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I HEREBY CALL THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL, CITY OF MARCH 16TH, 2026 AT 6:00 PM TO ORDER A LIVE WEBCAST OF THIS MEETING MAY BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AT HTTPS SLASH NATIONAL CITY CA.GOV/WEBCAST.THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY'S WEBSITE INFORM THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.
FIRST, BY EMAIL AT PLC PB, COMMENT@NATIONALCITYCA.GOV NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING, SECOND VIA ZOOM BY PRE-REGISTERING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING, AT HTTPS SLASH SLASH WWW.NATIONALCITYCA.GOV/PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIRD, THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE COMMENT IN PERSON AT THIS MEETING.
ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED WILL BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS APPROPRIATE PRIOR TO THEIR RESPECTIVE MEETINGS AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY WEBSITE.
IF RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE, I REQUEST THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SECRETARY, NOW PROCEED WITH ROLL CALL VICE CHAIR CASTLE SALGADO.
HERE, COMMISSIONER MENTHA PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER ES PRESENT, COMMISSIONER GOGI PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA DID NOTIFY US THAT SHE WOULD BE ABSENT TODAY.
AND COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ DID RESIGN YESTERDAY.
UM, I'LL NOW HAVE VICE CHAIR CASTLE SALGADO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
PLEASE STAND RIGHT HAND OVER YOUR HEART.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDERG GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ITEM ONE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS FOR, UM, UNEXCUSED ABSENCES OR, UH, UNEXCUSED ABSENCES.
THE FIRST ITEM WAS TO BE FOR COMMISSIONER UM, SANCHEZ, WHO RESIGNED EFFECTIVE TODAY.
THEREFORE, WE WILL NOT BE TAKING ANY ACTION ON THAT.
BUT I DO WANT TO, UH, EXPRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S, UH, SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR THE YEARS OF SERVICE THAT HE PUT IN TO THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY TO MAKE THIS A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL OF US TO LIVE.
[2. Approval of Excused/Unexcused Absence of Commissioner Valenzuela on March 16, 2026]
THE NEXT ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OR OF UNEXCUSED OF EXCUSED OR UNEXCUSED ABSENCE OF COMMISSIONER VALANCE WELA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING MARCH 16TH, 2026.UH, I DISCLOSED THAT COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA HAS NOTIFIED MADAM CHAIRMAN OF HER ABSENCE FROM THE MARCH 16TH, 2026 MEETING DUE TO BEING IN THE E ON THE EAST COAST FOR FAMILY REASONS.
IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? NO.
THEN, UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO EXCUSE OR NOT EXCUSE, UH, COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA'S ABSENCE.
AND IN YOUR MOTION, PLEASE STATE WHETHER YOU, UH, WANT IT TO BE EXCUSED OR UNEXCUSED.
I MOTION TO EXCUSE THE ABSENCE.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR, UM, CASTLE SALGADO AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOGI TO EXCUSE, UH, COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA FROM THE MARCH 16TH, 2026 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION CHAIR.
UM, ACTUALLY, COMMISSIONER KEONE IS SECOND ON THE SCREEN.
A MOTION, UH, BY VICE CHAIR CASO SALGADO ON A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER QUINONE TO EXCUSE COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA FROM THE MARCH 16TH, 2026 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
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OKAY.UH, MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
WE WILL NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS OR MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW.
WE CANNOT RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND ITEMS REQUIRING PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION.
THESE ITEMS MUST BE BROUGHT BACK ON A SUBSEQUENT AGENDA UNLESS THEY ARE OF A DEMONSTRATED EMERGENCY OR URGENT NATURE.
MADAM SECRETARY, ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO TONIGHT TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA? WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
[3. Approval of the Agenda for the Meeting on March 16, 2026]
BEGIN CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS ON, UH, ON TONIGHT'S REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA.ITEM THREE IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UM, OF MARCH 16TH.
IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION? IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, DO I HEAR A MOTION? I'M CONFUSED.
FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE SALGADO AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ES TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
UM, MADAM SECRETARY, UM, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ELECTRONICALLY NOW.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION APPROVE ANONYMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
[4. Approval of Minutes from the Meeting of February 2, 2026]
TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF FEBRUARY 2ND, 2026.IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? UH, MADAM SECRETARY, YOU HAD A CORRECTION? YES, THERE WAS A CORRECTION ON THE MINUTES.
UH, I INCLUDED CYNTHIA KEONE IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE BEGINNING.
SHE HAD A PUBLIC COMMENT, NOT RELAYED TO ANY ITEM AGENDAS, SO THAT ONE WAS AMENDED ALREADY, BUT WE DO HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION WITH THE AMENDMENT.
SO IS EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THAT? THERE WAS A, A CLARIFICATION ON COMMENTS BY COMMISSIONER QUINONE? NO, UH, IT WAS A PUBLIC COMMENT BY PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE, UH, MOTION.
DO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? OKAY.
UM, WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE SALGADO AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARMINTA TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH, WITH THE, UH, AMENDED.
SO WE WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE, UH, DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION APPROVED BY COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
[5. Determination that the project is Categorically Exempt from the California Environmental Act (CEQA) under Class 3 of the CEQA Guidelines Section 15303 (New Construction or Conversion of Small Structures) and Zone Variance to deviate from minimum requirements for Lot Area, Street Frontage, and Setbacks at a vacant property located on East 5th Street between Highland Avenue and I Avenue. Case File No.: 2025-21 ZV APN: 556-311-10]
OKAY.THIS IS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR THE CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING TO BE CONSIDERED.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
UNDER CLASS THREE OF THE CE A GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 3, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES AND ZONE VARIANCES TO DEVIATE FROM MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR LOT AREA SQUARE FOOTAGE AND SETBACKS AT A VACANT PROPERTY LOCATED AT EAST FIFTH STREET BETWEEN HIGHLAND AVENUE AND I AVENUE.
BEFORE WE BEGIN, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES RELATING TO THIS HEARING? THIS IS EACH PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S OPPORTUNITY TO DISCLOSE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, PROPERTY INSPECTIONS, EX PARTE CONTACTS, COMMUNICATIONS, ET CETERA, VICE CHAIR, CASTLE SALGADO.
I HAVE DONE A SITE VISIT AND A, UH, DRIVE-BY.
I LIVE CLOSE TO THE AREA, SO VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT.
UH, I HAVE ALSO, UH, DONE A SITE VISIT AND, UH, SPOKEN WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THERE.
I'VE ALSO GONE DRIVE BY AND TALKING TO NEIGHBORS.
AND I TOO, UH, WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP AT PLANNING COMMISSION, DID A DRIVE BY
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CHAIR.AT THE LAST, UH, MEETING FOR THIS, I DID RECUSE MYSELF, SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND RECUSE MYSELF AGAIN BECAUSE I LIVE WITHIN THE, UM, WITH, WITHIN THE AMOUNT OF FEE OF, OF THE, UH, THE, THE PROPERTY.
SO, VICE CHAIR CASSO SALGADO HAS RECUSED HERSELF FROM THIS ITEM.
MADAM SECRETARY, HAVE THE NOTICES AS REQUIRED BY LAW BEEN GIVEN, AND DO WE HAVE A COM, UH, COMPLETE FILE OF EXHIBITS, CORRESPONDENCE, AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YES, CHAIR.
WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM.
GOOD MEETING MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
MY NAME IS DAVID WELCH, UH, WITH THE PLANNING AND PLANNING DIVISION.
UM, ITEM FIVE IS A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING, UH, REQUESTING A ZONE VARIANCE FOR REDUCED SETBACKS.
UH, CASE FILE 2025 DASH 21 CV.
UM, THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY HEARD, I BELIEVE, AT THE NOVEMBER, I THINK IT WAS 17TH HEARING.
UH, SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THE INFORMATION AGAIN.
UM, HERE'S THE OVERHEAD OF THE SITE.
IT'S A SMALLER LOT, 25 FEET WIDE.
UH, I BELIEVE IT'S A HUNDRED FEET DEEP.
UM, THIS LOT EXISTS IN THE RS TWO ZONE, WHICH IS SMALL LOT RESIDENTIAL.
UM, IT'S A RETA, RECTANGULAR SHAPED PROPERTY.
UM, IT'S A REMNANT PARCEL FROM PREVIOUS LAND DIVISIONS ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
UM, THIS SITE IS SUBSTANDARD AND, UH, WOULD REPRESENT A, A VERY CONSTRAINED BUILDABLE AREA.
UM, THE SURROUNDING AREAS, BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, MOSTLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT THERE ARE ALSO RESALE AND SERVICES NEARBY, AS WELL AS MULTI-FAMILY IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST.
UM, SO PHOTOS OF THE SITE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S THE KIND OF THE GRASSY AREA RIGHT THERE.
UM, NOT A LOT OF STREET FRONTAGE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE FURTHER BACK INTO THE PROPERTY.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AS WELL AS AN A DU.
UM, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS A 803 SQUARE FOOT RESIDENCE.
THIS WOULD BE ONE STORY WITH TWO BEDROOMS AND TWO BATHROOMS. UH, THE A DU IS PROPOSED TO BE 630 SQUARE FEET, UH, WHICH WOULD BE ATTACHED TO THE, THE PRIMARY UNIT.
UM, THE REQUEST IS FOR REDUCED MINIMUM LOT SIZE STREET FRONTAGE AND SETBACKS.
SET SETBACKS WOULD INCLUDE 11 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK, A THREE FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK FOR THE A DU, AND THEN A THREE FOOT SIX INCH SIDE YARD SETBACK ON THE EAST HALF OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, HERE'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE SITE.
PLAN OF THE SITE, UH, HIGHLIGHTED IN THE KIND ORANGE BEIGE COLOR IS WHERE THE PRIMARY UNIT WOULD BE.
THE BLUE IS WHERE THE A DU WOULD BE.
UM, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE NO PARKING ON SITE.
IT WOULD JUST HAVE JUST A LANDSCAPED FRONTAGE WITH A COVERED PORCH.
UH, AND THEN YOU COULD SEE THE WALKWAYS IN THE SIDE, SETBACK AREAS GOING INTO THE VARIANCE REQUEST.
SO, UH, REQUEST NUMBER ONE, THE LOT SIZE, THE MINIMUM LOT AREA IN THE ZONE IS 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
THIS IS A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
THE SETBACKS IN THE ZONE ARE 20 FEET IN THE FRONT, FIVE FEET ON EITHER SIDE AND 25 FEET IN THE REAR.
UM, THE REQUESTED VARIANCES ARE 11 FEET IN THE FRONT.
UM, COVERED PORTRAITS ARE INCLUDED IN A FRONT YARD SETBACK.
SO A PORTION OF THAT REQUEST IS TO PROVIDE THAT, UM, THREE FOOT SINK, SIX INCH ON THE SIDE YARD.
UM, STATE LAW UNDER SB 79 DOES ALLOW PRIMARY UNITS TO BE CONSTRUCTED WITH FOUR FOOT SETBACKS.
UM, SO THE SETBACK ON THE EAST WOULD BE COMPLIANT WITH THAT.
AND THEN AUS ORDINARILY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE FOUR FOOT SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACKS.
UM, THIS ONE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THAT.
IT WOULD BE AT THREE FEET INSTEAD OF FOUR FEET.
UM, COULD SEE JUST, YOU GOT THE MAIN KITCHEN LIVING ROOM IN THE FRONT, A COUPLE BEDROOMS OFF A HALLWAY, EACH WITH A BATHROOM.
AND THEN SEPARATING INTO THE BACK IS THE A DU, AGAIN, TWO BEDROOMS AND TWO BATHS AS WELL.
UM, ALL ON THE SAME FLOOR ELEVATIONS, UH, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE FRONT FACING FIFTH STREET, AS WELL AS THE SOUTH ELEVATION IS THE REAR.
UM, AND THEN THE TWO SIDE ELEVATIONS.
SO APPLICANT IS, OR THE, THE PROPOSAL'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
IN OUR GENERAL PLAN, WE ENCOURAGE INFILL DEVELOPMENT, SO HOUSING
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ELEMENT, UH, POLICY 2.1, PROMOTE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON UNDERUTILIZED LAND AND REMOVE BARRIERS TO INFILL DEVELOPMENT.UH, WITHOUT A VARIANCE, THIS SITE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE ANY UNITS.
UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ENCOURAGED.
UH, SO ENCOURAGING HOUSING TYPES ARE OFTEN MORE AFFORDABLE, SUCH AS MICRO UNITS AND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO INCLUDE THE SECONDARY UNIT, WHICH IS BE, WHICH WOULD BE THE A DU, UH, AS WELL AS PROMOTE THE DEVELOPMENT OF A DU THROUGHOUT NASHVILLE CITY.
UM, SO BY ALLOWING A PRIMARY TO UNIT TO DEVELOP HERE AND A DU IS ALSO ALLOWED.
UM, THIS WOULD ALSO PROVIDE FOR INITIAL HOMEOWNER HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY IN THE CITY, UH, WHICH WE DON'T OFTEN GET.
THAT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH OUR HOUSING ELEMENT.
UM, AND THEN OUR ZONING PERMITS, AT LEAST ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AND AN A DU PER LOT IN THE RS TWO ZONES WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT AS WELL.
UM, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO WHAT I DISCUSSED EARLIER, UM, THE, THE REQUESTS ARE TO, UM, DE DEVIATE FROM THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE RS TWO ZONE.
SO, MINIMUM LAW AREA, 5,000 SQUARE FEET, 2,500 IS REQUESTED.
UH, 50 FOOT MINIMUM STREET FRONTAGE IS REQUIRED.
THE EXISTING 25 FEET IS REQUESTED.
UH, 20 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACKS ARE REQUIRED.
UM, FIVE FOOT INTO YOUR SIDE YARD SETBACKS ARE REQUIRED.
THREE FEET, SIX INCHES REQUESTED FOR THE EAST.
AGAIN, FOUR CAN BE FOUR FEET ON THE WEST CAN BE COMPLIANT UNDER STATE LAW.
AND THEN 25 FOOT REAR YARD SETBACKS ARE REQUIRED.
UM, THREE FEET IS REQUESTED FOR THE A DU, UH, WHICH ORDINARILY WOULD BE FOUR FOR UNDER STATE LAW.
SO THERE ARE SPECIFIC FINDINGS FOR VARIANCES.
UM, THEY SHOULD ONLY BE GRANTED WHEN, BECAUSE THERE ARE SPECIAL, EXCUSE ME, CIRCUMSTANCES APPLICABLE TO THE PROPERTY SUCH AS SIZE SHAPED TOPOGRAPHY, LOCATION OF SURROUNDINGS, UH, THAT STRICT APPLICATION OFT 18 WOULD DEPRIVE THE PROPERTY OF PRIVILEGES ENJOYED BY OTHER PROPERTY IN BOTH THE VICINITY AND UNDER IDENTICAL ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
SO THIS LAW IS HALF OF THE REQUIRED SIZE, WHICH AGAIN RESTRICTS THE BUILDABLE AREA.
THE SHAPE IS HALF THE REQUIRED STREET FRONTAGE, WHICH ALSO MODIFIES THE BUILDING AREA RELATED TO THE SETBACKS.
UM, THERE WOULD NOT REALLY BE ROOM FOR A RESIDENCE IN AU OF A TYPICAL SIZE, UM, WHICH ALSO SPEAKS TO THE SETBACK REQUEST.
ANY VARIANCE GRANTED SHALL BE SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS THAT WILL NOT CONSTITUTE A GRANT OF SPECIAL PRIVILEGES INCONSISTENT WITH THE LIMITATIONS ON OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE VICINITY.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF PROPERTIES IN NATIONAL CITY THAT ARE DEVELOPED IN A LOT SMALLER THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
AN OLDER CITY, THERE'S A LOT OF OLDER PROPERTIES IN SMALLER LOTS.
UM, MANY OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE VICINITY ALSO HAVE LESS THAN THAT REQUIRE LOT SIZE STREET FRONT ENGINE SETBACKS.
UH, I BELIEVE THE AGE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS NOT MEETING THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.
UM, AND THEN CONSISTENCY WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
UM, THE APPLICANT DID REVISE THEIR PLANS AFTER THE PREVIOUS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO REDUCE THE INITIAL, UH, SETBACK REQUEST TO LESS OF A DEVIATION.
UH, THIRD FINDING SHALL NOT BE GRANTED FOR A PARCEL WHICH AUTHORIZES A USE THAT'S NOT PERMITTED IN THE ZONE.
UH, THE PROPOSED USE IS A PERMITTED USE AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN AN A DU.
UM, AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AN EXEMPTION FOR SET CLASS TWO.
THAT'S THE WRONG SECTION NUMBER, BUT, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES.
UH, NOTICE OF EXEMPTION WE FILED.
UM, AND AT THE PREVIOUS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THERE WAS COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT.
UH, PRIMARILY THEY WERE CONCERNS WITH THE REDUCED SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACKS FROM BOTH PUBLIC COMMENTERS AS WELL AS COMMISSIONERS.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID VOTE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM.
THERE WAS A DESIRE TO HAVE A TWO STORY DESIGN, UH, THAT WAS SHOWN TO THE COMMISSION.
THE APPLICANT DOES PREFER TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY DESIGN, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT IN THE ATTACHMENTS AS EXHIBIT A, UM, IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION.
IT'S ALSO PROPOSING TO, UH, APPROVE AS EXHIBIT A.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO STATED THE PROJECT IS CON CONSTRAINED BY THE CALIFORNIA BUILDING CODE, THE CBC.
UH, THERE ARE MINIMUM BEDROOM SIZES, MINIMUM HALLWAY SIZES.
SO WHEN YOU'RE CONSTRUCTING A SMALLER HOUSE, UM, ADHERING TO SETBACKS IS NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE DUE TO MINIMUM SIZES WITHIN THE STRUCTURE AS WELL.
UM, BUT STAFF HAS ALSO INCLUDED THE TWO STORY DESIGN AS AN EXHIBIT B.
UH, SO THE, IT IS THE COMMISSION'S PLEASURE TO VOTE TO GO WITH THAT DESIGN, UH, THAT'S READILY AVAILABLE FOR THAT MOTION TO BE MADE.
SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT EXHIBIT B.
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STORY CONCEPT.UM, YOU CAN SEE IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE MORE ROOM IN THE BACK BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS STACKED THE A DU ON TOP OF THE PRIMARY.
UM, THE REQUEST WOULD BE MODIFIED AS FAR AS SETBACKS WOULD BE 16 FEET IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, LIKE, ONCE AGAIN, THREE FOOT SIX INCHES ON THE SIDE AND 20 FEET IN THE REAR.
UM, HERE'S THE FLOOR PLAN ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
AGAIN, SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL, TWO BEDROOMS ACTUALLY NOTICE IT'S THREE BEDROOMS, UH, LIVING AREA IN THE FRONT.
UH, EXTERIOR STAIRCASES STAIRCASE PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE A DU ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
UH, ONCE AGAIN A TWO BEDROOM DESIGN.
UH, THIS WOULD BE LOOKING FROM THE STREET, THE TWO STORY DESIGN, UH, AS WELL AS THE EAST ELEVATION.
UM, I DIDN'T CATCH IT IN TIME, BUT THE SOUTH AND WEST ELEVATIONS WERE NOT INCLUDED.
UM, BUT THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU A GOOD IDEA OF THE BULK AND SCALE OF THE, UM, TWO STORY VERSION OF THE DESIGN.
AS FAR AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WE HAD COMMENTS FROM BUILDING ENGINEERING AND FIRE OUR CITY DEPARTMENTS, UH, AS WELL AS, UM, PLANNING WITH DIVISION ADDED CONDITIONS RELATED TO COMPLYING WITH THE LAND USE CODE DURING THE PERMITTING PHASE.
UM, AGAIN, THE PROPOSED USE, UH, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
UM, IT'S PERMITTED USES THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE AS WELL AS TITLE 18.
UM, CAN BE FOUND CONSISTENT SHOULD THE ZONE VARIANCES BE APPROVED.
SO THE OPTIONS HERE TONIGHT ARE TO FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CQA AND APPROVE THE PROJECT BASED ON FINDINGS IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION OR FINDINGS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION, OR FIND THE PROJECT NOT EXEMPT AND OR DENY.
THE ZONE VARIANCE BASED ON FINDINGS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION CAN ALSO CONTINUE AN ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
ONCE AGAIN, THE DRAFT RESOLUTION, UH, TALKS ABOUT EXHIBIT A, WHICH IS A SINGLE STORY DESIGN.
UM, AFTER A DECISION IS MADE HERE, UH, WE FORWARD THAT NOTICE OF DECISION TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, AS A CONSENT ITEM.
THAT CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION.
I INVITE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THEIR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE? GOOD EVENING.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR FLAVIA GOMEZ, PLEASE? MS. GOMEZ? YES.
I THINK, UH, MR. DADE ALREADY PRESENT EVERYTHING.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO TO ASK THE STAFF FOR APPROVAL.
UH, THE OWNER, SINCE THE OWNER HAS THE STATE LAW RIGHT TO, TO BUILD ON THE LOT, AND WE ARE PROVIDING A SIX FOOT FENCE BRAND NEW TO, TO GIVE THE NEIGHBOR PRIVACY, UH, THE PROJECT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJACENT, UM, LOTS IN THE AREA.
WE DID THE DRIVE BY OF, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF, UH, UH, PROPERTIES IN AROUND.
UM, AND WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE, UH, GENERAL PLAN AND THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
AND, AND WE HAVE THE LI THE RIGHT PER THE STATE LAW.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? I'M JUST, WE WILL NOW HEAR LIVE FROM ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.
AND I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF SPEAKER SLIPS.
I INVITE ALEXANDER FERNANDEZ TO PLEASE COME FORWARD.
MY NAME IS ALEXANDER FERNANDEZ, UH, RESIDENT RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THAT PROPERTY.
UM, AND I JUST WANNA SAY ONE THING.
YOU KNOW, I, WELL, A FEW THINGS, BUT OF COURSE, UM, I DON'T WANT TO BE HINDERED.
UM, I WANT TO ENJOY MY PROPERTY.
I WANT TO ENJOY MY HOME, AND I'M ALREADY NOT BEING ABLE TO ENJOY MY HOME BECAUSE
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I'VE ALREADY GOT A NEIGHBOR AND A LITTLE DUPLEX NEXT DOOR, CAUSING A WHOLE BUNCH OF RACKET AT THREE, FOUR IN THE MORNING.AND I'M AFRAID THAT IT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL.
I'M TO THE POINT WHERE I WENT OUT AND I'VE ALREADY BOUGHT A GUN.
I'VE ALREADY GOT ONE BECAUSE I'M AFRAID THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING THERE ALREADY, BECAUSE SLUMLORDS AROUND MY AREA, ARE CAUSING PROBLEMS. AND IF I HAVE, IF SOMEBODY DOES ENTER INTO MY HOME, I'LL SHOOT 'EM.
I GOTTA PROTECT MY FAMILY AND MY LOVED ONES.
AND SO I GOTTA GET HINDERED ON.
I JUST PUT IN A BUNCH OF MONEY INTO MY PROPERTY, INTO MY PIPES, INTO MY HOME.
AND IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT NOBODY ELSE BUT ME AND MY WIFE.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY I HAVE TO BE HERE FOR A LITTLE PROPERTY THAT HAS TO GET A LITTLE TINY VARIANCE ANYWAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, UM, THEN, THEN THEY HAVE TO END UP BUILDING, UH, UH, UH, UM, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT WAYS, DIFFERENT CODES.
NOT TO TRY TO HINDER MY HOME, BUT IN THE END, I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE HINDERED.
I KNOW I'M GONNA HAVE PROBLEMS. I'VE ALREADY HAD PROBLEMS. UH, I, I'VE ALREADY FILED COMPLAINTS BEFORE WITH OTHER NEIGHBORS, UH, HAVING TO PUT OUT, UM, UM, POLICE CALLS.
I'VE NEVER HAD THAT BEFORE UNTIL A A, A HOUSING PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET CAME ACROSS.
AND, AND, AND THEY BUILT MULTIPLE HOMES, UH, UH, UNTIL MY OTHER NEIGHBOR STARTED BRINGING PEOPLE IN FROM TIJUANA AND OTHER PLACES.
UH, AND NOW I'M UP TILL FOUR IN THE MORNING WATCHING, SO MY WIFE CAN SLEEP.
AND NOW ON THE OTHER SIDE, I HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHATEVER'S GONNA COME NEXT.
AND ME AS A MAN, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN.
ALL I WANT TO DO IS SLEEP AT NIGHT.
ALL I WANT TO DO IS ENJOY MY RIGHT TO MY PROPERTY, BUT I CAN'T HAVE THAT.
UM, PLANNING, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UM, I'M JUST HERE TOO 'CAUSE I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY WANNA BUILD.
UM, AS MY HUSBAND STATED EARLIER, IT'S VERY, THE PROPERTY'S VERY SMALL.
UM, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THEY'RE GONNA BUILD TWO, UM, PROPERTIES IN THAT TINY LITTLE LOT.
UM, THERE'S ALREADY PROBLEMS WITH PARKING AROUND THAT AREA.
UM, THERE'S, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE NO DRIVEWAY, SO FOR SURE THEY'RE GONNA BE USING PARKING ON THE STREET.
UM, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WANNA BUILD EVEN TWO PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA.
UM, AND THEN I'M ALSO WORRIED ABOUT SAFETY, MORE ABOUT, UM, HOW IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY, IF THERE'S A FIRE OR ANYTHING, HOW THEY EVEN GONNA BE ABLE TO GET AROUND THROUGH THERE.
UM, ESPECIALLY TO GO THROUGH THE BACK LOT WHERE I SAW THERE WAS LIKE SO LITTLE ROOM TO GET THROUGH THERE, EVEN FOR JUST LIKE A PERSON TO JUST WALK THROUGH THERE.
SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY TOO.
SO I REALLY, UM, WOULD LIKE FOR YOU GUYS TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE NEXT DOOR TO IT.
UM, I ALSO TALKED TO OTHER NEIGHBORS AROUND, AND THEY HAVE SAID THAT, UM, EVEN OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE TRIED TO BUILD LIKE AN A DU IN THEIR PROPERTIES AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO BECAUSE THEIR PROPERTIES WERE SMALL, BUT THEY WERE AROUND THE SAME SIZE AS THAT ONE.
AND THEY WERE ALSO LIKE, CONCERNED HOW COME FOR THIS SITUATION, THEY'RE ABLE TO GET, UM, SPECIAL CONSIDERATION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, UM, TO JUST BRING IT UP THAT YOU GUYS CAN REALLY, REALLY, UM, TAKE CONSIDERATION ON THIS.
I'M CALLING ON MR. DOYLE MORRISON.
UH, FIRST ALL I'D LIKE TO SAY, I REALLY WANT TO THANK THE APPLICANTS FOR ACTUALLY TRYING TO, UH, DO SOMETHING ON A PROPERTY TO HELP ALLEVIATE THE HOUSING CRISIS.
IN THIS CASE THOUGH, ALL OF THESE VARIANCES, FRONT AND BACK, THE SITE, SMALL SIDE, UM, ACCESS TO THE A DU, UM, LIKE THE LAST SPEAKER SAID IN EVENT OF A FIRE,
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YOU KNOW, THAT THAT COULD BE VERY PROBLEMATIC.I THINK THE INTENT TO MAKE SUCH LARGE DWELLINGS ON THAT SIZE PROPERTY IS A LITTLE, UH, MUCH OF A OVERBITE.
I THINK THEY SHOULD PROBABLY SCALE IT BACK.
AND THEN ON THAT NOTE, NO ONE'S DISCUSSED PARKING.
SO YOU HAVE TWO DWELLING UNITS THAT ARE THREE, UH, TWO BEDROOM AND THREE BEDROOM.
I THINK, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, MAYBE THEY'RE BOTH ARE THREE BEDROOM.
BUT, UM, THAT'S GOING TO PROBABLY DICTATE TWO OR THREE CARS PER UNIT.
AND THERE'S NO PARKING, NO GARAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MAYBE THEY LOWER THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, PUT IN SPACE ENOUGH FOR SOME CARS TO PARK OFF STREET.
AND THEN THAT WOULD MAKE THE PRICE POINT A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO THESE LARGE DEVELOPMENTS, THE THE POINT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THE AFFORDABILITY GOES OUT THE WINDOW, RIGHT? IT BECOMES NOW IT BECOMES LUXURY OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH THEN PUTS MOST PEOPLE OUT OF THAT PRICE.
SO I'M OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT THAT IS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY MAYBE COME BACK WITH A SMALLER SCALE, UH, THAT WORKS, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, RESIDENTS AROUND IT ALSO ARE GONNA BE IMPACTED BY THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO HOW YOU COULD GET A SQA EXEMPTION FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE DUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE SAWDUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE NOISE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE DESTRUCTIVE.
WHY THEY'RE BUILDING IT IN THAT, IN THAT, UH, CONFIGURATION THEY HAVE NOW, UM, YOU PROBABLY WOULD HAVE THAT LATER, BUT MAYBE IF YOU HAD SOMETHING THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE MANAGEABLE, THE RESIDENTS MIGHT, UM, ACTUALLY BE ON BOARD WITH IT SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY MEMBERS, MAYBE PEOPLE THAT ARE EVEN, UH, LOOKING AT HOME OWNERSHIP SO THAT THEY HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME.
SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I ENCOURAGE THE, UH, TO, FOR YOU GUYS TO VOTE NO AND THAT THE APPLICANT COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT FITS THAT PROPERTY WITHOUT ALL THESE SPECIAL VARIANCES.
I REQUEST THE SECRETARY PROCEED WITH DISCLOSING IF ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED IN WRITING.
SECRETARY, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS CHAIR.
WOULD STAFF LIKE TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR THE APPLICANT? UH, NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM STAFF AT THIS TIME.
I SEE MR. CHAIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UH, MARTIN, LEADER, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
I DID WANNA ADDRESS THE PARKING QUESTION.
WHILE PARKING IS CERTAINLY AN ISSUE IN THE CITY, WE DO DO HAVE, UH, THERE IS ASSEMBLY BILL 2097, WHICH MEANS THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION DOESN'T, IS NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE PARKING.
SO THAT WOULDN'T BE PART OF THE DECISION, ALTHOUGH THAT IS A REALITY.
UH, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, UH, THE STATE HAS PASSED LAWS THAT IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS DO NOT REQUIRE OFF STREET PARKING.
UH, SO THE CITY'S HANDS ARE PRETTY MUCH TIED WHEN IT COMES TO THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE ON ISSUES LIKE THIS, UH, DO ANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY, UH, CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF OR APPLICANT? I DO.
UM, WHAT, WHAT'S THE, I KNOW THAT THIS WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US BEFORE, SO WHAT WAS THE, I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS BEFORE, BUT WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES? WHAT WERE THE DIFFERENCES IN THE VARIANCE THAT THEY MADE? AS FAR AS LIKE, FEED WIDE OR INCHES? UM, I'M NOT SURE IF I INCLUDED THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE THE DIFFERENCE WAS THAT IT WAS SHIFTED.
SO I THINK IT WAS PREVIOUSLY EITHER A THREE FOOT OR THREE FOOT SIX INCH, UM, SETBACK ON THE WEST SIDE.
UM, AND YEAH, I DON'T, I'D HAVE TO CHECK MY STAFF REPORT REAL QUICK, BUT THERE WAS DEFINITELY A SHIFT FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER.
APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO HELP PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION, AND I CAN KEEP TRYING TO LOOK THAT UP.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS RECOGNIZED? YES.
UH, SO ON THE NEIGHBOR'S SIDE, ON THE ALEXANDER'S SIDE, UH, WE INCREASED THE SETBACK TO ACCOMMODATE HIS PRIVACY.
AND ON THE BACK WE HAVE A HERE, UH, A ZERO SETBACK FOR THE A DU AND WE INCREASE THAT.
UM, CAN YOU, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT ZERO SETBACK, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THE, THE A DU WOULD GO ZERO ZERO HERE, SETBACK BEFORE NOW.
SO THERE'S NO SPACE BETWEEN THE FENCE AND THE YEAH.
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BEFORE, SO NOW YOU'RE ASKING THE DIFFERENCE.OH, SO NOW WE'RE WHAT, THREE FEET OR WHAT? YES.
THIS IS THE CONFIGURATION YOU WANT HERE, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO THERE'S, THERE IS A SMALL SET BACK IN THERE, ATION.
I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS FROM LAST TIME TO THIS TIME.
YEAH, AND IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH ALL THAT AGENT'S HOUSING, INCLUDING THE NEIGHBOR'S SIDE.
UH, WHICH HE HAS SOME STRUCTURE, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT YOU CAN SEE ON AIR VIEW HE HAS, UH, A STRUCTURE GOING TO THE, TO THE PROPER LINE.
AND, UM, WHY NOT GO UP AS IT WAS SUGGESTED BEFORE? WE, WE, THAT'S WHY WE PROVIDE A SECOND, A SECOND, UH, UH, A SECOND DESIGN.
SO THAT WAY THE STAFF HAS TWO OPTIONS TO ANALYZE AND IMPROVE.
UH, BUT WE BELIEVE THE FIRST FLOOR WILL IMPACT LESS THE PRIVATE FOR THE NEIGHBOR.
SO THAT'S WHY, UH, IF WE HAVE TO GO TO TWO STORES, WE ALREADY HAVE THE DESIGN FOR IT.
UH, I RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER MENTA.
REMEMBER, UH, I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT THE MEETING NOTES, BUT I DON'T HAVE 'EM.
UM, FROM BACK IN NOVEMBER, THE NOVEMBER MEETING, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXISTING POLL THAT WAS THERE.
I BELIEVE THERE, I HAD ASKED IF IT WAS STILL ACTIVE OR THERE WAS PLANS TO REMOVE IT.
AND I WANNA SAY SOMEBODY WAS GONNA LOOK CONTACT SDG AND E OR, OR SOMEBODY SEE WHO OWNED IT AND WHAT, WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN WITH THAT.
DID THAT, I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT.
NO, I DIDN'T RECALL THERE BEING AN OUTSTANDING QUESTION OF THAT, UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, I KNOW THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE SOME DOCUMENTATION FROM S CG E.
UM, IT WAS, IT WAS A LETTER FROM THEM.
I, AGAIN, PROBABLY THE STATE ANSWER I GAVE AT THE LAST MEETING, I JUST DON'T RECALL.
AND I, I, THERE WAS, I, I PROBABLY HAVE TO WATCH IT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I ASKED, BUT I KNOW I ASKED SOME THINGS AND I'M PRETTY SURE THERE WAS GONNA BE SOME FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING THAT FOLLOW UP, UNFORTUNATELY.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE POWER POLE IN, IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY? UH, WELL I THINK IT'S AT THE BACK.
THAT WAS MY SECOND QUESTION BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I'M REFERRING TO THE ONE IN THE BACK, AND I DIDN'T SEE THE ONE IN THE FRONT IN THE DIAGRAM HERE, BUT YES.
CAN WE GO TO THE PICTURE OF THE PRO? THERE? THERE WE GO.
SO THAT'S THE, THE FRONT PART.
BUT THEN THERE'S ONE ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK, ON THE WAY IN THE BACK, JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THE, SO I JUST, I BELIEVE MY QUESTIONS LAST TIME WERE, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY BOTH ACTIVE? ARE THEY GOING TO, I BELIEVE THE BACK ONE MAYBE WASN'T ACTIVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE GONNA TAKE IT OUT OR HOW THAT WAS GONNA BE SEPARATED FROM THE HOUSE AND THE ACCESS, YOU KNOW, TO WHATEVER COMPANY OWNS IT.
WELL, IF WE'RE DEALING WITH EXISTING SDG E UH, UTILITIES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT.
THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD INTERFERE WITH THAT.
NORMALLY, IF THERE'S GONNA BE A RELOCATION OF A POLE, IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S A DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD BE GONE THROUGH THAT, AND THAT'S A, A WHOLE NOTHER PROCESS.
BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED IN THIS CASE.
BUT THERE, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE ACTIVE OR NOT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY BEARING ON THIS PROJECT, I WOULD SAY WE CAN CERTAINLY FIND THAT OUT THROUGH OUR UTILITY.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE A MONTHLY UTILITY MEETING.
WE CAN ASK THAT QUESTION, BUT THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THIS PROPERTY, SO THEREFORE NOT PART OF IT, THE ONE IN THE FRONT.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ONE IN THE BACK? IF IT'S, WELL, IF IT'S ON THE PROPERTY UHHUH OR IF IT'S UHHUH, I DON'T, IS THERE ONE, IS THERE IT'S ON THE PROPERTY.
YEAH, THERE IS ONE ON THE S ON THE PROPERTY, YES.
IS THAT ISSUE NOT BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE YEAH, IF IT'S ON THE PROPERTY, IT IS, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE LETTER RIGHT NOW.
BUT I MEAN THE, THE, THE ISSUE ITSELF, UM, IT, IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN WAVE A WAND AND MAKE IT GO AWAY OR SOMETHING.
IT'S, IT'S AN ISSUE THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS WITH THE, WITH SDG AND E IN ORDER THAT'S CORRECT.
IN ORDER TO RELOCATE THAT POLE.
AND SO I, I DON'T WANT US TO BE WASTING TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS SINCE WE REALLY NO, NO, NO.
BUT THESE WERE THE SAME QUESTIONS I HAD ASKED, UH, BACK IN NOVEMBER.
SO I, WITH THE REDESIGN AND EVERYTHING, I WAS HOPING THERE WAS INFORMATION ON THAT BECAUSE I DON'T REM WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A COPY OF THE LETTER OR ANYTHING.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE 'CAUSE THAT WAS PART OF THE WHOLE SETBACK, UM, FROM MY, AT LEAST MY SIDE, MY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE CAN COMMENT? YES.
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WITH GOING WITH THE SETBACKS, I DO, UM, APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, THEY ADDED SOME SETBACK BUT IS THREE FEET STILL, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, UH, NORMAL, UH, AND ENOUGH SPACE FOR FIRE SAFETY.THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DID COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION AS THEY DO WITH ALL OTHERS.
SO THE CONDITIONS DO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FIRE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE AERIAL ACCESS AS WELL.
LIMITED IN THIS CASE, OF COURSE, MA VERY LIMITED UHHUH.
AND THEN I KNOW WE MENTIONED PARKING.
I ALSO DO RECALL, UM, THE, UH, COMMUNITY WAS GOING TO DO, UM, HANDICAP PARKING OR SOMETHING, APPLY FOR HANDICAP PARKING.
I REMEMBER THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
IS THAT MOVING FORWARD OR COULD, COULD YOU COME TO THE DAAS OR TO THE, UH, PODIUM PLEASE? I KNOW ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS SAID SHE WAS GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH THE PARKING.
SHE, UH, FOR HANGING, LIKE APPLY UHHUH.
I JUST WAS ASKING IF THERE WAS ANY MOVEMENT OR ALREADY MADE.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING, BUT, UH, OKAY.
I WILL, I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH HER.
UH, COMMISSIONER GOGI, I JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION ON THE SETBACK FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
THE FIRST, LAST MEETING, IT WAS THREE FEET ON BOTH SIDE.
NOW DID I SEE THAT WAS FIVE FEET OR IS IT STILL THREE FEET? IT'S STILL THREE AND A HALF.
AND DID WE GO TO THE, UH, SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE PROPOSED LAYOUT OF THE BUILDING? ALRIGHT, GO BACK TO THE NEXT ONE.
THIS FIVE FEET IS WHAT IS SHOULD BE.
SO ON THE SOUTH PART, ON THE NEIGHBOR STORAGE IN THE NEIGHBOR, WE INCREASED TO FOUR FEET.
AND ON THE, UH, NORTH SIDE, UH, WE INCREASED TO THREE AND A HALF.
SO THE THREE AND A HALF IS BY THE APARTMENTS? YES.
AND THEN, AND THEN WE PUSH THE WHOLE BUILDING AND WE, WE MADE THE DESIGN TOWARDS TO THIS WAY, SO THAT WAY WE CAN GIVE FOUR FEET TO THE NEIGHBOR SIDE.
SO WE'RE NOW WE'RE AT FOUR FEET? YES.
THAT'S THE COVER REASON I WANTED IN THAT ONE.
AND THE OTHER ONE WAS, THE OTHER ONE'S THE SAME FOR THE SIDE SETBACKS, THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGED IS THE HERE, UH, SETBACK AND THE FRONT SETBACK A LITTLE BIT.
NOW GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
UH, THIS IS YOUR PROPOSAL FOR, YOU HAVE 11 FEET IN THE FRONT NOW.
BUT FOUR FEET IS JUST FOR THE PORCH.
IT'S NOT FOR THE WHOLE STRUCTURE.
THIS THE PORT FOR THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
UH, THE PORCHES, UH, SHOULD BE ACCOUNTED TO ENCROACH ON THE FRONT SETBACK, BUT IT'S ONLY A PORCH.
SO WE CAN GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF DESIGN.
UH, WE COULD REMOVE THE PORCH, BUT WE WANNA GIVE SOME, SOME, SOME DESIGN TO IT.
SO 11 FOOT, AND THAT'S ONE DIFFERENCE FROM THE 20 FEET REQUIRED, CORRECT? YES.
AND THEN ON THE REAR, ON MY, ON THE, HERE AT BACK, WE INCREASED FOUR, THREE FEET.
FOR THE A-D-U-A-D-U ONLY REQUIRES FOUR FEET.
SO THERE WE ARE NOT, UH, THE VARIANCE FOR ONE FEET.
ONE FOOT FOR, FOR THE, UH, BECAUSE A DU JUST REQUIRES FOUR FEET.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GOGI? UM, NO, THAT'S FINE.
COMMISSIONER QUINONES ONE ARE THE, ONE OF THE ISSUES, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO BROUGHT IT UP LAST TIME.
WAS THAT ALSO A SAFETY ISSUE? LIKE IF THE EMT OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OR IF THEY HAD TO GO BACK AND THEY HAD TO LIKE HAVE A, WHAT DO YOU CALL 'EM, A GURNEY OR THOSE BEDS, WHATEVER, THAT, THAT IT WOULDN'T FIT THAT IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE HOW WAS THE FIRE PEOPLE OR THE EMTS GO THROUGH THERE? THERE WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH ROOM FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH THERE.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP LAST TIME.
SO WITH THIS DIFFERENCE, WOULD IT,
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WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO FIT? WOULD IT STILL BE A PROBLEM? DO THE CHAIR? UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF SENT THIS FOR COMMENT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE BUILDING DIVISION.UM, AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT LOOK AT CODES RELATED TO, UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS, UH, SETBACKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, PLANNING SETBACKS ARE A LITTLE MORE, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, UM, SOFTER.
UH, THE CODE IS, IS MUCH MORE HARD WHEN YOU COME TO FIRE AND, AND BUILDING.
UM, THEIR COMMENTS STATED THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE SITE OR THE PLAN OR THE BUILDING PLANS MUST, MUST ADHERE TO, UH, CALIFORNIA FIRE CODE.
UM, AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE FIRE CODE IS, IS SETBACKS ARE NOT NECESSARILY, UM, RELATED TO, UM, ACCESS AT ALL TIMES.
UM, 'CAUSE THEY CAN PROVIDE ACCESS THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THE FIREFIGHTERS GONNA GO IN THERE, BRING SOMEONE OUT.
UM, IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH HOW THE WALLS ARE CONSTRUCTED.
SO WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE, YOU HAVE OPENINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED OR NOT REQUIRED.
UM, YOU HAVE ONE HOUR FIRE RATED WALL CONSTRUCTION, TWO HOUR FIRE RATED WALL CONSTRUCTION.
SO IN OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES DEPARTMENTS, LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT LOOK AT THESE APPLICATIONS, THEIR, THEIR CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT RELATED TO BRINGING IN THE GURNEY IN AND OUTTA THE SITE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WELL BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE FIRE CODE FOR A PROJECT OF THIS NATURE.
UM, THOSE THINGS USUALLY DON'T APPLY UNTIL YOU GET INTO, UH, LARGER SCALE CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, LARGE MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS, COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES, UH, THEN THEY HAVE CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, AN ELEVATOR HAS TO BE LARGE ENOUGH FOR THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT FOR A, A SINGLE, FOR UNIT AN A DU, UM, THOSE TYPES OF CONSIDERATIONS ARE NOT EVEN TALKED ABOUT IN THE FIRE CODE.
ALSO THROUGH THE CHAIR, I WOULD, UH, WE DO HAVE AT LEAST THREE FEET ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CODE'S ALSO.
UH, THEY ALSO TAKE INTO EFFECT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TOO.
SO THERE'S AN OPENING ON THAT SIDE AS WELL.
THAT ALSO APPLIES TO CONSTRUCTION TYPES.
'CAUSE THEY'RE, THERE'S OFFENSIVE, THEY'RE JUST GONNA KNOCK IT DOWN IF THEY NEED TO.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, DAVID.
WHAT I WAS TRYING TO, UH, ALSO MENTION IN THAT VEIN OF THOUGHT WAS THAT THE MINIMUM A DA PATH OF WIDTH OF TRAVEL PATH OF TRAVEL IS THREE FEET WIDE, 36 INCHES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? NO.
COMMISSIONER ARMINTA, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE? ONE QUESTION, ANOTHER QUESTION.
UM, WITH THE, THE TWO OPTIONS, THE TWO STORY AND THE ONE STORY, WAS THERE ANY, UH, WAS THERE A PLAN FOR, UH, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN TALKED OR MADE WITH NO, UM, CE A VARIATIONS OR MINIMAL CE QA VARIATIONS? J JUST SAYING THE, UH, THE OTHER SLIDE WHERE IT SHOWS ALL THE, THE RED LINES, I THINK, WAS IT THE ONE PREVIOUS TO THIS ONE? WAS THERE THAT ONE? WAS THERE ANY PLANS TO MAYBE BUILD SOMETHING WITHIN THE RED LINES? THE RED SQUARES? SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE, I GUESS, UH, THE SE QA PART OF IT, BUT THE RED, THE RED LINES REPRESENT OUR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE RS TWO ZONE.
SO WAS THERE A PLAN THAT WOULD MEET THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS? BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING IN TALKING TO THE APPLICANT, UH, IT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT MEETS BUILDING CODE WITHIN THAT CONSTRAINED AREA TO NOT BUILD TWO UNITS AS THEY WANT.
IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, OR ONE UNIT, IF I MIGHT INTERRUPT.
UM, THE REASON FOR THE CQA EXEMPTION, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERY DISCRETIONARY APPLICATION WITH CQA IN MIND, IF THIS WAS A REGULARIZED LOT, UH, WITHOUT ANY VARIANCES WHATSOEVER, WOULD BE ABLE TO BE BUILT BY WRIGHT.
THE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THEN ACCOMPANYING A DU IN THIS ZONE IS ALLOWED, TYPICALLY ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
EVEN IF THE SETBACKS WERE MET, THIS WOULD STILL REQUIRES CLEARANCE BECAUSE IT IS STILL A DISCRETIONARY PROCESS BECAUSE OF THE LOT SIZE ON THE LOT WIDTH.
UM, SO WE TYPICALLY RELY ON THE, UH, THE CLASS TWO, IS IT THE CLASS TWO INFILL DEVELOPMENT STANDARD, UH, ON THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.
UM, BUT I, EVEN IF IT MET THE SETBACKS, IT WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A CQA EXEMPTION OR A CQA PROCESS.
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I, I APPRECIATE THAT.I JUST DIDN'T WORD MY QUESTION RIGHT, BUT HE ANSWERED IT.
I GUESS THAT THERE'S NO OTHER, THERE'S NOT A THIRD SITE PLAN.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT IS CLASS THREE.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY.
HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO, TO BRING A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? THIS IS SIMPLY TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
LET ME MAKE, UH, COMMISSIONER GOGI MOTION FIRST AND THEN WE CAN TAKE A SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOGI AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER QUINONES TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER GOGI HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, UH, FIRST ON THE MOTION.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER GOGI.
AND THIS IS SIMPLY TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS ISN'T, UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE PROJECT.
UM, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULT OF THE VOTE.
MY EYESIGHT, UM, MOTION APPROVED WITH THREE YESS.
AND COMMISSIONER, UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE, UH, HAD, UM, ABSTAIN? WELL, EXCUSED.
UH, DOES COMMISSIONER GOGAN NEED TO EXPLAIN THE NO VOTE? NO.
GOING FORWARD, WE DON'T HAVE TO.
UM, SO THE MOTION CARRIES TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MISSIONERS.
OR IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES? ARMENTO, UH, I GUESS JUST THE, THAT POLE IN THE BACK, IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, OR IF THERE IS, OR ARE WE GONNA SEE THAT LETTER OR, THAT'S JUST MY ONLY THING.
I DON'T, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE PROPERTY WITH ALL LIKE THAT.
I ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT WILL, UH, BE RESOLVED BY THE APPLICANT.
BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND SDG AND E.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S BEYOND THE, OUR PURVIEW.
IF THEY CAN'T REMOVE THAT, THE PROJECT IS SIMPLY NOT, NO, I'M ASKING TO, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE REMOVAL, JUST THE ACCESS OR WHATEVER OTHER REQUIREMENTS THEY MIGHT HAVE WITH THEM.
IS THERE A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION THAT WOULD, UH, LIKE TO BRING A MOTION, UH, TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL TO APPROVE EXHIBIT ONE AS OPPOSED TO EXHIBIT TWO? I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THE RESOLUTION, UM, TO HAVE THE APPLICANT CONSTRUCT THE PROPERTY THE WAY THEY DESIRE.
UM, MY BASIS IS THAT THEY ARE MEETING THE CRITERIA OF THE, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE AND THEY MEET THE CRITERIA FOR, AND THE FINDINGS OF, UH, FOR A VARIANCE.
UH, THERE ARE ISSUES THAT THEY NEED TO RESOLVE WITH SDG AND E, BUT I THINK THEY ARE CAPABLE OF DOING THAT.
UM, SO I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, CAN WE DO THAT AND IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? OKAY.
UH, WE NEED ANOTHER MOTION EITHER TO CONTINUE TO APPROVE EXHIBIT TWO OR TO DENY, I WILL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE PROJECT, UH, FOR EXHIBIT TWO.
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DO I HAVE A SECOND? I DO NOT.SO THAT LEAVES US WITH EITHER A DENIAL, IN WHICH CASE WE NEED TO FIND, UH, MAKE A, AT LEAST ONE FINDING FOR DENIAL OR A CONTINUATION OF THIS PROJECT.
AND, UH, IF YOU DO CONTINUE THE PROJECT, WE NEED TO HAVE A BASIS FOR THE CONTINUATION.
WE JUST CAN'T CONTINUE THIS INDEFINITELY.
I ASK FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER GOGI.
UM, SO WHEN YOU'RE ASKING US IF WE SECOND THIS EX EXHIBIT A, I MEAN ONE OR TWO, EXHIBIT ONE OR TWO, IS THAT THEIR RENDITION OF A AND B? WELL, I THINK THEY WERE, UH, UH, EXHIBIT ONE OR TWO CORRECT.
OR WERE THEY EXHIBIT A OR IT'S A AND B.
AND THEN THE, THE DRAFT RESOLUTION PROVIDED BY STAFF HAVE A, SO IF YOU WANTED TO VOTE ON EXHIBIT B, YOU WOULD BASICALLY, UH, VOTE ON THE DRAFT RESOLUTION WITH A MODIFIED CONDITION FOR EXHIBIT A.
I, FOR SOME REASON I GOT EXHIBIT ONE AND TWO IN MY HEAD.
UM, DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? SO IT SHOULD BE EXHIBIT A OR B, NOT ONE OR TWO.
WOULD THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF I MADE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF EITHER A OR B? AND A IS THE ONE STRUCTURE ON THE ONE, THE ONE STORY, ONE FLOOR, THE ONE STORY, ONE STORY AND, AND AND B IS TWOS THE TWO STORY? OKAY.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
UH, THEN, THEN MY APOLOGIES FOR THE CONFUSION ON THAT.
UM, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROJECT FOR EXHIBIT A INSTEAD OF EXHIBIT ONE FOR EXHIBIT A.
IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? YES.
AND IF WE, IF SOMEBODY, IF I GET A SECOND, THEN I WILL READ THE ENTIRE THING INTO THE, UM, RECORD THE MOTION TO APPROVE.
SO, UM, AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A, WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UH, CHAIR MILLER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARMA TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2026 DASH ZERO TWO A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY CALIFORNIA, DETERMINING THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE ENVIRON CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
CA UNDER CLASS THREE OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 3 NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES AND APPROVING A ZONE VARIANCE TO DEVIATE FROM MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF LOT FOR LOT AREA STREET FRONTAGE AND SETBACKS AT A VACANT PROPERTY LOCATED AT EAST FIFTH STREET BETWEEN HIGHLAND AVENUE AND I AVENUE.
CASE FILE NUMBER 2025 DASH 21 ZV ZV APN 5 56 DASH 3 1 1 DASH ZERO ONE.
AND THIS WOULD BE FOR EXHIBIT A CONSTRUCTION OF EXHIBIT A.
SO, UM, I'M THE MAKER OF THE, I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
UH, DO ANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WISH TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THE MOTION? OKAY, THEN MADAM SECRETARY, WE WILL NOW VOTE.
WE HAVE A TIE, UM, IN WHICH CASE THE, UM, MOTION FAILS.
SO THEN I WILL AMEND THE MOTION TO GO WITH EXHIBIT B AND I WILL, CAN YOU CHANGE THE SCREEN ON THE, UH, CONTROLLER? YES.
JUST GIMME ONE SECOND SO I CAN THANK YOU.
SO I HAVE A MOTION, UM, FOR APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT FOR EXHIBIT B, THE TWO STORY
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OPTION.IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? I, ONE SECOND.
UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY CHAIR MILLER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOGI TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2026 DASH TWO A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY CALIFORNIA, DETERMINING THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT CQA UNDER CLASS THREE OF THE CQA GUIDELINES, SECTION 1 53 0 3, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES AND A APPROVING A ZONE VARIANCE TO DEVIATE FROM MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR LOT AREA STREET FRONTAGE AND SETBACKS AT A VACANT PROPERTY LOCATED AT EAST FIFTH STREET BETWEEN HIGHLAND AVENUE AND I AVENUE.
CASE FILE NUMBER 2025 DASH 21 ZV WITH APN 5 56 DASH 3 1 1 DASH ZERO ONE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR EXHIBIT B TO APPROVE THE TWO STORY OPTION, WE WILL NOW VOTE WE HAVE ANOTHER TIE.
SO THAT LEAVES US WITH, UM, THE OPTION OF EITHER DENYING THE PROJECT OR CONTINUING THE PROJECT.
AND I WOULD ENTERTAIN SOMETHING FROM, UH, ANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ALONG THOSE LINES.
COMMISSIONER ARMA? UM, WELL, I DON'T WANNA DENY THE PROJECT, UH, 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A RIGHT TO BUILD AND I WAS, UH, MORE IN AGREEANCE WITH THE PLAN A BECAUSE IT, I FEEL IT, IT, THEY DID SET BACK, THEY ADDED MORE SETBACK AND IT WOULD BE, UH, HELP WITH THE PRIVACY WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
UH, SO THAT'S WHY I VOTED NO ON PLAN B.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO DISCUSS THEIR REASONS ON THE NOSE FOR PLAN A, MAYBE WE CAN FIND A, YOU KNOW, AN ALTERNATIVE COMMON GROUND OF SOME KIND.
MY OPINION, I WANT THEM TO BUILD ON THE PROPERTY.
'CAUSE WE KNOW THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE WE CAN DO.
BUT I THINK GOING TWO STORY, IT GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE SETBACK IN THE FRONT AND THE BACK.
BUT ALSO THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE DOING A SIX FOOT FENCE, WHICH IS THE, THE MOST PRIVACY YOU'RE GONNA GET.
IT'S A SMALL LOT, AT LEAST BUILDING UP GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE LEEWAY ON THE SETBACKS.
UH, COMMISSIONER QUINONES, DID YOU HAVE I WAS GOING UP TOO.
THAT'S PLA B, RIGHT? THAT'S UH, EXHIBIT B.
I, AND FOR THOSE SAME REASONS THAT COMMISSIONER GOBY SAID IT WOULD GIVE HIM MORE SPACE.
BECAUSE I JUST THINK IT, IT'S JUST TOO MUCH, TOO MUCH PROPERTY FOR SUCH A LITTLE PIECE OF LAND MM-HMM
AND JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE SAFETY.
IT SEEMS LIKE A SAFETY ISSUE FOR ME.
HAVING THAT LITTLE THREE FEET DOESN'T, IT'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM, BUT MAYBE GOING UP THEY CAN PROVIDE MORE SPACE.
AND WHAT WE WOULD BE APPROVING WOULD BE EXHIBIT B.
NOW, UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, MR. WELSH EXHIBIT B, WHAT ARE THE SETBACKS ON EXHIBIT B? THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALL.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU READ AND READ US WHAT THE SETBACKS ARE? YES.
AND I CAN READ THOSE SETBACKS.
I CAN ALSO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE COLOR ON THE SETBACKS IF YOU WANT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE REQUEST IS PRETTY CLEAN, BUT THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND THAT I CAN PROVIDE IF YOU SO WISH TO HAVE THAT.
UH, BUT WHAT'S ON HERE RIGHT NOW IS, UH, 16 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK.
UH, AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE FOR THE ROOM TO ESTABLISH A COVERED PORCH, UM, THREE FOOT, SIX INCH SIDE YARD SETBACK ON THE EAST SIDE.
UM, A VARIANCE IS NOT NEEDED FOR THE WEST SIDE DUE TO SB 79 OR SB NINE, EXCUSE ME.
AND THEN A 20 FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK, UM, WHEN ORDINARILY A 25 FOOT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE PRIMARY UNIT.
SO, UM, DOES THAT SWAY ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? SHOULD I RESTATE THE MOTION THEN FOR I THINK SO EXHIBIT
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B HEIGHT? THEY YEAH, THEY, THEY'RE NOT THE, THE HEIGHT, THEY MEET THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT.FOR THE TWO, FOR A TWO STORY, UH, CORRECT.
THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT IN THE RF TWO ZONE IS 35 FEET, SO, OKAY.
TH THIS IS, AND THIS WOULD BE 25 TO 28 FEET, USUALLY FOR A TWO STORY.
THAT'S NOT EVEN AN ISSUE HERE.
UH, THEN I WILL, UH, AGAIN, LET'S GO BACK TO THE MOTION.
WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION? OTHERWISE? I'M GONNA, I I MOTION THAT WE, OKAY.
UH, COMMISSIONER GOGI, COULD YOU PLEASE TURN ON YOUR MIC AND, OKAY.
AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY.
WE'LL HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOGI AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARMA TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2026 DASH ZERO TWO A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY CALIFORNIA, DETERMINING THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT, UH, CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
CQA UNDER CLASS THREE OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 3, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES AND APPROVE AND APPROVING A ZONE VARIANCE TO DEVIATE FROM MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR LOT AREA STREET FRONTAGE AND SETBACKS AT A VACANT PROPERTY LOCATED ON EAST FIFTH STREET BETWEEN HIGHLAND AVENUE AND I AVENUE.
CASE FILE NUMBER 2025 DASH 21 ZV APN 5 56 DASH THREE 11 DASH ZERO.
AND AGAIN, TO UH, EMPHASIZE THIS IS FOR EXHIBIT B.
SO WE WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
AND WE, UH, MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION APPROVE WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
THAT DOES CONCLUDE THE, UH, DISCUSSION ON THAT PARTICULAR I, UH, ISSUE ON THAT ITEM.
WE WILL NOW BE MOVING ON TO OTHER, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR OTHER ITEMS. UM, WE NEED TO GET COMMISSIONER, UM, OR CA UH, CA SALGADO BACK IN.
PLEASE BEAR WITH US A MINUTE OR SO WHILE, UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE COMES BACK TO THE DIOCESE.
[6. Consideration of Certification of a Negative Declaration and a Conditional Use Permit and Coastal Development Permit for Liquefied Petroleum Gas (Propane) Storage and Dispensing located at 2100 Haffley Avenue. Case File No.: 2025-26 CUP CDP IS APN: 559-040-08-01]
SO WE WILL NOW CONTINUE PUBLIC HEARINGS.ITEM NUMBER SIX IS CONSIDERATION OF CERTIFICATION OF A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FOR LIQUIFIED PETROLEUM GAS, PROPANE STORAGE AND DISPENSING, EXCUSE ME, LOCATED AT 2100 HALFWAY AVENUE.
UH, ARE THERE ANY DISCLOSURES BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? UM, THAT WOULD BE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, PROPERTY INSPECTIONS, EX PARTE CONTACT OR COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSIONER? UH, QUINONES I DROVE BY, BUT I REALLY COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE IT WAS GONNA BE 'CAUSE IT'S AT 2100 HEFLEY.
AND THERE WAS A BUILDING THAT'S AT 2100, BUT I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS GONNA BE LOCATED OR IF IT'S ALREADY LOCATED.
THAT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED, BUT I DID DRIVE BY.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONER MENT? SAME THING.
I, I DROVE BY THE, BUT I COULDN'T FIND THE EXACT SPOT.
I, UM, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA AS WELL.
UM, I HAD DID NOT DRIVE BY THOUGH RIGHT NOW, UM, BECAUSE I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT ALREADY.
UM, AND I DO KNOW ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES NAMED JAY.
MADAM SECRETARY OF THE NOTICES IS REQUIRED BY LAW BEEN GIVEN.
AND DO WE HAVE A COMPLETE, UH, FILE OF EXHIBITS? CORRESPONDENCE AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YES, CHAIR.
WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND
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SUMMARIZE THE ITEM FOR US.UM, YOU SHOULD, I'M JUST GONNA NOTE IT IN OUR MINUTES.
OR SHOULD I CALL IT A RECESS? IT'S UP TO YOU.
YOU CAN DO A RECESS OR YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PRESENTATION.
I, I'M GONNA CALL A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND RESUME.
UM, UH, WAS MR. MAR, UM, UH, MR. READER GOING TO BE COMING BACK? DO YOU KNOW? I BELIEVE SO.
HE MAY BE TALKING TO SOMEONE IN THE HALL OR, OKAY.
WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, AND RESUME THEN.
UH, I HEREBY CALL THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, OF, UH, TODAY, UH, MARCH 16TH, 2026.
UH, WE WERE AT THE POINT WHERE STAFF WAS GOING TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE, UH, THE PROJECT, UH, FOR THE, UH, PETROLEUM GAS STORAGE AND DISPENSING, LOCATED AT 2100 HALFLY AVENUE, PLEASE.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, THE PUBLIC.
TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING ITEM SIX, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR CERTIFICATION OF A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FOR LIQUIFIED PETROLEUM GAS, PROPANE STORAGE AND DISPENSING AT 2100 LEY AVENUE.
HERE IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE SITE, UM, AND SO THE HALFWAY AVENUE IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE, AND THEN THE RAILWAY IS LOCATED BEHIND THE PROPERTY.
SO THE APPLICANT WEST AIR IS A MULTI-USE RETAIL GAS SUPPLIER, LOCATED AT 2100 HALFWAY AVENUE.
THE SITE IS LOCATED IN THE MEDIUM MANUFACTURING ZONE AND IN THE COASTAL ZONE OVERLAY.
ALL OF THESE SURROUNDING USES ARE INDUSTRIAL AND ARE WITHIN THE SAME ZONING DESIGNATION.
THE PROPERTY IS AN APPROXIMATE 88,000 SQUARE FEET, UM, AND THERE'S AN EXISTING 24,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE BUILDING.
UH, CURRENTLY WEST AIR IS ALSO OPERATING AT 2300 HALF AVENUE, SO TWO PROPERTIES SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UH, ADDITIONALLY THIS SITE IS INCLUDED ON A LIST OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS SITES.
SO IN MARCH OF 2022, AIR BARGE AND SOIL VAPOR EXTRACTION WELLS WERE INSTALLED.
REMEDIATION OF THE SITE IS ONGOING, HOWEVER, THE NEW USE WILL NOT INTERFERE WITH THE REMEDIATION.
HERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL SITE PHOTOS.
UM, SO THIS IS KIND OF THE FIRST ENTRANCE OFF OF HALF LEE, UM, FOR LIKE THE OFFICES.
AND THEN HERE IS THE SECOND ENTRANCE OFF OF HALFWAY AVENUE, WHICH LEADS TO THE PAVED YARD AREA.
AND THEN HERE IS A VIEW ON SITE, UM, WHERE THE PROPOSED PROPANE STORAGE WILL GO.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO INSTALL AND OPERATE A 30,000 GALLON ABOVE GROUND HORIZONTAL PROPANE TANK WITH ASSOCIATED DISPENSING EQUIPMENT.
PROPANE WILL BE DELIVERED VIA TRANSPORT TRUCKS AND TRANSPORTED DIRECTLY TO THE STORAGE TANK ONCE EVERY TWO WEEKS.
PROPANE WILL DE BE DISPENSED FOR RETAIL CUSTOMERS IN FIVE TO 25 GALLON TANKS.
UH, THE PROPOSED USE DOES REQUIRE A CUP AND A CDP.
UH, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL ALSO INCLUDE ASSOCIATED DISPENSING EQUIPMENT AND A CANOPY.
THE CURRENT USE OF THIS SITE IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN THE MM ZONE.
SO PROPANE, UM, IS A THREE CARBON ALKANE GAS.
UM, IT IS PRODUCED AS A BYPRODUCT OF NATURAL GAS PROCESSING AND CRUDE OIL REFINING.
IT IS STORED UNDER PRESSURE INSIDE A TANK AS A COLORLESS ODORLESS LIQUID.
HOWEVER, AN ODORANT IS USUALLY ADDED FOR LEAK DETECTION AS PRESSURE'S RELEASED THE LIQUID PROPANE VAPORIZES AND TURNS INTO GAS THAT IS USED IN COMBUSTION IF SPILLED OR RELEASED FROM A VEHICLE.
IT PRESENTS NO THREAT TO SOIL, SURFACE WATER, OR GROUNDWATER.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS KIND OF WHERE THE PROPANE TANK AND ASSOCIATED DISPENSING EQUIPMENT WILL BE LOCATED.
UM, AND THEN KIND OF ON THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE, UM, IS THE VAPOR EXTRACTION
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WELLS.AND THEN HERE'S ANOTHER OVERVIEW, UM, JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING THE PROPANE TANK AND DISPENSING EQUIPMENT ON THE SITE ITSELF.
AND THEN HERE IS AN UP CLOSE OF THE PROPOSED PROPANE TANK AND DISPENSING EQUIPMENT.
THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND GENERAL PLAN POLICIES.
LAND USE POLICY 6.2 REQUIRES DEVELOPMENT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING CODE, GENERAL PLANNED AND APPLICABLE SPECIFIC PLANS.
THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATION OF THE GENERAL PLAN, AND THE REQUEST TO INSTALL AND OPERATE A PROPANE STORAGE TANK IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE MM ZONE WITH THE APPROVAL OF A CUP AND A CDP.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE COASTAL ZONE, SO THE PREVIOUS LAND USE CODE, PERMITTED USES AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WOULD APPLY.
UH, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE MM MS ZONE, WHICH IS REGULATED BY CHAPTER 18 POINT 18 OF THE PREVIOUS LAND USE CODE USE GROUP 23 MEDIAN MANUFACTURING, WHICH IS AN ALLOWED USE IN THE MM ZONE PERMITS.
THE STORAGE AND DISTRIBUTION OF LIQUIFIED PETROLEUM GAS WITH THE APPROVAL OF A CUP.
THE PREVIOUS LAND USE CODE PROVIDES RULES OF OPERATION FOR THE INSTALLATION AND USE FOR THE INSTALLATION AND USE OF STORAGE AND DISPENSING FOR LPG.
THOSE OPERATIONAL STANDARDS REQUIRE CONFORMANCE WITH THE NATIONAL CITY FIRE CODES AND STATE REQUIREMENTS.
ADDITIONALLY, IT REQUIRES THE DISPENSING OF LPG TO BE BY A FULLY COMPETENT AND QUALIFIED PERSON WHO IS TRAINED IN SAFE PRACTICES FOR HANDLING DISTRIBUTION AND OPERATION.
THESE OPERATIONAL STANDARDS ARE INCLUDED IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THE PROPOSAL HAS ALSO BEEN REVIEWED FOR CONFORMANCE WITH APPLICABLE DESIGN REGULATIONS SUCH AS SETBACKS, HIGH SCREENING, ET CETERA.
SO THE BUSINESS IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY'S COASTAL ZONE OVERLAY AREA AND IS SUBJECT TO DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OUTLINED IN THE LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM.
ALL PROJECTS IN THE COASTAL ZONE THAT REQUIRE APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT MUST ALSO HAVE AN APPROVED COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
HOWEVER, THIS SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN AN AREA THAT IS TYPICALLY EXEMPT FROM COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMITS WHEN THERE IS NO CUP REQUIRED.
SINCE THE PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE COASTAL ZONE, THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL FINDINGS RELATED TO CONSISTENCY THAT ARE REQUIRED AND ARE INCLUDED IN THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION.
THE FIRST IS THE GRANTING OF SAID COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF THE PLANS AND ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, AND THE GRANTING OF THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH AND IMPLEMENTS THE CERTIFIED LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM.
CONTINUING STAFF'S ANALYSIS, UH, DUE TO THE TYPE OF USE AND THE PRESENCE OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS ON SITE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT DETAILED PLANS TO THE NATIONAL CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF THE PROPANE TANK.
THESE PLANS WILL INCLUDE AN EMERGENCY DISASTER RESPONSE PLAN, A COST RECOVERY PLAN, TRAININGS, AND COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE FIRE CODES.
IN ADDITION, THE PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO MULTIPLE FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL REGULATIONS THAT EXPLICITLY REGULATE THE SAFETY AND HANDLING OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
OPERATIONS RELATED TO THE STORAGE AND DISPENSING OF PROPANE WILL FOLLOW PROPER SAFETY AND OPERATION PROTOCOLS FROM ALL RELEVANT FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL REQUIREMENTS.
ALL OF THESE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS ARE INCLUDED AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
POTENTIAL TRAFFIC FOR THE PROPOSED USE WAS ANALYZED IN THE INITIAL STUDY.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS NOT EXPECTED TO HAVE ANY TRAFFIC RELATED IMPACTS.
HOWEVER, STAFF DID INCLUDE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRING SIGNAGE ONSITE FOR TRUCKS TO ADHERE TO APPROVED TRUCK ROUTES WITHIN THE CITY.
SO MOVING ON TO THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT AND INITIAL STUDY CHECKLIST WAS PREPARED FOR THE CUP AND CDP ORIGINALLY, THE REQUEST INCLUDED A HYDROGEN FUELING STATION.
HOWEVER, THAT REQUEST WAS REMOVED.
THE ORIGINAL INITIAL STUDY WAS POSTED FROM OCTOBER 3RD, 2025 TO NOVEMBER 3RD, 2025.
AFTER THE REMOVAL OF THE REQUEST FOR THE HYDROGEN FUELING STATION.
A NEW INITIAL STUDY WAS PREPARED FOR THE PROPANE USE ONLY, AND THAT WAS POSTED FROM DECEMBER 19TH, 2025 TO JANUARY 26.
STAFF RECEIVED ONE COMMENT RELATED TO MONITORING FOR ANY POTENTIAL DISCOVERIES FOR TRIBAL CULTURAL RESOURCES.
THAT COMMENT WAS INCLUDED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL,
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STAFF IS RECOMMENDING CERTIFICATION OF THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION BASED ON THE RESULTS OF THE INITIAL STUDY.SO TO SUMMARIZE, THE PROPOSED USE IS AN INDUSTRIAL USE AT AN EXISTING INDUSTRIAL SITE.
THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND LAND USE CODE.
THE PROJECT WAS ANALYZED FOR ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS RESULTING FROM THE PROPANE TANK STORAGE AND DISPENSING AS REQUIRED BY CQA.
AND THERE ARE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO ENSURE THE PROJECT IMPLEMENTS ALL RELEVANT FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL REQUIREMENTS FOR OPERATION OF THE PROPANE TANK AND DISPENSING EQUIPMENT.
ADDITIONALLY, ALL COMMENTS RECEIVED FROM BUILDING AND FIRE HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, AS WELL AS WE'VE INCLUDED GENERAL CONDITIONS RELATED TO CS AND CDPS.
THE OPTIONS TONIGHT ARE CERTIFY THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND APPROVE THE PROJECT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION OR OTHER CONDITIONS, UM, BASED ON THE FINDINGS, OR FIND THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT, NOT COMPLETE AND PROCESSED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF CQA AND OR DENY THE PROJECT BASED ON THE ATTACHED FINDINGS OR FINDINGS DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL IF APPROVED.
IT WILL GO AS A NOTICE OF DECISION TO CITY COUNCIL IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS.
THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
I INVITE THE APPLICANT, UH, OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THEIR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION.
SORRY, WHAT IS YOUR NAME, SIR? GOOD EVENING.
UM, I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR WEST AIR.
UH, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR LAST NAME, SIR? JOSEPH AT J-O-S-A-F-A-T.
PLEASE, UM, YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF? UH, WHAT IS YOUR NAME, SIR? UH, MY NAME'S KEITH MARTINEZ.
MARTINEZ? YES SIR, PLEASE, GENTLEMEN.
SO, UM, AS MENTIONED, UM, I'VE BEEN EMPLOYED WITH WEST AIR, UM, BASED OUTTA NATIONAL CITY FOR THE LAST 13 YEARS.
UM, AND THIS, THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, TO INSTALL THE 30,000 GALLON TANK AND PROPANE FILL, SEMI-AUTOMATIC FILL EQUIPMENT, UM, AND CANOPY.
UM, SO WEST AIR IS A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS, STARTED IN 1970 WITHIN THE SAN DIEGO AREA, EX UM, WITHIN EXEMPLARY SAFETY RECORD WITHIN THE COMPRESSED GAS INDUSTRY FOR OVER 56 YEARS.
UM, WE'VE BEEN IN NATIONAL CITY SINCE 2007, OPERATING AT 2300, UH, WEST AIR REPACKAGES, PURE ATMOSPHERE, GASES AND GAS MIXTURE, AND DOT RATED CYLINDERS AND CONTAINERS.
UH, AND WE CURRENTLY REPACKAGED PROPANE CYLINDERS MANUALLY INTO DOT RATED CYLINDERS.
UH, THIS PROJECT PROPOSES CONSTRUCTION OF A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT, THREE-SIDED METAL BUILDING AND EQUIPMENT TO REPACK REPACKAGE PROPANE CYLINDERS.
UH, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED 2100 HALF AVENUE, UM, PLAN, AND WE PLAN ON FILLING AND STORING SMALL BARBECUE SIZE PROPANE CYLINDERS FROM OUR 30,000 GALLON TANK.
UH, THE, THE SYSTEM, THE MCKEAN PROPANE CAROUSEL SYSTEM, IT'S A SEMI AUTOMATED WEIGHT-BASED FILLING SYSTEM THAT WILL INCREASE PRODUCTION WITHIN THIS PROCESS.
UM, PROPANE CYLINDERS ONCE REFILLED WILL BE TRANSPORTED ON WEST AIR VEHICLES TO DIRECT CUSTOMERS.
UH, LOCALLY, THE PROPANE STORAGE VESSEL WAS MANUFACTURED FROM CARBON STEEL AND MEETS, UH, THE NFPA 58 LI LIQUIFIED PETROLEUM GAS CODE AND OSHA 1910 DO 1 1 0 REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE OVERVIEW OF THE FACILITY, UM, THE FILL EQUIPMENT AND THE PROPANE TANK WILL BE LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND WE'LL MEET ALL NFPA 58 DISTANCE BETWEEN EXPOSURES.
UM, SOME OF THE DETAILS, THE PROPANE EQUIPMENT ENGINEERING MAG MANUFACTURED BY MCKEAN, UH, ENERGY, WHICH EMPLOYS APPROXIMATELY 4,000 PEOPLE ACROSS SIX CONTINENTS AND OPERATES IN 140 COUNTRIES.
UM, MULTIPLE MCKEAN, SEMI-AUTOMATED AUTOMATED
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FILLING SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED IN MANY STATES WITHIN THE US, UH, WHICH ARE SAFE AND RELIABLE.UM, ENVIRONMENTAL PROJECT CONCERNS, UM, PROPANE VESSEL, UM, AND SEMI-AUTOMATED FILLING SYSTEM WILL HAVE NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, AND THE PROPANE SYSTEM WILL NOT GENERATE HAZARDOUS WASTE.
IN REGARDS TO THE UNIVER UNIVAR SOLUTIONS ONGOING REMEDIAL ACTION PLAN, THE SYSTEM, UH, AND PROCESS IS STILL IN PLACE, UM, AND IT HAS REQUIRED MONITORING AND REPORTING.
UM, AGAIN, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE A DEFINITE COMPLETION DATE AS OF THIS.
AS OF THIS DAY, UH, WESTERN'S, UH, PROPANE PROJECT WILL NOT AFFECT UNIVAR ONGOING REMEDIAL ACTION PLAN.
UH, WE'RE GONNA HEAR LIVE NOW FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UM, WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.
AND I HAVE ONE DOYLE MORRISON.
UH, GOOD EVENING AGAIN, DOYLE MORRISON FOR THE RECORD.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE REMEDIATION OF THE PROPERTY IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS CLEANING UP WEST SIDE NATIONAL CITY.
AND HERE WE ARE NOT EVEN COMPLETE WITH THAT.
AND WE'RE WANTING TO PUT A 30,000 GALLON BOMB ON THE SITE.
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH AND, AND IF YOU DO A GOOGLE SEARCH, UM, ON 30,000 GALLON PROPANE TANKS EXPLODING, IT'S CATASTROPHIC.
AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT AND EVERYONE IS GONNA SAY THAT THAT WON'T HAPPEN HERE, BUT THIS IS NATIONAL CITY, AND IT SEEMS THAT WHEN SOMETHING IS GONNA HAPPEN, IT HAPPENS IN NATIONAL CITY.
IF YOU WERE TO TELL ME THAT A NAVY PERSONNEL WOULD BE ABLE TO START A SHIP FIRE IN OUR HARBOR, I WOULD SAY THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY NAVY HAS ALL THESE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
BUT WHERE DID IT HAPPEN? IT HAPPENED HERE IN NATIONAL CITY, DIDN'T IT? AND SO I'M GONNA ASK THAT THE COMMISSION, UM, LOOK LONG AND HARD AT PAST PROJECTS WHERE THEY WERE GONNA DO A TRANSFER STATION WITH PROPANE, AND THE CONCERN WAS THE 30,000 GALLON RAIL CAR, THE AND, AND THE TRANSFER IF THAT WERE TO EXPLODE LEAK OR WHATEVER.
AND THE NATIONAL CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD NO MITIGATION, UM, METHODS IN PLACE, OR THEY'RE, THEY IDENTIFIED THERE ARE NO MITIGATION, UM, ACTIVITIES THAT THEY COULD DO TO, TO MITIGATE A HUGE, UM, PROPANE LEAK OF THAT SIZE OF 30 GALLONS.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE, SO I THINK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE BROUGHT IN A LITTLE MORE.
MAYBE YOU GUYS SHOULD, UM, CONTINUE THIS UNTIL YOU CAN GET MORE INPUT FROM THE NATIONAL CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT ON HOW THEY WOULD MITIGATE NOT ONLY THE 30,000 GALLON TANK, BUT THE 30,000 GALLON TRUCK THAT'S GONNA COME FILL IT EVERY TWO WEEKS.
AND THEN I DID A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH ON PROPANE AND, AND ALTHOUGH THEY'RE, THEY'LL TELL YOU HOW SAFE IT IS, I AGREE WITH THEM.
THERE'S MORE RULES AND REGULATIONS, BUT ALL THE SMALL LITTLE TANKS ARE THE ONES THAT USUALLY HAVE PROBLEMS, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING OUT AND THEY'RE GETTING RENTED, THEY'RE GOING TO CUSTOMERS AND COMING BACK, AND THEN THEY GET DAMAGE TO 'EM.
SO I THINK THAT THAT IS ALSO AN EXPLOSION HAZARD.
AND IF YOU HAVE A SMALL EXPLOSION, IT LEADS TO A BIGGER EXPLOSION OR A A, A IMPLODING INTO A, A TANK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HAZARDS THEY'RE REMEDIATING THERE, BUT IF, IF ONE OF THOSE WERE TO LAUNCH OVER IT TO WHERE THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A, WELL, THEN YOU COULD HAVE THE EXISTING HAZARDOUS WASTE POTENTIALLY CAUSES CATASTROPHIC PROBLEM FOR THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY AS WELL.
AND SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU GUYS MAYBE CONTINUE THAT UNTIL YOU COULD GET FURTHER INFORMATION ON ALL THIS STUFF THAT I BROUGHT UP.
UH, I THINK WEST AIR IS A TOP-NOTCH COMPANY, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THIS IS A BIG HAZARD FOR THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY.
I REQUEST THE SECRETARY PROCEED WITH DISCLOSING IF ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED IN WRITING.
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WE HAD A PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, HOWEVER THE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS RECEIVED AFTER 2:00 PM FROM TED GOTCHU, WHICH I WILL POST TOMORROW MORNING.WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THE PRO ON WHAT HAS BEEN SAID SO FAR? UH, YEAH.
UH, MARTIN METER, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WE APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE 33 CONDITIONS RELATED TO, UH, FIRE, FIRE REGULATIONS.
UH, SO THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN WE USUALLY GET.
SO THEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS THUS FAR.
UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, REPRESENTATIVE WISH TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS IN RESPONSE TO, UH, PUBLIC TESTIMONY? YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES FOR A RESPONSE, SIR.
SO AT AT WEST AIR, WE, WE FOR SURE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF SAFETY, NOT ONLY FOR THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, BUT FOR OURSELVES.
I MEAN, WE WORK THERE, YOU KNOW, SO SAFETY IS ONE OF OUR TOP PRIORITIES.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE A ROBUST TRAINING SYSTEM, UH, JOB SAFETY OBSERVATIONS, WE HAVE ALL THE PROPER SAFETY, UM, EQUIPMENT NEEDED TO OPERATE THIS TYPE OF EQUIPMENT.
WE'VE HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE NATIONAL CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE FOR AT LEAST 13 YEARS FOR MYSELF.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE, WE'VE HAD AN ONGOING RELATIONSHIP WHERE THEY WOULD VISIT ON SITE, YOU KNOW, ANNOUNCE OR UNANNOUNCED.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ALWAYS WELCOME TO VISIT OUR FACILITIES.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE NOTHING, YOU KNOW, TO HIDE.
YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS YOU KNOW, WEST AIR IS A, A VERY REPUTABLE COMPANY.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T TAKE SHORTCUTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, OUR LIVES AND OUR EMPLOYEE LIVES ARE AT STAKE EVERY DAY.
SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND, UH, WE WON'T JEOPARDIZE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? GO AHEAD.
UH, AGAIN, MY NAME'S KEITH MARTINEZ.
I JUST HAPPEN TO BE THE, UH, DIRECTOR OF SAFETY QUALITY COMPLIANCE FOR WEST AIR GASES.
UM, I'VE BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY, UH, 46 YEARS, UM, HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN PROPANE.
UH, I RAN, UH, I I HAVE SOME HYDROGEN EXPERIENCE AS WELL.
SO, UM, UH, THERE IS ALWAYS INHERENT DANGERS IN REGARDS TO COMPRESSED GASES, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THE SAFETY, UH, THE, THE PROPER SAFETY AND, AND, UH, AND, AND, UH, UH, UH, OTHER, OTHER, UH, UH, TRAINING THAT, UH, THAT WE HAVE, UH, TO MITIGATE THOSE RISKS.
RIGHT? I THINK WE'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB IN, IN, IN, IN JUST NOT, UH, IN, UH, IN, UM, THE SAN DIEGO AREA, BUT THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, WE HAVE A VERY GOOD SAFETY RECORD IN REGARDS TO THAT.
WE HAVE MULTIPLE, UH, PROPANE FILLING AREAS, UH, WITHIN, UH, WITH, THEY'RE NOT AS LARGE, UH, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT, AND WE, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY INCIDENTS, SO THANK YOU.
UM, SO IN, IN RELATION TO THIS PROJECT, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE ALREADY, UH, SUBMITTED FOR PERMITTING WITH THE NATIONAL CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND, UH, BY THEIR THIRD PARTY AND APPROVED, UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE DO HOLD THAT PERMIT CURRENTLY, UM, WHAT WE ARE WAITING FOR TODAY IS, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL FROM THE COMMISSION AND THE MEMBERS OF NATIONAL CITY, YOU KNOW, TO ISSUE THE CEP.
SO WE CAN CONTINUE WITH OUR PLANS.
VERY GOOD, MR. JOSEPH? THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
DO ANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR, UH, STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER ARMINTA? THIS IS FOR STAFF.
I THINK, UM, WE'VE HEARD ABOUT A LOT OF THE SAFETY, AND I'VE READ ALL THESE, UH, CONDITIONS HERE.
UH, I'M JUST, UH, A 30,000, YOU KNOW, GALLON PROPANE TANK.
JUST MY HEAD SCREAMS DANGER, DANGER, DANGER.
UM, WORST CASE SCENARIO, UH, IF THERE WERE TO BE SOME KIND OF A LEAK OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD CAUSE A, A, LIKE A FIREBALL.
'CAUSE WHEN I, YOU KNOW, GOOGLED SOME INFORMATION, THAT'S WHAT ONE OF THE THINGS WAS A FIREBALL.
UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE RADIUS OF IT, UM, HOLDING 30,000 GALLONS.
IS THAT AN A QUESTION FOR STAFF OR APPLICANT? OH, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING STAFF MAYBE, 'CAUSE THEY, THEY PROVIDED THE REPORT, SO I'M ASSUMING THEY ASKED MAYBE
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SOMEBODY ASKED ALL THESE QUESTIONS OR THEY MIGHT HAVE THAT.I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN HERE, BUT I KNOW THERE'S ALL THESE PLANS AND TO COVER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WOULD, IS THERE LIKE A GENERAL RADIUS OF OTHER 30,000 GALLON PROPANE TANKS? I MEAN, THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO.
UH, I WOULD DIRECT YOU TO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COMMENTS IN THE INITIAL STUDY, WHICH DID LOOK AT, UH, THE POTENTIAL DANGERS OF, OF GAS STORAGE.
UH, AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS WHAT THIS COMPANY DOES.
THEY'RE ALREADY AT THIS LOCATION STORING OTHER GASES AT SMALLER VOLUMES, OF COURSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LIGHT A FIRE UNDER SOMETHING AND DON'T TOUCH IT AND LET IT BURN AND BURN AND BURN, THEN MAYBE THERE WOULD BE A PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, PROPANE IS NOT AS VOLATILE AS OTHER GASES.
UM, BUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ACTS OR PROXIMITY TO NAKED FLAMES AND, AND OTHER SOURCES OF IGNITION.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD, WOULD POINT TO.
I MEAN, WE CAN DOOMSDAY A LOT OF DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, GAS LEAKS WITH HIGH PRESSURE GAS LINES GOING ON, YOU KNOW, US STG UTILITIES THAT GO UNDERGROUND.
OBVIOUSLY THERE IS AN ODORANT THAT'S ADDED TO THE GAS ON PURPOSE TO, UH, GIVE EARLY WARNING TO FOLKS IF THERE IS, YOU KNOW, HEAVEN FORBID THERE'S A LEAK.
UH, BUT THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS OBVIOUSLY WELL AWARE OF THE DANGERS OF, OF COMPRESSED GAS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, GAS LEAKING INTO THE ATMOSPHERE.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME PREVIOUS TO THE APPLICATION PROCESS WITH THIS APPLICANT, MOSTLY BECAUSE IT INITIALLY ALSO INVOLVED HYDROGEN, WHICH HAS A WHOLE OTHER HOST OF, UH, VARIABLES.
SO NOW THAT WE'RE AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE SCALED BACK VERSION, OBVIOUSLY WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE SAME VOLUME IN THE LITTLE FIVE GALLON OR 10 GALLON OR 15 GALLON TANKS THAT WE PUT ON OUR BARBECUES.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW BIG THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY SMALL.
UH, AND THAT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARILY THE SAME ISSUE OR REQUIRE THE SAME PERMIT, OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THIS BIG DOES.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, I WOULD POINT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS, WHICH ARE INTENDED TO ASSUAGE ANY, UH, YOU KNOW, CONFIGURATION OR EMERGENCY ISSUES.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS A CASE OF EXTREME DANGER, NO WAY WE'RE NOT GONNA LET IT HAPPEN.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE THE FIRST TO KNOW, AND THEY ARE INVOLVED IN, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN, THE PLACEMENT, THE CONSTRUCTION AND ONGOING TRAINING, NOT JUST FOR THE, UH, EMPLOYEES, BUT ALSO FOR OUR, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN, THEY DO INSPECT EVERY BUSINESS YEARLY.
THEY SPEND A LOT MORE TIME DEALING WITH BUSINESSES SUCH AS THIS BECAUSE OF THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS THAT ARE ON SITE.
OKAY,
AND THESE ARE PROBABLY FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, WAS AN ALTERNATE SITE, THE, UH, REVIEWED ALTERNATE LOCATION.
COULD THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME UP TO THE, UH, PODIUM? WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR AN ALTERNATE SITE? UM, WE DID CONSIDER A LOCATION IN CHULA VISTA, BUT THE PROPERTY WAS TOO SMALL.
UM, IT'S MORE OF A RETAIL TYPE, UM, PROPERTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, 2100 WAS PURCHASED BY WEST SARAH SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY TODAY.
UM, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THERE, THERE'S NO OTHER, OTHER LOCATIONS WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
UM, THE TANK WE CURRENTLY HAVE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IN NASHVILLE CITY, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A 4,000 GALLON TANK THERE NOW AT 2300.
AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, WITH THE 4,000, HOW MANY, OR WHAT ARE THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES NOW AND HAVING A 30,000 GALLON PROPANE TANK, WOULD THAT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES? AND, UM, SO INITIALLY, UM, OUR ANTICIPATION TO OPERATE THE EQUIPMENT AND FOR DELIVERY, UH, POTENTIAL FIVE TO SIX MORE EMPLOYEES INITIALLY.
UM, WEST AIR CURRENTLY HAS, UH, 70, 70 EMPLOYEES BETWEEN TWENTY ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THREE HUNDRED TODAY.
UM, RIGHT NOW AT 2100, WE'RE JUST OPERATING OUR WAREHOUSE AND OUR, UH, STORE AND CUSTOMER SERVICE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, OBVI OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE, BUT OBVIOUSLY GROWTH WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULD, UM, LEAD US TO HIRING MORE EMPLOYEES.
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UH, UH, I CALL ON COMMISSIONER GOGI.THIS IS PROBABLY FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, THIS IS A 30,000 GALLON TANK THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
HOW MANY MORE DO YOU HAVE ELSEWHERE AT 30,000? I'M SORRY.
COULD YOU, I DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS GOING.
I TRIED TO CATCH YOU BEFORE YOU SAID THAT
SO YOU HAVE GARDEN GROVE AND OCEANSIDE NOW CURRENTLY? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG YOU'VE HAD THOSE THERE? UH, OKAY.
THOSE, THOSE ARE ACQUIRED BUSINESSES.
SO THEY'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR MANY YEARS.
OH, I KNOW WEST AIR AS WELL KNOWN, TRUST ME.
NO, I MEAN, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE PROPANE, THE PROPANE TANKS WE HAD TODAY, WE ACQUIRED THE BUSINESS.
THE PROP PROPANE TANK WAS THERE.
OH, SO THE 30,000 GALLON TANKS WERE ALREADY THERE AND OPERATING? YES.
FOR, FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS THEY WERE IN BUSINESS, BUT MANY YEARS.
UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE SALGADO.
THANK YOU GUYS CAN JUST STAY UP HERE.
UM, SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE, UM, THE CURRENT NEED FOR CONSUMERS FOR PROPANE? DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE LIKE A GUESSTIMATE OF HOW MUCH, UM, THE NEED WOULD BE? UM, WELL, TODAY, OUT OF NASHVILLE CITY ALONE, UM, WE'RE FILLING ABOUT 155 GALLON AND MAYBE 208 GALLON TANKS A DAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, TIMES FIVE, I MEAN, IT'S, AND THIS IS OUT OF THE $4,000 OR 4,004,000 GALLON TANKS? CORRECT.
NO, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK THOSE 4,000 GALLON TANKS, HOW OFTEN DO YOU REFILL THOSE? RIGHT, SO, SO THAT'S, THAT FACILITY IS FILLED THREE TIMES A WEEK OR AS NEEDED.
SO OUR, OUR, AND IT'S MANUALLY FILLED.
SO THE PRO THIS PROJECT WAS TO AUTOMATE AND TO MAKE THINGS MORE EFFICIENT AS WELL, ESPECIALLY WITH THE EQUIPMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, HAVE A, HAVE AN EASIER TIME, YOU KNOW, FILLING, FILLING, YOU KNOW, AND COMPLETING THESE, THESE TASKS.
AND HOW ARE, HOW IS THAT DELIVERED TO YOU NOW? UM, CURRENTLY OUR PROVIDER IS SUBURBAN PROPANE.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY DELIVER US, UH, VIA BOBTAIL TRUCK.
YEAH, IT'S A BULK 3,500 GALLON, UM, BOBTAIL TRUCK.
AND THEY, THEY TRANSFER INTO OUR TEAM.
AND YOU SAID THAT'S THREE TO FOUR TIMES A WEEK THAT THEY'RE COMING CURRENTLY? YES.
SO, AND THIS ONE WOULD CUT IT DOWN TO ONLY ONE TRUCK DELIVERY EVERY TWO WEEKS? CORRECT.
SO THE LOAD ON THE STREETS WOULD BE LESS CONSIDERABLY, CORRECT, YES.
UM, AND THEN HAS THERE BEEN ANY HAZARD MODELING FOR IF SOMETHING DID HAPPEN, UM, HAVE YOU GUYS LIKE GONE THROUGH THAT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, STUFF HAPPENS? UM, HAS THERE BEEN HAZARD MODELING FOR HOW YOU WOULD APPROACH THAT AND LIKE OSHA GUIDELINES AND STUFF LIKE THAT? HAVE YOU GONE THROUGH THAT? YEAH, SO FOR, UM, FOR EVERY LOCATION AT WEST AIR, UH, WE HAVE A-A-E-R-P MANUAL, UM, EMERGENCY RESPONSE PROTOCOLS THAT WE DO TRAINING ON EVERY YEAR AND FOR EVERY NEW EMPLOYEE, AND WE ACTUALLY DO THE LIVE DRILLS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THE, THE EQUIPMENT WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, EMERGENCY, EMERGENCY E STOPS.
UM, FOR THIS, FOR THIS, UM, PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, WE'LL ALSO HAVE, UM, UH, MONITOR THE, WHAT IS IT? THE LEL MONITORS? LEL LOWER EXPLOSIVE LIMIT.
SO WE'LL HAVE MONITORS THAT ARE ACTUALLY MONITORING THE AIR IN THE AREA.
SO IF SOMETHING WERE TO LEAK OR WHATEVER, IT WOULD, IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY SHUT OFF THE EQUIPMENT.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE, WE WOULD HAVE EOPS POSITION POSITION STRATEGICALLY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES IF SOMETHING SHOULD HAPPEN.
ALL THEY DO IS HIT THE E-STOP AND THEY, AND THEY GO TO OUR
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RALLY POINTS.AND SO IN REGARDS TO, UH, TO, UH, MODELING, WE, WE, WE, I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANY MODELING YET.
UH, THERE HASN'T BEEN REQUESTED.
UH, WE HAVE HAD SOME MODELING.
WE WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE PUTTING A, UH, UH, LARGE LIQUID HYDROGEN, UH, STORAGE VESSEL IN LONG BEACH.
WE HAD TO PERFORM THAT BECAUSE IT WAS REQUIRED.
UH, BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY QUOTE MODELING IN REGARDS TO THAT.
SO I WANTED TO ANSWER YOUR, YOUR QUESTION.
AND THEN, UM, TO ONE OF THE, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, IF THERE WERE SOMEBODY, SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE BRINGING THEIR, UM, UH, THEIR PROPANE TANKS, THEIR FIVE GALLON, THEIR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, UM, TO COME GET FILLED FROM YOU.
WHAT ARE THE PROTOCOLS ALREADY IN PLACE NOW SINCE YOU'RE ALREADY DOING THAT? IT'S JUST A LARGER STORAGE FACILITY.
UM, WHAT ARE THE PROTOCOLS IN PLACE FOR SOMEBODY BRINGING IN, SAY, A PROPANE TANK THAT IS DAMAGED OR ABLE TO FILL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? CAN YOU CLARIFY? YEAH.
SO DOT REQUIRES US TO, UH, TO PERFORM A PRE-FILLED CHECK.
SO IT HAS TO MEET A CERTAIN CRITERIA.
UM, WE HAVE TO CHECK THE TEST DATE.
I DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH ALL OF IT, RIGHT.
BUT, UH, WE HAVE TO CHECK TEST DATE IT, THERE, THERE REQUALIFIED EVERY CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEARS, DEPENDING ON IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE STEEL.
IF THEY'RE, UH, IF THEY'RE FIBER WRAPPED, THEN THEY HAVE A LIFESPAN OF, I BELIEVE, 15 YEARS AFTER THAT, THEY SCRAP 'EM.
UH, AND, UH, AND IF THERE'S ANY, ANY ISSUES FOUND, EVEN THOUGH THAT THEY'RE LIKE, WE CALL WHAT WE CONSIDER CUSTOMER OWNED, THEY OWN THE CYLINDER, WE'RE JUST GONNA FILL IT FOR EM.
AND WHAT ARE THE DIMENSIONS OF THE NEW TANK? UH, THE 30,000 GALLON TANK? YES.
UM, DO YOU GUYS HAVE, DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO THINK.
SO A 4,000 GALLON TANK IS PROBABLY FROM MAYBE THAT WALL TO THE PODIUM AND BIG AND AROUND, OR IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE OPERATING AT OF NOW? I WOULD SAY EARLIER.
DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT THERE WAS A, UM, A, A 30,000 GALLON DELIVERY TRUCK THAT WOULD BRING THE, THE GAS? I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A 30,000 GALLON, NO, I THINK IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE LITTLE LESS THAN THAT, BUT IT, FOR THE DELIVERY TRUCK ITSELF.
THINK, UH, SO ABOUT THE SIZE OF A, YEAH.
OF A, AND WE SEE THOSE ON THE FREEWAYS EVERY DAY.
AND THEN, UM, WHERE IS THE PROPANE COMING FROM? WHERE IS IT BEING DELIVERED FROM? IS IT FROM LA SUBURBAN, RIVERSIDE SUBURBAN, PROPANE SUBURBAN? IN ESCONDIDO.
SO IT'S LOCAL HERE TO SAN DIEGO.
UM, THIS 30,000 GALLON TANK, UH, WILL THERE BE DELIVERIES TO PLACES LIKE HOME DEPOT OR WALMART, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY, I KNOW A MARGA HAS THESE STANDS WHERE YOU CAN GO IN AND THROUGH A VERY COMPLICATED PROCESS THAT I REALLY HATE.
YOU CAN BRING YOUR OLD ONE AND IT'S GOT A BIG CAROUSEL AND YOU PULL ONE OUT AND YOU PUT ANOTHER IN, AND IT SORT OF ARE, DO YOU GUYS DELIVER TO THOSE KINDS OF FACILITIES AS WELL? UM, A LOT OF OUR DELIVERIES TODAY ARE, UM, I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC CUSTOMER LIST, BUT A LOT OF 'EM ARE THE LOCAL SHIPYARDS, UM, AREAS IN NATIONAL CITY.
I MEAN, WE, WE DELIVER AS FAR NORTH IS OCEANSIDE A LITTLE BIT PAST THAT.
UH, BUT WE'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND, AND WE DO, WE DO HAVE SOME ACCOUNTS, UM, NOT NECESSARILY LIKE RETAILERS, LIKE A WALMART OR HOME DEPOT.
UM, I BELIEVE BLUE RHINO HAS THAT ACCOUNT.
SO, UM, PRIMARILY AT THIS FACILITY, UM, I COULD COME IN WITH AN EMPTY FIVE GALLON OR EIGHT GALLON TANK AND YOU WOULD FILL IT UP FOR ME.
UH, THE SECOND QUESTION, UM, BESIDES THE LOCATION IN OCEANSIDE, YOU SAID THERE'S A 30,000 GALLON TANK.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMPANIES IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY THAT HAVE THIS SIZE OF A OR EVEN BIGGER TANKS, UH, PRO PROPANE TANKS, UM, THAT YOU MIGHT THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? NOT JUST YOUR COMPANY, BUT ANY, YEAH, ANY OTHER COMPANY.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, UH, LIKE RHINO OR A MARGA, THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME KIND OF
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A SYSTEM WHERE THEY FILL THOSE TANKS.I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A 30,000 GALLON TANK OR 4,000 THERE.
THERE IS ONE I CAN'T, IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY THAT I VISITED, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE NAME.
WE WERE LOOKING AT THEIR FILL EQUIPMENT AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, AND I'M ASKING BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO KNOW, HAVE THESE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME? YOU SAID THE ONE IN OCEANSIDE IS, YOU BOUGHT THAT ONE AS IS, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE, THAT THAT WAS, THAT COMPANY WAS CALLED PREMIER PATIO.
I'D HAVE TO LOOK UP THEIR HISTORY, BUT I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
THEY, THEY SERVICE THE, THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRIES WITH, UH, PROPANE AND PROPANE HEATERS.
THEY DO A LOT OF THAT AS WELL.
I, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
I, OH, UH, COMMISSIONER ARMINTA, UH, THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS.
UH, THE TRUCKS THAT COME TO DELIVER THE PROPANE OR COME BRING IT IN OR TAKE IT OUT, ARE THEY PART OF, UH, WEST AIR? NO, THEY'RE A THIRD PARTY.
AND HOW DO YOU, DO YOU GUYS LIKE SAFETY CHECK THOSE? AND THE ONLY REASON I ASK, 'CAUSE I JUST DID A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH FOR THE, THE RECENT, ANY RECENT, UH, PROPANE, UM, FIRES, AND THERE'S A TWO IN NOVEMBER, ONE LANCASTER ANTELOPE VALLEY, AND THE MOST RECENT ONE IN SOUTH EL MONTE, AND THEY WERE ALL ON THE PROPANE PROPERTY, AND THEY WERE ALL STARTED BECAUSE THERE WAS A, A FIRE IN THE TRUCK, AND THEN IT SPREAD, YOU KNOW, TO PROPANE TANKS ON THE PROPERTY.
SO HOW, UH, WOULD THAT BE MEDIATED? UH, WHAT'S THEIR PROPERTY? YEAH.
WELL, UH, THERE'S CERTAIN PROTOCOL THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE GONNA, WE, WE, WE HAVE IN TODAY.
SO WHENEVER THE TRUCK BACKS UP, UH, THE, THE TRUCKS OBVIOUSLY SHUT OFF.
THE KEYS ARE OUT OF THE VEHICLE.
THE, THE CHOP, THEY CHALK THE, THE WHEELS TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T, UH, ROLL.
THEY, UH, THEY, UM, THEY PUT THE, THE GROUNDING CLAMP ON TO MAKE SURE IT'S GROUNDED.
RIGHT? THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT, UH, THAT, UH, ARE PRETTY COMMON IN THE INDUSTRY.
AND I'M GUESSING, AND IT IS JUST A SIMPLE GUESS.
UM, I THINK THAT ONE OR MORE OF THOSE PROTOCOLS WEREN'T FOLLOWED IN REGARDS TO THAT.
UH, BUT, BUT WE, WE WE'RE DOING THAT TODAY.
WE'RE, WE'RE COMING IN THREE TIMES.
UH, A THIRD PARTY IS COMING IN THREE TIMES A WEEK FILLING OUR VESSEL, AND WE'RE FOLLOWING THAT, THAT SAME PROTOCOL.
WE'LL DO THE SAME THING AT 2100.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? THIS IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE SALGADO AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARMENTA TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
UH, VICE CHAIR, YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD? OKAY.
THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS TO SIMPLY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIED WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONERS.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES? OKAY.
UH, IS THERE A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION THAT WOULD LIKE TO BRING A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL? COMMISSIONER GOGI.
NO, IT, THE MOTION, UH, WAS FROM COMMISSIONER GOGI, PLEASE, RATHER THAN CASTLE, I'M SORRY.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UH, COMMISSIONER GOGI AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE SALGADO TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026 DASH ZERO THREE.
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY, OF THE NATIONAL CITY CALIFORNIA CERTIFYING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FOR LIQUI, EXCUSE ME, LIQUEFY PETROLEUM GAS, PROPANE STORAGE, AND DISPENSE, UH, AND DISPENSING LOCATION.
UM, LOCATED AT 2100 HALFWAY AVENUE IN THE COASTAL ZONE CASE FILE NUMBER 2025 DASH 26 C-U-P-C-D-P-I-S-A-P-N
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IS 5 5 9 DASH 0 4 0 0 8 0 1.BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, COMMISSIONER GOGI HAS THE FIRST CHANCE TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NOW WE WILL VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M SORRY THAT NO, IT'S OKAY.
THAT WEST AIR HAS BEEN IN NATIONAL CITY AND SHOWN A GOOD TRACK RECORD.
UM, SO I THINK IN SUPPORTING THEM IN THEIR ENDEAVORS, I THINK THEY'RE TAKING ALL THE RIGHT PRECAUTIONS TO LOOK OUT FOR THE RESIDENTS.
IS THERE A CONFLICT? THANK YOU.
FRIENDSHIP BETWEEN THEM? UM, I HAVE NOT TALKED TO HIM IN PROBABLY OVER TWO YEARS.
ALL, ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE PODIUM.
AND THE, AND THIS HAS BEEN CLOSED AS IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE QUESTION TO BE ANSWERED.
UH, WE WILL NOW VOTE, UM, ON THE MOTION.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE MOTION CARRIED BY THREE YESS AND TWO NOS BY COMMISSIONER MENTA AND COMMISSIONER KIONE.
UH, THAT CONCLUDES THE DISCUSSION ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
[7. Determination that the project is Categorically Exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) Under Class 5 of the CEQA Guidelines Section 15305 (Minor Alterations in Land Use Limitations) and Planned Development for Reduced Rear Yard Setbacks within a 10- lot Subdivision located at 3410 Valley Road. Case File No.: 2025-36 PD APNS: 591-100-21 & 591-100-31]
NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN.UH, DO WE NEED ANOTHER, UM, RECESS? NO, WE'RE FINE.
ITEM SEVEN, PUBLIC HEARING DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
CA UNDER CLASS FIVE OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 5, MINOR ALTERATIONS TO LAND USE LIMITATIONS AND DEVELOP, EXCUSE ME, AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FOR REDUCED REAR YARD SETBACKS WITHIN A 10 LOT SUBDIVISION LOCATED AT 34 10 VALLEY ROAD.
UH, ARE THERE ANY DISCLOSURES BY ANY OF THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS? UH, I WISH TO DISCLOSE THAT I DRIVE BY THERE ALMOST EVERY DAY, EVERY TIME I HAVE TO GO OVER TO, UH, THE 54.
UM, AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY, UH, MADAM SECRETARY OF THE NOTICES AS REQUIRED BY LAW BEEN GIVEN.
AND DO WE HAVE THE COMPLETE FILE OF EXHIBITS, CORRESPONDENCE AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YES, CHAIR.
WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM FOR US.
GOOD EVENING CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
ONCE AGAIN, MY NAME IS DAVID WELCH WITH THE PLANNING DIVISION.
UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, REQUESTING REDUCED THREE YARD SETBACKS AT ATTEND LOT RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION AT 34 10 VALLEY ROAD.
UM, LET'S GET RIGHT INTO THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SITE.
UH, THIS PROPERTY IS SOUTH OF STATE ROUTE 54.
IT'S ADJACENT TO PLAZA BONITA CENTER WAY.
UH, THE ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY IS RS TWO SMALL LAB RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S A LOW MEDIUM DENSITY LAND USE IN OUR GENERAL PLAN.
UH, THE TWO AND A HALF ACRES WE'RE ORIGINALLY COMPRISED OF TWO PARCELS.
IT ACTUALLY, UM, STILL EXISTS IN THAT CONFIGURATION.
UM, IT WAS DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S STILL THERE, IF IT'S BEEN DEMOED AT THIS TIME.
UM, THE SURROUNDING AREA IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN THE UNINCORPORATED SECTIONS OF THE COUNTY.
UM, THERE'S ALSO MORE MEDIUM DENSITY, UH, RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE CITY TO THE WEST.
UM, THERE IS A 10 LOT SUBDIVISION THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF RECORDING A FINAL MAP.
UH, SO AGAIN, THAT'S NOT COMPLETED.
UH, TENTATIVE MAP WAS APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2023, SO THEY'VE STILL BEEN WORKING ON THAT.
UH, PROJECT WAS ALSO, OR THE PROJECT AREA WAS ALSO ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, UH, BACK IN MARCH OF 2024.
AND ORIGINALLY, UH, WHEN THE SUBDIVISION CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, UH, THERE WAS CEA DOCUMENTATION ATTACHED WITH IT, WHICH INCLUDED A MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION, UH, WITH, UH, SPECIFIC MITIGATION MEASURES THAT WERE APPROVED.
HERE'S AN OVERHEAD OF THE SITE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE PARCEL LINES, UH, IT WAS AND IS THE TWO LARGER PARCELS.
EVENTUALLY IT WILL BECOME 10 SMALLER PARCELS.
UH, ANOTHER OVERVIEW OF THE SITE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE OLD HOUSE WAS RIGHT ALONG THE STREET THERE.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PROPOSAL.
UM, THIS IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT REQUEST FOR A TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING 15 FOOT REAR YARD SETBACKS ON THE EASTERN HALF OF THE SITE, SO ONLY THE LOTS THAT ARE FACING TO THE EAST.
UM, WHEN THE TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP AND
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ANNEXATION PROJECT CAME TO PLANNING DIVISION, THE APPLICANT DID INCLUDE AN EXHIBIT THAT TALKED ABOUT THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT REQUEST.UH, HOWEVER, UM, WE NEVER ADDRESSED THAT REQUEST OR EVEN TOOK IN FEES FOR THAT REQUEST.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, CORRECTING THAT OMISSION TODAY.
UM, AS FAR AS LOOKING AT THIS IN TERMS OF, UH, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED, UM, WITH THE ANNEXATION, IT'S NOW IN THE RS TWO ZONE, WHICH, WHICH IT WAS PREZONED FOR.
UM, THAT ZONE HAS EXISTING 25 FOOT YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO HAVE, UH, SOMEWHAT LARGER RESIDENCES.
THEY'RE MORE OF A CONTEMPORARY STYLE, I THINK THEY SAID COASTAL MODERN, UH, MORE OF AN OPEN FLOOR PLAN, WHICH LEADS TO KIND OF LARGER FOOTPRINTS.
UM, WE'RE REALLY ONLY TALKING ABOUT PARCELS ONE THROUGH 10.
UH, THEY RANGE BETWEEN 5,005 AND 6,666 SQUARE FEET.
THESE ALL CONFORM WITH MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS IN THE ZONE.
AGAIN, THEY'RE TO BE DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, EACH OF WHICH IS, I BELIEVE, PROPOSED TO HAVE A DU UH, BUILDING PERMIT PERMITS WERE SUBMITTED, BUT THE REVIEW IS NOT COMPLETE, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, THERE ARE THREE OTHER PARCELS IN THIS SUBDIVISION.
UH, DURING THE, UH, REVIEW PHASE, UH, IT WAS REQUIRED TO HAVE A SECOND ENTRY ONTO PLAUS BONITA CENTER WAY.
UH, SO THERE'S A SECOND AXIS TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, PARCEL B IS THE BIOFILTRATION BASIN.
THIS IS TO ESSENTIALLY PROTECT, UH, PARCEL C, THE COMMON SPACE FROM STORMWATER, MAKE SURE IT'S FILTERED PROPERLY.
AND PARCEL C ALSO INCLUDES A PROTECTED, UH, WETLAND AREA, WHICH IS BUFFERED.
UM, AND WE SHOULD SEE THAT REAL QUICK.
UM, I MAINLY AM HIGHLIGHTING THE 15 FOOT YARD SETBACK.
UH, YOU CAN SEE, UH, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT LOT 6, 7, 8, 9, AND 10.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS AN OUTLINE OF, OF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONSTRUCT.
THEY'RE CLOSER TO THAT REGARD, SETBACK OR REAR REGARD PROPERTY LINE THAN WHAT WOULD ORDINARILY BE ALLOWED.
UM, THE OTHER FIVE RESIDENTIAL LOTS ONE THROUGH FIVE ARE COMPLIANT WITH THAT 25 FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THAT EXHIBIT, UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE TOPOGRAPHIC CHANGES.
THAT'S WHERE, UH, A WETLAND STREAM PASSES THROUGH THE SITE.
AND THEN, UM, PARCEL B, UM, KIND OF WHERE THE ENTRY ON THE RIGHT IS, UH, THAT'S WHERE FILTRATION WOULD TAKE PLACE TO PROTECT THE STREAM WITH THE SUBDIVISION.
WE DID GET A PUBLIC COMMENT RELATED TO, UH, NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AND, AND, UH, THERE WAS SOME, SOME, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, MY BEST ESTIMATE OF WHERE THAT'S LOCATED, IT IS KIND OF ON THE EXHIBIT THAT'S THAT PURPLE LINE THERE IS KIND OF WHERE THEIR PROPERTY OR THE CONSTRUCTED PART OF THEIR PROPERTY EXISTS.
UM, THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, UH, ONCE AGAIN, THE ZONE ALLOWS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AND ADUS, UH, WHICH IN THIS CASE THEY'RE PROPOSING ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE PER BUILDABLE PARCEL.
UM, BUILDING PERMITS WERE SUBMITTED.
I EXPECT A LOT OF CHANGES AS THEY GO THROUGH THE REVIEW PERIOD.
UM, PROJECT WOULD PROVIDE FOR 10 NEW HOME HOMEOWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES IN THE CITY, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT RARE.
UM, MOVING ON TO, INTO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
UH, IN ORDER TO, TO APPLY FOR THIS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PROJECT AREA OF ONE ACRE OR MORE.
IN THIS CASE, IT'S TWO AND A HALF ACRES.
SO IT'S A FAIRLY LARGE DEVELOPMENT SITE BY NATIONAL CITY STANDARDS.
UM, THIS ALLOWS FOR GREATER FLEXIBILITY, UH, FROM STRICT, STRICT APPLICATION REGULATIONS THAN WOULD BE TYPICALLY ALLOWED UNDER VARIANCE PROCESS.
SO IT'S MEANT TO PROVIDE MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN THE VARIANCE PROCEDURE.
MOVING ON TO, INTO THE DESIGN OF THIS PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION, UM, AS I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE LOT HAS A PROTECTIVE STREAM AS WELL AS THE STORMWATER RETENTION TO PROVIDE FURTHER PROTECTION.
UH, SO A KIND OF A BIG CHUNK OF THE PROPERTIES IS ALREADY TAKEN UP.
UM, THE DESIGN OF THE SUBDIVISION IS ESSENTIALLY A DOUBLE LOADED PRIVATE STREET.
UH, THIS WILL RESTRICT ACCESS TO PLAZA BONITA CENTER WAY.
WE DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF DRIVEWAYS ONTO A BUSY STREET.
UM, APPLICANT STILL MEETS MINIMUM LAW AREA, UM, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AREA TAKEN UP BY THE STORM WATER AND THE STREAM.
UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THE OVERALL DEPTH OF THE SITE GOING FROM PLAZA BINO CENTER WAY TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THE DOUBLE LOADED, UH, PRIVATE STREET RESULTS IN LOT DEPTHS THAT ARE A LITTLE SMALLER THAN WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE IN NATIONAL
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CITY.UH, ALL THESE LOTS ARE JUST UNDER 90 FEET DEEP VERSUS NORMALLY IN, IN A LOT OF THE BUILT UP AREAS IN THE CITY, YOU SEE LOTS THAT ARE MORE 50 TO A HUNDRED RECTANGLES.
SO A HUNDRED FEET DEEP OR MORE IS, IS MORE COMMON IN THE CITY.
UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT DOES DESIRE TO BUILD LARGE OPEN FLOOR CONTEMPORARY DESIGN.
SO KIND OF A DIFFERENT PRODUCT THAN WE'RE USED TO HERE IN NATIONAL CITY.
GETTING INTO A, A VERY SPECIFIC SECTION OF THE LAND USE CODE, I'M ONLY HIGHLIGHTING THIS BECAUSE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS ONLY REALLY MAKING ONE SMALL REQUEST UNDER THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
SO IT SAYS IN THIS SECTION, SPECIAL SETBACKS MAY BE REQUESTED BASED ON THE DESIGN IN RELATION TO BUILDINGS TO EACH OTHER AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.
SO FOR THE CONSTRUCTED BUILDINGS, HOW DO THEY SIT ON THE SITE? HOW ARE THEY DESIGNED TO LOOK AND HOW DO THEY RELATE TO EACH OTHER? SO THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT'S RECENTLY ANNEXED IS SURROUNDED BY RURAL LARGE LOT DEVELOPMENT ON THREE SIDES TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, AND EAST, SURROUNDED BY COUNTY ESSENTIALLY.
UH, THE OTHER FRONTAGE IS A BUSY ROADWAY PLAZA BONITA CENTER WAY.
SO IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE A SOMEWHAT ISOLATED DEVELOPMENT, THIS VERY LITTLE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT CONTEXT THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY HAVE IN THE RS TWO ZONE TO TAKE DESIGN CUES FROM.
SO STAFF'S OPINION IS, GIVEN THE ISOLATED CONTEXT, IT'S AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT SOMEWHAT DEVIATES FROM WHAT WE'RE USED TO.
UM, ALL OTHER, ALL OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OTHER THAN THAT REAR YARD SETBACK ARE BEING MAINTAINED BY THIS PROPOSAL.
MOVING ON TO THE GENERAL PLAN, UH, ITS DESIGNATION IS LOW, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL UP TO NINE UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, THE LOT SIZES ARE LARGER THAN THE REQUIRED MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR THE 10 LOTS.
UM, ADU IS A PERMITTED AS AN ACCESSORY USE THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN DENSITY.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ONE PARTICULAR GENERAL PLAN POLICY, WHICH IS, UH, HOUSING ELEMENT POLICY 5.4.
UH, SUPPORT INCREASED HOME OWNERSHIP ACROSS ALL INCOME LEVELS FOR NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS.
SO A LOT OF TIMES WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABILITY.
THIS WOULD BE A OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE LARGER HOMES THAT PROVIDE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROJECT AS WELL.
UM, UNDER THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UH, AN EXEMPTION THAT WE DON'T SEE VERY OFTEN.
CLASS FIVE, SECTION 15, 3 0 5, MINOR ALTERATIONS AND LAND USE LIMITATIONS.
UH, SETBACKS ARE KIND OF EXPLICITLY ADDRESSED IN THIS EXEMPTION.
UM, THE EXEMPTION ALSO TALKS ABOUT NOT HAVING ANY CHANGES IN LAND USE OR DENSITY, WHICH IS ALSO THE CASE.
SAME DENSITY, SAME PROPOSAL FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES PREVIOUSLY UNDER SQL.
WE DID HAVE, UH, THE MI MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATION, UH, RELATED TO THE SENATE TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2023.
THERE WERE, UH, FIVE DIFFERENT MITIGATION MEASURES THAT WERE ATTACHED TO THAT.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REHASH SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL WORK THAT WAS ALREADY DONE.
UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL DEPARTMENT COMMENTS.
THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN REVIEWED BY, BY THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
UH, WE DID HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT CAME IN BEFORE TONIGHT'S MEETING.
UH, THEY STATED AN OPPOSITION TO, UH, THE SE A DETERMINATION PROVIDED BY STAFF FOR THE CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION.
UM, THEY ALSO STATED THAT THERE WERE SITE SPECIFIC EFFECTS THAT CREATE UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES TO NOT ALLOW THAT EXEMPTION.
UH, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE CONCERNS WERE RELATED TO LOSS OF PRIVACY, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE AESTHETICS, POTENTIAL NOISE AND CONSTRUCTION RELATED EFFECTS.
AND THAT COMMENT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN, UH, STAFF REPORT, UM, OR THE PACKET.
UM, FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, WE JUST HAVE STANDARD CONDITIONS RELATED TO NEW DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE PROJECT AREA IS STILL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS FROM THE TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT REHASHING ALL OF THAT.
UH, IN SUMMARY, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR MODIFIED SETBACKS FOR A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SUBDIVISION.
UH, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY ADDRESSING AN OMISSION FROM THE REVIEW PROCESS FROM A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
UM, THE REQUESTED 15 FOOT REAR YARD SETBACKS WOULD PROVIDE FOR MORE BUILDABLE AREA ON LOTS THAT HAS SLIGHTLY LESS DEPTH THAN WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE IN NATIONAL CITY.
UM, AND THE PREVIOUS ENTITLEMENT WAS ALREADY REVIEWED AND CONDITIONED BASED ON CITY DEPARTMENT COMMERCE OUTSIDE AGENCIES.
SO AGAIN, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO REHASH THAT AT THIS TIME.
SO OUR OPTIONS HERE TONIGHT ARE TO FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CQA AND APPROVE THE PROJECT BASED ON FINDINGS LISTED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION OR FINDINGS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION, OR FIND THE PROJECT NOT EXEMPT FROM CE QA AND OR DENY IT BASED ON FINDINGS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION.
UH, THE COMMISSION CAN ALSO VOTE TO CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
UM, SHOULD A DECISION BE RENDERED TONIGHT, A NOTICE OF DECISION WOULD BE, UH, FORWARDED TO OUR CITY COUNCIL ONCE THEY, IN A DRAWING OF WHERE THAT REQUEST WOULD TAKE PLACE.
THE REAR YARDS OF FIVE OF THE LOTS, UM, IN CONTEXT OF THE
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APPROVED TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP.THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
I INVITE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO GIVE, UH, TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THEIR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION.
I AM THE DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR THE APPLICANT ENTITY, WHICH IS, UH, VALLEY VIEW DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I JUST WANNA THANK, UH, DAVID AND MARTIN FOR ALL OF THEIR HELP AND ALL OF STAFF IN, UH, GETTING THIS TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO AS MENTIONED, THIS PROJECT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR THE, UH, SUBDIVISION, WHICH INCLUDES 10 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, ADUS, UM, PRIVATE ROAD AND ONSITE STORMWATER TREATMENT.
ADDITIONALLY, WE LEFT THE WATERWAY UNDISTURBED AND WE'RE ALSO KEEPING AN OS OPEN SPACE EASEMENT ALONG THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO THIS HEARING SEEKS APPROVAL AND MEMORIALIZATION OF THE 15 FOOT REAR YARD REDUCED SETBACK.
AND THIS IS PRIMARILY FOR FLEXIBILITY FOR US TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THESE OTHER, I WOULD SAY, OPEN SPACE AREAS THAT WE'RE KEEPING.
UM, AND YEAH, WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE DOING IT IN OUR BACKYARD.
SO I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN.
WE'LL NOW HEAR LIVE FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.
AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIPS HERE.
UH, I WOULD CALL, UM, JENNIFER SANCHEZ.
HI, I'M JENNIFER SANCHEZ AND I WANNA THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME TONIGHT.
USUALLY THIS IS WHAT MY HUSBAND DOES.
AND, UM, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.
UH, DEAR HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS THE LONGTIME HOMEOWNER
UH, THESE PHOTOS ARE JUST EXACTLY THE VIEW OUT MY FAMILY ROOM WINDOW, OR I'VE STEPPED OUT AND GONE UP TO THE FENCE AND TAKEN PHOTOS, UM, DIRECTIONS AS WE WORK THROUGH.
UH, ALL RIGHT, I STRONGLY OPPOSE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS PROJECT QUALIFIES FOR A CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION FROM CA UNDER CLASS FIVE.
THE LIST, THE EXISTING REAR YARD SETBACKS IN THIS AREA, IN THIS PROPOSED PLAN ARE ALREADY QUITE SMALL UNDER NATIONAL CITY ZONING STANDARDS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
AND, AND KEEPING IN MIND THAT THIS LOT WAS BONITA A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THIS IS A DRASTIC, VERY DRASTIC CHANGE FROM WHAT THE PROPERTY WAS.
AND IT DESTROYS MY PRIVACY AND THE SECLUSION THAT I HAVE IN MY HOME.
WE, WE WORKED HARD TO GET OUR PLACE AND WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD IN THE PAST 20 YEARS TO KEEP IT AND TO MAKE IT WHAT IT IS.
AND SINCE THEY STARTED CLEARING VEGETATION HERE LAST SUMMER, THEY'VE CLEARED OUT ALL OF OUR PRIVACY.
EVERYBODY OUT ON THAT STREET THAT'S BEHIND THAT FENCE THAT, WELL, YOU DON'T SEE CARS IN THIS PICTURE.
YOU'LL SEE SOME CARS IN, THEY LOOK DIRECTLY INTO MY HOUSE IF I'M OUT IN MY YARD.
NOW I'M EXPOSED TO ANYBODY THAT'S OUT THERE.
AND SO MY PRIVACY HAS CHANGED QUITE DRASTICALLY.
UM, FIVE OF THE CURRENTLY PLANNED HOMES ARE ALONG THIS FENCE LINE THAT BORDERS MY PROPERTY.
THE DEVELOPERS, UH, EXCUSE ME, MY LARGE FAMILY ROOM WINDOW LOOKS OUT ON THE AREA.
SO DAILY I JUST LOOK OUT THE WINDOW AND THIS IS WHAT I SEE.
UH, SOON MY NEW NEIGHBORS WILL BE LOOKING 30 SECONDS, 30 SECONDS.
UH, PRETTY SOON MY NEIGHBORS ARE GONNA BE LOOKING INTO MY HOME THROUGH THAT SAME WINDOW.
ALRIGHT, SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO CUT THROUGH A LOT OF THIS BECAUSE I HAVE 30 SECONDS AND I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE IN F MY FAVOR, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT IF YOU CHOOSE TO PROCEED WITH THESE SETBACKS, I URGE THE COMMISSION TO ONE WELL,
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TO REJECT THAT, THAT CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION.I I WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER TWO MINUTES, PLEASE.
WELL, MAYBE I'LL CONTINUE WITH THIS AND GO BACK IF I HAVE TIME.
I ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO INVESTIGATE AND HALT NON-COMPLIANT ACTIVITY IMMEDIATELY VIA, UH, VIA CODE ENFORCEMENT AND PLANNING STAFF.
THESE WORKERS HAD THEIR HEAVY EQUIPMENT OUT BEFORE SEVEN O'CLOCK ON SATURDAY MORNING.
AND, UH, YOU CAN SCROLL THROUGH PHOTOS NOW.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE YOU STAFF.
STAFF DID NOT RECEIVE ANY OTHER PHOTOS, UNFORTUNATELY.
I HAD 'EM ON A THUMB DRIVE JUST IN CASE.
AND THIRD, IF THE PLANNING, IF THE APPROVING OF THE SETBACKS, THE REDUCED SETBACKS HAPPENS AND THE CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION AND THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, UM, WE ASK THAT YOU IMPOSE THESE MANDATORY CONDITIONS.
ONE, CONSTRUCT A SOLID MASONRY WALL ALONG THE PROPERTY, ALONG THE ENTIRE COMMON PROPERTY LINE WITH, WITH MY PROPERTY AND OTHER ABUTTING LOTS WITH A MINIMUM OF EIGHT FEET ENGINEERED AND PERMIT PERMITTED.
UM, TWO, WE REQUEST THAT YOU IDENTIFY AND MAP EXISTING UTILITY EASEMENTS FROM MY WATER AND SEWER LINES.
THIS PROJECT WILL BLOCK MY ACCESS FOR SOME OF MY LOTS TO ACCESS WATER AND SEWER.
UM, PROVIDE RECORDED ASSURANCES THAT NO IMPROVEMENTS OBSTRUCT ACCESS, RESOLVE ANY POTENTIAL BLOCKAGES AT DEVELOP 30.
AND, UM, WITH UTILITY AND MY CONSENT TO PRIOR FOR FURTHER WORK.
AND, UH, THIRDLY, STRICTLY LIMIT CONSTRUCTION TO 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM WEEKDAYS.
AND, UM, IT SHOULD BE LIMIT PROHIBITED WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS AND MANDATE CONTINUOUS DUST CONTROL.
ALL THAT DUST WAS BLOWING INTO MY HOUSE.
I WAS LAYING DOWN IN BED JUST SMELLING DUST IN THE AIR SATURDAY NIGHT TIME.
I WAS LOOKING AT THAT PICTURE OF ALL THAT DUST GOING IN AND I WAS THINKING TO MYSELF, HOW ARE THEY ACTUALLY EXCAVATING WHEN THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A CQL EXEMPTION YET? I WONDER HOW MANY, UH, ITEMS THAT, UH, ANIMALS OR FAIRY SHRIMP OR WHATEVER WAS IN THAT PROPERTY THAT HAS NOW BEEN DAMAGED AND YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY DONE ON THAT, THAT THAT KIND OF IS DISAPPOINTING THAT SHE'S WORRIED ABOUT DUST COMING IN OUR HOUSE BECAUSE THEY'RE CLEARING THE LAND ALREADY WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE THIS APPROVAL YET FROM THE, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE MRS. SANCHEZ, MS. SANCHEZ AND HER HUSBAND LIVE IN THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.
AND ONE THING I DIDN'T SEE IN THE GENERAL PLAN POSTED IN STAFF'S, UM, PRESENTATION IS THAT THE NATIONAL CITY GENERAL PLAN STATES THAT ANY, UM, A BUDDING PROPERTIES THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO COORDINATE.
AND THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO ALSO HAS THAT SAME REQUIREMENT IN THEIR GENERAL PLAN.
AND YET I DON'T, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS OR THE DEVELOPER COMMUNICATED WITH BACK AND FORTH WITH THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO.
SO, YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE, NATIONAL CITY, RIGHT UP AGAINST THE COUNTY.
THAT SOUNDS REAL SIMILAR TO THE ORANGE AND SWEETWATER THAT I WAS FIGHTING BEFORE.
AND, AND THERE'S NO COORDINATION.
SO SHOULDN'T THAT COORDINATION HAPPEN BEFORE WE START STRIPPING THE LAND AND FINDING OUT THAT, THAT THE REGULATIONS THAT HAPPEN IN THE COUNTY FOR SETBACKS AND ALL THAT ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAIN RULES AND REGULATIONS THERE AND, AND YET THERE WAS NO COORDINATION.
LIKE THERE SHOULD BE SOME COORDINATION TO KEEP THE EXISTING RESIDENTS OF THE A BUDDING COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, THEY PAID FOR, FOR THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY HAVE SETBACKS AND REGULATIONS, BUT YET NATIONAL CITY COMES IN AND YOU JUST GIVE IT AWAY.
YOU JUST SHORTEN THE SETBACKS.
UH, WHY DON'T YOU JUST SAY, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY.
WHY DON'T YOU JUST ACTUALLY KEEP THE SETBACKS? DON'T HAVE SPECIAL RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT YOU ALLOW THEM TO
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DO.AND, AND IT NOW, IT, IT COMPLIES WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, IF NOT 30 SECONDS.
YOU GUYS ARE JUST RUINING NEIGHBORHOODS LEFT AND RIGHT.
AND YOU GUYS, IF YOU GUYS DON'T CONTINUE THIS, IF YOU GUYS DON'T TURN THIS DOWN, YOU GUYS ARE JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S OKAY.
NATIONAL CITY DOESN'T CARE IF YOU GO IN AND STRIP LAND IF YOU JUST A BUTT RIGHT UP TO SOMEONE ELSE AND, AND PUT A PROPER, YOU KNOW, RIGHT ON THE, ON THE BOUNDARY, THE VERY MINIMUM.
OH, LET'S GIVE YOU A VARIANCE AND EVEN, AND EVEN GET CLOSER, YOU'RE RUINING PEOPLE'S LIVES ALL OVER AROUND NATIONAL CITY WHEN YOU COME UP A BUTTING.
I REQUEST THE SECRETARY PROCEED WITH DISCLOSING IF ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED IN WRITING.
WE DID, AND IT WAS POSTED ONLINE AS WELL AS, UM, PROVIDED TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT.
THAT IS THE LETTER FROM MR. UH, ROBERTO SANCHEZ.
AND MS. JENNIFER SANCHEZ AS WELL.
UH, WOULD STAFF LIKE TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? UH, ONLY COMMENT STAFF HAS IS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY KINDA ADDRESSED SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP DURING THE TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP, UH, REVIEW AND THE ANNEXATION THAT WERE ALREADY APPROVED.
UH, AND JUST TO KIND OF BEAR IN MIND THAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE REAR ROAD SETBACK AT THIS TIME.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD THERE IS, UM, JUST AS FAR AS TIMING THIS, THE PROJECT HAS GENERALLY BEEN APPROVED UP TO WHERE THEY ARE NOW.
IT'S JUST THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY DO HAVE A GRADING PERMIT, WHICH MEANS THEY DO HAVE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY NEED TO FOLLOW WITH REGARD TO DUST CONTROL AND OTHER THINGS.
SO WE WILL CERTAINLY, UH, TALK TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND REPORT BACK, UH, TO CODE ENFORCEMENT.
UH, YEAH, IT WOULD BE A, IT WOULD BE AN ENFORCEMENT THROUGH, UH, THROUGH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
WE WILL ADDRESS THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMPLIANT.
UH, AND ANY CONSTRUCTION OBVIOUSLY HAS TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME OUTLINED IN THE CODE.
SO WE WILL AGAIN CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
AND, UH, YEAH, AND JUST, I'M ABSOLUTELY NOT PICKING ON MR. MARTIN WHATSOEVER.
I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS RELATED TO OUTREACH.
I MEAN, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK DONE AS PART OF THE ANNEXATION PROCESS, WHICH DID INVOLVE THE COUNTY.
WE HAD, WE SPOKE WITH LAFCO, WE HAD COMMENTS FROM THE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND LAND USE.
WE DID GET PUBLIC COMMENT AS PART OF THIS AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
THIS IS ONLY FOR THE, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE EXTRA 10 FEET OF SETBACK THAT'S BEING REQUESTED.
BUT WE DO APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND I'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION TO, UH, ANY INTEREST PARTIES IF THEY WANT TO CONTACT ME, UH, HERE AT THE OFFICE.
UH, DOES THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WISH TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YES, PLEASE.
UM, YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY A LOT OF THEM.
SO, BECAUSE THIS HEARING IS PRIMARILY IN REGARDS TO THE REDUCED SETBACK, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE WASN'T SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LEGWORK AND FINDINGS, UH, MITIGATED NEGATIVE DECLARATIONS FROM SQL PROVIDED THAT LED US TO THIS POINT.
UM, SO THE, THE WORK AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES, NONE OF IT TO DATE REQUIRES A PERMIT.
RIGHT? AND DUE TO THE RECENT RAIN EVENTS, THERE WAS SOME OVERGROWN FOLIAGE, SO WE SIMPLY HAD THOSE REMOVED.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE IN GOOGLE EARTH, THAT SITE HAS BEEN PRIMARILY CLEARED FOR YEARS.
SO IT'S NOTHING THAT INVOLVES GRADING AND EARTH MOVING.
IT WAS SIMPLY TO REMOVE FOLIAGE.
AND WHEN GRADING BEGINS, WE DO HAVE A BMP AND STORMWATER TREATMENT PLAN THAT IS GONNA GO INTO EFFECT SILK SCREENING AROUND THE WHOLE SITE.
SANDBAGS, UH, TRUCK OUTS FOR THE TRUCKS, I MEAN, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
THE GUYS THEY KNOW TO WORK FROM SET TIME TO A SET TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT CHANGE CAN BE UNCOMFORTABLE FOR SOME PEOPLE, BUT I MEAN, THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO PROVIDE HOUSING AND REALLY ADDRESS THE HOUSING SHORTAGE, RIGHT? YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE MORE SUPPLY AND YES, OUR, OUR MINIMUM LOT DEPTH DOESN'T MEET THE STANDARD.
HOWEVER, I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE MINIMUM, ALL OF THE MINIMUM LOT SIZES DO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIRED ZONE.
SO IT REALLY IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT 90, APPROXIMATELY 90 FEET ON THE DEPTH.
HOWEVER, OUR AVERAGES WHERE THE 50 FOOT WIDTH IS REQUIRED, WE'RE AVERAGING 55 TO 65 FEET.
SO WE MAKE IT UP IN OTHER AREAS.
AND THEN, UH, LASTLY, I, I MEAN WE SPOKE TO ROBERTO, THE NEIGHBOR FOR SOME TIME, AND I MEAN, HE WAS INTERESTED IN SELLING US HIS SITE.
I THINK THIS MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, MORE AS A RESULT OF OUR
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UNWILLINGNESS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PURCHASE.BUT THAT IS ALL, UH, AND I WELCOME ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, DO ANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER ARMA? SORRY, GUYS, PLEASE.
UH, ONE, ONE OTHER CHANGE THAT I'M VERY EXCITED TO SHARE, UH, LIKE DAVID MENTIONED, THE HOMES WERE ORIGINALLY DESIGNED IN A CONTEMPORARY STYLE, HOWEVER, RECENT CHANGES HAVE, UH, ADJUSTED THEM TO A MORE SPANISH STYLE.
SO I THINK THAT'LL BE WELL RECEIVED IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT WAS AS A RESULT OF JUST FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, INTERESTED PARTIES AND AS WELL AS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
SO COMMISSIONER ARMINTA, UH, WHAT THIS IS PROBABLY FOR, UM, THE APPLICANT.
UH, THE CONCERN ON THE PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT, UH, BY MRS. SANCHEZ WAS, UH, THE FENCING, RIGHT? SO, UM, IF MOVING FORWARD, IF WE DO APPROVE THE, UM, THE SETBACK YOU'RE ASKING FOR, UH, WAS THERE SOME COORDINATION WITH THEM ON THE, YOU PUTTING A FENCE ON YOUR PROPERTY LINE? YEAH, YEAH, SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
OUR GRADING AND IMPROVEMENT PLAN INCLUDES A, IT'S CALLED A BMP, UH, BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE FOR CONSTRUCTION SITES.
SO THE WHOLE PERIMETER OF THE SITE IS GONNA BE ENCLOSED IN A CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH A SILT FENCING ATTACHED TO IT.
SO THAT'LL HELP CONTROL ANY DUST.
THAT'S, YEAH, IT'S LIKE A SILT SCREEN THAT THEY JUST PUT ON THE TRUCK THAT DURING CONSTRUCTION, OR IS THAT ONCE EVERYTHING IS DONE, THAT'S DURING CONSTRUCTION? NO, NO.
I, I GUESS I'M, MY QUESTION IS MORE, ONCE THE HOUSE, THE HOMES ARE BUILT AH, MM-HMM
IF WE INTEND TO PUT PERIMETER FENCING, WE DO.
SO I THINK THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT PRIVACY, OUR, I MEAN, HONESTLY TEMPORARY WHILE CONSTRUCTION IS ONGOING, HOWEVER, ONCE THE HOMES ARE BUILT, I MEAN, YOU'LL HAVE, HOW DO I SAY IT? THE HOMES WILL PROVIDE PRIVACY FOR THEM AS THEY'RE GONNA OBSCURE THE VIEW FROM PLAZA MANINA CENTER WAY.
AND YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, PERIMETER FENCING, PROBABLY VINYL OR WOOD WILL BE PROVIDED FOR ADDITIONAL PRIVACY ABOUT SIX FEET.
OR DO YOU KNOW HOW TALL? YOU KNOW, FOUR FEET MINIMUM FOUR TO SIX FEET.
SO IT'LL BE ALL ALONG THE EAST SIDE, BUT ALSO BETWEEN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR PROPERTIES.
AND, AND THEN IF I CAN JUST MAKE A COM, UH, FOR MRS. SANCHEZ.
UH, MRS. SANCHEZ, ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT, UH, APP THAT NATIONAL CITY HAS? WHAT IS IT LIKE CITY CONNECTS? MRS. SANCHEZ, COULD YOU PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM? YEAH.
NATIONAL CITY HAS C CLICK FIX.
I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S ALSO CALLED NC CONNECT AS WELL.
YEAH, IT'S NATIONAL CITY CONNECT, BUT I, IT GOES BY C AS IN ICU CLICK FIX.
UH, AND IT'S, YOU CAN REPORT ANY, UH, ANY ISSUES WITH, UH, ANYTHING PARKING, UH, NUISANCE NOISE, ET CETERA.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ME DIRECTLY AS WELL.
YEAH, YOU CAN WRITE AND UPLOAD PICTURES SEVERAL TIMES.
LAST SUMMER WHEN THEY WERE HAULING IN DIRT, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY BROUGHT IN DIRT, THEY HAD MOUNTAINS OF DIRT ALL OVER THE LOTS GETTING READY.
UH, WELL AGAIN, MY NAME IS MARTIN REEDER AND I'M IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
YOU CAN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO REACH OUT TO ME ANYTIME AND I CAN POINT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IF I DUNNO THE ANSWER.
IS THAT IT? DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ORMAN? NO, NO.
UH, UH, VICE CHAIR, UH, CASTLE SALGADO? YES.
IF YOU WANNA COME BACK UP QUICK.
UM, I REMEMBER THIS WHEN IT, I'M, I WAS HERE WHEN THE ANNEXATION WAS GOING ON.
I WAS HERE DURING THE, UM, WHEN, WHEN SUBDIVISION, THE SUBDIVISION WAS GOING ON AND ALL THE QUESTIONS.
CAN YOU REMIND ME, BECAUSE I, I, I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD PUT IN THERE FOR TREES TO BE IN PLACE, UM, FOR SOME SORT OF LIKE, PRIVACY ALONG, ALONG THE BACKSIDE.
YEAH, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A, A TREES.
ARE YOU PLANNING ON PLANTING TREES, UM, FOR A BARRIER, UH, NOISE BARRIER OR FOR BARRIER FROM THE THERE'S LANDSCAPE.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY, YES, THERE ARE TREES AND THERE ARE LANDSCAPE, WASN'T THERE? LANDSCAPING LANDSCAPE PLANS ARE PROVIDED AND AS PART OF OUR, OUR, THERE WAS FENCING AND THEN THERE WAS, UM, TREES ALSO ALSO.
YEAH, THERE'S A JUST REMIND ME.
LANDSCAPE PLAN INCLUDED IN OUR, IN THE WHOLE THING IN THE PERIMETER RIGHT TOO AS WELL.
SO THAT IT WOULD FRONT YARDS, REAR
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YARDS, SIDE YARDS, UM, EVERYWHERE.DO WE HAVE A, A PICTURE OF THE, THE PLANS, UM, THAT WE'RE OF, OF WHERE THE, UM, FOLIAGE IS GOING TO BE PLACED OR THE FENCING? UH, WE DO HAVE THAT IN THE DEPARTMENT AS PART OF THE APPROVED, THE APPROVED FILE.
BUT, UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE TONIGHT 'CAUSE WE'RE JUST DEALING WITH THE, UH, WITH THE SETBACK ISSUE AT THE MOMENT.
BUT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
SO FOR, FOR STAFF, THE SETBACK, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT AFFECT ANY OF THE FENCING OR THE TREES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IF WE WERE WORKING WITH THE SETBACK? UM, PRINCIPAL PLANNER DAVID WELCH HERE, UM, I WAS NOT THE REVIEWER OF THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, I THINK, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF POINT OUT THAT THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TO PROVIDE FOR BETTER DESIGN.
AND SO I THINK IF WE HAVE A SPECIFIC CONCERN, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT, IT MIGHT BE WORTH CONSIDERING MAYBE A CONDITION RELATED TO YOUR CONCERN.
UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT RELATED TO PRIVACY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, THERE MIGHT BE A CONDITION RELATED TO MAYBE OPAQUE WALL OR FENCE, UH, SIX FEET HIGH OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE TO SATISFY ANY CONCERNS.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE ALREADY INCLUDED THAT IN A PRIOR REVIEW, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD POTENTIALLY ADD THAT TO THIS PROJECT HERE TODAY.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GOGI? ALRIGHT, MY FIRST ONE'S PROBABLY FOR STAFF.
THIS IS SOMETHING EDUCATIONAL FOR ME.
IS IT A REQUIREMENT TO GET A PERMIT, A SPECIAL WORK PERMIT FOR A WEEKEND WORKING LIKE THE SATURDAY CONSTRUCTION? SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PERMITS.
UM, A BUILDING PERMIT WAS APPLIED FOR, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT, FOR THE, THE LOTS.
HOWEVER, THE SUBDIVISION HAS NOT COMPLETED ITS APPROVAL PROCESS.
IT'S NOT RECORDED, IT'S NOT FINALED.
UH, SO NO BUILDING PERMIT CAN BE ISSUED FOR ANY, UM, NEW CONSTRUCTION HOME.
HOWEVER, UM, MOST PROJECTS IN THE CITY THAT ARE NEW CONSTRUCTION HAVE ALL THE BUILDING PERMIT AND A GRADING AND IMPROVEMENT PERMIT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS OF THAT GRADING PERMIT, UH, WILL HAVE TO TALK TO OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
UM, BUT THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY SUBSTANTIAL GRADING HAPPENING ON SITE WITHOUT A PERMIT APPROVAL FOR THAT.
SO THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT, I MEAN, THEY'RE DOING WORK RIGHT NOW ON A SATURDAY.
IS THERE NOTHING THAT WE HAVE PROOF THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT IN THEIR GRADING RIGHT NOW? UH, AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION THROUGH THE CHAIR, THE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A GRADING PERMIT AND THEY'RE SUBJECT TO THE STANDARD OF CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS, I THINK IT'S SEVEN TO SEVEN, UH, MONDAY THROUGH, I WANNA SAY IT'S SATURDAY.
I'M GONNA LOOK THAT UP IN A MINUTE, MONDAY.
BUT SUNDAYS AND HOLIDAYS, NO CONSTRUCTION AND OUTSIDE OF THE SEVEN TO SEVEN HOURS, DEFINITELY NOT.
UH, IF SATURDAYS INCLUDED IN THAT, THAT WOULD BE A STANDARD CONDITION OF, OF ANY, UM, CONSTRUCTION PERMIT, WHETHER THAT BE BUILDING PERMIT OR GRADING PERMIT.
AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING ON NOW, MOVING VEGETATION IS ONE THING.
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHATEVER PERMITS THEY HAVE.
BEARING IN MIND WHEN THE GRADING PERMIT, IF AND WHEN IT, OR IF IT'S NOT ALREADY APPROVED, ONCE THAT WORK STARTS, THERE'S GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT MOVEMENT OF DIRT.
BUT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT DIRT ISN'T, YOU KNOW, DUST ISN'T EJECTED INTO THE AIR.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S TAMPED DOWN WITH WATER, MAKE SURE THE TRUCKS DON'T TRACK DIRT OR MUD OUT INTO THE STREET AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SILT FENCING THAT WAS MENTIONED.
UH, ANY OTHER DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.
BUT AS FAR AS THE TIMES, WE DO HAVE A, A SECTION IN THE CODE RELATED TO WHEN CONSTRUCTION IS ABLE TO HAPPEN AND, UH, WE WILL ENSURE THAT THAT IS MAINTAINED.
NEXT QUESTION WOULD PROBABLY BE FOR THE APPLICANT.
I'M SORRY, I'M ASSUMING WE'LL FIND OUT IN A MINUTE,
'CAUSE IT, SAME THING HAPPENED IN MY HOUSE.
SO WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO CON HELP THE OTHER NEIGHBORS, NOT THE ONE YOU'RE BUILDING AND YOU SAID LIKE A FOUR FOOT FENCE THAT DOESN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING.
ARE YOU PLANNING ON PUTTING, I KNOW THE QUESTION CAME, BUT I DIDN'T
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GET THE ANSWER CORRECTLY.ARE YOU PLANNING ON PUTTING TREES BACK IN OR JUST FENCES? WE PLAN TO PUT A LANDSCAPE BACK IN AS WELL.
AND THEN YOUR FENCE WILL GO 4, 2, 6, CAN YOU MAKE IT SIX, SIX? I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE IT SIX.
WE HAVE NO ISSUE WITH, I MEAN, SEEN THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF A FENCE IS THE SAME AS TREES FOR PRIVACY, BUT PRIVACY IS A, A CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY FROM, FROM THE RESIDENTS.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD WANT TO KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
IN, IN MOST SUBDIVISIONS, THE, THE FENCE BETWEEN HOMES IS STANDARD SIX FOOT.
IN MOST, IN, IN ALL, MOST CITIES.
WE'RE VERY CONSCIENTIOUS OF PRIVACY, NOT JUST FOR THEM, BUT FOR US IN THE MARKETABILITY AND LIVABILITY OF THESE HOMES.
SO WHEN WE DESIGN THEM, WE ALWAYS FACTOR IN HOW CLOSE ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS GONNA BE? RIGHT? I, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE PDP, WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE GONE HIGHER DENSITY, BUT WE OPTED TO THE SAME CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
MY CONCERN WOULD BE REQUEST FOR THIS, UH, 15 FOOT, UH, SETBACK.
IS THAT GOING TO BE ENOUGH SPACE TO DO AESTHETICALLY PUTTING THINGS IN THERE? THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING.
I WOULD SAY SO, YEAH, DEFINITELY.
UM, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AS IT STANDS.
SO I MEAN, IN THE FRONT YARDS, I WANT TO SAY THAT PORTION IS OPEN SPACE WHERE WE PLAN ON PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, NEW TREES.
I KNOW IT'S NOT ONE OF OUR CONDITIONS, BUT, UH, WE ALSO KIND OF WANT TO PUT IN A LITTLE PLAYGROUND FOR THE RESIDENTS.
AND THEN ONE OTHER THING JUST TO ADDRESS THE, THE COMMENTS EARLIER ABOUT, UH, EARTH MOVING AND WHATNOT.
UM, WE DO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN SAN DIEGO CITY, AND SO WE'RE PRETTY CONSCIENTIOUS OF WHAT TRIGGERS THE GRADING PERMIT.
AND I KNOW ALL OF OUR QUANTITIES TO DATE ARE BELOW THE THRESHOLD.
AND THE GRADING PERMIT, THE ONLY THING WE'RE WAITING ON RIGHT NOW IS SWEETWATER TO SIGN OFF AND THEN THE GRADING PERMIT IS READY TO BE ISSUED AS SOON AS THE FEES ARE PAID.
AND, UH, YEAH, SWEETWATER ALSO REQUIREMENT TO PRE TO PROTECT THEIR WATER LATERALS, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS ONE OF THEIR CONCERNS.
HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? THIS IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND A SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER QUINONE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARMENTA TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, BEING THE MAKER.
COMMISSIONER QUINONE, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? NO, I DON'T.
WE WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE, UH, DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIED A UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONGST COMMISSIONERS ON THIS.
COMMISSIONER ARMINTA, ARE WE, I I GUESS I'M CONFUSED WITH, UH, SHERRY'S CONCERN ON THE PRIVACY.
DID YOU WANT TO ADD THE CONDITION OF A SIX FOOT FENCE OR NO? IS THAT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THIS PROJECT TO REQUIRE A SIX FOOT FENCE? UH, ABSOLUTELY.
WELL, I SAY ABSOLUTELY, I'D SAY YES.
UH, THERE WAS A PUBLIC COMMENT RELATED TO PRIVACY, SO REQUIRING A MINIMUM SIX FOOT HIGH FENCE SUBJECT TO ANY NECESSARY PERMIT, SIX FOOT, AND I THINK SEVEN FEET BELOW DOESN'T REQUIRE A PERMIT.
ANYTHING ABOVE THAT DOES REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT.
UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, SEVEN FEET.
SO A MINIMUM, USUALLY A MINIMUM SIX FEET WORKS, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU.
SO MINIMUM SIX FOOT OPAQUE FENCER WALL, YOU, YOU GET 1 0 7? I DON'T A MINIMUM SIX FOOT HIGH OPAQUE FENCER WALL.
WHAT IS O OPAQUE LIKE? UH, OPAQUE, UH, SOLID.
COMMISSIONER MEANT TO ANY, ANYTHING FURTHER? NO, THAT'S, NO.
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UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE SALGADO.OH, I WAS, I WAS JUST, UM, THE SAME THING.
I WAS GOING TO REQUEST A SIX FOOT FENCE BECAUSE WITH THE ADDITIONAL, OR LESS, I SHOULD SAY WITH THE, THE SETBACK, UM, IT'S GOING TO PUT IT CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE, I THINK FOR PRIVACY REASONS.
AND I THINK EVEN FOR THE OWNERS OF THE NEW PROPERTIES, THEY WOULD PREFER THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN ALSO THE, UM, JUST MAKING SURE THAT, UH, WITH THIS THERE IS NOT GOING TO, THAT THE TREES OR FOLIAGE OR WHATEVER THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IS NOT GOING TO BE CUT OUT BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE OF THE LOSS OF, OF YARD.
I KNOW YOU HAD YOUR, YOUR MIC ON.
UM, COULD I GET A CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF? THE LOCATION OF THE OPAQUE SIX FOOT HIGH FENCE OR WALL, UH, IS THAT GOING TO BE JUST THE REAR PROPERTY LINES OF THE REQUESTED SETBACK AREAS, OR ARE WE ALSO DOING ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.
JUST, UH, IN MY MIND'S EYE WOULD BE THE PERIMETER, UH, ABUTTING ANY OTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
SO YOU MAY NOT NEED A FENCE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, BUT YOU WOULD ON THE EAST AND NORTH.
AND YOU HAVE, WELL, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
I'M SORRY, I, I KIND OF WANT TO CLARIFY THOUGH, BECAUSE I'M, I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THE COMMON AREA WHERE THE WETLAND IS.
I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE, POTENTIALLY.
SO IT'D ONLY BE ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THAT'S WOULD, THAT'S IN MY MIND.
SO IT WOULD BE ALONG, UH, ANY, UM, RESIDENTIAL LOT THAT ABUTS THIS PROJECT OCCUPIED BECAUSE IT, IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE OCCUPIED SOMEDAY, SO.
IS THERE A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION THAT WOULD LIKE TO BRING A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL? SORRY, COMMISSIONER QUINONE GOGI.
I WOULD, UH, REQUEST FOR MOTION WITH THE, UH, THE PRIVACY SIX FOOT PRIVACY WALL FENCE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND I'M, I'M SORRY.
AND CONTINUE WITH THE, UH, FOLIAGE, THE TREES, WHATEVER THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE PLAN.
SO THAT'S THE, I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE, THE SUBDIVISION, CORRECT? YEAH.
ALL PREVIOUS MAP THAT WAS APPROVED BY ALL PREVIOUS, UH, CONDITIONS STILL APPLY.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOGI AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE SALGADO, UH, TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2026 DASH FOUR, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY CALIFORNIA, DETERMINING THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
CA UNDER CLASS FIVE OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 5, MINOR ALTERATIONS AND LAND USE LIMITATIONS AND APPROVING A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR REDUCED REAR YARD SETBACKS WITHIN A 10 LOT SUBDIVISION.
CASE FILE NUMBER 20 25 36 PD WITH APNS, UH, 5 9 1 DASH 121 AND 5 9 1 DASH 100 DASH 31, UH, AS AMENDED TO INCLUDE THE SIX FOOT HIGH FENCE, UH, FENCING, A LONG, UM, COMMON, UM, PROPERTY LINES BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY AND THIS PROJECT.
OKAY, I, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO STAFF TO, TO WARD SMITH THAT, UH, BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER GOGI HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER? ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? THEN WE WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
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DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.MOTION CARRIED WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
THAT CONCLUDES ALL DISCUSSION ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
[STAFF REPORTS]
UH, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO STAFF REPORTS.THANK YOU, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, IT'S A PLEASURE TO SERVE THE COMMISSION.
PRINCIPAL PLANNER WELSH, NOTHING AT THIS TIME.
GOING WITH THE COMMISSIONERS NOW, UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE SALGADO.
UH, COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA'S.
COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ HAS RESIGNED.
COMMISSIONER ES NOTHING AT THIS TIME.
UH, I WAS, UH, AT THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THE THREE OF US WHO ATTENDED THE, UH, COMMISSIONER'S PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S ACADEMY IN ANAHEIM LAST WEEK.
NONE OF US ARE QUITE PREPARED, UH, FOR TONIGHT TO GIVE THAT, BUT WE WILL GIVE, UH, A BRIEF, UM, JUST A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT WE DID, UM, IN, IN A WORD, WE ALL ENJOYED IT.
WE ENCOURAGED THE CITY TO CONTINUE DOING, UM, TO DOING THESE, UH, ESPECIALLY IF WE GET, OR ONCE WE GET THE NEW COMMISSIONER ON BOARD.
UM, ANOTHER ITEM THAT WE, UH, BROUGHT UP, THE COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE MORE TIME TO REVIEW AGENDA PACKETS AND THUS REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSIONERS RECEIVE THE MONDAY, UH, RECEIVE THE PACKETS THE MONDAY BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THAT WOULD BE LIKE A WEEK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UM, AND, UH, THAT IS A SUGGESTION, UH, MR. READER.
IS THAT POSSIBLE? UH, WE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT.
I I WILL SAY THAT GIVEN OUR TIGHT INTERNAL TIMELINES, THAT THAT'S FAIRLY DIFFICULT IN MOST CASES.
AND, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, WITH THE CITY COUNCIL FOR EXAMPLE, THAT ALSO GETS THEM, UH, THEY POTENTIALLY HAVE AN EXTRA DAY, UH, THAN YOU DO BECAUSE THEIR MEETINGS ARE ON A TUESDAY AND NOT A MONDAY.
UH, WE DO STRIVE TO GET ESPECIALLY VERY LARGE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTS TO YOU AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE AND ALSO BEARING IN MIND THAT THOSE ARE REVIEWABLE BY EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WITHIN 30 DAYS OF, OF THE HEARING AS WELL.
BUT WE TRY TO GET THOSE TO YOU DIRECTLY.
UH, WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO TRY AND, UH, EXPEDITE THAT.
BUT WE ALREADY HAVE, I THINK, CLOSE TO, UH, A TWO WEEK TIMELINE INTERNALLY, UH, ONCE THE REPORT'S BEEN WRITTEN.
BUT, UH, WE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT AND APPRECIATE THE COMMENT.
UM, WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REQUEST, UH, ADDITIONAL TRAINING FROM, UH, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
UH, ONE THING I WILL SAY ABOUT THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S ACADEMY, THERE WERE TWO ATTORNEYS WHO GAVE A PRESENTATION, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CALL IT A PRESENTATION.
WE PLAYED PLANNER, COMMISSIONER'S JEOPARDY, AND IT WAS EXTREMELY EDUCATIONAL AND LOTS OF FUN TO DO.
AND, UM, I'VE GIVEN THE BUSINESS CARDS TO COUNCIL, UH, TO INVESTIGATE THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT COUNCIL.
SO WE PROBABLY COULD DO THAT IN A WORKSHOP FORMAT.
IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE A PRESENTATION.
AND OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY PRIZES.
IT'D BE FOR BRAGGING RIGHTS
THEY HAD GIFT CARDS WELL BELOW THE THRESHOLD FOR, UH, DOING ANYTHING.
SO, UH, LASTLY, UH, IS SAFETY TRAINING, UM, IS NEEDED FOR SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA WAIT UNTIL WE GET A NEW COMMISSIONER ON BOARD HERE.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, GIVEN THE TIMES THAT WE LIVE IN, I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY WITHIN EARSHOT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE EVACUATION PREPARATIONS MADE.
THAT IS BUG OUT BAGS THAT YOU ALSO HAVE, GET HOME BAGS IN YOUR CARS THAT YOU, UH, COORDINATE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS, UH, AND ANY OTHER KIND OF, UH, PEOPLE WITHIN YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
UH, GET CERT TRAINING IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY HAD IT.
AND I ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO GET YOUR HAM RADIO LICENSE TOO.
UH, BEYOND THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
I DO HAVE A TRAINING SCHEDULED.
I WAS GONNA DO IT, UH, THIS MEETING, BUT I FOUND OUT COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA WAS GONNA BE ABSENT, SO I PUSHED IT.
UM, IF THERE'S SPECIFIC TRAINING YOU ALL WOULD LIKE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
UM, THE NEXT ONE WILL BE KIND OF A NUTS AND BOLTS, YOU KNOW, PLANNING COMMISSIONER 1 0 1.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC YOU WOULD LIKE, UM, I AM OPEN TO HEARING WHAT YOU'D LIKE, AND I CAN DEFINITELY PUT THAT TOGETHER.
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GOOD.THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS HEREBY ADJOURNED UNTIL THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF APRIL 6TH, 2026 AT 6:00 PM THE TIME IS 8:55 PM THANK YOU.