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[Call To Order]
COMMISSIONER MENTHA PRESENT.COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ, PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA, UM, DID NOTIFY ME AT TWO O'CLOCK AND I DID SEND THAT TO YOU.
I WILL NOW LEAD THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
PLEASE STAND, PLACE YOUR HAND OVER YOUR HEART.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER LAW, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
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PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS OR MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW.WE CANNOT RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND ITEMS REQUIRING PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION.
THESE ITEMS MUST BE BROUGHT BACK ON A SUBSEQUENT AGENDA UNLESS THEY ARE OF A DEMONSTRATED EMERGENCY OR URGENT NATURE.
AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF REQUESTS TO SPEAK ON ITEMS THAT, UH, PEOPLE HAVE CHECKED AS NOT BEING ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
UH, I WANT TO CONFIRM WITH THOSE PEOPLE WHEN YOU COME UP THAT IN FACT, YOU ARE NOT HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, WHICH IS THE, THE PROJECT, UH, ON SWEETWATER ROAD, IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THAT, BUT YOU'VE CHECKED THIS BY ACCIDENT, PLEASE HOLD YOUR COMMENTS UNTIL THAT TIME, UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I WILL GO THROUGH THIS, UM, UH, LIST OR TO THE, UH, THE SPEAKER SLIP.
UH, PATRICIA TERAN, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD AND SWEETWATER? YEAH.
I'M HERE TO OPPOSE THE PROJECT ON SWEETWATER ROAD.
I ACTUALLY WORK AT LA VISTA MEMORIAL PARK.
OKAY, MA'AM, THAT IS, UH, GOING TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, AND I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU HOLD THOSE COMMENTS UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING.
APOLOGIZE, THEN I WILL BE BACK LATER.
UM, YES, I WILL PUT THIS DOWN AS ITEM NUMBER THREE.
ARE YOU ALSO HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE? YES.
I WILL PUT YOU FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE.
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YES.THIS IS ONLY FOR ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
IF IT IS ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL HAVE YOUR CHANCE TO SPEAK.
UH, HOW ABOUT PABLO BERMUDA? ITEM NUMBER THREE.
UM, MARCELA P CONCO, ITEM NUMBER THREE.
IS THAT YOUR ITEM IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? MA'AM, I WANNA MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF IT'S NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, YOU MAY SPEAK YES.
OTHERWISE, YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY LATER.
UM, I JUST WANNA INDICATE THAT ON THE WEBSITE THERE IS SOME CONFUSION ON THE DATE.
THE DATE SAYS DECEMBER 3RD FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND TODAY IS DECEMBER 2ND.
SO IT, THERE'S, I MEAN, WE'VE GONE TO IT, IT SAYS DECEMBER 3RD, AND THEN IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN YOU, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S MISLEADING.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT IN THE FUTURE THAT THERE COULD BE CLEARER, UH, UH, DATES POSTED FOR THE ACTUAL MEETINGS, BECAUSE I BELIEVE DECEMBER 3RD IS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION, AND STAFF HAS TAKEN NOTE OF THAT AS WELL.
[1. Approval of the Agenda for the Meeting of December 2, 2024]
WE WILL NOW BEGIN CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S REGULAR AGENDA.ITEM ONE IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA FOR THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF DECEMBER 2ND, 2024.
THAT IS THIS VERY MEETING RIGHT NOW.
IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, DO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE? CHAIR MILLER.
COULD YOU REDO YOUR, THE, UH, VICE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER QUINONES? COULD YOU SECOND PLEASE? OH, I'M SORRY.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER QUINONES TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
[2. Approval of Minutes from the Meeting of November 18, 2024]
IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF NOVEMBER 18TH, 2024.IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AMONG THE PLANNING COMMISSION? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
ON PAGE FOUR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT SAYS THAT VICE CHAIR CASTLE STATES THAT THE, UH, FOR THE RECORD, THAT SHE VOTED NO, DUE TO BEING NOTIFIED THAT THE ITEM WOULD BE CONTINUED PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND DUE TO MANY RESIDENTS IN SUPPORT OF THE ITEM, I THINK THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN OPPOSITION TO THE ITEM, NOT IN SUPPORT.
SO IF YOU COULD MAKE THAT ONE CHANGE IN THE MEETING IN THE MINUTES, PLEASE.
SO, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING? OKAY, THEN I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
UM, MR. DOYLE MORRISON, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
I JUST WANT TO, UM, MAKE SURE FOR THE RECORD THAT THE MEETING MINUTES ARE INCORRECT BECAUSE IT SAID THAT,
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UM, CASTLE AND SANCHEZ, UM, SECLUDED THEMSELF, OR THEY ABSTAINED, BUT THEN IN THE, IN THE ACTUAL, UM, MINUTES, THEY ACTUALLY CAME OUT WITH A HARD NO BECAUSE OF ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE IN, UH, UH, HERE, UM, LAST TIME TO SPEAK ON THE MATTER, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS POSTPONED UNTIL TONIGHT.I STILL NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE, UH, THE ADAPTATIONS OF THE OPPOSED AND THE, IT WAS, UH, NO, UH, AND NOT ABSTAINED.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMM, UH, EXCUSE ME, VICE CHAIR CASTLE, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 18TH, 2024.
THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
UH, MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION TO APPROVE FIVE YESS, ONE ABSTAIN.
ABSENT AND FOR THE RECORD, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN, MAY YOU STATE, UH, FOR THE RECORD WHILE YOU ABSTAIN.
I WASN'T HERE AT THE LAST MEETING.
[3. Determination that the project is categorically exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) under Class 32 of the CEQA guidelines Section 15332 (Infill-Development Projects) and Conditional Use Permit for a Proposed Development compromised of a new service station, convenience store with request for off-sale alcohol (ABC Type-21), drive-through car wash, drive-through eating place, and five residential units with Zone Variance request related to maximum driveway width, minimum street wall, and the location of parking spaces, to be located on vacant properties on the north side of Sweetwater Road between Olive Street and Orange Street. Case File No.: 2024-08 CUP APNS: 563-252- 12-00, 563-252-13-00, 563-252-14-00, and 5633-252-23-00.]
THE TIME AND THE PLACE FOR THE CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER.ITEM NUMBER THREE, DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT CQA UNDER CLASS 32 OF THE CQA GUIDELINES, SECTION 1 53 32, INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT COM COMPRISED OF A NEW SERVICE STATION CONVENIENCE STORE WITH REQUEST FOR OFFSITE ALCOHOL, A BC TYPE 21 DRIVE THROUGH CAR WASH, DRIVE THROUGH EATING PLACE, AND FIVE RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITH ZONE VARIANCE REQUESTS RELATED TO MAXIMUM DRIVEWAY WIDTH, MINIMUM STREET WALL, AND LOCATION OF PARKING SPACES TO BE LOCATED ON A, ON VACANT PROPERTIES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SWEETWATER ROAD BETWEEN OLIVE STREET AND ORANGE STREET.
I HEREBY OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
BEFORE WE BEGIN, DO COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES RELATING TO THIS HEARING? THIS IS EACH PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S OPPORTUNITY TO DISCLOSE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, PROPERTY INSPECTIONS, EX PARTE CONTACTS AND COMMUNICATIONS, ET CETERA.
UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE, I DID DO A SITE SURVEY TODAY, AND I DID STOP BY AND, UH, WALK THE PROPERTY.
I, UH, DID A, A SITE SURVEY, WALKED AROUND, AND I, UH, GREETED SOME OF THE, UM, RESIDENTS THIS EVENING.
I, I, I DIDN'T, I JUST WENT AND TOOK A DRIVE AND A FEW TIMES THROUGH ORANGE AND THEN THROUGH THE OTHER STREET TRYING TO GET A GRASP OF WHAT IT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE AND WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
UH, I ALSO HAVE DRIVEN BY THERE, I LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY, UM, AND DRIVE BY THERE ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DAY, UH, AND HAVE ALSO VIEWED THE PROPERTY, UH, WITH AN EYE TOWARDS THIS PROJECT.
SO WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM? EXCUSE ME.
I HAVE, UH, BEFORE THAT, UH, MADAM SECRETARY, I HAVE THE NOTICES ARE REQUIRED BY LOBBY AND GIVEN, AND DO WE HAVE THE COMPLETE FILE OF EXHIBITS, CORRESPONDENCE AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YEAH.
WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM FOR US.
HI, UH, CHAIRMAN MILLER, UH, BEFORE DAVID BEGINS THIS PRESENTATION, I'M CARLOS SEGER, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
I, UH, JUST VERIFIED THAT OUR WEBSITE DOES HAVE DECEMBER 2ND AS THE DATE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BOTH ON THE, UH, CITY'S CALENDAR AND ALSO ON THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION WEBSITE, JUST, UH, FOR THE RECORD.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC.
MY NAME IS DAVID DAVID WELCH WITH THE NATIONAL CITY PLANNING DIVISION.
UM, ITEM THREE IS A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, AS DESCRIBED BY THE CHAIR EARLIER.
UH, THIS WILL BE FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AS WELL AS PHONE VARIANCE AT A VACANT PROPERTY LOCATED ALONG
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SWEETWATER ROAD AT THE INTERSECTION OF ORANGE STREET.UM, HERE'S AN OVERHEAD OF THE SITE, UH, HIGHLIGHTED IN RED THERE.
CURRENTLY IT'S, UM, VACANT WITH NO BUILDINGS ON IT.
UH, THERE WAS A PRIOR DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL THAT WOULD'VE INCLUDED, UH, WHAT'S CURRENTLY A HOUSE ON THE LEFT SIDE, BUT THAT'S NO LONGER BEING CONSIDERED FOR DEVELOPMENT, UM, THE STREET TO THE SOUTH OF SWEETWATER ROAD.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE IS ORANGE STREET.
AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON THE LEFT THE, UH, INTERCHANGE FOR INTERSTATE 8 0 5 AND STATE HIGHWAY 54 CROSSING THE SITE.
HERE'S JUST A BASIC PHOTO OF THE SITE.
UM, AGAIN, THE, THE LAST TRIANGULAR, IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT.
YOU CAN KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR HOW IT SITS NEXT TO SWEETWATER ROAD.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MORE RECENT IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE, SO THE ROADWAY HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO THE SITE IS A 0.68 ACRE VACANT PROPERTY.
IT'S LOCATED AT SWEETWATER ROAD AND ORANGE STREET.
UH, THERE'S MULTIPLE LOTS THERE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MERGED.
IT SHOULD A PROJECT BE DEVELOPED HERE.
UM, LIKE I MENTIONED, THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL LOT PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED FOR, UH, COP FOR A DRIVE THROUGH, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NO LONGER CONSIDERED FOR DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THAT PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT PRO PROPOSAL WAS LAST CONSIDERED BY PLANNING COMMISSION IN 2022.
THAT RANGES FROM 203 FEET DEEP ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE.
AND THEN IT TAPERS DOWN TO ONLY 80 FEET DEEP ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE SITE.
UM, IT'S IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO TWO MAJOR HIGHWAYS, STATE HIGHWAY 54 AND INTERSTATE 8 0 5.
UM, THE AREA, THIS SURROUNDING AREA HAS BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, ADJACENT TO THE NORTH WITHIN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, ALSO ALONG SWEETWATER ROAD YOU HAVE A 7, 7 11, AND A MOTEL AND A COUPLE OTHER BUSINESSES.
AND THEN SOUTH OF THE SITE ACROSS SWEETWATER ROAD, YOU HAVE A LOT OF CALTRANS RIGHT AWAY.
AS I MENTIONED, THERE WERE RECENT IMPROVEMENTS TO SWEETWATER ROAD, INCLUDING A HAWK PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, WHICH WAS INSTALLED TO ACCESS THE BUS STOP ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, AS WELL AS A SEPARATED BIKE LANE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SWEETWATER ROAD.
SO THE PROPOSAL HERE TONIGHT, UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING MULTIPLE USES OF THIS PROPERTY, INCLUDING A GASOLINE SERVICE STATION, AUTOMATED CAR WASH, CONVENIENCE STORE WITH ALCOHOL SALES, AND A DRIVE-THROUGH LANE TO SERVE, UH, EITHER A COFFEE SHOP OR RESTAURANT.
UM, THERE'S A MIXED USE BUILDING THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE FIVE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AND THEN THERE WOULD ALSO ALSO BE A BASEMENT LEVEL FOR STORAGE.
SO THE REQUESTS BEING MADE TONIGHT ARE FOR THE SERVICE STATION, THE CAR WASH, THE CONVENIENCE STORE, AND ALCOHOL SALES, THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A ZONE VARIANCE REQUEST FOR A DEVIATION FROM MAXIMUM TWO-WAY DRIVEWAY WIDTH, THE MINIMUM STREET WALL REQUIREMENT ON THE ZONE, AND THE MINIMUM PARKING SETBACK WITHIN THE ZONE.
SO THERE'S MULTIPLE USES, BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED AS IT RELATES TO OUR LAND USE CODE.
HERE'S KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE SITE, THE RENDERINGS OF WHAT IT MAY LOOK LIKE, UH, SHOULD IT BE DEVELOPED.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A MIXED USE BUILDING THAT'S PROMINENTLY A LONG FLEET WATER ROAD.
UM, THAT WOULD BE THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT.
THE UPPER TWO FLOORS WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL, UH, FLIPPING AROUND TO THE OR STREET SIDE.
YOU CAN SEE THE CAR WASH FACING THE ROAD.
THE FUEL PUMP CAN, CAN CANOPIES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, UH, AS WELL AS SOME PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS OR RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
AND THEN FROM THE CORNER, UH, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE CAR WASH, THE FUEL PUMPS AND THE, UH, MIXED USE BUILDING PROPOSED FOR THE SITE.
HERE'S THE SITE PLAN WHERE YOU CAN BETTER SEE THE LAYOUT.
UM, THE, MAINLY THE BULK OF THE SITE IS YOU HAVE A FUEL PUMP CANOPY IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH WOULD SERVE SIX DOUBLE-SIDED FUEL PUMPS.
UM, THAT AREA HAS DRIVEWAY CIRCULATING AROUND IT.
ON THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE, YOU HAVE A CAR WASH.
AUTOMATED CAR WASH WOULD BE ACCESSED FROM THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE, UH, ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE SITE, WRAPPING AROUND THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
UH, THE BUILDING WILL INCLUDE, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE, UH, SPACE FOR EITHER A COFFEE SHOP OR RESTAURANT BEING SERVED BY THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THEN THE UNITS ABOVE, UM, AS WELL AS SOME PARKING SPACES.
SO GETTING INTO THE PROPOSAL IN MORE DETAILED, THE SERVICE STATION, AS I MENTIONED, THERE WILL BE SIX DOUBLE-SIDED FUEL PUMPS WITH A CANOPY.
UH, A ZONE VARIANCE IS REQUESTED RELATED TO THE STATION, UH, TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM TWO-WAY DRIVEWAY WIDTH OF THE UNDERLYING ZONE.
UH, 25 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAYS ARE PERMITTED.
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IS REQUESTING 40 FEET.UH, THIS IS RELATED TO, UH, GASOLINE, UH, FUEL, FUEL TRUCKS COMING IN TO SERVE THIS, THE SITE.
UM, ANOTHER VARIANCE IS TO DEVIATE FROM THE MINIMUM PARKING SETBACK, UH, OF 40 FOOT SETBACK IS REQUIRED WITHIN THE ZONE.
A ZERO FOOT SETBACK IS REQUESTED TO ALLOW PARKING SPACES ON THE FRONT END, FRONT END OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN THE SERVICE STATIONS PROPOSED TO BE OPERATED FOR 24 HOURS A DAY.
UM, HERE'S THAT SITE ONCE AGAIN.
UH, FUEL PUMP CABINET CANOPIES WHERE THE CARS WOULD PULL UP FOR GAS, UH, PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE 40 FOOT, 40 FOOT SETBACK WOULD BE HERE AND HERE.
UM, AND THEN THE TWO DRIVEWAYS, THAT WOULD BE 40 FEET INSTEAD OF 25 WOULD BE ONE ON SWEETWATER AND THEN ONE ON ORANGE.
THE AUTOMATIC CAR WASH, UH, ENTRANCE WOULD BE FROM THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE LOT.
HOURS OF OPERATION IS REQUESTED TO BE 24 HOURS DAILY.
UH, THIS CAR WASH HAS QUEUING FOR THREE VEHICLES.
AGAIN, ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE, YOU'D HAVE A SMALL QUEUE.
UH, CARS WOULD GO THROUGH THE CAR WASH AND EXIT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.
ALSO, WITH THE PROPOSAL, WE HAVE THE CONVENIENCE STORE.
THIS WOULD BE A 3,329 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL SPACE WITHIN THE 14,932 SQUARE FOOT MIXED USE BUILDING.
UH, THE CONVENIENCE STORE WOULD ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO A BASEMENT STORAGE LEVEL.
THIS IS PROPOSED TO BE OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY.
THIS CONVENIENCE STORE ALSO HAS A REQUEST FOR OFFSITE BEER, WINE, AND DIS DISTILLED SPIRIT SALES.
THIS IS AN A BC TYPE 21 LICENSE.
ALCOHOL SALES ARE PROPOSED TO BE FROM 6:00 AM TO 2:00 AM DAILY, AND THEN THE CONVENIENCE STORE TAKES UP A PORTION OF THE GROUND LEVEL OF THE MIXED USE BUILDING.
ALSO, YOU CAN SEE IN THE HIGHLIGHTED RED, THERE WILL BE TWO CUSTOMER ENTRANCES INTO THE CONVENIENCE STORE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PARKING AREA.
SO THE PROPOSED FOR A PROPOSAL FOR A DRIVE THROUGH EATING PLACE.
THIS WOULD BE A 1,297 SQUARE FOOT SUITE WITHIN THE PROPOSED MIXED USE BUILDING.
AGAIN, ON THE GROUND FLOOR HOURS OF OPERATION WERE NOT SPECIFIED BY THE APPLICANT.
THERE'S NO SPECIFIC TENANT LISTED.
UH, SO IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE A REQUEST FOR 24 HOURS DAILY WITH NO RESTRICTION.
UH, THE DRIVE THROUGH WRAPS AROUND THE NORTH AND WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING WITH AN EXIT ON SWEETWATER ROAD.
THERE'S A QUEUING CAPACITY FOR 12 VEHICLES DRIVE THROUGH ENTRANCE IS OVER HERE, WRAPPING AROUND THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE AND THEN EXITING OUT ON SWEETWATER.
AND THE SUITE ENCOMPASSES THE AREA ADJACENT TO SWEETWATER ROAD.
ALONG WITH THAT, WE HAVE THE FIVE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
THESE ARE PERMITTED BY W RIGHT? NO DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL IS REQUIRED FOR THEM.
THEY'RE LOCATED ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS OF THE BUILDING.
UH, NO AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE, ARE REQUESTED, SO THEY'D BE JUST MARKET RATE UNITS.
UM, ALONG WITH THE RESIDENTIAL USE.
23 PARKING SPACES ON ARE LOCATED ON THE OVERALL SITE TO PROVIDE FOR ALL THE USES.
UM, THE APPLICANT MODIFIED THEIR ORIGINAL DESIGN TO MEET HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.
UM, OUR CODE REQUIRES THAT, UM, DEVELOPMENTS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL ZONING HAVE TO MEET THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS OF THAT ADJACENT ZONE WITHIN 50 FEET.
SO THEY SHORTEN THE BUILDING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
OKAY, SO THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS WOULD OCCUPY THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS ABOVE THE ENTIRE MIXED USE BUILDING.
AND THEN, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THERE ARE A TOTAL OF FIVE UNITS.
AND THEN OF THE FIVE UNITS, UH, I THINK TWO OF THEM OR THREE, THREE OF 'EM HAVE SECOND STORIES.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE BUILDING IS SHORTER.
THERE'S NO THIRD FLOOR ON THE BACK END OF THE BUILDING.
SO GETTING INTO STAFF'S ANALYSIS, UM, WE HAVE SEVEN TOTAL REQUESTS BY THE APPLICANT THAT WOULD REQUIRE DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL.
THAT IS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION.
OF THOSE, THAT FOUR OF WHICH WOULD REQUIRE APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THAT INCLUDES THE SERVICE STATION, THE CAR WASH, WHICH IS ACCESSORY TO THE SERVICE STATION, THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH OFFSITE ALCOHOL, ALSO AN ACCESSORY USE TO THE SERVICE STATION, AND THEN THE DRIVE THROUGH EATING PLACE FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE.
UM, AND THEN THE THREE OTHER REQUESTS ARE ZONE VARIANCES WITH THREE TOTAL DEVIATIONS BEING REQUESTED FROM THE LAND USE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
THESE REQUESTS CAN BE CONSIDERED INDEPENDENTLY BY PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT MORE LATER ON IF WE NEED TO.
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UM, NEW COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, INFILL AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT ARE ENCOURAGED BY OUR GENERAL PLAN.THESE INCLUDE POLICIES IN OUR LAND USE ELEMENT.
UM, ENCOURAGE BUSINESSES TO EMPLOY NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS AND SUPPORT EFFORTS TO REDUCE LOCAL EMPLOYMENT UNEMPLOYMENT.
UH, ANOTHER POLICY 5.4 ENCOURAGE AND INCENTIVIZE, INCENTIVIZE STRATEGIC ADAPTIVE REUSE AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT OF VACANT LAND AND COMMERCIAL MIXED USE AREAS.
UH, SO THIS PROPOSAL WOULD HAVE A MIXED USE PROJECT ON A CURRENTLY VACANT SITE.
THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND SERVICE STATION ITSELF WOULD, WOULD CREATE SEVEN NEW JOBS.
ADDITIONAL JOBS WOULD BE PROVIDED THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH BUSINESS.
UM, IT ALSO MEET THE PROJECT ALSO MEETS RESIDENTIAL DENSITY REQUIREMENTS AT 7.4 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
WE'RE UP TO 75 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE ARE PERMITTED IN THE ZONE.
MOVING ON TO OUR LAND USE CODE OR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
SO I'M GONNA KIND OF BREAK THIS DOWN INTO, INTO DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
WE'LL START WITH, UH, SECTION 18 POINT 31 9 OH RELATED TO SERVICE STATIONS.
THIS SECTION OF THE CODE HAS SITE PLANNING STANDARDS, INCLUDING MINIMUM STREET FRONTAGE, WHICH IS MET, UM, SITE AREA ALSO THAT IS MET BY ALMOST DOUBLE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO SOME CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE DESIGN.
OUR CODE ENCOURAGES THAT FUEL PUMP ISLANDS ARE LOCATED BEHIND THE MAIN BUILDING STRUCTURE.
AND THEN THAT THE CONVENIENCE STORE FOR THAT SERVICE STATION SHOULD BE LOCATED ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE.
UM, IN THIS CASE, THE LOCATION OF THE FUEL PU FUEL PUMP ISLAND, UH, IT WOULD BE IMPRACTICAL TO PUT IT IN THE BACK DUE TO THE TRIANGULAR SHAPE OF THE LOT.
AND THEN THE CONVENIENCE STORE, UH, IS IN A WAY REPLACED BY THE COFFEE SHOP OR RESTAURANT, WHICH IS FRONTING THE STREET.
SO WE DO HAVE A RETAIL, UH, SUITE THAT WOULD FACE REWATER ROAD SECTION.
UH, CONTINUING WITH THAT IS A SCREENING REQUIREMENT, UM, FOR A SIX FOOT HIGH MASONRY MASONRY WALL ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL ZONES THAT'D BE IN THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
UM, APPLICANT PROPOSED A SEVEN FOOT WALL, BUT WE ONLY ALLOW SIX FOOT WALL IN THE, UH, LAND USE CODE.
SO WE PUT A CONDITION TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT OF THAT.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, BUILDING FRONTAGE STANDARDS IN THE UNDERLYING ZONE, WHICH IS THE MAJOR MIXED USE DISTRICT ZONE M MXD TWO.
UM, THERE ARE FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT ZONE.
UM, DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS, THE, UH, APPLICANT MADE SOME REVISIONS TO, UM, COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THAT, BUT THAT WILL ALSO BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED TO MEET THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS.
UM, SERVICE STATIONS ALSO SPECIFICALLY HAVE, UH, A REQUIREMENT THAT THE DESIGN REMAINS CONSISTENT ON SITE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WITH DIFFERENT DESIGNS.
UM, AS YOU KIND OF SAW IN THE RENDERING, THEY, THEY'RE PROPOSING KIND OF A CONSISTENT DESIGN THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
AS FAR AS MATERIALS AND, AND LOOK.
UM, FOR LANDSCAPING SERVICE STATIONS ARE RECOMMENDED TO HAVE AT LEAST 10% OF THEIR SITE LANDSCAPING LANDSCAPED.
UH, APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 14%.
UM, THERE ARE ALSO SOME OTHER USE REGULATIONS RELATED TO SERVICE STATIONS.
UM, IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING ANY AUTO SERVICE OR REPAIR.
UH, SO, UH, THOSE REQUIREMENTS AREN'T NECESSARILY RELEVANT IN THIS PROPOSAL ENDING WITH THAT.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, NOISE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REALLY SPECIFIC TO, UM, KIND OF EVERYTHING.
UH, BUT FOR NOISE, WE LOOKED AT EXISTING HIGH AMBIENT NOISE LEVELS FROM TRAFFIC.
THIS IS, UH, IDENTIFIED IN OUR GENERAL PLAN WITH THE LOCATION OF THE HIGHWAYS NEARBY.
WE'VE ALSO NOTED THAT, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON SITE THAT ARE PROPOSED WILL REQUIRE A NOISE STUDY SO THAT THEY'RE NOT IMPACTED BY, UH, NOISE FROM THE SITE OR OFFSITE.
AND THE MAIN CONCERN ON NOISE FOR THE SERVICE STATION IS THE, UM, AUTOMATED CAR WASH WITH, WHICH IS AN ACCESSORY USE.
UM, STAFF DID RECOMMEND REDUCED HOURS OF OPERATION TO FIT WITH THE, UH, NOISE STANDARDS IN THE CODE THE DAY, DAYTIME NOISE STANDARDS RATHER THAN NIGHTTIME.
UM, AND WE ALSO HAD A CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRING A NOISE STUDY.
MOVING ON TO, UH, SECTION 18 POINT 30 0 5 OH OF OUR LAND USE CODE.
THIS IS, UH, OUR SECTION RELATED TO ALCOHOL SALES.
UM, BUSINESSES, UH, PROPOSING TO SELL ALCOHOL HAVE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THIS INCLUDES AN EXPANDED NOTIFICATION.
UH, SO RESIDENTS AND, UH, OCCUPANTS AND OWNERS WITHIN 660 FEET ARE REQUIRED TO RECEIVE A MAILING.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO HOLD A COMMUNITY MEETING TO DISCUSS, UH, THE ALCOHOL SALES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
UM, THIS APPLICANT DID HOST THE COMMUNITY MEETING WHERE THEY ONLY NOTIFIED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
THEY DIDN'T MENTION ALCOHOL, SO WE MADE THEM REDO IT.
UM, THEY'RE ALSO DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR CERTAIN USES
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RELATED TO ALCOHOL.IN THIS CASE, A RETAIL OUTLET WHERE ACCESSORY SALES OF ALCOHOL, UM, WHERE ALCOHOL SALES ARE ACCESSORY TO THE RETAIL SALES IS EXEMPT FROM THOSE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING HOURS OF OPERATION FROM 6:00 AM TO 2:00 AM DAILY.
UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, THE ALCOHOL OUTLET CONCENTRATION IN THE AREA A BC RECOMMENDS TWO.
THERE ARE FOUR EXISTING, SO THIS WOULD MAKE FIVE ALCOHOL LICENSES.
OUR NATIONAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT COMPLETED A RISK ASSESSMENT, UH, WHICH HAD 13 POINTS.
THIS IS CONSIDERED A MEDIUM RISK BUSINESS.
AND THEN WE ALSO RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE INSTITUTE FROM PUBLIC STRATEGIES RELATED TO ALCOHOL SALES.
UM, SIMILAR COMMENTS WERE TO CONSIDER A TYPE 20, UH, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT A IS APPLIED FOR.
SO THAT'S NOT WHAT, WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED TONIGHT.
UH, THE RESPONSIBLE BEVERAGE SERVICE AND SALES TRAINING FOR RESIDENT OR FOR EMPLOYEES, THAT'S A REQUIREMENT AS WELL AS MENTION OF SPECIFIC A BC REQUIREMENTS FOR TRANSPARENCY.
UM, THE RETAIL FRONTAGE AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNAGE THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR BUSINESSES SELLING ALCOHOL, THOSE ARE ALSO ADDRESSED IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
MOVING ON TO, UH, SECTION 18.4102 C OF OUR LAND USE CODE.
THIS IS FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR NEW DRIVE THROUGH LANES.
THIS IS PRIMARILY A SECTION DEALING WITH QUEUING OF, UH, DRIVE THROUGH LANES, NEW DRIVE THROUGH LANES IN THE CITY.
UM, A LOCAL TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS WAS DONE FOR THE SITE.
UM, AND THERE ARE, THERE'S A PROPOSAL FOR A DISTANCE OF 12, UH, QUEUING FOR 12 CARS.
THIS IS BACKED BY THAT ANALYSIS FROM A, USING A, A STUDY OF A SIMILAR SITE IN THE AREA.
IT'S ANOTHER GAS STATION COFFEE SHOP DEVELOPMENT IN THE MISSION VALLEY AREA.
UM, THAT ANALYSIS ALSO DID A LITTLE STUDY OF AUTOMATED CAR WASHES, UM, AND THAT FOUND THAT QUEUING FOR THREE CARS WOULD BE NEEDED.
UM, THE APPLICANT DID MODIFY THEIR PLANS TO SHIFT THE ENTRANCE INTO THE CAR WASH TO THE SOUTHEAST PART OF THE SITE TO ALLOW FOR A TOTAL OF THREE CARS TO QUEUE FOR THAT CAR WASH.
UM, AND AN AUTOMATED CAR WASH ON HIGHLAND AVENUE WAS USED FOR THAT STUDY.
THERE ARE ALSO LOCATION REQUIREMENTS FOR DRIVE THROUGH WINDOWS AND LANDSCAPING RELATED TO THAT.
HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE, THE DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW IS LOCATED ON THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE, SO THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS IN THIS CASE.
UM, AND THEN FOR DRIVE THROUGH LANES, UH, STAFF LOOKS AT NOISE.
UH, WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY REQUIRED NOISE ATTENUATING SPEAKERS BY CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
UM, THE APPLICANT DID NOT INCLUDE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, AN HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THIS BUSINESS THAT HASN'T BEEN, UM, BASICALLY SELECTED YET, OR A TENANT HAS NOT BEEN FOUND YET.
UM, I WILL SAY THERE ARE OTHER EXISTING 24 HOUR LOCATIONS IN NATIONAL CITY, INCLUDING A RECENTLY APPROVED DUTCH BROTHERS COFFEE SHOP, WHICH SHOULD START CONSTRUCTION SOON, AS WELL AS A COUPLE OF JACK IN BO JACK IN THE BOX LOCATIONS.
SO WE DO HAVE PRECEDENTS FOR 24 HOUR DRIVE THROUGH LOCATIONS IN THE CITY.
MOVING ON, UH, KIND OF RELATED TO DRIVE-THROUGHS AS WELL AS THE OVERALL SITE.
SO THE LOCAL TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS LOOKED AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS.
UH, ONE WAS THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, CQA.
UM, CQL REQUIRES ANALYSIS OF VEHICLE VEHICLES MILES TRAVELED, NO LONGER LOOKING AT LEVEL SERVICE.
THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT WAS SCREENED OUT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE 50,000 SQUARE FOOT THRESHOLD FOR RETAIL DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, MOVING ON INTO THE EXPECTED, UH, OR ANTICIPATED TRIP GENERATION OF THE PROJECTS.
UM, THIS PROJECT WITH THE, UH, SEVERAL USES THAT ARE PROPOSED AND THE DENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD OR IS ANTICIPATED TO CREATE, UH, 2007 743 NEW DAILY TRIPS COMING IN AND OUTTA THE SITE.
UM, OF THESE 1,961 ARE CONSIDERED PRIMARY TRIPS.
SO PRIMARY TRIPS ARE NEW TO THE LOCAL STREET SYSTEM.
SO INSTEAD OF A PASS BY WHERE YOU'RE NORMALLY DRIVING THROUGH THERE AND YOU WOULD JUST GO IN FOR, TO GET GAS, THESE WOULD BE NEW CARS COMING INTO THE AREA.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'LL BE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF NEW CARS BEING GENERATED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE STUDY ALSO INCLUDED A SIGNAL WARRANT ANALYSIS, WHICH MEANS IT WAS LOOKED AT TO SEE IF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL WAS WARRANTED FOR THE INTERSECTION OF SWEETWATER ROAD AND ORANGE STREET.
SO IF NO IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE AND THIS DEVELOPMENT WERE TO COME IN, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE WAY THE STREETS ARE LAID OUT WOULD RESULT IN A 23.7 SECOND DELAY IN THE AM THIS IS CONSIDERED BY ENGINEERS
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TO BE A LEVEL SERVICE C AND A 42.5 SECOND DELAY DURING THE PM, THIS WOULD BE LEVEL SERVICE E UM, THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN DELAY FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA, ESPECIALLY ORANGE STREET.UM, SHOULD A NEW SIGNAL SIGNAL BE IMPLEMENTED AT THE CORNER OF INTERSECTION OF SWEETWATER ROAD AND ORANGE STREET, THEY, THE, ALL THE ROADWAYS WOULD BASICALLY OPERATE AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE A WITH THIS NEW SIGNAL.
SO IT WOULD BASICALLY RESOLVE, UH, THE CONCERNS FOUND BY THE LOCAL TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS.
SO THE ANALYSIS DOES RECOMMEND A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO BE IMPLEMENTED, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, DEALING WITH THE MORE RECENT APPROVALS ON SWEETWATER ROAD.
SO THE APPLICANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO INSTALL A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
UM, THEY WOULD ALSO BE REQUIRED TO, UH, REMOVE THE PEDESTRIAN HAWK SIGNAL THAT WAS, THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE, AS WELL AS REMOVE AND REPLACE THE BICYCLE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE CYCLE TRACK.
LOCATED ALONG SWEETWATER ROAD, APPLICANT IS EXPECTED TO CONTRIBUTE 70% TO THE COST OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS.
MOVING ON FROM THE LAND USE CODE TO MORE THE ZONE VARIANCE SIDE.
UM, SO THREE ZONE VARIANCES ARE BE BEING REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, WHEN A VARIANCE IS REQUESTED, THERE ARE THREE REQUIRED REQUIRED FINDINGS.
THE FIRST IS, WHICH IS, UH, THAT SPECIAL, SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES APPLICABLE TO THE PROPERTY SUCH AS THE SIZE, SHAPE, TOPOGRAPHY, LOCATION, OR SURROUNDINGS, UH, OF WHICH THE STRIP STRICT STRICT APPLICATION OF TITLE 18, THE LAND USE CODE DEPRIVES THE PROPERTY OF PRIVILEGES ENJOYED BY OTHER PROPERTY IN THE VICINITY AND UNDER IDEN IDENTICAL ZONE CLASSIFICATION.
SECOND FINDING IS THAT THE VARIANCE SHALL BE SUBJECT, SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS THAT WILL ASSURE THE ADJUSTMENT, THEREBY WILL NOT GRANT A SPECIAL PRIVILEGE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE LIMITATIONS UPON OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE VICINITY AND ZONE IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS SITUATED, SO THEY DON'T GET TO DO SOMETHING THAT OTHER PROPERTIES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THAT THE ZONE VARIANCE WILL NOT AUTHORIZE THE USE THAT IS NOT OTHERWISE PERMITTED IN THAT ZONE.
SO, LOOKING AT THE REQUEST, UM, THE ZONE IS THE MAJOR MIXED USE DISTRICT MXD TWO.
UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WHAT THIS ZONE IS INTENDED TO BE.
IT'S INTENDED TO BE OUR MAJOR ACTIVITY CENTERS IN THE CITY, UH, WALKABLE AREAS WHERE A VARIETY OF JOBS, RESIDENCES, THINGS TO GET TO ARE RELATIVELY CLOSE BY AND ACCESSIBLE BY FOOT.
UM, THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THAT ZONE, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A SERVICE STATION CAR WASH, SOME THINGS THAT YOU DON'T REALLY NECESSARILY PICTURE IN WALKABLE URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, IT, IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT TO BE FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE ZONE.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING SOME DEVIATIONS HERE.
UH, ONE IS THE MAXIMUM DRIVEWAY WIDTH OF THE ZONE.
ANOTHER IS FOR THE STREET WALL, AND ANOTHER IS FOR THE PARKING SETBACK.
SO THE SITE IS OF A SIZE AND SHAPE THAT REDUCES THE ABILITY TO MEET STANDARDS.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT HAS A 200 FOOT DEPTH ON THE EAST SIDE THAT TAPERS DOWN TO 80, EXCUSE ME, 80 FEET ON THE WEST, WEST SIDE.
THAT RESULTS IN A TRIANGULAR LOT.
SO THE BIGGEST AREA OF THE SITE IS ESSENTIALLY OCCUPIED BY THE FUEL PUMP STATION.
IT'S A LARGE RECTANGULAR AREA.
YOU HAVE THE FUEL PUMP CANOPY, THE FUEL PUMPS, AS WELL AS TWO-WAY DRIVE DRIVEWAY CIRCULATING THE SITE.
SO IT, IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THIS LOCATED IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE THE FUEL PUMPS ARE LOCATED THERE.
IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO PLACE, UM, SAY THE, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE RIGHT UP AGAINST SWEETWATER ROAD.
UM, AND ALSO THE SITE IS FURTHER RESTRICTED BY THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES.
IT NEEDS THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANES HAS TO BE LOCATED IN AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT SUFFICIENT QUEUING, WHICH NATURALLY WAS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE SITE.
UM, SO WE CAN KIND OF GET THROUGH THE THREE DV DEVIATIONS IN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT I'LL START WITH THE DRIVEWAY WIDTH.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY WIDTH BECAUSE OF THE USE ITSELF.
UM, IT NEEDS TO BE SERVICED BY RATHER LARGE TRUCKS THAT HAVE A TIGHTER TURNING RADIUS OR A LARGER TURNING RADIUS THAN A TYPICAL PASSENGER VEHICLE.
UM, THIS IS ALREADY, UH, EXISTING ON OTHER SITES IN THE SAME ZONE.
THE MXD TWO ZONE, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE GAS KING STATION AT 3009 HIGHLAND AVENUE.
I THINK THAT HAS A DRIVEWAY, UH,
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MORE THAN 50 FEET WIDE, UM, AS WELL AS THE SHELL AT 1606 EAST PLAZA BOULEVARD THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF PALM.UH, THAT HAS TWO, I THINK AT LEAST TWO DRIVEWAY OPENINGS THAT ARE MORE THAN 40 FEET WIDE AS WELL.
UM, THERE ARE ALSO SETBACK AND STREET WALL DEVIATIONS EXISTING THROUGHOUT THE ZONE.
UM, THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE MXD TWO ZONE WAS CREATED IN 2012.
UH, IT'S A RELATIVELY RECENT ZONE, UM, AND SO MOST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY EXISTED PRIOR TO THAT CHANGE.
AND SO YOU HAVE MORE OF YOUR STANDARD SUBURBAN STYLE, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, PARKING IN THE FRONT.
AND SO, UH, PARKING SPACES GENERALLY DO NOT MEET THE 40 FOOT SETBACK THAT'S REQUIRED OF THEM IN MOST EXISTING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
AND MOST EXISTING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS DO NOT MEET THE 75% STREET WALL REQUIREMENT.
SO I BELIEVE I HAVE SOME IMAGES OF THOSE VARIANCES.
THEY WANT A 40 FOOT WIDTH THERE INSTEAD OF 25.
AND THEN A SECOND ONE ON ORANGE STREET.
AGAIN, A 40 FOOT DRIVEWAY WIDTH INSTEAD OF 25, UH, FOR PARKING, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE PARKING SPACES LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND AND RESTAURANT.
UH, THOSE WOULD BE WITHIN 40 FEET OF THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
UH, AND THE ZONE IS INTENDED TO HAVE SPACES, UH, BEHIND A BUILDING.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THESE ARE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE.
AGAIN, THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL SPACES, SPACES HERE.
AND THEN LASTLY, THE STREET WALL.
I JUST HIGHLIGHTED THE AREA THAT IS CURRENTLY MEET FOLLOWING THE STREET WALL, WHICH WOULD BE THE MIXED USE BUILDING.
YOU HAVE A BUILDING COMING RIGHT UP TO THE STREET AND THEN THE CAR WASH AS WELL.
YOU HAVE A STRUCTURE COMING UP RIGHT UP TO THE STREET, BUT THE REQUIREMENT IS 75%.
SO YOU HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF SPACE ALONG THE SITE THAT CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE, UM, BUILDING FACING THE STREET.
UM, MOVING ON FROM THE ANALYSIS INTO THE COMMON STEP PLANNING RECEIVED, UM, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT PROVIDED, UH, KIND OF STANDARD CONDITIONS AND COMMENTS RELATED TO NEW DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS.
UH, THEY ALSO INCORPORATED THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THAT LOCAL TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE HAD COMMENTS RELATED TO FIRE ACCESS ON THE SITE.
I'LL GET MORE ON THAT IN A SECOND.
UM, WE ALSO HAD FLEET WATER AUTHORITY WITH SOME GENERAL COMMENTS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE AS WELL, SPECIFIC TO ALCOHOL.
UM, WE GOT COMMENTS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH WAS THEIR RISK ASSESSMENT AND THE INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC STRATEGIES.
AS I MENTIONED, THE COMMENTS RELATED TO THE BUSINESS AS WELL.
AND THEN, UM, WE ALSO, TONIGHT WE HAVE RECEIVED SEVERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS IN ADVANCE OF THIS MEETING.
UM, MOST OF WHICH OR ALL WERE IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT.
UM, TALKING ABOUT THAT FIRE ACCESS, THE APPLICANT, UH, DID GET COMMENTS FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND WE WILL HAVE FIRE ACCESS BEING PROVIDED THROUGH THE TWO-WAY, DRIVEWAYS, UH, THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, AS WELL AS A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT IS BEING REQUESTED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHICH WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH AN ACCESS EASEMENT.
UM, THE APPLICANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT OWN THE LOTS HERE ALSO IN THE LOTS HERE, SO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE THAT EASEMENT.
UM, LOOKING AT THE CONDITION, UH, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, WE DO HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF CON CONDITIONS IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION.
UH, WE HAVE STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL RELATED TO THE OPERATION OF A SERVICE STATION, UH, THE OPERATION OF DRIVE-THROUGH BUSINESSES AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7 FOR OFFSITE ALCOHOL SALES.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME KIND OF STANDARD CONDITIONS RELATED TO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
UH, APPLICANT WILL MEET OR FOLLOW CHAPTER 18 POINT 44 FOR LANDSCAPING, UH, EXTERIOR LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS, UM, MEETING CALIFORNIA BUILDING AND FIRE CODE.
UH, THINGS WE TYPICALLY INCLUDE IN, UH, IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UH, BUT THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THIS APPLICATION.
SO THOSE INCLUDE THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS.
THOSE WERE THE ONES RECOMMENDING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND THE REPLACEMENT OF THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, THE FIRE ACCESS LANE I JUST MENTIONED, UM, PLANNING HAS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRING A NOISE STUDY BE CON BEING CONDUCTED.
UH, WE'VE ALSO RECOMMENDED MODIFY THE HOURS FOR THE CAR WASH TO MAKE IT 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM INSTEAD OF THE 24 HOURS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UH, MENTIONED THE WALL HEIGHT, UH, SIX FEET INSTEAD OF SEVEN REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, A CONDITION RESTRICTING AUTO SERVICE AND REPAIR, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, A CONDITION REQUIRING THAT THE APPLICANT GET THEIR REQUIRED PERMITS FROM THE AIR POLLUTION
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CONTROL DISTRICT RELATED TO THE SERVICE STATION.UM, GETTING INTO ALCOHOL, UH, WE ARE REQUESTING OR REQUIRING A LOCKABLE CABINET OR SECURED AREA FOR THE DISTILLED SPIRITS.
UM, AND AS WELL AS A, UM, LOCATION REQUIREMENT FOR THE DISPLAY OF ALCOHOL PRODUCTS, WHICH WOULD BE AT LEAST 20 FEET FROM THE ENTRANCES.
UH, SO QUITE A BIT TO THINK ABOUT THERE.
WE TALKED ABOUT VMT AS IT RELATES TO THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE PROJECT TO BE CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT PURSUANT TO CLASS 32.
THIS IS INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
UH, THIS EXEMPTION CAN BE USED FOR SITES THAT ARE LESS THAN FIVE ACRES IN AN URBANIZED AREA.
IT'S A LESS THAN ONE ACRE SITE THAT'S SURROUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE SITE HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED AS WELL.
UM, THE SITE DOES NOT HAVE ANY VALUE AS HABITAT FOR ENDANGERED SPECIES OR, UH, ANY SPECIES OF IMPORTANCE.
UM, THERE ALSO HAS TO BE FINDINGS FOR NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS RELATED TO TRAFFIC, NOISE, AIR QUALITY, AND WATER QUALITY.
UM, AND THEN THE SITE ALSO HAS TO BE ADEQUATELY SERVED BY UTILITIES AND PUBLIC SERVICES.
AND THAT KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH CONDITIONS FROM ENGINEERING AND SWEET WATER AUTHORITY, ET CETERA.
TO SUMMARIZE, THE ITEM, UH, PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN, UH, FOR THE PROPOSED USES BY THE APPLICANT THAT THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING ARE CONDITIONALLY ALLOWED IN THE MXD TWO ZONE.
UH, THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE PERMITTED, UH, ON THE SITE AT THEIR PROPOSED DENSITY, UM, AND THEN ADHERENCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UH, AS CONDITIONED, AS WELL AS THE APPROVAL OF THESE ZONE VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUESTED.
UH, AND WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, WE CAN MAKE THE FINDING THAT IT MEETS THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
UH, AND THEN FINALLY, THE OPTIONS HERE TONIGHT FOR THE COMMISSION ARE TO FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM SQA AND APPROVE THE PROJECT BASED ON FINDINGS LISTED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION OR DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION, OR FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM SQA AND PARTIALLY APPROVED, UH, THE COP AND ZONE VARIANCE BASED ON FINDINGS LISTED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION OR FINDINGS DETERMINED BY COMMISSION.
UM, AN EXAMPLE OF THAT COULD BE, UM, IN RE APPROVING ALL THE REQUESTS EXCEPT FOR THE PARKING SETBACK.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL OF 'EM OR NONE OF 'EM.
UM, YOU COULD LOOK INTO THEM INDIVIDUALLY AS WELL.
AND THEN THE THIRD OPTION IS TO FIND THE PROJECT NOT EXEMPT FROM CE QA AND OR DE, OR AND DENY THE CUP ZONE VARIANCE BASED ON FINDINGS LISTED IN DRAFT RESOLUTION OR FINDINGS THAT MEANT BY COMMISSION.
SO TO OUTRIGHT DENY THE PROJECT OR CONTINUE THIS ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
SHOULD THE NOTICE, SHOULD THE PROJECT BE APPROVED, A NOTICE OF DECISION, UH, WOULD BE PASSED ON TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE SEVEN REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US, UH, NORMALLY WE WOULD PROVIDE A FINDINGS FOR DENIAL ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS, BUT THERE'S PROBABLY TOO MANY NUMEROUS FINDINGS OF DENIAL TO CONSIDER.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE JUST DID KIND OF A STRAIGHTFORWARD APPROVAL BASED ON THE FINDINGS YOU SEE IN THAT DRAFT RESOLUTION.
UM, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, UM, THAT WOULD CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION.
UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, STAFF MEMBERS HERE TO ASSIST AS WELL.
UM, WE HAVE THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING, UM, STEVE MAN.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE NATIONAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I INVITE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THEIR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION.
IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT AVAILABLE TONIGHT? PLEASE COME FORWARD.
MY NAME IS TOM MORGAN AND I'M WITH DUES COMMERCIAL.
I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT AND THIS INITIAL PRESENTATION AND, UM, HIGHLAND PROPERTY INVESTMENTS.
IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THIS, UH, WONDERFUL PROJECT IN OUR VIEW AS A TOTALLY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
I'VE BEEN BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY COUNCIL IN THE PAST IN BEHALF OF THE MEKA FAMILY WHO, UH, KEN MEKA IS HERE, THE OWNER, ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S, UH, BEING GR ON A LONG-TERM GROUND LEASE BY THE HIGHLAND PROPERTY INVESTMENTS GROUP.
SO THEY DON'T REALLY OWN THE PROPERTY, BUT
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THEY HAVE A LONG-TERM GROUND LEASE.SO, UH, I HAVE SOME HISTORY WITH THE PROPERTY AND, UH, I THINK THAT THIS IS AN AMAZING DEVELOPMENT, WHICH INCORPORATES A LOT OF WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THE PAST HAS DESIRED, WHICH WAS SOME RESIDENTIAL, UH, USES, YOU KNOW, ON THE PROPERTY SINCE IT IS MIXED, MIXED USE AND NOT JUST A RETAIL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS A VERY COMPLEX, UH,
UM, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED REALLY HARD WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND WITH, UH, DIRECTORS OF THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AND THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OVER A SEVEN MONTH PERIOD TO ATTEMPT TO SOLVE A LOT OF THE WORK, THE WORKINGS IN THE DESIGN AND THE ACCESS, UM, THAT YOU SEE IN THIS PROJECT.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST PUT TOGETHER
IT'S BEEN SEVEN, SEVEN MONTHS OF, AND MANY, MANY MEETINGS AND MANY DISCUSSIONS AND MANY ADJUSTMENTS MADE BY THE APPLICANT TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAND USE CODE AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND SO THEY'VE BEEN VERY, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A WIN-WIN, UH, PROJECT BECAUSE IT DOES WORK, ACTUALLY, THERE ARE 30 PARKING SPACES ON THE PROPERTY, NOT JUST 23, 23 ARE REQUIRED, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY 30 PARKING SPACES WHEN YOU COUNT THOSE THAT ARE ON THE, ON THE FUELING ISLANDS.
UM, AND THE SAFETY ISSUE OF THIS SITE, I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY BENEFICIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY.
BY THE INSTALLATION OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, I MEAN THAT THE TRAFFIC IS CONTINUING TO INCREASE ON ITS WESTERLY, UH, DIRECTION ON SWEETWATER ROAD.
AND WITH THE DRAWN NOT ONLY INTO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO INTO THE, THE CEMETERY AREA, UM, THE, IT'S, IT'S A CONCERN, A SAFETY CONCERN.
SO, UH, IT WAS BOTH THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE.
SO FOR THE APPLICANT TO PICK UP 70% OF THAT, I THINK IS, IS A REAL BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND IT WILL REALLY SOLVE A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES IN, YOU KNOW, SERVING THE RESIDENTS, SERVING THE CEMETERY, AND ALSO FACILITATING SAFE ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY.
WHICH LEADS ME TO THE 40 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAYS, UM, PRIMARILY OFF OF ORANGE STREET.
THAT WOULD BE TO BENEFIT, IT LOOKS LIKE, TO BENEFIT THE FUELING TRUCKS, BUT ALSO OTHER DELIVERY TRUCKS THAT WOULD NEED TO MAKE THAT TURN.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU JUST HAVE A 25 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY, IT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO MAKE THE TURN, AND SO IT TAKES LONGER AND IT BACKS UP THE TRAFFIC ON ORANGE.
SO THE 40 FOOT DRIVEWAY WIDTH IS REALLY A SAFETY FACTOR, AND IT ENABLES THE, THE TRUCK TO GET OFF OF ORANGE STREET QUICKER ONTO THE SITE.
SIMILARLY, THE SAME ISSUE, UH, ON OFF OF SWEETWATER ROAD, IT GETS TRAFFIC OFF OF SWEETWATER ROAD ONTO THE PROPERTY A LOT QUICKER THAN IF IT WAS JUST A NARROW 25 FOOT DRIVEWAY.
SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, I HAVE, UH, THE, UH, OWNERS OF OF HIGHLAND AVENUE PROPERTY INVESTMENTS ARE HERE AND, UH, WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.
EACH PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES.
UH, BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE SPEAKING TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT THE TIME TO TWO MINUTES FOR YOU TO SPEAK.
SO I HAVE, UM, A STACK HERE THAT WE'LL BEGIN GOING THROUGH.
BEFORE WE PROCEED, WE DO HAVE, UM, MARUD HALE ON ZOOM.
SO IF WE CAN JUST START WITH THE ZOOM FIRST AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED WITH EVERYBODY, UM, IN THE COUNCIL PAPERS.
DO YOU WANNA TAKE THAT OUT OF ORDER? OKAY, WE CAN DO THAT.
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UM, MARUD, ARE YOU THERE? YES.OKAY, YOU CAN START RIGHT NOW.
I WAS CONTACTED BY, UH, RESIDENCE AND THEIR ATTORNEY TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY FROM A NOISE, UH, IMPACT, UH, POINT OF VIEW.
I SUBMITTED, UH, MY COMMENTS AND CONCERNS, UH, DURING THE PRESENTATION.
I DID, UH, PICK UP AN ADDITIONAL CONCERN.
I WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY PLANS FOR LEAFY TREES OR BUSHES THAT WOULD EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPERTY.
SIX FOOT PROPERTY LINE WALL, UH, THAT TURNS OUT TO BE A PROBLEM.
LEAFY, UH, TREES AND BUSHES ACT AS SOUND MIRRORS REFLECTING SOUND IN RANDOM DIRECTIONS AND REDUCE THE EFFICIENCY OF ANY NOISE REDUCTION PROVIDED BY A WALL.
I HAVE ALSO WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT, UH, THERE'S NEW RESIDENCES UP ON THE, UH, PROJECT ITSELF THAT WOULD BE EXPOSED DIRECTLY.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WILL BE A NOISE STUDY.
I THINK THAT'S AN, UH, EXCELLENT IDEA BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMATIC, UH, PARTS OF THE DESIGN.
SO I AM, UM, THIS HAS BEEN BASICALLY MY POINT OF VIEW.
I, I SUBMITTED SOME CONCERNS TO THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, REPRESENTATIVE TO THE WEBSITE.
AND, UH, IF, UH, AND HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
OKAY, SO I'M GONNA START, UH, WITH, UM, MARCELLA PLANCO, I THINK IT IS.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME A LITTLE BIT.
I AM THE OWNER OF LA VISTA MEMORIAL PARK.
AND, UH, MORTUARY IN CREMATORY, UH, THE CEMETERY, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, BEING LOCAL HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1868.
UH, I, OF COURSE, I'M A, UM, ALL FOR BUSINESS, UM, BUSINESS GROWTH.
HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AT THIS POINT FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO ANALYZE EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN, UH, PROPOSED.
I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS PROJECT STILL ABOUT A WEEK AGO WHEN A FAMILY MEMBER OF OURS CAME IN TO DO A MARKER FOR THEIR LOVED ONES, AND THEY LEFT ME A COPY OF THE INFORMATION.
SO, UM, I DO, UM, HOPE THAT, UH, SOME OF THESE ISSUES GET AT LEAST CONSIDERED.
UH, MY PRIMARY, UH, CONCERNS ARE THE SAFETY ISSUES IN REGARDS TO THE BLIND SPOTS, UH, ON THE CURVE, UH, ON BOTH CURVES THAT ARE, THAT IS GOING, UM, UP INTO THE CEMETERY.
UH, THE BUSINESS SUCH AS OURS WILL CAUSE A LOT OF, THUS CAUSE A LOT OF TRAFFIC, AND PARTICULARLY WHEN BIG TRUCKS LIKE EDCO COME IN FOR THE TRASH OR THE MAILBOX, I MEAN THE MAILMAN, OR EVEN NOW MORE SO WITH THE DIESEL OR 30 SECONDS THE, UM, UH, GAS TANKS, UH, GOING THERE.
SO, UM, THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I HAVE WITH IT IS, UM, THAT THE ROAD IS TOO NARROW AND THAT THE PROCESSIONS WILL GET JAMMED RIGHT ON THAT CORNER.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD ONE, WE'VE ALREADY LAID TO REST ONE PERSON THERE AT THE CEMETERY BECAUSE OF THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT THAT WAS INSTALLED.
SO, UM, THE 40 FOOT, UM, WIDE, UH, TIME.
SO IS THAT IT? YES, I DON'T GET NO MORE TIME.
WELL, I, I SENT EVERYBODY A LETTER IN REGARDS TO THAT.
THE FIRST PHOTO IS INCORRECT BECAUSE DID YOU NOTICE IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH THAT THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL HOUSES IN THERE? IT'S THIS BEAUTIFUL GREEN GRASS WITH THIS BIG BUILDING.
AND THOSE PHOTOS DID NOT INCLUDE THE RESIDENTS,
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THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED THERE FOR A VERY, VERY, VERY LONG TIME.UM, THERE ARE CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT ALCOHOL AND CHILDREN JUST DON'T MIX.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG TO HAVE THIS, THIS HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 1868, MEANING THAT THE FAMILIES WHO BUILT THE HILL AND PEOPLE THAT LIVED THERE, AND THEN IN THE 19 HUNDREDS THERE WAS THE FLOOD.
WHO KNOWS HOW MANY BODIES ARE BURIED AT THAT LOCATION BECAUSE OF THE SWEETWATER FLOOD.
AND THIS NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT ON ORANGE AVENUE.
WHO DO YOU CALL? DO YOU CALL THE NATIONAL CITY POLICE? DO YOU CALL THE SHERIFF? DO YOU CALL THE COUNTY OR DO YOU CALL THE HIGHWAY PATROL? BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THESE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN WHAT I CALL THE LA VISTA VILLAGE.
THIS PROPERTY CANNOT BE DEVELOPED WITH THE OVER AMOUNT OF EVERYTHING.
I CAN SEE IF IT'S ONE THING, BUT I CAN'T SEE FIVE BUILDINGS AND THEN A GAS STATION, AND THEN THE WA YOU KNOW, THE WASHING A CAR 24 HOURS A DAY.
WOULD YOU WANT THAT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? THIS IS JUST RAW.
AND NOW THE NOISE, 24 HOUR A DAY NOISE FROM A CAR WASH.
AND IF THERE'S A FIRE AGAIN, WHO DO YOU CALL? THAT MEANS THAT IF THERE'S A FIRE ON THE PROPERTY, YEAH, YOU CALL THE NATIONAL CITY POLICE.
BUT WHO ARE YOU GONNA CALL IF THE FIRE GETS EXTENDED? THIS IS, THIS WHOLE THING JUST NEEDS TO GET DEVELOPED.
MY NAME IS MARTHA HERNANDEZ, AS YOU SAY.
UM, UM, I'M OPPOSING, UH, OF, OF ALL THIS.
AND, AND WHY IS, UM, I'M GONNA GO TO THE POINT WHEN THE SHE OF THE DEATH, UH, COMES FROM, UM, A CHURCH WITH A, A DEAD PARTY.
SOME PEOPLE, SOME CARS FOLLOWS THEM, FOLLOW THE SHE OF THE DEAD TO THE CEMETERY.
AND YOU GUYS KNOW THAT IT'S A VERY SLOW, NOT 45 SPEED, IT'S MAYBE FIVE, FIVE, UH, MILES PER, UM, YOU KNOW, BACK TO BACK.
AND THAT IS A, I THINK THIS IS A CATASTROPHE IDEA.
IT WILL HURT NOT ONLY HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO VISIT THE CEMETERY.
IT'LL PROBABLY BE, UM, A NICE PLACE FOR VISITORS COMES BY, YOU KNOW, DRIVES BY AND BUYS SOMETHING, OR CAR WASH MAYBE ONCE A YEAR OR MAYBE NEVER.
UH, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVES THERE AND THE PEOPLE THAT IS USING THE CEMETERY THAT COMES TO VISIT, IT'LL BE A LOT OF, UH, HURTING.
IT'LL BE HURTING THE PEOPLE, HURTING THE CHILDREN, HURTING THE WORKERS LIKE ME WHO WORKS THERE.
AND OF COURSE, UM, IT'LL BE, UH, WITH ALL MY RESPECT, A CATASTROPHE.
UM, THE REASON I'M HERE BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED WITH OUR FAMILIES, AS WITH BURIAL SERVICES, UM, AS MOST OF YOU GUYS SAID, LIKE SOME OF YOU WERE THERE TODAY, I WOULD GLADLY INVITE YOU WHEN WE, WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE SERVICES GOING ON AS TODAY, WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE.
SO WHEN WE DO HAVE SERVICES, YOU WILL NOTICE THE TRAFFIC THAT GOES BY ON THAT STREET.
UM, WE HAD SERVICES AS THE HEARS HAD TO STAY TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, LETS SOME TRAFFIC GET BY HEARS, GOES UP, AND THEN THE REST OF THE PROCESSION GETS STUCK.
SOME OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS THEY HAD COME INTO THE OFFICE COMPLAIN ABOUT BEING LATE FOR THEIR LOVED ONES.
WE HAVE A MUSLIM COMMUNITY THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM OUR BURIAL SERVICES REGULARS THAT WE HAVE.
AS IN IMMEDIATELY THE PERSON GETS BURIED.
FIVE MINUTES, 10 MINUTES, 15 MINUTES IS DONE.
SOME OF THE MUSLIM PEOPLE HAVE CAME IN AND COMPLAIN ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO REACH THE GRAVE ON TIME AND BEING LATE AND COMPLAINING TO US.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, THE NOISE, AND THE, UH, ALCOHOL THAT IS GONNA BE SOLD ON THE, IN THAT AREA AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
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YOU VERY MUCH.CALL ON, UH, ROSADA, UH, MARIN, PLEASE.
YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME UP AND HELP.
MY NAME IS ROSAURA MARINE AND I CURRENTLY WORKING FOR LA VISTA MEMORIAL PARK, ENGLISH ESPAN.
UM, I'M, I'M OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT, UH, BECAUSE FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS I'M GONNA SPEAK ON BEHALF OF OUR, THE WORKERS OF LA VISTA
I FEEL THAT THE PROJECT IS GONNA AFFECT THE ABILITY OF THE FLOW FOR OUR FAMILIES.
WE OFFER SERVICE TO FAMILIES THAT HAVE A LOSS, UH, FROM A LOVED ONE.
I BELIEVE WITH THIS PROJECT, IT'LL AFFECT THE TRAFFIC FLOW, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
NOW, WHAT THE PROJECT IS, UH, CLAIMING TO, TO BRING THIS WILL AFFECT EVERYONE, INCLUDING ALL OF THE WORKERS AND THE, AND THE HOMES AND OUR LIVELIHOOD, BECAUSE THEN FAMILIES ARE NOT GONNA WANNA COME TO LA VISTA KNOWING THAT THERE'S, UH, UH, TRAFFIC PROBLEMS AND THINGS WILL NOT BE AS THEY USED TO BE.
UH, THIS IS A QUITE, UH, A PROBLEM, A DANGEROUS PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING.
AND THEN SHE INVITES YOU TO BE ACTUALLY THERE AND SEE IT FOR YOURSELF AS FOR THE CHILDREN, FOR THE PEOPLE, AND FOR THOSE WHO COMMUTE THAT THAT ENTRANCE 30 SECONDS TIME IS OVER.
SHE'S ALSO TAKING IN CONSIDERATION THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE ON THE SURROUNDING AREA, UH, THEIR KIDS, THE NOISE LEVEL AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THAT IT ALL COMES TOGETHER.
MAY I GET MY NOTES? OF COURSE.
HELLO, MY NAME IS LUISA MCCARTHY, CO-OWNER OF THE VISTA MEMORIAL PARK AND MORTUARY.
I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER THREE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND AS TO WHY THERE'S A REQUEST TO BE AN EXEMPTION FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE MENTIONED WE HAVE A CREMATORIUM, AND THAT IS HIGHLY REGULATED.
WE HAVE COUNTY REPRESENTATION HERE, AND WE HAVE TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE HELD TO THE HIGHEST STANDARDS, UH, OF AIR POLLUTION CONTROL.
AND IT IS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT IT, YOU HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO COMPLY AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE RIGHT.
SO I CAN'T BE HERE IN A CONSCIOUS MIND AND NOT ASK FOR THE SAME, FOR THE RESIDENTS TO LIVE AROUND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
IF WE HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT AND WE'RE COUNTY JURISDICTION, ALTHOUGH WE SERVE THE COMMUNITY OF NATIONAL CITY AND AT LARGE, THEN THE PEOPLE
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ALSO DESERVE TO HAVE THAT, RIGHT? UM, IF I PUT MYSELF IN THEIR SHOES AND I LIVE THERE AND WAKE UP TO THE FUMES EVERY DAY, IN THE MORNING, AT NIGHT, THROUGHOUT THE DAY WITH MY KIDS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, THAT WOULD BE A BIG RED FLAG.SO I JUST SAY, JUST, JUST DO IT, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WOULD BE AN EXEMPTION, WHY WE'RE EVEN ENTERTAINING THAT, BUT I FEEL THAT THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT VOTE EVERYONE IN LEADERSHIP ROLES TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.
SO IT'S ONLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
THE OTHER OBVIOUSLY IS THE TRAFFIC.
I RECOMMEND THAT EIGHT CURRENT TRAFFIC STUDY BE DONE.
IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO THAT WAS AROUND THE LINGERING OF COID RESIDUE.
SO A STUDY CURRENTLY NOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOW MORE COMFORTABLE ATTENDING FUNERALS THAT ARE DONE AT NIGHT, THE VIEWINGS, AND THEN THE BURIALS DURING THE DAY.
A MUSLIM BURIAL, JUST TO GIVE YOU A AN AN EXAMPLE, IT'S A MINIMUM OF 200 VEHICLES PER SERVICE.
AND YOU'LL SEE ALL THE RED YELLOW CABS, RIGHT? BUT AS A REGULAR SERVICE, IT'S AT LEAST A HUNDRED CARS.
YOU'RE TALKING, UM, COMMUTING THERE SLOWLY.
SO JUST, I'M VERY HAPPY, LIKE PABLO SAID, TO VIDEO AND TO SHOW YOU PICTURES, BUT I INVITE YOU TO ACTUALLY BE THERE WHEN WE HAVE A SERVICE AND SEE IT FOR YOURSELF.
MY NAME IS GABRIELA MAGANA, AND I WORK IN THE CEMETERY AND THIS BEAUTIFUL AND HISTORICAL CEMETERY OKAY.
AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE AROUND THE CEMETERY ARE FRIENDS AND WE KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE, AND THEY ARE ALWAYS, UM, TOGETHER WHEN THEY HAVE ONE CONCERN ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS.
LIKE MY COWORKER SAID BEFORE, THEY HAVE KIDS, THEY GO TO SCHOOL, THEY GO WALK INTO SCHOOL ON THIS ROAD.
AND I THINK THIS PROJECT IS SO BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.
BUT NOW THE BASE, THE IN THE BEST PLACE PROBABLY THIS, THIS, UM, BUILDING CAN BE ANOTHER PLACE, BUT NOT THERE.
THAT RIGHT THERE, THIS, THIS, THIS IS REALLY A SMALL ROAD FOR THIS HUGE PROJECT TO PROTECT THE FAMILIES AND OUR WORKERS ON THE CEMETERY.
PLEASE THINK ABOUT IT IN THIS DECISION.
OKAY? WE TRY TO PROTECT ALL THE FAMILIES IN THIS NATIONAL CITY PLACE AND THIS BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL AND HISTORICAL CEMETERY SINCE, UM, THIS CEMETERY IS BUILDING SINCE MORE THAN 156 YEARS AGO, WHERE OUR KIMBALL FAMILY RAISED IN PEACE THERE.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR HISTORICAL PLACES ON NATIONAL CITY, FOR NATIONAL CITY OR FOR AND FOR EVERYBODY.
JUST AS A REMINDER, EACH SPEAKER HAS TWO MINUTES.
YOU WILL GET ONE 32ND, UH, REMINDER THAT YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS BEFORE THE TWO MINUTES IS UP.
SO IF YOU HEAR THE, THE MADAM SECRETARY, SAY SOMETHING.
THAT'S YOUR WARNING THAT YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.
UM, I'M GLAD THAT I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR MY COWORKERS FIRST AND THE GENTLEMAN WHO CAME TO PRESENT THE PROJECT BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, LIKE HE WAS SAID BEFORE, THOSE PICTURES THAT WERE SHOWN ON THE ON THE SCREEN ARE A LIE.
IF YOU HAVE EVER WALKED THROUGH THAT STREET AND YOU HAVE PASSED BY THE, THE LOT WHERE THE PROJECT IS PROPOSED, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT.
IT'S FULL OF HOUSES WITH PEOPLE LIVING THERE WHO
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ARE GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THIS PROJECT, WHICH BY THE WAY IS UNNECESSARY.WHY I SAY THAT IT'S UNNECESSARY.
FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER CAR WASH.
THERE'S A CAR WASH TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
AND THEN WE DO NOT NEED A CONVENIENCE STORE.
LIKE I SAID TO YOU BEFORE, IF YOU WALK THROUGH THAT CORNER, YOU JUST CROSS THE STREET AND THERE'S A SEVEN 11.
SO WE DO NOT NEED A CONVENIENCE STORE.
AND THEN, UM, WE DO NOT NEED A GAS STATION BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY ONE, TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
AND THEN WE DO NOT NEED A DRIVE THROUGH EATING PLACE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT AROUND THE CORNER.
AND LASTLY, FIVE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE NOT GONNA SOLVE 30 SECONDS ANY HOUSING PROBLEM.
SO THIS PROJECT IS UNNECESSARY.
ON TOP OF THAT IS GONNA AFFECT THE, THE PEACE OF THE FAMILIES AND ALSO OF THE CEMETERY THAT I WORK AT, WHICH BY THE WAY, WAS OPEN BEFORE NATIONAL CITY WAS DECLARED A CITY.
SO WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR HISTORY.
WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR FAMILIES, AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THE FAMILIES THAT GO TO VISIT THEIR LOVED ONES AND GO TO BURIED THE LOVED ONES IN THE CEMETERY THAT IS VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
I'M SO SORRY THAT I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME, BUT THANK YOU.
UH, RAMIREZ, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THREE? HELLO? UH, I'M TERESA RAMIREZ.
UM, WE LIVE IN THE HOUSE, UH, RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND SHE HAS A LOT OF CONCERNS.
UM, LIKE THE PREVIOUS RESIDENT SAID THAT SHE THINKS THAT IT'S A UNNECESSARY, UM, PROJECT.
UM, AND THEN SHE ALSO HAS A LOT OF CONCERNS BECAUSE SHE OPERATES A DAYCARE.
UM, SHE HAS A LICENSED DAYCARE.
UM, AND AS A DAYCARE OPERATOR, UM, HER MAIN GOAL IS TO HAVE, UM, PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE CHILDREN.
AND SHE THINKS THAT THIS IS GONNA, UM, GRAVELY, UM, PUT THAT AT RISK.
SHE, HER, UM, UM, GREATEST CONCERN IS THE GAS STATION.
UM, LIKE, UH, I SAID, UM, WITH OPERATING THE DAYCARE, SHE FEARS THAT THE FUMES FROM THE GAS STATION ARE GONNA CAUSE SOME, UM, SOME PROBLEMS FOR THE KIDS AND ALSO WITH THE TRAFFIC, LIKE A LOT OF THE OTHER RESIDENTS WERE SAYING.
UM, JUST A LOT OF SAFETY CONCERNS WITH THAT.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S OUR 30, HER HOUSE IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE LOT.
UM, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THE SAFETY OF THE KIDS AND ALSO
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HER BUSINESS BECAUSE SEEING THE PARENTS, UH, BRINGING THEIR CHILDREN RIGHT NEXT TO A DAYCARE THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO A GAS STATION THAT MIGHT ALSO DETER, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS FOR HER.PLEASE HELP US PROTECT OUR FAMILY.
IF, IF YOU COULD, PLEASE DON'T, DON'T EXTEND THE APPLAUSE TOO MUCH BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WE NEED TO GET THROUGH.
UH, ERNESTO RAMIREZ, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
THIS IS ERNESTO RAMIREZ AND HE IS, UH, MY FATHER, UM, OWNER OF, AGAIN, THE, THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
AND HE IS ALSO HIGHLY OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT WE'VE BEEN LIVING IN, OR THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN LIVING IN THE HOUSE FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
AND, UM, SO FAR WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, PEACEFUL, UH, YOU KNOW, FOOD NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY.
AND WE THINK THAT THIS IS GONNA DISTURB THAT PEACE, UM, NOT ONLY FOR THEM, BUT FOR EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORING, UM, STREETS AND AREA.
OKAY, NEXT IS, UM, JIMMY BRICO.
I WOULD LIKE TO START OUT BY SAYING I'M GRATEFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND SPEAK IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL.
I AM THE SON, NEPHEW AND GRANDSON OF THE APPLICANTS OVER HERE.
AND I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.
SO MY FAMILY AND I HAVE BEEN IN NATIONAL CITY WITH OUR BUSINESS ON 30TH AND HIGHLAND ACROSS FROM SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL MOBILE GAS STATION FOR OVER A DECADE NOW.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO START OUT BY SAYING THAT NATIONAL CITY IS A COMMUNITY OF VERY STRONG PEOPLE.
THEY STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY REPRESENT, AND JUST LIKE HOW WE'RE HERE AT THIS MEETING TODAY, EVERYBODY CAME OUT, YOU KNOW, TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND SINCE THIS COMMUNITY HAS SHOWN SUCH SUPPORT TO NOT ONLY EACH OTHER, BUT TO OUR BUSINESSES OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVE GONE AND DONE SCHOLARSHIPS AT SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL, UM, FOR THANKSGIVING, GIVING AWAY TURKEYS.
AND WE WOULD ALWAYS LIKE TO EXTEND OUR HAND TO HELP THE COMMUNITY.
ALSO TOO, UM, ADDRESSING THE, SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY AND TRAFFIC.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE WORKED CONTINUOUSLY OVER SEVEN MONTHS WITH THE CITY AND PLANNERS, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS SAFE, TO MAKE SURE THE TRAFFIC ISN'T TOO BAD.
AND WE WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S OKAY, SAFE AND HAPPY, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THIS COMMUNITY REPRESENTS US AND OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD ALWAYS WANT TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HELP OUT THE COMMUNITY IN ANY WAY, WE'LL TAKE ANY MEASURE NECESSARY.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND LIKE I SAID, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.
I'M THE OWNER OF, UH, PALM AVENUE PROPERTY OF INVESTMENTS IN THE APPLICANT.
UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING BUSINESS IN, UH, NATIONAL CITY FOR OVER, UH, 21 YEARS, HIGHLAND AND 30TH, UH, 18TH AND PALM OSBORN.
UM, I'M PRIVILEGED TO DO BUSINESS IN NATIONAL CITY AND IT'S AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH ALL THE COMMUNITIES.
SO WE WORK SIDE BY SIDE WITH ALL THE LOCAL SCHOOLS AND, AND, UH, HIGH SCHOOLS.
WE TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY 'CAUSE THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN AMAZING TO US.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE, UH, TAKE PRIDE IN.
UM, TRAFFIC IS A BIG CONCERN AT THIS LOCATION.
SO WE DO HAVE A CURRENT TRAFFIC STUDY.
IT WAS GIVEN TO THE ENGINEER DEPARTMENT, UM, IN THAT, UH, TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, WE HAVE A STREETLIGHT THAT'S PROPOSED AND THAT STREETLIGHT WILL 100%, UH, ACCOMMODATE EVERYONE'S CONCERN BECAUSE CURRENTLY TODAY THERE'S NO DISCIPLINE ON THAT, ON THAT, ON THAT AREA.
I KNOW THEY PUT THE STOPLIGHT FOR THE CROSS WING, BUT AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN SWEETWATER AND YOU TURN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ZIPPING THROUGH THE ROAD.
TRAFFIC BACKS UP ON ORANGE, THEY'RE ZIPPING THROUGH THE ROAD, UH, BY PUTTING THE STOPLIGHT IN, IS GONNA BE ABLE TO CONTROL TRAFFIC THREE WAYS COMING EAST AND WEST ON SWEETWATER AND THEN HEADING SOUTH, OR YEAH, HEADING SOUTH ON ORANGE
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TO MAKE A RIGHT OR TO MAKE A LEFT ON SWEETWATER ROAD.AND HONESTLY, WE'RE WILLING TO, AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT, 30 SECONDS INVEST WHATEVER IT TAKES AND NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S SAFE AND CON AND IN REGARDS TO THAT PERSPECTIVE, IN REGARDS TO THE FUMES AND ANY GASOLINE CONCERN, WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE OVERLOOKED AND OVER OVERSEE, AND WE FOLLOW ALL THE GUIDELINES WITH THE AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH.
THE WAY THE GAS STATIONS WORK TODAY IS ALL VAPOR RECOVERY.
IT'S ALL UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS.
IT'S, IT'S A SAFE ENVIRONMENT AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL THE GUIDELINES WITH THE A PCD AND EVERYONE ELSE.
CAN I HAVE 30 MORE SECONDS, PLEASE? YES, SIR.
I, I, I MET WITH THE OWNERS OF LA VISTA.
WE MET, UH, WE HAD A TWO AND A HALF TO THREE HOUR CONVERSATION.
I, I THOUGHT WE CAME TO GOOD AGREEMENT AND TURNS AND THEY, THEY HAD, THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS AND I DID EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO ADDRESS THEM.
I EVEN WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND OF THAT.
THEY, THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR VISIBILITY, THAT NO ONE KNOWS WHERE THE FUNERAL HOME IS.
I OFFERED TO PUT A MONUMENT SIGN ON MY PROPERTY SHOWING WHERE LA VISTA IS.
I EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT WE HAVE A CURRENT TRAFFIC STUDY, EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT WE WE'RE PUTTING A CURRENT TRAFFIC LIGHT ON TOP OF THAT THEY NEEDED A DISCOUNT ON FUEL.
WHATEVER THEY WANTED, I OFFERED THEM.
I JUST LIKE TO MAKE THAT NOTE.
AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO, THANK YOU, SIR.
THERE WAS ALSO, THEY SAID THAT THEY NEVER RECEIVED THE LETTER.
THERE WAS TWO LETTERS THAT WERE RECEIVED.
THERE'S THE ADDRESS THAT, THAT, THANK YOU, SIR.
UH, NEXT IS, UH, CONCHA GONZALEZ, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
I, I SO NOTED THAT ABOUT, UH, SYLVIA HERNANDEZ, HERNANDEZ SEVEN 11.
UM, ESSENTIALLY SHE IS SAYING THAT SHE HAS BEEN LIVING HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND SHE DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THE PROJECT IS A GOOD IDEA, AS IT HAS MANY DISADVANTAGES FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY LIVE THERE.
UM, AND SHE IS REFERENCING THAT THERE ARE MANY BUSINESSES THAT ALREADY DO WHAT THE PROPOSAL FOR THE PROJECT, UM, IS SAYING.
SO THERE'S ALREADY, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THERE IS ALREADY A SEVEN 11 CONVENIENCE STORE.
UM, THERE'S ALREADY A GAS STATION TWO BLOCKS AWAY, AS WAS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.
UM, I THINK THAT S YEAH, THERE ARE OTHER VACANT PLACES, UH, WHERE THEY CAN TAKE THIS PROJECT TO RATHER THAN THE STREET.
I'D LIKE, UH, TO CALL ON ARMENIA BAAN.
VALERIA, I'M SORRY IF I'M MIXING.
UM, SHE'S OPPOSED TO THE RIGHT? YES.
UH, IT IS SO NOTED ON, ON HER SPEAKER SLIP, AND THAT WILL GO INTO THE RECORD.
UH, LOUISA MCCARTHY, YOU ALREADY
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SPOKE.CORINA FLORES, GOOD EVENING TO ALL.
UM, LISTENING TO, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY HEARD EVERYTHING I WAS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, PLANNING TO SAY, BUT, UM, I AM CONCERNED AND I OPPOSE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UM, PEOPLE SAY IT'S A GREAT PROJECT TO THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIVE THERE.
IF YOU DROVE THROUGH THERE AND YOU SAW THE NARROW STREET AND ALL THE, THE CARS THAT ARE PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, IT'S CROWDED.
IT'S BEEN, UH, TIMES WHERE PEOPLE ARE JUST FLYING BY, NOT DRIVING BY THAT STREET ALREADY.
UM, WHEN YOU EXIT THE ROAD, ORANGE STREET, YOU'LL SEE THE LEFT SWINGING BY.
THERE'S LIKE A POINT YOU CAN'T SEE THE CAR, SO IT'S VERY HARD TO GET OUT OF THERE.
YOU SEE THE TRAFFIC EVERY DAY IN THE MORNING, AFTERNOONS, IT'S WORST.
UM, SO YEAH, IT'S, IT MIGHT BE A GREAT PROJECT, BUT NOT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AND WORK THERE.
UM, AND THEN WE ALREADY HAVE A, A LIKE A FAKE GRAVE BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY GOT RUN OVER BECAUSE OF THOSE SIGNS, WE HAVE BIKE LANES THAT NOBODY IS MENTIONING, WHICH IS JUST, FOR ME, IT'S, IT'S VERY BAD.
I MEAN, IT'S, UM, YOU'LL SEE, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE PEOPLE ON THE BIKE WHEN THEY'RE RIDING IT.
THIS, UM, IF, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU GUYS DROVE BY, YOU'LL SEE THE BAD SITUATION.
MARIA BUTLER, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
THERE'S ALREADY SO MANY THINGS THAT EVERYBODY HAS ALREADY SAID, BUT I WORK AT THE SEVEN 11 THAT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER, AND I ALSO LIVE ON ORANGE STREET, LIKE EIGHT HOUSES AWAY FROM THE SEVEN 11.
ADDING A A, A NECESSARY CONVENIENCE STORE ACROSS THE STREET COULD POSSIBLY SHUTTER THE SEVEN 11 THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR DECADES.
UM, LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN THERE 21 YEARS.
UM, THE HOUSE THAT I LIVE IN, MY DAD GREW UP IN AND LIKE HIS BROTHERS AND OUR NEIGHBOR LIKE WORKED AT THE SEVEN 11.
UM, THE, THE STREET IS SO NARROW ON ORANGE STREET THAT LIKE NO TWO CARS COULD PASS AT THE SAME TIME.
YOU HAVE TO LIKE, KIND OF GO TO THE SIDE JUST TO LIKE, LET SOMEBODY PASS.
'CAUSE LIKE SOMEBODY ELSE SAID, THERE'S SO MANY CARS ON THAT STREET OF ALL THE HOUSES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
LIKE, SOME OF THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY HAVE FIVE CA FIVE CARS FOR LIKE ONE HOUSE.
SO THERE'S NO WAY THAT EVEN IF THEY MADE THE DRIVEWAY 40 FEET ON ORANGE STREET, THAT THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH ROOM FOR DIESEL TRUCKS TO GO THROUGH, LIKE OTHER CUSTOMERS FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
THERE'S NO WAY, LIKE, IF YOU GUYS GO THERE, YOU WOULD SEE FOR YOURSELF THE, THE, LIKE, THE SPACE IS SO TIGHT.
UM, ALSO JUST LIKE ADDING ALL OF THAT UNNECESSARY THINGS LIKE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE CLOSE BY.
I WOULD SEE, LIKE IF WE WERE LIKE IN THE COUNTRY AND THERE WAS NOTHING AVAILABLE THEN, OKAY, YEAH.
BUT THERE'S ALREADY ALL OF THESE THINGS WITHIN LIKE, WALKING DISTANCE, WITHIN BLOCKS 30 SECONDS.
UM, AND THEN LIKE HOW THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
BUT WHAT ABOUT US THAT ARE TRYING TO SURVIVE? AND I'M A SINGLE MOTHER AND I'M TRYING TO RAISE MY DAUGHTER WITHOUT GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE AND LIKE, TO POSSIBLY CLOSE ONE OF MY PLACES OF EMPLOYMENT.
LIKE, WHAT AM I GONNA DO THEN? YOU KNOW, LIKE, YEAH, I COULD GO GET ANOTHER JOB, BUT LIKE, WHY DO I NEED TO WHEN WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO HAVE THAT PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THERE TO BEGIN WITH.
THERE'S TOO MANY THINGS TO SAY AND I'M GONNA PROBABLY START CRYING, SO I'LL JUST SIT DOWN NOW.
UH, SANDRA, YOU ALREADY SPOKE SANDRA SHELLEN.
I, I'M SORRY, SCHILLER, SHE LEFT.
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EITHER ONE.HI, UH, MY NAME IS PATTI ROMAN AND I, FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS THAT MY FAMILY AND SOME FRIENDS LIVE, UH, ON ORANGE STREET.
AND, UM, IT'S CAUSING, HAVING A, A GAS STATION THERE WILL CAUSE POOR AIR POLLUTION FOR MY GRANDCHILDREN AND FOR MS. TERESA'S DAYCARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE PLANNED, UH, BUILDING.
UM, THE CAR WASH, THERE'S ALREADY A CAR, SOY JOE'S CAR WASH DOWN THE STREET, ALONG WITH A, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE ATTACHED TO IT OF, UH, OIL PLACE TO CHANGE YOUR OIL.
UM, IT HAS A CONVENIENCE STORE INSIDE OF IT, SO WE DON'T NEED A CONVENIENCE STORE AND ALL THE REST OF THE STUFF THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE BUILT THERE.
UM, THE, UM, THE, THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE BUILT, WHERE ARE THOSE TENANTS GOING TO PARK? ORANGE STREET IS ALREADY, UM, THERE'S AN OVERFLOW ON ORANGE STREET, LIKE SHE SAID, MENTIONED THERE'S LIKE PEOPLE WITH MORE THAN ONE CAR, TWO CARS.
UM, THE DELIVERY TRUCKS ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM COMING INTO, UH, THE SEVEN 11 CAUSING, UM, TRAFFIC NOT TO COME IN, YOU KNOW, INTO ORANGE STREET.
UM, UH, THE, OR IT'S TOO NARROW.
ALCOHOL IS A VERY BIG PROBLEM.
UM, AND CITY IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
AND, UH, AT NIGHT I HAVE HEARD PEOPLE HAVING SEX IN THEIR CAR.
THEY'RE LEAVING, UM, LIQUOR BOTTLES ON THE STREET AND THERE'S HAVOC, LOUD HAVOC, AND WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE OF THAT.
UM, THE, THE NOISE LEVEL THAT THAT BRINGS WILL ALSO COME FROM THIS PROJECT TIME.
THE MISSION VALLEY GAS STATION IS THE SAME WAY.
IT'S, IT'S HARD TO GET IN AND OUT.
HELLO, MY NAME IS ARIANA PRUS AND I LIVED IN MY HOUSE FOR NINE YEARS AND MY HOUSE IS RIGHT ACROSS WHERE THEY WANT TO BUILD THE GAS STATION IN THE LIQUOR STORE.
I DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO SMELL THE GASES IN THE AIR, AND I DON'T WANT ANY VIOLENCE OR PEOPLE GETTING HURT.
I'VE LIVED IN ON ORANGE AVENUE FOR A COMBINED 35 YEARS, BUT I'VE LIVED ON THAT STREET ALONG WITH MYSELF.
MY PARENTS LIVED THERE, THEY'RE MY NEIGHBORS.
UH, I LIVED THERE WITH MY WIFE, TWO KIDS, AND WE ARE APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET AWAY FROM THIS PROJECT.
MY FAMILY AND I ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPOSAL OF SALE, UH, THE SALE, BEER, WINE, AND DISTILLED SPIRITS AS MY MOTHER-IN-LAW.
RIGHT NOW, THE NC LOUNGE IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET WITH THAT WE HAVE GANG VIOLENCE, ALCOHOL CONSUMED IN THE, IN THE STREET, UM, VIOLENCE THAT GOES REPORTED NON-REPORTED.
WE HAVE AN ISSUE CALLING THE SHERIFFS, THE NCPD HIGHWAY PATROL.
BY THE TIME THEY GET THERE, SOMEONE GOT HURT AND NOTHING GETS SOLVED.
UM, AS IT WAS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT IN THE NATIONAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT'S ALCOHOL, BEVERAGE, BEVERAGE CONTROL RISK ASSESSMENT, IT RATED A MEDIUM RISK.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO MY KIDS AND THERE'S ALCOHOL AND VIOLENCE INVOLVED, IT'S ALL HIGH RISK.
THE STAFF REPORT ALSO RE NOTED THAT BRICO IS, UM, LOCATED IN THE CENSUS TRACK THAT CONSIDERED IT TO BE OVER CONCENTRATED WITH ALCOHOL CELLS OUTLET.
SO BRICO ADDING ANOTHER ALCOHOL, IT, IT WOULD MAKE IT FIVE ALCOHOL OUTLETS.
NOW, 30 SECONDS, WHICH THAT'LL MAKE IT OVER THE DOUBLE, WHICH WAS THE MAXIMUM IS TWO IN THE CENSUS TRACT.
SO NOW, AND, AND THERE'S ALREADY FOUR, SO NOW THERE'LL BE FIVE.
THAT'S TWO AND A HALF TIMES MORE THAN
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THE A, B, C RECOMMENDS, AND I AM OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT.HELLO, MY NAME IS BRIANNA BRIGA.
UM, I AM HERE WITH MY HUSBAND AND MY TWO CHILDREN, AND I AM, UM, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ALCOHOL.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A LIMIT OF SALE OF ALCOHOL 20 HOURS A DAY.
EVEN THOUGH THE CONVENIENCE STORE WILL BE OPEN 24 HOURS, I DOUBT THAT HALTING ALCOHOL SALES FOR FOUR HOURS FROM 2:00 AM TO 6:00 AM WILL DO MUCH TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE.
LIKE MY HUSBAND SAID, WE ALREADY HAVE ISSUES WITH THE BAR AROUND THE CORNER.
WE ALREADY HAVE SEVEN 11 THAT SELLS.
UM, IT'S A CONVENIENT STORE, SELLS, UH, WINE AND BEER.
UH, THERE'S A GAS STATION AND CAR WASH DOWN THE STREET.
WE DON'T NEED ANY OF THIS ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR HOME.
LIKE HE SAID, WE'RE ONLY 20 FEET AWAY FROM, UH, THE PROJECT.
IT'S GONNA CAUSE SO MUCH NOISE FOR US.
MY CHILDREN HAVING TO GO TO SLEEP, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE CAR WASH MAY BE CLOSED AT 10:00 AM OR 10:00 PM EXCUSE ME.
UM, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA TO, TO HAVE SOME PEACE AND QUIET.
UM, AGAIN, WITH THE ALCOHOL SALES, THAT'S, UH, I, I DON'T AGREE WITH IT.
UM, IT'S GONNA CAUSE HAVOC AROUND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
MY CHILDREN DON'T NEED TO SEE THAT STUFF HAPPENING AROUND THE STREET AREA.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU, MRS. BRIGA, THOMAS MORGAN.
PROBABLY AT THE CONCLUSION, I DON'T THINK I USED ALL MY 15 MINUTES INITIALLY.
IF YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AGAIN AT THE END OF THIS TO, TO RESPOND.
YOU WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
UH, I LIVE ON ORANGE STREET, PROBABLY ABOUT 250 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED LOCATION.
UM, I REPRESENT THREE GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE WORKING IN THE OIL BUSINESS.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER HEARD SOMEBODY SAYING THAT THEIR PARKING SPACES INCLUDE THEIR PARKING SPOTS.
SO YEAH, IT, IT IS GONNA BE A TIGHT FIT, UH, DRIVE THE DRIVEWAY WIDTH IS A MINOR PROBLEM COMPARED TO CARS BLOCKING ENTRANCES AT THE AND TO DELIVER GAS.
SO, UH, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN, UH, UH, GAS STATIONS ARE, UH, DIFFICULT TO TO DELIVER, THEY'LL MAKE 'EM NIGHTTIME DELIVERIES.
BUT WITH THIS PLACE BEING RESIDENTIAL AS WELL, THERE'S ALWAYS CONCERNS WITH RESIDENTS COMPLAINING ABOUT NOISE.
SO, UM, FIRMLY OPPOSED TO THIS MULTI-USE, UH, UH, PROPOSAL THAT YOU GUYS GOT.
UM, THERE'S LIMITED PARKING ALREADY AS IT IS.
UH, IT'S GONNA REDUCE THE PARKING SPOTS ON THE STREET.
THERE'S APARTMENTS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE.
UH, YOU, A LOT OF YOU GUYS HAVE SAID THAT YOU'VE DRIVEN BY THE AREA.
UH, I URGE YOU GUYS TO DRIVE UP ORANGE STREET, UM, ON THE WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, 10 10 IN THE MORNING WHEN THE FUNERALS ARE HAPPENING DURING FRIDAYS, IT GETS BUSY.
UH, I HAD, UH, SENT, UH, MR. WELSH MY, UH, SOME OF MY CONCERNS ALREADY IN THE EMAIL AND SOME OF 'EM HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED WITH, WITH WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT, UH, PUTTING A, A STREETLIGHT AND GETTING RID OF THOSE, UH, UM, BIKE LANES.
BUT, UH, STILL I THINK THERE'S A BIG ISSUE WITH 30 SECONDS WITH, UH, NOT GETTING, UM, YOU KNOW, PROPER RESPONSE THERE FROM NATIONAL CITY OR THE COUNTY.
WE'RE, WE'RE STUCK IN THE MIDDLE.
WE'RE STUCK IN THE MIDDLE THERE, AND WE GET VERY POOR RESPONSE.
WE GET A LOT OF, UM, UH, UM, UNREPORTED CRIME BECAUSE OF THE BAR, UH, IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
I FIND BOTTLES AND CONDOMS AND, AND A LOT OF DEBRIS, UM, FOR THE SAKE OF THE, OF FUTURE OF NATIONAL CITY, UH, I, I URGE YOU GUYS TO RECONSIDER ON, ON GRANTING THIS PERMIT 'CAUSE UH, UH, GAS CONSUMPTION.
IS, UH, EXPECTED TO DECLINE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
ASHLEY MORRISON, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
MY NAME IS ASHLEY MORRISON AND I HAVE RESIDED ON ORANGE STREET FOR 32 YEARS.
AND I'M THE SIXTH GENERATION OF FAMILY
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TO HAVE ROOTS FIRMLY IN THE SOIL OF LINCOLN ACRES, THE UNINCORPORATED COMMUNITIES, COMMUNITIES SURROUNDED BY NATIONAL CITY.I WISH TO VOICE TO YOU GUYS MY OPPOSITION FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE AT TONIGHT'S MEETING.
ITEM NUMBER THREE ASKS FOR EXEMPTION AND VARIANCE, WHICH ARE WORDS THAT TO ME SOUND LIKE THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS ASKING YOU TO BREAK RULES FOR THEM.
ON MY STREET, MYSELF AND MY NEIGHBORS ALREADY DEAL WITH PARKING STRUGGLES AND EXCESSIVE TRASH FROM THE END CITY SPORTS LOUNGE, FUNERAL POSSESSION, PROCESSIONS, AND DAILY TRAFFIC OF THOSE VISITING LOVED ONES LAID TO REST IN LA VISTA CEMETERY, WHERE I TOO HAVE DECEASED LOVED ONES, LITTER FROM SALES FROM SEVEN 11 AND CONGESTION ASSOCIATED WITH DELIVER DELIVERIES TO SEVEN 11.
THE COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS ALREADY IN PLACE DRAW IN MANY VISITORS FROM OUTSIDE MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE PLACE WE CALL HOME.
THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED BY ITEM THREE IS EXCESSIVE FOR THE SPACE AND SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY, HENCE, ALL THESE SPECIAL REQUESTS FOR VARIANCE AND CQA EXEMPTION ALSO SURROUNDING AREA ALREADY HAS DOUBLE OF WHAT'S RECOMMENDED BY A, B, C WHEN IT COMES TO ALCOHOL SALES.
IT'S OVERWHELMING TO IMAGINE ALL THAT IS PROPOSED BEING SO ADJACENT TO MY HOME.
AND I CAN'T EVEN EXPRESS TO YOU THE UNEASE, EMOTIONS AND FEAR THAT SURFACES IN US.
30 SECONDS AT THE IDEA OF YOU ALLOWING THESE RULES TO BE BENT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR CONSIDERING OUR STATEMENTS, AND I HOPE YOU'LL VOTE IN OPPOSITION TO PROTECT THE AMBIANCE, NOSTALGIA, AND SAFETY OF MY DEEPLY ROOTED HOME.
ALSO, I'D LIKE TO NOTE THE AIR QUALITY THAT WE'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT IS NOT FROM THE GASOLINE FUMES.
I WOULD LIKE TO SPECIFY FROM THE INCREASED TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE GONNA SEE FROM THE CONGLOMERATION THAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE.
NEXT IS DOYLE MORRISON, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
HELLO, MY NAME IS DOYLE MORRISON.
PLEASE CONSIDER THE WRITTEN REPORT THAT I SUBMITTED, UM, TO, UH, THE CITY.
UM, I, FIRST I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS PROJECT IS RIDDLED.
IF YOU READ THE BIG PACKET FOR THE, FOR THE ENTIRE AGENDA TONIGHT.
UM, UH, THERE'S DISCREPANCIES THAT I THINK THEY'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, BUT A SEVEN FOOT WALL DOWN TO A FIVE FOOT SIX WALL.
I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THAT'S GONNA DO WITH NOISE.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING TREES, PUTTING TREES THERE TO DO THAT.
I THINK, UM, ANY, UM, NOISE EXPERT WILL TELL YOU THAT THE SOLUTION FOR TREES DOESN'T ALWAYS, UM, SOLVE THE, UH, THE, THE ISSUE.
SOMETIMES IT AMPLIFIES IT BY REFLECTING OFF OF LEAVES, UM, OF THE TREES.
THE ORANGE STREET SIDEWALKS ARE ALSO LISTED ON THERE AS FIVE FOOT, THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF ORANGE STREET.
AND I MEASURED THOSE, UM, RECENTLY, AND THEY ARE FIVE FOOT IN FRONT OF THE APARTMENTS BECAUSE THEY WERE BUILT AFTER THAT REGULATION.
BUT THE REST OF THE STREETS ARE, UH, THE ONES IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE ARE THREE AND A HALF.
IF YOU DON'T COUNT THE CURB, AND I DON'T BELIEVE YOU COUNT THE CURB IN THAT, IN THAT DIMENSION.
ALSO DOWN SWEETWATER ROAD, THEY DO NOT, UH, THEY'RE NOT FIVE FOOT IN FRONT OF THE PROJECT.
THERE'S, UM, MULTIPLE POLES THAT ARE ENCROACHING ON THE SIDEWALK.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE CAR WASH, THERE WAS A CHANGE.
IT WAS GONNA HEAD OUT THE SOUTH RIGHT THERE WHERE THE, UM, VACUUM LANES WERE.
I'VE DONE A LITTLE RESEARCH, IF YOU GO OVER TO SOAPY JOE'S, YOU KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A REALLY GOOD QUEUE, 30, 30 SECONDS INTO THE CAR WASH.
BUT OUT OF THE CAR WASH, THERE'S A HUGE PILE UP IN THE VACUUMS. AND I'M ANTICIPATING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE AS WELL.
UM, SETBACKS, SETBACK FOR PEDESTRIAN COULD BE DANGEROUS.
I CAN ONLY IMAGINE SOMEONE GOING OVER THOSE BIKE LANES AND PINNING SOMEONE UP AGAINST THE BUILDING.
IF YOU ASKED ME TO, IF, IF I CAME HERE AND ASKED YOU TO GIVE ME SEVEN VARIANCES FOR ME BUILDING A PROPERTY, UM, MY PROPERTY TO THE PROPERTY LINE, YOU GUYS WOULD TELL ME ABSOLUTELY NO TIME.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT.
CAN I HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA TIME AS WELL, OR ARE WE ONLY GIVING THAT TO THE DEVELOPER? OTHER PEOPLE HAVE HAD EXTRA TIME TOO, SIR.
OKAY, SO, BUT I WILL GRANT YOU 30 SECONDS PLEASE.
AS FAR AS TRAFFIC, THE, THE TRAFFIC PLAN SAID THAT 75% OF THE NEW TRAFFIC IS GONNA COME IN OFF OF ORANGE STREET ONTO THE PROPERTY AND OFF OF ONTO ORANGE STREET AS THE PROPERTY.
YOU'VE HEARD THE RESIDENTS SAY HOW BAD THAT IS ALREADY.
AND EVEN THEIR OWN REPRESENTATIVE TONIGHT SAID THAT IT WILL BE MORE DIFFICULT FOR FUELING TRUCKS IF THEY, IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE 40 FOOT.
SO THEY'RE TELLING US THAT IT AL WE ALREADY, EVEN IF THEY HAVE 40 FOOT, IT STILL WILL BE DIFFICULT, DIFFICULT FOR THOSE TRUCKS TO GET IN.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR THE EXTRA TIME.
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GOOD EVENING.3, 2, 4, 9 ORANGE STREET LINCOLN ACRES.
UM, A LOT HAS BEEN SAID TONIGHT ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UH, ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP IS THAT IN THEIR, UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH, THEY INDICATED THAT THERE WAS AN OUTREACH ON AUGUST 28TH, BUT THEY ALSO HAD ONE ON JULY 17TH WHERE MORE PEOPLE WEREN'T IN, IN ATTENDANCE AT THAT MEETING AND OPPOSED, UM, OPPOSITION TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN WE ATTENDED THEIR, UH, AUGUST 28TH MEETING, WHICH IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S NOTED IN THEIR REPORT, UM, THEY WERE BOASTING ABOUT HOW THEY DEVELOPED THE BETTER BUZZ IN BONITA.
AND THEY WERE VERY PROUD OF THAT PROJECT.
AND WHEN I CONFRONTED THEM LIKE, OH, YOU ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE CAUSED THE CHAOS, THAT BUILDS UP ON BONITA ROAD.
IF YOU GUYS HAVE EVER DRIVEN OUT BONITA ROAD AND SEE THE CONGESTION THAT BUILDS UP ALONG BONITA ROAD, IMAGINE THAT CONGESTION COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY ON ORANGE STREET WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH, UH, TRAFFIC PROBLEMS AND NARROW ROAD TO PASS EACH OTHER.
UM, NOT TO MENTION LIKE THE RAMIREZ FAMILY.
THINK ABOUT THE FAMILIES THAT COME AND DROP OFF THEIR CHILDREN AND PICK UP EVERY DAY TO SUPPORT A LITTLE FAMILY BUSINESS LIKE THAT.
THIS WILL GREATLY IMPACT THEIR BUSINESS.
AND THEN AGAIN, UM, 30 SECONDS.
THE DR, UH, THE GAS STATION COUNT THAT THEY DID, THEY DID IT AT THEIR OWN, UH, LOCATION OFF OF MISSION CENTER ROAD.
WHY WEREN'T THEY DOING THE COUNT AT SOAPY JOE'S OR THE CHEVRON THAT IS TWO BLOCKS AWAY? I AM OPPOSED TO THIS.
I HOPE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THE PACKET THAT I SENT.
I GAVE YOU PICTURES, I GAVE YOU DATA.
I COUNTED CARS COMING UP AND DOWN ORANGE STREET ON DECEMBER 1ST, AND THERE WERE OVER 111 CARS IN THREE HOURS THAT TRAVELED UP AND DOWN ORANGE STREET.
HELEN CHISHOLM, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
UM, I AM AN EMPLOYEE AT THE SEVEN 11 ON SWEETWATER ROAD.
PRESENTLY, I USED TO BE A FIELD CONSULTANT FOR CORPORATE SEVEN 11 AND I'VE DONE MANY REAL ESTATE SITES AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
I'VE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH THAT STORE FOR OVER 20 YEARS AS FIELD CONSULTANT AND, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO, UM, WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT, I KNEW THAT I HAD MISSED WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING TO BE BECAUSE I SAID IT COULD NOT BE THIS ONE PARTICULAR PLACE.
'CAUSE THAT STREET IS TOO NARROW.
THE LOT IS TOO NARROW FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THIS IS GOING TO BE.
AND WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY WHERE IT'S GONNA BE, I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOSH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA BE A DISASTER.
UM, THE TRAFFIC, UH, WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY GOING TO BE HORRENDOUS.
UH, VENDORS WHO ARE DELIVERING TO THE SEVEN 11 STORE CURRENTLY USUALLY HAVE TO PARK IN THE MEDIAN ON SWEETWATER ROAD IN ORDER TO MAKE THE DELIVERIES.
'CAUSE OUR PARKING LOT IS FULL AND THEY CAN'T EVEN GET IN AND GET OUT.
SO I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE.
AND, UM, THERE WAS SOME, UH, TALK ABOUT, UH, THE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC THAT THIS IS GONNA BRING TO THE AREA, AND THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
I CAN'T IMAGINE WHERE ALL THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA GO FOR THIS, THE SITE.
UM, ALSO I LOOKED UP THE APPLICANT'S HIGHLAND PROPERTY, LLC, ON THEIR WEBSITE, THEY TALK ABOUT, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, 30 SECONDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE FIVE UNITS AT MARKET RATE.
THAT IS NOT AFFORDABLE FOR NATIONAL CITY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A MISNOMER RIGHT THERE.
UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME SERIOUS CONSIDERATION THAT NEEDS TO BE GIVEN.
AND MY ONE CONCERN TOO IS WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN EXEMPTION FROM THESE, THE CEQA.
UM, I THINK ANYTHING THAT, UH, THEY NEED TO EXAMINE HERE MUST BE DONE IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TIME.
THIS IS A LONG TIME RESIDENCE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED.
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MY NAME'S MAUI GARCIA.UM, I LIVE ON 32ND STREET, WHICH IS IN BETWEEN CYPRESS AND ORANGE.
AND, UM, WHENEVER THERE'S TRAFFIC DELAYS ON SWEETWATER ROAD, GUESS, GUESS WHERE ALL THAT TRAFFIC IS? UH, DETOURED TOO, RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
SO THAT ALONE IS A SITUATION WHERE IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT ON SWEETWATER ROAD, IT'S GONNA CAUSE BACKUP IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY DIRECTION THEY CAN GO.
WE'RE LANDLOCKED THAT AREA'S LANDLOCKED, SO WE DON'T HAVE ENTRANCE TO ON, ON, WHICH WOULD BE THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT COMMUNITY.
THERE'S NO STREETS COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY OUT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ORANGE, CYPRESS, AND OLIVE.
SO IT'S, IT'S ALREADY BAD ENOUGH AS IT IS.
WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE HERE 24 YEARS AGO, THE THING THAT ATTRACTED ME TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THE PEACEFULNESS.
AND NOW I'M AFRAID THAT THAT PIECE IS IN JEOPARDY.
AND DO US A FAVOR, RECONSIDER YOUR OPTIONS BECAUSE THIS OPTION DOES NOT WORK FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
ROBERT SAKARA, R PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
I WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF YOU HAVE A LOT GOING ON, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT TO YOU.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT, UM, I'M ONE OF THE APPLICANTS.
MY FAMILY OWNS, YOU KNOW, GAS STATIONS, CONVENIENCE STORES, UH, THROUGHOUT SAN DIEGO COUNTY.
WE'VE OWNED THEM FOR GENERATIONS, PROBABLY COMBINED FAMILY, YOU KNOW, 60, 70 YEARS PLUS MYSELF, YOU KNOW, AND MY COUSIN EDDIE.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY FOR, YOU KNOW, 40 PLUS YEARS SINCE WE COULD STAND ON A MILK CRATE AND, AND TALK TO CUSTOMERS AND GREET CUSTOMERS.
UM, IRONICALLY, WE ALSO OWN FUNERAL HOME CEMETERY, CREMATION, UH, A CREMATORY.
SO WE HEAR, UM, THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, AND I WANT THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW THAT WE DO HEAR THEM.
WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, OUR ACTIONS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
MY NEPHEW GOT UP AND, AND HE KIND OF TOLD YOU GUYS, GAVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE GLIMPSE ABOUT WHAT WE DO FOR NATIONAL CITY, BUT WE DON'T JUST DO THAT FOR NATIONAL CITY.
WE DO THAT FOR EVERY COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE PARTNERED UP IN BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT WITHOUT THESE COMMUNITIES, WE WON'T SUCCEED AND WE WON'T SURVIVE.
SO I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT SEVEN 11.
I'VE HEARD THEM TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OTHER BUSINESSES.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT COMPETITION, YOU KNOW WHAT IT DOES.
IT BREEDS CLEANLINESS, IT BREEDS SAFETY.
IT FORCES THOSE BAD OPERATORS TO ACTUALLY STEP IT UP AND OPERATE THE WAY THEY SHOULD.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING SOLUTIONS.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT HYPOCRITICAL HERE WHEN, YOU KNOW, CEMETERY COMES UP AND SAYS, WE'RE DRIVING ALL THESE CARS TO OUR LOCATION, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
WE'RE SAYING, WE'RE GONNA PUT A LIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MINIMIZE THESE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GONNA HAVE A WELL LIT, UM, DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE THERE ALL THE TIME.
WE'RE GOING TO ALIENATE DE LOITERING.
THANK YOU, SIR, TO THE COMMUNITY.
I'LL BE ANSWERING, UM, A FUTURE QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, THANK YOU.
AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO READ INTO THE RECORD THE NAMES OF, UH, PEOPLE WHO SUBMITTED SPEAKER SLIPS AND WHO ARE IN OPPOSITION, BUT WHO DO NOT WANT TO SPEAK, UH, UP AT THE PUBLIC.
I, I PUT IN MY, UH, SHEET THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO SPEAK, BUT CAN I GO AHEAD AND GO UP ANYWAY, WHAT IS YOUR NAME, SIR? RUBEN MONTOYA.
UM, ABOUT MAYBE 40, 50 FEET FROM SUCH PROJECT.
UH, I'M JUST HERE TO HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING.
UM, I'VE POINTED WELL, I THOUGHT OF SOME THINGS THAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE MISSING, UM, FOR SOMEONE DID POINT IT OUT THE PARKING LOT, THE PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT SUPPOSEDLY ARE BEING GONNA BE BUILT IN THE PROJECT.
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THEY'RE GONNA PARK.UH, ON AVERAGE A FUEL TRUCK IS ABOUT 53 FEET.
UM, THEY WILL NOT HAVE A GOOD TURNING RADIUS TO TURN FROM.
ORANGE STREET IS SO SMALL, THEY WILL NOT GO IN AND OUT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UH, WE DON'T NEED SOMEBODY ELSE TO PUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT.
UM, THE SEVEN 11 SHUTS DOWN AROUND MIDNIGHT, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND THEN THAT'S WHEN ALCOHOL STOPS SELLING.
IT'S A CALM NEIGHBORHOOD AT NIGHT.
UM, THERE IS NO TRAFFIC AT NIGHT AFTER THE MALL CLOSES.
PRETTY MUCH ALL THE TRAFFIC IS WHEN THE MALL CLOSES.
UH, THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GONNA OPEN A COFFEE SHOP THAT THEY HAVEN'T STATED WHO IT IS YET.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW STARBUCKS.
UH, BITTER BUZZ BUTTER, BITTER BUZZ.
UH, THE LINES ARE HORRIBLE TOO.
UH, THE CAR WASH, THE CAR WASH NEEDS VACUUMS. UH, UH, UH, GAS STATION NEEDS AIR.
UH, IT NEEDS WATER, UH, FOR THEM TO PROVIDE FOR CARS.
UH, I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON THE PICTURE.
UM, AS, UH, HE WAS, UM, SAYING AS HE WENT UP HERE, UH, HE SAID THAT THE, THAT THE, THAT IT'S A COMPLEX.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO, AND HE LAUGHED ABOUT THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY HE LAUGHED, BUT OBVIOUSLY HE DOESNT.
FEEL LIKE IT'S A GOOD IDEA, JUST PUTTING, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, EVERYTHING INTO ONE PLACE.
WHY NOT JUST DO, THANK YOU, SIR, HOUSING OR SOMETHING.
JUST STICK TO SOMETHING RATHER THAN PUT EVERYTHING ON ONE SANDWICH.
OKAY, SO NOW, UH, AS I SAID BEFORE, I'M GOING TO SIMPLY READ INTO THE RECORD THE NAMES OF THOSE WHO ARE SUBMITTED.
I'M SORRY, SIR, I SUBMITTED ONE.
UH, WHAT IS YOUR NAME, SIR? TERRY LAWSON.
YOU INDICATED THAT YOU DIDN'T WANNA SPEAK.
IF YOU, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, SIR, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
I LIVE IN THE APARTMENTS, UM, THAT NOBODY'S TALKED ABOUT.
MY WINDOW, MY KITCHEN WINDOW WILL BE FACING THE CAR WASH.
MY GRANDSON'S WINDOW WILL BE FACING MIDWAY.
MY BEDROOM WILL BE AT THE ENTRANCE FOR THIS.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE EXCEPTION.
YOU CAN'T ALLOW THEM TO HAVE EXCEPTIONS, YOU KNOW, RULES WERE PUT IN PLACE FOR BUILDING STUFF, AND I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALLOWED EXCEPTIONS.
IT'S HARD ENOUGH WHEN YOU SEE, I'VE SEEN ALL THE ACCIDENTS WHERE I LIVE.
I'VE SEEN THE BODIES AND DIESEL TRUCKS CAN'T EVEN GET DOWN THAT ROAD.
THEY'LL ACTUALLY HAVE ALL THE CARS BE MOVED SO A DIESEL TRUCK CAN GO DOWN THERE.
SO THAT MEANS THAT I'M GONNA LOSE MY PARKING IN FRONT OF MY PLACE.
WHERE, WHERE AM I GONNA PARK? YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S UNREASONABLE.
AND ALSO, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A PLACE TO BUY LIQUOR FOR THREE BLOCKS IN A ROW.
YOU GOT, YOU GOT THE BAR, WHICH IS BAD ENOUGH, AND SEVEN 11, THANK GOD THEY CLOSED AT MIDNIGHT NOW.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS PLACE.
AND ON TOP OF ALL THIS, I'M GONNA HAVE TO LISTEN TO THEIR, UH, CAR WASH GOING OFF ALL THE TIME.
YOU KNOW, HOW AM I GONNA GET SOME SLEEP? NOBODY'S 30 PUT INTO CONSIDERATION.
HE'S TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WELL, HE WENT AND TALKED TO THESE PEOPLE AND TRIED GREASING THE WHEEL AND LOWERING THEIR GAS PRICES.
WHAT ABOUT US? HE ONLY TALKS ABOUT IN THAT COMPLEX.
WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE AROUND ALL THESE PEOPLE RIGHT HERE? THAT'S MY 2 CENTS.
OKAY, ONCE AGAIN, I'M GOING TO READ INTO THE RECORD THE NAMES OF THOSE WHO SUBMITTED SPEAKER SLIPS, UH, BUT CHOSE, BUT HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO SPEAK.
CARLOS VINNO, VERONICA TENYA LIA VAZQUEZ, YOU BY WYN, LAURA AGIRI AND LAURA FLORES.
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CAN YOU SAY THEY WERE OPPOSED? YES, I I SAID THAT, SIR.OKAY, AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, KEEP OUR AREAS CLEAN AND DEBRIS.
WE ARE NOT HERE TO TO DEMAND ANYTHING.
WE'RE HERE TO ASK WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, HOW WE CAN SERVE THE COMMUNITY, AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT BETTER.
UM, WE LISTEN TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY WAS SAYING, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO THEM AND DO WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO DO.
THEY TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC COUNTS.
WELL, WE'VE DONE A TRAFFIC COUNT STUDY.
SOMEONE MENTIONS THAT THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, THE CITY CAN PUT UP A TRAFFIC LIGHT.
WELL, THE CITY HAS DONE A STUDY AND OPT IN NOT TO PUT UP A TRAFFIC LIGHT.
I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO PICK ON WHAT PEOPLE SAID AND WHAT THEY DO, AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS, THEIR VALID CONCERNS.
BUT WE CAN ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS.
WE'RE THE PEOPLE WHO WILL ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, I'M GONNA LEAVE IT TO EDDIE TO TAKE OVER, UM, SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS ABOUT WHAT HE'D LIKE TO SAY.
UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
UH, WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE WE ACCOMMODATE AND HELP OUT AND BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE BEEN DOING BUSINESS IN NATIONAL CITY AND WE ARE, WE'RE A PART OF NATIONAL CITY, SO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, UM, CEMETERY PERSONNEL HERE, YOU KNOW, SAYING HOW THEY'LL BE AFFECTED.
AGAIN, I'M IN THE FUNERAL INDUSTRY, I UNDERSTAND PROCESSIONS, I UNDERSTAND HOW MANY CARS COME IN AND, AND GO OUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THESE ARE GONNA BE AROUND FOREVER.
AND YOU KNOW, THESE PROCESSIONS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THEM ARE CONTROLLED WITH TRAFFIC ESCORT ESCORTS.
AND IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE NEED TO OBEY THE TRAFFIC RULES.
YOU KNOW, LA VISTA DOESN'T HAVE A FUNERAL EVERY SINGLE DAY.
UM, BUT WHEN THEY DO, I, I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GONNA MAKE THEIR WAY THERE, WHETHER THEY'RE, IT'S GONNA TAKE 'EM FIVE MINUTES OR AN HOUR TO GET THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT.
AND AGAIN, I BELIEVE WE'RE MAKING A SAFER ENVIRONMENT, NOT JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY THAT'S THERE, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE VISITING THEIR LOVED ONES.
AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT FOR EVERYONE THAT VISITS LA VISTA CEMETERY AS WELL FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES, UM, FOR THEIR PATRONS, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR TIME.
DOES, WOULD IT BE PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE A REBUTTAL TO NO SIR.
WE'RE NOT ASKING TO, THEY DID NOT DO A TRAFFIC SURVEY UP ORANGE STREET AND ALL OF THESE RESIDENTS HERE.
AFFECTED BY THAT? NOT AT THIS TIME, NO, SIR.
DO ANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, THE APPLICANT OR THE PUBLIC? I, I RECOGNIZE, UH, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE VICE CHAIR.
UM, THIS, THIS ONE IS FOR STAFF.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TYPE 20 AND A TYPE 21 ALCOHOL LICENSE? UM, TYPICALLY WHEN THE APPLICATION COMES IN, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE LICENSE TYPES AND I'LL MAKE SURE I GET IT CORRECT.
UM, I HAVE NOT RESEARCHED A TYPE 20 LICENSE AND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS.
UH, I JUST KNOW THAT TYPE 21 IS ELL GENERAL.
UM, BUT I CAN LOOK THAT UP IF, IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION, PLEASE.
I, I, I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS LIMITING THE SIZE OF THE ALCOHOL BOTTLES OR IF IT WAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, ANOTHER CLARIFYING QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT OR IF THIS IS FOR THE UM, STAFF.
UM, BUT THE RESTAURANT, WILL THE RESTAURANT BE SERVING ALCOHOL AS WELL? THE REQUEST BEFORE THE COMMISSION HERE TODAY IS NOT FOR ANY ALCOHOL CELLS ONSITE FOR THE RESTAURANT.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
AND LOOKING UP THE TYPE 20 LICENSE, IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME THING, EXCEPT IT'S ONLY BEER AND WINE.
SO IT IT WOULDN'T BE ANY HARD, HARD ALCOHOL? NO, IT JUST BE BEER AND WINE.
UM, AND THEN I SAW ON THE, UM, ONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, THE EXISTING HOUSE IS TO REMAIN THERE.
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YOU KIND OF CLARIFY WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT HOUSE IS AND WHERE THAT IS? UM, DIRECTLY WEST OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED SITE, THERE IS AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HO HOME.UM, THERE AT SWEETWATER IN ORANGE.
THERE ARE, I BELIEVE, FIVE A TAX PARCELS IN TOTAL.
UM, THEY ARE GENERALLY CONTROLLED UNDER THE SAME FAMILY INTERESTS.
UM, IT WAS APPARENTLY DECIDED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL TO NOT INCLUDE THAT PARTICULAR TAX PARCEL.
UM, BUT A PORTION OF IT WOULD BE PROPOSED TO BE USED FOR FIRE ACCESS.
SO IS IS THE OWNER OF THAT HOME THAT'S THERE, IS, IS THAT, THAT, IS THAT PART OF THE, THE LOTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED OR, OR WILL, WILL THEY DIVIDE THE LOT AND GIVE THEM SOME OF THE LAND OR HOW IS, HOW IS THAT, UM, ANSWER THAT.
COULD YOU COME FORWARD MR. MORGAN TO THE MICROPHONE? YEAH.
CAN YOU PUT THE PICTURE UP OF WHERE, WHERE I'M SPEAKING OF, JUST SO IT'S CLARIFIED.
IT IS, IT IS UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE APPLICANT, BUT THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING IT AS PART OF THE REDEVELOPMENT.
THEIR PLAN WOULD BE TO, UH, REMODEL AND UPGRADE AND THEN PROBABLY RENT OUT THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
SO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT.
THAT ONE WILL REMAIN, BUT IS THE, THE LOT RIGHT THERE, IS THAT ONE LOT THAT TRIANGULAR SHAPED LOT? IS THAT PART? ACTUALLY ALL OF THE LOTS WILL BE ASSEMBLED INTO ONE PARCEL, INCLUDING THAT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, INCLUDING.
AND IS THAT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OCCUPIED CURRENTLY? NO.
IT'S VACANT, BUT THEY DESIRE TO, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE, YEAH, REMODELED.
UM, SO THE DISTANCE FROM WHAT, WHAT WOULD THE DISTANCE BE FROM THE HOUSING? SEE WHERE THE, THE CARS ARE LINED UP RIGHT THERE.
UM, FOR THE QUEUE, FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH, UM, WHEN I DID A SIDEWALK, I NOTICED THAT THE WHOLE NORTH SIDE OF THAT IS ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT, UM, UH, HOMES OR, OR IT LOOKS LIKE BUILDINGS AT LEAST, UM, ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF IT.
SEE HOW, UM, HOW WHAT'S, SO WHAT'S THE DISTANCE GONNA BE FROM THE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE TO THE ACTUAL HOMES? BECAUSE THEY LOOKED LIKE THEY WEREN'T, THE, THE SETBACKS ON THOSE WEREN'T VERY FAR OFF OF THE LOT LINE.
I'LL HAVE TO CHECK THE SITE PLAN, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPOSED DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
BUT I'LL HAVE TO VERIFY THAT ON THE PLANS.
AND, UM, THE INGRESS AND EGRESS, UM, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE, UM, THE OTHER PICTURE, I'M SORRY, UM, FROM BEFORE I KNOW THE SETBACK OF THOSE HOMES ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO THE INGRESS AND THE ING, THE, SO THIS IS ORANGE THAT COMES DOWN HERE AND THIS IS SWEETWATER.
SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS THAT THE, UM, THE, THE DIESEL DELIVERY IS GONNA GO THROUGH ORANGE AND THROUGH THERE AND NOT THROUGH SWEETWATER AM AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE VARIANCE ON BOLT DRIVEWAYS, WHICH WOULD ALLOW TRUCKS TO ACCESS THE SITE EITHER THROUGH SWEETWATER OR ORANGE.
UM, AS FAR AS ANY A OPERATIONAL STANDARDS BY THE APPLICANT, I'M NOT AWARE IF THEY PROPOSE ANY LIMITATIONS ON THAT.
AND IS THERE ACTUALLY ANOTHER DRIVEWAY, THE EXITS FOR THE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH? CORRECT.
THERE'S A SMALLER DRIVE THROUGH HERE.
UM, THE STAFF TALKED ABOUT VISIBILITY OF THE EXIT HERE.
SO THERE IS A LITTLE CUTOUT ON THE BUILDING IN THIS CORNER.
AND THEN THE ACCESS EASEMENT WOULD ALLOW FOR FURTHER VISIBILITY, UM, FOR A CAR EXITING ONTO SWEETWATER HERE.
AND HOW FAR DOES THE BUILDING COME DOWN FROM THAT, THAT OTHER, UH, BECAUSE THE, JUST THE ANGLE OF WHAT THE LOT IS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE BUILDING COMES DOWN FURTHER AND EVEN THOUGH THAT LITTLE CUTOUT'S THERE, WOULD IT STILL OBSTRUCT VISION COMING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY? YOU CAN SAY IT.
UM, IT IS A MORE, UH, OBTUSE ANGLE THERE.
AND SO VISIBILITY WILL BE LESS AFFECTED
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ON THAT SIDE.UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A STANDARD IN OUR CODE ABOUT BEING VISIBLE FROM 10 FEET AWAY.
UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE MADE CHANGES TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
UM, WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, TRANSPORTATION GOING ON HERE.
WE HAVE PEDESTRIANS WALKING, WE HAVE THE BIKE LANES AND WE HAVE THE, UH, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
AND SO, UM, THAT THOSE DIFFERENT TRAFFIC TYPES ARE ALSO OPERATING AT DIFFERENT SPEEDS.
AND SO, UM, THE CONFLICT WITH THE PEDESTRIAN, YOU KNOW, THE VISIBILITY YOU NEED TO SEE THEM, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME 35 MILES AN HOUR.
SO THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE THERE, I THINK.
UM, BUT THERE, THERE IS SOME ACCOMMODATION FOR VISIBILITY.
DID CITY, DID CITY COUNCIL JUST REDUCE THE, UM, THE SPEED LIMIT THROUGH THERE AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING? UH, GOOD EVENING.
STEVE MANGANELLI, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS.
UM, THAT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING, AN INTRODUCTION OF AN ORDINANCE TO REDUCE THIS POSTED SPEED LIMIT FROM 45 MILES PER HOUR TO 40 MILES PER HOUR.
TOMORROW NIGHT WILL BE THE SECOND READING AND PROPOSED ADOPTION TO REDUCE THE SPEED FROM 45 TO 40.
AND THEN, UM, THE, THE BIKE LANES, UM, ARE THOSE GONNA BE REMOVED THROUGH THAT AREA, UM, ON THE WHOLE NORTH SIDE OF SWEETWATER FROM THE FREEWAY ENTRANCE PER SE, TO, YOU KNOW, WHERE NATIONAL CITY SPORTS LOUNGE EDGE OR AROUND THAT AREA? NO, THEY WILL NOT BE REMOVED.
UM, THE BERMS THAT PROVIDE A PHYSICAL BARRIER BETWEEN THE TRAVEL LANE AND THE BIKE LANE WILL NEED TO BE, UM, MODIFIED TO ACCOMMODATE THE OPENINGS FOR THE DRIVEWAYS.
SO THE BIKEWAYS, SO THE BERMS RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A CONTIGUOUS BERM THAT RUNS, UM, PARALLEL TO THE PROJECT SITE.
THOSE WILL NEED TO BE RECONSTRUCTED TO CREATE THE NECESSARY OPENINGS TO ALLOW VEHICLES TO TURN IN AND OUT OF THE PROJECT DRIVEWAYS.
THE BIKE LANE ITSELF WILL REMAIN WHERE IT IS.
DOES THERE NEED TO BE A NEW STUDY FOR THE BIKE LANE TO ENSURE THAT THEIR SAFETY FOR THE, THE BICYCLISTS GOING THROUGH THERE? UM, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW THE, THE SAFETY TREATMENTS, UM, ALONG THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR OF, OF SWEETWATER ROAD IS, UH, AT ANY MAJOR COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAY, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO INSTALL THE GREEN BRIGHT, BRIGHT GREEN STRIPING TO, UH, NOTIFY DRIVERS THAT ARE ATTEMPTING TO TURN ACROSS THE BIKE LANE.
UM, THAT THERE'S BIKES THAT COULD BE DRIVING ALONG.
AND THAT WOULD BE PER, PER UH, STANDARD DESIGN.
AND THAT'S EVEN WITH AN EXTENDED, WHAT I I THINK IT'S 40 FOOT DRIVEWAY? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THEN YOU'D HAVE 40 FEET OF THAT BRIGHT GREEN STRIPING THAT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY OPENING.
AND THEN, UM, FOR NOISE, ARE THEY NOT DOING A NOISE STUDY FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH ASPECT OF IT? IS THERE, DOES THEIR PLAN ON HAVING, UM, A LOUD SPEAKER OR, OR WHATNOT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S 24 HOURS? SO UNDER THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODE, I BELIEVE IT'S TITLE 24, THERE WILL BE A REQUIRED NOISE STUDY DUE TO THE HIGH AMBIENT NOISE AS WELL AS THE PROJECT CONDITIONS.
AND THE EX, THE PROPOSED RESIDENCE IS ON SITE.
SO A NOISE STUDY WILL BE REQUIRED.
UM, IT SHOULD BE ALL ENCOMPASSING.
UH, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONALLY AS WE LOOKED AT DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS IN THE PAST IN NATIONAL CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN CONCERN OVER NOISE OPERATIONALLY IS THE SPEAKER SYSTEM.
UM, AND SO WE'VE ALWAYS USED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO, UH, HAVE NOISE ATTENUATING SPEAKERS.
SO THAT WAY WHEN IT'S QUIET OUT THE SPEAKER VOLUME DECREASES, UM, TO AVOID ADDITIONAL NOISE THAT'S NOT NECESSARY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT DID NOT SPECIFY HOURS OF OPERATION.
UH, THERE'S ALSO THE POTENTIAL TO CONSIDER REDUCED HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THAT AS WELL.
BUT AS OF NOW, WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE PROPOSED TENANT WOULD BE.
THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED EATING PLACE ON THE STAFF REPORT.
'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY IT WILL BE.
AND THEN, UM, OUT OF CURIOSITY, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, UH, SO THE RESIDENTS THAT WILL BE THERE AT THE GAS, UH, THE ON ON SITE, UM, IS, IS COULD WE REQUIRE TRIPLE PANE WINDOWS FOR THAT OR, UM, FOR MAYBE NOISE MITIGATION OR SOME SORT OF, UM, EFFORT ON, ON THAT PART? AT
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LEAST FOR THE, THE RESIDENTS THAT WOULD BE LIVING THERE ALL THE TIME? SO THERE, THERE ARE SPECIFIC TITLE 24 REQUIREMENTS.SO THE INTERIOR RECEIVING UNIT, I BELIEVE THE STANDARD IS 45 DECIBELS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE ONE PASSING CAR.
SO, UM, THEY DO HAVE TO PROVIDE THE RIGHT TYPE OF WINDOWS OR TREATMENTS TO GET THERE.
AND AS WELL AS HEPA FILTRATION OR WILL, WILL THERE BE SPECIAL, UM, FILTRATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THOSE RESIDENTS? I, I DON'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE BUILDING CODE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME AIR QUALITY, UH, ASPECTS TO THE CALIFORNIA GREEN BUILDING CODE.
UM, AND I, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT, UM, ONE ACRE CAN, CAN DO 75 UNITS.
IS IS 70 UP TO 75 RESIDENTIAL UNITS? IS THAT OUR, OUR CODE HERE? YEAH, SO THIS PROJECT PROPOSAL IS IN BASICALLY OUR MOST DENSE, MOST ACTIVE ZONE OTHER THAN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN.
UM, SO WHAT THE FIVE UNITS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED IS, IS WELL BELOW WHAT COULD BE ALLOWED ON A SITE LIKE THIS IS, IS WELL BELOW WHAT COULD BE ALLOWED.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, SORRY, I'VE GOT SO MANY QUESTIONS.
CAN I, CAN I CLARIFY THAT FIRST QUESTION? UH, YEAH.
THERE'S NO DIMENSION ON THE SITE PLAN AS FAR AS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE AND THE PROPERTY LINE.
IT APPEARS TO BE ABOUT THREE FEET.
UM, THE APPLICANT STATED THEY WANTED TO PUT A SEVEN FOOT MASONRY WALL THERE.
THE CODE REQUIRES AND ONLY ALLOWS FOR A SIX FOOT MASONRY WALL.
UM, AND THEN ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THEY ARE BASICALLY PROPOSING A ROW OF ITALIAN CYPRESSES.
SO THERE'LL BE BASICALLY A SOLID WALL, WHAT, A SEVEN FOOT SIX SIX FOOT.
WE'VE, WE'VE CONDITIONED TO ONLY ALLOW SIX FEET, UM, PER THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND THERE WOULD ALSO BE A ROW OF ITALIAN CYRUS BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THAT ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL.
IF, NOW, IF THE, IF IT WAS THE COMMISSION'S WANTING, COULD WE ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO DO A SEVEN FOOT WALL IF THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTED TO DO, DO? UM, IT HASN'T BEEN PRESENTED AS A VARIANCE REQUEST.
UM, AND IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE FINDINGS FOR A VARIANCE COULD BE MADE FOR? UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT I'D LET THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WEIGH IN.
WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A FURTHER EV EVALUATION OF THAT.
SO WE CAN EITHER TAKE A RECESS AND WE CAN TAKE A QUICK LOOK, BUT AT THIS TIME, THAT'S NOT PROPOSED, UM, AT THIS TIME.
AND THEN, UM, WILL THE RESTAURANT ALSO HAVE IN-PERSON DINING? I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, STAFF DID REQUEST THAT THERE BE A, AN ENTRANCE FACING SWEETWATER ROAD TO PROVIDE THE FRONTAGE THAT WE WOULD EXPECT ON A MIXED USE PROJECT.
UM, SO THE, HI, SO THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS A DTO DRIVE-THROUGH ONLY.
SO THERE, THERE'S NO RESTAURANT SEATING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S ONLY A FRONT DOOR ENTRY FOR THE EMPLOYEES FOR TO IN AND OUT BUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN BUILDING RECENTLY, WE'VE KNOWN AFTER COVID THAT, UH, FOR INSTANCE, STARBUCKS, DODGER BROTHERS AND ALL THESE GUYS, THEY, ALL THEY REQUIRE NOW IS WHAT THEY CALL DTO DRIVE THROUGH ONLYS.
SO IT WOULD ONLY BE THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH THAT THEY, UH, THEY'D BE ABLE TO ORDER A PICKUP WINDOW IF THAT'S REQUIRED.
SO THEY COULDN'T COME INTO THE, THE, THE MARKET OR GAS STATION OR WHATNOT AND THEN ORDER THROUGH THERE? NO, NO, NO, NO.
THEY'D HAVE TO, FOR INSTANCE, FOR THE, FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH ITSELF, THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH OR, YOU KNOW, THEY DO A, A APP ORDER.
AND THEN THE STORE IS SEPARATE, SO THERE'S NO SEATING OR ANYTHING? NO, NO.
ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO, NO SEATING WHATSOEVER.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING.
UM, AND THEN THE PARKING SPACES, I THINK I COUNTED, SO THOSE ARE RESIDENTIAL PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ALONG THE TOP SIDE BY THE DRIVE THROUGH, UM, UH, STAGING.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THAT THERE ARE DEDICATED RESIDENTIAL SPACES RIGHT THERE.
SO THERE'S SEVEN SPACES AND THERE ARE FIVE UNITS, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT I'M CORRECT.
UM, BUT THEY ARE ALSO OVER PARKED ON THEIR COMMERCIAL SIDE.
SO SHOULD THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL GUEST PARKING? UH, THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR MORE CARS TO PARK.
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ARE DEDICATED SPECIFICALLY TO THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, CORRECT? CORRECT.UM, AND THEN, OH, THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, ARE THESE TWO BE, UM, LEASED, OR ARE THEY AIRBNB OR HOTEL TYPE UNITS? LEASED.
SO IT, IT WILL BE LIKE PERMANENT 30 DAY PLUS TENANTS.
AND OH, I NOTICED ON THE, THE ALCOHOL APPLICANT IS THE ALCOHOL APPLICANT IS THE OWNER OF THE LAND LEASE.
AND THEN, UM, I KNOW, OH, I HAD A QUESTION.
I HEARD SOMEBODY MENTION A FLOOD OF THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS, UM, AND, UH, POSSIBLE, UM, BODIES THAT MAY HAVE FLOATED DOWN.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY, ANYTHING ON THAT? UM, IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, UH, THIS, THIS PROPERTY USED TO BE PART OF THE COUNTY, UM, AND THEN THERE WAS A, UH, ANNEXATION GENERAL PLAN, AMENDMENT AND ZONE CHANGE THAT WAS CONDUCTED AND APPROVED.
AS PART OF THAT, THERE WAS AN INITIAL STUDY CHECKLIST AND I BELIEVE A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
UM, AND ON THAT INITIAL STUDY CHECKLIST, NOTHING WAS SHOWN AS FAR AS HISTORIC RESOURCES OR, UM, ANYTHING IDENTIFYING OR CULTURAL RESOURCES, ANYTHING IDENTIFYING ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS TONIGHT WAS THE FIRST TIME HEARING OF ANY, ANY SUCH THINGS ON STAFF SIDE.
UM, AND HOW MANY FEET IS THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, UNITS THAT ARE PROPOSED, UM, AWAY FROM THE FREEWAY ON RAMP? UM, THAT'S NOT INFORMATION I HAVE PREPARED.
UM, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, PROBABLY AT LEAST 500 FEET.
AND IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, THE ON-RAMPS ARE AFTER THE FLYOVER.
SO IT, IT'S NOT, SO ON THE WEST SIDE OF THIS SITE, NEXT TO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, THREE MAIN, THAT'S OLIVE AVENUE, AND THEN YOU HAVE A FLYOVER FROM THE INTERCHANGE ABOVE THE PROPERTIES, AND THEN THE ON-RAMP IS AFTER THAT.
AND, UM, IF YOU CAN REFRESH MY, MY MEMORY ON THIS ONE, UM, IF IT WAS WITHIN 500 FEET, WOULDN'T THAT AUTOMATICALLY REQUIRE A CQA REPORT OR, OR IT, IT WOULD INITIATE QUA IF IT WAS IN, WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE FREEWAY.
UM, ON RAMP, UH, AS A STAFF MEMBER, I AM UNAWARE OF A 500 FOOT TRIGGER FOR ANY SPECIFIC CQA REQUIREMENTS.
CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER ARMINTA.
I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF SAFETY CONCERNS.
A COUPLE OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, WERE MENTIONING HAVING TROUBLE NOT KNOWING WHO TO CALL, LIKE NATIONAL CITY PD, UH, THE CHP.
SO, UH, IF FOR ANY EMERGENCY, WHO DO THEY ACTUALLY CALL OR WHO COMES IF THEY JUST DIAL 9 1 1? THIS, THIS IS A CHALLENGING AREA.
UM, SO JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT, UM, IF WE LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN ON THE NORTHERN END OF THE PROPERTY, IT SWITCHES FROM CITY OF NATIONAL CITY TO THE COUNTY, UM, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY ON ORANGE, THE COUNTY, THEY'RE BASICALLY BORDERING THE COUNTY UP UNTIL MAYBE A THIRD WAY DOWN THE SITE.
SO A PORTION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IS ALL COUNTY, AND THEN A PORTION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IS CITY OF NATIONAL CITY.
UM, AND THEN EVERYTHING TO THE SOUTH IS CITY OF NATIONAL CITY.
UM, BUT ON TOP OF THAT, WE ALSO HAVE CALTRANS RIGHT WAY.
AND I, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE SPECIFIC TYPES OF JURISDICTION IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE, UH, CALTRANS.
UM, SO WE DID INVESTIGATE ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS EARLY ON, UM, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LEGALLY PARKED CARS AND, AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DIVISION WENT OUT THERE AND THEY, THEY WERE STRUGGLING TO FIGURE OUT WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY THAT WAS.
SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS ABOUT ENFORCEMENT RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE ARE SOME BOUNDARY ISSUES GOING ON HERE THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED.
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AND SERGEANT CAMACHO CAN, UH, EXPAND ON MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS WITH COUNTY, UH, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT.SO THEY'LL GET DISPATCHED TO THE CLOSEST DISPATCH CENTER FROM WHERE THEY'RE CALLING FROM.
A LOT OF THE TIMES WITH LINCOLN ACRES, IT ENDS UP BEING NATIONAL CITY.
IF THEY GIVE AN ADDRESS THAT IS A SHERIFF'S JURISDICTION ADDRESS, IT'LL THEN BE TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
IF IT'S A NINE ONE ONE CALL IN THAT GENERAL AREA, TYPICALLY IT'S GONNA COME TO US AND THEN WE GO OUT TO, UH, MANAGE JURISDICTION.
IF WE DETERMINE THE CRIME HAPPENED IN THE SHERIFF'S JURISDICTION, THEN WE CALL THE SHERIFFS OUT.
OBVIOUSLY, IF IT'S AN ACTIVE CRIME SCENE, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE INVESTIGATING, NOT JUST BE LIKE, OH, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN UNTIL THE SHERIFFS GET HERE.
WE'LL CONTINUE EVALUATING UNTIL THEY COME, BUT WE'RE AT THE MUTUAL AID OF THEM.
THEY'RE AT THE MUTUAL AID OF US IF THERE'S A CATASTROPHIC INCIDENT OR ANY TYPE OF TRAFFIC COLLISION OR ANYTHING THAT NEEDS MUTUAL AID.
AND SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT PROPERTY, IS THAT ON NATIONAL CITY PROPERTY? THE WHOLE LOT.
I ALSO, UM, CAN YOU SHOW THE PICTURE WITH THE, THAT SHOWS KIND OF LIKE THE STREETS, LIKE THE REAL IMAGE INSTEAD OF THE DRAWING? UH, YEAH, RIGHT THERE.
SO THE, THESE, UH, FUEL TRUCKS OR DELIVERY TRUCKS OR WHATEVER, UM, OR ALL THOSE TYPE OF TRUCKS, WHAT IS THE, THE ANGLE, LIKE HOW MUCH SPACE DO THEY NEED WHEN THEY'RE TURNING FROM SWEETWATER ONTO ORANGE? UM, I'M ASKING THAT JUST BECAUSE WHEN I WAS DOING THE SITE SURVEY ON SUNDAY, THE MORRISON FAMILY PROBABLY COUNTED MY CAR, BUT, UH, IN THAT PICTURE, THEY ALREADY HAVE CARS ON BOTH SIDES.
AND WHEN I WAS DRIVING UP ORANGE, THERE WAS A CAR COMING OPPOSITE, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAD TO PAUSE AND LET ME DRIVE THROUGH, BECAUSE REALLY ONLY THREE CARS PER SE CAN BE ON THAT ROAD.
THERE WAS NO, UH, LIKE FOUR, FOUR CAR LANE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, SO I FOUND THAT VERY DISTURBING FOR ME, YOU KNOW, JUST IN MY, YOU KNOW, CAR, FAMILY CAR.
SO HOW WOULD A FUEL TRUCK MAKE THAT TURN IF THERE'S CARS PARKED THERE? UM, I, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED IN THE LOCAL TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES HERE IS THAT THAT PARTICULAR RIGHT OF WAY IS, UM, NOT AS WIDE AS THE NATIONAL CITY STANDARD, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR DIRECTOR COULD MAYBE SPEAK MORE TO THIS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER EVERYTHING IN THAT AREA BECAUSE OF THE BOUNDARY CHANGE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT PROVIDED, OR THE APPLICANT IS SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING FOR WATER DRIVEWAYS TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT TURNING RADIUSES ON THAT, ON THAT VEHICLE.
WOULD THOSE PARKING SPACES REMAIN OR WOULD THEY BE REMOVED WITH THIS BUSINESS? THE APPLICANT CAN COME FORWARD, PLEASE, IN FRONT OF THE HOUSES, THE APPLICANT WOULD, WOULD PROPOSE TO, TO RED CURB THEIR ENTIRE, UH, SITE, WHICH WOULD TAKE THE CARS OFF OF THAT AND OPEN IT UP.
THAT WOULD BE THEIR, SO THAT, SO WHERE YOUR PROPERTY STARTS, THE LOT STARTS TO THE, TO, UH, ON ORANGE AVENUE, ALL THE WAY TO SWEETWATER WOULD BE RED.
RED WOULD BE RED CURBED ON BOTH SIDES? SIDES? NO, NO, JUST WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THE EAST SIDE.
UH, THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU, BUT, BUT WE WOULD PROPOSE THE APPLICANT WOULD PROPOSE TO RED CURB ALL OF THE STREET FRONTAGE ON ORANGE ON ITS PARCEL.
UM, THE CAN, UH, FOR CITY STAFF, THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WHEN EXACTLY WAS IT DONE? LIKE WHAT TIME, UH, WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK AND WHAT TIME? UH, STEVE MANGAN, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS, UM, THE DATA WAS COLLECTED IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR, SO APPROXIMATE, UM, THAT WAS ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO.
THEY FINISHED THEIR ANALYSIS IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL.
SO BASICALLY FROM AUGUST TO OCTOBER IS WHEN THE STUDY WAS COMPLETED, AND IT WAS, IT COUNTS FOR TRAFFIC 24 HOURS A DAY.
SO ON UH, SWEETWATER ROAD, YES, THERE'S, UH, DAILY TRAFFIC COUNTS.
UM, IN ORDER TO CONDUCT THE LOCAL TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE POTENTIAL OPERATIONAL ISSUES, UH, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO LOOK AT THE PEAK HOURS OF ADJACENT STREET TRAFFIC,
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WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY YOUR MORNING COMMUTE TIME AND YOUR EARLY EVENING COMMUTE TIME.THAT'S THE BASIS FOR THE ANALYSIS OF POTENTIAL OF DEFICIENCIES AND OPERATIONS.
SO THEY DID THAT, UM, AT THE INTERSECTION OF SWEETWATER AND ORANGE.
SO THEY DID COLLECT ACTUAL COUNT DATA THERE.
AND, UH, AS INDICATED IN, UM, MR. WELCH'S PRESENTATION, UM, WITHOUT THE PROJECT, THE, UM, THAT INTERSECTION OPERATES AT AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
WHEN YOU ADD IN THE PROJECT TRAFFIC, IT OPERATES AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE E THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO INSTALL A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
THE, UM, APPLICANT'S LICENSE TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAD TO DO A WARRANT ANALYSIS CONSISTENT WITH THE CALIFORNIA MANUAL ON UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES TO SEE IF IT WOULD MEET ANY OF THE WARRANTS.
UM, WITH THE ADDITION OF PROJECT TRAFFIC, IT DID MEET THE PEAK HOUR WARRANT, WHICH ALLOWS THE CITY TO, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UH, IF APPROVED.
UM, I WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THE, THE REMARK FROM ONE OF THE RESIDENTS ABOUT THE FLOOD AND THE BODIES.
UH, NOW THAT IT'S MENTIONED, IS THERE ANY, UH, POSSIBILITY OF A STUDY FOR THAT, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE CLEAR THAT? OR DOES THE, THE APPLICANT NEED TO PROPOSE THAT, OR IS THAT JUST A MENTIONED THING AND NOTHING HAPPENS? UM, THAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE SOMETHING WE WOULD ADDRESS THROUGH SOME HISTORIC RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS, UH, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE AT THIS TIME.
UM, SO IF, IF MORE INFORMATION WAS BROUGHT FORWARD, WE'D HAVE TO ADDRESS IT BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED.
I APPRECIATE IF WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, THE BUSINESS, UM, IS IT ONLY FOR CARS OR IS IT GOING TO BE FOR LIKE TRUCKERS? BECAUSE THIS JUST, IN MY MIND, I SEE IT AND JUST THE WAY THE BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST FEEL LIKE, IS IT GONNA BE LIKE A TRUCKER STOP? JUST YEAH.
SO, UH, COULD YOU PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN GET IT ON THE RECORD, PLEASE? THE RECORD? UH, NO, IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR, FOR A TRUCKER OR A TRUCK STOP.
IT'S JUST REGULAR, REGULAR GAS STATION, REGULAR VEHICLES.
'CAUSE I, I PICTURE THE DELIVERY TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF AT MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT A TRUCKER WANTS TO STOP BY.
YEAH, USUALLY THOUGH, USUALLY YOU'D HAVE LIKE A COUPLE ACRES, THEN THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DEDICATED DIESEL AREAS AND ALL THAT.
YEAH, WE WERE JUST REGULAR GAS STATION.
UH, AND THEN IF I CAN ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION, UM, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR COMMENTS THAT YOU CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.
DO YOU LIVE IN NATIONAL CITY? NO, I DON'T.
AND THEN, UH, ON YOUR MEETINGS, UH, RESIDENT MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS TWO MEETINGS.
ONE IN JULY AND ONE IN AUGUST.
AND WITH THE, UM, AMOUNT OF, UH, COMMUNITY CARE AND OUTREACH THAT YOUR BUSINESS IS DUE, WAS THERE ANY THOUGHT FROM YOU, UM, TO REACH OUT AGAIN IF THERE WAS ONLY TWO, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ATTENDED YOUR AUGUST MEETING? I BELIEVE THE FIR, I BELIEVE THE FIRST ONE, WE HAD FOUR FAMILIES COME IN.
AND THEN, UH, THE SECOND ONE, I BELIEVE IT WAS ONE FAMILY CAME IN, UM, AT, AT THE TIME, BUT WE DID ONE, WE DID, I THINK IT WAS IN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER, WE DID MEETING AFTER MEETING JUST TO MAKE SURE.
NO, BUT WE SUBMITTED, WE SENT, UH, TO ALL THE ADDRESSES THAT WERE REQUESTED, AND WE MADE SURE EVERYBODY WITHIN THE VICINITY OF CERTAIN, CERTAIN, UH, FOOTAGE GOT ALL THE LETTERS THAT WE ARE HAVING A COMMUNITY MEETING.
AND THEY WERE BOTH IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH, THESE LETTERS, UM, TO DELIVER IT TO THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE.
WELL, EVERY, EVERYBODY ON THAT SHEET THAT I, I PROPOSED GOT, GOT THAT NOTICE AND THEY GOT IT TWICE.
AND THEN I BELIEVE THE CITY, I, I RECEIVED IT ONCE.
WELL, WE, WE DID SEND THOSE TWICE.
WE SENT THEM OUT TWICE AS REQUESTED FROM THE, FROM THE CITY CERTIFIED, UH, BUSINESS.
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MM-HMM.AND, UH, IS THERE, I, I DIDN'T SEE, UH, WINMORE, IS THERE A BUS STOP NEARBY? I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE, ON SWEET WEATHER.
RIGHT? RIGHT IN FRONT OF SOME OF THE, RIGHT IN FRONT OF OKAY.
ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS THE STREET ON, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE LOT, UH, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE
IS THAT NEAR THAT MAKESHIFT MEMORIAL? STRAIGHT OUT FRONT, MY FRONT DOOR.
THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER QUINONE, MIKE, SAMANTHA ASKED A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS GONNA ASK, BUT, UM, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT, THE ONE WHERE SAYS THE SITE PLAN, RIGHT? GO BACK.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UM, WHEN THERE'S A FUNERAL, THEY'RE GOING NORTH RIGHT THROUGH THE ORANGE STREET.
AND, UM, SO HOW IS THAT GONNA WORK WHEN THERE'S PEOPLE TRYING TO COME IN TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GET A GAS CAR WASH OR WHATEVER? WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S A STOPLIGHT THERE.
THERE'S GONNA BE A LIGHT, BUT THE FUNERAL DOESN'T, THEY DON'T, UM, LISTEN TO, THEY DON'T GO BY THE STOPLIGHT.
THEY JUST KEEP GOING STRAIGHT, DON'T THEY? WHEN THERE'S A FUNERAL, BUT THEY JUST KEEP GOING STRAIGHT.
IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? I, I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVEN'T BEEN IN A FUNERAL IN A LONG TIME, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN AT A FUNERAL FOR A LONG TIME.
SO DOES THE, HOW DOES THAT WORK? THE LIGHTS, EVEN IF IT'S A RED OR A GREEN, THE FUNERAL KEEPS ON GOING DOWN TO THE CEMETERY, CORRECT? YEAH, THEY TAKE OVER.
SO HOW IS THAT GOING, GOING TO WORK WHEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET INTO THE CAR WASH OR TO THE GAS STATION OR TO THE FOOD PLACE, OR HOW IS THAT GONNA WORK? IT'S NOT, THEY STOP.
IF, IF THERE'S A FORMAL PROCESSION WITH MOTOR ESCORTS YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
UM, WHAT THE ESCORTS WILL DO, UM, THEY WILL STOP THE, THE TRAFFIC SAFELY AND THEY'LL HAVE EVERYBODY PROCESS SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT.
BUT IF THERE ISN'T A FORMAL PROCESSION, THE PUBLIC MUST RESPECT THE, THE LAWS.
SO IF THERE'S A RED LIGHT, IF THERE'S A STOP SIGN, WHATEVER IT IS, THE GENERAL PUBLIC MUST RESPECT THOSE LAWS.
THE ONLY TIME THAT, UM, THEY WILL GO THROUGH, UM, TRAFFIC LIGHTS OR STOP SIGNS IS WHEN THERE IS A MOTORCADE AND THEY'RE GO, THEY'RE SAFELY, UM, YOU KNOW, STOPPING TRAFFIC SO THAT THEY CAN DO THAT.
THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING TO FORM.
SO I WAS JUST THINKING OF ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA BE GOING IN AND COMING OUT WHEN THERE'S A FORMAL SECOND OF ALL.
WHEN YOU'RE UP THERE WHERE IT'S THE PINK, I CAN'T SEE VERY WELL, BUT WHERE IT'S PINK, ARE THOSE CARS THAT'S GONNA BE PARKING RIGHT WHERE THE PARKING RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT'S THE RESIDENT PARKING THERE, UHHUH.
AND, UM, LIKE STAFF MENTIONED, WE HAVE MORE PARKING THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED.
SO IF THEY DO HAVE GUESTS OR ANYTHING, WE DO HAVE AN OVERFLOW OF PARKING AS WELL.
NOW, ARE THEY GONNA BE GOING FORWARD TOWARDS SOUTH OR ARE THEY GONNA BE BACKING OUT TO GET OUTTA THAT PARKING SPACE? THEY'RE GONNA BACK OUT.
THEY'RE GONNA BE, SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING WHERE THE LITTLE WHERE THE CARS ARE AT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO STOP AND JUST CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD.
SO, SO THAT'S THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
UM, SO YEAH, THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE BOTH, BOTH WAYS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT'S THE PARKING LOT.
AND SO CARS WILL BE MOVING THROUGH THE PARKING LOT WHERE YOU SEE THE BLUE CARS IS WHERE THE GAS DISPENSERS ARE.
AND WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE FUELING UP AT THE FUELING STATIONS.
AND WHERE IS THE, THE RESTAURANT OR EATING PLACE GONNA BE AT? SO FORGOT.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE CORNER RIGHT THERE.
AND IT'S GONNA BE A DRIVE THROUGH.
WHAT KIND OF FOOD'S GONNA BE SERVED? WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SURE YET.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A TENANT CURRENTLY, UHHUH
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING TO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, BUT IT WILL BE A DRIVE THROUGH ONLY.
AND IF YOU NOTICE HOW THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR CARS TO STACK SO THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THEM OVERFLOWING INTO, INTO THE ROAD.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SUCH A, WHEN I PASSED BY THERE, IT SEEMED LIKE SUCH A SMALL LOT FOR SPACE FOR ALL THAT.
THAT'S, I'M TRYING 2020 PARKS AT THAT.
AND THEN, UH, AS FAR AS, UM, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A 1200 SQUARE FOOT, YOU KNOW, BUILDING, UH, DRIVE THROUGH ONLY WITH ONLY ACCESS FOR THE EMPLOYEES TO GO INSIDE THE BUILDING.
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, SO THE CAR TO THE CEMETERY,
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REMEMBER THEY COME BACK DOWN.UH, I, I CANNOT OPEN IT BACK UP TO THE PUBLIC AT THIS TIME.
YOU WOULD RED LINE THE ENTIRE AREA, SO THAT WOULD REALLY TAKE A LOT OF THE PARKING ON THAT STREET.
WOULDN'T THAT OUR ONLY ON OUR PORTION? YEAH, BUT THAT'S, BUT MAYBE THAT'S WHY, MAYBE, MAYBE BECAUSE MAYBE BECAUSE OF THAT REASON.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S A TRAFFIC JAM WHERE THEY CAN'T TURN RIGHT.
UH, SIR, YOU, YOU WOULD NEED TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE TO, SO, SO OBVIOUSLY TR TRAFFIC IS A BIG, BIG, UH, ISSUE HERE.
UH, WE'RE OUR 40 FOOT, UH, DRIVEWAY THAT WE HAVE SITTING THERE, THERE'S LITERALLY ONE OR TWO CARS THAT PARK IN THE CORNER THAT MAKE IT VERY HARD FOR TWO LANES TO MAKE, BE ABLE TO GO, MAKE EITHER MAKE A LEFT OR A RIGHT.
SO THAT ONE POR THAT ONE PORTION OUTSIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY ENTRY, THAT ONE PORTION THERE, WE PROPOSE TO MAKE IT A FIRE LANE WHERE IT GIVES ACCESSIBILITY THROUGH FOR TWO CARS.
ONE TO STAND STRAIGHT, THE OTHER ONE TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN IF NECESSARY WITHOUT HAVING TO CAUSE TRAFFIC BACK UP.
AND HOPEFULLY THE LIGHTS, THE TRAFFIC LIGHT IS GONNA BE THE SOLUTION FOR EVERYBODY'S CONCERN, YOU KNOW.
PROPERTY QUESTION IS LESS, UM, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ? NO.
UM, IS THERE A MEDIAN ON SWEETWATER IN RIGHT THERE? UH, WILL, WILL THE, UM, IF CARS WERE TO EXIT ON SWEETWATER AND THERE WAS A LIGHT THERE, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO MAKE A LEFT OUT OF THE GAS STATION? I, I'M, I JUST COULDN'T REMEMBER IF THERE WAS A MEDIAN OR NOT.
UH, SO IF THE SIGNAL GOES IN, THAT CENTER TURN LANE WOULD BECOME A DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE.
SO FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE TRAVELING, UH, EASTBOUND, THEY WOULD GET A GREEN ARROW WHEN THE SIGNAL COMES UP, THEY'D GET A GREEN ARROW AND GET A PROTECTED LEFT TURN TO GO ONTO ORANGE STREET.
UH, RIGHT NOW, UH, CARS CAN STILL MAKE THAT LEFT TURN, BUT IT'S PERMITTED, MEANING THEY HAVE TO YIELD TO THROUGH TRAFFIC.
SO THAT'S, THAT IS A SAFETY FEATURE OF A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
HAVING THAT PROTECTED LEFT TURN.
NOW EXITING THE GAS STATION, UH, WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER TO SEE IF, UM, LEFT TURNS CAN STILL OCCUR.
THEY, THEY CAN, IF THEY DON'T CONFLICT WITH THE DEDICATED LEFT TURN POCKET.
SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT DURING THE DESIGN PHASE.
AND WOULD, IF, IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, FOUND THAT, HEY, IF THERE'S TWO OR THREE CARS MAKING A LEFT TURN, THEN WE, WE WOULD PUT A SIGN THAT SAID RIGHT TURN ONLY OUT OF THE, UM, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME TYPE TYPE OF MITIGATION.
AND THAT WOULD TYPICALLY, AGAIN, GET VETTED THROUGH THE, UM, FINAL SITE DESIGN AND SIGNAL, SIGNAL DESIGN PLANS TO MAKE SURE THAT, AS YOU MENTIONED, VICE CHAIR, IF THERE'S GONNA BE, UM, DURING THE PEAK PERIODS, UM, QUEUING ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS VEHICLES COULD, COULD STACK PAST THE DRIVEWAY, THEN THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF RESTRICTION.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR CONCERN IS IF, YOU KNOW, THE LIGHT BACKED UP MM-HMM.
AND THEN, UM, I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I FORGOT TO ASK, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR OFFICER CAMACHO, MY BFF OVER THERE.
UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME, UH, I, I, I DO HAVE CON CONCERNS WITH THE, UM, WITH THE TYPE 21 AND OFF CELL, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE UNHOUSED, UM, THAT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET IN THE JUNGLE.
UM, WHAT IS A-C-P-T-E-D? SO THAT'S A REPORT THAT'S TYPICALLY DONE, UH, IT'S CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENT ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN.
IT'S LOOKED AT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE AND SEEN HOW THEY CAN MITIGATE, UH, CRIME FROM OCCURRING AT THAT LOCATION, UH, THROUGH THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, THROUGH THE DESIGN, UH, OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
LANDSCAPING, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, LIGHTING SOLUTIONS.
UH, IT WOULD LOOK AT TRAFFIC AS, AS A CONSIDERATION FOR IT AND MITIGATE THE BUILDING DESIGN SO THAT IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THINGS AFTER THE FACT TO TRY TO IMPROVE PUBLIC SAFETY'S
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DONE BEFORE IN THE BUILDING PLAN AND BUILDING DESIGN.THAT'S TYPICALLY SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE COMPANY TO DO ON THEIR BLUEPRINTS, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
SO THAT HAS NOT IT, THAT HAS NOT TAKEN PLACE OR IS NOT CURRENTLY PART OF THE DESIGN OF IT.
NOW THERE'S SOME CITY CODES THAT HAVE CEP TED QUALITIES TO THEM, BUT A SEP TED SPECIFIC REPORT BY A SEP TED CERTIFIED PERSON, I DON'T BELIEVE HAS BEEN DONE OR EVALUATED ON THIS PROPERTY.
CHAIR MILLER? I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
I, I DON'T KNOW, COMMISSIONER, CAN YOU HEAR THIS ANSWER BEFORE? BUT, UM, THE TRAFFIC LIGHT THAT'S GOING TO BE, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE THERE IS, THAT'S ON ORANGE STREET, RIGHT? UH, AGAIN, IF, IF, UM, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD AND THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS APPROVED, UM, YES, IT WOULD BE AT THE INTERSECTION OF SWEETWATER ROAD IN ORANGE STREET.
SO WHEN THE CARS ARE LEAVING AND THEY'RE LEAVING, THEY'RE GOING OUT THAT WAY, UH, THEY'RE ONLY GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE A RIGHT.
AT THE VERY END THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE RESPONDING TO EARLIER.
SO DURING, UH, THE DESIGN PHASE, THEY WOULD BE DOING, UM, A TRAFFIC OPERATIONS ANALYSIS FOR THE SIGNAL.
IF IT'S SHOWN THAT, UH, THERE'S GOING TO BE STACKING THAT WOULD BLOCK, UM, THE DRIVEWAY, THEN THAT DRIVEWAY WOULD NEED TO BE RESTRICTED TO A RIGHT TURN ONLY.
AND THAT WOULD, AGAIN, THAT PROCESS WOULD BE VETTED THROUGH FINAL DESIGN, NOT AT THIS TIME.
'CAUSE THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN SWEETWATER AND TRY TO COME BACK IF THEY'RE GOING WELL.
WELL, AGAIN, VEHICLES CAN EXIT ON ORANGE STREET WITH A RIGHT TURN AND THEN MAKE A LEFT AT THE NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT SWEETWATER AND ORANGE IF THEY NEED TO GO, IF THEY NEED TO HEAD EAST.
COMMISSIONER ARMENTO, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF.
IS THERE A WEIGHT LIMIT ON THE TRUCKS ON FOR ORANGE AVENUE ON, SINCE IT'S A RESIDENTIAL NARROW STREET? SO OTHER THAN THE, THE FIRST, UM, TWO TO 300 FEET, THAT'S A, THAT'S A COUNTY MAINTAINED ROADWAY.
SO THAT WOULD, UH, AS FAR AS TRUCKS GOING PAST THE SITE NORTH ON ORANGE STREET, THAT WOULD BE, UH, DETERMINED BY THE, THE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, UM, TO ACCESS THIS SITE.
RIGHT NOW, UM, WE DO LOOK AT, UM, OFF STREET ASSESSMENTS.
THAT'S WHERE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL CAME INTO PLAY.
WE LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THE SIDEWALKS.
UM, WE WOULD ALSO LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THE STREET TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN SATISFACTORY CONDITION TO, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, UM, ACCOMMODATE THESE LARGER VEHICLES.
AND I WOULD ALSO KNOW, 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME COMMENTS ABOUT HOW ARE THESE, UH, LARGER GAS TRUCKS GONNA GET IN AND OFF THE PROPERTY.
YOU COULD SEE ON THE SITE PLAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ENGINEER DID PUT, UH, THE TURNING TEMPLATE THAT SHOWS WITH THE WIDER DRIVEWAYS, THE ABILITY FOR A GAS TRUCK TO, UM, ENTER AND EXIT THE SITE.
SO THAT IS PART OF THEIR SITE PLAN.
AND THOSE ARE THOSE TURNING TEMPLATES ARE THINGS THAT WE REQUIRE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IT WILL WORK.
UM, ONE OF MY MAIN QUESTIONS, UH, IS FOR, UH, THE NOISE, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CAR WASH.
I KNOW THAT YOU'VE SAID, UH, STAFF HAS SAID THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A FURTHER NOISE STUDY.
WHY HASN'T THAT BEEN DONE? UM, THE REASON I BRING IT UP IS BECAUSE THE, UM, CAR WASH AT SOAPY JOE'S, UH, THE, WHEN YOU EXIT THE TUNNEL THERE, UH, IF YOU'RE STANDING OVER IN THE DENNY'S PARKING LOT, IT IS VERY NOISY.
AND I WOULD LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION, NUMBER ONE ON THE TYPE OF CAR WASH THAT THIS WOULD BE.
IS THIS A, IS IT LIKE A SOAPY JOE'S WHERE THE, THE DRIVER STAYS IN THE CAR AND CARS ARE TAKEN THROUGH, PUSHED THROUGH ON A BELT CONVEYOR BELT KIND OF A THING? OR IS THIS THE KIND WHERE A CAR PULLS INTO THE CAR WASH AND THEN AN APP PARKS AND AN APPARATUS COMES AND WASHES THE CAR AND THEN THE CAR PULLS OUT? CAN WE GET CLARIFICATION FROM EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT ON THAT? SO THE PROPOSAL IS FOR AN AUTO AUTOMATED CAR WASH, WHICH WOULD
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MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO MANUAL CLEANING GOING ON IF THE CAR GETS PULLED THROUGH OR YEAH.UM, AS FAR AS THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT WITHIN THE ENCLOSED CAR WASH, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK MORE TO THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THEY'RE LOOKING TO HAVE INSTALLED IN THERE.
PLEASE COME FORWARD TO ANSWER MY QUESTION.
SO THE CAR WASH IS A, I THINK IT'S A, IS IT A 45 FOOT TUNNEL ON THAT? I THINK IT'S A 45 FOOT TUNNEL.
IT'S JUST A STANDARD CAR WASH WHERE ONCE YOU GO IN, YOU PARK, IT'LL SAY STOP.
AND THEN THE, THE BRUSHES GO BACK AND FORTH.
UH, IT USUALLY LASTS ABOUT THREE MINUTES.
AND THEN WITH TODAY'S TECHNOLOGY, THE, THE MACHINE AND THE BLOWERS TODAY HAVE, ARE, ARE UNBELIEVABLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY, IT'S NOT LIKE, SO, SO JOE HAS MORE OLDER EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY.
AND THEN WHEN THEY, AS THEY START CHANGING THINGS, IT GETS BETTER AND BETTER.
SO WE'VE BEEN, UH, FORTUNATE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THAT CURRENTLY TODAY THEY GOT, THEY GOT THE BLOWERS AND THE MACHINERY, IT'S A LOT QUIETER.
IS THERE AN EXAMPLE HERE IN SAN DIEGO SOMEWHERE OF A, AN OPERATION LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT STAFF COULD LOOK AT? WE'RE WORKING WITH A COMPANY CALLED ISABEL RIGHT NOW, AND, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE LATEST AND GREATEST AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE US ALL THE, ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND ALL THE STUDIES THAT NEED TO GET PROPOSED.
WE JUST, UH, WE JUST SAT AND TALKED TO THEM AND THEY'RE GONNA GET US THE LATEST AND GREATEST 'CAUSE OUR CONCERN WAS QUIETNESS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE BEST OF THE BEST ON THAT.
UM, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT STAFF IS LOOKING AT THAT ASPECT OF IT VERY CLOSELY BECAUSE, UM, AGAIN, THE EXIT FROM SOAPY JOE'S IS EXTREMELY LOUD, UH, DISTURBINGLY LOUD TO ME ANYWAYS.
UM, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF THIS DOES, IF THIS PROPOSAL DOES GO FORWARD, THAT STAFF ADDRESSES THAT, UH, AND ENSURES THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE DAMPENING OF IT, EVEN IN MY OPINION, UH, INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF THE, THE WALL, THE, THE NORTHERN MOST WALL ALONG THE, THE PROPERTY LINE TWO, SEVEN, OR EVEN EIGHT FEET.
IF, UH, THE NOISE ATTENUATION FROM THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, SO THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN.
ALSO, I WANT TO KNOW IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OR IF STAFF IS EVEN CONSIDERED A TRAFFIC CIRCLE IN LIEU OF A, UH, TRAFFIC LIGHT AT ORANGE AND SWEETWATER.
UM, WE HAVE NOT AT THIS LOCATION, UH, WE HAVE NOT, UM, DESIGNED OR IMPLEMENTED A TRAFFIC CIRCLE ON A, UM, MULTI-LANE ROADWAY BEFORE NATIONAL CITY.
SO YOU DO HAVE, UH, FOUR TRAVEL LANES ON SWEETWATER ROAD TWO IN EACH DIRECTION.
UM, WE'VE BEEN HESITANT TO LOOK, LOOK AT THAT ON BUSIER ARTERIALS.
UM, IT'S NOT TO SAY WE CAN'T EXPLORE IT, BUT, UH, WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT IN THE CITY.
UH, THE TRAFFIC CIRCLES WE HAVE ARE ON TYPICALLY ON TWO LANE ROADS THAT ARE LOWER, LOWER VOLUME STREETS.
UH, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF STAFF WOULD LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE SERIOUSLY.
I KNOW OTHER CITIES HAVE MASSIVE TRAFFIC CIRCLES THAT, THAT DO WORK.
UH, IT'S NOT A NEW SCIENCE, IT IS SOMETHING THAT DOES WORK IN OTHER CITIES, AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH IF STAFF WOULD LOOK SERIOUSLY AT THAT.
TRAFFIC CIRCLES, IN MY EXPERIENCE, ALLOW, UH, TRAFFIC TO KEEP MOVING, ALBEIT MORE SLOWLY THAN USUAL, BUT IT KEEPS MOVING AND, UH, THAT'S THE SECRET TO GOOD TRAFFIC FLOW AS TRAFFIC CONTINUES TO CONSTANTLY MOVE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ, MY, LIKE, HOW EVERYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC AND FINDING SOLUTIONS.
UM, MY CONCERN IS ON THE, UH, ON THE TIMES, ARE THEY GONNA REFLECT SOME OF THE TIMES THAT ARE ALREADY BEING PLACED THERE? LIKE THE, THE ALCOHOL SALE WAS FROM WHAT TIME TO WHAT TIME AGAIN? SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE OPERATION OF THE CAR WASH.
SO THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE, UH, THERE WAS NO TIME LIMITATION, THE CONVENIENCE STORE, THERE WAS NO TIME LIMITATION.
I'LL SELL ALCOHOL AT THE CONVENIENCE STORE WAS FROM 6:00 AM TO 2:00 AM WHICH, UM, AND THEN, UH, THE CAR WASH THE APPLICANT PROPOSED FOR 24 HOURS A DAY.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS 7:00 AM
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TO 7:00 PM OR YEAH, 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM WHICH COINCIDES WITH OUR DAYTIME NOISE, UH, REQUIREMENTS.THE, I GUESS THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE WOULD BE THAT TO MAKE A NOTE ON THE ALCOHOL AT THIS POINT TO REFLECT THE AREA, WHICH IS AT, UH, MIDNIGHT AND TAKE IT FROM THERE.
UM, ALONG, JUST FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ HAS SAID, UH, I KNOW THAT THE SOAPY JOE'S, THEY SUSPEND THEIR OPERATION IN THE EVENINGS AT 9:00 PM AND I THINK IT WOULD BE IN KEEPING, UM, WITH THAT, TO LIMIT THIS TO FROM 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM UM, SO FAR AS, UM, ALCOHOL SALES 2:00 AM UM, THAT'S REALLY, UH, I THINK THAT'S TOO LONG.
I, I'D RATHER SEE 11:00 PM OR EVEN MIDNIGHT PERSONNEL.
UH, WHAT TIME DOES NATIONAL CITY SPORTS LOUNGE STOP SERVING ALCOHOL? UM, AND WHAT TIME ARE THEY THEY DONE, ARE THEY STILL AT LIKE 12:00 PM OR ARE THEY 2:00 AM 12:00 AM 1:00 AM 12.
THEY OPERATE UNDER THE GENERAL GUIDELINES THAT THEY CAN SERVE UP UNTIL 2:00 AM AND WHEN THEY HAVE TO CLOSE.
SO TYPICALLY THEY'LL DO LAST CALL AROUND ONE 30 IN THE MORNING.
'CAUSE I KNOW THEY USED TO STOP EARLIER, SO THAT'S WHY I WASN'T SURE IF THEY WERE STILL ON THAT.
THEN HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, UM, HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER AMENTA TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
VICE CHAIR CASTLE HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.
DO YOU HAVE COMMENT? ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU.
THEN WE WILL, UH, NOW TAKE A VOTE ON CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS ONLY TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULT OF THE VOTE MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONERS ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES.
UM, ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO BRING A MOTION, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT.
UM, I KNOW I DO HAVE CONCERN THAT ORANGE IS VERY NARROW.
I HAVE ANOTHER CONCERN ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY COMING OUT OF THE DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, I ALSO HAVE CONCERN WITH THE, UH, THE, UH, UNHOUSED UNHOUSED AND THE ALCOHOL, UM, SALES, UM, COMING OUT OF THERE.
AND THEN FOR THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, IT WOULD BE OKAY TO PUT RESIDENTIAL UNITS ABOVE A GAS STATION.
I JUST HAVE A STRONG CONCERN FOR, UM, FOR THAT.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION.
UM, I, I THINK FOR, UH, THE, THE GRAVES THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE LOCATED THERE, UM, THAT WE SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, FROM THE STAFF AND, AND THE RESEARCH DONE ON THAT.
SO MAYBE, UH, CONTINUE A CONTINUANCE, UM, MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'D LOOK AT FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OPEN TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS, THIS IS A DISTURBED PARCEL.
THERE USED TO BE A, A BUILDING HERE OF SOME KIND.
YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, FOUNDATION.
WHAT REMAINS OF IT? UH, I DON'T KNOW.
DOES STAFF KNOW WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE? ALSO THERE WAS NOTED ONE PERSON IN A, IN A PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THERE USED TO BE A GAS STATION THERE AND THAT WERE, THERE WERE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS.
AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE, UM, THE INFORMATION ON THAT AS WELL, UM, TO SEE IF THOSE WERE ABATED CORRECTLY.
AND WHAT EXACTLY THE UNDERGROUND, UM, SITUATION IS
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IN THAT AREA.ARE WE AWARE AND STAFF RESPOND? UM, STAFF'S KNOWLEDGE IS THAT THE NOW DEMOLISHED STRUCTURES WERE AT ONE TIME, I THINK SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, THERE'S MULTIPLE TAX PARCELS THERE.
SO I BELIEVE THERE WAS MULTIPLE HOUSES.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW AT WHICH TIME THEY WERE DEMOLISHED.
UM, THE INFORMATION, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THE HOMES WERE CONSTRUCTED ABOUT 75 YEARS AGO.
UM, AT WHICH TIME, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT RECORD UP TO A CERTAIN TIME.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UM, WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE A RECORD ON THIS SITE 'CAUSE IT'S, IT WAS COUNTY AT THAT TIME.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, THE PERMANENT RECORD HISTORY ON PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER THERE WAS A GAS STATION THERE OR WE ALSO DON'T HAVE RECORD ON, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE HOUSES WERE BUILT.
UM, BUT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, BEEN PROVIDED TAX ASSESSORS, UH, INFORMATION ABOUT, THERE WAS, THERE WERE HOUSES SINCE LIKE THE 1940S.
UM, AS FAR AS THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS, UH, WE CHECKED DATABASES.
UH, WE'VE BASICALLY FOUND NO INFORMATION SUBSTANTIATING THAT THERE WERE EVER ANY UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, NOT BELIEVING, UM, THE COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.
UH, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD TO PROVE THAT.
WE ALSO DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD THAT IF THEY WERE THERE, UM, WERE THEY ABATED OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ABATED TO, YOU KNOW, BUILD THOSE HOUSES AT ONE TIME.
OTHERWISE THOSE HOUSES WOULD'VE BEEN BUILT ON TOP OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD SEEM LIKE A SHAKY FOUNDATION HAVING TANKS UNDERNEATH THEM.
UM, SO THE, WHAT WHAT'S BEEN PTED IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A GAS STATION THERE OR SOME TYPE OF FUEL, UH, BUSINESS, UM, THAT INCLUDED SOME TYPE OF UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK, BUT IT WOULD'VE BEEN BUILT AND OPERATED BEFORE THE 1940S WHERE WE HAVE NO PERMIT RECORD.
WE ALSO DON'T HAVE ANY DATABASE SAYING THAT THERE IS EXISTING TANKS UNDERGROUND.
SO, UM, STAFF DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO GO ON TO REALLY SAY WE NEED SOME KIND OF MITIGATION HERE TO DEAL WITH THAT.
COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ, SO THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THIS WAS, THAT THIS IS A POLLUTED SITE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE, WE CHECKED, UH, GEO TRACKER, WHICH IS THE, UH, STATE DATABASE FOR, UH, UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS, UST.
THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT THERE IS A CASE OR RECORD OF, UH, UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO CHECK AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS FROM 1955 THROUGH THE PRESENT.
UH, WE DO SEE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES, UH, SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE SITE, BUT NO INDICATION OF A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT OR BUSINESS, NOT THAT A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE COULDN'T HAVE BEEN USED AS A BUSINESS AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
THOSE, MOST OF THOSE STRUCTURES WERE DEMOLISHED IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES BY INDICATION OF THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS.
UM, THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS, YOU HAVE ONLY GO BACK TO 1955? THAT'S CORRECT.
THERE AREN'T EARLIER ONES THAN THAT.
WELL, WE ASSUME THAT THE STRUCTURES WERE THERE.
THE SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES THAT WERE THERE IN 1955 WERE SOMEWHAT THERE BEFORE THAT.
THE INDICATION THAT THERE WAS A GAS TANK OR UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK WAS AFTER 1955 BECAUSE IT WAS WHEN THE, UH, THE COMMENTER WAS, UH, WAS, WAS YOUNGER.
SO UNLESS THEY WERE, WERE DOING THAT AND, AND BEFORE 1955, THERE'S AN INDICATION THAT THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THERE.
UH, WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION INTO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE? SOME OF THIS WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED BY THE CITY TO GET, IF THEY DO MOVE FORWARD, SOIL SAMPLING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WHETHER THERE WAS A TANK OR NOT A TANK, STILL THERE'S RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PERMIT HOLDER.
SO KIND OF, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT SOILS TESTS WOULD BE REQUIRED IN ANY CASE? YES.
IS THAT TRUE FOR STRUCTURAL AND BUT, UH, ABOUT IT BEING DIRTY AND THAT THAT'LL BE THE CALL OF THE CITY.
IS THAT THAT STAFF, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT, THAT THERE WOULD BE SOIL STUDIES PRIOR TO ANY CONSTRUCTION? YES.
THERE'S A REQUIREMENT OF BUILDING.
THERE WOULD BE GEOTECHNICAL REPORTS REQUIRED FOR THE SITE.
WOULD THOSE INCLUDE, WELL, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS, AND THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, A BIG WHAT IF, UM, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY START TO, BECAUSE THERE'S
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SUPPOSED TO BE SOME SORT OF BASEMENT, UM, FEATURE HERE TOO, IF THEY START TO DIG AND THEN THEY DO HIT, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF TANK, OR THEY GET BONES OR BODIES OR WHATNOT.LIKE WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS THEN AS, AS, AS THE DEVELOPER OF A GAS STATION? THE, THE, THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS NOT CLEAN UP A PREVIOUS SITE IF YOU FIND ONE, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE LIABLE MOVING FORWARD IF FOR SOME REASON YOU GET TESTED FOR THE NEW TANK YOU'RE INSTALLING.
SO, UH, IT WOULD BE IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO MITIGATE ANYTHING THAT WAS THERE NOW.
AND FOR BODIES OR BONES, HUMAN BONES, HUMAN REMAINS, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, WE'RE NOT EXPERTS IN THOSE TYPE OF FORENSICS.
YOU, UH, IT'S NOT AN ARCHEOLOGICAL SITE, UH, THAT WE KNOW OF.
BUT, UH, WE'LL CHECK HISTORICAL RECORDS FOR THE, UH, GREAT FLOOD OF 1916 AND SEE THE IMPACTS THAT WERE THERE FROM THAT.
UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T FOUND ANY SITE RECORDS FOR THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT, FOR THAT SPECIFIC SITE.
AND, BUT YOU GUYS DID DO, UH, A, A DATABASE CHECK FOR THAT HISTORIC FLOOD, OR NOT AT ALL? NOT IN TERMS OF REVIEWING OR, OR INTERVIEWING, UH, EXPERTS ON THE MATTER.
SO WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL AS PART OF THE CONDITIONS.
SO IT, WOULD THAT BE A PART OF A CONDITION OR WOULD WE WANT TO CONTINUE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK FOR YOU CAN DO THAT AS A CONDITION OF, OF, OF THE PROJECT, UH, BEFORE BUILDING A, A PLAN APPROVAL TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO, UH, CONCERN, UH, FOR, FOR, FOR, UH, A GRAVEYARD OR, OR SOME INCIDENT THAT CAUSED BODIES TO BE ON THAT SITE.
BUT WE WOULD DO THAT RESEARCH.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION? OKAY, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN.
I'VE SPENT THE NIGHT LISTENING TO AN OUTPOUR OF CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTS, AND I, I THINK THEY'VE SPOKEN.
UM, I ALSO SEE THIS AS A PURELY AUTOCENTRIC REDUNDANT ENVIRONMENTAL CALAMITY OF A PROJECT.
I LIVE OFF OF SWEETWATER ROAD, JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE 8 0 5 FREEWAY.
I WOULDN'T WANNA SEE THIS PROJECT ON MY CORNER EITHER.
AND TO BE TOUTING IT AS MIXED USE PROJECT THAT EXEMPLIFIES A SUITABLE, UM, EXAMPLE OF URBAN MIXED USE, IT GOES AGAINST THE GRAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY, AND IT'S NOT THE FUTURE THAT I WANNA SEE FOR NATIONAL CITY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I WILL PIGGYBACK ON THAT, AND I WOULD SAY I DON'T THINK I WOULD WANNA SEE RE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, UM, WITH A GAS STATION.
I JUST THINK THAT THAT IS ASK WHERE NATIONAL CITY IS TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM POLLUTION AND CANCER AND BREATHING PROBLEMS. AND WE ALREADY HAVE SOME OF THE HIGHEST CANCER AND ASTHMA RATES, UM, TO KNOWINGLY PLACE RESIDENTS, UM, IN DANGER ABOVE A GAS STATION.
TO ME, IT DOES NOT, IT JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
CAN I INTERJECT FOR ONE SECOND? UH, THE, THE HOUSING PART OF THE PROJECT IS NOT BEFORE YOU, IT IS A BUYRIGHT DEVELOPMENT, SO WE ARE NOT EVALUATING THE HOUSING PART OF IT.
WE CAN ONLY APPROVE OR DENY THE GAS STATION, THE CAR WASH, THE DRIVE THROUGH, BUT THE HOUSING IS NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
COMMISSIONER ARMA, I WANNA, UH, APPRECIATE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NA THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE COMMUNITY BEING HERE.
IT REALLY MEANS A LOT, UM, TO HEAR EVERYBODY.
UM, YOUR VOICES, YOU KNOW, YOUR EXPERIENCES ALSO, UM, TO THE, TO THE APPLICANT AND THEIR FAMILY.
UH, IT, IT'S, WE SEE IT FROM BOTH SIDES, SO IT'S NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ONE SIDED AND IT'S REALLY HEARTFELT.
UH, WE'RE ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, I DO APPRECIATE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY TO MEET, YOU KNOW, UM, THE COMPLIANCES, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED.
UH, I JUST, UM, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY THAT THE APPLICANT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN WORK TOGETHER ON SOMETHING AS TO NOT STOP A BUSINESS, BUT TO PUT A BUSINESS THERE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE RESIDENTS WOULD REALLY, UH, WANT THERE AND MAKE USE OF.
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TO ALSO VOICE MY OPINION ON THIS.UM, I FIND THIS PROJECT TOO MUCH FOR THIS LOCATION.
I THINK IT WILL BE, UM, A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE STAFF COME BACK WITH A, UM, TO WORK WITH THE, UH, APPLICANT TO, UH, REVISE THE PROJECT, UM, TO TONE IT DOWN, SOMETHING NEEDS TO GO THERE.
THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS A RIGHT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AS ANY PROPERTY OWNER DOES, BUT I THINK I, I CONCUR WITH, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THIS PROJECT.
TO ME, I THINK IT IS, UH, TOO MUCH FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR THIS, THIS INTERSECTION.
AND I, UM, WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REDESIGN OF IT TO, UH, TAKE A FEW THINGS.
MAYBE THE CAR WASH SHOULD BE REMOVED, UM, INCORPORATING THE PARCEL TO THE WEST FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNITS POSSIBLY.
SO, UH, HAVING SAID THAT, IS THERE ANY MOTION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT I MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE THIS PROJECT, UH, TO GIVE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT, UH, CHANCE TO LOOK AT A REDESIGN OF THE PROJECT? UH, SO IT IS NOT AS INTENSE AS THIS TO POSSIBLY CHANGE THE LAND USES.
UM, AGAIN, I WOULD ENTRUST THAT TO THE APPLICANT AND THE STAFF, UM, BECAUSE I DO RECOGNIZE, AGAIN, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS A RIGHT TO, UH, DEVELOP THE PARCEL.
SO, UH, IT'S JUST, AGAIN, TO ME IT IS TOO MUCH.
SO I, I WOULD, UH, MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE THIS PROJECT.
UM, SO LET ME, MADAM SECRETARY, CAN I PLEASE, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS? OKAY.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY CHAIRMAN MILLER AND A SECOND BY, UM, COMMISSIONER QUINONE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM, UM, TO A DATE UNCERTAIN AT THIS TIME.
UM, LET, LET ME READ THIS JUST A SECOND.
UM, TO CONTINUE THIS TO A DATE, UNCERTAIN, UH, IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION VICE CHAIR? YES.
ON THAT MOTION? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IN FOR ADDITIONAL RESEARCH STUDIES TO BE DONE ON THE FLOOD, UM, OF THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS.
AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE CAN GET OR RESEARCH FOR ANY UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS, UM, THAT ARE POSSIBLY THAT, THAT WERE THERE.
UM, AND, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP US AS WELL IN, IN MAKING.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MADAM SECRETARY? PLEASE ALLOW US TO VOTE NOW ELECTRONICALLY.
OH, CHAIR MILLER, I BELIEVE, UH, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN.
UH, I GUESS I'M CONCERNED WITH THE WORD CONTINUE.
I JUST, WE'VE HAD SUCH AN ENORMOUS MEETING TODAY THAT, UM, UM, WHILE I AGREE THAT, UH, A PROP VACANT PROPERTY ALONG SWEETWATER ROAD, YOU KNOW, DESERVES TO BE DEVELOPED, UH, I WOULD WAIT TO HEAR ABOUT A PROJECT THERE THAT REALLY, UH, SPEAKS TO THE INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY AND MOVES VERY FAR AWAY FROM ALL THE MIX OF AUTOCENTRIC, UH, COMPONENTS THAT EXIST IN THE PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW.
ARE, ARE YOU PROPOSING A, A SUBSTITUTE MOTION? UM, COMPLETE REDESIGN,
COULD YOU, WELL, I GUESS, YEAH, WE CAN CONTINUE THE IDEA OF A RE UH, A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT, UH, ONE THAT REALLY, UH, SERVES THE COMMUNITY, THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE SPOKEN OUTSPOKEN TONIGHT AND, UM, LOOKS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT OKAY.
NOW, I GUESS WE, UH, WE NEED TO ALLOW STAFF AND THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO GO BACK AND BRAINSTORM WHAT TO DO.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT WOULD BE A CONTINUANCE.
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TRUE COUNSEL? YEAH, YOU CAN CONTINUE THE ITEM OR YOU COULD DO A SUBSTITUTE MOTION COMMISSIONER FOREMAN TO DENY THE PROJECT BASED ON FINDINGS THAT THE COMMISSION MAKES.UM, IT'S REALLY AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION.
DO YOU WISH TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE PROJECT? UH, YES.
SO, UH, MADAM SECRETARY, COULD YOU, UM, GIVE ME ONE SECOND.
SO, MAKING A MOTION TO DENY THE PROJECT WILL HAVE TO BE BASED ON FINDINGS.
DID YOU HAVE ANY FINDINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER? UM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSION, UM, THERE'S, THERE APPEARS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT SPECIFIC IMPACTS OR IMPACTS IN GENERAL.
UM, AS FAR AS MEETING WITH APPLICANT AND, AND REDESIGNING OR DENYING, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO BE A LITTLE MORE, UH, SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT YOUR IMPACT CONCERNS MIGHT BE.
YOU KNOW, THE FINDINGS FOR DENIAL COULD BE SPECIFIC OVER NOISE, TRAFFIC, AIR QUALITY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTS OVER A GAS STATION, IS THAT AN AIR QUALITY CONCERN? AIR QUALITY CONCERN? UH, ARE WE LOOKING AT A NUISANCE? UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SEVERAL FINDINGS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE VETTED BY THE COMMISSION.
UM, I'LL ALSO, MAYBE FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE DENYING IT, UH, THE PROJECT IS APPEALABLE TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT HAS THE RIGHT TO DO, IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE IT FOR MORE INFORMATION, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY NOT MAKE SENSE IN THE COMPLETE REDESIGN, UH, IDEA BECAUSE, UH, THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY IS, IS FOR DISCRETIONARY ACTION ON VERY SPECIFIC LAND USES.
AND SO IF WE WANT A, A REDESIGN AND CONTINUE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY USES OF THE SITE ARE GASOLINE, SERVICE STATION, ALCOHOL, SALES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT A REDESIGN OF THOSE THINGS, NOT A COMPLETE SUBSTITUTE OF LAND USES.
SO, UM, CONTINUATION WOULD MEAN MORE OF A, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON SOME SPECIFIC IMPACTS THE COMMISSION IS CONCERNED WITH.
UH, A DENIAL WOULD BE OVERALL, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, BUT THE DENIAL DOES OPEN UP CITY COUNCIL OPPORTUNITY FOR APPEAL.
DOES THAT CLARIFY FOR THE COMMISSION? YES.
ARE YOU, DO YOU STILL HAVE YOUR MOTION ON THE TABLE? YES.
UH, THE FINDINGS FOR DENIAL WOULD BE, UM, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, WITH THE ALCOHOL, WITH THE ALCOHOL USE, AND, UM, AS WELL AS AIR POLLUTION FROM THE GAS STATION.
IS THAT ADEQUATE COUNSEL? YES, THAT'S ADEQUATE.
SO, UH, MADAM SECRETARY, WE NEED TO, COULD YOU SHOW THE BOARD PLEASE? UH, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN, SINCE YOU MADE THAT FIRST MOTION, LET'S HAVE YOU, I NEED TO CANCEL THIS ONE AGAIN.
AND LET'S TRY THAT ONE MORE TIME.
BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
UH, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER FOREMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO.
THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSIONERS.
SO ARE WE DISMISSING ON THE PROJECT OR ARE WE COMING BACK WITH THE RECOMMENDATION? DONE.
SO, UH, WE WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS.
FOUR YESES, TWO NOS AND ONE ABSENT.
AND JUST FOR RECORD, I WOULD NEED COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ AND COMMISSIONER ES REASONING FOR WHY THEY STATED NO MICROPHONE, PLEASE.
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BUT NO.WHAT? YOU WANNA TALK FIRST OR NO, GO AHEAD.
OF COURSE, HE SHOWED UP WITH A LOT OF THINGS IN A SMALL BAG, RIGHT? SO I WAS THINKING THAT SOME THINGS COULD HAVE BEEN MOVED, SOME THINGS COULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED.
HENCE, I BROUGHT UP THE CHANGING OF THE HOURS.
I WANTED IT TO THIS TO GO, UH, UM, I FORGET THE TERM YOU SAID.
FORWARD NO, UM, CONTINUANCE SO THAT HE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, BAKED THE CAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
THAT THAT WAS THE REASON WHY I, I VOTED.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER QUINONES.
I, I WAS MORE IN THE AGREEMENT WITH YOUR MOTION OF TRYING TO WORK IT OUT BETWEEN THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS AND THE APPLICANT, AND TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, MAYBE ONLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR MAYBE SOMETHING WITHOUT THE CAR WASH, WITHOUT THE ALCOHOL SALES, JUST TO SORT OF FIND A WAY THAT IT WOULD BE A WIN-WIN SITUATION.
THAT'S WHY I FIGURED, LIKE YOU SAID, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THE PIECE OF LAND AND THE RESIDENTS BEING A RESIDENT.
I WOULDN'T WANT ALL THAT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD EITHER.
I WOULDN'T WANT THE CAR WASH THE NOISE, A 24 HOUR SALE OF ALCOHOL.
SO I WAS THINKING MORE ON THE LINE OF YOUR MOTION THAT WE COULD FIND A WAY TO MEET HALFWAY.
THAT, UH, CONCLUDES THE DISCUSSION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING AND PARTICIPATING TONIGHT, UH, IN OUR, UH, LOCAL DEMOCRACY HERE.
AND, UH, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON WITH OTHER ITEMS, UM, ON THE, UH, AGENDA.
[STAFF REPORTS]
TO STAFF REPORTS, UH, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, NOTHING AT THIS TIME.DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, IS THIS OUR LAST MEETING OF 2024? NO.
WE STILL HAVE DECEMBER 16TH SCHEDULED ON THE BOOKS, BUT WE'RE WAITING FOR.
WELL, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH TO ALL OF THE STAFF FOR ALL OF THE WORK AND ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS, AND I KNOW IT'S SOMETIMES REDUNDANT.
UM, BUT THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO AND ALL THE EFFORTS THAT YOU PUT IN FOR ALL OF THE, THE BACKGROUND ON EVERYTHING.
UM, AND IF I DON'T SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN, I HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE, UH, HAPPY HOLIDAYS.
COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA IS ABSENT.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK STAFF AND UHR FOR MAKING IT OUT HERE AND MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
IT WAS A COMPLICATED AND A HARD SUBJECT.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD TIME TO WRAP UP THE YEAR.
UH, I ALSO WANNA THANK THE STAFF, UM, THE COMMUNITY THAT'S STILL HERE.
AND, UH, UH, JUST THE, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND EVERYBODY JUST, UM, THIS IS WHY WE'RE HERE.
THIS IS WHAT, WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO.
AND, UM, I, UH, I REALLY ENJOY IT, YOU KNOW, AS IT'S EMOTIONAL, AS IT GETS, BUT, UM, IT'S JUST, UH, YEAH.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER QUINONES.
I ALSO WANNA THANK STAFF VOING, YOUR OPINION, AND, UM, JUST HAPPY HOLIDAYS IF WE DON'T COME BACK ON THE 16TH.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY GRATITUDE FOR THIS NEW POSITION THAT I'M SERVING FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, AND I'VE ENJOYED WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU THIS PAST YEAR.
UH, I TOO WANNA VOICE MY APPRECIATION TO CITY STAFF, TO ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE WORKED ON THIS SO HARD.
UM, I THINK THEY'RE GONE, BUT I WANT TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR COMING FORWARD WITH THEIR, UH, PROPOSAL.
UH, IT IS, UH, PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE RESIDENTS, UH, ALONG ORANGE STREET THERE, WHO CAME FORWARD, UH, TO VOICE THEIR OPINIONS ON THIS.
THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY HERE TO KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS.
UM, I KNOW NOT EVERYBODY'S HAPPY TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S PART, THAT'S DEMOCRACY IN ACTION HERE.
UH, BEYOND THAT, I WANNA WISH EVERYBODY HAPPY HOLIDAYS.
UM, AND, UH, AT THIS TIME, THERE IS NOTHING ON THE HORIZON
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FOR THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.UM, WE POTENTIALLY HAVE AN ITEM OR TWO, BUT THAT'S TO, TO BE DETERMINED.
IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY'RE NOT READY, THEY'RE NOT READY.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS HEREBY ADJOURNED UNTIL THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF DECEMBER 16TH, 2024 AT 6:00 PM THE TIME IS 9:43 PM