* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:05] WELCOME TO NATIONAL CITY'S COMMUNITY AND POLICE RELATIONS COMMISSION MEETING FOR AUGUST 15TH, 2024. THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS YOU CAN MAKE SURE YOUR OPINIONS ARE HEARD AND CONSIDERED BY THE CPRC. YOU CAN REGISTER TO SPEAK DURING A-C-P-R-C ZOOM MEETING. SPEAKERS MUST REGISTER BY 4:00 PM THE DAY OF THE MEETING. PUBLIC COMMENTS OR TESTIMONIES LIMITED TO UP TO THREE MINUTES. SPEAKERS WILL NOT BE SHOWN ON VIDEO OR OPTION NUMBER TWO IS YOU CAN SUBMIT A WRITTEN COMMENT TO BE ANSWERED INTO THE OFFICIAL MEETING RECORD. TO DO SO, PLEASE EMAIL C-P-R-C-P-U-B-C-O-M-M-E-N T@NATIONALCITYCA.GOV BEFORE 4:00 PM ON THE DAY OF THE MEETING, AND PROVIDE THE AGENDA ITEM OR STATE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE SUBJECT LINE. IF THE TOPIC IS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA, I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. ROLL CALL NOW. BEGIN THE AUGUST 15TH CPRC MEETING. I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THE COMMISSION CLERK. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. WHEN WALTER SAYS YOUR NAME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR MICROPHONE AND SAY, PRESENT OR HERE WALTER. HERE. HERE. PRESENT VERY WELL, VERY WELL PRESENT PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I'D LIKE TO ASK COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. [4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – Regular Meeting of May 16, 2024 ] NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR MEETING THAT WAS HELD ON MAY 16TH, 2024. IS THERE A MEMBER WHO WOULD LIKE TO BRING A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MAY 16TH, 2024 MINUTES? I HAVE A COMMENT. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE, UH, THE EXCUSED ABSENT FROM THE LAST MEETING ARRIVING AT SIX 20, UH, BECAUSE THE, THE DOORS OF THE HALLWAY WERE LOCKED, WE CAN ADJUST THAT. I'M SORRY. BUT DIDN'T IT SAY THAT YOU ARRIVED AT 6:20 PM YES. RIGHT. IT'S ON THE FIRST, SO I GUESS I'M NOT SURE WHAT CHANGE THE LANGUAGE OR OR EXCUSE THAT YOU WANT IT CHANGED TO, JUST ARRIVED LATE INSTEAD OF ABSENT, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. SO IS THAT, ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION THAT SAYS THAT? YEAH, I MADE A MOTION. OKAY. SO CAN YOU JUST RESTATE IT FOR THE, THE RECORD? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE MYSELF FROM BEING ABSENT TO BEING LATE. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE MOTION? HEARING NONE, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THE MOTION. WE NEED A SECOND TO DISCUSS. OR DOES IT WITHOUT ONE? DO WE DIE? UM, WELL, WE NEED A, WE NEED A SECOND TO KEEP IT ALIVE. SO CURRENTLY THERE IS NO SECOND FOR THAT MOTION. OKAY. SO THEN THE MOTION. MOTION. WELL, OKAY. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS DID YOU, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES, I DID. AND ARE YOU, IS THERE A REASON YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO SECOND THE MOTION TO GET THE QUESTION DISCUSSED OR, UM, NO, I, I GUESS I JUST SECOND THE MOTION I ASK. OKAY. JUST FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION. YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO SECOND THE MOTION, I'LL ASK THE QUESTION. YEAH. I DIDN'T REALIZE I NEED TO SECOND THE MOTION TO DO IT. OKAY. OKAY. SO SHOULD I SECOND THE MOTION NOW? [00:05:01] YES. OKAY. SECOND, THAT MOTION. MY QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE A, THIS IS LISTED UNDER COMMISSIONER'S ABSENCE, AND THEN IT SHOWS IN PARENTS THAT HE ARRIVED AT SIX 20. DO WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER'S TARDY OR COMMISSIONERS ARRIVE LATE HEADING AND PUT THAT UNDER? WELL, I THINK WE WOULD, YEAH. CHANGE IT TO, UH, UNAPPROVED. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, LEMME REPHRASE THAT. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO AMEND THE MOTION SO THAT IT'S PERHAPS TITLED AS COMMISSIONERS WHO ARRIVED LATE WITHOUT APPROVAL OR SOMETHING START. WELL, I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW THAT I CARE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT I MEAN, HE DID ARRIVE AT SIX 20, BUT THERE IS A REASON WHY HE ARRIVED AT SIX 20 'CAUSE HE WAS LOCKED OUT. AND, UH, I THINK IF WE NOTE THAT HE WAS ARRIVED, HE ARRIVED AT SIX 20, WE SHOULD SAY, BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ISSUE. OKAY. SO MAYBE A MOTION TO AMEND THIS TO AWAY FROM THE ABSENT TO, UM, TARDY DUE TO CITY HALL BEING LOCKED. WELL, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HE JUST TOTALLY EDGED OUT. I, I THINK, I THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU ACTUALLY WERE PRESENT AT THE MEETING, BUT YOU CAME LATE. SO I THINK THE, THE ACTION WOULD BE TO MODIFY THE MINUTES TO SHOW, TO PUT HIS NAME UNDER COMMISSIONER'S PRESENT, BUT TO HAVE THE PERIN ARRIVED AT SIX 20. AND I, AND I THINK YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. YEAH. SO IF ALL OF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND HE'S COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, THEN YOU CAN VOTE ON THE MOTION WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING. GREAT. NOT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS , BUT DO WE NEED TO AMEND THE ORIGINAL MOTION OR ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT'S THE UNDERSTANDING OF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, PERIOD. I, I, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. OKAY. ALTER, IF YOU WANNA CALL FOR THE VOTE. I THINK THERE MOTION. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO VOTE. WE SHOULD. I SEE. IT'S NOT COMING UP. MY ONLY OPTIONS ARE MAKE MOTION OR MIC IS ON. HMM. THAT'S CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. THANK YOU. SO NOW WE NEED TO BRING THOSE BACK NEXT MEETING TO APPROVE, CORRECT. OR CAN WE APPROVE IT AS AMENDED? YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I, I THINK YOU NOW MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS MODIFIED. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS MODIFIED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I WOULD SECOND THAT. I WILL. WELL, YES. FIRST, SECOND. MOTION. UH, PUSH THE BUTTON FOR ME. THERE YOU GO. PUSH THE BUTTON, JUMP ON THE BUTTON. AND THEN YOU SHOULD, ONE OF THE TWO OF YOU CAN PUSH A BUTTON IN THE LEFT, LOWER LEFT CORNER. ONE SECOND FOR A SECOND. THERE YOU GO. HMM. ONE TIME. THERE YOU GO. . ALRIGHT, , YOU WANNA HIT YOUR PHONE BUTTON? . . WE'LL GET THERE. . THANK YOU. [5. PUBLIC COMMENT] NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENT ALTER. HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES. WE HAVE, UH, THREE, UH, REQUESTS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, WE HAVE ROB UMANA. IT'S GONNA BE FOLLOWED BY JOSEPH CRAWFORD, AND IT'S GONNA BE FOLLOWED BY RANDY CASTLE. [00:10:01] VERY WELL. GLAD TO SEE WE HAVE MEMBERS FROM THE PUBLIC COMING IN. I, I THINK, UM, THERE SHOULD BE A BUTTON ON THERE. LEMME SEE IF I CAN TURN IT ON FOR YOU. THERE WE GO. IS IT ON OR GO FORWARD IT TIME IS YOURS. OKAY. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR. OKAY. SO I WANT TO BRING SOMETHING TO, UH, EVERYONE'S ATTENTION. SO FIVE WEEKS AGO, I MADE A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, UM, UNDER SB 16, AND I REQUESTED DOCUMENTS PERTAINING TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION, WHICH IS, UM, I SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR ASHLEY CUMMINS VERSUS NATIONAL CITY. SHE'S AN EX OFFICER WHO WAS SUING FOR DISCRIMINATION DUE TO HER SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND A HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT. AND IN THAT FIVE WEEK PERIOD, I GOT VERY CONFLICTING RESPONSES. I WAS TOLD THAT THEY NEEDED MORE TIME TO PROVIDE THESE DOCUMENTS. I WAS TOLD THAT THESE DOCTORS ARE NOT AVAILABLE AND THAT MY, MY REQUEST DOESN'T APPLY UNDER SB 16, WHICH I'M HERE TO REFUTE BECAUSE I HAVE THE BILL RIGHT HERE. AND IT SAYS, SB 16, AMENDED SECTION OF PENAL CODE TO EXPAND PUBLICATION OF PEACE OFFICER AND CUSTODIAL OFFICER RECORDS RELATING TO THE REPORT, INVESTIGATIONS OR FINDINGS OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING. AND THERE'S MULTIPLE SECTIONS, BUT I'M GONNA READ THE ONE PERTAINING TO THIS INCIDENT. SO IT SAYS, ANY RECORD RELATING TO AN INCIDENT WHICH A, WHICH A SUSTAINED FINDING WAS MADE BY ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OR OVER OVERSIGHT AGENCY THAT A PEACE OFFICER OR CUSTODIAL OFFICER ENGAGED IN CONDUCT, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED, LIMITED TO VERBAL STATEMENTS, WRITING ONLINE POSTS, RECORDINGS AND GESTURES INVOLVING PREJUDICE OR DISCRIMINATION AGAINST A PERSON ON THE BASIS OF RACE, RELI, RELIGION, CREED, COLOR, NATIONAL ORIGIN, ANCESTRY, PHYSICAL DISABILITY, MENTAL DISABILITY, MEDICAL CONDITION, GENETIC INFORMATION, MARITAL STATUS, SEX, GENDER, GENDER IDENTITY, GENDER EXPRESSION, AGE, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, OR MILITARY OR, OR VETERAN STATUS. SO MY REQUEST IS VALID. SO THE CITY CLERK, KELLY, I BELIEVE, UH, SHELLY, I BELIEVE THAT'S HER NAME. EXCUSE ME. UM, SHE TOLD ME THAT MY, UH, REQUEST WASN'T VALID. AND I'M HERE JUST TO BRING AWARENESS TO THIS BECAUSE THIS IS A SERIOUS MATTER IF IT'S TRUE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS CASE IS IN LITIGATION, I BELIEVE. OR IF NOT, IT'S PROBABLY BEEN SETTLED. I'M NOT SURE. BUT IF IT IS TRUE, THEN THERE SHOULD BE AN AN, UH, IA INVESTIGATION, RIGHT? SO, AND PEOPLE NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. THIS IS TRUE, RIGHT? BECAUSE NO ONE SHOULD BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST. AND, UM, YEAH, SO IF WE COULD JUST LOOK INTO THIS. AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TESTING. I'D LIKE TO SAY GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. UH, I THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT. THE MY LAST VISIT WAS BASED ON INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED AUGUST THE 20TH, 2021. I WAS ASSAULTED IN THE PARK AND I HAVE FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS A HATE CRIME. AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS LADY CHARGED UNDER THE PENAL CODE 4 2 2 6 4 2 2 0.7. MY CASE NUMBER IS 2 1 0 4 7 9 4 4 7 2 9. I GAVE EVERYBODY A PACKAGE THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RESULT OF ME GIVING THE PACKAGE TO Y'ALL WAS, BUT I REQUESTED THIS SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AND I CAME TO SEE WHAT RE RESOLUTION WE, WE'VE COME TO TALKING IN A MINUTE SINCE ITS PAST TECHNOLOGY, [00:15:01] UH, IN ADDITION, WHILE WE WAITING, YOU KNOW, I'M A MEMBER OF SAN DIEGO, I MEAN NATIONAL CITY PARK AND RECREATION COMMITTEE. I'M A SENIOR CITIZEN AT, AT KIMBALL TOWER. AND I BECAME VERY INTERESTED DURING COVID OF THE DISPARITY THAT MEN AND WOMEN WAS GOING THROUGH. SO I PROMOTED ACTIVITIES. I HAVE, UH, SET UP TAI CHI CLASS. I SET UP SENIOR WELLNESS CLASS, AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO BE A PRODUCTIVE CITIZEN, AND I FOLLOW PROTOCOL. EVER SINCE THAT TIME, I'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH ISSUES WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND NOW I'M HERE. THIS IS MY LAST STOP. I CAME TO Y'ALL AND I ASKED Y'ALL FOR Y'ALL'S OPINION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, AND I'M HOPING THAT I CAN GET CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU FOR, UH, COMING BACK AND ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION AGAIN. UM, WE ARE NOT PERMITTED TO, UH, COMMENT ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. SO SINCE IT'S NOT AN AGENDA ITEM, WE CANNOT COMMENT BACK TO, UH, YOUR QUESTION AT THIS TIME. IF YOU FEEL THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID SOMETHING INAPPROPRIATE, YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO FILL OUT A COMPLAINT FORM. UH, THOSE ARE AVAILABLE HERE AT CITY HALL OR ACROSS THE STREET AT THE POLICE STATION. UH, AND I FOLLOWED ALL THE PROTOCOL, AND ALL I'VE GOTTEN IS, UH, I DIDN'T, I DON'T RESPECT JUSTICE, JUSTICE, BUT I DO FAIRNESS AND HAVEN'T RECEIVED FAIRNESS YET. AND THAT STOPPED TO STATE POLICY AND REVELATION. IF I HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE AND FIND RESOLUTION, THAT'S THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE THAT I HAVE LEFT. IF THAT'S THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE, Y'ALL LEAVE ME WILL. THANK YOU, SIR. YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS, UH, CITY ATTORNEY AND STAFF. UH, MY NAME IS RANDY AND I AM COMING BEFORE YOU GUYS TODAY. UM, TO BRING A COUPLE OF THINGS JUST TO AWARENESS. I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE SKY CAM AND THE TOWERS THAT ARE OVER OFF ROOSEVELT. THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR NATIONAL CITY. UM, HOWEVER, I DID WANT TO MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE THAT IT HAS NOW PUSHED, UM, UH, SOME VICTIMS INTO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER UP ALL THE WAY TOWARDS D AVENUE. SO WE'RE SEEING, UH, SOME, SOME PEOPLE WALKING AROUND SCANTILY CLAD IN THOSE AREAS, UM, AS WELL. UH, LAST MONTH THERE WAS A DRIVE BY SHOOTING ON MY STREET. UM, I'M UNAWARE OF IF THEY CAUGHT ANYBODY OR WHAT WAS GOING ON. MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET'S HOUSE, UH, DOES HAVE BULLET HOLES IN HER WINDOWS TO SHOW FOR THAT. UM, AS WELL, I HAVE NOTICED MULTIPLE YOUTH ENGAGING IN FIST FIGHTING ON THE STREET. SO I DID WANT TO MAKE THIS, OH, UM, JUST BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND AWARENESS, UM, OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN NATIONAL CITY AND MAYBE, UH, SEE HOW WE CAN GET OUR OFFICERS MORE ENGAGED IN SOME OF THESE, UH, SAFETY CONCERNS FOR THE CITIZENS. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND ENJOY YOUR EVENING. WHAT WAS THE, THE LOCATION THAT THIS DRIVEWAY? SURE. IT'S ON EAST THIRD STREET IN BETWEEN JAY AND LAUREL. MM-HMM. , THAT'S WHERE THE FISTFIGHTS ARE AS WELL. NO, NO. I'VE WITNESSED FIST FIGHTS AT THE MALL. I'VE WITNESSED FIST FIGHTS ON THE STREETS OVER BY PLAZA AND HIGHLAND. I'VE WITNESSED FIST FIGHTS IN THE WALMART SHOPPING PAR, UH, CENTER, ESPECIALLY WITH PARKING BECOMING AN ISSUE OVER THERE, PEOPLE YELLING AT EACH OTHER. SO YEAH, IT'S ALL, ALL OVER, JUST ALL OVER THE PLACE. UM, BUT I DO WANT TO GIVE A GOOD SHOUT OUT TO, UH, THE NATIONAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE, UM, IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP. I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP AT CITY COUNCIL AND AT PLANNING COMMISSION FOR, UM, UH, MANY PEOPLE DRIVING OVER THE SPEED LIMIT, ESPECIALLY GOING ACROSS FROM THE 8 0 5 TO THE FIVE DOWN FOURTH DOWN 16TH. A LOT OF SPEEDING. I HAVE [00:20:01] SEEN A LOT MORE PATROL CARS OUT ON THOSE STREETS, UM, AND TRYING TO MITIGATE AND KEEP THE TRAFFIC DOWN. SO SHOUT OUT TO NATIONAL CITY PD. THANK YOU, WALTER. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, THAT'S IT. NEXT ITEM ON THE [6. APPROVAL OF EXCUSED ABSENCES ] AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF EXCUSED ABSENCES. WALTER, DO WE HAVE ANY EXCUSED ABSENCES TO APPROVE? NO, I'M SORRY. NO, WE DO NOT. YOU DON'T HAVE THE ONE FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER NORTH? THE EXCUSED ABSENCES IS FOR ILLNESS. UM, AND THIS ABSENCE IS ACTUALLY, UM, HE'S GOING TO A PARENT TEACHER NIGHT. OKAY, THANK YOU. WE WILL, UH, CARRY [7. INTRODUCTION OF NEW CPRC MEMBERS ] OVER ITEM NUMBER SEVEN TO HOPEFULLY THE NEXT MEETING JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS INTRODUCTION OF NEW CPRC MEMBER. THAT WOULD BE COMMISSIONER ROSEMARY VASQUEZ, BUT SHE'S NOT, UH, SHE IS NOT ATTENDING OUR MEETING TONIGHT. ITEM ON [8. TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES ] NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS EIGHT TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES IN THE PAST. CPRC HAS BEEN INTERESTED IN ATTENDING THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT NICOLE CONFERENCE. THIS YEAR'S CONFERENCE WILL BE HELD OCTOBER 13TH THROUGH 17TH IN TUCSON. WALTER, DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THIS CONFERENCE? UH, I, I DID REACH OUT TO THEM. THEY, UH, OPENED UP THE REGISTRATION. UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE MISSED THE EARLY BIRD, UH, PORTION OF THAT. UM, BUT THEY ALSO DO HAVE, UH, THE HOTEL, THE, THE MAIN HOTEL HAS ALREADY BEEN BOOKED, UM, SOLID. SO, UM, THEY'RE TRYING TO OPEN UP OTHER SLOTS. BUT, UH, THE APPROXIMATE, UH, VALUE OR ESTIMATED, UH, COST IS ABOUT 2000, UH, $265, UH, TO ATTEND THIS. AND GIVEN THAT WE HAVE, UH, ABOUT $3,000, UH, IN THE BUDGET, UM, FOR CPRC THAT THIS COULD TAKE UP, UH, QUITE A BIT OF THE, THE BUDGET. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ON THE CPRC WHO WANTS TO ATTEND THE NICK NICOLE CONFERENCE? I MOST DEFINITELY DID NOT TALK TO COMMISSIONER W ABOUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING . SO, NO, I DO NOT KNOW, BUT, UM, I THINK WE COULD EASILY DO, UH, A MOTION TO SEND SOMEBODY AND MAKE A DETERMINATION LATER WHO THAT PERSON WILL BE. UH, UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK, UH, OUR NEXT MEETING IS GONNA BE AFTER THE, UM, CONFERENCE. DO WE NEED TO HAVE THE MEMBER IDENTIFIED IN ADVANCE AS PART OF THE MOTION? 'CAUSE THAT HASN'T BEEN THE CASE BEFORE. BEFORE IT WAS JUST TO SEND SOMEBODY AND THEN IT WAS IDENTIFIED. HMM. HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY THE PERSON THEN? HOW DO WE IDENTIFY? YEAH. UM, SO IF WE, IF WE JUST MAKE A MOTION TO SEND SOMEONE AND IT'S OCTOBER AND WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, HOW IS THE DECISION GONNA BE MADE AS TO WHO THAT PERSON WILL BE? THAT'S MAKING A PRETTY BIG ASSUMPTION THAT WE'LL GET MORE THAN ONE THAT DOES WANT TO GO. UM, HISTORICALLY IT WAS THE CLERK THAT DISCUSSED IT WITH THOSE THAT WANTED TO GO OKAY. AND THEN THEY FIGURED IT OUT ON THEIR OWN. WHO WAS GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH IT? THAT, OR YOU CAN SAY YOU COULD THROW A MOTION OUT THERE. JUST YOU WANT HELP WORKS WITH THAT. SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION FOR, UH, ZACH TO GO. ZACH DOES WANNA GO. YES. I MAKE THE MOTION TO THROW MY HAT IN THE RING. ALRIGHT. RIGHT, [00:25:01] I SECOND THAT. YOU HAVE A BUTTON FOR IT? I DO, BUT AT LEAST YOU HAVE A BUTTON FOR IT. I DON'T . ALL. ALL RIGHT. LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT OUR MOTION IN AND SECONDED. WE CAN VOTE CARRIED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. VERY WELL. NEXT ITEM, ITEM [9. BUSINESS CARDS – CPRC] ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER NINE. BUSINESS CARDS ITEM WAS CONTINUED FROM THE MAY MEETING. WALTER, HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION REGARDING THIS ITEM? UH, YES. I HAD MET WITH THE CITY CLERK AND THE IT MANAGER. UM, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, UM, WE DO NOT PROVIDE, UH, EMAILS, UH, UH, TO THE COMMISSION IS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT, UH, CITY EMPLOYEES. UM, UM, BECAUSE THE ALLOWING ACCESS TO EMAIL ALSO ALLOWS YOU ACCESS TO THE NETWORK, WHICH, UM, COULD BE A, A CYBER SECURITY TYPE OF SITUATION. THAT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE WEAKEST EXCUSES I'VE HEARD, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT YOU, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT'S PRETTY WEAK. UM, ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET THIS ITEM OFF OF OUR AGENDA. IS IT, UM, IS IT POSSIBLE TO NOT ACCEPT EMAILS ON YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW ALL THIS STARTED WAS, UM, A DISCUSSION WITH THE PREVIOUS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER WHO SAID HE WAS GONNA GET IT TAKEN CARE OF, UNFORTUNATELY HAD HEALTH ISSUES, AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER WAS REPLACED. WE ALSO HAVE A NEW ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. SO EVERYBODY'S FLUSHED OUT OF THE SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD LINED UP KIND OF DISAPPEARED. I, SO BY THIS WEEK ANSWER THAT IT SAID OF THE SECURITY THREAT BY US HAVING ACCESS TO AN EMAIL ACCOUNT. I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S SAID, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT PUTS YOU KIND IN A STRANGE PLACE THERE. AND I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT WE JUST STOP USING IT FOR THAT. WELL, IN, IN SPEAKING WITH THE CITY CLERK, UH, SHE ALSO MENTIONED THAT SHE HANDLES ALL, UH, PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS. UM, SO ANY REQUESTS THAT COME TO HER, SHE WOULD REACH OUT TO THE PARTY, UH, INVOLVED AND ONLY REQUEST THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEING REQUESTED. THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH, UH, YOUR PERSONAL EMAILS. YEAH, AND THERE'S NO, THERE NEVER HAS BEEN ANY QUESTION AS TO IF SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO PERSONALLY RIFLE THROUGH YOUR EMAIL. THE, THE ISSUE WAS WHETHER OR NOT THOSE EMAILS ARE RETAINED. SO I CAN TELL YOU JUST FROM MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, ALL OF MY QUOTE UNQUOTE CITY BUSINESS WAS CONDUCTED ON ONE EMAIL ADDRESS THAT I HAD, THAT I NO LONGER HAVE THAT ACCOUNT. WE'VE SINCE GOTTEN RID OF THAT EMAIL PROVIDER. SO ALL OF THOSE EMAILS ARE GONE. THE OTHER ISSUE IS IF THERE WERE TO BE A LAWSUIT, A PARTY WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO REQUEST A REQUEST TO HAVE ACCESS TO ONE'S CONTENT. WE'LL SAY, UM, WHETHER THAT WAS A CIVIL LAWSUIT OR IF THERE WERE TO BE A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION. UM, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT CAME UP. BUT ALSO IT'S THE, YOU'RE CONDUCTING OFFICIAL CITY BUSINESS FROM A GMAIL OR WHATEVER. SO IT'S COMPLETELY UNPROFESSIONAL AS WELL AS YOU'RE NOW INVITING THE GENERAL PUBLIC INTO YOUR PERSONAL REALM BY USING YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESS. THE CONCEPT OF SOMEBODY SENDING AN EMAIL TO AN EMAIL ACCOUNT THAT'S NOT MONITORED ON A REGULAR BASIS, THAT PERSON THEN SENDING IT TO WHOEVER IT NEEDS TO GO TO, YOU RESPOND BACK TO, WE'LL JUST USE YOU AS AN EXAMPLE, THE CLERK. SO SAY SOMEBODY WANTS TO SEND ME AN EMAIL, THEY SEND IT TO THE CPRC@NATIONALCITYCA.GOV, THEN YOU CHECK IT, YOU SEND IT TO ME, THEN I HAVE TO RESPOND TO IT, SEND IT TO YOU, AND THEN YOU SEND IT TO THAT PERSON. I MEAN, IT'S [00:30:01] SIGNIFICANT DELAY. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A GOOD EFFICIENT USE OF ANYBODY'S TIME. UM, IT'S A WASTE OF CITY RESOURCES TOO. BUT WE'LL SAVE THIS FOR ANOTHER DAY AND I THINK WE SHOULD JUST MOVE FORWARD AND GET THE BUSINESS CARDS TAKEN CARE OF. 'CAUSE THIS IS BEYOND RIDICULOUS. UM, IT'S 2024 AND THIS IS VERY OUTDATED. UM, IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN OUR, UH, OUR REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL. AND CITY COUNCIL SAID THEY WERE GOING TO HELP FACILITATE IT. AND NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT A CITY EMPLOYEE IS GOING TO MAKE AN ARBITRARY DECISION CITING CYBER THAT'S BEYOND WEAK. BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN EMAIL ACCOUNT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACCESS THE SYSTEM BEYOND YOUR ACCOUNT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A CYBERSECURITY EXPERT TO KNOW THAT. SO, AND I FEEL BAD FOR YOU 'CAUSE YOU'RE STUCK IN THE MIDDLE. SO, UH, LET'S JUST ROLL WITH, UM, I GUESS, WELL, I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT SHOULD TAKE A STEP BACK AND ASK IS WHY NOW DO WE NEED TO DO A MOTION FOR BUSINESS CARDS WHEN THAT USED TO JUST BE STANDARD ISSUED BEFORE? WELL, I PUT IT ON THERE, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE IN AGREEMENT, BUT, UM, SINCE WE'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT. OKAY, SO THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE NO FURTHER ACTION ON THIS ITEM THEN AT THIS TIME. NEXT ITEM ON [10. CLOSED SESSION] THE AGENDA, IT'S CLOSED SESSION. DPRC WILL NOW EXIT AND ENTER INTO CLOSED SESSION. ONCE CLOSED SESSION IS COMPLETED, ALL COMMISSIONERS WILL RETURN COMPLETE THE REMAINING AGENDA ITEMS. UM, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STICK AROUND IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR THE READOUT FROM CLOSED SESSION. CLOSED SESSION, CITY ATTORNEY WILL NOW PROVIDE OUR CLOSED SESSION REPORT. THANK YOU. SO, UH, DURING THE CLOSED SESSION THIS EVENING, THE COMMISSIONERS HEARD SEVEN ITEMS. UM, ALL SEVEN ITEMS RECEIVED A VOTE OF SUPPORT, UH, BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THE COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. THAT'S MY REPORT OUT. THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL MOVE TO CITY STAFF COMMENTS, UH, GO WITH ZER. FIRST, I HAVE NOTHING, BARRY, NOTHING TO REPORT. THANK YOU, KEN. UH, NOTHING TO REPORT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA [12. COMMISSIONER REPORTS ] IS THE COMMISSIONER REPORTS, UH, LIKE TO CALL ON EACH COMMISSIONER. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND ONCE CALLED, STATE YOUR REPORTS. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING, START WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER GOMEZ. UH, NOTHING TO REPORT, BUT I DO WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR, FOR BEING HERE AND GIVING PUBLIC COMMENT. COMMISSIONER MCCLURE, UH, JUST APOLOGIZE FOR MY TARDINESS. UH, ONE OF MY CHILDREN HAD BACK TO SCHOOL NIGHT AND IT WAS A PART OF HER GRADE THAT A PARENT ATTENDED, SO I HAD TO SHOW FACE FOR THAT. UH, BUT THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, AS ALWAYS. IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE AND, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO NEXT TIME. MR. CUING. NOTHING TO REPORT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER PHILLIPS. COMMISSIONER GOMEZ, WHEN YOU GOT HERE TODAY, DID YOU FIND THE DOORS UNLOCKED? YES, SIR. THEY WERE UNLOCKED WHEN I, WELL, I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR, UH, COMING TONIGHT. UM, [00:35:01] YEAH, WE'RE ABLE TO COVER SOME GOOD CASES AND, UH, NICE KNOWING THAT THERE'S NOT A HUGE BACKLOG. UM, GOOD QUESTIONS IN CLOSE SESSION BY THE, THE COMMISSIONERS. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS ARE THOROUGH. UM, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED THE 21ST OF NOVEMBER. UM, WELL, SIR, WHERE DOES THAT SIT WITH, UH, THANKSGIVING THIS YEAR? I BELIEVE THANKSGIVING IS ON THE 28TH. PERFECT. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T GONNA HAVE ANY, UH, ISSUES THERE. UM, OKAY. WELL, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. UH, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY FOR WORKING ON THE, UH, UPDATED, UH, NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT. AND THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE. DO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADJOURN TO THE NEXT CPRC MEETING ON NOVEMBER 21ST, 24TH AT 6:00 PM IN THIS BUILDING? I MADE THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE MEETING. SECOND. SECONDED. I HIT ONE OF YOUR BUTTONS. THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. CHAIR EVERYBODY IN AS WHOOP. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.