* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] ALRIGHT, GONNA [1. CALL TO ORDER] GO AHEAD AND, UH, GET THE MEETING STARTED. AND SO, ALRIGHT, UH, BEFORE WE PROCEED, I REQUEST I THAT THE INTERPRETER TAKE A MOMENT TO EXPLAIN THE CITY'S INTERPRETATION SERVICES THAT WILL BE OFFERED FOR THIS EVENING CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU MAYOR. AND GOOD AFTERNOON, NATIONAL CITY INTERPRET. THANK YOU MAYOR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AS A REMINDER, IF WE COULD PLEASE SILENCE ALL CELL PHONES OR DEVICES IN THE CHAMBER. APPRECIATE THAT. WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO, UH, CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER A LIVE WEBCAST OF THIS, OF THIS MEETING CAN BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CI CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY'S WEBSITE INFORMS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. IN PERSON IN THE COUNCIL MEETING BY SUBMITTING ONE OF THESE SALMON COLORED, UH, SLIPS AND GET THAT OVER TO OUR, UH, CLERK'S, UH, DESK OVER HERE, BUT VIA ZOOM BY PRE-REGISTERING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING OR EMAILING NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING. ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY WEBSITE IF THEY ARE RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE. WITH THAT, UM, IF WE COULD HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ, PRESENT VICE MAYOR IMANI. HERE. MAYOR MORRISON PRESENT. AND WE NOTE THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA IS NOT PRESENT, CORRECT? SHE IS AT HER SON'S GRADUATION AND SHE'S PLANNING ON RUSHING OVER HERE AS SOON AS IT'S IS COMPLETED. UH, THANK YOU. SO WITH THAT, IF WE COULD, UH, STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I'LL ASK VICE MAYOR YAMANI IF SHE WILL LEAD US AND IT REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION. PLEASE STAND READY. BEGIN VICE TO THE FIVE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN THIS WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE AROUND. LET US PRAY. FATHER, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JUST BEING HERE. WE THANK YOU FOR THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY. WE ASK GOD THAT YOU BE HERE WITH THE MAYOR AND EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT'S HERE, THAT YOU GIVE THEM THE WISDOM, THE CLARITY, AND THE VISION THAT THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT IT THEY'VE BEEN CALLED TO DO. WE ASK THAT YOU COVER AND PROTECT EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD THAT'S HERE, FATHER, AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE SPECTATORS THAT ARE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS CITY. FATHER, WE ARE SO GRATEFUL FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING IN THIS CITY. WE THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME. WE THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU CONTINUE TO DO HERE. WE HONOR YOU AND IN YOUR PRECIOUS MIGHTY NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. OKAY. AND WOULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF IN WHICH PASTOR NAVARRO WOULD YOU? I APOLOGIZE. OKAY. IF YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND, AND WHAT CHURCH YOU REPRESENT. YES. UH, MY NAME IS PASTOR OSCAR NAVARRO AND I'M ACTUALLY AFFILIATED WITH THE NATIONAL CITY CLERGY ASSOCIATION AND ALSO HEART REV CHURCH AND JESUS CHURCH. WE'RE HERE TO SERVE THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY AND WE THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME, MAYOR. THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, NEXT WE GO INTO [5. PUBLIC COMMENT] PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL GIVE, UH, THREE MINUTES ON THOSE. AND, UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE BRIAN CLAPPER AND LUCIA THERE. THEY'RE THE ONE WITH THE RED LIGHT. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. HI, I'M LUCIA BURDO. UM, I'M THE SENIOR DEVELOPMENT OFFICER AT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS OF GREATER SAN DIEGO. UM, WE HAVE OUR BRANCH HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. IT'S BEEN IN THE CITY FOR ABOUT 50 YEARS AND WE HAVE AN UPCOMING GOLF TOURNAMENT COMING UP AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. UM, IT'S JUNE 21ST, 2024. AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR COMMUNITY [00:05:01] SUPPORT. UM, PLEASE COME OUT AND EITHER GOLF WITH US OR COME TO LUNCH WITH US. UM, IT'S A REALLY FUN TIME. BRIAN IS ONE OF MY MANY VOLUNTEERS WHO'S INCREDIBLE. I'M SURE I'VE, MOST PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM KNOW. UM, AND IT'S A REALLY WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY. ALL THE FUNDS FROM THIS GOLF TOURNAMENT GOES DIRECTLY TO OUR NATIONAL CITY, UH, BRANCH. IT DOES NOT LEAVE THE CITY, IT STAYS IN THE CITY. WE MADE THIS TOURNAMENT SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS BRANCH BECAUSE OF THE SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY HERE. UM, DON REEL'S DAUGHTER AS WELL. MINDY COEL LEWIS WILL BE THERE. AND WE'LL HAVE SOME PRO FOOTBALL PLAYERS AND, UM, ALSO A BLOODY MARY BAR IN THE MORNING, WHICH WILL BE A LOT OF FUN. MM-HMM. . SO I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO COME OUT AND SUPPORT THE KIDS. LIKE I SAID, WE'LL HAVE SOME KIDS THERE, WE'LL HAVE SOME KIDS SPEAKING. UM, IT'S GONNA BE A REALLY FUN DAY. AND, YOU KNOW, AT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, WE SERVICE, UH, 160 KIDS DAILY. UM, WE GIVE THEM ABOUT 90 FREE MEALS WE GIVE OUT A DAY. UM, AND I DEFINITELY WANNA INVITE EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM IF YOU'D LIKE, PLEASE, IF YOU'D LIKE FOR A TOUR TO COME MEET THESE KIDS. UM, SPENDING TIME WITH THE KIDS IS REALLY WHERE YOU LEARN ABOUT OUR MISSION AND ALL THAT WE DO. AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT JUST TO HAVE THAT MENTORSHIP AND TIME WITH THEM. AND I KNOW NATIONAL CITY IS A STRONG COMMUNITY. UM, I'M VERY FEEL VERY LUCKY TO BE A SMALL PART OF IT. UM, AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS AND I HOPE TO SEE YOU AT THE 21ST AT STEEL CANYON. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT. UH, NEXT WE HAVE, UH, ED RANTA. UH, YOU KNOW, I NORMALLY COME UP HERE AND I'M SORT OF CRITICAL AND TODAY I, I DON'T WANNA BE THAT WAY. SO SO I WANT TO TELL YOU THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS WE DISAGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, THIS IS A TOUGH JOB. I KNOW. SO, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO THANK THE CITY STAFF, UH, PARTICULARLY PUBLIC WORKS AND THE POLICE FOR, UH, THE WORK. WHEN I FIRST STARTED COMING HERE ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO FOR THE IRA HOWARD, UH, PLAZA BOULEVARD PROJECT, IT'S COMING ALONG. THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD FEELS SAFER. AND I THINK THAT'S THE END OF, UH, NOT THE END OF IT, BUT HOPEFULLY THAT'S A GOOD START. SO I WANNA JUST THANK, THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, JEFFREY SCHROCK, NATIONAL CITY RESIDENCE MAYOR, COUNCIL AND STAFF. JEFFREY SCHROCK, VOLUNTEER WORKER COMMUNITY ADVOCATE, WOULD LIKE TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR SWEETWATER RIGHT DEVILS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAME FOR MAKING TO THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP. THAT'S GOOD JOB, GUYS. , LET'S GO GET 'EM AND WIN IT THIS YEAR. REMEMBER GUYS, FOOTBALL IS JUST AS MUCH MENTAL HOW SMART YOUR OPPONENT AS IT IS PHYSICAL. ANY, ANY GOOD COACH WILL TELL YOU THAT. UM, I, I HAVE A LOT OF GOOD FEELINGS ABOUT THEIR SEASON THIS YEAR BASED ON LAST YEAR. I, I REALLY THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO GOOD. I WISH THEM NOTHING BUT THE BEST OF LUCK. MM-HMM, . UM, I WOULD LIKE OUR CITY MANAGER TO DO A COST ANALYSIS ON HOW MUCH WE PAID FROM 2016 TO 2020, UH, FOR GAS COSTS EVERY MONTH. HOW MUCH WE WERE PAYING PER GALLON, HOW MUCH PER MONTH. AND DO A COST ANALYSIS COMPARE HOW MUCH WE'RE PAYING FROM, FROM 2020 TO UP TILL NOW. I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, AT THE COST INCREASE, YOU'LL FIND IT TO BE STICKER SHOCK THAT YOU WON'T LIKE. SO THERE'S ONE REASON WHY YOU SHOULD CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, NOT REELECTING, MR. BIDEN. 'CAUSE HE'S THE CAUSE OF WHERE ALL OF OUR GAS INCREASE PROBLEMS COME FROM. HE STARTED THE WHOLE THING FROM DAY ONE WITH HIS EXECUTIVE ORDER KILLING THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE. ANYBODY THAT KEEPS UP WITH WITH POLITICS KNOWS THAT. SO I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE OUR CITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE I THINK YOU WILL FIND THE NUMBERS TO BE DISTURBING. AND YOU'LL ALSO SEE THAT THE OVERALL COST TO RUN GOVERNMENT FROM MONTH TO MONTH, FROM WEEK TO WEEK HAS INCREASED BY, THEY CLAIM 20%. I THINK IT'S MORE LIKE 30 OR 35 AS FAR AS HOW MUCH WE'RE PAYING ACROSS THE BOARD TO KEEP THE CITY GOING. UH, WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR A, A PAD OF PAPER, A GALLON OF GASOLINE, WHAT WHATEVER THE COST OF ELECTRICITY, EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP AND THAT'S CONTRIBUTING TO OUR DEBT. WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER THAT THE, THE COST TO OPERATE THE CITY EVERY MONTH. IT'S INFLATION IS KILLING US. MM-HMM. . AND IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD. AND IT ALL STARTS WITH THE PAIN OF THE PUMP. YOU SEE PEOPLE'S FACES AT THE GAS STATION. MOST PEOPLE ARE UPSET, ANGRY. I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST NOT IN A GOOD MOOD. IF YOU GET, IF YOU SEE SOMEONE SMILE AT THE GAS STATION, IT'S ALMOST A MIRACLE BECAUSE THEY KNOW WE'RE BEING BLED DRY. WE HAVE PAID NO LESS THAN 4 59 A GALLON SINCE JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN PRESIDENT. AND THAT'S A FACT BECAUSE I I I RIDE BY THAT ARCO GAS STATION ON 18TH ISLAND EVERY WEEK. AND YOU KNOW, [00:10:01] I I I KEEP TRACK OF THOSE GAS PRICES. WE HAVEN'T PAID A PENNY LESS THAN 4 59 A GALLON. THAT'S 4 59 A GALLON TOO MUCH AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. AND I THINK THE CITY SHOULD, COUNCIL SHOULD SEE IT THAT WAY TOO. AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHERE OUR, OUR, OUR DEBT HAS COME FROM. AND YOU CAN ALSO FACTOR IN CARELESS SPENDING HABITS FROM THE PREVIOUS MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOUR CITY. ALRIGHT, UH, NEXT WE HAVE SHERRY GOGI THERE. SHE'S MEETING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THIS IS MY MONTHLY MEETING WITH YOU ALL. AS YOU ALL KNOW, I AM ONE OF THE FLED VICTIMS FROM JANUARY. WE ARE BACK IN OUR HOME. THAT'S A BIG THING FOR US TO SAY THAT, UH, BY NO MEANS IS OUR HOME READY COMPLETELY. BUT WE CAN LIVE THERE. WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO, WHICH I ASK EVERY TIME, IS PLEASE BRING INTO THE AGENDA THE GREAT THAT YOU HAVE PUT IN OUR, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT GREAT IS WHAT CAUSED US TOTAL DESTRUCTION IN FIVE HOMES. WE'VE LOST EVERYTHING. WE'RE REPLACING IT, YOU KNOW, LIFE GOES ON. BUT WE CAN'T REPLACE THE FAMILY HEIRLOOMS THAT WE LOST, THAT WERE MY GRANDMOM'S THAT I BROUGHT FROM MAINE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES. WE HAVE TWO NEIGHBORS OVER SEVEN YEARS OLD AND ONE OVER 80. THEIR HOUSES WERE PAID FOR. THEY'VE HAD TO MORTGAGE THEIR HOMES TO REBUILD THEM. THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. THEY CAN'T AFFORD THIS. WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. WE'RE SO UPSIDE DOWN. IT'S AMAZING. AND I HAD FLOOD INSURANCE. TRUST ME, IT DOESN'T COVER EVERYTHING. WE'LL KNOW. WE WON'T HAVE A FENCE FOR PROBABLY A YEAR OR TWO OR A POOL. THINGS LIKE THAT IS NOT COVERED. BUT THIS CAN BE PROTECTED AND TAKEN CARE OF IF YOU REMOVE THAT GRATE. I KNOW IT'S BEEN OPEN, BUT NOBODY HAS BEEN OVER THERE IN THREE MONTHS. EVERYTHING IS OVERGROWN AGAIN. THERE'S HOMELESS THAT WE'RE LIVING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, UM, BASIN AND THEY LEFT THEIR DEBRIS THERE. NOBODY'S AT A CLEAN IT. WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE, THE CANAL BEHIND US, LIVING IN THE TUNNEL, BRINGING THEIR FURNITURE, BRINGING THEIR COOKING UTENSILS. 'CAUSE THEY, I HEARD, I SMELLED THE FOOD THE OTHER DAY. WE NEED TO GET THIS TAKEN OF, AND WE NEED TO KEEP AN EYE ON ALL THE TIME, NOT JUST WHEN WE HAVE A CATASTROPHE AND A DISASTER. THERE'S OVER A HUNDRED FAMILIES IN NATIONAL CITY THAT ARE AFFECTED IN ALL STROKES. I'M ASKING YOU, AT LEAST IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE OTHER ONES ALSO DO TAKE, DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE, PUT IT ON THE AGENDA SO WE CAN SEE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PROTECT US NEXT TIME. WE CAN'T GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN. THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IN A ROW. WE CAN'T DO IT AGAIN. PLEASE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. I'M ASKING YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT IS ALL OF THE SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT AND, UH, MAYOR. YEAH. OH, AND I'M SORRY. UH, AND ZOOM. AND WE HAVE SOME ON ZOOM. THANK YOU. UH, TERRY SCULLY. GOOD EVENING CITY COUNCIL. I'M TERRY ANN SKELLY. I AM A PARENT OF THREE ADULT SONS AND I'VE WORKED ON BEHALF OF YOUNG ADULTS TO SAFEGUARD THEIR PASSAGE TO PRODUCTIVE ADULTHOOD. I ALSO ADVOCATE FOR GOOD PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY IN LAND USE DECISIONS IN OUR CITY. I SUPPORT ALL IMPROVEMENTS TO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT GIVE YOUNG PEOPLE HOPE AND GOOD HEALTH. I HAVE PARTICIPATED IN QUESTIONNAIRES ASKED WHAT WOULD MAKE NATIONAL CITY A BETTER PLACE FOR CHILDREN AND YOUTH. ROUTINELY PARKS COME UP AND THE NEED FOR SAFE AND CLEAN NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH ARE DEFINITELY INTERTWINED. I APPRECIATE THAT. OUR CITY HAS TOBACCO AND MARIJUANA SMOKE-FREE AND FREE PARKS, BEACHES, AND HIKING TRAILS. ESPECIALLY SINCE AIR QUALITY IN THE SOUTH BAY IS SO MUCH IN THE NEWS THESE DAYS, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO BEGIN THE PROCESS THAT MAKES NATIONAL CITIES AIR QUALITY, CLEANER AND HEALTHIER IN ALL PUBLIC PLACES FOR EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY YOUTH AND OLD AND VULNERABLE POPULATIONS. SECONDHAND MARIJUANA AND TOBACCO SMOKE AND VAPOR CAN BE VERY HARMFUL WITH ITS MORE THAN 7,000 TOXIC CHEMICALS. SECONDHAND MARIJUANA AND TOBACCO SMOKE AND VAPE IS KNOWN TO CAUSE CANCER IN NON-SMOKERS. AND [00:15:01] TO AFFECT THE HEART AND BLOOD VESSELS INCREASING THE RISK OF HEART ATTACK AND STROKE. ON BEHALF OF MY THREE ADULT SONS, THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THEIR FUTURE GOOD HEALTH. WHEN YOU MAKE IMPORTANT LAND USE DECISIONS LIKE TOBACCO AND MARIJUANA, SMOKE-FREE AND VAPE FREE PUBLIC PLACES. THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY CONCERNS TONIGHT. THANK YOU PEGGY WALKER. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. I'M PEGGY WALKER. I CAME TONIGHT AS A YOUTH ADVOCATE AND MEMBER OF SAN DIEGO COUNTY TOBACCO CONTROL COALITION BECAUSE INTEREST HAS BEEN EXPRESSED REGARDING A SMOKE-FREE MULTI-UNIT HOUSING ORDINANCE HERE. AND I WANT TO SUPPORT THAT IDEA. IT'S NO SECRET THAT SECOND AND THIRD HAND SMOKE EXPOSURE FROM TOBACCO, SMOKE, MARIJUANA, SMOKE AND E-CIG AEROSOLS POST SERIOUS HEALTH THREATS. THESE READILY IMA MIGRATE THROUGH DOORWAYS, WALL CRACKS, ELECTRICAL LINES, PLUMBING AND VENTILATION SYSTEMS CAUSING OR CONTRIBUTING TO LUNG, HEART, AND OTHER SERIOUS HEALTH ISSUES. INCLUDING, AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS, INCLUDING SUDDEN INFANT DEATH SYNDROME. CLEANING ERROR VENTILATION SYSTEMS DOES NOT ELIMINATE EXPOSURE TO TOXINS AND SECONDHAND SMOKE. ELIMINATING THIRD HAND SMOKE FROM SURFACES SUCH AS UPHOLSTERY, DRAPES, AND CARPET, WHICH ESPECIALLY IMPACTS VERY YOUNG CHILDREN, IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. SMOKE-FREE POLICY IS THE ONLY SOLUTION EVERYONE DESERVES TO BRING, BREATHE CLEAN AIR IN THEIR HOMES. UNFORTUNATELY, LOWER INCOME FAMILIES OFTEN ARE MORE HIGHLY IMPACTED BY SECOND AND THIRD HAND SMOKE TOIN TOXINS BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO LIVE IN MUH. THE FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT MADE ALL PUBLIC HOUSING SMOKE FREE IN 2018. SINCE THEN, CITIES HAVE BEGUN TO INSTITUTE MUH SMOKEFREE BANS AND MANY LOCALLY LIKE CORALS VAN ENCINITAS ARE CONSIDERING THEM. NOW. I ASK NATIONAL CITY TO DO THE SAME, TO PROTECT CHILDREN AND FAMILIES. THIS WILL NOT ONLY PROMOTE CLEAN AIR, GOOD HEALTH, AND SAVE LIVES, BUT SAVE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN COST TO OVER TO TURNOVER UNITS AND SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES FIRE RISK. PLEASE PUT M FREE MUH INTO YOUR WORK PLAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KELLY MCCORMICK. HELLO, THIS IS KELLY MCCORMICK. I'M A PUBLIC HEALTH EDUCATOR FOCUSING ON YOUTH SUBSTANCE USE PREVENTION. THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN SCHOOL OF MEDICINE RECENTLY PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE BY DR. AARON BONNER CALLED FOUR THINGS YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT CANNABIS IN BRIEF. NUMBER ONE, CANNABIS IS ADDICTIVE. DR. BONNER WRITES THAT ONE IN FIVE PEOPLE DEVELOP CANNABIS USE DISORDER. IT'S THE MOST COMMON ADDICTIVE DISORDER IN THE US AFTER ALCOHOL AND NICOTINE SIGNS INCLUDE NEEDING A LARGER AMOUNT TO ACHIEVE THE SAME LEVEL OF EFFECT AND WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS WHEN GOING WITHOUT THE SUBSTANCE. SECOND, CANNABIS DOES NOT MAKE YOU A BETTER DRIVER. STUDIES SHOW THAT MARIJUANA USE SLOWS REACTION TIME, MAKING IT HARDER TO AVOID COLLISIONS. IMPAIRED DRIVING IS A CRIME. THIRD LEGALIZATION DOES NOT MEAN CANNABIS IS GOOD FOR EVERYONE. DR. BONNER CITES STUDIES SHOWING THAT CANNABIS LEGALIZATION OFTEN RESULTS IN MORE CALLS TO POISON CONTROL CENTERS OR MORE EMERGENCY HOSPITAL VISITS. FOR ACCIDENTAL INGESTION. OFTEN YOUNG CHILDREN ARE THE VICTIMS DUE TO UNSAFE STORAGE OF EDIBLES. AND FOURTH, CANNABIS IS STRONGER THAN EVER BEFORE MAKING IT RISKIER THAN EVER TOO. AS THE POTENCY HAS INCREASED, SO HAS THE RISK OF WORSENING MENTAL HEALTH CONDITIONS. DR. BONNER WRITES THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO FEEL BETTER IN A SOCIETY WITH A CURRENT MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. BUT SCIENTIFIC DATA SHOWS THAT CANNABIS USE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION SYMPTOMS WORSE. CREATING A NEGATIVE LOOP EFFORTS THAT ENCOURAGE ATION AND INCREASED CURRENT LEVELS OF MARIJUANA USE WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON NATIONAL CITIES PUBLIC HEALTH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. BECKY RAPP. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BECKY RAPP. I'M A PARENT AND A PUBLIC HEALTH EDUCATOR, DEEPLY CONCERNED REGARDING THE UPTICK IN MARIJUANA CONSUMPTION. I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU AN ARTICLE PUBLISHED IN NBC SEVEN SAN DIEGO TITLED, DAILY MARIJUANA USE OUTPACES DAILY DRINKING IN THE US A NEW STUDY SAYS, ACCORDING TO AN ANALYSIS OF NATIONAL, OF NATIONAL SURVEY DATA, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN THE US REPORT USING MARIJUANA [00:20:01] DAILY OR NEARLY EVERY DAY. AND THOSE PEOPLE NOW OUTNUMBER THOSE WHO SAY THEY ARE DAILY OR NEARLY DAILY DRINKERS OF ALCOHOL. JONATHAN CALKINS, A CANNABIS POLICY RESEARCHER AT CARNEGIE MILAN UNIVERSITY STATED, A GOOD 40% OF CURRENT CANNABIS USERS ARE USING IT DAILY OR NEARLY DAILY. A PATTERN THAT IS MORE ASSOCIATED WITH TOBACCO USE THAN TYPICAL ALCOHOL USE. IT'S UNDENIABLE THAT BIG MARIJUANA IS FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF BIG TOBACCO AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO ADDICT THEM YOUNG. THIS DATA CANNOT BE IGNORED AND IS DEEPLY CONCERNING AS THOSE WHO ARE CONSUMING ARE ALSO DRIVING DRUGGED. HERE IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY, MARIJUANA IS THE NUMBER ONE DRUG INDIVIDUALS TEST POSITIVE FOR WHEN A DUI TEST IS CONDUCTED. AND PEOPLE WHO DRIVE IMMEDIATELY AFTER CONSUMING INCREASE THEIR RISK OF GETTING INTO A CRASH BY 25 TO 30%. DISTRICT ATTORNEY SUMMER STEPHAN IS IN AGREEANCE THAT DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF MARIJUANA IS A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTOR TO THE UPTICK IN DUI CASES. AS WE ANTICIPATE SESSIONS BY THE BAY OPENING, IT IS CRITICAL THAT THE CITY REQUIRE ALL SAFETY MEASURES BE IMPLEMENTED. THE OWNER HAS GUARANTEED THAT THE BUSINESS WILL OPERATE IN LINE WITH ALL RULES AND REGULATIONS, INCLUDING CHECKING ID AND VERIFYING THAT ALL CUSTOMERS ARE OVER 21. BUT WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO ENSURE THAT THOSE WHO LEAVE HIGH AREN'T GETTING BEHIND THE WHEEL? AS SUMMER APPROACHES AND TOURISM INCREASES, OUR STREETS MUST REMAIN SAFE. IMPLEMENTING GOOD PUBLIC POLICY PRACTICES IS CRUCIAL AND THEY MUST BE CLEAR AND CONCISE AND STRONGLY ENFORCED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BARBARA GORDON. UM, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. I ATTENDED A CONFERENCE IN SACRAMENTO THIS LAST WEEK AND IT REMINDED ME THAT HOW COSTLY TOBACCO AND MARIJUANA IS TO THE STATE AND OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S IMPERATIVE TO PRIORITIZE THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF ALL CITIZENS INSTEAD OF SUPPORTING OR PROMOTING PRODUCTS THAT ARE ADDICTIVE. THE FINANCIAL COST TO THE HEALTHCARE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP, AND THE LOSS OF PRODUCTIVITY ARE ALL ENORMOUS COSTS TO THE TAXPAYER. TOBACCO AND MARIJUANA REMAINS A SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERN. TOBACCO SMOKE CONTRIBUTES TO VARIOUS PREVENTABLE DISEASES AND DEATH OF NEARLY 40,000 CALIFORNIANS EVERY YEAR. THAT IS 110 PEOPLE EVERY DAY. PREDATORY INDUSTRIES LIKE TOBACCO AND MARIJUANA INTENTIONALLY TARGET AND PROFIT OFF, BUT YOUNG PEOPLE BY SELLING THEIR PRODUCTS TO OUR COMMUNITY, THE INDUSTRY SPENDS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS MARKETING AND ADVERTISING THEIR PRODUCTS, ESPECIALLY MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES MAKING ADDICTION MORE AFFORDABLE. THESE DRUGS ARE NOT HARMLESS. REGARDLESS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANY COMPANY OR STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT WOULD LIKE YOU TO BELIEVE THAT FAMILIES AND TAXPAYERS CONTINUE TO BEAR THE, THE COST FROM THE BURDEN AND THE HEALTHCARE ISSUES THAT FOLLOW. I URGE YOU TO NOT IGNORE THE RISK FACTORS SUCH AS PERCEIVED ACCEPTIBILITY POLICYMAKERS CAN INFLUENCE THE PREVENTION LANDSCAPE THAT CAN CHANGE LIVES OF THEIR RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND MAYOR, THAT CONCLUDES THE ZOOM COMMENTS AND WE DID HAVE ONE WRITTEN COMMENT. ALRIGHT. YOUR MIC IS OFF, SIR. OH, I'M SORRY. IT'S ON. YES. ALRIGHT. RIGHT. UM, OKAY. THAT FINISHES OFF OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS. NEXT WE GO INTO PROCLAMATIONS [6.1 Proclamation - LGBTQ+ Pride Month - June 2024] AND RECOGNITIONS. AND OUR FIRST ONE IS, AND SOME OF YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED OUT IN FRONT, AN EXTRA FLAG WAS FLYING TODAY AND WE'LL BE FLYING, UH, THE REST OF THIS MONTH. AND THAT IS THE L-B-G-T-Q PLUS FLAG. AND, UH, THE UH, UM, AND SO WE ARE DECLARING THIS MONTH L LGBTQ PLUS PRIDE MONTH AND, UH, TO ACCEPT THAT WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS A, UH, NOT ONLY A RESIDENT OF NATIONAL CITY, BUT HAS BEEN A HUGE FORCE WITH NOT ONLY IN OUR LOCAL AREA, BUT THROUGHOUT THE REGION. AND, UH, I'VE RAN INTO HER IN AIRPORTS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY AND EVERYTHING ELSE. UH, AND UH, THAT IS OUR GOOD FRIEND MAMA CASS. SO IF WE CAN, AND SO TWO YOU, YOU CAN RIGHT THERE AT THE MIC. HOW'S THAT RIGHT UP THERE? I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA READ A LITTLE BIT OF THIS FIRST THEN, THEN I'M GONNA, I OKAY. UM, HOLD OFF. JUST HOLD OFF JUST A MINUTE, MOM. OKAY. [00:25:01] HOLD OFF JUST A MOMENT. AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WAS FOUNDED ON THE PRINCIPLES OF EQUALITY OF LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL AND RECOGNIZING THE INHERENT DIGNITY AND WORTH OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL. THE BT PLUS COMMUNITY HAS LONG BEEN AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR NATION'S DIVERSE TAPESTRY, CONTRIBUTING IN EVERY ASPECT OF SOCIETY FROM ARTS AND CULTURE TO SCIENCE AND POLITICS. THROUGHOUT HISTORY. PLUS, INDIVIDUALS HAVE COURAGEOUSLY FOUGHT FOR THEIR RIGHTS, DIGNITY, AND ACCEPTANCE. OFTEN THE FACE OF DISCRIMINATION, VIOLENCE, AND PERSECUTION. THE MODERN GBT PLUS RIGHTS MOVEMENT TRACES IT ROOTS BACK TO THE STONEWALL UPRISING OF JUNE OF 1969, WHERE PATRONS OF THE STONEWALL IN A POPULAR G BT UHT PLUS BAR, I'LL GET THAT OUT IN A MOMENT. UH, NEW YORK CITY ROSE UP AGAINST POLICE HARASSMENT AND PRESS IMPRESSION, SPARKING A WAVE OF PROTEST AND DEMONSTRATIONS THAT GALVANIZED THE FIGHT FOR LGBT PLUS, UM, RIGHTS WORLDWIDE. AND SO IN THE DECADES SINCE STONEWALL, THE COMMUNITY AND ITS ALLIES HAVE ADVANCED EQUALITY, INCLUDING THE, UH, DECRIMINALIZATION OF HOMOSEXUALITY. THE RECOGNITION OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE AND THE EXTENSION OF LEGAL PROTECTIONS AGAINST DISCRIMINATION AND PRIDE MONTH IS CELEBRATED EACH JUNE TO COMMEMORATE THE STONEWALL UPRISING AND TO HONOR THE RESILIENCE, COURAGE, AND DIVERSITY OF THE LGBT PLUS COMMUNITY, WHILE ALSO RAISING AWARENESS ABOUT THE ONGOING STRUGGLES AND CHALLENGES THEY FI THEY FACE. SO THEREFORE, WE DECLARE IN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY THIS MONTH, LGBTQ PLUS PRIDE MONTH. WOO. AND SO THANK YOU MUCH, MAYOR. UM, HAPPY PRIDE AND HAPPY HALLOWEEN AT THE SAME TIME. , UH, I GOT HERE IN DAM IN THE US 1987, AND I DIDN'T WASTE ANY TIME. I JOINED SEVERAL UM, ORGANIZATIONS BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, I'M ASIAN AND GAY. SO I I'M CONSIDERED AS MINORITY OF MINORITY. AND DURING THOSE TIMES WE FOUGHT SO HARD FOR EQUAL HUMAN RIGHTS, WHERE DURING THE EIGHTIES AND NINETIES DURING PRIDE PARADE WERE BEING WATER HOSE WERE BEING EGGED, STONED AND FIREWORKS WERE THROWN AT US. SO, UH, ME AND AND BEHALF OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS FOUGHT HARD TO ADD, UH, REINFORCEMENTS IN THE STREETS OF, UH, HILLCREST AND NORTH PARK BECAUSE LBTQ PEOPLE WERE BEING BASHED AND WAS WORSE MURDERED. AND, UM, I ALSO, UH, RAISED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, NOT ONLY FOR THE LBTQ, BUT ANY ORGANIZATION WHO ASKED FOR MY HELP. AND WE ALSO FOUGHT HARD FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE SAME SEX AND THE DON'T ASK DON'T TELL, UM, THING HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. AND ALSO, UM, ACCESS OF FREE CONDOMS IN EVERY BAR IN HILLCREST AND NORTH PARK TO STOP THE SPREAD OF HIVI WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE NATIONAL CITY COUNCILORS AND THE MAYOR FOR THIS AWARD. THANK YOU. I WAS CALLED SO MANY THINGS. I WAS CALLED, UH, LUMINARY, UH, ICON AND LEGEND, BUT THE MOST THING THAT I REALLY LIKED WAS BEING CALLED AN ACTIVIST. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA DO FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE SO THAT THE L-G-B-T-Q NOW AND THE FUTURE CAN STAND ON MY SHOULDER AND LOOK AT A BRIGHTER AND SAFE COMMUNITY FOR ALL OF US. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. YOU ARE VERY, VERY WELCOME. YOU WANT TO TURN IT AROUND SO THEY CAN THERE YOU GO. SO HOLD THAT. HE KNOWS THE GALL , THE THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. WORK IT. YEP. UH, SHE CAME TO THIS COUNTRY IN 87. I THINK I MET HER AS EITHER 90 OR 91 AND I THINK IT WAS 92 THAT I WAS, UH, JUDGING A, UH, TALENT KARAOKE CONTEST. FILIPINO KARAOKE CONTEST. AND MAMA CASH WAS ONE OF THE ENTERTAINERS AND MCING. AND THEN SHE CAME OUT AND DECIDED TO SIT ON ONE OF THE JUDGES' LAPS AND IT WAS MINE. AND SO JUST [00:30:01] ONE, MY, MY KNEE HASN'T RECOVERED SINCE MAMA CAST, BUT ANYWAY, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE LOVE YOU. 14 MINUTES. ALRIGHT, . ALRIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT, . UM, NEXT WE [6.2 Proclamation - Sweetwater High (Red Devil) Football Team Appreciation Month] HAVE THE, UH, OUR SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL, OUR RED DEVIL FOOTBALL TEAM. AND I SEE SOME, I SEE SOME RED DEVILS BACK THERE. AND, UH, ALL RIGHT. NOW LET ME JUST SAY, WHEN I WAS GOING TO SWEETWATER, IT WAS LUCKY WE WON A GAME MUCH LESS WHO WENT TO STATE CHAMPIONSHIP. UH, THAT WAS DURING A RATHER LOW TIME, SHALL WE SAY. UH, BUT, UH, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A TEAM LIKE THIS ONE WHO THIS LAST YEAR HAD A GREAT START, THEY WERE OH AND FOUR, THEY LOST THEIR FIRST FIRST FOUR GAMES AND THEN THEY GOT THEIR ACT TOGETHER AND STARTED CLOBBERING EVERYBODY. AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DO THEY END UP RE END KNOW WINNING DIVISION, THEY END UP, UH, WINNING SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND THEN WENT ON TO THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP. UH, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW PROUD YOU MAKE THIS TOWN IN YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENT. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS EVIDENCED BY WHEN WE WENT UP TO, UH, WHAT WAS IT, EL CAMINO COLLEGE. MM-HMM. . AND THE OTHER TEAM WAS NOT, NOT AS FAR AWAY AS WE WERE, AND YET WE HAD AT LEAST TWICE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE STANDS THAT THEY DID BACKING YOU UP. IT CAME UP FROM NATIONAL CITY. WE WERE VERY GRATEFUL TO QUAN SEQUAN. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS WON THE, UH, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ON SATURDAY, SUNDAY. A CALL WAS PUT INTO QUAN AND YOU KNOW, THIS WAS GOT A QUICK TURNAROUND. AND COME TO FIND OUT THERE WAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF GOING ON IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. ALL THE BUSES WERE TIED UP EVERYWHERE. AND SEQUAN SAYS, LET'S WORK WITH YOU. AND THEY SUPPLIED FOUR BUSES FOR NOT ONLY THE TEAM, BUT FOR THEIR PARENTS, FOR, UH, FOR PEOPLE FROM NATIONAL CITY, UH, TO GO AND CHEER YOU GUYS ON. AND, UH, AND IT WAS, IT WAS A, A MEMORABLE OCCASION. OUTCOME WAS NOT EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED, BUT NO ONE HAS EVER GOT TO STATE CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE YOU GUYS DID THAT. THAT IS AWESOME. THAT IS AN ACCOMPLISHMENT THAT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA REMEMBER FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIVES. LIVES. AND UH, SO HOW, HOW MANY SENIORS DO WE HAVE HERE THAT ARE GONNA BE GRADUATING? GOT ANY SENIORS? THEY'RE ALL GETTING READY FOR TOMORROW, RIGHT? THEY'RE ALL SENIORS. YEAH. YEAH. THEY THEY, THEY'VE ALL GOT GRADUATION TOMORROW, HUH? WHAT'D YOU SAY? YEAH, THEY'RE ALL SENIORS. OH, THESE ARE ALL SENIORS. THESE ARE ALL SENIORS. YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU'RE ALL, ALL GOING FOR GRADUATION TOMORROW. OKAY. AND, UH, BUT YOU GUYS ARE THE INSPIRATION FOR THOSE THAT ARE GONNA BE FOLLOWING IN BEHIND YOU AND, UH, UH, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MANY OF US, WE, YOU KNOW, ATTEND ALL YOUR GAMES AND EVERYTHING AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS YOU GUYS ARE PHENOMENAL. AND YOU, YOU DON'T REALIZE HOW, HOW BIG IT IS. I GO, WE GO TO OTHER SCHOOLS SOMETIMES ON THE AWAY GAMES AND YOU LOOK AT THE STANDS AND IT'S BASICALLY STUDENTS, NOT THAT MANY YOU COHERE AND IT'S ALUMNI, LIKE CRAZY ALUMNI NORMALLY IS, IS, UH, OUTNUMBERING THE STUDENTS AND, AND 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW MUCH THIS TOWN GETS BEHIND YOU. SO COACH YEP. BASICALLY SAID A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT'S IN HERE. SO NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT THAT. I THINK YOU HIT EVERYTHING ON THE DOT MAYOR MORRISON AND BOARD, WE APPRECIATE AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE TO SUPPORT US. MAYOR MORRISON, YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE DOT. I MEAN, ALSO AS THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR THAT WEEK LEADING UP TO THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP, COULD NOT FIND A CHARTER BUS. EVEN THE BUS THAT TOOK US THERE, I CALLED THEM UP, THEY WERE ALL BOOKED UP. BUT IF YOU'RE THE MAYOR, I GUESS YOU CAN'T SAY NO. . SO THE MAYOR THROUGH SEQUAN TRIBE, EXCELLENT JOB AS FAR AS GETTING US NOT ONLY THE BUS FOR THE TEAM, BUT THEN FOR THE WHOLE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. MM-HMM. . AND JUST A SMALL TOKEN AND A RECOGNITION FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THIS CITY AND THE SUPPORT THAT YOU'VE DONE WITH OUR FOOTBALL PROGRAM AND ACTUALLY COMING UP AND ATTENDING THE GAME. WE GOT YOU ASSIGNED. YEP. WE GOT YOU. THE HELMET OVER HERE. UH, MAYOR WITH ALL THE KIDS, UH, SIGNATURE. IT'S GOT THE RED DEVIL ON THERE JUST FOR YOU. AND WE DO HAVE EIGHT TO 10 SENIORS HERE. EACH ONE WANTS TO TALK FOR A FEW MINUTES. THAT'S OKAY. ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE ARE MEN A FEW WORDS. THEY'RE NOT GONNA OUT. I KNOW THIS GROUP, I KNOW THIS GROUP TOO WELL. IF I WOULD PUT 'EM ON THE SPOT, THEY WOULD JUST SUGAR COLD. SO, BUT IF IT'S POSSIBLE, IF WE DON'T, IF WE CAN COME BEHIND AND TAKE A PICTURE WITH YOU. IS THAT, DO YOU GUYS WANNA COME IN BEHIND? YEAH. IS THAT POSSIBLE? I THINK WE CAN TRUST YOU FOR THAT. COME ON, COME ON. BACK UP. AND WE WANNA SEE THOSE RINGS TOO. YES. YOU GUYS HAVE, DO YOU GUYS WANT YOU TALK ABOUT THE RINGS? THEY, JS GOT THE RINGS TODAY AND THAT'S FOR CHAMPIONSHIP RINGS IN HONOR OF THEIR I SEE THAT SAN DIEGO CHAMPIONSHIP, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA CHAMPIONSHIP AND BEING A STATE FI FINALIST. SO, YEP. JUST REAL QUICK, BEFORE, BEFORE YOU GUYS COME UP HERE, I, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL YOUR DEDICATION AND LOVE. CONGRATULATIONS ON NOT JUST THE GAME, [00:35:01] UH, AND NOT JUST THE SEASON, BUT JUST MAKING IT HERE AND GRADUATING AND PLEASE, UH, YOU KNOW, CARRY SWEETWATER FOREVER WITH PRIDE AND WHEN YOU HEAR THE ALMA MATER, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABOUT. UM, AND UH, I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO GET OUT TOO OF, OF SAN DIEGO AND TRAVEL AND DO, DO DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT THEN, BUT THEN JUST COME BACK, COME BACK TO NASHVILLE CITY, COME AND GIVE BACK SWEETWATER AND, AND HELP THE NEXT GENERATION. SO, VERY PROUD OF YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. AWESOME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. DO YOU MIND IF WE COME BACK? COME ON BACK. EITHER WAY. DO YOU WANT HIM STANDING BEHIND US? NOT SITTING. MIGHT BE BETTER? OH YEAH, SURE. OKAY. MR. ETTE. OH YES. SO I CAN HAND MR. MORRIS. OKAY. . OKAY. OH WOW. OKAY. GET OH, YOU GOTTA DOUBLE ON BOTH SIDES. BOTH SIDES. YEAH. ON BOTH SIDES ON THIS ONE. GUESS. OKAY, I GOTTA ASK A QUESTION. HOW MANY SIGNED FOOTBALL HELMETS HAVE YOU GIVEN OUT? THREE. YEAH, WE WERE, WE WERE JUST LAST, WAS IT LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS? TWO WEEKS AGO, I GUESS IT WAS. UH, WE TOOK ONE UP TO SQUA AND WE ASKED TO MEET WITH THEIR TRIBAL COUNCIL. DID NOT TELL 'EM WHAT WE WERE THERE FOR. 'CAUSE NORMALLY THEY EXPECT PEOPLE TO COME AND REQUEST SOMETHING FROM THEM, BUT WE WANTED TO LET 'EM KNOW HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE THEM. AND THE COACH AND A COUPLE OF PLAYERS WERE THERE AND, AND, UH, PRESENTED THEM WITH A SIGNED HELMET. AND THAT WAS, UH, PRETTY SPECIAL. AND THIS, THIS IS VERY SPECIAL. THANK, THANK YOU. WE'LL DEFINITELY SEE YOU ALL TOMORROW, CONGRAT. APPRECIATE YOU. THANK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU ARE THE, WE, WE STILL GOT THESE TOO. CONGRATULATIONS COMING. WE STILL, OH, YOU GET, TAKE IT DOWN, DOWN HERE. AND I NOTICE THERE'S A SPELLING CHANGE. WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU ANOTHER ONE THAT'LL BE CORRECTED, BUT, UH, WE ALSO HAVE SOME COPIES HERE FOR THE PLAYERS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANKS. THANK YOU ALL. ALL RIGHT, THANKS GUYS. YEAH. LET ME JUST SAY, UH, IT WAS PRETTY AMAZING WHEN THE, UH, SEQUAN STEPPED UP THE PLATE AND SAYS, OKAY, WE'LL FUND IT. AND THEN WE HAD TO START LOOKING FOR, UH, FOR BUSES. THEY WERE TRYING, THEY WERE MAKING CALLS. UH, MY, MY ASSISTANT WAS MAKING CALLS AND BETWEEN THE TWO OF 'EM, THEY WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH FOUR BUSES WHEN EVERYONE SAID THERE WEREN'T ANY BUSES. AND, UH, MADE IT HAPPEN FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UH, AN AWESOME DAY TO BE UP THERE WITH THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE. AND AFTERWARDS, THERE WERE SO MANY DISAPPOINTED YOUNG MEN, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY DIDN'T WIN, BUT WOW, THEY GOT TO STATE CHAMPIONSHIP. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LIKE THOSE TEXAS TEAMS THAT GO TO STATE CHAMPIONSHIP EVERY YEAR. I'M SORRY. YOU KNOW, UH, WE'D NEVER, WE'D NEVER GOT THAT FAR. WE NEVER EVEN GOT THE SOUTHERN, WE, YOU KNOW, NEVER EVEN GOT DIVISIONAL. AND FOR THEM TO GO TO, TO, UH, STATE CHAMPIONSHIP WAS, WAS SOMETHING AWESOME. AND WE, WE WERE CONSTANTLY TALKING TO THOSE YOUNG, YOUNG MEN AND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO ENFORCE THAT UPON THEM ABOUT HOW SPECIAL IT WAS TO US, ALL THAT THEY HAD ACHIEVED. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE OH, NO. THOUGHT YOU WERE REACHING UP FOR IT. OKAY. MM-HMM. ALRIGHT. UM, NEXT WE [6.3 Introduction of New City Employees] GO FOR INTRODUCTION OF, UH, NEW EMPLOYEES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE HAVE, UH, UH, SOME NEW EMPLOYEES AND WE HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE THAT'S NOT NEW, BUT WE'RE GONNA TECHNICALLY, UH, REINTRODUCE. SO WHY DON'T WE START WITH THAT ONE COUNCIL MEMBER. YEAH, SURE. LET'S BRING UP, UH, UH, DANIEL GONZALEZ. UH, SO DANIEL, IF YOU WANT TO, UH, COME UP. SO, DANIEL GONZALEZ, UH, HIS, HIS ACTUAL, UH, OFFICIAL TITLE IS EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT THREE. I CONSIDER MY HIM, MY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE. HE'S BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR THREE YEARS, AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE HIM STARTED. HE JUST STARTED THREE WEEKS AGO AND ALREADY IT'S BEEN A GAME CHANGER, MY STRESS LEVEL. UM, JUST MY HAPPINESS HAS INCREASED A LOT BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO NOT JUST HELP ME OUT, BUT REALLY HELP, HELP THE CITY OUT. AND I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT, THAT YOU'VE STARTED TO DO, JUST TO, UM, START WITH OUR COMMUNICATION WITH POLICY ANALYSIS. UM, SO THEN THIS DID COME FROM OUR, OUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING. SO, UH, WITH THAT, YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE A FEW WORDS, DANIEL, THAT'S A REALLY STRONG INTRODUCTION. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH, UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, ESTEEMED AUDIENCE MEMBERS, UH, CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME TAKE THE FLOOR. UH, LIKE MY NAME'S DANIEL GONZALEZ. I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS, BEEN TOGETHER FOR THREE WEEKS, AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF VENTURES, HAVE BEEN A BIG LEARNING EXPERIENCE, MADE A LOT OF NEW FRIENDS, GREAT CONNECTIONS. I'M VERY EXCITED TO HELP COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH WITH EVERYTHING HE NEEDS TO DO. UH, LIKE I STATED, I WANT TO FOCUS ON COMMUNICATIONS. THAT'S MY [00:40:01] EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND AND THAT'S WHAT I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IN. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT HAS, LET ME LEAN ON TO THAT. AND, UM, I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS ALL DAY, YOU KNOW, DO MY INTRODUCTION. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY AND HOW TO END IT. . UM, SO I WILL SAY THIS, UH, JUST DO WANT TO GIVE A QUICK SHOUT TO KA . HE REALLY IS, UH, THE MAN THAT'S SET YOU UP GOING, HE'S ALWAYS REMINDING ME WHAT IT TAKES, UH, AND YOU KNOW, HOW IT, WHAT IT TAKES TO HAVE OPEN COMMUNICATION AND HOW IMPACTFUL THAT CAN BE IN A, IN A ORGANIZATION. AND HE IS ALSO DEMONSTRATES TO ME HOW IMPORTANT IT IS AND, UH, HOW IMPORTANT IT'S TO, TO REALLY SHOW EVERYBODY RESPECT AND IT MATTER. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE OR WHERE YOU COME FROM, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS SHOWING RESPECT THOSE MILES. AND I REALLY JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT MOMENT OUT AND TO SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR ME. THANK YOU GUYS. I SECOND AND DANIEL, WE DO THANK YOU. HE HAS BEEN A LOT LESS STRESSFUL, SO THANK YOU . ALRIGHT. OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT. I DO BELIEVE. HELLO? YEP, YOU GOT IT. AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW, IN BACK OF OUR ENGINE 34, UH, THE SWEETWATER RED DEVIL FLIES PROUDLY. SO YEAH. WE'RE ALSO VERY PROUD OF, UH, THE ACCOMPLISHMENT OF OUR, OF OUR LOCAL. AND, AND I'VE GOTTA TELL YOU, DURING THE, UH, NORTHERN FIRES, THERE WAS A DEAL ON ONE OF THE NATIONAL TV STATIONS, AND IT HAD OUR FIRE ENGINE, AND WE WERE GETTING COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE ABOUT WHY DO WE HAVE A DEVIL ON THE BACK OF OUR FIRE ENGINE? SO WE HAD TO EXPLAIN THAT TO PEOPLE ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT SCHOOL IS THE HEART AND SOUL OF THIS CITY. AND SO WE HAD TO, UH, UM, YEAH, WE HAD TO EXPLAIN THAT. NOW THEY ALL KNOW, RIGHT? YEAH. THEY, THEY THOUGHT YOU GUYS WERE A LITTLE, LITTLE GOING, GOING OFF THE DEEP END SOMEWHERE. YEAH. YEAH. UH, WELL, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY STAFF, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. UH, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE TONIGHT OUR NEWEST MEMBER OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR NEWEST FIRE INSPECTOR, ONE JACOB GUZMAN. AND I'VE GOT QUITE A LONG, UH, RESUME, EVEN THOUGH HE IS QUITE YOUNG, AS YOU CAN TELL. RIGHT. UM, JACOB GUZMAN WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THE CITY OF ESCONDIDO AND GREW UP IN A BIG FAMILY. HE IS THE YOUNGEST OF SIX. UH, HE'S VERY FAMILY ORIENTED AND LEFT TO SPEND TIME WITH HIS FAMILY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UH, JACOB ALSO GREW UP DOING A LOT OF COMMUNITY WORK AND HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN NUMEROUS, UH, UH, CHURCH SERVICES, INCLUDING FOOD DRIVES, FEEDING THE HOMELESS DETROIT DRIVES. AND NOW HE ACTUALLY CURRENTLY RUNS HIS OWN COMMUNITY SERV SERVICE PROGRAM AT HIS LOCAL CHURCH. UH, JACOB GRADUATED FROM ORANGE GLEN HIGH SCHOOL AND PLAYED FOOTBALL ON TRACK. SO HE'S QUITE THE ATHLETE, APPARENTLY. RIGHT. . UM, UH, JACOB ALSO DID COMMUNITY EVENTS FOR YOUTH SPORTS, WHICH INCLUDED FOOTBALL AND TRACK. UH, AFTER HIGH SCHOOL, HE KNEW THAT HE WANTED TO BE INVOLVED IN COMMUNITY SERVICES AND HE DECIDED TO PURSUE A CAREER IN THE FIRE SERVICE. JACOB ATTENDED PALMORE COLLEGE WHERE HE GOT HIS, UH, EMT CERTIFICATION AND BEGAN WORKING AS AN EMT ON AN AMBULANCE FOR ABOUT A YEAR. UM, SHORTLY AFTER FINISHING THAT, HE DECIDED TO PURSUE CAREER IN THE FIRE SERVICE, ATTENDED PALAMA COLLEGE AND, UH, RECEIVED HIS FIRE, HIS FIRE CERTIFICATE. UH, HE THEN BEGAN WORKING ON A PRIVATE AMBULANCE COMPANY FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND WAS THEN HIRED AS AN EMT IN OUR NEIGHBORING CITY OF CHULA VISTA TO THE SOUTH, WHERE HE, UH, WORKED ON AN AMBULANCE FOR, FOR ABOUT A YEAR. UH, WHILE WORKING FOR THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA, HE GOT TO MEET FIRE INSPECTORS AND, AND FIRE INVESTIGATORS AND, AND BECAME INTERESTED IN PURSUING A CAREER IN THE COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION DIVISION. AND, UH, JACOB THOUGHT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PURSUE FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. UH, HE THEN ATTENDED MIRAMAR COLLEGE WHERE HE WAS, UH, WHERE HE RECEIVED HIS FIRE INSPECTOR CERTIFICATE AND WAS HIRED INTERNALLY AS THE FIRE PREVENTION AID AT THE CHULA VISTA FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, ALONG WITH ALSO WORKING AS THE FIRE PREVENTION INTERN IN SAN MARCOS FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND, UH, WHILE WORKING IN THAT CAPACITY, HE LEARNED ABOUT INSPECTIONS AND, AND REALLY WHAT THE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION DIVISION DOES, OR, OR FIRE PREVENTION. UH, HE WORKED AT THESE TWO DEPARTMENTS FOR APPROXIMATELY ABOUT A YEAR UNTIL HIRED BY US APPROXIMATELY TWO MONTHS AGO. AND HE'S, HE'S GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND, UH, WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE JACOB AS OUR NEWEST MEMBER OF OUR DEPARTMENT AND OUR BRAND NEW FIRE INSPECTOR ONE. SO, WELCOME TO THE FAMILY, JACOB. GOOD EVENING, UH, ESTEEM MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY MANAGER AND ALL, UM, CITY STAFF HERE. UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. UM, LIKE CHIEF SAID, AT AT A YOUNG AGE, I'VE ALWAYS HAD A, A PASSION TO SERVE THE LOCAL COMMUNITY HERE. AND I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO, UM, HELP THE COMMUNITY IN SOME WAY. I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO KEEP [00:45:01] IT SAFE. I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE, UM, A PUBLIC SERVANT IN SOME WAY. AND, UM, IT'S A PASSION OF MINE ON MY OFF TIME IS TO HELP LOCAL COMMUNITIES HERE IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY. AND, UM, I'M JUST SO GRATEFUL AND BLESSED FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY AND I'M HERE TO GIVE IT MY ALL AND I'M IN ALL IN MY ABILITY. I'M HERE TO KEEP THE, UH, COMMUNITY OF NATIONAL CITY SAFE IN FIRE PROTECTION. AND I THANK YOU ALL AGAIN AND I AM VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY. THANK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE MORE. HELLO, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL STAFF AND THE PUBLIC. MARTIN REEDER DEPUTY, SORRY, DEPUTY ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT . STILL HAVEN'T GOT USED TO THAT. , UH, . I'M HERE TONIGHT TO INTRODUCE OUR NEWEST PLANNING DIVISION EMPLOYEE, SOPHIA DEPUY. UH, WE HIRED SOPHIA BACK IN APRIL, AND, UH, SHE COMES TO US FROM, UH, SUNNY NORTHERN CALIFORNIA WHERE SHE WENT TO UC, DAVIS. SHE HAS A DEGREE IN, UH, COMMUNITY PLANNING, COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT, EXCUSE ME. AND HAS BEEN WORKING FOR US, UH, SINCE APRIL. SHE'S A PLEASURE TO HAVE AROUND. SHE WAS, UH, PREVIOUSLY WORKED FOR THE CITY OF WOODLAND, WHICH IS UP NEAR SACRAMENTO, NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH WOODLAND HILLS IN LA. UM, ANYWAY, SHE'S BEEN, SHE'S SLID RIGHT IN AND GOT RIGHT TO WORK AND WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HER ON BOARD. AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN RUNNING PRETTY THIN FOR A WHILE. MM-HMM. . AND, UH, SHE'S A GREAT ADDITION TO THE TEAM AND WE LOOK FORWARD, UH, TO, TO GROWING, UH, PROFESSIONALLY TOGETHER. SO HERE'S SOPHIA. OKAY. HELLO. IT'S NICE TO OFFICIALLY MEET EVERYONE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL. VERY GOOD. SAY THANK YOU . WELL WELCOME ABOARD. AND, UH, AS YOU SAID, BOTH ARE LIKE OUR BUILDING, ENGINEERING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN PRETTY THIN. PROBLEM IS WITH THAT WHEN LIKE BUSINESSES TRY TO COME IN OR WHATEVER, YOU DRAG THINGS OUT AND THE BEST THING TO KILL PROJECTS IS TIME. AND SO, UH, SO WE'VE HAD TO, AND ALSO FIRE INSPECTION WAS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE AREAS. UH, AND SO WITH STARTING TO GET THOSE THINGS BACK UP AND HOPEFULLY THEN IT WILL PAY DIVIDENDS IN THE LONG RUN BECAUSE AS I SAY, WE GET SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES UP AND GOING, PEOPLE REALIZE IT'S NOT GONNA BE A HASSLE TO COME TO NATIONAL CITY TO START, START THEIR BUSINESS, START THEIR PROGRAMS, AND, UH, YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET GOOD TREATMENT HERE. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WELCOME ABOARD. ALRIGHT, NEXT WE [7.1 Sweetwater Authority Presentation on Right-of-Entry] HAVE A, UH, A PRESENTATION FROM A GROUP THAT HAS THE VERY BEST WATER IN THE COUNTY AND HAS AN EXCELLENT BOARD OF DIRECTORS, SWEETWATER AUTHORITY. GET RIGHT AHEAD. UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, UH, VICE MAYOR AND, AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, FOR ALLOW US TO PRESENT TONIGHT. UH, MY NAME IS ERIC SKE. I AM DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING AND OPERATIONS WITH SEA WATER AUTHORITY. AS YOU MENTIONED, WE'RE THE, UH, WATER UTILITY THAT SERVES PUT WATER TO TO THE CITY. I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE, UH, . HE'S INJURY MANAGER FOR WATER RESOURCE AND ENVIRONMENTAL. AND TODAY WE'RE GONNA TAG TEAM WITH THIS PRESENTATION. WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT BRIEF. UH, WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON CAPITAL PROJECTS, UH, THAT WE HAVE IN YOUR CITY. OKAY. SO, HAVING SAID THAT, UH, THE FIRST PROJECT IS, UH, CONSISTS OF A PIPELINE REPLACEMENT PROJECT ON SALE STREET. UH, IT BASICALLY, UH, WE'RE REPLACING A PIPELINE. IT HAS A HISTORY OF LEAKS. UH, IT'S AN EIGHT INCH PIPELINE, UH, AND WE'RE REPLACING WITH AN EIGHT INCH, UH, ALSO A PVC. UH, THE CON THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT CORPS HAS ALREADY BEEN AWARDED. AND, UH, WE PLAN TO MOBILIZE IN MID-JUNE. AND, UH, WE EXPECT COMPLETE WORK BY MID-OCTOBER. IS IT, IS IT JUST THAT RED, THE RED AREA THERE, OR WHAT IT IS JUST THE RED AREA, BASICALLY, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION OF SEA LOT, UH, AND, UH, EIGHTH STREET, CORRECT? YES. SO IT WOULD BE CROSSING EIGHTH STREET, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AS PART OF THE SAME PROJECT, GO AS PART OF THE SAME PROJECT, WE HAVE OUR PIPELINE, UH, IT'S ON EAST 16TH STREET AND, AND PART OF THE OCEAN AVENUE AS WELL. YOU SEE THE ALIGNMENT THERE, UH, IN YELLOW. UH, THIS ONE ALSO HAS A HISTORY OF LEAKS. IT'S BASICALLY NOW TIME TO REPLACE IT. IT IS A 20 INCH PIPELINE. UH, WE'LL REPLACE IT WITH A 20 INCH PVC. UH, WE PLAN TO MOBILIZE ON THIS SEGMENT OF PIPELINE IN MID-JULY, UH, OR ALSO EXPECT TO BE COMPLETED BY OCTOBER. UH, AND WITH COMBINATION OF BOTH PIPELINES, UH, WE WERE PROVIDING AN INVESTMENT OF ALMOST [00:50:01] A MILLION DOLLARS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN PROVIDE RELIABLE WATER TO THE CITY. MM-HMM. . AND THERE WILL BE WITH, WITH BOTH PIPELINES, SOME ASSOCIATED, YOU KNOW, IMPACTS OF TRAFFIC AS EXPECTED. UH, BUT, UH, THERE WILL BE SOME, UH, PARTIAL CLOSURES OF, OF, OF THE STREET. UH, BUT THOSE WILL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, UH, UH, PERMITS THAT WE HAVE OBTAINED FROM THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. UH, NEXT PROJECT IS, UH, A TREATMENT PROJECT AT OUR NATIONAL CITY WELLS FACILITY. THIS IS A FACILITY LOCATED ON THE, UH, NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY, UH, JUST, UH, EAST OF THE, UH, I 8 0 5. UH, THIS, UH, FACILITY ALREADY PROVIDES, UM, CLEAN WATER THAT MEETS ALLSTATE AND FEDERAL STANDARDS, UH, BUT IT DOES HAVE SOME NATURAL OCCURRING, UM, MICRO QUANTITIES OF IRON MANGANESE. MM-HMM. , UH, THAT GET PASSED THROUGH THE SYSTEM, UH, CAN PROVIDE SOME COLOR ISSUES TO THE, TO THE WATER. UH, IT IS COMPLETELY SAFE TO DRINK, BUT IT CAN PROVIDE SOME AESTHETIC ISSUES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS. UH, SO THIS PROJECT WILL PROVIDE SOME CLARITY TO THAT WATER. UH, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE ACTUALLY ADVERTISED FOR BIDS BACK IN OCTOBER. YEAH. UH, UNFORTUNATELY WE HAD TO REJECT ALL BIDS BECAUSE THEY ALL CAME IN TOO HIGH. UH, THE LOWEST BID WAS $9.3 MILLION. UH, WE'RE GOING THROUGH A REDESIGN PROCESS TO LOWER THE COST OF PROJECT, UH, TO KEEP IT WITHIN BUDGET. AND WE DO HAVE A FEDERAL GRANT, UH, THEY RECEIVED THIS PAST APRIL FOR ALMOST $900,000. SO WE PLAN TO RE ADVERTISE THIS PROJECT IN THE LATE SUMMER. OKAY. AND FOR THIS NEXT PART OF THE PRESENTATION, I'LL PASS TO MY COLLEAGUE, UH, PAUL . GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE WELL CITING STUDY IN NATIONAL CITY, UM, SWEETWATER AUTHORITY AND BY EXTENSION, UH, MET THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO BE ON TOP OF A VERY PRODUCTIVE AQUIFER. AND SO THERE'S A LAYER OF ANCIENT SOIL ABOUT THREE TO 900 FEET BELOW US THAT WE EXTRACT THE WATER FROM WITH 14 PRODUCTION WELLS THAT HAVE BEEN OPERATING FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS NOW. MM-HMM. . UM, THESE WELLS PRODUCE BRACKISH WATER, WHICH MEANS IT'S ABOUT SEVEN TIMES SALTIER THAN DRINKING WATER, BUT 12 TIMES LESS SALTY THAN SEA WATER. SO IT TAKES A LOT LESS ENERGY TO EXTRACT THE SALT AND CREATE DRINKING WATER FROM IT. UM, THESE WELLS, THOUGH, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE THEY HAVE SOME DOWNTIME. AND SO WHEN WE DO HAVE DOWNTIME, PRODUCTION GOES DOWN. AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO PURSUE FUNDING FOR A STUDY TO POTENTIALLY IN CONSTRUCT A NEW WELL THAT WOULD ALLOW US MORE FLEXIBILITY AND KEEP MORE UPTIME ON THE PRODUCTION. UH, SO WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN A GRANT FOR $800,000 FROM STATE DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES, AND WE STARTED AN INITIAL STUDY, AN INITIAL PHASE OF THE STUDY THAT DETERMINED CANDIDATE SITES FOR A TEST. WELL, THAT WOULD TAKE APPROXIMATELY SIX WEEKS TO IMPLEMENT. AND SO THAT INITIAL PHASE IDENTIFIED IN CITY OF NATIONAL CITY'S STEIN FARM IS THE ONE OF THE TOP RANKED SITES. AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP WHERE STEIN FARM IS LOCATED RELATIVE TO OUR DESALINATION FACILITY, RIGHT OFF THE 54 ON THE LOWER RIGHT THERE. AND STEIN FARM IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UH, NATIONAL SEA MIDDLE SCHOOL IN OTIS ELEMENTARY. UM, SO SWEETWATER AUTHORITY HAS HAD AN EASEMENT AT STEIN FARM SINCE 1993 FOR AN EXISTING MONITORING WELL THERE. AND SO THE TEST WELL, THAT WE INTEND TO, UH, CONSTRUCT THERE WOULD BE A TEMPORARY, WELL THAT ONLY IT GOES DOWN 900 FEET AND IT TAKES SAMPLES OF WATER FROM THREE DIFFERENT LEVELS IN THAT WELL. AND FROM THAT WE CAN DETERMINE HOW MUCH WATER WE CAN EXPECT TO PRODUCE FROM THAT WELL, AS WELL AS THE QUALITY OF THAT WATER. AND HOPEFULLY, UH, THE RESULTS WOULD INDICATE THAT THERE IS GOOD POTENTIAL FOR A PRODUCTION WELL THERE. SO WHEN WE DO THIS WELL, WE INTEND TO INCLUDE NOISE ABATEMENT BARRIERS. WE'LL NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS AND ENSURE THAT THE IMPACTS TO OPERATIONS AT STEIN FARM ARE MINIMIZED. AND AFTER THE PROJECT IS DONE, WE'LL REFILL THE HOLE AND, UH, RESTORE THE SURFACE. SO THE NEXT STEPS ARE THAT WE PLAN TO START THIS WELL ON JUNE 17TH. IF THE RESULTS SHOW THAT THE SITE IS VERY SUITABLE FOR PRODUCTION, THEN WE WILL REQUEST FROM CI CITY TO UPDATE THE EXISTING EASEMENT SO THAT WE CAN ALLOW FOR, UH, FUTURE PRODUCTION. WELL, UH, WE'LL SEEK FUNDING FOR THAT PRODUCTION WELL, AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY TO ALSO OBTAIN PERMITS FOR A PIPE TO CARRY THE WATER BACK TO OUR DESALINATION FACILITY. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL CON, YOU KNOW, WE INTEND TO CONSTRUCT A WELL, THAT'D BE A GREAT ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY AND IMPROVE A RELIABLE LOCAL RESOURCES AND AVOID, UH, RELYING ON, UH, COSTLY AQUEDUCT WATER. SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT, THAT IS SORT OF A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT OF WHERE THE DRILL RIG AND THE PIPES WOULD BE ON THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE STEIN FARM SITE. AND WITH THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. YEAH, THANKS FOR, UH, THIS PRESENTATION AND INFORMATION. SO THE, THE WATER THAT WOULD BE IS, UH, PUMPED. UM, IT, SO IF THIS PROJECT PANS OUT, THIS IS JUST A TEST, RIGHT? SO IF THE TEST EVERYTHING COMES OUT GOOD, LIKE YOU WANT IN THE TEST, THEN IT WOULD BE AN ACTUAL PRODUCTION. WELL, RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. EXTRACTING WATER, THEN IT GOES TO THE DESALINIZATION PLANT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN WHERE WAS THE WATER GO FROM THERE. THEN FROM THERE, THE DESAL PLANT DIRECTLY IS DISPERSED TO OUR RESIDENTS. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. YES. OKAY. AND [00:55:01] THEN WHAT PERCENTAGE WOULD IT POTENTIALLY BE FOR OUR, UH, WATER SUPPLY? THE INDIVIDUAL? WELL, I COULDN'T SPEAK TO THAT 'CAUSE IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH IT PRODUCES, BUT THE DESALINATION FACILITY AS IT STANDS NOW, PRODUCES ALMOST A THIRD OF OUR WATER FOR NATIONAL CITY, FOR SWEETWATER AUTHORITY. FOR SWEETWATER AUTHORITY IN GENERAL. YEAH. GOT IT. UM, BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO, BECAUSE WE'RE PART OF THE LARGEST SWEETWATER AUTHORITY, WE DON'T KNOW, WE CAN'T SAY HOW MUCH PERCENTAGE THAT WOULD BE FOR, FOR US IN NATIONAL CITY. I, I COULD LOOK INTO THAT IF YOU LIKE. OKAY. YEAH, I WAS, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. WHAT, WHAT THAT IMPACT IS FOR AND FOR US SINCE IT'S US EXTRACTING IT, HOW MUCH OF IT LIKE BASICALLY STAYS HERE THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY SAVE VERSUS IMPORTING? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M TRYING TO GO. YEAH. LOOK AT THAT. UM, YEAH, I COULDN'T SPEAK TO THAT EXACTLY, BUT I COULD SAY THAT THREE OF THE WELLS, THE NATIONAL CITY WELLS THAT ERIC HAD MENTIONED ON THE PREVIOUS PROJECT, THOSE ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY GO TO THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. MM-HMM. . GOT IT. ADD TO THAT RESPONSE, I THINK, UH, BASED ON OUR, YOU KNOW, PRODUCTION DATA THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, WE CAN SEE THAT ON AVERAGE, UH, WATER DEMANDS IN NATIONAL CITY AS A WHOLE, THROUGH OUR WHOLE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, IT'S, UH, ABOUT 30% IN, IN GENERAL. OKAY. UH, REMEMBER ANI THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, I THINK THANK YOU FOR, UH, ALL THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE CITY AND, YOU KNOW, I'M A PARTNER AGENCY, UM, AND WE'D LIKE TO THANK YOU AS A CITY FOR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LOOKING AT ALL THIS, UM, IMPROVEMENT. MM-HMM. , I AM, UM, HAPPIEST, BUT I KNOW A SECOND PERSON WILL BE HAPPIER CITY ENGINEER OVER THERE. , THANK YOU FOR THE HELP. THANK YOU. YEAH, I, I KNOW WITH THE, THE WELL THAT WAS DUG THERE BEFORE, INITIALLY IT WAS TO PROVIDE WATER FOR THE, THE STEIN FARM ITSELF UNTIL WE FOUND OUT THE BRACKISH NATURE OF IT. UM, SO THIS IS GONNA BE LIKE, AT A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT LEVEL, A DIFFERENT DEPTH, RIGHT. UH, IT IS GONNA GO DEEPER. RIGHT. BUT IT WILL BE EXTRACTING SIMILAR WATER, HOWEVER, IT'LL GO TO THE DESALINATION FACILITY, SO, RIGHT. YEAH. BECAUSE YOU, YOU'RE, YOU NEED A GREATER QUANTITY OF WATER. YEAH. AND THE OTHER ONE WAS BASICALLY JUST TO TAKE CARE OF THE FARM. YEAH. AND SO THIS ONE, YOU'RE GONNA NEED A LARGER QUANTITY. AND BETWEEN THE DESAL PLANT AND THE THREE, THREE WELLS THAT WE HAVE, THAT'S ON THE NATIONAL CITY SIDE, AS OPPOSED TO THE WELLS THAT ARE OVER IN THE CHULA VISTA, UH, THAT WERE ADDED LATER. BETWEEN THAT AND THE, THE WELLS, UH, AT EL TOON, WERE BASICALLY NATIONAL CITY IS BASICALLY PROVIDING ALL THE WATER USED HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. I, IF I REMEMBER, IF I REMEMBER THE NUMBERS RIGHT, ARE YOU, SO YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE WELLS IN NORTHERN CHULA VISTA AS WELL AS THE WELLS IN NATIONAL CITY? YES. YEAH. YEAH. THE FIRST PHASE, YES. THE FIRST PHASE OF THE WELLS, AND THEN ALSO WITH THE, UH, UH, THE WELLS AT EL TOON AND THE FRESHWATER WELLS. RIGHT. UH, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, I THINK THE NUMBERS CAME OUT THAT WERE BASICALLY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S HIGHLY UNUSUAL IN CALIFORNIA AND, UH, TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT, UH, UH, BUT ANYWAY, YEAH. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES AND UM, AND THE ISSUE IS THAT AS MUCH AS THE DESAL USED TO BE SEEN AS GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE, THIS IS BRACKISH WATER DESAL AND NOT SALT WATER DESAL, YOU KNOW, OUR CHEAPEST WATER, I GUESS WOULD BE THE ONES THAT COME FROM THE WELL, UH, EL TOON. NEXT ONE IS WHAT IT COMES ON OUR RUNOFF AT LOVELAND. AND UH, SWEETWATER THEN COMES THE DESAL PLANT. AND AFTER THAT IS ANYTHING WE GET FROM COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY. 'CAUSE THE PRICE ON THAT WATER IS SKYROCKETING. AND UH, 'CAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WATER FROM WAY BACK WHEN WE'D TALK ABOUT A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR WATER FROM COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY PER ACRE, UH, PER, UH, ACRE FOOT. NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE $2,000. AND, UH, SO IT'S, UH, SO THE MORE THAT WE CAN BE SELF-SUFFICIENT WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE HERE, THAT MUCH BETTER. AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, I THINK SWEETWATER DAM RIGHT NOW IS WHAT ABOUT 74%? THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. AND, AND THEN, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, LOVELAND RESERVOIR, WHICH IS OUR ONE FARTHER UP, IS ABOUT MAYBE SEVEN INCHES FROM OVERFLOWING. ABOUT THREE, YES, ABOUT THREE INCHES FROM OVERFLOWING. OKAY. SO, YEAH. SO, UH, SO YOU'RE GONNA BE HEARING A LOT ABOUT THE, THE SCREAMS OF THE COST OF WATER AND, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT. BUT WHEN YOU SEE THAT, LIKE IN THE UNION TRIBUNE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SAN DIEGO COUNTY AS A WHOLE. 'CAUSE A LOT OF THE WATER AGENCIES HAVE TO DEPEND UPON THE COUNTY, UH, SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY FOR ALL OF THEIR WATER, LITERALLY ALL OF THEIR WATER IN A LOT OF CASES. AND IT IS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY SWEETWATER AUTHORITY HAS BASICALLY THE LOWEST, IF NOT SOME OF THE VERY LOWEST RATES OF ANYTHING IN THIS, IN THIS, IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AS FAR AS THAT GOES. SO, UH, AND A LOT OF THAT IS HELPED BY THE CONSERVATION. WE ALSO HAVE IN OUR, OUR, UH, IN SWEETWATER AUTHORITIES DISTRICT, EVEN INCLUDING [01:00:01] THOSE WASTE WATER WASTERS IN, IN BONITA, WHICH I WON'T MENTION, UH, THEY, UH, UH, WE HAVE A CONSERVATION RATE AND THE AMOUNT OF AMOUNT THAT'S USED PER CAPITA PER PERSON, THAT IS DRASTICALLY LOWER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE WHO'S, UM, AND SO THAT'S THE REASON WE KIND OF COMPLAIN WHEN THE GOVERNOR SAYS ACROSS THE BOARD, YOU GUYS GOTTA CUT WATER USE, WE'RE GOING, WE'VE ALREADY CUT. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOWN. WE'RE REAL SLIM. WE, WE'VE DONE OUR, OUR, WE DID IT RIGHT. AND, UH, AND THEN SOMEONE UP IN, UP IN NORTH COUNTY, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HAVE THE SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH, WATER BILLS AND EVERYTHING, THEY GET TO HAVE TO CUT THE SAME AMOUNT WE DO. AND IT'S LIKE, NO BIG DEAL. SO ANYWAY, UH, WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE, HUH? WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE. WE ARE IN GOOD SHAPE. AND AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT, UH, NEXT FEW YEARS, EVEN WITHOUT ANY MAJOR RAIN OR ANYTHING ELSE, WE ARE WELL COVERED HERE. AND OF COURSE, EVERY EVERY DROP OF RAIN WILL BE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF, LITTLE BIT OF GRAVY ON THE BISCUITS. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER, ANYTHING ELSE FOR HIM? NO, NO MA'AM. JUST THANKING THEM. YEP. AND ACKNOWLEDGING, UH, ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER OF ANOS, NOT A STRANGER. WHAT'S HIS NAME? YEAH, . AND, UH, THANK YOU. OUR, OUR FORMER CITY ENGINEER AND, UH, WHO, WHO WE LOST TO SWEETWATER AUTHORITY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT PRESENTATION. SAME. THANKS. THE, THE POWERPOINT DOES HAVE A LAST SLIDE THAT HAS CONTACT INFORMATION IN CASE THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. OKAY. THEN COME UP LATER FROM, FROM THE, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OR THE PUBLIC. AND IT HAS A LINK ALSO TO A CIP DASHBOARD ON OUR WEBSITE WHERE WE CAN ACCESS SOME OF THE INFORMATION, UH, FROM OF ALL CIP PROJECTS. OKAY. THANK YOU ERIC. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, DASHBOARD AGAIN. ALRIGHT. AND WE DO HAVE THAT. AND YOU CAN GO ON THE, UH, SWEETWATER AUTHORITY WEBSITE AND THEY HAVE WHAT IS CALLED A DASHBOARD. AND IT WILL TELL YOU EVERY DAY HOW MUCH WATER IS IN EACH, LIKE EACH ONE OF THE RESERVOIRS, UH, HOW MUCH MONEY IS BEING, I MEAN, HOW MUCH WATER IS MONEY, HOW MUCH WATER IS, IS BEING ADDED EACH DAY, OR HOW MUCH IS WE ARE LOSING. BECAUSE EVEN NOW, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVEN'T HAD RAIN FOR SEVERAL, UH, BEEN SEVERAL WEEKS BEFORE WE, SINCE WE'VE EVEN HAD A DROP OF RAIN, THERE IS STILL RUNOFF GOING INTO LOVELAND RESERVOIR AND WE'RE GETTING SOME ALSO INTO SWEETWATER RESERVOIR. AND SO, UH, OUR DEAL RIGHT NOW WITH LOVELAND IS WATER EVAPORATES, OF COURSE, OFF THE SURFACE. AND WE HAVE JUST ABOUT ENOUGH COMING IN THAT IS KEEPING, KEEPING UP WITH THE EVAPORATION. SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE RIGHT UP AT THE TOP OF THE RESERVOIR, WE DON'T THINK WITHOUT A MAJOR RAINSTORM, WE DO NOT THINK IT'S GONNA OVERFLOW EVEN WITH, EVEN THOUGH WATER'S STILL COMING INTO THAT RESERVOIR. ALRIGHT. UM, SO NEXT WE GO INTO [8.REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS] REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS AND ANY, UH, AB 1234 REPORTS. SO WITH THAT, I'LL START DOWN HERE ON THE FAR MY FAR LEFT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF REPORTS I ATTENDED A FEW WEEKS BACK ON MAY 22ND, UM, REPRESENTING SANDAG, UH, THE CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF COUNCILS OF GOVERNMENT, CAL COG. UM, WE HAD A PRESENTATION REGARDING TRANSIT AND INTERCITY RAIL CAPITAL PROGRAM, TSIP, UH, PROGRAM FUNDING, WHICH IS FEDERAL AND STATE, UH, FUNDS. THESE ARE FUNDS THAT ARE LEFT OVER FROM THE SURPLUS YEARS. AND, UH, THE ALLOCATION FOR SAND, IT'S BASED ON POPULATION SIZE IN THE REGION. THE ALLOCATION FOR SANDAG IS GONNA BE ALONG THE LINES OF $50 MILLION. AND THESE ARE MAINLY IN FORMS OF, UM, UH, SUPPORTING PROGRAMS THROUGH, UH, UH, GRANTS. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO. SOME MONEY LEFT OVER FROM, UH, PREVIOUS YEAR'S BUDGET. UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY FACING THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA $58 BILLION BUDGET SHORTFALL. IT'S SIGNIFICANT. AND AS A RESULT, THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR HOUSING, UM, IS GOING TO BE PROPOSED, IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE CUT IN HALF. AND MANY OF THOSE ARE IN FORMS OF GRANTS. UM, HOW IT, THIS IS APPLICABLE TO NATIONAL CITY. SO WE APPLIED FOR A $450,000 GRANT, UH, WHICH IS CALLED OWN NATIONAL CITY. IT'S TO ASSESS, UH, PARCELS, UM, UM, CITY PARCELS AND HOW WE CAN DEVELOP THEM INTO HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES. SO THAT GRANT HAS BEEN PUT ON HOLD AS A RESULT OF THIS. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET OUR FAIR SHARE IN THE CITY AND THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE KIND OF HOUSING THAT WE NEED. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO BE CONTINUOUSLY WORKING ON. UM, NEXT WEEK, JUNE 13TH, UM, WE HAVE THE SANDAG MOBILITY WORK MEETING. UH, WE WILL BE DISCUSSING AMONG MANY ISSUES IN ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY, UH, WHICH IS A REGIONAL ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY STRATEGY. ESSENTIALLY, IT'S, UH, PACKAGE TRANSPORTATION AMONG MUNICIPALITIES. SO THINKING NOT SO FAR IN THE FUTURE, ESSENTIALLY, UM, TRANSPORTING PACKAGES FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER, UM, USING DRONES. AND SO THAT CONVERSATION IS STARTING TO HAPPEN. SANDAG IS, [01:05:01] UM, UH, CURRENTLY DOING DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND STUDYING THE FUTURE OF PLANNING. AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AT THE TABLE AND MUNICIPALITIES HAVE A STRONG SAY, UH, AS TO HOW THE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION WILL CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. SO, UM, THOSE ARE MY REPORTS. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. YES. I JUST GOT BACK YESTERDAY, UH, FROM ALBUQUERQUE ALONG WITH TWO OF OUR, UH, POLICE OFFICERS, UH, FREDDIE TECH, UM, AND, UH, JORGE CRUZ. UH, WE ALSO HAD A MEMBER OF THE C UH, COMMUNITY POLICE RELATIONS COMMISSION, UH, MANISA ROSALES, UH, MY COUNCIL REP, UH, DANIEL GONZALEZ, AS WELL AS THE CI. UH, AND THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE, UH, SPONSORED BY THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. BUT WE ALSO HAD, UH, FOLKS FROM THE NONPROFIT, THE UNITED LOW RIDER AIR COALITION, WHICH IS A LOCAL, UH, UH, ORGANIZATION. IT'S A VERY GRASSROOTS SPACE AND NATIONAL CITY THAT ADVOCATES FOR LOW RIDER CLUBS IN THE COMMUNITY. SO WE HAD A GREAT CONTINGENT THERE IN ALBUQUERQUE. THIS, IT WAS THE FOURTH ANNUAL NATIONAL CRUISING COMMUNITY POLICING CONFERENCE, A VEHICLE FOR CHANGE. AND WHAT THIS DOES IS ACKNOWLEDGE LOW RIDERS AS PART OF THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES IN THIS NATIONAL NETWORK. SO WE HAD ALBUQUERQUE THERE, A LAHA, KANSAS, UH, THE ESPANOLA IN NEW MEXICO. UM, AND SO WHAT WE DO IS EXCHANGE IDEAS AND COLLABORATE ON HOW OUR POLICE DEPARTMENTS CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH COMMUNITY. UH, THE UNITED LOW RIDER COALITION, WHEN THEY ATTENDED LAST YEAR'S CONFERENCE, THEY BROUGHT BACK IDEAS FOR CREATING A YOUTH LOW RIDER BIKE, UH, PILOT PROGRAM THAT STARTED, UM, JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A GRADUATION COMING UP, UH, THIS SATURDAY, UH, JUNE 8TH THAT, UM, AT 11 THAT I THINK THE MAYOR'S GONNA BE IN ATTENDANCE AS WELL AS OUR, OUR CHIEF. SO, UH, BUT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, UH, IT'S NOT JUST, UH, LOW RIDER IS PART OF WHO WE ARE IN NATIONAL CITY, PART OF OUR, UM, IDENTITY. BUT HOW CAN LOW WRITERS WORK WITH OUR POLICE AND WORK WITH, UH, SCHOOLS AND OUR COMMUNITY ON REACHING OUT TO, TO YOUTH? AND ULTIMATELY WE REALLY SEE THAT AS LONG-TERM CRIME PREVENTION, BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT CAME INTO THE CONFERENCE, WHAT WE DISCUSSED IS HOW YOUTH ARE BEING CHALLENGED WITH FENTANYL, WITH, UM, JUST NOT, SOME OF THEM, UH, NEGLECT AT HOME, THEIR PARENTS WORKING TWO JOBS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO, TO REALLY KEEP AN EYE ON THEM. YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN SOME DISTURBING INCIDENCES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS REALLY ABOUT. WE HAVE SOME, UH, MORE, UM, POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT, THAT WE WANT TO, UM, UH, BRING BACK IN THE, IN THE CPRC AND WORKING WITH OUR, OUR CHIEF. BUT IT WAS, IT WAS A GREAT, UH, GREAT CONFERENCE AND, AND I HOPE TO SEE A LOT OF NEW, UM, INITIATIVES COME, UH, COME FROM THAT. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, JUST TO ADD TO THE SWEETWATER, UM, WE HAVE THE, UH, PROGRAM, THE LOW INCOME CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, UM, THAT WILL BE, UH, LAUNCHED, UM, TO OUR RATE PAYERS HERE IN NATIONAL CITY IN THE SOUTH BAY. UM, GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MIC. THEY CAN HEAR YOU. HELLO. UM, SO DID YOU HEAR ME? YEAH. HELLO? YEP. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? UM, SO THAT'S THE SWEETWATER AUTHORITY CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT WILL BE LAUNCHED, UM, TO OUR RATE PAYERS HERE IN NATIONAL CITY AND IN THE SOUTH BAY. UM, THERE'S STILL STUDY ON THE BUDGET MAYORS, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO THAT. UM, IN THE MEANTIME, UM, THAT'S FOR SWEETWATER, FOR SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY. UM, ALSO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING, UM, UM, AS A BOARD IS TO LOOK INTO, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR, THEY ARE PROPOSING SOME, UM, PROJECTS TO BE DE DE DEFERRED, UM, INFRAS INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS TO BE DEFERRED. AND, UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT NEXT WEEK IS OUR FINAL MEETING FOR THE BUDGET. UM, I BELIEVE THAT WE SEE THAT ACROSS THE BOARD, UM, CUTTING ON, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AND SOME OTHER, UM, CUTS THAT, UM, THAT WE HAVE TO DO. AND WE HAVE TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DIFFICULT DECISIONS IN ORDER FOR OUR ORGANIZATIONS TO, UM, TO, UM, WORK, UM, METRO, UM, JPA MY MEETING IS, UH, NEXT WEEK, MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, A COUPLE OF QUICK ONES ON, UM, REGIONAL SOLID WASTE ASSOCIATION. HAVE A MEETING THIS NEXT WEEK AS WE LOOK AT OUR TWO YEAR BUDGET. UH, THERE'S A SUB, I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE GROUP, SO WE'LL HAVE BE HAVING A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT'S PUTTING TOGETHER OUR TWO YEAR BUDGET AS WE CONTINUE TO, UM, WE'RE KIND OF A STRANGE GROUP AND THAT WE ACTUALLY MAKE MONEY, SO WE GIVE IT BACK TO THE CITIES THAT ARE PART OF OUR ORGANIZATION. AND, UH, SO IT'S NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. UH, AND I DO BELIEVE WE JUST SENT OUT A, AN EMAIL TO OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT BECOMES COMING UP ON OUR NEXT AGENDA. WE HAVE TO REPORT BACK WHAT WE DO WITH THAT MONEY, UH, WHAT [01:10:01] THE CITIES DO WITH THAT MONEY. 'CAUSE AS SAY, IT'S KIND OF EARMARKED. AND, AND SO THE, UH, UM, AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THE NUMBER WAS CLOSE TO, IT WAS WELL OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THIS YEAR ALONE THAT WE GAVE BACK TO NATIONAL CITY. AND, UH, UM, SO AS I SAY, WE DO THAT WITH EACH ONE OF OUR MEMBER CITIES. SO THAT ONE, UH, THAT'S COMING UP. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A, A MEETING AT THE END OF THE MONTH, THE END OF JUNE, UH, THE BOARD MEETING ITSELF TO, TO, UH, ADOPT THOSE BUDGETS WITH, UH, SWEETWATER AUTHORITY. UH, YEAH, WE ARE GOING THROUGH BUDGET RIGHT NOW. WE ARE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF PROJECTS. I KNOW TOMORROW WE HAVE A DEAL ON OUR LEGISLATIVE POLICIES LOOKING AT THAT. UM, AND WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA BE, I THINK, CONTROVERSIAL THAT WE NEED TO, THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DEAL WITH BOTH IN, IN CONTEXT OF WHAT THEY ARE AND THEN ALSO HOW THEY AFFECT BUDGET. ONE OF IT IS THEIR BOARDROOM, LIKE THIS BOARDROOM HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A MOVEMENT TO CHANGE THE BOARDROOM AND IT COULD GET VERY EXPENSIVE. AND SO, UH, IF, AND SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW, HOW WE LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND WHAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE DONE AND WHAT THE COST WILL BE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS DAY OF, OF RISING RATES. UM, THE OTHER ONE IS A SOLAR PROJECT, WHICH WE'RE ALL FOR SOLAR, BUT IT'S A SOLAR PROJECT TO BE SITTING ON THE WATER OF SWEETWATER RESERVOIR OR OUR DRINKING RESERVOIR. AND SO THESE WOULD BE SOLAR PANELS THAT WOULD BE SITTING ON THE WATER AND THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE ANYWHERE. THEY HAVE THEM SITTING ON WATER OF SEWER TREATMENT PLANTS, BUT NOT ON DRINKING WATER RESERVOIRS. SO THAT ONE IS GONNA BE HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND IT WOULD LOWER THE RATE BECAUSE RIGHT THERE IS WHERE WE ALSO HAVE OUR BIG TREATMENT PLANT. SO IT WOULD LOWER OUR ELECTRIC RATES FOR THE TREATMENT PLANT. BUT OF COURSE THERE'S GONNA BE PROBABLY SOME HEAVY ENVIRONMENTAL MITIGATION. THERE'S GONNA BE HEAVY COST UP FRONT. AND THEN ALSO WHAT ARE THE DANGERS, UH, AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE BEING THE GUINEA PIG AND NO ONE ELSE HAS DONE THIS. SO THOSE WILL, UH, THOSE WILL BE LOOKING, THOSE WILL HAVE TO BE WEIGHED BACK AND FORTH. SO THAT'S A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH THEM. UM, WITH THAT, I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ON THOSE. UM, I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING ELSE. SO WITH THAT, [9.CONSENT CALENDAR] WE HAVE OUR CONSENT CALENDARS. THESE ARE ITEMS, UH, NINE, ONE THROUGH NINE EIGHT. AND I DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON ANYTHING ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS. UH, SO UNLESS ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL WANTS TO PULL SOMETHING, I WANNA PULL 9.3, MAYOR, 9.9 0.5, 9.6, AND 9.8. OH BOY. OKAY. UH, AND YOU SAID NINE EIGHT? YES. OKAY. SO 9 3 9 5 9 6 9 8. YES MA'AM. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS THAT ANYONE WANTS TO PULL IN THAT CASE? I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE. 9 1 9 2 9 4 AND NINE SEVEN. MOVE TO APPROVE. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND DID YOU GUYS, SORRY. OKAY. WITH A SECOND PUT IN THERE. SORRY, SORRY, SORRY. WELL, ACTUALLY I MADE THE MOTION, BUT THERE WE GO. I'LL, I'LL, I'LL REDO IT. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA REDO IT THERE. OKAY. THERE GOES THE MOTION. ARE YOU PUSHING IT TOO? HUH? ARE YOU PUSHING IT TO COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH? THERE YOU GO. THERE IT IS. THERE YOU GO. NOW WE HAVE A SECOND. OKAY. THERE IS THE MOTION AND THE SECOND WE GOT HER DOWN. ALRIGHT. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED. OKAY, THAT'S THOSE ITEMS. NEXT THING, UH, IS 9.3. [9.3 Project Close-Out and Notice of Completion for Five-Construction Projects.] THIS IS A PROJECT CLOSEOUT AND NOTICE OF COMPLETION ON FIVE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. AND SO, THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE PULL THIS BECAUSE IT'S A CLOSE OUT OF A PROJECT THAT WE, WE STARTED, I WANTED OUR CONSTITUENTS TO KNOW THAT WE, WE, UH, STARTED A PROJECT AND NOW WE COMPLETED IT. IT'S NOT HIDDEN IN THE CONSENT. MR. CITY ENGINEER. THANK YOU. WAS THAT IT? YES. NO, NO QUESTION OR ANYTHING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO CAN WE HAVE A MOTION FOR 9.3? SO MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND. OKAY. SO THESE ARE THE CLOSE OUT OF FIVE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WERE ONGOING AND NOW HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE MOTION. SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED NOW, UH, 9.5, [9.5 July 4th Carnival Expenses] WHICH IS THE JULY 4TH CARNIVAL EXPENSES. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. UM, JULY 4TH CARNIVAL, THIS IS COMING UP. IT'S A PROJECT OF THE LIONS AND, UM, UM, THEY'VE BEEN, UM, UM, THEY'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THEY'VE BEEN CRYING THAT THE CITY'S NOT HELPING THEM, UM, WITH THIS, UM, COMMUNITY EVENT THAT THEY'RE [01:15:01] PUTTING UP IN OUR, IN OUR CITY. AND WE UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY PUT A LOT OF WORK TIME, EFFORT, BLOOD, SWEAT, AND TEARS. AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT MAYOR THAT THIS YEAR WITH THE HELP OF THE CITY MANAGER AND HIS AND HIS, UH, LEADERSHIP WITH STAFF WERE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS 2024, UM, JULY 4TH CARNIVAL EXPENSES. SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. SO THEN THEY STOPPED CRYING. OKAY. AND I SO MOVE TO APPROVE THIS. MAYOR. ALRIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND. OKAY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT. MAYOR, GO AHEAD AND I WILL DO THIS. UH, THANK YOU FOR PULLING THE ITEM. UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, IT'S NOT INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE FOR OUR CITY, BUT OUR COMMUNITY CARES ABOUT OUR, UM, FESTIVAL EVERY SINGLE YEAR. UH, THEY LOVE IT. THEY, THEY ENJOY THE, UM, FIREWORKS. AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD A TON OF COMPLAINTS 'CAUSE THEY DON'T OCCUR ON THE FOURTH. THEY OCCUR ON SATURDAY. BUT, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY I'M GLAD IS STEPPING UP. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, VICE MAYOR YAMANI. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH. CITY MANAGER. IN THE PAST WE HAVE NOT HAD THIS KIND OF SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LIONS, SO THANK YOU. THIS IS WHERE WE HOLD OUR MISS. NATIONAL CITY. MM-HMM. , RIGHT. AND, UH, SUPERVISORS THERE, ELIANA. AND ALSO OUR FIREWORKS IS GONNA BE THROUGH THE, THE, UH, LEADERSHIP OF MR. BRIAN CLAPPER, WHO'S STILL HERE. THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR SERVICE. MM-HMM. , UM, AND MEMBERS OF THE LIONS CLUB WHO ARE HERE HELPING HIM WILL BE ON JULY 6TH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. OKAY. LET ME JUST SAY THAT, UH, IN THE PAST WE HAVE PROVIDED MONEY TOWARD THIS. UH, BUT WHAT WE DO IS WE PAY FOR HALF THE FIREWORKS AND THEN THE LIONS CLUB HAS PAID FOR THE OTHER HALF. AND THEN OF COURSE THEY TOOK ON THE, UH, NATIONAL CITY, UH, MISS NATIONAL CITY PAGEANT THING IN THIS CASE. UH, AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO SEE A BREAKDOWN 'CAUSE IT REALLY WASN'T A GOOD BREAK BREAKDOWN ON HOW MUCH MONEY IS ACTUALLY GOING, UH, THIS YEAR TO PAY ENTIRELY FOR THE FIREWORKS AND THEN ALSO TAKING CARE OF THE NATIONAL CITY PAGEANT AND QUOTE UNQUOTE, OTHER EXPENSES. BUT WE PROBABLY NEED TO SEE THAT BREAKDOWN, UH, TO SEE WHAT IT IS. AND HOPEFULLY THIS, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME ROUGH TIMES BECAUSE OF COVID, UH, AND THAT CAUSED THEM TO LOSE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY ACTUALLY, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS, THINGS WERE CANCELED. BUT THE CONTRACT SAID THAT IF YOU CANCEL, YOU LOSE YOUR, YOUR DEPOSIT, YOU LOSE YOUR MONIES. AND SO THAT HAS PUT A, A DAMPER, BUT HOPEFULLY THIS YEAR THIS WILL ALLOW THEM TO BUILD THEIR RESERVES BACK UP AND SO THAT, UM, UH, THEY CAN HANDLE MUCH MORE OF THIS THEMSELF IN THE FUTURE. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND, UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED. ALRIGHT, SO NEXT [9.6 List of Projects that will Receive Funding from the Road Maintenance and RehabilitationAccount through the Local Streets and Roads Funding Program as Required by Senate Bill1.] WE GO ON TO 9.6 IS THE LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WILL RECEIVE FUNDING FROM THE ROAD MAINTENANCE AND REHABILITATION ACCOUNT THROUGH THE LOCAL STREETS AND ROADS FUNDING PROGRAM AS REQUIRED BY SENATE BILL ONE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I PULLED THIS BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE OUR CONSTITUENTS TO KNOW THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE AND THAT ARE GONNA BE, UM, UH, UM, STARTED, COMPLETED, AND FINISHED. UM, WE JUST DON'T WANNA SWEEP IT THERE IN A CONSENT. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IT. AND THANK YOU MR. CITY ENGINEER FOR MAKING SURE THAT THESE PROJECTS ARE FUNDED. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND I SO MOVE. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION SOON AS SHE PUSHES MOTION THERE. AND WE HAVE A SECOND. OKAY. LET ME JUST SAY THAT, UH, THIS IS ONE THAT'S ALWAYS, UM, DIFFICULT. CAN WE PUT OUT, UH, THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN NUMBER OF STREETS WE CAN DO AT A TIME AND IT'S NORMALLY BETTER TO TRY TO GROUP 'EM TOGETHER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND NOT JUST DO ONE OVER HERE AND ONE OVER HERE, ONE OVER HERE, ONE OVER HERE. UH, IT'S MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO IT THAT WAY AND YOU DON'T GET AS GOOD A JOB DONE. UM, SO THEY'VE TRIED TO DO, PICK OUT SOME DIFFERENT AREAS, UM, THAT NEED TO BE DONE. DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE SAYING THE OTHER STREETS ARE OKAY? NO, THERE'S OTHER STREETS TO BE DONE. WE'VE ONLY, WE'RE GONNA USE ALL THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US TO DO AS MANY AS WE CAN THIS YEAR. TRY TO GET OURSELF BACK CAUGHT UP. AND, UM, WE WENT THROUGH A PERIOD WHERE WE DID A, UH, DID A, I THINK A FANTASTIC JOB OF GETTING ALL OF OUR STREETS DONE. I WAS SO PROUD OF OUR STREETS COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES. AND THEN WE KIND OF SAID, OKAY, THEY'RE IN GOOD SHAPE, SO LET'S, WE CAN START SLACKING OFF. WE USE MONEY FOR OTHER THINGS. AND YOU, YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH ROADS. AND SO NOW WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE, DO SOME CATCH UP AND, UH, SO, UH, ANYWAY, SO WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK AND I KNOW THE FLACK YOU'RE GONNA TAKE BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA DO A STREET AND SOMEONE'S GONNA SAY, BUT WHY AREN'T YOU DOING MY STREET? AND WE JUST CAN'T DO 'EM ALL IN ALL AT THE SAME TIME. BUT WE WILL, WE WILL BE GETTING AROUND. [01:20:01] OKAY. IT MAY TAKE US A COUPLE YEARS WITH THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND MAY I, FOR THE RECORD, A WRITTEN COMMENT WAS RECEIVED FROM TED GOSCH ON THIS. THAT'S RIGHT. AND HE WAS WANTING, HE WAS WANTING SOME STREETS OVER IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE DONE. YES. AND, UH, SO YEAH. AND WE'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE ON STREETS THAT THEY WANT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT, THAT HAPPENS EVERY, EVERY TIME. AND I'D LIKE THE ONE DONE IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE TOO, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. OKAY. BUT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING THERE, BUT WE ARE DOING STUFF. AND, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, MAP, IT'S SOME PRETTY SIZABLE AREAS ALSO, BUT TRYING TO CONCENTRATE 'EM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH THAT. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED. OKAY, NEXT [9.8 Investment Report for the Quarter Ended March 31, 2024.] WE GO TO, UH, NINE EIGHT. THIS IS THE INVESTMENT REPORT FOR THE QUARTER, ENTERING MARCH 31ST, MR. MAYOR, ANOTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO HIGHLIGHT IS THE INVESTMENT OF OUR CITY. SO OUR CONSTITUENTS WOULD KNOW, UM, WHAT IS AND WHAT IT IS, UM, WHERE IS IT? AND, UH, WHERE'S GOING? UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT NEEDS TO BE, UH, PRESENTED PROPERLY AND NOT HIDDEN IN THAT CONSENT. THANK YOU. I MOVE TO APPROVE. OKAY. AND, UM, OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. CAN WE GET A SECOND ON THAT? SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, PLEASE VOTE. UH, MOTION APPROVES. UH, WE HAVE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA IS JUST JOINING US. DID, DID HE GRADUATE? YES. OKAY. HER SON, HER SON GRADUATED. , WE WERE ALL, WE, WE WERE ON PINS AND NEEDLES. HE GRADUATED. ALRIGHT. OH, HE DID? WELL, IT'S TECHNICALLY A PROMOTION. HE WENT, HE'S, UM, FROM EIGHTH GRADE. YEAH. HE, HE'LL BE NINTH GRADER AT SWEETWATER NEXT, NEXT YEAR, SO, ALRIGHT. AND, UH, GRADUATED FROM THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, SO THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE JUST, WE JUST FINISHED OFF CONSENT CALENDAR, GETTING INTO WHAT I WOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER MORE THE MEAT NOW. THEN, UM, [10.1 Zoning Map Amendment to Implement the Focused General Plan Update.] WITH THAT WE WILL, WE GO INTO OUR, OUR CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING. AND I KNOW YOU JUST GOT HERE, BUT I THINK YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY. YES, MAYOR, I, I JUST, UM, REALIZED I WALKED IN RIGHT WHEN WE ARE GOING INTO THE DISCUSSION ON ZONING AND, UM, I AM ADVISED BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY THAT I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS ITEM. UM, AND SO I'LL BE STEPPING OUT INTO THE NEXT ROOM. OKAY. I KNOW. AND THEN YOU CAN CALL ME BACK IN . WELL, THAT LOT IS NO LONGER IN CONSIDERATION. A LOT, LOT THAT'S NEAR HER HOUSE. THAT WAS WHAT THE IT'S THE AREA. OKAY. IN THE AREA. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO I, I WILL STEP OUT THEN. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SHE'S JUST GOT HERE AND WE'RE KICKING HER AROUND ALREADY. PERFECT TIMING. WAIT, A WHITE ISN'T ONE CONSIDERATION. ALRIGHT. AND, UH, SO WITH THAT, UM, THIS IS THE PLACE AND THE TIME FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND WE JUST GOT SOME MORE. GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT I, THIS IS ALL FOR THIS ONE. ONE MOMENT. MAKE SURE I KEEP THOSE STRAIGHT. OKAY. THIS IS, UH, THOSE PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING ANY ITEM OF TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA MUST FILL OFF THE SPEAKER'S FORM FORMS ARE AVAILABLE AND PLEASE CLEARLY INDICATE THE NUMBER AND LETTER OF THE ITEM THAT IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. AND IT SHOULD BE GIVEN OVER TO THE CLERK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I GUESS WHO WOULD SAY WE ARE ENTERING INTO THE, UH, UH, PUBLIC HEARING PORTION WITH THAT. UM, OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, 10.1, WHICH IS A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO IMPLEMENT THE, UH, FOCUS GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. AND I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO STAFF. THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL STAFF, AND THE PUBLIC MARTIN READER, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. UH, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE FINAL STEP IN WHAT HAS BEEN ALMOST A FOUR YEAR PROCESS OF UPDATING OUR, OUR GENERAL PLAN. AND, UH, THIS WILL BE FOR THE ACTUAL ZONING MAP THAT WILL REPRESENT ALL OF THE, THE ZONES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. IT WILL ALSO CULMINATE IN THE, UM, IN A, WHAT'S THE WORD? YEAH, WHAT'S ? YEAH, SORRY. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY INTERACTIVE ZONING MAP THAT WILL BE ON OUR WEBSITE THAT WILL ALLOW [01:25:01] THE COMMUNITY, UH, MORE OPPORTUNITY TO RESEARCH THEIR PROPERTIES AND TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO. SO, UH, WITH US TONIGHT, WE HAVE TARA LAKE WITH WSP, OUR CONSULTANT THAT WILL BE GOING THROUGH THE CHANGES. SO THERE ARE SOME CHANGES TO VARIOUS PORTIONS OF THE CITY, WHICH WE'LL EXPLAIN BIT BY BIT. AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE REPORT. THANK YOU, TARA. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, SO YES, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A WHILE, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT AND, UH, SO WE'RE EXCITED TO, TO BE AT THIS POINT TODAY, IN FRONT OF YOU HERE TONIGHT. UM, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THIS EVENING IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, A REFRESHER ON THE PREVIOUS HEARINGS AND, AND, AND, UH, WHAT YOU ADOPTED. UH, OVERVIEW OF GENERAL PLANS, AND THEN GO DIVE INTO THE ZONING CHANGES AND TALK ABOUT THE GROWTH PROJECTIONS. SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING IS TO INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE BY FIRST READING, ENTITLED AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY, ADOPTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY ZONING MAP TO IMPLEMENT THE FOCUS GENERAL PLAN UPDATE. SO BACK ON MARCH 19TH, THERE WAS, UH, SEVERAL ACTIONS THAT WERE TAKEN, UH, THE CERTIFICATION OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT ADOPTING THE FINDINGS OF THE FACT, UH, STATEMENT AND OVERRIDING CONSIDERATIONS AND THE MITIGATION, UH, MONITORING AND REPORTING PROGRAM. UH, THE ADOPTED, UH, OR YOU ADOPTED THE FOCUS GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, AND THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. UH, THE MUNICIPAL CODE AMENDMENTS WERE ADOPTED AS WELL AS THE WEST SIDE SPECIFIC PLAN AND THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN AMENDMENTS. UM, AND THEN LASTLY, ALSO, THE BICYCLE MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED. AND SO GENERAL PLANS, JUST SO A REFRESHER, ARE THE BLUEPRINT FOR THE LONG TERM FUTURE OF NATIONAL CITY. UM, IT EXPRESSES A COMMUNITY'S DEVELOPMENT GOALS AND EMBODIES THE PUBLIC POLICY TO THE FUTURE DISTRIBUTION OF LAND USE. UM, IT PROMOTES BETTER PROJECTS, STREAMLINED PROCESSES, INTEGRATED PLANNING AND IMPROVES ACCESS, UM, AND USE OF AVAILABLE RESOURCES. AND THEN LASTLY, IT IS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. SO THIS UPDATE INCLUDED THE HOUSING ELEMENT, THE LAND USE TRANSPORTATION SAFETY ELEMENTS, AS WELL AS THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, THE HOUSE NATIONAL CITY PLAN, THE WEST SIDE AND DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN AMENDMENTS, BICYCLE MASTER PLAN, OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, AND ALSO UPDATES TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE. AND SO DURING THE PROCESS, WHICH WAS STARTED IN 2020, UM, A PROJECT WEBSITE, UH, HAS BEEN LIVE ALL THIS TIME WITH ALL THE MATERIALS. UM, AN ONLINE SURVEY WAS CONDUCTED. WE STARTED THIS WHEN WE WERE IN THE PANDEMIC. AND SO WE HAD TO DO A LOT OF THINGS VIRTUAL. SO WE HELD SEVEN WEBINARS. WE ALSO CONDUCTED TELEPHONE OFFICE HOURS. WE CREATED AN INTERACTIVE MAP TO SEEK FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THAT, UH, TOOL. WE ALSO HELD STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS AND THEN ALSO PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL BRIEFINGS. AND LASTLY, HELD, UH, WORKSHOPS AND HEARINGS. AND SO IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT, AS I JUST KINDA WENT OVER THE, THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE AS LONG AS THE EIR, THIS IS THE WHOLE PACKAGE, UM, THAT THE REZONING IMPLEMENTS THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UM, AS WELL AS THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN. SO WE STARTED WITH AN EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS AND THEN RECEIVED THE COMMUNITY INPUT THROUGH THOSE DIFFERENT MECHANISMS THAT I JUST MENTIONED, UM, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. AND THEN WITH THAT WE DEVELOPED LAND USE GOALS AND POLICIES. UM, WE ALSO UPDATED THE HOUSING ELEMENTS. SO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS THE SITE INVENTORY WERE ALSO, UH, FACTORED INTO THIS REZONING PROCESS. UM, AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER PLANNING DOCUMENTS THAT, UM, NATIONAL CITY HAS DONE OVER THE, THE MORE RECENT YEARS. UM, AND THEN FINALLY THERE'S THE, UH, CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT REVIEW. AND SO WHY, WHY THE ZONING CHANGES, UM, TO CREATE AN INTEGRATED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO DEVELOP 10 MINUTE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT KIND CAME OUT OF YOUR INTERCONNECT, UH, PLAN THAT NATIONAL CITY DID, HELPED TO MEET THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND OTHER SUSTAINABILITY GOALS. IT HELPS TO INCREASE YOUR HOUSING, UM, IN AREAS THAT HAVE ACCESS TO TRANSIT AND TO RESOURCES. IT'S ASSIST IN ADDING HOUSING UNITS, UH, TO MEET HOUSING RELATED NEEDS. ENCOURAGES THE DEVELOPMENT OF A DIVERSE HOUSING STOCK. IT ENCOURAGES AND FACILITATES THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW HOUSING CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S ARENA ALLOCATION. UM, AND THEN LASTLY, YOU KNOW, CREATES OPPORTUNITIES FOR INFILL AND TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. [01:30:03] SO THIS IS THE ZONING MAP. AND AS, UH, MARTIN SAID EARLIER, NOT ONLY WILL IT BE A PAPER MAP, BUT ALSO AN INTERACTIVE MAP WHERE YOU CAN CLICK ON AND, AND FIND INFORMATION OR LINK YOU TO THE RIGHT PLACES IN THE, IN THE ZONING CODE OR OVERLAY ZONE SPECIFIC PLANS, HOUSING ELEMENT, ET CETERA. AND WE WILL, AFTER THIS SLIDE, WE'LL DIVE DEEPER INTO THE ZONING. 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT ON THAT BIG MAP ON THIS, UM, FORMAT HERE. UM, I JUST WANNA GO OVER, UH, THE GROWTH PROJECTIONS, UM, AND TO, TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT, I GUESS, UM, MORE SUCCINCTLY, IF WE LOOK AT THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHEN WE UNDERWENT THIS PROCESS OF DWELLING UNITS OF AROUND 18,000, UM, THE TOTAL BUILD OUT OF 2050 WITH YOUR PREVIOUS GENERAL PLAN WOULD'VE BEEN AROUND 2020 3000 WITH THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE THAT YOU JUST ADOPTED. THE 2050 BUILD OUT, UM, IS 23,325. AND I'LL GET TO IN A MINUTE TOO, OF HOW, UH, THAT BUILD OUT IS ASSUMED. UM, SO THE DELTA, WHICH IS THAT FAR RIGHT NUMBER AT THE TOP, IS SHOWING ABOUT 595. SO LET'S SAY ROUNDED UP TO 600. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KINDA WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 600 UNITS OVER THE COURSE OF MANY, MANY YEARS. THIS IS THE 2050. ALSO, THIS ZONING DOES ALLOW THAT HOUSE, NATIONAL CITY PROGRAM TO, TO BE USED IN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE GETTING ZONED, UH, TO MULTIFAMILY. SO HOW THOSE, UM, ASSUMPTIONS WERE MADE. WE USE, UM, WHAT'S CALLED AN ASSESSED VALUE RATIO. UM, THAT'S USED TO DETERMINE WHICH PARCELS ARE MORE LIKELY TO REDEVELOP. UM, THAT'S THE ASSESSED BUILDING VALUE COMPARED TO THE LAND VALUE. SO THAT'S BUILDING VALUE DIVIDED BY LAND VALUE. SO THE LAND VALUE'S GREATER THAN THE BUILDING VALUE, IT WILL HAVE A LOWER A VR AND THEREFORE WE'RE LIKELY TO REDEVELOP. SO THE PARCEL ZONED, UH, FOR RESIDENTIAL USES WITH AN A VR OF LESS THAN ONE AND LESS THAN 0.75 FOR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL WERE ASSUMED TO BE REDEVELOPED. AND THEN THAT VACANT LAND AS WELL AS, UM, REDEVELOPMENT SITES WERE ASSUMED TO BUILD OUT AT 75% CAPACITY. SO THAT NUMBER OF ABOUT 600 UNITS, IT'S LOOKING AT SITES THAT ARE EITHER VACANT OR HAVE LESS THAN ONE OF FOR THE A VR NUMBER. AND, UM, AND THEN OF THOSE 75%, SO GOING INTO A MORE DETAIL HERE, UM, THIS SECTION HERE ON 18TH STREET, REZONING THAT TO MXT AS WELL AS THAT GREEN AREA OVER THERE WITH THE, THE BLACK LINE AROUND IT, UM, TO OPEN SPACE. THIS, UH, DENSITY WOULD BE 24, UH, DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, UH, WITH FOUR STORIES ALLOWED. FOUR STREET. AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE PARCELS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN BLACK REZONING TO A, UH, MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL RM, ONE WITH A 23 DWELLING EWELL ACRE PER DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE, SORRY, UM, WITH A HEIGHT OF FOUR STORIES. AND THEN D AVENUE, AGAIN, IT'S THOSE PARCELS OUTLINED IN BLACK. UM, SO ALSO RM ONE ZONE 23 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE OF FOUR STORIES. AND THEN NEAR THE HOSPITAL, THE, THE PARCELS THERE IN BLACK, AGAIN, OUTLINED IN BLACK, UH, REZONING TO A MINOR MIXED USE CORRIDOR, MX C ONE WITH A DENSITY OF 48 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. AND A HEIGHT OF THREE STORIES. AND THEN, UH, THESE TWO AREAS HERE, UH, AROUND 16TH STREET, IT'S UH, A MIXED USE OVERLAY. SO THAT WILL ALLOW HOUSING WITH A DENSITY OF 24 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THE HEIGHT OF FIVE STORIES. AND THEN NEAR THE TRANSIT AREA, REZONING THAT TO MCR ONE WITH A DENSITY OF 24 TO 60 DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE, THE HEIGHT OF THREE STORIES. AND SO THAT CONCLUDES A PRESENTATION AGAIN, UP ON THE SCREEN IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. AND WE'RE HERE FOR ANY, UH, QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. THANK YOU. UH, THIS IS GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING. UM, SO IF WE HAVE ANY CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS ON THE PRESENTATION RIGHT NOW, UH, WE'LL TAKE THOSE. UH, OTHERWISE WE'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC. UM, I DO HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK JUST CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS ON ONE OF THE ONES THAT YOU WERE JUST SHOWING THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ON PAGE, [01:35:01] LET'S SEE, DOES IT HAVE A PAGE NUMBER ON THAT ONE? IT'S THE, UH, 18TH STREET PLAN. LET'S SEE A PAGE NUMBER ON THAT ONE. ON YOUR SLIDES. WHAT? YEAH. OKAY. IT SAYS FIVE 15 ON HERE, BUT THESE OTHER ONES HAVE SLIDE NUMBERS. THAT ONE DIDN'T HAVE A SLIDE NUMBER. OKAY. THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, DOWN THERE WHERE YOU HAVE THAT RED BOX, THAT'S WEST AVENUE GOING ACROSS THERE. SO ALL THAT DIAGONAL THAT YOU HAVE THERE, YOU SAY THAT'S OPEN SPACE? IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? WHICH STEIN? NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE OPEN SPACE REFERENCE WAS TO THE GREEN, UH, RECTANGLE OVER BY THE LEGEND. THAT'S OVER BY, OKAY, SO BY STEIN FARM. SO WHAT IS ALL THAT, WHAT IS ALL THAT DIAGONAL, UH, WHAT LINES? OH, THAT'S THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN UP NORTH. THAT'S JUST, IT'S A, IT'S SHOWN AS AN OVERLAY FOR, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE SHOW IT ON THE ZONING MAP. THAT MAKES NOW, OKAY, I WAS WONDERING WHY IT WENT ACROSS NASHVILLE CITY BOULEVARD. OKAY. . UH, AND THEN ON SLIDE 11 SLIDE, WE CAN GET TO THAT ONE. UH, LET ME SEE WHAT ONE THAT IS. IT'S THE ONE ON GROWTH PROJECTIONS. OH, OKAY. THERE. IT'S, OOPS, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. THAT ONE, YES. UH, SO YOU'VE GOT DWELLING UNITS, UH, AND YOU'VE GOT THE DELTA AT, UH, ON CHANGE BASICALLY 4,550 UNITS BASED ON, WE RIGHT NOW HAVE A LITTLE OVER 18,000 UNITS, UM, THAT STILL WILL NOT MEET OUR ARENA NUMBERS, WILL IT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. BECAUSE OUR ARENA NUMBERS, I THINK ARE ABOUT 5,300 AND SOMETHING. MAY I DO YOU, OH, GO AHEAD. OH, SORRY. WE WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, YOU HAVE THE 4,550 UNDER CURRENT SCENARIO, AND THEN IF THE CHANGES ARE MADE, UH, BASED ON WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, ANOTHER 600, WHICH WOULD GET US HERE'S CLOSE A LOT CLOSER. A LITTLE CLOSE TO IT. OKAY. AND, BUT NOW THAT IS, THAT IS A 2050 BUILD OUT AND THE ARENA NUMBERS IS ONLY FOR THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS. SO YEAH. AND I'LL SAY BY LAW, YOU HAVE ENOUGH ZONING TO GET TO YOUR ARENA NUMBERS. THIS IS JUST A, IN THE GENERAL PLAN, TYPICAL WAY OF TRYING TO PROJECT GROWTH. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THE 75%, ALL THAT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT A HUNDRED PERCENT, OKAY. THE ONLY REASON I'M SAYING THAT, BECAUSE OUR, OUR HOUSING EXPERTS THAT ARE IN THE LEGISLATURE NOW, I'M BEING SARCASTIC. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT WANTING TO MAKE THOSE JUST PLANNING, UH, DOCUMENTS THEY WANT, THEY WANNA SEE 'EM ACTUALLY BUILT AS IF CITIES BUILD THESE THINGS. SO, JUST, JUST A QUESTION ON THAT. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, SO THAT STILL WOULD NOT HIT, HIT OUR EIGHT YEAR ARENA NUMBERS. UH, 'CAUSE YOU WOULDN'T QUITE MAKE IT EVEN BY THE, THE, UH, 2050. OKAY. JUST ON THAT. I GOT OTHER THINGS FOR LATER, BUT RIGHT NOW, IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS CLARIFICATION, YOU GOT A CLARIFICATION QUESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, I DO HAVE A CLARIFICATION. NOT ON SPECIFIC, BY THE WAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. WE'RE FINALLY AT THE TAIL END OF THIS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STAFF, UH, TO GET US TO THIS POINT. UH, JUST A CLARIFICATION. SO, UM, HOW ARE WE PLANNING ON OUR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO PREPARE FOR THE ADDITIONAL, UM, DENSITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO INEVITABLY RECEIVE? AND, AND ARE WE THINKING OF QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO LIVE THERE AND THE ONES THAT LIVE THERE NOW? AND HOW ARE WE PLANNING GOING FORWARD? IT WAS JUST A BROAD QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY. AND, AND, AND IF THERE'S NO SPECIFIC PLAN, THAT'S OKAY. I THINK, I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT FOR US TO THINK IT THROUGH. AND IF WE ARE GOING TO CREATE A LOT OF DENSITY IN PLACES WHERE WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NOW, HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THAT OUR PUBLIC WORKS, UH, PROJECTS KEEP UP WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? YES. STEVE GANELLE, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS. UH, GOOD QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER. SO AS WE GO THROUGH OUR MASTER PLANNING, UH, PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS ON CONSENT TONIGHT WAS OUR SEWER SYSTEM MASTER PLAN. WE DO TAKE IN, WE, WE DO RUN CALCULATIONS, UH, BASED ON THESE, UM, ANY CHANGES WE HAVE TO LAND USE OR ZONING, AND THEN, UH, DENSITY TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PRIORITIZE NECESSARY UPGRADES TO OUR, OUR SEWER SYSTEM AS AN EXAMPLE. UM, SO THAT WHEN THESE PROJECTS DO COME ONLINE, WE'RE ALREADY AHEAD OF THE GAME AS FAR AS, UM, PRIORITIZATION AND GETTING THOSE PROJECTS COMPLETE. SO THAT WOULD JUST BE ONE EXAMPLE. THANK YOU. UM, NO, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, WE DID DISCUSS THAT EARLIER TODAY AT THE BRIEF. THANK YOU SO MUCH. [01:40:01] UM, I'M THINKING OF ALSO VERY BASIC QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES. SO, UH, STREET SWEEPING AS AN EXAMPLE, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SCHEDULE FOR OUR STREET SWEEPING THAT GOES ACROSS OUR ENTIRE CITY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE, UM, SIGNS FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY MOVE THEIR CARS. UH, SO MANY OF THEM DON'T. AND AS A RESULT, A LOT OF OUR STREETS DON'T GET SWEPT. SO HOW DO WE, HOW ARE WE, HOW CAN WE BE PROACTIVE, UM, AS THESE PROJECTS ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE STREETS ARE SWEPT AND THOSE SIGNS ARE POSTED AND, AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE IN PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE GOING TO INEVITABLY GET DENSER. SO I'M THINKING OF THAT KIND OF BASIC RIGHT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THE STREETS ARE SWEPT, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE CLEAN, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME AMENITIES FOR PETS, UM, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FECES ALL AROUND THE SIDEWALKS, TRASH CANS. LIKE HOW ARE WE INCORPORATING LIKE A, A, A MORE COMPREHENSIVE DESIGN OF OUR DEVELOPMENT? WELL, A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, QUALITY OF LIFE WITH REGARD TO THE, THE BUILDINGS AND THE MASSING AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING. BUT AS WITH, WITH REGARD TO CITY SERVICES WITH THESE NEW UNITS, YOU KNOW, THEY COME BUILDING PERMITS COME, UH, IMPACT FEES THAT ARE PAID TO THE CITY TO PROVIDE FOR PUBLIC SERVICES. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WHEN WE GET MORE UNITS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO SPEND ON THINGS SUCH AS, UH, STREET SWEEPING, UPGRADING UTILITIES AND, AND, UH, PROVIDING PUBLIC SAFETY ACCESS TO PARKS IN THE LIBRARY AND SO FORTH. UH, ALSO WITH REGARD TO THE, THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS, RATHER THAN JUST HAVING, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF LARGE MASS MASSING UNITS, WE HAVE A LOT OF DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WE'VE INCORPORATED OBJECTIVE DESIGN GUIDELINES IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE THAT ARE INTENDED TO, UH, WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING GENTLE DENSITY TO BEGIN WITH, TO GO AHEAD AND, AND, AND MAKE THAT MORE, UH, MORE OF A TRANSITION BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, THE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE, AND THE DENSITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. NO, THANK YOU. YEAH. JUST TO ADD TO THAT, UH, THANK YOU MARTIN, CARLOS, GARY, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. I THINK, UM, IF YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES TO ALL OF THE AREAS THAT WERE TOUCHED BY THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UM, I THINK WE LOOK PRETTY. ONE MORE, ONE MORE, ONE MORE ANOTHER ONE. THERE, YOU KNOW, WE WENT, WE WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING. WE WENT FROM THE HOUSING ELEMENT, UH, LAND USE, AND, UH, JUST FOCUSING ON MAKING SURE THE DESIGN STANDARDS WERE THERE AND THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE WAS THERE TO COMPLIMENT THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING. I DON'T THINK THERE'S VERY MANY CITIES THAT ARE ON THEIR WAY TO MEETING THE ARENA NUMBERS, BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF THE GRANT FUNDS WE GET FOR CIP PROJECTS AND FOR HOUSING AND FOR OTHER THINGS AROUND THE CITY, INCLUDING GREENING AND TREE GRANTS, ET CETERA, WE REALLY NEED TO SHOW AND BE INDICATIVE OF, OF MOVING FORWARD THE NEEDLE ON ALL OF THESE AREAS OF QUALITY OF LIFE. SO WE, WE, WE FOCUS EVERYTHING AS A PACKAGE SO THAT WE'RE ATTRACTIVE FOR THAT TYPE OF GRANT INVESTMENT AND THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA ENHANCE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE ADDITIONAL DENSITIES. OH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I KNOW THAT, UH, WE HAVE A, A REALLY GOOD TEAM, AND I KNOW YOU ALL CONSTANTLY THINK ABOUT THIS AND, UM, SO, SO THANK YOU. I I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. AMONG THAT, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO MAYBE THINK OF UNDERGROUNDING, UM, OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UM, UH, OUR, OUR DENSEST PART OF THE CITY. UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR AT FOUR AND FIVE STORIES TO HAVE UTILITY POLES, UM, WITH ELECTRICAL WIRES RUNNING DOWN IS NOT JUST UNSIGHTLY. IT MIGHT BE DANGEROUS. AND SO I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT, AT THAT AS WE'RE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. THANK YOU. OKAY. I THINK, I THINK I WILL JUST PIGGYBACK ON THAT CONCERN WITH THE PROJECTION OF THE GROWTH PROJECTIONS THAT YOU ARE REPORTING HERE. I THINK OUR INFRASTRUCTURE SHOULD BE IN, UH, YOU KNOW, ABLE TO SERVE THE DENSITY THAT'S COMING INTO THE CITY. AND, AND I HOPE THIS DENSITY HAPPENS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO BE READY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO WE ARE THE DENTIST CITY IN THE COUNTY, AND THEY WANT US TO BECOME A WHOLE LOT DENSER. THANK YOU. STATE. OKAY. UM, WE WILL NOW GO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE, UH, THREE SPEAKERS SCHEDULED SO FAR. FIRST ONE IS, UH, UH, STEVEN OR STEPHAN GASPAR. GOOD EVENING. UH, THANK YOU MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, MY NAME IS STEVEN GASPAR. UH, I'M HERE REPRESENTING ER BUILDERS. UM, WE'RE A SMALL BUILDER HERE LOCATED IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY. MM-HMM. . UM, WE'VE BEEN, UM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPMENT PARTNER WITH THE CITY, NATIONAL CITY FOR, UH, OVER 12 YEARS NOW. UM, [01:45:01] WE'VE COMPLETED 13 PROJECTS RANGING FROM 10 UNITS TO OUR LARGEST, UH, THAT WE JUST RECENTLY, RECENTLY COMPLETED ON 31ST STREET, UM, MM-HMM, 92 UNITS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST BEFORE I CAN SHARE MY SUPPORT, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL CITY IS, IS, IS IS A GREAT PLACE TO WORK. UM, GREAT PLACE TO WORK WITH YOUR STAFF IS VERY SOLUTION ORIENTED. UM, MR. READER, MR. DREW, I SEE HERE IN, IN, IN THE CROWD, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE GREAT PEOPLE TO WORK WITH AS MANY AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS. SO ENCOURAGE YOU TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP ENCOURAGING THEM TO BE SOLUTION ORIENTED. 'CAUSE EVERY PROJECT HAS ITS CHALLENGE AND THEY WORK THROUGH IT WITH US, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL. UM, IT MAY SEEM INSIGNIFICANT, BUT IT IS, IT IS A BIG DEAL. UM, IT, WE'LL KEEP IT SHORT. OTHER THAN THAT, I JUST REALLY WANNA SHARE OUR SUPPORT FOR THIS UPDATE. UM, SPECIFICALLY IN THE EIGHTH STREET AREA. THAT AREA, UM, IS, IS HAS, UM, UH, THE FOCUS OF, OF MIXED USE IN SOME ALLOWING MULTI MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. UM, A LOT OF THE OTHER AREAS ARE FOR KINDA SOME OF THE, THE SMALLER PARCELS THAT, UM, LIKELY WON'T BE DEVELOPED. MM-HMM. , UM, AND THE H STREET AREA HAS, HAS THE POTENTIAL TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE SOME, SOME HOUSING IMPACT, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE JOB CENTER WE HAVE WITH PARADISE VALLEY HOSPITAL. UM, SO, UH, YEAH, JUST WANT TO SHARE OUR SUPPORT AND, UH, ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT IT AS WELL. THANK YOU. OKAY. I HEAR YOU HAVE A PROJECT OVER ON EIGHTH STREET, UH, COMING UP. YES. OH, THANK YOU. YEP. UH, WITH THAT WE HAVE ED NIETO. YES, I WAS, UM, I THINK, UH, THE PRESENTATION'S GREAT. YOU KNOW, CARLOS AND, UH, MARTIN DID A GREAT JOB. UH, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE HEARD THIS PRESENTATION. I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH THAT I WENT TO, UH, THE COUNCIL, UH, THE COMMUNITY MEETING, UH, AT LUCIUS AREA, AND THEY GAVE THE PRESENTATION, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO HAVE THE SAME PRESENTATION FOR YOUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. WHILE I WAS THERE, UH, I NOTICED THAT THE PEOPLE WERE, THERE WAS MORE RESIDENTS THERE AND THEY WERE SPEAKING UP ABOUT, UH, NOT THE PRESENTATION ITSELF, BUT THEIR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE AND ENGAGEMENT, UH, OF AWARENESS OF THE, OF THE ZONING THAT WOULD AFFECT THEIR AREAS. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A VALID CONSIDERATION. UH, AND I THOUGHT THAT ALSO THAT, UM, THE PLAN WAS GOOD. PEOPLE HAD THE SAME CONCERNS ABOUT ARE THEY GONNA PUT BIG BOXES WITH NO PARKING IN THESE HIGH DENSITY AREAS. KYLE MARTIN TALKED ABOUT THE THINGS THAT JOSE TALKED ABOUT. ANOTHER COMPLIMENT, JOSE, THAT IT'S GOOD QUALITY, YOU WANT GOOD QUALITY, UM, QUALITY OF LIFE AREAS AND, UH, MARTIN AND UH, AND, UH, CARLOS SUGGESTED THAT IT'S GONNA BE THAT WAY. MY QUESTION IS, THERE'S A LOT OF TRUST IN THAT STATEMENT. PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA WANNA SEE IT. YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE THE STANDARDS? YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S TO PREVENT SOMEBODY FROM JUST PUTTING A BIG BOX THERE AND YOU APPROVE THIS PLAN AND ALL OF A SUDDEN LATER, YOU KNOW, IT TURNS OUT NOT TO BE THE WAY IT IS. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THE CITIZENS' VIEWS IN THIS, NOT THAT WE'RE RESISTING IT, BUT ONLY TO EXPLAIN IT IN A LITTLE BETTER FASHION. ESPECIALLY IN THOSE HIGH DENSITY AREAS LIKE FOURTH STREET. YOU KNOW, EVEN THE PEOPLE ON THE SIDE WHO LIVE THERE, THEIR PARKING'S GONNA BE IMPACTED. ONE OF THE THINGS CARLOS SUGGESTED, IT WAS REALLY SPACE AGE. HE WAS EVEN TELLING US, THINK 50 YEARS FROM NOW, THERE'S CONSIDERATION SANDAG, THEY MIGHT EVEN PUT A UNDERGROUND, UM, UH, TROLLEY FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM FROM EIGHTH STREET ALL THE WAY TO SAN TO, UH, SDSU. THAT'S AMAZING. BUT HE WAS ALSO TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PA POSSIBLY PUTTING PERMITS. SO THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD PUT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA AT EASE IN ACCEPTING THIS. THAT'S ALL I WANNA SAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE, UH, CYNTHIA FULLER ES. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ALL MEETING ATTENDEES, UH, HERE TONIGHT. MY NAME IS CYNTHIA FULLER ES. I'M A NATIONAL CITY RESIDENT AND LONGTIME ADVOCATE FOR MORE HEALTHY FOODS AND FOR OVERALL HEALTH IMPROVEMENT IN OUR REGION. I KNOW FROM WORKING WITH OUR REGION'S HOMELESS POPULATION AND MORE HOUSING, UH, HEALTH REQUIRES HOUSING OUR REGION'S HOMELESS POPULATION CLEARLY DEMONSTRATES THE FULL RANGE OF HEALTH ISSUES OF BEING UNHOUSED OR HOUSING IS SECURE. OTHER STRUGGLING RESIDENTS HERE INCLUDE SENIOR HOMEOWNERS WHO CANNOT AFFORD TO SCALE [01:50:01] DOWN OR RECONFIGURE THEIR HOUSING TO MEET CHANGING NEEDS AS THEY AGE. STARTER HOMEOWNERS WHO CANNOT AFFORD TO SCALE UP OR RECONFIGURE THEIR HOUSING TO MEET CHANGING NEEDS AS THEIR FAMILY GROW, FAMILIES GROW AND RENTERS SUBJECT TO EVER INCREASING RENTS FOR EVER SMALLER UNITS WITH TWO LITTLE PROSPECT FOR OWNERSHIP HERE. THOSE ARE MY NEIGHBORS, UH, ON FOURTH STREET. KNOWING THAT MORE HOUSING IS NEEDED FOR MANY REASONS, INCLUDING COMPLIANCE, UH, WITH STATE AND COUNTY DIRECTIVES, I COMMEND ALL INVOLVED IN THE FOCUS GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UH, WHICH IS AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT STEP, UH, AND THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO SENSIBLY ALLOW MORE HOUSING. HERE, SPECIFICALLY AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE PLAN IS TO MOST SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE, UH, DENSITY ALONG THE EAST FOURTH STREET AND D AVENUE CORRIDORS ON EAST FOURTH. LOTS WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES LIKE MINE AS PRESENTED ARE, UH, PLAN TO BE REZONED RM ONE, WHICH IS FOUR STORY MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL. THIS CERTAINLY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE A GREAT THING. AND WHILE I WOULD LIKE TO BE FULLY SUPPORTIVE, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, AS UH, WAS JUST STATED TOO FEW OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE AWARE AND THE CITY LACKS IMPORTANT. UH, THEY'RE IMPORTANT INPUT AND PARTICIPATION. YES, COMMUNICATIONS IS OUTLINED IN THE CITY'S FB, UH, FGPU WEBPAGE AND PRESENTED HERE. THEY'VE HAPPENED, UH, BUT STILL TOO FEW RESIDENTS ARE ACTUALLY AWARE OF WHAT THE FB OF, OF WHAT THE REZONING ACTUALLY MEANS FOR THEM, SPECIFICALLY IN THEIR PROPERTIES FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEIR FUTURE. I THANK, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA AND MARTIN AND CARLOS FOR PRESENTING AT A TOWN HALL MEETING LAST WEEK. THAT WAS GREAT. BUT EVEN MORE ENGAGEMENT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT REZONING IS NEEDED FOR OUR RESIDENTS. UH, WHAT ALSO SEEMS TO BE NEEDED IS PLANNING FOR A RANGE OF SUPPORT OPTIONS THAT ARE VITAL FOR THOSE THAT HAVE LIMITED MEANS. UH, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE REZONING. I STRONGLY URGE THAT ADOPTING THE FGPU UH, ZONING AMENDMENT BE CONDITIONAL UPON PLANNING'S, NEAR TERM EXPANSION OF ITS EDUCATION AND SUPPORT FOR RESIDENTS PERHAPS ENLISTING THE HELP OF TRUSTED COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS. UM, SECONDLY, I ASK THIS ENGAGEMENT, UH, PLEASE WRAP UP. OKAY. UH, JUST IN CLOSING, WE NEED, UH, MORE HOME OWNERSHIP, NOT LESS. I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE PART OF THE PROCESS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR SPEAKERS. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON ZOOM? I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY ZOOM ONE SIGNED UP ON THIS ONE. NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, SECOND. WE HAVE AS SOON AS I GET THERE DEALS IN THERE. THERE'S ONE. THERE'S ONE. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. THIS IS JUST TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO INTRODUCE, AT THIS STAGE, THIS WILL BE THE FIRST INTRODUCTION, AND THEN IF IT IS INTRODUCED AT THIS STAGE, IT WOULD COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS FOR ADOPTION, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. SO ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT THIS POINT? COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. I WAS WATCHING PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING YESTERDAY. I WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE PLANNING COMMISSIONER, UM, RANDY CASTLE HERE. MM-HMM. . UM, THEY HAD PRESENTED IT NICELY TO THE PUBLIC AND I THINK THEY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION. UM, I WAS, WHEN I CAME IN, THERE WERE ONLY FOUR IN THE DAIS AND THEN I LEARNED THAT THREE OF THEM WERE RECUSED FOR A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND ONE OF THEM HAD TO, UM, DO A, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? ROCK PAPER SCISSOR. SO THEN ONE CAN, SO THEY CAN HAVE A QUORUM. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO I, I HAVE, THIS IS MY SECOND TIME TO, UM, TO, UH, SEE THIS PRESENTATION, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. OKAY. LET ME JUST SAY THAT A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO DO IS INDEED, THERE IS A STATE IMPOSITION OF HOUSING, WHAT THEY CALL RENA NUMBERS RE UH, REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT. AND SO THEY DETERMINE HOW MANY NEW HOUSING UNITS NEED TO BE BUILT STATEWIDE. AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO EACH INDIVIDUAL REGION AND WHAT WE CALL THEIR MPO MUNICIPAL PLANNING ORGANIZATIONS. AND OUR CASE IS SANDAG. AND THEN, AND IN OUR CASE, SANDAG IS SELF CERTIFYING. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY, THEY GET TO DETERMINE HOW THOSE GO OUT AMONG THEIR COMMUNITIES. THE REST OF THE STATE'S NOT SELF CERTIFIED. SO THE STATE JUST TELLS EACH COMMUNITY WHAT YOU GOTTA DO. [01:55:01] SAND EGG'S A LITTLE IS DIFFERENT. AND UH, THE ISSUE COMES UP THAT THE WAY THAT THEY MADE THEIR DETERMINATION IS BY THE RATIO THAT YOU HAVE OF, UH, HOUSING TO JOBS BALANCE AND THE NUMBER OF, UM, TRANSIT STOPS, MAJOR TRANSIT STOPS THAT YOU HAVE. SO, IN OTHER WORDS, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY CALL SMART GROWTH. SO THE CITIES THAT HAVE BEEN DOING REAL WELL AT THAT, THEY SAY YOU GOTTA BUILD A LOT MORE HOUSES. THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN DOING DUMB GROWTH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD AS MANY HOUSES BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE AS GOOD A JOB HOUSING RATIO AND YOU DON'T HAVE AS MUCH TRANSIT. AND SO THEN YOU COME WITH A COMMUNITY LIKE, WE'LL SAY POWAY, WHO HAS APPROXIMATELY THE SAME POPULATION THAT WE HAVE. UM, THEY WOULD NOT ALLOW THE 1 25, WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH THEIR CITY AND TIE IN WITH THE 15 AND TO BECOME COMPLETE. SO IF, IF YOU GO IN THE 1 25, IT ALL OF A SUDDEN JUST ENDS AT THE 52, IT JUST DEAD ENDS. WHICH SEEMS KIND OF WEIRD, DOESN'T IT? THAT'S 'CAUSE POWAY STOPPED IT. SO THEY DIDN'T WANT, THEY'RE THE ONLY CITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A FREEWAY GOING THROUGH THERE THROUGH THEIR CITY. SO, SO IN THE SAME WAY, OUR CITY HAS A POPULATION ABOUT THE SAME AS POWAY, BUT EVERY DAY OUR POPULATION IN THE DAYTIME ABOUT DOUBLES. 'CAUSE EVERYONE COMES HERE BECAUSE OF JOBS, 'CAUSE OF SHOPPING, EVERYTHING ELSE, POWAY WITH THE SAME POPULATION, ALL THEIR PEOPLE GO AND SCATTER OUT ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND GO SHOPPING AND GO TO JOBS, BLOCK UP THE FREEWAYS. AND SO THEIR POPULATION GOES BY ONE HALF DURING THE DAY, THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT OURS DOES. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUILD AS MANY HOUSES. WHY? THEIR JOBS HOUSING BALANCE ISN'T VERY GOOD. THEY DON'T WANT TRANSIT IN THEIR COMMUNITY AND THEY DON'T WANT A FREEWAY IN THEIR COMMUNITY. SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO. SO LET'S, LET'S TAKE NATIONAL CITY REAL QUICK. 7.2 SQUARE MILES OF LAND THAT INCLUDES NAVAL BASE, THE PORT, EVERYTHING, 7.2 SQUARE MILES OF LAND DENSE CITY IN THE COUNTY. TAKE THE SIX MOST AFFLUENT CITIES IN THIS COUNTY, AND THEY HAVE OVER 75 SQUARE MILES OF LAND. THOSE SIX CITIES ARE BEING ASKED WITH ARENA NUMBERS BETWEEN ALL SIX OF THEM TO BUILD A LITTLE OVER 3000 HOUSING UNITS IN THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS. NATIONAL CITY WITH LESS THAN ONE 10TH OF THE SPACE. AND WE, OUR URBAN RESERVE IS THE BACKSTOP BEHIND THE LITTLE LEAGUE, THE WEEDS THERE. AND THAT'S ABOUT, THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY URBAN RESERVE WE HAVE WITH OUR 7.2 SQUARE MILES. WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO 5,300 MORE HOMES. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CHASING HERE. AND IT'S ALL BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, A FLAWED FORMULA AT SANDAG, UH, THAT SAYS, WE'LL PUNISH THE CITIES THAT HAVE BEEN DOING THE GOOD THINGS AND WE'VE BEEN ASKING THEM TO DO. AND THOSE WHO WON'T AND HAVEN'T WON'T REWARD YOU. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CHASING WITH THIS. AND THEN THE STATE ADD ON TOP OF THAT BECAUSE CITIES AREN'T ALLOWING ENOUGH GROWTH, WELL THAT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, SO LET, DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING REQUIREMENTS EITHER. AND, UH, SO THERE'S JUST A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS ARE BEING ADDED UP ON TOP OF THIS. AND, UH, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF UNDER THE GUN ON. SO WE HAVE TO, AT LEAST AT THIS STAGE, AT LEAST PLAN GIVE WITHIN A PLANNING DOCUMENT THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT DENSITY TO HAPPEN. BUT LOOK OUT FOR THE DAY WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN LEGISLATORS TURN THAT OVER TO YOU HAVE TO MEET THOSE NUMBERS OR OTHERWISE FUNDING WILL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM YOUR CITY THAT HAS BEEN THREATENED SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY. THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GET ENOUGH SUPPORT, BUT SOONER OR LATER THEY'RE GONNA USE AN EXAMPLE OF SOME LITTLE CITY SOMEWHERE THAT'S NOT DOING ANYTHING AND USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE TO PUT A BROAD BRUSH OVER THE ENTIRE STATE. AND IT WILL REALLY HURT A CITY LIKE NATIONAL CITY THAT'S BEEN DOING THE RIGHT THING ANYWAY. BUT, BUT WE DO HAVE TO MEET THOSE, WE DO HAVE TO MEET THE STANDARDS AND THE DICTATES OF THE, THE STATE ON THIS, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. I THINK YOU HEARD HER EMPLOYEES FIRST, AND THEN YOU CAN COME UP WITH MR. RODRIGUEZ. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I, I THINK, UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S A WAKE UP CALL FOR US AS A PUBLIC AGENCY TO WORK WITH OTHER AGENCIES THAT WE WORK WITH. UM, I THINK THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT ARE COMING UP IN THE PIPELINE AND, UH, BUILDING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THOSE, UM, LEADERS IN THAT AGENCY. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, STARTING THAT, UM, RELATIONSHIP BUILDING MAYOR. THANK YOU. GREAT MAYOR RODRIGUEZ. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. TO PIGGYBACK ON, UH, VICE MAYOR IMAN'S POINT, I MEAN SANDAG IS A VERY IMPORTANT REGIONAL AGENCY, WHICH, UH, HELPS US APPLY FOR MANY, MANY GRANTS. [02:00:01] UH, WE WERE JUST DOING A JOINT APPLICATION WITH THEM IN THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO AND A BUNCH OF NON-PROFITS, AND WE WERE AWARDED, UH, $50 MILLION, UM, WITH THOSE AGENCIES IN ORDER TO RE-ENVISION THE NORTH PART OF THE CITY. UM, SO I, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THEM AS A STRATEGIC, IMPORTANT REGIONAL PARTNER THAT THEY ARE, AND LOOK AT THE BENEFITS THAT WE CONTINUE TO GET FROM THESE REGIONAL AGENCIES IN TERMS OF LIKE, UM, SO I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THIS PLAN BECAUSE SOMETIMES, UM, YOU KNOW, WE GET VERY NOSTALGIC. WE ALWAYS KIND OF WANT THINGS TO BE THE WAY THEY ARE, BUT THE TRUTH IS NOTHING EVER IS, EVERYTHING ALWAYS CHANGES. SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER DISCUSSING THIS PLAN WITH MY KIDS ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WE'RE DRIVING TO SCHOOL, AND I WAS TELLING THEM, OH, LOOK, THIS IS, UH, THIS WHOLE AREA DOWN NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD. WE'RE GONNA HAVE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA BE 3, 4, 5 STORIES TALL. AND THIS IS, THIS IS THE PLAN, THIS IS THE IDEA, AND WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT 10, 20 YEARS, AND THIS WILL EVENTUALLY BE BUILT OUT. AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHY, DAD? THAT'S CRAZY. LIKE, WE WANT IT TO BE THIS WAY. I'M LIKE, WELL, WHERE ARE YOU GONNA LIVE? SILLY. RIGHT? THERE'S FOUR OF YOU. WHERE ARE YOU GONNA LIVE? LIKE, WELL, WE'RE GONNA LIVE WITH YOU. NO, YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE GONNA NEED A PLACE OF YOUR OWN. AND I MEAN, YOU SAY THAT NOW, BUT WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE 20. WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE 30. RIGHT. YOU'RE GONNA WANNA BE ON YOUR OWN. YOU'RE GONNA WANNA NEED A, A, A UNIT FOR YOU. AND GUESS WHAT? WE HAVE TO PLAN THAT OUT NOW. WE CAN'T PLAN IT OUT WHEN THEY'RE OLD. RIGHT. WE HAVE TO PLAN IT OUT NOW. SO I, I DO THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE. IT'S A VERY KIND OF SIMPLISTIC WAY OF LOOKING AT IT. IT, BUT IT IS, IT IS JUST THE TRUTH. WE CANNOT GROW OUR DENSITY AND POPULATION TO ACCOMMODATE FOR OUR OWN KIDS IF WE DON'T BUILD THE HOUSING FOR THEM. AND IF WE DON'T DO IT, WHAT'S ONLY GONNA HAPPEN IS THEY'RE GONNA MOVE AWAY SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA HAVE THE RE THE RESEMBLANCE OF NATIONAL CITY, RIGHT? LIKE THE, THE, THE MEMORY OF NATIONAL CITY INSTEAD OF WANTING TO COME BACK HERE AND ACTUALLY LIVING HERE, I THINK, AS MOST PEOPLE WANT. AND SO I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. UM, I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT AS WE DEVELOP, WE DEVELOP THE RIGHT KIND OF HOUSING AND WE INCENTIVIZE TO DEVELOP THE RIGHT KIND OF HOUSING. SO WE TALKED ABOUT HOME OWNERSHIP EARLIER. I MEAN, WE HAVE, UM, ONE OF THE LOWEST HOME OWNERSHIP RATES IN THE COUNTY AT 30%. AND, UM, WE MUST INCREASE THAT WE MUST EXPAND HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS. HOUSING IS IN INCRE, INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE. AND, AND ALL OF NATIONAL CITY FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT I'VE PERSONALLY LOOKED, UM, FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THERE'S NO MORE THAN 30 UNITS FOR SALE AT ONE TIME, 30 FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. THAT'S CRAZY. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO INCENTIVIZE THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. UH, I'M GLAD THAT THE HOME OWNERSHIP, UM, ON CITY PROPERTY IS, IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT WE JUST NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT IN, IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE. SO ATTACHED TO THAT, BY THE WAY, AND WE TALK ABOUT HOME OWNERSHIP, THE BIGGEST INVESTMENT IN MOST PEOPLE'S LIVES IS THEIR HOME. UM, IT IS THE MOST, UM, FUNDAMENTAL INVESTMENT IN THEIR LIFE AND THAT FOR THEIR FUTURE. AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. AND IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE STUCK IN THE SAME POSITION WE'RE AT NOW, WHICH IS DEVELOPING, UH, LUXURY APARTMENTS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, ALL AROUND THE CITY, EVEN ON CITY PROPERTY, WHICH WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES AS WELL. SO WE MUST CHANGE COURSE, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO DEVELOP AND THINK OF OUR FUTURE. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. MEMBER BUSH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE BY, UH, FIRST READING AND ADOPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SECOND. OKAY. MOTION SECOND. DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT? AND, AND I DO HAVE COMMENT. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, SO I JUST, I, I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THE STAFF DID ON THIS. UM, AND YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I DO HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION, UH, THAN THE MAYOR. I THINK, UH, THE RENA NUMBERS, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO WORRY THAT MUCH ABOUT WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, BECAUSE THE STATE IS TAKING CARE OF THE SOLANA BEACHES OF THE WORLD THAT ARE, UH, FIGHTING THIS DENSITY. UM, HUNTINGTON BEACH, ALL, ALL THE, THESE WEALTHY BEACH COMMUNITIES, IT'S TRUE. THEY'RE, THEY ARE FIGHTING THE DENSITY AND THEY'RE ALSO, NOT ALL OF THEM ARE, ARE WINNING THESE BATTLES. LIKE THE STATE IS GIVING US MORE MONEY. SANDAG IS GIVING US MORE MONEY. AS COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ SAID, UH, PART OF THAT IS SMART GROWTH INCENTIVE PROGRAM. WE ARE ONE OF THE HIGHEST RECIPIENTS OF THAT BECAUSE OF OUR ARENA NUMBERS AND BECAUSE OF OUR LOCATION, ALL THE, UH, THE PROXIMITY TO HIGH PERFORMING TRANSIT. AND SO I DO THINK WE SHOULD EMBRACE THESE NUMBERS. DENSITY ISN'T, UM, A INHERENTLY A BAD THING. THERE'S BENEFITS TO DENSITY. WE HAVE A, I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE A HOUSING AND A HOMELESSNESS CRISIS THAT DISPROPORTIONATELY, UM, IMPACTS MY GENERATION. AND EVEN WORSE, THE GENERATIONS, UH, BELOW IT. SO WE DO HAVE TO BUILD HOUSING, BUILDING HOUSING, AND OUR COMMUNITIES ALSO HELPS OUR SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THAT'S MORE CUSTOMERS, THAT'S MORE, UH, PEOPLE WITHIN WALKING AREA THAT CAN PATRONIZE OUR BUSINESSES. [02:05:01] SO THERE'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER SIDE TO IT THAT, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO, UM, EMBRACE. I, I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR THAT THERE'S OTHER CITIES THAT AREN'T, UH, DOING THEIR FAIR SHARE. AND IF WE WANT, WE CAN LOBBY, HAVE OUR STAFF LOBBY THE STATE ON WAYS TO, TO PUNISH THEM AND INCENTIVIZE US. BUT, BUT FOR ME, I THINK WE SHOULD FOCUS ON, ON THE GOOD HERE. AND WE, WE DO HAVE A, A HOUSING CRISIS. AND, AND THE OTHER PART OF THIS THAT THIS ISN'T ADDRESSING, THIS IS JUST THE NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT WE'RE NOT, UH, ADDRESSING HERE THE HOME OWNERSHIP PIECE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ TALKED ABOUT. SO THAT'S STILL SOMETHING ELSE WE NEED TO PUSH, BUT THIS IS, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE LAID OUT HERE IS GOOD FOR, UM, ADDRESSING THE HOUSING CRISIS. IT'S GOOD FOR OUR SMALL BUSINESSES, AND I HOPE WE WOULD CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I DO, MAYOR. OKAY. I THOUGHT, SO I JUST TO, UH, PIGGYBACK ON WHAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ SAID, WE NEED CHANGE. AND CHANGE IS THE ONLY PERMANENT THING IN LIFE CHANGE. OKAY. THAT'S TRUE. UM, YEAH. AND ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES IS THAT YOU HAVE STUFF LIKE, UH, OTTI RANCH, WHICH IS SIM CITY. THAT IS THE, UH, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST SANDBOX THAT, UH, WE HAVE IN CALIFORNIA WHERE THEY COULD JUST LITERALLY GO OUT AND JUST START PLANNING. UH, WE ARE A ENTIRELY BUILT OUT CITY, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO BUY DEVELOPED PROPERTY TO TEAR DOWN EXISTING BUILDINGS FOR THE MOST PART, AND THEN BUILD, WHICH IS A MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE WAY OF DOING THINGS. UH, KY RECONSTRUCTION HAS GOT ONE OF THE LAST FEW LARGE, UH, UH, VACANT FLAT PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE JUST GRADING ON RIGHT NOW. BUT THERE'S NOT, THERE'S, THOSE ARE, THERE'S ALMOST NONE OF THOSE LEFT. BUT, UH, I KNOW THEY JUST STARTED ON THE GRADING OVER THERE ON EIGHTH STREET. UM, THE, UH, THERE'S NOT MANY OF THOSE. AND SO IF YOU, EVEN IF YOU LOOK DOWN HERE AT THE, UH, THE OLD TROPHY LOUNGE HERE ON THE CORNER OF PLAZA AND, UH, NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD, AND YOU SEE THAT BUILDING, THAT BUILDING IS A SHELL. THERE ARE FOUR BY FOURS INSIDE THERE THAT ARE HOLDING THOSE WALLS AND THE CEILING UP. THERE IS NOTHING HOLDING THAT THING UP BESIDES A BUNCH OF SUPPORTS. WHY? BECAUSE THEN IT'S STILL A DEVELOPED BUILDING, AND THEY CAN SELL IT FOR MORE THAN IF THEY HAVE IT AS A, AS A VACANT LOT. AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY, IT'S WAY IT'S DONE. YOU HAVE TO BUY IT PER SQUARE FOOT AS A DEVELOPED PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND, UH, SO THAT MAKES PROPERTY MORE EXPENSIVE. SO DO WE LOOK FOR INCENTIVE MONEY FROM THE STATE? AND IT WAS JUST MENTIONED ABOUT THE $50 MILLION FOR THE PROJECT HERE, FOR NATIONAL CITY AND SAN DIEGO HERE ON OUR NORTHERN BOUNDARY. SO $50 MILLION GRANT WAS PROPOSED FOR IT. THERE'S ONLY ONE PROBLEM THAT WAS $149 MILLION IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. THE STATE BUDGET FOR THE ENTIRE STATE, THE GOVERNOR JUST CUT IT TO 75 MILLION AND THE LEGISLATURE JUST SENT IT BACK TO THEM, TO HIM AS $50 MILLION FOR THE ENTIRE STATE. NOT FOR SAN DIEGO NATIONAL CITY, BUT FOR THE ENTIRE STATE. HUH? IT WAS APPROPRIATED THROUGH THE BUDGET SURPLUSES OF YEARS PAST. RIGHT. AND, UH, YEAH. SO, BUT YEAH, BUT AT, AT A MUCH, MUCH LOWER, LOWER NUMBER. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND THE SAME THING'S GONNA BE HAPPENING WITH THE HOUSING MONIES, EVERYTHING ELSE. UH, AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE LOOKING A LOT MORE TOWARD, AS, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO MILK AS MUCH OUTSIDE HELP AS WE CAN GET, UH, TO, TO DO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AND MAKE 'EM HAPPEN. MUCH LIKE WITH THE Y TODD, WE WERE ONLY ONE OF FOUR PROJECTS IN THE UNITED STATES THAT GOT FUNDING LIKE THAT. UM, BUT TO TRY TO MILK AS MUCH OF THAT AS WE CAN, BUT A LOT OF OUR HELP'S GONNA HAVE TO COME FROM INTERNAL, UH, TO MAKE ANY OF THE STUFF HAPPEN. UH, AT THE, IT'S AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, IT'S AT THE STATE LEVEL, IT'S AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL. UH, JUST CAME OUT YESTERDAY. OUR DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS GOING TO, THEY'RE, UH, THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD THEY'VE GOTTA DROP MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OUT OF THEIR BUDGET, MILLIONS JUST OUTTA THAT ONE DEPARTMENT. UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF OUR FUTURE. SO, UM, I THINK THESE ARE GREAT. I THINK THAT WE ALSO NEED TO DEAL WITH A NUMBER OF ISSUES, LIKE WITH THE STATE ON DESIGN DEFECT LAWS, WHICH WOULD HELP US SO THAT WE COULD BUILD CONDOMINIUMS FOR, FOR SALE. UH, BUT WITH THE DOES DESIGN DEFECT LAWS, IT MAKES THEM THINGS TERRIBLY, TERRIBLY EXPENSIVE. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY NOT THAT MANY CONDOS DO YOU SEE THEM BEING BUILT. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO, TO WORK ON. BUT WORKING WITH OTHER AGENCIES, WHETHER IT BE SANDAG AS THEY COME UP WITH THEIR NEXT SERIES ARENA NUMBERS, THERE'S SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU NEED TO ADJUST YOUR FORMULA. YOU SHOULDN'T BE PUNISHING CITIES THAT ARE WORKING WITH YOU AND, AND THEN IGNORING CITIES THAT ARE NOT, AND THINGS ALONG THIS LINE THAT WE CAN DO ALSO. BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME, WORK WITH THE STATE LEGISLATURE STUFF SUCH STUFF AS DESIGN DEFECT LAWS, THINGS ALONG THIS LINE TO MAKE IT SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY BUILD HOUSING THAT [02:10:01] IS WITHIN PEOPLE'S RANGE, AND THEN WORKING TO HELP GET PEOPLE INTO THOSE, INTO THOSE HOMES. OKAY. WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I DO BELIEVE IT IS. YEP. SORRY. UP THERE. AND SO, UNLESS THERE'S ANY MORE COMMENTS, SEEING NONE, UM, THIS IS FOR INTRODUCTION ONLY AND IT WILL BE COMING BACK IN TWO WEEKS FOR ADOPTION. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA RECUSING. OKAY. CAN WE LET MEMBER MOLINA KNOW THAT SHE CAN COME BACK IN? ALSO? I DON'T SEE WE HAVE ANY MORE NEED FOR ANY INTERPRET INTERPRETATION SERVICE, SO WE CAN RELEASE THE INTERPRETER. MR. MAYOR, CAN WE TAKE A BREAK? YEAH, LET'S TAKE A, LET'S TAKE A SHORT, JUST FIVE MINUTE ONE. THANK YOU, PLEASE. AND I'M GONNA HOLD YOU GUYS TO FIVE MINUTES. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. SO THAT WE CAN GET THESE LAST ITEMS OUT AND GET MOVING. ALRIGHT. DID WE LOSE COUNCILWOMAN MOLINA AGAIN? . ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UH, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. AND, UH, WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN MOLINA, UH, ABSENT FROM THE DAIS, AND I'M SURE SHE'LL BE HERE IN A MOMENT. [11.1 Public Hearing to Consider Confirming Weed Abatement Costs, Approving the Report andAccounting.] WITH THAT, WE, UH, GO TO ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO, TO CONSIDER CONFIRMING THE WE ABATEMENT COST AND APPROVING THE REPORT AND ACCOUNTING. UM, SO WITH THAT STAFF REPORT THERE, SHE IS MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE STAFF, ROBERT DREW, DEPUTY FIRE MARSHAL, UH, FOR TONIGHT'S WEED ABATEMENT HEARINGS. I, I HAD THIS INFORMATION TO PROVIDE TO YOU LAST YEAR'S WEED ABATEMENT. UH, WE HAD 348 PROPERTIES THAT RECEIVED NOTICES. WE HAD 45 PROPERTIES THAT WERE FORCED ABATED. WE HAD 12 PROPERTIES THAT WE BROUGHT TO THE HEARINGS. UM, TWO OF THOSE WERE LATER REMOVED FOR BEING IN LINCOLN ACRES AND TWO WERE REMOVED, UH, FOR PAYMENT BEFORE WE CAME TO THE HEARINGS. THIS YEAR'S STATS, WE HAD 468 PROPERTIES THAT RECEIVED NOTICES. WELL OVER A HUNDRED MORE PROPERTIES. 53 OF THOSE PROPERTIES WERE FORCED ABATED. 18 OF THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO THE HEARING AND ONE OF 'EM WAS REMOVED. WE ACTUALLY HAD 19 THAT WE STARTED, BUT ONE WAS REMOVED FOR PAYMENT BEFORE THE HEARINGS. HMM. UH, OUT OF THESE 18 PROPERTIES THAT WE'VE, WE'VE BROUGHT 15 ARE VACANT LOTS. TWO ARE OCCUPIED HOMES OR RENTALS. ADDITIONALLY, TWO RECEIVED THEIR FIRST TIME NOTICE. FOUR WERE ADMINISTRATIVE ONLY FEES, WHICH MEANS THAT THE OWNERSHIP CLEARED THE PROPERTY BEFORE WE SIGNED THE FORCE ABATEMENT. BUT WE HAD TAKEN IT ALL TO THE WAY, TO THE POINT TO WHERE WE WERE GONNA FORCE ABATE IT. FOUR, THE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN ABATED MORE THAN ONCE 17 HAVE RECEIVED BETWEEN TWO AND 24 NOTICES IN THE PAST. 14 OF THE 18 PROPERTIES ARE OUTTA CITY OWNERSHIP. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO ANY OF THE WE WEED ABATEMENT THIS YEAR? UM, MAYBE YOU COULD JUST GIVE A REAL QUICK, WE HAVE SOME NEWER, NEWER COUNCIL MEMBER. IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE A REAL QUICK SYNOPSIS OF HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS. SO WE RECEIVE COMPLAINTS OR WE FIND COMPLAINTS. UM, THEY'RE FORWARDED TO US. WE WILL SEND A STAFF MEMBER, IT'S USUALLY MYSELF. I WILL GO OUT AND ACTUALLY LOOK AND VALIDATE THAT, UH, THERE IS A WEED ABATEMENT PROBLEM. I WILL FORWARD THAT TO FIRE PREVENTION SERVICES. OUR CONSULTANT, THEY WILL GO OUT TO THE PROPERTY, THEY WILL TAKE PHOTOS AND DOCUMENT IT. THEY WILL MAIL NOTICES FOR, UH, THE CITY OUT TO THE OWNERSHIP TO SAY YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO CLEAR YOUR PROPERTY. UH, IF THEY DON'T CLEAR WHEN THEY DO A RETURN VISIT, THEY WILL POST THE PROPERTY, SEND ANOTHER NOTICE, COME OUT TO 40 DAYS. IF THEY EVENTUALLY COME OUT AND IT HASN'T BEEN CLEARED, THEY CALL AND MEET WITH ME OR ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO SIGN THE ABATEMENT NOTICE TO FORCE ABATE THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTIES THAT DON'T PAY ONCE THEY'RE SENT A BILL AFTERWARDS, UH, END UP COMING HERE. SO AGAIN, WE HAD 53 THAT WERE CLEARED THIS YEAR AND WE'RE HERE WITH 18 THAT HAVEN'T PAID. [02:15:03] AND THE, UH, WHEN YOU SAY YOU SEND A LETTER OUT, IS THAT JUST REGULAR MAIL OR IS THAT CERTIFIED REGISTERED MAIL OR WHAT THEY DO CERTIFIED MAIL. TRY TO GET, THEY CHECK PARCEL INFORMATION WITH THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE WHAT'S MOST CURRENT ON HAND. SOMETIMES PEOPLE DO MOVE, SELL THE PROPERTY PASS AWAY, AND RECORDS HAVEN'T BEEN TRANSFERRED OVER YET. SO EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE DO HAVE THAT ISSUE, BUT, MM-HMM. , YEAH. THEY TRY TO FIND OUT WHO THE OWNER IS AND WE DO SEND CERTIFIED MAIL SO THAT WE KNOW SOMEONE HOPEFULLY RECEIVED IT. BUT WE DO GET LETTERS BACK THAT NO SENDER AVAILABLE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, ANY, WE DO HAVE, UH, ONE, AT LEAST ONE SPEAKER, UH, ON THIS. ANY CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS BEFORE WE HEAR THE, UH, SPEAKER? YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE, YOU MENTIONED THERE ARE 17 THAT ARE, UH, OUTSTANDING CURRENTLY 18. 18. UM, AND THAT IS JUST FROM THIS YEAR, FROM THE LAST TIME THAT YOU WERE HERE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. DID ANY OF THOSE ROLL OVER TO THIS NUMBER 18? NO. NO. SOME COULD BE, ACTUALLY, I KNOW FOR SURE TWO ARE REPEAT OFFENDERS. OH. UM, 'CAUSE WE SEE THEM EVERY YEAR. BUT WE WORK MORE OF ON A, A FISCAL BASIS, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, JULY, WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE OUT THE YEAR AND GET, YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE GOT ANY, GET THESE PUT ON LIENS. SO. YEAH. OKAY. SO SUMMER FROM 2023, THAT'S ALL WE CALL IT. 2023 YEAR, BECAUSE WE STARTED THE CYCLE THEN. RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THESE WOULD NOT BE, IF YOU, WE WERE TO GO OUT TODAY AND WE SEE AN AREA WITH A LOT OF WEEDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THIS. 'CAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM THIS LAST YEAR. RIGHT. WHICH WAS, WHICH WE HAD A FAIRLY RAINY YEAR LAST YEAR ALSO, SO. RIGHT. WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA SEE A LARGE NUMBER AGAIN, UH, OF NOTICES THIS YEAR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND I DO HAVE, UH, UH, ONE, UH, SPEAKER THOMAS REICH, IT'S HERE. THAT SAID, WHEAT ABATEMENT. I DIDN'T SEE THE THING HERE. IT SAID FIRE HAZARDS. SO I DIDN'T THINK, MY THINKING WAS I'M, I SUPPORT THE SIERRA CLUB AND IT WAS LOOKING TO ME LIKE YOU WERE, YOU WERE WEEDING, TAKE WEEDING, VACANT LOTS. AND I THOUGHT, I, I THOUGHT I, I'M, I WANT NATURAL GROWTH. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, AND THE, THE FIRST SENTENCE SAID, WEED ABATEMENT, AND WE WEEDS ARE PLANTS. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S MM-HMM. . RIGHT. IT, IT'S A THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY. BUT, BUT THANK YOU. SO, UH, THIS IS, YOU'RE CHARGING THESE PEOPLE $38,000 IN TOTAL AND EIGHT ON ONE OF THE LOTS IS 800, 300, THREE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND SEVEN THOUSAND NINE. 7,970 IS THE MOST THE, UH, UH, WHAT I WOULD, UH, BE PAYING THE MOST. AND I THINK THE, I'M IN FAVOR OF TRASH REMOVAL AND PREVENTING FIRE HAZARDS, BUT I BELIEVE IN NATURAL GROWTH. THAT'S ALL I WOULD SAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. YES. AND, UH, YEAH, THIS IS NOT FOR ISOLATED AREAS. THIS IS, UH, LIKE, THERE'S ONE PROPERTY HERE. IT'S ON M AVENUE, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY, WHAT, NORTH OF 16TH STREET ON WHAT WOULD BE M AVENUE. AND, UH, IT'S A HILLSIDE WITH HOUSES RIGHT AT THE TOP OF IT. AND SO IF YOU HAVE, AND IT GOES DOWN TO A GULLY DOWN BELOW. AND SO IF YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF, OF DEAD GRASS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING UP THERE, HIGH GRASS AND A FIRE OR WHATEVER, YOU TAKE IT RIGHT INTO THOSE HOMES. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH. AND SO IT'S DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU'VE GOT, SHALL WE SAY, SAGEBRUSH AREAS OR STUFF ALONG THAT LINE. UM, THAT'S, UH, THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE THE NATURAL GROWTH. AND SO, UH, IT'S VERY, SO THIS IS STUFF THAT, THAT IS SEASONAL ONLY. IT'S A BUNCH OF, OF DRY GRASS THAT COMES UP AND DRY WEEDS GETS DRY VERY QUICKLY AND IS A FIRE HAZARD. AND, UH, SO THIS IS NOT, UH, PERENNIAL PLANTS, UH, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO WANT. YEAH. JUST, AND MAYOR, I JUST ADD TO THAT WE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE WHERE WE HAVE THAT KIND OF GROWTH AROUND TOWN. UH, WE DO HAVE SOME AREAS, UH, UH, ON, ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN OVER NEAR LAKE AND ACRES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THERE'S AREAS THAT WE DON'T CLEAR NECESSARILY BECAUSE OF THE, THE HILLSIDE AND THE TERRAIN, SO, RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT. AND, UH, YEAH. THE SAME WAY OVER BY PLAZA BONITA IN THOSE TYPE AREAS. YES, ABSOLUTELY. ALRIGHT. [02:20:01] UM, THAT IS THE ONLY SPEAKER THAT WE HAVE. OH, I KNOW THERE WAS ONE LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE M AVENUE SITE, AND THAT WAS SUBMITTED ALSO FOR THE RECORD, AND THAT'S PART OF OUR RECORD. UH, WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SOME WILL, MR. CHAIRMAN SECOND. HUH? DO YOU WANT HIM TO ADDRESS THAT? OKAY. UM, YEAH. DID YOU, UH, SEE THE LETTER THAT WAS SENT BY THE, THE, UH, THE OWNERS THERE OF THE M AVENUE PROPERTY? YES, I DID. AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS ANY OF THEIR, THEIR CONCERNS OR THEIR ASSERTIONS? YES, I CAN. UM, A GOOD MAJORITY OF THE QUESTIONS THEY SEEM TO BE ASKING ON THERE ARE RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO, UH, OUR RESOLUTION AND THE CONTRACT BETWEEN, UH, FIRE PREVENTION SERVICES AND NATIONAL CITY. MM-HMM. . UM, THEY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT STATE CONTRACTORS LICENSING OR LICENSING THAT IS COVERED UNDER THE CONTRACT AND WHAT'S REQUIRED, UH, FOR THE RIGHT, THE CONSULTANT TO HAVE, UM, THE ASK FOR, UH, DO THEY PAY MONEY TO THE CITY. THERE IS NO MONEY EXCHANGED EITHER WAY. RIGHT. MONEY IS NOT PAID BY THE CITY, NOR IS RECEIVED BY THE CITY ON THESE PROPERTIES. UM, THEY ASKED FOR WORKERS' COMPENSATION THAT, AGAIN, IS ALSO COVERED BY THE CONTRACT. YEAH. THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR WORKERS' COMPENSATION POLICIES, UH, PREVAILING WAGES THAT'S ALSO COVERED BY THE CONTRACT. UM, THEY DID MAKE A MENTION THAT THEY THOUGHT THE PRICES WERE EXORBITANT, THOSE PRICES WERE ADOPTED AS PART OF THE CONTRACT, UH, IN 2020. AND IN FACT, I WAS NOTIFIED THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN THE SAME PRICES WE'VE HAD SINCE 2010. YES. SO, UM, NONE OF THAT'S CHANGED. UH, WE DO GO TO A BID PROCESS TO THE, UH, THE RFP FOR THESE, UH, THIS HAS BEEN PRETTY MUCH OUR ONLY SOURCE TO HAVE THIS KIND OF SERVICES FOR WELL OVER 20 YEARS AS FAR AS I KNOW. UM, WE HAVE HAD OTHER CONTRACTORS THAT HAVE SUBMITTED BIDS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, BUT THEY DON'T PROVIDE THE ENTIRE SERVICE, UH, WITH SENDING THE NOTICES AND THE MAILINGS AND THE POSTINGS. SO, UH, WE HAVE NOT FOUND ANOTHER CONTRACTOR THAT ACTUALLY DOES THIS. BUT WE DO GO TO BID EVERY FEW YEARS WITH THIS. WE'RE ACTUALLY COMING TO THE END OF THIS CONTRACT BECAUSE IT WAS A THREE YEAR WITH TWO SINGLE YEAR EXTENSIONS. UM, SO WE WILL BE, UH, AT THE END OF THIS CONTRACT NEXT YEAR. SO WE WILL HAVE TO GO TO THIS PROCESS, MOST LIKELY AGAIN SOON. YEAH. SO A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT THESE FIGURES AND SAY, WELL, LOOK, YOU KNOW, FOR DOING THE WEED ABATEMENT ON THESE VACANT LOTS, WELL, GEE, I DO IT FOR THOSE PRICES. UH, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS, IS THAT THERE WAS HUNDREDS OF THESE DEALS WERE SENT OUT, AND THAT COMPANY HAD TO KIND OF DEAL WITH EACH ONE OF THEM, AND MOST OF THEM WERE TAKEN CARE OF, AND THEY DON'T GET ANYTHING ON, ON MOST OF THOSE. SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S NOT QUITE THE WAY IT LOOKS. AND, UH, UM, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF COMPANIES LINING UP TO DO THIS, UH, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A BIT OF A GAMBLE. UH, OKAY. THE OTHER ONE WAS, IT SAID ALSO THE, THE ONE OTHER ONE, UH, SAID THE OWNER DID COMPLETE ABATEMENT ON CERTAIN PARCELS AND PROVIDED PHOTOGRAPHS AND MET WITH A GENTLEMAN NAMED MIKE ON SITE. YES. I ACTUALLY HAVE TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM FPS HERE. AND A FUNNY FIELD NOTE WAS IN, MICHAEL WAS ONE OF THEM. UH, BUT THEY DID CLEAR, UH, WHAT I HAVE HERE INFORMATION IS THERE WAS TWO PARCELS OUT OF, I BELIEVE, SEVEN OR EIGHT TOTAL IN THAT AREA THAT HAD BEEN CLEANED AND WERE NOT TOUCHED AS PART OF THE ABATEMENT PROCESS. OKAY. BUT THERE WERE FIVE OR SO MORE THAT HAD TO GO BACK AND TREES HAD TO BE SKIRTED, WEEDS HAD TO BE CUT, AND SO ON. UH, THEY DID MEET MULTIPLE TIMES. I CAN READ ACTUALLY THOSE TWO. YOU. UM, MICHAEL SPOKE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ON 9 6 23 AND EXPLAINED THE REMAINING VIOLATIONS AND INFORMED THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, OVER, OVER THE, THE DEADLINE, WHICH WAS 9 11 23. UH, AGAIN, MICHAEL SPOKE WITH THE CONTRACT LANDSCAPER ONCE BEFORE THE DEADLINE EXPLAINED STILL WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE ON THE SITE. UH, MICHAEL SPOKE WITH THE LANDSCAPER, UH, ON THE DEADLINE AND EXPLAINED THE PROPERTIES WERE STILL IN VIOLATION. AT THAT POINT, THE PROPERTY OWNER, OR A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COMPANY CALLED MICHAEL, UH, TO TRY TO MEET WITH THE LANDSCAPER AGAIN. AND MICHAEL EXCLAIMED THAT WE WERE ALREADY PAST THE DEADLINE AND HE WAS MEETING WITH US FOR THE, UH, LOOKING AT THE FORCED ABATEMENT AT THAT TIME. MM-HMM. . SO THERE WAS AT LEAST FOUR INCIDENTS WHERE FPS WAS TRYING TO MEET WITH THEM AND TELL THEM THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, AND IT JUST WASN'T GETTING DONE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND, UH, SO, AND ALL THESE PARCELS ARE BASICALLY ADJOINING PARCELS. THEY'RE ON THAT, WHAT [02:25:01] WE CALL M AVENUE PROPERTY, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. THEY LOOK, IF YOU LOOK AT IT IN AN OVERVIEW, IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE 10 HOUSES SLOTTED OUT THERE. YEAH. BECAUSE THERE WERE, THAT'S WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY PROPOSED. ALRIGHT. UH, ALRIGHT. SO WE HAVE, UH, LIKE TO, UH, WITH THAT WE HAVE NO OTHER DISCUSSION. THAT WAS THE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER AND THE ONE WRITTEN SPEAKER. SO I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND WE DO HAVE MOTION BY YAMANI AND RODRIGUEZ FOR CLOSE OF PUBLIC HEARING. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. SO NOW THEN, WHAT IS YOUR NOW WE WOULD NEED A MOTION. IF WE WANT TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION. I SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND SEAT NUMBER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. [11.2 Public Hearing and Resolution Confirming the Assessment and Ordering the Levy for theLandscape Maintenance District No. 1 (Mile of Cars) for Fiscal Year 2024-25.] OKAY. NEXT WE GO TO ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING RESOLUTION, CONFIRMING THE ASSESSMENT AND ORDERING THE LEVY OF THE LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE DISTRICT NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THE MILE OF CARS FOR THE YEAR 24 25. AND, UH, THIS IS A ANNUAL EVENT, BUT GO RIGHT AHEAD. UH, YES. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, UH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL STAFF PUBLIC MARTIN READER, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. YES. THIS IS THE FOLLOW UP TO, UH, THE MEETING OF MAY 21ST WHERE WE, WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE ENGINEER'S REPORT, UH, INITIATED PROCEEDINGS AND ORDERED THE, UH, OR, UH, EXCUSE ME, SCHEDULED THE HEARING IN ORDER TO ORDER THE LEVY, WHICH IS WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT. SO IF THE COUNCIL, UH, DOES ADOPT THAT RESOLUTION, WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND, UM, HAVE NBS TAKE CARE OF THAT LEVY PROCESS. MM-HMM, . OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, SEE NO CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS. UH, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS. UM, THEREFORE I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SEEING NO DISCUSSION. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT [11.3 Public Hearing and Introduction of an Ordinance Repealing and Replacing Chapter 15.10 ofthe National City Municipal Code, and Adopting the International Property MaintenanceCode by Reference.] WE HAVE A, A PUBLIC HEARING INTRODUCTION OF AN ORDINANCE, REPEALING AND REPLACING CHAPTER 15 POINT 10 OF THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL CODE ADOPTING MAY, MAY, OH, I'M TOM, SORRY. OH, I'M SORRY TO ADOPT. YOU'RE RIGHT. WE JUST, THAT WAS JUST CLOSING THE HEAR HEARING. UH, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION FOR ADOPTING THE RESOLUTION? I MAKE A MOTION MAYOR TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AS, UH, IN, UH, SUGGESTED BY STAFF SECOND. OKAY. MOTION. AND SECOND. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. NOW PLEASE VOTE ON THAT. GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT. NEXT WE GO TO, UH, ITEM 11.3, WHICH IS PUBLIC HEARING INTRODUCTION, BUT ORDINANCE REPEALING AND REPLACING CHAPTER 15 POINT 10 OF THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL CODE AND ADOPTING THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE BY REFERENCE. AND THIS IS PRETTY FUNCTIONARY. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU AGAIN, MAYOR. SO, JUST AS A BIT OF A BACKGROUND, THE CITY ADOPTED THE UNIFORM CODE FOR THE ABATEMENT OF DANGEROUS BUILDINGS BACK IN 1996. HOWEVER, THAT WAS, UH, ADMINISTERED AND MAINTAINED BY THE INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE OF BUILDING OFFICIALS, WHICH HAS SINCE BEEN DISSOLVED. SO WHAT WE ARE, UH, LOOKING TO DO INSTEAD IS TO REPLACE THAT CODE WITH THE INTERNATIONAL, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE, UH, WHERE IS IT? INTERNATIONAL? YEAH. THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. I CAN'T EVEN READ MY OWN WRITING HERE. ALSO KNOWN AS THE IPMC, WHICH IS PRACTICALLY THE SAME THING, BUT IS IS RUN BY AN ORGANIZATION, IT'S STILL FUNCTIONING AND MAINTAINING THAT KIND OF HELPS. YEAH. THAT, SO, UH, BASICALLY THE IPMC WILL ESTABLISH MINIMUM CRITERIA FOR PROPERTIES TO ESTABLISH MINIMUM PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT IS THERE. AND ALSO, UH, MAKES CLEAR WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR COMPLYING WITH THE CODE. SO THIS BASICALLY BRINGS THE MUNICIPAL CODE UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS AND MAKE, UH, MAKES IT ENFORCEABLE. OKAY. WITH THAT, SEEING NO CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS, UH, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ONE EITHER. NO. WITH THAT, COULD WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE HEARING. SECOND, MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UM, PLEASE VOTE. AND I DO HAVE A QUESTION. YES. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU MR. READER. THE QUESTION IS, IS WHY IS THIS, UH, INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE? WHAT'S INTERNATIONAL ABOUT IT? SO, HI. HI, I, BRIAN HADLEY, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. I CAN ADD A LITTLE HISTORY TO THAT. UH, [02:30:01] THE UNIFORM CODE FOR THE ABATEMENT OF DANGEROUS BUILDINGS WAS PUBLISHED BY THE INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE OF BUILDING OFFICIALS BACK IN THE NINETIES. BUT BACK IN THE NINETIES, THERE WAS THREE REGIONAL CODE BODIES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, AND THEY WERE CONSOLIDATED INTO ONE CODE BODY, WHICH IS THE INTERNATIONAL, UH, CODE COUNCIL. THEY CHOSE THE NAME JUST FOR SPECIFIC REASONS. IT DIDN'T MAKE 'EM INTERNATIONAL, BUT THEY THOUGHT THAT NAME, GIVE THEM A BROADER RANGE, YOU KNOW, FOR APPLICATIONS. SO ESSENTIALLY THOUGH, THIS, THIS INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE IS THE SAME AS, THE SAME AS THE UNIFORM CODE FOR THE PAYMENT AND DANGEROUS BUILDINGS ONLY. IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP TO DATE. SO THE, THE THICKNESS OF THE DOCUMENT IS ABOUT THE SAME. THE TEXT OF THE DOCUMENT IS JUST SAME. THEY JUST, THEY JUST BROUGHT IT UP TO SPEED IN TERMS, YOU KNOW, OF HOW MUNICIPAL ORGANIZATIONS ARE PUT TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, THESE DAYS CODE ENFORCEMENT IS MUCH MORE, UH, OFFICIALIZED, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF IN, BEFORE IT WAS KIND OF A, UH, UNDER THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND IT WAS NOT AS SOPHISTICATED AND NOT SO PROACTIVE. BUT NOW, YOU KNOW, NOW IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE IN THIS CITY, A DIVISION. SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE MOST UP TO DATE DATE CODES. I KNOW THAT WAS A LENGTHY ANSWER, BUT, UH, I HOPE THAT, UH, ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION THERE. YEAH, THANK YOU MR. HADLEY. YEAH, IT'S INTERESTING. SO EVEN THOUGH THE, THIS GROUP OR THIS ORGANIZATION IS CALLED INTERNATIONAL, REALLY THEIR JURISDICTION IS JUST HERE IN THIS COUNTRY? THAT IS, THAT IS CORRECT. MM-HMM. , THEY, THEY, OH, YOU'RE MICROPHONE. THEY HOPE IN THE MARKETING SENSE THAT OTHER COUNTRIES WILL ADOPT. AND SOME HAVE, AND SOME HAVE. IT'S LARGE IN, IN, UH, THE MIDDLE EAST AND SOME LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES HAVE PICKED UP ON IT, BUT IT'S PRETTY PREDOMINANTLY UNITED STATES. MM-HMM. . OKAY. BUT THERE'RE OPEN NEW MEMBERS. YEAH. SOUNDS GOOD. WELL, UM, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THOSE, MY QUESTION. THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE. AND MAYOR, IF YOU'RE READY FOR A MOTION, I THINK WE ALREADY DID ONE. WE DID A MOTION TO CLOSE THE, YEAH, WE JUST CLOSE OR DO WE NOT TO NOT TO INTRODUCE. YOU NEED A MOTION, A SECOND TO INTRODUCE. OKAY. WE NEED A MOTION FOR INTRODUCTION. OKAY. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO INTRODUCE THIS ORDINANCE AS SUGGESTED BY STAFF. OKAY. SECOND CHAIRMAN. ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, PLEASE VOTE ANOTHER WAY. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. [11.4 Public Hearing on the Adoption of a Resolution Approving the TransNet Local StreetImprovement Program of Projects for National City for Fiscal Years 2025 through 2029.] NEXT WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION OF APPROVING THE TRANSNET LOCAL STREET IMPROVEMENT, UH, PROGRAM OF PROJECTS FOR NATIONAL CITY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 THROUGH 2029. AND STAFF, UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. UH, THIS ITEM IS TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF OUR FIVE YEAR PROGRAMMING OF PROJECTS FOR ALLOCATION OF TRANSNET FUNDS AS REQUIRED BY THE TRANSNET EXTENSION ORDINANCE. UM, THIS, UH, FIVE, FIVE YEAR PROGRAMMING, UH, WE HAVE TO APPROVE EVERY OTHER YEAR. SO EVERY EVEN YEAR WE'RE IN 2024. UM, CURRENTLY OUR TRANSNET LOCAL STREET IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM INCLUDES THREE PROJECTS, UH, STREET RESURFACING, TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADES, AND SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE, THE PROGRAMMING PROJECTS TABLE, UH, IN YOUR AGENDA REPORT, UH, FOR THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR 2025, UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE ENTIRE ALLOCATION GO INTO THE STREET RESURFACING PROJECT, UH, SO THAT WE CAN LEVERAGE OUR, UH, STATE GAS TAX RMRA FUNDS TO DELIVER, UM, THE, UH, LARGER PROJECT THAT WE PRESENTED IN THE PREVIOUS, UM, ITEM, UH, WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO DO A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF STREETS THROUGHOUT NATIONAL CITY. UH, MOVING FORWARD FOR THE, THE SUBSEQUENT, UH, FOUR YEARS AFTER THIS YEAR, UM, WE DO START TO ALLOCATE SOME OF OUR, OUR FUNDS FOR, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADES AND SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL. UH, THE NICE PART ABOUT THE TRANSNET FUNDING IS WE CAN USE IT AS LEVERAGE FOR APPLYING FOR, UM, DIFFERENT TYPES OF STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS, WHICH WE OFTEN DO. UM, AND THAT ALSO HELPS US REDUCE, UH, OUR IMPACT TO THE GENERAL FUND. UH, WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YES, GO AHEAD. UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, MR. MANGANELLO, THE PROJECT ID NAMES ON HERE, UM, IS THIS ALREADY IDENTIFYING WHICH STREETS ARE GOING TO BE RESURFACED? UM, NOT FOR THE ENTIRE FI UH, FIVE YEAR PLAN. SO IT GIVES US A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY, WHICH IS GOOD. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF, [02:35:01] UM, IF WE RECEIVE A GRANT, UH, TO DO A CORRIDOR, NATIONAL CITY, UM, WE CAN THEN LEVERAGE OUR T ALLOCATION FOR STREET RESURFACING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, HELP SUPPORT OUR, OUR LOCAL MATCH ON THAT CORRIDOR. WHEREAS IF, IF WE WERE, UM, TO START TO BREAK OUT, UH, THE CITYWIDE PROJECT INTO VERY SPECIFIC CORRIDORS, THEN IT KIND OF TIES OUR HANDS, UM, FOR, FOR UPCOMING GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE DO GO THROUGH OUR PAYMENT CONDITIONS ASSESSMENT EVERY YEAR. AND AGAIN, HAVING THESE MORE GENERAL CITYWIDE PROJECTS HAVE GIVEN US, UM, AT THE STAFF LEVEL A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY ON HOW WE PRIORITIZE THESE TO THESE FUNDS. OKAY. I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THAT FLEXIBILITY. UH, ONE QUESTION IF, UM, I KNOW THAT THE STREETS IN NATIONAL CITY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ON SOME TYPE OF SCHEDULE FOR WHEN THEY ARE REASSESSED AND, YOU KNOW, UH, RESURFACED AND, AND RESURFACING MEANS LIKE COVERING THE POTHOLES RIGHT? AND CRACKS IN THE PAVEMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT? WELL, OUR, OUR PUBLIC WORKS CREWS WILL, WILL DO, UM, ROUTINE MAINTENANCE. SO PATCHING POTHOLES, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR STREET RESURFACING PROGRAM USUALLY JUST GETS SIMPLIFIED TO EITHER HAVING TO GRIND DOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE INCHES AND THEN DO A FULL OVERLAY. UM, SOMETIMES WE'LL DO DIG OUTS WHERE WE HAVE TO DIG DEEPER AND DO SOME MORE STRUCTURAL REPAIRS. AND THEN ALSO, UM, PARTICULARLY OUR RESIDENTIAL STREETS, WE CAN TYPICALLY DO A SLURRY SEAL ON TOP, UM, WHICH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE. BUT IT DOES GIVE OUR RESIDENTS, UH, A NICE NEW STREET. MM-HMM. . SO ALL THOSE TYPES OF TREATMENTS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR USE WITH, WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT'S IDENTIFIED IN OUR PROGRAM. OKAY. AND, AND SO THE, THE, UM, POTHOLE SITUATION THAT'S SOMETHING SEPARATE APART FROM THIS STREET SURFACING? YEAH, I MEAN, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, OUR CREW, OUR STREETS CREWS ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY PROVIDE US, UH, A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION THAT GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND THE PAVEMENT CONDITION ASSESSMENT. 'CAUSE THEY KNOW THE STREETS THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO RESPOND TO FOR REPAIRS ON A MORE ROUTINE BASIS. AND THAT DOES FEED INTO OUR, TO OUR PRIORITIZATION PRO PROCESS. SO IF WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME PAIRING POTHOLES ON A STREET, IT'S USUALLY BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN WATER INFILTRATION, IT'S, THERE'S STRUCTURAL ISSUES AND THOSE ARE THE ONES WE WANT TO TRY TO LEVERAGE, WHETHER IT'S STATE GAS TAX FUNDS OR, OR T DOLLARS TO, TO GET DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. 'CAUSE THE LONGER YOU WAIT, THE MORE EXPENSIVE, THE WORSE IT GETS, THE REPAIRS ARE. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO, UM, AGAIN, THE FLEXIBILITY IS GOOD. I LIKE HEARING THAT. AND, AND YOU JUST MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SCHEDULE FOR THE STREETS, BUT IF THERE IS A NEED FOR, TO PRIORITIZE SOMETHING THAT IS FURTHER DOWN ON THE SCHEDULE, THEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT GIVEN THE INPUT AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THE, THE GENTLEMAN THAT GO OUT THERE AND ACTUALLY DO THE WORK, THEY CAN DEFINITELY SAY, WELL, LET'S WORK ON THIS STREET EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT DUE FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO. OKAY. THANK YOU. NO MORE QUESTIONS. OKAY. UH, WITH THAT, LET'S SEE. ON THIS ONE, WE NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ONE EITHER. NO, THERE ARE NONE. OKAY. SO WE COULD HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WHO WANTS TO SECOND IT? I SECOND. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. JUST CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION TO APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. AND NOW WE WOULD CONSIDER A, UH, ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AS SUGGESTED BY STAFF. SECOND, MR. CHAIR. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. WE ARE OUT OF PUBLIC HEARINGS. UM, [12.1 Discussion and Adoption of Revised Proposed City Councilmember Budget Policy.] WITH THAT, WE, UH, NEXT GO TO ITEM 12.1. THIS IS DISCUSSION AND ADOPTION OF REVISED PROPOSED CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS BUDGET POLICY. AND I'M GONNA TURN THAT OVER TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, LET'S SEE. THIS IS THE, UM, FOLLOW UP TO YOUR MAY 7TH MEETING WHERE THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED POLICY AND IT WAS RETURNED TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION. UM, WHAT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS THE, UM, UH, DOCUMENT THAT'S IDENTIFIED AS REVISED. ITEM 12 ONE EXHIBIT A, WHICH WAS, UM, DISTRIBUTED TO [02:40:01] YOU, UH, TODAY AND ALSO UPLOADED EARLIER, I THINK IT WAS YESTERDAY. UM, AND IT'S BEEN AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. UM, WHAT EXHIBIT A IS, IS A RED LINE VERSION OF ALL THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE POLICY SINCE ITS ORIGINAL SUBMISSION TO YOU. UH, THE REASON IT WAS REVISED IS BECAUSE WHEN WE UPLOADED, UM, THE RED LINE VERSION TO E SCRIBE, IT DID NOT CAPTURE ALL OF THE RED LINES. UM, SO WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CORRECTED THAT. SO THIS DOCUMENT, EXHIBIT A, IS THE COMPLETE RED LINE VERSION OF THE PROPOSED POLICY. UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD NOTE IS THAT, UM, ON ATTACHMENT TWO, UM, IS A LIST OF PRE-APPROVED CONFERENCES. UH, AND ONE CONFERENCE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INCLUDED ON THAT, UM, WAS NOT, AND THAT IS THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REGIONAL COUNCILS. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITION, UH, TO THE, THE POLICY AS WELL AS ANY OTHER ONES THAT, UM, ARE DISCUSSED TONIGHT. THE LAST THING I WILL SAY IS, UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT DURING OUR LAST DISCUSSION, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA HAD SUGGESTED THAT THERE BE AN ANNUAL REVIEW OF THIS POLICY. UM, AND I THINK THERE WAS A CONSENSUS THAT THAT WAS, UM, WAS AGREEABLE. UM, SO WE'LL NEED TO ADD, UH, LANGUAGE AT THE END JUST REFLECTING THAT. UM, OKAY. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, SO THAT IS THE REPORT THAT CAME OUT OF THE COMMITTEE AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I'M PUTTING IT STUFF TOGETHER AND SO WE'LL TAKE ANY COMMENTS NOW, CAN I COMMENT MS. MAY CERTAINLY. UM, AS A MEMBER OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, I WANTED TO ASSURE MY COLLEAGUES HERE THAT WE, UH, HAMMERED THAT, THAT THING EVERY WORD WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AND WITH OUR CITY MANAGER. AND SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WHICH I REQUESTED FOR YOU TO EMAIL OUR CITY MANAGER, SO THEN, UM, WE CAN DO THOSE, WE CAN ADD THEM TO THE CORRECTIONS, BUT I THINK THIS IS OUR, YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, HAMMER BOTH OF US NOW, CAREFUL HOW YOU SAY THAT. ALRIGHT, MAYOR, SO ARE WE DOING, UH, FIRST I DON'T REALLY HAVE MANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT, BUT ARE, OR WAS IT JUST FIRST? WELL, THIS PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE, THIS IS YOUR COMMENTS. IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CLARIFICATION AND OH, GOT IT. YEAH, BECAUSE WE DON'T, BUT WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC SPEAKERS. GOT IT. SO ANYONE GOT ANYTHING BEFORE WE HEAR THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS? IF NOT, UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, ED NIETO, I READ THE POLICY. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD POLICY. IT'S A GOOD START COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAD BEFORE. IT'S GREAT START. OKAY. UM, BUT THE, HERE'S THE THING. OVER THE PAST YEAR WE HAVE MANY CONDITIONS THAT OCCURRED. I THINK THESE POLICY, THIS POLICY HERE ADDRESSES MANY OF THOSE CONDITIONS. THOSE CONDITIONS SHOULD HAVE NEVER COME UP. AND I THINK THE UNDERLYING THOUGHTS HERE IS, IS THAT, UM, WHY DID THEY COME UP? BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A POLICY. SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE END OF THE POLICY. I SEE SOME FLAWS, FOR INSTANCE, FOLLOW UP. YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT IT, WE'RE GIVING MONEY AWAY. HOW DO WE KNOW WE'RE GETTING THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE RENDERING. HOW DID THE BENEFIC BEN, UH, THE BENEFICIARIES OF THE SERVICES, HOW DO WE KNOW THEY ACTUALLY GOT IT? TAKE THE TURKEY GATE. HOW DO WE KNOW THE TURKEYS WERE GIVEN TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S, WHAT WAS THE FOLLOW UP? WHAT DID THEY RECEIVE BENEFITS FOR THAT? I'M JUST USING A TURKEY GIVEAWAY AS, AS AN EXAMPLE FOR FUTURE, FOR FUTURE EXPENDITURES. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE BEN, THAT THE INTENT OF THESE, OF THESE, UM, UH, OF FUND, OF THESE SLUSH FUND, UH, GIVEAWAYS ARE REALLY RECEIVED EVEN IF THEY DO COMPLY WITH THIS? I THINK THE, THE, SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP, UH, ELEMENT TO THIS. BUT I THINK THE, THE THING IS YOU CAN HAVE THE BEST POLICY IN THE WORLD, BUT IF PEOPLE TURN AWAY FROM WHAT'S RIGHT, THIS POLICY [02:45:01] IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN. SO I THINK YOU ALSO NEED ETHICS TRAINING. AND I THINK THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVES OR HERE THAT YOU HAVE, THE GUIDELINES NEED TO BE EXPANDED TO, TO INCLUDE FOLLOW UP. I SAW, HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE FOLLOW UP. WE GET JUST GAVE A PRESENTATION OF THE ZONING AREA, BUT SOMEHOW WE HAD TWO CITIZENS WHO CAME UP AND THEY WERE SAYING, LOOK, THE CITIZENS IN THE AREAS THEY FELT DIDN'T GET IT. AND JUST LIKE MYSELF AND THE OTHER PEOPLE, UH, THE OTHER LADY HERE. SO YOU NEED TO FOLLOW, YOU NEED TO, EVERY TIME YOU TAKE ONE OF THESE ACTIONS, YOU NEED TO HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS ARE ACTUALLY, GET THE INTENT OF WHATEVER YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT WE HAVE, UH, RANDY CASTLE SALGADO. HI EVERYBODY. EXCUSE ME. UM, I HAVE ALSO READ THE POLICY. I THINK IT'S GOOD. I LIKE TO SEE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. UM, AS WE HAVE SEEN FROM PRIOR NATIONAL CITY COUNCIL BUDGET MEETINGS, THE CITY IS SHOWING POTENTIAL FOR SHOWING INTO, FOR GOING INTO A DEFICIT WITHIN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. CALIFORNIA IS IN A DEFICIT AND FUNDING IS BEING CUT. WE KNOW THERE ARE MORE AND MORE BUSINESSES CLOSING AND LEAVING CALIFORNIA RUBIO'S 99 CENT ONLY. SOME WALMARTS, WALGREENS, CVS JUST TO NAME A FEW. HOW DOES THIS AFFECT OUR BUDGET? WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS HERE IN NATIONAL CITY? IT EQUALS JOBS LOSS FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND POTENTIALLY MORE CITIZENS BEING DISPLACED. THIS ALSO EQUALS LESS REVENUE AND SALES TAX FOR OUR CITY WITH LESS AFFORDABILITY AND SPENDING FROM AN ALREADY STRETCHED AND CRIPPLED ECONOMY. WHERE RESIDENTS STRUGGLE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN RENT AND FOOD AND PLEASURE SPENDING IS NEARLY NON-EXISTENT. WE SEE THIS IN OUR CURRENT 2324 TAX REVENUE FROM OUR NATIONAL CITY BUDGET. AS A BUSINESS OWNER OF A FEAST AND FAMINE MARKET, I CAN SAY NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO BE SPENDING THE TIME WE'LL NEED. THE CITY WILL NEED ITS FUNDS TO SUSTAIN ITSELF IN CASE OF RECESSION. FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE WOULD BE REDUCING THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS BUDGET FUNDS AND POLICY NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE SPEND, BEFORE SPENT IN THE FUTURE. THIS IS AS ALREADY SAID BY MR. NIETO, THIS SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE, BUT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. ALL NEW INCREASES NEED TO BE SCRUTINIZED FOR IMMINENT NEED AND REEVALUATED, INCLUDING THE MAYORAL BUDGET. AND IF I MIGHT ADD SOME, IF NOT ALL, OF THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND PER COUNCIL MEMBER WAS TAKEN FROM THE MAYORAL BUDGET AS THE DEPARTMENT HEAD OF THE COUNCIL. THIS EQUATES TO VARIOUS COSTS AND EXPENDITURES THAT ALL MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS ALIKE REAP THE BENEFIT FROM NATIONAL CITY IS NEEDING SAFETY. THIS MONEY COULD HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED TO THE NATIONAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR AN ADDITIONAL PATROL OFFICER OR ADDING A ONE-TIME EMERGENCY FUNDS TO THE NATIONAL CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT IN PREPARATION FOR ANOTHER NATURAL DISASTER. NO OFFENSE TO TACO TRUCKS, BUT A YOUNG MAN LOST HIS LIFE THIS WEEK. PRIORITIES. LASTLY, A CLEAR PLAN ON SAVING FOR RAINY DAYS NEEDS TO BE TAKEN. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY NEED TO BE OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE FOR THE CONSTITUENTS OF NATIONAL CITY. I WOULD ASK, AS A RESIDENT OF NATIONAL CITY FOR QUESTIONS THAT ARE DIRECTED TO EACH COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR TO BE RESPONDED TO BY THAT UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL. PLEASE DO NOT DEFLECT QUESTIONS OR TRY TO PASS THE BUCK TO THE NEXT PERSON. WE WANT TO SEE IN YOUR WORDS EXACTLY WHAT YOU INDIVIDUALLY ARE ASKING FOR SO IT IS CLEAR TO EVERY RESIDENT THAT RESIDENTS THAT VOTED YOU IN, INCLUDING MYSELF, DESERVE THE ANSWERS ANCHORED DOWN AND CREATE A CLEAR SAVINGS PLAN. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, THAT IS ALL THE, THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE ON THAT ITEM. SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS NOW, DID OUR FIVE MAYORS OF LET THEM HAVE IT BUSH? YEAH. A, A QUESTION. SO, UM, SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THE COMMITTEE DID ON THIS. SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR MEETING. AND THIS, I I THINK THIS IS, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, ALL ALL OF THIS IS GREAT. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH INCLUDING ON HERE. UM, SO BECAUSE, AND THIS IS THE NEXT ITEM IS GONNA BE A PROPOSED INCREASE ON THE MAYOR BUDGET, BUT I'M NOT SEEING THE, I'M NOT SEEING THAT REFLECTED HERE. SO, UM, THAT'S ONE AREA. NO, ONE OF THE AREAS I SEE THAT MIGHT BE, UH, MISSING. SO IF WE LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THE DOCUMENTS, MAYOR SLASH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BUDGET, AND IT OUTLINES A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT IT DOESN'T OUTLINE THE MAYOR'S BUDGET. SO IS THAT, WAS THERE A PARTICULAR REASON [02:50:01] FOR THAT? ON HERE? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TITLE MAYOR. OKAY. HUH? THE TITLE. SO THE TITLE SAYS MAYOR CITY COUNCIL OFFICE BUDGET POLICY, AND IT SPECIFIES A HUNDRED THOUSAND APPROPRIATION FOR COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THAT FOR MAYOR. SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE IN THERE, PARTICULARLY IF IN THE NEXT ITEM YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN YOUR BUDGET. UH, YEAH, I CERTAINLY CAN. SO I, YEAH, I JUST, I THINK THAT'S, YEAH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT CLEAR. SO WE CAN ADDRESS THAT IN THE NEXT ITEM, BUT THAT, THAT, AND THIS POLICY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED TOO. MM-HMM. . BUT I, I'M GONNA, YEAH, I SEE YOU REACHING FOR YOUR MIC. I, I KNOW I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT, UM, A CHANGE COULD BE, WE HAVE A, UM, UNDER THE POLICY LANGUAGE IT SAYS EACH COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, AND I WOULD ADD, AND THE MAYOR MM-HMM. SHALL SUBMIT AN ANNUAL APPROPRIATIONS REQUEST. RIGHT. SO THAT PUTS HIS OFFICE INTO THE SAME PROCEDURE AS THE, THE REST OF THE COUNCILMAN. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SORRY. IT WAS AN OVERSIGHT ON OUR PART. YES. SHAME ON YOU BOTH. . I KNOW. HAND HAS BEEN SLAPPED. REMEMBER RODRIGUEZ? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, JUST, UH, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR WORKING ON THE ITEM. UH, VICE MAYOR AND MAYOR, VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT ON THIS AS WELL AS STAFF. I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, REGARDING ITEM NUMBER B, I GUESS POLICY, UM, UH, POINT B, UM, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT CONSULTANTS OR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. UM, OH, HERE SLIDING, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE IT IS. I'M LOOKING AT IT ONLINE. SORRY. YEAH, SO TOWARDS THE TAIL END OF THAT, UH, IT MENTIONS THE DISCLOSURE OF ECONOMIC INTEREST AND RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE CONSULTANT. I DO THINK THAT'S CRITICAL AND IMPORTANT, I BELIEVE. UM, IS THERE A REASON, THERE'S NO TIMELINE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. I THINK WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME TO INCLUDE A TIMELINE. YOU'RE THINKING LIKE WHEN THEY NORMALLY WILL SAY A DISCLOSURE FOR A 12 MONTH, YOU KNOW, A 12 MONTH ACT OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE MENTIONING OR WHAT YEAH, I, I I THINK THE, UM, UH, OVERWHELMING CONSENSUS WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, UH, DISCLOSURES ARE ABOUT A YEAR. MM-HMM. . BUT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE TO INCLUDE A TIMELINE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS LEAVES IT VERY OPEN-ENDED FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS. I MEAN, TO WHAT EXTENT DO PEOPLE HAVE TO, UM, DISCLOSE THEIR ECONOMIC INTEREST IN RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHERS? OKAY, I'M GONNA LOOK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY ON YEAH. SO WE CAN ADD, UM, SO THAT WOULD BE WHERE IT SAYS DISCLOSURE OF ECONOMIC INTEREST AND RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE MAYOR SLASH COUNT COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE CONSULTANT DURING THE PAST YEAR, PAST 12 MONTHS. YEAH. PAST. YEAH. I THINK THEY NORMALLY THAT'S WAY THEY NORMALLY PUT IT. YEAH. YEAH. DURING THE PAST 12 MONTHS, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I, I SEE A SOUR LOOK ON YOUR FACE. WELL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OUR CONTRACTS MINIMUM IS WHAT, 24 MONTHS, 36 MONTHS CONTRACTS. YEAH. THESE ARE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FROM OUR CONTRACTS. THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, YES. THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD APPLY TO THE CONSULTANTS AND YES. THE COUNT CONSULTANT CONTRACTS. UM, WELL, I THINK WE'VE SEEN A BROAD RANGE OF THOSE, UM, GOING FROM A YEAR TO MAYBE THREE YEARS. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT A DIFFERENT, WELL, I GUESS WHAT'S THE QUESTION RELATED TO THE TERM OF, OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENTS? MM-HMM. , YES. THEY'RE TYPICALLY TWO YEARS WITH, UH, THREE ONE YEAR EXTENSIONS OPTIONS FOR THREE ONE YEAR EXTENSIONS. UM, SOMETIMES THEY MAY BE A THREE YEAR OR FIVE YEAR, BUT THE, THE NORM IS A TWO YEAR, UH, BASE CONTRACT WITH THE OPTION FOR THREE ONE YEAR EXTENSIONS. THAT WOULDN'T APPLY TO US. SO THE ONLY, THE ONLY CAVEAT, AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN YES. I THINK WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT HERE. SO I THINK WHAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IS THAT YOUR, YOUR BUDGET WOULD BE FOR A YEAR. AND SO ANY EXPENDITURES OF FUNDS WOULD BE FOR THAT YEAR. SO THE QUESTION IS HOW FAR BACK FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE CONTRACT WOULD YOU WANT THE DISCLOSURE TO BE? UM, SO IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT A MINIMUM OF 12 MONTHS. AND I THINK, AS YOU SAID, I THINK THAT'S BEEN COMMON WHEN IT COMES TO DISCLOSURES IS A, A 12 MONTH PERIOD. SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IF YOU WANT ONE, IF, IF Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO TAKE A FORMAL VOTE OR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, BUT WOULD I WOULD JUST LIKE TO INCLUDE A TIMELINE IF WE GET CONSENSUS. WE'LL SEE. I MEAN, YOU OKAY. [02:55:02] I, I, I THINK WE GOT CONSENSUS THAT, THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, WITHIN THAT 12 MONTH PERIOD. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE ANOTHER, UM, QUESTION, UH, OR MORE LIKE A COMMENT. THIS IS REGARDING ITEM NUMBER F FOR REIMBURSEMENT PROCEDURE. MM-HMM. , I THINK I MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME. UM, UH, I DO THINK THAT WE DON'T, OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS NOT A STRONG, FAIR, STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT AND GETTING APPROVALS FOR THINGS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, CAN BE, UH, WEAPONIZED I THINK AS IT HAS BEEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. I MEAN, WE HAD A DISCUSSION LAST MEETING ABOUT A SHIRT. I, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW INEXPENSIVE THAT WAS, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS JUST REALLY JUST, UH, UH, KIND OF EMBARRASSING TO EVEN BRING UP. SO I THINK, I THINK TO UM, UH, AVOID THOSE, I THINK, I THINK IT'S, UH, GOOD TO SIMPLY GO THROUGH A TYPICAL REIMBURSEMENT PROCEDURE, UH, THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER. WELL, I'LL ADDRESS TO THAT A COUPLE THINGS. ONE THING, THE CITY MANAGER WORKS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND SO THAT'S, THAT PUTS THEM IN A ROUGH POSITION. THE SECOND THING IS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FOUND OUT WAS IN OUR ADMINISTRATIVE MANUAL, IT CLEARLY, UH, STATES THAT ALL DEPARTMENTS DEPARTMENT HEAD HAS TO APPROVE ALL INVOICES. AND, UH, SO, AND THE MAYOR'S CONSIDERED THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IN THE MAYOR MANAGER'S OFFICE. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO BE DIFFERENT THAN ALL OF OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS. AND THERE'S BEEN NO WEAPONIZATION. I KNOW YOU LIKE TO USE THAT TERM. UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION LAST TIME AS WHAT HAD BEEN THE FORMER POLICY, AND I JUST MENTIONED WHAT THE POLICY HAD BEEN, AND THEN YOU WERE CLAIMING THAT WAS WEAPONIZATION. UH, SO THERE WAS NO WEAPONIZATION AT ALL. AND, UH, UH, THERE HAS BEEN NO BIG PROBLEM WITH THIS. UM, THERE HAS BEEN OPPORTUNITIES IN THE PAST, UH, BOTH WITH MYSELF, WITH OTHER MAYORS TO WHERE SOMETIMES WE'VE TALKED WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND THEY WOULD CHANGE IT SOMEWHAT. UH, AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE WAS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE APPLYING FOR, UH, MEMBERSHIP WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, BUT THEY WERE PUTTING THEIR NAME AND THEIR HOME ADDRESS ON IT AND HAVING THE CITY PAY FOR IT, ALL WE DID WAS SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, IT'S NOT YOUR PERSONAL MONEY, SO IT SHOULDN'T BE YOUR PERSONAL ADDRESS. PUT DOWN COUNCIL MEMBER, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, AND THE CITY ADDRESS, AND THEN IT'S FINE. YOU KNOW, IT WAS SOMETHING ALONG THAT, THAT WAS QUITE A WHILE AGO. THERE WAS NO ONE HERE. AND SO, BUT I'M, I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE AND 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYONE HERE. AND SO IT WAS JUST THE IDEA OF BROUGHT UP, OKAY, FINE. AND WE JUST CHANGED THE FORM AND THEN IT WAS ALL GOOD. AND SO, AND NOTHING'S EVER SAID ABOUT IT. UH, AND SO, BUT IT'S JUST A SIMPLE FORM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES AND BUT TO KEEP US ALL, AS, YOU KNOW, OUT OF TROUBLE AND EVERYTHING ELSE SO THAT NO, NO DUMB THINGS HAPPEN. UM, AND I SAY IT HAS WORKED FOR DECADES HERE. AND SO I DON'T SEE ANY REASON, UH, TO CHANGE ON THAT. AND IT IS ACCORDING TO OUR ADMINISTRATIVE MANUAL, UM, AND OUR POLICIES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON THE BOOKS. SO, SO UN UNDER THAT, UM, KIND OF LINE OF THINKING WHO THEN APPROVES THE MAYOR'S BUDGET OR ANY PARTICULAR ITEMS. RIGHT. AND ACTUALLY EVEN ON THE, UH, UM, WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATIVE MANUAL, IT SAYS THE DEPARTMENT HEAD BASICALLY APPROVES THEIR OWN, BUT YOU STILL SEND IT UP TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR APPROVAL, BUT THE CITY MANAGER'S ALSO ACCOUNTABLE TO THE, TO THE MAYOR. BUT YEAH, THERE, THERE'S SOME POINT, THERE'S A ADDED CONFLICT AS WELL. YEAH. WELL, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SOME LEVEL, BUT IT, YOU TRY TO MINIMIZE IT AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S THE SITUATION THERE. SO JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN FIND SOME LITTLE AREA DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU JUST THROW EVERYTHING OUT. WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S A LITTLE AREA. I THINK IT'S A BIG AREA. YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, IN THE MAIN AREA, AND I'LL SAY, I'LL BE GLAD TO SHOW YOU ALL MY EXPENDITURES. I HAVE NO PROBLEM IF YOU GUYS GOT A PROBLEM WITH THEM. FINE. AND SO THAT'S MINE ARE AN OPEN RECORD. AND SO MR. MAYOR, I THINK IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT HOW WE ADDRESS THIS. RIGHT. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT KIND OF BACK AND FORTH. UM, I THINK I KNOW THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DISCUSS THIS LENGTHLY MM-HMM. , UM, I, I, UH, UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONCERN OF COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ, AND I THINK WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THAT. I THINK IT CAME UP, BUT THEN BECAUSE WE, WE WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO MAKE THESE THINGS WORK OUT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS A SUBCOMMITTEE THERE, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO COME TO A, TO A CONSIDERATION MM-HMM. OF THIS ONE. BUT WE MISS THAT PART OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH YOUR EXPENDITURE. UM, I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT IS BEING RAISED RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S NOT A MATTER OF I'LL SEE YOU, MY EXPENDITURES, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. LET'S NOT GO THERE. LET'S, LET'S TAKE CARE OF THIS QUESTION. HOW ARE WE GONNA ADDRESS THAT? MM-HMM, [03:00:01] . OKAY. WHAT'S YOUR SUGGESTION? COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ? YEAH, I, I JUST, UM, SO JUST PUTTING AN EXAMPLE AS THE SHIRTS, LET'S SAY THAT WHOEVER GETS TO BE VICE MAYOR ORDERS SHIRTS THAT ARE, YOU HAVE ONE TOO. YOU SHOW IT. I'VE NEVER HAD ONE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU SEE ME WITH ONE, YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW. UM, BUT, UH, IF THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE MAYOR WERE TO DISAGREE THAT SOMEBODY WERE TO HAVE A VICE SHIRT, THEN, THEN THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE AND THEN THAT GETS TAKEN TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THEN BROUGHT TO ACCOUNT. IT'S JUST, OH. SO I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE TO MINIMIZE THOSE PARTICULAR SMALL ISSUES, PETTY ISSUES, MAYBE THE FIGURE COULD BE A LITTLE LARGER. SO INSTEAD OF THE TWO 50 WHERE, YOU KNOW, SHIRTS AND SOME, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING, UH, WOULDN'T BE SCRUTINIZED AS HEAVILY AS, LET'S SAY THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A CONFERENCE SOMEWHERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WOULD REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, FLIGHT AND, AND A HOTEL STAY. I MEAN, MAYBE THAT'S MORE REASONABLE TO BE, UM, APPROVED BY THE MAYOR OR SIGNED OFF BY THE MAYOR. BUT I, I I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT MOVED THE 250 THOUGH. THE, THE, HOW THE MAYOR WILL, WILL, UM, GET APPROVAL ON HIS REIMBURSEMENTS. RIGHT. I, BECAUSE WE HAVE A, UH, KIND OF A, UH, A CONSIDERATION HERE FOR US. FOUR. THERE'S A MINIMUM AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO THAT, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT TOPIC. LET'S FINISH YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HOW WILL THE MAYOR GET APPROVAL OF HIS, UM, EXPENDITURES. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO TACKLE FIRST FOR YOUR QUESTION. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS, ARE WE WILLING TO INCREASE THAT AMOUNT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CONSIDERED AS SUBCOMMITTEE? CAN WE TAKE CARE OF THAT SO THEN WE CAN FINISH? 'CAUSE WE HAVE BUDGET. I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS. YEAH. SO WE HAVE A PRO A POLICY, OR WE HAVE A PROCEDURE FOR HOW, UH, ARE YOU, MS. YA OR MR. RODRIGUEZ SUGGESTING THAT, THAT GET CHANGED FROM WHAT THE MAYOR HAD ALREADY DESCRIBED? RIGHT NOW THE POLICY IS IT GOES TO THE CITY MANAGER MM-HMM. FOR APPROVAL. AND ALTHOUGH, UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ARGUMENT ABOUT, OKAY, WELL WHY, IF THE CITY MANAGER IS EMPLOYED BY THE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT THEN MAYOR SAID, WELL THEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MINIMIZING THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT THERE IS INEVITABLE MM-HMM. TIMES WHEN THAT IS THE WAY IT HAS TO HAPPEN. SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THAT CHANGE? NO, NO, THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION HERE. THE QUESTION IS, COUNCIL MEMBER IS, IS ASKING HOW WILL THE, THE MAYOR, UM, GET HIS REIMBURSEMENTS APPROVED BECAUSE THE FOUR OF US WILL GO TO THE MAYOR. THAT WAS A CONSIDERATION THAT WE HAVE. WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING. WE'RE DOING, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL DOING THIS POLICY. WE'RE STILL, UM, YOU, I MEAN, UM, DRAFT, I UNDERSTAND THAT DRAFTING THIS POLICY, WE HAVE A PROCESS, BUT NO, WE MISSED THAT PROCESS. THAT'S THE QUESTION OF COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ. HOW WILL THE MAYOR DO HIS REIMBURSEMENTS WILL, BECAUSE WILL HE, IT WILL GO TO HIM? OR WILL IT GO TO THE, TO THE, UH, CITY MANAGER? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIX RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. IT SOUNDS LIKE UNDER HERE, UNDER THIS PROPOSAL THAT THE MAYOR WOULD APPROVE HIS OWN, UM, REIMBURSEMENTS UNDER SECTION F. BUT I THINK THE QUESTION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ BROUGHT UP IS, IS THERE ANOTHER LAYER OF ACCOUNTABILITY? AND IF THAT'S A QUESTION, THEN I THINK ONE IDEA COULD BE, MAYBE IT'S JUST THE VICE MAYOR. SO IT'S, UM, SO IT'S JUST SIMPLE. IF, IF THAT'S THE, UM, CONCERN BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THE CITY MANAGER DOES HAVE TO REVIEW OR PROCESS THE MAYOR'S EXPENDITURES NO MATTER WHAT. RIGHT. WELL, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING. AND I HAVE NO, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HAVING, NOW THE POLICY ACTUALLY SAYS THE DEPARTMENT HEADS DO THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, BUT IN THIS CASE, I'VE ALWAYS, I'VE ALWAYS, UH, SENT IT ON AND HAVE THE CITY MANAGER SIGN OFF ON THEM. MM-HMM. , IF IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT TO ME, I DON'T HAVE THAT MANY REIMBURSEMENTS. BUT IF I DO, I HAVE, I HAVE THE CITY MANAGER SIGN OFF ON THEM. UH, BUT ACTUALLY THE POLICY SAYS THE DEPARTMENT HEAD DOES SIGNS OFF THEIR OWN. UH, YOU KNOW, BUT, SO I, I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE AN EXTRA DEAL OF ACCOUNTABILITY. UH, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE DEAL IS IF THE CITY MANAGER IN CONSULTATION WITH THE VICE MAYOR OKAY. SIGNS OFF OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE, WHOEVER IS, DOES THAT SOUND, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ? I MEAN YEP. I LIKE THE IDEA OF EVERYBODY. OKAY. WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. HAVING THIS FORM OF CHECK AND BOUNDARIES. WAIT, THAT'S FINE. WHAT DO ALL THINK THAT WILL BE ADDED, BUT YEAH. BUT IT WOULD BE A CONSULTATION WITH THE VICE MAYOR, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE THE CITY MANAGER. BUT THAT GIVES CITY MANAGER SOME PROTECTION. YES. AND YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. DID THIS CITY MANAGER, THE STAFF GET THAT UNDER SECTION F? DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE, DID, [03:05:01] DID WHAT? I JUST SAY ATTORNEY MAKE SENSE, MR. CITY ATTORNEY? YEAH. I THINK WE HAVE TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY THE MAYOR. OKAY. MAYOR REQUESTED REIMBURSEMENT. SO, MM-HMM. , WE CAN, THAT'S EASY. MM-HMM. . BUT THE IDEA IS THAT YOUR REIMBURSEMENT REQUEST WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE VICE MAYOR. MM-HMM. AND CITY MANAGER. WELL, IT WOULD BE BY THE CITY MANAGER IN CONSULTATION WITH THE, WITH THE VICE MAYOR. YEAH. I WOULD ESSENTIALLY REVIEW THE ITEM WITH THE VICE MAYOR, WHOEVER THE VICE MAYOR. THE VICE MAYOR WITH INITIAL, AND THEN I WOULD SIGN. YEAH. OKAY. I HAVE NO PROBLEM. SO THE SECOND ITEM THAT WAS RAISED, MR. MAYOR, IS THE AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, THE 250 EITHER, UH, IS THERE, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S STRUCK OUT BECAUSE THE, THE POLICY SAYS THAT ALL PURCHASES WILL BE, UH OH, UH, WILL BE APPROVED BY THE, THE, UH, UM, BUT THERE'S NO MORE THAT AMOUNT. RIGHT, RIGHT. WE FOUGHT HARD FOR THAT . I KNOW IT. BUT THAT, THAT, THAT WAS WHAT, THAT WAS THE POLICY I SHOWED YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WE HAVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE MANUAL. I'M TELLING YOU, WE WERE, WE WERE DOING OUR ITIES. I KNOW. AND, AND, AND I'LL GO BACK TO THAT EXAMPLE OF THE, UH, UH, THE MEMBERSHIP AT THE, UH, CHAMBER. IT WAS A HUNDRED DOLLARS, BUT BECAUSE WE CAUGHT IT, BECAUSE THERE WAS A CHECKS AND BALANCE, AND THEN IT WAS A REAL QUICK CORRECTION AND IT WAS DONE. NOTHING WAS EVER SAID. NO ONE'S, NO ONE HAD NEVER BROUGHT OUT IN THE OPEN NEVER WEAPONIZED OR ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. IT WAS JUST, IT WAS JUST TAKEN CARE OF BECAUSE IT WAS JUST MADE RIGHT. AND THEN EVERYONE WENT ON AND EVERYONE, EVERYONE MADE WHOLE. SO, WHEN DO WE HAVE THAT? THAT'S IT'S ALREADY STRICKEN. IT'S ALREADY STRICKEN OUT. OKAY. OKAY. I DIDN'T HAVE, YEAH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE, THE REVISED WHEN THEY PUT OUT. UH, THANK YOU. 'CAUSE THAT ONE DIDN'T CARRY OVER ALL THE, THE STUFF. GOT IT. MAYOR, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ANOTHER, UM, SUGGESTIONS FOR, UM, TO INCORPORATE ON THE PRE-APPROVED CONFERENCES. UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD CONFERENCES OUTTA THESE, UH, ORGANIZATIONS. MM-HMM. , UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ON THIS, THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION. I THINK THEY DO GREAT WORK. THEY DO A LOT OF CONFERENCES LOCALLY AND, UM, NATIONWIDE. THAT COULD BE GOOD, UM, FOR ANY ONE OF US TO ATTEND. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT ONE. THE, UH, YOU KNOW, MOST ORGANIZATIONS HAVE AN APPROVED LIST OF ONES THAT ARE VERY SPECIFIC TO THEIR FUNCTION. AND THEN I KNOW, LIKE SWEETWATER AUTHORITY DOES, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP, WE HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR APPROVAL. AND IT'S NORMALLY NOT A BIG DEAL AS LONG AS YOU SHOW THAT THERE'S A CONNECTION. AND, UH, BUT, UH, UH, A PA, THE, UH, AMERICAN, UH, PLANNING ASSOCIATION, OH, IT'S RIGHT HERE. IT, IS IT ON THERE? NO, NO, NO, NO. THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION. PUBLIC WORKS ON PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION WORKS. A-P-W-A-P. W-A-A-P-W-A. YES. YES. YEAH. AND, AND I SAY THEY DO HAVE, UH, NUMBER DEALS BOTH LOCALLY AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO I SAY, I, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, UH, AN APPROPRIATE ADDITION. EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? YEP. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO ADD ONE TO THE VEHICLE FOR CHANGE. ONE, I BROUGHT IT UP VERBALLY AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT, UM, UH, YEAH, SO I'D LIKE THAT ADDED TOO. SO THAT WAS THE TRIP TO ALBUQUERQUE. WHAT'S THAT NOW? VEHICLES FOR CHANGE. THAT'S A NEW GROUP. SO I FOR CHANGE. YEAH. SO THAT'S THE COMMUNITY POLICING ONE. MM-HMM. . YEAH. I'M, I'M HERE FOR A QUESTION THAT, THAT'S THE ALBUQUERQUE TRIP. UM, YEAH. I AM VERY, VERY POSITIVE FOR THE WHOLE LOW RIDING SITUATION, AND I'M ONE OF THEIR SUPPORTERS, FINANCIAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE. UH, I JUST, THE IDEA OF DOING THIS IS THREE YEARS IN A ROW THAT WE'VE SENT A GROUP BACK TO THE, THE CAR SHOW AND STUFF AT, UH, ALBUQUERQUE. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THESE REALLY NEED TO BE GOVERNMENT TIED AND THEN INDIVIDUAL ONES THAT MAY HAVE SOME REFERENCE, YOU KNOW, MORE INDIRECT REFERENCE, THOSE ARE THE ONES YOU BRING THE AGENDA AND EVERYTHING BEFORE THE COUNCIL. JUST AS WE HAVE TO BRING AGENDAS AT THE WATER AUTHORITY AND DIFFERENT ONES ON THAT LINE TO SHOW WHAT THE TIE IN IS. AND THEN IT GETS APPROVED ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS. BUT I THINK IF IT'S NOT A GOVERNMENT RELATED ONE, THEN I, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP THESE GOVERNMENT DIRECTLY RELATED IS YES. THIS IS LITERALLY HOSTED BY THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO. AND WE JUST DID ALSO, BY THE WAY, THANK YOU FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE JUST DID A PROCLAMATION TO THE CITY. ITS ATTENDEES ARE FROM DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT I DON'T THINK THESE THINGS, LIKE, AGAIN, THIS IS A GOVERNMENT CONFERENCE, SO I THINK THAT COUNTS. AND IF YOU'RE SAYING WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THREE YEARS, YOU GO EVERY SINGLE YEAR TO A LOT OF CONFERENCES WRONG, SO OH, YEAH. GOVERNMENT CONFERENCES, YES. AND, UH, BUT WELL, THIS WAS A GOVERNMENT CONFERENCE. UH, WELL, NO, THIS IS PUT ON BY A GOVERNMENT AND THEIR TOURISM BUREAU TO GET PEOPLE TO COME THERE THAT MAKES, MAKES MONEY FOR THEM. AND SO I, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND, UH, BUT AS I SAY, BUT IT'S NOT A GOVERNMENT CONFERENCE [03:10:01] AS OPPOSED TO A GOVERNMENT PUTTING IT ON. AND IT WOULD BE LIKE THE INDIANAPOLIS, YOU KNOW, HAVING A DEAL AT THE SPEEDWAY. AND SO EVERYONE COMES TO THE INDIANAPOLIS 500 BECAUSE IT BRINGS A LOT OF, LOT OF MONEY INTO THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS. BUT THAT'S NOT A GOVERNMENT. MAYBE WE SHOULD CALL A VOTE ON THIS, ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. THEN I WOULD ALSO ARGUE THAT IF WE PLAN ON BRINGING A RACE WAVE, MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. AND A GOOD GOVERNMENT, I'M JUST SAYING. WELL, YEAH, BUT, AND I WOULD TOO. I WOULD SAY WE WERE LOOKING AT IT, THEN WE WOULD WANT TO GO AND EXPLORE IT. BUT TO POINT, TO DO IT ON A YEARLY, A YEARLY BASIS, I THINK IS A BIT MUCH, MR. MAYOR, I THINK I DO THINK WE'VE, WE'VE TRANSFORMED OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR MM-HMM. WRITER COMMUNITY. I THINK WE HAVE, WE HAVE A CITY THAT'S BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF IT. SO I I I, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST VOTE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OH, WE JUST VOTE ON IT. OKAY. UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THE, UM, VEHICLES FOR CHANGE, UH, COMMUNITY POLICE LOW RIDING, UH, CONFERENCE SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND CAN I HAVE A COMMENT? SO NOW THIS, OKAY. YEAH. WE CAN HAVE COMMENT NOW. THIS WOULD BE FOR AUTOMATIC, SO YOU COULD AUTOMATICALLY DO THIS. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO BRING IT BEFORE THE COUNCIL, UH, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO THIS WOULD BE, ANYONE COULD GO AUTOMATICALLY AND, UM, AT, AT CITY EXPENSE, UM, COMMENT. YOU, YOU SAY, OKAY, MAYOR, I, I, I SEE YOU LOOKING AT ME, SO I KNOW YOU'RE WANT YEAH. 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT STOPPING. NO PROBLEM. OKAY. UM, SO I THINK THIS VEHICLES FOR CHANGE IS CLOSE TO YOU. I, AND DEAR HEART, DEAR HEART OF ABSOLUTELY OUR COUNCIL MEMBER BECAUSE OF THE, THE, UM, ADVOCACY THAT HE DID. BUT I THINK THAT, UM, YOU, I, AND MAYBE TO, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A CONSOLATION, MAYBE YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH YOU PEG A A PRICE, SO THEN HE, HE CAN, UM, HE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . WELL, I'M OKAY WITH THAT AS LONG AS WE, WE DO THAT FOR EVERYONE ELSE. AND I'M BEING TREATED PEG AN AMOUNT MAYOR, LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE? THREE OR FIVE. BUT EVEN, BUT EVEN EVEN THAT, I'M JUST LIKE, WHY ARE, WHY ARE WE LIMITING? SO WHEN, LIKE, I, I THINK THAT IT'S FINE FOR POLICE, MULTIPLE PEOPLE GO ON CONFERENCES. LIKE WE HAVE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. LIKE I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHY THERE'S THIS RESTRICTION. LIKE, I, I JUST DON'T SEE WHY THIS IS BEING TREATED SO DIFFERENTLY. AND BY THE WAY, THIS COMMUNITY HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN TREATED DIFFERENTLY. AND SO I THINK EVEN THE MAYOR, YOU CAN SAY YOU SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY ALL YOU WANT, BUT YOU'RE REALLY NOT BECAUSE THE LEVEL OF SCRUTINY YOU'RE GIVING, THIS IS WAY DIFFERENT THAN ANY SCRUTINY YOU'RE GIVING IN ANY OF THE OTHER CONFERENCES THAT YOU ATTEND EVERY YEAR. I, I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PUT A, UH, A COMPROMISE. SO THEN EVERYBODY WILL NOT HAVE A HEARTACHE MM-HMM. . SO, UM, IF WE JUST HAVE TO BE, UM, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, I MEANS JUST, JUST FOR COMPROMISE, THAT'S ALL I WANT. AND, AND I'M OKAY WITH COMPROMISE. IF IT, IF THERE'S SOME LOGIC, YOU KNOW, BE BEHIND IT. AND IF IT, IF THERE'S, TO ME, UH, THIS IS BEING TREATED VERY DIFFERENTLY. I'M NOT VERY WILLING TO COMPROMISE UNLESS I'M GIVEN THIS LEGITIMATE, VALID REASON WHY, WHY NOT? SO WELL, YEAH. AND I MADE A, I MADE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND ON IT. OKAY. WE CAN ALSO JUST VOTE IT DOWN. THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR. THIS, THESE ARE PRE-APPROVED CONFERENCES FOR YOU TO USE YOUR COUNSEL BUDGET FOR IT. RIGHT. SO WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE FROM CPRC FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MM-HMM. OR ANYBODY ELSE GOES TO THIS CONFERENCE THAT'S NOT COVERED BY THIS POLICY. RIGHT? OKAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, AND THIS DOES NOT MEAN THESE ARE THE ONLY CONFERENCES YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GO TO. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BRING UP, YOU BRING AN AGENDA, AND THIS IS WHAT'S DONE AT OTHER AGENCIES. AND, AND I KNOW WE SIT ON A NUMBER OF THEM AND THEY, THEY CONSTANTLY BRING UP SAYS, OKAY, HERE'S THIS CONFERENCE AND HERE'S THE, THE AGENDA FOR IT. AND THAT'S PUT ON OUR AGENDA. WE LOOK AT IT AND WE SAY, OKAY. AND 99% OF THE TIME WE SAY YES, BECAUSE IT IS A GOVERNMENT THAT'S RELATED TO WHATEVER THAT AGENCY IS. UM, AND SO, UM, AND I'M WILLING TO PUT THAT, IF THAT'S YOUR COMPROMISE, THAT WE, UM, PUT, YOU KNOW, THE AGENDAS. I MEAN, THEN I CAN GIVE YOU THE AGENDA. WE DID THAT. I MEAN, FOR TWO, TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE CONFERENCE, WE HAD THE AGENDA POST. I SENT IT TO YOU. AND, AND WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 'CAUSE THESE ARE JUST SAYING YOU AUTOMATICALLY DO IT REGARDLESS IF THERE HAS, YOU KNOW, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOVERNMENT AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO, UH, BY DOING THAT, THERE, THERE IS SOME SCRUTINY. THE OTHER ONES THAT WE HAVE IN HERE ARE PURELY GOVERNMENTAL DEAL WITH GO THE WORKING OF GOVERNMENT. AND YOU KNOW, I I, THERE'S A D COMMUNITY DIFFERENCES. SD EPA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOVERNMENT. THAT IS, THAT IS A TRADE. SO THAT YOU, YOU SEE, THIS IS, AGAIN, YOU GUYS ARE TREATING THIS DIFFERENTLY. I DON'T LIKE THAT A-S-D-A-P-A, WELL, AT LEAST RON IS, OKAY, SO THE MAYOR IS SAN DIEGO. AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION, OR AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION IS A PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION. IT DOES NOT A GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATION. SO [03:15:01] THAT IS BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN AN ACTUAL GOVERNMENTAL SPONSORED CONFERENCE THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH LOW RIDER AND IT'S WITH POLICE. OKAY. I DIDN'T SAY GOVERNMENT SPONSORED, BUT IT DEALS WITH THE WORK THAT WE DO AS A GOVERNMENT DIRECTLY, NOT INDIRECTLY. YES. AND WHAT WE GO TO WHEN IT'S WITH THE LOW RIDER COMMUNITY, THAT IS ALSO DIRECTLY, SO IT'S WHETHER IT'S, AGAIN, THE POLICE, THE POLICE, AND THE YOUTH, IT'S REPEALING OF THE ORDINANCES, IT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HOW MUCH THAT BRINGS IN. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT TOPICS. AND I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, TO SHARE ALL OF THOSE MATERIALS INTO A PRESENTATION. IT'S POTENTIAL FOR A LOW WRITER MUSEUM ONE DAY IN THIS CITY. LIKE, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT TOPICS THAT HAVE A PUBLIC I LOVE YOUR ENTHUSIASM. BELIEVE ME. I DO. AND I, AND YOUR LOVE FOR IT. BELIEVE ME. I DO APPRECIATE THAT, MR. MAYOR, I THINK OUR COUNCIL HAD CLARIFIED THAT, THAT MATTER WITH REGARDS TO COST. SO LET'S, I WOULD, I WOULD COMFORT THE MEMBER, ALIA. OH, SORRY. UM, SO I, I JUST, UM, I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS ARGUMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS CONSIDERED A GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSE TYPE OF VISIT, AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE OTHERWISE A AND, UM, THE IDEA THAT POPPED IN MY HEAD IS, UM, THE SISTER CITY RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, I BELIEVE, UM, THE CITY OF LANGA PO IN THE PHILIPPINES IS OUR SISTER CITY. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. UM, AND, AND IT SORT OF FEELS LIKE MAYBE SOME OF THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ALBUQUERQUE CONFERENCE BECAUSE OF THE RECENT EVENTS FOR REPEALING THE ORDINANCE FOR, UM, ALBUQUERQUE, FOR, UH, LOW RIDING. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE THIS, THIS IDEA, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MAYBE LIKE A SISTER CITY TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP WITH ALBUQUERQUE, ALTHOUGH IT ISN'T CALLED THAT. RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE A SISTER CITY TYPE OF THING. BUT NOW I'M THINKING, WELL, WHY ISN'T AN ANNUAL VISIT OR UM, BIANNUAL VISIT TO ALONG PO HOUR SISTER CITY A PART OF THIS TYPE OF LIST? ON THIS LIST? YOU COULD, IF YOU MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU MAKE IT, UH, STRICTLY GOVERNMENTAL BUSINESS, I GO OVER THERE YEARLY, BUT I PAY FOR THAT MYSELF SO THAT NOT OUT OF CITY FUNDS. SO, AND, UH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SEPARATE. BUT THAT, BUT THAT, BUT THAT IS ONE THAT SOME CITIES COUNCIL MEMBERS DO GO TO SISTER CITIES AND, BUT THEY DO IT. AND, AND, BUT ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT, I HATE TO USE THE TERM, BUT WE GET AWAY FROM THE IDEA OF BEING JUNKETS. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON WHY THERE NEEDS TO BE LIKE AN AGENDA AND ALL THIS TYPE OF STUFF SO THAT YOU SHOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING THAT'S ACTUALLY GOVERNMENTAL RELATED AND NOT JUST GOING FOR THE SAKE OF GOING, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DUNNO HOW ELSE TO PUT THAT. UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT UNDER, I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY ASKING TO PUT A VISIT TO A LONG PO ON THIS LIST. I'M JUST TRYING TO RELATE IT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO SOMETHING, I GUESS MAYBE MORE CONCRETE. MM-HMM. AS FAR AS A RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS OTHER CITY. MM-HMM. . UM, THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE IS IF THIS CONFERENCE AT ALBUQUERQUE WERE TO BE, NOT AT ALBUQUERQUE, BUT LIKE, MAYBE IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION, LIKE IF IT BECAME, IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT MOVES AROUND, WHICH THEY HAVE, LIKE THE CITY OF OLE AND KANSAS, THAT'S WHERE YEAH. NEXT YEAR THEY HAVE IT. IT'S, SO IT'S IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION NEXT YEAR BY FOR, BY THE WAY. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK IS MM-HMM. , IS IT THAT IT'S A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE? OR IS IT JUST THE CONFERENCE ITSELF? AND IF THE CONFERENCE WERE TO MOVE TO SEATTLE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THE CONFERENCE IS LISTED ON THIS LIST, THAT MEANS THEN THE TRIP WOULD BE TO SEATTLE, NOT, WHICH IS WHY THE, THE ORG, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY IT'S VEHICLES FOR CHANGE. SO THAT, THAT'S THE OVERALL SPONSORING. BUT THE, BUT THE FUNDING, THE, SO FAR WHAT IT'S BEEN HAS BEEN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, BUT WE ALSO SPONSORED, UH, THEM COMING OVER HERE. THERE WASN'T MANY, UM, MUCH EXPENDITURES, A LITTLE BIT OF, OF STAFF TIME. MM-HMM. , UH, WHEN WE HAD THE VEHICLES FOR CHANGE CONFERENCE HERE IN DECEMBER, UH, WHEN WE HAD A CELEBRATION OF APPEAL, OUR ORDINANCE, UH, MAYOR WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT. SO WE HAD A COUPLE OF SESSIONS. SO THAT WAS SPONSORED BY THE CITY. IT, IT IS JUST A TURNOUT. WASN'T THAT, LIKE, IT WASN'T AS ORGANIZED, LIKE THERE WASN'T AN ACCOMPANYING CAR SHOW. SO, BUT THAT, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HOSTED HERE FOR THAT, A LOT OF IT WAS ON INTERNET. YEAH. RIGHT. AND OLATHE, KANSAS, UH, NEXT YEAR IS WHAT'S BEING, UH, PROPOSED IN ADDITION TO, UM, TO THEIR, EVERY, EVERY YEAR THEY DO THE ALBUQUERQUE, BUT THIS TIME THEY AHA. WHERE, UH, THAT FOCUSES ON MORE OF THE YOUTH BIKE PROGRAM AND THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE POLICE, SIR? YES. VOTE FOR THE VOTE, PLEASE. OKAY. WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, AND THIS IS TO INCLUDE THE CONFERENCE FOR CHANGE, VEHICLES FOR [03:20:01] CHANGE, VEHICLES FOR CHANGE AS A AUTOMATIC, UH, APPROVED ITEM. OKAY. WITH THAT, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES BY FOUR TO ONE VOTE. WHAT? I, SORRY. WE, WE VOTE AND WE GO ON WEAPONIZING. YEAH. OH MY GOSH. NOW EVERY, NOBODY'S ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OPINION WITHOUT IT BEING WEAPONIZING ACCORDING TO YOU. GOSH, , YOU GOT THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE. I, I, I WILL SAY FOR, UH, GETTING BACK TO F ON THE, UH, REIMBURSEMENTS, WE ALREADY KIND OF HASH THAT OUT, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT, UM, I, I THINK, I THINK WE WERE PRETTY MUCH LIKE DONE WITH THE CHANGES TO F BUT, UH, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, THAT THE WEAPONIZATION PART, UM, WHERE I SAW IT, AND IT WASN'T NECESSARILY WITH YOU MAYOR, BUT YOUR PREDECESSOR AGAINST COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ. I ACTUALLY DID SEE MM-HMM. , UH, SPECIFICALLY WHAT I SAW WAS A DELAY IN HIS RECEIPTS BEING APPROVED. JUST VERY SO THAT, AND THAT THE, YOUR PREDECESSOR LIKE HELD ONTO THAT. AND I REMEMBER SEEING THAT MYSELF. AND I THINK THAT THIS POLICY , I'M SORRY, I HAD MY, SO YOU HAD YOURS TOO. SO, SO I'M JUST SPEAKING TO HIS POINT ABOUT THE WEAPONIZATION, AND I THINK THAT IN THIS POLICY, THE 24 HOURS, I THINK THAT WILL HELP PREVENT THAT. AND THEN THERE'S, IT SHOULD BE IN A TIMELY FASHION. YEAH. AND, AND ALSO THERE, THERE'S JUST MORE HERE ON WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE. AND SO I THINK ALL OF OUR, SO I, I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE PARAMETERS ON PERSONNEL, ON GOVERNMENT PURPOSES ON TRAINING. SO NOW THAT WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT BEFORE. SO NOW THAT WE HAVE IT, UM, THE MAYOR KINDA OF ASKED TO DO THIS, AND IF HE DOESN'T THAT, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S AN ISSUE. THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS, WE'VE FINALLY GOT THIS THING TOGETHER, IT'S GOT A YEAR LATE, BUT WE GOT IT TOGETHER AND NOW, BUT IT COMES UP FOR YEARLY REVIEW. SO IF, AS DURING THIS YEAR, IF WE SEE THINGS, WHATEVER, AND THEN WE CAN ADJUST IT AT THAT POINT. OR IF IT'S LIKE, IT COULD BE A POLICY 1 0 5 REQUEST. IF, IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF URGENT NEED TO DO IT BEFORE YEAH. IF IT, IF IT'S, YEAH. IF IT'S SOME TYPE OF, YEAH. SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY SIGNIFICANT. ALRIGHT, SO WITH THAT, DO WE NEED TO HAVE A VOTE FOR THE APPROVE THE REST? OKAY. SO WE HAVE MAYOR, I, MAYOR, I'M SORRY. THE CHANGES. MAYOR, I JUST, ONE OTHER MINOR REVISION. IT'S MINOR. IT APPEARS THE SD A PA IS A SUBSECTION OF SUBSECTION OF THE A PA. SO I, IT, IT'S MINOR, BUT YOU COULD STRIKE THAT AND JUST KEEP A PA, IT'S, IT'S A SUB. I WOULD SAY DO THAT. JUST KEEP AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION TO KEEP IT SIMPLE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THAT WOULD, THEY'RE AFFILIATED IS WHAT I'M SAYING. WHICH ONE IS THE SD A PA IS A SUB IS A SAN DIEGO ONE A P, IT'S A SAN DIEGO. THAT'S ALL. IT'S BRANCH OF THE A PA. YES. OKAY. SO YOU WANT TO DELETE S-D-A-P-A. OH, BY KEEPING A PA YOU'RE COVERING ALL A P YOU'RE COVERING. GOT IT. YEAH. OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. I'LL KNOCK DOWN ANY CONFUSION. NOT A GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION, BUT YEAH. ANYWAY. OKAY. OKAY. SO CAN I JUST SUMMARIZE THE CHANGES? SURE, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M OVER THE REVISED ONE. YES. YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT THE REVISED. OKAY. LISTEN UP EVERYONE. I'M WORKING OFF OF THE REVISED, UH, EXHIBIT B. AND THE CHANGES TO THAT WOULD BE THAT UNDER POLICY, IT'LL SAY EACH COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE MAYOR MUST SUBMIT AN ANNUAL APPROPRIATIONS REQUEST. MM-HMM. . THE NEXT CHANGE IS, UM, UNDER, UNDER THE DISCUSSION OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WHERE WE TALK ABOUT, UM, COUNCIL REVIEW, AND THERE IS THE REQUIREMENT THAT THERE'S A DISCLOSURE OF ECONOMIC INTEREST AND RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE MAYOR SLASH COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE CONSULTANT. AND WE WOULD ADD DURING THE PAST 12 MONTHS, PRECEDING 12 MONTHS, YES. PROCEEDING. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN UNDER F UNDER THE REIMBURSEMENT PROCEDURE, WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE A PROCESS FOR THE MAYOR'S REIMBURSEMENTS TO BE, UM, REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER IN CONSULTATION WITH THE VICE MAYOR. AND, UH, WE WILL ADD LANGUAGE THAT THIS POLICY SHALL BE REVIEWED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. MM-HMM. . AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO THE PRE-APPROVED CONFERENCES, WE'RE DELETING S-D-A-P-A, WE'RE ADDING AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION CONFERENCES. OKAY. UH, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REGIONAL COUNCILS. MM-HMM. AND VEHICLE FOR CHANGE. OKAY. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD BE VOTING TO APPROVE TONIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT? SO I WANT THEM TO [03:25:01] MOVE, MOVE IT THE NON COMMITTEE MEMBERS. AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IF, IF A, UM, AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, ONE OF US WANTS TO, UM, ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF X BILL IN SACRAMENTO, WHAT, I'M SORRY. IF A, IF ONE OF US, IF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WANTS TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF A BILL MM-HMM. SOMEWHERE, RIGHT. UM, DOES THAT COME TO COUNSEL ACCORDING TO THIS POLICY? HOW DOES THAT WORK? THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. HOW I INTERPRET THIS AS TRAVEL IS, IS SEPARATE. AND THAT'S, AND THEN THAT'S KIND OF, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED. TRAVEL NORMALLY DOESN'T EVEN COME UNTIL THERE'S THE INVOICE, WHICH COMES AFTERWARDS. SO IT'S DIFFERENT THAN A PURCHASE. AND, UH, SO THAT'S, YEAH. SO IT'S A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT I JUST WANT CLARITY. OKAY. THAT'S, AND THE OTHER THING IS, A LOT OF TIMES THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, ADVOCACY TIME, THEY KIND OF HAPPENED MORE ON THE SPUR. I MEAN, KNOWING HOW STUFF, YOU DON'T HAVE A BIG TIME, TIME LAG AS YOU DO LIKE WITH A CONFERENCE. MM-HMM. . UM, SO I JUST WANT TO GET CLARITY, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY. GREAT QUESTION. YEAH. SO I, I'M LOOKING AT IT AND IF YOU, IF YOU ARE SUBMITTING A REIMBURSEMENT FOR TRAVEL, THEN IT WOULD BE UNDER THE TRAVEL SECTION. AND THIS SAYS THESE EXPENDITURES ARE FOR CONFERENCES OR TRAINING, REGISTRATION FEES, TRAVEL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH GETTING TO THE TRAINING OR CONFERENCE AND LODGING AND MEALS DURING THE TRAINING AND CONFERENCE. SO THIS SECTION ASSUMES THAT THE TRAVEL IS RELATED TO CONFERENCES AND TRAINING. MM-HMM. NOT ADVOCACY. NOT ADVOCACY. MM-HMM. ADVOCACY IS DIFFERENT. SO IT WOULD NOT BE COVERED. SO I, I WOULD SAY UNDER THIS POLICY, IT WOULD NOT BE COVERED. MM-HMM. . I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FEEL ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, IT'S GOOD FOR CLARITY'S SAKE. MM-HMM. . BUT I THINK THERE'S, I MEAN, JUST LIKE THINKING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT LIKING HOUSING BILLS. MM-HMM. . RIGHT. YOU WANNA ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF A BILL. MM-HMM. OR AGAINST IT. MM-HMM. . RIGHT. WELL, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THAT, THEN I THINK THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM. WELL, IT'S, IT'S THE EXPENDITURE OF YOUR COUNCIL BUDGET, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO THE QUESTION FOR YOU AS A POLICY MATTER IS, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO USE PUBLIC MONIES TO SUPPORT YOUR ADVOCACY UP IN SACRAMENTO? MM-HMM. NOW I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST ADD TO THIS SCENARIO IS THAT I'M ASSUMING THAT YOUR ADVOCACY WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SUPPORTED BY THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE VERSUS YOU INDIVIDUALLY WANTING TO ADVOCATE FOR A PARTICULAR BILL IN YOUR OWN INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY, NOT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. I MEAN, I THINK, UH, I SEE THE POINT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT INDIVIDUALS THAT MIGHT BE, UM, ON THE SHORT END OF THE VOTE TO ADVOCATE FOR THEIR POSITION. I AGREE. AND, AND, AND JUST TO POINT OUT, LIKE MAYOR MORRISON'S POSITION, WELL, WE PROBABLY DISAGREE ON HOUSING BILLS, RIGHT? IF YOU SOME, IF, IF ON SOME HOUSING BILLS, IF YOU WANT TO ADVOCATE AGAINST A BILL THAT I'M SUPPORTING MM-HMM. . AND WE AS A COUNCIL, DON'T TAKE A POSITION ON IT, I THINK YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. MM-HMM. , I WOULD BE WITH THAT TOO, EVEN IF I DISAGREE WITH YOU. MM-HMM. , I, I THINK THE ADVOCACY IS CLEARLY SAKE. WELL, ONCE AGAIN, AS I SAID, THIS IS FOR REIMBURSEMENTS. SO IT'S BASICALLY, UH, WHEN YOU'RE DOING STUFF LIKE THAT, IT'S AFTER THE FACT ON TRAVEL. I MEAN, IT REALLY IS. BUT I THINK THERE IS A NUANCE TO COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ'S POINT ABOUT IF WE, IF DOING A LOBBYING TRIP TO SACRAMENTO, UM, THAT THEN THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SUBMIT A, UM, A, A REQUEST TO HAVE THAT PAID BY, BY THE CITY UP FRONT AND LOOSE. UH, OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER, MAYOR, UM, AND FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, I AM COMPLETELY AGAINST THAT IDEA. WE ACTING ON OUR OWN BEHALF AS LOBBYISTS, NOT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, UH, GOING TO SACRAMENTO TO ADVOCATE FOR, UH, A BILL THAT IS NOT BEING SUPPORTED BY THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, PER VOTE OR WHATEVER. UH, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE USING OUR PUBLIC MONEY TO DO THAT. NOT AT ALL. IF YOU WANNA GO AND ADVOCATE TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER OR YOUR CONGRESS MEMBERS, UH, OR, UM, ASSEMBLY MEMBERS, WHATEVER SENATE MEMBERS IN SACRAMENTO, GO AHEAD AND DO SO. BUT PAY FOR YOUR OWN WAY. DON'T USE PUBLIC MONEY FOR THAT. AND THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEBODY. I, I HAVEN'T DONE IT, BUT I'M JUST, I KNOW THAT SOME OF US AS ELECTEDS WITHOUT THIS HAVE, RIGHT. SO I JUST WANT CLAIRE'S SAKE ON THAT. YEAH. I SAY NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. UM, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. REMEMBER IF IT'S ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, FOR EXAMPLE, 'CAUSE I DO THIS A LOT. MM-HMM. , RIGHT? I GO GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS FOR MY, MY JOB JOB. UM, I GO TO SACRAMENTO OR GO TO WASHINGTON DC TO, TO LOBBY FOR PROJECTS OR FOR GRANTS. LIKE, [03:30:01] FOR EXAMPLE, UM, CITY ENGINEER HERE IS WORKING ON A PROJECT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IN THE, IN THE EAST SIDE. AND HOPEFULLY WE GET IT. I'M, I'M ASKING HIM, WE GOTTA GO AND SHOW OUR FACES TO THIS ELECTEDS SO THEY, THEY WON'T FORGET US WHEN IT'S TIME FOR, UM, FOR AWARDING OF THOSE GRANTS. SO, BUT IF IT'S FOR A PERSONAL BELIEF OF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TO, TO, TO ADVOCATE FOR YOUR PERSONAL BELIEF AND NOT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION. SO I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO DECIPHER ON, YOU KNOW, AND ELABORATE ON WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO, UM, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DISCUSS COUNCIL MEMBER AGAIN, WE GOT A WHOLE NEW , AND I'M JUST, IT'S JUST FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, I DON'T EVEN HAVE ANYTHING IN MIND. BUT, UM, AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, WE HAVE BUDGET CUTS THROUGH THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. MM-HMM. . AND WE'RE TRYING TO ADVOCATE FOR MORE HOUSING FUNDS THAT MAY REQUIRE A VISITOR TWO TO FIGHT AND ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF OUR, UM, HOUSING GRANTS THAT COULD EQUATE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. MM-HMM. . SO WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T TAKE A POSITION AS A CITY TO DO THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S TOO CUMBERSOME. IT TAKES A LONG TIME. AND BUREAUCRATIC WOULD, WOULD A ELECTED BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND TRY TO ADVOCATE FOR THESE FUNDS ON BEHALF OF THE, THE SEAT THAT THEY'RE REPRESENTING? BUT IT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. WE DO HAVE A LEGISLATIVE AGENDA THAT WE VOTE ON. YOU NORMALLY SUPPOSED TO BRING THAT UP ONCE A YEAR. AND SO WE LAY OUT WHAT WE AS A CITY ARE, WE DO THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE BEHIND. AND, AND IT, IT, IT HAS SOME BROADNESS IT NOT SPEC. A LOT OF TIMES IT'S NOT VERY SPECIFIC SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE BOOK BILLS COME UP DURING THE YEAR AND CHANGE EVERYTHING ELSE. SO I THINK IT'S, BUT IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GOING AND ADVOCATING, AND I, I KINDA UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. 'CAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING AND YOU'RE ADVOCATING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S AGAINST THE CITY'S LEGISLATIVE, UH, PLAN, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION. I, I, I JUST, I JUST DISAGREE WITH, LIKE, WITH THE NOTION, BECAUSE WE CAN'T SIT HERE AND COMPLAIN, OH, THOSE SACRAMENTO PEOPLE, THEY'RE DOING THIS. THEY'RE SAYING THAT, LOOK AT THE BILL, THEY'RE PASSING. DID WE GO, DID WE LOBBY? DID WE DO ANYTHING? AND IF THE ANSWER IS NO, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BE BEST ADVOCATES FOR OUR COMMUNITY, THEN I THINK, I THINK WE'RE DOING OURSELVES A DISSERVICE, RIGHT? SO WE, WE CAN'T SIT AROUND AND SAY, AND COMPLAIN ABOUT SACRAMENTO PASSING BILLS AND NOT WILLING TO GO OUT AND ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OR AGAINST BILLS. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT NOBODY SAID TO, TO NOT GO MM-HMM. WHAT, WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING IS IF WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE AGENDA AND THERE IS A BILL UP THERE THAT WOULD FOLLOW OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, THEN YOU CAN GO ADVOCATE FOR IT. IF THERE'S A BILL UP THERE THAT'S AGAINST OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, THEN THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH US. AND YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN AND GOING UP THERE, GOING AGAINST IT. AND I THINK MY ISSUE IS, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO OVERLY, YOU KNOW, PUT, WE'RE ALL ELECTED HERE AND WE HAVE DIVERSE DIFFERENT VIEWS. AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO OVER POLICE OURSELVES BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THAT WE DON'T TAKE POSITIONS ON. AND SO, UM, THAT SHOULDN'T MEAN THAT WE, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST NEUTRAL IN ORDERS, JUST NOT ON OUR BODY'S RADAR. OR WE HAVE LIMITED STAFF TIME AND RESOURCES TO GO OVER IT. SO I THINK IT'S OKAY FOR, YOU KNOW, US THAT HAVE A SPECIAL EXPERTISE IN THE AREA TO, TO GO AND ADVOCATE FOR THAT. UH, YES. THANK YOU. UM, UH, I THINK THIS FEELS AGAIN, TOWARDS REMOVING SOME OF THE CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR THE SPENDING OF MONEY THAT TAXPAYERS ARE PROVIDING. AND SO IF, UM, YOU ARE REMOVING BARRIERS TO THE USE OF THE THAT MONEY, I AM COMPLETELY AGAINST IT. IT IS NECESSARY TO HAVE, UM, WELL FIRST OF ALL, IT IS NECESSARY TO BE VERY FRUGAL IN YOUR CHOICES FOR HOW YOU'RE SPENDING THIS MONEY. IT IS NOT YOUR MONEY. IT MIGHT BE ALLOTTED TO YOU BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL VOTED. OKAY. YOU GET A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. BUT THERE HAS TO BE RULES AND THERE HAS TO BE A PROCEDURE THAT THEN JUSTIFIES THE USE OF THAT MONEY. AND IF IT IS NECESSARY TO LOBBY, I AM SAYING IT MUST BE BASED ON A MAJORITY SUPPORT OF THIS FIVE MEMBER COUNCIL. AND IT MIGHT BE BUREAUCRATIC, IT MIGHT TAKE TIME, IT MIGHT BE CUMBERSOME. WELL, SO BE IT. IF THIS IS MONEY THAT WE ARE USING THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO US, BUT BELONGS TO THE TAXPAYERS, THEN IT HAS TO BE APPROVED PER A BODY THAT, UM, THAT IS [03:35:01] THE SYSTEM THAT'S IN PLACE TO PROTECT EXACTLY THE MISUSE OF PUBLIC FUNDS. AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT SPENDING ON LOBBYING IS SOMETHING THAT CAN JUST BE FREE. GO FOR IT. NO, IT HAS TO BE PER THE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS OF THIS BODY. MR. AND, AND ARE, ARE YOU ALSO, LET ME JUST ASK FOR CLARIFICATION. ARE YOU ALSO SAYING THAT APPROVAL CAN BE, IF THE COUNCIL VOTES ON A LEGISLATIVE YES. UM, AGENDA, A LEGISLATIVE AGENDA AND IT IT'S COVERED IN THAT YES. THAT WOULD BE LIKE A PRE-APPROVAL? YES. OKAY. OKAY. I JUST WANTED, JUST CLARIFY 'CAUSE I DIDN'T WANNA MAKE IT SOUND LIKE ANYTIME SOMEONE WANTS TO LOBBY, THEY GOTTA, THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL. THE, THE WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY. THE KEY HERE, THE KEY HERE, THE, THE THING THAT IS BOTHERING ME IS THIS IDEA ABOUT GOING ON A TRIP TO SACRAMENTO. THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE. THERE'S MANY OTHER WAYS TO LOBBY. YOU COULD GO TO WASHINGTON DC MM-HMM. . UM, THE, THE, THE, THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME IS TO, TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF LICENSE THAT YOU CAN GO AT ANY TIME AND THEN LATER GET A REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE EXPENSE. ABSOLUTELY NOT. YOU HAVE, IF YOU ARE PLANNING TO DO THIS, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS PER SOME TYPE OF CHECK AND BALANCE. AND IT CANNOT BE, OH, I'VE SPENT, YOU KNOW, 500 PLUS DOLLARS, UH, ON A ONE NIGHT TRIP TO SACRAMENTO OR DAY TRIP THERE AND BACK. UM, AND NOW I'M GONNA GET REIMBURSED FOR IT. NO, NO. IT NEEDS TO BE RE IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED. YOU CAN'T JUST DECIDE, OH, I HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS I'M GONNA USE IT TO TRAVEL UP AND DOWN SACRAMENTO AND ACROSS TO DC OR WHEREVER. BUT, BUT THERE IS THAT THOUGH. AND IN THIS POLICY, AND EVEN WHAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ IS, IS SUGGESTING IS SO WHEN, IF WE PRE-PURCHASE IT, IT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE COMMITTEE, THROUGH FINANCE COMMITTEE. AND THAT ULTIMATELY IS CONTROLLED BY THE CITY MANAGER. SO THE CITY MANAGER, IF IT DOESN'T FALL IN OUR, YOU KNOW, LEGISLATIVE CALENDAR OR WHATEVER, UH, AT LEGISLATIVE, THE CITY MANAGER CAN DENY IT IN WHICH IT CAN BE TAKEN TO CITY COUNCIL. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S IN, THAT'S WHAT'S IN PLACE. SO I DON'T, I AT LEAST, I'M NOT SUGGESTING JUST WILLY-NILLY MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, UH, SPEND, UH, SPEND THINGS. AND EVEN WITH REIMBURSEMENTS TOO, REIMBURSEMENTS HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE, UM, THAT FINANCE COMMITTEE OR THE WHAT? PURCHASE AND REVIEW THE PURCHASE AND REVIEW COMMITTEE. SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS SUGGESTED HERE THAT I THINK THAT'S WILLING. SO I DO AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, UH, MR. BUSH, THAT IF THERE, IF YOU ARE PLANNING TO DO THIS TYPE OF ADVOCACY AND, UM, THIS IS REVIEWED BY THE CITY MANAGER PER, YOU KNOW, THE, OR THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER. IF THE CITY MANAGER THEN, OR WHOEVER ELSE UNDERNEATH GOES AND DECIDES, WAIT A MINUTE, THIS IS NOT ALIGNING WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE CALENDAR, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THIS BODY FOR APPROVAL. YES. HAS TO BE, LOOK, UM, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, COUNCIL MEMBER, I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS YOU THREW IN THERE THAT WERE JUST COMPLETELY MISGUIDED AND MAYBE YOUR PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS OF WHY BRING UP CLARITY'S SAKE. I'VE NEVER BEEN TO DC TO LOBBY ON BEHALF OF ANYTHING. OKAY. I'VE NEVER BEEN TO SACRAMENTO LOBBY ON BEHALF OF EVERYTHING. BUT YOU HAVE, YOU'VE GONE TO MANY CONFERENCES AND I HAVEN'T, SO I'M NOT SAYING IT FOR YOU TO USE IT, I HAVE NOT ASKED THE NATIONAL CITY TO PAY FOR IT. BUT I'M NOT SAYING FOR YOU, YOU ARE LITERALLY THERE A COUPLE WEEKS. BUT I'M NOT SAYING FOR ME TO USE IT. I'M SAYING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND BE CLEAR OF WHAT ABOUT WHAT THE RULES ARE. ARE YOU CLEAR? NOW I DO DISAGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT. I DISAGREE BECAUSE WE CAN'T SIT AROUND AND COMPLAIN, OH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FUNDING FROM DC OH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FUNDING FROM CALIFORNIA. OH, WE'RE TIRED OF SEEING THESE HOUSING BILLS THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING BAD. OH, WE'RE TIRED OF SEEING THIS PROSTITUTION, YOU KNOW, BILL, GUYS, WHAT ARE WE DOING? IF WE'RE NOT ADVOCATING FOR OURSELVES, THEN WE ARE DOING A DISSERVICE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE IS GONNA LIVE IN SACRAMENTO, BUT TO LIMIT OURSELVES FROM ADVOCATING FOR OUR STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO BRING RESOURCES HERE IS A DISSERVICE TO OURSELVES. I AGREE WITH YOU. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? WE RECEIVE MONEY FOR ARPA. RIGHT? WHO BROUGHT THAT MONEY IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, RIGHT? WHO DO YOU AGREE WITH THE PROCEDURE FOR HOW TO THERE, DO WE RECEIVE FUNDING, FUNDING FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA? I'M NOT DISAGREEING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW TO FUND OUR POOL. HOW DID WE GET THAT THROUGH LOBBYING, RIGHT? LIKE, SO WE CAN'T JUST SIT AROUND AND SAY, GUYS, WE CAN'T TALK TO SACRAMENTO PEOPLE. WE CAN'T TALK, WE CAN'T, THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID. BUT, BUT, BUT THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY FOR US TO BE LOBBYISTS FOR OUR CITY IS TO BE THERE. YES, I AGREE WITH YOU. SO WHY WOULD WE LIMIT OURSELVES TO NOT BE THERE? AND THIS IS COMING FROM SOMEBODY THAT HASN'T EVEN DONE IT. BUT THIS IS JUST CLARITY'S SAKE. AND I THINK, I THINK I THINK YOU MAY BE MISGUIDED IN YOUR ATTEMPT TO COMPLETELY JUST NOT SPEND ANY FUNDING BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO WHAT I SAYING. WHEREAS I AM TRYING TO JUST GET CLARITY AND HAVE US BE BEST ADVOCATES FOR OUR COMMUNITY. BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT WE CHECK OFF MANY BOXES AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO BRING MANY MORE RESOURCES TO THE CITY IF WE [03:40:01] ARE BEST ADVOCATES FOR OUR COMMUNITY. OKAY. CHAIR, UH, MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THE PROCEDURE THAT WE, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF US HAVE VOICED ALREADY, WHICH WOULD CLARIFY THIS, UH, MUDDLED THINKING THAT MR. RODRIGUEZ THINKS THAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS MONEY THAT IS, UH, THAT, THAT COMES TO US VIA TAXPAYER MONEY. THE PROCEDURE WOULD BE SUBMIT A REQUEST PRE PRE-TRAVEL REQUEST THAT YOU PLAN TO DO ADVOCACY OR LOBBYING OR WHATEVER, WHEREVER. AND THAT IT GOES THROUGH THE CHANNELS THAT ARE IN PLACE, WHICH IS THE GROUP IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN THE FINAL SIGNATURE BY THE CITY MANAGER. IF THAT IS NOT APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER, THEN THAT REQUEST FOR APPROVAL COMES TO THIS BODY OF, UM, OF, OF A SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. AND IT IS ONLY UNTIL THE MAJORITY VOTE, THE MAJORITY OF THIS BODY AGREES THAT YOU CAN USE MONEY THAT WAY. THEN YOU MAY USE THAT MONEY THAT WAY. THAT'S MY MOTION. I'LL SECOND IT, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S ALREADY ON. I BELIEVE IT'S, IS THAT ALREADY ON THERE OR WILL THAT REQUIRE A CHANGE? BUT I THINK WE CAN SAY IT FOR STATEMENTS, SAY AT THIS POINT, I WANT THAT WRITTEN IN ON THIS POLICY. IF IT IS NOT CRYSTAL CLEAR ALREADY, THEN IT HAS TO BE TYPED IN HERE. SO IF I COULD, AND THEN I'M, I'M GONNA GET TO YOU. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IF I'M HEARING YOU RIGHT, IS THAT YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THAT FOR ALL, UM, EXPENDITURES? NO, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. NO. EXPENDITURES INVOLVING LOBBYING, ADVOCACY, UM, THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE PRE-APPROVED ALSO FOR THE, FOR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TRAVEL, RIGHT? YES. AND THE FACT THAT THE TRAVEL YEAH. THE SUB BULLET. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK THIS WOULD BE SO REIMBURSEMENT. YEAH. THIS WOULD BE UNDER, UH, NO, I THINK THIS WOULD BE UNDER TRAINING TRAVEL AND SUBSTANCE, RIGHT? THAT BULLET POINT UNDER YES. UNDER A MM-HMM. CONFERENCES. THIS IS ABOUT ADVOCACY FOR OUR CITY. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS, OUR LEGISLATIVE, UM, PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE TO, UM, HAVE A GUIDELINES, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DO YOU THINK OH MY GOD. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LOBBYING IN DC OR IN SACRAMENTO ARE NOT FUN. NO, IT IS NOT FUN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. SO THIS THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS OUTSIDE OF THIS JURISDICTION. SO WE ARE ALL OUT OF ORDER. IT'S NOT IN OUR AGENDA. CAN WE MOVE ON, MR. MAYOR? WELL, WELL LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WELL, WELL, OKAY. IT IS NOT, I'M SORRY, IT'S NOT OUT OF ORDER BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ABOUT REIMBURSEMENT FOR TRAVEL AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAS BROUGHT IT UP. AND SO, BUT IT'S, BUT, BUT NORMALLY BECAUSE CONFERENCES WERE COVERED, BUT NOT JUST WHAT OTHER TRAVEL THAT THERE IS. AND SO THE OTHER TRAVEL WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE, AS SAY, ADVOCACY, UH, TRAVEL COULD BE AS, SAY IF YOU WANTED THE VISIT TO SISTER CITY, SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE, AND YOU WERE WANTING TO USE CITY MONEY TO DO IT, THAT'S NOT CONFERENCES. UH, SO I, AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE DISCUSSION AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE LOTS OF POINTS OF DISAGREEMENT ON IT. AND, UH, BUT THE REASON I THINK IT IS CRUCIAL FOR THIS POLICY IS BECAUSE THE MONEY THAT WOULD BE USED FOR IT IS THIS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. AND IF THERE IS, IF IT IS NOT CLEAR TO ONE OR MORE OF US HOW TO GO ABOUT USING THIS DISTRICT MONEY FOR THAT PURPOSE, THEN THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAR THIS UP WITHIN THIS POLICY. SO IT IS ABSOLUTELY RELEVANT. HOW ABOUT, SO HOW ABOUT IN THAT SECTION WE ADD, UM, INSTEAD OF LOBBYING LEGISLATIVE UNDER TRAINING, UNDER THE BULLET THAT SAYS TRAINING TRAVEL AND SUBSTANCE, THESE EXPENDITURES ARE FOR CONFERENCES OR TRAINING, REGISTRATION FEES. AND THEN IT COULD SAY COMMA LEGISLATION, NO LEGISLATION. SO THEN IT ADDS THAT THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO ADD, UM, LEGISLATIVE POLICY ADVOCACY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? SOMETHING ON THAT LINE? YEAH. LEGIS, YEAH. LEGISLATION. I, I JUST SAID LEGISLATION. I, YOU CAN SAY POLICY TOO. UM, BUT THAT, BUT IT DOES SAY ALL REQUESTS FOR REIMBURSEMENTS FOR TRAVEL AND CONFERENCE TRAINING EXPENSES MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND PRE-APPROVED BY THE PURCHASES. SO I FEEL LIKE THAT ADDRESSED YOUR, THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER THAT I DON'T THINK YOU NEED, WELL, WE DON'T NEED EXTRA DETAIL FOR, FOR THAT, THAT SECTION BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY THERE. OKAY. THE REASON [03:45:01] WE WENT DOWN THIS HOLE IS BECAUSE MR. RODRIGUEZ SAID HE DID NEED A, HE NEEDED CLARITY, HE NEEDED CLARIFICATION. AND AFTER HAVING THE DISCUSSION HERE, HE SAID IT STILL WAS NOT CLEAR TO HIM. SO THEN I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT CLEAR, BUT IF WE ARE CLEAR AND WE DON'T NEED IT, THEN OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON. OH, I WAS, THE, THE MOTION WAS TO PUT ADD THE MI SEE, WE, YOU MADE A MOTION. I SECOND IT TO ADD CLARITY. AND SO MY SUGGESTION FOR THE CLARITY WAS ADDING THE WORD LEGISLATION. UM, WE, OR DO WE WANNA JUST WITHDRAW THAT MOTION? ? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON JOSE RODRIGUEZ'S CLARITY ON THE MATTER. THIS IS INCREDIBLY PERSONAL. IF THE, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE SECONDER OF THE MOTION WAS. I I WAS BUSH. YOU WERE? YEAH. YEAH. I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THOSE. UM, WHAT ADD THE WORD LEGISLATION. LEGISLATION. OKAY. THEN I REMOVE MY MOTION. I'M SORRY, WHAT NOW? WELL, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE ADDING? YEAH, BECAUSE I'M, I I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADVOCACY HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEGISLATIVE POLICY ADVOCACY, RIGHT? IT'S NOT HERE. NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S IN HERE NOW. EXACTLY. OKAY. SO, SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS, TO BARRY'S POINT, THAT'S WHY I WAS ADDING THAT TO ADDRESS BUDGET SPENDING. SO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW FOR CLARITY PURPOSES IS THAT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. MM-HMM. . SO NOW THE QUESTION IS DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW IT? AND I THINK THE SUGGESTION IS IF WE WANT TO ALLOW IT OR IF YOU WANT TO ALLOW IT, THEN WE WOULD ADD IN LANGUAGE LEGISLATIVE POLICY ADVOCACY AS AN ALLOWABLE ACTIVITY UNDER TRAINING TRAVEL AND SUBSTANCE. BUT, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THESE REQUIREMENTS ON HOW IT WOULD BE APPROVED, WHICH ARE ALREADY THERE, RIGHT? WE'RE ALREADY ALREADY THERE. YES. DOES I, I DON'T, I I'M LOOKING TO MEMBER MOLINA, DOES THAT ANSWER, IS THAT, WHAT, IS THAT IN LINE WITH WHAT YOUR MOTION IS? IT IT WOULD STILL, I THINK SO YOUR CONCERN, UH, MEMBER MOLINA WAS TO THAT, UH, NOT GOING BEYOND THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL. WHEN I THINK THAT IS COVERED, BECAUSE PRE-APPROVED, IT SAYS CONSISTENT WITH CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND PRE-APPROVED BY THE PURCHASING REVIEW. THE QUESTION WAS JUST ADDING LEGISLATION. I I, SO, SO I, I, THIS IS AN ACTIVITY. SO LEGISLATIVE, A ADVOCACY IS AN ACTIVITY. NOW THE, IF IT GOES TO PRC OR WHOEVER IT IS, IT WOULDN'T, THE QUESTION WOULDN'T BE IS IT APPROVED BY A COUNCIL, RIGHT? IT'S JUST THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO ADVOCACY. IF YOU WANNA LIMIT THAT ADVOCACY TO THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE APPROVED BY THE MAJORITY OF COUNSEL, THAT'S, THAT'S A LIMITATION. I DO WANNA LIMIT IF I COULD BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO TO THE CITY MANAGER AND SHALL WE SAY THAT SOMEONE WANTED TO GO AND A HAVE ADVOCACY THAT THE STATE MAKES ALL THE LOCAL DECISIONS. WE GO, WAIT A MINUTE, OUR POLICIES, YOU KNOW, OUR LEGISLATIVE POLICY SAYS WE PUSH FOR LOCAL CONTROL, NOT STATE CONTROL. SO THEREFORE YOU'D BE GOING AGAINST OUR LEGISLATIVE POLICY. SO THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WHAT. YEAH. UM, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY CLERK POINTED OUT, AND, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS, UM, YET, I GUESS , BUT WE, WE IN, WE APPROVE THE COUNCIL APPROVES AND ADOPTS A LEGISLATIVE AND JUDICIAL PLATFORM, I SUPPOSE, ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. YEP. SO MAYBE THE LEGISLATIVE ITEM, THE ACTIVITY WOULD BE BASED ON THE PLATFORM SO THAT IT WOULD'VE TO BE INSIDE THE PLATFORM THAT I ASSUME WE ADOPT ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND THEN I, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. AND IF WE WANT TO, UH, IF A MEMBER, MOLINA AS A MAKER OF THE MOTION, IF YOU WANTED TO ADD THAT DETAIL, AND I CAN WELL, I THOUGHT WE WERE REMOVING THE MOTION. NO, YOU, WELL, YOU, OH, SO YOU WITHDREW THE NO MOTION THEN MY UNDERSTANDING, THE MOTION'S STILL ON THE FLOOR. THE MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR AND IT, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH ADDING THAT TO THE, THAT'S, THERE'S NO PROBLEM. I DON'T, THAT'S NO, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. BECAUSE YEARLY WE UPDATE OUR LEGISLATIVE PLATFORM. AND SO IF IT'S IN LINE WITH THE LEGISLATIVE PLATFORM AND THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED BOTH BY THE COMMITTEE AND BY THE CITY MANAGER, THEN, THEN THAT TRAVEL IS PERMISSIBLE TO USE YOUR, FOR THE DISTRICT A BUDGET FORM. IT'S AN ALLOWABLE USE. YEAH. UM, THEN ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, WOULD IT BE, BECAUSE IT IS, I GUESS, SUCH A SPECIAL THING, DOES IT HAVE TO BE PUT UNDER TRAVEL? CAN THERE JUST BE A DIFFERENT SECTION CARVED OUT SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS THE ALLOWABILITY OF, UM, USE OF THIS MONEY FOR LOBBYING AND, AND UH, [03:50:01] ADVOCACY EXPENSES REALLY KIND OF FALLS UNDER THE TRAVEL THING? WELL, THE ANSWER IS YES, WE COULD. YEAH. UM, BUT IT THEN IT, IT, IT THEN BECOMES ANOTHER SECTION AND NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EXPAND AND THAT SECTION AS TO THE PROCEDURE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO PERSONALLY, , JUST TRYING TO, TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU GUYS CAN AGREE ON. I, I, I THINK WE CAN ADD THE LANGUAGE UNDER THE TRAINING TRAVEL AND SEPSIS. IF, IF YOU'RE OKAY ADDING IT THERE, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL INTENT. OKAY. BUT THEN IT GOT, IT SORT OF FELT LIKE IT DIDN'T QUITE FIT. AND, AND THEN IT'LL, IT'LL TAKE A LITTLE WORDSMITHING TO MAKE IT CLEAR. OKAY. BUT I THINK WE CAN DO IT. OKAY. YEAH. UH, ONE MORE QUESTION. WHO APPROVES THE LEGISLATIVE CALENDAR OR THE WE DO, BUT HONESTLY, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'VE REVIEWED IT IN MANY YEARS. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, IT BE NECESSARY TO SAY. I, IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH A SERIES OF CITY MANAGERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND SO WE, WE DO NEED TO PUT THAT ON OUR, ON THAT TICKLER FILE ON THE, TO-DO LIST SHELL, SHELLY JUST TICKLED THAT. THANKS. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SHE'S, SHE'S TICKLING IT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. GOOD. GOOD. THANK YOU, SHELLY. SO IF THE MOTION IS STILL IN, THEN YES, I AGREE WITH THE RECENT DOES THE CITY ATTORNEY THINKS HE'S UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE'RE AT. OKAY. MOTION AND A SECOND ARE ON THE FLOOR. WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH, CAN YOU PUT IN YOUR STATEMENT AGAIN PLEASE? I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. OKAY. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED BY FOUR TO ONE VOTE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT TAKES CARE OF 12.1. NOW WE GO WAIT TO, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. OH, I'M SORRY. I DON'T NOW I DON'T THINK WE'VE ACTUALLY TAKEN A MOTION TO APPROVE ON THE WHOLE POLICY. THE WHOLE POLICY. NO. OKAY. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MY SECOND WITH THE, WITH ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE BROUGHT UP, UH, TODAY IN DISCUSSION. OKAY. SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. OKAY. SO YOU KNOW THE DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. AND THEN DON'T WE NEED TO, IT'S 10 0 9. DON'T WE NEED TO EXTEND THE MEETING? HUH? IT'S 10 0 9 DON. WE NEED TO TEN THREE. WELL, I FORGET. OH, SORRY. OKAY. [12.2 Resolution of the City Council of the City of National City Adopting a Budget for Fiscal Year2024-25] SO NEXT WE GET ON TO 12.2. THIS IS A RESOLUTION OF CITY COUNCIL ADOPTING A BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 25. SO, MR. VALEZ, PLEASE. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MORRISON, VICE MAYOR YAMANI AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL PAUL VALDEZ, BUDGET MANAGER. THIS EVENING I'LL BE GOING THROUGH A FEW SLIDES THAT RECAP THE INFORMATION PRESENTED DURING THE MAY BUDGET HEARINGS, AS WELL AS PROVIDING AN OVERVIEW OF THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET REDUCTION PLAN. I'LL ALSO REVIEW THE IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET ON THE GENERAL FUND UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE AND GO OVER SOME ADDITIONAL STRATEGIC MEASURES. UH, BEFORE I BEGAN, I WANNA MENTION AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT AS EXHIBIT D, WHICH IS A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE CITY MANAGER'S STRATEGIC PLANNING FOCUS AREAS. I WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THESE FIRST FEW SLIDES AS THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY. UH, HERE ARE THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES AND TRANSFERS IN AS PRESENTED AT THE MAY 21ST BUDGET HEARING TOTALING 69.9 MILLION. HERE ARE THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES AND TRANSFERS OUT PRESENTED AT THE MAY 21ST BUDGET HEARING TOTALING 76.9 MILLION. AND HERE ARE THOSE SAME EXPENDITURES AND TRANSFERS OUT AGAINST THE REVENUES AND TRANSFERS IN SHOWING A USE OF GENERAL FUND UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE IN THE AMOUNT OF 7 MILLION. AND JUST TO REVIEW SOME OF THE MAJOR CONTRIBUTORS TO THAT DEFICIT. UM, ON THE REVENUE SIDE, THERE'S THE ENDING OF ARPA FUNDING, WHICH IS A $2 MILLION IMPACT, A REDUCTION IN THE FORECASTED SALES TAX. IT'S A $1 MILLION IMPACT. AND THEN THE EXPIRATION OF THE SAFER GRANT, WHICH, UH, FUNDED SOME OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO THE TUNE OF 500,000. ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, UH, THERE'S THE RESTARTING OF THE UAL PAYMENT, WHICH THE CITY WAS ABLE TO SKIP IN FISCAL YEAR 24 DUE TO THE PENSION OBLIGATION BOND REFINANCING. THAT'S 700,000. AND THERE'S THE, OH I I I PASSED OVER THAT INCREASE IN PUBLIC LIABILITY COVERAGE. SO THAT'S, UH, A $1 MILLION INCREASE OVER Y 24. [03:55:03] THERE'S ALSO $2 MILLION IN NEW ENHANCEMENT ITEMS FOR FY 25, AND THOSE ARE AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW ON EXHIBIT C ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT. SO NOW WE MOVE ON TO THE PLAN. AT THE MAY 21ST MEETING, THE CITY COUNCIL WAS OFFERED THE OPTION FOR STAFF TO RETURN WITH A PROPOSED BUDGET INCORPORATING THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET REDUCTION PLAN OF $2 MILLION. THE SLIDE OUTLINES THE COMPONENTS OF THAT PLAN. THE FIRST IS TO COMMIT TO 1% SALARY SAVINGS FOR ALL GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS, AS WELL AS THE PARKS MAINTENANCE FUND, LIBRARY, FUND, AND NUTRITION FUND. THESE OTHER FUNDS RECEIVE A GENERAL FUND SUBSIDY, SO ANY REDUCTIONS THERE RESULT IN A DECREASED COST TO THE GENERAL FUND. THE 1% AMOUNTS TO $526,000 IN PERSONNEL SERVICES SAVINGS. THE SECOND COMPONENT IS A 9% REDUCTION IN MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS FOR THOSE SAME DEPARTMENTS. THIS AMOUNTS TO $851,000 IN M AND O SAVINGS. AND THE THIRD COMPONENT IS A 50% REDUCTION IN VA VEHICLE REPLACEMENT CHARGES FOR FY 25 RESULTING IN SAVINGS OF $665,000. I WANNA STRESS THAT THIS IS NOT A REDUCTION TO EITHER THE EXISTING VEHICLE FLEET OR THE NEW RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FY 25 FOR A LITTLE BACKGROUND. WHENEVER A NEW VEHICLE IS ADDED TO THE FLEET, ITS USEFUL. LIFE IS ESTIMATED AS WELL AS ITS FUTURE REPLACEMENT COSTS OVER TIME. DEVIATIONS FROM THESE ESTIMATES LEAD TO THE ACCUMULATION OF FUND BALANCE AND THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND. IT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO SCALE BACK THE COLLECTION OF THESE CHARGES FOR ONE YEAR AND USE $665,000 OF THIS ACCUMULATED FUND BALANCE. UPON ADOPTION OF THIS PROPOSED BUDGET AND BUDGET REDUCTION PLAN DEPARTMENTS WILL BE GIVEN THEIR ASSIGNED REDUCTION NUMBER AND TASKED WITH IDENTIFYING SPECIFIC REDUCTIONS THAT CAN BE MADE TO MEET THEIR TARGET. ALONG WITH ANY RESULTING SERVICE IMPACTS, THIS ALLOWS INFORMED DECISIONS TO BE MADE. STAFF WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A MEDIA BUDGET UPDATE, AS WELL AS AN UPDATED FIVE YEAR FORECAST, REFLECTING THE LATEST REVENUE AND EXPENDER PROJECTION, UH, EXPENDITURE PROJECTIONS, THE REDUCTION PROPOSALS SUBMITTED BY THE DEPARTMENTS WILL BE IMPLEMENTED AS NECESSARY. SO HERE'S A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE BUDGET PROPOSED ON MAY 21ST AND THE NEW PROPOSED BUDGET THAT INCORPORATES THE BUDGET REDUCTION PLAN. LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM LINE, THE PLANNED USED OF GENERAL FUND UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE IS REDUCED FROM $7 MILLION TO $4.9 MILLION IN FISCALLY, UH, IN FISCAL YEAR 25. HERE IS A COMPARISON OF THE IMPACT ON UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE, RATHER THAN ENDING WITH A PROJECTED UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE OF 15.6 MILLION, THE PROJECTED ENDING FUND BALANCE IS NOW 17.7 MILLION WITH THE BUDGET REDUCTION PLAN. AND HERE'S A LOOK AT SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL STRATEGIC MEASURES. THE FIRST IS A COMPREHENSIVE FEE STUDY, WHICH IS ALREADY UNDERWAY. THE LAST COMPLETE STUDY WAS DONE IN FISCAL YEAR 18. THIS WILL ENSURE THAT THE COST OF CITY SERVICES ARE PROPERLY REFLECTED IN OUR FEES AND OTHER CHARGES FOR SERVICES. THIS KIND OF, UH, FLOWS INTO THE NEXT BULLET POINT, WHICH IS KNOWING OUR TRUE COSTS ALSO GIVES THE CITY A STRONGER POSITION WHEN NEGOTIATING CONTRACT RENEWALS WITH OTHER AGENCIES OR OTHER NEW PARTNERSHIPS. THE NEXT BULLET IS TO EXPLORE AVENUES TO INCREASE REVENUE GENERATED BY TOT. THE NEXT ONE IS TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE, PURSUE OTHER REVENUE GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES, WHETHER THROUGH GRANTS OR NEW REVENUE GENERATING PROGRAMS. AS PART OF THE BUDGET REDUCTION PROCESS. STAFF WILL ALSO WORK TO IDENTIFY COSTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY REGARDED AS ONGOING AND SEE IF THEY CAN BE ONE TIME OR SHORT TERM COSTS. AND FINALLY, SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FUND, ALL INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS WILL BE AUDITED TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE FUND BALANCE LEVEL ALLOCATION METHOD AND COLLECTION COLLECTION MECHANISMS. THE COST ALLOCATION, THE COST ALLOCATION PLAN BEING DONE AS PART OF THE FEE STUDY WILL AID IN THESE EFFORTS. I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY. UM, A NUMBER OF THINGS ON [04:00:01] SLIDE NUMBER NINE, THE IMPACT ON AN ASIDE FUND BALANCE. UH, THAT ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE PROPOSAL, 6.9, LET'S JUST SAY 7 MILLION. GET IT OVER WITH AND TAKING THAT DOWN TO 5 MILLION WITH THE THE REDUCTION PLAN. WELL, THAT'S ONLY IF THE REDUCTION PLAN IS IMPLEMENTED. AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T, UNLESS YOU IMPLEMENT IT, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. UM, AND I THINK WITH THAT LARGE OF A NUMBER OF A DEFICIT. AND I THINK THE OTHER THING IS THAT IF WE DO THAT, WE CAN SAVE THIS AND REALIZING THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, UM, OH, POSITIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE UNFILLED. WE SAVE ON STUFF ALONG THAT LINE, AND THAT CAN KNOCK, KNOCK SOME OF THIS DOWN. BUT THERE'S A LARGE CLOUD HANGING OVER ALL OF THAT. AND THAT IS WHAT IS NOT CONSIDERED HERE, IS THAT WE HAVE, WITH EVERY ONE OF OUR ORGANIZATIONS, OUR, UH, OUR LABOR ORGANIZATIONS STARTING FROM MANAGEMENT RIGHT DOWN TO MEA AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN BETWEEN, THEY'RE ALL COMING UP THIS YEAR. AND SO NEGOTIATIONS OR ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE INCLUDED THAT IS NOT IN THIS. SO THAT COULD, THAT COULD EASILY ADD LITERALLY MILLIONS ONTO THIS. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS REDUCTION PLAN IS IF, IF NEEDED. I DON'T, LOOKING AT THIS, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE THINK IT'S NOT NEEDED NOW, INSTEAD OF WAITING SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD AND JUST GETTING THIS THING SNOWBALLING FOR THE LONGER WE WAIT, THE WORSE IT GETS AND THE HARDER IT IS GONNA BE TO CONTROL. UM, THE, UH, PERSONALLY I'D LIKE TO SEE US, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERY ONE OF OUR, OUR HIRING, EVERYTHING ELSE ALONG THAT LINE. WE JUST, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S A SLOT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THOSE BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONGOING EXPENSES THAT ARE, THAT ARE REALLY, THAT REALLY CATCH UP WITH US. UM, AND SO WE NEED TO, I THINK EACH ONE OF THOSE HAVE TO BE SCRUTINIZED VERY CAREFULLY AS WE MOVE AHEAD. UH, OTHERWISE, THIS, THIS IS A SNOWBALL EFFECT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T LOOK TO THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO BAIL US OUT. ANYTHING THAT WE CAN GET FROM THEM IS GONNA BE GRAVY. UH, BUT TO HAVE ANY EXPECTATION, I DON'T THINK WE REALLY CAN. UM, THERE, IF ANYTHING, IT MAY, I KNOW WHAT WE HAD BEFORE UNDER THE, UH, EARLY, UH, BROWN YEARS IS WHEN THEY STARTED LOOKING AND RATING THE LOCAL FUNDS TO SUPPORT THE STATE. UH, BECAUSE THEY, WE GOT INTO A DEFICIT SPENDING. UM, YOU KNOW, I, HOPEFULLY THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN. BUT THAT'S ONE OF MY, MY CONCERNS WITH THIS IS THIS LOOKS GOOD. SAY, OKAY, YEAH, WE TOOK CARE OF $2 MILLION, BUT THAT'S ONLY IF IT'S IMPLEMENTED. AND THEN THE OTHER THING BEING, WE'RE STILL NOT LOOKING AT THIS OTHER LARGE BILL THAT MAY BE OUT THERE WITH LABOR NEGOTIATIONS THIS YEAR. JUST BEING, BEING REAL ABOUT IT. WE HAVE POLICE, FIRE, UH, FIRE, MEA, MID-MANAGEMENT, CLASSIFIED MANAGEMENT. WE GOT ALL OF THOSE COMING UP THIS YEAR. UH, AND SO WITHOUT TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, KINDA SHORTSIGHTED. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MY CONCERN WITH SEEING THIS. UH, MY, OR I SHOULD SAY MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH SEEING THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING SOME REDUCTION TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, BUT IT CAN'T BE JUST A PAPER REDUCTION WITHOUT IMPLEMENTATION. MEMBER MOLINA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I, I'M NOT QUITE GRASPING THE, THIS IDEA ABOUT NOT IMPLEMENTING IT. UM, WHAT I UNDERSTOOD DURING MY BRIEFINGS IS THAT, UM, THE PLAN IS TO EXAMINE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE CUTS CAN, CAN BE MADE. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WHAT, UM, THE FIRST QUARTER IN OF THE BUDGET YEAR OR SIX MONTHS DOWN THE LINE, AND WHAT THIS BUDGET REDUCTION PLAN, IF YOU CAN PLEASE PUT IT ON THE, THE BUDGET REDUCTION PLAN SLIDE. UM, THAT ONE, UM, IS EXACTLY THE FRAMEWORK FOR THAT PLAN. SO, UM, YOU'RE SAYING, UNLESS IT IS IMPLEMENTED, UH, I THINK BY ADOPTING THIS BUDGET REDUCTION PLAN, WE ARE IMPLEMENTING IT. WE ARE, UH, COMMITTING TO THIS 1% SALARY SAVINGS COMMITTING TO A 9%, UM, MOU OR M AND O SAVINGS. UH, I THINK THIS REDUCED VEHICLE REPLACEMENT CHARGES BY 50%. THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA THAT I, I, SO I THINK BY, BY GOING WITH THIS AND, AND, AND THEN THIS PLAN THAT CITY MANAGER HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, HAD PUT FORTH [04:05:01] TO, TO CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS BUDGET SINCE IT'S A LIVING, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT, UM, IS ACTUALLY PUTTING IT IN PLACE, IS IMPLEMENTING IT. I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS UNLESS IT'S IMPLEMENTED. WELL, I, I THINK IF YOU TAKE THE LAST BULLET POINT THERE, IMPLEMENT PROPOSED REDUCTIONS AS NECESSARY. IF YOU TAKE OUT THE AS NECESSARY, I THINK THEN THAT DOES EXACTLY. WELL, LET ME, LET ME ASK FOR CLARIFICATION. UM, IS IMPLEMENT PROPOSED REDUCTIONS AS NECESSARY, IS THAT MEANT TO BE INCLUSIVE OF THE COMMIT THE 1% TO THE 1% SALARY SAVINGS AND COMMIT TO THE 9% M AND O? OR IS THAT SOMETHING, IS THAT APART FROM THESE TOP THREE BULLET POINTS? NO, IT, IT DOES INCLUDE, THAT'S THE PLAN. AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, DISCUSS IT, LET'S CALL IT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, OR SEVEN, AND THEN, OKAY. WE WOULD BE EXAMINING THE NEW WORLD WHERE WE'RE AT AND MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. SO WE SAY AS NECESSARY, BECAUSE THEY MAY BE HIGHER. WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT A, A HIGHER CUT. WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT A LOWER CUT. BUT, UM, I, AS AN ASIDE TO COUNCIL ACTION, I AM GONNA ASK CITY DEPARTMENTS TO EVEN LOOK AT FURTHER CUTS, FURTHER CUT OPTION, JUST, JUST TO HAVE IT THERE AS, AS AN EXERCISE AND A, AND A, UM, YOU KNOW, POSSIBILITY. BUT YEAH, WE WOULD COME BACK AND DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU BEFORE. WHEN WOULD THAT BE? UM, WELL, I THINK WE'D PROBABLY DO IT RIGHT AFTER THE, IN THE NEW CALENDAR YEAR. SO AT MIDYEAR. OKAY. OKAY. UM, SO MAYOR, I THINK YOU SAID IF YOU WERE TO REMOVE AS NECESSARY, THEN THIS WOULD BE, UM, EASIER TO SWALLOW. RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, AND THESE ARE, THIS IS A YEARLY BUDGET AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE COMING BACK IN SIX, SEVEN MONTHS, . SO THIS IS, BUT THIS IS SAYING OUT OF A YEARLY BUDGET, YOU'RE GONNA GONNA DO THAT, BUT WE'RE ONLY GONNA CONSIDER IT FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR, MAYBE. UH, SO I AM, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF POINT THAT OUT. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE THIS LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER. IT LOOKS LIKE WE DID SOMETHING, WHICH WE MAY NOT BE DOING, BUT IT'S, IT'S PUTTING A HOLD THOUGH, RIGHT? SO WE ARE DOING IT BECAUSE WE'RE JUST PUT PUTTING A HOLD ON IT. SO THERE'S STILL SAVINGS, THOUGH. TECHNICALLY, IF WE DO PUT THE HOLDS ON IT, YES. BUT, BUT, BUT OTHERWISE, IF WE'RE WAITING SIX MONTHS TO COME BACK TO SAY, OKAY, HERE, THESE ARE THE HOLDS WE'RE GONNA PUT ON, THEN WE'RE ONLY HALF HALFWAY THROUGH THE CYCLE THIS YEAR OF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, MR. MAYOR. YES, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET REDUCTION PLAN THAT THEY HAVE PRESENTED. AND THOSE ARE THE, UH, THINGS THAT, UM, CITY MANAGER THROUGH HIS LEADERSHIP IS GOING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. BUT THERE ARE ALSO OTHER STRATEGIC MEASURES THAT THEY HAVE PRESENTED HERE FOR US TO INCREASE OUR REVENUE TO LOWER DEFICIT. SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WITH THIS GOOD FAITH THAT OUR CITY MANAGER HAS DONE TO PRESENT TO US A BUDGET THAT, YEAH, IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I ALMOST CRIED EARLIER WHEN, WHEN I HAD MY BRIEFING, BUT THERE'S THIS, THERE'S THIS HOPE THAT OUR, OUR DIRECTORS WILL HELP OUR CITY MANAGER. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST LIKE WE SAID, THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT. WE HAVE A FOUR, WE HAVE A $5 MILLION DEFICIT AS IN PAPER RIGHT NOW, BEGINNING OF JULY 1ST. RIGHT. BUT THERE ARE STRATEGIC MEASURES HERE AND BUDGET REDUCTION THAT THEY HAVE PRESENTED, THAT THEY'RE COMMITTED TO MAKE SURE THAT MM-HMM, THESE ARE DONE ACCORDINGLY. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I HAVE EXPRESSED TO OUR CITY MANAGER THAT, UM, SOME DEPARTMENTS MAYBE, UM, YOU MEAN DOESN'T NEED THOSE STAFFING. I HAVE EX, YOU KNOW, EXPRESS STRONGLY THAT PUBLIC WORKS AND COMMUNITY SERVICES HAS TO BE, UM, HAS TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, LOOKED AT. UM, AND SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AS PART OF THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS LEADERS OF, OF THIS, BECAUSE IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS, YOU KNOW, AND TO, TO, UM, WHAT ELSE CAN WE REDUCE, RIGHT? WE ARE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE LOST SOME FUNDINGS, AS, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIED BY PHIL AND PAUL. UM, BUT WE HAVE STRATEGIC MEASURES THAT WE HAVE TO DO. LIKE THEY'RE GONNA AUDIT SOMETHING. AND, AND THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT I HAVE MENTIONED TO THEM SOME, UM, REVENUE GENERATING, UM, UM, UM, UM, D OR, OR CONTRACTS THAT [04:10:01] WE HAVE THAT I SAID, OKAY, MAYBE WE CAN REVISIT THOSE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, MEAN INCLUDED IN THAT, THAT'S PART OF, OF, UH, PURSUING, UM, REVENUE GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES FOR 2025. SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK THAT AS YOU KNOW, THE FIVE OF US HERE, UM, WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS, 'CAUSE I HAVE, I HAVE MY OWN DIRECTION TO OUR CITY MANAGER ON WHAT TO LOOK AT AND WHAT TO REALLY, REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UM, STAFF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, COMMUNITY SERVICES AND PUBLIC WORKS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE OUR WORKFORCE. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, MAKE OUR CITY LOOK GOOD, RIGHT? AND SO THOSE, THAT'S VERY, VERY STRONGLY ON MY PART. SO WITH THIS, WITH THIS, UH, BUDGET THAT'S BEING PRESENTED RIGHT NOW WITH THE BUDGET REDUCTION THAT WAS PRESENTED WITH THE ADDITIONAL STRATEGIC MEASURES THAT WAS PRESENTED, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I I, AS MUCH AS IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO SAY YES, WE HAVE TO PUT GOOD FAITH IN IT, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS. YOU WANT US HEAR THEM BEFORE WE DELIBERATE ANYMORE, OKAY. UM, WE HAVE, UM, EDWARD EDWARDO, OOPS, THIS IS A REALLY TYPICAL TASK, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU'RE LOSING OPPORTUNITIES. UM, THERE'S NO WAY, WITHOUT IMPLEMENTING REDUCTIONS RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE GONNA AVOID A BIGGER PAIN DOWN THE ROAD. SO I THINK YOU JUST HAVE A DIFFICULT TASK. YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE BRIGHT SIDE, I LOOK AT SOME OF THE STRATEGIC, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY'RE GREAT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE IN TIME TO DO YOU ANY GOOD. THESE IMPLEMENTATIONS ALLOCATION PLAN, IT TAKES A ALMOST A WHOLE YEAR FOR THEM TO GET CAL COMPILED AND APPROVED, IMPLEMENTED. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR FEES, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FEES THAT YOU HAVE TO PRESENT TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO GET APPROVED. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR REVENUE RELIEF IN THAT AREA, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN. SO, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW YOU GUYS ARE GONNA GET OUT OF IT. YOU KNOW, YOU SAY, WHAT CAN YOU DO? YOU KNOW, THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SLUSH FUND, WHICH IS NOT 400,000, THAT'S PEANUTS. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM. YOU NEED TO STAY FOCUSED. I THINK YOU'RE ALL PULLING IN DIFFERENT WAYS. SO, I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU GUYS. I, I JUST FIND IT VERY FRUSTRATING HEARING, HEARING THIS TALK, HEARING THE PREVIOUS TALK AND INTERNAL CONTROLS. AND, UH, I JUST FIND IT VERY, VERY, UH, SAD ADD, UH, JOAN REONE, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH HA WITH COUNCIL PEOPLE HAVING SUPPORT STAFF. IN FACT, MR. BUSH JUST MADE A DECISION AND HAD SOMEBODY TRANSFERRED TO HIS AREA FROM ANOTHER DEPARTMENT APPROPRIATELY. I THINK MAYBE MS. MOLINA IS CONSIDERING SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. IT'S THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE'S RESPONSIBILITY ANYWAY, TO PROVIDE THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH SUPPORT STAFF. BEYOND THAT, WHAT YOU GUYS SHOULD BE DOING IS REPEALING THE COUNCIL BUDGETS IN THEIR ENTIRETY. THERE'VE BEEN NOTHING BUT MISUSED SINCE THE BEGINNING. WE'VE HAD MR. RODRIGUEZ USE HIS TO HIRE HIS, HIS CAMPAIGN FLUNKIES, AND THAT PROCESS CONTINUES. UM, I KNOW THAT MR. RODRIGUEZ HAS MADE SOME SNARKY COMMENTS ABOUT NOT WEAPONIZING SHIRTS. I'M GONNA WEAPONIZE THE SHIRTS RIGHT NOW. YOU MADE A COMMENT A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO THAT, OH, YOU DON'T THINK YOU'D SPENT $200 ON SHIRTS? NO. BETWEEN YOU AND MR. BUSH, YOU'D SPENT WELL OVER $400 ON SHIRTS AND JACKETS AND JUNK LIKE THAT. I'VE GOT THE RECEIPTS FROM THAT, FROM PUBLIC RECORD REQUESTS. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE YOUR LOVELY TRIP TO SACRAMENTO RECENTLY, WHERE YOU WENT UP THERE FOR $1,200 OF MY TAX MONEY JUST TO GO UP AND HANG OUT FOR THE EVENING AND HAVE FUN, AND THEN HANG OUT FOR THE MORNING AND THE LUNCHTIME, AND THEN BE ON AN AIRPLANE BACK HERE BY THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON. YOU ALSO HANDED OVER $450 OF THEIR TAX MONEY TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S A LABOR GROUP THAT YOU LIKE. AND THEY'RE GONNA TURN RIGHT AROUND [04:15:01] AND THEY'RE GONNA DUMP IT BACK INTO YOUR CAMPAIGN COFFERS. OKAY? THAT'S HOW THIS SYSTEM WORKS. THIS IS NONSENSE, AND IT SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING. THE FACT THAT WE'RE HAVING TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS UP HERE ABOUT WHAT TRIPS PEOPLE CAN TAKE TO SACRAMENTO SHOWS HOW FOUL THIS INHERENTLY IS. AT MINIMUM, YOU SHOULD BE CUTTING THESE BUDGETS, THE COUNCIL BUDGETS WAY, WAY, WAY BACK TO SOMETHING APPROPRIATE. BUT IT'S BEEN MISUSED FROM THE GET-GO. IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO BE MISUSED BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO FIGHT OVER EVERYTHING, AND IT JUST SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING. NOBODY ELECTED YOU TO COME IN HERE AND SPEND A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A PIECE TOWARDS YOUR OWN INTERESTS, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND TAKING VACATIONS TO GO OFF TO PLACES BECAUSE YOU ENJOY CAR SHOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE CAN SEE THROUGH THAT. WE CAN PULL UP THE BROCHURE FOR THE CAR SHOW AND SEE THE GIRLS IN BIKINIS DANCING AROUND AND HOW CUTE THE WHOLE THING IS. SO LET'S CUT THE NONSENSE AND JUST ELIMINATE THE COUNCIL BUDGETS. I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU GUYS HAVE ACTUAL SUPPORT STAFF AS MR. BUSH IS DOING WITH HIS SUPPORT STAFF. THE REST OF THIS IS GARBAGE. OKAY. THAT IS ALL THE, UH, PUBLIC SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE. SO COUNSEL, THERE'S YOUR THOUGHTS AND YOUR PLEASURES, UH, ON THE, UM, EN ENHANCEMENTS. SO I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO OVERALL WE NEED, UH, WE'RE LEADING ORGANIZATION AS THE CITY MANAGER SAYS, AND WE'VE BEEN LEADING FOR A WHILE, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS THAT DO NEED MORE STAFF. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THESE ENHANCEMENTS ARE. WE, WE DO HAVE THE MONEY. IT'S, AND IT'S NOT TAPPING INTO RESERVES. IT'S OUR, THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE. SO I, I APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S, UM, SOME THESE OPTIONS THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, DELAY SOME, POTENTIALLY DELAY SOME OF THE SPENDING AND GET SAVINGS THERE. UM, BUT I, I STILL THINK ON THE ENHANCEMENTS, I WOULD STILL LIKE TO, THERE'S STILL AREAS I THINK THAT ARE, ARE MISSING. ONE OF THE AREAS IS IN OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES. AND SO ONE OF THE ENHANCEMENTS I TALKED TO CITY MANAGER, UM, ABOUT, UH, IS THE, IS IS PROGRAMMING, AND IT'S OUR SITE SUPERVISOR STAFF. SO THAT I, I THINK, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY, WHAT? THE SITE SUPERVISORS, ESPECIALLY FOR, UH, CAMACHO, JIM AND, AND CAA UDE. SO THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE, UM, ADDED AS ENHANCEMENTS. UM, AND I THINK IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ADDING ENHANCEMENTS FOR OUR OTHER, UM, SOME OF OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS, HR, UH, POLICE, UM, I THINK, I THINK WE, COMMUNITY SERVICES HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN REALLY BEHIND. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT AS LONG-TERM, UH, CRIME PREVENTION BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE STRUGGLES GOING ON WITH OUR YOUTH. BUT THAT'S ONE AREA I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS TONIGHT IS ADDING TWO OF THE, UH, OF SITE SUPERVISORS, UM, BACK IN FOR ENHANCEMENTS. MR. MAYOR? YES. UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I WOULD NOT TOUCH PUBLIC SAFETY. I THINK WE CAN REVISIT MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MR. CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE, UH, OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND MAYBE ENHANCE COMMUNITY SERVICES AND, AND, UH, PUBLIC WORKS, BUT LET US NOT TOUCH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY. THANK YOU. UM, MAYOR, CAN I INTERJECT PLEASE? UM, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE WERE TWO WRITTEN COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM. OH, YES. SO I WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THERE WERE, AND THEN WE'RE AT 10 30. YEAH. OH, YES. AND WE ARE AT 10 30. COULD WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE FOR, IS THAT ANOTHER HALF HOUR? SURE. MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO, UH, CONTINUE FOR AN ADDITIONAL HALF HOUR. UM, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. UH, OKAY. SO YOU JUST MADE A COMMENT. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ENHANCEMENTS YEAH. TO THE TWO SITE SUPERVISORS FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES. YEAH. I, AT THIS POINT, FOR ENHANCEMENTS, AND NOT PARTICULARLY TOWARD YOURS, BUT TOWARD ANY, I'D LIKE TO SEE A NEEDS ASSESSMENT FROM STAFF TO SHOW WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT WOULD DO AND EVERYTHING. I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT WITH EVERY POSITION, UH, WHETHER IT'S, UH, COMMUNITY SERVICES OR POLICE OR WHATEVER ELSE. IF IT'S AN ENHANCEMENT WE'RE GONNA ADD, THEN IT SHOULD BE ON A, BASED ON A NEEDS ASSESSMENT, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THESE ONGOING COSTS LIKE, UH, PERSONNEL. UM, AND AS SAY, VERY WELL MAKE, IT MAY MAKE ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD, BUT SO THAT WE JUST DON'T ARBITRARILY BE ADDING AND THEN FIND OUT AFTERWARDS. IT'S NOT REALLY AS, AS NEEDED AS WE THOUGHT. MAYBE. AND AS SAY, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. I, I LIKE THAT IDEA. BUT ARE WE DOING THAT [04:20:01] FOR EVERYONE, OR ARE WE JUST SAYING ONLY COMMUNITY SERVICES LIKE THIS PROPOSAL? OH, YEAH. I, I SAID IF IT WAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHATEVER, I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING PERSONNEL MM-HMM. ADDING NEW POSITIONS. YEAH. I, I, I, I THINK THAT JUST MAKES SENSE IN, IN, IN THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE AT. YES. ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT HAPPEN IN ORDER FOR US TO APPROVE THIS BUDGET? NO, NO, NO. WE COULD APPROVE THE BUDGET AND THEN THAT CAN COME BACK TO US AS SUPPLEMENTAL AT ANY POINT, BECAUSE THE, UM, THAT, THAT IS, I THINK THAT IS A GOOD SOLUTION TO THE, THE ONE QUESTION THAT I HAVE ON THIS, AND I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH MRS. YAMANI, IS, UM, THE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY ELEMENTS OF THE ENHANCEMENTS. UM, I COMPLETELY, UM, UH, SUPPORT THE, THE PORTIONS HERE THAT I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, IF I WAS ABLE TO, TO MAKE THE CHANGES THAT I WANTED AND THEN HAVE THEM HAPPEN, UH, I THINK WOULD SPEAK TO, UM, COMMUNITY SERVICES. MM-HMM. . AND, AND THE, THE ONE THING I'M LOOKING AT HERE IS A COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR. AND, UH, MR. MAYOR, YOU'RE SUGGESTING A NEEDS ASSESSMENT. AND IN FACT, I WOULD LIKE TO COMPARE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE PRIORITIZING WHICH DEPARTMENTS TO BEGIN DOING THIS NEEDS ASSESSMENT WITH, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING IT FIRST FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES. AND WHAT I'M, UM, THINKING AT THE MOMENT RIGHT NOW IS, UM, THE NEEDS OF THIS DEPARTMENT, WOULD IT BENEFIT FROM A COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR MORE, OR WOULD IT BENEFIT MORE FROM, UM, SITE DIRECTORS LIKE MR. BUSH JUST SUGGESTED? AND, AND THE, THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WORK THAT ISN'T BEING DONE AT THE MOMENT, UM, IS THAT MORE TOWARDS THE SER THE DIRECTOR SIDE OF THINGS OR THE PEOPLE FACING, YOU KNOW, UM, SITE DIRECTOR THINGS? AND IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I WOULD PUT MORE PRIORITY ON HIRING MORE FOLKS TO FULFILL THOSE SERVICES. THAT'S NOT TO SAY WE WOULDN'T HIRE A DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, SOME POINT DOWN THE LINE, I'M JUST SAYING THIS NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR THIS SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT IS SOMETHING I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH. OKAY. I DUNNO IF YOU, YOUR, THAT'S THE NUMBER BUSH FIRST. I MEAN, UH, RODRIGUEZ FIRST. OKAY, THEN I'LL SAY, SO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH. I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES. I, I THINK I MENTIONED LAST MEETING THAT, UH, WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING MORE SO, UM, HIRING INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE DIRECTLY DOING THE WORK AND C SITE SUPERVISORS FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT DO EXACTLY THAT. SO I, I DO THINK WE SHOULD EXPAND THAT. I THINK IN PREVIOUS YEARS LAST BUDGET CYCLE, WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED, UH, HAVING A, A BUDGET, AND THEN WE JUST KIND OF ASKED THE COMMUNITY SERVICE, UH, DIRECTOR AT THAT TIME TO KIND OF DEVELOP A PLAN. BUT IT WAS LIKE, IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS 200,000 LAST YEAR, I THINK IT WAS NOT UTILIZED. UH, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR A FEW YEARS. IT WAS NOT INCLUDED THIS YEAR. BUT PART OF THAT IS STAFFING UP AND PREPARING SO WE CAN OFFER SERVICES FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND, AND THE SUPERVISORS DO THAT. SO I, I DO THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE THOSE IN THE BUDGET. UM, YEAH, I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM US COMING BACK WITH SUPPLEMENTAL. I JUST DON'T WANT US TO ADD POSITIONS WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT WE'RE ADDING AND WHY WE'RE ADDING IT. AND I THINK IT'S JUST A SIMPLE PROCESS. AND THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT AND THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ON WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE PRIORITY NEEDED ON THIS, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD IT DO? AND WHAT I'M GONNA SAY, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK? WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU GETTING OUT OF THIS? YOU KNOW, WE COULD HIRE, WE COULD HIRE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE SUPERVISORS, BUT THERE'S NO ONE TO DO THE WORK THAT AIN'T GONNA DO ANY GOOD. SO, AND SO TO FIND OUT WHAT, WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. SO, IF I MAY, I, I MEAN, UH, CITY MANAGER, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER. SO COULD, AND YOU HAD A REQUEST FROM ONE OF YOUR, UM, DIRECTORS FOR THIS. SO COULD YOU SPEAK TO WHAT THAT IS SINCE? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THINK IT'S A, A FAIR REQUEST. UM, AND IT WILL BE MY JOB TO MAKE SURE, EVEN THOUGH YOU WOULD APPROVE THESE ENHANCEMENTS, INCLUDING THE COMMUNITY SERVICES, UH, REQUEST, UM, IT WOULD BE MY JOB TO MAKE SURE WE ANALYZE, USE THE TERM NEEDS ASSESSMENT. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA RUN FORWARD WITH THESE EXPENDITURES. WE ARE GOING TO SCREW, I AM GOING TO SCRUTINIZE THEM. I AM GOING TO HAVE, I'M STILL A NEWER CITY MANAGER. SO , YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL ANALYZING THE, UH, THE REPOSITIONING OF OUR DEPARTMENT. SO COMMUNITY SERVICES, WE'VE HAD SOME CHANGES THERE. MM-HMM. , UM, WE STILL NEED TO CONTINUE TO ANALYZE THAT. I NEEDED THE HELP OF A NEW HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR TO DO THAT. BUT IS THE ROOM FOR THOSE ENHANCEMENTS, ARE THEY IN THIS BUDGET THAT'S BEFORE US TONIGHT? OR WOULD THAT SOMETHING THAT HAVE TO BE ADDED ON TOP OF THAT FOR YOU TO CONSIDER? WELL, WE, WE CAN ADD THE ENHANCEMENTS TO THIS 1.939 MILLION. [04:25:03] UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT OF AN AMOUNT. OKAY. SO YEAH. THAT, THAT WOULD BE FINE. OKAY. UM, SO YES, YES. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE ENHANCEMENTS, THE REASON WHY WE PRESENTED THEM TO YOU IS BECAUSE WE FEEL STRONGLY THAT THEY ARE THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED. MM-HMM. THAT ARE WARRANTED. BUT IT STILL DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE IN OUR MIND. THEY'RE, THEY'RE AUTOMATIC. THEY'RE, EVEN WHEN THEY'RE APPROVED BY YOU, THAT WE'RE AUTOMATICALLY GONNA MOVE FORWARD. MM-HMM. , UM, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT IT. WE ARE GONNA SCRUTINIZE THESE ITEMS. MM-HMM. . AND, AND WE WILL, I, IN, IN MY VIEW, MANY OF THEM WILL BE PUSHED IN BEYOND THE MID MIDYEAR, UM, CYCLE. MM-HMM. , BECAUSE WE NEED TO LIVE THROUGH THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OR SO, . SO BREATHE AND NEED TO, YEAH. SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY DO NEXT CALENDAR YEAR, THAT, BUT PULLING THE TRIGGER ON MOST OF THESE BEFORE THAT I WILL HAVE A REPORT AND THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT. AND, AND THEN AT, AT THIS DAY AS WHERE YOU WILL BE UNDERSTANDING WHY WE SATISFY YOUR CONCERNS, WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD ON SOMETHING. SO, YEP. MEMBER MOLINA. THANK YOU. UM, UH, I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS ALREADY, BUT I'M STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IT THAT WE ARE APPROVING TONIGHT. AND SO IF, UM, THE PROPOSED BUDGET SUMMARY THAT MR. VALEZ PRESENTED THE SLIDE, THAT DOES SHOW THE FISCAL YEAR 25 WITH BUDGET REDUCTION PLAN, WHICH MEANS WE WOULD NEED THE USE OF OUR FUND BALANCE TO BALANCE OUR BUDGET, WHICH WOULD BE IN THE REALM OF ABOUT $5 MILLION INSTEAD OF THE 7 MILLION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, TWO WEEKS AGO. I, IF THAT'S WHAT WE ARE APPROVING TONIGHT, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT MOTION. THAT, THAT THAT IS CORRECT. UH, COUNCIL, I, I DO WANT TO INCLUDE THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE JUST HAD ABOUT, UH, A NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES. SPECIFICALLY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE THING, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . BUT, UM, TO CAPTURE THIS CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD ABOUT COMMUNITY SERVICES, I WONDER IF, UM, IF WE CAN MAKE THE CHANGE THAT YOU JUST AGREED TO MR. CITY MANAGER TO INCLUDE IN THAT GRAND TOTAL OF THE ENHANCEMENTS. UH, THE SITE DIRECTORS THAT WE ARE SAYING YES, ARE LIKELY CRUCIAL AND BASED ON A NEEDS ASSESSMENT ARE LIKELY GOING TO GET A HIGH RANKING. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE YES, THEN THAT'S THE MOTION FOR, FOR WHATEVER IS NEEDED IN THE, THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT. SO IT MIGHT BE A SITE DIRECTOR MIGHT WELL, I, TOO FAR IT MIGHT, YEAH. WHATEVER'S NEEDED OFF OF THIS LIST. RIGHT. PLUS THE SITE, YOU KNOW, PLUS THROW THE SITE DIRECTOR OR THE SITE? UM, BOTH, I THINK SITE, SITE SUPERVISOR, I BELIEVE IN THE LIST WAS THE TITLE. TITLE, OKAY. TWO, BUT THAT'S TWO SITE SUPERVISOR. OKAY. SO THAT WAS YOUR MOTION. YES. WITH THE BUDGET REDUCTION PLAN. RIGHT. WITH THE BUDGET REDUCTION PLAN. DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. WE DO HAVE A SECOND COMMENT. THANK YOU. UM, I THINK WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THAT DEFICIT IS NOT GONNA GO TO THE BUDGET RIGHT AWAY. MM-HMM. , THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT. WE WILL KNOW WHERE WE ARE WHEN, WHEN WE ASK OUR CITY MANAGER, WHERE ARE WE? AND I ALWAYS ASK HIM THAT, WHERE ARE WE? AND SO, SO YOU WILL SEE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN JUST LIKE WHAT THE REPORT FROM MR. VALEZ, MR. FIELD, LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD, THE ACTUALS AND THE, AND THE, UM, AND THE BUDGET VERSUS THE ACTUALS FROM, FROM PREVIOUS YEARS. SO YOU DON'T PULL THAT MONEY RIGHT AWAY. WE ARE GOING TO WORK IT OUT. MM-HMM. IN SETS AWAY THAT OUR DEFICIT WILL, WILL BE LOWER THAN WHAT WE ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW. MM-HMM. , THANK YOU. AND REAL QUICK, CAN I JUST ADD TO THAT, I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO JUST BE CAREFUL WITH THE LANGUAGE. 'CAUSE WE KEEP SAYING DEFICIT DEFICIT. IT'S PROJECTED PROJECTED DEFICIT. PROJECTED DEFICIT. SORRY. THANK YOU. SO THAT PROJECTED PART IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND I APPRECIATE, UH, VICE MAYOR FOR BRINGING ON, UM, DOING THE ANALYSIS OF THE LA AND MR. VALDEZ FOR BRINGING ON THE ANALYSIS. 'CAUSE IN THE LAST, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SIX YEARS, IT, IT, IT, THERE WERE NO DEFICIT. THERE WAS ONE YEAR WHERE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE, UM, WHERE WE SPENT MORE THAN WE EARNED, BUT THE REST OF THOSE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, THERE WAS NO DEFICIT. EVEN THOUGH WE KEPT SAYING IN THOSE YEARS DEFICIT DEFICIT. SO PROJECTED DEFICIT, AND THEN GIVING THE CITY MANAGER THAT, IF I COULD, AND THEN WE'LL GET TO MR. RODRIGUEZ, JUST REAL QUICKLY, UH, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THOSE YEARS, WE NEVER HAD A NUMBER QUITE THIS LARGE. AND IN THE SAME YEAR WE'RE LOOKING AT LABOR NEGOTIATIONS. DON'T FORGET THAT ONE. THAT ONE'S NO. SURE. AND YEAH, DON'T WANNA TAKE THAT REGARD. YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH. WE JUST DON'T WANNA TAKE IT FOR GRANTED BECAUSE WE, WE, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS HERE. OKAY. MR. RODRIGUEZ? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I APPRECIATE ALL MY COLLEAGUES, UH, COMMENTS AND THAT OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, CARING ABOUT OUR PROJECTED [04:30:01] DEFICIT AND ASKING TO RE REDUCE EXPENSES. I, I, UM, THERE IS AN EXPENSE THAT HAS, UH, MULTIPLE EXPENSES THAT HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN EXPANDED DURING, FOR NEXT YEAR, UH, AT LEAST, UH, PROPOSED EXPANSION. AND MAYBE I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A LITTLE CLARITY, UH, FOR THE MAYOR, FOR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION COSTS, THERE'S A TOTAL OF A $30,000 MM-HMM. INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR. THAT INCLUDES 15,000 MORE DOLLARS FROM 10 TO 25 FOR THE STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS, UH, GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSES FROM TWO TO FIVE, THAT'S A 3000 INCREASE. TRAINING FROM TWO TO 10, 8,000 MATERIALS FROM ONE TO FIVE TO 4,000 TOTAL INCREASE OF $30,000 TO A TOTAL SUM OF 278,000. UH, WHAT'S THE RATIONALE FOR THOSE? SURE. EXPENSES. UH, WE WERE ALL, I, AND WE REITERATED SEVERAL TIMES, ALL OF YOU TO PUT A PROPOSAL FOR YOUR BUDGETS, UH, TO THE CITY MANAGER. IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE AS IF THEY LOOKED LIKE THE ALLSTATE EXACTLY THE SAME FROM LAST YEAR. SO I ASSUME DIDN'T, I DID SIT DOWN WITH THE CITY MANAGER. WE LOOKED OVER WHAT WAS NEEDED WITHIN THE OFFICE. UH, AND REMEMBER LAST YEAR YOU GUYS TOOK OUT OF THAT BUDGET $15,000? WE, WE DID NOT. YOU DID? NO, I DID NOT. I'M TELLING YOU, I PROPOSED. I NEVER REMEMBER ANY MOTION OR YOU PROPOSED THAT YOU'RE THE ONE THAT PROPOSED IT. I REMEMBER HAVING THAT CONVERSATION. OH, NO, NO, NO. WE'LL GO BACK AND LOOK ON THE TAPE ON THAT ONE. YEAH. UH, 'CAUSE I VOTED AGAINST IT. UM, THE, UH, SO THERE WAS A REDUCTION OF $15,000 OUT OF THE MAYOR'S BUDGET. UH, THE OFFICE, JUST THE OFFICE BUDGET AT THAT POINT. AND SO WHAT WAS DONE, WE TAKE A LOOK AT AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS, AND SHALL WE SAY, LIKE IN THE FORM OF TRAVEL AND SNO ONLY TRAVEL, BUT ALSO REPRESENTATION, UH, THAT BUDGET HAS BEEN FOR THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL SINCE BACK WHEN GEORGE WATERS WAS MAYOR HAS BEEN SET AT $2,000. WELL, NOW, IN YOUR BUDGETS FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT'S $8,000. BUT FOR THE MAYOR'S BUDGET IS STILL THE $2,000. WE KNOW THAT SINCE THE DAYS OF GEORGE WATERS, THAT THE COST OF TRAVEL, THE COST OF HOTELS, AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING HAS SKYROCKETED. UM, SO, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE SITUATIONS I KNOW WHERE, LIKE THE OTHER, THE OTHER MAYORS, WHICH ARE, MOST OF 'EM ARE PART-TIME MAYORS KEEP ASKING ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GO, LIKE, AS THE SOUTH BAY MAYORS, WE NEED TO GO TO WASHINGTON DC AND, AND ARGUE ABOUT OUR, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT ARE, UH, PARTICULAR TO OUR AREA. STUFF ALONG THAT LINE. I DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET TO DO THAT. THEY'RE PART-TIME, BUT THEIR CITY'S GIVEN THE BUDGET TO GO AND DO THAT KIND OF ADVOCATION FOR THEIR CITY. SO THAT WAS THE REASON THAT THAT WAS MOVED UP. THE OTHER ONE WAS LIKE, FOR THE, UH, OFFICE MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES, IT WAS LIKE 5,000 BEFORE IT, IT GOT, IT GOT BUMPED DOWN TO $1,000. AND SO AT THE SAME TIME, YOUR OFFICE SUPPLIES ARE LIKE 5,000. I THINK IT'S, I'D HAVE TO LOOK ON THE EXACT AMOUNT, UH, FOR PART-TIME OFFICES AS OPPOSED TO THE FULL-TIME OFFICE. UM, THE OTHER ONE, THE MAIN ONE WAS THERE, WAS THE STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS, WHICH WE DIDN'T EVEN DO ONE LAST YEAR. I'M NOT TOO SURE IF WE'LL EVEN DO ONE THIS YEAR. BUT THE LAST ONE THAT WE DID WAS, IN 2018, THE AMOUNT THAT WAS EXPENDED WAS $18,000. NOT OF CITY MONEY. IT WAS MONEY THAT WE WENT AND GOT DONATIONS FOR. BUT WHEN THE PREVIOUS MAYOR, THE, THE LAST MAYOR CAME INTO OFFICE, HER DEAL WAS $18,000 WAS SPENT ON THE PREVIOUS, UH, OH, UH, STATE OF THE CITY. THEREFORE, THIS ADMINISTRATION SHOULD HAVE THE SAME DEAL AND PUT IT IN THE BUDGET. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS IF WE WENT AND DID ONE AGAIN, AND, UH, THAT, AND WE KNOW THE COST IS ON ALL THIS STUFF HAS WENT UP SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE THEN. AND IN A LOT OF CITIES, THAT'S NOT EVEN PART OF THE MAYOR'S BUDGET. THAT'S, THAT'S A SEPARATE CITY BUDGET, UH, TO DO STATE OF THE CITIES. 'CAUSE IT'S A CITY PROGRAM. UM, SO THAT'S THE MAIN THING. THAT WAS 15,000 JUST ADDITIONAL ON THAT, BECAUSE LAST YEAR THAT GOT CUT IN HALF. AND, UH, SO THAT WAS JUST, WHAT'S THE TOTAL FOR THE PROPOSAL OF YOUR BUDGET OR FOR THE STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS? WHAT'S THE TOTAL THEN THAT'S BEING PROPOSED? THE NEW ONE? UH, 25. SO 25,000. YEAH. I'LL SAY THIS REALLY INTERESTING TOO. UH, I'M GONNA SAY THIS REAL QUICK. ESPECIALLY THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT KEEP TALKING ABOUT SLUSH FUND AND OUR COUNCIL BUDGETS. I NEVER HEAR A PEEP FROM YOU GUYS ABOUT HIS BUDGET. IT'S ALL FOCUSED ON US. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE RIGHT HERE, IT WASN'T PART OF OUR LAST DISCUSSION ABOUT BUDGET, THIS NEW INCREASE THAT, FUNNY ENOUGH, WAS SEPARATED INTO THE CONVERSATION OF BUDGET. I'M GLAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW. RIGHT? I DO THINK YOU HAVE SOME LEGITIMATE MM-HMM. , UM, PROPOSALS HERE. I DON'T LIKE, YOU KNOW, ON THE TRAVEL. I THINK THAT'S OKAY. I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UM, STATE OF THE CITY, THAT 25,000 LIKE THAT, I, I DON'T THINK I WOULD [04:35:01] S SUPPORT THAT AT THIS POINT. I'M OPEN TO IT, LIKE I'M OPEN TO OR COMING BACK ON IT, BUT, AND I'M NOT EVEN SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE SPENT, BUT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE, AT YOUR OFFICE BUDGET, NOT TALKING ABOUT PERSONNEL, BUT YOUR OFFICE BUDGET FOR THE PART-TIME COUNCIL MEMBERS IS AT 40,000. SO AT THIS PROPOSAL FOR THE FULL-TIME MAYOR'S OFFICE, IT WOULD BE 45,000. AND YET YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AND THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS TO A SPECIFIC PROGRAM, WHICH WOULD BE THE STATE OF THE CITY IF WE DO IT. UH, AND SEE NORMALLY, AND I SAY WHAT WE DID BEFORE WAS WITH DONATIONS. I WOULD PREFER TO DO THAT. NOW, YOU CAN'T DO THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE AT LEAST 12 MONTHS NOTICE, BECAUSE GETTING DONATIONS AHEAD OF TIME, YOU GOTTA, THEY ALL THESE COMPANIES HAVE BUDGETS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON THE SPUR OF THE MOMENT. UH, BUT AS I SAY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM IF CITY ATTORNEY DOESN'T HAVE PROBLEMS OF IN THE FUTURE, ONCE AGAIN, USING THE DONATIONS LIKE WE DID IN THE PAST. AND SO THEREFORE, IT'S NOT EVEN A BUDGET ITEM AT ALL. BUT IF WE WAS TO DO ONE THIS YEAR, THIS IS A BA BASICALLY ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND THAT WAS IN CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER. THIS CAME UP BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER, IF THAT LAST DEAL, I ASKED ALL OF YOU, PLEASE TALK TO THE CITY MANAGER AND GIVE A PROPOSAL FOR YOUR BUDGETS, AND YET YOURS ALL LOOK IDENTICALLY THE SAME FROM LAST YEAR. SO THERE WAS NO CHANGE. UM, THE OTHER THING I MIGHT SAY, AND I KNOW IT DID COME UP, THAT THERE'S ALSO A DEAL IN THERE ABOUT SALARY, A HUNDRED, UH, THOUSAND, UH, $10,000. I BROUGHT IT UP TO STAFF. WE JUST GOT A CLARIFICATION ON THAT. WHEN YOUR SALARIES WERE RAISED 30%, THAT WAS PUT IN ON LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, BUT FOR SOME REASON, THE 15% OF MINE WAS NOT PUT IN. SO THEREFORE, THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG JUMP. THE ONLY OTHER THING IN THERE IS YOUR COLA, WHICH WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE THAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR THE COLA, THE SAME COLA THAT ALL THE EMPLOYEES. AND THAT WAS IN THERE BETWEEN THAT IT ADDED UP TO THAT AMOUNT. BUT THIS WAS FROM, THIS WAS FROM DECEMBER OF 2000, WHATEVER, 22. AND, BUT IT DIDN'T, YOUR 30% CAUGHT IN ON YOUR, ON YOUR BUDGET THIS LAST YEAR. THE 15% DID NOT. IS THAT, AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? UH, THAT IS CORRECT. UH, THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE APPROVED IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS MARCH OF 2023. RIGHT. UH, FOR AN INCREASE FOR THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL. UH, THIS WAS DURING THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. UM, WHEN WE WERE DEVELOPING THE BUDGET, WE WERE AWARE OF WHAT THE COUNCIL INCREASE WOULD BE. SO WE BUDGETED FOR THAT. UH, WE WERE NOT YET AWARE OF WHAT THE MAYORS WOULD BE. SO, UH, THAT INCREASE WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE 24. RIGHT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THAT, SO THERE, THERE IS NO REQUEST FOR ANY SALARY INCREASES THIS YEAR. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S, THAT'S CLEAR FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND I, AND I THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION ON THAT. UH, IT IS PART OF THE, UH, PROJECTED OR, UH, SCHEDULED INCREASE IN SALARY. SO I, I, I DO, UH, AGREE WITH YOU. WHAT I, WHAT I DON'T DISAGREE WITH, OR WHAT I DISAGREE WITH THOUGH, IS THE MAINTENANCE OP AND OPERATIONS COST. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I HEAR YOU SAY, I, UH, THERE'S OTHER MAYORS IN OTHER CITIES THAT DO LOBBYING TRIPS TO SACRAMENTO ON BEHALF OF THEIR CITIES. YOU KNOW, SO THAT IS ACCORDING TO YOU, ADVOCACY FOR YOUR CITY. MM-HMM. . BUT AS FOLKS HAVE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, A A 300, $400 TRIP TO SACRAMENTO ON BEHALF OF OUR CITY THAT IS JUST A SLUSH FUND, YOU KNOW, THAT THE INCONSISTENCIES OF THINGS I THINK IS NOT OKAY. AND, AND I DO THINK THAT INDIVIDUALS LOSE CREDIBILITY WHEN ALL THEY TALK ABOUT IS A BUDGET, BUDGET, BUDGET, BUDGET, AND FAIL TO SAY, HEY, $30,000 IN ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR NO REAL GOOD REASON IS PROBABLY A BAD IDEA CONSIDERING WE'RE IN A BAD ECONOMIC TIME AND WE'RE FACING, UH, UH, CUTS IN EVERY ONE OF OUR DEPARTMENTS. SO I, I, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA, UH, SORRY TO ADOPT THE, UH, UH, BUDGET, UM, EXCLUDING THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION, UH, ADDITIONAL EXPENSES FOR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE FROM, UH, FOR NEXT YEAR. MR. MAYOR, IS THERE A SECOND? MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND. I'M WILLING TO AMEND, UH, AS THE, UH, IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION IS, UH, OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION ON THE FLOOR, UM, IS OPEN TO DISCUSSING SOME OF THE, THOSE ITEMS, YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO AMEND THE MOTION ON, ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS. SO, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I HAVE QUESTIONS. THEY'RE STILL NOT CONVINCED ON THE INCREASE FOR, UM, THE STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS. BUT I DO SUPPORT IF THE, THE TRAVEL EXPENSE INCREASE. I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. IN LOOKING AT THE OTHER ITEMS, FOR EXAMPLE, WELL, LEMME JUST SAY, AS I SAY, LAST YEAR, THE STATE OF THE CITY WAS ARBITRARILY CUT IN HALF. AND SO, AND SO THIS [04:40:01] IS JUST AN INCREMENTAL INCREASE OVER WHAT WAS THE PAST EXPENSES, REALIZING THE INCREASE. THIS WAS IN CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WHICH I ASKED ALL OF YOU TO DO ON YOUR BUDGETS. ALSO, THE, UH, UM, BUT, AND AS I SAY, I KNOW, REMEMBER RODRIGUEZ LOVES TO MISREPRESENT AND MISQUOTE ME, BUT THE, UH, WE DID NOT SAY THAT WE SHOULD NOT DO REPRESENTATION. WE SHOULD NOT DO LOBBYING. UH, IT WAS TALKING ABOUT DOING IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UM, WITH OUR CITY, UM, LEGISLATIVE PLAN, THINGS ALONG THIS LINE. UM, SO ANYWAY, THERE WE DO HAVE THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, AS I DO AGREE WITH, UM, UH, I THINK I UNDERSTOOD, UM, MEMBER BUSH SUGGEST AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION, WHICH IS TO AGREE WITH THE REQUEST FOR THE MAYOR'S TRAVEL BUDGET. BUT WHAT, WHAT ABOUT THE BUDGET FOR THE STATE OF THE CITY LIKE THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD, WOULD AT LEAST PUT OFF ON HOLD. SO AT LEAST PUT ON THAT ON HOLD. SO NOT APPROVE IT RIGHT NOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME, LIKE EXPENSE, SOME ESTIMATED EXPENSES OR A REPORT ON HOW THAT 25,000 WOULD BE SPENT BEFORE I'D BE COMFORTABLE APPROVING IT. SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROPOSED INCREASE ON THE, UM, UH, ON, ON THE STATE OF THE CITY. THAT, THAT I DON'T, I, I DON'T SUPPORT. AND I'M WILLING TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SALARY THAT, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE SALARY. I'M FINE WITH THE SUGGESTED AMENDMENT ABOUT DROPPING THE EVENT, ABOUT NOT APPROVING THE 20 5K FOR THE STATE OF THE CITY UNTIL, UH, MORE DETAILS COME ABOUT. WELL, WE CAN SHOW YOU WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST WITH THE DONATIONS AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN OKAY. SHOW YOU THAT TYPE OF STUFF AND WHAT THE COSTS ARE. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VIDEOGRAPHER AND WE JUST HAD A CONTRACT FOR $15,000 FOR A VIDEOGRAPHER. SO ANYWAY, BUT WE CAN SHOW YOU WHAT KIND OF, WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE, BUT IT WAS NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING LIKE THAT. BUT WE CAN DO THAT. BUT I CAN JUST TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT WE ARE INTO JUNE. THERE CANNOT BE A STATE OF THE CITY THIS YEAR THEN, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TIME ENOUGH TO PLAN IT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING. UH, MAYOR, CAN I ASK, WHAT IS THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW FOR THE STATE OF THE CITY? IS IT ZERO? IT WAS AT 10,000. CAN'T WE LEAVE IT LIKE THAT? YEAH, BUT IT WON'T BE, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TO DO IT. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU. WELL JUST, WELL JUST, YOU WORK WITH THAT AND THEN COME BACK LIKE, LIKE YOU MAKE US DO UH, YEAH. REASON, I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT THERE IS 10 K FOR A STATE OF THE CITY. AND IF THAT MEANS GOING ON ZOOM AND YOU KNOW, DOING IT FROM YOUR DESK, THAT'S PERFECT. MM-HMM. . I, I'M, I'M OPEN TO HAVING IT BE MORE, I'M JUST ASKING THE MAYOR TO COME BACK WITH SOME EXPENSES. SO I THINK YOU COULD STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE STATE OF THE CITY AND THEN YOU COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS, THIS IS, YOU COULD STILL DO, DO THAT WORK. AND LIKE, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT. I JUST WANT SOME RECEIPTS. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? HOW MUCH , THE, THIS, THE STATE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I WISH WE'D HAD THIS MUCH DISCUSSION ON THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND LAST YEAR. BUT ANYWAY, , SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, CAN, CAN WE JUST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 7 MILLION, I MEAN, TO 4.9 MILLION PROJECTED DEFICIT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH? 2,500. 25,000. BUT 25,000 GOING FROM 10 TH GOING FROM 18, DROPPING IT DOWN TO 10 AND TAKING IT BACK TO 25. WE JUST PAID FIREWORKS FOR 25,000. I KNOW. SO WHAT'S OUR PROBLEM? WHAT'S OUR PROBLEM? . IT'S CALLED POLITICS. WELL, CAN I CALL THE CALL THE VOTE? OKAY. SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE, THE, THE MOTION NOW WE GOTTA MAKE SURE, SINCE THERE WAS AMENDMENTS, MAKE SURE EXACTLY WHAT IS THE MOTION AND THE AGREEMENT OF THE SECOND. THE MOTION THAT I HAD PROPOSED WAS APPROVE THE BUDGET AS PROPOSED BY STAFF, INCLUDING THE, UM, UH, THE PLANNED REDUCTION PLAN, PLUS INCLUDING IN THE ENHANCEMENTS LIST, A, UM, POSITIONS FOR FILLING, UH, SITE SUPERVISORS FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT. AND THEN I AM WILLING TO AMEND THAT MOTION TO, UM, TO NOT PAY 25,000. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S KEEP THE STATE OF THE CITY COST 10 K OR REMOVE 20 5K KEEP, I THINK IT'S TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL 10 K AND NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSED 20 5K. YES. AND THEN I DO AGREE [04:45:01] WITH UPPING THE MAYOR'S REQUEST FOR M AND O AND, UH, TRAVEL EXPENSES TO MATCH CITY COUNCIL'S TRAVEL EXPENSES. THAT'S THE MOTION. IS THAT CLEAR? OKAY. SO THE REDUC, JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO THE REDUCTION OF THE 15,000 IN THAT WILL PUT US BACK TO WHAT YOU REDUCED THE M AND O LAST YEAR. YOU REDUCED IT BY 15,000. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. SO OBVIOUSLY CAN, CAN I INTERJECT? YES. SO THANK YOU COUNSEL. , I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA HELP YOU GUYS IN THIS , BUT UH, WE DO HAVE A BUDGET RESOLUTION THAT'S BEFORE YOU. RIGHT. AND I GUESS I WOULD ASK FOR CLARITY AS TO WHETHER THE BUDGET RESOLUTION THAT IS HERE IS REFLECTIVE OF THE MOTION THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE. GOOD QUESTION. OR DO WE NEED TO MAKE SOME REVISIONS TO THE NUMBERS ON YOUR BUDGET? IS THAT RIGHT? I, I THINK WE DO NEED TO MAKE A, UH, UM, AMENDMENTS TO THE RESOLUTION. SO I WOULD AMEND, UH, THE, UM, IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AGREES, AMEND IT SO THAT WE'RE ALSO UPDATING THE RESOLUTION LANGUAGE TO REFLECT THE CHANGES THAT WE JUST PROPOSED ON THE TWO SITE SUPERVISORS AND THE REDUCTION OF THE PROPOSED MAYORAL STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS. YEAH. THE, THE NUMBERS ON THE RESOLUTION DO NOT REFLECT THE TWO, UH, RECREATION SUPERVISOR POSITIONS. UM, WHICH BASED UPON THE INITIAL REQUEST DURING THE PROCESS, UH, ARE ESTIMATED AT ABOUT, UM, A HUNDRED SEVENTY ONE A HUNDRED SEVENTY 2000. SO THAT WOULD BE AN INCREASE THERE. AND THEN, UM, DEPENDING ON THE, UH, THE PROPOSAL ON THE, ON THE STATE OF THE UNION, THAT WOULD BE A REDUCTION THEN OF 15,000. SO, UM, THE RESOLUTION WOULD NEED TO BE CHANGED TO REFLECT AND THEN THE, UH, EXHIBIT THAT LISTS THE, UH, COST BY FUND THAT WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE ADJUSTED. NOW, BASED ON THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE TONIGHT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST GONNA BE ADMINISTRATIVE? IN OTHER WORDS, THEY CAN MAKE THE MOTION, YOU CAN REVISE THE NUMBERS AND JUST ADMINISTRATIVELY WE CHANGED THE RESOLUTION? I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. UM, THE REC SUPERVISORS POSITIONS, WHEN THEY WERE FIRST BROUGHT FORWARD, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES AS TO THE LEVEL, UH, THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE BROUGHT ON AT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, REVISIT THAT AS PART OF THE, UH, NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND JUST, UH, THEN COME UP WITH A DEFINITIVE NUMBER AT THAT POINT. THAT'S WHEN THE CITY MANAGER WILL, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA RETURN ANYWAY. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S WHEN THE CITY MANAGER WILL COME BACK. SORRY. OKAY. BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE ON. YOU GOTTA ADOPT A RESOLUTION THAT REFLECTS YOUR BUDGET. MM-HMM, . MM-HMM. AND WHAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT YOU'RE GONNA DO IN THE FUTURE. YOU GUYS DO THAT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING FOR PURPOSES OF HAVING THIS RESOLUTION REFLECT THEIR ACTION, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS YOU CAN DO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY AND YOU'LL UPDATE THIS RESOLUTION. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. SO YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. OKAY. OKAY. CLARIFICATION. YES. JUST SO I'LL POINT OF CLARIFICATION TOO. SO, UM, IN, IN OUR, UH, UH, ONE OF OUR, UH, BRIEFINGS, NOT TODAY, BUT BEFORE, SO, UM, I DID POINT OUT TO STAFF THAT FOR, UM, MY PROPOSAL 'CAUSE WE WERE ALL, YOU KNOW, DOING PROPOSALS FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IT WITH MY FTE THAT'S ALREADY, UM, IN PLACE. AND I, I NEEDED TO COME BACK WITH THE SPECIFIC, UH, NUMBER OF, OF WHAT'S AFTER THE FTE AND THE BENEFITS, WHAT, WHAT'S LEFT OVER, WHICH I THINK WAS LIKE 8,000. SO I JUST NEED TO, SO I DON'T, UH, I WAS TOLD BY, BY STAFF TODAY THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. 'CAUSE THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND ISN'T CHANGING. SO THAT, THAT ISN'T GONNA REQUIRE A CHANGE HERE. BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, IT'S, WE, WE STILL NEED TO SUBMIT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, WHAT THAT WOULD BE AND THEN BY IN TWO WEEKS THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE, UM, AS FAR AS HOW WE'RE SHOWING THE BUDGET. YES. YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEING REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET BOOK. YEAH. SO WHAT I'VE REQUESTED OR WHAT I'M DOING ISN'T BEING REFLECTED YET. YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT I DIDN'T MAKE THAT REQUEST. YEAH. THAT WAS, YEAH, WHAT I'D ASK EVERYONE TO KINDA SIT DOWN WITH HIM. SO THAT WOULD BE REFLECTED. AND THAT'S THE REASON MINE WAS REFLECTED IN THERE. AND SO, AND, AND MINE SHOULD BE TOO, BUT, ALRIGHT. IT DOESN'T CHANGE THAT, THAT AMOUNT. NO, NO. IT'S STILL THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND OVERALL, SO, OKAY. UM, UM, OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SO JUST, [04:50:01] JUST SO WE KNOW, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS LOVE A DEAL OF EQUITY. SO THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION FOR THE FOUR PART-TIME COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL BE 40,000 AND THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION FOR THE MAYOR'S FULL-TIME MAYOR'S OFFICE WILL BE 30,000. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON. NOW, DOES THAT INCLUDE BUT THE TOTAL, THE OF OUR STAFF TOO OR NO? NO, THAT, THAT'S YOUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION. THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT SALARIES. OKAY. BUT I, I DON'T THINK MINE WILL BE THAT THOUGH. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S JUST, YEAH, SO MINE WOULDN'T, WELL, I DON'T PLAN ON SPENDING ALL MINE EITHER, SO NEVER DO, BUT ANYWAY, TO INCREASE, HUH? I DID, BUT I BROUGHT IT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS AT LAST YEAR. WE, THEY TOOK OUT 15,000. THE DEAL WAS TO ADD 30,000 TO IT THIS YEAR, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN THE 15,000 PLUS BRING IT UP MORE TO MODERN DAYS TO THE 15,000. IT'S BUDGET HASN'T TOUCHED THEM. SO IT'S FROM 130 TO HOW MUCH THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION, I GOTTA LOOK THAT UP HERE REAL QUICK. THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION, UH, WAS 15,000. OKAY. WAS THE WHOLE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION FOR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. OKAY. AND, AND SO WHAT WAS PROPOSED WAS 40 UP TO GO TO 45,000. MOST OF THAT WAS STATE THE CITY, BUT NOW WE WILL TAKE IT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS 30,000, WHICH WAS THE OLD BUDGET FOR MANY YEARS. AND, UM, YEAH. SO YOU'RE INCREASING IT BY 15 15 15 OVER, IT WAS REDUCED BY 15 LAST YEAR. THIS THIS'LL ADD 15 TO IT JUST TO BRING IT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS AT LAST YEAR. OKAY. AND FOR THE RECORD, I AT NO POINT LAST YEAR REQUESTED A REDUCTION OF YOUR BUDGET. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT REQUEST CAME FROM. I THINK IT DID COME FROM YOU MAYOR, BECAUSE I, I KNOW IT WASN'T ME. JOSE'S SAYING IT WASN'T HIM. SO THEN BY PROCESS OF ELIMINATION, IT ONLY HAD TO COME FROM EITHER LOOSE OR FROM DITAS WHO REQUESTED THE REDUCTION? NO. SO I NEVER REDUCED YOUR, I NEVER INTENDED OR REQUESTED THAT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? CAN WE, CAN WE MOVE FORWARD PLEASE? IT'S 1115. YEAH. OR 1110. OKAY. SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT ABOUT AT THAT POINT. OH, ANYWAY. UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT MOTION IS. SO PRODUCTION OF 15 K, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. AND, UH, ANYWAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND THAT IS WHAT, WHAT? THIS IS THE ORIGINAL MOTION, RIGHT? THE ORIGINAL AMEND, YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS AMENDED. HIS ORIGINAL MOTION WAS AMENDED. AND, UH, SO, UM, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED BY FOUR TO ONE VOTE. OKAY. ALRIGHT, WE, UH, GO ON AND WITH THAT THEN. YOU GOT IT. [13. CITY MANAGER’S REPORT] UH, NEXT WE GO ON THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. UH, YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I WANTED TO REPORT JUST A COUPLE QUICK ITEMS. UM, STAFF DID, UH, WAS ABLE, UH, RECEIVE CONSENT AND WE WERE ABLE TO MEET OUT AT THE STARDUST MM-HMM. , UH, MOTEL PROPERTY TODAY. UM, WE, UM, WE WILL HAVE, UH, ONSITE SECURITY NOW AT THE PROPERTY. UH, LARGE DUMPSTERS. WE'RE ALREADY FILLED WITH TRASH TODAY, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CLEANUP. AND WE WILL BE, UM, OUR SPECIAL CONTRACTOR THROUGH STEVE'S DEPARTMENT WILL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, ONSITE. SO I THINK WE'RE PAST THE WORST OF THAT SITUATION. , WE STILL HAVE A LOT, LOT TO WORK ON THERE IN THE FUTURE. BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE, WE HAVE THAT SITUATION UNDER, UNDER CONTROL AND I WANT TO THANK OUR, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THAT. AND, AND ALSO WE'RE FINDING VERY GOOD TRACTION WITH OUR SPECIAL LEGAL COUNSEL THAT IS ASSISTING US WITH THAT MATTER. WHAT'S THAT GENTLEMAN'S NAME? UM, BARRY. UM, YOU WOULD DO THAT TO ME. . . WHAT'S HIS NAME? UH, IT'S SILVER. SILVER MATT. SILVER. MATT SILVER, YES. AND UM, SO, AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM WAS, I, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, COMMEND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY HANDLED A SITUATION RIGHT HERE TODAY, A STOLEN VEHICLE RIGHT HERE NEXT DOOR TO OUR CITY HALL RIGHT BEHIND US ON A AVENUE. I ACTUALLY MISSED IT PERSONALLY, BUT, UM, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SUSPECT WAS APPREHENDED AND, UH, WHICH [04:55:01] I FIND IS A CASE IN A LOT OF, UH, CRIME HERE IN THE CITY. IF, IF YOU COMMIT A CRIME IN NATIONAL CITY, PREPARE TO BE APPREHENDED, IF NOT IMMEDIATELY, UM, OR THE SAME DAY, WE'RE GONNA FIND YOU IN THE, IN THE WEEKS COMING. OR IF IT TAKES A YEAR, WE'LL STILL FIND YOU. SO THAT'S WHAT I READ. THAT'S WHAT I SEE AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW IF YOU COMMIT CRIME IN OUR CITY, UM, PREPARED TO FACE JUSTICE EVENTUALLY. WELL, THANK YOU CHIEF. AND THAT'S THE END OF MY REPORT. ALRIGHT. UH, [14. ELECTED OFFICIALS REPORT] THEN WE GO TO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS REPORT AND START DOWN HERE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, UH, JUST WANTED TO, UH, SEND THE CONDOLENCES TO, UM, UH, ELGAR CIA'S FAMILY, WHICH, UH, A YOUNG KID THAT, UH, PASSED AWAY THIS PAST WEEK FROM, UM, UH, RIDING A BICYCLE IN OUR, IN OUR CITY. UH, IT'S A TRAGIC LOSS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND I THINK, AT LEAST FOR ME AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, UM, REEMPHASIZING THE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SAFER STREETS. UM, THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN. AND, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO STRIVE FOR VISION ZERO SO THAT NO INDIVIDUAL IS HURT IN OUR COMMUNITY, JUST TRYING TO RIDE THEIR BIKE OR WALK AROUND. UM, SO I'M TERRIBLY SORRY FOR THE LOSS. IT'S BEEN A SAD WEEK FOR A LOT OF FOLKS AND, UM, YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. MUCH. YEAH, I I APPRECIATE THAT. I AGREE. UM, YEAH, IT WAS, IT IS REALLY, REALLY, UH, TRAGIC, UM, THAT THE FAMILY HAD TO MAKE THAT DECISION. THAT IS, I WAS HOPEFUL THAT HIS, UH, CONDITION WOULD BE BETTER AND HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GRADUATE, I THINK TOMORROW. SO I KNOW SWEETWATER FOLKS ARE REALLY, UH, REELING AND TO, TO BRING IT BACK. I MEAN, THIS IS WHY, UM, AS, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFICULT SOMETIMES FOR THE COMMUNITY TO, UM, ACCEPT, UM, SIDEWALK INFRASTRUCTURE, BIKE LANES. I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BE VERY CAREFUL ON HOW, LIKE JUST THE NUANCE AND HOW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT, THAT, AND, AND WE SEE ON SOCIAL MEDIA HOW MUCH IT'S CRITICIZED, UM, THAT, THAT WE REMEMBER. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PEOPLE'S LIVES AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT CIRCUMSTANCES AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN REACH OUT TO THE FAMILY AND WHATEVER WE AS, AS A BODY CAN DO TO HELP THE, THE FAMILY. BUT IT IS A TRAGEDY AT THE END. IT, AND IT'S NOT ABOUT WHO'S WHOSE FAULT, WHETHER IT'S THE KID'S FAULT OR NOT. IT, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN YOU HAVE A CAR VERSUS A BIKE, A CAR IS ALWAYS GOING TO WIN. AND WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING FOLKS TO, TO BIKE AND FEEL SAFE. SO, UM, BUT MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE FAMILY. UM, SO I HOPE WE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING CAN BE DONE THERE. AND THEN, UH, YEAH, JUST WANNA, I KNOW IT'S LATE, SO JUST WANNA THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR THE DISCUSSION. I KNOW IT'S LONG, BUT IT'S GOOD. WE DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT WE WANT, BUT WE'VE NEVER REALLY HAD HONEST, ROBUST, DIRECT CONVERSATIONS AS A BODY THAT I'VE SEEN FOR DECADES LIKE THIS. SO, AS UNCOMFORTABLE AS THEY MAY BE, I APPRECIATE ALL MY COLLEAGUES AND YES, EVEN YOU, RON, I APPRECIATE YOU TOO FOR YOUR PUSHBACK ON STUFF. THANKS. ALRIGHT. UH, RIVER MOON, THANK YOU. UM, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATES. I JUST WANTED TO, UM, MAKE MENTION OF THE FACT THAT, UM, I HAVE BEEN RECEIVING AND I KNOW THAT, UM, UH, OUR STAFF ALSO RECEIVES THESE. AND, UM, A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT PARKING SPECIFICALLY ON B STREET AND C STREET, UM, OR B AND C AVENUE. IT'S LATE AND, UH, FOURTH AND FIFTH AND SIXTH AND SEVENTH AND EIGHTH I THINK ARE THE STREETS. SO, UM, I JUST WANNA ANNOUNCE THAT I DO PLAN TO HAVE A, UM, THIS DISCUSSION AT ONE OF MY TOWN HALLS. UH, THE NEXT TOWN HALL WILL BE AT, UM, CAA, NO, I'M SORRY, YES, CA DE IN JULY. UM, AND I, IN, IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I WILL MAKE THIS KNOWN IN, IN ADVANCE. SO ANYBODY THAT IS INTERESTED IN THAT TOPIC, UM, EVEN THOUGH WE WON'T HAVE COUNCIL MEETINGS IN JULY, I WILL STILL BE HOLDING MY TOWN HALL AT CAS DE SALU AND, AND WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, JUST WANTED TOMORROW IS, UM, CONGRATULATIONS TO OTHER GRADUATES OF, UM, SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL, AND I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR CITY MANAGER FOR, UH, PAINTING IT OUT 2024 ON THAT, UM, STEPS AT THE HIGH SCHOOL. THANK YOU. UM, AND, UH, THAT WILL BE ENJOYED TOMORROW, UM, UM, JUNE 6TH, UM, COLLEAGUES, THERE IS A PHILIPPINE, IT'S OUR PHILIPPINE INDEPENDENCE DAY, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR, UM, FLAG RACING CEREMONY AT THE, UH, PARADISE VALLEY HOSPITAL FOR THE, UH, FOR THE 120 SIXTH ANNIVERSARY, HONORING THE PHILIPPINE INDEPENDENCE DAY. UM, YOU'RE ALL INVITED. UM, JUNE 15, WE HAVE OUR [05:00:01] COMMUNITY BUILD. UM, THANK YOU TO THE ENGINEER FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE FULFILL OUR ENHANCEMENT THAT WE HAD APPROVED LAST YEAR. IT'S HERE. AND, UM, WE'VE BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, GETTING VOLUNTEERS FOR, UM, THE, UH, KICKOFF OF THAT, UM, WATER CONSERVATION GARDEN. UM, I'M HOLDING AN OPEN HOUSE HERE AT CITY HALL, SECOND AND FOURTH, TUESDAYS, ONE TO THREE, ANYBODY'S IN INVITED. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, COME ON, COME ON DOWN. UM, CITY MANAGER, I HAD, UM, UH, SEVERAL GUESTS EARLIER ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINTS ABOUT SUMMER CREST, UM, THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN BACK IN THEIR, UH, HOMES. SO IF YOU WOULD BE VERY KIND TO DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT, PLEASE. UM, SO THEN WE CAN, UM, BRING OUR RESIDENTS BACK TO THEIR, TO THEIR HOMES. AND, UH, THAT'S ALL FOR ME, MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, YEP. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS ON OUR JUNE 18TH MEETING TO KIND OF WRAP UP HERE BEFORE THEY DO TAKE THE, UH, UH, JULY SUMMER, UH, RECESS AND, UH, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO LOOK FORWARD TO A NUMBER OF THINGS COMING UP ON IT WITH THAT, UH, CITY ATTORNEY. YES. WE HAD, UH, A CLOSED SESSION EARLIER THIS EVENING AND IT INVOLVED ONE ITEM INVOLVING THE CONFERENCE WITH LABOR NEGOTIATORS AND THERE'S NO REPORTABLE ACTION. MM-HMM, . OKAY. ALRIGHT. WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.