* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Library Board on March 5, 2025.] [00:00:06] WE HAVE RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THE MEMBER CINDY LOPEZ. A NEED TO PARTICIPATE IN MOTION FOLLOWING THE REQUIREMENTS OF 8 2 4 4 9. WHO MUST CONFIRM THERE IS A FORUM PRESENT IN THE LARGE CONFERENCE ROOM. MEMBER LOPEZ IS PRESENT VIA ZOOM. MEMBER LOPEZ, PLEASE ADDRESS THE BOARD TO FIRST CONFIRM THAT YOU CAN BE HEARD AND SEEN THAT YOU CAME HERE AND SEE THE GUYS. YES, I CONFIRM. THANK YOU. UM, MEMBER LOPEZ, CAN YOU PROVIDE A GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES RELATING TO THE NEED TO APPEAR REMOTELY? ARE YOU CLAIMING YOUR ABSENCE UNDER JUST CAUSE OR EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCE? YES. UH, I AM SICK WITH A COLD AND COUGH, UM, FOR A FEW DAYS NOW, SO I DIDN'T WANNA APPEAR IN PERSON. SO YOU'RE CLAIMING YOUR ABSENCE UNDER JUST CAUSE? YES. SO SHE'S JUST, OKAY. UH, MEMBER LOPEZ, IS THERE ANYONE OVER THE AGE OF 18 YEARS OF AGE PRESENT AT REMOTE LOCATION WITH YOU? NO. THANK YOU. AND, UM, OKAY. MEMBERS AT THIS TIME, MS. GI WILL TAKE THE ROLL CALL, VOTE. MM-HMM . OKAY. MM-HMM . UM, WE'LL START WITH MARGARET. HERE. JOS ANN? HERE. NADIA HERE. TRISSY AND CINDY, UH, PRESENT. THANK YOU. WE'LL NOW BEGIN THE MARCH 5TH, 2025 REGULAR BOARD OF THE LIBRARY TRUSTEE MEETINGS. AND WE DID ALREADY BEFORE THE ROLL CALL. SO PUBLIC COMMERCE, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO. OKAY. THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ONE SECOND. DO YOU MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? UM, DID YOU WISH TO SET ASIDE ANY OF THE ITEMS OR THE WHOLE CONSENT AGENDA? UH, AGENDA. MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. I'LL SECOND. SECOND. WE SECONDED TO CONSENT. AGENDA ROLL CALL PLEASE. ALL MARGARET? AYE. SUZANNE? AYE. LYDIA. AYE. CINDY. AYE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL GO ON TO NEW UN FINISHED BUSINESS AND OUR CITY CLERK AND LOOKING CITY ATTORNEY, SHALL WE? CHAPEL? CHAPEL. SORRY. I WE'RE USUALLY LAST AND ASKED THEM, UH, LEAD OUR DISCUSSION ON OUR BYLAWS. NO, THAT CONSENT. I THINK IT WAS THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD AS THE FIRST. SORRY. AND THEN THE BYLAWS ARE THE SECOND. OKAY. SO, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME UP. UH, ONE OF 'EM, FOR EXAMPLE IS THE WARRANTS. AND WE APPROVE THE WARRANTS HERE. UM, THE BYLAWS THAT WE HAVE, SAY WE DETERMINE EXPENDITURES, THE LIBRARY TRUST FUND, AND THAT'S LIBRARY TRUST FUNDS. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE TO DO WITH THE LIBRARY BOARD. UM, I BELIEVE THE, I AM NOT SURE IF ALL OF THE BILLS ARE PAID BEFORE WE APPROVE THE WARRANTS. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE A DISCUSSION ON THAT PROCESS AND PURPOSE OF THAT PROCESS OF APPROVE THE WARRANT . AND ALSO, UM, THE FREQUENCY OF OUR MEETINGS IN OUR BYLAWS, IT SAYS EVERY MONTH. SO WE WANTED TO CHANGE THAT. THAT WOULD REQUIRE, I BELIEVE, A CHANGE IN THE BYLAWS FOR US TO DO THAT, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, [00:05:03] AND THEN, UH, THERE WAS JUST A GENERAL QUESTION OF THE CALIFORNIA EDUCATION CODE AND HOW THAT PERTAINS TO, UH, A LIBRARY SUCH AS OURS AND HOW WE CAN USE THAT TO GUIDE OUR WORK AS A BOARD OF TRUSTEES. THINGS THAT WERE ON MY MIND, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAD QUESTIONS ADDRESS THOSE. UM, I CAN START, YOU'RE PROBABLY MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE WARRANTS A LITTLE ABOUT THE PROCESS MM-HMM . THAT YOU GO THROUGH WITH THE, BUT I CAN ADDRESS THE OTHER, OTHER MEETINGS AND THE EDUCATION CODE. OKAY. UM, YOU WANNA START WITH THAT FIRST? SO, PER STATE LAW UNDER THE CALIFORNIA EDUCATION CODE, OUR LIBRARY IS SET UP UNDER THAT CODE SECTION. AND I, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I THINK IT'S, UM, IS IT 87 8 7 1 0 0 6? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE ARE, ARE, WE'RE, WE'RE SET UP UNDER THAT MUNICIPAL, UH, THAT EDUCATION CODE. SO THAT WILL GUIDE HOW YOU, THE MEETINGS ARE RUN YOUR, YOUR DUTIES AND THE MEETING. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CODE SECTION SAYS THAT THE LIBRARY BOARD OF TRUSTEES SHALL MEET ONCE A MONTH. SO THAT MEANS THAT YOU MUST MEET ONCE A MONTH. OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S NO QUORUM OR THERE'S NO AGENDA ITEMS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MEET. UM, BUT YOU, PER MY REVIEW AND RESEARCH, YOU CANNOT CHANGE THAT. YOU SEE. SO THAT'S, THAT WILL HAVE TO REMAIN A MONTHLY MEETING. OKAY. SO, YES. AND I DON'T, I DON'T, AND IT'S IN OUR MUNICIPAL CODE AND I THINK IT'S REMAINED IN THE BYLAWS. WE DID NOT CHANGE, WE DID NOT CHANGE THAT. SO, BUT THE, I FROM MY REVIEW, THE BYLAWS AND OUR MUNICIPAL CODE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EDUCATION CODE AND IT DOES CORRECTLY IDENTIFY YOUR ROLES AND YOUR DUTIES AS THE LIBRARY BOARD. UM, I DID NOT FIND ANY INCONSISTENCIES, UM, BETWEEN THE TWO. AND THEN OUR ANNUAL REPORT ALSO GOES TO THE STATE. YES, IT DOES. THE ANNUAL LIBRARIAN REPORT AUGUST, CORRECT? YES. MM-HMM . THANK MM-HMM . AND THEN AS FAR AS THE WARRANT REGISTERS, UM, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE THE WARRANTS BEFORE THEY'RE PAID IT. IT CAN BE DONE AFTERWARDS, BUT THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY. THAT SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN OFF THE AGENDA. RIGHT. AS PART OF OUR DUE RIGHT. YOU CAN, YEAH. YOU JUST APPROVE THAT THE WARRANTS WERE PAID AND YOU APPROVE OF THE EXPENDITURES, BUT IT IS AFTER THE FACT. SO SOME THINGS THAT HAD COME UP, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTOOD HOW THOSE OKAY. HOW WE SHOULD GO FORWARD WITH THOSE. WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD? NO, CINDY, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WELL, THANK YOU. I I THINK IT HELPS. I, I, I KNOW, UM, BECAUSE TO MEETING TO JUST BETTER A LITTLE TIME, BUT, UM, IT HELPS I THINK FOR US TO, TO KNOW THIS AS A BOARD THAT WHERE WE STAND ON THESE THINGS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING BOTH OF YOU. YEAH, OF COURSE. AND I'LL GIVE YOU MY CARD SO YOU CAN REACH OUT FOR ME ALSO. THANK YOU. BECAUSE I TYPICALLY HANDLE LIBRARY. SORRY. THERE YOU GO. AND CINDY, I CAN GIVE YOU ONE WHEN I SEE YOU. . DANNY, DO YOU WANNA GO OVER THE CHANGES THAT YOU PROPOSED? UM, SO WE, SO WE CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE SIMPLIFIED. WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, CHANGING THE BYLAWS. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2021, SO IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS. UM, YEAH, , SO SARAH'S PROVIDED YOU WITH THE RED LIGHT VERSION, WHICH HAS THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE. UM, THERE'S JUST A FEW CHANGES AND THIS MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR AS TO WHAT THE BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR AND WHAT THE LIBRARY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OR THE LIBRARY. UM, SO BECAUSE THE EXPENDITURES ARE, CAN BE WARRANTS TO BE GROUPED AFTER THE FACT, WE, UM, UPDATED IT. SO YOU WOULD BE GETTING A QUARTERLY REPORT AS OPPOSED TO EVERY CYCLE. THAT WAY YOU GET A BIG CHUNK OF THINGS FOR YOU GUYS TO DISCUSS AND LOOK AT AND APPROVE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING IT BEING EVERY SINGLE MONTH WHERE THERE MIGHT BE ONE ITEM AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, 30 ITEMS. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN? I'M SORRY. UM, SO THE, SOME OF THE CHANGES ARE IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, THE NEW BYLAWS THAT ARE, WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU, UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING A APPROVAL WARRANT EVERY SINGLE MONTH, [00:10:01] UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED THEM APPROVED BEFOREHAND, UM, WE'LL HAVE, INSTEAD OF A, UM, MONTHLY, WE'LL HAVE A QUARTERLY REPORT. SO THAT WAY YOU'LL GET A BIG CHUNK OF ITEMS THAT WE'RE REPORTING TO YOU. ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE FOUR EXCEPT ONE MONTH, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING ONE OR TWO ITEMS FOR EACH ONE. UM, IF I CAN RESPOND TO THAT, I, I PREFER TO HAVE IT EVERY MONTH. I THINK THAT HELPS US KEEP A PULSE ON THINGS, KEEP ABREAST. IT BRINGS US TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT EXPENDITURES ARE HAPPENING. SO I REALLY HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT WE CONTINUE THIS MONTHLY REPORT AND MONTH, THE MONTHLY MEETINGS, BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING IF THERE'S NO AGENDA, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING. AND THEN IF THERE'S NO LIBRARY, THERE'S NO WARRANT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE UNTIL A QUARTERLY, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE PUT OUR MEETINGS OFF, POSSIBLY QUARTERLY. AND I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT. I WANNA SEE US CONTINUE TO HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS. I DUNNO HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT. I AGREE. ALSO AGREE. UM, THE OTHER CHANGES, UM, THAT WE MADE WERE, I PUT IN A SPECIFIC, UM, LINE ITEM ABOUT THE CITY LIBRARIAN. SO THIS WAY IT'S VERY CLEAR WHAT MY RESPONSIBILITY IS AND THEN WHAT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY IS. SO ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EMPLOYEE SUPERVISING OF THE STAFF, MANAGING THE LIBRARY COLLECTION, IMPLEMENTING PROGRAMMING, OVERSEEING DAILY OPERATION, AND ENSURING WE'RE ADHERING TO POLICIES AND PROCEDURE AND THE BOARD SERVICES AND ADVISORY, UH, CAPACITY TO PROVIDE SUPPORT AND GUIDANCE IN THESE AREAS. SO THAT WAY IT'S CLEAR, YOU KNOW, WHO DOES WHAT AND THERE'S NOT KIND OF A GRAY AREA LIKE WE'VE HAD PREVIOUSLY. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEMS, AND YOU CAN SEE AS THE RED, UH, RED LINES, THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT ASHLYN ADDED. UM, THEY'RE JUST TO COMPLY WITH, UM, THE LAW THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING. AND ASHLYN YEAH, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. SO IT IS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH COUNCIL POLICY 1 0 7. UH, FIRST THEY'RE KIND OF OLD. THE, THE COUNCIL HAS CHANGED. THEY FOLLOW ROSENBERG'S RULE OF ORDER, NOT ROBERT'S RULES ANYMORE. SO JUST UPDATING THAT TO BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD. AND THEN THE ATTENDANCE POLICY. SO THE COUNCIL HAS IMPLEMENTED COUNCIL POLICY 1 0 7, WHICH APPLIES TO ALL COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS FOR THE CITY. AND THEY HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC ATTENDANCE POLICY OUTLINED IN THEIR POLICY. SO WE ARE GOING THROUGH AND MAKING ALL THE COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNCIL POLICY BASED ON WHAT THEIR, THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. SO THAT'S REFLECTED HERE. THIS IS BASICALLY COPIED FROM THE COUNCIL POLICY 1 0 7 AND ROSENBERG'S UNION ORDER, WHICH COULD JUST BE FOUND ONLINE. YES, IT COULD BE FOUND ONLINE. THE LEAGUE OF CITIES HAS IT. IT'S A VERY LITTLE BOOKLET. UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE EASIER THAN ROBERT'S RULES, BUT SOMETIMES BECAUSE IT'S EASIER, IT'S NOT AS CLEAR, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE LAW CAN BE GRAY, BUT YEAH, ROSENBERG'S IS WHAT THE COUNCIL'S BEEN USING FOR A WHILE. AND SO, UM, I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY, YOU CAN PRINT IT ONLINE FOR FREE, I THINK FROM THE CITIES. AND THEN THOSE WERE THE ONLY CHANGES WE REALLY MADE. SO IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE, PUTTING THAT IN SO WE KNOW THE RULES OF, YOU KNOW, UM, THE POSITIONS. AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN, IF YOU, WE DO ON A MONTHLY REPORT, WE CAN CHANGE IT TO A, UM, YOU KNOW, TRUST FUND PRESENT A MONTHLY REPORT TO AND WHERE IS THAT? THAT'S JUST THE VERY FINAL ONE. THE EXPENDITURES OF THE LIBRARY TRUST FUNDS. WE'LL BE PRESENTED. I SAID IN A, UH, THAT WAS, UH, QUARTERLY FINAL REPORT. THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE. SO THAT SHOULD BE READ. REALLY? 'CAUSE THAT'S TION, RIGHT? I DID I, THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED IT TO YOU. I SAID THAT WAS ONE OF THE, THE CHANGES WE MADE. OKAY. SO WOULD WE HAVE, WE WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THESE, THESE ARE THE PRESENTED BYLAWS TO YOU. YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR SUGGESTIONS, WE CAN MAKE THE CHANGES. YOU WOULD VOTE IF YOU APPROVE THEM IN, THEN WE DO THE NEXT STEPS AND SET THEM TO COUNCIL. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE OUT THE QUARTERLY AND YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE GONNA MONTHLY, YOU'LL CHANGE THAT TO NUMBER YES. BYLAWS. NO, I MEAN, THESE ARE NOT AN EFFECT. WHAT IS THE CURRENT, UM, LAW WHEN A MEMBER HAS BEEN SHOWN UP SEVERAL MEETINGS [00:15:01] IN A ROW. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S THE POLICY BASE. YEAH. SO THIS CURRENTLY, I THINK FOR LIBRARY BOARD WAS FOURTH. FOUR MEETINGS. I THINK FOUR I THINK IS FOUR. YES. AND SO NOW IT'S THREE CONSECUTIVE UNEXCUSED. MM-HMM. UM, AND THEN 25%, IF YOU MISS 25% OF THE MEETINGS, WHETHER EXCUSED OR UNEXCUSED MM-HMM . AND IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC REMOVAL THAT IT'LL JUST GO TO COUNCIL AND THEN COUNCIL WILL REVIEW AND THEN THEY'LL MAKE THE DECISION. UM, YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A SICKNESS OR SOMETHING, THE COUNCIL CAN BE, YOU KNOW, THE ULTIMATE DECIDER OF WHAT HAPPENS. THEN TWICE A YEAR, I TAKE THE ATTENDANCE REPORT TO COUNCIL THAT FOR ALL THE BOARD AND COMMISSIONS. SO THEY HAVE A PULSE ON, ON THE ATTENDANCE. AND SO IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES, I BRING 'EM UP AT THAT TIME UNLESS THERE'S A, A QUORUM ISSUE AND THEN I CAN BRING IT TO THEM. OKAY? MM-HMM . AND THE, UM, THE BINDER HAS THE ORIGINAL BYLAW. IT'S IN THE, IT IS I, ONE OF THE TAB, ONE OF THE TABS IS THE BYLAWS. YEAH. YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL HALF THE BYLAWS WITH ALL, ALL THE TIME. AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO SUGGEST CHANGES TOO IF YOU WANT, LIKE MM-HMM. THAT'S NOT INCONSISTENT. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO LOOK AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS IF YOU LIKE. AND ALSO IF YOU WANTED MORE TIME, YOU COULD ALWAYS CONTINUE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING MM-HMM . SO YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AND THEN, THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING YOU CAN DISCUSS IT, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR THOUGHTS IF YOU'D LIKE. THAT'S ALSO AN OPTION AS WELL. I THINK I'M OKAY ON THIS IF YOU WANTED TO. YEAH. CINDY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT MEETING OR I THINK YOU READY TO VOTE? UH, YES. I WASN'T AWARE WE WERE GONNA MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THE BYLAWS. SO I WOULD UM, MOTION THAT WE TABLE TO THE NEXT MEETING TABLE. UH, A SECOND. THE MOTION MOVE. SECOND TO MOTION, UH, THE, UM, DISCUSSION AND APPROVAL OF THE BYLAWS. UNTIL NEXT MEETING, MARGARET. AYE. JUST AYE. NAIA. AYE. OH, AYE. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS BRINGING US UP TO DATE. GET, IF YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE ON COMPLIANCE AND I THINK IF THAT'S ALL WE CAN GO, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO, OR YOU CAN SAY, I CAN SAY IT'S FINE. , WE'RE ALMOST DONE. YES. NOT TOO MUCH. WE'RE GONNA LISTEN TO YOU NOW. THIS NEW LIBRARIAN. YEAH. CITY LIBRARY. ALRIGHT, SO WE JUST HAD A COUPLE THINGS. UM, SO, UH, AS MICKEY MENTIONED THE LAST MEETING, NATIONAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE JOINING US OR STARTED JOINING US AT THE MEETING OF FEBRUARY. SO THEY'VE BEEN THERE JUST OVER A MONTH NOW. UM, SO THE OFFICERS PATROLLED INSIDE, OUTSIDE, THEY WALK AROUND, THEY GREET THE COMMUNITY, THEY GREET PEOPLE AS THEY WALK IN THE DOOR. UM, THEY'VE ASSISTED WITH VARIOUS ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD, MEDICAL ISSUES, UM, ALLOWING QUICK RESPONSE FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO CALL IN AND GET THAT RESPONSE TIME AND, UH, JUST A FEW MINUTES AS OPPOSED TO WAITING ON A 9 1 1 CALL. UM, THEY'VE ALSO OFFERED ASSISTANCE IN TERMS OF FIRST AID, THINGS LIKE THAT. STAFF MEMBERS HAVE NOTICED, UM, OBSERVED AN ACTUAL NOTICEABLE DECLINE. WE HAVEN'T HAD TO CALL THE POLICE AT ALL IN THE MONTH THAT WE'VE HAD THEM, WHICH IS QUITE SURPRISING FOR US. UM, STAFF HAS TOLD ME THEY FEEL A LOT MORE SECURE. THEY FEEL THERE'S A LOT MORE BACKUP AND JUST THE PRESENCE OF HAVING THERE HAS REALLY DETERRED A LOT OF THE, YOU KNOW, KIDS WHO ARE COMING INTO CAUSE ISSUES OR THE PEOPLE WHO REGULARLY COME INTO CAUSE ISSUES. THEY ALREADY KNOW SOMEBODY'S ON SITE AND SO THEY ARE FINDING THEMSELVES ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS TO, TO SPEND THEIR TIME. UM, SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN A REALLY POSITIVE THING. THE STAFF IS REALLY HAPPY. WE'VE HAD SOME VERY, UM, NICE OFFICERS WHO COME, A LOT OF THEM ARE VERY EXCITED TO JOIN US, SO IT'S BEEN A VERY POSITIVE EXPERIENCE SO FAR. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT CONTINUES. UM, I WILL CONTINUE GUYS TO GIVE YOU UPDATES AS, AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH THIS, UM, PILOT AND SEE HOW IT GOES THROUGH THE REST OF THE YEAR. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME OF OUR PROGRAMMING THAT'S COMING UP NOW. IT'S MARCH, I WAS GONNA SAY MARCH PROGRAMMING. I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE HERE ALREADY. [00:20:01] UM, SO WE HAVE STUFF FOR THE KIDS AND, AND THE ADULTS THIS YEAR, NOT JUST KIDS. UM, SO WE'RE CELEBRATING MARIO DAY, UH, MARCH 10TH NEXT MONDAY. UH, YOU CAN JOIN US FOR THE MOVIE. THEY'RE GONNA DO SOME CRAFTS, IT'S GONNA BE LOTS OF FUN. UM, WE'LL ALSO BE DOING ST. PATRICK'S DAY CRAFT THEMES, ACTIVITIES, UM, FOR ADULTS. WE'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING OUR ANNUALS WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH PROGRAM ON MARCH 22ND FROM ONE TO THREE. IF SOME OF YOU JOINED US LAST YEAR, WE HAD A LOVELY TEA. WE HAVE SOME SPEAKERS WHO COME. UM, WE HAVE SOME VOLUNTEERS WHO WILL READ SOME WONDERFUL SPEECHES AND IT'S JUST A CELEBRATION OF WOMEN'S SORT OF EQUALITY AND HOW WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN THIS FAR. UM, AND THEN, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE ALSO SHOWCASING ITEMS FROM OUR LOCAL HISTORY ROOM AND HAVING A SLIDESHOW AS WELL. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF OUR, OUR HIGHLIGHTS COMING UP IN MARCH. WE'RE VERY EXCITED. AND IF YOU STOP IN YOU MIGHT SEE SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, CLOVERS AND SOME OTHER FUN THINGS IN THE CHILDREN'S AREA. BUT THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT SO FAR FOR THE LIBRARY. SLOWLY ROLLING INTO THE NEW YEAR. , WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVEN'T HAD TO CALL THE POLICE, YOU MEAN OBVIOUSLY WHEN THE POLICE ARE NOT PRESENT RIGHT. WE HAVEN'T HAD TO CALL THE POLICE AT ALL. SO EVEN WHEN THE POLICE ARE NOT PRESENT OR WHEN THEY'RE PRESENT, WE HAD, THE STAFF HAS NOT HAD TO MAKE A PHONE CALL. THE ONLY CALLS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OBVIOUSLY WERE FROM THE OFFICERS TO EMERGENCY SERVICES TO HAVE THOSE COME FOR THOSE MEDICAL ISSUES. AND IN ORDER TO COVER THE EXPENSE OF PAYING THE POLICE THE OVERTIME. HOW DOES, HOW IS THAT, UH, BE DEALT WITH, WITH OUR BUDGET? SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A SET ASIDE SECURITY BUDGET THAT WAS PREEXISTING TO THIS MM-HMM . AND THAT BUDGET PAID FOR OUR SECURITY GUARDS MM-HMM . UM, AND IT WILL, I THINK THE, THE REMAINING MONEY THAT WE HAVE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR WILL PROBABLY COVER OUR, UM, POLICE OFFICERS THROUGH THE END OF JUNE, IN JUNE. AND THEN, UH, NEXT YEAR WE WILL, UM, IF WE ARE TO KEEP THEM FOR AN ADDITIONAL YEAR, THEN WE'LL MAKE AN ASK OF CITY COUNCIL FOR SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO BE DEDICATED SPECIFICALLY TO THIS SECURITY, UM, DETAIL. THAT'S GONNA BE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT I WOULD IMAGINE. UH, WELL WE'RE, IT, THE PRICE THAT WE'RE ASKING IS GONNA BE MORE THAN WHAT WE ANTICIPATE PAYING BECAUSE OF THE SLIDING SCALE OF OFFICERS THAT COME. SOME OFFICERS ARE ARE NEWER SO THEY GET PAID LESS. SOME OFFICERS HAVE BEEN LONGER. SO IT JUST DEPENDS. WE'RE JUST ANTICIPATING THE THOUGHT OF ADDITIONAL ABOUT $20,000, BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE EXP SPENDING THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. IT COULD BE, UM, 80,000, IT COULD BE 85. IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE OFFICERS THAT WE'RE GETTING. AND ANY, UM, UNEXPECTED CLOSURES WE MAY HAVE. SO IF, YOU KNOW, THE LIBRARY WAS TO HAVE, I DON'T KNOW, NEW CARPET OR WHEN THE DOOR WAS INSTALLED, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL DAYS OF CLOSURES THAT WE WOULDN'T NEED TO PAY FOR. UM, SO WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE. OF COURSE WE HAVEN'T HAD A FULL YEAR, SO WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE PRICE WOULD BE. DID YOU SAY 85,000? SO WE HAVE A $75,000 BUDGET NOW. WE'D PROBABLY BE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL 20, UH, 20 TO 25,000 JUST TO PAT OURSELVES TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DOING ANY OVERAGES. OKAY. AND YOU'RE PRETTY SURE THE CITY WILL GIVE YOU THAT? OH, WE'RE, WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THEY WILL, WE'RE HOPING THAT THEY VALUE. AND YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO, UM, AFTER SIX MONTHS, UH, EVALUATE HOW THINGS ARE GOING AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS GONNA BE PART OF THAT EVALUATION? WOULD YOU GONNA BE LOOKING AT? UH, WE'LL PROBABLY BE, UM, YOU KNOW, SURVEYING STAFF TO SEE HOW THEY'RE DOING. UM, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, UM, POLICE, THE INFORMATION FROM THE POLICE TO HAVE THEM GATHER THEIR DATA ABOUT PHONE CALLS, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AND THEN COMPARED WHAT WE SAW THIS TIME LAST YEAR, UM, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE OUR BEST FEEDBACK. AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS, IF WE NEED TO, IF WE'RE NOT GETTING A CLEAR PICTURE, WE CAN ALWAYS DO, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF PUBLIC SURVEY TO SEE HOW THE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ARE FEELING WITH THE POLICE IN THE LIBRARY. UM, YES, I THINK I I WAS WONDERING, I DON'T KNOW IF THE FACT THAT THEY WERE HERE LED TO, LED TO A DECREASE AT ALL OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THE LIBRARY. I I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT. I, I'VE SEEN THE, THE PEOPLE WHO TEND TO CAUSE ISSUES NOT COME IN AS MUCH, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DECREASE IN ACTUAL STATS OF PEOPLE COMING IN. CORRECT. AND AND REALISTICALLY I THINK MOST PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY'RE SECURITY GUARDS. I THINK THEY COME IN AND JUST ANTICIPATE THAT THEY'RE SECURITY GUARDS AND THEY DON'T FEEL ANY DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT UNTIL YOU SEE THE, USUALLY THEY SEE THE CAR OUTSIDE WHERE SOMEBODY MIGHT SAY, OH, THERE'S A POLICE OFFICER OUTSIDE. AS OPPOSED TO THEM ACTUALLY FEELING [00:25:01] LIKE POLICE OFFICERS. 'CAUSE THEY'RE VERY, THEY SIT AT THE PODIUM, THEY SAY, HELLO, WELCOME. SO IT DOES KIND OF FEEL LIKE YOU'RE HAVING A SECURITY GUARD THERE AS OPPOSED TO AN OFFICER, BUT THEY KNOW TOO MUCH. BUT WHEN ISSUES, WHEN ISSUES ARISE, THEN THE OFFICER CAN ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION AND THEY WILL KNOW THAT THEY'RE AN OFFICER. CORRECT. OKAY. I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, IN THE SURVEYS AND RESPONSES TO THE SURVEYS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TOO. I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD LIMIT THE PAY OR, OR THE TYPE OF OFFICER THAT COMES TO THE LIBRARY SO THAT WE DON'T YES. YOU KNOW, SO WE BUDGET SO MUCH. WE ONLY HAVE, UM, THEIR PATROL OFFICERS. SO WE DON'T HAVE CAPTAINS OR LIEUTENANTS OR SERGEANTS LIKE MM-HMM . WE DON'T HAVE ANY HIGHER RANKING OFFICERS. IT'S STRICTLY THE, I WANNA SAY THERE'S 15 OR 17 PATROL OR PATROL OFFICERS THAT ARE BEING SERVED. SO THEY ARE THE, I GUESS, CHEAPEST OPTION FOR US. YES. UM, BUT WE, WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THE IDEA OF LIKE MAYBE USING EXPLORERS OR OTHER REVENUES TO TRY TO GET THE, THE COST DOWN, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WITH THE NEWS DEPARTMENT AND SEE IF THAT'S FEASIBLE OPTION FOR US. YEAH. BUT DEFINITELY IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT FOR SURE. AWESOME. ON THAT NOTE, UH, CAN WE JUST LEAVE THE POLICE CAR IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY BECAUSE LIKE, SO LEAST YOU KNOW THAT THE MEETING WOULD BEING THE CAR THERE? ACTUALLY I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE IT IF THEY LEFT IT THERE ALL THE TIME. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ALLOWED TO. I MEAN, BECAUSE MAYBE IF THEY LIKE RECYCLE, I'M LIKE, YOU GUYS NEED A WRITTEN ONE, YOU CAN JUST PARK IT AT THE LIBRARY . SO MAYBE THAT'S, MAYBE I CAN ASK THAT TOO MUCH CARDS. MAYBE , MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I LIKE THAT THOUGH. COULD BE AN OPTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT, FOR THE CITY LIBRARIAN? WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO, UM, MAYBE AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR HAVE A REPORT ON THAT, UM, PRESENTED BY YOURSELF OR THE POLICE, WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE OF THAT OFFICERS JUST TO COMPARE DATA ON, UM, THE ACTIVITY GIVEN THEIR PRESENCE THERE NOW? UH, AT THE END OF THE SIX MONTHS? YEAH, SO SIX MONTHS OR WHICHEVER MAKES MOST SENSE. SO YOU, YOU KIND OF WANT, WHAT MARGARET IS ASKING FOR ESSENTIALLY IS JUST A REPORT, BASICALLY, LIKE MM-HMM. WHAT'S WHAT'S, YEAH, YEAH, OF COURSE. OKAY. AT END DAY. YEAH. PILOT THE SURVEYS, ET CETERA. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY REPORT. AND I WAS JUST GONNA REMIND YOU THAT WE ARE HOLDING RT, UH, LAST YEAR WE CALLED IT OUR SUFFRAGIST TEA. AND THIS YEAR IT'S, IT'S ALSO DEALING WITH WOMEN THAT ARE INVOLVED IN SUFF S UH, SUFFRAGE MOVEMENT, BUT ALSO WOMEN IN GENERAL AND HOW THE MOVEMENT HAS CONTINUED TO DEVELOP AND, AND NOT, SO, UM, SUSAN BE, ANTHONY WILL BE THERE AGAIN, AND, AND, AND THERE'S UH, DANNY SAID THERE'LL BE SOME SPEAKERS. SO, UH, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL ALL BE ABLE TO ATTEND AT LEAST FOR A WHILE AND UM, HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE SOME TOUR SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THE LIBRARY HAS TO OFFER FOR RELEVANT TESTS. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE END TO OUR COMMENTS AND COMMUNICATION. NO, I WASN'T GOING TO VERY QUICKLY. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO FOLLOW THE RULE THAT IT SAYS THAT IT IS A MEETING EVERY MONTH AND OBVIOUSLY THERE CAN BE EMERGENCIES, BUT LET'S NOT HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THAT DOESN'T GET TREATED IN GOOD FAITH AND INSTEAD GETS TREATED INTO, OH, NOW THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA THAT WE NEED TO COVER ON ROAD. THERE'S NO WAY ON EARTH THAT A LIBRARY IN THE CITY HASN'T GOT ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT FROM, THAT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE. SO I'M GLADLY HERE. I THINK I HEARD THE TRUSTEES ALL HONESTLY SAY THAT THEY LIKE SEE THE WARRANT EVERY MONTH AND NOT PILE UP A REASON FOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULD BE ANY ADVERSITY TO HAVE MEETINGS EVERY MONTH. SO IN FACT THERE COULD BE A LOT MORE STAND DISCUSSION OF WHAT'S GOING ON COLLABORATIVE AT SOME POINT I'M GONNA BRING IN A TWO VISTA, YOU'RE GONNA SEE GROUPS. SO GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT THINGS GOING BETTER WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS. AND WHAT I'LL SAY IS, IS GOING BACK TO 2017 AND 18, WE HAD CONCERNS THOSE OF US [00:30:01] USE THE LIBRARY LOT THAT THE EXISTING SECURITY ERROR WAS NOT EFFECTIVE ENOUGH. AND I HAVE MENTIONED TO FOLKS THAT THE SECURITY GUARD INDUSTRY RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, IS JUST A COMPLETE MESS. SO IT'S NOT REALLY FEASIBLE FOR DANNY OR ANYBODY TO JUST GRAB A GOOD AND SAY, WE GO, THAT'S NOT EXISTING RIGHT NOW. SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THE PRESENCE OF THE OFFICERS, IT SOUNDS LIKE I READ THE REPORT AS WELL AS WHAT SHE SAID AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A MERE PRESENCE OF THE OFFICE IS JUST HAVING A SIGNIFICANT DETERRENCE EFFECT. AND IN CONCLUSION, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE STARBUCKSES, THE SOUNDS UNRELATED, YOU'RE GONNA SEE HOW RELATED STARBUCKS HAS CHANGED THE POLICY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. THEY WILL NO LONGER ALLOW PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT BUYING THINGS AS CUSTOMERS TO JUST SIT THERE AND CHARGE PHONES AND CHARGE ELECTRONICS OR SIT THERE. SO THAT'S GONNA BRING A LOT MORE PEOPLE INTO THE LIBRARY WHO DIDN'T BOTHER TO GO DOWN THERE OTHERWISE TO COME IN FOR THE PURPOSE OF CHARGING THINGS AND WANTING A SPACE TO SIT. AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT I THINK DANNY WOULD PROBABLY AGREE THAT THAT DOES PUT A CERTAIN LEVEL OF LOAD ON TERMS OF WHAT SHE REFERS PEOPLE THAT COME INTO HER PROBLEM BECAUSE I COULD DEFINITELY COME IN ALCOHOL. SO THAT WON'T CHANGE BY STARBUCKS. WE'LL HAVE A LOOK ON ALL LIBRARIES IN THIS AREA EVERYWHERE, ALL FRANKLY. SO PROBABLY A GOOD TIME. PLEASED YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM JORDAN? THANK YOU. I WANNA REALLY THANK YOU FOR COMING IN TODAY. SURE. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. IT HELPS VERY MUCH. UM, AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE ASKED YOU TO MAKE THE, UM, THE CITY LIBRARIAN COURT SO THAT WE CAN SEE IT. AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU SUE FOR GOING THIS ON ZOOM. OKAY. SO THAT I WILL. ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE APRIL 2ND. APRIL 2ND AND I WILL BE NOT HERE, SO WILL BE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. DON'T GET WE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.