES, UM, AS A SUBCOMMITTEE. AND THEN AS THE COMMISSION, UM, ALL OF THOSE 30 CASES WERE THEN REVIEWED AND RECEIVED EITHER UNANIMOUS OR MAJORITY VOTE SUPPORTING THE DISPOSITION OF THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION OF NCPD. UM, AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW ALL OF THE CASES FROM 2022 AND 2023 THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US. UM, AS YOU MAY KNOW, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT BACKLOG IN THE CASES, UH, WHEN WE CAME IN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. AND SO AT THIS POINT NOW WE'RE UP THROUGH 2023, UM, WHICH IS VERY EXCITING. OBVIOUSLY, SOME CASES ARE STILL PENDING INVESTIGATIONS AND, UH, LITIGATION, AND SO WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE YET. UM, IN NOVEMBER, UNFORTUNATELY, OUR MEETING WAS CANCELED, BUT OVERALL, WE HAD OUR [00:40:01] MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY, MAY AND AUGUST OF 2024. AND I WON'T GET INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THE ATTENDANCE THERE, BUT, UM, COULD, IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS. UM, A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE YEAR. UM, COMMISSIONER GOMEZ WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THE NCO CONFERENCE. UM, DURING THE SUMMER, COMMISSIONER ROSALES WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THE FOURTH ANNUAL NATIONAL CRUISING POLICE COMMUNITY, OR EXCUSE ME, CRUISING COMMUNITY AND POLICING CONFERENCE. UM, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM NCPD ABOUT DIFFERENT COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT THEY WERE HOSTING. UM, AND YES, AS I SAID, WE DIDN'T HAVE OUR MEETING IN NOVEMBER. SO AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, OUR PLANS FOR THIS YEAR, UM, OUR HOPE IS TO GET THROUGH ALL OF THE 20, 24 CASES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US. UM, SO CLEAR OUT THAT, UH, THAT BACKLOG OF CASES FROM LAST YEAR. UM, WE ALSO WANNA CONTINUE PURSUING MORE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS, UM, TO ATTRACT MORE COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION IN OUR MEETINGS AND WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE FOLKS SHOW UP THIRD THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH, OR THIRD THURSDAY OF FEBRUARY, MAY, AUGUST AND NOVEMBER TO THOSE MEETINGS. UM, CONTINUE TO PROVIDE ADVICE TO NCPD ON OPERATIONS AND POLICY ISSUES. UH, WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH CITY STAFF TO DEVELOP A WAY TO GET ITEMS ONTO OUR AGENDA, OUR MEETING AGENDA ITEMS IN A MORE TIMELY FASHION. UM, BECAUSE WE ONLY MEET QUARTERLY, UH, THERE'S SOME DELAY IN THAT. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT SOME WAYS TO GET THOSE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA MORE QUICKLY. AND THEN LASTLY, CREATING THESE EMAIL ADDRESSES FOR WHOEVER IS SERVING AS CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION, SO THAT WE CAN USE THOSE EMAIL ADDRESSES TO CONDUCT BUSINESS ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU CHAIR COLEMAN. OKAY. I THINK WE HERE FIRST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. UM, THANK YOU MR. OR FOR, UH, YOUR LEADERSHIP IN THIS, UM, COMMITTEE. I, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PUT TIME AND EFFORT IN A COM IN A COMMITTEE COMMITTEE THAT IS VERY, VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, BUSY. MM-HMM . SO, UM, I WOULD, UM, THANK YOU PROFUSELY FOR YOUR VOLUNTARISM AND, UM, REST ASSURED THAT I AM HERE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS. UM, I, UM, I ALWAYS HAVE AN OPEN DOOR POLICY. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU, LINA. THANK YOU, MARY. THANK YOU MR. ORR FOR YOUR TENURE, YOUR SERVICE. YOU SAID THIS IS YOUR THIRD YEAR? UH, MY THIRD TERM, SO THIRD TERM, SO 2019. SO SIX YEARS STARTING. SIX YEARS NOW. WELL, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THIS WORK. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY CASES ARE EXPECTED FOR 2024 OR THE, WHAT THE NUMBER OF BACKLOG IS? CASES? I DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY CASES WE HAVE PENDING RIGHT NOW IN 2024, SO I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER HANDY. THAT'S OKAY. UM, AND THE CASES OR THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE THROUGHOUT ALL OF THESE YEARS, HOW LONG DO YOUR MEETINGS RUN? UM, I WOULD SAY OUR TYPICAL CPRC MEETING, DEPENDING UPON THE NUMBER OF CASES WE HAVE TO REVIEW IN CLOSED SESSION OR ANYWHERE FROM AN HOUR OR TO, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF THREE HOUR MEETINGS. I KNOW NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT YOU ALL, UH, ENDORSE SOMETIMES, BUT I THINK, YEAH, TYPICALLY I'D SAY ONE AND A HALF TO TWO HOURS. OKAY. AND I'M SURE THE PREPARATION, THE READING MATERIAL, THE REVIEW AHEAD OF THE MEETING IS YEAH, WELL PAST THAT. SO THE TIME WE ACTUALLY SPEND IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE, GOING TO THE DEPARTMENT TO REVIEW THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS CASE FILES, TO READ THROUGH ALL THE REPORTS, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT ALL THE EVIDENCE AND THINGS, THAT'S CERTAINLY A MUCH GREATER AMOUNT OF TIME THAT'S SPENT BY CHAIR LESLIE, COMMISSIONER GOMEZ, AND MYSELF MM-HMM . AND ALL OF THIS. YOU DO IT, UH, AS A VOLUNTEER? THAT'S CORRECT. FOR THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, THE PEOPLE OF NATIONAL CITY. YES. YES, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR WORK AND YOUR DEDICATION AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S AMAZING TO, I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO VOLUNTEER AND, AND SERVE IN THE, IN THE MANNER THAT YOU ARE SERVING. SO TO ME, THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES. THE LAST COMMENT I MAKE IS, UH, THIS LAST POINT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS EMAIL ADDRESSES. I KNOW THAT I HEARD THIS MANY MONTHS BACK. WHAT IS THE DELAY HERE? YOU STILL DON'T HAVE CITY EMAILS? AS FAR AS I KNOW, THESE ADDRESSES HAVE NOT BEEN CREATED YET. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DELAY HAS BEEN IF YOU JUST KIND OF FELL OFF THE TO-DO LIST, OR WHY EXACTLY. BUT YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THESE CREATED, I THINK AS A, YOU KNOW, WAY FOR US TO DO THAT WORK ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND ALSO I THINK AS A PROTECTION FOR THE CITY SO THAT WE'RE NOT USING PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESSES TO DO THAT WORK. ABSOLUTELY. UH, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP, AND WE WILL GET A RESOLUTION FOR YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE CHAIR ORTH, AND I AM REALLY EXCITED ABOUT, UH, NUMBER TWO, UH, FROM MY STANDPOINT, I, I FEEL THAT WE AS A CITY COULD DO BETTER IN TRAINING OUR COMMISSIONERS ON ENGAGING, ON EMPOWERING YOU GUYS. SO I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU, BECAUSE I HAVE, UH, TALKING TO, UH, SPOKE TO MEMBERS OF THE, UH, ARTS COMMITTEE, THE CIVIL SERVICE, AND JUST ALL OUR BOARDS, UH, COMMISSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE YOU COULD DO TO SUPPORT THE CITY AND HELP IF, IF WE GIVE YOU PROPER SUPPORT. UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE, FOR EXAMPLE, OF STIPENDS. THAT'S MORE A BUDGET CONVERSATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, BUT I, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS' VOLUNTEER SERVICE AND THE WORK YOU'VE DONE, AND I JUST REALLY WANT TO SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE ON THE, [00:45:01] UM, PURSU PURSUING COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT. UM, AND I APPRECIATED THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, ROSALES CAME TO THE, UH, POLICE AND, UH, COMMUNITY CRUISING, AND THAT'S WITH THE LOW RIDER COMMUNITY. THAT'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR ENGAGEMENT WITH OUR, UH, PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN OUR POLICE AND OUR, AND OUR LOW RIDER COMMUNITY MEMBERS. SO IF, IF YOU GUYS CAN CONTINUE TO BE PROACTIVE, UM, ABOUT THOSE THINGS, I'M OPEN TO TALKING WITH Y'ALL AND BEING CREATIVE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, THE NEXT YEAR LOOKS LIKE. GREAT. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR BUSH. YEAH. ANYTHING YOU ALL CAN DO TO ENCOURAGE CONSTITUENTS TO ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS, REACH OUT TO US, GET INVOLVED. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE A MUCH LARGER PLATFORM THAN WE DO TO LET FOLKS KNOW THAT WE'RE HERE AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM AND MAKE SURE THEY SHOW UP FOR US THROUGH THE CHAIR. ONE LAST QUESTION. YES, CHAIR. WHO STAFF YOUR, UH, COMMITTEE? UM, THAT IS WALTER AMEDEE. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. OKAY. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. [7.3 Traffic Safety Committee Annual Report] NEXT WE WILL HAVE OUR, UH, ANNUAL REPORT IN THE TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. AND HERE SHE COMES. GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, STAFF AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS. MY NAME IS CYNTHIA QUINONES. I AM, UH, ON MY FIRST TERM, I'M HALFWAY THROUGH MY TERM FOR, UH, TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONER, AND DURING THIS YEAR BECAME, UH, THE CHAIRMAN FOR THE COMMITTEE. SO I'M HERE TO PRESENT OUR, UH, UPDATE ANNUAL REPORT. UH, IT'LL BE RELATIVELY QUICK, HOPEFULLY. UH, JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE COMMITTEE TO REFRESH, UH, DETAILS FOR THE COMMUNITY. UH, WE'LL ADDRESS SOME OF THE, UH, BOARD AND STAFF CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THIS PAST YEAR. WILL CERTAINLY GO INTO THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE COMMITTEE. UH, AND, UH, TAKE A LOOK AHEAD, UH, FOR YOU AS WELL. SO OUR SCHEDULED MEETINGS ARE THE SECOND, UH, WEDNESDAY, UH, OF EVERY MONTH. WE MEET AT 1:00 PM SO LONG AS THERE'S BUSINESS FOR US TO CONSIDER. UH, WE MEET IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM, UH, HERE AT CITY HALL. OUR COMMUNICATIONS GO THROUGH, UH, ENGINEERING. SO WE USE THE ENGINEERING, UH, ADDRESS@NATIONALCITY.GOV FOR, UH, EMAIL, AND OF COURSE THEIR PHONE NUMBER AS WELL. SO, AND THERE'S ALSO, OF COURSE, CLICK FIX. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVEN'T DONE IN THE PAST, UH, BUT WE HOPE TO DO IN 2024 IS DO BETTER MONITORING OF CLICK FIX REPORTS. UH, AS WE GO THROUGH OUR COMMITTEE, UH, MEETINGS EVERY MONTH, THE TOP ITEMS THAT WE HAVE BEEN FOCUSING ON HAVE TO DO WITH, UH, TRAFFIC, UH, AND PARKING, UH, SAFETY ISSUES PRIMARILY. AND ALSO, UH, CONTROLS ON OUR ROADWAYS AND SIDEWALKS FOR PEDESTRIANS. UH, THE, ALL OF THOSE ARE DATA-DRIVEN. SO THE, UH, STAFF GENERALLY PRESENTS, UH, IN OUR MEETINGS, UH, THE RESULTS OF SPEED ENFORCEMENT AND CRASH MONITORING REPORTS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE, UH, NEW FOR THIS YEAR IS THE STAFF HAS BEGUN ADOPTION OF A LOCAL, UH, L-S-L-R-S-P, LOCAL ROADWAY SAFETY PLANNING, WHICH COMES, IT'S A FRAMEWORK, UH, THAT COMES OUT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT WE BEGAN ADOPTING THIS YEAR, AND WILL HOPEFULLY GUIDE A LOT OF OUR, UH, DISCUSSIONS GOING FORWARD. OF COURSE, FROM OUR MEETING, JUST LIKE ANY OF THE OTHER CITY MEETINGS, UH, THERE ARE RECORDS BEING KEPT THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW, AND THOSE ARE STORED, UH, IN THE CITY'S, UH, MEETING BOOKS AND ONLINE AS WELL, VIEWABLE ONLINE VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. SO, KELLY AND I, IN TERMS OF, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, WE'VE BEEN, UH, BOTH, WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR THREE YEAR TERMS. UH, WE HAVE TWO NEW BOARD, UH, THREE, EXCUSE ME, THREE NEW BOARD MEMBERS THIS YEAR. UH, AMALTO, RAFAEL, AND YVONNE. YVONNE IS OUR, UH, NEWEST BOARD MEMBER. UH, SHE JUST JOINED, I THINK HER FIRST MEETING WAS OUR LAST MEETING. UH, AND OF COURSE, STAFF, UH, LUCA AND RICARDO, UH, LONGTIME, UH, CITY EMPLOYEES. AND THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF SUPPORTING OUR, OUR EFFORTS AND PROVIDING THE DATA THAT WE NEED FOR DECISIONS. AND OF COURSE, A LOT OF OUR ADMINISTRATION IS DONE BY EVELYN, UH, AND TIERA, UH, CERTAINLY HELPS AS WELL, UH, DURING OUR MEETINGS. UH, CARLOS WAS NEW TO OUR LAST MEETING AND HE HAS, UH, BEEN HELPFUL, UH, PROVIDE, STARTED PROVIDING MORE INFORMATION, UH, RELATED TO LOCAL, UH, THE ROAD SAFETY PLANNING. SO AGAIN, THE HIGHLIGHT FOR [00:50:01] THE YEAR WAS ACTUALLY ADOPTING THE LOCAL ROAD SAFETY PLAN, AND SECOND TO THAT WAS A COMMITTEE BYLAWS. FOR SOME REASON, WE WENT FOR A WHILE WITHOUT CITY BYLAWS. SO, UH, WE ACTUALLY ADOPTED THOSE, UH, TO GUIDE THE FUNCTIONING OF OUR COMMITTEE GOING FORWARD. AND I THINK THAT THAT WILL REALLY BE HELPFUL, UH, AS WE GO THROUGH THE YEAR AHEAD. AND, UH, ONCE WE HAD THE BYLAWS IN PLACE, WE ACTUALLY DID THE ELECTION OF A, OF A CHAIR, WHICH, UH, I ENDED UP GETTING THAT POSITION. AND, UH, KELLY BECAME, UH, VICE CHAIR. AND I THINK BY DEFAULT WE'VE HAD THE LONGEST TRACK RECORDS. SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE RELATIVELY NEW, UH, MORE THAN THE OTHERS, SO A LOT OF OUR ACTIVITIES, UH, FOCUS ON RED AND BLUE CURB ZONE, UH, REQUESTS FROM, UH, FROM THE, UH, CITY MEMBERS, UH, OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. UH, WE DID A COUPLE OF RED ZONES TO HELP WITH, UH, IMPROVED TRAFFIC FLOW. WE'LL SEE A LOT MORE RED ON RED ZONES GIVEN THE, UH, UH, DAYLIGHTING LAW THAT HAS COME UP. AND SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE RED ZONES, BUT WE IN ADVANCE EVEN OF THAT, THERE WERE A COUPLE NEW RED ZONES, UH, IMPLEMENTED TO IMPROVE, UH, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND OTHER TRAFFIC, UH, SAFETY IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY. WE DID A COUPLE OF, UH, BLUE CURBS, OF COURSE, ARE FOR HANDICAPPED, UH, FOLKS, DISABLED PARKING. AND, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, BEING ABLE TO APPROVE THOSE IN AREAS WHERE IT'S NEEDED, IT NOT ONLY HELPS THE PERSON WHO HAS REQUESTED THE BLUE ZONE, BUT ALL THE COM UH, OTHER, UH, HANDICAPPED OR DISABLED PARKING MEMBERS, UH, IN THAT COMMUNITY. SO, UH, THAT WAS, HAS BEEN A HIGHLIGHT, UH, FOR US AS WELL IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO RESPOND TO COMMUNITY NEEDS. THERE WERE ALSO SOME NEW LOADING ZONES, ONE NEW LOADING ZONE THAT WAS APPROVED AND A 30 MINUTE PARKING ZONE. BOTH OF THOSE WERE RELATED TO FACILITATE DAYCARE, UH, ACTIVITIES THAT WERE GOING ON IN THE CITY AND ALLOW MORE SAFE, UH, DROP OFFS AND PICKUPS FOR CHILDREN, UH, FROM THOSE DAYCARE FACILITIES. A COUPLE TIMES DURING THIS LAST YEAR, UH, WE HAD COMMUNITY MEMBERS PRESENT WHO BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION, UH, SOME OF THE TRAFFIC, UH, AND PEDESTRIAN ISSUES THAT SURROUND THE MARKET ON, UH, MARKET ON EIGHTH WITH INCREASED TRAFFIC AT THAT AREA. UH, THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, SOME CLOSE CALLS, UH, THAT, UH, FOR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA, THEY'D LIKE TO SEE A LOT, UH, BETTER, UH, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. UH, SO THEIR INPUT WAS SUPER IMPORTANT AND, UH, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT COMING UP IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT FOR THAT AREA. THE FINAL THING THAT WE ADDRESSED THIS YEAR WAS NO PARKING ON, UH, ROOSEVELT STREET. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF SAFETY ISSUES BEING CREATED BY A LOT OF THE, UH, LIMITED VISIBILITY DUE TO TRUCK PARKING IN THAT AREA. SO NOW THAT THERE IS NO TRUCK PARKING ON ROOSEVELT, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME SAFETY IMPROVEMENT IN THAT AREA. OKAY. PLEASE, YEAH, SORRY. DO A LITTLE BIT OF A WRAP. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE L-S-R-P-A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT, UH, COMING UP. UH, WE'VE GOT SOME DIVISION STREET FOLLOW UP. THAT'S WHERE WE HAD THE DAYCARE ISSUES, UH, DROP OFF. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY HALF CITY OF NATIONAL CITY AND HALF, UH, CITY OF SAN DIEGO. WE NEED TO DO SOME FOLLOW UP WITH CITY OF SAN DIEGO. THERE'S SOME SPEEDING THAT'S GOING ON ON DIVISION STREET, THAT'S, UH, UH, CREATING SOME PROBLEMS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS OURSELVES. AND WE WILL CERTAINLY BE CONTINUING THE IMPROVEMENT DISCUSSIONS ON IMPROVEMENTS FOR EIGHTH AND A. SO THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN A, A FUN YEAR FOR US, AND I THINK THERE WILL BE A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSIONS AND, UH, UPDATES COMING OUT FROM, UH, THE COMMITTEE AHEAD. ANY QUESTIONS? JUST, JUST REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU MS. FULLER, FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS. AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR THINKING OF ALL THE BUSINESSES AND CONSTANTLY TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM. UM, MY WIFE, AS YOU LIKELY KNOW, OWNS A DAYCARE, BUT NOT ON DIVISION STREET. AND, UM, I AM AWARE THERE'S MULTIPLE DAYCARES THERE THAT HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME WHERE PARENTS PICK UP AND DROP OFF, AND IT'S A TRANSIT CORRIDOR. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WORKING WITH THOSE BUSINESSES, WHICH, UH, OVERWHELMINGLY, UM, UH, DAYCARE PROVIDERS TEND TO BE WOMEN OF COLOR AND, AND THEY ARE ENTREPRENEURS AND HARDWORKING INDIVIDUALS THAT DO A VERY DIFFICULT TASK. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WORKING WITH THEM. OUR PLEASURE. FOR SURE. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU CHAIR ES UM, I, I WAS LISTENING TO HIM. HE [00:55:01] SAID FULLER. DID HE GET THAT? AND THEN I LOOKED YOU, I BOTH, YEAH. CINDY FULLER, . THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR FOR YOUR VOLUNTEERISM FOR OUR CITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MA'AM. SO GLAD TO THANK YOU. OKAY. MEMBER MOLINA, THANK YOU CHAIR, CINDY. AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN A LONG TIME VOLUNTEER. YOU'RE A NEWBIE MAYBE AT THIS COMMISSION, BUT, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. SO GLAD TO YES. AND THANK YOU TO YOUR TEAM. THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR ALL OF THE SUPPORT. I'M SO HAPPY THAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED ALL OF THE SUPPORT THAT YOU DO RECEIVE FROM STAFF. I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BETTER FOR IT, RIGHT? EVERYBODY, BOTH COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND PEOPLE THAT WORK AT THE CITY AND THE PEOPLE THAT NEED HELP AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE ARE SERVING, THE NEIGHBORS IN THE CITY. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT. TWO COMMENTS. ONE, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT BIKE LANES. I'M SORRY IF YOU, DID WE HAVE AN ON LANES UPCOMING? YEAH, WE HAVE, THERE'S AN, UH, UPCOMING, I THINK IT IS. I MAY HAVE UH, MISSED THAT SLIDE ACTUALLY, OR BLEW THROUGH IT. SO ON WEDNESDAY, APRIL 9TH, WE HAVE AN UPDATE COMING UP ON THE BAYSHORE, UH, PIKE BIKEWAY PROJECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND ACTUALLY, THERE'S ONE OTHER EVENT RIGHT AFTER THAT MAY 14TH, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 24TH STREET TRANSIT CENTER CONNECTIONS. GOT IT. UH, PROJECT, I'M SORRY. YEAH, I DID RECEIVE A POSTCARD. GOOD. UM, UH, MY MOM ALSO, SHE, HER, HER UNIT IS ON MY PROPERTY, BUT SHE ALSO RECEIVED A POSTCARD FROM THE NATIONAL CITY TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION. CORRECT. AND I THOUGHT, OH, THIS IS INTERESTING. UM, SO I'M GLAD THAT THAT'S HAPPENING. I'M GLAD YOU'RE GIVING THE PUBLIC SO MUCH TIME, UH, AHEAD, YOU KNOW, TO, TO CONSIDER THIS OR ATTENDING THIS. UH, MY LAST QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH THE BLUE CURBS. I KNOW FURTHER ON IN OUR CONSENT CALENDAR, WE DO HAVE YOUR REPORT, YOUR TEAM'S REPORTS ON BLUE CURBS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, AND, AND THE THOUGHT OCCURRED TO ME IS, IS HAS THERE BEEN AN ASSESSMENT OF BLUE CURBS? FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOME WERE, UM, UH, APPROVED, YOU KNOW, DECADES AGO AND THEY'RE STILL THERE, LIKE, IS THERE A TIME LIMIT TO THE BLUE CURB THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? KNOW THAT THEY'RE REVIEWED PERIODICALLY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE LAST TIME THAT THEY WERE REVIEWED. THERE'S A LETTER MAYBE THAT'S A PREVIEW. THERE'S A LETTER THAT GOES OUT TO EACH BLUE CURB APPLICANT ONCE A YEAR. IT'S ANNUALLY. OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. JUST TO VERIFY THAT THEY'RE STILL PERSONS STILL IN USE. GOT IT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK CHAIR. THANK YOU. MY PLEASURE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. THAT FINISHES OFF OUR, UH, PRESENTATIONS. WE [8. REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS] NOW GO INTO REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS. I'LL START DOWN HERE ON MY LEFT. THANK YOU, MR. MERRIT. UH, NOTHING TO REPORT. THERE IS A, UM, SANDAG, UM, SHORELINE PRESERVATION GROUP MEETING THIS THURSDAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SWEETWATER AUTHORITY, NOTHING TO REPORT FROM THE MEETING. UM, SUN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY. UM, NOTHING TO REPORT. UM, ASIDE FROM THE BUDGET STUDY, MR. CHAIRMAN, AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, UM, SITTING TO, UH, REVISIT, UM, SAN DIEGO COMMUNITY POWER. UM, NOTHING TO REPORT, UM, FROM, UH, FROM THE MEETING MASTER CHAIR, UM, I WAS, UH, REQUESTED TO SIT ON SANDAG, UH, BOARD MEETING LAST FRIDAY. IT, IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS THE LAST, UH, MEETING OF THE BOARD AT THAT BUILDING. AND THEY ARE NOW GOING TO MOVE TO THE NEW BUILDING, UM, THAT THEY SAID IS VERY NICE. SO, UM, OUR, OUR PRIMARY, OUR PRIMARY BOARD, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA WOULD, WOULD ENJOY THAT. UM, THERE WERE, UM, LEGISLATIVE, UM, LEGISLATIVE, UM, INFORMATION THAT WAS, UM, UM, MENTIONED TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS LAST FRIDAY. AND, UM, THE CEO MARIO ORSO WANTED TO GIVE A UPDATE ON TWO PIECES OF LEGISLATION RECENTLY INTRODUCED IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE THAT IF ENACTED WOULD MODIFY THE COMPOSITION OF THE SANDAG BOARD OF DIRECTORS. THIS IS AB 24, AUTHORED BY DE MAYO AND AB AND SB 2 4 0 AUTHOR BY JONES. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO, UH, LEGISL LE LEGISLATIVE MEASURES, UM, FOR METRO WASTE WATER. UM, MR. CHAIR, UH, NOTHING TO REPORT. THANK YOU. OKAY, MEMBER VALINA. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. I DID ATTEND THE SANDAG PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE ON, UH, MARCH 21. WE TALKED ABOUT AN UPDATE TO AR, UH, WHICH IS THE AUTOMATED REGIONAL JUSTICE INFORMATION SYSTEM. AND, UM, THE FACT THAT IT HAS BEEN PRETTY TECHNICAL TO MOVE THE WHOLE OPERATION FROM THE CURRENT BUILDING DOWNTOWN TO, UH, THE NEW BUILDING, IT'S CALLED THE WEST BUILDING. UH, IT'S, UM, 10 11 UNION STREET DOWNTOWN. UH, SO WE DID GET A, A GOOD UPDATE ON OUR JUST BY DIRECTOR TONY RAY. UM, AND, UH, I WANNA THANK COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI FOR FILLING IN FOR ME AT THE LAST BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING. UM, AND YEAH, UH, [01:00:01] I GUESS THE NEXT MEETING I GET TO ATTEND TO WILL BE THE NEW BUILDING. SO I'LL REPORT BACK. THANK YOU, MAYOR BUSH. NOTHING TO REPORT. OKAY. UM, WE'LL HAVE, UH, RISA, THE REGIONAL ALL WASTE ASSOCIATION. WE'LL BE MEETING THIS THURSDAY AND WE'LL BE REPORTING BACK ON THAT ON THE NEXT MEETING. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, NOTHING, NOTHING REPORTED ON SWEETWATER AUTHORITY. ALRIGHT, WE GO [9. CONSENT CALENDAR] INTO CONSENT CALENDAR AS ITEMS NINE ONE THROUGH NINE NINE. WE DO HAVE SPEAKER SLIPS ON 9 4, 5 7, 8, AND NINE FOR THE CHAIR. YES, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL 9.3 TO 9.9 PLEASE. THANK YOU. 9.9 IS ALREADY BEING PULLED. DID YOU SAY 9.3? 9.4. 9.5. 9.6. 9.7. 9.8 AND 9.9 MR. MAY. OKAY. SOME OF THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN PULLED. OKAY. SO, OKAY. NOT MUCH APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. AND, UH, TITLE ONLY ON ORDINANCES. OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND PLEASE, I SAY PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. UH, NEXT [9.3 Authorizing the Filing of Seven Applications for Smart Growth Incentive Program (SGIP) Grant Funds from the San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) and Accepting the Terms of the Grant Agreement.] WE HAVE NINE, UH, 0.3 THAT'S AUTHORIZED IN THE FILING OF SEVEN APPLICATIONS FOR SMART GROWTH INITIATIVE PROGRAMS, GRANT FUNDS FROM THE SAN DIEGO ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENTS, AND ACCEPTING THE TERMS OF THE GRANT AGREEMENT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO COMMAND THIS DEPARTMENT FOR TRYING TO BE AT THE TABLE TO BE ABLE TO GET GRANTS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FOR THESE SEVEN PROJECTS. AND HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY SO, UM, WITH THE HELP OF OUR, UM, UH, BOARD MEMBER AT THAT, AT THAT SEAT. UM, ONE OR, OR ALL OF IT WILL BE, UM, GRANTED, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE HARD WORK. I KNOW IT IS VERY DIFFICULT, UH, SITTING IN THAT REGIONAL PLANNING, UM, POLICY ADVISORY. I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THESE SEVEN, UM, APPLICATIONS WILL BE AT THE TABLE. BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT AT THE TABLE, GUESS WHERE WE ARE AT? WE'RE AT THE, WE'RE ON THE MENU. THANK YOU. IT, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI FOR PULLING THE ITEM. I REALLY, UH, WANNA ECHO THE SENTIMENTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STAFF, UM, STEVE AND YOUR STAFF FOR APPLYING FOR SO MANY, SO MANY REALLY GOOD GRANTS. AND, UM, UH, IF, UH, THE PUBLIC, UM, UH, DOES THE PLEASURE OF LOOKING AT THEM, UH, THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY TO SUPPORT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE ASSESSMENT, UH, DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN, UPDATE OUR NATIONAL CITY CLIMATE ACTION PLAN IMPLEMENTATION, SMART GROWTH REVITALIZATION, 16TH AND 18TH STREET COMMUNITY CORRIDORS TO MAKE THEM ACTUALLY WALKABLE AND, UM, INCREASE THE WALKABILITY, UM, BICYCLE CONNECTIONS, MOBILITY, MINI HUBS, WHICH ARE ESSENTIALLY, UM, UH, BUS ENHANCEMENTS THROUGH HIGHLAND AVENUE. SO, A LOT OF THE THINGS, UH, THAT WE HEAR ABOUT, AT LEAST, AT LEAST I DO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED THAT FOLKS DRIVE TOO FAST AND THEY'RE CONCERNED TO BE RUN OVER DOWN THE STREET. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR BUS STOPS DO NOT HAVE THE AMENITIES NECESSARY, INCLUDING, UM, BENCHES, INCLUDING CAN CANOPIES. SO THEY CAN HAVE SHADE. SO THESE ARE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT I HOPE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVE AND REALLY WANNA COMMEND AGAIN, THE EFFORT OF BEING SO PROACTIVE, UH, AND APPLYING FOR THESE GRANTS. THANK YOU. OKAY. YOU NOTICE NO DISCUSSION. WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? SO MOVE FOR APPROVAL, MR. MAYOR. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE PLEASE PUSH ON YOUR MOTIONS IN SECONDS, TANYA. IT WON'T ALLOW US. I'LL START IT OVER. ALL RIGHT, NOW GO AHEAD AND TRY IT. OKAY. THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THERE THEY GO. OKAY, SO NO DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. UH, [9.4 First Amendment of On Duty Health Agreement] NINE FOUR IS THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO ON-DUTY HEALTH AGREEMENT. AND THAT'S YOUR NAME, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. BUT WE HAVE PUBLIC ALSO. UM, DO YOU WANNA CALL FOR THAT ONE FIRST NAME? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL GO WITH HIM. UH, THOMAS REICH. MAYOR, HOW MANY MINUTES WERE SPEAKERS? UM, I JUST NOTICED THE AGREEMENT. I JUST NOTICED THE AGREEMENT IN THE PDF THAT IT WAS, THAT IT'S FOR $44,000 FOR THE MEDICAL. SO THAT COMES TO ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS OF A FIREMAN, REMEMBER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. BUT THE THING I NOTICED THAT IT'S $715 FOR PRE-CANCER SCREENING AND SOMETHING LIKE $125 FOR AN EKG, BUT I THINK THAT'S, I'M JUST POINTING THAT OUT. THANK YOU. [01:05:01] THANK YOU. UM, REMEMBER YOUR MONEY. THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. UM, I PULLED 9.9 0.4 AS WE ARE AT THE, UH, UH, LABOR AGREEMENT FOR ALL OUR, UM, LABOR UNIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, TABLE THIS AND PULL THIS, UH, ITEM, MR. MAYOR, AS THIS WOULD BE, UM, AS WE DELIBERATE AND DISCUSS, UM, VALUES AND, UM, ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL, UM, BENEFITS FOR ALL OUR EMPLOYEES. UM, AND WE DON'T WANNA PIECEMEAL YOU, I MEAN, UH, THIS, THIS, UH, VALUES AND THIS, UM, AND THIS, UH, PERKS. UM, WE, WE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL OF IT IN THE MOU BECAUSE YOU, I MEAN, WHEN WE DO THIS, WE TEND TO FORGET. UM, SO WE WOULD, LIKE, I WOULD RECOMMEND FOR THIS TO BE PULLED UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT OUR, UM, NEGOTIATIONS WITH ALL OUR, OUR, UH, LABOR AGREEMENT WILL BE, UH, UM, IN ORDER. THANK YOU. AND I SO MOVE. OKAY. I'M NOT HEARING A SECOND. UM, CAN, CAN YOU REITERATE THE MOTION, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, I MOVE TO TABLE THIS, UH, 9.4, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AS WE DELIBERATE OUR, UH, LABOR AGREEMENTS. I HAVE A QUESTION, THOUGH. UM, WHENEVER, YEP. SO, I, I, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, YAMANI THE, 'CAUSE I'M, I'M TRYING TO F FIND OUT WHERE THE MENTION OF THE MOU I'M SO UNCLEAR ABOUT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE MOU AND THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. I SEE THIS AS ONE OF THE VALUES OF, UH, UH, VALUES THE, THE, THIS ORGANIZATION OR THIS DEPARTMENT WILL RECEIVE. AND I WOULD LIKE ALL VALUES AND ALL PERKS TO BE INCLUDED IN THEIR MOU. SO, IS, JUST TO BE CLEAR, IS THIS, UM, SO IS THE, IS THIS CONTRACT WITH DUTY HEALTH, UM, WHAT IS IT ON, ON DUTY HEALTH? THANK YOU. IS IS THAT THERE, IS THERE REFERENCE TO THIS IN THE, IS THIS PART OF THE MOU OR THIS I DO NOT KNOW. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO PULL IT. 'CAUSE I DO NOT KNOW I WAS GONNA LOOK TO THE CHIEF. WELL, RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT HAVE A SECOND, BUT I'M GONNA ASK THE CHIEF, WHAT IS THE TIMELINESS OF THIS? AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE REASON IT'S COMING UP FOR IT AT THIS POINT, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING IT A PART OF THE NEW CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CITY STAFF, UH, SURGEON OR FIRE CHIEF NATIONAL CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT. UH, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, IF THIS IS IN THE MOU, IT IS NOT, UM, IT IS NOT A CONDITION OF THE MEMORANDUM, MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL, UH, THIS IS, UH, UH, IN MY OPINION IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE TO, TO MY EMPLOYEES AS A RESULT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE EXPOSURES THAT WE RECEIVE DURING OUR, OUR COURSE OF DUTIES. ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE SEVERAL STANDARDS THAT MUST BE MET BY THE DEPARTMENT OF FEDERAL, UH, FEDERAL STANDARDS IN REGARDS TO THE ABILITY FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO RESPOND AS A RESULT OF RESPONDING NOT ONLY TO OUR FIRES HERE AROUND TOWN, BUT ALSO OUR, OUR INVOLVEMENT IN OUR STATEWIDE FIREFIGHTING EFFORTS. SO ANNUALLY, WE HAVE TO, UH, PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION TO THE STATE THAT OUR FIREFIGHTERS MEET A FITNESS STANDARD. AND DURING THIS, THIS, UH, DURING THE, THE WORK I'VE DONE BY ON-DUTY HEALTH TO OUR FIREFIGHTERS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, THAT IS ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE TEST AMONGST MANY OTHERS. UH, I THINK THE USE OF SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS OR SCBAS THAT WE WEAR, UH, TO FIRES. THERE'S ALSO REQUIREMENTS FROM THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT WE MUST MEET CERTAIN GUIDELINES TO ENSURE THAT THOSE, THAT OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE WELL PROTECTED AND NOT, UM, RECEIVING ANY EXPOSURE. AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE TESTED FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS. SO I, I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS A, AS A FIRE DEPARTMENT TO, TO TEST OUR EMPLOYEES AND, UM, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, UH, CERTAINLY TO CATCH ANYTHING IN THE EARLY STAGES. I THINK, UH, WE STARTED THIS PROGRAM ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO. AT THE TIME, THE COST WAS ABOUT 41,000. UH, BUT THE LEADING COST OF FIREFIGHTER DEATHS BACK THEN WAS CARDIAC EVENTS. NOW IT IS CANCER, IT IS A PRESUMPTIVE CLAUSE IN, UH, INTO FIREFIGHTERS EMPLOYMENT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE TAKE, UH, TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE ORGANIZATION, UH, GO DOWN THE PATH OF, UH, OF, OF ILLNESS WITH CANCER. AND THIS IS THE A WAY BY WHICH TO, UH, PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING AND CATCHING IT EARLY ON. UH, SO IF THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION, UH, [01:10:01] IN REGARDS TO THE MOU, IT IS NOT THERE. AND, UH, MY PERSONAL BELIEF, I, I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE DONE OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS IS TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE TO, TO, TO THE, ON TO THE CREWS. UH, THE QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE CANCER SCREENING THAT I HEARD EARLIER, UH, THE, THE COST IS ABOUT 800 AND CHANGE. WE ONLY TEST ABOUT NINE TO 10 FIREFIGHTERS PER YEAR. SO WE DO NOT SPEND THE ENTIRE AMOUNT. WE, UM, LOOK AT A, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT 25% OF THE DEPARTMENT. AND THE WAY WE, THIS IS OUR SECOND YEAR DOING IT. UH, IF WE MOVE FORWARD, THIS'LL BE OUR THIRD YEAR WITH ON-DUTY HEALTH. UH, WE TEST, WE, WE BEGIN THE TESTING BASED ON AGE CRITERIA. AND WE, THE INTENT IS TO TEST THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT IN, IN A FOUR YEAR CYCLE. THANK YOU, CHIEF. THANK YOU. UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR. SO IT'S A PERK THROUGH YOUR CONTRACT. SO IF YOU ARE GIVEN, GIVEN THIS PERK, THE OTHERS SHOULD BE GIVEN TO. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO PUT A STUDY ON THIS, UM, ON THIS REQUEST, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST LIKE WE SAID, WE WANTED OUR, UM, OUR DEPARTMENTS TO RECEIVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE ALL MAN MANDATED BY THE LAW. WE HAVE TO FOLLOW CERTAIN REGULATIONS. SO IF WE'RE GIVING THIS TO ONE SET OF EMPLOYEES, WHAT WILL THE OTHERS DO? AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO STUDY THIS MORE IN ORDER FOR US TO BE FAIR, BE RIGHT, AND BE FAIR. SO I WANTED THIS TO BE PULLED SO THEN WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING ON WHAT PERKS WILL BE INCLUDED IN THOSE MOUS. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, OKAY. RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE DO NOT HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR CURRENTLY. OKAY. THANK YOU, MS. MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, YAMANI, UM, FOR ALWAYS WANTING TO LOOK OUT FOR NATIONAL CITY TAXPAYERS. UM, AND AT THIS MOMENT WE'RE IN CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WITH ALL OF OUR BARGAINING UNITS AND GOING THROUGH A PROCESS OF OUR BUDGET. UH, SO IT IS IMPORTANT WE LOOK AT THIS. UM, UH, I WOULD BE OPEN TO THE IDEA OF, UH, YOU HAVING ADDITIONAL MEETINGS WITH FIREFIGHTERS TO MAYBE WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THEM. UH, BUT I DO REALIZE THAT IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT PROFESSION AND ONE THAT HAS VERY HIGH CANCER RATES. AND SO SCREENING FOR OUR, UH, FIREFIGHTERS, I DO FIND, UH, IT TO BE IMPERATIVE. AND SO, UM, AND POLICE DOESN'T NEED IT. AND MA DOESN'T NEED IT. I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE EVERYBODY DOES 1% A TIME. I, I JUST, I JUST THINK THAT THIS PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT DEALS WITH THIS ISSUE MUCH AT A MUCH HIGHER RATE THAN ANYBODY ELSE. WHICH IS WHY I THINK, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT I AM ALSO OPEN TO THE IDEA OF TABLING IT SO WE CAN HAVE, UM, KNOW ADDITIONAL THAT'S I REQUEST. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. ADDITIONAL MEETINGS WITH OUR, UH, CHIEF AND OUR, UH, FIREFIGHTER DEPARTMENT. SO I'M OPEN, I'M, I'M, YEAH, IF WE HAVE A TIME, CERTAIN DATE FOR IT TO COME BACK, MAYBE AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, SHIFT MANAGER, UM, WE COULD RETURN IN THAT QUICK, THAT QUICKLY, DEPENDING ON, ON CHIEF, DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU CAN, UH, SIT DOWN WITH THE COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND PROVIDE THAT DISCUSSION? YOU KNOW, IF, IF I MAY ADD AGAIN, UH, EXCUSE ME. SO THIS IS ALREADY AN EXISTING CONTRACT. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS JUST AMEND THE LANGUAGE AND, AND REALLY PROVIDE CLARITY ON, ON THE COST. UM, WE, WE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A CONTRACT DOING THIS WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS FOR THE DEPARTMENT. UM, THE ISSUE IS THE COST HAD GONE UP. UM, SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE THAT AS WELL AS TO GIVE THE, HAVE THE OPTION IN CASE WE WERE TO HAVE AN EVENT WHERE WE NEEDED TO TEST THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT, WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE. SO WE WOULD, WE, UH, IDENTIFIED A, A SUM OF NOT TO, NOT TO EXCEED THIS AMOUNT, BUT CURRENTLY THIS IS A STANDING CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH ON-DUTY HEALTH. AND REALLY THE ISSUE YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS TO AMEND THOSE CHANGES, NOT TO IMPLEMENT A NEW CONTRACT RIGHT. OR A NEW SERVICE THROUGH THE CHAIR. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS IT TIME SENSITIVE MR. CITY MANAGER? WE COULD, WE, I'M SURE WE CAN CONTINUE THE CONTRACT. WE ALREADY HAVE THEM UNDER CONTRACT. PERHAPS WE CAN RETURN IN WITHIN 30 DAYS OR TWO MEETINGS, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS. CERTAINLY, YEAH. WE, WE HAVE TIME TO, TO REVISIT MM-HMM . OKAY. THANK YOU. WELCOME. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT COUNCIL MEMBER? I'M OKAY WITH THAT. IT DOES PROVIDE A TIME CERTAINTY FOR RETURN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE'LL RETURN ON THE, UM, FIRST MEETING IN, UM, MAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO, YEAH, SO JUST, JUST TO DO THAT. THIS IS NOT A NEW SERVICE. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO REALIZE. THIS IS NOT A NEW SERVICE, JUST THE COST OF WENT UP. THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. AND SO, ARE YOU GIVEN A MAXIMUM COST [01:15:01] HERE IF WE HAD TO EVALUATE EVERY, UH, EVERYONE WITHIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. AS LONG AS WE, WE REALIZE THAT THAT'S NOT, THIS IS NOTHING NEW. OKAY. CORRECT. THANK YOU. SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION TO BRING IT BACK IN THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY? YES. OKAY. UH, THERE WE GO. THEY'RE UP THERE. MOTION SECOND PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED BY FOUR TO ONE VOTE. OKAY. THE, UH, NEXT [Items 9.5 & 9.6] WE HAVE, UH, INSTALLATION OF BLUE CURB LOCA, UH, FOR, FOR DISABLED PERSONS PARKING SPACE AND SIGNAGE IN FRONT OF A RESIDENCE LOCATED AT 1721 WILSON AVENUE. AND, UH, WE HAVE, UM, EDWARDO, I CAN'T HEAR YOU. 9.8. 9.8 9.8 INSTEAD. OKAY. YOU HAD THE WRONG ONE, MARK. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, WERE YOU WANTING TO SPEAK TO THAT ONE? UH, 9.6 AND 9.9 0.5. 9.6. THE SAME, THE SAME QUESTION MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR TO THE DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, I JUST WANTED TO SEE COST RECOVERY OF THIS, UH, OF THESE TWO ITEMS, PLEASE. UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER STEVE MANGANELLI, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS. YEAH, THE MUNICIPAL CODE, OUR MUNICIPAL CODE IN THIS SECTION DOES ALLOW US TO, UM, REQUEST COST RECOVERY FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE BLUE CURB AND THE SIGN. THANK YOU. UM, WE APPROVE MR. CHAIRMAN. 9.5. 9.6. OKAY. SECOND. OH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND QUESTION. I HAVE, WHO DO YOU GET THE COST RECOVERY FROM? THE WAY THAT THIS SECTION, THE CODE'S WRITTEN, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FROM THE APPLICANT, BUT IF SOMEBODY ELSE WITH A HANDICAP PLACARD, THEY CAN GO AND PARK IN THAT SPOT, CAN THEY? NOT AT ANY TIME. I, I AGREE, MAYOR. AND, AND THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IN OUR CODE, IT'S, IT'S NOT AS CLEAR AS IT NEEDS TO BE. 'CAUSE ON ONE HAND, WE'RE TELLING THE APPLICANT THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL RESERVE PARKING SPACE. ON THE OTHER HAND, IT SAYS IF IT'S A PUBLIC REQUEST, UM, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST . SO I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS, YOU KNOW, GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT, RIGHT. THE, THIS SECTION, THE MUNICIPAL CODE, AND I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD DEFINITELY PROVIDE SOME MORE CLARITY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, SO THAT IS NINE FIVE AND NINE SIX. HAVE ANYONE SPEAKING ON NINE SIX. OKAY. SO THAT WAS A MOTION IN A SECOND? YES. OKAY. AND THAT WAS FOR APPROVAL ON THOSE TWO ITEMS. UH, THERE YOU GO. GOT IT IN THERE. AND, UH, SO NO DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. [9.7 Warrant Register #31 for the Period of 1/24/25 through 1/30/25 in the Amount of $2,187,613.06] NINE SEVEN IS WARRANT REGISTRY. THOMAS REICH. THANK YOU. UH, I'M JUST READING THE, THE NOTATIONS IN REGISTER. 31, THESE ARE THE EXPENSES THAT I NOTE. THEY'RE, UH, LARGE EXPENSES. THE 88,000 FOR THE MILE OF CARS, ASSOCIATION FOR LIGHTING AND MAIN DISTRICT SPECIAL ASSOCIATIONS. NEXT ONE'S THE KAISER MAR MAR MARSTON ASSOCIATES, 62,000 FOR ONCALL CONSULTING SERVICES AND G 10 GEO SYNTECH $6,225 FOR HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT CLEANUP. AND THE CITY OF IMPERIAL BEACH, 21,000. NOW, WHY ARE WE GIVING 21,000 TO IMPERIAL BEACH? WHY IS NATIONAL CITY GIVING 21,000 TO IMPERIAL BEACH? AND THE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. YEP. NO, I, NO. DO I, WE WILL GIVE SOME ANSWERS FOR YOU. I HAVE MORE TO GO, BUT I AS AM AM I UNDER ON ONE MINUTE? YES, I'M UNDER ONE MINUTE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, YEAH. AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW ON THE ONE THAT I CAN SPEAK OF ON THAT ONE, UH, THE MILE OF CARS ASSOCIATION, WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM MONEY. WE COLLECT MONEY FROM THEIR, THEIR ASSESSMENTS AND THEN IT GETS PAID BACK. IT, IT GOES BACK TO THEM. YOU WERE PAID. YEAH, WELL, WE'RE, YEAH. BUT, BUT YEAH, WE COLLECT THE MONEY FOR THEM [01:20:01] FROM, FROM THEIR, THEIR DISTRICT AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO THEM. AND SO, YEAH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT GIVING ANY MONEY TO THE MILO CARS. THEY GIVE US MONEY. THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. UH, ALRIGHT. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? NINE, SEVEN. I HAVE A QUESTION. OH, WAIT A MINUTE. YES, YES, THAT'S RIGHT. I'M SORRY. THROUGH THE CHAIR. I HAVE A QUESTION. 9.7, UH, THROUGH, UH, THE CHAIR FOR THE CITY MANAGER. UM, I WOULD LIKE FOR CITY MANAGER TO, UH, PROVIDE A REPORT ON ITEM, UH, WINGER GRABBING BREW BARKER, LLP. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND CITY MANAGER, YOU HAVE A, UH, AN ALLOTTED AMOUNT OF, UH, DISCRETIONARY, UM, FINANCIAL POSITION ON WHAT AND WHERE YOU CAN, UM, SPEND THIS, UM, THIS, UH, DISCRETIONARY FUNDS. BUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO PROVIDE ME A REPORT ON HOW THIS, UM, TRANSPIRED. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND, UM, WITH THAT, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTION. OKAY. I'M SORRY. JUST A CLARIFICATION. WHICH ONE WAS IT? UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, WHICH COMPANY? IT'S, UH, PAGE 1 58 ON REGISTER NUMBER 31, UH, UNDER CMOS OFFICE. WINGER GRABBING WINGERT GRABBING BREW BACKER, LLP, LEGAL SERVICE OF 9,409 AND 50 CENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. MAYOR? YES. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION, UH, REGARDING THAT. UM, WILL THAT BE COMING BACK AS A ITEM? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING? COUNCIL MEMBER? I WOULD LIKE A REPORT, YES. AND, UH, WHEN YOU MAKE A REPORT, IT HAS TO BE ON THE DS HAS TO BE ON WHAT? IT HAS TO BE REPORTED HERE. 'CAUSE I'M ASKING FOR PUBLIC INPUT ON IT. OH, OKAY. SO SHE'S REQUESTING FOR THE REPORT TO COME BACK. OKAY. AT A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY. TO A COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY. ON THE DAIS. AND, UM, I WOULD ACTUALLY SUPPORT THAT. AND, UM, FOR SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE UNAWARE, UM, THIS WAS A PAYMENT, UM, UH, FOR LEGAL SERVICES, UH, FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY. UH, BECAUSE A COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, FILED A STATE BAR COMPLAINT, UM, OR FILED A COMPLAINT AT THE STATE BAR. UM, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY UNDER THEIR CONTRACTS HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. AND SO, UM, THAT IS, UH, IN A, A VERY SHORT, SHORT BRIEF EXPLANATION. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION, UM, AND, AND FOR A REPORT TO BE DISCUSSED. ALRIGHT. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION? AND SECOND ON THE, SO MOVE MR. CHAIR. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALRIGHT, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE. UNANIMOUSLY. THAT WAS NINE SEVEN. NOW [9.8 Warrant Register #32 for the Period of 1/31/25 through 2/06/25 in the Amount of $4,520,556.17] WE GO TO NINE EIGHT. AND WE DO HAVE A COUPLE SPEAKERS ON THIS ONE. UH, THOMAS REICH, THESE ARE JUST THE ONES THAT I NOTICED. THERE WAS A 200 PA, 2 MILLION PAYMENT TO THE BANK, TO THE F THE FINANCE NEIGHBORHOOD BANK. AND, AND TO THE FIRE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BOUGHT THE, BOUGHT A, BOUGHT A FORD TRUCK FOR 66,000 AND NVS CONTRACT SERVICES FOR 16TH STREET, 18TH STREET, AND 20TH STREET FOR 10,000 8 99. MM-HMM . AND THANK YOU. OKAY. I, I WILL CLARIFY ON THE ONE THING. WE DIDN'T MAKE A PAYMENT TO NA, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD NATIONAL BANK. WE DEPOSITED, UH, $2 MILLION INTO AN ACCOUNT THERE. SO IT, YEAH. SO IT JUST DIVERSIFIES WHERE OUR MONEY IS, IS, IS, UH, SP UM, SPREAD OUT AT MR. NA. I LIKE THE, THE QUESTIONS YOU'RE ASKING. UH, I LIKE DEEP THIS DIGGING INTO IT. I, I, BUT I, UH, I MUST BE OFF WHEN I MEANT TO MAKE, MAKE THIS FOR 9.7. IN FACT, I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT. BUT MY QUESTIONS ALONG THE LINES PROBABLY INCLUDE ANY REPORT IS THE, UM, THE PROCESS, WHAT WAS THE PROCUREMENT POLICY AND WHAT WAS ACT, WHAT DID ACTUALLY HAPPEN AND HOW DID IT HAPPEN? AND WHERE WAS THE SEGREGATION OF DUTIES CONTROLS IN THIS, UH, IN SEPARATION OF DUTIES. YOU KNOW, HOW DID THE, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? AND, UM, AND, AND THE TIMELINESS ALSO OF WHEN THAT HAPPENED. SO, UM, GOOD. KEEP IT UP. I LIKE THOSE QUESTIONS. I, ALRIGHT. UH, [01:25:02] AND, UH, REMEMBER YAMANI, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON NINE EIGHT? IT'S VERY MINOR, MR. CHAIRMAN, BUT, UM, IT'S UNDER MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THAT CANVA SUBSCRIPTION, UH, I PAY FOR THAT. SO I HAVE ASKED OUR CITY MANAGER TO DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT. UM, AFTER THAT, I, I MOVED TO APPROVE 9.8. OKAY, SECOND. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UM, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, WE GO TO 9.9 [9.9 Warrant Register #33 for the Period of 2/07/25 through 2/13/25 in the Amount of $3,701,370.11] AND MR. THOMAS RE I JUST HAVE TWO THINGS. UH, ONE WAS TO LOPEZ RUBINS FOR REUBEN LOPEZ FOR TACTICAL RIFLE TRAINING FOR $441 AND 18 CENTS. IS THAT FOR FOUR HOURS OR IS THAT FOR EIGHT HOURS OR? OKAY. AND THE NEXT ONE IS THE OMINOUS SPECIFIC FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FURNITURE FOR $24,427. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, ANI, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON THIS ITEM? 9.9, MR. MAYOR? YES. 9.9. MR. MAYOR, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR, THROUGH THE, UH, TO THE CITY MANAGER, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET A REPORT ON, UH, HOW COME EXOS HAS BEEN PAID ALMOST $300,000 FROM OUR WARRANT ON WARRANT 33? I WOULD LIKE AN EXPLANATION BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE COMING TELLING US THAT THE POOL IS CLOSED. SO WHAT ARE WE PAYING FOR? THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION. WITH THAT SAID, MR. MAYOR, MOVE TO APPROVE. UM, ITEM 9.9, SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, NEXT WE GO INTO, KEEP UP WITH THESE SLIPS. NEXT WE GO INTO PUBLIC [10.1 Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Streamlined Annual Public Housing Agency Plan, 2025-2029 Five-Year Public Housing Agency Plan, and Updated Section 8 Housing Choice Voucher Program Administrative Plan.] HEARINGS. FIRST IS, UH, 10.1 FISCAL YEAR, 20 25, 26, STREAMLINED ANNUAL PUBLIC HOUSING AGENCY PLAN, AND 25 THROUGH 29 5 YEAR PUBLIC HOUSING AGENCY PLAN. AND UPDATED SECTION EIGHT HOUSING, UH, CHOICE VOUCHER PROGRAM, ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN. AND I'LL LOOK. THAT'S GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A REPORT, UH, BUT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY. AT THIS POINT, I WOULD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, I DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE ANY SPEAKER SLIPS FOR THIS ITEM. OKAY. SO IF WE COULD HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND THAT, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. AND, UH, PLEASE VOTE. THIS IS TO JUST TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. AND, UH, WITH THAT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADOPT ITEM 10.1 SECOND MR. MAYOR, ADOPT THE RESOLUTION. OKAY. WE HAVE THAT. AND, UH, UM, THE ONLY THING I DID ASK STAFF THAT WE COULD HAVE AN UPDATE, UH, DURING OUR BRIEFINGS, UH, IF WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE ARE DOING, BECAUSE THIS IS DEALING WITH OUR, UM, VOUCHER PROGRAMS WITH OUR SECTION EIGHT, ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. AND, AND TO, BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO TAKE, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE SAY WE DON'T DO ENOUGH FOR LOW INCOME AND LOW INCOME HOUSING. I THINK TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE CITIES IN THE COUNTY AND JUST SEE HOW, HOW DO WE MEASURE UP ON THAT. I THINK IT WOULD BE A, BE AN INTERESTING, UH, INTERESTING DISPLAY. SO THAT WAS MY ONLY, UH, REQUEST. I KNOW STAFF IS ALREADY WORKING, PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, SPEAKING OF WHAT YOU JUST COMMENTED, UH, THE STAFF REPORT DOES POINT OUT THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT. THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WILL PROVIDE 1,131 HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS AND 32 EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS. MM-HMM . SO THAT IS, UH, WHAT A 1,163 VOUCHERS ARE GOING TO NATIONAL CITY FOLKS WHO ARE, UM, WHO NEED SUBSISTENCE FOR, FOR THEIR LIVING CONDITIONS. AND, UM, AN ANNUAL HOUSING SUBSIDY VALUE OF 18.5 MILLION. SO THAT IS SUBSTANTIAL, SUBSTANTIAL, UH, TOTAL PROGRAM BUDGET OF 20.2 MILLION. UM, MY QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH THE FEDERAL STATE OF, OF HUD. DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT, CARLOS? YEAH, WE, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT [01:30:01] THERE IS, UM, THERE ARE PLANS TO, UH, CUT, UH, CERTAIN PROGRAMS FROM HUD. SECTION EIGHT HAS NOT YET BEEN ADDRESSED OR HAS BEEN SOME IMPACTS TO STAFFING AT THE HUD LEVEL. AND HUD HAS GIVEN US DIRECTION NOT TO ISSUE ANY MORE VOUCHERS BECAUSE IN THE INSTANCE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AN ALLOCATION DECIDE TO, UH, FURTHER CUT PROGRAMS LIKE SECTION EIGHT, WE WOULD HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO DEAL WITH THAT. BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, WE FORESEE OUR CURRENT VOUCHERS BEING FULLY FUNDED. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR AGUIRE. AND I ALSO DO WANNA POINT OUT YOUR INTERVIEW. I KNOW THAT YOU WERE QUOTED IN, I KNEW SOURCE STATING THAT FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HELP PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AND IF CUTS ARE MADE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, WE ARE ULTIMATELY GOING TO HURT PEOPLE. SO I DO APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT THERE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YES. UH, AND JUST TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MY COLLEAGUES FOR THE DISCUSSION ON THIS. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR HOUSING AUTHORITY STAFF FOR WORKING ON THIS ISSUE DILIGENTLY. AS MY COLLEAGUE STATED, WE DO RECEIVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FROM HUD, OUR FEDERAL DEPARTMENT IN ORDER TO PROVIDE HOUSING VOUCHERS, UH, TO THE TUNE OF $18.5 MILLION A YEAR. UM, AND THE TOTAL PROGRAM BUDGET WOULD BE OVER 20.2 MILLION A YEAR. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THOSE RECIPIENTS ARE SENIORS, SENIOR CITIZENS. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BRING SOMETHING BACK, CAN YOU PLEASE, UM, HAVE A AGE, UM, BREAKDOWN, UH, AS, AS TO WHO IS, WHO ARE ACTUALLY THE RECIPIENTS? YES, WE DEFINITELY CAN PROVIDE A DEMOGRAPHIC REPORT AS, AS TO WHO'S BENEFITING FROM THE VOUCHERS, WHICH ARE IN MAJORITY SENIORS AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY THE, THE POPULATION THAT WE MOST ASSIST. AND WE WILL PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION WITH REGARDS TO PER CAPITA MM-HMM . UH, HOW MUCH NATIONAL CITY RECEIVES. BUT PER CAPITA, WE PROBABLY RECEIVE MORE ASSISTANCE THAN ANY OTHER JURISDICTION. HENCE WHY WE DECIDED TO SOME TIME AGO, KEEP THE PROGRAM IN NATIONAL CITY BECAUSE WE WERE, WERE ABLE TO HELP A MORE SUBSTANTIAL POPULATION. MM-HMM . THANK YOU CARLOS. EXACTLY. ALRIGHT, UM, WITH THAT WE HAVE, I MAKE MOTION. MOTION A SECOND ON THE FLOOR, MAKE A MO OH, WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION. YEP. YEP. AND, UH, SO THIS WAS FOR ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. THAT WAS TEN ONE. GO ON [10.2 Introduction and First Reading of an Ordinance Amending Chapter 15.29 of the National City Municipal Code Establishing a Fire Inspection Program] TO TEN TWO. THIS IS, UH, INTRODUCTION, FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING, UH, CHAPTER 15.29 OF THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL CODE, ESTABLISHING A FIRE INSPECTION PROGRAM. AND SO DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF REPORT ON THIS? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER, CITY STAFF, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. UH, NEXT TO ME IS OUR DEPUTY FIRE MARSHALL, BOB DREW, WHO WILL BRIEF A COUNCIL ON EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. UH, THIS IS A, UH, A REWRITE OF A PROGRAM, UH, A PORTION OF A INSPECTION PROGRAM WE HAD YEARS AGO, UH, WITH ADDITIONS TO IT. SO, UH, WHAT THIS IS ESTABLISHING IS THAT, UH, WE WILL HAVE A, UH, INSPECTION PROGRAM BE AVAILABLE TO INSPECT ALL THE BUSINESSES WITHIN CERTAIN CRITERIA EVERY YEAR. AND A BIENNIAL PROGRAM TO DO THE LESS, UH, UH, HAZARDOUS BUSINESSES ON A BIENNIAL PROGRAM. UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT IN THE, THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE CLEANER VERSUS JUST THE ONES THAT, UH, THE STATE MANDATES WE INSPECT EVERY YEAR, LIKE RESIDENTIALS AND, UH, HIGH RISES, UH, JAILS, THINGS LIKE THAT. IF, IF I MAY ADD, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, WHEN WE, WE HAD A NEW CITY ADMINISTRATION COME IN AND, AND REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DOING IN REGARDS TO OUR COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION DIVISION AND WHERE WE CAN BE A MORE EFFICIENT, BUSINESS FRIENDLY APPROACH TO, TO REALLY, UH, THE, THE, THE PUBLIC. UH, SO WE TOOK A CLOSE LOOK AT, AT, AT THE BUILDINGS HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 2,500 OR SO, UH, INSPECTABLE PREMISES OR BUILDINGS WITHIN THE CITY. WE DO NOT GET TO ALL THOSE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. AND A LITTLE HISTORY ON THAT, UH, YOU, PART OF THE, THE, THE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY INSPECTION FEE WAS CHARGED DURING A, A BUSINESS LICENSE [01:35:01] PROCESS. AND NOT EVERY, WE, WE, WE COULDN'T GET OUT TO EVERY BUSINESS WITHIN THE CITY DUE TO STAFFING LEVELS. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE. OUR CURRENT STAFFING LEVELS ALLOW US TO GET TO AROUND 1500 ANNUALLY. UH, SO WE FELT THAT, UH, WE NEEDED TO REALLY SOLIDIFY OUR, OUR STANCE AND OUR AUTHORITY TO REALLY CHARGE A FEE THAT WE WERE NOT PERFORMING. SO AS A RESULT OF, UH, LOOKING INTERNALLY AND REALLY CLEARING UP AN OLD ORDINANCE AND, AND PRESENTING YOU WITH A NEW ONE THAT WAS MORE, MORE REASON, MORE EFFECTIVE, AND REALLY CAPTURES WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN REGARDS TO ENSURING THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS SAFE, UM, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THAT PREVENTION IS REALLY, I THINK, ANNOUNCED THE PREVENTION IS WORTH A POUND OF CARE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT AS YOUR FIRE CHIEF, THAT OUR EFFORTS NEED TO BE STRONGLY, UH, REALLY TAILORED TO, AT THE PREVENTION SIDE, PRIOR TO ANY EMERGENCY OCCURRING. AND THIS IS REALLY THE INTENT OF, OF, OF OUR PROGRAM TO GET OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, INSPECT THOSE BUILDINGS THAT WE FEEL HAVE A HAZARDOUS ASPECT TO THEM, AND ALSO ASSIST ALL OTHER OCCUPANCIES AND, AND BUSINESSES WITHIN THE CITY THAT REALLY DON'T POSSESS A HIGH HAZARD, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THEM. AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THAT REGARD IS DO A SELF INSPECTION PROGRAM WHERE WE WILL ENCOURAGE NEW BUSINESSES TO FALL INTO UNDER THAT CRITERIA, TO DO THEIR OWN ANNUAL SELF INSPECTIONS, RETURN THAT DOCUMENT TO US, AND WE WILL SEE HIM AT THAT THIRD YEAR, UM, TO ENSURE THAT WE REALLY ARE MAINTAINING THAT HIGH LEVEL OF, OF SAFETY STANDARDS THAT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THE OLDEST COMMUNITIES IN THE COUNTY, AND OUR BUILDING STOCK ISN'T, THE MAJORITY OF, OF OUR BUILDINGS, UM, ARE NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE THE MODERN SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS. AND THEREFORE, I FEEL AS OUR FIRE CHIEF THAT WE NEED TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE GET OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY, TO OUR BUSINESS OWNERS, OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND TO OUR RESIDENTS AND, AND PROVIDE THEM WITH DIRECTION AND A AND A LEVEL OF SAFETY. SO THAT REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS JUST IMPROVING ON SOMETHING THAT WE, WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND IT JUST NEEDED TO, TO BE MORE SPECIFIC AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH IT, BE IT, HAVE A MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY APPROACH TO ENCOURAGE THOSE FOLKS TO COME INTO THE CITY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE A BUSINESS. AND AT THE SAME TIME ENSURE TO THEM THAT, UH, THEIR SAFETY IS OUR, ONE OF OUR MOST IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT CONCERNS. AND HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING THAT IS BY PROVIDING THESE ANNUAL BIANNUAL FIRE LI LIFE AND FIRE SAFETY INSPECTIONS. UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A CRITICAL, IT'S A CRITICAL PART OF WHAT WE DO AS A FIRE DEPARTMENT HERE IN THE CITY. JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION QUESTION TO YOU, CHIEF. UM, SO THIS IS NOT A NEW TAX ON BUSINESSES OR A NEW FEE. IN FACT, IF ANYTHING ACROSS THE BOARD, IT'S BASICALLY A REDUCTION, CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS HOW IS THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY GONNA RECEIVE THIS? RIGHT. UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE REACHED OUT TO THE CA TO THE CHAMBER TODAY TO REALLY CLARIFY AND, AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE FEES WILL, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS, WILL THERE BE RETROACTIVE FEES? THERE IS GONNA BE NONE OF THAT, AND THE FEES WILL NOT INCREASE. IF ANYTHING, THEY WILL BE REDUCED. RIGHT. SLIGHTLY. OKAY. SO JUST WANTING TO MAKE, MAKE SURE WE CLAR GET THAT CLARIFICATION. WE GOTTA SEE THE PRESIDENT OF THE, THE CHAMBER SITTING BACK THERE AND , I, I BELIEVE THAT FIRST WITH A VERY CONCERNED LOOK ON HER FACE, BUT NOW'S THE SMILE ON HER FACE. OKAY. I BELIEVE THAT CONVERSATION WAS WHAT WAS HAD TODAY WITH OUR FIRE MARSHAL. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF FOR, UH, THE INFORMATION. THANK YOU FOR THE LONG BRIEFING. I HAD TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON HERE. UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, UM, STILL REMAINS A LITTLE BIT UNRESOLVED IN MY HEAD. UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'M VERY HAPPY ABOUT THE EFFICIENCY HERE. UM, THE, THIS RESOLUTION IS I THINK GOING TO COVER SOME OF THE OUTDATED, UM, THINGS THAT WERE, THAT, THAT NEEDED TO BE UPDATED, SUCH AS THE BIANNUAL INSPECTION, LIKE YOU SAID, UM, AND STAFF COVERING ALL OF THAT. MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH, UH, YOU MENTIONED, UM, THAT THE, THAT FIRE PD, I'M SORRY, FIRE DEPARTMENT DIDN'T HAVE, UM, AUTHORITY AND I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. CAN CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT AND HOW WAS THAT IDENTIFIED? THAT WAS BROUGHT TO, TO MY ATTENTION AND, AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I I DON'T REALLY HAVE CLARITY ON THAT. HOWEVER, UM, I BELIEVE THE, THE PART OF THE ISSUE WAS THAT WE WERE CHARGING A FEE DURING THE BUSINESS LICENSE PROCESS TO ALL NEW BUSINESSES. AND AS SUCH, WHEN YOU'RE CHARGING THEM A FEE FOR IT SERVES THAT THEY'RE NOT RECEIVING. THAT EXPOSES THE CITY TO, TO LITIGATION. UM, ADDITIONALLY, ALTHOUGH THE COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED THE, THE FIRE CODE, UM, WE ARE ALLOWED AS A, AS A FIRE DEPARTMENT TO BE MORE STRICT BUT NOT LESS STRICT. AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE APPROACH BEFORE [01:40:01] MY TIME HERE AT THE, AS AS THE FIRE CHIEF TO REALLY HAVE A, A ROBUST APPROACH AT OUR REALLY THE, THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF, OF OUR CITY IN REGARDS TO, TO OUR OCCU, OUR BUILDINGS AND OUR OCCUPANCY. SO IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A VERY STRONG, UH, EFFORT, UH, TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING. AND CERTAINLY WE DID NOT POSSESS THE AUTHORITY AS IDENTIFIED IN, IN OUR PREVIOUS ORDINANCE TO BE, TO BE REQUIRING THAT OF BUSINESSES. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS IDENTIFIED SPECIFICALLY THE BUILDINGS THAT WE WILL LOOK AT EACH TYPE OF OCCUPANCY AND THEN TAILOR THOSE EFFORTS AT THE HIGH HAZARDS, THE MEDIUM HAZARDS AND, AND THE LOW HAZARD OCCUPANCIES. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE THE AUTHORITY PIECE WAS MISSING. OKAY. AND, AND SO BY, BY CLEANING ALL OF THAT UP, THERE'LL BE NO EXPOSURE TO THE CITY WHILE ALLOWING US TO ENSURE THAT THE, THAT THE, OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND OUR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY HAS A SAFE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH THEY CAN PROSPER THROUGH COMMERCE OR THROUGH OR THROUGH THE RESIDENCES. OKAY. AND I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THROUGH MY BRIEFING THAT THERE HAD BEEN A PAUSE ON THE COLLECTION OF FEES WHILE THIS WAS BEING IRONED OUT, AND, AND NOW FEES WILL RESUME. THAT IS CORRECT. SO YOU, HOWEVER, THERE WILL NOT BE RETRO CHARGES. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. I KNOW THE MAYOR ASKED THAT. UM, A AND SO I, I I REMEMBER ASKING, UH, AT, AT MY LA AT THE LAST TIME THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS OUT, COUNSEL, REGARDING THE SHORTFALL TO THE BUDGET, WHICH IS, UH, UPWARDS OF 400,000. YES. UM, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT SHORTFALL. YEAH. THE, THE, THE AMOUNT WAS ABOUT 415,000 THAT WE HAD PROJECTED IN REVENUE AS A RESULT OF, OF COLLECTING THESE FEES. UH, WE, THAT WAS PAUSED MAY 28TH OF, OF LAST YEAR. AS A RESULT, WE DID NOT, UH, THE STATE DID NOT RECEIVE THAT REVENUE IN, IN REGARDS TO THE SERVICES THAT WE WERE PROVIDING. UH, WE DID NOT PAUSE OUR SERVICE, OUR INSPECTIONS. AGAIN, SAFETY IS CRITICAL IMPORTANCE, UH, IN OUR OPINION. AND I, I THINK YOURS AS WELL. SO WE CONTINUED THE SERVICE. WE JUST DID NOT CHARGE THAT FEE. GOT IT. AS WE, UH, DEVELOPED THIS NEW APPROACH AT, AT, UH, I REALLY MEAN MORE COMPREHENSIVE, I IDENTIFY EXACTLY WHAT WE WILL LOOK AT HAVING THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO, AND ALSO ENSURING THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, AND NOT ONLY OUR, OUR, OUR COMMERCIAL FOLKS, BUT THOSE, THOSE WHOM LIVE HERE HAVE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT. AND I, I REALLY, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING ONCE WE STARTED LOOKING THAT WAS SORELY NEEDED TO REALLY GIVE US THE, YOU KNOW, THAT AFFIRM STAND BY WHICH TO STAND OUR IN, IN OUR, IN OUR MISSION MM-HMM . TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU. UH, AGAIN, I DO APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS BUTTONING UP ALL OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT LOOPHOLES, BUT MAYBE THOSE MISSING PIECES IN THE ORDINANCE, AND NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE CRYSTAL CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOUR AUTHORITY IS. UM, I LASTLY NEED TO ASK, WERE YOU AWARE THAT, UH, THE, THE SERVICES WERE, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SERVICES WERE HAPPENING, BUT WERE YOU AWARE THAT PAYMENT FOR THOSE SERVICES WEREN'T HAPPENING? WERE, WERE YOU I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE WHEN YOU, WHEN, UM, UH, AT THE LAST DISCUSSION IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A SURPRISE THAT YOU WERE COMING UP WITH A $400,000 SHORTFALL. THAT IS CORRECT. I WAS UNAWARE THAT, THAT, THAT THAT HAD BEGUN. UH, ALTHOUGH IT'S ENTIRELY MY RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK AT OUR BUDGETS AND CERTAINLY OUR REVENUES MORE CLOSELY, ONE OF THE THINGS. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE, HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY DO THAT? WELL, UH, WE HAVE A METHOD THAT I CAN, WHERE I CAN TRACK REVENUES. UH, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT, A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT NOW WITH OUR NEW SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. BUT CERTAINLY AS THE DEPARTMENT HEAD, I NEED TO NOT ONLY PAY ATTENTION TO EXPENDITURES, BUT AS WELL AS REVENUES. RIGHT. OKAY. BUT, UH, THE SHORT ANSWER, NO, I WAS UNAWARE. UH, BUT ULTIMATELY THAT RESPONSIBILITY LIES WITH, WITH ME IN LOOKING AT THOSE, ALL THOSE COLUMNS AND ALL THOSE, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE ASPECTS OF OUR BUDGETARY PROCESS MORE CLOSELY. THANK YOU. UH, I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT. SURE. I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON THAT. THANK YOU. YEP. ANY OTHER CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? NONE. OKAY. AT THIS POINT I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, HUH? OH, IS IT FROM US FIRST? WELL, IF YOU HAVE CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS. OKAY. UM, THE, UH, UH, AT THIS POINT I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER, MR. THOMAS REICH. THANK YOU. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE CONTRACTORS, DO INSPECTORS, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE NATIONAL CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT PEOPLE OR CONTRACTORS DOING THIS. UH, THOSE ARE MEMBERS OF THE DEPARTMENT. WHAT THEY ARE MEMBERS OF OUR DEPARTMENT, THEY ARE MEMBERS OF YOUR DEPARTMENT. MM-HMM . ALSO, WHAT IS THE IDEA, WHAT IS THE FEE THAT YOU CHARGE THESE PEOPLE TWO YEAR, UH, [01:45:01] THESE PEOPLE'S TWO, TWO TIMES A YEAR. IS IT A A HUNDRED DOLLARS, $50 OR $500? WHAT IS A NORMAL, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE FEE FOR FIRE INSPECTION ON THE FEE SCHEDULE? IT'S, IT'S BASED OFF OF SQUARE FOOTAGE. THE TYPE OF BUSINESS IT IS, OR IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL, IT'S, IT'S BASED OFF THE SIZE OF THE RESIDENTIAL. IT'S A HOSPITAL, IT'S BASED OFF THE SIZE, SO ON SO FORTH. SO THE, THE AVERAGE FEE FOR A BUSINESS UNDER 6,000 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE CURRENTLY $153 BI-ANNUALLY, ANNUALLY. AND, AND IF IT'S PART OF THE BI-ANNUAL PROGRAM, IT WOULD ONLY BE DURING ALL THE FEES WOULD ONLY BE DURING THE INSPECTION. SO IF YOU GOT A FIRE INSPECTOR IN YOUR BUSINESS OR YOUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, IT WOULD BE FOR THAT INSPECTION. SO YOU, BUT SAY BIANNUAL. SO WOULD IT BE TWICE A YEAR OR JUST ONCE A YEAR? BI BIANNUAL IS EVERY TWO YEARS. OH, ONCE EVERY I GOT IT WRONG. OKAY. NO. ALRIGHT. I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON ZOOM. CORRECT. OKAY. WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE, WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THE MOVE, MR. CHAIR SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. THIS IS TO INTRODUCE THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE BY FIRST READING. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. . AND WITH THAT SEEING CHAIR YES. JUST POINT OF CLARIFICATION. AS A MEMBER OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, I RAISED THIS QUESTION, UH, BECAUSE, UM, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BUSINESS, OF THE, UM, MEMBERS IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY HAVE APPROACHED ME. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I REQUESTED, UM, FOR THIS TO BE REVISITED BECAUSE IT IS NOT JUST A ONETIME FEE. IT'S $139 PER YEAR FOR ALL THE BUSINESSES IN THE CITY. AND IT BECAME SO PUNITIVE THAT, UH, THAT A, UH, BROKEN, UM, OR, OR A, UH, BANDED, UM, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS, UM, A AVEED, UM, DISPLAY, UM, UM, UH, UM, EQUIPMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT, RED TAGS THAT BUSINESS WITHOUT ANY, UM, WITHOUT ANY, UM, DUE PROCESS. THAT'S WHY I RAISED THIS QUESTION. AND SO I BELIEVE THAT AS YOU SAY, YOU HAVE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO BE, UM, INVESTIGATING PUNITIVELY. YOU HAVE TO INVESTIGATE THE, UH, THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE, NOT THE, UH, NOT THE, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS? NOT SOME MINOR, UM, UH, OVERSIGHT OR, OR, UM, UM, UM, OVERSIGHT FROM THE BUSINESSES THAT WE PUT ON PUNITIVE DAMAGE OR PUNITIVELY CLOSE THEIR BUSINESS, OR IF YOU KNOW, THE MEASUREMENT OF THE DOOR WHEN THEY'RE DOING AN A TENANT IMPROVEMENT. THESE ARE ALL, UM, QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME TO MY ATTENTION, NOT WHEN I'M STILL, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T STILL HERE WHEN THOSE QUESTIONS, UM, AR UH, HAD ARISEN. AND I, AS A PAST PRESIDENT OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE HAVE TO, UH, LOOK INTO THIS AND REQUESTED AND TALK TO STAFF, WHY IS THIS HAPPENING? AND SO, UM, WHEN I SAT HERE AS A, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I REQUESTED AGAIN BECAUSE, UM, I HAVE TO PAY MY BUSINESS LICENSES AND I HAVE THREE OF THEM, RIGHT? AND I HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS DOWN THERE ON DISTRICT ONE. AND SO I ASK AGAIN, WHY IS THIS BECOMING PUNITIVE? WHY IS THIS SERVICE, IF YOU SAY, WE'RE ONLY GETTING, UH, GETTING, UM, A BUSINESS A FEE FOR INSPECTION OF, OF ONCE, WHEN THE NEW BUSINESS COMES? I AM NOT A NEW BUSINESS. I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 91. SO, UH, AND I'VE BEEN GETTING IT EVER, EVER SINCE. THIS FEE, UH, WAS PUT IN PLACE, UM, IN, IN THE, YOU KNOW, AS AN INSPECTION FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR FOR THE, UH, UH, BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THAT'S WHY I RAISED THIS QUESTION. AND I BELIEVE THAT RESEARCH, RESEARCH WERE MADE, DUE DILIGENCE HAPPENED, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT FEE WAS REMOVED FROM, UH, FROM, UH, THE FEES THAT [01:50:01] WE PAY AS BUSINESS OWNERS. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UM, I THINK LAST YEAR. SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT IN THIS ORDINANCE. I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS FEE IS NOT PUNITIVE TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED BY FOUR TO ONE VOTE. OKAY. UM, NEXT WE GO ON TO, THAT WAS FOR INTRODUCTION ON THAT ONE. NEXT WE [10.3 Introduction of Ordinance Amending Chapter 9.60 of the National City Municipal Code to Expand Operating Hours for Store Front Cannabis Retail Facilities.] GO ON FOR, UH, 10.3. THIS IS AN INTRODUCTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 9.60 OF THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL CODE TO EXPAND OPERATING HOURS FOR STOREFRONT CANNABIS RETAIL FACILITIES. THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS, UH, THANK YOU AGAIN. GOOD EVENING. UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, STAFF COUNCIL, UH, AND THE PUBLIC OF COURSE, UH, MARTIN READER, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A FOLLOW UP TO THE POLICY 1 0 5 REQUEST REQUESTING A CHANGE IN THE HOURS FOR CANNABIS SALES. THE CODE CURRENTLY LIMITS THAT TO, UH, FROM 9:00 AM IN THE 9:00 AM TO 9:00 PM DAILY. AND THIS ORDINANCE THAT IS ATTACHED IS, UH, 6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED. AND WE DID PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR OTHER CITIES. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE EIGHT OTHER CITIES IN THE COUNTY THAT ALLOW SIMILAR SALES WITH MOST OF THEM BEING SIX TO 10:00 PM WITH THE EXCEPTION OF IMPERIAL BEACH, WHICH IS EIGHT TO 10 LA MESA, SEVEN TO NINE, AND ENCINITAS SEVEN TO NINE. CITY OF OCEANSIDE, UH, DOES IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS THROUGH THE CUP. SO, UH, THAT DOES CONCLUDE REPORT STAFF'S REPORT AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. MARY, YOU YOU NEED ME TO TAKE OVER? YOU GOT IT. UH, I GOT IT. I JUST CHECKING TO SEE IF ANYONE'S GOOD TRANSLATION IN THE OTHER ROOM. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. WITH THAT IF I'M SORRY. NO, THAT DID CONCLUDE STAFF'S REPORT. YES. EXCUSE ME. ALRIGHT. UM, WITH THAT, WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ON THIS. SO I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE, UH, ALEX, WHERE DID I SEE HIM? THERE HE IS BE FOLLOWED BY THOMAS REICH. AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON ZOOM. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, CITY STAFF. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS ALEX IONA. I REPRESENT SESSIONS BY THE BAY, ONE OF NATIONAL CITY'S, UH, LICENSE AND REGULATED CANNABIS BUSINESSES PREPARING TO OPEN HERE IN THE CITY. WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THE CITY ALIGN ITS HOURS WITH WHAT'S PERMITTED BY THE STATE 6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM UH, FOLLOWING, UH, NEIGHBORING CITIES SUCH AS SAN DIEGO AND CHULA VISTA. UH, THE CURRENT LIMIT OF 9:00 AM TO 9:00 PM REDUCES OUR HOURS BY 25%. UM, BEFORE WE'VE EVEN HAD A CHANCE TO OPEN THE DIFFERENCE IN OPERATING TIME REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT LOSS IN TAX REVENUE BY OUR ESTIMATES, UH, BETWEEN 400 AND 500, UH, THOUSAND ANNUALLY FOR THE CITY, AND LIMITS THE BENEFITS THESE BUSINESSES CAN OFFER TO THE CITY, NOT JUST IN REVENUE, BUT ALSO IN JOB CREATION AND LOCAL ECONOMIC ACTIVITY. UH, RESTRICTING HOURS DOESN'T STOP DEMAND, IT JUST SHIFTS IT ELSEWHERE, UH, EITHER TO THE CITIES WITH EXTENDED HOURS OR TO UNREGULATED SOURCES, WHICH UNDERCUTS THE LEGAL MARKET AND INTRODUCES UNNECESSARY PUBLIC SAFETY RISKS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, NEXT WE HAVE THOMAS REICH. UH, I'M OPPOSED TO ANY CANNABIS DISTRIBUTOR IN, IN NATIONAL CITY. AND, UH, YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT NOW AND YOUR VOTE WILL BE RECORDED AND THE PEOPLE WILL DO WILL. YOU WILL SEE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, NOW WE GO TO OUR, THOSE THAT ARE ON ZOOM. THANK YOU, JUDY STRANG. GOOD EVENING MAYOR MORRISON AND, UH, NATIONAL CITY, CITY COUNCIL. JUST BY WAY OF RECORD, WE SHOULD MENTION THAT THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER MARIJUANA LOUNGES FOR BUSINESS TO SHIFT TO, AS WAS SUGGESTED BY THE SPEAKER. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY FROM AN OFFICIAL PROCEDURAL MECHANISM THAT WHEN THE APPLICATIONS WENT OUT FOR MARIJUANA BUSINESSES IN NATIONAL CITY, IT LISTED THE HOURS, AND I THINK THEY SHOULD PROCEED UNDER THAT WRITTEN APPLICATION PROCEDURE. IF YOU DECIDE TO MAKE CHANGES AFTERWARDS, THAT'S A DECISION FOR AFTERWARDS. BUT SINCE ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS ALREADY [01:55:01] EXISTED WITH THESE HOURS, LET'S GO FORWARD AND CHECK IT OUT. AND , WHOOPS. DID YOU HEAR ME ? YOU YOU CUT OUT. OH, I'M SORRY. UH, LET ME TRY AGAIN. I JUST WANNA GO ON THE RECORD TO SAY THAT THE ARGUMENT REGARDING, WELL, WAIT, WAIT A MINUTE. YOU CUT OUT. BUT THE LAST THING YOU SAID WAS LET'S, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND JUST, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN 'EM THE WAY THEY ARE AND THEN LET'S SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT. OH, IF THAT'S THE LAST THING I SAID I, THAT I WAS PROBABLY JUST FINISHING UP TO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WASN'T TOO SURE IF YOU GOT CUT OFF OR THAT WAS, THAT WAS YOUR FINAL STATEMENT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GO ON STATEMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'LL GO ON THE NEXT ONE. PEGGY WALKER. THANK YOU. I STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS ORDINANCE BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO NEED FOR A MARIJUANA SALES TO BEGIN AT 6:00 AM IN THE MORNING PRIOR TO BUSY COMMUTE TIMES. I ALSO WANNA SAY, AS A PUBLIC HEALTH EDUCATOR, THAT I FOUND IT REALLY TROUBLESOME TO HEAR A MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL ANECDOTALLY STATE AT A PRIOR MEETING THAT MARIJUANA IS SAFE WHEN THIS CAME UP. THAT'S A TROUBLESOME MESSAGES MESSAGE WHEN WE KNOW THAT TODAY'S MARIJUANA HAS MIGRATED ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY TO HIGH POTENCY THC WITH LITTLE SAFER LOW DOSAGE AVAILABLE. THE NOTION OF MARIJUANA SAFE HAS BEEN DEBUNKED BY MANY STUDIES. IT'S DEBUNKED BY MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS POINTING TO HIKES AND MARIJUANA RELATED ADDICTION, ER, ADMISSIONS, PSYCHOSIS, CHILD POISONINGS, DUIS, ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS, HOMELESSNESS AND SUICIDE. IT WASN'T THE CASE FOR CONSUMERS WHO DIED AFTER EXPERIENCING PSYCHOTIC BREAKS. SO I JUST WANNA SAY THE BEST ADVICE WAS BY THE COUNCILWOMAN WHO SAID, LET'S WAIT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MEGAN STEWART. HI. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I ALSO AM STRONGLY OPPOSED TO EXPANDING THE OPERATING HOURS FOR MARIJUANA RETAILERS AND LOUNGES IN NATIONAL CITY. EXTENDING HOURS MEANS MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC INTOXICATION, INCREASED LAW ENFORCEMENT BURDENS, AND ESPECIALLY IMPAIRED DRIVING. A AAA SURVEY REVEALED THAT NEARLY 53% OF MARIJUANA UNI USERS CONSUME THE DRUG WITHIN AN HOUR BEFORE DRIVING. AND 47% BELIEVED THAT IT HAD LITTLE EFFECT ON THEIR DRIVING ABILITY. THIS MISJUDGMENT OF IMPAIRMENT GOES TO SHOW THAT THE INCREASE OF HOURS COULD LEAD TO INCREASED INSTANCES OF DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE, WHICH WOULD BRING DANGER TO THOSE AROUND THE, UM, FACILITY. ALONG WITH THAT, THE PRODUCT THESE ESTABLISHMENTS SELL, CARRY HEALTH AND SAFETY RISKS THAT AFFECT NOT JUST THE CONSUMER, BUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. LONGER HOURS MEAN MORE EXPOSURE TO SECONDHAND SMOKE NEAR THESE ESTABLISHMENTS, MARIJUANA SMOKE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO IMPACT NON-USERS AND EMPLOYEES THROUGH SECOND AND THIRDHAND SMOKE. THIRDHAND SMOKE IS WHEN THE TOXIC CHEMICALS AND RESIDUE ARE LEFT BEHIND AFTER SMOKING MARIJUANA PRODUCTS. THANK YOU. THIRDHAND SMOKE CAN BE DANGEROUS TO INHALE AS IT CAN CONTAIN UP TO MANY DIFFERENT CHEMICALS. NATIONAL CITY DOES NOT NEED TO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. MADISON WRAP. HI. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. UM, I'M ALSO HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THE OPERATING HOURS FOR CANNABIS RETAILERS. THESE SPACES WHERE INDIVIDUALS CAN CONSUME CANNABIS ON SITE CAN SEND A MESSAGE THAT PUBLIC CONSUMPTION IS ACCEPTABLE AND EVEN DESIRABLE, LIKE IN CANNABIS LOUNGES. THIS NORMALIZATION IS PARTICULARLY CONCERNING WHEN WE CONSIDER THE IMPACT ON YOUNG PEOPLE. THE MORE CANNABIS USE IS VISIBLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE MORE LIKELY IT IS THAT YOUNG PEOPLE WILL PERCEIVE IT AS HARMLESS OR EVEN AS SOMETHING TO BE EMULATED. WE KNOW THAT CANNABIS USE DURING ADOLESCENCE CAN HAVE SERIOUS LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES ON BRAIN DEVELOPMENT, MENTAL HEALTH, AND ACADEMIC PERFORMANCE. BY EXPANDING THE OPERATING HOURS AND ALLOWING EXTENDED ACCESS TO CANNABIS PRODUCTS IN PUBLIC OR SEMI-PUBLIC SPACES, WE RISK MAKING IT EASIER FOR YOUTH TO ACCESS CANNABIS AND REINFORCING HARMFUL SOCIAL BEHAVIORS. CANNABIS AFFECTS MOTOR SKILLS, JUDGMENT AND REACTION TIME. AND THE LATER THESE STORES REMAIN OPEN, THE MORE LIKELY IT IS THAT INDIVIDUALS WILL BE DRIVING OR ENGAGING IN ACTIVITIES UNDER THE INFLUENCE, PUTTING THEMSELVES AND OTHERS AT RISK. WE MUST PRIORITIZE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY OUR YOUTH, AND ENSURE THAT PUBLIC, YOU, YOUR COMMENT, REMAIN SAFE AND ENJOYABLE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MAYOR. THAT CONCLUDES OUR COMMENTS ON ZOOM. OKAY. AND MAYOR, WE HAVE ONE WRITTEN COMMENT FROM TED GOSHAWK ON THIS ITEM. YES. OKAY. WAS RECEIVED AND PASSED OUT TO EVERYBODY. UM, WITH THAT I WOULD, UH, LOOK TO [02:00:01] CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, PLEASE VOTE. LET IT COME UP HERE YET. CAN, CAN I HAVE THE SECOND PLEASE? PUSH THEIR BUTTON AGAIN. YEAH. THANK YOU. THERE WE GO. NOW YOU CAN VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. UM, [10.4 Public Hearing and Introduction of an Ordinance Amending National City Municipal Code Title 11, Section 11.32.140, Pertaining to Stopping and Parking Prohibitions. (Part 1 of 2)] SO NOW WE DO HAVE A, UM, THIS IS A INTRODUCTION OF AN ORDINANCE. UM, ONE QUESTION I DO HAVE, IT WAS, THERE WAS CONTAINED IN THE REPORT, IT WAS TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER CITIES AROUND US THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THEY WERE DOING. AND IT APPEARED THAT MOST OF 'EM, AND IT TALKED ABOUT CHULA VISTA, SAN DIEGO AND EVERYTHING ELSE WERE GOING ACCORDING TO THE, THE HOURS OF THE STATE. UH, THE STATE HOURS, UH, STATE ALLOWABLE HOURS. WAS THAT, WAS THAT VERIFIED? UH, THAT'S TRUE. THERE ARE EIGHT OTHER CITIES. SAN DIEGO IS SIX TO 10. CHULA VISTA IS ALSO SIX TO 10, OR IT QUOTED SAME AS THE STATE. IMPERIAL BEACH IS 8:00 AM TO 10:00 PM LA MESA, 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM LEMON GROVE. 6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM OR AS SPECIFIED IN THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OCEANSIDE PER THEIR APPROVED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. VISTA SIX TO 10 AND ENCINITAS SEVEN TO 9:00 PM OKAY. YEAH, THE REASON I ASKED THAT BECAUSE JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO WAS LOOKING AT INCREASING THEIR FEES, UH, ON, ON CANNABIS. AND THE OWNERS WERE KICKING BACK. AND WHAT WAS STATED IN THE PAPER WAS IF THEY WERE GONNA DO THAT, THEY'RE GONNA RAISE THEIR FEES AND THEY NEED TO ALLOW THEM TO BE OPEN THE STATE HOURS AND EXPAND IT TO THE STATE HOURS. SO I GUESS MAYBE THAT OLD QUOTE IS RIGHT. YOU CAN'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ IN THE NEWSPAPERS OR ON THE INTERNET. I THINK THAT WAS A QUOTE BY ABRAHAM LINCOLN. BUT, UH, ANYWAY, SO, OKAY. SO AS LONG AS WE VERIFIED THAT ALRIGHT, JUST WANTED, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE FOR THE RECORD, ANY ANY COMMENTS OR ANYTHING OR PLEASURE. WHAT WAS YOUR PLEASURE? COMMENT, MR. MAYOR. FULL DISCLOSURE, I WENT TO VISIT, UH, SESSIONS. SESSIONS BY THE BAY. MM-HMM . UM, WAS VERY GRATEFUL TO THE OWNER. MR. CHERYL, ALEX, WHO WAS HERE, UM, WALKED ME THROUGH THE BUSINESS, UM, REALLY VERY, UM, NICE, UM, STATE OF THE ART. UM, THEY'RE, UM, ALL GETTING READY FOR THE OPENING ON THE SEVENTH. I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE INVITE THAT I RECEIVED FINALLY. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UM, IT, IT WILL OPEN. UM, AND SO I APPRECIATE, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. ALEX FOR, UM, WALKING ME THROUGH, UH, THE ESTABLISHMENT, WHICH IS, UM, REALLY VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I THINK, UM, THE, UH, STAFF ALSO HAD MADE THEIR SHARE OF THEIR, UM, THEIR, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS, THEIR, UM, WHEN THEY GO CHECK THOSE, UH, THOSE FINAL INSPECTIONS OF, OF, UH, THE, THE ESTABLISHMENTS. SO IT WAS VERY NICE ESTABLISHMENT, UH, VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'M IN CLEAN, VERY, UM, STATE OF THE ART. UM, I WISH THEM WELL IN THEIR BUSINESS AS A BUSINESS OWNER. UM, BUT I STILL WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO SHOW ME THE, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, SHOW ME THE, THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT, UH, BEFORE I MAKE CHANGES TO THIS ORDINANCE OR TO THIS, UM, DA THANK YOU. YES. YES. I REALLY WANTED TO THANK, UM, ALEX FOR, FOR COMING TODAY AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF PUBLIC CONCERN WITH PUBLIC SAFETY. PUBLIC SAFETY ON THIS ISSUE ON CANNABIS IS, IS A PRIORITY FOR US. IT'S PARAMOUNT. AND SO, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE ALEX ALSO GIVING ME A TOUR AND WALKING THROUGH ALL THE SAFETY MEASURES THAT HE'S GOING TO DO THAT THEIR BUSINESS IS GONNA DO TO PREVENT, UH, DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE AND HOW THEY'LL KEEP A COMMUNICATION WITH OUR, UH, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND US WHEN THERE'S ISSUES. SO, UM, BUT FOR ME, LOOKING AT THE ECONOMICS, UM, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT 'CAUSE WE'LL BE THE FIRST IN THE COUNTY TO, TO TRY THIS, TO DO A CONSUMPTION LOUNGE. IT'S BEEN TRIED IN OTHER CITIES. IT RAISES THE REVENUE AND WE REALLY NEED REVENUE RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE REVENUE. IT'S BALANCING LIKE, UH, BALANCING THE SAFETY, LIKE I SAID. BUT I ALSO AM REALLY, UH, I'M SEEING THE EXCITEMENT FOR THIS. THERE'S A MARKET FOR IT. UM, I, I THINK IT COULD IN MANY WAYS PUT NATIONAL CITY ON THE MAP WITH THE ART THAT YOU HAVE IN INSIDE INSTALLED. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR PLANS FOR FUTURE ROOFTOP ROOFTOP LOUNGE BECAUSE THAT MARINA GATEWAY. THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A, IT'S THE ENTRANCE TO OUR, OUR BAY FRONT, SO IT'S A VERY PROMINENT, UH, AREA. SO, UM, SO I'M, UH, EXCITED, LOOKING FORWARD TO THE OPENING, AND I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO INTRODUCE INTRODUCES ORDINANCE SECOND MOTION AND SECOND, UH, CHAIR QUESTION. YES. [02:05:01] FIRST READING, IT COMES BACK A SECOND READING, UM, QUESTION. I, I POSED THIS QUESTION TO THE CHIEF LAST TIME ON THE, UH, ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THE, UH, EXTENSION OF OFFICE HOURS TO OUR BEAT. SO, I DON'T KNOW, UH, MR. CITY MANAGER, I HAVEN'T RECEIVED THAT REPORT. WE CAN PROVIDE THAT. UM, UH, AT THE SECOND READING AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD BE. I'LL ACCEPT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, YEAH, A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT I ALSO DISCLOSED, I THINK I DISCLOSED THAT ARE, WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT UP AS A 1 0 5, UH, THAT I DID TOUR THE FACILITY, AND I DID HAVE A COUPLE MEETINGS, UH, WITH YOU WHEN, WHEN YOU WERE BRINGING IT UP, EVEN THOUGH I VOTED AGAINST THIS WHEN IT CAME BEFORE THE COUNCIL, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE OF WE STAFF, WELL, COUNCIL'S INSTRUCTIONS WERE ENTIRELY BYPASSED, AND OUR PROCESS WAS ENTIRELY BYPASSED ON THIS ONE. AND I, UH, SO I DID VOTE AGAINST IT AT THAT POINT, BUT I HAVE, I HAVE WENT BY THERE. IT'S A PHENOMENAL, PHENOMENAL SETUP, BUT THE, REALIZING WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT SESSIONS, BUT THIS WOULD BE, THIS IS FOR ALL RETAILERS, SO IT WOULD NOT JUST BE FOR THIS ONE FACILITY. AND SO, AS LONG AS WE REALIZE THAT, AND, UH, UM, AND AS I SAY, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE ECSTATIC THAT ANY OTHERS THAT DO OPEN UP WOULD BE OF THE QUALITY AND CALIBER THAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR WITH ASSESSORS. AND, UH, UM, BUT, BUT AS I SAY, AS LONG AS WE REALIZE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ONE BUSINESS HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEVERAL, AND THE OTHER ONES, WE THAT ARE UNKNOWN AT THIS POINT. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. MR. MAYOR? YES. THANK YOU. UH, REALLY WANNA COMMEND THE EFFORTS OF, UH, ALEX, YOUR TEAM IN, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WORKING SO HARD AND DILIGENTLY AND FINALLY GETTING THIS BUSINESS OFF THE GROUND. WE, UH, HAVE BEEN HEARING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL. SO, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, FINALLY OPENING. UM, UH, I, I HAVE MADE PUBLIC STATEMENTS IN THE PAST, UH, WITH A INTENT TO REVISIT OUR, UH, CANNABIS ORDINANCE AT SOME POINT AFTER OUR FIRST CANNABIS, UH, SHOP OPENED UP. SO I DO LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, UH, DISCUSSING THE ORDINANCE ONCE AGAIN, NOW THAT WE HAVE OUR FIRST LOCATION OPEN, AND I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHERS OPENING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED BY FOUR TO ONE VOTE. OKAY. UM, OKAY, SO THAT IS FOR 10.3. 10.4 IS A MUNI, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, AN INTRODUCTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL CODE. TITLE 11, SECTION 11.3 2.140 PERTAINING TO STOPPING AND PARKING PROHIBITIONS. AND DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF REPORT? I KNOW WE DID HAVE REPORTED OUR LAST MEETING ON THIS, BUT ANYTHING ADDITIONAL OR CLARIFICATION? UH, NO. MAYOR STEVE MANEL, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, WE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AT THE LAST MEETING. PRIMARY PURPOSE IS TO JUST, UM, HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY WITH, WITH, UH, ASSEMBLY BILL, UH, FOUR 13 KNOWN AS THE, THE DAY LIGHTING LAW. MM-HMM . AND, UH, JUST AS A REFRESHER, THAT LAW, UH, WHICH HAS ALSO BEEN, UM, INCORPORATED INTO THE CALIFORNIA VEHICLE CODE, PROHIBITS PARKING WITHIN 20 FEET IN, UH, PROHIBITS PARKING IN ADVANCE OF 20 FEET IN ADVANCE OF A CROSSWALK MM-HMM . AND SO BY, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS ORDINANCE, IT, IT ALLOWS US TO BE CONSISTENT WITH, WITH THIS, UH, NEW STATE LAW. OKAY. AND YOU'RE NOT HAVING SPEAKERS. OKAY. UH, SO AT THIS POINT, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS SIDE. ALRIGHT. THERE. NONE. AND SO I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE'LL CHAIR SECOND. OKAY. IF WE CAN PUT OUR MOTIONS AND SECOND IN THERE. THERE WE GO. UM, YEAH, MY ONLY I, AND I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO DO THIS TO GET OURSELF IN LINE WITH THE STATE LAW. UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I KNOW THAT WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT GOING SLOW WITH THIS THING, BECAUSE IT MAY BE A STATE LAW, BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT, SACRAMENTO ACTUALLY MAKES LAWS SOMETIMES THAT ARE VERY CONFUSING. AND THIS ONE HAS SOME REAL CONFUSING SPOTS TO IT, AND ON WHICH CORNER AND [02:10:01] IN WHICH DIRECTION THAT THAT IS, YOU CAN'T PARK IN. AND SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA TAKE A, UM, THIS IS ONE WHERE I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SEE THIS BEING USED AS A TRAP ON PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THE LAW IS SO AMBIGUOUS AND SO CONFUSING. UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE DO NEED TO COME IN LINE WITH STATE LAW. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING ALL THAT UP, MR. MAYOR. I DO THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE FOR US TO MAKE SURE WE VOICE OUR OPINION AT THE STATE WHEN WE AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH, UH, STATE LEGISLATION. UM, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STAFF FOR WORKING ON THIS ISSUE, THE PRESENTATION AT THE LAST MEETING, AND ALSO NOT JUST GOING, UH, AHEAD AND GIVING THE TICKETS, BUT, UH, PROVIDING AN AWARENESS TO INDIVIDUALS WHERE THEY CAN AND CANNOT PARK. AND ULTIMATELY, THE INTENT IS TO MAKE OUR CITY MORE WALKABLE. AND, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE HAD A SERIES OF, UH, FATALITIES OF, UM, HIDDEN RUNS IN OUR CITY. SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE MORE SAFETY, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IN OUR, IN OUR, AND MAKE OUR CITY MORE WALKABLE. UM, THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE LAW. UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, THE EXPERTISE, UH, STEVE AND YOUR TEAM, UM, AND BEN IN, IN ROLLING THIS THROUGH THE CITY. I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE, UM, UH, INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC, AND I KNOW WE'LL BE DOING THAT IN PERSON, BUT ALSO A SUGGESTION OF MAYBE ROLLING OUT SOME SOCIAL MEDIA. AND I KNOW WE HAVE EMAIL BLASTS TO RESIDENTS TO PROVIDE THEM THIS INFORMATION AS WELL. RIGHT? IS THAT SOMETHING WE THINK WE CAN DO, BEN? YES. I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE PLAN, RIGHT, STEVE? RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU. YEAH, IT STILL DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GONNA BE EASY TO EXPLAIN IT. AND THE OTHER THING IS, IT DOES MAKE IT SO THAT FOR, IF YOU'RE WALKING FROM, FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT, THAT YOU CAN SEE BETTER. BUT IN SO MANY OF OUR INTERSECTIONS, ESPECIALLY, WE HAVE VERY NARROW STREETS AND A LOT OF THE OLDER STREETS, IF YOU HAVE A CAR AND YOU'RE COMING OUT AND THERE'S NOT A CROSSWALK THERE, BUT YOU'VE GOT SUVS OR WHATEVER PARKED RIGHT UP AGAINST, RIGHT UP TO THE INTERSECTION, YOU'RE GOING OUT BLIND IN THE INTERSECTION. THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. SO THIS IS NOT FOR PROTECTION THAT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING, SO, SO YOU DON'T HAVE ACCIDENTS. IT'S, THIS IS JUST SET UP FOR THE CROSSWALKS, FOR THE PEDESTRIAN PORTION OF IT ONLY. AND SO IT'S ONCE, ONCE AGAIN THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA CAUSE A LOT, I THINK, A LOT OF THE CONFUSION. SO, UH, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT MESSAGING. UM, WITH THAT, WE HAVE MOTION AND A SECOND, SO YOU NO DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. UM, NEXT WE GO TO [11.1 Discussion of Potential Short-Term Rental Ordinance ] STAFF REPORTS. FIRST ONE IS A DISCUSSION OF POTENTIAL SHORT TERM, UH, RENTAL ORDINANCE. OKAY. UH, GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL STAFF PUBLIC, MARTIN REEDER, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE HERE AGAIN TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS. JUST AS A QUICK RECAP, THERE WE ARE. SO, AS WE'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE ARE NO CURRENT REGULATIONS IN THE CODE. NOW, WE DO HAVE A PERMISSIVE LAND USE CODE, WHICH MEANS IF THE USE IS, UH, SPECIFICALLY NOT IN THAT CODE, IT IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED. OF COURSE, WE DO HAVE MULTIPLE, UM, HUNDREDS THAT SAID, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE CITY, DEPENDING ON WHAT DAY YOU LOOK AT THE INTERNET, AIRBNB, VRBO, ET CETERA, WHICH IS NOT ONLY A, POTENTIALLY A VIOLATION OF THE LAND USE CODE, BUT IS ALSO THE, UH, A MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP REVENUE THROUGH TRANSIT, OCCUPANCY TAX, WHICH OF COURSE IS GENERATED BY HOTEL ROOMS. WE HAVE HAD, UH, THREE DIFFERENT PROPOSALS OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO FROM, UH, LOCAL VENDORS THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO COUNT ACCURATELY THE NUMBER OF, OF SHORT TERM RENTALS OR STR IN THE CITY, AND HAVE A PROCESS WHERE THEY CAN CONTACT, YOU KNOW, NOTICE THEM TO START WITH, UH, SEND THEM NOTICES OF VIOLATION IF APPROPRIATE, AND TO BASICALLY RUN THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND ALSO DO THE TOT COLLECTION. THAT'S ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO $20,000, DEPENDING ON, UH, WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO. SO, AGAIN, THAT'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF REVENUE CAN BE GENERATED. IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE UNSURE EXACTLY HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE AT THIS POINT WITHOUT THAT, THAT FRAMEWORK FROM THOSE VENDORS TELLING US EXACTLY HOW MANY WE HAVE IN THE CITY. BUT ANY PROGRAM WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO BE, UH, WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR ITSELF. SO WE HAVE LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES IN THE, [02:15:01] IN THE COUNTY, THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT ALLOW OR HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UM, ORDINANCES. MOST OF THEM ARE BEACH CITIES, MORE AFFLUENT BEACH CITIES, WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT CLIENTELE, UH, DIFFERENT POPULATIONS THAN THE, THAN THE CITY DOES. SO WE LOOKED AT THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA AND THE CITY OF VISTA, BOTH OF WHICH BEING, YOU KNOW, ONE BEING OUR NEIGHBOR AND ONE BEING A, A SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, MAKEUP OF RENTALS VERSUS, UH, OWNERS. THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA IS A, A VERY ROBUST ORDINANCE. IT DOES HAVE A LIMITATION THAT WHOEVER HAS A SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE MUST HAVE A PRIMARY RESIDENCE IN THE CITY. THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE PROBLEMATIC ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE OF RENTERS IN THE CITY. BUT, UH, THE CITY OF VISTA HAS A MUCH MORE STREAMLINED VERSION. IF THERE WERE TO BE ANY FORM OF ORDINANCE, IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD SUGGEST A HYBRID BETWEEN THE TWO, WHICH WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS. UH, THE POINT OF THIS MEETING IS TO JUST KIND OF KICK OFF DISCUSSION. AGAIN, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN DECEMBER, UH, BUT WE DID LOOK INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND, UH, WHERE WE HAVE ATTACHED THE CHULA VISTA AND VISTA ORDINANCES, UH, FOR YOUR REVIEW, SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF HAVE, WE CAN LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE TALKING POINTS. BUT, UH, ALSO THE, THE THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT ANY FORM OF ORDINANCE PROCESS DOES REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS, AT LEAST TWO, UH, NOT INCLUDING TONIGHT. SO THERE IS, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS. WE DO HAVE COMPLAINTS RELATED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE CITY. SO THIS DISCUSSION WOULD HELP TO MITIGATE THOSE COMPLAINTS AND TO HELP THE PUBLIC, UH, HELP AND FOR THE PUBLIC TO HELP CREATE THE, UH, ORDINANCE, SHOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE, AND OF COURSE, ENHANCE THE OVERSIGHT. MOVING ON, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, SO WE, WE TALKED ABOUT A VENDOR MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, OR VENDOR MANAGE PROGRAM, RATHER. THE TOT AND LICENSING WOULD HELP TO PROVIDE INCOME TO THE CITY, AND TO ENSURE THE LICENSING PROCESS WOULD NOT BURDEN STAFF. WE WOULD ALSO WANT TO LOOK AT ZONING CONSIDERATIONS. THE TWO ORDINANCES, AND, AND MANY OF THE ONES I LOOKED AT DO LIMIT SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO RESIDENTIAL ZONES OR RESIDENTIAL, UH, YOU KNOW, EITHER SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONES. SO IT DOESN'T COUNT, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL ZONES, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THAT WOULD BE, UH, POTENTIALLY PROBLEMATIC. COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT I JUST TALKED ABOUT. AND IMPLEMENTATION TIMELINE, THAT WOULD BE A, A PHASED APPROACH. SO STARTING OUT BY HAMMERING AT THE ORDINANCE, OBVIOUSLY GETTING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. THEN, UM, GETTING NEW ESTIMATES FROM THE THREE COMPANIES THAT WE'VE REACHED OUT TO, AND DETERMINING WHAT THE APPROPRIATE COST WOULD BE AND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN FINANCIALLY TO THE CITY. SO TONIGHT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COMING UP WITH REGULATION SPECIFICS, DISCUSSING IF THAT'S EVEN AN OPTION. UH, THE SECOND TO GO AHEAD AND DRAFT AN ORDINANCE, IF THAT BE THE CASE, WHERE WE WOULD COME BACK PROBABLY IN, IN MAY AND JUNE FOR OUR FIRST AND SECOND READING. AND THEN OF COURSE, WE WOULD EVALUATE VENDORS AND THEN CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THE PROCESS AS WE MOVE ON. SO THAT'S A, A HIGH LEVEL VIEW OF, OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S, UH, THE CONCLUSION OF MY REPORT FOR NOW. OKAY. RIGHT. THAT'S, LET'S SEE, I DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ON THIS. UM, LET'S GO WITH, UH, PAUL KOWSKI, PAUL HERE, STILL. THERE HE IS, UH, TO FOLLOW, UH, TO BE FOLLOWED BY JUSTINE MESO AND THEN STACY TOMORROW. UM, YEAH, IT'S SO WEIRD THAT THERE WASN'T LIKE, VIDEO OF SEX WORKERS IN THE PRESENTATION. IT'S CRAZY. UM, I, I THINK THAT CERTAINLY REGULATION MAKES SENSE. YOU KNOW, ANOTHER REVENUE STREAM IS SMART. UM, WHEN I LOOK THROUGH THE TEXT AND THE CHULA VISTA DOCUMENT AND THE VISTA DOCUMENT, I, YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T COME ACROSS TOO MUCH TERMS OF THE RULES THAT WOULD LIKE, UH, I IMAGINE WOULD WANNA BE ESTABLISHED FOR THE FOLKS THAT OWN THOSE PROPERTIES. SO I'M CURIOUS TO SEE HOW THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT ALL SORT OF PLAYS OUT. BUT THE ISSUE OF THE SEX WORK I'M SPECIFICALLY BEING EMPHASIZED IS, IS REAL. I DON'T WANNA MINIMIZE WHAT PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING, ESPECIALLY ON THE NORTH SIDE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, BUT IF, IF WE'RE DOING LIKE, KIND OF A VALUES CLARIFICATION, THERE, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO BE CREATIVE ABOUT TRYING TO, LIKE, SUPPORT SEX WORKERS IN THE CITY. SO, OKAY. NEXT WE HAD, UH, JUSTINE AND TO BE FOLLOWED BY STACY [02:20:02] AND THEN, UH, RANDY CASTLE SALGADO. OKAY. UM, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JUSTINE MARCA. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF NATIONAL CITY ON THE SAME STREET B AVENUE IN BETWEEN 16TH AND 18TH FOR OVER HALF OF MY LIFE. SO I, UM, HAVE FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE WITH THE AT ATROCITIES AND OVERALL, UM, JUST LIKE HORRIBLE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED AS A RESULT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS TAKING OVER, WHAT IS IT, 1631 B AVENUE. IF YOU HAVE THE TIME, I IMPLORE YOU TO LOOK INTO THE POLICE ACTIVITY. LAST WEEK, I WAS WOKEN UP AT SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING BY OVER 25 GUNSHOTS. UM, THE NEXT NIGHT THERE WAS A FIGHT IN THE ALLEY BEHIND WHERE I LIVE. AND MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE YOUNG CHILDREN, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AGE, WHO ATTEND JAMES OTIS ELEMENTARY AND KIMBALL ELEMENTARY. AND AS A FIRST YEAR GRADUATE STUDENT IN THE SCHOOL PSYCHOLOGY PROGRAM AT SCSU, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT THIS HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THEIR, NOT ONLY THEIR DEVELOPMENT OVERALL, BUT THEIR ACADEMIC PERFORMANCE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, STACY TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, RANDY CASTLE SDO. THE PROBLEM WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IS THAT THESE SCUM LORDS ARE RENTING IT OUT TO SEX WORKERS. THEY'RE PIMPS. THERE'S BEEN TRAFFICKING. I'VE BEEN A WITNESS TO IT. THESE PIMP, THESE, THESE WOMEN GIRLS ARE NO, NO OLDER THAN 14 YEARS OLD. I'VE CONTACTED THE FBI, I'VE CONTACTED THE TRAFFICKING. MY GRANDCHILDREN LIVE THERE. IT IS UNSAFE. ALL OF THE MULTIPLE MEN EVERY 20 MINUTES, TRUST ME, I'VE TIMED IT. THAT WALK IN AND OUT OF THOSE BUILDINGS, THEY PAY CASH. IT ISN'T GOING THROUGH AIRBNB. THEY PAY CASH DIRECTLY TO THE MAIDS WHO TAKE IT DURING FOR VENMO. IT IS ALL THEY'RE DOING IS COLLECTING MONEY. THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON IN THESE BUILDINGS. MY GRANDSON WAKES UP EVERY MORNING AND SEES NAKED WOMEN UP AND DOWN WITH THESE NASTY MEN WHO, MY GRANDDAUGHTER, I, THEY CAN'T EVEN PLAY OUTSIDE. IT'S SO SAD. AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT RED. THANK YOU. RANDY CASTLE SALGADO. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ, FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. THE BIG ISSUE, SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE BEING MISUSED AS BROTHELS. THESE ARE FACTS, SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WHEN PROPERLY MANAGED, PROVIDE FLEXIBLE HOUSING SOLUTIONS AND INCOME OPPORTUNITIES. BUT THE LACK OF OVERSIGHT HAS CREATED LOOPHOLES THAT SOME BAD ACTORS ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF. NOW, WHILE WE ALL WANT TO TAKE ACTION, WE MUST BE CAREFUL NOT TO OVERCORRECT. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR. CITIES SHOULD NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SEIZE PRIVATE PROPERTY AS RECENTLY PROPOSED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ IN A PUBLIC VIDEO THAT WAS SHARED IN MULTIPLE FACEBOOK PAGES. THAT IS GOVERNMENT OVERREACH, AND IT SETS A DANGEROUS PRECEDENT. PUNISHING RESPONSIBLE PROPERTY OWNERS OR THREATENING TO TAKE THEIR ASSETS IS NOT THE SOLUTION. WE CAN ADDRESS THIS ISSUE WITH PRACTICAL, PRACTICAL, ENFORCEABLE P POLICIES, INCLUDING LOCAL REGISTRATION OF ALL SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WITH FULL TRANSPARENCY, REAL-TIME DATA SHARING AND MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS IN HIGH RISK ZONES, FINE SUSPENSIONS, LICENSE REVOCATIONS COMPLIANCE INSPECTIONS TRIGGERED BY COMPLAINTS OR PATTERNS OF MISUSE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS I HAVE ON THIS, MR. YES. OH, ED, COME ON UP. I DON'T HAVE ONE UNLESS IT'S MIXED UP IN, WITHIN ONE OF THE OTHER STACKS. UH, I GOT TWO COMMENTS TO MAKE. ONE IS, UH, I, I, I NEED MORE INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND THIS. I MEAN, WHAT I'M HEARING, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A PROBLEM. EVERYBODY KNOWS THEIR PROBLEM, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW SHORT TERM RENTAL, EXCUSE ME, LET THIS GET CLEARED UP. YEAH, TOUCH IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD. COULD I SET RESET THE ONE NOW MINUTE? YEAH, LET'S, LET'S DO A RESET. WE GOOD THERE? OKAY. UM, SO MY POINT IS THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE, THE, UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A PROBLEM. I UNDERSTAND IT'S A, EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S A PROBLEM, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE IS GONNA HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEM. I MEAN, I THINK THE PROBLEM'S GONNA STILL EXIST WHETHER YOU HAVE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE OR NOT. SO, I, AND I DON'T HEAR INFORMATION TO TELL ME HOW MANY SHORT RENTALS WE HAVE. I DON'T HEAR INFORMATION FROM THE POLICE. I LIKE THEIR INPUT AND WHETHER THEY THINK THE ORDINANCE WOULD HELP IN MY, I CAN'T QUESTION. SAY, [02:25:01] WELL, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE RESOURCES DEVOTED THAT MAYBE THE POLICE, THE RESOURCE SHOULD BE DEVOTED TO THE POLICE INSTEAD OF, AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FEES. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN'T GIVE A HANDLE ON WHAT THE FEE LEVEL SHOULD BE, BECAUSE I KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE COST ALLOCATION PLAN. SO, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT BY EXTENDING THESE SERVICES WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL COST IS, AND WE CAN'T CALCULATE THAT PORTION OF THE FEES TO GIVE TO THESE PEOPLE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. NOW, THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS I HAVE ON, ON 11 ONE. UM, NO, WE HAVE NOTHING ON, NOTHING ON ZOOM. NO. NOPE. OKAY. UH, OKAY. YOU WANT, YEAH. OKAY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MS. MAYOR. UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYBODY, UH, FOR COMING, UH, TO, UM, SPEAK AND PROVIDE YOUR, YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. I'M GONNA QUOTE MY HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL COACH. WE NEED TO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE. THIS ISN'T THAT HARD, THIS ISSUE. WE SHOULD HAVE MOVED ON A VERY LONG TIME AGO. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY NEW. UM, SINCE OUR OFFICERS AND OUR STAFF HAVE MOVED ON THIS ISSUE OF PROSTITUTION ON NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD AND ON ROOSEVELT, THIS NOW HAS BECOME A GLARING AND APPARENT ISSUE IN OUR COMMUNITIES. AND I HAVE HAD, UH, MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH RESIDENTS, UH, IN PERSON OVER THE PHONE, UM, UH, AND, AND OVER SOCIAL MEDIA PERTAINING TO THESE ISSUES. IT'S COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE TO LIVE NEXT TO A HOME WHERE IT IS CLEARLY A BROTHEL. AND THE FACT THAT WE AS A CITY HAVE NOT ACTED UPON THESE IS, IS, UM, REPREHENSIBLE. IT'S NOT OKAY. WE NEED TO ACT AND ACT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO, JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, UM, OUR STAFF, UH, HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS ISSUE FOR WELL OVER SIX MONTHS NOW, AND REALIZE THAT WE HAVE OVER 200, AROUND 200 SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES IN THE CITY. JUST ADVERTISE ON AIRBNB AND VRBO. THERE IS A MAP ON IT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE IT ON THE SLIDES, BUT THEY'RE REALLY KIND OF SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT THE CITY. UM, AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED OVER A DOZEN OF 'EM BEING VERY, VERY PROBLEMATIC. AND, UH, WE ALL DESERVE TO FEEL SAFE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, IN OUR COMMUNITY. UH, WE NEED TO SUPPORT RESPONSIBLE BUSINESS OWNERS BECAUSE OUR STAFF HAS HAD MEETINGS, TWO MEETINGS WITH, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS. AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, YAMANI WAS A PART OF ONE OF THEM WHERE WE INVITED COMMUNITY AND WE HAD RESPONSIBLE OWNERS COME. AND THEIR PERSPECTIVE WAS VERY DIFFERENT. AND WE LOOKED, WE LOOKED THEM UP ON AIRBNB. THEY HAD FIVE STARS ALL THE WAY. THEY MADE SURE THEY TOOK CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY, THEY RENTED RESPONSIBLY. MOST OF THEM LIVED ON SITE. SO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THOSE INDIVIDUALS. BUT TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT DO NOT RESPECT OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE VERY PUNITIVE APPROACH TOWARDS THEM. AND IF THEY DECIDE TO CONTINUE TO ACT AND BEHAVE IN SUCH A MANNER, THEN THEY SHOULD NOT BE OPERATING A LICENSE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO, I, I, I THINK I AM, I AM LISTENING TO COMMUNITIES SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, THAT THE PARTICULAR CASE OF SHOOTING LAST WEEK, THERE WAS A PARTY THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND AT THE SAME PLACE. UNACCEPTABLE. UNACCEPTABLE. SO WE NEED TO HAVE RULES WITHIN OUR CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE, UM, UH, UH, BAD BUSINESS OWNERS DO NOT OPERATE IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND I AM OPEN TO GOING AS FAR AS TO HAVE PENAL PUNITIVE PENALTIES, LIKE PUTTING LIENS ON THEIR PROPERTIES, OR HAVE THEM SELL IT OR, OR DO WHATEVER. BUT THEY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO OPERATE LIKE THIS IN OUR CITY. SO I VERY MUCH LOOK FORWARD TO A ORDINANCE BEING ADOPTED SOON. UM, ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT IT OUT, UM, POINT OUT, UH, IN THE ORDINANCE REGARDING CHULA VISTA. CAN MARTIN, MAYBE YOU COULD ANSWER ONE OF THESE, UM, QUESTIONS. IT, IT CAN AN OWNER LIVE ON SITE, CAN AN OWNER BE, UM, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THE OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE DURING, UH, EMERGENCY CALLS OR DURING ANY, UM, UH, COMPLAINTS THAT HAPPEN IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR? UH, MR. RODRIGUEZ, THE, THERE ARE, OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE MULTIPLE RULES. IT'S A, IT'S A QUITE A ROBUST ORDINANCE, THE CHULA VISTA ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE REGULATIONS RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, QUIET TIME TO NOT BEING A NUISANCE. AND THAT'S PREDICATED ON HAVING, UH, THE RESIDENT OR THE OWNER RATHER BE, UH, AVAILABLE 24 HOURS A DAY. THERE HAS TO BE A PHONE NUMBER AVAILABLE 24 HOURS A DAY IN CASE THERE IS AN ISSUE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO CALL TO REMEDY THAT SITUATION. [02:30:01] SO, I MEAN, THERE ARE MULTIPLE, THE POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION IS TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US. I'VE, I'VE HEARD TALK ABOUT THE FREQUENCY OF VISITING, FOR EXAMPLE. YOU CAN HAVE A MINIMUM STAY OF TWO NIGHTS, WHICH I THINK IS REQUIRED IN VISTA. UH, I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK MY NOTES ON THAT. BUT THERE ARE MINIMUM STAYS THAT I'VE SEEN IN OTHER SHORT TERM RENTALS. UH, WILL THAT STOP THE PROBLEM, UH, THE, UH, THE BAD ACTORS THAT'S YET TO BE SEEN, BUT IT WOULD BE ONE MORE REGULATORY, UH, ACTION THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE AGAINST THAT PROPERTY. SO THERE COULD BE A LIMITATION. FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA HAS LIMITATIONS ON HOW MANY YOU CAN HAVE. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE A PRIMARY RESIDENCE IN THE CITY, YOU CAN HAVE TWO SHORT TERM RENTALS. MM-HMM . UH, THE CITY OF VISTA ALLOWS UP TO FIVE. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO, TO CONSIDER. THAT WAY, IF THERE'S ONE PARTICULAR BAD ACTOR THAT HAS MULTIPLE, PERHAPS WE CAN CATER THAT MORE TO REDUCE THE, UH, THE EFFECT OF THAT. SO I, I, I WOULD, UM, I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS BRINGING A DISCUSSION ON HAVING SOMEBODY LIVING ON PROPERTY OR SOMEBODY AVAILABLE 24 HOURS A DAY, UM, AND DO HAVE A LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTIES THEY COULD MANAGE. UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. WE COULD DIS, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DECIDE AND DISCUSS HIS COUNSEL, BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF, UH, LIMIT, I BELIEVE. UM, HOW ABOUT THE, UH, APPLICATION ITSELF? UM, WHAT DO OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE? UH, THEY ALL HAVE A, AN APPLICATION PACKET THAT HAS, UH, REGISTRATION INFORMATION. SO THE PROPERTY OWNER, HOW LONG THEY INTEND TO RENT IT OUT. SOME CITIES TO HAVE LIMITATIONS ON THE NUMBER OF MONTHS PER YEAR THAT THEY CAN RENT IT OUT, OR THE NUMBER OF STAYS THAT THEY CAN DO. SO IT DOES HAVE, UM, PLACES TO INPUT THAT INFORMATION AND, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY BASIC ADDRESS INFORMATION AND SO FORTH. BUT ONE OF THE CRITICAL THINGS THAT MOST OF THEM HAVE IS AN AFFIDAVIT, IF YOU WILL, OR A SIGNED STATEMENT TO SAY THAT YOU WILL FOLLOW WITH THESE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS THE 24 HOUR A DAY NUMBER, SUCH AS POSTING ON SITE, THAT ANYONE THAT STAYS THERE MUST COMPLY WITH THE RULES AND REGULATIONS SUCH AS QUIET TIMES BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, AT NIGHT AND NOT ANNOY THE NEIGHBORS. AND, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER, UH, BASICALLY ANY REGULATIONS THAT WE DECIDE TO PUT ON THAT. BUT THOSE REGULATIONS MUST BE POSTED ON SITE IN ALMOST ALL CITIES THAT I'VE LOOKED AT ALL, ALL ORDINANCES THAT I'VE LOOKED AT. AND THE APPLICANT MUST RECEIVE A SIGNED COPY FROM THEIR TENANT BEFORE THEY, UH, SHOW UP. MM. AND WHAT ABOUT THE APPLICATION FEE? HOW DO THOSE VARY? UH, IT'S KIND OF ALL OVER THE MAP, TO BE HONEST. I MEAN, THE CITY OF DELMAR IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN VISTA. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO CERTAINLY, WE WOULD HAVE TO RIGHTSIZE THIS, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE FOR THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND PROCESS THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE A CRITICAL SECOND PHASE WOULD, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE, UH, AS I SAID, THE, THE VENDOR INFORMATION TO SEE WHAT THEY WOULD, WHAT THEY WOULD OFFER, WHAT THAT WOULD COST, WHAT, HOW THAT WOULD BENEFIT US, AND HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY THEY WOULD TAKE. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY GET A CUT. AND THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DETERMINE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF, UH, OF STRS IN THE CITY THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US AHEAD OF TIME. WE WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE, UH, AMONGST, WELL DISCUSS AMONGST OURSELVES WHAT THE FEE WOULD BE AT THE CITY LEVEL IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERING ALL OF OUR COSTS, ALL OF OUR STAFF COSTS AND ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. AND THEN WE CAN ROUTINELY CHECK BACK ON THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU AS WE CAN WITH ANY FEES. I, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE, UM, I KNOW A LOT OF THE OWNERS ALREADY ARE INVESTED, AND THIS ISN'T A WAY TO, UH, PUNISH THE GOOD OWNERS, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ADDITIONAL, UM, AS INVESTMENTS, RIGHT? SO IF, IF THAT MEANS THAT THE FEE, THE APPLICATION FEE WOULD BE UPWARDS OF 500 TO A THOUSAND TO $1,500, WHICH I UNDERSTAND SOME CITIES DO HAVE, I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT DISCUSSION. UM, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE, UM, UNDER OTHER POLICIES, THE CHULA VISTA ONE IN PARTICULAR, IF THE, UM, OWNER FAILS TO ADHERE TO LOCAL RULES, WHETHER IT'S NOISE, WHETHER IT IS HAVING PARTIES, WHETHER IT, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. WELL, USUALLY THERE'S A SYSTEM OF, UH, OF INSTANCES. SO FOR THE FIRST TIME, IT MIGHT BE A WARNING. SECOND TIME MAY BE A FINE, THIRD TIME IT MAY BE REVOCATION. WE CAN SET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD SOME PROBLEMATIC ONES, I THINK, AND GIVEN THAT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNICATION WITH, WITH THE GOOD ACTORS WHO ARE, UH, SHOWING THE COMMITMENTS TO, TO OPERATING APPROPRIATELY, IT MAY BE WORTH HAVING A HARD LINE OR, OR A MIDDLE OF THE ROAD LINE THAT'S REALLY UP TO, UP TO THE COUNCIL AND HOW WE CRAFT THAT. BUT I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE, THE OVERALL DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. I WOULD BE OPEN TO A VERY STERN APPROACH, ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE THAT ARE REPEAT OFFENDERS THAT ARE VERY OBVIOUSLY NOT TAKING CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY. UM, UH, AND LASTLY, I DO WANNA SAY THIS. WE, WE HAD A SERIES OF MEETINGS, UH, WITH [02:35:01] GOOD OWNERS, AND IT'S SO UNFORTUNATE THAT, UM, UH, THEIR VOICES AREN'T HERE AT THE MOMENT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GOOD OWNERS THAT TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTIES THAT GENUINELY CARE. AND SO THIS IS, THIS IS ACTUALLY INTENDED TO HELP THEM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL DISCUSSION AROUND THE CITY IS A NEGATIVE ONE THAT IMPLIES, UH, NEFARIOUS ACTIVITIES HAPPENING THERE. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THESE BUSINESSES AND LOCAL OWNERS DO WELL. AND SO I CANNOT, UM, STRESS, UH, ENOUGH THE NEED TO GO FORWARD WITH A POLICY LIKE THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER CAME FROM THE PUBLIC ON THEM SPEAK, AND THEN I'LL PICK YOU UP NEXT. UH, ADRIANA ERTA. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS ERTA, AND I AM A RESIDENT OF NATIONAL CITY FOR OVER A DECADE AND A HALF. AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ORDINANCE FOR THE CHILDREN RENTAL, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY LITTLE CHILDREN ANYMORE, MY DAUGHTERS ARE GROWNUPS, BUT I DO SEE KIDS ON SCHOOL AGE PASSING BY MY HOUSE EVERY DAY. AND I ALSO SEE THESE, UH, YOUNG LADIES THAT ARE BEING, UM, PRETTY MUCH VICTIM OF PROSTITUTION. AND I MEAN, SOMEONE, I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT SOMEONE MANAGE, MANAGE THEM, OR THEY HAVE SOMEONE WHO TAKES CARE OF THAT, UM, THAT BUSINESS. AND THEY'RE SEEM UNDERAGE AND THEY'RE MOSTLY NAKED WALKING THROUGH THE STREETS, ALTHOUGH THERE'S A PROBLEMATIC THAT IS FACING IN OTHER CITIES ALL THE TIME, MOST TIMES THEY EVEN HAVE LIKE CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THEY DO IT. BUT THE POINT HERE IS THAT NATIONAL CITY, IT IS A FAMILY ORIENTED CITY. MM-HMM . AND I DON'T SEE WHY WE HAVE TO EXPOSE OUR CHILDREN. AND EVEN AS AN, AS AN ADULT, I MEAN, IT'S VERY UNCOMFORTABLE TO SEE THAT, BECAUSE THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU. BESIDES THE CLOTHING IS JUST THE, THE AREA. SO I, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR HOUSES AND THE RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. REMEMBER IMANI? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, SITTING IN ONE OF THOSE, UH, WORKSHOP THAT, UM, OUR, UM, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAVE, UM, PRESENTED AT THE LIBRARY, UH, SOME TIME AGO, UH, OPENED MY EYES ON, UM, THE MAP THAT, UH, SHOWS, UM, MORE THAN 200, UM, IN OUR CITY OF SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE MOSTLY, UM, OWNERS THAT ARE ABSENTEES. AND SO WHEN THEY'RE ABSENTEE LANDLORDS, UM, THEY JUST CARE TO GET THE RENT, AND THAT'S IT. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY OF THE NEIGHBORS OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO I THINK THIS IS A START. AND BECAUSE AS, UH, MR. READER SAID, DIRECTOR READER SAID, UH, THERE WILL BE A WORKSHOP, UM, THAT, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT WE CAN ATTEND AND BE INFORMED ON WHAT ARE THE PROCESSES OF THIS, UM, OF THIS ORDINANCE THAT WE WILL HAVE TO CREATE. UM, WE CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS IN MAKING SURE THAT WE CLEAN UP OUR CITY, UM, FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO FLOURISH. UM, WE KNOW WE DID RECENTLY IN, IN MY DISTRICT A, UH, DRUG INFESTED PROPERTY. WHAT DID WE DO? YOU KNOW, I'M IN OUR CITY. I DID NOT STOP TEXTING OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND OUR CITY MANAGER. AND, UM, RONNIE, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FOR ALL THE REPORTS THAT I GOT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND IT, AND, UM, WE WERE VERY RESPONSIBLE FROM THE CITY WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPERTY, UM, GETS ABATED. AND, UM, NOW YOU, YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, WHAT DO WE DO RIGHT NEXT TO IT? WE DID A WATER CONSERVATION GARDEN. UM, I KNOW MR. ED, RANDY, YOU WERE THERE HELPING CLEAN UP THAT PLACE. SO WE CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS IN MAKING SURE THAT THIS UNNECESSARY ACTIVITIES THAT, UM, IRRESPONSIBLE, UM, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OR, OR, UM, UM, TENANTS, UM, ARE, UH, DOING, YOU KNOW, IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO I SUPPORT THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BASED ON THE STUDIES THAT, UM, THAT, UM, OUR STAFF WILL BRING FORTH, UM, AND WE WILL HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO IT CORRECT, AND WE DO IT RIGHT FOR OUR CITY AND FOR, UH, FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, I, I AM SORRY FOR THE RESIDENTS, THE NEIGHBORS OF, UH, B STREET. I HOPE THAT, UM, YOU WILL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, STRONGER AND MORE BRAVE TO MAKE REPORTS. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, CLICK SEE, CLICK FIX. CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVE, CALL US, CALL THE CITY [02:40:01] MANAGER. DO NOT SETTLE. DO NOT, YOU KNOW, STOP. BECAUSE WHEN YOU STOP, NOTHING HAPPENS TO IT. I DID NOT STOP REPORTING THAT HOUSE. NOW IN THAT CORNER. IT'S A VERY NICE HOUSE WITH A CONSERVATION GARDEN AND WITH LIGHTS FROM OUR CITY ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO IT'S AN, IT'S A VERY NICE CORNER NOW. SO WE DO HAVE A CAPABILITY AS LEADERS ON THIS DAES TO MAKE CHANGES FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS, UH, POTENTIAL ORDINANCE. UM, WHEN WE DO BEGIN REVIEWING AN ACTUAL ORDINANCE AND THE LANGUAGE OF AN ORDINANCE, UH, I AM INTERESTED IN, UM, PRIMARILY FOUR THINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LIMIT ON THE ALLOWANCE OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UH, PARTICULARLY AROUND HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS, PERHAPS SCHOOLS. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, NO ABSENTEE LANDLORDS, YOU KNOW, IF THE NEIGHBORS ARE GONNA SUFFER BECAUSE THERE IS A ROTATING RENTAL, UM, UH, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, THERE SHOULD BE AN, A PROPERTY OWNER PRESENT, UH, THAT CAN HELP CONTROL SOME OF THAT. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A NOTICE TO THE NEIGHBORS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FROM, UH, A PETITIONER FOR A LICENSE. UH, I THINK IT IS HIGHLY IMPORTANT FOR THE NEIGHBORS THAT WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS TO BE MADE AWARE THAT A LICENSE IS BEING SOUGHT FOR, UH, A, A ROTATION OF, OF RENTALS, OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. UM, AND LASTLY, I DO WANNA SEE A CAP ON THE NUMBER OF LICENSES ISSUED. UM, I THINK CITY OF SAN DIEGO DID A LOTTERY SYSTEM, SO, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO HANDLE IT. YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE MORE FOLKS THAT WANT LICENSES THAN WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, UM, THERE WOULD BE A ANNUAL LOTTERY TO QUALIFY. MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW THE, ALL OF THE DETAILS ON HOW SAN DIEGO CITY DOES IT. UM, I, I HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES HERE, RIGHT? UH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IMPACT TO, UH, NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. I'VE ACTUALLY RECEIVED SEVERAL CALLS FROM FOLKS THAT DON'T WANT SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON THEIR STREETS BECAUSE OF THE NUISANCE, BECAUSE OF THE ADDED, UM, COMING AND GOING OF, OF PEOPLE. THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHO THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY ARE, HOW LONG THEY'RE GONNA STICK AROUND, ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW. ARE THEY PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN TRUST, UM, I'M AFRAID. AND THEN THE PARKING SITUATION, THAT WAS THE OTHER ONE. UH, SADLY, PARKING IS JUST AN ONGOING PROBLEM. AND, UH, ADDING MORE FOLKS THAT CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, PARK IN THESE STREETS AND, AND ADD TO THE PARKING CONSTRAINT, UH, I THINK IS, IS, UM, UNNECESSARY. UH, IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO CONTROL SOME OF THAT. UM, AGAIN, THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORS, UH, I AM AFRAID MAY OUTWEIGH, UH, THE REGULATORY BENEFIT TO, UH, PROPERTY INVESTIGATIONS BY PD. I HAD A VERY THOROUGH CONVERSATION WITH CHIEF HERNANDEZ, UH, ON MONDAY REGARDING THIS SPECIFIC TOPIC, BECAUSE AS ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS MENTIONED, UM, IT SEEMED LIKE A VERY FLIMSY ARGUMENT ABOUT, UM, A SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE, UH, ACTUALLY HAVING A TRUE IMPACT ON THE PROSTI PROSTITUTION ISSUES IN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. SO, I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A LOT OF ISSUES ON ROOSEVELT, AND THERE WERE, UM, MITIGATING, UH, THINGS THAT WERE DONE TO HELP SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. WELL, NOW WE SEE THE ISSUE DIDN'T GO AWAY, IT JUST TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER LOCATION. UM, NOW IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A LICENSING PROGRAM FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UH, I'M, AND WE'RE GONNA LIMIT THE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. WHO'S TO SAY THAT OTHER PROPERTIES WON'T, YOU KNOW, FUNCTION AS THE BROTHEL THERE, THAT IS NOT AT ALL INTERESTED IN BEING CAUGHT OR BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, INVESTIGATED IN THIS AND THAT. UH, BUT THERE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THERE, IT'S, THERE STILL NEFARIOUS ACTIVITY. UM, UH, SO I HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW TRULY THIS IS GOING TO HELP THOSE PROBLEMS. AND, AND AGAIN, WEIGHING THE BALANCE OF THESE THINGS, I'M AFRAID THAT THE IMPACT TO, UM, TO THE NEIGHBORS IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE, UH, MORE PROBLEMATIC THAN THE REGULATORY BENEFIT, UH, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, CRIME INVESTIGATIONS OR PROPERTY INVESTIGATIONS COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE. UH, AND, AND, UH, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, I MEAN, PUBLIC SAFETY IS A BIG CONCERN HERE. SO, PUBLIC SAFETY IS, HAS PLUSES AND MINUSES ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS DECISION, RIGHT? UH, THAT'S [02:45:01] WHAT I'M WEIGHING ON, ON THE BALANCE HERE. UM, BUT THE ONE THING THAT, UH, TRULY DOES BOTHER ME IS, UH, POTENTIALLY HAVING HOMES REMOVED FROM THE RENTAL MARKET FOR FAMILIES THAT ARE LOOKING FOR PLACES TO RENT LONG-TERM, UH, TO, TO FORM A HOME AND HAVE A STABLE, UH, LIVING ADDRESS, RIGHT? UM, IF, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL OWNERS ARE INCENTIVIZED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A BUSINESS WHERE THEY, THEY'RE NOT RENTING TO A FAMILY THAT CAN LIVE THERE AND BUILD A FUTURE, BUT IN FACT, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST ROTATE FOLKS, UH, IN AND OUT. UM, THAT'S THE PART THAT, UH, I HAVEN'T HEARD A CONVINCING ARGUMENT, UH, WHERE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IS, UM, NOT GOING TO HARM THAT ASPECT OF THE EQUATION. SO, UH, I, I WANNA SEE WHAT COMES BACK AS FAR AS LANGUAGE FOR AN ORDINANCE. AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THESE FOUR POINTS CONSIDERED, AS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING. UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, UM, I'VE HEARD FROM MANY INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE, THAT, THAT WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS BECAUSE OF THE IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST REAL QUICK, I DON'T WANNA REPEAT EVERYTHING MY, UH, COLLEAGUES SAID, BUT I DO AGREE WITH THEM, AND I THANK YOU TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO, WHO CAME AND, AND, AND SPOKE. AND, AND I'M, I'M SORRY THAT YOU ALL HAD TO, HAD TO, HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS. AND JUST TO COUNCIL MEMBER IMAN'S POINT, UM, PLEASE GET IN COMMUNICATION AND CONTACT, UH, WITH, WITH YOUR REPRESENTATIVE, REALLY WITH ANY OF US CITY STAFF. UM, 'CAUSE WE NEED TO REPORT, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS AND, AND BE, BE PROACTIVE ON IT. SO, AND I DO APPRECIATE STAFF AND OUR, AND OUR POLICE FOR, FOR STEPPING UP ENFORCEMENT OF THIS. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, LAST THING, I'LL, I'LL SAY, 'CAUSE I DO SUPPORT THIS. I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT THE LANGUAGE, UH, LOOKS LIKE WITH THE PROPOSAL MOVING FORWARD. BUT JUST ON THE HOUSING CRISIS, THAT'S THE OTHER, UH, BIG PART. IT'S NOT JUST, UH, THE PROSTITUTION, BUT ALL THE RENT, ALL THE, ALL THE UNITS THAT ARE NOW OFF THE MARKET THAT ARE BEING USED FOR HOTELS. LIKE, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA SAID, THAT'S THE, THE, UM, THE STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT THIS IS REALLY WORSENING THE HOUSING CRISIS. AND SO, UH, AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE HOTELS WHICH ARE BE BETTER REGULATED FOR. SO I'M NOT COMPLETELY AGAINST THE SHORT TERM VACATION RENTALS, IT'S JUST THAT THEY DO CONSTRAIN OUR HOUSING. THEY MAKE OUR HOUSING CRISIS WORSE. AND I THINK THIS HAVING MORE REGULATIONS WILL, WILL SUPPORT THIS. SO I, I APPRECIATE STAFF'S, UM, AND THE COUNCIL, EVERYONE'S WORK ON THIS, AND LET'S KEEP MOVING FORWARD. I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. SORRY, CAN I ASK MY FINAL QUESTION? I SKIPPED MY HEAD, BUT, UH, MARTIN, UH, UM, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT WORK BEING DONE ON THIS, UH, AS OF SIX MONTHS AGO. BUT I UNDERSTOOD THAT ACTUALLY THIS IDEA, YOU KNOW, IS MANY YEARS OLD, I THINK BACK FROM WHEN, UM, CITY MANAGER, UH, RALSTON, UH, WAS HERE, AND THEN HE DEPARTED. SO THE IDEA WENT COLD. BUT, UH, THIS IS NOT, I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR, FOR, FOR YEARS. UH, YES. WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL INPUT. FOR ONE, I, I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND THE, AND THE, AND THE COUNCIL. UM, YES, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR MANY YEARS. IN FACT, FOR WHEN AIRBNB FIRST CAME OUT, IT WAS A BIG TOPIC OF CONVERSATION AT CONFERENCES THAT I WAS ATTENDING AT THE TIME. AND, YOU KNOW, UH, IT WAS MY OPINION THAT WE WERE GONNA SEE SOMETHING SOONER THAN LATER. BUT I THINK THE, WHAT TENDS TO HAPPEN IS, IS AT FIRST, PEOPLE WERE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN IN, IN, YOU KNOW, YOUR DELMAR, CORONADO, PLACES LIKE THAT. UM, WHERE IT WAS MORE, YOU KNOW, FOR A WHILE WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY, IT'S ONLY BEEN RECENTLY WHEN WE'VE BEEN LOOKING 'EM UP ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED TO 200 OR MORE, DEPENDING ON IF IT'S SUMMER OR IF IT'S, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, WEEKDAY. SO, UH, YEAH, I THINK WE, WE'VE CERTAINLY BEEN DISCUSSING IT FOR A WHILE. I KNOW IT WAS A, WE WERE ASKED TO COME BACK WITH A, WITH A STAFF REPORT LAST YEAR, WHICH WE DID COME BACK WITH SOME INFORMATION, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WERE, UH, WE GOT A LOT OF INPUT THERE, AND WE WERE BACK TODAY TO, TO DO THIS. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THERE'S MORE COMMENTS TO COME, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY DRAFT SOME VERY ROUGH LANGUAGE AND BRING THAT TO A WORKSHOP TYPE OF FORMAT SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS FURTHER. THANK YOU. THANKS. YES. YEAH, NO, AFTER YOU . THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DO A FOLLOW THROUGH, UH, REGULATORY BENEFIT. UM, I THINK, UH, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC BENEFIT AND WE START WITH THE 200 THAT YOU SAID WE ALREADY HAVE IN OUR CITY. SO THERE, FROM THERE, WE, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE GO AFTER THOSE 200 THAT YOU HAD SHOWN IN THAT MAP, LIKE, UH, A SICK MAP, UH, OF THE CITY WITH ALL THOSE CIRCLES, UM, THAT HA THAT ARE, UM, THAT ARE DOING, UM, [02:50:01] SHORT TERM RENTAL ALREADY. SO WE START WITH THOSE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, PLUS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CLEAN 65% OF OUR CITY IS RENTAL OWNED, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UNITS, SO WE'RE LIKE A REVOLVING DOOR, REALLY. THERE'S NO PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP, UM, OF, FOR MOST OF THOSE, UH, LANDLORDS OR THOSE TENANTS, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE DONE WITH THEIR LEASE OR RENT OR, OR YOU KNOW, THEIR CONTRACT, THEY MOVE AWAY. SO WE'RE LIKE A RE THAT'S WHY WE SAID LET'S BALANCE THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THAT HOME OWNERSHIP. SO LET'S START WITH THOSE 200 THAT YOU SAID WE HAVE, AND THEN DO THE ORDINANCE WITH THE STUDY THAT WE, WE WILL MAKE, AND THEN REALIZE SOME ECONOMIC BENEFIT OF IT, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT, UM, REGULATORY BENEFIT , I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, MR. MAYOR, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS TO ASK. IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, WHEN CAN WE EXPECT, UM, A PRESENTATION TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO, OR A DRAFT ORDINANCE TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE CITY, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR? SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION. I THINK IT'S, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT WE NEED A BIT MORE IN THE REALM OF ECONOMIC IMPACT, UH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT TO GET TO, BUT I CAN IMAGINE COMING BACK TO A, A WORKSHOP WITH A, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'LL CALL A DRAFT ORDINANCE OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT, MOST LIKELY IN, IN MAY OR JUNE, I WOULD SAY, UH, JUST TO BE, YOU KNOW, TO BE FAIR TO MY STAFF, . BUT, UH, YEAH, SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, TWO TO THREE MONTHS, MAY OR JUNE. SO NEXT MONTH OR THE FOLLOWING MONTH. YEAH, IT'S ALREADY APRIL, SO YES. YEAH, I WOULD, THAT'S GREAT. COUNCILMAN, RIGHT. HATE TO BUTT IN, BUT PROTECT STAFF A LITTLE, BUT WE GOT A LOT COMING UP ON THE AGENDA WITH BUDGET, ET CETERA. I WOULD RECOMMEND MAYBE WE PURSUE A, A, A WORKSHOP OR OUTREACH IN JUNE AND THEN GO FROM THERE. I, I JUST THINK MAY'S MAY'S ALREADY GETTING REALLY BUSY, SO MAYBE JUNE, SO WE CAN KIND OF, UH, CLEAR OUR PLATE WITH BUDGET AND OTHER ITEMS. YEAH, I, I, I CAN'T STRESS THE URGENCY ENOUGH. MM-HMM . SO HOPEFULLY ON THE EARLIER PART OF JUNE WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. UH, WOULD THIS BE ITS OWN WORKSHOP OR A WORKSHOP WITHIN A MEETING? I WOULD, I WOULD JUST SAY WE HAVE IT HERE. OKAY. YEAH. PERFECT. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. AND ALSO, ONE THING THAT, UH, MAY NOT HAVE BEEN POINTED OUT, UH, FOR THOSE, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS OPERATING WITHOUT A PERMIT IN THE OTHER ORDINANCES, ARE THERE, UM, UH, UH, PENALTIES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? THERE'S NO DISCUSSION IN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE THAT I'VE READ THAT TALK ABOUT EXISTING ONES WITHOUT LICENSING. THAT WOULD JUST BE, UM, ADDRESSED THROUGH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS, I SUPPOSE. OKAY. I, I WOULD LOVE FOR IT TO BE, UM, EXPLICIT IN THERE, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE OWNERS MAY JUST NOT HAVE A LICENSE AND THEN JUST BE OPERATING AS THEY ARE NOW. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR, UM, ON THE ORDINANCE THAT IS, UH, VERY CLEAR, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD PUT A LOT OF PEOPLE'S MINDS AT EASE. MM-HMM . GREAT. YEAH, IT WOULD BE CERTAINLY CLEAR ON, YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM RENTALS OR IF WE GO THROUGH WITH THIS, ARE ONLY PERMITTED WITH A LICENSE AND SUBJECT TO A, A, UM, YOU KNOW, RENEWAL OF THAT LICENSE AND OBVIOUSLY ABIDING BY THE RULES AND REGULATIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE REGULATING SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE CITY, SECOND MOTION TO SECOND. UM, AND THAT'S AT A WORKSHOP FORMAT, CORRECT? YEAH. WELL, YOU, YOU'RE, I THINK EVERYTHING WAS SAID THAT THAT WOULD COME BACK IN A WORKSHOP. YEAH. SO THAT WOULD BE THE DISCUSSION AT THAT POINT OF, OF WHATEVER THE ORDINANCE MIGHT, MIGHT BE LOOKING LIKE AND WHAT WOULD GO INTO IT. SO, SO IT WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST DRAFT OF AN ORDINANCE, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IT WOULD BE A WORKSHOP DISCUSSION. MM-HMM . I THINK IT WOULD BE, I CAN BRING, I CAN CERTAINLY BRING A DRAFT ORDINANCE, UH, BUT I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF INPUT STILL LEFT TO BE HAD. RIGHT. AND I WOULD, BUT WE CAN DO A STAFF REPORT. YEAH. YEAH. WE COULD DO, I MEAN, I CAN DO IT HOWEVER YOU LIKE, BUT I CAN DO A STAFF REPORT IF YOU LIKE, BRINGING THAT FORWARD. OKAY. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. MM-HMM . YEAH. I, I CAN'T STRESS THE URGENCY OF THE MATTER, SO HOPEFULLY WE ARE ABLE TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE IF POSSIBLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, YEAH, A FEW THINGS. THE, UH, OKAY. RIGHT NOW, IF YOU RENT OUT A ROOM IN YOUR HOUSE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU HAVE TO GET A PERMIT, DO YOU NOT? NO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET A RENTAL PERMIT. NO. THAT'S, IF YOU OWN A HOME AND YOU RENT OUT THE HOME, YOU, YOU HAVE TO GET A, A, UH, A RENTAL, RESIDENTIAL RENTAL LICENSE. BUT, UH, OKAY. I MEAN, THEY ARE, YEAH, IF YOU'RE RENTING OUT AND MAKING MONEY, THAT SHOULD BE THE CASE, BUT I'M ACTUALLY NOT COMPLETELY FAMILIAR WITH THAT. OKAY. BECAUSE, YEAH. 'CAUSE I KNOW BEFORE WE WERE DRESSING ROOM RENTALS, THINGS ALONG THAT LINE. YEAH. THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING DISCUSSION FOR A LONG TIME. FOR A LONG TIME WE HAD VERY, VERY FEW AIRBNBS IN NATIONAL CITY, AND THEY WERE MORE IN THE COASTAL AREAS, SOME [02:55:01] OF THOSE TYPE OF COMMUNITIES. UM, RECENTLY THERE'S BEEN A REAL PROBLEM WITH THEM, PARTICULARLY, AND LET'S JUST NOT SUGARCOAT IT WITH THE PROSTITUTION PROBLEM. AND, UH, AND I KNOW THE POLICE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY ON THIS, TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER MATERIAL, EVERYTHING ELSE TO BRING NOT ONLY THIS ORDINANCE TOGETHER, UH, AND, AND ORDINANCE LIKE THIS TOGETHER, BUT ALSO A MORE COMPREHENSIVE THING TO DEAL WITH THE WHOLE PROSTITUTION ISSUE AND, AND THINGS ALONG THIS LINE THAT ARE BEING DEALT WITH. AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE TO BE COMMENDED FOR, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WORK THAT THEY'VE ALREADY PUT INTO THIS. AND, AND I KNOW, AND WANTING TO, TO PUSH THIS THING FORWARD, UM, AT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE SAME TIME, I KNOW WHEN, IN 23, UH, WHEN WE HAD THE BIG EXPLOSION OF, OF PROSTITUTION NOT ONLY HERE, BUT ALL UP AND DOWN THE STATE AS A RESULT OF A, UH, SENATOR SCOTT WIENER'S, UH, SB UH, 3 57 BILL THAT BASICALLY LEGALIZED, UH, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSE, UH, PROSTITUTION AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND IT WENT RAMPANT HERE. AND, UM, AND I KNOW AT THE TIME, UH, I SPOKE OUT AGAINST IT AND WE, UM, REALLY STARTED TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, TO SAY, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE PROACTIVELY DO ABOUT THIS? AND WE JUST CAN'T, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE PASSED A, UH, A LAW UP IN SACRAMENTO, WE'RE NOT, CAN'T ALLOW OUR COMMUNITY TO, TO GO TO CRAZY. AND WE STARTED FINDING WAYS TO ADDRESS IT. POLICE WORKED VERY EFFECTIVELY, UH, PUBLIC WORKS. DID EVERYONE PULL TOGETHER? UM, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I GOT ADMONISHED IN THIS CHAMBER AT THAT TIME, UH, FOR BRINGING UP THE ISSUE, MUCH LESS TRYING TO DEAL WITH IT. UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO, BUT NOW WE'RE BRINGING, BRINGING THIS FORWARD, EVEN THOUGH THE POLICE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT TO BRING, BRING IT AS FAR AS PART OF A LARGER PACKAGE. AND BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY ONE THING IS GONNA GONNA HANDLE THIS THING. WE GOTTA APPROACH THIS THING FROM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, UH, DIRECTIONS AT ONE TIME. AND SO THIS IS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD NOW, AND, AND I APPRECIATE IT BEING PUT ON THE AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN, UH, DO THIS AND, UH, AND SO THAT IT CAN BE ADDRESSED. AND THE DEAL IS, I AGREE WITH YOU, UM, AND I, I KNOW HOW YOU GUYS ARE FEELING THERE WOULDN'T WANNA WAIT TILL JUNE AND THEN REALIZING YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH A LONG PROCESS TO GET AN ORDINANCE TOGETHER AND GO THROUGH THE HEARINGS, EVERYTHING ELSE BEFORE IT FINALLY HAPPENS. AND SO I CERTAINLY THINK THAT WE CAN WORK IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AREAS, WHETHER IF IT IS CODE ENFORCEMENT, WHETHER IT'S POLICE ACTION ON THESE AREAS THAT WE KNOW ARE THESE, THESE HOTSPOTS FOR SOME OF THESE BMBS THAT ARE BEING OVERLY ADDRESSED. AND, UH, BUT I SAY I APPRECIATE THAT IT'S BEING PUT ON THE AGENDA NOW SO THAT WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD AND, YOU KNOW, AND EVEN SOME VIDEOS PUT TOGETHER AND WE'RE PUT OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND EVERYTHING. AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT COUNCILMAN RODRIGUEZ DID THAT. AND, UH, UH, BUT ALSO HE WAS THE ONE WHO ADMONISHED ME FOR BRINGING UP THE PROSTITUTION PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO I'M GLAD HE FINALLY SAW THE LIGHT AND THAT WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER ON THIS THING BECAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE, IT'S GONNA TAKE MULTIPLE, UH, MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS TO GO AFTER THIS PROBLEM THAT THE STATE HAS PUT UPON US. AND, UH, AND AS I SAY, BUT IT'S NOT, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOUR BLOCK THERE, THE 1600 BLOCK OF B AVENUE HAS BEEN HIT VERY HARD. THERE'S SOME OTHER AREAS, UH, FARTHER UP ON, UH, FOURTH AND, UH, FIFTH AREA AND E AVENUE THAT ARE HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM. AND WE GOTTA ADDRESS ALL OF THESE, NOT JUST ONE. AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAD THE BIG PROBLEM WITH THE SHOOTOUT LAST WEEK. UH, THOSE THINGS WERE INEXCUSABLE. ALL THIS HAS BEEN INEXCUSABLE. BUT AS A COMMUNITY, WE GOTTA COME TOGETHER AND WORK FROM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ANGLES TO ADDRESS ALL OF THIS. SO, UH, SO I WOULD HOPE THAT WHILE WE HAVE A WORKSHOP COULD BE PLANNED FOR POSSIBLY JUNE, THAT WE START DOING EVERYTHING THAT'S ALREADY WITHIN OUR POWER TO ADDRESS THESE, THESE ISSUES DIRECTLY. MUCH AS WHAT WE DID WITH ROOSEVELT AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. WE DID A LOT OF EXTRAORDINARY ACTIVITIES TO GET THAT UNDER CONTROL. AND NOW WE NEED TO GET, GET THIS UNDER CONTROL ALSO. SO, THANK YOU MS. MAYOR. MOTION A SECOND. SECOND. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST, UH, JUST, I JUST CANNOT HELP MYSELF AT TIMES. UM, IT'S IMPERATIVE WE MOVE THIS FORWARD AND IT'S IMPERATIVE. WE PROVIDE OUR OFFICERS AND OUR, UH, INDIVIDUAL CODE ENFORCEMENTS WITH EVERY AVAILABLE TOOL TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PRACTICES STOP IN OUR CITY. IT'S COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE. AND, UM, IT'S TIME TO STOP POINTING FINGERS AT SACRAMENTO, AND IT'S TIME TO DO SOMETHING LOCALLY. SO LET'S, LET'S GET THIS DONE. LET'S STOP, LET'S QUIT STALLING. OKAY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S STALLING, AND WE ALL SAY WE WANT, NEED TO DO THESE THINGS, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE WE DO IT AS A FULL PACKAGE. HEY, YOU ARE DOING GOOD. SO LET'S, UH, CALL THE VOTE. I KNOW. YEAH, LET'S VOTE. SAY I WAS GETTING READY TO DO JUST THAT. GOT MY FINGER ON THE BUTTON, FOLKS. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. [03:00:03] MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT. UH, WE NEED TO GO BACK [10.4 Public Hearing and Introduction of an Ordinance Amending National City Municipal Code Title 11, Section 11.32.140, Pertaining to Stopping and Parking Prohibitions. (Part 2 of 2)] ON 10.4. I WAS INFORMED THAT WE DID MAKE A MOTION A SECOND AND WE VOTED ON CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE DIDN'T DO A MOTION AND A SECOND MOTION TO ACTUALLY INTRODUCE THE, UH, THE ORDINANCE. SO I'M GONNA GO BACK TO 10.4 BEFORE WE GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. AND IF WE COULD, UH, YOU, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A MOTION? YES. YEAH, A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. THIS IS TO IMPROVE ON 10.4 TO APPROVE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE ORDINANCE ON 10.4. SEE NO OTHER DISCUSSION. OKAY. UH, WAS THE SECOND ON THAT ONE? I DID. IT WON'T DO IT. WELL, IT'S GOT YOU DOWN AS THE MOTION MAKER. OH, SORRY. SORRY. VICE. I'M SORRY. ONE SECOND. OKAY. DO IT, DO IT AGAIN NOW. YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. NEXT. UH, NEXT. WE'RE GOTTA GO OUT FOR INTERVIEWS. OKAY. UM, YOU WANT NO, YOU, NO, ALL YOU DO A BREAK IF YOU WANT. BOTH CAN GO OUT THERE. NO. OKAY. I, YEAH, I SAY LET'S JUST GO ON . UM, NO RESTROOM, MAYOR. OKAY. WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO MAKE A QUICK RESTROOM BREAK. WELL, YOU'RE GONNA NEED FIVE MINUTES BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE RESTROOM IN THERE. AND THE LINE FORMS QUICKLY HERE. THERE'S PLENTY OF OKAY. FIVE MINUTES. FIVE MINUTES AND THEN WE'LL GET, GET TO THE REST OF THE AGENDA. OKAY. I THINK I GOT 'EM ALL SET. THERE WE GO. ALRIGHT, WE GOT, UH, WE GOT EVERYONE. YEAH, WE GOT EVERYONE UP HERE. OKAY, GOOD. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING BACK IN SESSION A SILENT ROLL CALL WITH ALL MEMBERS PRESENT AT THE DAIS. UM, NEXT WE, [11.2 Staff Report Describing the Discretionary Application Process for the Sweetwater Gas Station Project.] UH, GO INTO 11.2. THIS IS A STAFF REPORT DESCRIBING THE DISCRETIONARY APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THE SWEETWATER GAS STATION PROJECT. WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO HAVE, UH, I BELIEVE STAFF HAS A PRESENTATION. THANK YOU AGAIN. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL STAFF PUBLIC, MARTIN REEDER, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. I'VE BEEN ASKED TO BRING THIS STAFF REPORT TO YOU TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL, UH, DISCRETIONARY APPLICATION PROCESS, BUT ALSO IN PARTICULAR REGARDING A, A RECENT PLANNING COMMISSION DENIAL, UH, FROM DECEMBER, THIS CLICKER IS, THERE WE GO. SO IN, IN PARTICULAR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY ON SWEETWATER ROAD BETWEEN OLIVE AND ORANGE STREETS. IT'S FIVE LOTS. BACK IN 2018, I BELIEVE WE ANNEXED THREE OF THOSE PROPERTIES INTO THE CITY. THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY IN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S THREE AND 2, 2, 2 IN THE CITY. THREE WERE, WERE ANNEXED, I BELIEVE, BUT, OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND. BUT IT, IT'S ALL OWNED BY THE SAME OWNER. UH, SINCE THAT TIME. THERE WAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WAS APPLIED FOR AFTER THE ANNEXATION HAPPENED, WHICH ALSO INCLUDED A REZONE FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH COFFEE SHOP THAT PERMIT EXPIRED. IT WAS REAPPLIED FOR AND EXPIRED AGAIN. AND THEN, UH, WE HAD A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR A GAS STATION, A CONVENIENCE STORE, CAR WASH DRIVE THROUGH, UM, DRIVE THROUGH RETAIL BUSINESS, AND ALSO INCLUDED, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE GAS STATION, BUT THE, UH, IT INCLUDED SOME UNITS ABOVE THE COMMERCIAL COMPONENT THAT WAS NOT SUBJECT TO THE, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. UM, THERE'S KIND OF A LOT TO TALK ABOUT, SO I'LL JUST GO AND GO THROUGH THE THE TIMELINE TO START WITH. SO WITH THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, IT WAS APPLIED FOR IN APRIL OF 2024. THE STAFF SPEND ABOUT A MONTH REVIEWING THE PROJECT, AND THEN WE PROVIDED WHAT WE CALL AN INCOMPLETE LETTER, WHICH IS A, A FORMAL LETTER THAT THE APPLICANT GETS FROM STAFF TO TELL THEM ANY OUTSTANDING ISSUES THAT THEY MAY NEED, OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED, MAY NEED IN ORDER FOR US TO PROCESS THE PROJECT. SO THAT WAS PROVIDED, UM, IN MAY OF 20, ABOUT A MONTH LATER, 30 DAYS LATER, PER GOVERNMENT CODE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO DETERMINE AN APPLICATION COMPLETE OR INCOMPLETE WITHIN 30 DAYS. THE APPLICANT RESUBMITTED TO THE CITY IN JULY, AND AGAIN, WE DETERMINED THAT IT WAS INCOMPLETE IN AUGUST. THE PRIMARY REASON BEING THAT WE WERE STILL WAITING FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY. A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS PROVIDED TO THE CITY IN NOVEMBER, AND WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH THE APPLICANT [03:05:01] AND WE, UH, WE, UM, ENDED UP WITH ALL COMMENTS ADDRESSED. THE, UH, THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS AMENABLE TO STAFF, AND WE SCHEDULED THE ITEM FOR A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT WAS INITIALLY SUPPOSED TO BE NOVEMBER 18TH TO 2024. SORRY FOR THAT TYPO THERE. UH, BECAUSE IT WAS GETTING TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, WE WERE MOVING PRETTY FAST TO GET ALL OF OUR CURRENT, UM, DISCRETIONARY PERMITS KIND OF MOVE IN SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD GET APPROVED OR AT LEAST TO A POINT WHERE THEY WERE, COULD POTENTIALLY BE APPROVED OR A DECISION MADE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. WE WERE AHEAD OF THE GUN A LITTLE ON THIS, AND, UH, WE KIND OF RUN OUT OF TIME. WE DID SEND THE PUBLIC NOTICE OUT, WHICH IS REQUIRED 10 DAYS AHEAD OF TIME. HOWEVER, NOT ALL STAFF, ESPECIALLY LEGAL STAFF, WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE, UM, ANALYSIS OF, OF THE STAFF REPORT. THERE WAS STILL A FEW THINGS WE NEEDED TO DISCUSS, SO UNFORTUNATELY IT WASN'T READY TO MOVE FORWARD. HOWEVER, THE MEETING HAD BEEN SCHEDULED, WE DID GO AHEAD AND HOLD THAT MEETING, AND WE DID SOLICIT, WE DID SOLICIT, UH, PUBLIC OPINION OR PUBLIC COMMENT, RATHER FROM I BELIEVE 11 PEOPLE MOST SPEAKING WITH CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT. BUT AFTER THAT, THOSE COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED. THE MEETING WAS CONTINUED TO A SUBSEQUENT MEETING, UH, IN ORDER TO BE HEARD, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH APPROPRIATE STAFF REPORTS AND ANALYSIS DONE. SO THAT DID HAPPEN. UH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS DECEMBER 2ND, SECOND DECEMBER 2ND, I THINK. UM, SO WE DID COME BACK IN DECEMBER 2ND. AGAIN, WE HAD A ROBUST, UH, DISCUSSION WITH THE PUBLIC. ULTIMATELY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DETERMINED THAT THIS WAS NOT AN APPROPRIATE PROJECT FOR THIS AREA AND DENIED THE PROJECT. SO THERE WAS A RESOLUTION OF DENIAL THAT WAS SENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR A NOTICE OF DECISION. WITH ALL CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, ONCE A PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES A DECISION, A NOTICE OF THAT DECISION GOES TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE CITY COUNCIL THEN HAS TWO OPTIONS. ONE, EITHER TO FILE THE NOTICE OF DECISION, WHICH WOULD UPHOLD WHATEVER DECISION THE PLANNING COMMISSION MADE. SO IF THEY VOTED TO APPROVE, IT WOULD BE APPROVED. IN THIS CASE, THEY VOTED TO DENY THE PROJECT, THEREFORE IT WOULD'VE BEEN DENIED. THE OTHER OPTION OR SERIES OF OPTIONS WOULD INVOLVE SETTING THE ITEM FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, A DE NOVO PUBLIC HEARING, OR ANOTHER NEW PUBLIC HEARING THAT COULD EITHER BE DONE AT THE BEHEST OF THE CITY COUNCIL. IF THEY WANTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO DISCUSS MORE COMMENTS, OR IF THEY WANTED TO, UM, DISCUSS WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD TO SAY, ANY NUMBER OF ANALYSES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE AT A NEW PUBLIC HEARING. ALSO, THE APPLICANT IS PERMITTED TO FILE AN APPEAL BETWEEN THE NOTICE OF DECISION OR THE, THE DECISION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE NOTICE OF DECISION STAYS AT CITY COUNCIL. PAYING THAT FEE AUTOMATICALLY GUARANTEES THEM A PUBLIC HEARING, IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD COME BACK. UH, IN THIS CASE, UH, WE DID SET THAT THE DECISION FOR DECEMBER 10TH, WHICH WAS APPROXIMATELY EIGHT DAYS AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, DECEMBER 10TH, HAPPENED TO BE A SPECIAL MEETING THAT WAS HELD IN ORDER TO, UH, CERTIFY THE ELECTION RESULTS. 'CAUSE WE WERE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, ANY OTHER REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS THE REST OF THE YEAR. THE STAFF PUT THE NOTICE OF DECISION ON THE AGENDA IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT DECISION, OR THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS DETERMINED BEFORE GOING ON THE CHRISTMAS BREAK. UH, THE APPLICANT, AS WITH A LOT OF DEVELOPERS, WAS, UH, UNDER TIME CONSTRAINTS. AND SO WE WERE MOVING AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD WITH WHAT WE HAD AND SUBJECT TO THE APPROPRIATE ANALYSIS AND DECISION MAKING. UM, OBVIOUSLY AS I'VE MENTIONED TWICE ALREADY, THERE WAS A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT AT BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS. UH, STAFF GOT A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. AND DUE TO, UH, DUE TO THAT, WE DID SPEAK WITH THE APPLICANT TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT THEIR OPTIONS WERE. AND, UH, WE MAINTAINED, AS WE HAD ACTUALLY SAID FROM THE BEGINNING, THAT THIS WAS A, A VERY COMPLEX PROJECT. THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON, AND WE, YOU KNOW, HAD OUR OWN OPINIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT ULTIMATELY, THE APPLICANT DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION AND PURSUE SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND OR SMALLER. SO THEY WITHDREW ON THE DECEMBER 10TH, WHICH WAS THE SAME DAY THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WAS INTENDED TO HAPPEN. SO, UH, BECAUSE IT WAS A NOTE OF DEC NOTICE OF DECISION ON NOT A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA AS NO DECISION WOULD BE ABLE TO BE MADE THAT EVENING. SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST KIND OF A, A ROUGH IDEA OF HOW THE DISCRETIONARY PERMIT PROCESS [03:10:01] WORKS. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, THINGS GOING ON. WE TAKE IN THE APPLICATION, WE MAKE SURE IT'S COMPLETE, IT GOES TO THE COMMISSION, GOES TO COUNCIL, UH, COUNSEL EITHER FILES A NOTICE OF DECISION OR THEY HOLD IT OVER AND MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, IF IT'S APPROVED, THEN THE POST-APPROVAL STAGE KICKS IN WHERE THE OBVIOUSLY BUILDING PERMITS AND SO FORTH IN ORDER TO GET IMPLEMENTATION. IN THIS CASE, THERE WAS AN A, B, C COMPONENT THAT'D BE THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROLS WITH THE STATE. SO THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL, UH, STEPS FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH IN THAT, IN THAT REGARD. SO IT WAS A FAIRLY STANDARD, UH, PROCESSING. UM, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, UH, TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY FROM FROM THE COUNCIL. SO I'LL, I THINK I'LL STOP THERE AND, AND, AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, UH, DIRECT CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS. OTHERWISE, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS AND WE'LL HEAR THEM. BUT SPEAKERS, HUH? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT DID YOU WANNA DO SPEAKERS FIRST? PROBABLY BE BETTER TO LET, LET'S GO THROUGH THE SPEAKERS AND, UH, THEN WE WILL COME BACK AND GO FROM THERE. OKAY. UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE MICHAEL LEGI BE FOLLOWED BY FRANK RIVERA, BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MIKEL POLANCO. MAYOR, DID YOU MEET WITH THE APPLICANTS ON APRIL THE 24TH? I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE DATE. AND YOU DID MEET WITH THEM? I DO BE, THERE WAS, I HAD TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS WITH THEM ALONG WITH RU WITH STAFF. SO THE REASON YOU CAN'T COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE REASON THAT YOU CAN'T ACCEPT THIS REPORT AS WRITTEN IS BECAUSE THE STAFF TOLD THE APPLICANT THAT IT HAD TO BE REDUCED IN SIZE. THEY THEN MET WITH THE MAYOR, AND AFTER THAT, THE STAFF THEN CHANGED. AND WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS, YOU SEE HERE, THIS IS A PICTURE OF YOUR ASSISTANT MEETING WITH THE MR, UH, READER ON MARCH THE 18TH WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS. SHE TOOK HIM OUT AND WENT INTO THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND MET BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND UNTIL WE GET ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS, IT'S PREMATURE. WE HAVE TO TAKE THE MAYOR'S DEPOSITION BECAUSE HE WON'T COME CLEAN. WE HAVE TO TAKE THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT, HIS ASSISTANCE DEPOSITION. THANK YOU. OKAY. BUT I, I AM GONNA ASK YOU A QUESTION. WHAT WERE THEY TALKING ABOUT THERE? THAT'S WHAT I WANNA KNOW. OKAY. WELL, I CAN TELL YOU. WELL, YOU OKAY? WAIT A MINUTE, I'M TALKING NOW. I CAN TELL YOU, BECAUSE IMMEDIATELY AFTER YOU RAN UP AND TOOK THEIR PICTURES, AS THEY WERE WALKING IN THE HALLWAY, UHHUH, I GOT A CALL FROM, UH, FROM MRS. FLORES CLARK REPORTING TO ME AS HER, UH, SUPERIOR, SAYING THAT YOU HAD RAN UP WHILE THE TWO OF THEM WERE TALKING AND TOOK A PICTURE. I IMMEDIATELY CALLED THE CITY MANAGER TO REPORT IT TO HIM. TROUBLE IS I GOT BEAT BECAUSE THE PLANNING DIRECTOR HAD ALREADY CALLED HIM TO REPORT IT, BECAUSE THAT DAY, A LADY HERE IN NATIONAL CITY THAT HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT AN A DU CALLED THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, IT WAS ANSWERED BY HER, WAIT A MINUTE, WAS ANSWERED BY HER. AND SO SHE ASKED HIM, WHO SHOULD SHE, WHO SHOULD SHE REFER THAT LADY TO? AND HE SAID, GIVE THEM MY NUMBER. AND I WE'LL TALK. I SHOWED YOU THE PICTURE. I SHOWED YOU THE PICTURE TO SHOW YOU THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT WE THINK HAPPENED BETWEEN APRIL THE 20 SE, APRIL THE 29TH, AND THE TIME THAT THEY ISSUED THEIR FINAL REPORT, CHANGING THEIR ENTIRE POSITION. THAT HAD NO, THAT HAS, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT HAD HAPPENED. WHAT THIS KIND OF SNEAKING BACK BEHIND THAT, THAT SHE WAS, THAT SHE WAS OKAY, THAT SHE WAS DOING HER JOB. EXCUSE ME. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. EXCUSE ME. THIS IS, WHAT WE'RE WE, WE YOU'RE OUTTA ORDER? YES. NO, I'M NOT OUTTA ORDER. MAYOR, YES YOU ARE. NO, YOU'RE OUTTA ORDER. OUTTA ORDER. YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER. YOU'VE HAD YOUR, YOUR MINUTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE REST OF THE SPEAKERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. YOU'VE HAD YOUR MIN DEPOSITION. ALRIGHT. OKAY, GOOD. NEXT WE HAVE FRANK RIVERA. GOOD EVENING. THE STAFF REPORT, UM, SHOULD NOT BE FILED TONIGHT. THERE ARE STILL UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THAT, UH, NEED TO BE ANSWERED. PLEASE POSTPONE ACTION TONIGHT. FIRST, THE STAFF REPORT ADMITS THAT COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE GUIDELINES WAS NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF OVERDEVELOPMENT. SECOND, AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING WAS DENIED, UH, THE PROJECT WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT THE MEETING, BUT BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED, THE MAYOR SAID THAT THE ITEM WOULD BE PULLED FROM THE AGENDA. HOWEVER, THE MEETING MINUTES DO NOT REFLECT THAT ACTION. WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE NOTICE OF DECISION AND THE [03:15:01] PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION DENYING THE PROJECT? WHEN DOES THIS HAPPEN? HAS THIS BEEN EXECUTED? HAS THE COUNCIL FILED THE NOTICE OF DECISION OR WILL THEY, WHERE IS THE WRITTEN RECORD THAT THE APPLICANT WITHDREW THE PROJECT? LASTLY, IN TONIGHT'S REPORT, HOW IS IT THAT PART OF THE PRE-SUBMIT IN JANUARY, IT HAS SUBMITTED THAT STAFF WANTED THE APPLICANT TO CHANGE THE PROJECT IN SCOPE, BUT IN STAFF'S REPORT, AT THE END OF THE YEAR, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A REPORT THAT SUBSTANTIALLY NEVER CHANGED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE, UH, MICHALA POLANCO, FOLLOWED BY LUISA MCCARTHY, THE IMPROPER, THE IMPROPER AND UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR OF THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT TO ASK ME FOR THE $7,000 AT THIS. AT THE SAME TIME, THE GAS PRO PROJECT IS UNDER CONSIDERATION IS APPALLING AND DISGUSTING. YOU KNOW, NOW THAT THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT ASKED ME TO GIVE HER 7,000 OUT OF THE $15,049, THE EMPLOYER WAS TO PAY FOR CEMETERY AND FUNERAL ARRANGEMENTS. I HAD TO RETAIN AN ATTORNEY BECAUSE, UH, IT SEEMED LIKE AN UNETHICAL KICKBACK. THE ATTORNEY CALLED HER TO SAY, NO, I WILL NOT DO THAT. I WILL NOT GIVE HER THE $7,000. THE MAYOR, WHATEVER COMMENT IN THE LAST SESSION, JUST PROVES HOW THE MAYOR ENABLES DISMISSES HER UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR. THIS IS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY WITH ANOTHER LAWSUIT. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO CLEAR ALL THE MISREPRESENTATIONS YOU HAVE BEEN HEARING FROM THE MAYOR AND HIS ASSISTANT. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. LOUISE MCCARTHY TO BE FOLLOWED BY MARIA SEVERSON. I IS SWEETWATER ROAD, MARIA SEVERSON TO BE FOLLOWED BY MARTHA HERNANDEZ. MAY WE NEED THE TRANSLATION? OKAY. YES. DO WE HAVE TRANSLATORS STILL THERE NECESSARILY? MY APOLOGIES. I WAS WAITING FOR THE INTERPRETATION TO BE, UH, PAUSED AND GOOD EVENING. THERE'S CONFUSION AND WE'RE GOING TO CLEAR IT UP TODAY. AS FAR AS AN APPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR BY THE MAYOR AND HIS ASSISTANT ASKING FOR $7,000 OUTTA THE 15,000 FOR THE COMPANY WHERE HER NEPHEW WAS WORKING FOR FUNERAL PAYMENTS. ALL THIS AT THE SAME TIME AS THE MASS CONSTRUCTION THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED FOR THE FUTURE, THAT PROJECT IS NOT DEAD. IT'S BETWEEN ORANGE STREET AND SWEETWATER ROAD. I HAD TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE, UH, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE UNDERSTOOD AS AN ILLEGAL BRIBERY. MY ATTORNEY THEN CALLED TO SAY THAT I WILL NOT BE DOING THAT. I WILL NOT BE GIVING HER THOSE $7,000. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY THIS. UH, THIS IS, UH, WAS A DECEITFUL DESCRIPTION BY THE MAYOR AND HIS ASSISTANT. ENOUGH. ALRIGHT, UH, MARIA SEVERSON, THANK YOU, FOLLOWED BY MARTHA HERNANDEZ. YESTERDAY, 12 CITIZENS CAME TOGETHER AND ANSWERED 25 QUESTIONS IN A LAWSUIT ABOUT THE CONDUCT OF HOW NATIONAL CITY IS CONDUCTED. SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THEY ANSWERED, WHICH WERE ALL YES, BY THE WAY, WAS, DID NATIONAL CITY FAIL TO TAKE REASONABLE STEPS, FAIL TO PREVENT CERTAIN UNLAWFUL CONDUCT? THERE'S A THEME HOW THE CITIES RUN GAS STATION PROJECT. NOW WE HAVE THIS REPORT, NOTHING TO SEE HERE. THE STAFF REPORT THOUGH, ADMITTED THAT IT WAS A VERY COMPLEX PROJECT [03:20:01] AND THAT THE DEVELOPER SHOULD CONSIDER A REDUCED PROJECT, BUT YET THE DEVELOPER CHOSE TO PURSUE IT AS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. WHY? WHY DID THE DEVELOPER FEEL HE HAD IT IN THE BAG? DID THE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT AND THEIR TEXTS AND MEETINGS, IS THAT WHAT CHANGED IT? WHO DID HE MEET WITH? WHEN DID HE MEET? DON'T FAIL TO TAKE REASONABLE STEPS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. TO PREVENT LAWFUL CONDUCT AND LAWFUL CONDUCT, MARTHA HERNANDEZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY SANDRA SCHULER. GOOD EVENING. WITH, WITH ALL MY RESPECT, MS. UH, MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, TO THE MAYOR, AND WE WOULD LIKE AN ANSWER IF IT'S POSSIBLE. AFTER THE PROJECT WAS DENIED, DID YOU MEET WITH A PROJECT DEVELOPER AND THEN IT WAS RECOMMENDED? UH, THAT'S ONE QUESTION. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THIS. THE NEW OWNER THAT HAS, UM, A PROJECT THAT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR THIS SMALL CORNER ON ORANGE AND SWEETWATER ROAD, THE NEW OWNER IS NOT, UH, CONSIDERING HE'S NOT, UM, UH, WHAT IS PRUDENT, UH, HE IS NOT THINKING OF THE POTENTIAL HARM THAT IS GOING TO CAUSE TO THIS CEMETERY THAT IS ALREADY NAMED A HISTORICAL SITE, UM, RECOGNIZED OF, UH, BY FAMILIES LIKE CHASE FAMILIES, UM, KIMBALL FAMILY, UM, THAT IT WAS BUILT. I I GUESS IT'S WAS BUILT IN THE 1820S, I GUESS, BEFORE THE NATIONAL CITY, UM, HALL. UM, THAT'S ONE THING THAT I'VE NOTICED, UH, RIGHT NOW, AND IT IS NOT OKAY. THAT ONE BUYER DESTROYS A WHOLE ROAD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND I HOPE LORD HAS MERCY US. OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, SANDRA SCHULER TO BE FOLLOWED BY DOYLE MORRISON. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, MY NAME IS SANDRA SCHELLER SCHELLER. I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. IT MEANS BELL RINGER IN GERMAN. YOU KNOW, LIKE I RING THE BELL IN MY HEAD. ALL RIGHT. I REALLY MISS THE OLD DAYS. I JUST, I JUST GOTTA TELL YOU THAT I, I REALLY DO, BECAUSE WE USED TO BE ONE HAPPY FAMILY BEFORE ALL THIS CAME UP. AND I JUST THINK HOW JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO WE WERE, YOU KNOW, DIO DE LOS MUTOS AND HAVING FUN AND ALL THIS GOOD STUFF. I REALLY HOPE WE CAN JUST TAKE A STEP BACK. IF WE COULD JUST ALL LOOK AT THINGS AND APOLOGIZE AND REMEMBER, LOOK WHAT STANDS BEHIND YOU, 1887. YOU KNOW, LOOK AT, LOOK AT THE HILL. YOU KNOW, I, I CALL IT THE SILENT HILL. IT'S LIKE 1868. CAN WE JUST GET A STEP BACK AND REALIZE THE PROPERTY THAT'S THERE? SO THE QUESTION IS, THE PROPERTY WAS DENIED. DID YOU MEET WITH THE PROPERTY DEVELOPER? AND THEN WAS IT RECOMMENDED? AND I REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN JUST GET BACK TO WHERE WE WERE, WHERE WE'RE JUST ONE BIG HAPPY FAMILY IN. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, DOYLE MORRISON TO BE FOLLOWED BY ALICIA MORRISON. HELLO. I, UH, WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT THE CANNABIS THING GOT A NEW ENLIGHTENMENT TO ME. THAT YOU CAN HAVE A YOU PUC AND THEN CHANGE IT BEFORE A BUSINESS IS EVEN OPEN. IT MAKES ME REALLY CONCERNED THAT ALL OF THE SEVEN VARIANCES THAT WE HAD ON THIS PROJECT AND THE PUCS TO COVER IT, IT, IT WAS ALL SAID TO BE OKAY WITH THE MUNICIPAL CODE AND THE GENERAL PLAN. BUT NOT ONCE DID IT MENTION ABOUT HOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT ENVIRONMENTALLY THE RESIDENTS. AND IT HAS ME CONCERNED, IS THIS GONNA GET ON THE NEXT GO AROUND? UH, IS THIS GOING TO BE, UH, WE'RE GONNA COME HERE AND DO ALL THIS WORK, ALL OF YOU AND, AND, AND MYSELF AS WELL. YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO READ MUNICIPAL CODES AND GENERAL PLANS AND ALL AND ALL THAT TO TRY TO LEARN SO THAT I CAN BE PART OF THIS PROCESS. AND IF IT CAN JUST BE VOTED AWAY, IT, IT'S SUPER CONCERNING FOR ME. AND IT MAKES ME WONDER IS THIS PROCESS, THANK YOU E EVEN, UM, LIKE LEGIT. AND I HOPE THAT IT IS. BUT THANK YOU ALICIA MORRISON TO BE FOLLOWED BY ED NIETO. THE SAFETY ELEMENT THAT YOU ALL ADOPTED ON MARCH 29TH, 2024 STATES. ACCORDING TO THE DATA COMPILED, COMPILED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COALITION, NATIONAL CITY HAS A GREATER NUMBER OF HAZARDOUS [03:25:01] MATERIALS FACILITIES PER SQUARE MILE THAN THE INCORPORATED AREAS OF SAN DIEGO COUNTY ATTORNEY GENERAL. ROB BONTA, UH, ADDRESSES CA AND GENERAL PLANS. AND HE SAYS, AS THE GENERAL PLAN STATES, THE PURPOSE OF THIS HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ELEMENT IS TO IDENTIFY PUBLIC HEALTH RISK AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE CONCERNS IN IMPROVING LIVING CONDITIONS TO FOSTER THE PHYSICAL HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF NATIONAL CITY'S RESIDENTS. NATIONAL CITY'S APPROACH ENSURES AND IMPACTS TO ALREADY AFFECTED COMMUNITIES, WILL NOT BE OVERLOOKED IN FUTURE PROJECT PERMITTING EVER. NATO I'LL OKAY. OKAY. HERE, HERE. IT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, JOSIE FLORES CLARK. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS PHONE RIGHT HERE, THIS IS MY SON. HE'S NOT MY NEPHEW. HE'S MY SON. AND WHO KNOWS BETTER THAN THAT? THEY DO. THEY'VE BEEN MY FRIENDS, MY BEST FRIENDS, MY FAMILY FOR OVER TWO DECADES. THEY KNOW MY HISTORY. THEY KNOW THAT MY SISTER COMMITTED SUICIDE WHEN SHE RAN AWAY FROM HER ABUSIVE HUSBAND, THAT SON OF HERS BECAME MY SON. HOW DARE YOU SAY HE'S NOT, SHE, SHE SAYS THAT WE, THAT I BETRAYED HER BECAUSE I DID NOT CROSS THE LINE BECAUSE I DID NOT NOTIFY HER ABOUT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I DID NOT GO AGAINST THIS PROJECT. YOU'RE RIGHT. I DIDN'T. THEY HELD MY SON'S BODY FOR ALMOST A MONTH, ASKING ME FOR DOCUMENT, AFTER DOCUMENT AFTER DOCUMENT, UNNECESSARY DOCUMENTS AFTER WE HAD ALREADY SIGNED A CONTRACT. AND THEY'RE RIGHT. THERE WAS ANOTHER CONTRACT THAT WAS ALSO DONE AFTER I FOUND OUT FROM MY SON'S EMPLOYER. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THEY WERE GOING TO, EXCUSE ME, I NEED TO FINISH THAT. THEY WERE GOING TO PAY FOR THE SERVICES LIKE THEY WOULD FOR ANYBODY ELSE, RIGHT? THEY'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT. OKAY. I JUST BARELY GAVE THEM THE LAST DOCUMENT THAT THEY REQUESTED. ONLY FOR THEM TO TELL ME THEY'RE STILL NOT GONNA ALLOW ME TO BURY MY SON WITH HIS BIRTH MOTHER WITH MY SISTER THROUGH THE, THE CHAIR. AGREE. OKAY. OKAY. AND THIS ISN'T OVER THE TIME. I KNOW. I KNOW. ALRIGHT. YEAH. GONNA GET THAT THEY PRINTED. OKAY. THEY BEEN PICKED UP. OKAY. ILLEGALLY. OKAY. NOW THEN, I'M SORRY. SHE HAS BEEN GANGED UP BY YOU ON, YOU GET BY YOU GUYS ONE DEAL AFTER ANOTHER. SO DON'T THE CHAIR THROUGH THE CHAIR. EXCUSE ME PLEASE. NOW THAT, THAT IS THE LAST OF OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS, UH, THERE ZOOM? HUH? DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, NO, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE ON ZOOM. UH, NO, WE DO NOT. OKAY. OKAY. UH, I WILL, UM, MARTHA HERNANDEZ, WHERE WERE YOU AT? YOU STILL IN HERE OR DID SHE LEAVE AFTER SHE SPOKE? UH, I, I WILL ANSWER. I MEAN, SHE ASKED THE QUESTION VERY POLITELY. I WILL ANSWER THAT ONE. AS I UNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION WAS, AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, VOTED TO DENY IT ON DECEMBER 2ND, DID I MEET WITH THE, UH, UH, THE APPLICANTS? NO, I DID NOT. I DID NOT HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM. AND, UH, THE UH, UH, AND SO AND SO DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. I'M GONNA ASK STAFF. YOU HAD A RECOMMENDATION BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN IT CAME AS A NOTICE OF DENIAL ON BEFORE THE COUNCIL. YOU STILL HAD THE SAME RECOMMENDATION. WHY? THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO WHEN WE START THE PROCESS, UH, JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BACKING UP A LITTLE BIT. WE RECEIVED THE PROJECT, IT WAS VERY AMBITIOUS. WE DID LET THE APPLICANT KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON HERE. IT WAS GONNA BE A TOUGH UPHILL BATTLE. I THINK THAT WAS WHAT I SAID, OR A, AN UPHILL BATTLE TO GET THAT APPROVED. THEY SHOULD CONSIDER, UH, SCALING BACK THE PROJECT. I THINK THAT'S CLEAR IN THE EMAILS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED. MM-HMM . UM, WHEN WE WERE PROCESSING THE, YOU KNOW, WRITING THE STAFF REPORT, [03:30:01] IT WAS FRANKLY VERY DIFFICULT TO REALLY COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION AT ALL BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, GOING ON. BUT THE POINT THAT I LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AN APPLICANT, WHY, YOU KNOW, OUR JOB IS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC THROUGH THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE POLICIES AND GOALS PRIMARILY. BUT WE'RE ALSO, UH, BEHOLDEN TO AN APPLICANT THAT FILES A FEE AND WANTS TO PURSUE A PROJECT. THEY'RE OUR CLIENT. WE ARE, UH, IF IF THE USE THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS PERMITTED IN THE CODE, EITHER CONDITIONALLY OR OTHERWISE, WE ARE, WE, WE HAVE TO TAKE IN AN APPLICATION. WE MAY NOT LIKE IT. WE MAY THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA. WE MAY HAVE AN IDEA BASED ON PRECEDENCE OR HOW PEOPLE HAVE FELT ABOUT SIMILAR PROJECTS IN THE PAST THAT IT, THAT IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA. WE, ALL WE CAN DO IS COMMUNICATE TO THE APPLICANT WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST BASED ON THAT PRECEDENT. UM, THEY DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO US. AND I SAY THINGS ALL THE TIME, MY WIFE DOESN'T LISTEN TO ME THAT OFTEN, . SO, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, THERE WAS AN AMBITIOUS PROJECT AND I THINK THERE WAS A LOT ON THE LINE, I'M SURE. AND THEY WANTED TO GET THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OUT OF IT. WE HEAR THE WORD PENCIL OUT A LOT AS STAFF. AND YOU KNOW, IF A PROJECT DOESN'T PENCIL OUT, THEN THEY CAN'T DO IT. SO IF THEY'RE GONNA, SOMETIMES THEY DO GO WHOLE HOG WHEN IT COMES TO A RECOMMENDATION. GETTING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR, EXCUSE MY OPINING, BUT WE LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF, OF THE PROJECT IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON. WE TRY TO WRITE AS MANY CONDITIONS AS POSSIBLE TO ENSURE THAT THE PROJECT FUNCTIONS AS WELL AS IT CAN WITH THE, WITH THE COMMUNITY. IT'S NEVER GONNA BE PERFECT. AND A LOT IS GONNA BE DETERMINED LATER, OF COURSE. AND UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE NOT OMNISCIENT. AND SO WITH THE FINDINGS FOR THIS, WE CAME UP WITH FINDINGS FOR APPROVAL. WE DIDN'T ACT ACTUALLY END UP WRITING ANY FINDINGS FOR DENIAL. 'CAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH GOING ON. WE, AND IN OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, THERE WAS NO WAY THAT THIS WAS GONNA GO THROUGH UNSCATHED. SO WRITING FINDINGS FOR DENIAL WAS TAKING A LONG TIME BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHICH PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT WERE GOING TO BE KICKED OUT, WHICH ONES WERE GONNA BE ACCEPTED, OR EVEN IF THE WHOLE THING WAS GONNA BE APPROVED OR, OR DENIED AS A WHOLE. SO BASED ON ALL OF THE CONDITIONS AND THERE WERE 70 PLUS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MOST I'VE, I'VE DONE I THINK, OR I THINK, UH, DAVID WELCH, THE ASSOCIATE PLANNER. SO MOST THAT WE HAD PUT ON THERE, AND IT WAS OUR OPINION THAT IF IT HAD TO GO THROUGH THE WAY IT WAS WITH ALL OF THOSE CONDITIONS, WE FELT THAT IT WAS PASSABLE. UM, DO WE LIKE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS? NO, NOT NECESSARILY. BUT WE ARE, WE ARE DEPENDENT UPON BY THE COMMISSION, BY THE COUNCIL, BY THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE AN OPINION OR A, A, UH, A RECOMMENDATION AS WE ARE AS CLOSE TO SUBJECT MATTERS, I SUPPOSE AS YOU CAN BE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN TO SAY WE KNOW EVERYTHING, BUT WE KNOW WHERE TO GET THIS INFORMATION FROM AND WE HAVE TO PRESENT IT IN A, AS MUCH OF A NEUTRAL WAY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE THE WORKING FOR OUR CLIENT. SO WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL BASED ON THOSE FINDINGS AND BASED ON THOSE CONDITIONS OF THOSE NUMEROUS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WE WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DISAGREED WITH THAT AND VOTED TO DENY WE CAN FLIP FLOP FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, WELL NOW WE, NOW WE ARE OKAY WITH IT. SO IT'S FINE. WE WILL ALWAYS, AS STAFF SUPPORT THE DECISION OF THE, OF THE BODY THAT MADE THE, THE DISCRETIONARY BODY AND RESPECT THAT DECISION. THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO. WE PRESENT INFORMATION IN A NEUTRAL MANNER AS MUCH AS WE CAN PROCESS IT APPROPRIATELY, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. IF WE GET OVERRULED, WE GET OVERRULED. THAT'S THE WAY IT IS WHEN IT WENT FORWARD AS A NOTICE OF DECISION, IN THE CASES WHERE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION IS DIFFERENT, ALL WE CAN DO IS STATE THE HISTORY OF THAT RECOMMENDATION, STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, PLANNING, COMMISSION DENIED. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. SO THAT'S HOW WE, WE MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO YES, WE CAN, WE CAN CHANGE OUR MIND, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S ABOUT RESPECTING THE PROCESS AND RESPECTING THE DISCRETIONARY MARTY'S DECISION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YOU THINK? YOU SAID YOU HAD SOME YES. UH, SOME, UH, QUESTIONS. SO, AND THANK YOU MARTIN, FOR THE OVERVIEW. APPRECIATE STAFF FOR THE, UH, REPORT AND GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. I DID THINK THE REPORT WAS, UM, MISSING A COUPLE THINGS THAT I DID WANT TO ASK STAFF TO UPDATE ON. UM, LEMME JUST PULL UP, LOST MY NOTES HERE. UM, OH, UM, SO MY QUE SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FELT WAS, UH, MISSING, MARTIN, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, [03:35:01] UM, THE REPORTS, UM, UM, IN THE REPORT, I, I DIDN'T SEE IT, UH, MENTIONED ABOUT THE CQA, THE CLASS THREE TWO EXEMPT EXEMPTION DETERMINATION. UM, SO, AND, AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF, I I, IF YOU CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THE CQA PROCESS BECAUSE, UM, I, I THINK THERE WAS SOME BACK AND FORTH WITH, WITH EVEN OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT STAFF, UM, FROM THE RECORDS, IT SEEMED LIKE, UM, LEGAL RECOMMENDED, UM, THAT, UH, THERE BE SOME ADDITIONAL A, A DIFFERENT SE A DETERMINATION. 'CAUSE I DIDN'T THINK THE SE A DETERMINATION WHEN I SAW THE PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT ON THE AIR QUALITY. I DIDN'T THINK, LIKE, FOR ME, IT'S, IT'S YOUR, IT'S YOUR GUYS' STAFF'S OPINION. I GET THAT. I HAD A DIFFERENT OPINION, BUT WHY, HOW DID THAT TRANSPIRE? WHAT WAS THAT BETWEEN LIKE THE LEGAL AND PLANNING STAFF ON THE CA DETERMINATION? UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO, UH, THROUGH THE MAYOR, WHEN WE DID THE ANNEXATION AND THE, THE REZONE TO, FROM RESIDENTIAL TO MIXED USE, WE DID A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR THAT. OR ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE IT WAS JUST A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, I'M SORRY. UH, AND WE DID LOOK AT A, A LOT OF THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE, YOU KNOW, GREAT GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS TRAFFIC AND SO FORTH. UM, NOT MUCH BECAME OF THAT PROJECT. UH, ULTIMATELY IT WAS, AS I SAID, UH, DENIED OR NOT DENIED, EXCUSE ME, EXPIRED. BUT FOR THE CURRENT PROJECT, BECAUSE IT WAS AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, AND BECAUSE WE'D ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE SECRET FOR THE ACTUAL ZONE CHANGE, WE, WE FELT THAT AS AN INFILLED DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, IT QUALIFIED FOR A CLASS 32 QUA EXEMPTION, UH, WITH THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT. YOU, IT'S EITHER NOT SUBJECT TO IT AS IN THAT IT'S NOT A PROJECT. OBVIOUSLY THAT WASN'T THE CASE HERE. IT COULD BE EXEMPT OR IT COULD HAVE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT NEED TO BE MITIGATED AND OR AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, WHICH IS THE LARGEST, MOST COMPREHENSIVE, WHICH YOU'VE SEEN WITH THE FOCUS, GENERAL PLAN AND OTHER LARGER PROJECTS. UM, AS I MENTIONED IN MY PREAMBLE, THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WERE DEFINITELY PUSHING THE LIMITS, UH, AS FAR AS WRITING A REPORT ON THIS. SO MUCH SO THAT THE, THAT THE ATTORNEY'S DEPARTMENT DID SAY, LOOK, WE NEED MORE TIME ON THIS FOR GOOD REASON. UH, AND OBVIOUSLY WE STALLED AND CAME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT DONE CORRECTLY. BUT THEN WE WERE ON THE TIMELINE OF HAVING SET IT FOR HEARING HAD TO CONTINUE TO ANOTHER HEARING. WE GOT, UH, THERE WAS SOME CHANGE AT THE LAST MINUTE WITH THE, WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY RELATED TO THE FLOW OF THE PROPERTY. UH, NUMBER ONE, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PROJECT SUCH AS THIS, A, A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING RESIDENTIAL, EXCUSE ME, COMMERCIAL TYPE OF VIEWS, IT ACTUALLY SCREENS OUT OF VMT OR VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED WITH QUA. UM, THAT EXEMPTION TAKES TRAFFIC AND CIRCULATION, UH, OFF, OFF THE TABLE. ALTHOUGH IT WAS DEFINITELY DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE, UM, SOMEWHAT OF AN IMPACT THAT WAS, WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BY AN UPGRADE TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, FOR EXAMPLE. SO THOSE WERE ALL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. THE CAR WASH FLIPPED 180 DEGREES. INITIALLY IT WAS GONNA BE, UH, FACING SWEETWATER ROAD. WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE NEWEST AND BEST AND QUIETEST. YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE LOOKED INTO THAT SOME MORE, AND ULTIMATELY WE WERE GOING TO REQUIRE SOME FORM OF NOISE STUDY AND OR, UH, INFORMATION FROM THE MANUFACTURER IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THAT TO BE TRUE. BUT, UH, WHAT HAD HAPPENED WITH THE FLOW, WITH THE WAY THAT THE CAR WASH WAS, IT, UH, WAS NOT, THE FLOW WAS NOT GONNA WORK. IT WAS GONNA CREATE AN IMPACT ON THE ADJACENT STREET. SO IT WAS FLIPPED THE OTHER DIRECTION. THAT OF COURSE, MADE IT FACE NORTH TOWARDS THE RESIDENTIAL USES NEARBY. AND THOSE CONCERNS WERE EXACERBATED. BUT BY THAT POINT, WE WERE DOWN THE PATH OF HAVING TO WRITE A STAFF REPORT. SO WE, UH, CONDITIONED THE REPORT AS HEAVILY AS WE COULD TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE WAS GONNA, OR TO MAKE SURE THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY IMPACTS. WE DO HAVE A TITLE 12 NOISE ORDINANCE THAT AS REGARDS TO NOISE. AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WERE HOPING THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE ENOUGH. AT THIS POINT, BEING THAT THE PROJECT HAS BEEN DENIED AND ALL LEGISLATE, WELL, NOT LEGISLATIVE REMEDIES, BUT IT'S BEEN WITHDRAWN, IT INSTEAD STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS IS OVER, WE CERTAINLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RETHINK THOSE TYPES OF DECISIONS ON FUTURE ACTIONS. GOT IT. WELL, IT WASN'T THE DRIVEWAY THAT CONCERNED ME THE MOST NECESSARILY IN TERMS OF THE, I MEAN, YES, THE ON THE AIR QUALITY IMPACTS, BUT WE HAD ALREADY HAD A DRIVE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH. UH, WHAT CONCERNED ME WAS THE, UM, WAS THE, WAS THE GAS STATION, WAS THE, THE FUEL AND THE POSSIBLE ODOR EMISSIONS, THE THE CAR, CAR WASH NOISE. YOU MENTIONED NOISE. SO, UM, WELL, SO, UH, BARRY, COULD YOU, UH, IN TERMS OF YOUR LEGAL OFFICE, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL [03:40:01] COMMENTS OR INFORMATION ABOUT THE SE QL EXEMPTION? BUT I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, MARTIN. I UNDERSTAND THAT. NO, I, I THINK, UH, MR. READER EXPLAINED IT WELL. UM, WHEN, WHEN MATTERS ARE BEING PREPARED TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, THOSE STAFF REPORTS, ET CETERA, ARE REFERRED TO MY OFFICE FOR REVIEW. UM, WE GOT IT LATE AND WE DID IDENTIFY SOME ISSUES AND CONCERNS. WE EXPRESSED THAT TO STAFF. UH, THEY WENT BACK. THEY, THEY, AS HE SAID, THEY CONTINUED THE HEARING. THEY DID WHAT THEY HAD TO DO TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT WE RAISED. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, AND YOU AND MARTIN, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FINDINGS, UH, FOR DENIAL AND THAT THEY WEREN'T, UM, AND THE JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY THEY WEREN'T, UM, PROVIDED. SO I APPRECIATE YOU, YOU SAYING THAT AND, UM, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THEY WEREN'T PROVIDED. I KNOW SINCE I'VE BEEN, UH, WHEN I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SINCE 2013, BUT I, I WILL SAY I HAVE SEEN INCONSISTENCIES AND SOMETIMES THE FINDINGS FOR DENIAL WERE THERE AND SOMETIMES NOT. I DO THINK THAT THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE I, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN THAT HARD FOR STAFF TO, TO FIND SOME FINDINGS. SO I DID THINK THAT THAT WAS, UH, UH, THAT WASN'T, UH, I THINK THAT COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED BETTER. I THINK THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN FINDINGS FOR, FOR DENIAL, THE PROJECT'S DENIED. SO IT'S, UM, SO IT'S, SO IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD THAT IT'S NOT AN ISSUE ANYMORE, BUT MOVING FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE CONSISTENCY WITH, UH, THE FINDINGS FOR DENIAL AND, AND ESPECIALLY ON CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT. SO I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ALL CONTINUED TO RECOMMEND THE PROJECT BECAUSE YOU MADE THE APPLICANT JUMP THROUGH ALL THESE HOOPS TO CONDITION IT. SO THAT MADE SENSE. IT'S, THAT'S WHY IT'S UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL, WHICH IT NEVER GOT TO. IT'S UP TO US TO, TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AND PUT ADDITIONAL, UM, ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS. BUT JUST MOVING FORWARD, I, I REALLY THINK THAT THE FINDINGS OF DENIAL SHOULD BE THERE FOR THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE SHARED WITH ME THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE FELT LIKE, UM, THAT THERE WASN'T THAT, AND THAT THEY, UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BACK UP, UM, THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. UM, SO I, I THINK MOVING FORWARD, THAT SHOULD BE, UM, THAT WE, THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. I THINK, UM, THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT. SO THAT PART WAS MISSING IN THE REPORT, AND I ASKED THAT THE, THE REPORT BE UPDATED ABOUT THE FINDINGS OF DENIAL, THE EXPLANATION THERE. AND THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK THE REPORT IS MISSING IS, UM, IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE COMMUNICATION. AND THAT'S WHAT THE, UH, PUBLIC IS MOSTLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND THE DEVELOPER. AND SO THERE'S NO MENTION, UH, OF THAT, THAT COMMUNICATION. SO I, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT AS WHERE, UH, AS WELL. SO, UM, SO THOSE THREE THINGS, I WOULD LIKE THE REPORT UPDATED THE, ABOUT THE CQA, UH, EXEMPTION, DETERMINATION, THE, THE FINDINGS OF DENIAL, AND THEN THE, UM, AND THEN THE, UH, THE COMMUNICATION. ANYTHING ELSE, RODRIGUEZ? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I DO HAVE A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO CLARIFY COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS THAT CONTINUE TO BE BROUGHT UP. UM, MR. MAYOR, DID, DID YOU OR YOUR ASSISTANT ASK FOR THE PROPOSAL TO BE MODIFIED OR HAVE A SAY IN THE MODIFICATION OF THE PROPOSAL BEFORE IT CAME BACK TO COUNSEL? NO. NOTHING AT ALL? NO. OKAY. AND, AND, UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT YOUR OFFICE AND YOUR ASSISTANT, UH, SET UP A MEETING BETWEEN THE OWNERS, UM, UH, OF THE PROPOSED, UH, GAS STATION AND THE OWNERS OF THE CEMETERY WHERE, UM, UH, THEY WERE, THE CEMETERY OWNERS WERE OFFERED DISCOUNTED GAS AND LIQUOR IN, IN, UH, IN AN ASK TO STOP OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT? I WAS AWARE THAT THERE WAS A MEETING AT THEIR REQUEST TO HAVE THE TWO SIDES MEET TOGETHER, AND SHE FACILITATED SO THAT THEY COULD MEET. AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE TWO PEOPLE FROM THE CEMETERY WAS REQUESTING, UH, THE IDEA OF DISCOUNTED GASOLINE, DISCOUNTED ALCOHOL, AND A MONUMENT SIGN FOR THEIR FACILITY ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY. AND YOU'RE AWARE OF THIS BECAUSE THE, YOUR ASSISTANT WAS THERE. SHE WAS THERE FOR THE FIRST PART OF IT WHEN THAT HAPPENED, AND THEN SHE LEFT. SHE WAS ONLY THERE FOR THE FIRST PORTION OF IT. SO HOW DID YOU KNOW ABOUT IT? HUH? HOW DID YOU KNOW ABOUT IT? HOW DID I KNOW ABOUT IF YOUR ASSISTANT WASN'T THERE AT THE MEETING, HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT WAS COVERED AT THE VERY FIRST PART OF THE MEETING. SO SHE WAS THERE. I SAID SHE WAS AT THE FIRST PART [03:45:01] OF THE MEETING? YES. OKAY. SO SHE WAS THERE WHEN SHE WAS NOT THERE FOR THE ENTIRE MEETING. MM-HMM . AND, UH, TWO THINGS. SHE WAS, THINK SHE WAS SICK AT THE TIME AND SHE HAD JUST, JUST LOST HER SON. SO, UM, NOW THAT YOU BRING UP THE SON OR, OR, OR NEPHEW, UM, DO YOU KNOW IF YOUR ASSISTANT ASKED FOR BURIAL SERVICES TO BE PAID BY A LOCAL BUSINESS? NO, SHE DID NOT. OR BUSINESSES. HUH? OR BUSINESSES? NO, SHE DID NOT. AND SECOND, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO AN INQUISITION HERE, BUT SHE DID NOT. ALTHOUGH THE, UH, LET'S SEE, THE ATTORNEY, HE'S LEFT THE ROOM. HE DID CALL HER UP AND ACCUSE HER OF THAT. AND, UH, BECAUSE SHE HAD LET, UH, IT WAS A SITUATION TO WHERE SHE'D WENT OVER AND SIGNED DOCUMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND AGREEMENTS AND TO TAKE CARE OF IT. SHE LATER GOT A CALL THE NEXT WEEK FROM EDCO ASKING HAD THEY SET UP SERVICES YET OR ANYTHING. AND AT THAT POINT, UH, SHE SAID, YES, I'VE ALREADY SIGNED THE DOCUMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND HE SAID, AND THIS IS JOHN. HE SAID, UH, WHEN YOU GET THE BILL, SEND IT TO ME. SHE GOES, WHY? AND THAT'S WHEN HE INFORMED HER THAT THEY HAD A COMPANY POLICY TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR EMPLOYEES AND THEIR RETIREES, I THINK AFTER THEY WERE VESTED, UH, FOR THEIR FUNERAL SERVICES. SO NO, SHE DID NOT REQUEST FROM ANYONE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. SHE WAS UNAWARE OF IT. SHE DID NOT REQUEST FROM ANY BUSINESSES TO OFFER PAYMENT FOR THE BURIAL SERVICE OF A FAMILY MEMBER. SHE DID NOT. NO. MAYOR. OKAY. OKAY. I'M SORRY. YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER. YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER. YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER, SIR. UM, JUST FALSE STATEMENTS. JUST AS, UM, UH, ONE THING THAT WAS TROUBLING EARLIER, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HEARD IN THE NON-AG AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE'S A GENTLEMAN, UH, WHO STOOD UP AND, UH, MADE A COMMENT EARLIER. HE SAID, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ SHOULD BE PUT TO SLEEP. UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GUYS WILL PUT HIM, BUT THAT SAME INDIVIDUAL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE, MAYOR VISITED THESE BUSINESS OWNERS, WOMEN AT THEIR WORK SITE. WERE YOU, WERE YOU AWARE OF THAT? HE DID CALL AND SAY HE HAD WENT BY THERE AND TALKED WITH THEM. THAT'S SOMETHING I KNOW. AND, AND HOW DID HE KNOW WHERE TO GO AND WHAT TO SAY AND WHO TO SAY IT TO? I DO NOT KNOW SPECIFICALLY. MAYBE YOUR, IS YOUR ASSISTANT FRIENDS WITH HIM OR ARE YOU, YEAH. OKAY. HOW CAN I PUT THIS? SURE. WELL, YOU HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION. IT'S DIFFICULT, SOME KIND OF INFORMATION, DON'T YOU? I MEAN, LOOK, FOR ME, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO BE OBJECTIVE, RIGHT? SURE. BUT IF WE JUST LOOK AT AN OBJECTIVITY, LOOK AT THIS VERY OBJECTIVELY, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OTHER ASSISTANT WOULD GET THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT FROM ALL OF THESE ISSUES CONTINUING TO COME UP, ESPECIALLY FROM BUSINESS OWNERS THAT WERE FRIENDS FOR TWO DECADES. THIS IS NOT NORMAL, WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN MENTIONING. IT'S REALLY NOT. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL TERRIBLE FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO FEEL THEY HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY, BY YOU AND YOUR ASSISTANT. I FEEL TERRIBLE FOR STAFF, WHICH IS PLACED IN AN IMPOSSIBLE POSITION. AND WE SEE THEM DO THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITH OUR STAFF. AND WHILE THEY'RE DEALING WITH THIS POLITICAL DISASTER, THEY COULD BE DOING WORK, WHICH IS WHY I THINK MOST OF THEM LIKE TO DO WORK, TO MOVE FORWARD ISSUES TO ADDRESS IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S SO UNCONSCIONABLE FOR ME, FOR YOU TO ALLOW YOUR ASSISTANT TO SPEAK HOWEVER LONG SHE WANTS TO SPEAK UNTIL SHE'S INTERRUPTED BY THE COMMUNITY. IT IT ONLY PROVES THE POINT THAT, YES, YOU ARE COMPLICIT IN THIS CONTINUED BEHAVIOR. SO DO I BELIEVE SOME OF THOSE THINGS? YOU BET I DO. BECAUSE YOU HAVE PROVEN TO ALLOW THINGS TO HAPPEN. AND SO I, I, I THINK IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A SHAME. I THINK IT REEKS OF LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY WITHIN YOUR OFFICE. AND, AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT FOR THE CITY. I HOPE WE TAKE, UH, ACTUAL MEASURES BECAUSE THE LAWSUIT CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD, AND WE, AGAIN, ARE GONNA BE ON THE HOOK, TAXPAYERS ARE GONNA BE ON THE HOOK FOR LACK OF COOPERATION WITH INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE HIGHLY RESPECTED. SO IT OKAY. THROUGH THE CHAIR. THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS. MAYOR, THROUGH THE CHAIR. THROUGH THE CHAIR, OKAY. HMM. THROUGH THE CHAIR. YES. GO AHEAD, COUNCIL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I, I THINK THESE ARE TWO ISSUES, AND I HAVE REQUESTED COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER TO INCLUDE IN THIS A REPORT OF THE PROCESSES OF WHAT TRANSPIRED FOR THIS PROJECT. THAT IS THE ISSUE HERE. I [03:50:01] ALSO WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THE PERSONNEL MATTER BE HANDLED BY THE CITY MANAGER WITH, IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE HR AND THE CITY ATTORNEY. SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I AM GLAD THAT THIS PROCESSES CAME FORWARD BECAUSE , I WAS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TALKING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER THAT, BECAUSE THAT 1 0 5 DIDN'T GO THROUGH, WE SHOULD AT LEAST BE RESPONSIBLE IN, IN CLEARING OUR STAFF OF HOW DID IT HAPPEN? WHY DID THIS HAPPEN? AND THIS REPORT CAME ABOUT. UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT NOW I'M HEARING FROM OUR, UM, UM, MR. READER OF, UM, THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE THEN, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I AM, UH, I APPRECIATE THE REPORT, MR. READER. I KNOW IT'S EXCRUCIATING TO, UM, TO WRITE THIS, UM, WITH THIS EVENT SINCE THE PROJECT IS NOT THERE ANYMORE, AND I KNOW IT'S GONNA COME BACK. SO THESE ARE LESSONS LEARNED FOR US, UM, ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS PROJECTS THAT ARE COMPLICATED OR WONKY OR UGLY, RIGHT? UM, IN ORDER FOR US TO BE MORE RESPONSIBLE, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UM, UM, IN, IN MAKING SURE THAT WE ADHERE TO NOT BORDERLINE NOT RIDING ON THE FENCE, NOT THREADING LIGHTLY ON ANY CODE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE A PROJECT. I TOO WAS IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I RESPECT THOSE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. THEIR CHAIRMAN IS A FORMER, UM, LAND USE, UM, YOU, UM, WITH, WITH, UH, WITH A LOT OF, OF, UM, OF BACKGROUND AS WELL AS THE, THE OTHER YUNA AND COMMISSIONERS THAT WE APPOINTED TO SIT THERE TO HELP US REVISIT, LOOK, THEY'RE GONNA BE OUR EYES AND EARS AND YOUR EDUCATION TO THEM WILL HELP THEM IN MAKING THAT DECISION. THEIR DECISION WAS TO DENY THE PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S TOO SMORGASBORD, RIGHT? THERE'S, IT'S JUST TOO COMPLICATED. AND HOW IT WENT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TO, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS. AT, AT THE TIME, THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, RECOMMENDED DENIAL. IT'S JUST THAT THE, THE, THE, THE, THE LANGUAGE THAT WE USE WHEN WE MOVE IT FORWARD BECAUSE THEY APPEALED TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL DAYS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE LANGUAGE OF APPROVE FOR DENIAL, IT'S LIKE, IT'S, IT'S, UH, NOT CORRECT, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, BASED ON, BASED ON MY READING, UM, THE REPORTS AND THE PERFORM, THE, THE PREVIOUS RE REPORTS, WHAT HAPPENED, I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, MY REQUEST OF SEPARATING THE PERSONNEL ISSUE, AND I'M WATCHING OUR CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO WITH IT, AND I SAID THIS TO THEM, LET'S STICK TO THE PROCESSES AND LET'S LEARN FROM IT, RIGHT? AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT IT, WHATEVER WONKINESS OR UGLINESS THAT WE OVERLOOKED, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE CORRECTED. AND I DON'T WANNA HEAR, OH, WE'RE, WE WENT THROUGH THE, THE, UH, ALL THE CODES, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE ARE THINGS THERE THAT YOU CAN ALREADY SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE REPORT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, NOT BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID WE SHOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT THE DEVELOPER'S ASKING FOR US TO DO. BUT YOU ARE OUR TEACHERS. YOU HAVE THE, UH, THE EXPERIENCE AND THE BACKGROUND TO LET US KNOW IF THIS WILL PASS OR NOT, RIGHT? SO, SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FOR US TO SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS MINISTERIAL. THIS IS, UM, THIS IS THIS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? UM, IT'S THE, IT'S A DISCRETION OF THE OWNER BECAUSE, UM, IT'S, UH, UH, BY, RIGHT. UH, I THINK WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY JUMPING AT YOU, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LET US LOOK AT THAT, REVISIT IT, LOOK AT IT, AND MAKE SURE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST LIKE I SAID, THESE ARE LESSONS LEARNED, THE PROCESSES, WE WERE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, PUSH, AND HERE IT IS, THERE ARE SOME REVISIONS. THE VICE MAYOR SAID, LET'S, LET'S LOOK INTO, UH, LET'S, LET'S REVISIT THAT. THERE ARE QUESTIONS FROM, FROM OUR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HERE. AND I DO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS THE, THE, THE PROCESSES THAT WE DO AS A CITY. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'LL, WE'LL ALWAYS, ALWAYS [03:55:01] BE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TO THE BEST OF, OF OUR ABILITY THAT THERE WILL BE NO QUESTION, UM, THAT COME BACK TO US BECAUSE , IT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SWALLOW WHEN ALL OF US, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DEFEND THE CITY AS THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL HERE, UM, TO DEFEND THE ACTIONS OF, OF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN AN OVERSIGHT OR, OR BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE DONE BECAUSE THEY PAID THE FEE. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I DON'T WANNA HEAR, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE RE MORE RESPONSIBLE TO THOSE DEVELOPERS, TO THE PEOPLE, UM, THAT WE ANSWER TO. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE PROCESSES WE TOUCHED, WE, IT IS HERE, THE PERSONAL PART. LET US REMOVE IT FROM THIS, UH, REPORT OF THE PROCESSES OF HOW IT WAS DONE. AND LET OUR, YOU KNOW, MEAN OUR, UM, CITY MANAGER WITH HR AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY TAKE CARE OF THAT PART. THAT'S WHY I PUSHED FOR THIS. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, REPORT ON PROCESSES, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO BE MUDDLED BY ANY OF THOSE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S MY SON. IT'S NOT MY SON. IT'S THEIR FUNERAL. IT HAS NO RELEVANCE WITH THE PROCESSES THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. AND, UM, SO THESE ARE LESSONS LEARNED. I AM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE, THE, UM, THE, UH, COMMENT THAT YOU HAVE, UM, SAID VICE MAYOR AND, AND SO WE PUT THIS, YOU KNOW, INTO SOMETHING THAT ALL OF US LEARNED FROM IT. THANK YOU. YES. OH GOD, THIS IS, IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO BE SITTING IN THIS CHAIR TONIGHT. UH, IT, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE HOW MUCH MORE DIFFICULT IT IS FOR, UH, OUR EMPLOYEES AND OUR CITY STAFF THAT ARE LIKE, UH, IT WAS SET UP HERE, WERE PUT IN AN IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION, AND THEY DID THE BEST THAT THEY COULD. I, I HAVE FAITH IN THE CITY STAFF THAT IS COMING IN EVERY DAY TO DO THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE TO DO. AND, UH, MY RESPONSIBILITY AS A COUNCIL MEMBER IS TO, UH, WORK ON POLICY. AND IF POLICY NEEDS TO BE, UH, EDITED OR BUTTONED UP OR WHATEVER, I WILL SIGN UP FOR THAT TASK. THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO DO. IF THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE PROCESS THAT WAS FOLLOWED FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, WE CAN FIX THAT. WE CAN FIX THE POLICIES, THE PROCEDURES, THE EXPECTATIONS, WE CAN FIX THAT. BUT I CANNOT PASS JUDGMENT ON THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE ASKED TO DO WORK. AND THEY DID WORK. AND THEN IT, IT JUST BROKE MY HEART TO HEAR CARLOS TWO WEEKS AGO, HAVE TO DEFEND HIMSELF. UM, IT JUST, IT BAFFLES ME THAT THIS HAS GOTTEN SO MUCH BIGGER THAN WHAT MY JOB IS IN THIS CHAIR. NOW, I HAVE MET WITH MS. JOSIE FLORES CLARK. I HAVE MET AND SPOKEN TO MS, UH, MIKA POLANCO, AND I KNOW, UH, UH, UH, ON THE PHONE WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS. YOU AND I, LUISA I HAVE BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR EVERY SINGLE TIME I HAVE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT I AM STICKING TO MY RESPONSIBILITIES AS A COUNCIL MEMBER. AND ALTHOUGH I AM A VERY, UH, EMOTIONAL PERSON AND ALL OF THE PERSONAL ASPECTS OF THIS ARE JUST SO VERY DIFFICULT, I MUST REFRAIN FROM INVOLVING MYSELF IN ANY PART OF THOSE ISSUES. I AM SORRY. THOSE ARE NOT MY ISSUES. AND AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I AM NOT PERMITTING MYSELF TO CROSS THAT LINE. SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I TAKE MY JOB HERE EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY, AND I WILL STAND WITH THE MEMBERS OF OUR STAFF THAT ARE RUNNING THE CITY WITH US. AND IF THERE ARE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE FIXED THERE, I WILL GLADLY WORK ON FIXING THOSE ISSUES COLLABORATIVELY. BEYOND THAT, IT IS NOT MY, WITHIN MY REALM OF WHAT I AM SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AS A COUNCIL MEMBER. UM, I, I HOPE THAT EXPLAINS MY POSITION. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, [04:00:01] I GOT A FEW THINGS TO SAY. THE, UH, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS, I WILL SAY UN UNEQUIVOCALLY, WE DID NOT APPROACH THIS PROJECT ANY DIFFERENT THAN WE HAVE DOZENS AND DOZENS AND DOZENS OF OTHER PROJECTS AND, UM, DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME BEFORE US. IT IS A SITUATION WHERE MANY TIMES WE MEET WITH DEVELOPERS, SOME OF 'EM COME INTO THE OFFICE AND THEY GOT AN IDEA AND THEY LEAVE AND WE NEVER SEE 'EM AGAIN. OTHER ONES, THEY FOLLOW THROUGH AND WE NORMALLY HOOK 'EM UP WITH STAFF AND SAY, HERE'S WHO YOU NEED TO TALK TO. AND BEFORE YOU GET TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD, TALK TO 'EM. FIND OUT WHAT ALL YOU GOTTA DO AND WHAT THE PROCESS IS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA WASTE THEIR TIME. WE DON'T WANNA BE WASTING OUR STAFF'S TIME. AND WE DO THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND SOMETIMES THERE'S A FOLLOW UP MEETING BECAUSE THINGS AREN'T GOING WELL. AND SO WE GET STAFF AND THEM TOGETHER AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO YOU NEED STAFF? WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM THEM? YOU KNOW, WHAT AREN'T YOU PROVIDING? UH, SOMETIMES WE GET COMPLAINTS SAYING, HEY, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM STAFF IN THREE MONTHS. WE'VE ALL, WE'VE TURNED IN ALL OF OUR STUFF. WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FOR THREE MONTHS. I'LL CALL DOWN TO CHECK. AND NINE TIMES OUT OF 10 AT LEAST IT'S BEEN, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE HERE, WE GOT THE DOCUMENTS AND HERE'S A, HERE'S THE MESSAGES THAT WE SENT OFF TO THEIR ARCHITECT, TO THEIR, THEIR, THEIR CONTRACTOR, WHATEVER, AND SHOWS THAT IT WAS RECEIVED. BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM IN, IN THREE MONTHS, I'LL CALL BACK, TALK TO THE, TELL THAT TO THE DEVELOPER, IF HE GOES AND JUMPS ON HIS CONTRACTOR. I MEAN, THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME. 'CAUSE THERE'S NO USE TYING UP OUR TIME AND THEIR TIME AND RUNNING CIRCLES ON ALL THIS STUFF. THIS ONE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT. AND, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL I, I DON'T MIND PUTTING STAFF IN THE SPOT. I'LL ASK MR, WAS THERE ANYTHING, ANY INFLUENCE OR ANYTHING THAT EITHER MYSELF OR MY ASSISTANT DID THAT AFFECTED YOUR, HOW, HOW YOU GUYS APPROACHED THIS? NO, MA'AM. THANK YOU. I'M GOING, I'M GONNA TURN THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER. BOTH YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN ALL THE DIFFERENT EMAILS AND TEXTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU'VE SEEN. EVERYTHING. ANYTHING THAT ACTUALLY POINTS TO ANYTHING. WELL, LET ME MAKE A FEW COMMENTS. OKAY. AND THEY ARE IN RESPONSE TO, I THINK, DEPUTY MAYOR BUSH'S QUESTIONS ABOUT CERTAIN MEETINGS THAT WERE REFERENCED IN EMAILS BETWEEN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, THE DEVELOPER AND STAFF. AND LEMME GIVE YOU THE LEGAL CONTEXT. THESE ARE WHAT WE CALL EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. THESE ARE COMMUNICATIONS OUTSIDE OF A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEY ARE BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. UM, THEY MAY RECEIVE INFORMATION, ORAL OR WRITTEN OTHERWISE PERTAINING TO A PARTICULAR MATTER OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC, UH, MEETING. THIS DOES INCLUDE MEETINGS WITH PROJECT APPLICANTS AND OR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. SO IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MEET, MEET WITH THEIR CONSTITUENTS. THOSE CONSTITUENTS ARE DEVELOPERS. THOSE CONSTITUENTS ARE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. MANY OF YOU MEET WITH YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO DISCUSS PROJECTS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS NOT ILLEGAL. IT'S AN EX PARTE COMMUNICATION. HOWEVER, THEY ARE SUBJECT TO CERTAIN GUIDELINES IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS AND TO ENSURE DUE PROCESS FOR ALL INVOLVED. FIRST. AND I THINK WE'VE GIVEN THIS, THIS MESSAGE TO ALL OF THE DECISION MAKERS, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, ET CETERA. WHEN THEY SAY, CAN I MEET WITH SOMEONE AND MY OFFICE, OUR, OUR ADVICE IS, NO, DON'T DO IT. THEN THEY ASK, WELL, ARE YOU TELLING ME I CAN'T DO IT? I'M NOT TELLING YOU THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT. IT'S NOT ILLEGAL. YOU CAN DO IT. BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE INFORMATIONS MUST BE INFORMATIONAL ONLY. YOU CANNOT DISCLOSE TO ANYONE WHAT POSITION, WHAT ISSUES OR OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE GONNA AFFECT YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS. NOW, SECONDLY, YOU HAVE TO DISCLOSE THESE, THESE MATTERS. WHEN IT GETS TO A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO DISCLOSE THAT YOU HAD MEETINGS AND THE SUBSTANCE OF THOSE MEETINGS. NOW, THAT'S THE GENERAL CONTEXT. AND KEEP IN MIND THAT, THAT THEY ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS, THEY ARE YOUR REPRESENTATIVES, AND EVERYONE HAS KIND OF A, A RIGHT [04:05:01] TO SPEAK TO THEIR REPRESENTATIVES. AND SO THESE GENERAL RULES ARE SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS THERE. IN THIS CASE, WE DID SEE EMAIL COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN THE MAYOR, THE APPLICANT, AND THE CITY MANAGER. AND I HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT THOSE MEETINGS WERE TO TALK ABOUT PROCEDURAL ISSUES, ISSUES THAT HAD TO DEAL WITH REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE BEING, UH, REQUESTED OF THE APPLICANT. THE PROCEDURE ITSELF. AND THOSE, THOSE THINGS WERE COMMUNICATED TO STAFF. AND STAFF MET WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND THEY DID WHAT THEY HAD TO DO. , THEY INFORMED THEM OF THE PROCESSES. THEY GAVE THEM THE OPTIONS, AND THE DEVELOPER EITHER TOOK IT OR HE DIDN'T TAKE IT. BUT BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT WE SEE, EVERYTHING THAT I KNOW, THERE WAS NO UNDUE INFLUENCE, NO UNDUE INFLUENCE. AND THIS IDEA THAT SOMEHOW AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THIS WAS MYSTERIOUSLY PUSHED UP TO COUNCIL, IS LUDICROUS. THE CODE SAYS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO AFTER A PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION, WE HAVE TO TAKE IT UP TO COUNCIL FOR A NOTICE OF DECISION, AND IT HAS TO BE DONE WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE. AND THERE'S BEEN NO EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THE OTHER SIDE ABOUT THESE SO-CALLED FINANCIAL FAVORS RELATED TO THIS PROJECT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE WE HAVE TO DO TO SATISFY YOU. AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO, BUT I MUST SAY, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE OBJECTIONS, LET'S BE TRUTHFUL ABOUT IT. THE POINT OF TODAY WAS TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN IDEA OF THE PROCESS. AND I WILL ALSO SAY ONE OTHER THING. VICE MAYOR BUSH BRINGS UP SEQUEL QUESTIONS. I HAVE NEVER WORKED ON A CASE WHERE EVERYBODY AGREED ON A SEQUEL ISSUE. IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN. PEOPLE HIRE LAWYERS TO FIND PROBLEMS AND THAT'S, THAT'S NORMAL. AND SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND VICE MAYOR, HE'S GOT, HE'S GOT EXPERIENCE. HE CAN LOOK AT IT, HE CAN HAVE AN OPINION, AND IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT STAFF MADE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DECISION MAKERS. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY WERE THE ARBITERS OF WHAT THEY BELIEVED IN THIS PROJECT. THE PROCESS WORKED. THAT'S THE THING THAT CONFOUNDS ME. OKAY. THE COMMUNITY CAME TOGETHER. YOU GUYS MADE YOUR POSITION KNOWN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND YOU GOT THE PROJECT DENIED THE PROCESS WORKED. MM-HMM . THROUGH THE CHAIR. OKAY. I WASN'T, WASN'T FINISHED WHEN OKAY. HE WENT IN ON THERE, CARLOS. OKAY. CARLOS, DID YOU HAVE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING, MR. AGUIRE I SHOULD SAY? I'M SORRY. I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY PUT IT VERY WELL. I JUST WANTED TO, FOR THE RECORD, UH, WRITE THE FINDING THE, THE STAFF REPORT, WHICH WAS REITERATED AND THE LEVEL OF DILIGENCE AND CLARITY IN NOT ONLY THE 17 PLUS PAGE STAFF REPORT, BUT ALSO ALL OF THE ATTACHMENTS. IT DEFINES THE PROJECT PERFECTLY AND ALL OF THE CHALLENGES IN THE, IN, IN, IN THE PROJECT AND ALL OF THE JUSTIFICATIONS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION. BUT I THINK, UM, AND ADDING TO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T WANNA WASTE YOUR TIME. WE DON'T WANNA WASTE STAFF TIMES. WE DON'T WANNA WASTE THE PUBLIC'S TIME. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT WHEN YOU, YOU HAVE TO GO WITH, WITH THE SENSE OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO, OTHER PROJECTS, ET CETERA, WE HAVE TO WEIGH THAT IN HOW MUCH WE SPEND TIME AND FINDINGS, WE'RE ONTO THE NEXT. IT'S NOT LIKE WE GO BACK TO OUR DESK AND JUST LOOK UP AT THE SKY AND SAY, WHAT, WHAT AM I GONNA DO TODAY? THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE'RE FULLY INVOLVED IN WITH THE SAME LEVEL OF DETAIL AND DILIGENCE THAT WE PUT INTO THIS ONE. BUT JUST TO READ FOR THE RECORD, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, 41 COMMUNITY MEMBERS REGISTERED AN OPINION OF THE PROPOSAL. 37 IN OPPOSITION AND FOREIGN SUPPORT WITH 26 SPEAKERS RAISING CONCERNS RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY, AIR POLLUTION, PUBLIC NUISANCE AND PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOL BEVERAGES FOR OFFSITE CONSUMPTION. [04:10:02] THE RESOLUTION ADOPTED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THE PROJECT BASED ON THE ABOVE MENTIONED FINDINGS. WE WERE DONE, WE WERE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, THAT AS A, AS A PERFECT CONCLUSION TO THE PROCESS THAT WE HAD ENTAILED WITH SO MUCH DILIGENCE AND, AND, AND IN OUR BEST EFFORT AND STAFF'S BEST EFFORT BECAUSE THEY REALLY WORK HARD TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS AS TRANSPARENT AND PUT TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT ANYONE CAN HOPEFULLY UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLICATIONS IN THESE, IN, IN, IN THESE PROJECTS. SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE THAT FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. IF I MAY, CARLOS, DO YOU FEEL THAT THIS IS BEING POLITICIZED, THAT WE ON THE DI ARE POLITICIZING YOU OR STAFF? I JUST, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT ON THE STAFF, ON THE STAFF LEVEL SIDE, IN TERMS OF THE DILIGENCE WE DO, AND IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT, UH, FOR EVERYTHING WE HAVE TO CHALLENGE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A PROCESS AND WE TRY TO, TO BE AS FAIR AND AS DILIGENT AS POSSIBLE. IT'S ALL THERE. IT'S ALL TRANSPARENT. AND, AND, AND, AND I HOPE THAT THAT'S GIVEN WEIGHT IN THE PROCESS. IT'S NOT, AND, AND TO REFLECT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA'S POINT. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT QUASI-JUDICIAL IN THIS PROCESS ON, ON WHAT HAPPENS ABOVE AND BEYOND OUR, OUR PURVIEW. WE JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE INFORMATION WE NEED TO PRESENT AND THE PROCESS WE NEED TO PRESENT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY IS THERE. THANK YOU, CARLOS. AND JUST FOR, I KNOW THE MAYOR HAS SOMETHING TO SAY, BUT I JUST, I REALLY, UH, APPRECIATE THAT. AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, I, MY INTENT IS NOT TO POLITICIZE THIS. I JUST WANT THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND THE QUESTIONS. SO I WASN'T TRYING TO ACCUSE YOU GUYS WRONGDOING, BUT I DID THINK SO. I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE FINDINGS. 'CAUSE I KNOW, I KNOW THOSE DO TAKE TIME. SO I WAS JUST SAYING FOR MOVING FORWARD, EVEN IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE BRIEF, BUT I DO KNOW YOU GUYS WORK HARD AND I, AND I, LIKE, I DO APPRECIATE THE, THE EFFORT THAT WENT IN HERE. AND TO BARRY'S POINT, I DID JUST, IT'S TRUE. IT JUST HAD A DIFFERENT APPROACH ON, ON THE QUA. IF, IF IT WERE TO TEE, IF, IF THE, UH, DENIAL WERE TO TEETER TOTTER ON ONE OR TWO FINDINGS THAT WERE SUBJECTIVE, WE WOULD'VE PROBABLY TAKEN MORE TIME AND DILIGENCE IN EXPLAINING THAT. BUT SINCE THE DENIAL WAS OVERWHELMING AND MM-HMM . PRETTY RESOLUTE, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'VE REPRESENTED. THANK YOU. THROUGH THE CHAIR. I THINK THAT'S WHY WE FOCUS ON THE PROCESSES TODAY. MM-HMM . AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK INTO. AND, AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DILIGENCE FROM STAFF. I KNOW THAT IT GOT CONVOLUTED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THINGS HAPPEN AND I THINK THE PROCESSES THAT WE FOLLOW IS VERY CLEAR THERE. JUST LIKE I SAID, LESSONS LEARNED. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY, BEFORE I MA BEFORE I MAKE MY COMMENTS, I'M GONNA ASK THAT WE, UH, TAKE A VOTE TO CONTINUE BEYOND 10 30, SINCE WE'VE ALREADY BUSTED THAT, BUSTED THROUGH THAT BY 20 MINUTES. SO MOVE MAYOR, WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND AS MR. MAYOR CON, CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT WE STILL HAVE A CLOSED SESSION DISCUSSION AFTER THIS. YEAH. I WOULD ACTUALLY NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BECAUSE I DO THINK WE'RE GONNA TAKE A WHILE ON THAT AS WELL. BUT WE HAVE TO FINISH THIS. DUDE, I, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH MOVING THESE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE LEFT OVER TO THE NEXT AGENDA, AGENDA. WE'RE NOT THIS ITEM EITHER, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE HERE DISCUSSING SOMETHING IMPORTANT MM-HMM . AT MIDNIGHT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A VERY WISE THING TO DO. NO. SO I, I WOULD, I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING OF EXTENDING IT MORE THAN THE CURRENT ITEM THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WELL, I, I, IS THAT PART OF THE, IS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION OKAY. WITH THAT? WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? SIMPLY, SIMPLY EXTEND. YEAH. LET'S SEE WHERE THIS, I THINK THE MOTION WAS TO, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, TO EXTEND IT INDEFINITELY. I, I HEAR YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. I COMMIT TO MOVING AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE ON THE NEXT FEW ITEMS, BUT I THINK I DO EFFICIENTLY. I DO THINK WE'RE GONNA BE HERE AT MIDNIGHT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A VERY WISE THING TO DO, CONSIDERING THE I UNDERSTAND. ON CLOSED SESSION. I TOTALLY DISAGREE, BUT I UNDERSTAND. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL BE HERE TILL MIDNIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. . I DISAGREE. PLEASE, PLEASE VOTE . NO MOTION APPROVE FOUR ONE VOTE WITH RODRIGUEZ VOTING NOW. OKAY. GO TO SLEEP. RIGHT. GO TO SLEEP. YOU CAN LEAVE . OH, ALRIGHT. OKAY GUYS, LET, LET'S JUST CALM DOWN THE CHATTER. ALRIGHT. UM, COUPLE OF THINGS. UM, I, I THINK WE SAW A NUMBER OF THINGS TONIGHT. UH, WE SAW A PICTURE COME IN, COME IN HERE THAT GOT SUPER BLOWN UP OF TWO STAFF WORKERS DOING THEIR JOB. YOU KNOW, NOT KNOWING THE CONTEXT OR ANYTHING ELSE. WE JUST HAD HIM RUN UP AND TAKE A PICTURE OF THEM, THEN HAVE IT BLOWN UP AND ACTUALLY USE THE DEAL AND SAY, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE SKULLDUGGERY WAS THE TERMS HE USED. UH, DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED. AND IT WAS BEING DISCUSSED ABOUT WHO TO, WHO TO TALK TO ABOUT [04:15:01] OUR A DU UH, UH, REQUIREMENTS. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF SHOWS HOW KIND OF CHILDISH THIS CIRCUS, YOU KNOW, UH, CAN BECOME. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THAT BECOMES PROOF, AN EXAMPLE OF SKULLDUGGERY, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT'S COME DOWN TO A LOT OF UNFOUNDED ACCUSATIONS. UH, A LOT OF DISTORTIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND YET STILL, I KNOW WHEN I HAD A NUMBER OF PRESS CONTACT ME THIS WEEKEND, THEY WERE STILL UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS WAS STILL AN ONGOING PROJECT. AND I SAID IT GOT KILLED IN THE FIRST PART OF DECEMBER LAST YEAR. AND, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT. THEY WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THIS WAS STILL ONGOING. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS THING IS JUST LIKE, UH, SOMETHING THAT JUST KEEPS, KEEPS LIVING AND JUST KEEPS GOING. AND YET IT IS NOT BASED ON ANY FACTS, NOT BASED ON ANY EVIDENCE. IT'S JUST BASED ON KEEPING THIS THING ROLLING. AND I KNOW A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE UPSET ABOUT THAT PROJECT, AND YOU PROBABLY SHOULD BE. BUT NOW IT'S WENT BEYOND THAT BECAUSE NOW IT'S WHAT, NOT ONLY THAT PROJECT, BUT NOW THERE'S HAS VENDETTA GOING ON, AND IF YOU'VE GOTTA BE AGAINST THE PROJECT, YOU GOTTA BE FOR THE VENDETTA ALSO. AND IT'S GOTTEN RIDICULOUS AND YOU'RE NOT REALIZING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WAS MENTIONED A WHILE AGO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS, UH, THESE THINGS WERE BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, OF ALL PEOPLE ABOUT JOSIE FLORES CLARK AND MYSELF. WELL, THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD DECADES OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT THIS REGION. EVERYTHING ELSE OF DOING THINGS THE RIGHT WAY AND NOT STEPPING OVER THE BOUNDARIES. AND SO PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS AND THEY GO, GOSH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE DIDN'T NEVER KNEW AT ALL, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN. THAT IS NOT, THAT IS NOT THE EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE GIVEN THROUGH THE DECADES. AND IT HADN'T, IT HADN'T CHANGED ANY WITH THIS. BUT WHAT WE HAVE IS A BUNCH OF UNFOUNDED ACCUSATIONS, PERSONAL ATTACKS AND PERCEPTIONS. MR. MAYOR, MATTER FACT, AND I'M TALKING NOW OVER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND OVER AGAIN. WE REALLY NEED TO GET THIS ITEM. YES, WE DO. OVER MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. BECAUSE YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN YOU SPOKE A WHILE AGO, YOU SAID A NUMBER. YOU GAVE OUT A NUMBER OF ACCUSATIONS THAT ONLY COME FROM ONE SOURCE. YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T CHECK WITH OUR STAFF, YOU DIDN'T CHECK WITH EITHER MYSELF, MS. CLARK. IT WAS ONLY FROM ONE SOURCE, ONE DIRECTION ONLY. AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO AS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, YOU SAID IN THE LAST MEETING THAT PERCEPTIONS WERE WHAT REALLY MATTER. SO WHAT IS THE PERCEPTION OF THAT? YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THEY'VE HIRED A LAW FIRM. WE KNOW THAT THEY'VE HIRED A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR. WE KNOW THAT THEY'VE HIRED A CAMPAIGN, UH, CONSULTANT. I DON'T KNOW THE PERCEPTION COMES AFTER HEARING YOU. ARE YOU ON THAT TEAM TOO? I DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE, WHERE ALL THIS THING GOES. BUT THAT'S THE PERCEPTIONS STUFF. IF WE JUST GO BY PERCEPTION. BUT THIS HAS JUST GONE WAY TOO FAR. IT IS RIDICULOUS THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL RIDING ON THIS TRAIN WITHOUT ANY, ANY EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING AND ALL OF IT BEING ON, OH, HERE'S A PICTURE THAT SHOWS SKULLDUGGERY BECAUSE WE GOT TWO STAFF FOR PEOPLE TALKING TOGETHER. THAT'S THE KIND OF LUNACY THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE THROUGH THE CHAIR. AND, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE, I'VE BEEN ASKED BY, BY PEOPLE ALL OVER THIS COUNTY, WHAT, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS? AND I TELL 'EM, I AM NOT QUALIFIED TO EXPLAIN IT. I'M NOT A PSYCHIATRIST 'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS LCY AND I DON'T SEE HOW THIS IS PRODUCTIVE WHATSOEVER. CALLING THEM CRAZY IS JUST NOT A VERY WISE THING TO DO AT THIS MOMENT. THE CHAIR AND I DO THINK COUNCIL MEMBER, WE ARE A LITTLE TIRED AT THE TIME. OKAY. YEAH. THROUGH THE CHAIR. I, I THINK CAN WE JUST FOCUS ON THE PROCESSES? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THIS REPORT, PLEASE? YEP. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WAS BEFORE WAS THE PROCESS UNTIL WE MADE IT PERSONAL. YES. UM, SO CAN WE, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT PERSONALITIES AND PERSONNEL WILL BE TAKEN UP. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, THAT WE ADDRESS THE PROCESSES BECAUSE WE OWE THAT TO OUR STAFF, PLEASE. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, THAT STAFF UPDATE, UH, COME BACK AND UPDATE THE REPORT, UM, ABOUT THE EXPLANATION THAT YOU GUYS PROVIDED US ABOUT THE CQA, UH, CLASS THREE, TWO EXEMPTION, THE COMMUNICATION, UH, WITH THE MAYOR AND HIS ASSISTANT, AND THEN THE FINDINGS OF DENIAL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT? I SECOND THAT, MAYOR. [04:20:01] SO THEN WE PUT THIS, YOU KNOW, AND WE, WE UPDATE THIS, CORRECT. DO WE, I'LL, I'LL DO THE BEST I CAN REGARDING THE PROCESS AS FAR AS EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. THERE'S NONE OF MY BUSINESS IS WAY ABOVE MY PAY GRADE, SO I'LL DO WHAT? I'LL DO IT AGAIN. I UNDERSTAND. BUT THANK YOU. UM, OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. WE, I THINK TEAM EFFORT. YES. YES. THANK YOU. I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING. NO, I WOULD JUST SAY I'LL HANDLE THAT PART. . THANK YOU. WE'LL WORK TOGETHER ON THAT ONE. THANK YOU. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST LIKE WHAT, UH, OUR CITY, CITY ATTORNEY SAID THAT AS ELECTEDS, OUR CONSTITUENTS COME TO US AND ASK US FOR ASSISTANCE. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT HAPPENED TO ME TODAY. A DEVELOPER CAME TO ME. UM, SO I DID, I DID WHAT I HAVE TO DO. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS DEVELOPER HAS BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M MEAN OUR CHALLENGE WITH CITY MANAGER AND OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. AND SO, UM, WHAT I DID, BECAUSE THE PROJECT IS IN MY DISTRICT, IS TO CALL OUR CITY ENGINEER AND PUT IT TO BED. AND THAT'S WHAT HE DID. THEY WERE ALL THE DEVELOPER SIDE AND ALL OUR SIDE WENT TO ONE BIG ROOM. I SAID, THANK YOU, TAKE CARE OF IT, CITY ENGINEER. AND HE DID. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, CITY ENGINEER FOR TAKING CARE OF THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE ARE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE DO HERE BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF. TAKE CARE OF THE DEVELOPERS WHO BRING ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO OUR CITY. AND OF COURSE, TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE PROTECTED. SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS PROCESS IS, LET'S NOT MODEL IT WITH ANY PERSONAL THINGS OR, OR, UM, PERSONNEL CITY MANAGER. SO AT LEAST THE REQUEST OF, UH, VICE MAYOR WITH THE HELP OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY WILL PUT THIS, UM, REPORT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER. AND THAT FROM THIS WE LEARN OUR LESSONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE DID HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND DO WE HAVE, OKAY. AND THE NAMES ARE ON THERE. OKAY. SEE, NOTHING ELSE, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, [11.3 Discussion on Recommendation to Amend City Council Policy No. 105 ] NEXT WE GO ON TO A DISCUSSION ON THE RECOMMENDATION TO AMEND THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL POLICY NUMBER 1 0 5. SO THIS IS NOT A 1 0 5, THIS IS A DISCUSSION TO AMEND THE POLICY 1 0 5. SO, UM, WITH THAT, UM, STAFF, ANYTHING ON THAT? OR YOU SHOULD, THAT'LL BE ME, MA'AM. OH, YOU WANNA GO FOR THAT? OKAY, MAYOR. UM, I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO TAKE, UH, A CLEAR MIND TO THIS TOPIC. SO I WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE THIS DISCUSSION TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY. I WILL SECOND THAT. THANK YOU FOR THE CONSIDERATION. NOT BEING HERE TILL ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. DON'T DO IT. IT'LL ONLY BE MIDNIGHT . ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO HOLD, HOLD THIS ITEM OVER, UH, TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH WILL BE ON THE 15TH, RIGHT? MM-HMM . YES. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT. UH, ANY OTHER STAFF REPORTS? NO, NO, NO. BUT THIS IS UNDER STAFF REPORTS. OH, THE OTHER THING COMES UNDER ELECTED OFFICIALS REPORTS. UH, CITY MANAGER. I HAVE, I HAVE NONE, MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THAT'S ALL I NEED HERE THEN. [12. CITY MANAGER’S REPORT] CITY MANAGER REPORT. UM, I'LL HAVE NONE. MAYOR, I'LL, I'LL, I HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS TO REPORT ON, BUT I'LL DO IT AT THE NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU. NOW [13. ELECTED OFFICIALS REPORT] WE GO TO ELECTED OFFICIALS REPORT, AND, UH, WE DO HAVE A 1 0 5 REQUEST. THIS IS FOR AN ETHICS POLICY UPDATE. AND, UM, VICE MAYOR BUSH, I'M GONNA BE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. I UNDERSTAND MY COLLEAGUES. IT'S, IT'S LATE AND, AND STAFF. SO, UM, I WANTED TO UPDATE THIS BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE BEEN HAVING, UM, ABOUT ETHICS, ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY. UM, AND I DO THINK WE SHOULD, IT'S OUR ROLE TO BE OVERSIGHT. I I DO AGREE. THERE ARE SOME COMMENTS HERE ABOUT THE CULTURE OF OUR ORGANIZATION, AND I STILL DO THINK IT'S TOO TOP DOWN. IT'S TOO SECRETIVE. I DO THINK ALL OF US NEED TO HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE MORE AND TO HAVE UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS. AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE OF A PROCESS ON, UM, INVESTIGATIONS. AND IT SHOULDN'T BE HERE BECAUSE IT GETS TOO POLITICAL HERE AS WE, AS WE JUST SAW. SO, UM, SO LOOKING AT OUR ETHICS POLICY, WHICH I DO THINK SHOULD BE UPDATED, UH, LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER CITIES DO WITH ETHICS, LIKE HAVING AN ETHICS COMMISSION, WHICH I WOULD LIKE OUR CITY TO EXPLORE. BUT IN THE [04:25:01] MEANTIME, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BODY THAT DOES DO INVESTIGATIONS ON EMPLOYEES AND PERSONNEL MATTERS. THAT'S THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. SO I FELT LIKE THE, THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE ETHICS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE. AND AS WE SAW FROM LAST WEEK'S RULING, UM, THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND, AND TRANSPARENCY, THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT. 'CAUSE THAT COULD, THAT HAS LEGAL AND, AND COST CONSEQUENCES. SO I, I DO THINK IT'S A PRIORITY AND AN ISSUE. UM, SO THAT'S WHY I, UH, PUT THIS FORWARD. I DO ASK THAT, UM, THAT THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION, I CAN'T MAKE, UH, I SPOKE TO THE ATTORNEY TODAY, AND SO WE CAN'T PROVIDE DIRECTION DIRECTLY TO THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION, BUT I WOULD PUBLICLY CALL ON THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION TO EXPLORE THIS AND, AND TAKE THIS UP. SO, UM, IF, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO PUT A MOTION, UM, MY MOTION WOULD BE THAT STAFF CONSIDER, UM, RESEARCH, UM, ETHICS, UH, AND ETHICS COMMISSION, CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION, SOME, UH, UH, ALTERNATIVES, AND SOME POLICY PROPOSALS IN THE MAY. AND THIS COME BACK ON AN AGENDA FOR ALL DISCUSS AND COMING BACK FOR A, A DISCUSSION AT ONE OF THE MAY MEETINGS. OKAY. AFTER EXPLO. SO FOR STAFF TO RESEARCH. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE FOR THE MOTION? I CAN RESTATE IT. OH, YEAH. CC CAN PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND TO, FOR US AND PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND. AND I DID, AND THIS COULDN'T BE ATTACHED ON THE 1 0 5, BUT I DID, UM, EI DID EMAIL, UH, THE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY, UM, MANAGER, THE COPY OF THE, UH, CITY OF SAN DIEGO ETHICS BYLAWS, AND I THINK OUR OWN, UH, CIVIL SERVICE, UM, BYLAWS AS, UM, AS AT LEAST A BASIS FOR, FOR RESEARCH TO COME BACK IN A MAY MEETING. OKAY. SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND WAIT MINUTE, WE GOTTA GET THE BOARD'S NOT CLEAR HERE. CLEARED OFF FROM LAST. THERE WE GO. SO IF WE CAN GET A BUSH, MAKE THE MOTION. IS THERE A PUBLIC COMMENT? WE DO HAVE, ONCE WE GET THE MOTION, THEN WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. YES, WE GOT, WE GOT 'EM RIGHT HERE IN MY HAND. OKAY. UH, DO IT AGAIN. TRY IT AGAIN. JUST DO WE, DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT? JUST AS A FORM OF CLARIFICATION ON THIS, THAT IS NOT WHAT THE REQUEST BE. I DON'T BELIEVE THE MOTION WAS WHAT IS BEFORE US AT THE MOMENT. OKAY. THE MO THE MOTION AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU CAN CORRECT ME, IS TO BRING BACK ONTO A FUTURE AGENDA POSSIBLY IN MAY, UH, FOR AN ETHICS POLICY UPDATE. AND IF STAFF CAN HAVE ANY GENERAL INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH US AT THAT TIME ON DIFFERENT EXAMPLES, UH, UH, THAT ARE DONE. I, I DO THINK IF, IF WE READ IT POINT NUMBER THREE, IT SAYS, EXPLORE AN AMENDMENT TO EXPAND THE POWERS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION TO ACT AS AN ETHICS OVERSIGHT FOR NATIONAL CITY, PROVIDING AN INTERNAL INDEPENDENT BODY FOR ETHICS, OVERSIGHT COMPLAINT REVIEW AND ENFORCEMENT. AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE US. WE CAN'T MODIFY MOTIONS. SO, BRINGING IT BACK, OH, I COULD CLARIFY MY MOTION SO I COULD, UM, I, I, I, I BELIEVE I WAS, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE CAN ONLY VOTE ON WHAT IS BEFORE US AT THE MOMENT. WELL, WE CAN'T MODIFY WHAT'S, 'CAUSE IT ONLY TALKS ABOUT EXPLORING THAT. IS THAT, WELL, WHAT, WHAT IS BEFORE US IS WHAT WE VOTE ON, RIGHT? WELL, THAT IT SAYS EXPLORING AND AMEND. IT DOESN'T SAY EXPLORE IT, IT SAYS EXPLORING, EXPAND THE POWERS OF CIVIL SERVICE. BUT IT GIVES VERY CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHAT THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION WILL DO. BUT THAT'S EXPLORING THAT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THAT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MOTION STATES. SO I CAN RESTATE THE MOTION, IF YOU LIKE, IN THAT CASE. I THINK THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE ANOTHER 1 0 5 REQUEST, WHICH WOULD BE VERY CLEAR. NO, RESTATE THE MOTION TO WHAT THE 1 0 5 REQUEST SAYS. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO THAT? OKAY. SO, SO YOU WILL, EXCUSE ME, MAYOR. YES. THIS 1 0 5 REQUEST IS THE FIRST STEP. YES. SO THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO WHETHER WE WANT TO ADD IT TO AN AGENDA TO DISCUSS IT AT THAT TIME, NOT TO BRING BACK A REPORT AT THAT TIME. IT'S TO DISCUSS IT AT THAT TIME, AND THEN GIVE STAFF DIRECTION IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A REPORT OR IF THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S GOING TO WRITE THE REPORT. OKAY. YEAH. YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN BRING EXAMPLES, WHATEVER, THAT'S FINE. YEAH. SO THE, I'LL, I'LL RESTATE THE MOTION. SO THE MOTION IS FOR STAFF TO COME BACK AT THE MAY COUNCIL MEETING WITH REVIEW OF NATIONAL CITY'S CURRENT ETHICS POLICY, UPDATING THE POLICY TO REFLECT MODERN STANDARDS OF ETHICAL GOVERNMENTS OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY. AND I, I THINK WHAT NOW, I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE GETTING IS, IS THAT NOT WHAT THAT WOULD BE THE, IS THAT NOT THE CORRECT MOTION? THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT MOTION. UH, THIS FIRST ONE IS JUST WHETHER THE COUNCIL WANTS TO ADD IT TO THE NEXT AGENDA TO DISCUSS THE ITEM OR NOT YEAH. BEFORE YOU CREATE A WORK PRODUCT. RIGHT. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, [04:30:01] YEAH. IT'S NOT A WORK PILL YET. . UNDERSTOOD. WILL I MAKE A MOTION TO BRING THIS BACK AT THE MAY MEETING? IS THAT APPROPRIATE FOR DISCUSSION? FOR DISCUSSION? IS THAT APPROPRIATE? OKAY. OKAY. I I WILL VOTE, I WILL HEAR OUT THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES. I WILL VOTE NO ON THE MOTION. UM, WELL, LET'S MAKE SURE I GOT A SECOND TO THAT BEFORE WE DISCUSS THE SURE. DISCUSS THE MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT ONE? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALRIGHT. UH, I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON THIS WHO ARE, UH, GETTING OUT THEIR SLEEPING BAGS. OKAY. UH, PAUL WADOWSKI, UH, FOLLOWED BY ALICIA MORRISON. OKAY. UM, SO I I I'LL BE QUICK. I, I JUST WANNA URGE YOU TO, TO PLEASE, UH, VOTE YES ON THE VICE MAYOR'S, UH, 1 0 5 REQUEST HERE TO EXPLORE OR HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, UPDATING THE, THE CITY'S ETHICS POLICY AND CONSIDERING EXPANDING, UH, THE ROLE OF CIVIL SERVICE. UM, AS, AS THE CHAIR OF CIVIL SERVICE, I, I REALLY WOULD BE ELATED TO POTENTIALLY GET THE CHANCE TO DO LIKE REALLY MEANINGFUL WORK LIKE THAT AND, AND WE'RE EMBARRASSINGLY UNDERUTILIZED RIGHT NOW. AND, UM, SO I'M, I'M SURE FOLKS WOULD WELCOME, UH, THIS KIND OF CHALLENGE. UH, INDEPENDENT ETHICS COMMISSION WOULD ENSURE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND CONTRACT WARS PROJECT APPROVALS, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ALSO JUST RESTORE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE AND GOVERNANCE. UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK TO EXAMPLES AGAIN, LIKE THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO THAT'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR 20 PLUS YEARS. SO PLEASE VOTE YES TO ADVANCE THIS CRITICAL CONVERSATION. OKAY. ALICIA MORRISON TO BE FOLLOWED BY DOYLE MORRISON. UM, I'M ON THE FENCE ON THIS ONE, UH, BECAUSE USUALLY WHEN THERE'S GOVERNMENT, THERE'S AN ACTUAL ETHICS COMMITTEE. UM, SECONDLY, UH, YOUR CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION IS COMPRISED OF FIVE MEMBERS, AND THERE'S CURRENTLY A VACANCY. SO YOU ONLY HAVE FOUR PEOPLE, SO YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PROBABLY GET A, A, A VALID VOTE. AND SECONDLY, ACCORDING OR THIRDLY, ACCORDING TO THE MADDIE ACT, UH, LOCAL APPOINTMENTS LISTS, UH, 2024. THIS ISN'T EVEN AN ACCURATE LIST. YOU HAVE PEOPLE LISTED ON HERE THAT ARE NO LONGER, UM, COM UH, COMMISSIONS SUCH AS YOUR PORT COMMISSIONER. IT STILL HAS LISTED AS A A, A SANDY NAJARO. AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, IT HAS A, A WELLINGTON CLAY, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S NOT ACCURATE INFORMATION AND YOU GUYS REALLY NEED TO UPDATE THINGS IN ORDER FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE PROPER INFORMATION. ALRIGHT. DOYLE MORRISON, WE FOLLOWED BY, IS RANDY CASTLE SALGADO STILL HERE? SHE WAS THERE JUST A MOMENT AGO. WE OKAY. WE LOST HER. OKAY. UM, THEN, UH, DOYLE, UH, DOY, WE, NO. OKAY. UH, ED RANO . IT'S YOU, MR. NIETO. THERE'S ANOTHER NIETO . YEAH. UH, YEAH, YEAH. DOYLE DOYLE. DECIDE NOT TO SPEAK . WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY HAVE TO WANT TO HEAR THIS SUBJECT IN ORDER TO STAY HERE THIS LATE. THANK YOU, SIR. I GOTTA KNOW, I, I GOTTA THINK ABOUT WHY AM I EVEN HERE? YOU KNOW, , THANK YOU. BUT OKAY. UM, , HERE'S THE THING. UM, THERE'S SO MANY REASONS WHY THIS SHOULD PASS. YOU KNOW, I COULD GO INTO A LONG DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF ALL THE REASONS WHY, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, DEEP DOWN IN YOUR HEARTS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEGGING TO BE DISCUSSED AND PUT FORTH. MY CONCERN IS THIS IS THE WHOLE UNDERLYING, THE WHOLE COMMONALITY BEHIND ALL THIS IS THERE'S BEEN NUMEROUS, UH, APPEARANCES OF IMPROPRIETY. IT'S JUST EATING AWAY AT THE PUBLIC'S TRUST. LOOK, LOOKING AT YOU. A LOT OF PEOPLE COME UP HERE TODAY AND JUST CAN SEE THE, THE ANGUISH ON YOUR FACE AND DEALING WITH EACH OTHER AND THE STAFF. THE STAFF LOOKS AT YOU TOO. YOUR WORKERS LOOK AT YOU, AND IT'S PERMEATING AND IT'S, IT'S, SO ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, UM, WHERE YOU GOTTA STRAIGHTEN IT OUT. OTHERWISE, YOU'RE GONNA KEEP ON HAVING THESE PROBLEMS. THAT'S WHY YOU NEED THIS. OKAY. [04:35:01] THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YES. WOULD THE MAKER OF THE MOTION CONSIDER BRINGING BACK THE ITEM, BUT ASKING FOR A INDEPENDENT ETHICS COMMISSION? NOT THE CIVIL SERVICE TO SERVICE? I THOUGHT WE COULDN'T AMEND THE MOTION. NO, NO, NO. WOULD THE MAKER OF THE MOTION CONSIDER A BRINGING FORWARD A 1 0 5 REQUEST THAT WOULD SAY I'M OPEN TO IT ALL. I'M OPEN TO IT ALL, BUT NOT TO AMENDING MY MOTION. BUT I, BUT I THINK THAT COULD BE BROUGHT PROCEDURALLY, RIGHT? WELL, SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN INDEPENDENT ETHICS COMMISSION, RIGHT? YES. I THINK, I THINK AGREE. I THINK IN THE MOTION, IT'S, IT'S SAYING THAT, UH, THAT THAT'S MY INTENT. MY INTENT IS TO BRING BACK CONSIDERATION OF THAT. I THINK AN ETHICS, WE'RE GETTING INTO THE DETAILS OF THE DISCUSSION. YES. YEAH. BUT I, I'M OPEN TO THAT JUST WITHOUT THE, THE, THE ISSUE FOR ME IS, AS STATED EARLIER, IT'S NOT, FIRST OFF, IT'S NOT CLEAR. I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THERE WAS THREE COMMISSIONERS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS ONLINE FOR CIVIL SERVICE. UM, NOT FOR, AND THE FACT THAT WE DON'T, AND, AND PAUL I KNOW IS CURRENTLY THE CHAIR, BUT HE'S NOT PLACED AS CHAIR. UM, UH, SO I HAVE ISSUES WITH EXPLICITLY STATING AS THIS 1 0 5 DOES, THAT THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION EX WILL BE EXPLORING CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION TO ACT AS AN ETHICS COMMISSION FOR THE CITY. I DO THINK IT WOULD BE WISE CONSIDERING ALL OF THE POLITICAL DYNAMICS TO CONSIDER A REAL INDEPENDENT ETHICS COMMISSION LED BY COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT LOPSIDED, MY FRIENDS OR YOUR FRIENDS, OR THIS OR THAT. SO I THINK WE'RE GETTING INTO DISCUSSION OF IT, BUT NO, THIS IS WHY I ACTUALLY WON VOTE ON LOOKING MEETING. I'LL PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT, BUT I, I, I DO THINK THAT IF THE INTENT IS TRULY TO BRING AN ETHICS COMMISSION, I'M OPEN TO THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION IS THAT. THEN YOU CAN, WHEN WE DISCUSS IT, YOU COULD SAY THAT AT THE FUTURE MEETING AND CAN PROVIDE YOUR IDEAS. I THINK, I THINK, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE WRONG. I THINK YOU POINT THE 1 0 5 JUST SAYS FOR THE CHAIR, EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY. SO THAT ALLOWS YOU TO SAY, IF THIS POSSIBILITY DOESN'T WORK, YOU CAN LOOK AT OTHER THINGS. SO, SO IT'S OPEN ENOUGH. OKAY. UH, SO THAT PART, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS THROUGH THE CHAIR NOT DISCUSSING, BUT AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, I, IN COUNCIL YOU SAID WE CANNOT CHANGE ANYTHING. WE JUST HAVE TO, THAT'S WHY THAT 1 0 5 FROM COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ DIED BECAUSE WE CANNOT CHANGE ANYTHING. OR WE DIDN'T APPROVE FOR IT TO BE ON THE, UH, ON THE, UM, ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE DID NOT AGREE WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, LANGUAGE. SO I DON'T AGREE WITH THE LANGUAGE ON SOME HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO KILL THIS AND MAKE ANOTHER 1 0 5. YOU CAN VOTE THE QUESTION. YOU CAN VOTE TO DO THAT. YOU CAN, YOU CAN VOTE NO CALL THE QUESTION. OKAY. LET ME, LET ME, UM, WHY ARE YOU GETTING ANGRY? COUNCIL MEMBER? I'M JUST TRYING TO TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME. 'CAUSE IT'S LATE. IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE THAT WAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ANOTHER FINAL POINT. WHY? I WILL CALL THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION THE QUESTION MEANS THAT FOUR PEOPLE HAVE TO VOTE. QUESTION MR. MAYOR TO CALL THE QUESTION MAYOR, CAN I, CAN I PLEASE, UM, JUST STATE, LOOK, I DO BELIEVE WE ALL AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE AN ETHICS COMMISSION. OKAY? YEAH. WELL, THIS MOTION THOUGH, EXPLORES THE SPECIFIC OF CIVIL SERVICE. SO IF, IF I THINK I, I WOULD BE MORE THAN OPEN MARCUS TO, UH, UH, VICE MAYOR TO HAVE A ANOTHER 1 0 5 REQUEST COME. UM, ASKING FOR THE ETHICS COMMISSION TO BE ON THERE. AND THE REASON I STATE THAT, AND I DON'T WANNA BE TOO OPEN ABOUT THIS, BUT MAY I, I MEAN, IT'S KAT'S OUTTA THE BAG. ANYWAY, LOOK, THEY, THESE ARE TEXT MESSAGES THAT I RECEIVE MESSAGES FROM ELECTION DAY FROM PAUL WADOWSKI AND CRITICIZING US, CRITICIZING CINDY, CALLING HER A MANUFACTURED CANDIDATE, STATING THAT I HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY, NEOLIBERAL PARTY OBLIVION. MY NEXT JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU AREN'T MAYOR. UH, SO WE CAN DISCUSS TO GO WEIRD HOW THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN. SO JOSE, WE CAN DIS LEADERSHIP OF THE DEMOCRATIC CLUB AGENDA, BUT THIS HAS NOTHING. AND ATTENDING A DEMOCRATIC CLUB, JOSE, WE'RE GONNA VOTE FROM THE ACTUAL MEETING. YOU'RE ARGUING. YOU'RE ARGUING. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT ON THE AGENDA YOU GUYS PUT FORTH IS NOT ACTUAL HONEST. OKAY? IF YOU GUYS WANT AN ETHICS COMMISSION, GET AN ETHICS COMMISSION. YOU KNOW THAT PAUL IS NOT AN OBJECTIVE PERSON. OKAY? AND YOU'RE PUTTING IT FORWARD. NO, I'M PUTTING IT FOR THE, NO, JOSE, I'M PUTTING THIS FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. THIS ISN'T ABOUT ONE INDIVIDUAL, JOSE. AND IF YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT ETHICS, LIKE YOU CLAIMED EARLIER, CALL IN, THEN YOU CAN SUPPORT IT. BRING END OF DISCUSSION. VOTE EVERYONE. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT'S, WE'RE PUTTING IT UP. VOTE, VOTE NO. VOTE OF YOUR THAT'S OKAY. VOTE, VOTE NOW. COULD YOU, THAT'S OKAY. VOTE NO. COULD PLEASE SET IT UP SO THAT WE CAN VOTE HERE. OKAY. THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. THERE'S A MOTION BY BUSH, A SECOND BY MOLINA. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIED BY THREE TO TWO VOTE WITH YAMANI AND RODRIGUEZ VOTING. NO. ALRIGHT, THAT WILL GO ON HOPEFULLY IN MAY. WE WILL GET THAT ONE IN NOW. THEN LET'S GO. UH, WE HAVE ELECTED [04:40:01] OFFICIALS REPORT. I'M GONNA START DOWN AT THIS END. ANY REPORTS THAT YOU HAVE. UM, I REALLY WANNA THANK STAFF THAT IS STILL HERE TILL 1115 AND LIKELY HERE TILL MIDNIGHT, SOME OF US. UM, THIS JOB IS VERY DIFFICULT AND CONTENTIOUS, AND I WISH WE COULD JUST DO THE WORK ON BEHALF OF OUR COMMUNITY. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS JUST WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. AND, UH, SO I REALLY WANNA COMMEND YOUR EFFORTS, ASK YOU TO KEEP IN GOOD SPIRITS. UH, THANK YOU FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT CAME OUT AND SPOKE ON A WIDE RANGE OF ISSUES. I FIND IT CRITICAL AND IMPORTANT, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT YESTERDAY WAS, UH, CSAP CHAVEZ, UH, BIRTHDAY AND CSAP CHAVEZ WAS A HISTORICAL FIGURE. UM, IS A HISTORICAL FIGURE, UH, WITHIN THE CALIFORNIA LABOR MOVEMENT AND THE CHICANO MOVEMENT. VERY CRITICAL AND IMPORTANT TO MOVE, UH, NOT JUST WORKER LEGISLATION, BUT CIVIL RIGHTS WITHIN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. SO I DO BELIEVE THAT, UH, HIS LEGACY SHOULD BE HONORED AND SHOULD BE EMULATED AS WE CONTINUE DOING FORWARD AS PUBLIC SERVANTS IN OUR COMMUNITY. ANI UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, JUST WANTING TO REMIND EVERYONE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL ON APRIL 19TH, NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL MEETING. I THINK WE'RE PREPARING FOR THAT. IT'S ALSO, UH, UH, A KIND OF A BUDGET STUDY, UM, IN DISTRICT THREE AS WELL AS A CLEANUP. UM, ON THAT DAY, SAME DAY, UM, APRIL 19TH AT EL TOON. THAT WILL BE THE LAST TIME WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO, UM, USE THAT FACILITY OR THE PARK BECAUSE, UM, THERE IS ALREADY A SCHEDULE TO, UM, UH, CLOSE THE PARK FOR, UH, HUGE RENOVATION. AND ALSO AT THAT TIME, UM, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE OUR, UH, GROUNDBREAKING CEREMONY FOR, FOR THE, UM, FOR THE, UM, PARK, UH, RENOVATION OR REPAIR. ALSO AS, UM, SINCE I WAS ELECTED IN OFFICE, I ALREADY SAID TO MY CONSTITUENTS AND TO EVERYONE, I HAVE A OPEN DOOR POLICY. SO CITY MANAGER, I WOULD NOT LIKE TO HEAR ANYONE FROM OUR STAFF THAT SAYS, UM, ONE OF YOUR DIRECTORS WILL SAY THEY, THEY CANNOT TALK TO ME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, MEMBER MALIA. THANK YOU. UH, I JUST WANNA THANK STAFF FOR STICKING WITH US, UH, AND APOLOGIZE PROFUSELY, FOR THE MESS THAT THE, THIS LAST HALF HOUR OF THE MEETING HAS BEEN. SO THANK YOU. YEAH, JUST WANNA THANK EVERYONE AND YEAH, I AGREE. IT'S MESSY, BUT THAT'S DEMOCRACY AND I'M GLAD WE HAD THESE UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS AND GOT A LOT DONE. AND YES, MEMBER YAMANI, I ALSO HAVE HEARD, UH, DIRECTORS TELLING STAFF NOT TO TALK TO US. AND I JUST, AND I THOUGHT I'VE ALREADY SAID THIS PUBLICLY, BUT I WANNA ENCOURAGE, LIKE EVERYONE AGAIN, PLEASE DO NOT TELL YOUR STAFF OR YOUR EMPLOYEES THAT THEY CAN'T TALK TO US. THEY ABSOLUTELY CAN TALK TO US. AND IF YOU'RE TELLING, IF ANYONE IS TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO TALK TO US, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE COVERING SOMETHING UP IN A PUBLIC, UM, AGENCY. SO IF THAT'S HAPPENING, I'VE HEARD REPORTS OF THAT HAPPENING. LIKE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI SAID, SO I'M NOT ACCUSING ANYONE SPECIFICALLY, I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE THAT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF CULTURE THAT WE SHOULD, UH, PROMOTE. BUT I APPRECIATE EVERY, EVERYONE AND EVERYONE. HERE'S HARD WORK AND YEAH, LET'S KEEP IT UP. ALRIGHT. AND, UH, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING US PUT YOU THROUGH ALL THIS PAIN AND SUFFERING AND, UH, THIS EVENING. AND, UH, BUT ANYWAY, UH, WORK GOES ON. UH, [14. CITY ATTORNEY REPORT] AT THIS POINT WE WILL GO WITH, UH, THE, UH, UM, CITY ATTORNEY'S REPORT ON, UH, THE FIRST HALF OF OUR CLOSED SESSION. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE GOING BACK INTO CLOSED SESSION IMMEDIATELY UPON THIS POINT. SURE. THE CHAIR BEFORE THAT, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO GREET ALL THE APRIL, UH, BIRTHDAY, UM, PEOPLE. HAPPY BIRTHDAY. THAT INCLUDED YOU, MR. MAYOR. FINALLY TURNING 21. THEY, THEY'RE PROBABLY STILL GONNA BE CARDING ME. OKAY. [Additional Item] OKAY. SO THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR CLOSED SESSION AGENDA WAS THE CUMMINS VERSUS, UH, CITY OF NATIONAL CITY CASE. UM, AND THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY ACKNOWLEDGES THE JURY'S VERDICT IN THAT CASE INVOLVING ASHLEY CUMMINS, WHEREIN MS. CUMMINS WAS AWARDED $10 MILLION IN DAMAGES FOLLOWING CLAIMS OF HARASSMENT AND DISCRIMINATION. THE CITY IS EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE OUTCOME AND IS CURRENTLY REVIEWING ALL OF THE LEGAL OPTIONS, INCLUDING A POSSIBLE APPEAL. THE CITY REMAINS COMMITTED TO ENSURING A FAIR AND INCLUSIVE WORKPLACE FOR ALL EMPLOYEES AND WILL CONTINUE TO UPHOLD THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF PROFESSIONALISM WITHIN [04:45:01] THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. NOTWITHSTANDING THE CITY'S DISAPPOINTMENT, THE CITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL CAREFULLY ASSESS THE VERDICT AND DETERMINE WHAT LESSONS CAN BE LEARNED. THE CITY WILL CONTINUE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO SUPPORT A WORKPLACE CULTURE THAT VALUES RESPECT AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL. THAT'S WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WITH THAT, WE WILL ADJOURN THE COUNCIL MEETING AND THEN WE WILL PROCEED TO GO BACK INTO CLOSED SESSION. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.