* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:05] ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, GET STARTED AND, UH, OKAY. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, IF WE CAN HAVE THE, UH, EXPLANATION FROM OUR INTERPRETER, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS WILL BE AN ANNOUNCEMENT FOR OUR SPANISH SPEAKER SPEAKERS. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, JUST A REMINDER, IF WE COULD PLEASE SILENCE ALL PHONES, UH, CELL PHONES, OR ANY OTHER DEVICES IN THE CHAMBERS, PLEASE, WE'D BE APPRECIATED. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER A LIVE WEBCAST. THE MEETING MAY BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. IF YOU ARE WATCHING VIA ZOOM, FOLLOWING THE SPANISH VERSION OF THE MEETING, INTERPRETER INSTRUCTIONS WILL APPEAR IN THE CHAT BOX AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN. FOR THOSE WHO REFER TO SIT IN THE CHAMBER, HEADSETS ARE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE LIVE SPANISH TRANSLATION, PLEASE SEE THE CITY CLERK'S DESK AND, UH, TO CHECK OUT, UH, A HEADSET. THE NOTICE, AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY'S WEBSITE INFORMS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN NUMBER OF WAYS, EITHER IN PERSON BY SUBMITTING ONE OF THOSE SALMON COLORED SLIPS. UM, AND IT'S CALLED THE REQUEST TO ENTER THE, UH, COMMENT QUEUE AND GET THOSE OVER TO THE CITY CLERK'S DESK JUST AS SOON AS POSSIBLE VIA ZOOM BY REGISTERING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND RAISING A HAND DURING THE ITEM TO COMMENT. OR BY EMAILING NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING. ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IF THEY ARE RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE. WITH THAT, COULD WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? COUNCIL MEMBER ANI HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH HERE. VICE MAYOR MOLINA. PRESENT. MAYOR MAR, UH, PRESENT. WE HAVE IT. AFFIRM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COULD WE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION? UM, COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ, WOULD YOU LEAVE US PLEASE? YOUR RIGHT HAND OVER YOUR HEART. READY, BEGIN MY PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FIGHT OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WITNESS STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, ANY VISIBLE WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL. GOOD EVENING, UH, PASTOR RUDY DWAYNE IS ALSO PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL CITY C CLEARY ASSOCIATION, HONORED TO BRING THE INVOCATION THIS EVENING. LET'S PRAY. GRACIOUS LORD, WE'RE GRATEFUL AND THANKFUL. ONE MORE TIME, UH, TO ENTER INTO THE CHAMBERS, TO TAKE CARE OF THE BUSINESS OF THE 9 1 9 5 0. LORD, I PRAY TONIGHT THAT THERE WILL JUST BE A SPIRIT OF TRUTHFULNESS, TRANSPARENCY, THERE TO BE A SPIRIT OF COHESIVENESS AND WORKABILITY AMONGST ALL THAT ARE DECISION MAKING TODAY. AND OH GOD, YOU SHOWED US THROUGH YOUR SON JESUS, THAT TRUTH WAS NOT JUST AN IDEA OR A SET OF RULES, BUT IT WAS AN IDENTITY. AND AS WE ENTER, LORD, IN THIS SEASON, THIS UPCOMING MONTHS, AS THERE'LL BE NEW ADMINISTRATION, NEW SEATS, THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY WILL CHOOSE WHO THEY WILL HAVE TO LEAD THEM. I PRAY THAT THERE WILL JUST BE TRANSPARENCY. MOST IMPORTANTLY, THERE'LL BE TRUTHFULNESS, THE IDENTITY OF THAT. I PRAY, LORD, THAT THERE'D BE HUGS. I PRAY, LORD, THAT THERE WOULD JUST BE SMILES INSTEAD OF SARCASM. AND I PRAY MOST IMPORTANTLY, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE AND LEAD THE CITY. NO DOUBT THERE'S SOME TOUGH TIMES AHEAD AND THAT'S THE TRUTH. BUT IF WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER AND IT STARTS AT THE TOP, IT JUST MAKES IT ALL THE WAY DOWN, TRICKLE DOWN TO LIVE HERE, TO WORSHIP HERE, TO RESIDE HERE, WHATEVER WE MIGHT DO, JUST MAKE THE CITY SAFER, MAKE IT MORE PROSPEROUS. SO I PRAY FOR THAT. WE'RE THANKFUL FOR RON MORRISON, THE OUTGOING MAYOR, LORD, FOR HIS COMMITMENT, THE DECADES LORD TO CIVIL SERVICE AND ALL THAT HE HAS BROUGHT. AND LORD, EVEN TO THE OPPORTUNITY, LORD, THAT I STAND HERE AT THIS PODIUM IS HIS CHOICE TO ALLOW US TO INVOCATE YOUR [00:05:01] PRESENCE, YOUR WISDOM, YOUR KNOWLEDGE, YOUR UNDERSTANDING. AND LASTLY, LORD, WE, WE WOULD BE REMISS IF WE WOULD NOT ASK YOU TO WATCH OVER OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL, FIRE DEPARTMENT, LORD, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, THOSE THAT TAKE CARE OF US WHILE WE SLEEP, MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS SAFE AND SOUND, WATCH OVER THEM, PROTECT THEM, AND ALL THAT WE DO IN THIS CHAMBERS, WE ASK IN YOUR MIGHTY NAME, JESUS AMEN. AS A MATTER OF BUSINESS, UH, A COUPLE ITEMS, UH, 6.1, WHICH IS THE, UH, INTRODUCTION OF, UH, NEW HIRES, UH, WILL NOT BE HEARD THIS EVENING. UH, 10.1, WHICH IS THE AGREEMENTS ON TOWING AND IMPOUND SERVICES THAT WILL NOT BE HEARD, UH, THIS EVENING. ALSO, UH, THOSE ARE, UH, TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE, UH, THE 15TH. SO WITH THAT, [5. PUBLIC COMMENT] WE WILL NOW GO INTO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS AND, UH, WE'LL NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS OR MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. AND, UH, SO WITH THAT, UH, I TAKE IT WE HAVE SPEAKERS. YES, WE DO. SHELLY, WE'RE JUST GONNA START WITH THE ZOOM. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. SO WITH THAT, UH, WE'LL GIVE EVERYONE, UH, UH, TWO MINUTES. REBECCA, RAF? YES. UM, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BECKY RAP, AND TONIGHT I WANNA BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION AN IMPORTANT BILL THAT GOVERNOR NEWSOM SIGNED INTO LAW YESTERDAY ON AUGUST 31ST. AND THAT WAS AB 2, 2 4 9. AND THIS LEGISLATION STRENGTHENS THE PROTECTIONS CALIFORNIA VOTERS WERE PROMISED WHEN THEY PASSED PROP 64, GIVING CITIES AND COUNTIES THE ABILITY TO PERMIT POT SHOPS IN OUR COMMUNITIES. VOTERS WERE PROMISED THAT SAFEGUARDS WOULD BE PUT INTO PLACE, PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN AND YOUTH. AND CLEARLY PROP 64 WAS NOT CLEAR ENOUGH AS THE INDUSTRY WAS LEFT TO DECIPHER WHAT WAS APPROPRIATE. AND WE'VE SEEN THIS IN ADVERTISEMENTS AND BILLBOARDS AND ON PACKAGING. SO THIS BILL STRENGTHENS AND CLARIFIES THOSE PROTECTIONS. IT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES CARTOONS AND CHILD ORIENTED IMAGERY, CANDY AND SWEETS, AND PRODUCTS THAT MIMIC GOODS PRIMARILY MARKETED TO CHILDREN. THESE PROTECTIONS ARE CRUCIAL AND WAY OVERDUE. THE CALIFORNIA POISON CONTROL SYSTEM, UM, REPORTED THAT CANNABIS RELATED CALLS MORE THAN DOUBLED BETWEEN 2016 AND 2024. EVEN MORE CONCERNING CANNABIS EXPOSURE CALLS INVOLVING CHILDREN UNDER SIX, INCREASED BY 445%. MOST REPORTED EXPOSURES IN YOUNG CHILDREN WERE UNINTENTIONAL AND EDIBLE CANNABIS PRODUCTS WERE INVOLVED IN THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE CASES. SO THESE NUMBERS REMIND US WHY THIS ISSUE IS NOT JUST ABOUT PACKAGING, BUT IT'S ABOUT CHILDREN AND REAL FAMILIES. OUR CITY MUST ACT NOW. PLEASE SUPPORT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF AB 2 24 9, EDUCATE OUR LOCAL MARIJUANA BUSINESSES ABOUT THE UPCOMING REQUIREMENTS, AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO REVIEW THEIR PACKAGING AND MARKETING. NOW, THIS BILL WILL ONLY WORK WHEN IT IS ENFORCED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR ZOOM COMMENTS. OKAY. BEFORE WE GO ON TO, IN, IN-HOUSE COMMENTS, UH, SOMETHING I OVERLOOKED, UM, IS THAT, I DON'T KNOW, DO WE HAVE, UH, ANY OF THE SCENT FAMILY IN THE AUDIENCE IF THEY'RE HERE OR NOT? UM, OKAY. WELL, WE WILL BE ADJOURNING OUR MEETING THIS EVENING IN MEMORY OF BILL SCENT. AND, UH, LONG TERM RESIDENT OF NATIONAL CITY WAS ON SEVERAL OF OUR COMMISSIONS. UH, AND HE WAS ALWAYS, HE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL. IF HE WAS ON A COMMISSION, HE WASN'T THERE. SO HE COULD JUST SAY, I WAS ON A COMMISSION. HE ACTUALLY WAS THE ONE WHO WAS, WHO WAS DILIGENT ABOUT DOING THE WORK AND GETTING INVOLVED. AND IF WHATEVER WORK NEEDED TO BE DONE, UH, HE WAS THE FIRST TO SAY, UH, OKAY, I'M HERE. WHAT, WHAT DO WE GOTTA DO? AND, UH, CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION, UH, DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS THAT HE, HE SERVED ON AND HE PASSED AWAY THIS LAST WEEK. SO, UH, WE WILL BE ADJOURNING TONIGHT'S MEETING IN, UH, MEMORY OF BILL SENT. SO WITH THAT, IF WE COULD NOW GO TO IN-HOUSE, UH, COMMENTS. JOANN FIELDS, FOLLOWED BY EDWARD NIETO, FOLLOWED BY MCKAYLA POLANCO EVENING MAYOR, COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF. I WANT TO THANK YOU, UH, MAYOR MORRISON, COUNCIL MEMBER MARCUS BUSH. WE ALSO HAVE IN THE AUDIENCE. UH, KAREN MCMANUS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL CITY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AT NATA WAS ALSO AT THE GRAND OPENING OF RIO'S BAKE SHOP CAFE. IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, UM, FOR THE AUDIENCE WATCHING, UM, THAT WAS A MAJOR HISTORICAL MOMENT FOR THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. WE BROUGHT COMMERCE, WE BROUGHT TOURISM [00:10:01] TO THE CITY. THAT'S WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO COME OUT OF THIS DEBT, THAT WE HAVE COMMERCE, THAT WE HAVE TAXES ALREADY BEING PAID. WHEN YOU ALLOW BUSINESS TO DO BUSINESS, IT HELPS THE CITY. SO, UM, FOR THANK YOU MAYOR FOR RECOGNIZING THE, UM, GRAND OPENING OF THE CAFE WITH THE PROCLAMATION. BECAUSE VALE'S BAKE SHOP IS THE FIRST, UM, TO OPEN IN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO RIGHT HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. AND ALSO WITH THE CAFE OPENING, HE HIRED MORE EMPLOYEES. IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, 90% OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT WORK AT RIOS ARE NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS. SO THAT'S COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT KEEPS THE MONEY CIRCULATING IN NATIONAL CITY. IT PROVIDES JOBS WHERE THE EMPLOYEES ARE NOW GOING TO SPEND THEIR MONEY IN THE CITY THAT THEY LIVE IN. SO, UM, I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THAT, UM, ACTIVE PARTICIPATION. AND WE HOPE TO HAVE MORE BUSINESSES, UH, OPEN IN NATIONAL CITY OR EXPAND SO THAT NATIONAL CITY BECOMES THE DESTINATION BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND LARGEST CITY IN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO. THANK YOU. EDWARD NIETO, FOLLOWED BY MCKAYLA POLANCO. GOOD EVENING. I'D LIKE TO, UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO BRING FORTH A NEW, NEW SUBJECT FOR DISCUSSION OF THE PUBLIC, OR CONSIDER BEING CHANGING THE TONE AT THE TOP. I THINK THIS IS THE BEGINNING. MEANINGFUL CHANGE MUST BEGIN WITH THE COUNCIL'S OWN CONDUCT AND DECISIONS. THE TONE AT THE TOP IS JUST NOT ABOUT ETHICS, IT'S ABOUT DIRECT FINANCIAL EFFECT ON TAXPAYERS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW. WHEN COUNCIL MEMBERS DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY, AND MEASURABLE RESULTS, THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION UNDERSTANDS THAT EVERY PUBLIC, UH, DOLLAR MUST BE JUSTIFIED. BUT WHEN LEADERS TOLERATE UNCLEAR SPENDING WEAK POLICIES AND PRO AND PROJECTS WITHOUT MEASURABLE OUTCOMES, THOSE PRACTICES SPREAD AMONGST THE CITY GOVERNMENT, THE CITY EMPLOYEES, AND THEY TOLERATE IT AND IT COMES ACCEPTABLE. YOU NEED TO CHANGE THAT. LOOK FORWARD TO THE CITY MANAGER. HOPEFULLY YOU CAN INTRODUCE SOME, SOME CHANGES IN THAT AREA. THE RESULT CAN BE WASTE TAX, UH, BUDGET DEFICITS, REDUCED SERVICES, AND HIGHER TAXES. THE COUNCIL SHOULD LEAD BY EXAMPLE, FOLLOW SOUND FI, UH, FINANCIAL POLICIES, AND HOLD ITSELF TO THE SAME STANDARDS. IT'S EXPECTING ALL THE CITY EMPLOYEES AND DEPARTMENTS TO HOLD TO THE TONE, ESTABLISHES THE TOP, AND EVENTUALLY REACHES DOWN TO THE CITY. BOTTOM LEVEL, MEANINGFUL REFORM MUST BEGIN WITH THE COUNCIL. I HOPE YOU ALL START DEVELOPING POLICIES IN THE UPCOMING, UM, BUDGET DELIBERATION, MCKAYLA POLANCO. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M ECHOING BASICALLY WHAT JOANNE FIELDS SAID. UM, I WAS AT TE'S KITCHEN WHEN I SAW THE, UH, VALERIO GRAND OPENING. I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE, UH, THE PARTICIPATION IN THE COMMUNITY COMING OUT. AND I AM ALL FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH. I AM A BIG STAKEHOLDER HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS. I HAVE A COUPLE BUSINESSES. I PAY A LOT OF TAXES. NOT ONLY PROPERTY TAXES, BUT ALSO SALES TAXES. UH, MY BUSINESSES DO CONSUME A LOT OF GOODS HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. SO OBVIOUSLY IT IS OF MY INTEREST AND OF THE INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS FOR THIS, UH, CITY TO FLOURISH AND TO BE SUCCESSFUL. AND I HOPE THAT NOW WITH NEW LEADERSHIP, WE CAN, UM, START A NEW, PUSH THE RETRY BUTTON AND START FRESH. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS NEW PHASE. UM, OTHER PARTS OF, UH, THE FUNCTIONS GOVERNMENT IS RESPECT TO OUR COMMUNITY, UH, WORKING WELL WITH RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPERS AND NOT TRYING TO SHORTCUT AND PUT OVER 70 PLUS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO PUSH PROJECTS THROUGH. AND GETTING THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED, UH, WORKING WITH A COMMUNITY AND NOT WORKING AGAINST THE COMMUNITY WOULD PREVENT A LOT OF THESE LAWSUITS AND A LOT OF THESE TURMOIL AND A LOT OF THIS DIVISION THAT HAS HAPPENED WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO PLEASE WORK AS A TEAM TO TURN THIS BEAUTIFUL CITY OF OURS AROUND. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE STILL ARE IN TIME TO MAKE A POSITIVE, [00:15:01] UH, CHANGE. AND I HOPE THAT WE DO. AND I'M SHARING FOR ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE HAVE MADISON WRAP ON ZOOM. HI. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. TONIGHT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING EXCITING HAPPENING AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE, WHICH IS ASSEMBLY BILL 7 6 2 THAT'S GOING THROUGH. AND IT GOES THROUGH THE IDEA FOR PROHIBITING THE MANUFACTURER DISTRIBUTION AND SALE OF DISPOSABLE BATTERY EMBEDDED ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES IN CALIFORNIA. SO THIS IS GOOD BECAUSE DISPOSABLE VAPES HAVE CREATED A SERIOUS PROBLEM FOR YOUTH ADDICTION AND ALSO ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE. THESE PRODUCTS ARE DESIGNED TO BE USED BRIEFLY AND THROWN AWAY, YET THEY CONTAIN LITHIUM BATTERIES AND POTENTIALLY TOXIC MATERIALS. THEY'RE INCREASINGLY LITTERING OUR STREETS, PARKS, AND BEACHES, WHILE ALSO CREATING FIRE RISKS WHEN DAMAGED OR CRUSHED IN TRASH AND RECYCLING FACILITIES. THE SCALE OF THIS PROBLEM IS HUGE. THERE ARE ESTIMATES THAT APPROXIMATELY 500,000 DISPOSABLE VAPES ARE THROWN AWAY EVERY DAY IN THE UNITED STATES. BUT WE ALSO CANNOT SEPARATE THIS ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE FROM THE YOUTH HEALTH ISSUE. VAPING REMAINS THE MOST PREVALENT TOBACCO PRODUCT AMONG CALIFORNIA HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. THESE DEVICES DELIVER HIGHLY ADDICTIVE NICOTINE AND YOUNG PEOPLE ARE BEING EXPOSED TO PRODUCTS WHOSE LONG-TERM HEALTH CONSEQUENCES ARE STILL NOT FULLY KNOWN AS A MOTHER. I FIND IT ESPECIALLY CONCERNING THAT WE HAVE ALLOWED AN ENTIRE CATEGORY OF ADDICTIVE PRODUCTS TO BECOME EASILY DISCARDED AND SO COMMON IN THE ENVIRONMENTS WHERE OUR CHILDREN LIVE, PLAY, AND LEARN. AB 7 62 RECOGNIZES THAT MANUFACTURERS SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CREATE PRODUCTS WITH EMBEDDED BATTERIES, TOXIC WASTE, AND FIRE HAZARDS, AND SIMPLY LEAVE COMMUNITIES AND TAXPAYERS TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES. I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE TO PRIORITIZE POLICIES THAT PROTECT YOUNG PEOPLE, REDUCE NICOTINE ADDICTION, AND HOLD INDUSTRIES ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL COSTS OF THEIR PRODUCTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR COMMENT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [6.2 Proclamation for National Senior Center Month] WITH THAT, WE GET INTO OUR PROCLAMATIONS AND WE HAVE ONE THIS EVENING, AND THAT IS FOR CELEBRATING NATIONAL SENIOR CENTER MONTH. AND, UH, SO HERE'S MIKE PACHECO. THANK YOU MAYOR CITY COUNCIL. MIKE PACHECO, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE ZADE AND HER TEAM UP FOR REC THIS RECOGNITION AND OUR NEWEST MEMBER OF THE TEAM HERE HAS ALSO MADE IT TONIGHT. , YOU'RE GOOD. HOW LIMITED ON TIME? AM I? DEPENDS. , UM, MAYOR, COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, STAFF AND PUBLIC. UM, MY NAME IS ADE JURADO. I AM THE RECREATION SUPERVISOR OF THE KIMBALL SENIOR CENTER. MY PRONOUNS ARE SHE AND AA AND, UM, I AM LUCKY ENOUGH TODAY TO BE JOINED BY A COUPLE STAFF MEMBERS, A COUPLE VOLUNTEERS, AND ALSO, UH, PARTICIPANTS OF OUR PROGRAMS AT THE KIMBALL SENIOR CENTER. SO I MAY NOT BE MAKING EYE CONTACT 'CAUSE I'M GONNA READ IT THROUGH Y'ALL. . ALL RIGHT. SO I AM GONNA READ IT IN SPANISH THOUGH. . OKAY. 50 AND BETTER. [00:20:51] GI. NICOLE. ELSA, JAKE, BEN, LAURIE, BETHANY, REBECCA. EVA, SOPHIA. RAY. I, MARIA . NO, I'M DOING SO WELL. WE GONNA DO THE TRANSLATION. . WE WE HAVE A TRANSLATOR. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S, HE GOT ALL THAT OR NOT. WE'LL FIND OUT RIGHT BEHIND YOU. WELL, WE'RE ABOUT TO FIND OUT. OKAY. OKAY. GOOD. TO THE MEMBERS OF THE SENIOR KIMBALL CENTER, THIS ISN'T JUST A FAD, THIS IS A PHILOSOPHY. WHAT FAD MEANS FABULOUS AFTER 50. IT'S NOT ABOUT SLOWING DOWN. IT IS RATHER ABOUT REMAINING ACTIVE, CONNECTED AND COMMITTED THROUGH EXERCISE, WELLBEING, AND CONTINUOUS LEARNING PROGRAMS. AS WELL AS BY BUILDING FRIENDSHIPS THAT KEEP THAT LINE OF ISOLATION AT BAY FROM OUR OLDER ADULTS. OUR MEMBERS DON'T COME TO OUR PLACE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO, RIGHT? THEY COME BECAUSE THEY WANT TO. AND BECAUSE IT IS A PLACE WHERE REMEMBER THEIR NAMES, WHERE PEOPLE REMEMBER THEIR NAMES. EXCUSE ME. AND WHILE WE, WHATEVER WE INVEST IN OUR OLDER ADULTS COMES BACK TO US TENFOLD IN HEALTH INDEPENDENCE AND IN HAVING A CITY WHERE NO ONE IS LEFT BEHIND. BUT NONE OF THAT HAPPENS BY HAPPENSTANCE. IT HAPPENS THANKS TO THE EXTRAORDINARY PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP EVERY SINGLE DAY, PARTICULARLY OUR PARTICIPANTS, SOME OF WHOM ARE HERE WITH US TODAY. THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING US, FOR BRINGING YOUR LAUGHTER, YOUR ENERGY, YOUR FRIENDSHIP THROUGH OUR DOORS EVERY DAY. YOU ARE THE REASON WHY THE CENTER EXISTS AND EVERYTHING WE DO IS FOR YOU TO OUR DEDICATED WORK TEAM, GISELLE, ANGEL, YESENIA, NICOLE, ELSA, JAKE, BEN, LORI, AND BETHANY, AS WELL AS OUR WONDERFUL VOLUNTEERS, REBECCA, RIZ, EVA, SOPHIA, RAY, AND MARIA, WHO WILL BE JOINING OUR FAMILY SOON. THANK YOU ALL. YOUR COMPASSION AND YOUR HEART. GIMME ONE SECOND. ARE THE REASON WHY THIS CENTER FEELS LIKE A HOME. AND EVERY COMMUNITY PARTNER AND EVERY SUPPORTER OF OUR CENTER, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR FAITH IN OUR OLDER ADULTS. IT MAKES WHAT WE DO POSSIBLE. THIS PRO PROC PROCLAMATION, EXCUSE ME, BELONGS TO ALL OF YOU. AND ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE WHO CALLS THE KIMBALL CENTER THEIR SECOND HOME, WE ARE TRULY HONORED BY THIS RECOGNITION. THANK YOU. . YES. WE DO HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU. YEAH. [00:25:01] OKAY. GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU. NICE TO MEET. NICE TO MEET YOU. HELLO. . YOU OBSERVE IMMEDIATELY, NOT A SENIOR INTER INTERGENERATIONAL EXECUTIVE. AH, I LIKE IT. UH, COMING TOGETHER. YEAH. YOU WANT BE IN FRONT OF THE PODIUM? OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. YOU DON'T WANT THE PODIUM HIDING YET. THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU ARE. HE CAN GET BY THE PODIUM. YEAH, HE CAN GET HE GET BACK HERE. THAT'S FINE. HE CAN MAKE IT. MM-HMM . GOING FROM CROCHETING TO BEING FIT. OKAY, HERE YOU GO. AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR FAT PROGRAM IS VERY POPULAR. OUR FEELING FIT CLASS. THE EXERCISE KEEPS THEM MOVING. REPRESENTING. THANK YOU. I PART ENOUGH, BUT . ALL RIGHT. LEMME JUST SAY THAT OUR, UH, SENIOR CENTER IS LIVING PROOF THAT 70 IS THE NEW 40 . AND, UH, THE, UH, AND, AND, AND I WILL SAY I'VE BEEN INTO SOME, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY, I GO IN AND CHECK OUT THEIR SENIOR CENTERS THERE, AND THEY'RE SHOWING TO ME. AND WE'LL HAVE THE, UH, THE, THE PERSON WHO'S IN CHARGE AND THEY'RE NORMALLY SITTING BEHIND A DESK AT THE FRONT AND THEY GO, OKAY, SIGN IN OVER THERE. YOU KNOW, WELL, IT'S OVER THERE. WE GOT ONE THAT'S GOING, HEY, IT'S OVER HERE. IT'S OVER HERE. YOU KNOW, AND, UH, LOVE TO SEE IT. SO CONGRATULATIONS ALL . ALRIGHT. UM, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, NEXT WE GO INTO [7. REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS ] OUR REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS. I'LL START DOWN HERE ON MY LEFT. NOTHING TO REPORT, MAYOR. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, FOR SWEETWATER, UM, AUTHORITY, SWEETWATER RESERVOIR, UM, ERASION, AND THIS STRATIFICATION SYSTEM, GROUNDBREAKING CEREMONY HAPPENED LAST WEEK. UM, THIS IS A GRANT THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE US, UM, WATER RECLAMATION OF 1.53 MILLION TOWARDS THIS, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADE. UM, SO THIS PROVIDES, UM, US TO CONTINUE, UM, SAFE, RELIABLE, UH, AND THE LOWEST RATE AND THE LOWEST WATER RATE PROVIDING TO 200,000, UM, RATE PAYERS OF THE COMMUNITIES OF NATIONAL CITY, WEST, CHULA, VISTA, AND BONITA. THANK YOU MAYOR. AND FOR SENIO COMMUNITY POWER NOR REPORTABLE ITEM FOR METRO WASTE. NO REPORTABLE ITEM. MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. OVER HERE. ALL RIGHT. NOTHING REPORT. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. I WILL BE ATTENDING THE SANDAG AUDIT COMMITTEE MEETING THIS FRIDAY. UM, AND THEN BOARD OF DIRECTORS NEXT FRIDAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, DEIDA, SORRY, REPORTED ON SWEETWATER AUTHORITY. UH, COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY, UH, IS KIND OF DIFFERENT. IF YOU REMEMBER THE LAST FEW YEARS, RATES HAVE BEEN GOING UP QUITE HEAVILY. UH, SOME THINGS CHANGED. WE GOT STATE PERMISSION TO HAVE WATER EXCHANGES WITHIN THE STATE AND SO THAT WE COULD SELL WATER TO OTHERS. AND WE, WE HAVE BOUGHT UP, UH, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE RESERVES, WE BOUGHT UP WATER THAT'S SITTING IN LIKE DIFFERENT AQUIFERS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE STATE THAT BE, THAT COULD BE TRANSFERRED TO US. AND THE DEAL IS YOU PAY FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER, WHETHER IF YOU USE IT OR NOT. AND MOST OF THE TIME WE'RE NOT USING THAT WATER. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE, WE'VE STARTED SELLING THAT, AND INSTEAD OF US PAYING FOR IT AND NOT USING IT, WE'RE PAYING FOR IT, BUT WE'RE GETTING SOMEONE ELSE TO HELP PAY FOR IT. AND SO THAT'S DOING THE COST, KNOCKS DOWN THE COST, AND NOW WE'RE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE'RE GETTING PERMISSION TO DO INTERSTATE. UH, AND SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AND MAKING, UH, PURCHASES OVER IN, UH, NEVADA AND ARIZONA, AND WE'RE ABLE TO SELL TO THEM NOW, [00:30:01] UH, ALSO. AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE DESPERATE ENOUGH THAT A LOT OF TIMES OUR BIGGEST, THE BIGGEST EXPENSIVE, EXPENSIVE WATER WE HAVE IS THE DESALINIZATION WATER. AND SO A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE NOT USING THAT THAT MUCH, BUT WE HAVE TO PAY UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT WHETHER WE USE IT OR NOT. SO WE'RE SELLING IT OVER TO THEM AND THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT BECAUSE THEY'RE THAT DESPERATE FOR WATER. SO IT'S, UH, UH, SO ACTUALLY WE MUCH, THE RATES ARE ACTUALLY BEEN, HAVE BEEN DROPPED DOWN DRASTICALLY AND WE'LL PROBABLY CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT, NEXT FEW YEARS. SO, UH, SOME GOOD NEWS FROM THE COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY WITH THAT. THEN [8. CONSENT CALENDAR] WE GO INTO CONSENT CALENDAR. THAT'S EIGHT, UM, EIGHT, ONE THROUGH EIGHT. GET MY OTHER DEAL PAGE OVER HERE. EIGHT ONE THROUGH EIGHT 10. UM, FIRST I WOULD ASK IF WE HAVE ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY CONFLICTS OR EX PARTE DIS DISCLOSURES ON ANY OF THE, UH, CONSENT ITEMS? AND DO WE HAVE ANY REQUEST TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THEM? YES, WE DO. WHICH, WHICH ONES DO WE HAVE? 8.3, 8.4, 8.9 AND EIGHT POINT 10. AND EIGHT POINT 10 10. OKAY. YES. ALRIGHT. UH, SO WHAT IS YOUR, UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE WANTS TO PULL ANY OTHER ONES, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, REST OF THE CONSENT ITEM AGENDAS. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE 8 1 2, 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT. YES, MA'AM. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. THERE WE GO. AND SO, YOU KNOW, OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, NEXT WE GO TO 8.3. [8.3 Approval of an Agreement Amendment with Burke, Williams & Sorensen, LLP for Legal Services in Connection with Case Titled Cummins v. the City of National City.] THIS IS AN APPROVAL OF AN AGREEMENT AMENDMENT WITH BURKE WILLIAMS AND SO, AND LLP FOR LEGAL SERVICES, UH, IN, UH, CONNECTION WITH THE CASE TITLED CUMMINGS VERSUS CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY, THOMAS RECH. OKAY. UH, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS AGREEMENT AND IT'S THE LAWYER IS BURKE AND ANOTHER, A COUPLE OTHER NAMES. AND IT, THEY'RE INCREASING AT 75 FROM 75,000 TO 250,000. UH, NO, NO, NO, THAT'S, I GOT IT WRONG. YEAH, IT WAS A HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE FIVE AND THEN NOW THIS IS GONNA INCREASE IT BY 75 UP TO 250, 50,000. SO THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH 175,000 OF IT. THAT WAS OUR, WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT. PROBABLY GETTING CLOSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YES. IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YES. OKAY. SO THIS GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE CUSHION FOR, FOR MORE WORK. OKAY. NOW I JUST, UH, I'M JUST, UH, THESE, THE ASSOCIATES MAKE $365 AN HOUR. THAT'S WHAT THEY PAY. AND THEIR ADDRESS IS ON 5 0 1 BROADWAY. NOW, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS THE CUMMINS CASE. I MEAN, I DON'T WHAT IT'S ABOUT, BUT IF YOU CAN OR NOT. AND IF WE LOSE, IF WE LOSE, WE GOTTA PAY THE OTHER LAWYER'S FEES TOO. IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT RIGHT OR NOT? UM, IN PART, YES. YES, THAT WOULD BE TRUE, SIR. YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND, AND, AND, AND ALSO THERE'S COVERING COVERAGE BY INSURANCE. WHAT THERE'S COVERAGE FOR THIS BY, UH, WITH INSURANCE. SO IT IS NOT LIKE COMING OUT THE GENERAL FUND OR ANYTHING. YEAH. BUT WE PAY $3 MILLION FOR THAT INSURANCE. BUT WE DO EVENTUALLY PAY FOR THAT WITH INCREASES TO OUR LIABILITY INSURANCE PREMIUMS IN THE LONG RUN. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S SPREAD OUT OVER THE ENTIRE STATE. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT JUST US. YEAH. MM-HMM . OKAY. YEP. YEAH, IT, IT, THERE'S ALWAYS COMPLICATIONS, THESE THINGS. ALRIGHT, MAYOR, THERE'S ONE MORE COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. OH, THERE'S, OKAY, APOLOGIES. MCKAYLA POLANCO. OKAY, I AM SORRY, . I READ THIS ENTIRE CASE TWO OR THREE TIMES AND I CAN ASSURE YOU, MARCUS, YOU HAVE A DAUGHTER, RODRIGUEZ, YOU HAVE A DAUGHTER, MS. IMAN, YOU HAVE A DAUGHTER, YOU ALSO HAVE A SON, MS. MOLINA. AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IF THIS WOULD'VE HAPPENED TO LUIS'S DAUGHTER, I WOULD'VE BEEN APPALLED OF WHAT HAPPENED TO MRS. ASHLEY CUMMINGS. AND THE SAD PART ABOUT THIS WHOLE ENTIRE LAWSUIT IS THAT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF PROPER TRAINING WOULD'VE BEEN IN PLACE, IF THE PROPER LEADERSHIP WOULD'VE BEEN IN PLACE, IF THERE WOULD'VE BEEN PROTOCOLS AS TO HOW TO TREAT [00:35:02] THESE EMPLOYEES BETTER. AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND NOT ONLY DID IT NOT HAPPEN, A LOT OF THESE OFFICERS GOT PROMOTED, THERE WAS NO CONSEQUENCES. AND GUESS WHAT? HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF. AND THESE LAWSUITS WILL KEEP GOING ONE AFTER THE OTHER, AFTER THE OTHER, AFTER THE OTHER. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T CHANGE, AND IF YOUR CULTURE DOESN'T CHANGE, THINGS WON'T CHANGE. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM? WHAT IS THE COST OF THE PROBLEM? BECAUSE THIS IS MONEY THAT US TAXPAYERS HAVE TO PAY. YEAH, SURE, THE INSURANCE IS GONNA PAY FOR SOME BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. BUT LOOK WHAT IT'S DOING TO THE STAIN OF THE CITY. STAINING. THE REPUTATION OF NATIONAL CITY IS STAINING THE NAME OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS UP IN THE DAIS BECAUSE IT'S ALL OVER THE PAPERS. AND THAT CAN BE PREVENTED. I'M URGING THIS NEW ADMINISTRATION TO PLEASE HAVE GUIDELINES AND RULES AND FOLLOW THEM. PLEASE FOLLOW THEM. I CAN'T TELL YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT, HOW TO DO THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY, SO THAT IS 8.3. THIS IS APPROVAL WITH BURKE WILLIAMS AND SORENSON, UH, MR. ANY DISCUSSION? WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE, MR. MAYOR? MOVE FOR APPROVAL, UM, OF 8.3 SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAKE SURE WE GET 'EM PUSHED IN THERE. THERE WE GO. BEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY, NEXT WE GO TO 8.4. [8.4 Approval of Eleventh Amendment to the Agreement Between the City of National City and American Medical Response Ambulance Service, Inc. for Ambulance Transportation Services.] THIS IS APPROVAL OF THE 11TH AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY AND AMERICA. MEDICAL RESPONSE AMBULANCE SERVICE INCORPORATED FOR AMBULANCE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES, THOMAS REICH. RE THE ONLY THING I WANT TO SAY, I READ THE FEE SCHEDULE AND FOR AN A AMERICAN MEDICAL RESPONSE, A LS EMERGENCY BATES RATE $4,092 FOR A PICKUP. SO YOU COULD BUY A CASKET FOR THAT OR GET A FUNERAL, BUT THAT BE A DROP OFF. BUT IF YOU GET A BASE RATE, YOU GET $2,169. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. JUST SAYING THAT IT'S AWFUL. IF, IF IT'S AWFUL, IT'S THE INSURANCE. IF THE INSURANCE, INSURANCE HAS TO TAKE CARE OF IT. ALRIGHT, UH, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ONE. OKAY? THIS IS FOR THE, UH, FOR THIS AGREEMENT. IT'S AN EXTENSION. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? MOVE FOR APPROVAL. SECOND, MAYOR, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. A PLEASE HAVE MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY THE PRICE ON MUNICIPAL AMBULANCE SERVICES GOING UP DRASTICALLY. AND I KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT BRING IT IN HOUSE. 'CAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT RULES FOR IN-HOUSE AS FAR AS REIMBURSEMENT. UH, HE CAN'T PAY IT. HUH? HE CAN'T PAY. NO, NO, NO. YOU GOTTA WAIT. UH, MAY, MAY. I JUST RECEIVED A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR 8.8, ALTHOUGH IT'S ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON AND APPROVED. OKAY. EIGHT. OKAY, WE'LL TAKE A COMMENT, BUT IT'S ALREADY VOTED ON, BUT, OKAY. KAYLA POLANCO, THIS IS AN ITEM 8.8. [8.8 Semi-Annual Report – Boards, Commissions, and Committees Attendance Report – Includes First and Second Quarters of Calendar Year 2026.] IS THAT CORRECT? YES. YES. OKAY. ON THIS ITEM, I'M URGING THE NEW LEADERSHIP TO PLEASE CONSIDER WHAT THEIR JOB IS PRIOR TO GETTING ON THESE MEETINGS AND THESE BOARDS. AND IF YOU'RE GETTING PAID A FULL-TIME JOB TO DO YOUR JOB, YOU'RE TECHNICALLY DOUBLE DIPPING. WHY? BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING A FULL-TIME PAY AND NOW YOU'RE GETTING ALL THESE PERKS GOING TO THESE CONFERENCES. NOW, IF THE CITY WAS THRIVING AND THE ECONOMIC GROWTH WAS OVER THE TOP, I GET IT. BUT THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE, ARE VERY IMPORTANT. I GET IT. WE HAVE TO FORM RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHER PARTNERS IS GOOD FOR THE CITY. HOWEVER, I I I DON'T THINK YOU'RE TALKING TO THE ITEM. 8.8. YEAH, 8.8 IS CITY COMMISSIONS COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE ON CITY CITY COMMISSIONS. [00:40:01] I UNDERSTAND, BUT THEY'RE PART OF BOARDS AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BOARDS. SO ALL, ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT THE, THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY ABUSE OF POWER WHEN PEOPLE ARE APPOINTED TO THESE, UH, BOARDS. AND WHEN THESE NEW LEADERSHIP COMES INTO THESE, UH, BOARDS, TO PLEASE, UH, MINIMIZE YOUR ATTENDANCE TO THESE BOARDS BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S ABUSE OF MONEY AND ABUSE OF POWER AND ABUSE OF TIME FROM US CITY, UH, PAYERS. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND AS I SAY, THIS ITEM DOES NOT REFER TO THOSE BOARDS, BUT ANYWAY, UM, THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON. WE GO TO 8.9 [Items 8.9 & 8.10] AND EIGHT POINT 10. THOMAS WRE FOR BOTH. OKAY, MR. WCH, COME UP AND YOU CAN ADDRESS BOTH OF THEM MORE. REGISTER ONE. UH, ENTERPRISE ENTERPRISE FLEET MANAGEMENT. $106,000 ACRE EQUIPMENT. A 26 FORD TWO 50 TRUCK, $536,000 ACRE EQUIPMENT. A STREET SWEEPER, $493,000. A PAYMENT FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF CONVERSATION MAPPING FEE. $9,000. CITY, CITY ATTORNEY LEGAL SERVICES, $20,000 LIEBERT CAST LEGAL LEGAL SERVICES FOR LABOR NEGOTIATIONS. $14,000 SOUTHWEST SIGNALS INTERSECTION MAINTENANCE, $56,000 TRAFFIC FOR STC TRAFFIC. 199,000 BCS. IT, UH, IT BCS CAPITAL POLICE UPGRADE 88,000. THE PAYROLL WAS 1,006,500. UH, ALSO COMMUNITY SERVICE. WHOLE OLD TOWN TROLLEY FIELD TRIP, $1,745. GL POOLS, LA PALMAS POOL MAINTENANCE, $9,000. SPARTAN INVESTMENT, TT THREE TOMAHAWK CARRIER RESCUE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 16,800. PRISM PROPERTY PROGRAM. PREMIUM 266,000. PRISM, I THINK IS AN INSURANCE COMPANY. GENERAL LIABILITY PREMIUM, 3,339,000. CITY MANAGER REAL ESTATE ADVISOR. COUNCIL FEES, 4,100 HR MANUFAC FACTIONS. EMPLOYEE ANNIVERSARY PENS, $3,000. FIRE DEPARTMENT. DO YOU NEED SOME WATER FIRE DEPARTMENT, MISS CALIFORNIA GLOVES. 2,900 IT OFFICE. GOVIN COS OFFICE, $26,000 CITY. THANK YOU. CITY MANAGER COSTCO WHOLESALE COFFEE PROGRAM, 393,000 SOUTHWEST AIRLINES, ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS S SWIFT TRAINING FOR FRANK. $312 HUMAN RELATIONS. CHIPOTLE GILL GRILL, FIRE ENGINEER $429. OH, THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES IT. THANK YOU. I'M GLAD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, THAT IS ITEM EIGHT NINE AND EIGHT 10. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? VOTE FOR APPROVAL, MR. CHAIR. SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH, IF YOU COULD PUSH YOUR, BUT THERE WE WE'RE. THANK YOU. AND A SECOND. SO YOU NO OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, NEXT WE GO [9.1 Public Hearing – Approving a Conditional Use Permit for the On-Site Sale of Beer, Wine, and Distilled Spirits (ABC Type-47) and Live Entertainment at an Existing Restaurant (Manila Bistro) Located at 933 South Harbison Avenue.] TO, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, THIS IS ON A APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON SALE, SALE, BEER, WINE AND DISTILLED SPIRITS. LIVE ENTERTAINMENT EXISTING RESTAURANT MANILA BISTRO, LOCATED AT 9 33 SOUTH HARBISON AVENUE. I WILL HAVE TO, UH, UH, STEP OFF THE DAAS. UH, NOT THAT I HAVE ANY ASSOCIATION WITH THIS BUSINESS, BUT IT'S WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF MY, MY RESIDENCE. SO FOR THAT REASON, I NEED TO, I NEED TO STEP OUT. AND THEN, [00:45:01] UH, WE'LL TURN THIS OVER TO THE VICE MAYOR, AND THEN I'LL RETURN WHEN THIS ITEM IS OVER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR. I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER, I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT OR DISCLOSURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. UM, JUST FULL DISCLOSURE, I MET WITH THE, UH, UH, REPRESENTATIVE OF THE OWNER OF MANILA BISTRO TO, UM, CONFER ISSUES AND CONCERNS BROUGHT UPON TO ME BY, UM, MY CONSTITUENTS IN DISTRICT THREE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I I ALSO WANNA DISCLOSE THAT I VISITED, UH, THE RESTAURANT AND MET WITH THE OWNER AND DISCUSS SOME OF THE ISSUES INCLUDING NOISE COMPLAINTS, UH, OR NOISE, POTENTIAL NOISE IMPACT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, I WILL NOW, UM, PASS THE FLOOR OVER TO OUR, UH, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. MR. MARTIN REEDER. IS THAT YOU WHO'LL BE PRESENTING THIS? THANK YOU. UH, GOOD EVENING, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL, STAFF, AND THE PUBLIC. MY NAME IS MARTIN REEDER. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PUBLIC HEARING FOR PROPERTY AT 9 33 SOUTH HARBISON AVENUE IN THE EAST PART OF THE CITY. THE SHOPPING CENTER IN QUESTION IS NORTH OF PLAZA BOULEVARD ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF SOUTH HAR, UH, SOUTH HARBISON AVENUE. THERE'S ALSO A CHURCH AND OTHER RESTAURANTS AND A FEW OTHER COMMERCIAL USES IN THE AREA. IT IS SURROUNDED BY MOSTLY, UM, RESIDENTIAL USES. THE EXISTING BUSINESS IS CALLED MANILA BISTRO. IT'S ABOUT 1700 SQUARE FEET. IT IS A RESTAURANT IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER AND CURRENTLY HAS A, A GRANDFATHERED IN ALCOHOL LICENSE THROUGH THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL, ALSO CALLED A BC. THAT'S A TYPE 41 LICENSE, WHICH IS BEER AND WINE. THAT'S WHAT'S THERE CURRENTLY. AND THAT LICENSE HAS BEEN IN EFFECT, UH, THROUGH SEVERAL BUSINESSES SINCE 2004. THIS ZONE IS THE MINOR MIXED USE DISTRICT ZONE, AND, UH, WHICH IS INTENDED FOR, YOU KNOW, MIXED USES AT A LOWER THAN MAX LEVEL. AND AGAIN, WE ARE SURROUNDED BY MOSTLY COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH AND RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE NORTH, TO THE EAST AND WEST ACROSS HARON AVENUE. THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH SHOWING THE FRONT OF THE BUSINESS. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA , THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING TO UPGRADE THEIR TYPE 41 A B, C LICENSE TO A TYPE 47 A B, C LICENSE, WHICH MEANS GOING FROM BEER AND WINE TO BEER, WINE AND DISTILLED SPIRITS. AND THEY WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HOST LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, WHICH WOULD, WHICH COULD BE EITHER LIVE MUSIC OR, AND OR KARAOKE. MM-HMM . THE PROPOSED SALES HOURS FOR ALCOHOL ARE 11:00 AM TO 11:00 PM ON SUNDAYS THROUGH THURSDAYS, AND 11:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. LIVE ENTERTAINMENT HOURS ARE FAIRLY SIMILAR, ALTHOUGH THEY STOP AN HOUR EARLIER THAN ALCOHOL SALES ENDS. SO THAT WOULD BE 11:00 AM TO 10:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND 11 TO 11 ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. THE BUSINESS, AGAIN IS A RESTAURANT. IT HAS A, A LARGE SEATING AREA WITH APPROXIMATELY 40, UH, 54 SEATS. THIS IS A FLOOR PLAN SHOWING THE AREA, THE SHADED AREA ON, ON THE RIGHT AND MOVING AROUND THAT BAR AREA. THERE IS THE, IS THE SEATING AREA THAT WILL COME INTO PLAY, UH, IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES. BUT THE ALCOHOL STORAGE IS SHOWN WITH THE RED ARROWS AT THE TOP. IT'S STORED BEHIND, UH, THE BAR AREA. SO A LITTLE MORE THAN HALF OR APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THE AREA IS SEATING. THE REST IS BACK OF HOUSE, RESTROOMS, ET CETERA. THE MUNICIPAL CODE DOES ALLOW FOR ALCOHOL SALES, AS YOU KNOW, WITH THE APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AS DOES LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. WITH REGARD TO ALCOHOL, CS, THERE ARE SEVERAL EXTRA STEPS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN. THE MAILING LIST PRIMARILY IS ABOUT TWICE AS LARGE AS NORMAL. SO IT'S 660 FEET INSTEAD OF, UH, 300 AS WITH NORMAL DISCRETIONARY PERMITS. SO 404 RESIDENTS AND OWNERS BOTH WERE, UH, NOTIFIED OF THESE, UH, OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD BY THE APPLICANT. THEY DID HOLD A MEETING ON JUNE THE FIRST, AND THEY HAD SIX ATTENDEES. AND THAT INFORMATION IS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT. THE PARTICULAR CENSUS TRACT IN WHICH THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED, WHICH IS 1 2 0 0.02, WHICH IS, UH, INDICATED IN THE MAP IN YOUR ATTACHMENTS. THERE ARE CURRENTLY SIX ON SALE LICENSES, WHEREFORE ARE RECOMMENDED. SO WHILE THIS CENSUS TRACT IS CONSIDERED OVER CONCENTRATED, ONE OF THOSE SIX LICENSES IS THE ONE THAT EXISTS TODAY. SO THERE WOULDN'T BE AN INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF LICENSES IN THIS CENSUS TRACT. HOWEVER, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THERE ARE NO OTHER 47 TYPE 47 LICENSES IN THE SAME CENSUS TRACT. THERE ARE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE RELATED TO WHERE, UH, ALCOHOL SALES CAN, CAN BE MAINTAINED. AND, UH, GENERALLY IF AN APPLICANT OR A RESTAURANT HAS MORE THAN 30% OF ITS FLOOR AREA DEVOTED TO SEATING, IT IS, UM, IT IS, IT [00:50:01] DOES NOT NEED TO, UH, DOES NOT NEED TO MEET THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS. BUT THOSE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS ARE 660 FEET FROM A PUBLIC SCHOOL, AND THERE IS NONE WITHIN THAT DISTANCE. AND AGAIN, UH, ALMOST HALF, ABOUT 45% OF THE AREA IS DEDICATED TO SEATING IN EXCESS OF THE 30%. WE ALSO REQUIRE ADHERENCE TO CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7, WHICH IS RELATED TO, UH, ONSITE ALCOHOL SALES AS WELL AS OFFSITE ALCOHOL SALES AND TASTING ROOMS. THOSE ARE STANDARD CONDITIONS WITH ALL OF OUR CEPS THAT YOU WILL, WILL BE FAMILIAR WITH. UH, WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT SOME RECENT APPROVALS WHERE WE'VE HAD RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE ASKED FOR, UH, ALCOHOL AND FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. AND YOU CAN SEE BY THIS TABLE THAT IT'S KIND OF, UH, ALL OVER THE MAP A LITTLE BIT. BUT THE, THE CLOSING TIMES ARE, THE ENDING TIMES OF LIVE ENTERTAINMENT IS FAIRLY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED HERE, ANYWHERE FROM, UH, 10:00 PM TO 12:00 AM IN SOME CASES, THE 12:00 AM IS AT THE, AT THE, UH, PLAZA BONITA SHOPPING CENTER. AS WITH ALL DISCRETIONARY PERMITS, WE DID ROUTE THIS CP APPLICATION FOR A COMMENT FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND OUTSIDE AGENCIES. AND WE DID RECEIVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT PRIOR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH CONCERNS OVER POTENTIAL NOISE IMPACTS. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS USUAL, DID PROVIDE A RISK ASSESSMENT, WHICH WAS 15 POINTS. 13 TO 18 WOULD BE CONSIDERED MEDIUM RISK. PART OF THOSE POINTS WOULD BE RELATED TO THE OVER CONCENTRATION OF THE CENSUS TRACK, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY NEW LICENSES IN THIS CASE. AND ALSO, THE INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC STRATEGIES, WHICH IS A, A NON-PROFIT AGENCY THAT WE, UH, WE WILL ROUTE THE APPLICATION FOR THAT WILL DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT OF THE PROPERTY TO ENSURE THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, OPERATING APPROPRIATELY AND RESPONSIBLY. THEY ASKED FOR, UH, LIMITED SALES TIMES TO PROHIBIT ALCOHOL SALES BEFORE THE FINAL 30 MINUTES OF LIVE ENTERTAINMENT SECURITY PLAN. EXTERIOR LIGHTING CONCERNS WERE, WERE, UH, NOTED AND TO POSE VISIBLE SIGNAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS, UH, DID NOT CONSUME ALCOHOL OFF THE PREMISES. ALL OF THOSE CONDITIONS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SECOND ONE, RELATED TO ENDING 30 MINUTES BEFORE CLOSING, HAVE BEEN INCLUDED AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THE 30 MINUTE ONE, ONLY BECAUSE ALCOHOL SALES END AN HOUR AFTER LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WOULD BE, UH, CONDUCTED ASSUMING THE CONDITIONS AND THE HOURS REMAIN AS THEY ARE NOW. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT. THIS WOULD BE AN EXEMPT PROJECT AS A, IT'S AN EXISTING FACILITY. THE RESTAURANT IS ALREADY THERE, HAS ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED. AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS WERE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN IT, WHEN THE SHOPPING CENTER WAS CONSTRUCTED. SO WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE CONDITIONS RELATED TO CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7. WE ALSO HAVE STANDARD, STANDARD CONDITIONS RELATED TO OUR HOURS OF OPERATION, RESPONSIBLE BEVERAGE SERVICE AND SALES TRAINING. AND ALL ALCOHOL SALES REMAIN ACCESSORY TO THE PRIMARY USE, WHICH IS A RESTAURANT. WE, AGAIN, WE INCLUDED THE IPS OR INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC STRATEGIES COMMENTS AS, AS, UH, CONDITIONS PARTICULARLY RELATED TO SECURITY LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE. LIVE ENTERTAINMENT CONDITIONS ARE MOSTLY RELATED TO TIMES KEEPING DOORS CLOSED FOR NOISE CONCERNS, AND, UH, ABIDING BY TITLE 12 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE, WHICH IS RELATED TO NOISE. SO THAT BASICALLY CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. THE OPTIONS DENIED ARE TO EITHER APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BASED ON THE CONDITIONS AND FINDINGS, INCLUDING THE SECRET DETERMINATION TO DENY THE PERMIT BASED ON ATTACHED FINDINGS OR FINDINGS TO BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONDITION, EXCUSE ME. CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IF WE NEED. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND STAFF IS ALSO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BASED ON THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. SO I AM, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DIRECTOR READER. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE DAAS BUSH? YES. A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, EXISTING PERMIT STATUS. SO RIGHT NOW, THERE IS, UH, SO THE BUSINESS IS OPERATING, UH, AS ENTERTAINMENT WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE PERMIT. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THE ENTERTAINMENT, YES. I'M UNAWARE OF THAT. I WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT THAT QUESTION. BUT AS FAR AS THE ALCOHOL, THERE IS AN A BC LICENSE, BUT THERE IS NO CUP. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, AND FOR THE, UM, WELL, THIS ACTUALLY TO, UM, I THINK THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER, BECAUSE I, UM, ASKED THE CITY MANAGER THIS QUESTION, BUT IF A, A STAFF CAN ANSWER. SO A LOT OF, UM, WHEN WE'RE APPROVING THESE REQUESTS, NOW WE'RE THINKING OF THE BUDGET AND THE POTENTIAL REVENUE GENERATION. SO, UM, IS THAT A, A QUESTION APPROPRIATE FOR STAFF ABOUT THE REVENUE, UH, POTENTIAL GENERATION WITH, UH, IS IT SALES TAX AND THEN AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH? [00:55:01] WELL, I CAN, I CAN, THANK YOU. UH, I CAN CERTAINLY SAY THAT MOST OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVE IN THIS REGARD ARE INTENDED TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF CUSTOMERS THAT COME TO THE BUSINESS TO KEEP 'EM THERE TO SPEND MORE MONEY, WHICH OF COURSE WOULD TRANSLATE INTO ADDITIONAL SALES TAX FOR THE CITY IN, IN SOME CASES, AS FAR AS THE EXPECTATIONS OF HOW MUCH MORE MONEY, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. OKAY. WELL, A, UM, SO WHEN THE APPLICANT, UH, COMES UP, BECAUSE I DID ASK THE APPLICANT BEFORE, IF THERE CAN BE AN ESTIMATE, JUST SO, UM, WE CAN CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I'M WANTING TO CONSIDER IS PART OF THIS IS THE, THE HOURS. SO IF WE, AS I'VE SAID AT SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, PROJECTS, IF WE EXPAND THE HOURS, HOW MUCH MORE REVENUE POTENTIAL WOULD THAT BRING AS WELL? SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WHERE I'M, I'M I'M GETTING AT ON THAT. IF THERE'S NO ANSWER RIGHT NOW, THAT THAT'S OKAY, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS. UM, AND THEN FOR THE, I SEE IN THE REPORT, UH, FOR, UH, POLICE, THE POLICE REPORTED THAT THERE WAS, UM, LITTLE TO, TO NO CALLS TO SERVICE. AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THERE WERE IF, UM, IN THAT REPORT THAT WAS THERE ANY NOISE COMPLAINTS OR ANY OF THOSE ISSUES? BECAUSE IN THE, IN THE POLICE REPORT, I DIDN'T SEE ANY, UH, UH, THE CALLS TO SERVICES, WHAT WERE RELATED TO IF THERE WERE ANY TO THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS, YEAH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER DIRECTED TOWARDS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT OFTENTIMES WHEN WE GET CALLS FOR SERVICE, UH, RELATED TO THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS, A LOT OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE, UH, RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER BUSINESS A LOT OF TIMES IS SHOPLIFTING, IF IT'S A SHOPPING CENTER OR, UH, STOLEN CAR ISSUES AND SO FORTH. BUT, UM, AS FAR AS THE CALL, THE ACTUAL CALLS FOR SERVICE, I HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE IN, IN THIS CASE WITH REGARD TO NOISE. OKAY. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, SO I'M LOOKING AT THE NATIONAL CITY, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE CONTROL RISK ASSESSMENT, AND IT'S THE, UM, LET'S SEE, SECTION, UH, SIX CALLS FOR SERVICE AT LOCATION. SO IT SAYS, UH, BELOW AND IT JUST SAYS ONE POINT FOR PREVIOUS SIX MONTHS, BUT, UH, I DIDN'T SEE ANY, UM, ATTACHMENT THAT, UH, REFERRED TO CALLS OF SERVICE OR ANYTHING. SO IF THERE, AT, AT THIS POINT, I WOULD ASSUME THERE IS NONE IF, UM, OR NO BIG CONCERN IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ATTACHED. WELL, UH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE GET THAT, UM, RISK ASSESSMENT, WHICH IS A GENERAL OVERVIEW. IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC CON UM, EXCUSE ME, THE, THE SPECIFIC LIST OF CALLS FOR SERVICE, WHICH CAN USUALLY BE QUITE A FEW. BUT, AND IN, IN SOME CASES WE DO ASK FOR THOSE, BUT WE, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY, UM, ANY NOISE COMPLAINTS THAT WOULD'VE COME TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT ON THIS PROPERTY. THANK YOU. MEMBER BUSH, UH, MS. YAMANI, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? THANK YOU. YES. UM, WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ADDRESS THE QUESTION OF COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH? UM, THIS IS MY DISTRICT. THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC IN DISTRICT THREE, AND WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF, UM, IMPROVEMENT AND CLEANUP AND CODE CONFORMANCE CALLS. SOMETIMES THERE ARE PD THAT ARE WITH THEM BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE SOMETIMES NEEDED, THAT EXTRA, UM, PROTECTION FROM, FOR OUR HOME TEAM, UM, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND, UH, CITY ENGINEER. WE'VE WORKED WITH AT AND T TO, UM, CAGE, UM, ONE OF THE, UH, SECTION OF THAT MALL OR STRIP MALL BECAUSE OF, UM, THE, UM, IRREGULAR ACTIVITIES THAT ARE HAPPENING THERE. AND I HAVE EXPRESSED THIS TO THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE OWNER, AND THEY, THEY ARE VERY CONSIDERATE AND, UM, UM, AGREE AGREEING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, BE HELPING, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, CLEAN UP THAT AREA AND, UM, HELP IN, UH, IN MAKING SURE THAT THE OWNERSHIP, UM, WILL BE, UH, COOPERATING IN THESE ASPECTS. UM, AND I HAVE ALSO EXPRESSED TO HIM, UM, THAT, UM, ALL THE ISSUES AND CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORS, THIS IS A VERY DENSE AREA IN, IN, UH, IN THAT, UM, PART OF THE DISTRICT. SO NOISE, UM, NOISE, UM, AND ALL THOSE ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE, UM, MITIGATED BUT NOT COMPLETELY BECAUSE, UM, WE NEED HELP FROM THE, UH, BUSINESSES AND THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE LOCATION. AND SO, UM, AND, AND THEY ARE, UM, CONSIDERING, UM, AND, AND PLEDGE TO HELP, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA ARE NOT GONNA BE DISTURBED, UM, DURING THOSE TIMES. SO I HAVE, UM, I HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO RECOMMEND THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PUBLIC STRATEGIES, THE RECOMMENDATION [01:00:01] OF TIMES OF HOURS, UM, FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT. THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT, EVEN IF THEY DID NOT HAVE THAT PERMIT, BECAUSE THEY SAID THAT THERE IS A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP. THEY DID NOT KNOW THAT, UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT PERMIT. AND SO WHEN THEY WERE, WHEN THEY WERE, UM, QUESTIONED ABOUT IT, UM, NOW THEY'RE HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING THEIR BUSINESS CORRECTLY. BUT, UM, AGAIN, THERE ARE, UM, UM, A LOT OF NEIGHBORS THERE BECAUSE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE, THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A LIQUOR STORE AT THE OTHER END AND, UM, THERE'S THIS, UM, MANILA BISTRO THAT'S COMING UP. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROMOTE AND HELP THE BUSINESS, BUT ALSO NOT THE EXPENSE OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA, AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT. SO, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM, UH, MS. YAMANI. YES. IF YOU COULD PLEASE HOLD THAT THOUGHT. OKAY. IT FEELS LIKE YOU'RE MOVING TOWARDS A MOTION. OKAY. LET ME MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC, UM, OKAY. COMMENT PIECE OF THIS. SO WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL COME BACK TO YOU, MR. MEYER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO HEAR FROM ANY PERSONS IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THE MATTER. EACH PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE CITY, UH, COUNCIL FOR A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES, I REQUEST CITY CLERK CHAPEL TO CALL UPON ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC REGISTERED TO PROVIDE LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. I'LL ACTUALLY CALL UPON THEM. OH, THANK YOU. MR. UH, JOANNE FIELDS, FOLLOWED BY ANTHONY MIRANDA, FOLLOWED BY JOE KABARRO. MADAM VICE MAYOR. YES. IF I MAY AS A POINT OF ORDER, DO WE LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK FIRST? YES. I'M SORRY. I, SORRY, MR. JOANNE DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT. MAY I HAVE THE REPRESENTATIVE? THANK YOU, MARTIN FROM THE APPLICANT. THANK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR READER, YOU HERE. GOOD EVENING. HONORABLE VICE MAYOR AND THE HONORABLE MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY STAFF, AND EVERYBODY IN ATTENDANCE. WE'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESS THAT WE HAVE STARTED HERE IN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. AND, UM, THIS IS OWNED, I'M THE, UH, AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE, AND THIS IS OWNED BY MS. JULIE MENDOZA. AND REASON WHY WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO DO BUSINESS THE RIGHT WAY AND, UM, NOT JUST THE RIGHT WAY, BUT TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND IN FULL COMPLIANCE OF, UH, THE CITY. SO JULIE MENDOZA HAD, UH, BUSINESSES HERE IN NATIONAL CITY, ASIDE FROM MANILA. SHE HAS THE GOOD SAMARITAN HOME HEALTHCARE, WHICH IS ALSO A LONG PLAZA, AND ALSO THE AUTO ACCIDENT CHIROPRACTIC CENTER AND OTHER HOME CARE FACILITIES. SO TOGETHER, ALL IN ALL THESE BUSINESSES ARE CONTRIBUTING TO GENERATE JOBS AND ALSO TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS THE REVENUE OF THE CITY. AND, UM, ALSO WE HAVE A, UH, A NON-PROFIT, IT'S CALLED THE GOOD SAMARITAN FOUNDATION. IT'S ALSO FOCUSING HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. IT'S OUR WAY OF HOW WE COULD GIVE BACK TO, UH, THE COMMUNITY. AND SO WE ARE INVESTED IN NATIONAL CITY, AND WE WANT TO SEE THE CITY REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE CROSS CURRENT STATE OF THE CITY RIGHT NOW. AND SO WHY ARE WE HERE TODAY? IT'S BECAUSE A SIMILAR RESTAURANT HAS BEEN IN THIS LOCATION FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. IF I, IF MY RESEARCH IS ACCURATE, I THINK THIS IS DATED BACK ALL THE WAY TO THE 1980S OR NINETIES, SIMILAR TYPE OF BUSINESS ON THE SAME LOCATION. AND THEN, UM, WHEN THE CURRENT OWNER, JULIE MENDOZA ACQUIRED THIS, THIS BUSINESS, IT WAS ONLY UNTIL HE OR SHE BOUGHT IT THAT WE FOUND OUT THAT, UH, WE NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND SO, BECAUSE, UH, LIKE WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WOULD LIKE TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE CITY. AND SO I APPROACHED THE, UH, CITY PLANNING OFFICE AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY KIND AND GENEROUS ENOUGH TO GUIDE ME ON THE PROCESS. AND WE STARTED THE PROCESS BACK IN MARCH AND APRIL. AND, AND, AND SO, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE APPROVED IT, UM, WHEN I ATTENDED THAT, UH, MEETING BACK IN JULY 20TH. AND SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA ON WHAT MANILA BI AND WHAT IS OUR VISION AND WHAT ITS VISION IS, IS IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A FAMILY RESTAURANT. SO THE, UH, ENTERTAINMENT, WHICH IS KARAOKE, AND ON THURSDAY WE HAVE, UH, ACOUSTIC BAND. IT IS NOT A LIVE, IT'S NOT LIKE A FULL BAND. WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A DRUM SET AND ALL THOSE KIND OF STUFF, JUST GUITAR. AND, AND THE PURPOSE OF WHICH IS THAT BECAUSE WE JUST LIKE TO JUST COMPLIMENT THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE THAT WE ARE SELLING TO THE CLIENTS. 'CAUSE, UH, AS IT'S PART OF FILIPINO CULTURE THAT WHENEVER THEY COME AND BRING THEIR FAMILY TO DINE, THEY, THEY LIKE TO SING. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE OFFERED, UH, KARAOKE. AND SO, UM, THIS IS A PLACE WHERE FAMILIES AND FRIENDS CAN EAT AND CELEBRATE AND MAKE SOME CONNECTIONS. AND SO WE WANT MANILA BISTRO TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE VIBRANCY OF THE CITY. AND WE CONDUCTED [01:05:01] A COUPLE OF OUTREACH. SO WE INVITED PEOPLE WITHIN, UH, THE, UH, 660 FEET FROM THE VENUE, AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE ATTENDED. AND SO WE'VE BEEN VERY, UH, OPEN TO LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERNS. UH, IN FACT, I SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING OFFICE A COUPLE OF WRITTEN STATEMENT FROM SOME OF THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, UH, SUPPORTING, UH, PROVIDING SUPPORT FOR OUR MINOR, UH, APPLICATION FOR A MINOR CUP. AND SO WE IMMEDIATELY BEGAN WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT ABOUT THE CONCERNS THAT WAS RAISED. UH, AND I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DITA CA AND COUNCIL MEMBER MARCUS BUSH FOR, UH, TAKING SOME TIME TO COME AND VISIT AND SEE THE BUSINESS ON HOW IT, HOW IT IS. AND, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION IS THE LIGHTS. AND, UH, I GAVE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DIMAN MY WORD THAT I'M GONNA START WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, THE LANDLORD. AND, AND SO I DID, AND WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THAT. ANOTHER THING IS THE CONCERN ABOUT, UH, THE, THE HOUSELESS, UH, WITHIN THAT AREA. AND, AND UNDERSTANDABLY IT IS NOT JUST OUR OWN RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE WE ARE JUST ONE TENANT IN THE ENTIRE COMPLEX VICE MAYOR. AND SO, BUT THEN, UH, WE INITIATED AN EFFORT TO REACH OUT TO THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT ON HOW WE COULD WORK TOGETHER WITH THEM. AND, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS IS, UH, THE, THE CUSTOMER, SOMETIMES WHEN THEY EXIT THE RESTAURANT, UM, WHEN THEY STILL CONTINUE THEIR CONVERSATION, ESPECIALLY LIKE IN THE DI THE NIGHT, LIKE 10 O'CLOCK OR 11 O'CLOCK, LIKE EVEN SMALL CONVERSATION, YOU CAN REALLY HEAR IT. AND SO WE ADDRESSED THAT. WE SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH A, UH, A SECURITY AGENCY TO PROVIDE A SECURITY PERSONAL. AND, UH, I PERSONALLY GAVE INSTRUCTION THAT, UM, THE, THE CUSTOMERS WILL BE POLITELY ADDRESSED TO JUST ASK THEM TO KEEP IT DOWN AS THEY EXIT THE RESTAURANT AND STARTED DRIVING TO WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING NEXT. AND SO OUR PRINCIPLE AS BUSINESSMEN, AS BUSINESS PEOPLE IN THE CITY, IS VERY SIMPLE. AND SO WE WANT TO DO, WE WANT OUR BUSINESS TO TRY, BUT IT'S NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR NEIGHBORS. WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO ALWAYS BE NOT JUST GOOD TAXPAYERS AND, AND GOOD CITIZENS OF NATIONAL CITY, BUT ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, UH, GOOD NEIGHBORS. 'CAUSE UH, THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US. AND, AND, AND FINALLY, UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO JUST, UH, SAY TO THE HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND TO THE HONORABLE VICE MAYOR THAT WE ARE ASKING THAT OUR, UH, REQUESTS ARE APPLICATION FOR MINOR CUP BE APPROVED, AND SHOULD THERE BE ANY OTHER CONCERNS THAT COULD POSSIBLY JUST COME UP IN THE FUTURE. UH, IT DOESN'T END HERE. I, I GAVE MY COMMITMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND EVEN TO THE MEMBERS, UH, THE, THE RESIDENTS OF THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS THAT, UH, THEY COULD ALWAYS REACH OUT TO ME IF THERE'S ANY, UH, KIND OF CONCERNS THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. SO THAT IS A PROMISE THAT, UH, ON BEHALF OF JULIET MENDOZA, I'D LIKE TO STATE TO THE HONORABLE CITY COUNCIL THAT WE ARE TRYING OUR BEST TO TRY THE BUSINESS, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? UH, MY NAME IS ANTHONY MIRANDA. THANK YOU, MR. MIRANDA. UH, YOU MAY END UP BEING CALLED BACK IF THERE'S FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE DAAS. YES, MA'AM. BUT AT THIS MOMENT, LET'S TAKE A FEW MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU, MR. MIRANDA. JOANNE FIELDS FOLLOWED BY JOE HARO. HELLO AGAIN. I'M JOANNE FIELDS, GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC RELATIONS DIRECTOR OF THE API INITIATIVE, AND I HOST A MONTHLY FILIPINO NETWORKING, UH, LUNCHEON. AND WE REALLY STRIVE TO KEEP IT IN NATIONAL CITY. WE STARTED AT VILLA MANILA. WE HAD A STINT IN DOWNTOWN, UM, SAN DIEGO AND THEN RAMADA INN. BUT BECAUSE THERE IS A POSSIBLE SAIL, WE MOVED AROUND. AND, UH, ARC CATERER IS JACK GAN, ALSO NATIONAL CITY BUSINESS. UH, WE WENT TO THE NATIONAL CITY CHAMBER FOR IMPORTANT, UM, DISCUSSION WITH THE PORT OF SAN DIEGO COMMISSIONER DR. GIL UNG ON THE UPDATE OF THE BALANCE PLAN FOR NATIONAL CITY. BUT OUR NEW HOME NOW IS MANILA BISTRO. SINCE THEY HAVE EXPANDED THEIR HOURS TO INCLUDE LUNCH. AT ONE TIME THEY WERE ONLY AN EVENING, UM, UM, DESTINATION, BUT NOW THEY ARE EXPANDING. SO, UH, ALONG WITH WHAT I STATED EARLIER, THIS IS ONE WAY TO GET THE CITY OUT OF THE DEFICIT, IS TO CONTINUE THE COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, KEEP MAKING THE MONEY CIRCULATE IN THE CITY AND NOT HAVE IT GO OUT. SO I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO PASS, UM, THEIR, UH, PERMIT PROCESS AND GO ALONG WITH THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALSO NATIONAL CITY STAFF. THEY'VE DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND, UH, WORKING ALONG WITH, UH, JEAN AND UM, [01:10:01] ANTHONY, THEY'VE SHOWED US, UM, NOT ONLY A GREAT PLACE, BUT AGAIN, I'M VERY PROUD OF MY, UH, CULTURE. AND THIS REALLY SPEAKS TO, UH, OUR FILIPINO FOOD, ENTERTAINMENT AND AMBIANCE. I DON'T HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE PHILIPPINES TO GET THAT. I GET THAT RIGHT THERE AT MANILA BISTRO IN NATIONAL CITY. THANK YOU. JOE HIRO, FOLLOWED BY MCKAYLA POLANCO. DID YOU? HELLO EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS JOE GIRO. I'M JUST A PATRON THERE. I GO THERE TO THE RESTAURANT. I'M ACTUALLY HERE BECAUSE SOMEONE COMPLAINED THERE'S A NOISE. THEY HEAR LOUD NOISE COMING FROM THE RESTAURANT. AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT I CAN STAND 10 FEET FROM THE DOOR AND YOU CAN BARELY HEAR THE NOISE, LET ALONE A HUNDRED YARDS AWAY ACROSS THE STREET. AND THEY'RE GONNA TELL ME THAT THEY CAN HEAR NOISE COMING OUT OF THERE. THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. YOU CAN GO THERE ANYTIME YOU WANT, GO THERE ON A FRIDAY OR SATURDAY NIGHT AND PARK YOUR PARKING LOT, PARKING LOT AND GO ACROSS THE STREET. YOU'LL HEAR THE CARS BUZZING BY. BUT YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME YOU CAN HEAR THE NOISE. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. THERE'S NO, I'VE DONE IT MANY TIMES. ACTUALLY. I, I EVEN CALLED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, NATIONAL CITY POLICE TO COME OVER AND DO A DECIBEL READING. THEY SAID THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME OVER BECAUSE THERE IS NO COMPLAINT. AND I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S FINE. SO, BUT I'M JUST GONNA LET YOU GUYS KNOW, GO THERE ON A FRIDAY OR SATURDAY NIGHT AND LISTEN FOR YOURSELF. THERE IS NO NOISE. UM, THERE IS A HOMELESS POPULATION THERE, THOUGH, AND THEY BLAST THEIR RADIOS OCCASIONALLY. SOMETIMES THERE'S A BIG GROUP, SOMETIMES THERE'S A LITTLE GROUP, BUT MAYBE THEY WERE PLAYING THE RADIO THAT NIGHT AND THEY HEARD THE RADIO AND THEY, AND THEY BLAST THE RADIO. BUT FOR YOU TO TELL ME, FOR SOMEONE TO TELL THAT THERE'S A, A LOUD NOISE GOING ON, THERE'S, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO WAY. SO I JUST WANNA LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT, UH, IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO GO. UM, HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT. I, I, I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE THAT'VE COME. THEY COME, THEY LIVE IN ESCONDIDO, AND THEY DRIVE THERE EVERY FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT THEY COME THERE AND THEY'RE OPEN LATE AT NIGHT, WHICH IS THE FORMER RESTAURANT, LAS, THEY WOULD CLOSE 10 OR 11 O'CLOCK. AND, UH, IF YOU COME THERE, PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AT 11 OR 12 O'CLOCK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. SO IT'S A GREAT PLACE. I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MCKAYLA POLANCO, UH, A FEW WEEKS AGO I WAS HERE, UH, BECAUSE THERE WAS A, UH, ASK FOR A HARD LIQUOR CELLS, UH, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER, UH, TO APPROVE. AND I DIDN'T KNOW ANYBODY ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL IT APPEARED IN THE AGENDA. LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION IS WHAT THIS LIQUOR SALES IS ALL ABOUT. I THINK THAT THAT'S A LONG-TERM PLANNING STRATEGY FOR THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY TO CONSIDER. AND I'M PRO BUSINESS. I'M PRO UH, SALES TAX. HOWEVER, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE COST AND BENEFITS ANALYSIS. HOW MANY POLICE CALLS ARE YOU GONNA TAKE? HOW MANY, HOW MUCH GARBAGE ARE YOU GONNA HAVE TO PICK UP? HOW MANY NOISE CALLS ARE YOU GONNA HAVE TO HAVE? HOW MUCH REVENUE? UH, MARCUS HAD A GOOD QUESTION. HOW MUCH REVENUE IS IT REALLY GONNA BE GENERATED? IS IT, AND, AND IS IT REALLY GONNA PAY ALL THESE POLICE CALLS? I MEAN, THIS IS WHERE THE CITY MANAGER HAS TO DO A DUE DILIGENCE INSTEAD OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE, UH, APPLICANTS JUST COMING IN AND WILLY, WILLY, OKAY, I WANT, I WANT THIS AND I WANT THAT, AND I WANT THAT THIS PERMIT THAT WAS NEXT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN ATROCIOUS? WHY? BECAUSE OF CHILDREN, BECAUSE OF OUR HIGH SCHOOLERS. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN INAPPROPRIATE LOCATION. NOW, MANILA MIGHT BE THE MORE APPROPRIATE LOCATION. I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T REALLY, UH, SAY MUCH ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW. I'VE NEVER BEEN TO MANILA, AND I'M SURE IT'S A GREAT PLACE, BUT I'M TELLING YOU, THIS LIQUOR LICENSE THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED NEXT TO THIS HIGH SCHOOL WOULD'VE BEEN REALLY BAD FOR, FOR OUR CHILDREN AND FOR THE FUTURE GENERATIONS OF OUR CHILDREN. I DON'T AGREE WITH ALCOHOL BEING SO CLOSE TO A HIGH SCHOOL, AND I DON'T AGREE WITH US JUST, UH, GETTING THIS PERMITS THROUGH JUST TO MAKE MORE SALES REVENUE. WE HAVE TO DO BETTER. WE HAVE TO THINK LONG TERM FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, VICE MAYOR, WE HAD THREE INDIVIDUALS WHO DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT REGISTERED [01:15:01] POSITIONS IN FAVOR. AND THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. UH, DEPUTY CLERK, UH, HUSSEIN, DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE DAIS? UM, WOULD YOU LIKE THE APPLICANT TO COME UP? YES. I, I HAD QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. MR. MIRANDA, CAN YOU PLEASE COME UP? THANK YOU. YEAH, I SAW YOU NOD. AND I, UM, ASKED YOU, UH, THIS EARLIER WHEN I VISITED THE BUSINESS. UM, SO WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, EXPANDED HOURS, LIKE WHAT, EVEN BEYOND. SO INITIALLY, AS I UNDERSTAND, INITIALLY YOU CAME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UM, YOU ASKED, UH, FOR, UH, MORE HOURS. SO MAYBE IT WAS, UH, TILL 12:00 AM OR 2:00 AM I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT EXACTLY IT WAS. UM, STAFF TOLD YOU THAT, UH, THAT TYPICALLY, UH, WE'RE, WE PROVIDE THESE LICENSES UP TO 10:11 PM AND, UH, MR. REEDER GAVE YOU THE PRESENTATION ON WHAT RECENTLY WE APPROVED. AND SO MY QUESTION TO YOU WAS, UH, FOR IF WE WERE TO, UH, EXPAND THE HOURS, WHICH I'M NOT SURE, AND I'M GONNA GET THAT CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF, IF WE CAN DO THAT AS PART OF THIS MOTION TONIGHT WITHOUT DELAYING THE ITEM FURTHER. UM, SO, UM, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS 11:00 AM TO 11:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. UM, AND THEN, UH, 11:00 AM TO 12. 11:00 AM TO 12:00 AM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. UM, SO I, I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS, UH, IF WE CAN DO IT, UM, WHICH I'M GONNA FIND THE CLARIFICATION FROM CITY STAFF. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE THE EXPANDED HOURS? AND IF SO, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE ADDITIONAL, UH, REVENUE IN SALES TAX REVENUE GENERATION FOR THAT? THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH. UM, I GOT SOME DATA FROM THE PAST SIX MONTHS OF, UH, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING MANILA BISTRO. AND, UM, TO THE FIRST QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH, UM, IS GOING TO IMPACT ON THE, ON THE POSITIVE SIDE WHEN IT COMES TO THE SALE GENERATED, IF WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND THE HOURS UNTIL, UH, LIKE, SAY ONE IN THE MORNING AND, UM, WELL, IT WILL DEFINITELY WILL CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS THE GE THE GENERATING MORE REVENUES. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, UM, I COULD SAY THAT ON THE AVERAGE, UH, FOR THE FIRST SIX MONTHS, WE COULD SAY THAT LIKE FOR EVERY MONTH ABOUT 67, 67 TO 70% OF OUR DAILY SALE IS COMING FROM FOOD AND FOOD ONLY ABOUT 30% OR EVEN LESS THAN THAT COMES FROM, UM, BEVERAGES. AND SO PEOPLE WOULD COME ON DINNER TIME, LIKE WE'D START ABOUT SIX O'CLOCK UNTIL LIKE ABOUT NINE O'CLOCK. AND THEN TOWARDS THE END OF THE BUSINESS HOURS, PEOPLE WOULD JUST, UH, SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, UH, SINGING, SINGING AND, UM, ORDERING SOME BEVERAGES. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE FOR LIKE TWO MORE HOURS, I, I GOTTA SAY THAT THAT COULD PROVIDE LIKE ABOUT 15 TO 20% MORE OF THE REVENUE THAT WE'RE MAKING. UM, I HAVE SOME DATA, BUT, UM, I WOULD RATHER JUST DO THE, DO YOU WANT THE, THE, IF THE 15 TO 20% IS 15? YES. OKAY. THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING. SO YES, YOUR, YOUR HONOR. 15. I APPRECIATE THAT. 20%. YES. I'M JUST NOT SURE WHAT THE, UM, BUT I, I GUESS I WOULDN'T EXPECT YOU TO, UH, HAVE THIS, LIKE WHAT THE BREAKDOWN IN IN SALES TAX REVENUE. RIGHT. WELL, AT LEAST LEMME ASK. UM, UH, THE CITY MANAGER OR, UM, OUR, UM, OUR, OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR. SO FROM, FROM A BUSINESS LIKE THIS IN OPERATIONS, IS IT JUST SALES TAX REVENUE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS A CITY? OR WHAT OTHER REVENUES WOULD A BUSINESS LIKE THIS WOULD THIS GENERATE? WOULD, YEAH, IT WOULD ONLY BE, IT WOULD ONLY BE SALES TAX IF APPLICABLE. I KNOW THAT'S, UH, DEPENDS ON THE, ON, YEAH. BUT IT'S ONLY THAT, THAT WE WOULDN'T ALLOW SPECIAL EVENTS OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD BRING IN ANY ADDITIONAL, ANY ADDITIONAL REVENUES. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. SO THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS WITH NOISE IMPACTS. I DO APPRECIATE THE RESIDENT, UM, FORGOT, UH, WHERE HE IS OR WHAT HIS NAME IS, WHAT HE CAME. AND HE, UH, SAID THAT, UM, THAT HE STANDS 10 FEET OUTSIDE AND HE DOESN'T, UH, HEAR THE NOISE. AND I CAN SAY I VISITED THE BACK AND, AND THE FRONT, AND I ALSO DID NOT NOTICE ANY NOISE IMPACTS, EVEN WHEN IT WAS IN FULL OPERATION. SO CAN YOU GO OVER WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU DID, UM, YOU MADE SOME INVESTMENTS IN NOISE CON CONTROL, AND THEN WHAT OTHER, UM, MEASURES ARE YOU TAKING TO REDUCE ANY NOISE OR NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACT? SO OVERSERVING IS ONE. AND, UH, THAT RESULTS A LOT OF TIMES IN ISSUES, UM, OUT IN THE STREET. UM, RIGHT. AND SO PEOPLE LOITERING AND IT'S IN THE REPORT, SOME OF THE ISSUES. SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO, TO THE NOISE AND WHAT, WHAT MEASURES YOU'RE TAKING? YES, SIR. WHEN WE ACQUIRED THE, UH, THE BUSINESS BACK IN OCTOBER, I WAS THE ONE WHO PERSONALLY SUPERVISED THE, UH, THE RENOVATION. AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT, UH, THAT I SUGGESTED TO THE OWNERS IS FOR US TO PUT SOME SOUND TREATMENT. AND, UH, [01:20:01] THOSE ARE THE, THE ACOUSTIC BOARDS THAT I POINTED OUT TO YOU, UH, TO COUNCIL MEMBER MARCUS WHEN HE CAME TO VISIT. AND BECAUSE TO US THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTAIN, UH, THE, THE NOISE INSIDE THE RESTAURANT. AND, AND AFTER PUTTING SOME SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT ON, UM, SOUND TREATMENT, WE CALL IT THE SOUND TREATMENT, THE ACOUSTIC BOARDS, ALL THROUGHOUT THE CEILING, THE WALL, AND ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK. SO WE, I CAME UP WITH DECIBEL MEASUREMENT, UH, MAKING, MAKING IT AS THE DECIMAL METER. I AGREE WITH, UH, THE PERSON WHO SPOKE A WHILE AGO THAT IF YOU STAND LIKE ABOUT 10 FEET FROM THE DOOR, YOU COULD HARDLY HEAR ANYTHING. YOU WOULD HEAR, UH, THE CAR OR THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE PASSING BY. AND THE ONLY TIME THAT PROBABLY, UH, SOME OF THE NOISE WOULD SPILL OUT WOULD BE WHEN THE DOOR IS OPEN, WHEN PEOPLE ARE GOING IN AND OUT. AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. AND ONE OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SECURITY PERSONNEL THAT WE JUST HIRED IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DOOR IS ALWAYS CLOSED. UH, AND SO THIS, THIS, THIS IS A MEASUREMENT OF, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE NOISE THAT IS COMING OUT FROM THE RESTAURANT AT THE BACK AND IN FRONT AS YOU CAN SEE THAT THE READING IS LIKE CONVERSATION LEVEL. AND SO YOU HAVE ONSITE SECURITY THAT'S YES, SIR. GONNA BE PRESENT. WE, WE, WE SIGN A CONTRACT, YES, WE DO. OKAY. UH, WE, IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MINOR BECAUSE WE AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT, UH, SHE HAD, UH, SHARED WITH US. 'CAUSE OF COURSE, WE'RE PART OF THE DISTRICT AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP OUT THE COUNCIL MEMBER IN MAKING SURE THE SAFETY AND, AND, AND, UH, THAT THE PLACE IS NICE. AND SO WE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT. THE LIGHTS, I AM IN NEGOTIATION WITH THE LANDLORD NOW, EITHER, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PAY IT OUT OF OUR OWN POCKET OR, BUT ACTUALLY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE THE LIGHTS, IT'S NOT JUST FOR MANILA BISTRO, BUT FOR ALL THE TENANTS THERE. BUT WE ALREADY, UH, CONVEYED TO THE LANDLORD THAT WE ARE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE SO THAT JUST THOSE BUSTED LIGHTS MAY BE REPLACED. I THINK THERE WERE ABOUT TWO OR THREE BUSTED, UH, LIGHTS. AND FOR THE, UH, THE, THE HOUSELESS, UH, THAT IS THE WAY FOR US TO MITIGATE IS THE SECURITY GUARD. GREAT. AND THEN, UH, FINAL QUESTION ABOUT, UH, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI BROUGHT UP ABOUT, UM, UH, TRASH. 'CAUSE I, I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF TRASH AND DEBRIS IN THE AREA, AND A LOT OF IT IS, I THINK, FROM THE HOMELESSNESS. SO, UM, IT DOESN'T REALLY SEEM THAT IT'S COMING FROM YOUR BUSINESS, BUT WHAT CAN YOU GUYS DO PROACTIVELY? MAYBE IT'S YOUR SECURITY GUARD OR WHAT MEASURES CAN BE TAKEN TO KIND OF ADDRESS THAT CONCERN IN OR DISTRICT WITH, UM, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE, WITH, WITH TRASH AND ITEMS LIKE THAT? THAT'S RIGHT. WE NEVER HAD ISSUES WITH THE TRUST AS FAR AS PADILLA BISTRO AND OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED, LIKE THE PARLOR AND THE, UH, THE COIN LAUNDRY. WE HAVE DUMPSTERS IN THE BACK, AND SO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE COLLECT ALL THE, ALL THE, UH, THE WASTE AND PUT IT AT, AND TO PROPERLY DISPOSE THEM. NOW FOR THE HOUSE LESS, THERE ARE VERY OCCASIONAL INSTANCES WHEN IN, WHEN, IN THE MORNING WHEN I GO THERE, THERE'S SOME LEADER, BUT WE TAKE CARE OF THAT. WE COLLECT, WE COLLECT IT, AND JUST PUT IT IN OUR OWN DUMPSTERS. BUT NOT A ALLOW, NOT NOT TOO MANY IN FRONT OF OURS, BUT I UNDERSTAND. BUT SOME OTHER PART, LIKE ON THE PART WHERE, UM, THE LIQUOR STORE ALL THE WAY TO THAT END OF THE PROPERTY, BUT IN FRONT OF THE MANILA BISTRO NOW, WE DON'T HAVE SO MUCH OF THAT PROBLEM. THANK YOU, MR. BUSH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANI? THANK YOU. UM, MADAM CHAIR, UM, MR. MIRANDA, IF YOU CAN, YOU SAID THAT YOU ARE WANTING TO HAVE THE SERVICES OR THE, UM, SERVICES FROM 11:00 AM TO 10:00 PM WHICH IS WHAT WAS IN YOUR, UM, IN YOUR, UH, PROPOSAL. YES, MA'AM. UM, DO YOU SERVE LUNCH NOW, SIR? YEAH. YES, MA'AM. EVERY DAY, UH, WE, WE TRY SERVING LUNCH EVERY DAY. THE, THE BUFFET THAT STARTS AT NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING UNTIL 3:00 PM. UM, BUT FOR SOME REASON WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, WE NEED MORE STAFF, AND SO WE REDUCE IT TO THE WEEKENDS FOR NOW. BUT OUR PLANS IS TO DO IT EVERY DAY, MAN. BUT FOR NOW, WE DO, UH, LUNCH BRU BUFFET. MM-HMM . SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS FROM NINE IN THE MORNING UNTIL THREE, AND THEN CONTINUE WITH OUR REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS. SO FROM, FROM MONDAY IS OUR DAY OFF, SO WE DON'T OPEN ON MONDAY. UH, BUT THE REST OF THE DAYS OF THE WEEK, UH, WE DON'T HAVE LUNCH YET, BUT PROBABLY IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, ONCE WE GET MORE STAFF, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE WITH OUR EVERYDAY, UH, BRUNCH. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, FOR THURSDAY, THAT, THAT'S FOR MON SUNDAY TO THURSDAY, UM, IS 10:00 AM TO 11:00 PM AND YOU SAID, UM, THAT YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO SERVE LUNCH DURING THOSE DAYS EXCEPT FOR MONDAY, BECAUSE YOU'RE CLOSE. YEAH. AND DURING LUNCHEON, [01:25:01] DO YOU SERVE ALCOHOL TOO? YES, MA'AM, WE DO. YOU DO? YES. WHEN YOU GET THIS, YOU, YOU, THERE IS A, UH, THERE IS A REQUEST FOR ALCOHOL. UM, WE, WE, WE ALREADY HAVE THE TYPE 41, AND SO YES, MA'AM. SO YEAH, BEER IN WINE, RIGHT. BUT THE, BUT THE DATA SHOWS THAT THE ALCOHOL SALES DURING THOSE HOURS IS VERY, VERY MINIMAL. MINIMAL. OKAY. SO, AND THEN FOR FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, YOU'RE REQUESTING TO SERVE, UM, BEER, YOU KNOW, YOUR 47 MM-HMM . BEER, WINE, AND DISTILLED SPIRITS FROM 11:00 AM TO 12:00 AM THAT'S RIGHT. YES, MA'AM. AND I ASKED YOU ABOUT YOUR LAST CALL. YES. AND WHAT IS THAT, SIR? SO THE, THE LAST CALL IS, UH, 30 MINUTES BEFORE THAT BECAUSE WE CLOSE, WE CLOSE THE RESTAURANT AT, AT ONE O'CLOCK ON WEEKENDS. AND THIS IS A WAY TO KIND OF, UH, MAKE UP FOR THE REVENUE BECAUSE NOT EVERY DAY REALLY ARE, ARE BUSY DAYS, ESPECIALLY LIKE TUESDAYS AND, AND WEDNESDAYS. SO, UM, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE REQUESTING FOR A LONGER HOURS DURING THE WEEKENDS TO KIND OF LIKE, UH, PICK UP FOR THE, FOR THE DAYS THAT ARE NOT THAT BUSY. AND GOING BACK TO THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE LAST CALL IS ALWAYS 30 MINUTES. SO IF YOU'RE SAYING 12:12 AM ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, THAT WOULD BE A LAST CALL OF 1130? YES, MA'AM. AND DURING THAT TIME, YOU'RE ALSO NOT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOUR, YOUR, UH, ENTERTAINMENT ALSO STOPS. OH, YEAH. THE ENTERTAINMENT IS ONLY UNTIL, UH, EL THURSDAY IS 11 O'CLOCK, MA'AM. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LISTENING TO THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS, THESE ARE LONGTIME RESIDENTS, UM, AND MOST OF THEM ARE SENIORS, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE VERY, VERY, UH, SENSITIVE TO NOISE. UM, AND, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, YOUR, UM, CONCERN OF, UM, MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER YES, MA'AM. TO BE A RESPONSIBLE, UM, CORPORATE CITIZEN IN, IN THAT AREA. YES, MA'AM. AND TO ALSO HELP THE OTHER BUSINESSES THERE, RIGHT. THAT I KNOW ARE ALSO HAVE SOME COMPLAINTS, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THOSE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT. YES, MA'AM. UM, SO, UM, IF IT, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE READ THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE INSTITUTE OF PUBLIC STRATEGIES THAT WILL HELP YOU, SIR. YES, MA'AM. YES. IT WILL NOT HELP YOU IF WE, IF WE SAY WE FOLLOW THE TIMES THAT THE PUBLIC, THE IPS HAVE PROVIDED US THE, THE RECOMMENDATION. IT'S ON PAGE 1 77, UM, LIMIT ALCOHOL SERVICE TO TUESDAY, THURSDAY, TUESDAY TO THURSDAY, 5:00 PM TO TO 10:00 PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, 5:00 PM TO 12:00 AM SUNDAY, 5:00 PM TO 10:00 PM IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH, SIR? UH, THAT DEFINITELY GONNA REDUCE, PARDON ME FOR INTERRUPTING. MAY I ASK MR. READER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS? YEAH, IF YOU DON'T MIND IF I JUST MAKE A COUPLE OF THINGS CLEAR. UH, WE'RE DEALING WITH AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING NO CEP ALCOHOL LICENSE. SO RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE NO LIMITATIONS ON, UH, SALES, ALCOHOL. SALES ARE HOURS OTHER THAN WHAT A BC PUTS ON IT, WHICH IS USUALLY SIX A. UM, AND OUR MUNICIPAL CODE SAYS MUNICIPAL CODE DOESN'T ADDRESS IT. IT ONLY ADDRESSES IT THROUGH THE CEP PROCESS. SO RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO LIMITATIONS. AND USUALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIMITATIONS, WE TALK ABOUT CLOSING TIME RATHER THAN OPENING TIME. UH, AND IN A CONDITION WHERE YOU HAVE AN EXISTING BUSINESS THAT ALREADY SELLS LUNCH, AND THEY'RE ALREADY USED TO SELLING ALCOHOL DURING THAT TIME, WE WOULD BE RETICENT TO, TO LIMIT THAT TOO MUCH. PARTICULARLY WHEN THE CONDITIONS THAT LEAD TO COMPLAINTS ARE USUALLY AT NIGHT, NOT DURING THE DAY. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE WE'RE ADDING ALCOHOL DISTILLED SPIRITS, WHICH IS, UH, CAN BE A POTENTIAL CONCERN, BUT WE'RE NOT EXPECTING, BASED ON THE CONDITIONS AND THE CURRENT OPERATING CONDITIONS, MUCH OF A CHANGE JUST BY ADDING, ADDING THAT. UM, WE DEFINITELY TAKE SERIOUSLY ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD IN THAT AREA SURROUNDING THE CREEK AND BEHIND THE PROPERTY. AND, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE NICE TO, TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS SEPARATELY, AS THEY ARE A SEPARATELY RELATED ISSUE. THEY'RE NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE, THE RESTAURANT, PER SE. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO, AND ALSO, THE, THE ACTIVITY, ESPECIALLY WITH A, A ADDITION OF A SECURITY GUARD WILL BRING MORE PEOPLE TO THE AREA AND MAKE PEOPLE FEEL SAFE. AND HOPEFULLY THOSE ADDITIONAL EYES ON THE STREET WILL MAKE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANNA BE THERE OR SHOULDN'T BE THERE, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING. SO WE'RE HOPING FOR SUCCESS, WHICH LEADS TO BETTER PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND SO FORTH. UM, SO I, I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS WAS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT I WOULD CERTAINLY SAY ABOUT THE, THE TIMES. AND, YOU KNOW, THE INSTITUTE OF PUBLIC STRATEGIES ALWAYS HAS SOME GOOD IDEAS THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT [01:30:01] PRETTY LIMITING ON THE BUSINESS, AND WE'RE PROBABLY OFFSET MUCH OF WHAT'S, UH, WHAT THEY WOULD GAIN. AND WHILE I'M INTERRUPTING YOU, UH, AS FAR AS THE, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF, UH, CONVERSATIONS ABOUT LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. I WILL POINT OUT THAT A SINGLE ACOUSTIC ENTERTAINER IS ALLOWED UNDER THE CODE. CURRENTLY, ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT DOES REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND IN PREVIOUS ITERATIONS OF THE BUSINESS, I MEAN, I WENT BACK THROUGH THE A BC RECORDS TODAY, AND SOME OF THEM ARE CALLED, YOU KNOW, ED'S BISTRO AND KARAOKE. SO WE KNOW THAT KARAOKE ANOTHER LIVE ENTERTAINMENT HAD HAPPENED THERE BEFORE. WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS, THAT PREDATED THE CEP REQUIREMENT. I DON'T KNOW, WHICH IS WHY I WASN'T ABLE TO, TO, UH, AFFIRMATIVELY SAY WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT OR NOT. BUT THE APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN VERY FORTHCOMING TO STAFF, AT LEAST TO LET US KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO COME INTO COMPLETE COMPLIANCE, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE INCLUDED THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE, WHICH ARE BASED ON PREVIOUS, UH, PREVIOUS, UH, SIMILAR RESTAURANT LIVE ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESSES. AND IN, UH, IN FAIRNESS, WE WOULD LIKE TO TRY AND KEEP THEM AS CONSISTENT AS POSSIBLE. 'CAUSE THAT HELPS WITH NOT ONLY EXISTING BUSINESSES WHEN IN A COME AND APPLY, BUT ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN, WE CAN EN ENFORCE APPROPRIATELY. I, I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. I WAS HERE DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND THE, THE CONCERNS OF THE, UH, COMMISSIONERS ARE ALSO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE NEIGHBORS BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THE RESIDENTS, BECAUSE WE ARE THE DENSEST AREA IN, IN THE, IN THE CITY. WE HAVE A VERY SMALL REAL ESTATE. BUT THE, THE HOMES ARE REALLY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER, MOST ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA, ACROSS ON THE SIDE OF, OF THE PLACE. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, DIRECTOR, IS, UM, WHEN I HAD MY BRIEFING, UM, COUNSEL, CAN YOU CONFIRM THIS? THAT, UM, UM, PERMITS RIGHT NOW, FOR FRIDAY TO SATURDAY THAT WE HAVE IS UP TO 11:00 PM WHY ARE WE EXTENDING THIS TO 12:00 AM? WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S NO LIMITATION CURRENTLY. THERE'S NO, SO THEY CAN SELL UP TO, WE ARE IN THE MORNING, THERE'S, YEAH, THERE'S NO CURRENT CONDITION. THERE'S NO CURRENT CUP. SO THERE ARE NO CONDITIONS. THERE ARE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES OF VARIOUS BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN IN THIS LOCATION, WHICH HAVE GONE ANYWHERE FROM 10 EVEN UP TO MIDNIGHT. SO THEY CAN DO THAT. NOW, IF FOR SOME REASON THIS IS DENIED, THEY CAN GO BACK TO SELLING BARREL WINE UNTIL ONE IN THE MORNING. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT A BC ALLOWS. BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE TRYING TO COME MORE INTO COMPLIANCE AND TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, RESPECTFUL OF, OF THE NEIGHBORS. AND THEN I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT, AS I'D LIKE TO REMIND THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS WE HAVE THESE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT ARE INTENDED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ACTING AS GOOD NEIGHBORS. AND IF THEY VIOLATE THESE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WE CAN REVOKE THE CEP IF, IF NECESSARY. I, I THINK THEY'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY HAVE MADE SOME EFFORTS TO COMPLY WITH, OR, OR TO AT LEAST BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR BY GETTING SOME OF THOSE MITIGATING, UM, ACTIONS THAT, UM, PASTOR ANTHONY HAD HAD STATED. SO, UM, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I, I GOT IT, COUNSEL. I GOT THE ANSWER. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. THANK YOU, SIR. MS. THOMAS. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? UH, YEAH, JUST A COMMENT. UM, WANNA THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UM, UH, GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, RESPECTING OUR COMMUNITY. UH, I UNDERSTAND SOME, SOME OF THE PARCELS THAT WE HAVE. UH, OUR CITY IS SO SMALL THAT OFTENTIMES, UM, OUR BACKYARDS ARE, YOU KNOW, UM, INDIVIDUAL HOMES AND, AND RESIDENTS AS WELL. AND SO REALIZING THAT THAT IS AN ISSUE, I I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING HERE AND WORKING WITH COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS A GOOD, POSITIVE EXPERIENCE, UM, IN, IN THE HOME THEY LIVE, AND ALSO AT THE SAME TIME SUPPORTING OUR BUSINESSES. AND SO, REALLY WANNA COMMEND THE EFFORT OF ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI, UH, FOR FOLLOWING THE ITEM. AND, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. UH, I, UH, FEEL ASHAMED IN SAYING THIS. I HAVE NOT BEEN THERE, SO I REALLY NEED TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO STOP BY AND, UH, AND TRY YOUR, YOUR FOOD. I HEAR WONDERS, BUT I, I GOTTA TRY IT. SO I, I GOTTA STOP BY SOON. YOU HAVE TO SING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OH, AND I GOTTA SING AS WELL. . YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ. AND WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO COME AND, UH, AND VISIT US ONE TIME WHENEVER YOU GET A CHANCE. AND SO WITH THE VICE MAYOR, THANK YOU. AND ALL THE REST OF THE, THE CITY OFFICIALS ARE HERE. OH, THANK YOU. SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE IT FOR YOURSELF, REALLY. THE, THE, THE PLACE YOU, UH, FOR THOSE WHO ALREADY HAVE BEEN THERE. IT'S NOT A NIGHTCLUB, IT'S NOT A BAR. IT'S, IT'S A VERY DECENT, UH, DINING PLACE. AND THE KARAOKE AND, AND, AND THE, UM, THE LIVE ACOUSTIC BAND IS JUST TO COMPLIMENT THE DINING EXPERIENCE. YES. THAT I COULD, UH, ASSURE THE COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MIRANDA. THANK YOU. HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. AND, UH, AT THE DAAS, IS THERE A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'LL MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU PUSH THAT AGAIN? MM-HMM . APOLOGIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU PLEASE VOTE. [01:35:01] COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI REGISTER. SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI IS YOUR VOTE? YES. UH, IT DIDN'T REGISTER. YOU CAN JUST GIVE IT TO ME VERBALLY. IS IT A YES OR NO? YES. YES. MOTION APPROVED WITH MAYOR MORRISON. ABSTAINING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW I DECLARE PUBLIC TESTIMONY CLOSED, AND THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW DELIBERATE. DO WE HAVE, UH, A MOTION THAT SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD? MS. YAMANI, WERE YOU CONSIDERING A MOTION EARLIER? UM, I WAS, UH, GOING TO, LEMME SEE THAT. I HAVE TO READ IT PROPERLY. COUNCIL, WHERE? THAT, IT'S RIGHT HERE. UM, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE ONSITE SALE OF BEER, WINE, AND DISTILLED SPIRITS, A, B, C TYPE 47 AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT THE EXISTING RESTAURANT, MANILA TRO, LOCATED AT 9 3 3 3 9 3 3 SOUTH HARBISON AVENUE, UM, WITH THE CONDITIONS, UM, STATED BY THE, UM, BY OUR STAFF ISO MOVE. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. NO FURTHER COMMENTS. WE CAN MOVE. YES. OH, MR. BUSH, I HAVE SOME, UH, QUESTION, JUST DISCUSSION FOR, UH, COLLEAGUES. IS, UM, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN CONSIDERING EXPANDED HOURS GIVEN THE INCREASED REVENUE POTENTIAL, UH, FOR THE CITY? AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, UH, REDUCED, UM, NOISE IMPACTS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, MADE. SO THAT, WOULD MY COLLEAGUES, UH, CONSIDER EXPANDED HOURS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, CAN WE HELP THEM SUCCEED FIRST AND THEN WE SEE HOW THEY'RE GONNA, UM, AG UH, HOW GONNA, HOW THEY'RE GONNA COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE SET FORTH? AND WE WILL ABSOLUTELY HELP THEM ONCE, UM, YOU KNOW, MEAN THAT COMES BEFORE US. WE COULD, YEAH, I'M, I'D BE OPEN TO THAT. I'D, I'D BE MORE OPEN TO JUST GIVING THEM THAT NOW, GIVEN THAT THERE'S BEEN NO COMPLAINTS OR ISSUES. BUT YEAH. UM, THERE ARE STILL COMPLAINTS AND ISSUES BASED ON THE NEIGHBORS, NEIGHBORS THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO. AND, UM, THE REPRESENTATIVE, PASTOR MIRANDA, I HAVE EXPRESSED IT TO HIM, AND HE IS ALSO GOING TO MONITOR THOSE. SO I THINK, UM, WE NEED TO, UM, CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM AND, UH, MAKE OUR NEIGHBORS, UM, IN THAT AREA. HE'S ALREADY ADDRESSING THEM, UM, THE, THE OWNERSHIP OF BI UH, MANILA BISTRO. AND, UM, WE'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL TRANSPIRE FROM THIS NEW, UM, CUP THAT, UH, FOR NOW IS THEY'RE GONNA BE IN COMPLIANCE. 'CAUSE THEY WERE DOING IT WITHOUT IT. SO NOW OUR DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, CITY MADE IT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UH, CORRECT. AND, UM, WE, WE WILL SUPPORT YOU WITH, WITH WHATEVER CONDITIONS WE HAVE HERE, SIR. THANK YOU, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE THE MOTION UP ON THE BOARD? WAS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT LET'S MOVE TO THE VOTE, PLEASE. I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, I, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH. UM, I WOULD LOVE TO RECONSIDER THAT AT SOME POINT AFTER THE BUSINESS IS WELL ESTABLISHED AND THESE NEW RULES ARE, ARE, ARE ESTABLISHED, BUT I'M, I'M VERY MUCH OPEN TO IT IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION APPROVED WITH MAYOR MORRISON. ABSTAINING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENCE TONIGHT. THAT CONCLUDES, UM, ACTION OR ITEM 9.1. UM, SHALL WE LET THE MAYOR BACK IN? THANK YOU. [01:40:06] OKAY. GOT BROUGHT A SNACK. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH WITH, UH, MAYOR MORRISON BACK AT THE DIOCESE. I SEED THE FLOOR TO HIM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, NEXT WE HAVE 10.1 THAT HAS BEEN, UM, UH, TAKEN OFF AGENDA BE BROUGHT UP, BROUGHT BACK AT THE FUTURE AGENDA. NEXT WE GO TO, [10.2 Business and Fiscal Sustainability Plan FY 2027 – 2031.] UH, 10.2. THIS IS THE BUSINESS AND FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN FOR 27 THROUGH 31 MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, UH, DOUG SCHULTZ, CITY MANAGER. UM, I, THIS IS A PLAN THAT HAS BEEN, UH, PUT TOGETHER PROBABLY A LITTLE EARLIER THAN WHAT I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO AS YOUR NEW CITY MANAGER. UM, IT REQUIRED A, A PRETTY, UH, DEEP DIVE INTO NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITY, BUT THE CITY'S, UH, FINANCIAL, UH, CONDITION CURRENTLY AS WELL AS, UH, PAST SEVERAL YEARS. WE DIDN'T HAVE IT LOADED. OKAY, SO, UM, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE, UM, BUSINESS AND FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY OF THE CITY FIRST. UM, AND WHAT IS FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY? WHAT IT REALLY MEANS IS THAT GOVERNMENT CAN, CAN CONSISTENTLY MEET ITS RECURRING COSTS, MANAGE DEBT OBLIGATIONS, AND RESPOND TO ECONOMIC AND OPERATIONAL SHOCKS WITHOUT RELYING ON TEMPORARY MEASURES LIKE ONE-TIME REVENUES, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE OR RESERVE DEPLETION. SO WHY DO HEALTHY RESERVES MATTER? BECAUSE STUFF HAPPENS, RIGHT? UM, HEALTHY RESERVES MATTER. TYPICALLY, 15 TO 25% OF ANNUAL OPERATING EXPENDITURES, UH, SHOULD BE SET ASIDE FOR THE GENERAL FUND, UH, TO PRO PROVIDE BUFFER, UH, BUFFER AGAINST DOWNTURNS. UH, THIS COULD BE ECONOMIC DOWNTURNS, IT COULD BE PANDEMICS, GEOPOLITICAL CRISES, UNCONTROLLABLE IMPACTS SUCH AS UNFUNDED MANDATES, INSURANCE COSTS, PENSION OBLIGATIONS, NATURAL OR MANMADE DISASTERS, AND THEN ALSO MISSED OPPORTUNITIES. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HAD A GRANT OPPORTUNITY TO ACCOMPLISH A CAPITAL PROJECT THAT WE HAD TO PASS ON BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MATCHING FUNDS? SO, FISCAL, I STUMBLE ON THAT WORD. FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY THEORY, UH, INFORMS POLICY DECISIONS. SO, FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY ALLOWS, ALLOWS LEADERS TO SHIFT THE FOCUS FROM YEAR TO YEAR SURVIVAL TO LONG TERM SERVICE DELIVERY AND INVESTMENT. IT, IT CREATES A SPACE FOR SMARTER DECISIONS, GREATER TRANSPARENCY, AND BETTER ALIGNMENT WITH COMMUNITY PRIORITIES AND LONG-TERM FISCAL GOALS. IN RECENT YEARS, SPECIFICALLY FISCAL YEAR 24 AND 25, THE, THE CITY ADOPTED BUDGETS THAT PROJECTED DEFICIT SPENDING, WHICH USED RESERVE FUNDS TO BALANCE THE BUDGET. IN FISCAL YEAR 24, THE ADOPTED BUDGET PRO PROJECTED SPENDING APPROXIMATELY 5 MILLION IN RESERVES. [01:45:01] BUT AT THE YEAR END, 20 20, 20 24, WE ACTUALLY HAD REVENUES EXCEED EXPENDITURES. SO THE YEAR, YEAR END RESULTS OR ACTUALS RESULTED IN A $5.7 MILLION SURPLUS. IN 2025, THE DEFICIT OF $1 MILLION WAS BUDGETED, BUT AT THE YEAR END, THE ACTUAL REVENUES, AGAIN, EXCEEDED EXPENDITURES. AND FISCAL YEAR 25 CLOSED WITH ABOUT A $500,000 SURPLUS. THAT CHANGED IN FISCAL YEAR 2026. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS THAT GOT US TO THE POINT WE'RE AT NOW, BECAUSE PAST BUDGETING, UM, PERFORMANCE ACTUALLY RESULTED IN A MUCH BETTER OUTCOME THAN THE ADOPTED BUDGET. UH, IN 2026, A DRAWDOWN OF RESERVES IN THE AMOUNT OF 9.3 MILLION WAS BUDGETED. N ONE 20, UH, FISCAL YEAR 2026 WAS CLOSED. THE ACTUAL REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE ADOPTED BUDGET. OF COURSE, 2025 AND 2026 ARE STILL UNAUDITED. SO, UM, THE, THOSE ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE, UH, SLIGHTLY. THE OPERATING GROWTH REVENUE HAS LAGGED BEHIND OR JUST BARELY KEPT PACE WITH INFLATION FOR MANY YEARS, SPECIFICALLY WITH THE LARGEST REVENUE SOURCES RECEIVED BY THE CITY, WHICH IS SALES TAX ACROSS ALL STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. IN CALIFORNIA, PROPERTY TAX GENERATES ABOUT 37% OF TOTAL TAX REVENUE. FOR THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY PROPERTY TAX IS JUST UNDER 20% OF TOTAL OPERATING REVENUES, SO ABOUT 17% LOWER THAN MOST CITIES IN, IN THE STATE. THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY IS A SERVICE PROVIDER, WHICH BY NATURE MEANS PERSONNEL SERVICES ARE THE LARGEST EXPENSE. APPROXIMATELY TWO THIRDS OF OPERATING EXPENSES ARE PERSONNEL. THAT IS THE KEY PIECE OF INFORMATION TO REMEMBER AS WE NOT ONLY SEEK TO ACHIEVE STRUCTURAL BALANCE, BUT ALSO FOR LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY. SO, UNASSIGNED GENERAL FUND RESERVES, WE'RE AT A HEALTHY LEVEL OF ABOUT $37 MILLION IN, IN, UH, FISCAL YEAR 24. WITHOUT INTERVENTION, WE WILL END FISCAL YEAR 27 WITH $252,598 IN UNASSIGNED RESERVES. I DON'T KNOW, WE CAN BE QUITE THAT PRECISE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE BUDGET NUMBER RIGHT NOW. WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN ADDRESSING THE BUDGET INTERNALLY AND HAVE IDENTIFIED APPROXIMATELY $2 MILLION IN SAVINGS THROUGH NEW POSITION FREEZES, ORGANIZATIONAL RIGHT SIZING AND SHIFTING GENERAL FUND COSTS TO OTHER FUNDS. THE CITY'S TOTAL RESERVES, INCLUDING 85 MILLION RES, 85 MILLION RESERVES INVESTED WITH CHANDLER ASSET MANAGEMENT, LOCAL AGENCY AND INVESTMENT FUND, LAFE AND SAN DIEGO COUNTY INVESTMENT POOL INVESTMENTS WITH CHANDLER ARE RESTRICTED LONG-TERM ASSETS WHILE INVESTMENTS WITH LAFE AND SAN DIEGO, UH, COUNTY INVESTMENT POOL ARE SHORT TERM, MORE LIQUID ASSETS. THE SHORT TERM ASSETS, BECAUSE THEY'RE LIQUID, ARE USED TO SUPPORT CASH FLOW WHEN LARGE PAYMENTS ARE DUE, SPECIFICALLY DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS ON BONDS. UH, THE FUNDS ARE THEN REPLENISHED WHEN THE CITY RECEIVES LARGER QUARTERLY OR SEMI-ANNUAL PAYMENTS, UH, FOR REVENUES LIKE SALES TAX, PROPERTY TAX, AND OTHER REV REVENUES THAT, THAT WE DON'T RECEIVE ON A REGULAR MONTHLY BASIS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT WAS THE SWOT ANALYSIS AND SOME OF THE STRENGTHS FOR NATIONAL CITY WE'RE THE HIGHEST PER CAPITA SALES TAX REVENUE IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY. STRATEGIC LOCATION NEAR DOWNTOWN SAN DIEGO, THE US MEXICO BORDER, AND THE SAN DIEGO BAY. WE HAVE 150 ACRES OF UNDER UNDERUSED PUBLIC TIDE LANDS WITH AN APPROVED REDEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENT. PRIOR PROACTIVE PENSION MANAGEMENT. UH, THIS, THE $84 MILLION IN 2021 PENSION OBLIGATION BONDS REDUCED THE EFFECTIVE INTEREST RATE ON, UH, PENSION OBLIGATION FROM 7% TO 6.8%. THAT IS EXPECTED TO SAVE ROUGHLY $20 MILLION OVER THE, THE TERM OF THE BOND. THEN THE VOTER APPROVED DEDICATED REVENUE STREAMS ALREADY IN PLACE, PROPOSITION D, THE TRANSACTION USE TAX AND MEASURE C, THE HOTEL TAX, OUR SALES TAX AND, AND PROPOSITION [01:50:01] D AS WELL AS TOT, THE HOTEL TAX ARE PAID NOT JUST BY RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT THEY'RE PAID BY VISITORS WHO BUY CARS HERE, SHOP AT WALMART PLAZA, BONITA, OUR OTHER, UH, BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY DINE AT OUR LOCAL RESTAURANTS AND STAY AT HOTELS WITH THE POPULA POPULATION OF 60,000. IT'S PRETTY HARD TO IMAGINE ALL THE BUSINESSES ARE THAT ARE SUPPORTED IN THIS COMMUNITY. THE REASON THEY'RE SUPPORTED IS BECAUSE OUR DAILY POPULATION SWELLS TO ABOUT 100,000. SO IT'S THAT 40,000 DAILY VISITORS TO THE COMMUNITY THAT HELP PAY THE SALES TAX, THE PROPOSITION D TAX AND HOTEL TAX THAT HELP PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY. LOOKING AT SOME OF THE WEAKNESSES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, OBVIOUSLY THE STRUCTURAL DEFICIT FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR AND BEYOND, WHICH EXHAUST REVENUES, UH, EXCUSE ME, NOT REVENUES, EXHAUST RESERVES. UM, IN FISCAL YEAR 2028, OUR REVENUE BASE, UM, OVERWEIGHTED IN SALES TAX, 41% OF OUR, UH, GENERAL FUND REVENUE COMES FROM SALES TAX. SALES TAX HAS BEEN STAGNANT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW, AND IT'S CYCLICAL. AS THE ECONOMY IMPROVES, WE RECEIVE MORE IN SALES TAX AS, AS THE ECONOMY RESTS, WE RECEIVE LESS IN SALES TAX. SO WE WANNA REALLY MAKE, MAKE AN EFFORT TO LOOK AT DIVERSIFYING OUR REVENUE STREAM. OUR, UH, AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS BELOW THE COUNTY, UM, AVERAGE, AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME AND ABOVE. UM, AND, AND WE'RE ALSO ABOVE THE AVERAGE, UH, POVERTY LIMIT, UM, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THESE FACTORS. THERE'S, THERE'S A LOCAL TOLERANCE, UH, UM, LIMIT, UM, FOR NEW TAXES AND FEES. UH, THE RECENT COMPENSATION STAFFING INCREASES THAT WERE APPROVED WITHOUT A DEDICATED, UM, REVENUE MATCH OR OFFSET. NATIONAL CITY IS ALSO BUILT OUT COMMUNITY THAT REQUIRES MORE EXPENSIVE INFIELD, UH, REDEVELOPMENT TO REACH OUR HOUSING TARGETS AND EXPAND COMMERCIAL RETAIL USES, PARTICULARLY IN THE DOWNTOWN URBAN CORE. AND THEN OPPORTUNITIES. AND I HAVE TO SAY, I, I BELIEVE THERE ARE MANY MORE OPPORTUNITIES THAN WHAT I'VE LISTED ON THIS, ON THIS SLIDE. UM, AND, UH, JUST AN EXAMPLE OF, OF, UM, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING NEW IN THE COMMUNITY THAT, UH, BECOMES A DESTINATION OR AN ATTRACTION. THIS IS DATA FROM, FROM PLACER AI. THEY TRACK TRACK MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE, UH, WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO, WHERE THEY MAY STOP ON THEIR ROUTE. UM, AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM PLACER AI IS THAT VISITORS TO PEPPER PARK INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY AFTER THE REOPENING. 30,000 VISITORS IN THE FIRST FOUR MONTHS, UM, AFTER PEPPER PARK REOPENED, THOSE VISITORS ORIGINATED FROM ALL OVER SAN DIEGO COUNTY, INCLUDING SOME VISITORS FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTY, AND SOME VISITORS FROM OUTSIDE THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. MANY VISITORS STOPPED AT IN AND OUT, OR CHICK-FIL-A EITHER BEFORE OR AFTER THEIR VISIT TO THE PARK. SO THIS DEMONSTRATES THE VALUE TO NATIONAL CITY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR WATERFRONT WITH DESTINATIONS THAT WILL BRING PEOPLE TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, WE HAVE 7, 790 5,000 OUT OF MARKET VISITS ANNUALLY TO NATIONAL CITY. THE AVERAGE DAYS IN MARKET ARE 1.7, AND THE MEDIAN DAILY SPENT TIME SPENT IN THE MARKET IS 63 MINUTES. SO PEOPLE ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT JUST DRIVING THROUGH, THEY'RE STOPPING DOING SOME SHOPPING, VISITING, UM, ENJOYING THE COMMUNITY. THOSE ARE ALL REAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT, THAT WE CAN USE, UM, NOT ONLY IN OUR, IN OUR BUDGETING AND DECISION MAKING AS FAR AS BRINGING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, AND AMENITIES TO THE COMMUNITY. BUT WHEN WE GO OUT TO BUSINESSES, WE CAN SHARE THIS INFORMATION AND EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT LOCATING A BUSINESS IN THIS COMMUNITY MIGHT MEAN TO THEM. WE ALSO HAVE THREATS, CALIFORNIA STATE LEVEL STRUCTURAL DEFICIT LIMITS, [01:55:01] UH, THE LIKELIHOOD OF NEW, NEW STATE AID TO CITIES. SO WE CAN'T REALLY COUNT ON THERE BEING, UH, HELP FROM THE STATE. NOVEMBER, 2026, STATEWIDE BALLOT INITIATIVE, UH, WOULD RAISE THE VOTER APPROVAL THRESHOLD FOR LOCAL REVENUE MEASURES FROM A SIMPLE MAJORITY TO A THIRD TWO THIRDS MAJORITY, AND COULD RE RETROACTIVELY UNWIND EXISTING VOTER APPROVED PROPERTY RELATED RELATED TAXES. FORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE PROPERTY RELATED, UM, TAXES THAT THAT COULD BE UNWOUND BY THIS, UH, UH, BALLOT INITIATIVE, BUT IT COULD IMPACT OUR ABILITY IN THE FUTURE, UH, TO, UM, TO HAVE VOTER APPROVED MEASURES PASS. UH, NOW THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO ALL MEASURES. THIS, THIS WOULD APPLY TO, UM, UH, DEDICATED TYPE REVENUES OR, OR SPECIAL REVENUES THAT ARE FOR A VERY SPECIFIC PURPOSE, NOT A GENERAL, UM, GENERAL PURPOSE. UM, OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZED BUSINESS, UH, COMMUNITY OPPOSITION TO THE BUSINESS LICENSE TAX REFORM FROM THE SAN DIEGO REGIONAL CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, SOUTH COUNTY RENTAL HOUSING ASSOCIATION, AS WELL AS LOCAL BUSINESSES. SO WE, WE REALLY HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO NOW. UM, UH, MEETING WITH THOSE BUSINESSES, WORKING ON COMPROMISES, UM, SOLUTIONS THAT WORK BOTH FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND, AND THE, THE CITY. UH, THERE'S A CON CONTINUING SOFTENING OF BRICK AND MORTAR STORES, UH, RETAIL, UH, THAT'S GOING TO, UH, CONTINUE TO REDUCE, UH, SALES TAX NATIONALLY. AND THEN OF COURSE, A RISING CALPERS COSTS AND GENERAL LIABILITY INSURANCE PREMIUMS, WHICH IN SOME PART ARE OUTSIDE THE CONTROL OF THE CITY. UH, THERE IS LEGISLATION, UM, BEING CONSIDERED. I KNOW IT'S DOWN TO THE FINAL DAYS. I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT'S GONNA LAND. UM, BUT THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY LIMIT SOME OF THE, UM, AWARDS, UH, IN TORT LIABILITY CASES. THEN LOOKING AT STRATEGIC GOALS, UM, WE WANNA ELIMINATE THE STRUCTURAL GENERAL FUND DEFICIT WITHIN THREE FISCAL YEARS WITHOUT DEPLETING RESERVES. BELOW POLICY MINIMUMS, WE WANNA DIVERSIFY GENERAL FUND REVENUE. SO NO SINGLE SOURCE EXCEEDS ONE THIRD OF UNRESTRICTED REVENUE. BY FISCAL YEAR 2031, REBUILD OUR RESERVES TO AT LEAST THE COUNCIL'S TARGET, PLUS A GENUINE CONTINGENCY CUSHION REVERSING THE CURRENT DOWN DOWN DRAW TREND. ADVANCING THE NATIONAL CITY BALANCE PLAN, UH, WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT TO CONVERT UNDERUTILIZED TIDE. TIDE LANDS INTO RECURRING GROWING HOTEL TAX AND LEASE REV, UM, LEASE REVENUE STREAM WANNA MODERNIZE, UH, REVENUE ADMINISTRATION, OUR BUSINESS LICENSE, LICENSE TAX, SHORT-TERM RENTAL TAXATION FEE SCHEDULES. SO REVENUE KEEPS PACE WITH ACTUAL ECONOMIC ACTIVITY IN THE CITY. AND THEN PROTECTING CORE SERVICES, PUBLIC SAFETY, LIBRARIES, PARKS AND RECREATION, UH, THROUGHOUT THE BALANCING PROCESS. AS FAR AS USE OF RESERVES GO, GENERAL FUND UNASSIGNED RESERVES WITHOUT INTERVENTION WILL BE DEPLETED IN 2028. HOWEVER, I DO THINK IT'S PRUDENT TO TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THE RESTRICTED REVENUES TO DETERMINE IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO LEGALLY AND PRUDENTLY RE USE RESTRICTED REVENUES TO HELP BRIDGE THE GAP DURING THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS WHILE WORKING TO GROW REVENUES THROUGH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS LICENSE, TAX REFORM, AND OTHER ALTERNATIVES. AT THE SAME TIME, WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO REDUCE AND MANAGE COSTS THROUGH RIGHT SIZING, STREAMLINING CONTRACT MANAGEMENT AND OTHER ALTERNATIVES. NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES, WE'LL TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THIS APPROACH. SO, REVENUE ENHANCEMENT STRATEGIES. TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THESE, UH, MANY TIMES, UH, IMPLEMENTATION OF PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT, BUSINESS LICENSING TAX REFORM, THE, THE NATIONAL CITY BALANCE PLAN, A MORE ROBUST AND D DIVERSIFIED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY, PRIORITIZING OUTREACH FOR BIG BOX COMMERCIAL. WE HAVE VERY LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT. UM, SO WE WANT TO BE VERY STRATEGIC AND PRIORITIZE THAT SO WE GET THE, THE BEST POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT FOR THOSE REMAINING LARGE PARCELS IN, IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, PROPOSITION D, DISTRICT TAX GROWTH, UM, YOU KNOW, BRINGING MORE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, MORE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES. UH, FRANCHISE FEE REVIEW. WE WANNA LOOK AT, UM, THE FRANCHISE FEES WE, WE [02:00:01] CHARGE FOR ELECTRIC GAS WASTE, UM, HAULING. AND THEN A COUPLE ITEMS THAT I KNOW THE COUNCIL IS, IS INTERESTED IN, IN TALKING ABOUT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE HERE, UH, THE CANNABIS BUSINESS TAX AND LICENSING EXPANSION, UM, WILL WANNA WEIGH WHETHER OR NOT BY EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF LICENSES OR EXPANDING WHERE CANNABIS DISPENSARIES ARE ALLOWED, IF IT WILL ACTUALLY HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON REVENUE GENERATION, UM, WITHOUT BRINGING NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THE COMMUNITY. A FEE STUDY, COST RECOVERY UPDATE FOR PERMITS, RECREATION DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AND THEN GRANT CAPTURE EXP VENDOR MA EXPENDITURE MANAGEMENT AND COST CONTAINMENT. SO POSITION CONTROL, THIS INCLUDES FREEZING NON-PUBLIC SAFETY VACANT POSITIONS, UH, PENDING COMPLETION OF THE BALANCE PLAN, CONSISTENT WITH MEASURES THE CITY'S ALREADY CON CONTEMPLATED IN OUR PRIOR PROJECT. UH, PROJECTED DEFICIT. UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE FROZEN EIGHT PUBLIC SAFETY POSITIONS. UM, THOSE POSITIONS WERE INTENDED WHEN THE BUDGET WAS ADOPTED BACK IN JUNE. THE PLAN WAS TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS MID-YEAR. BUT GIVEN THE, THE FINANCIAL, UH, CONDITION WE'RE IN, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE FROZEN THOSE POSITIONS UNTIL WE, WE CAN CORRECT THE STRUCTURAL, UM, DEFICIT AND, AND HAVE DEDICATED FUNDING TO SUPPORT THOSE POSITIONS. WE'VE ALSO, UH, FROZEN A COUPLE OTHER POSITIONS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION THAT ARE NON-PUBLIC SAFETY. WE NEED TO SLOW THE PACE OF FUTURE COST OF LIVING, UH, EQUITY ADJUSTMENTS UNTIL STRUCTURAL BALANCE IS RESTORED. A NEW HIRE MORATORIUM ONLY ADDING NEW POSITIONS THAT ARE REVENUE GENERATING, COST SAVING, NON-GENERAL FUND OR SAFETY CRITICAL PENSION COST MANAGEMENT, CONTINUE LEVERAGING THE 2021 PENSION OBLIGATION BONDS, UM, AND THE PENSION RESERVE TRUST FUND INSURANCE AND RISK MANAGEMENT. WE WANT TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT IT MAKES SENSE TO PURSUE A FORMAL RISK POOL OR JPA, UM, OBVIOUSLY IMPLEMENTING SAFETY TRAINING, UM, INVESTING IN THAT TO REDUCE CLAIMS, OR AT LEAST PROVIDE, UM, OUR, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL WITH, UM, BETTER DEFENSE FOR THE CITY TO SHOW THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING TRAINING AND, AND, UH, DOCUMENTING THAT TRAINING. INTERNAL SERVICE AND OVERHEAD REVIEW, AUDITING THE FLEET, IT, UH, FACILITIES, INTERNAL SERVICE FUND ALLOCATIONS FOR ONE TIME VERSUS RECURRING COST. UM, DRIVERS CONVERT ONETIME COST TO ONETIME FUNDING. UH, WE CAN DO THIS BY SHIFTING SHORT TERM OR PROJECT BASED COSTS OFF THE ONGOING PERSONNEL AND OPERATIONS BASE AND FUND THEM FROM ONETIME SOURCES. THESE WOULD BE GRANTS, UM, SUCCESSOR AGENCY, UH, DISTRIBUTIONS, UM, AND THE LIKE. OBVIOUSLY THIS HAS, HAS TO BE DONE, UM, WHERE LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE. AND THEN, UH, WE ARE GOING TO BE INCORPORATING, UH, QUARTERLY BUDGET TO ACTUAL REPORTING THAT WILL START IN OCTOBER. UM, WE'LL MOVE FROM AN ANNUAL TO THE QUARTERLY, UH, REVIEW CADENCE. SO ADJUSTMENTS HAPPEN BEFORE DEFICITS COMPOUND IN OCTOBER. WE'LL ALSO BE PROVIDING A COMPREHENSIVE, UH, REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO CLARIFY FUND BALANCES, RESERVES, INVESTMENTS, AND DETAILS ABOUT INVESTMENT POLICIES, RESERVE POLICIES AND ALTERNATIVES. UH, THE CITY COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER. UM, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF POLICIES. UM, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW ALL OF THEM. I KNOW HEIDI HAS, HAS, UH, BEEN REVIEWING, UH, POLICIES SINCE SHE'S BEEN HERE. UM, I WILL SAY WE DO HAVE POLICIES THAT ARE OUTDATED AND NEED TO BE UPDATED. UM, AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE'LL BE UNDERTAKING IN THE FUTURE, TO, TO MAKE SURE OUR POLICIES ARE NOT ONLY REFLECTING BEST PRACTICE, BEST PRACTICES FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UH, BUT WE'RE KEEPING 'EM UPDATED AND LOOKING AT A, THE MULTI-YEAR PATH, UH, TO BALANCE. SO AS I MENTIONED, THROUGH NEW POSITION FREEZES, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION REDUCTIONS, CONSOLIDATION OF FINANCE AND HR INTO AN ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, UH, DEPARTMENT, THE, UH, AMBULANCE TRANSPORT SERVICES. UM, WE, WE'VE [02:05:01] IDENTIFIED APPROXIMATELY $3 MILLION IN COST SAVINGS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027. POTENTIAL CUTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2028 COULD RESULT IN JUST UNDER $8 MILLION IN SAVINGS. BUT WHAT OBVIOUSLY REQUIRE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SERVICE LEVELS, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, LABOR GROUP, UM, AND, AND THE MOUS, AND THEN OF COURSE, ORGANIZATIONAL IMPACTS. ANY QUESTIONS? AND SO FAR, THANK YOU. ACTUALLY, I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH, THERE'S QUESTIONS AND I, I KNOW I BROUGHT A, I BROUGHT THIS UP DURING A BRIEFING, BUT SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, CITY MANAGER, UM, YOU, YOU MENTIONED, UH, LOOKING AT WAYS TO TAP SOME OF OUR, UM, UH, RESTRICTED RESERVE LEVELS COMBINED. OUR RESERVE LEVELS ARE, UM, EIGHT 80 TO 85 MILLION. WAS THAT CORRECT? UH, THAT WAS AS OF MARCH. UM, WE JUST GOT A REPORT TODAY, I BELIEVE. UM, AND WE'VE SEEN GROWTH IN OUR, UH, RESERVE LEVELS. OKAY. INVESTMENT LEVELS, RIGHT? SO, SO THE RESERVES ARE PUT IN INVESTMENT ACCOUNTS, WHICH SUMMED UP ARE AROUND 80 TO 85 MILLION, WHICH IS ROUGHLY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF OUR RESERVE BALANCE. UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF OUR, UM, OPERATE OUR YEARLY OPERATING EXPENDITURES, OUR YEARLY BUDGET. GENERAL FUND, YES. GENERAL FUND. YEAH. UM, AND JUST TO, TO, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED WAS HOW DO WE TAP INTO SOME OF THOSE, UH, RESTRICTED, UH, FUND AMOUNTS? UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO, UH, HAVE ACCESS TO SOME OF THE, UH, MONEY THAT IS GENERATED THROUGH, UM, UH, FIELDS, UH, UH, THAT HAPPEN EVERY YEAR OR EVERY OTHER YEAR? THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT STAFF IS CURRENTLY, UM, ENGAGED IN. AND WE'LL BE BRINGING, BRINGING TO THE COUNCIL. OKAY. SECOND MEETING IN OCTOBER. SO WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO THERE BEFORE I CAN GIVE YOU A A D. OKAY. THANK YOU. I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, BUT VERY MUCH LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION. THANKS. OKAY. THINK NEXT ONE WAS DOWN HERE. THANK YOU. CITY MANAGER. UM, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT. UM, I'M PROCESSING A LOT OF THE INFORMATION YOU JUST SHARED, BUT I JUST WAS LOOKING FOR MORE DETAIL, AND I KNOW, UM, IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO ASK YOU FOR THAT DETAIL NOW, BUT I'LL POINT OUT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. UM, I WAS INTERESTED IN QUANTIFYING WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT FROM THE, UM, BAY MARINA PARCELS THAT WILL BE EVENTUALLY HOTELS, RIGHT? IF THERE'S A NUMBER THAT WE CAN LOOK AT CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE CAN QUANTIFY IT IN OUR HEAD, WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT. UM, I KNOW WE'RE AT THE VERY EARLY STAGES OF RELEASING AN RFP FOR DEVELOPMENT ON THOSE SITES. UM, WHEN WOULD WE BE ABLE TO EXPECT, YOU KNOW, GROUNDBREAKING AND HOTELS BEING BUILT, AND THEN WHEN WILL THAT REVENUE START TO FLOW, AND HOW MUCH WILL THAT REVENUE BE? IF THERE'S A WAY TO, UM, ILLUSTRATE THAT A LITTLE BIT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. UM, I, I'M ALSO, I LIKED YOUR IDEA ON THE SLIDE ABOUT, UH, SWOT ANALYSIS OPPORTUNITIES LOCATING A BUSINESS IN THIS COMMUNITY. UM, IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN A BIG BUSINESS THAT CAN PROVIDE NOT ONLY JOBS, BUT ALSO GENERATE SALES TAX, FURTHER SALES TAX, WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY MEAN? WHAT IS YOUR IDEA FOR, YOU KNOW, DRAWING A BUSINESS HERE? UH, A, UH, PUBLIC SPEAK, OR NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER, BUT A MEMBER OF MY COMMUNITY DID MENTION, UM, WHAT ABOUT ATTRACTING A LARGE MANUFACTURING COMPANY? UM, AND I DON'T HAVE AN IDEA MYSELF RIGHT NOW, UH, BUT WHAT ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE IT'S EVEN MORE OF A, A GENERATOR BECAUSE THEN WE'RE MANUFACTURING SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN THEN GENERATE EVEN MORE POSSIBILITY OF JOBS, YOU KNOW, FOLKS THAT WORK AND, AND MAKE THINGS, AND THEN THESE THINGS ARE SOLD AND, AND THAT DRAWS REVENUE TO THE CITY. THOSE ARE IDEAS. UM, AND THEN JUST BRIEFLY, I DIDN'T SEE, UM, MAYBE A LITTLE NITPICKY I'M BEING, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE MCAS, RIGHT? THAT'S ANOTHER PARDON. THE M NOT THE MCAS, THE, UM, UM, THE PORT MA THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MSA, YEAH, THE PORT MSA, SO LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS. UM, I, I KNOW THAT THERE'S STILL A LOT MORE WORK LEFT TO BE DONE, BUT THOSE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN COUNT ON THE, UM, STALLED CARMAX PROJECT. WHEN [02:10:01] CAN WE EXPECT THAT, YOU KNOW, REVENUES FROM THAT. SO, SO I WAS LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A NUMBERS, UM, ILLUSTRATION JUST SO THAT WE CAN START TRULY VISIONING TOWARDS IT AND WORKING TOWARDS IT. SO THAT'S SORT OF MISSING FROM THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN, BUT, UM, I UNDERSTAND MAYBE THIS IS AT A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGHER LEVEL. NEXT DISCUSSIONS WOULD INCLUDE THOSE QUESTIONS AND HOPEFULLY SOME OF THAT, UM, SOME OF THOSE POINTS. YES, ABSOLUTELY. UM, SO THE BAY OF MARINA PARCELS, UM, YEAH, IT'S VERY EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS. UM, YOU KNOW, SOME AFTER WE GET THE, THE RESPONSES FROM, FROM THE RFP AND, AND RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE, WE'RE INVOLVED IN TWO PHASES. FIRST IS THE RFQ PROCESS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR QUALIFICATIONS, AND THEN WE'LL ROLL INTO AN RFP PROCESS AFTER THAT, UH, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS. UM, THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'LL BE DOING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS, WE WILL WANT TO HAVE A CURRENT APPRAISAL DONE SO THAT WE'LL KNOW, WELL, WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY? IF WE SELL IT AT A MARKET RATE, WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IF WE LEASE IT LONG TERM, UH, MARKET RATE, UM, WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF A HOTEL WE, WE COULD EXPECT, HOW MANY ROOMS THAT MIGHT BE. THAT'LL ALL BE FACTORS TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE CAN ESTIMATE FOR REVENUE GENERATION. I GET IT, I GET IT. BUT WE DO HAVE A HOTEL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. MAYBE WE CAN EXTRAPOLATE SOME OF THAT DATA. YEAH. WE, TO START, YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN KIND OF GIVE A BALLPARK OF, OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE MIGHT EXPECT. SURE. AND ALSO THE IDEA ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF BIG BUSINESS CAN WE ATTRACT TO NATIONAL CITY, UM, PERHAPS A MANUFACTURING BUSINESS. AND IF I GET MORE DETAILS AROUND THAT IDEA, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY, GREAT. YEAH, SO THANK YOU DOUG, FOR THIS, UH, BEING SO PROACTIVE AND FOR THIS, UH, REPORT YOUR ANALYSIS. AND I APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN TO OUR CITY WITH FRESH EYES AND FROM, FROM THAT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. SO, SO THANK YOU. UM, JUST KIND OF SOME EARLY THOUGHTS ON, ON YOUR REPORT, UM, AND SOME OF YOUR CONCLUSIONS ON, YOU KNOW, HOW WE GOT TO THE DEFICIT. UH, ONE OF YOUR, UM, YOUR POINTS, RECENT COMPENSATION AND STAFFING INCREASES WERE APPROVED WITHOUT A MATCHED IDENTIFIED OFFSET. SO I THINK THAT'S ACCURATE. I THINK THAT WE ALL COLLECTIVELY THAT THAT IS A DECISION THAT WE MADE TO APPROVE THOSE COMPENSATION INCREASES WITHOUT AN OFFSET. I KNOW THE CITY MANAGEMENT AT THE TIME STATED THAT WE WERE GOING TO FIND MORE REVENUE AND WE ARE GOING TO GET EFFICIENCIES, BUT THAT PART DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO I THINK THAT'S A LESSON LEARNED FOR ALL OF US THAT IN, IN THE FUTURE, THAT WE HAVE TO FIND THOSE OFFSETS OR EITHER IDENTIFY THOSE CUTS OR GET THOSE REVENUES RIGHT THERE. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALL COLLECTIVELY, HOPEFULLY AGREED TO, UH, MOVING FORWARD. UM, THE SALES TAX GROWTH IS STAGNANT. UM, IT, THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT APPEARS AND I AGREE WITH THAT. SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN IDEAS TO, TO GROW THAT. UM, I THINK YOUR STRATEGIC GOALS THERE FROM A HIGH LEVEL, UM, OUR A SO A SOLID AS A START, UM, THE EXPENDITURE MANAGEMENT COST CONTAINMENT SECTION, I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY DECENT. UM, AND STARTING OFF WITH THE PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING, UH, I DO AGREE WITH, UH, UH, VICE MAYOR MOLINA THAT IT WAS MISSING, UM, SOME DETAILS STILL FOR ME. SO, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, GIVING YOU TIME, YOU JUST, YOU JUST GOT HERE PRETTY RECENTLY, SO, UH, I WANT TO GIVE TIME TO FLUSH OUT THE DETAILS. BUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS I DO WANNA IDENTIFY, UM, HERE THAT I THINK IS MISSING SOME OF THE GAPS. UH, I SEE, UM, THE NUMBERS, UH, IN THIS REPORT I THINK ARE DATED. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST ISSUES I SEE. UM, I MENTIONED SOME OF THE LACK OF, OF DETAILED ON THE PROPOSALS AND, UH, ULTIMATELY I, I, I FEEL WHAT'S MISSING THE MOST IS SOME OF THE REALITY ABOUT OUR PERSONNEL COSTS. THAT'S BY FAR THE BIGGEST INCREASE. SO WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO IN TERMS OF EMPLOYEE EFFICIENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY, INTERNAL CONTROLS, UH, PERFORMANCE, UH, AND I THINK THE PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING MIGHT BE SOME WAY TO ADDRESS THAT. BUT I STILL FEEL, I'VE IDENTIFIED THIS BEFORE, I STILL FEEL THAT, UM, A LOT OF OUR EMPLOYER ORGANIZATION CULTURE, THE, UM, ACCOUNTABILITY PART, SOME OF THAT IS EVEN, UM, THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IN THIS MEETING, LAWSUITS, UM, AND THINGS THAT ARISE THAT WE'VE HAD TO PAY FOR THAT INCREASE OUR, OUR LIABILITY. SO I, I THINK, UH, THAT, THAT STILL, UM, OVERALL IS, UH, MISSING AND NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. AND I KNOW THOSE ARE UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS 'CAUSE THEY INVOLVE PERSONNEL AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LEGAL COMPONENTS TO THAT. BUT I, I DO WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THAT ADDRESSED. [02:15:01] UM, SO THOSE WERE KIND OF THE THREE THINGS I I, I SAW MISSING, BUT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THAT AND EXPAND. UM, IN THE REPORT, WE, UH, IN YOUR, UH, POWERPOINT, UH, YOU USE THE, UH, FY 25 FOR FY 25, WE USE UNAUDITED. UM, IT, WHY DO WE USE THE UNAUDITED? UM, I, I THOUGHT BY NOW THAT WE DO HAVE THE FY 25, THE AUDITED NUMBERS, SO CAN YOU, UH, EXPAND ON THAT? WE STILL DO NOT HAVE THE FY 25 AUDITED NUMBERS. SO WHEN WILL WE GET THE FY 25 AUDITED NUMBERS? RACHEL HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE AUDITOR TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. I ASK HER TO RESPOND TO THAT. UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL IN PUBLIC, UH, THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS. WE DID RECEIVE A DRAFT OF OUR FUND FINANCIALS SO THAT WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE FINAL DRAFT, UH, THAT SHOULD BE COMPLETED AT THE END OF THE MONTH. UM, I WILL BE PROVIDING, UM, DOUG, WITH THE STATUS OF THAT AS WE MOVE ALONG THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO WHEN, SO AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER IS WHEN WE SHOULD EXPECT THE AUDITED FY 25 NUMBERS? THAT IS CORRECT. AND IN REGARD TO THAT, I AM INTENDING TO BRING THAT TO COUNCIL AND I'LL BE PLACING IT ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA FOR PRESENTATION. UH, OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, RACHEL. AND SO THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. MOVE FORWARD THOUGH, DOUG. IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND WE SHOULD NOT ACCEPT IN THIS ORGANIZATION FOR, FOR US TO GO SO LONG WITH, UM, WITH UNAUDITED NUMBERS. SO I'M NOT POINTING THE FINGER AT ANYONE IN PARTICULAR. UM, BUT WE, WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE AUDITED NUMBERS AND THIS THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW THAT WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, HAD LATE AUDITED, UH, NU NUMBERS. SO THAT WAS, UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS. AND SIMILAR TO THAT, UM, WE ARE USING, UH, OR IN YOUR POWERPOINT, THE F FY 26 ADOPTED BUDGET INSTEAD OF THE Q1 Q3 ACTUALS, Q1, Q2, Q3, UH, FY 26 ACTUALS WITH THE Q4 PROJECTION OR, UM, ADOPTED BUDGET, WHICH IS WHAT WE DID IN THE FORMATION OF THE FFY 27 PROPOSED BUDGET. SO, UM, WHY AREN'T WE, WHY DID WE GO BACK TO USING FY 26 ADOPTED BUDGET NUMBERS, WHICH IS NOT THE MOST UP-TO-DATE FIGURES THAT WE HAVE? YEAH, SO THE WAY REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES WORK FOR A CITY AREN'T, AREN'T LIKE YOUR, YOUR BUSINESS OR YOUR PERSONAL FINANCES MIGHT WORK WHERE EVERY MONTH YOU CAN COUNT ON A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF INCOME AND EVERY MONTH YOU HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DOLLAR AMOUNT OF EXPENSES WITHIN A CITY. WE GET SPIKES WHEN WE HAVE PROPERTY TAX PAYMENTS COME IN GENERALLY TWO TIMES A YEAR. UM, SO BLENDING ACTUALS WITH BUDGETED, YOU DON'T GET, YOU DON'T GET ANY BETTER RESULTS THAN IF YOU JUST SAY, HERE'S OUR BUDGETED NUMBERS AND, AND USE THAT AS A COMPARISON. UM, OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE, WHEN WE HAVE OUR, UH, FISCAL YEAR CLOSEOUT AND, AND WE HAVE ACTUALS THAT WE CAN REPORT, THOSE ARE THE BEST NUMBERS. BUT UNTIL WE GET THAT, THERE'S, THERE'S TOO MUCH CHANGE, UH, DURING A QUARTER AND FROM QUARTER TO QUARTER TO BLEND. SO I GET THAT THE SPIKES, I AGREE THAT THERE'S SPIKES, UM, BUT I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE ALL OF US AND, AND, AND INCLUDING YOU, CITY MANAGER. UM, SO THE ACTUALS FROM Q1, Q2 AND Q3 ARE BETTER THAN THE ADOPTED BUDGET, BECAUSE THOSE ARE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE THE CONFIRMATION FOR. AND WE DO HAVE THOSE FIGURES. SO I THINK THOSE SHOULD, SHOULD BE USED. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT BETTER. AND HERE'S WHY. WHEN WE CLOSE OUT A YEAR, AND WHEN WE CLOSE OUT A QUARTER, AS YOU MOVE FORWARD TO THAT NEXT QUARTER, YOU HAVE PRIOR QUARTER ADJUSTMENTS, AND YOU HAVE YEAR END ADJUSTMENTS. SO THAT CAN, THAT CAN ADJUST EVERY QUARTER, EVERY MONTH, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT, ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU PASS A CERTAIN QUARTER, THOSE NUMBERS AREN'T LOCKED DOWN. RIGHT. THEY'RE SUBJECT TO CHANGE. SO NUMBERS THAT AREN'T SUBJECT TO CHANGE ARE YOUR ADOPTED BUDGET NUMBERS. SO THIS IS TRUE, DOUG, BUT I'M STILL GOING TO PUSH BACK BECAUSE THE Q4 I, I THINK THAT THERE'S A WAY, AND I'D BE INTERESTED IN, UH, HEARING, UH, AND MAYBE NOT THIS MEETING, BUT FROM STAFF AT A FOLLOW-UP DATE. SO THOSE Q4 NUMBERS, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE COMPARISON, UH, FROM THE PRIOR YEARS SO THAT YOU CAN ANTICIPATE, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE JUMPS IN, UM, RECEIPTS OF PROPERTY TAX REVENUE AND SOME OTHER REVENUES, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST ANTICIPATE FOR THOSE, THOSE JUMPS. UM, AND, UH, AND COMPARE IT FROM THE PRIOR [02:20:01] YEARS AND COMPARE IT TO THIS CURRENT Q4. AND, UH, WITH OUR, UH, FINANCE STAFF AND THEN WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE US A, AN ACCURATE ENOUGH PROJECTION. IT'S NOT, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I THINK IT'S BETTER THAN JUST THE ADOPTED, BECAUSE THE ADOPTED OVERALL, THAT'S, THAT'S, WE'RE USING A PROJECTION. SO THESE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE COMPARING BY, THESE WERE NUMBERS THAT WERE DEVELOPED BACK IN 2025. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY POINT I THINK, FOR COMPARISON, IS THAT JUST THE MOST, UH, UP-TO-DATE FIGURES, I THINK IS, UH, BEST FOR THAT, UH, COMPARISON AND, AND USING THE ACTUALS BECAUSE, UH, A LOT OF THE TIMES IN THE ACTUALS WE FIND THAT OUR, UH, EMPLOYEE EXPENDITURES AREN'T AS HIGH BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HIRE OR, UM, THERE WERE, UM, VACANCIES AND, AND SO THAT'S, AND NOT NECESSARILY REFLECTED AND ADOPTED. SO THAT'S MY POINT THERE IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE, UM, THE Q1, Q3, UM, ACTUALS FOR THIS, OR MAYBE IT'S A SEPARATE COLUMN, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FOR CONSISTENCY, HAVING THE ADOPTED JUST ONE YEAR, BUT I STILL THINK THAT THOSE, UH, RECENT ACTUALS ARE, ARE, ARE HELPFUL. OKAY. YEAH. SO JUST THAT WAS MY THOUGHT ON THAT. AND THEN, UM, UH, THE, UH, ON THE, UH, IN MY, UH, LAST POINT ABOUT JUST, UM, EMPLOYEE ORGANIZATIONAL PERFORMANCE, I THINK, UH, PRIORITY BUDGET CAN HOPEFULLY, UM, UH, KIND OF ADDRESS THAT. UH, I ALSO SAW THAT, UM, YOU WERE LOOKING AT ESTABLISHING AN EMPLOYEE COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT BUDGET, AND SO GETTING EMPLOYEE FEEDBACK, SO I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON HERE, BUT I THINK THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED ON YOUR, ON YOUR SLIDESHOW, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M EXCITED ABOUT IS HEARING FROM THE EMPLOYEES, UM, KIND OF SOME OF THEIR IDEAS FOR, UH, REVENUES OR FOR EFFICIENCIES CUTS EQUIPMENT. SO I THINK THEY HAVE SOME IDEAS. SO I LIKE THAT IDEA OF A, I THINK YOU CALLED IT THE CARE COMMITTEE, RIGHT? YES. FROM, FROM YEARS AGO. SO I LIKE THAT. UM, AND GETTING THE EMPLOYEE FEEDBACK THERE. SO, UH, YEAH, SO THAT'S JUST WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EXPANDED ON MOVING FORWARD IS SOME OF THE PERSONNEL, ORGANIZATIONAL AND PERFORMANCE DETAIL, WHICH, WHICH HOPEFULLY, UH, BASED ON THIS PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING WE COULD ACHIEVE. YEAH. SO THE, AS AS FAR AS ACCOUNTABILITY OR PERFORMANCE MEASURES, UM, THAT'S KIND OF A SEPARATE PIECE, UH, THAT WE'LL DEVELOP. UM, I WOULD SAY THAT'S KIND OF, UM, THE NEXT STEP AFTER PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING, BECAUSE FIRST WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PROGRAM SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE MEASURING, HAVE TO HAVE OUR PROGRAM EFFECTIVENESS OR PROGRAMS ESTABLISHED, SO WE CAN THEN SAY, OKAY, HERE'S, HERE'S THE KEY PERFORMANCE MEASURES FOR THOSE PROGRAMS. AND THEN WE CAN START BUILDING OUT THE, UM, DASHBOARD OR, OR, UM, WHATEVER WE USE TO ACTUALLY TRACK AND REPORT PERFORMANCE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CITY MANAGER. I, I UNDERSTAND THIS HAS BEEN A COLLABORATION WITH YOUR DIRECTORS. UM, AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. I, UH, I AM, UM, LOOKING AT IT AND, AND HAVE, UM, UM, FOLLOWING YOUR REPORT, UM, YOUR PRESENTATION. I AM, I SEE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE, THE, THE ESTIMATED REVENUE DETAIL THAT YOU HAVE STATED HERE, BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE UPCOMING PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE WORKS, THAT YOU ARE SO PROACTIVE IN MAKING SURE, UM, THAT WE, UM, THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE STAGNANT OR JUST DIDN'T MOVE, ARE MOVING RIGHT NOW. AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT WILL CREATE A REVENUE FOR, FOR OUR CITY. I ALSO LIKE HOW YOU ARE VERY DETAILED IN EXPENDITURE. I'M, I'M SURE THAT THAT WILL, THAT WILL EVEN GO THROUGH A MORE FILTERED, UM, EYES WITH YOUR, UM, WITH YOUR, UH, TEAM. UM, SO I'M, I'M EXCITED WITH HOW YOU ARE DILIGENTLY AND PRUDENTLY WITH THOUGHTFULNESS, TAKING CARE OF, OF THE FINANCIAL POSITION OF OUR CITY. AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU HAVE STATED HERE. UM, I THINK THE NUMBERS WILL COME, UM, AS SOON AS, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU AGAIN LOOK INTO THE, THE STRATEGIC, UH, PLAN THAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE. AND, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, LOOKING AT THAT MORE AND, UM, HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH JOHN, HOW, UM, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE JUST SITTING THERE AND IT DIDN'T MOVE. BUT NOW WITH YOUR LEADERSHIP, IT'S MOVING AS FAST AS WE CAN AND GIVING, UM, PERMITS AND, AND, UH, AND, UM, AND, UM, DEVELOPMENT, UM, UM, [02:25:02] YOU KNOW, PERMITS TO THOSE, UM, TO THOSE PROJECTS. UM, I LOOK AT THE, UH, I LOOK AT YOUR, UH, PERSONNEL, UH, I I BELIEVE, YES. UM, WE, WE ARE HIGH ON THAT EXPENDITURES, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU'RE LOOKING INTO HOW WE CAN, UM, MITIGATE, UM, THAT BY, BY FILTERING THROUGH EVERY DEPARTMENT AND LOOKING AT THOSE THINGS THAT YOU SAID YOU ARE GOING TO REVIEW, UM, YOUR, UH, HANDS ON AND, AND DILIGENT EYES ON NEW HIRES, UM, IF THEY'RE NEEDED OR IF THIS HIRES ARE, UM, REVENUE GENERATING POSITIONS. UM, I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY AND, UM, OUR PUBLIC WORKS. I UNDERSTAND THIS OR WHAT SERVICES OUR PEOPLE ARE NEEDING. AND I'M, I'M, I ONLY, I ALSO KNOW THAT YOU ARE SENSITIVE IN THOSE AREAS AND, UM, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE TAKING IT TO HEART. UM, I AM, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE REVENUE GENERATING THAT WE, THAT YOU HAVE, THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING HERE, UM, IN THE NEXT 36 MONTHS AND THE, UH, UH, PRIORITY BASE, UM, UM, BUDGETING THAT WE ARE GONNA LOOK INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, MEAN WE ARE, WE ARE GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS CITY MANAGER. UM, I AM, UM, SURE ABOUT THAT. THE NUMBERS WILL COME AND YOU NOMINATES A PROJECTED DEFICIT IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. WE WILL SEE HOW WE CAN TIGHTEN OUR BELTS AND MAKE SURE, AND YOU ARE THE DRIVER OF THIS, AND WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT YOU MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE, UM, POLICY MAKERS OF THIS CITY. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, COUPLE OF THINGS. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE RESTRICTED RESERVES YES. QUESTION. AND, AND YOU THINK THE, OUR CURRENT STATE OF RE RESTRICTED RESERVES ARE HEALTHY? YES. OKAY. BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE RESERVES THAT ARE EVEN POSSIBLE TO BE USED IN SOME CONTINGENCY IN GENERAL FUND? I CAN'T EVEN AN ANSWER THAT AT THIS POINT. YEAH. I, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL BE LOOKING AT VERY CLOSELY TO SEE IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES. UM, AND AS I STATED, THEY HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE LAW, RIGHT? IT HAS TO BE WITH WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT COVERAGES WE NEED FOR OUR BONDS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO, UM, WE'LL BE TAKING A REALLY CLOSE LOOK AT THAT AND COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS THAT, UH, THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER. OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT RESERVES AND THEN WE'RE COMPARING IT TO THE GENERAL FUND, RIGHT. AND THEY'RE NOT THE SAME THING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT CAN BE VERY, UM, CAN BE RE VERY REASSURING, BUT IT CAN LEAD US INTO, INTO SOME, UH, UH, FALSE TRAPS ALSO. WELL, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND, AND WE'LL, WE'LL BE STATING THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN AS, AS WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, UM, WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A PATTERN OF USING RESTRICTED RESERVES. ABSOLUTELY. THAT THIS IS A SHORT TERM BRIDGE TO GET US TO A POSITION WHERE WHATEVER PART OF THOSE WE WE COULD EVEN LEGALLY USE ANYWAY, YOU'RE SAYING? YES. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. NOT AN ONGOING SOLUTION. OKAY. UM, COUPLE OTHER THINGS. IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT SOME OF THE, UH, THE IDEAS OF REVENUE GENERATION HERE, AND, YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE EXPECT FROM, SHALL WE SAY THE, THE TWO HOTEL SITES, WHICH WE FINALLY GOT THROUGH COASTAL COMMISSION HERE JUST RECENTLY. UM, THEY'RE ACROSS THE MARINA GATEWAY PLAZA HOTEL. UM, YOU KNOW, AND SO IF WE CAN, WE CAN GET OUT RF, QS, AND RFPS AND THEN GO THROUGH CONTRACT AND THEN THROUGH ALL THE STUFF THAT GOES ON THERE, PROBABLY TALKING A GOOD THREE YEARS, MINIMAL, VERY MINIMAL. AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A FAST TRACK. YEAH. UM, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN WITH THE REST OF THE BALANCE PLAN, WE FINALLY GOT, GOT THROUGH COASTAL ON THAT. AND NOW THROUGH THE, THE PORT THE PORT'S JUST RELEASED $15 MILLION OF GRANT MONEY TO DO THE VERY FIRST PHASE OF THAT. AND THEY'VE JUST PUT THAT OUT FOR CONTRACTS. THOSE CONTRACTS HOPEFULLY ARE GONNA BE AWARDED IN DECEMBER. AND, BUT THOSE ARE JUST FOR REALIGNMENT OF THE STREET AND THE TRACK AND PUTTING IN THE ELECTRICAL UTILITIES AND EVERYTHING TO, TO DO DEVELOPMENT LATER. RIGHT. WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOT EVEN STARTED THINKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT. AND THEY, THEY'LL, THAT PROBABLY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE COMPLETED UNTIL SOMETIME IN CALENDAR YEAR 28. CORRECT. [02:30:01] AND SO I'M SAYING IT TO SAY THIS, WE CAN DO TWO DIFFERENT THINGS WITH SPENDING AND WITH RAISING REVENUES. WE CAN VOTE LIKE TONIGHT TO DO SOME SPENDING, AND WE CAN SPEND IT ALL TOMORROW. WE CAN VOTE TO RAISE THE REVENUES, TAKE CARE OF IT, BUT IT MAY TAKE YEARS OR DECADES TO GET THAT REVENUE TO MATCH IT. AND THAT'S, THAT IS THE OTHER PROBLEM. AND EVEN SO, IT MAY NOT BE CERTAIN 'CAUSE THINGS CHANGE AND, UH, LAWS CHANGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THINGS THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD DO, YOU CAN'T DO ANYMORE. UM, SO IT'S, IT, THERE'S AN EXTREME BALANCING ACT IN, IN TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN THOUGH WE MATCH OUR, UH, OUR SPENDING WITH REVENUES, IT ACTUALLY HAS TO BE THE REVENUES. IT'S NOT ANTICIPATED REVENUES. RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANTICIPATED SPENDING. IT'S GONNA BE SPENDING NOW AND THEN ANTICIPATE SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE THERE'LL BE REVENUES. AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S IN PART WHY YOU DON'T SEE, UH, REVENUE ESTIMATES FOR THE BAY CITY MAR OR BAY BAY MARINA PARCELS, THE BALANCE PLAN PARCELS. UM, WE COULD, WE COULD PUT NUMBERS TOGETHER, BUT IT MAY NOT EVEN HAPPEN. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING MIGHT GO WRONG WITH THE DEVELOPER MIGHT DECIDE, NO, I'M, I'M OUT, I'M NOT GONNA DO IT. AND IT COULD BE FIVE MORE YEARS, 10 MORE YEARS BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN. AND WE GOTTA BE REALLY CAUTIOUS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE PROJECTED REVENUES FROM A POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE NOT BANKING ON THAT AND IDENTIFYING EXPENDITURES THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT MONEY FOR WHEN IT COMES IN. 'CAUSE IT MAY NOT COME IN, OR IT MAY BE MUCH LESS THAN WE EXPECTED. I I CAN REMEMBER IN 2004, HEARING THE NUMBERS ON HOW MUCH REVENUE THAT WE WERE GONNA START RECEIVING OFF THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUTBACK. HOPEFULLY WE CAN BREAK GROUND THIS YEAR, 20 SOME ODD YEARS LATER ON A PROJECT THERE. YEAH. AND, BUT THEY WERE ALREADY WANTING TO COUNT THAT MONEY INTO THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. YEAH. . AND, UH, SO IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, SO THOSE, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE STAYING IN REALITIES AND LEGALITIES AND APPLES AND ORANGE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DOING APPLES AND ORANGES, ESPECIALLY WITH DIFFERENT POTS OF MONEY AND WHAT, WHAT CAN BE DONE AND WHAT CAN'T BE. I, I THINK THAT WHAT, WHAT HAS BEEN LAID OUT HERE IS, IS A GOOD, WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN. AND IT'S GOOD THAT, YOU KNOW, AFTER SO MUCH TURMOIL, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, UH, YOU KNOW, AND HAVING PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, REALLY GOOD PEOPLE AND REALLY NICE PEOPLE, BUT KNOWING THEY'RE ONLY GONNA BE THERE FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME AND CAN'T MAKE THOSE LONG TERM DECISIONS AND REALLY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, COMMIT, UM, THAT WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY NOW. AND, UH, AND SO I I I, I APPRECIATE THE WELL THOUGHT OUT PRESENTATION AND THAT GIVES YOU BOTH SOME OF THE, THE HAVE GIVES SOME HOPES, BUT ALSO SOME PITFALLS AND ALSO, UH, WARNINGS. UH, YOU KNOW, AND SO BALANCES ALL OF THAT OUT. UM, AND, AND AS WE LOOK AT, AND WE WANT TO CONCENTRATE ON THE, OF COURSE, ON THE, THE REVENUES, POSSIBLE REVENUES, THAT ALWAYS, THAT'S A GREAT PART TO DEAL ON. BUT PART OF THE DEAL IS WITH THE RIGHT SIZING AND WITH WITH CUTS, ACTUALLY SEE WHAT, WHAT WE GOTTA DO WITH OUR BUDGETS FOR THE SIMPLE REASON LOCAL GOVERNMENT'S CHANGING. I DEAL WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT PEOPLE ALL OVER THE STATE AND ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. EVERYONE'S GOING THROUGH SOME PHASE OF THIS OR THE OTHER, BUT IT'S MUCH LIKE OUR FAMILIES. IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO. FAMILIES WERE A ONE INCOME FAMILY. ONE PERSON DID IT, AND IT WAS ALL GOOD. NOW THAT JUST DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE. FAMILY, FAMILY ECONOMICS AND STRUCTURE HAS CHANGED. GOVERNMENT HAS TOO, BUT WE'RE SLOWER TO ADAPT THAN, UH, THAN WE ARE WITH OUR OWN MONEY. SO ANYWAY, UH, SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I, I, I APPRECIATE THIS PRESENTATION. WE'RE JUST GONNA NEED TO CONTINUE WITH IT AND HOPEFULLY CONTINUE WITH THESE TIMELINES AS FAR AS BRINGING STUFF BACK TO US. AND, 'CAUSE I, IN THE PAST WE'VE HEARD ABOUT SOME GOOD THINGS AND WE'RE GONNA GET TO IT IN THE FUTURE. NEXT YEAR WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, AND IT'S KIND OF A ANA TYPE OF THING. YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN SOME SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. JUST STICK WITH THESE THINGS SO THAT WE CAN STAY ON TOP OF THIS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. ALRIGHT? UH, MAYOR, WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. WE DO. OKAY. WE DO, UH, EDWARD NIETO, FOLLOWED BY ALICIA MORRISON, FOLLOWED BY DOLE MORRISON. OKAY, [02:35:01] THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. UH, THEY LAID IT OUT ALL THE FACTS, BUT YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS HAVE TO MAKE SOME SORT OF COMMENT. DOUG COMMENT I WOULD MAKE RIGHT NOW WOULD BE, I WOULD'VE WISHED I WOULD'VE COME OUT TO BE MORE OF A PROJECT MANAGEMENT TYPE OF, UM, LAYOUT WHERE YOU HAVE TIMELINES, ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND MILESTONES. BUT I THINK WHAT DOUG DIDN'T SAY, IT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK. YOUR FOCUS HAS TO BE ALL ON THE, SO FISCAL SOLVENCY PROBLEM, NO OTHER PROJECTS. THAT'S HOW DRASTIC WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT USING PEOPLE'S TIME HERE, EVERYBODY'S TIME HERE. THE FOCUS AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF NOT ORGANIZING THIS IN THE RIGHT MANNER AND EXECUTING THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER TOO. WE COULD GO IN A SOLVENCY PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, I'M FINALLY GLAD YOU'RE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE OVEREXTENDED OURSELVES, YOU KNOW, THAT WE ARE NOT, UH, AND THIS TALK ABOUT, UM, RESTRICTED, BUT, UH, RESTRICTED RESERVES. GET IT OFF THE TABLE. FOCUS. THAT'S WHAT GOT YOU IN TROUBLE, TROUBLE IN THE FIRST PLACE. YOU OVEREXTENDED YOURSELF IN OBLIGATIONS YOU COULDN'T MEET. ANYWAY, LET ME GET BACK TO WHAT I WANT TO SAY, UM, , OKAY? WHAT I DON'T LIKE TO IS I SEE YOU PULLING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. THE COUNCIL HAS TO PULL ALL IN THE SAME DIRECTION. I SEE, UH, DISCUSSIONS GOING ON ABOUT, UM, EXTENDING THIS BUSINESS. LICENSING TAX. THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER. YOU START, YOU GOTTA START PLANNING TO WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING NOW, FOCUS AND STOP CAMPAIGNING. WHAT MORE CAN I SAY? OKAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. ALICIA MORRISON, FOLLOWED BY DOLE MORRISON. GOOD EVENING. SO WITH THE APPROVAL OF TONIGHT'S CONSENT, ITEM 8.1, THIS ITEM 10.2, THE IMPLEMENTATION ROADMAP DOES NOT INCLUDE THE MOTION BROUGHT BY COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH FOR THE SPECIAL 2027 ELECTION. AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MO OR VICE MAYOR MOLINA. I DO NOT SEE ANYTHING ON THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 ROADMAP ABOUT BUDGETING FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION. UM, SO ANY CONSULTATION WITH THE NATIONAL CITY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE ON BUSINESS LICENSE TAX REFORM MEASURE FOR 2027 SPECIAL ELECTION, UM, GOOGLE ESTIMATES, THAT'S GONNA COST $1.2 MILLION. SO HOW MUCH IS THIS GONNA A SPECIAL ELECTION GONNA COST? IS THAT BEING FACTORED IN TO THE BUSINESS AND FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN? UM, HE HAD MENTIONED STUFF HAPPENS AND IT DOES. WE HAVE A SUPER EL NINO COMING. IS THAT GONNA BE FACTORED IN? I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THERE. UM, WITH THAT ALSO, UM, YOU SAY CONSUMERS VISITING BY AND THEN STUFF, WE'RE ON A FIXED INCOME. SO I SHOP AROUND SOMETHING THAT I COULD BUY AT BEST BUY. I'M GOING DOWN TO MISSION VALLEY WHERE I'M PAYING 7.75% SALES TAX AND NOT 8.75%. SO NOT EVERY CONSUMER WHO, NOT EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN OR AROUND NATIONAL CITY BUYS IN NATIONAL CITY, THEY'RE GONNA SHOP FOR THE BEST VALUE. SO, UM, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. UM, 1.2 MILLION FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN AFFORD? THANK YOU. DOLE MORRISON, FOLLOWED BY JACOB CASTON, FOLLOWED BY MCKAYLA POLANCO. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. CITY MANAGER. UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, I'VE WATCHED AND LISTENED TO ED NIETO TELL YOU HOW YOU GUYS ARE BEEN HAVING EXPENDITURES THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A REVENUE SOURCE FROM. AND IT WAS NOT UNTIL DOUG, MR. SHO, SORRY, UM, CITY MANAGER SHOWED UP AND HAD THIS PRESENTATION THAT YOU GUYS ACKNOWLEDGED IT. AND I THINK ED HAD ALSO MENTIONED THAT AS AS WELL. UM, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE JUST MENTIONED THE SUPER EL NINO THAT'S COME IN, AND I GUESS I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE ANY REVENUE, UM, IF YOU, IF IT, IF THAT IS OUT OF YOUR RESTRICTED RESERVES THAT YOU WOULD PAY FOR ANY EXPENDITURES [02:40:02] ASSOCIATED WITH UNEXPECTED, UM, EVENTS FROM THE SUPER EL NINO. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE ALARMED IF, IF WE'RE HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF REVENUE FOR ANY EMERGENCY, UH, OPERATIONS WE HAD, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE HAD SOME, SOME DAMAGE FROM FLOODING AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE PRESENT AGAIN, UM, UH, IDENTIFYING NEGATIVE IMPACT FROM LITIGATION, UM, INSURANCE PREMIUM INCREASES, UM, AS A PERCENTAGE OF MILLION DOLLARS OF SETTLEMENTS. I KNOW I HEARD THAT YOU GUYS SAID THAT THE INSURANCE PAYS FOR, I THINK, UH, THE MAYOR SAID INSURANCE PAYS FOR THAT, BUT THOSE PREMIUMS WILL GO UP WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO THAT. SO I GUESS I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE'S AN OUTSTANDING UNRESOLVED ASHLEY CUMMINS $10 MILLION PLUS, UH, LAWSUIT. SO THAT'S GONNA BE ON THERE. AND THEN THE JFC CLAIM AGAINST THE CITY CURRENTLY, UH, OR AT LEAST EXPECTED. SO, UM, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ALL ARE GOING TO BE, THAT WASN'T IN THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT AS WELL. SO PLEASE CONSIDER EVERYTHING JACOB CASTON FOLLOWED BY MCKAYLA POLANCO, JACOB CASTON. UH, HOPE EVERYONE'S HAVING A GOOD NIGHT SO FAR, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, MR. SCHULTZ. UM, I JUST REALLY WANNA BRING ATTENTION TO, UH, WHAT'S CAUGHT MY EYE WAS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 150 ACRES OF THE TIDELAND PUBLIC TIDELAND. AND I WOULD LIKE TO JUST KIND OF BRING ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY CAN GO HAND IN HAND WHEN ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PUT ON Y'ALL'S RADAR OF ENSURING THAT WHENEVER DEVELOPMENT DOES OCCUR ON THAT AREA, DOING OUR BEST TO ENSURE TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE, THE PARADISE MARSH THAT IS RIGHT THERE, BECAUSE THERE'S VERY LITTLE WE HAVE LEFT OF OUR, THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT THAT NATIONAL CITY WAS BUILT UPON, AND I'D LIKE TO JUST STRESS THAT AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT. SO THANK YOU MCKAYLA POLANCO. HI AGAIN. UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, PRESENTATION. UH, MR. SCHULTZ, I THINK IT WAS VERY, UM, DETAILED AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AS ANY CEO OF A COMPANY, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING TO DECREASE COSTS AND INCREASE REVENUE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN IN THIS LAST TWO YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN COMING HERE IS THE INEFFICIENCIES AND THE UNEFFECTIVENESS THAT A LOT OF THESE DEPARTMENTS HAVE. FOR EXAMPLE, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WASTED HUNDREDS OF HOURS WITH THIS HEALTH NUISANCE PROJECT. WHERE DID ALL THAT MONEY GO? WHAT DID WE GET IN RETURN FOR IT? WHAT VALUE DID THE CITY GET IN RETURN FOR IT? LOOK HOW ALL THE LAWSUITS THAT IT CREATED AND ALL THE HAVOC THAT IT'S CREATED FOR ALL OF YOU, JUST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T TAKE THE TIME TO SAY, SLOW DOWN. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. MAYBE THERE'S TOO MANY CONDITIONS ON THESE THINGS. SLOW IT DOWN. WE GOTTA LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND WE CAN'T BE REPEATING THE SAME PATTERN OVER AND OVER AND OVER. IF YOU ARE TRULY, TRULY WANTING TO BE A GOOD LEADER, YOU HAVE TO LET THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY DO THEIR JOBS. AND IF YOU'RE UNSURE, ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY AND TAKE THEIR ADVICE. DON'T JUST MAKE YOUR OWN ASSUMPTIONS. IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY YOU MINIMIZE RISK BY DOING THAT. I THINK THAT IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, COMING HERE, I, UM, NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS DID I THINK THAT I WAS GONNA BE COMING FOR THIS LONG. BUT I DO CARE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND I DO CARE ABOUT OUR CITIZENS THAT LIVE HERE, AND I DO CARE ABOUT THIS CITY BEING SUCCESSFUL. SO I WILL BE COMING HERE AS LONG AS I POSSIBLY CAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT AND ONE WRITTEN COMMENT WAS RECEIVED FROM TED SHAW. OKAY. GOT TO SEE THAT ONE. ALRIGHT. UM, SO WITH THAT, OKAY, SORRY. THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, JUST WANTED TO, UM, MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, GENERAL FUND AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. UM, WE HAVE, UM, OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, LIKE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. WE HAVE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN A RESERVE BUDGET FOR THAT. UM, I HAD SPOKEN WITH OUR CITY MANAGER AND OUR, UM, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, UM, STEVE MANGANELLO WITH REGARDS TO, UM, YOU, I MEAN THE EL NINO, UM, EFFECT BECAUSE THAT, THAT ITEM HAS BEEN IN THE PAPERS LAST WEEK AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEM. AND WE ARE, [02:45:01] UM, WITH THE USE OF OUR, UM, WITH OUR, UM, RESERVE FUND ON OUR SEWER AND OUR, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UM, FUNDING IN OUR PROJECTS. WE HAVE THOSE, THOSE ARE NOT IN OUR GENERAL FUND. UM, OUR SEWERS ARE, ARE VERY MUCH, UM, UPDATED AND, UM, CHECKED, UM, WITH REGARDS TO PUBLIC WORKS, MAKING SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE ARE READY FOR, UM, FOR THE EL NINO THAT, UM, THAT IS COMING AS THEY SAID, UM, WITH REGARDS TO RESTRICTED FUNDS, UM, THOSE ARE GONNA BE, UM, DILIGENTLY LOOKED AT, SEE WHAT, UM, WHAT LAWS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW AND WHAT RESTRICTIONS WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY. AND SO WE ARE NOT HERE JUST, UH, WILLY-NILLY, UM, MAKING THOSE, UH, DECISIONS, BUT WE DO MAKE, UH, PRUDENT DECISION ON WHAT WE HAVE TO, TO, UM, DIRECT OUR STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SERVICES CONTINUE. PUBLIC SAFETY IS THERE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT OUR, UH, EMPLOYEES ARE, ARE ALSO PROPERLY, UM, COMPENSATED, UM, BASED ON WHAT STATE LAWS ARE. UH, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN ARE MANDATING US TO DO SO. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT OUR CITY MANAGER AND THE DIRECTORS ARE LOOKING VERY, VERY MUCH, UM, UM, MUCH SO THAT THEY ALSO HAVE TO, UM, EDUCATE US AND, UM, PRESENT ALL THIS TO US SO THEN WE CAN ALSO MAKE PRUDENT DECISIONS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SOMETHING ELSE? WE, WE HAVE, UH, MOTION? YES, WE DO. WE WOULD NEED TO PRESENTATION. WE NEED TO APPROVE THE, UH, THE PLAN. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLAN AS DESCRIBED BY CITY MANAGER SCHULTZ. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION, UH, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD SECOND THAT WITH THE COMMENT, PLEASE. OKAY. I BELIEVE THAT OUR CITY MANAGER HAVE LISTENED AND HEARD ALL OUR COMMENTS HERE AND, UM, THAT WOULD BE, UM, INCLUDED IN MY, IN MY SECOND THANK YOU MAYOR. RIGHT. OKAY. WITH THAT I'M SEEING ANY OTHER COMMENTS PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALRIGHT, NEXT WE GO ON, HUH? NO, I JUST GRABBED, I GRABBED THE WRONG SHEET AND THAT ONE'S IN SPANISH, SO THAT ONE'S NOT GONNA DO ME A WHOLE LOT TOGETHER HERE. ONE MOMENT. UM, SO NOW WE GO ON TO ITEM [10.3 Amendment to Tyler Technologies, Inc. Agreement to Add Priority Based Budgeting Saas.] YES, INTO, UH, 10.3. AND THAT ONE IS AMENDMENT TO THE TYLER TECHNOLOGY INCORPORATED AGREEMENT TO ADD PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING SAUCE INTO. SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN THAT OVER TO CITY MAYOR. I'LL TAKE THAT ONE AS WELL, MR. MAYOR? I THINK SO. UM, SO WE ARE ASKING THE COUNCIL TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, UH, ENTITLED RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY CALIFORNIA AUTHORIZED THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AN AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT WITH TYLER TECHNOLOGIES INCORPORATED, ADDING PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE TO VE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THE COUNCIL REQUESTED, UM, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. UH, WE HAVE PROVIDED A WHITE PAPER. IN ADDITION, THE COUNCIL RECEIVED, UH, UM, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THE INTERNAL, UM, DOCUMENT, UH, GENERATED, UM, BY OUR BUDGET MANAGER. UM, REALLY JUST BULLET POINTS, UM, TO SUMMARIZE, UM, THE, THE PRIOR BASED BUDGETING, UH, SOFTWARE, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, WHITE PAPER YOU RECEIVED IS QUITE DETAILED AS LENGTHY READ. UM, BUT I BELIEVE IT ANSWERS ALMOST ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL HAD AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, WITH MAYBE A COUPLE EXCEPTIONS. UH, BUT I THINK I ANSWERED THOSE IN, UH, ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS, UH, THAT WE HAD DURING THE PAST WEEK. SO WITH THAT, UM, JASON FRANK AND, UM, AND CHRIS FABIAN ARE JOINING US VIA ZOOM. I DON'T IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AND THAT I CAN'T ANSWER. THEY'RE, THEY'RE HERE TO, UH, HELP ANSWER. WE ALSO HAVE A BUDGET MANAGER HERE THAT, UM, THAT AND, AND OUR ACTING FINANCE DIRECTOR THAT CAN WEIGH IN AND, AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, MAYOR, UM, I BELIEVE I HAD A VERY ROBUST, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M IN CONVERSATION WITH OUR CITY MANAGER WITH REGARDS TO, UM, THIS, UM, PROPOSAL THAT HE IS, UM, COMING FORTH BEFORE [02:50:01] US. UM, I THINK, I BELIEVE HE HAD ANSWERED ALL, ALL MY QUESTIONS AS WELL AS THE LEGALITY QUESTIONS THAT OUR, UM, COUNCIL WAS THERE. UM, I LIKE TO SUPPORT, UM, THIS, UM, PROPOSAL FROM OUR CITY MANAGER IN ORDER FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THE PRESENTATION THAT SHE, THAT HE JUST, UH, PRESENTED TO US. I BELIEVE THIS IS A TOOL THAT HE WOULD NEED, UM, AND, UM, YOU, I MEAN TO YOU, I MEAN, TO MAKE, TO, TO MAKE THOSE PROPOSALS COME TO FRUITION. UM, SO I WOULD SUPPORT THIS. MR. MAYOR. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANYONE? I HAVE A COMMENT. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU MR. SCHULTZ FOR MEETING WITH ME. I KNOW WE MET ON A FRIDAY AND YOU SPENT A GOOD PORTION OF YOUR TIME EXPLAINING, UM, DIFFERENTLY THAN THE SALES PRESENTATION THAT WE GOT TWO WEEKS AGO. UM, SO I, I DO FEEL BETTER ABOUT PRIORITY BASED BUDGETING. UM, THAT PRESENTATION LEFT A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR ME, AND I KNOW THAT I SHARED THOSE QUESTIONS WITH YOU. UM, YOU SAY THAT A LOT OF THAT IS ADDRESSED IN THE WHITE PAPER, AND I'M NOT SO SURE. I ACTUALLY GOT FAR MORE FROM YOU WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS. AND, UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU SPENT WITH ME. UM, I WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE INPUT THAT THIS TOOL, RIGHT? SO THIS IS AN AI TOOL. I, UM, EXPRESSED VERY CLEARLY THAT WE NEED TO HAVE, UH, CONFIDENCE IN THE DATA THAT WE ARE GOING TO FEED INTO THIS AI TOOL. UM, I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT I AM A LITTLE BIT MORE SATISFIED, UM, HAVING HEARD FROM A FEW, UH, MEMBERS FROM STAFF, AND THEN OF COURSE THE IDEAS THAT YOU PRESENTED TO ME, DOUG, I THINK THAT IS HELPFUL IN, FOR ME AT LEAST, BETTER UNDERSTANDING WHAT TO EXPECT FROM THIS AI TOOL. RIGHT? UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S PHASES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, PROBABLY NEAR THE END IS WHERE THE PHASE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, KPIS, UH, KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS COMES IN. UM, THE PRIMARY P UH, PIECE THAT WE WERE GONNA BE LOOKING AT, OR AT LEAST USING THIS TOOL FOR, FOR THE VERY FIRST YEAR, IS, UH, TRULY UNDERSTANDING THE DATA THAT WILL BE GENERATED THAT WILL HELP US MAKE THE DIFFICULT DECISIONS WE HAVE TO MAKE. RIGHT? SO I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO DATA THAT IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT DRIVES ME, RIGHT? UM, MAKING DIFFICULT DECISIONS WITHOUT DATA IS FOOLISH. SO WHEN I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THIS AI TOOL WILL PRODUCE THAT DATA, I AM, IT IS JUST MY HOPE, YOU KNOW, THAT IT IS, UM, SOLID DATA, RIGHT? IT IS DATA VALIDATED BY PEOPLE'S BRAINS, RIGHT? AND, AND PEOPLE NOT JUST DEPENDING ON A AI TOOL THAT THINKS IS DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY, , RIGHT? WE NEED TO SPEND THAT PEOPLE POWER INVALIDATING THE DATA SO THAT IT IS USEFUL FOR US. UM, SO I HAVE GREATER CONFIDENCE NOW THAN I DID TWO WEEKS AGO. I DO APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION THAT IS PRESENTED TO US. UM, BUT AGAIN, THE CONVERSATION WAS A WHOLE LOT MORE HELPFUL, SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT, DOUG. THANK YOU. THE CHAIR. I'LL JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES, AND I'VE, I'VE HEARD ESPECIALLY ON, ON SOCIAL MEDIA, UH, SOME STUFF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, JUST WHY CAN'T STAFF JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THIS? AND WHY CAN'T THEY GO OUT AND GET INFORMATION? UM, A LOT OF TIMES WE WILL HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION OR SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC, SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE, AND WE'LL ASK 'EM, WHY DON'T YOU CHECK AROUND THE OTHER CITIES IN THE COUNTY HERE AND FIND OUT ABOUT SOMETHING? YOU KNOW, HOW MANY, UH, SAY HOW MANY CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THEY HAVE? VERY SIMPLE QUESTION. IT DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF VARIANCE. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT PROGRAM YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE. YOU GOTTA PULL TEETH TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT OF JUST A FEW ENTITIES. AND SO ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY HAVE SOMETHING THIS, SO THIS ISN'T GIVING YOU A PROGRAM, THIS IS GIVING YOU INFORMATION WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT PERMUTATION. 'CAUSE THEY'LL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THEY HAVE PER THOUSAND PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, ARE THEY PART-TIME? ARE THEY PART, YOU KNOW, IT'LL GIVE YOU EV ALL THIS STUFF TOGETHER. AND, AND IT GIVES YOU TONS AND TONS OF INFORMATION AND IT DOESN'T TAKE FOREVER AND IN AND IN ALL THE CATEGORIES AND IN ALL AREAS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AND INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BASICALLY BE TAKING OUR STAFF TIME AND TAKING YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS TO TRY TO GET THAT KIND OF INFORMATION. AND EVEN THEN, YOU'RE CONSTANTLY GONNA BE BEHIND THE CURVE. 'CAUSE BY THE TIME YOU STARTED IT AND YOU STOPPED IT, IT'S ENTIRELY DIFFERENT INFORMATION NOW AND YOU GOTTA START ALL OVER AGAIN. UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALMOST SIMULTANEOUS, INSTANTANEOUS, ALMOST. I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, YOU JUST PUSH A BUTTON AND EVERYTHING HAPPENS RIGHT AWAY, [02:55:01] BUT IT IS IN A MATTER OF A, A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. YOU CAN HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION TO, AS I WAS SAYING A WHILE AGO, WE WERE ASKING FOR SPECIFICITY IN SOME OF THESE AREAS AND PROGRAMS AND HOW WITHOUT HAVING THAT KIND OF INFORMATION AT YOUR FINGERTIPS, YOU CAN'T HAVE EVEN A VAGUENESS OF SPECIFICITY. UM, SO THIS IS NOT PROGRAMMING, IT'S NOT TELLING YOU WHAT YOU GOTTA DO IT, IT'S GIVING YOU THE INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN USE, YOU KNOW, OUR DECISIONS, STAFF DECISIONS, DECISION MAKING TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO AND HOW WE WANT TO GET THERE BASED ON, YOU KNOW, EMPIRICAL INFORMATION THAT'S BEING BROUGHT TO US FROM ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, REALLY RIGHT NOW, I AM NOT REAL THRILLED ABOUT SPENDING EXTRA MONEY FOR ANYTHING. BUT SOMETIMES YOU GOT, YOU DO NEED SOME WORTHWHILE TOOLS. AND I CAN SAY FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS, IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU A WHOLE LOT LONGER TO GET THE JOB DONE AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE DONE HERE AS WELL. AND SO THE SAME THING HERE. THIS IS A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX THAT CAN HELP US GET TO IT, GET TO THAT POINT JUST A WHOLE LOT QUICKER, AND HOPEFULLY A WHOLE LOT MORE EFFICIENTLY AND INTELLIGENTLY THROUGH THE CHAIR. UH, I THINK THIS WOULD BE JUST LIKE YOU SAID, A TOOL THAT WILL HELP OUR CITY MANAGER LOOK INTO ALL THOSE ANTIQUATED POLICIES THAT WE HAVEN'T. ALSO ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, 47 YEARS OF, OF, OF A BUSINESS PERMIT THAT HASN'T BEEN, UM, UM, REVISITED. SO THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN SOMETHING THAT, UM, ALL OUR DIRECTORS CAN, CAN, UM, PROVIDE THIS, UH, MODULE THE INFORMATION SO THEN WE CAN, WE CAN GET THE, THE CORRECT INFORMATION, UM, THAT WE HAVE OVERLOOKED FROM THEM. THANK YOU. OKAY. COULD, COULD WE, UH, UH, BRING UP, UH, ANY, ANY SPEAKERS WE HAVE? SURE. JOANNE FIELDS, FOLLOWED BY THOMAS WRIGHT, FOLLOWED BY JACOB OL. HELLO. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FEEDBACK SOUNDS POSITIVE. THE CONCERNS I HAVE WITH THE PROPOSAL THOUGH IS THAT IF THIS WAS NOT A BID FOR OTHER COMPANIES TO PROVIDE INFORMATION, UM, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE WAS A-R-F-P-R-F-Q FOR THIS, THAT IT WAS ALREADY CHOSEN. SO THAT FOR WHAT I, FROM WHAT I KNOW, I COULD BE WRONG, UM, IT IS A BIG PRICE TAG, UM, ATTACHED TO THIS. SO THAT IS, UH, ANOTHER CONCERN. BUT LIKE YOU SAID, MAYOR, HAVING THE RIGHT TOOLS, IT WILL SAVE, UM, TIME AND MONEY TO GET THINGS DONE. I KNOW THAT ZZA IS A LOCAL COMPANY THAT DOES SOMETHING, UH, SIMILAR AND I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A PROCESS TO BID FOR, UM, THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM. AND ZZA IS LOCAL VERSUS A PACIFIC NORTHWEST COMPANY. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT'S WHERE THIS COMPANY, TYLER, UM, IS TYLER IS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT A LOCAL COMPANY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO, TO BID HAD IT BEEN PUBLIC. SO, UM, THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANK YOU. IF, IF I COULD, JOANNE MM-HMM . UH, YEAH, IT IS, THIS IS SOLE SOURCED AND THE REASON IS THERE IS NO OTHER COMPANY THAT HAS A PROGRAM THAT IS SET UP FOR MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT LIKE THIS. THIS IS, THIS IS UNIQUE. YES. I, I HEARD A SIMILAR, UM, PRESENTATION, UH, WITH ZZA IN THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO AND, UH, FOR SMART CITIES. AND IT TALKED ABOUT ANALYZING AND MOVING PROGRAMS, UM, LIKE BUSINESS LICENSES AND, UM, PERMITS SO THAT IT COULD MOVE FASTER USING, UM, TECHNOLOGY. THERE ARE SEVERAL LIKE THAT THAT WILL ZERO IN ON SPECIFIC THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT DEALING WITH GOVERNANCE AS A WHOLE, THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT ANYONE'S AWARE ABOUT THERE. OKAY. I LEARNED SOMETHING. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. JOANNE THOMAS RE FOLLOWED BY JACOB CAOL. UH, BY, HELLO. JUST BY LOOKING AT THESE, THE AGREEMENT, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE PAYING $125,000 A YEAR TO TYLER. YOU'RE PAYING, YOU'RE . YEAH, THERE, THERE'S AN INITIAL PAYMENT OF 14,000 AND THEN IT'S $80,000, $80,000 A YEAR FOR THREE YEARS. OKAY. YEAH. BUT YOU'RE PAYING, YOU'RE PAYING 125,000 TO 'EM IN ANOTHER CONTRACT IN 1924. THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. YES. 24. WELL, WELL, OKAY. WELL, $80,000 A YEAR FOR [03:00:02] $80,000 EACH A YEAR FOR AI, AI COMPUTER STAND. THAT'S ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. JACOB CASTON, FOLLOWED BY ED NIETO, FOLLOWED BY MCKAYLA POLANCO. I'M BACK, AND MY FIRST QUESTION REALLY IS JUST WONDERING HOW THIS CHAT CHOP OUT WAS TRAINED. SO I READ A LITTLE BIT OF THE WHITE PAPERS AND IT DIDN'T REALLY EXPAND TOO MUCH ON IT, AND I REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT ARE THE WAYS IT'S BEEN TRAINED? WHAT ARE THE PATTERNS IT'S BEEN TAUGHT TO RECOGNIZE? IT'S TAUGHT TO RECOGNIZE NEW PATTERNS, TO JUST FOCUS ON OLD PATTERNS THAT HAVE BEEN PICKED UP THROUGH WHATEVER RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE. AND I BELIEVE IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE WAY A CHATBOT IS TRAINED GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IT, WHAT BIASES THAT THIS BOT MIGHT HAVE AND THAT THE PEOPLE PROGRAMMING IT MAY HAVE AS WELL. SO I THOUGHT I JUST PUT THAT ALL ON YOUR RADAR, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NIETO, FOLLOWED BY MIKAYLA POLANCO. UH, YOU KNOW, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS, UH, BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO A BIG RISK. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF RISK IN, IN, UH, RELYING IN A SOFTWARE THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT. AND WE'RE TAKING DOUG'S WORD FOR IT. YOU KNOW, I GOTTA TELL YOU, IT'S THE CONSEQUENCES OF NOT DOING IT ON TIME IS, IS, IS, IS, IS, IS, IS HIGHER. BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS THING ABOUT TRUST BUT VERIFY. I WOULD'VE LIKED TO SEEN AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS WORKS, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. UM, I'M ALSO, I HAD A FIVE MINUTE CONVERSATION WITH DOUG OUTSIDE, AND I'M MORE INTERESTED IN KNOWING, YOU KNOW, THE MUNI SYSTEM, HOW THE SYSTEM WE HAVE IN IN PLACE RIGHT NOW HAS A PROJECT MA MODULE. THE GRANULAR INFORMATION THAT'S GONNA BE USED IN YOUR AI PROGRAM IS GONNA BUILD UP UPON THAT. AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE PROJECT INFORMATION'S NOT BEING, UM, APPLIED TO ALL YOUR GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS. SO I'M WONDERING HOW IS AI GONNA BE ABLE TO EXTRACT AND ANALYZE INFORMATION THAT'S NOT EVEN IN THE SYSTEM. DOUG HAD AN EXPLANATION. I THINK THAT WOULD BE USEFUL BECAUSE, UM, THAT SORT OF TELLS YOU ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF HOW, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT PHASES. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GONNA TURN ON AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S GONNA HAVE A, A SOLUTION. THERE'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT PHASES AND MAYBE YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT US IN THE, IN THE AUDIENCE, WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THOSE THINGS. SO I THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPANSION AND EXPLANATION WOULD BE HELPFUL. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK IS THAT I THINK YOU CAN PREPARE YOURSELF BY STARTING TO HAVING POLICIES THAT REQUIRE THINGS LIKE MAYBE ALL YOUR EMPLOYEES SHOULD HAVE BE REPORTING ON A PROJECT BASIS, AND YOU CAN START LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN START DOING RIGHT NOW, SO YOU CAN GET THEM STARTING TO THINK AS YOU IMPLEMENT THE SYSTEM. I, I WANT YOU TO BE PROACTIVE ABOUT THIS. OKAY, MCKAYLA POLANCO, I HEARD THE WHOLE ENTIRE, UH, PRESENTATION THAT WAS DONE THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, AND I PAID VERY CLOSE ATTENTION, UH, TO IT. I DO THINK THAT IF IT WILL BRING, UH, MORE EFFECTIVENESS AND EFFICIENCY TO THE CITY, UH, AND IT WILL HELP THE CITY DETECT OPPORTUNITIES AND ALSO RISK, REDUCE RISK AND CREATE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR GRANTS, IT MAY MAKE IT'S A NO BRAINER. I MEAN, $250,000 FOR THREE YEARS, $83,333 AND 33 CENTS PER YEAR, $6,944 AND 44 CENTS PER MONTH. THAT'S A NO BRAINER IF IT'S GOING TO INCREASE MORE REVENUE AND REDUCE RISK. NOW GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT. WE GOTTA MONITOR WHO'S AND, AND WHAT INFORMATION IT'S BEEN GIVEN TO THE SYSTEM. NOW THIS SHOULD NOT IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM SUBSTITUTE THE DEPARTMENT HEAD'S OBLIGATIONS AND ALSO THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF THE EMPLOYEES. IF THE EMPLOYEES AND IF THE DEPARTMENT HEAD ARE NOT KEEPING TRACK OF WHAT'S GOING ON, THEY'RE NOT INSPECTING WHAT THEY'RE EXPECTING, GUESS WHAT? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE OF THE SAME. IT NOTHING'S GONNA CHANGE. THE ONLY THING THAT I KNOW FOR SURE IS THAT UNTIL WE CHANGE THINGS, DON'T CHANGE. SOMETHING HAS GOT TO BE DRASTICALLY CHANGED IN ORDER FOR THE CITY TO MOVE FORWARD IN A MORE, UH, SUCCESSFUL AND EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE WAY. UM, I SAY PUT SYSTEMS IN PLACE AND HOLD THOSE PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH SHENANIGANS. HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. THERE HAS TO BE CONSEQUENCES. IF THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCES, [03:05:01] THE MORALES GO, GOES DOWN IN ANY ORGANIZATION, WHETHER IT'S AT HOME OR ANY BUSINESS. AND THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENED. THE MORALE IS DOWN. WHY? BECAUSE EVERYBODY GETS AWAY WITH EVERYTHING. IT'S SESAME STREET AROUND HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THANK YOU MAYOR. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, AND, UH, WHAT, ALRIGHT, WE DO HAVE, UM, YOU HAVE ON THIS ONE. UM, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MOVE TO ADAPT, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. YES. UH, YES. IF WE CAN, UM, CITY MANAGER, WHAT IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME SO WE CAN, UH, COME BACK WITH AN UPDATE ON THIS, UH, TECHNOLOGY. IS IT THREE MONTHS? OH, NO. WE'LL, WE'LL BE BACK BEFORE THAT. UM, ACTUALLY I'LL, I'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, WITH CHRIS FABIAN FROM, UM, TYLER TECHNOLOGIES, UH, IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS HERE. AND WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A TIMEFRAME PUT TOGETHER. UM, IT'S GOING TO, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO EXECUTE THE CONTRACT AND GET THAT TO TYLER, MAKE THE PAYMENT, THAT TYPE OF THING. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS COULD TAKE A WHILE TO GET INFORMATION. I JUST WANNA EXPLAIN HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK. WE DO HAVE ACCURATE FINANCIAL INFORMATION IN OUR MUNI SYSTEM. WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DOWNLOAD INTO THE PRIOR, PRIOR TO BASE BUDGETING SOFTWARE THAT WILL, THE WAY THAT WILL WORK IS THE AI THAT IS USED HERE ISN'T LIKE CHAT, GTP, PERPLEXITY GEMINI, THOSE GLOBAL AIS. THIS IS A, IS IS A SMALLER POOL. UM, CLOSED AI, I GUESS IS THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT. AND THE MACHINE LEARNING WOULD, WILL LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS IN, IN OUR, UH, FINANCIAL ACCOUNTING, AND IT WILL SORT THROUGH THEM AND SAY, OH, I RECOGNIZE THIS LINE ITEM. THIS GOES TO THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM, THIS ONE GOES TO THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM. IT'LL SORT ALL THAT OUT. AND THEN WE WILL GET A LIST OF THE AI GENERATED PROGRAMS THAT EXIST WITHIN THE CITY. NOW IT'LL BECOME FINANCE'S, JOB, EACH DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR'S JOB TO SORT THROUGH THAT INVENTORY OF PROGRAMS AND TRUE IT UP. DID THE, DID THE MACHINE SORT IT INTO THE ACTUAL PROGRAMS WE REALLY HAVE OR DO WE NEED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS? UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'LL COME UP WITH SOME PROGRAMS THAT IT THINKS, THINKS, IT RECOGNIZES THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE, AND WE'LL HAVE TO ADJUST THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR INVENTORY OF PROGRAMS IS ACCURATE. THEN WE START MOVING IN INTO MORE OF THE ANALYTICAL PHASE, AND THAT'S WHERE WE START GENERATING, UH, THE SCORING, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT PROGRAMS ARE HIGH PRIORITY, WHAT PROGRAMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY. AND WE CAN START REALLY LOOKING AT WAYS TO, UM, IMPLEMENT SOME OF THE CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE TO CORRECT OUR BUDGET, UH, SITUATION. THANK, THANK YOU, DOUG. UM, AND THEN I DO APPRECIATE SINCE THE LAST MEETING, THE MORE DETAIL WAS ADDED, THE WHITE PAPER, THE CONTRACT, THE, UH, FURTHER EXPLANATION, THE POWERPOINT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS, BUT I'M WILLING TO GIVE THIS TO A CHANCE, LIKE I TOLD YOU IN OUR, UH, ONE-ON-ONE. UM, AND QUESTION FOR THE, THOSE, UM, INPUTS. SO YOU WERE DESCRIBING THE, UM, THE, THE MUNI AND ALL THE, UH, FINANCIAL REPORTING THAT WE ARE INPUTTING. SO WILL THAT INCLUDE THE ADOPTED BUDGET? IS THAT BEING, UM, UP UPLOADED, UM, BY THIS TECHNOLOGY? YEAH, SO THIS IS A BUDGETING TOOL, SO IT'S GONNA TAKE OUR BUDGET AND SORT IT INTO PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF LINE ITEMS. SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ACTUALS WILL COME AS THE ACCOUNTING PIECE. MM-HMM . THE BUDGET IS NOT THE ACTUALS. OKAY. SO, BUT THE ACTUAL, SO EVERYTHING FROM UNI, ALL THE, UH, ALL THE UPTODATE, UM, FINANCING AND ACCOUNTING INFORMATION WILL BE UPLOADED INTO THIS TOOL? CORRECT? THE BUDGET INFORMATION, YES, THE BUDGET INFORMATION, BUT EVEN THE ACCOUNTING INFORMATION THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN MUNI, SO THE ACTUALS, THE MOST UPTODATE QUARTERLY ACTUALS, WILL THOSE ALSO BE INCLUDED? NO, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE RELEVANT TO BUDGETING. THE BUDGETING TOOL. MM-HMM . WELL, I'M ASKING FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES SO WE [03:10:01] CAN MOVE LIKE, SO BECAUSE THE PROJECTION, SO THE BUDGET, OUR PROJECTIONS BASED ON OUR, OUR CURRENT OR PREVIOUS EXPENDITURES. SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHAT IS THE LATEST, UH, INFORMATION THAT WE'RE USING THE ADOPTED 2027 BUDGET? OKAY. AND THEN I WOULD ASK THAT THAT IS POSTED PUBLICLY BECAUSE WE, SO THE PUBLIC DOESN'T HAVE THAT YET, THE ADOPTED BUDGET. UM, SO WHEN, WHEN IS THAT GOING TO BE POSTED? THE ADOPTED BUDGET? YEAH, PAUL IS WORKING ON THE ACTUAL BUDGET BOOK. SO, UH, WE'LL LET HIM ANSWER THAT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, UM, UH, PAUL VALEZ, BUDGET MANAGER. I'M CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE ADOPTED BUDGET FINAL DOCUMENT. UM, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT'S, UH, ON THE WEBSITE. THE ONLY CHANGES YOU'LL RECALL WERE MADE, UH, ON THE DAIS, THE DAY OF THE ADOPTION WITH, UH, 200 SOMETHING THOUSAND REINSTATED TO THE, UH, NUTRITION CENTER. SO IT'S VIRTUALLY THE SAME. THERE'S JUST THAT $200,000 CHANGE. UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT YOU'LL SEE ONLINE NOW AND WHEN THE ADOPTED BUDGET GETS POSTED IS JUST ALL OF THE NARRATIVE, ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT DESCRIPTIONS, THEIR PERFORMANCE MEASUREMENTS THAT THEY CURRENTLY TRACK. UM, ORG CHARTS, BUDGET MESSAGE, BUDGET HIGHLIGHTS, UH, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND THAT SHOULD BE, UH, ON THE WEBSITE WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. AND YOU'LL ALSO EACH BE RECEIVING A HARD COPY. OKAY. UH, AND SO WHEN WOULD WE RECEIVE A HARD COPY? AND THEN WHEN WOULD IT BE POSTED TO THE WEBSITE? UH, AT, AT THE SAME TIME? UH, TWO, THREE WEEKS. IT DEPENDS ON, UH, WORKLOAD ALSO, UH, THE OUTCOME OF THIS MEETING AND MONTH. HOW'S THAT? OKAY. GIVE YOURSELF A LITTLE GRACE. OKAY. AND, UM, UH, HAD ONE MORE QUESTION, BUT I, I FORGOT IT RIGHT NOW. SO, UH, YOU GUYS CAN CONTINUE. I FORGOT MY QUESTION. WELL, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE HAVE. WAIT, WE, WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION SECOND ON THIS. NO, WE, OKAY. WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. OH, I REMEMBER. WILL THE FY 25 AUDITED, WILL THAT, WILL THOSE, UH, BE INCLUDED, THE FY 25 FINANCIALS? WILL THOSE BE READY? SO, UH, FOR THIS TOOL, SO , OR IS IT NOT, ARE YOU SAYING IT'S NOT RELEVANT? RELEVANT? IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT RELEVANT. OKAY. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL THAT ALL OF THAT IS IN A LINE ITEM FORMAT. WHAT WE WANNA DO IS TAKE, I'M GONNA TAKE THE 2027 ADOPTED BUDGET, AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE DOING WITH THAT INFORMATION IS BUILDING OUT THE FY 28 BUDGET. SO WHEN, WHEN THIS ALL ROLLS OUT, WHAT, WHAT WE'LL GET AT THE END, END OF THE PROCESS IS AN FY 2028 PROGRAM BASED BUDGET. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. RIGHT? ANYTHING ELSE, PLEASE VOTE. QUESTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY. ALL. OKAY, BACK HERE. WE'RE ALMOST, ALMOST TO THE END HERE. OKAY. WE GO DOWN NOW TO, UM, AS IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH [11. CITY MANAGER’S REPORT] CITY MANAGER'S REPORT, , UH, WE GOT, OKAY. WE STILL HAVE ONE, ONE ITEM LEFT HERE. IS THAT AFTER THE YES, BUT THAT, THAT COMES DOWN UNDER ELECTED OFFICIALS. OKAY. UH, JUST ONE THING I WANT TO, I WANT TO COMMENT ON. UM, YEAH, THERE'VE BEEN SEVERAL COMMENTS TONIGHT ABOUT, UM, ACCOUNTABILITY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, DIRECTORS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I, I WANT TO, UM, ABOUT 75 DAYS INTO BEING THE CITY MANAGER HERE. UM, SO I'VE GOT TO KNOW THE, THE DIRECTORS, UH, PRETTY WELL. I'VE GOT TO KNOW A LOT OF THE STAFF. UM, LAST WEEK I STARTED DOING, UH, WHAT WE'RE CALLING TEAM BRIEFINGS, UM, WHERE I'M TAKING EITHER SOME OF THE LARGER DEPARTMENTS, POLICE AND FIRE, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, EACH OF THEM IS GOING TO BE BRIEFINGS WITH EACH SQUAD. UM, SO RATHER THAN PULLING EVERYONE TOGETHER, UM, I'M MEETING WITH THEM, UM, DURING DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY WHEN THE SQUADS ARE, UH, UM, ON DUTY WITH POLICE. THERE'LL BE, UH, THERE'S ONE MEETING AT SEVEN 30 IN THE MORNING WITH ONE LINEUP, ANOTHER ONE AT NINE 15 AT NIGHT WITH ANOTHER LINEUP. SO I'M TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE [03:15:01] THE EMPLOYEES DURING THEIR WORK HOURS, UM, YOU KNOW, REDUCING OVERTIME. UH, BUT DURING THOSE BRIEFINGS, A COUPLE THINGS ARE HAPPENING. ONE, I'M GIVING A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT ME, MY LEADERSHIP PHILOSOPHIES, UM, AND THEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY PLAN, SOME OF THE BUDGET ISSUES, ANSWERING QUESTIONS, UH, THAT EMPLOYEES HAVE HAD WHILE LISTENING TO SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD, UH, DURING PUBLIC MEETINGS, WHICH BEEN PRETTY SCARY FOR SOME OF THE EMPLOYEES. SO I WANT TO RELIEVE SOME OF THAT FEAR. UM, BUT OVERALL, I, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT YOU HAVE EXTREMELY HARDWORKING PEOPLE IN THIS ORGANIZATION, VERY DEDICATED PEOPLE IN THIS ORGANIZATION. UM, I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T STATE IT ENOUGH THAT THE EMPLOYEES HERE ARE DEDICATED, THEY WORK HARD, THEY CARE ABOUT, UH, THIS ORGANIZATION. THEY CARE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY. SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELL SAID. UH, WITH THAT [12.1 Policy No. 105 Request to Add an Item to a Future Agenda.] WE GO IN THE ELECTED OFFICIALS REPORT, WE DO HAVE AN ITEM 12 ONE. THIS IS A POLICY 1 0 5 REQUEST TO ADD AN ITEM OF FUTURE AGENDA. AND THIS, UH, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE, MAYOR? I HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. HAVE ONE COMMENT ON THAT. OKAY. YES. THOMAS RE, THOMAS RE 12.1. YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON 1212. 1 12 1, I THINK HAVE THE WRONG, I THINK WE HAVE THE WRONG PIECE OF PAPER THERE. OH, OKAY. 12.10, THIS IS FOR THE, THE POLICY 1 0 5, 1 0 5 20. YES. 1 0 5. OKAY. OKAY. UH, COSMAN BUSH, WHY ARE YOU HELPING THE UNIONS? HELPING THE UNIONS? UH, THEY CAN ONLY DO THIS WITHIN ONE ON THE, ON THE MONTH OF DECEMBER. SO SOMEONE, SOMEONE COMES IN JANUARY, THEY'RE GONNA BE STUCK ALL AWAY TILL DECEMBER BEFORE THEY CAN DO ANYTHING. AND I JUST WONDERED WHO, WHO DID IT? THE IEBW OR WHATEVER IT IS, THE IBW. OKAY. LET, LET ME SEE IF WE CAN GET YOU AN ANSWER HERE FROM THE, FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY. UM, YES, THE POLICY CURRENTLY STATES THAT, UM, ANY, ANY EMPLOYEES POTENTIALLY LOOKING TO FORM, UM, A UNION, UH, OR OTHER COLLECTIVE BARGAINING ORGANIZATION, A UNION CAN DO THAT IN JANUARY, BUT THE POLICY IS IN NEED OF AN UPDATE TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE ACT. IT'S CALLED MMBA, THE MYERS MILIUS BROWN ACT, AND SOME OTHER THINGS TO MAKE IT, UM, LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE AND COMPLIANT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSED AT. IF WE, IF WE MOVE AHEAD WITH THIS, THAT WAS WHAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSED AT THE NEXT MEETING IN DETAIL AT THAT POINT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION OR, YEAH, JUST, JUST SO THE COUNSEL UNDERSTANDS, UM, THE WAY THIS POLICY WORKS, UM, THIS, AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, THIS IS A YES OR NO VOTE, NOT A DISCUSSION ON THERE. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. WE'RE NOT HAVING DISCUSSION ON IT AND IT'S JUST, UH, WHETHER WE WANNA PUT IT ON THE, ON A FUTURE AGENDA. CORRECT. AND, UH, SO WITH THAT, UH, OKAY, I, I MAKE A MOTION TO PUT IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA. OKAY. AND WE HAVE A SECOND. OKAY. MOTION AND A SECOND. UM, SEE NO OTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION TO PROVE UNANIMOUSLY. OKAY. NEXT, WE'LL START OFF WITH OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, UH, COMMENTS. I'LL START DOWN HERE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO FIRST OFF, I WANT TO THANK OUR CITY MANAGER AND STAFF FOR THE REPORT TONIGHT. IT WAS DIRECT, IT WAS HONEST, AND WE ALL NEEDED TO HEAR IT. AND SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. I AGREE WITH THE FRAMEWORK, AND I ALSO WANNA BE HONEST, I WISH WE WERE HERE TALKING ABOUT A COMMON SENSE BALLOT MEASURE. ONE THAT WOULD'VE HAD, UH, NATIONAL CITY BUSINESS LICENSE FEE UP TO DATE WITH THE REST OF OUR COUNTY, AND GIVEN US THE FLEXIBILITY TO INVEST IN OUR RESIDENTS THE WAY THAT THEY INVEST IN OUR CITY. A MEASURE THAT SIMPLY ASKS LARGE OUT OF TOWN CORPORATIONS TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE, AND THAT THAT SAME FAIR SHARE IS ALREADY PAID IN CITIES AROUND US. SO ACCORDING TO OUR OWN, UH, COMMISSION BUSINESS LICENSE FEE STUDY PREPARED BY HDL AND, UH, CONFIRMED BY THE REPORTING AT THE VOICE OF SAN DIEGO, NATIONAL CITY'S TOP 100 BUSINESSES GENERATE 57.5% OF ALL GROSS RECEIPTS IN THE CITY, BUT PAY ONLY 29.2% OF THE TOTAL BUSINESS TAX COLLECTED. LET THAT SINK IN. OUR BIGGEST [03:20:01] BUSINESSES ARE CARRYING LESS THAN HALF THEIR FAIR SHARE OF THE BURDEN. WHILE EVERYBODY ELSE, OUR RESIDENTS, OUR SMALL BUSINESSES, OUR WORKING FAMILIES MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE. AND LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT WHO'S ACTUALLY PAYING INTO THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW. 26% OF ALL BUSINESS TAX REVENUE CONNECTED IN THIS CITY COMES FROM RESIDENTIAL RENTALS AND APARTMENTS, THE SINGLE LARGEST CATEGORY OF ANY BUSINESS TYPE OF NATIONAL CITY. AND ACCORDING TO THAT SAME TAX STUDY, BIGGER THAN RETAIL, BIGGER THAN RESTAURANTS, BIGGER THAN MEDICAL OFFICES AND GENERAL SERVICES ALL COMBINED. SO OUR, OUR RESIDENTS ARE ALREADY PAYING MORE INTO THE SYSTEM THROUGH THEIR RENT THAN MOST BUSINESSES IN THIS CITY ARE PAYING, PERIOD. INSTEAD, WE'RE HERE PIERCING THIS BUDGET TOGETHER SO OUR RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE TO LOSE SERVICES THAT THEY DEPEND ON AND THRIVE ON. LIBRARY HOURS, SENIOR PROGRAMS, PARK MAINTENANCE, THE BASIC THINGS THAT WE AS A CITY ARE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE AND SERVICES THAT OUR FAMILIES ALREADY FUND EVERY DAY THROUGH SALES TAXES. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT, UH, IS ACTUALLY AT RISK. OUR SENIOR CENTER, OUR NUTRITION PROGRAMS, THE ONES THAT MAKE THE ELDERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T GO WITHOUT A MEAL EVERY DAY. OUR SENIOR CENTER WHERE THE PEOPLE WHO BUILT THE CITY GO AROUND, STAY CONNECTED, THEY LOVE THE COMMUNITY, THEY CARE FOR IT. WE GAVE THEM AN AWARD FOR IT TODAY. THESE ARE EXACTLY THE KIND OF SERVICES THAT QUICKLY GET CUT WHEN BUDGETS ARE SQUEEZED. AND THEY'RE NOT SOMETHING THIS BODY SHOULD BE GAMBLING WITH BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE THE COURAGE TO ASK OUT OF TOWN CORPORATIONS TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. WE'RE HERE BECAUSE MEMBERS OF THIS BODY DECIDED TO PLAY POLITICS OVER PEOPLE. COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH AND I WERE ELECTED THE SAME YEAR. I REMEMBER HOW HARD OUR WORKERS FOUGHT FOR HIM. THEY KNOCKED ON DOORS. THEY, THEY, THEY WENT SHIFTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THEY TRUSTED LEADERSHIP. THEY GAVE UP THEIR TIME BECAUSE THEY TRUSTED HIM, THE VERY RESIDENTS THIS TAX WOULD PROTECT WORKING FAMILIES, CITY WORKERS, THE PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP FOR THE CITY EVERY SINGLE DAY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO PUT HIM IN THIS SEAT. AND COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH KNEW WHAT WAS AT STAKE JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO AS VO THAT WAS REPORTED BY THE VOICE OF SAN DIEGO. HE SAID TO HIMSELF, UH, AND HE SAID IT OUT LOUD, OUR BIGGEST BUSINESSES ARE NOT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE. HE SAID, THIS, FACING A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT NEEDED NEW REVENUE. AND THE LICENSE GAP WAS OBVIOUS. IT WAS AN OBVIOUS PLACE TO FIND IT. AND HE WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. SO WHAT CHANGED? THE DATA DIDN'T CHANGE. THE DEFICIT DIDN'T CHANGE JUST HIS VOTE RIGHT AROUND THE TIME HE STARTED COURTING SUPPORT TO RUN FOR HIGHER OFFICE. SO HE FLIP FLOPPED FOR POLITICAL GAIN. AND IN DOING IT, HE SOLD OUT THE VERY SUPPORTERS WHO FOUGHT TO PUT HIM IN THAT SEAT. THAT'S NOT LEADERSHIP, THAT'S OPPORTUNISM. NOW. HE WANTS TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT ON ITS OWN. HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE TO HAVE THIS GOING FORWARD. ON A NON-ELECTION YEAR, COSTING OUR CITY EVEN MORE MONEY AND DISENFRANCHISING THOUSANDS OF VOTERS OF RISKING ITS PASSAGE, OUR RESIDENTS DO NOT DESERVE TO LIVE IN UNCERTAINTY WHILE OUT OF TOWN. CORPORATIONS REFUSE TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. THAT'S WHY I'VE PLACED AN ITEM. I WILL BE PLACING AN ITEM ON A FUTURE COUNCIL AGENDA TO RECONSIDER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND, UM, PUT AT EASE UNCERTAINTY IN A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITIES MIND. SO LET'S TAKE A DRIVE TO OCEANSIDE. LET'S TAKE A DRIVE TO CARLSBAD. LET'S LOOK AT THEIR BEAUTIFUL PARKS THAT ARE WELL-MAINTAINED, FULLY STAFFED THE KIND OF PARKS THAT FAMILIES LOVE AND COUNT ON. THEN COME BACK AND LOOK AT OURS. DON'T OUR RESIDENTS DESERVE THE SAME, THEY PAY INTO THIS VERY CITY EVERY SINGLE DAY. THEY DESERVE PARKS, PROGRAMS, SERVICES THAT REFLECT THAT EXACT COMMITMENT TO OUR NATIONAL CITY FAMILIES. SO NATIONAL CITY FAMILIES SHOULD NOT HAVE TO LOSE THE SERVICES THEY RELY ON BECAUSE POLITICIANS REFUSE TO ACT. I WOULD JUST ASK, LET'S DO OUR JOB. THANK YOU. REMEMBER YOUR MONEY. UM, THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, I HAVE A JUNIOR TENNIS ON SATURDAY FOR SIX TO 12 YEARS OLD. OUR KIDS, PLEASE. THIS IS A FREE PROGRAM THAT DISTRICT THREE IS PROVIDING TO OUR RESIDENTS, OUR [03:25:01] PICKLEBALL, BEGINNERS CLINIC. IT'S A VERY GOOD CLINIC FOR ALL OF US TO, TO ENJOY. SO, UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE PARTICIPATING AND YOU ARE ALL, UM, WELCOME TO PARTICIPATE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY, RIGHT. MEMBER BUSH. YES, JOSE, JUST STOP WITH THE POLITICAL SPEECHES, PLEASE JUST SAVE IT, SAVE THE CAMPAIGN FOR OUTSIDE AND LET'S NOT WASTE OUR STAFF TIME HERE. YOU ALREADY HEARD ALL OF OUR JUSTIFICATIONS AND IT WAS A MAJORITY VOTE, AND YOU ALREADY KNOW THE REASONS WHY WE VOTED AGAINST PUTTING THIS MEASURE ON THE BALLOT. WE DON'T NEED TO REHASH THINGS, BUT WHAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON IS THE WORK HERE WITH OUR CITY MANAGER. WE SHOULD FOCUS ON CUTTING OUR EXPENDITURES. YOU'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT AS WELL. LET'S CUT. LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN HAVE EFFICIENCIES ON. LET'S SEE WHERE WE CAN RAISE OUR OWN REVENUE. LET'S LOOK AT PASSING A BALLOT MEASURE FOR THE TAX INITIATIVE THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY UNITE WITH OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, BECAUSE WHAT YOU JUST DID WAS REALLY DIVISIVE. IT WAS POLITICAL, IT WASN'T NECESSARY, BUT THAT'S OKAY. WE CAN HAVE THOSE BACK AND FORTH CONVERSATIONS. WE CAN DISCUSS ALL THE DETAILS AND THAT'S FINE, BUT LET'S KEEP THE POLITICS OUT OF IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I AM ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR OF OUR BUSINESS LICENSE TAX REFORM, AND THAT WAS THE MESSAGE THAT WAS SENT OUT VERY CLEARLY BY BOTH, UH, MEMBER BUSH AND I AND, UH, MAYOR MORRISON, WHICH WAS LET'S WORK COLLABORATIVELY ON THIS EFFORT. NOT SOWING DIVISIONS, NOT DIVIDING FURTHER THE STATUS THAT WE ARE ALL IN RIGHT NOW. SO YES, LET'S GET TO WORK. UM, I WANT TO THANK OUR CITY MANAGER, MR. DOUG SCHULTZ FOR THE SUCCESS SO FAR. UM, I ESPECIALLY FEEL MY A LOT OF HOPE AND THERE'S JUST A LOT OF GOOD THINGS IN MY HEART TO HEAR YOU ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR STAFF AND THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY HERE IS, WELL, MOST OF US ROWING IN THE SAME DIRECTION. AND I THINK THAT IS SO IMPORTANT WHEN, UM, WE ARE AT SUCH A CRITICAL TIME. I THINK ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS TONIGHT SAID, UM, WE HAVE FINALLY GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE ALL ACKNOWLEDGING THE PROBLEMS. WE ARE ALL ACKNOWLEDGING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE FISCAL MESS THAT, THAT, UH, HAS BEEN CREATED. SO THAT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND UH, MR. SCHULTZ, WE'RE ALL LEARNING TO WORK WITH YOU. UM, YOU'RE LEARNING TO WORK WITH ALL OF US. YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY LEARNING HOW TO WORK WITH NATIONAL CITY AND AGAIN, YOU, YOUR MESSAGE OF HOPE JUST A LITTLE BIT AGO, UM, IS EXACTLY RIGHT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, COUPLE THINGS. WE DID HAVE, UH, THE OPENING OF, UM, RIOS, THEIR BAKE SHOP AND THEIR, UH, COFFEE SHOP AND UH, THEY, THEY CALL IT, THEY DIDN'T CALL IT THE COFFEE SHOP, THEY CALL IT CAFE BIG SHOP. YEAH, THEY'RE CAFE. CAFE, YEAH. YEAH. YOU GOT THE BAKE SHOP AND YOU GOT THE CAFE. AND SO I THINK THEIR, THEIR WHOLE DEAL IS NOW YOU CAN GO THERE, YOU CAN EAT, YOU CAN DRINK AND BE MERRY. SO KIND OF GET IT ALL, ALL TOGETHER IN ONE STOP. NOT ALCOHOL MADE COFFEE. WELL, YEAH, WELL, SOME, SOME PEOPLE GET A LITTLE BUZZ ON, ON CAFFEINE. YES. AND, UH, MATTER OF FACT, I JUST TALKED WITH A PROPERTY OWNER TODAY, OR A BUSINESS OWNER. UH, YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE A COFFEE SHOP RIGHT DOWN THE STREET HERE, ESCUELA, UH, AND, UH, UH, THEY ARE GETTING READY TO OPEN A NEW ONE THERE. AND THEY'RE, UH, A GROUP THAT HAS A NUMBER OF COFFEE SHOPS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE, UH, DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS HERE IN SAN DIEGO. AND SO, UH, UH, SO WE'RE GONNA BE A WELL CAFFEINATED CITY IF NOTHING ELSE. WE GET THROUGH ALL, ALL OF THIS . UH, BUT ANYWAY, THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UH, EXTREMELY GOOD THIS WEEKEND. UH, SATURDAY WE HAVE THE CAR SHOW, LOW RIDER CAR SHOW. IF IT DOESN'T RAIN, I'M LOOKING, I JUST, NOW THEY'RE PROJECTING 48% CHANCE OF RAIN SATURDAY OFF THIS HURRICANE THAT'S COMING UP THE UP THE COAST. WE'LL SEE. BUT THAT'S, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL DROP OFF. OR IT'LL BE LATE AT NIGHT WHEN IT'S ALL OVER. AND, UH, UM, SO YEAH, BUT IF YOU'VE, IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO THE LOW RI THE END OF SUMMER LOW RIDER CAR SHOW, YOU REALLY NEED TO COME OUT FOR THIS ONE. UH, THAT'S GOTTA BE, BUT IT'S THE LARGEST LOW RIDER CAR SHOW IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY. IT TURNED OUT THAT IT, YOU KNOW, STARTED JUST BACK IN 2019 AND HAS GROWN LIKE CRAZY. IT WAS OUR LAST MAJOR EVENT THAT WE HAD IN THE CITY BEFORE WE SHUT DOWN FOR COVID. AND IT WAS OUR FIRST MAJOR EVENT COMING OUTTA COVID AND HAS BEEN, UM, BEAUTIFULLY DONE BY, UH, TWO EX INDIVIDUALS WHO REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND THEY BOTH HAPPEN TO BE LOCAL INDIVIDUALS HERE, BUT THEY DO THESE MAJOR, MAJOR CAR SHOWS ALL OVER, ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. AND, AND, UH, SO, UH, BUT THAT ONE, THAT ONE'S A REALLY GOOD ONE ON THAT. UM, ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAD JUST PURELY FROM INFORMATIONAL STANDPOINT, WE DID HAVE [03:30:01] A KIND OF A THROWN TOGETHER AT THE LAST MINUTE, LAST FRIDAY, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, THEY HAVE THE OH, UH, BONE DEGUS, UH, PROGRAM, WHICH IS, UH, EVERY MONTH. AND THEY NORMALLY HAVE IT DOWN IN SHULA VISTA. IT'S BEEN DOWN THERE FOR YEARS. AND SO ONCE A MONTH THEY HAVE A SPEAKER. THIS TIME THEY HAD A SPEAKER WHO BACKED OUT AT THE LAST MINUTE. SO THEY SAID, WELL, WHY DON'T WE HAVE ALL THE NATIONAL CITY CANDIDATES COME AND SPEAK? AND THEY HAD THE LARGEST CROWD THEY'VE EVER HAD FOR A BONGUS. AND SO THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GONNA STAY HERE IN NASHVILLE CITY NOW. UH, BUT IT WAS REALLY GOOD. BUT IT, BUT IN LISTENING TO EVERYBODY, AND SO PEOPLE DIDN'T GET TO GO BACK AND FORTH WITH EACH OTHER. THEY JUST KIND OF, THEY TALKED AND GAVE THEIR OWN PRESENTATION, WHICH WAS A GOOD WAY TO, UH, TO START, START THIS, UH, KIND OF SEASON OFF. AND, UM, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT, UH, AS SAY I'M NOT RUNNING THIS YEAR SO I CARE LESS ON THIS PART OF IT, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD FIND CANDIDATES, WHOEVER, AND FROM WHATEVER, PERSUASION, WHATEVER ELSE, THAT WILL BRING THIS COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND KEEP THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER, NOT BE UN DIVISIVENESS, NOT DEALING WITH CLASS WARFARE AND ALL THESE OTHER, OTHER KIND OF STUFF. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S EASY TO GAIN, UH, POWER BY DIVIDING PEOPLE UP. IT'S MUCH HARDER TO GET POWER BY BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER. IT'S A LOT MORE WORK AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND SO LET'S, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL WORKING FOR SOMETHING POSITIVE AND TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN INSTEAD OF JUST TRYING TO TEAR STUFF UP. UM, AS I SAY, WE GOT A GREAT COMMUNITY. UM, AS I SAY, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE NOW AFTER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, NO ONE REAL, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE NOT REALLY HAVING THE ABILITY TO REALLY BE AT THE HELM IN THE CITY MANAGER POSITION, TO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL, UH, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY COMMITTED HIMSELF AND, AND DOING THE WORK. AND WE, WE SAW EXAMPLES OF IT TONIGHT AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER, UH, CONTINUE TO SEE THAT IN THE, UH, COMING FUTURE. SO I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. SO WITH THAT, UH, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO GIVE HER A REPORT ON OUR CLOSED SESSION. NOTHING TO REPORT, BUT I WILL BE WRITING A CEASE AND DESIST LETTER TO MOTHER NATURE ABOUT THE RAIN ON SATURDAY. SIR , NOTHING TO REPORT 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A CLOSED SESSION. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, UH, , WE ARE, WE, WE ARE ADJOURNED TO OUR MEETING OF THE, OF THE 15TH. YOU THANK YOU. HERE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.