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FOLLOWING THE MEETING TO ORDER.
[Traffic Safety Committee on November 13, 2024.]
YES.AT ONE 10, UH, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO FIVE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
STAMPS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I HAVE, MY NAME IS DEVO YVONNE PO ERO
IS THIS YOUR FIRST TIME? YEAH.
NEVER SEEN, I SAW ON INSTAGRAM THAT YOU GUYS WERE ACCEPTING PEOPLE, SO I JUST APPLIED.
GLAD YOU THAT'S THE WAY I ENDED UP HERE TOO.
I DIDN'T KNOW MINE WAS FACEBOOK.
CINDY ES RIC RODRIGUEZ
I USED TO RUN THE TRAFFIC SAFETY MEETINGS FOR MANY YEARS.
MONICA WAS HERE TO OBSERVE TODAY.
SO YOU, DID YOU, YVONNE, DID YOU RECEIVE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING? PROBABLY NOT.
UM, SO WILL WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO VOTE? NO.
'CAUSE WE NEED A QUORUM, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO POSTPONE THEM FOR THE NEXT, UH, MEETING.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE, UH, GOING TO APPROVE, UH, MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 9TH ON OUR NEXT, UH, MEETING.
I KNOW I HAVE CALENDAR, CORRECT? THE 11TH.
SO THAT'LL BE OUR LAST MEETING.
DO WE HAVE A JANUARY MEETING FOROUGH? YES.
I THINK WE HAVE JANUARY MEETING TOO.
I THINK WE JUST ARE LATE ENOUGH.
'CAUSE IT'LL BE YES, IT'LL BE ON THE 15TH.
SO IT SHOULD ON 15, WE SHOULD BE BACK OPEN AGAIN.
WE'RE BACK ON THE, THERE'S 15.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA, UM, OH, THEN YEAH.
IF YOU'RE, WE'RE BACK ON THE SIXTH, SO YOU'LL HAVE ON THE 15TH, BECAUSE YOU CAN POST BY THE 10TH.
UM, I THOUGHT WE DID HAVE ONE THING FROM BEFORE THERE WAS, BUT WE PUT IT UNDER STAFF REPORT.
SO LET'S, UH, BEGIN WITH ITEM, UH, NUMBER 2024 DASH 12 ITEM ONE ON THE NEW BUSINESS SECTION OF OUR AGENDA.
THIS IS THE REQUEST TO INSTALL RED CURB, NO PARKING AT THE INTERSECTION OF PALM AVENUE AND EAST 17TH STREET.
IT'S TO ENHANCE VISIBILITY AT THE, UH, INTERSECTION.
AND WE HAVE NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS TODAY.
SO MR. ANTONIO O DAMIAN IS NOT HERE.
UM, DO YOU WANNA CHECK WHO'S THERE'S, OKAY.
UM, SO YES, THIS ITEM WAS, UM, BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY MR. ANTONIO.
HE'S A RESIDENT AT 1424 EAST 17TH STREET.
UM, SO WE, UH, REQUESTED WE WRECK HER THAT INTERSECTION OF PALM AND EAST 17TH STREET.
UH, SO THE PURPOSE IS TO IMPROVE VISIBILITY AND ENHANCE SAFETY FOR VEHICLES EXITING FROM EAST 17TH STREET ONTO PALM AVENUE.
I KNOW THAT INTERSECTION REFERENCE ON GOOGLE MAPS.
UH, SO THERE'S STOPS ON E 17TH EAST AND WESTBOUND, UM, ON PALM, SO, RIGHT.
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UM, SO YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT RED ON PALM, RIGHT.PALM, BUT ON 17TH ONLY ON ONE, ONE SIDE.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THAT? LIKE, WHY WAS THERE NO RED? WHY IS THERE A RED, WHY IS THERE RED ON 17TH ON THAT ONE CORNER BY THE YEAH.
UM, ON THE EAST SIDE, THE 17TH.
WHY IS THERE A RED CURVE? YEAH, PROBABLY BECAUSE I, I, I SNEAK, OR THESE ARE UNNECESSARY FOR VISIBILITY.
THESE GUYS SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE.
BUT THESE GUYS DON'T HAVE A STOP.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S A RED CURB THERE, JUST SO THEY'RE NOT PARKING NEXT TO THE STOP SIGN MAYBE, BUT BACKPACK IS.
AND THEY CAN DO THAT HERE AND THEY CAN DO THAT HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S ONE ON THAT SIDE, BUT NOT ON THAT SIDE.
WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT, CAN YOU, IS THAT PARKING LOT? OH, CAN YOU, LOOKS LIKE THE PARKING LOT.
IT'S SOME I THINK IT'S APARTMENT.
SO, AND THE INTERSECTION IS THE REQUESTED RED CURB IS, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE THOUGH, RIGHT? YES.
IT WOULD BE LIKE IN FRONT OF WHERE THAT WHITE CAR IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF PALM AVENUE NORTH, NORTH OF EAST 17TH.
SO THERE'S ACTUALLY OH, WHERE THAT CAR IS PARKED RIGHT THERE? YEAH, THERE'S A RECORD NOW.
UH, AND THEN ON THE WEST SIDE OF PALM AVENUE, SOUTH OF EAST 17TH STREET AS WELL.
SO ON BOTH, BOTH OF THOSE CORNERS.
IN, IN THIS PICTURE THAT IT ALREADY READ, THAT'S EXHIBIT A TWO 20TH.
THE SOUTH, YOU MEAN LIKE DOWN HERE? YEAH.
UM, SOMETHING WE'RE PROPOSING THE 10 SEAT THERE, SO I DON'T THINK THERE CURVE.
OR MAYBE IT JUST GOT KIND OF PUT IN THERE MAYBE WITH A YEAH.
OR MAYBE IT WAS AT ONE POINT OR SO.
SO THAT EXHIBIT HAS, UM, RECOMMENDED ENHANCEMENTS.
SO OH, RECOMMENDED ENHANCEMENTS.
I GET THE REASON FOR THAT RED CURVE THERE.
I TOTALLY GET IT FOR VISIBILITY REASONS.
I JUST DON'T GET THAT OTHER ONE.
UM, PARKING HAS BECOME AN ISSUE HERE IN NATIONALITY, RIGHT.
SO IF WE ELIMINATE THAT ONE OVER THERE, CAN WE FREE UP THAT ONE? THAT ONE RIGHT THERE? UH, WELL ACTUALLY
UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A NEW STATE LAW AB 4 0 1 3 THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO REQUIRE RED.
UM, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SPECIFICALLY RECORD, BUT IT SAYS NO STOPPING OR, OR SLOWING LIKE AT UNMARKED AND MARKED CROSSWALKS.
SO, AND I THINK THERE, I, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACTLY DETAILS, BUT THERE'S MORE INFORMATION ON LIKE, MAKING THAT HAPPEN, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE RED CURVE.
SO, SO TECHNICALLY MANY, IF NOT ALL INTERSECTIONS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO END UP BEING, HAVING THAT RED CURVE.
I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE 20 FEET OR SOMETHING.
SO, SO IT'S THERE NOW AND I'M NOT SURE WHY IT'S RED AND THERE AND NOT ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT IT'S GONNA END UP HAPPENING TO HAPPEN.
SO THEN ALL CARS ARE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE 'EM ALL INTERSECTIONS, ALL FOUR
AND THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT CLOSELY 'CAUSE UM, I WAS JUST MADE AWARE OF THAT.
AND SO, UM, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT KIND OF THE DETAILS OF LIKE WHERE EXACTLY THAT NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED AND JUST HOW MANY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT ON.
SO I, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE MAYBE MOVING FORWARD WE PROBABLY WON'T SEE THESE REQUESTS FOR RED CURVE AS MUCH BECAUSE OF THAT LOG HAVE TO ANYWAY.
SO, SO I GUESS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS ONE IS RED, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE RED ANYWAY.
IT'S ENOUGH, BUT YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS ONE WOULD'VE BEEN PICKED BLACK OR NOT.
THIS ONE FOR EXAMPLE, LEAST LIKE, UM, POTENTIALLY WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM IF THAT WAS EVEN ILLEGALLY PAINTED.
AND YOU'RE NOT PAINTED DOCUMENTS.
RED COULD HAVE BEEN THAT TIME.
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NOBODY HAS EVER REPORTED IT.IT COULD HAVE BEEN WHERE THAT, WHERE THE TRAFFIC PROBABLY IF THOSE CARS ARE, THERE'S A CAR PARKED THERE, THEN STOP SIGN IS PROBABLY NOT VISIBLE.
AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHY THEY WOULDN'T DO THE OTHER SIDE.
MAYBE THE STREET IS MORE NARROW ON ONE SIDE OF THAT ROAD AS THE OTHER SIDE AND SOMEBODY PUT A TICKET IN JUST FOR THAT ONE AND THEY DIDN'T DO THE OTHER SIDE.
WE PROBABLY HAVE TO DO SOME SEARCHING UP HISTORY ON WHY THAT, WHEN THAT GOT PAINTED RED AND NOT THE EVIDENCE.
THERE'S USUALLY NO STOP SIGNS ON ALL STOP SIGNS HAVE A SIGNAGE, LIKE, SO THAT STOP SIGN HAS A SIGN THERE AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO STOP SIGN EITHER.
CAN YOU LOOK IN? YEAH, SOMETIMES IT COULD BE BECAUSE, UH, BECAUSE SAFETY VEHICLES CAN'T TURN, I DUNNO.
BUT THE OTHER SIDE IT IS THERE, THERE'S A STOP SIGN ON THE OTHER SIDE TOO, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THIS ONE'S VERY, IS THAT A DRIVEWAY? IT'S DRIVEWAY.
NO MORE SCOOT MAYBE IN FUTURE THE LITTLE CARS THAT'LL
THERE'S OTHER RESIDENTS CALLING IN.
THERE'S, UH, THERE'S NO, UH, FIRE HYDRANT THERE.
THERE'S NO TREES, THERE'S NO FIRE SAFETY MAY HAVE REQUESTED IT, BUT NOW YOU KNOW WHY THE OTHER ONE'S ON THE OTHER SIDE.
YOU CAN'T EVEN HERE UNTIL YOU LIKE THERE'S A
THERE'S LIKE ONE MORE PARAGRAPH I CAN THROUGH.
JUST SO WE HAVE IT IN THE MINUTES.
SO YEAH, THERE WAS A SITE VISIT, UM, PERFORMED.
SO, UH, SITE VISIT WAS PERFORMED.
PALM AVENUE IS A TWO-WAY COLLECTOR WITH PARKING ON BOTH SIDES.
AND PLUS THE SPEED LIMIT OF 25 MILES AN HOUR.
EAST 17TH STREET IS A TWO-WAY LOCAL ROAD WITH PARKING ON BOTH SIDES AND ALSO LIMITED OF 25 MILES AN HOUR.
UH, DURING THAT SITE EVALUATION, UH, STAFF WAS ABLE TO CONFIRM THERE'S, UH, THERE'S RED CURVE AT THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTHEAST CORNERS OF THE INTERSECTION.
THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, RIGHT.
SO NORTHEAST, SOUTHEAST, THE RED CURVE, EXISTING, EXISTING, MAYBE NOT THERE, BUT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S PLENTY OF AVAILABLE PARKING, SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA REALLY KILL PEOPLE BY PROVIDING THAT.
IS THAT ADDRESS THE RESIDENCE ADDRESS? THE 1424? YEAH.
SO HE LIVES RIGHT THERE AND REQUEST A RED CURB IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE.
HE LIVES OTHERWISE YOU WOULD'VE SENT NOTES.
YEAH, BECAUSE THOSE ARE 15, RIGHT? THOSE, IT'S 15, 15 40, YEAH.
BUT THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, UH, 1540.
DOWN THE STREET ACROSS, YEAH, ON, UH, 1418.
SO IT'S BETWEEN THE 1438 AND 14, 18 30, YEAH.
SO HE PROBABLY GOES THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION EVERY DAY.
IT'S HARD TO TURN, LIKE SAY YOU'RE GOING THIS, OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT OFFICE IS RIGHT THERE, AND IF YOU GO THAT WAY TO TURN LEFT ONTO PALM, IT'S REALLY HARD.
YOU CAN'T SEE, LIKE, THERE IS NO VISIBILITY THAT WAY.
SO YOU SAY TURN LEFT ONTO PALM.
SO YEAH, HOPEFULLY THIS RED CURVE WOULD ELIMINATE IT FARTHER THERE AND HELP VISIBILITY.
UM, SO YEAH, THERE'S A RED CURVE, NORTHEAST AND SOUTHEAST CORNERS OF, UM, PALM AVENUE.
UM, AND THEN JUST, THERE'S ALSO, UM, VISIBILITY ISSUES FOR EASTBOUND TRAFFIC EXITING 17TH STREET ONTO PALM AVENUE.
UM, JUST AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, DUE TO THE POWER POLE, UH, AND THEN JUST ANY CARS THAT PARKED THERE.
UM, STEPH ALSO CONFIRMED THAT WHEN VEHICLES PARKED TOO CLOSE
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TO THE CORNERS ON PALM AVENUE AT THE INTERSECTION, THE VISIBILITY WHERE VEHICLES EXITING 17TH STREET ONTO PALM IS PARTIALLY OBSTRUCTED, SHOULD BE KNOWN.SO, UH, AFTER ALL THAT, UH, BASED ON THE, THE EVALUATION OF EXISTING CONDITIONS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE INSTALLATION OF RED CURVE AT THE INTERSECTION OF PALM AVENUE ON EAST 17TH STREET TO IMPROVE VISIBILITY FOR VEHICLES EXITING EAST 17TH STREET AS FOLLOWS.
UH, NUMBER ONE, INSTALL 20 FEET OF RED CURVE, NO PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE OF PALM AVENUE, NORTH AND EAST 17TH STREET TO RESULT IN THE LOSS OF ONE PARKING SPACE RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN THE SECOND INSTALL 10 FEET OF RED CURVE, NO PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE OF PALM AVENUE SOUTH AND EAST 17TH STREET, WHICH WOULD ALSO RESULT IN THE LOSS OF ONE SPOT, UH, ONE PARKING SPACE.
OKAY, ONE MORE QUESTION FOR ME.
SO ON THE WEST SIDE OF EAST 17TH, AT THE CORNER WHERE THAT WHITE VAN IS PARKED YEAH.
DID YOU ALL CONSIDER DOING RED CURB AT THAT INTERSECTION? I KNOW WE'VE GOT THE TREES THERE, WHICH ARE PROBABLY GONNA IMPEDE VISIBILITY NO MATTER WHAT.
BUT I'M WONDERING IF, PARTICULARLY GIVEN THE NEW LAW, WHETHER IF WE'RE OUT THERE PAINTING THE CURBS ON HOME MM-HMM.
YOU'VE GOT TRAFFIC FLOWING THROUGH AT THAT POINT.
BUT YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS, THERE ISN'T, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU, YOU'RE NOT DRIVING ON THAT SIDE.
YOU'RE NOT, BECAUSE THAT VEHICLE IS NOT GONNA IMPEDE VISIBILITY AT THE RIGHT OF WHO'S COMING ON HOME TOWARDS, UH, FROM THE WEST TO THE EAST.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS THE CONSIDERATION.
THAT WAS THE, YEAH, THAT WAS IDEA THERE.
AND THEN ALSO YOU MENTIONED THAT NEW LOSS.
SO I MEAN, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, THAT MAY ALSO BE RED CURVE.
ONCE WE TAKE A LOOK AT IT CLOSELY, THAT COULD BE HERE, RIGHT? UH, UH, I MEAN, HOPEFULLY NOT, BUT I
IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW, HOW WE THAT WORK GETS PRIORITIZED.
SO I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT JUST ALL INTERSECTIONS.
LIKE MARKED AND MARKED AND IT'S LIKE, I GUESS, UM, HIGH VOLUME INTERSECTION.
SO, SO FOR NOW AT LEAST IT'LL BE THE TWO RED CURVE ON THAT, ON PALM AVENUE.
UH, AND THEN JUST IN THE FUTURE, IF THAT E 17TH SIDE, UM, FALLS INTO THAT CATEGORY, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO, WE WILL DEAL WITH THAT.
ANY OTHER STAFF DISCUSSION? MEMBER DISCUSSION? UH, MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE TWO RED CURBS, 20 FEET ON THE WEST SIDE AND, UH, 10 FEET ON THE EAST SIDE OFF SIDE OF THE STREET.
NEXT ITEM ON OUR NEW BUSINESS IS ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 13.
THIS IS THE REQUEST TO ESTABLISH SPEED LIMITS ON PORTIONS OF SWEETWATER ROAD BASED ON THE ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC SURVEYS, AND AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS TO POST SPEED LIMIT SIGNS CONSISTENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC SURVEYS.
SO THIS RECORDS A LITTLE, A LITTLE LONGER.
YEAH, THERE'S SOME, SOME BACKGROUND THERE IN STATE VEHICLE CODE AND STUFF, SO.
UM, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY QUESTION, HAVE THERE BEEN, UH, ACCIDENTS THERE? LEMME SEE.
I BELIEVE, I THINK THERE WAS ONE ACTUALLY ON SWEET WATER.
OH YEAH, IT SAYS RIGHT HERE ON THE SECOND TO LAST PARAGRAPH, WE'RE ON FREE WATER RECORDS.
LET, SO PART OF THAT IS NATIONAL CITY AND THEN PART IS LINCOLN ACRES, RIGHT? ARE IS ON THAT SECTION OF SWEETWATER, OR IS IT ALL UH, I THINK THE WHOLE THING IS WHOLE THING IS NATIONAL CITY.
YEAH, I I'M ALWAYS OVER THERE THAT CEMETERY, SO I KNOW THAT'S NATIONAL CITY THEN.
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YEAH, SO THIS, THERE WAS RECENTLY A PROJECT HERE, CIP PROJECT, UM, ACTUALLYUM, AND THEN THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT THERE RIGHT BY THE SEVEN 11 OR PEDESTRIAN, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S MAYBE, OKAY.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S MORE BACKGROUND ON THAT IN THE REPORT, BUT I CAN GO THROUGH THE REPORT AND JUST IF THERE'S ANY, I'M OKAY.
UM, SO I MEAN, JUST KIND OF IN SUMMARY THERE, THE, I CAN GO THROUGH RECOMMENDATION, UM, BASED ON EVALUATION OF EXISTING CONDITIONS, STAFF RECOGNIZE ESTABLISHING SPEED LIMITS ON PORTIONS OF SWEETWATER ROAD BASED ON ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC SURVEYS, AND AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS TO POST SPEED LIMIT SIGNS CONSISTENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC SURVEYS.
AND THAT THOSE ARE ATTACHMENTS HERE.
UM, LET'S SEE, TOTAL ACCIDENT NINE.
UM, WHEN NEAREST FIVE MILE INCREMENT OF THE 86 PERCENTILE SPEED REQUIRE BEYOND DOWN THE SPEED MAY BE REDUCED BY FIVE MILES, UH, FROM THE NEAREST FIVE MILES PANEL OF INCREMENT OF THE 86% PANEL SPEED, UH, AND SECTION OF PRO.
THAT'S, UM, YEAH, I KNOW THAT'S IT.
YEAH, I MEAN, WE CAN TAKE THE TIME TO TRY TO LIKE FIGURE THIS OUT, BUT THE POINT IS THAT IT'S 45 NOW, FOUR TO 40, AND IT'S TOO FAST.
AND BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE ANALYSIS, POST SPEED LIMIT SHOULD BE 40, BUT, SO 50% OF THE PEOPLE DRIVE 42 MILES PER HOUR THERE.
IS THAT WHAT THAT'S SAYING? MM-HMM.
AND RIGHT NOW THE SPEED LIMIT IS 45.
AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM APPARENTLY.
SO I MEAN, THIS, THIS JUST PROVIDES JUSTIFICATION FOR YOU TO ROUND DOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SEEING LIKE VEHICLES, UH, GOING ABOVE 45 OR MORE, MORE THAN 50% GOING ABOVE 45.
SO THERE'S NO JUSTIFICATION TO INCREASE.
TO LIMIT, RIGHT? LIKE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HAVE TOO MANY, LIKE GOING AT THAT, YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, LET'S PUSH IT UP.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THERE'S JUSTIFICATION TO MOVE IT DOWN SINCE THE 50 PERCENTILE, SINCE THE TRAFFIC IS GOING PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT.
SO WE CAN REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT, WHICH MEANS THAT, I MEAN, I'M JUST KIND OF THINKING AHEAD, BUT LIKE, IF SOMEONE'S GOING PAST OR ABOVE 40 GOING TOO FAST TO PREVENT AN ACCIDENT, SOMEONE CAN GO OUTSIDE, WHEREAS NOW SOMEONE IS GOING 45, YOU'RE GOING AND THEY'RE GONNA BE 50 AND THEN, YEAH.
SO I MEAN, I THINK THIS MAY HAVE BEEN BROUGHT ON BECAUSE OF THE ACCIDENT.
THERE'S A, WHERE, WHERE THE ACTION TOOK PLACE.
THERE IS A CROSSWALK, CORRECT? I THINK THERE IS ONE.
IS THAT WHERE THEY PUT THE, THE NEW CROSSWALK WITH THE LIGHTS AND STUFF? IT'S LIKE RIGHT THERE BY SEVEN 11.
THIS MIGHT NOT SHOW THAT'S PICTURE RIGHT HERE SOMEWHERE.
THEY'RE USUALLY LIKE A YEAR OR SOMETHING.
AND I DON'T HAVE, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER LAST THERE, THERE WAS A PROSPECT.
SO, I MEAN, IS THERE A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC THERE? I DON'T SEE IT.
'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE.
WHERE ARE PEOPLE GOING? ROAD BIKES.
SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THE, THE PERSON THAT GOT IT WAS GOING NORTH OR SOUTH.
SO
UM, BUT THERE ARE TRAFFIC ISSUES, PARTICULARLY AT, UM, DURING RUSH HOUR TIMES, PEOPLE WHERE THINGS GET BACKED UP FOR THE 8 0 5 ON AND OFF RAMP RIGHT THERE.
UM, AND THERE IS THE DOWN ON THE OTHER, OTHER SIDE, THERE'S THE, IT'S A STRIP MALL, RIGHT? UHHUH?
CAN I ADD A COMMENT ON, ON THE, AT NIGHTTIME, UNDER THE BRIDGE, IF YOU'RE COMING THIS WAY, LIKE FROM BONITA.
THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU LIKE CAN'T SEE THE WHITE LINE.
IT'S JUST DARK AND IT'S JUST LIKE THE CURB.
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YEAH.CAN'T SEE YOU LIKE CAN'T SEE THAT WHITE LINE.
UM, LIKE ON THE SIDE, LIKE, SO THEY NEED TO, TO PULL OVER, REFLECT THE, OR SOMETHING LIKE THICK.
SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE OVER NOW.
SO THIS MIGHT NOT SHOW IT, BUT I BELIEVE THERE'S RED CURVE LIKE ALL, ALL ALONG HERE NOW, OR MOST OF IT.
UM, THE WHITE LINE WE'RE REFERRING TO THOUGH, IS THAT THIS, YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE? NO, I WAS TALKING ABOUT LIKE TOWARDS THE CURB.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I'LL HAVE THE WHITE LINE FOR LIKE, FOR BIKE OR WHATEVER.
LIKE BIKE LINE OR SHOULDER, LIKE TO SHOW YOU LIKE, HEY, YOU'RE IN THE LIGHT.
OH, JUSTING LIKE STAY IN THE LANE, BUT IT, YEAH, IT'S REALLY DARK THERE.
SO WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS TO LOWER THE SPEED STILL BASED ON REPORT TO 40.
AND YOU GUYS SAID YOU DID HAVE A TRAFFIC REPORT OR AN ACCIDENT REPORT? UH, I DON'T HAVE THE REPORT, BUT I, I'M AWARE THAT THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT IN THAT AREA.
UM, THIS ONE SAYS THERE WAS NIGHT ACCIDENT.
THERE'S NINE NOT JUST REPORTED.
THE FIRST PAPERWORK SAYS NINE ACCIDENT TOTAL ACCIDENTS AND THE SECOND PAPERS REPORTED.
WHAT POLICE HAVE RECORD OF BUT NOT INCLUDING UNREPORTED FROM YOU TO VALLEY.
SO I GUESS THAT IS WHY THEY PUT THAT ACROSS WALK THING.
MAYBE LIKE FOR THE KIDS AFTER SCHOOL, THAT'S A LITTLE, IT COULD BE UPDATED, IT COULD BE AN INCREASE OR IT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE YEAH, SO THINKING THERE IS MM-HMM,
I MEAN, I JUST DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, BUT THEN I DON'T KNOW IF THE ACCIDENTS ARE PEDESTRIAN OR AUTOMOTIVE.
SO I JUST DON'T SEE HOW, I DON'T SEE MANY PEOPLE CROSSING THAT STREET, THAT AREA.
AND IT, I MEAN IF WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THERE, OR JUST DIRT, IS THERE A BUS STOP ON THE OTHER SIDE? MAYBE THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF.
THAT'S WE ALL MAYBE DOWN OTHER NORTH 2022.
SO THAT POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE SOME ENCAMPMENTS ALONG THAT NOW.
RECENTLY BAN ON ENCAMPMENTS HERE.
NATIONAL CITY, BUT THERE, THERE'S STILL ENCAMPMENTS AND NOT AND THE ENFORCEMENT.
IT'S CONSTANT, CONSTANT STRUGGLE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY NEED THE CROSS BECAUSE THERE'S A BUS STOP, RIGHT? OH, IT'S RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT'S THE, SO MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THE ACCIDENT HAPPENED.
NOW THAT, WHERE THE CROSSWALK IS THOUGH, AROUND THE AREA.
SEE THAT'S WHERE THE CROSSWALK IS.
SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO, CAN YOU, UM, CAN YOU GO TO NATIONAL CITY PROJECTS DO COM TO SEE IF THAT, IF THAT PROJECT IS UP THERE SO THAT WE CAN SEE IF THERE'S ANY UPDATED? YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT EMOTIONS THAT WE HAVE AN UPDATED, UPDATED VIEW OF THE OH, THEY'LL BE ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE OF ALL THE PROJECTS.
I GET SWEET ONE IS THERE, I DUNNO IF THIS IS HOW UPDATED THIS IS.
CONSULTANTS? WELL THAT'S, WE SHOULD, BUT ACTUALLY, UM, IT'S A DIFFERENT CONSULTANT.
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THIS IS UPDATED.YEAH, SWEETWATER ROAD SAFETY ENHANCEMENTS RIGHT THERE.
CAN YOU GO DOWN? OH, THAT'S IT.
IT'S NOT DONE YET, SO IT'S JUST COMPLETE THIS HERE.
SO IS IT THERE 2023, THE BIKE? NO, I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT THAT ON THE CITY COUNCIL.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD GET SHOW PROJECT PICTURES.
THE, THE THING IS, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF OR PART OF THIS ONE BECAUSE IT, IT SAYS, WELL IT SAYS PEDESTRIAN IN HANDS.
SO I KNOW THERE WAS, THERE WAS WORK DONE.
UM, AND UH, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE PROJECT, BUT THERE WAS WORK DONE LIKE AROUND HERE.
UM, SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A, A MOTION THAT WE REVISIT THIS ITEM ON THE NEXT AGENDA WITH STAFF PROVIDING MORE UP-TO-DATE PHOTOS OF, OF THE PEDESTRIAN, UH, CROSSWALK, THE, WHETHER IT'S THERE OR NOT.
AND UH, MORE DETAIL ON THE ACCIDENTS AND WHETHER THEY INVOLVE PEDESTRIANS OR OTHER VEHICLES.
AND IN SECOND OR, OR MODIFICATION TO THE NO, I AGREE WITH IT.
SO SECOND, MY SECOND QUESTION.
ALL IN FAVOR A AYE SORRY ABOUT THAT.
FUTURE ITEMS, UH, PRESENTATION OF 24TH STREET TRANSIT CENTER CONNECTIONS PROJECT.
UH, SO THERE'S A PROJECT, UM, THAT WILL BE, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE TIMING WHEN, WHEN ITS IN START.
BUT THERE, THERE'S A FUTURE PROJECT THAT WILL BE THERE 24TH STREET TRYING SET A CONNECTION.
UM, SO JUST PUTTING IT ON THE RADAR SO THAT, WE'LL, AT SOME POINT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE THE NEXT MEETING, BUT SOME KIND OF PRESENTATION.
AND IS THAT WHERE THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO, AREN'T THEY PLANNING TO DO SOME NEW LIKE APARTMENT BUILDING DOWN THERE? I THINK, IS IT IN ANY WAY CONNECTED WITH THOSE IN THE APARTMENT BUILDING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? IS THAT, THAT'S ON 24TH? WELL, THERE WAS DISCUSSION IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THIS WAS PART OF THE, CAME UP WHEN THEY WERE ADDRESSING
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FOCUS, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE.AND THERE WERE SOME, UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THE, THE NEW BUILDING WOULD BE THERE AT THE TROLLEY STATION.
THERE WAS AN ALTERNATE LOCATION PROPOSED AT ONE POINT, UM, BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE WORRIED ABOUT THE AIR QUALITY BEING SO CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY IF THEY DID IT RIGHT AT THE 24TH STREET TRANSIT STATION.
SO MAYBE IT'S NOT RELATED TO THIS PROJECT, THE ONE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE PRESENTING ON? UM, YEAH, NO, PROBABLY NOT.
I CAN GO BACK AND REFRESH MY MEMORY ON THAT FROM THE FG PFGP SITE.
WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON, ON THE SCOPE
AND WE'LL JUST DO A PRESENTATION.
SO MAYBE THE NEXT MEETING OR JANUARY.
ANY QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? NOPE.
UH, STAFF REPORTS ON, AND THE, THIS GOES BACK TO OUR LAST MEETING, THE UPDATE ON THE PASSENGER LOADING ZONE FOR, UH, BEBA DAYCARE AT 2 0 4 DIVISION STREET.
UH, SO THE UPDATE THERE IS I, UH, I REACHED OUT TO, UH, THE OWNER OF THE DAYCARE.
UM, I LET HER KNOW ABOUT THE DECISION, UH, TO NOT HAVE THE LOADING ZONE ON DIVISION, BUT, BUT ON THE ALLEY PROPOSING IT ON CANNER DRIVE.
UM, SO SHE SAID SHE, SHE UNDERSTANDS THE DECISION NOT TO HAVE IT THERE AND HAS NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND I ASKED IF SHE WANTED TO PURSUE THE LOADING ZONE MONTANA, AND SHE SAID NO.
AND SHE, SHE SEEMED A LITTLE INDIFFERENT BECAUSE OURS PARKED THERE ANYWAY.
WE'LL JUST STOP, GET OFF, TAKE THEIR KIDS TO DAYCARE.
SO, SO IT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SHE DIDN'T SEEM TO WANNA JUST LIKE, YEAH, I WANT LOADING ON THERE.
RIGHT? AND SHE JUST SAID LIKE, NO, IT'S FINE.
SUCH WEIRD, YOU'RE STILL DOING THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THAT'S THE THING, LIKE, THERE, THERE, THERE ON HER, UH, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION WITH HER, IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WASN'T AN ISSUE WITH LIKE, THERE'S NO AVAILABLE SPACE, RIGHT? LIKE THEY'RE USING CANOP DRIVE ANYWAY RIGHT NOW.
SO YEAH, SHE, SHE WAS, THE AVAILABILITY SEEMS TO BE THERE GENERALLY ANYWAY, SO WHY MAKE WORK FOR OURSELVES? YEAH.
UM, YEAH, SO, SO AGAIN, I TALKED TO HER AND SHE DID, SHE WAS LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
AND WE DON'T NEED TO GO BACK AND, AND UPDATE ANYTHING ON THAT.
WE WENT AHEAD AND MADE OUR RECOMMENDATION OR, BUT FOR THE KENSHIP, FOR THE VOTING ZONE.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GONNA BE MAYBE SOME OFFICIAL LIKE MOTION SAY YES, SAY CLOSE.
SO I MOTION THAT WE TABLE THE LOADING ZONE RELATED TO BBAS DAYCARE UNLESS, UNTIL, AND UNLESS THERE IS A REQUEST FOR, UH, ACTION, FURTHER ACTION BY THE DAYCARE.
OKAY, THEN THE NEXT STAFF REPORT IS, UH, OUR OH, GREAT.
SO I WAS ABLE TO GET A HOLD OF, UM, TO THE CLERK AND THEY PROVIDED ME SOME DATES.
I KNOW THAT YOU WERE PUSHING FOR FEBRUARY.
AND SHE PROVIDED THE FIRST WEEK OF FEBRUARY AND THE SECOND.
SO I DECIDED
SO I, IF WE CAN ON OUR AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK, UH, NEXT, NEXT WEEK, NEXT MEETING.
UH, LET'S GO THROUGH THE, UM, ANY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REPORTING TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON OUR, UH, ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR, UH, 2024.
DO YOU WANT A SPECIFIC ONES? 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU HAD MENTIONED YOU WANTED AN APPROVED LIST OF ALL THE ONES.
YEAH, I WOULD THINK A SUMMARY OF, UH, JUST HOW, YOU KNOW, ACTIONS THAT WE'VE MM-HMM.
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I ALSO THINK A BIG THING FOR US, UH, WAS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR BYLAWS, UH, THAT WE DID.AND THEN ALSO THE, UM, OH, WHAT WAS IT? THE, HANG ON A SECOND.
UH, THE, I'M LOOKING FOR THE ACRONYM, UH, THE LOCAL ROAD SAFETY PLAN.
NOT BEING AWARE OF PRIOR REPORTS, ANNUAL REPORTS.
I DON'T REMEMBER DOING ONE OR DISCUSSING ONE LAST YEAR.
DID WE DO A, WAS THERE ANY REPORT GIVEN? NO, I DON'T REMEMBER IT.
I COULD CHECK WITH, LOOK OVER.
IF THERE, WHATEVER THE, UM, WHATEVER THE PAST REPORT WAS MM-HMM.
IF THERE'S ANY DOCUMENTATION SO THAT WE CAN USE THAT AS A GUIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T OMIT ANYTHING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED IMPORTANT, THAT WOULD BE REALLY SUPER HELPFUL.
ANY OTHER DIRECTION TO STAFF WITH PREP FOR THAT REPORT? NO, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN ONE OF THOSE.
YEAH, SO I DON'T, AND WE WERE BOTH HERE LAST, UH, YEAR.
WERE YOU HERE IN JANUARY LAST YEAR? I WANNA SAY I STARTED LIKE APRIL.
OF THIS YEAR, RIGHT? MM-HMM,
SO SHE MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS ANY LIKE, MEMORY OF, OF WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN BEFORE.
BUT YEAH, IF, IF YOU GUYS CAN, UM, PROVIDE JUST KIND OF A SUMMARY OF, OF ACTIONS.
AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING BEYOND, UH, THE ADOPTION OF THE LOCAL ROAD SAFETY PLAN AND THE BYLAWS.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT JUMP OUT AT ME BESIDES NUMBER OF BLUE CURBS, RED CURBS KIND OF THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE.
UH, AND THE, UH, I KNOW ONE THING THAT THERE'LL BE, THAT I KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC WILL BE INTERESTED TO KNOW, UH, THE ACTIONS TO BECOMING SUBJECT TO GRANT FUNDING FOR THE, UH, EIGHTH STREET AT A AND, UH, NEAR PUBLIC MARKET NEAR THE, UH, OH YEAH.
THE MARKET ON EIGHTH, THE PEDESTRIAN.
SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA IS SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY WANNA HIGHLIGHT FOR THE CITY.
UHHUH
AWARE WE WAIT TO HEAR BACK FROM THE RIGHT, RIGHT.
WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR GRANT FUNDING ON THOSE.
MY THINKING IS IS THAT IF WE REVIEW THEN THOSE ITEMS NEXT WEEK, UH, NEXT MEETING, EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY.
UH, THAT THEN WE CAN COME BACK THEN IN JANUARY WITH A DRAFT PRESENTATION FOR APPROVAL SO THAT WE'RE THEN READY TO PRESENT IN FEBRUARY END.
IF WE HAVE TO MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS, WE'LL HAVE TIME TO REVIEW THOSE RIGHT AT THE LAST MINUTE.
UH, UM, BUT YEAH, IF WE CAN HAVE THEM A PRESENTATION SIGNED OFF OR VOTED ON IN THE JANUARY MEETING, THAT WOULD BE RIGHT.
ANYTHING WAS WILD
CURRENTLY GET A MOTION FOR THAT.
I MOTION THAT WE, UH, TABLE APPROVAL OF LAST MEETING MINUTES UNTIL OUR, UH, NEXT MEETING DUE TO LACK OF FORM.
WE NEED QUORUM, BUT SHE YEAH, BUT SHE WASN.
SHE SHOULD HAVE THE CUS SO WE CAN'T, WE DON'T HAVE FORM TODAY.
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AND THE MOTION TO END THE MEETING.SO I DRIVE ON DIVISION EVERY DAY TO GO HOME.
THEY PUT THE TURN LANE DOWN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, BY THE HILL RIGHT DOWN DIVISION TO LAUREL.
THERE'S A TURN LANE, BUT NOBODY USES THE TURN LANE TO TURN, THEY TURN FROM THE REGULAR LANE BECAUSE THERE'S NO LIKE ARROWS IN THE TURN LANE.
SO I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE IT'S A TURN LANE.
SO LIKE, THERE'S TWO LANES THIS WAY, TWO LANES THIS WAY.
SO YOU'RE GONNA TURN ON LAUREL.
SO YOU SAID THAT HE SIGN THERE OR THERE IS NO SIGN? THERE'S NO SIGN.
SO I THINK IT NEEDS LIKE THE ARROWS TO SHOW THEM THAT IT'S A TURN LANE.
NOBODY KNOWS IT'S A TURN LANE AND IT'S REALLY DANGEROUS.
AND YOU SAID IT'S DIVISION AND LAUREL.
SO SAY YOU'RE COMING THIS WAY FROM THE 8 0 5, RIGHT? PEOPLE ARE JUST TURNING FROM THE REGULAR LANE, NOT THE TURN LANE LEFT.
CAN YOU
CAN WE PUT THE LITTLE GUY OVER THERE? YEAH.
LIKE THE STREET RIGHT? THIS DIRECTION? YEAH.
SO SAY YOU'RE GOING THIS WAY, YOU'RE DRIVING AND THEN YOU'RE, THEY'RE JUST TURNING FROM RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU'RE YOU CAN WHERE IN THIS LANE STILL THEY'RE NOT GOING THE TURN LANE TO TURN.
BUT CARS DRIVE REALLY FAST ON THE VISION RIGHT THERE.
BUT THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S YELLOW ONE.
IT'S IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S OPEN.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT ARE THOSE USUALLY MARKED ARROW? I DON'T EVEN, THAT'S A TURN LANE.
WELL IT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS TWO, RIGHT? IT HAS.
IS THAT AN OPENING, LIKE A, CAN YOU GO IN WHEN IT'S BROKEN LIKE THAT THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU DO BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU, LET'S SAY YOU'RE GONNA TURN INTO A DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THERE'S A STREET THAT WAY.
THERE'S A STREET RIGHT THERE TOO.
LET'S GO FARTHER UP TO THE NEXT INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE WHERE THE LIGHT? UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE.
LIKE YOU CAN TURN LEFT RIGHT THERE.
SO THIS WHAT I MEAN LIKE, SINCE THERE'S A, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A TURN LANE, I'M ASSUMING IT'S ALL THE WAY DOWN.
THERE'S A, IT'S, THERE'S NO OPENING TO GO TO ASK STEVE, BUT ALSO LOOKS LIKE A NOTE.
WHAT IS THAT? WHY? WHY? YEAH, LIKE IT'S KEEP CLEAR.
'CAUSE THE TRAFFIC GOES, THE TRAFFIC BACKS UP ALL THE WAY DOWN TO LAUREL BASICALLY.
ESPECIALLY WHEN THE SCHOOL GETTING YEAH.
SO EVERYONE JUST DOESN'T GO IN IT, THEY JUST TURN FROM THE REGULAR YEAH.
SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT ONE OF THOSE LIKE SPECIFIC LEFT TURN LANES THAT YOU SEE AT INTERSECTIONS WITH ARROWS.
SO I THINK BECAUSE IT'S BROKEN LIKE THAT IN, IN THE MIDDLE AND LANE, THE MIDDLE IN THE MIDDLE LINES, YOU COULD, COULD OPT TO DO IT, BUT IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR.
IT'S SUPER CONFUSING AND DANGEROUS.
RIGHT? 'CAUSE THEN LIKE IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DRIVING WEST ON DIVISION AND YOU NEED TO GO AND GO HOME.
IT IS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? THEY'LL TURN FROM THIS LANE AND NOT THE MIDDLE AND NOT GO IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN GOING, UH, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE CARS WILL BACK UP ALL THE WAY FROM TO TURN LEFT THIS WAY ONTO WHATEVER AND IT'S ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SO IT'S REALLY CONFUSING OVER THERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S RIGHT IN OUT DRIVEWAYS TO GET INTO TRAFFIC.
AND IS THAT ON OUR SIDE OR IS THAT THE SAN DIEGO? DIEGO.
DIEGO, SAN DIEGO, PA, NATIONAL SAN DIEGO.
SO NATIONAL CITY COULD PAINT PAST THE ARROW AND SEND YOU WRITING THE JOKES.
NO, THIS IS WHAT I DEAL WITH, BUT YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO IT UP SO THAT REALLY CHAOTIC AREA.
WE'RE TRYING TO GO AND THEN EXPLAIN IT.
SO YEAH, WHEN WE, WHEN WE GO TO MAKE A COMMENT TO THE SAN DIEGO PEOPLE ABOUT SAFETY ON DIVISION STREET FOR THE DAYCARES, ET CETERA, WE COULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND THAT THERE'S, AFTER THEY GET OUT OF SCHOOL,
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ARE ALL WALKING OUT THERE.UHHUH, THEY ARE THE YEAH AND THE SCHOOL'S RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE.
SO LIKE THEY'RE ALL WALKING FROM THAT WAY.
IMAGINE THAT THAT'S A, IN ALL THOSE VEHICLES GET IN LINE THERE NOW NOBODY CAN GET INTO THEIR DRIVEWAY BECAUSE IT'LL BE TURNING LANE.
IT'LL BE, IT'S JUST A BYPASS LANE.
I'M NOT AN ENGINEERED THAT'S IF EVERYBODY LINED UP THERE, THEN I'LL BE ABLE TO GET INTO MY HEALTH DRIVEWAY OR OUT OF MY HOUSE DRIVEWAY.
THE SAME THING HAPPENS ON VEST ON UH, MAIN STREET RIGHT AROUND VESTA WHERE THE 15 AND THE UH YEAH, SAME THING HAPPENS THERE.
'CAUSE UH, A LOT OF TIMES I END UP DRIVE 15 IS REALLY BACKED UP ONTO MAINE.
I END UP DRIVING IN THE TURN LANE SO I CAN MAKE MY TURN ON VESTA WITHOUT WAITING FOR AN HOUR.
YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD, IT'S DEFINITELY GOOD TO KNOW.
WHY THAT? BUT I, IT'S, I WOULD TURN FROM THAT LANE IF I WAS DRIVING THAT RIGHT.
I DON'T THINK I'D GET INTO THE LANE.
I DON'T PERSONALLY, I GET INTO THAT LANE TO TURN LEFT BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS SO MANY CARS BEHIND YOU.
SPEEDING DOWN DIVISION TO GO UP THE HILL.
IS THAT TWO SOLIDS BUT ONE SOLID RIGHT THERE.
SO THERE'S ONE SOLID BUT BROKEN? IT IS BROKEN.
IT'S BROKEN OVER THERE BUT NOT UP TECHNICALLY LIKE, I DON'T THINK IT'S LIKE UNTURN LANE BUT IT'S LIKE THE LANE TO GO IF YOU'RE GOING TO TURN.
I, I'LL BE HONEST, I, IT'S SUPER CONFUSING.
BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF I SHOULD, SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO MOVE THE DMV.
I THINK
SO YOU'RE SAYING PUT ARROWS IN THAT MIDDLE LIKE YOU KNOW, LIKE THE TURN TURN BUT LIKE HOW THEY HAVE LIKE BOTH TO SHOW YOU IT'S A TURN LIKE TO SHOW YOU THAT YOU CAN, IF IT'S NOT THEN YEAH, I FEEL LIKE IF IT DOESN'T HAVE MM-HMM
SO IF IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOR, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE LIKE WITH THE LINE OPEN LIKE AN INTERSECTION.
WE EXACTLY LINE MM-HMM
I'M CURIOUS IT WOULD BE COME TO THE NEXT MEETING TO FIND AN ANSWER.
YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME ACTUALLY.
IT'S THE LONG TEAMS. YEAH I THINK DIVISION STREET BETWEEN NATIONAL CITY AND SAN DIEGO REALLY NEEDS SOME.
WELL I MEAN IT'S A GOOD, WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP IS A GOOD POINT TO MAYBE LOOK AT THAT ROADWAY.
'CAUSE NOW THE TRAFFIC IS REALLY, UM, IS REALLY IMPACTED.
AND ALSO IF THE PEOPLE ARE SPEEDING, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING TO BE DONE ON THAT ROADWAY AND ALL THE DAYCARES AND THEN THE SCHOOL LEAVING.
AND THEN THE CARS GOING TO THE 8 0 5 BACK UP.
LIKE IN ALL THE WAY DOWN, DOWN TO HERE.
LIKE SO IN THAT MIDDLE ONE, IT'S LIKE A FULL TURNING LEFT.
I MEAN TO NOT WANNA TALK TOO SOON.
SO UPDATE ON THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? THAT WAS MY MAIN CONCERN.
WHAT GOES ON OVER THERE?
YEAH, THAT IS OR IT'S NOT A LEFT TURN.