Feb 02, 2026 Planning Commission

EXCUSE ME.

COMMISSIONER ES PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER GOGI.

HERE, COMMITTEE MEMBER KY PRESENT CHAIR MILLER.

PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER VALDEZ, OR COMMITTEE MEMBER VALDEZ AND COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ.

ABSENT.

I'LL NOW HAVE COMMITTEE MEMBER EZ IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

READY? OKAY.

PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG.

THE FLAG OF UNITED, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE REPUBLIC ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FERRAL.

WE WILL NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS OR MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW, WE CANNOT RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS OR ITEMS REQUIRING HOUSING ADVISORY ACTION.

THESE ITEMS MUST BE BROUGHT BACK ON A SUBSEQUENT AGENDA UNLESS THEY ARE OF A DEMONSTRATED EMERGENCY OR URGENT NATURE.

MADAM SECRETARY, ARE OF ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED ON TONIGHT'S ADVI HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE AGENDA? NO CHAIR.

WE WILL NOW BEGIN CONSIDERATION OF THE ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S HOUSING ADVISORY MEETING.

AGENDA ITEM ONE IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA FOR THE REGULAR HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF FEBRUARY 2ND, 2026.

THAT IS THIS EVENING'S AGENDA.

IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION FROM THE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE CHAIR MILLER? CAN WE REMIND THEM WE'RE GONNA GO INTO HAND VOTES TONIGHT? OH, OKAY.

YEAH, SO IF, IF YOU, UM, I'M SORRY.

I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT, UH, FOR TECHNICAL REASONS, THE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL BE VOTING, UH, BY SHOW OF HANDS THIS EVENING.

SO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO MAKE AN A, A MOTION TO APPROVE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR SECOND.

WE HAVE A, UM, MOTION BY COMMITTEE MEMBER VALENZUELA AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE.

UH, TO APPROVE THE AGENDA, THE COMMITTEE WILL NOW VOTE BY HAND.

UM, ALL WHO APPROVE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

ALL OPPOSED PLEASE BY THE SAME MOTION OR ACTION.

ANYBODY ABSTAINING? SO MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS.

MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT.

VALENZUELA AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

ITEM NUMBER TWO ON TONIGHT'S AGENDAS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR HOUSING COMMITTEE MEETING OF OCTOBER 20TH, 2025.

THERE IS NO DISCUSSION.

DO I HAVE A MOTION AGAIN? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND TO MAKE A MOTION.

AND A SECOND.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMITTEE MEMBER

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THE COMMITTEE WILL NOW VOTE BY HAND.

UH, PLEASE SHOW IF YOU APPROVE.

ANY OPPOSED BY HAND OR ABSTAIN? THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIED ANONYMOUSLY BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.

UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT ZIP CODE IS 9 1 9 0 2.

ITEM THREE IS, UH, FOR THE UNION TOWER PROJECT.

I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO STAFF FOR A PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING, ANGELITA PALMA, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, NATIONAL CITY HOUSING AUTHORITY.

THIS EVENING, I'LL BE PRESENTING ON THE UNION TOWER APARTMENT PROJECT.

I WANNA FIRST START OFF BY REMINDING EVERYONE WHAT THE NATIONAL CITY HOUSING AUTHORITY MISSION IS.

IT'S TO PROMOTE ADEQUATE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, SUITABLE LIVING ENVIRONMENTS TO ALL HOUSEHOLDS WITH THE EMPHASIS ON EXPANDING HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES TO VERY LOW, LOW AND MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES, ACCESSIBLE HOUSING FOR SPECIAL NEEDS POPULATIONS, INCLUDING LARGER FAMILIES, SENIORS, AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.

THE UNION TOWER APARTMENTS PROJECT FULFILLS THE HOUSING AUTHORITIES GOALS WITH JUST THAT.

SO NOW I'LL GET INTO THE PROJECT, UH, THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY WAKELAND HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECT DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPED AT 2312 F AVENUE.

THIS PROJECT CONSISTS OF TWO BUILDINGS, FOUR AND SEVEN STORIES IN HEIGHT WITH A TOTAL OF 94 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AFFORDABLE TO HOUSEHOLDS BETWEEN 30% AND 60% OF THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY AREA MEDIAN INCOME.

SO WHAT I HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A PROPERTY SNAPSHOT.

SO THE PROPERTY WILL CONSIST OF ONE, TWO, AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS.

THERE IS PARKING AVAILABLE ON SITE.

A FULL DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY IS AVAILABLE IN THE STAFF REPORT.

SO ONLINE, AND WE'LL KIND OF WALK THROUGH WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE.

IT IS A SMOKE-FREE COMMUNITY AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE ONSITE RESIDENT SERVICES.

SO COMMUNITY AMENITIES ARE LISTED HERE, SOME OF WHICH INCLUDE A COM COMPUTER LAB PLAY AREA, A LARGE COMMUNITY ROOM WITH A KITCHEN AND WIFI ON SITE.

SO THE ALL ELECTRONIC APPLIANCES, INCLUDING THE REFRIGERATOR, DISHWASHER AND RANGE WILL BE ELECTRIC AND THERE'LL BE AC AND HEAT.

UH, WE HAVE, UM, SOME RESTRICTIONS AND GUIDELINES WILL APPLY TO, UM, THE PET FRIENDLY COMMUNITY.

SO OUR LOCAL PREFERENCE POLICY IS IN PLACE.

BUT TO SUMMARIZE IT, A PREFERENCE TO NATIONAL CITY HOUSEHOLDS WILL BE GIVEN.

SO THAT WOULD BE FOR HOUSEHOLDS LIVING IN THE 9 1 9 5 0 ZIP CODE.

SO IT WILL BE APPLIED TO THE INITIAL LEASE UP OF ALL RESTRICTED UNITS, UH, WITH THE MAXIMUM TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT APPLIED TO, UM, OR ALLOWED BY THE LAW AND PROOF OF RESIDENCY WILL BE REQUIRED TO RECEIVE THIS LOCAL PREFERENCE.

AND I CAN SEE OUR, UM, MY PLANNING MANAGER NEXT TO ME.

WE DO HAVE, UH, UH, JUST A FEW OF OUR, UH, HOUSEHOLDS IN THE 9 1 9 5 1 ZIP CODE.

IS THAT I DON'T REMEMBER.

UH, IT'S, UH, SO WE DO HAVE A FEW, UH, HOUSEHOLDS OUTSIDE OF OUR MAIN ZIP CODE.

UM, BUT NO HOUSEHOLDS WILL BE EXCLUDED, UM, WITHOUT US FIRST IDENTIFYING, UM, AND TAKING A LOOK AT EACH APPLICATION.

AND SO, UM, HEIDER COMPANY, UM, HAS BEEN CONTRACTED TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS.

AND SO,

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SO, UH, FIRST APPLICANTS WILL JOIN AN INTEREST LIST.

UH, SO THAT INTEREST LIST IS NOW OPEN TO SIGN UP TO BE.

UM, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, UH, TO, UM, OCCUPY ONE OF THE UNION, UH, ONE OF THE UNITS AT THE UNION TOWER APARTMENTS, YOU WOULD FIRST WANT TO, UM, UH, JOIN THE INTEREST LIST.

SO YOU CAN DO THAT IN ONE OF TWO WAYS.

WE HAVE ONE WAY LISTED UP ON THE WEBSITE, WHICH IS GOING TO UNION TOWER APARTMENTS.COM.

UH, YOU CAN ALSO, UM, CALL 6 1 9 7 0 3 0 8 5 6.

SO WE DO HAVE FLYERS AVAILABLE AT ALL CITY FACILITIES IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH.

ALSO AVAILABLE ON OUR CITY WEBSITE.

SO, UH, UNDER THE NATIONAL CITY HOUSING AUTHORITY, SO NATIONAL CITY CA GOV SLASH HOUSING, UH, YOU CAN LOOK UNDER PROJECTS AND FIND, UM, A LINK TO THE INTEREST LIST AS WELL AS DOWNLOAD THESE, UH, FLYERS.

SO THE NEXT STEP IN JOINING THE INTEREST LIST WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY FILL OUT YOUR INFORMATION.

IT'S REALLY SHORT, SO IT'D BE FILLING OUT YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION AND HITTING SUBMIT.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS.

UH, THIS IS A, UH, YOUR A VISUAL OF WHAT THE INTEREST LIST LOOKS LIKE.

WE CAN SEE, UM, THE SUBMISSION WINDOW DATE, WHICH IS LISTED UP ON THE, UH, SCREEN THERE.

IT WILL BE OPEN THROUGH MARCH 13TH, 2026.

SO, UM, IT IS IMPORTANT JUST TO SIGN UP ON THE INTEREST LIST OR CALL AND GET YOUR NAME ON THE INTEREST LIST, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE A NATIONAL CITY RESIDENT, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A PREFERENCE FOR NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS TO RECEIVE AN APPLICATION TO, UH, GET A UNIT AT UNION TOWER APARTMENTS.

AND SO, UM, ON THE SCREEN HERE, WE HAVE A SUMMARY OF IMPORTANT DATES.

SO WE HAVE, OF COURSE, THE INTEREST LIST STATES THERE.

UH, THE NEXT STEP WILL BE A LOTTERY THAT WILL OCCUR, WILL OCCUR FROM THE INTEREST LIST.

AND, UH, SO THERE'S JUST A WALKTHROUGH OF WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE.

SO FROM THE LOTTERY, WE, UH, WILL HAVE TWO WAIT LISTS THAT WILL BE CREATED.

ONE LIST WILL BE FOR HOUSEHOLDS THAT QUALIFY FOR LOCAL PREFERENCE, AND THE SECOND LIST WILL BE FOR ALL OTHER HOUSEHOLDS WHO DON'T QUALIFY.

WHO DON'T QUALIFY.

SO AFTER THAT, THE, UM, LEASE UP AFTER, UM, THE INTEREST LISTS ARE CREATED, UH, THEN APPLICATIONS WILL BE GIVEN TO, UM, HOUSEHOLDS ON THE INTEREST LIST IN ORDER, UM, IN WHICH THEY WERE RANKED FROM THE LOTTERY.

UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING THIS TIME AROUND THAT IS DIFFERENT FOR, UH, PREVIOUS LEASES OF OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPLEXES IS THAT, UH, WE'RE TAKING SOME TIME TO REALLY LOOK, TO REALLY WORK WITH APPLICANTS TO ENSURE THAT, UM, OUR NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS ARE HOUSED, UM, IN THE UNITS.

SO, UH, WE'VE FOUND THAT, UM, SOME PEOPLE NEED, UM, A BIT MORE ASSISTANCE IN FILLING OUT, UH, THEIR DOCUMENTS.

THEY NEED, UM, SOME ASSISTANCE IN ACTUALLY SUBMITTING THEM.

UM, SO, UH, WE WILL BE HELPING THEM, THE NATIONAL CITY, UH, HOUSING AUTHORITY STAFF.

WE'LL ALSO BE ASKING, UM, OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO REACH OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS, UH, TO GET THEM TO SUBMIT THEIR DOCUMENTATION.

UM, WE'D ALSO, UH, LIKE YOUR SUPPORT AS OUR HOUSING ADVISORY BOARD TO, UM, YOU KNOW, HELP OUR APPLICANTS, HELP OUR RESIDENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, GET THEIR DOCUMENTATION SO THEY CAN FILL THESE UNITS.

SO AFTER THAT, WE HAVE THE LEASE UP PROCESS.

UH, AND THAT IS A VERY DETAILED EXPLANATION UP ON THE SCREEN OF THAT LEASE UP PROCESS.

AGAIN, THIS PRESENTATION IS ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND POST IT ON THE PROJECT PAGE.

UH, NATIONAL CITY HOUSING AUTHORITY, UM, ON OUR WEBSITE, UH, THAT'S JUST THE SECOND SNAPSHOT OF THAT.

UH, SO THIS, UH, PROPERTY, UM, DID RECEIVE, UH, SOME TAX CREDITS.

SO THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS TO, UH, LIVE ON THIS PROPERTY.

YOU HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS TO INCLUDE

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YOUR INCOME.

UM, SO I STARTED OFF THIS PRESENTATION TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSING AUTHORITIES MISSION, WHICH WAS TO, UM, ASSIST OUR, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY ASSIST OUR, UM, OR THERE'S AN EMPHASIS TO ASSIST OUR, OUR LOW AND VERY LOW INCOME RESIDENTS.

SO, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING, UH, THIS PROPERTY RECEIVED OUR LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDITS, UM, IN ORDER TO BE FULLY FUNDED.

SO THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR HOUSEHOLDS TO MEET CERTAIN EL UH, INCOME ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.

SO THAT'S KIND OF JUST LISTING SOME INFORMATION THERE.

UH, WE HAVE SOME INCOME LIMITS HERE.

UH, FOR HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS, UH, I WOULD SAY, UM, I WOULD NOT RULE, UH, IF I WERE AN APPLICANT, I WOULD NOT RULE MYSELF OUT.

I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO APPLY IF YOU THINK YOU'RE EVEN CLOSE TO BEING ELIGIBLE, UM, SUBMIT THAT APPLICATION AND LET THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY DETERMINE IF YOU ARE ELIGIBLE OR NOT.

UH, THE LEASE, THE TEMPORARY LEASING OFFICE IS GOING TO BE LOCATED IN CHULA VISTA, NOT TOO FAR FROM, UH, THE NATIONAL CITY BORDER.

UH, ONCE THE, UM, UNION TOWERS RECEIVES ITS CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, UM, OR TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, UM, THE LEASING OFFICE WILL MOVE ON SITE AND, UM, THEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO START ASSISTING, UM, ITS RESIDENTS THERE.

BUT UNTIL THEN, THEY'LL HAVE ITS LEASING OFFICE IN CHULA VISTA.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL ALSO BE ABLE TO ASSIST PEOPLE BY PHONE AND, UM, EMAIL.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THERE'S CONTACT INFORMATION UP ON THE SCREEN.

IT'LL ALSO BE AVAILABLE ON OUR CITY WEBSITE, BUT YOU CAN, UH, GET THAT AGAIN@UNIONTOWERAPARTMENTS.COM OR BY CALLING, UM, UH, FOR THE INTEREST LIST, IT IS A, AN AN UNATTENDED PHONE LINE, SO, UM, (619) 703-0856.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, UH, BUT I DON'T WANNA KEEP YOU HERE ALL NIGHT.

SO, UM, I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME.

UH, A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THE STAFF REPORT TOO.

BUT, UH, GO AHEAD.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, ANY QUES UH, COMMISSION, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER? ARMA, I SAW YOUR HAND FIRST.

GO AHEAD.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, ANGELITA, THANK YOU, YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT I HAD, I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED.

UH, WHEN YOU ASKED FOR THE, FOR THE HOUSING ADVISORY AND, UH, ASSISTANCE, UH, WHAT EXACTLY IS THE ROLE THAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR, FOR OUR ASSISTANCE? SURE.

UH, I CAN EXPLAIN THAT.

SO, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE, WE ALL KIND OF NEED.

UM, I SEE THAT IS JUST, UM, IN GENERAL, IT WOULD BE KIND OF COMING TOGETHER.

I THINK THAT WAS ACTUALLY YOUR LAST, UH, COMMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

JUST IT'S ABOUT COMING TOGETHER.

AND SOMETHING THAT I'VE SEEN IS, UM, OUR RESIDENTS NEED ASSISTANCE IN FILLING OUT APPLICATIONS.

AND, UM, SO IN DOING THAT, THAT HAS BEEN LIKE KIND OF A DETOUR AND GETTING LEASED UP IN APARTMENTS.

AND SO OUR RESIDENTS AREN'T COMPLETING APPLICATIONS, AREN'T SUBMITTING ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT IS NEEDED IN ORDER TO GET HOUSED.

UM, SO IT'S JUST BEEN LIKE, JUST A BIG DETERRENT.

SO, UM, I HAVE ASKED OUR, THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY, UH, HEDER, WHICH IS, THEY'VE BEEN OUTSTANDING ALONG WITH WAKELAND.

UM, THEY, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH OUR RESIDENTS A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ONLY HAVE SO MUCH CAPACITY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH, AT THIS POINT, THOUSANDS OF APPLICATIONS.

SO IF I COULD, UM, OUR CITY COUNCIL, IF I COULD GET OUR HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO VOLUNTEER, UH, HOURS OR TO, YOU KNOW, UM, OUTREACH TO OUR RESIDENTS TO EVEN SAY, HEY, HAVE YOU SIGNED UP ON THE INTEREST LIST? UH, ANY, ANY SORT OF HELP THAT YOU CAN GET, UH, OR THAT YOU COULD PROVIDE, UM, EVEN IF YOU'VE KNOWN SOMEONE THAT HAS, UH, SIGNED UP, UH, JUST SAYING, HEY, DID YOU SUBMIT ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU NEED TO, DO YOU NEED ANY HELP? I THINK THAT IS, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S MY ASK.

HAVE MOBILITY AND COMMUNICATION FEATURES.

AND I HAVE A COUPLE MORE.

UM, I SAW IN HERE, UH, SOME OF THE UNITS WILL BE, UH, MOBILITY,

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WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY IS THAT? UH, SO, UM, YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

WE, UM, SO, UH, WAKELAND HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, SOME OF THE UNITS WILL BE, WILL FEATURE, FEATURE, UM, UNITS THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE, UH, FOR, UH, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS.

SO IT COULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT HAS, YOU KNOW, THE ACCESSIBLE, UH, BATHROOMS WHERE, UH, PEOPLE WITH WHEELCHAIRS CAN GET IN AND OUT EASILY.

UM, THERE ARE GOING TO BE, UH, JUST VARIOUS FEATURES THROUGHOUT THE UNIT.

UM, I WISH I WAS BETTER PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT THEM, BUT, UM, I THINK JUST ANYWHERE WHERE THERE'S NOT LIKE A CURB OR A, UM, YOU KNOW, A STEP UP MAKES, MAKES IT ACCESSIBLE.

UM, AND UNITS JUST BEING, UH, AVAILABLE ON THE GROUND FLOOR THAT HAVE THE WIDER DOORS, UM, I COULD GET YOU A MORE DETAIL REPORT AND, OR ACTUALLY I COULD POST THAT ONLINE FOR, FOR THOSE THAT ARE INTERESTED AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.

BUT THAT WAS, UH, UM, SOMETHING THAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME AND, UH, IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT I'M LOOKING FOR AND, UM, WHEN I'M LOOKING FOR PROPERTIES, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED MORE OF.

RIGHT.

UM, AND IS, UH, YEAH, JUST NOT ONLY FOR THE UNITS, BUT OTHER FEATURES THROUGHOUT THE COMPLEX.

UH, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN START SEEING MORE OF THAT IN DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR THE 24 UNITS RESTRICTED FOR VETERANS, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE SEPARATE, UH, LIST? PREFERENCE LIST? OKAY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T GONNA LIKE FILL UP CORRECT.

WITH THE OTHER ONES.

AND THEN, UM, MY LAST QUESTION WAS, THERE WAS SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT A, UH, WRAPAROUND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES.

IS THAT THE NAME OF THE SERVICE COMPANY OR IS THAT THE TYPE OF SERVICE TYPE, THE TYPE OF SERVICE? SO, UM, THE WRAPAROUND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES WILL JUST, WILL BE OFFERED TO, UM, THE VETERANS THAT WILL BE ON SITE, BUT THERE WILL BE OTHER, UH, AMENITIES ON SITE FOR THAT.

ALL OF THE RESIDENTS CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UH, SOME OF WHICH FOR LISTED ON THE SCREEN.

UH, BUT THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT IS, UM, REALLY, IT'S THE, THEY'RE OFFERING A LOT TO, TO THE RESIDENTS TO, UM, REALLY HAVE THEM EN ENGAGE AND BECOME A COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE ALL WANT, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

UM, SO IT, IT'S, IT'S HIGHLY DESIRABLE AND THERE'S A LOT OF INVESTMENT IN, UM, AS YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY BUILDING TRADES COUNCIL HAS DONE IN THE COMMUNITY WITH THEIR STAFF AND WITH THEIR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UM, WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE, UH, THAT THE PARK APARTMENTS, UH, THAT THEY'VE BEEN NATURALLY AFFORDABLE SINCE 19 SIX OR, UM, THAT THEY HAVE BEEN AFFORDABLE SINCE 1968.

AND, UM, SO IN, IN THEIR, UM, AND THEM WORKING WITH, UH, OTHER, OTHER FUNDING SOURCES AND WITH WAKELAND, THEY'RE NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, BRINGING, BRINGING MORE HOUSING TO NATIONAL CITY THAT'S AFFORDABLE AND ALSO, UM, MORE AMENITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS.

AND JUST A QUICK COMMENT, UM, BEING A VETERAN MYSELF, I JUST DO WANT TO REMIND YOU AND WITH HOPE THAT, UM, THERE CAN BE SOME KIND OF PARTNERSHIP, UH, WITH THE AMERICAN LEGION POST, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A VETERAN SERVICE OFFICER THAT PROVIDES FREE SERVICES, AND I WOULDN'T WANT ANY OF OUR VETERANS THERE TO PAY FOR ANY, ANYTHING THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR FREE.

OH.

UH, THAT, THAT IS REALLY GOOD TO HEAR, AND I WILL KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN POST ON OUR RESOURCE SITE.

BUT, UM, ACTUALLY THERE, UH, THERE'S A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO AND, UM, A VETERANS ORGANIZATION THAT, UH, TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF THE VETERANS RECEIVE THE ASSISTANCE AND CARE THAT THEY NEED.

I RECOGNIZE, UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE SALGADO, PLEASE.

HELLO.

I HAVE TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

UM, ONE WAS ABOUT THE A MII NOTICED THAT IT WAS FROM 2025.

DO YOU PLAN ON UPDATING THAT, UH, FOR 2026 FOR THE INCOME LIMITS? SURE.

UM, YES.

WE DO UPDATE, UH, THE INCOME LIMITS EVERY YEAR FOR THIS PROPERTY.

UM, HEIDER WILL BE UPDATING THE INCOME LIMITS, UH, FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.

WE UPDATE THE INCOME LIMITS WHEN A HUD OR, UM, THE STATE RELEASES THOSE.

IT'S TYPICALLY, UH, LATER IN THE YEAR THEY HAVE YET TO RELEASE THEM.

UM, BUT WE WILL BE DOING THAT JUST AS SOON AS THEY DO.

AWESOME.

AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, HAVE YOU GUYS DONE ANY OUTREACH OR ARE THERE ANY PLANS FOR OUR UNHOUSED POPULATION,

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UM, TO POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, OFFER, UH, FOR, I MEAN, BECAUSE A LOT OF 'EM, THEY DO HAVE DISABILITY, THEY HAVE INCOMES, UM, TO POTENTIALLY GET THEM, YOU KNOW, INTO A HOUSE SITUATION.

IS THERE ANY, ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE WITH THAT? UH, SO ACTUALLY THE, UM, 24 RESTRICTED VETERAN UNITS, THOSE ARE, UM, GOING FOR THE UNHOUSED VETERAN POPULATION.

UH, SO THOSE ARE SET ASIDE FOR, FOR THAT POPULATION.

UH, THE OTHER RENTAL UNITS, UH, INCOME AND, UH, RENTAL HISTORY IS REQUIRED TO LIVE THERE.

UM, SO FOR THESE UNITS, NO, BUT THERE ARE PLANS, UM, AND WE DO HAVE FUNDING AVAILABLE, UH, FOR OUR UNHOUSED POPULATION.

SO, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALWAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, AS SIMPLE AS JUST KIND OF GETTING, UM, SOMEONE HOUSED, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MORE TO IT.

UM, SO, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.

UM, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY ALONG WITH, UH, OUR PARTNERS, UH, YOU KNOW, NEXT DOOR, UH, CITY OF SAN DIEGO, LIKE SO ACROSS THE REGION, BUT ALSO IN HOUSE WITH OUR HOME TEAM AND, UM, OUR OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS.

UH, SO, UH, I'LL BE COMING BACK LATER IN THE YEAR WITH SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT BECAUSE WE ARE WORKING ON SOME PLANS.

MM-HMM.

ARE THERE COMMISSIONER OR COMMITTEE MEMBER GOGI? HI, I JUST WANTED A LITTLE CLARIFICATION.

YOU TOLD ME, WELL, I THINK I HEARD THAT INTEREST LIST IS NATIONAL CITY 9 1 9 5 0, BUT YOU SAID WE ARE ALSO DOING 9 1 9 0 0 0 2.

SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, JUST A STREET THAT IS, UH, IN, WITHIN THE NATIONAL CITY BORDER THERE.

UH, SO IT WOULDN'T BE THE ENTIRE ZIP CODE, BUT THERE IS ONE STREET THAT HAS IN NATIONAL CITY THAT HAS THAT ZIP CODE.

UM, SO, UM, UH, THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY KNOWS TO LOOK FOR SPECIFIC ADDRESSES AND A STREET NAME.

UH, SO WE DON'T WANNA EXCLUDE ANY OF OUR RESIDENTS OR DISQUALIFY THEM FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING THE SAME FOR NOT HAVING THE 9 1 9 5 0 ZIP CODE.

UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR, UM, AND, UH, JUST LET, UH, SINCE THIS IS A, UH, RECORDED MEETING AND UM, SO THAT THERE'S NO, LIKE MISUNDERSTANDING OR NO ONE THINKS THEY'RE DISQUALIFIED FROM APPLYING.

THAT WAS INTERESTING.

SO I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A 9 1 0 2 IN, I, I LEARN THINGS LIKE EVERY DAY.

AND SO, UM, YEAH, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE OUR PLANNING MANAGER SPEAK MORE ON THAT.

THINGS, UH, PLANNERS KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH PROPERTIES ALL DAY.

, WE DO HAVE A FEW PROPERTIES OUTSIDE THE 9 1 9, UH, 9 1 9 5, OH, ZIP, ZIP CODE, BUT THERE'S NOT VERY MANY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THERE'S, AND KEEP IN MIND TOO, THAT, UM, ZIP CODES DO NOT FOLLOW CITY BOUNDARIES AND VICE VERSA.

NEITHER DO SCHOOL DISTRICTS, NEITHER, NEITHER DO WATER DISTRICTS.

THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS OUTSIDE OF, UH, INCORPORATED AREAS THAT DON'T COINCIDE WITH MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES.

SO, UM, I GUESS THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT ANYBODY WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY, OF NATIONAL CITY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE, POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE AND GIVEN PRIORITY, NOT NECESSARILY BASED ON ZIP CODE, BUT WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS.

IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT? UH, I, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE 9 1 9 5 0, UH, ZIP CODE AREA, IF THEY'RE WITHIN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE.

I, I TYPICALLY SAY JUST WITHIN THE NATIONAL CITY BOUNDARIES, I DON'T USE CORPORATE LIMITS.

UM, BUT, UH, TO DEFINE IT, BUT, UM, I, I WOULD, UH, HAVE TO MAYBE, UM, IT DOESN'T MEAN THE SAME THING.

THEN IT MEANS, UH, THEN YES.

THAT WOULD BE, UH, BUT I GUESS IN PLAIN LANGUAGE, UH, THE BOUNDARIES, BUT I WILL SAY CORPORATE LIMITS.

LEARNING NEW THINGS EVERY DAY.

'CAUSE THERE ARE POCKETS, FOR EXAMPLE, OF THE COUNTY THAT ARE IN THE 9 1 9 5 0, CORRECT.

IS, ARE PEOPLE OR APPLICANTS BEING SCREENED IF THEY'RE ALREADY HOMEOWNERS? I MEAN, THIS IS STRICTLY ONLY FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE RENTERS, CORRECT? OR, SO IF THEY'RE ELIGIBLE, UH, TO LIVE AT THIS PROPERTY, WE, THEY SCREEN FOR ELIGIBILITY.

AREA MM-HMM .

BUT THOSE PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE GIVEN THE SAME PREFERENCE MM-HMM .

AS PEOPLE ACTUALLY RESIDING IN NATIONAL CITY, CITY LIMITS.

SO ARE, ARE WE GOOD ON THAT? YEAH.

WE HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FROM, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER ARMA.

IN THE SCREENING PROCESS.

IS THERE, UH, IS,

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UH, THEY SCREEN FOR, UM, JUST A, A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS.

UM, I WOULD, IF IT NEEDS TO BE THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE, I, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT A HOMEOWNER WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO LIVE AT THIS, UH, AT THESE APARTMENTS OR, UH, HAVE THE DESIRE.

UM, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD, LIKE A ONE-OFF.

UM, SO, UM, BUT THEY, THEY WILL BE REVIEWED THOROUGHLY, ALL APPLICATIONS, ALL BACKUP DOCUMENTATION.

UM, SO, UM, THERE WILL BE NO DUPLICATION OF APPLICANTS OR HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS.

IT'S A PRETTY THOROUGH PROCESS.

I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, I'LL JUST SAY I'M A HOMEOWNER, I'M NOT WORKING ANYMORE, SO I'M VERY LIMITED INCOME.

I MEET THE INCOME GUIDELINES, I APPLY FOR THIS, AND THEN I MOVE IN HERE, AND THEN I'M RENTING MY HOME.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T GONNA BE ANY OH, UH, ISSUES LIKE THAT AND, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

TAKE HOUSING AWAY FROM PEOPLE.

YOU AS A HOMEOWNER, YOU WOULD NOT QUALIFY.

GOT IT.

WE, UH, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT YOUR BANK STATEMENTS.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THANK YOU MS. PALMA, FOR THE VERY GOOD, VERY E EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.

WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO STAFF REPORTS, UH, PRINCIPAL PLANNER DAVID WELSH.

UH, NOTHING TO REPORT FOR THE COMMITTEE MEETING.

UH, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.

UH, NOTHING AT THIS TIME.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

UH, VICE CHAIR, CASTLE SALGADO, NOTHING TO REPORT.

UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER, UH, VALENZUELA TO REPORT.

COMMITTEE MEMBER SANCHEZ IS ABSENT.

COMMITTEE MEMBER ARMA.

UH, I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT.

COMMITTEE MEMBER ES NOTHING TO REPORT AT THIS TIME.

COMMITTEE MEMBER GOGI ELLEN DUB REPORT.

UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER KOKI, NOTHING TO REPORT.

AND COMMITTEE MEMBER VALDEZ IS ABSENT.

OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY OF FEBRUARY 2ND, 2026 AT 6:33 PM TO ORDER A LIVE WEBCAST OF THIS MEETING MAY BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AT HTTPS SLASH SLASH WWW.NATIONALCITYCA.GOV/WEBCAST.

UH OH.

AND, UH, THE CHAIRPERSON HAS NOTHING TO REPORT AT THIS TIME EITHER.

UH, THEREFORE, THE REGULAR HOUSING ADVISORY MEETING, UH, MEETING IS HEREBY ADJOURNED UNTIL THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF APRIL 6TH, 2026 AT 6:00 PM THE TIME IS NOW 6:33 PM I HEREBY CALL THE REGULAR MEETING

[Call To Order]

THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY'S WEBSITE.

AND INFORM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.

THIRD, THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE COMMENTS IN PERSON AT THE MEETING.

ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED WILL BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS APPROPRIATE PRIOR TO THEIR RESPECTIVE MEETINGS AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

IF RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE, I REQUEST THE PLANNING COMMISSION SECRETARY, NOW PROCEED WITH ROLL CALL AGAIN, VICE CHAIR SALGADO SALGADO PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.

COMMISSIONER MENTA.

AND THEN COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ'S.

COMMISSIONER KIONE PRESENT, COMMISSIONER GOGI COMM, UH, VICE OR CHAIR MILLER PRESENT.

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ABSENT.

WE WILL NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS OR MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW.

WE CANNOT RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND ITEMS REQUIRING PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION.

THESE ITEMS MUST BE BROUGHT BACK ON A SUBSEQUENT AGENDA UNLESS THEY ARE OF A DEMONSTRATED EMERGENCY OR URGENT NATURE.

AND WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON AND I WOULD CALL TO THE DAIS, UM, TO THE PODIUM.

UH, CYNTHIA QUINONE, PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING.

PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND ALL HERE TONIGHT.

MY NAME IS CYNTHIA FULLER ES.

I AM A NATIONAL CITY RESIDENT, LANDLORD, AND, UH, TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONER.

UH, BUT I AM SPEAKING NOW AS A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL CITY HEALTHY CO TOTOS COALITION.

LAST YEAR'S PROPOSED FUEL TRANSFER DEPOT MAY, UH, NOW BE IN OUR REAR VIEW WINDOW, BUT THE COALITION REMAINS INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL, UM, FOR YOUR ROLE IN THIS AND WANTS TO FORMALLY THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR VITAL ROLE, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND AGAINST THE PROJECT.

OUR TIDELANDS HISTORY IS A WORKING WATERFRONT DURING THE PORT 60, UH, YEAR TENURE IS REASON FOR CHANGE, NOT CONTINUED CONCENTRATION AND INTENSIFICATION OF INDUSTRIALIZATION HERE.

BEYOND THE PORT'S MCAS AND BALANCE PLAN INITIATIVES, MUCH MORE ACTION IS NEEDED, UH, TO ACHIEVE THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE GOALS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN ARTICULATED OVER THE LAST DECADE PLUS, UH, UH, IN CITY, COUNTY, PORT, AND COASTAL COMMISSION DOCUMENTS.

FOR STARTERS, THE HEALTHY COLD TOTOS COALITION IS ASKING ALL OF THE ENTITIES TO MORE CONCRETELY RECOGNIZE THE TIDE LAND'S PAST AS A, AS A FOOD.

SHE, UM, A BEAU, UH, ONCE A BOUNTIFUL SOURCE OF FOOD FROM BOTH LAND AND SEA.

WHEN OUR TIDE LAND NOURISHED, NOT HARMED, ALL DRAWN HERE BY THE BEAUTY AND HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE, IT THEN PROVIDED THE COALITION IS ALSO ASKING CITY, COUNTY, PORT AND COASTAL COMMISSION, UH, RESOURCES TO BE DEDICATED IN SUPPORT OF A 2026 VISIONING EFFORT BY HEALTHY TOTOS COALITION AND COMMUNITIES, UH, MEMBERS, UH, BASED ON THIS MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING AND THE PRIORITIZATION, UM, UH, THE, EXCUSE ME, THE DESIRED VISIONING OUTCOME IS IDENTIFICATION AND PRIORITIZATION OF WEST SIDE PROJECTS THAT OVER THE COMING FIVE TO 10 YEARS CAN MAKE PAST PROMISES OF COMMUNITY HEALTH, UH, AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE.

A REALITY WE CANNOT UNDO THE PAST, BUT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER, UH, TO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS FOR HABITAT, UH, AND ACCESS RESTORATION ON PAR WITH WORKING WATERFRONT IMPROVEMENTS AND STRIVE FOR EXISTING TIDE LAND TENANTS TO EITHER MITIGATE CURRENT HARMS OR PAY THE PRICE.

FAIRLY COMPENSATING THE COMMUNITY FOR DAMAGES CAUSED AS CLEARLY EVIDENCED BY THE BLIGHT IN PLAIN SIGHT, TOGETHER WITH THE POOR HEALTH METRICS, UH, REPORTED BY LIVEWELL SAN DIEGO.

AND MORE.

OUR NEXT MEETING IS THIS COMING MONDAY, UH, 5:30 PM AT OLIVE WOOD GARDENS AND LEARNING CENTER.

UH, ALL OF YOU ARE INVITED TO ATTEND, ALONG WITH ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

UH, CERTAINLY YOUR INPUT WOULD BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED AS WE GO FORWARD, UH, WITH THIS VISIONING.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE COMMUNITY, SO VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.

APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA FOR THE PUB, UH, FOR THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF FEBRUARY 2ND.

THANK YOU, MS. QUINONES, FOR YOUR VERY KIND WORDS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

WE WILL NOW BEGIN CONSIDERATION OF THE ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.

AGENDA ITEM ONE IS FOR THE

[1. Approval of the Agenda for the Meeting on February 2, 2026]

THAT IS THIS MEETING THIS EVENING.

IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, DO I HAVE A MOTION? AND BY THE WAY, WE WILL NOW BE ABLE TO, UM, VOTE ELECTRONICALLY SO YOU CAN MAKE YOUR MOTION THE NORMAL WAY AND YOUR SECOND.

SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR, UM, OKAY.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA AND A SECOND BY, UH, VICE CHAIR CASSEL SALGADO, UH, TO APPROVE THE AGENDA, MADAM SECRETARY, UM, WOULD YOU MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO VOTE NOW ELECTRONICALLY? UH, MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE VOTE.

MOTION APPROVE.

COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.

TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE REGULAR

ITEM TWO ON

[2. Approval of Minutes from the Meeting of November 17, 2025]

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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF NOVEMBER 17TH, 2025.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES? IF NONE, I, UH, WOULD CALL FOR A MOTION OF APPROVAL.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE SALGADO AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER QUINONES TO APPROVE THE MINUTES, AND WE WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE VOTE.

MOTION APPROVED.

UH, FIVE YESES AND ONE ABSTAINED BY COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.

THIS IS THE TIME AND PLACE FOR PUBLIC, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER.

WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.

[3. Determination that the project is categorically exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) under Class 3 of the CEQA Guidelines Section 15303 (New Construction or Conversion of Small Structures) and Conditional Use Permit for Beer and Wine Sales (ABC Type-41) at a new restaurant to be located at 12 West 7th Street. Case File No.: 2025-27 CUP APN: 555-052-15.]

ITEM NUMBER THREE, DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.

CA UNDER CLASS THREE OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 3, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES, AND A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BEER AND WINE SALES.

A B, C TYPE 41 AT A NEW RESTAURANT TO BE LOCATED AT 12 WEST SEVENTH STREET.

UH, BEFORE WE BEGIN, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES RELATING TO THIS HEARING? THIS IS A, THIS IS EACH PLANNING, PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S OPPORTUNITY TO DISCLOSE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, PROPERTY INSPECTIONS, EX PARTE CONTACTS, COMMUNICATIONS, ET CETERA.

UM, COMMISSIONER ARMENTA, I'D LIKE TO DISCLOSE, I'VE, UH, DRIVEN BY THERE A COUPLE TIMES TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND, YOU KNOW, FREQUENT THAT AREA.

UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE SALGADO.

SAME WITH ME.

I'VE DRIVEN BY, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA AND THERE, UM, I BELIEVE WE ALREADY HAD A, UH, PLANNING, COMMISSION MEETING ON THIS SAME KIND OF LOT.

UH, COMMISSIONER ES I, I ALSO DROVE BY THE AREA.

I WENT TO GO LOOK AT THE LAW A COUPLE OF TIMES.

UM, MADAM SECRETARY, HAVE THE NOTICES AS REQUIRED BY LAW BEEN GIVEN, AND DO WE HAVE THE COMPLETE FILE OF EXHIBITS, CORRESPONDENCE, AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YES, CHAIR.

BEER AND WINE SALES, WHICH IS AN A BC TYPE 41 LICENSE AT A NEW RESTAURANT.

I HEREBY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM FOR US? GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

MY NAME IS DAVID WELCH, UH, WITH THE NATIONAL CITY PLANNING DIVISION.

UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARINGS WERE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BEER AND WINE SALES.

UM, I'M SORRY, SHOULD NOT SAY LIVE ENTERTAINMENT THAT WAS REMOVED, UM, AT A NEW RESTAURANT TO BE LOCATED AT 21 WEST SEVENTH STREET.

UM, OVERVIEW OF THE PROPERTY, THIS IS CURRENTLY A VACANT CORNER ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE WHERE ROOSEVELT MEETS MEETS WEST SECOND STREET.

UM, THE I FIVE ON RAMP IS RIGHT THERE.

UH, JACK IN THE BOX IS KITTY CORNER, UM, ALSO VERY CLOSE TO THE ADA INN.

UM, THERE'S A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A PADDLE CENTER.

UM, THE SITE HAS NOT STARTED CONSTRUCTION YET, UM, BUT THEY DO PLAN TO OPERATE THIS NEW ATHLETIC FACILITY OUT OF A, UH, 2,990 SQUARE FOOT CLUBHOUSE.

UM, THE SEATING FOR, UH, THE AREA WILL BE COMPLETELY OUTDOORS.

SOME OF IT IS COVERED, UH, APPROVED HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE PADDLE CENTER.

THE FAC THE ATHLETIC FACILITY WOULD BE 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM DAILY.

UH, IT WILL TOTAL FIVE PADDLE TENNIS COURTS AND ONE PICKLEBALL COURT.

UM, SOME MINOR VARI VARIATION FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BACK IN, I BELIEVE, 2023.

UM, THIS AREA IS PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL.

AGAIN, INTERSTATE FIVE IS ACROSS ROOSEVELT AVENUE.

UM, THE ONLY KIND OF KNOWN RESIDENTIAL TYPE USE IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.

THERE WAS A BUILDING PERMIT FILED, UH, ON THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST TO BUILD A RESIDENTIAL UNIT, BUT THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED AT THIS TIME.

A COUPLE OF VIEWS OF THE SITE IS A LITTLE BIT OLDER, UM, BUT IT WAS VACANT.

UM, THERE WAS SOME VERY MINOR KIND OF SCRAPING OF THE DIRT THAT OCCURRED.

UH, OTHERWISE NO SITE WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED.

UM, THIS IS WHAT THE STREET FRONTAGE LOOKS LIKE.

YOU HAVE THE CORNER OF ROOSEVELT AVENUE AND WEST SEVENTH ON THE LEFT.

AND THEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THE VIEW, LOOKING DOWN ROOSEVELT AVENUE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CITY, OUR CITY PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HAS DONE SOME IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE STREETSCAPE, UM, IN RECENT YEARS.

SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE

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UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO OPERATE THIS RESTAURANT AND THE ALCOHOL SALES FROM 8:00 AM TO 11:00 PM DAILY.

UM, THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR GUESTS TO STAY AND GRAB A BITE TO EAT OR A DRINK AFTER THEY FINISHED THEIR LAST GAMES AT 10 O'CLOCK.

UM, ALL THE SEATINGS OUTDOORS, UH, WHICH IS BETWEEN THE COURTS AND THE CLUBHOUSE, AS WELL AS KIND OF UNDER A COVER WHERE THE CLUBHOUSE IS LOCATED.

UH, NO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT IS PROPOSED AT THIS TIME.

THE APPLICANT, UH, DISCUSSING WITH THEM, UH, THEY HOPE TO USE THE TEMPORARY USE PERMIT PROCESS TO POTENTIALLY HOLD HOST TOURNAMENTS IN THE FUTURE.

UM, BUT THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS REQUEST RIGHT NOW.

AGAIN, FACILITY HAS NOT STARTED CONSTRUCTION.

UH, IN TALKING TO THE APPLICANT, A B, C ALLOWS, UH, BASICALLY AN INDEFINITE TIME BETWEEN LICENSE APPROVAL AND WHEN IT GETS ENACTED.

UM, SO WE'RE NOT PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, SO TO SPEAK IN THIS INSTANCE.

UM, HERE'S WHAT THE CURRENT SITE PLAN LOOKS LIKE.

UM, SO THE KIND OF THE GRAY HASHED AREAS ARE THE PADDLE TENNIS COURTS.

UM, I GUESS IT, IT, IT'S SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO LIKE A RACKETBALL TYPE SPORT WITH KINDA LARGE, UM, PANELED EXTERIOR.

AND THEN THE, THE COURT AT THE TOP IN WHITE, THAT'S A STANDARD PICKLEBALL COURT.

UM, THE AREA SURROUNDED BY RED THERE, THAT IS THE KIND OF COMMON AREAS WHERE THE CLUBHOUSE WOULD BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

AND THEN THE OUTDOOR OPEN AREAS WHERE SEATING CAN TAKE PLACE, UM, WHERE IT'S KIND THE LIGHT GRAY SHADING.

UM, THE APPLICANT DID STATE THERE WOULD BE JUST KIND OF AMBIENT MUSIC.

UM, NOTHING, NO LIVE MUSIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

JUST TYPICAL KIND OF LOW VOLUME RESTAURANT STYLE MUSIC IN, UH, THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL CODE TITLE 1818 30.050.

IT ALLOWS FOR ALCOHOL SALE FOR ONSITE CONSUMPTION WITH AN APPROVAL OF A COP.

UH, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE ZONE WHICH THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED.

DEVELOPMENT ZONE ONE B OF THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN.

UM, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ALCOHOL.

CS ONE IS AN EXTENDED MAILING, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT 660 FEET.

UH, SO 483 OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS IN THE VICINITY WERE MAILED NOTICES FOR THIS PROJECT.

UM, THE APPLICANTS ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO HOLD A COMMUNITY MEETING, WHICH WAS HELD ON AUGUST 19TH, I THINK IT WAS AT NAPOLEON'S RESTAURANT.

UH, THERE WERE NO COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE.

UM, AS FAR AS THE CONCENTRATION OF ALCOHOL LICENSES, UM, THIS IS IN CENSUS TRACK TWO 19.

THERE ARE CURRENTLY 17 ON SALE LICENSES WHERE THREE ARE RECOMMENDED BY A, B, C.

SO IT IS CONSIDERED OVER, OVER CONCENTRATED.

I KIND OF LOOKED AT WHAT THOSE LICENSES WERE.

UM, ONE OF THOSE IS A FRATERNAL ORGANIZATION.

UH, 10 OF THE 17 ARE LOCATED IN NATIONAL CITY AND SIX LOCATED IN CHULA VISTA.

UM, MOST OF 'EM ARE PROBABLY RESTAURANTS, BUT THERE ARE A FEW KIND OF OLDER BARS ALSO IN THIS, UM, CENSUS TRACT.

UM, THE NEAREST LIQUOR LICENSE WOULD BE, UH, THE RESTAURANT LOCATED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE RAMADA AT 700 NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD.

SO THAT'S ON THE NEXT BLOCK.

UM, THERE ARE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR ALCOHOL RELATED USES.

UH, IN THIS INSTANCE, UM, THE TRIGGERING ONE WOULD BE BEING WITHIN 660 FEET OF PUBLIC SCHOOL.

UM, THERE WOULD, THERE IS A CHARTER SCHOOL REALLY CLOSE, BUT IT'S NOT, UM, PART OF THE POLICY AS FAR AS THE, UH, DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS ARE CONCERNED.

UM, AND THEN THE, THE APPLICATION WOULD HAVE TO ADHERE TO CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7 ON ALCOHOL SALES, UH, WHICH HAS SOME STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR THIS TYPE OF USE.

UH, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE INCLUDED.

UM, AND THE ONLY WAY THEY WOULD NOT WOULD BE A WAIVER BY CITY COUNCIL.

UM, AS FAR AS HOURS OF OPERATION, PROPOSED HOURS, AS I MENTIONED, UH, FOR THE NEW RESTAURANT, 8:00 AM TO 11:00 PM DAILY, THE PADDLE CENTER, WHICH IS THE FITNESS ACTIVITY, UH, SEVEN TO 10:00 PM DAILY WAS THE ALREADY APPROVED HOURS AS FAR AS THE RESTAURANTS ARE CONCERNED.

UM, SOME OF OUR RECENT APPROVALS, UM, IT KIND OF RANGE FROM 10 TO 11, UH, DAILY.

UM, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WOULD BE INDOOR USES.

UM, LA BEER, BEER AREA, UH, WHICH HAD A MORE NEIGHBORHOOD SETTING.

UH, IT WAS RESTRICTED TO 9:00 PM OUTSIDE.

SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UH, DEFINING THE PROJECT AS EXEMPT FROM QUA, UH, WHICH SHOULD BE CLASS THREE, NEW CONSTRUCTION AND CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES.

UH, THE PROPOSED CLUBHOUSE MEETS THE SIZE CRITERIA FOR THAT EXEMPTION.

UH, THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL WOULD BE ENTIRELY OUTDOORS, UM, BUT PATRONS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO,

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UH, LEAVE THE PREMISES WITH ALCOHOL AND THERE'D BE SIGNAGE FOR THAT.

UM, THE RESTAURANT IS LOCATED WITHIN DEVELOPMENT ZONE ONE B.

UM, THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT ZONE IN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN, UM, IS REALLY IN, HAS AN INTENTION TO INCLUDE BOTH VISITOR SERVING COMMERCIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT USES.

UM, SO IT'S NOT JUST YOUR STANDARD RETAIL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

IT'S REALLY HOPING TO, UH, ACHIEVE, UM, ACTIVITY AT A, AT A LARGER SCALE.

WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS AS WE TYPICALLY DO FOR ALCOHOL APPLICATIONS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC STRATEGIES.

UM, IT DID GET A MEDIUM RISK ASSESSMENT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, ORIGINALLY THE APPLICATION INCLUDED LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AND LONGER HOURS.

UM, SO IT CAME IN WITH 17 POINTS, WHICH IS CONSIDERED MEDIUM.

UH, AFTER THE ALCOHOL, THE APPLICANT'S REVISIONS TO 11:00 PM AND GETTING RID OF THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, UM, IT STILL FALLS WITHIN THE MEDIUM RISK AT 14 POINTS.

UM, THESE ARE BASED ON LICENSE CONCENTRATION CALLS OR SERVICE CRIME RATES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT COMMENTS, UM, AND THE ATTACHMENT FOR THE RISK ASSESSMENT, UM, THERE IS DEFINITELY SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE CRIME RATE IN THE AREA.

UM, AND THE SITE ALSO DOESN'T HAVE, UM, ONSITE PARKING.

UM, SO PATRONS WOULD HAVE TO, UH, PARK ON THE STREET AND THEY'D BE WALKING TO THE FACILITY.

UM, THOSE THINGS, UH, STAFF HAS KIND OF LOOKED AT AS MAYBE A CONCERN FOR THIS PROPOSED USE.

UM, WITH IPS, UH, THEY HAD A COMMENT FROM THE RESPONSIBLE HOSPI HOSPITALITY COALITION OF SAN DIEGO COUNTY, UM, AND THEY JUST WANTED TO RECOMMEND REFRAINING FROM SELLING ALCOHOL FOR PATRONS THAT PLAN TO PARTICIPATE IN SPORTS ACTIVITIES.

SO BASICALLY, UH, DO YOUR DRINKING AFTER YOU'RE DONE, UH, PLAYING YOUR SPORTS, UH, TO PREVENT INJURIES.

UM, AND THEN STANDARD RBSS TRAINING, UM, AGE VERIFICATION CHECKS, UM, AND THEN KIND OF OUR STANDARD CONDITIONS, UM, RELATED TO FOOD SERVICE WITH THE ALCOHOL.

SO WE HAVE OUR COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7 FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

AND WE ALSO HAVE OUR HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, RESPONSIBLE BEVERAGE SALES AND SERVICE.

UM, ALCOHOL SALES HAVE TO REMAIN ACCESSORY TO THE RESTAURANT, SO WE GET SALES RECEIPTS EVERY YEAR, AND IT HAS TO SHOW THAT FOOD SALES ARE HIGHER THAN ALCOHOL SALES.

UM, CONDITIONS IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION FOR PLANNING COMMISSION THAT ARE MORE SPECIFIC TO THIS APPLICATION.

UH, AGAIN, UH, NOISE WITH TITLE 12, THE PALE CENTER HAD THAT CONDITION AS WELL.

UH, MAKING SURE PATRONS OUTSIDE ARE NOT EXCEEDING NOISE VOLUMES.

UM, SEF IS RECOMMENDING A CONDITION, UH, FOR THE PROVISION OF THE SECURITY GUARD ON SITE, UM, WITH CONCERNS OVER SAFETY FOR PATRONS.

UM, SO WE CAN PERHAPS TALK ABOUT THAT MORE LATER, UH, AS WELL AS SECURITY CAMERAS, WHICH SHOULD BE CAPABLE OF, UM, TAPING BOTH ONSITE AND THE ADJACENT SIDEWALKS.

UM, AND THEN FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, SOME TYPE OF LANGUAGE THAT IS PLAIN TO SEE DISCOURAGING THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL PRIOR TO ENGAGEMENT IN SPORTS ACTIVITIES.

IN SUMMARY, UH, THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.

UM, ALCOHOL SALES ARE CONDITIONALLY ALLOWED IN THE DEVELOPMENT ZONE ONE VIA THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN.

UM, THEY WOULD REMAIN ACCESSORY TO THE BUSINESS IN A PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL AREA, UM, INCLUDING THE CONDITIONS FROM COUNCIL.

POLICY 7 0 7, UM, ARE INTENDED TO ALLEVIATE ALLEVIATE CONCERNS RELATED TO POTENTIAL AREA IMPACTS.

UM, AND STAFF JUST DISCUSSED THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT COULD ADDRESS CONCERNS RELATED TO NOISE, SECURITY AND SAFETY.

SO THE OPTIONS HERE TONIGHT FOR THE COMMISSION ARE TO FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CQA AND APPROVE THE COP BASED ON FINDINGS LISTED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION OR FINDING SEP UH, FINDINGS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION OR THE COMMISSION CAN FIND THE PROJECT NOT EXEMPT FROM CQA AND OR DENY THE COP BASED ON FINDINGS LISTED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION OR FINDINGS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION.

UH, COMMISSION CAN ALSO CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UM, SHOULD IT BE APPROVED OR DENIED.

UH, NOTICE OF DECISION WOULD BE FORWARDED TO OUR CITY COUNCIL AND THAT CONCLUDES A STAFF PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, MR. WELCH.

I INVITE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THEIR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION AS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE APPLICANT.

EVENING.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS MARCO

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POLO CORTEZ AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE REPRESENT.

I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

UNFORTUNATELY, APPLICANT IS OUTTA TOWN AND COULD NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING, BUT I WILL BE HERE IN THEIR PLACE.

AS YOU'VE NOTED FROM STAFF REPORT, THIS IS A RESTAURANT PRIMARY USE.

ALCOHOL'S GONNA BE ANCILLARY.

THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS ARE, ARE SUBSTANTIAL FOR US.

UH, THIS IS GONNA BE A, UH, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY HIGHLY REGULATED INDUSTRY, WHICH IS NOT JUST BY NATIONAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT ALSO BY A B, C, AS WELL AS THE MASSIVE INVESTMENT THAT'S GONNA BE MADE IN THIS PROPERTY, BRINGING A LIGHTING AND ALSO, UH, A LOT OF, UH, MORE CAMERAS THAT WILL BE IN PLACE TO DETER A LOT OF THAT UNFORTUNATE ACTIVITY TO HAVE ALONG THAT STREET.

SO, AGAIN, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE YOUR CONSIDERATION.

UH, THERE IS ONE PROVISION THERE THAT, UH, IS UNDER, UM, YOUR CONSIDERATION THAT THE APPLICANT'S, UH, ATTORNEY AND THEY BELIEVE IS A LITTLE BIT MUCH IS THE CONDITION WHERE THEY HAVE TO WALK PEOPLE TO THEIR CARS FOR LIABILITY PURPOSES.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'D ASK YOU GUYS.

YEAH, THERE'S A, THE PROVISION, THERE'S A CONDITION THAT REQUESTS OR ASKS YOU TO CONSIDER THAT THERE BE SECURITY TO WALK PEOPLE TO THEIR CARS AFTER THEY PLAY.

AND THAT CREATES A, A LOT OF LIABILITY FOR THE APPLICANT WHEN YOU'RE WALKING, YOU KNOW, BLOCK OR TWO, OR PERHAPS EVEN WALKING SOMEONE HOME, SO NOT JUST THEIR CAR.

SO THAT CREATES A LOT OF LIABILITY AND I HOPE YOU GUYS CONSIDER THAT AND NOT HAVE THAT PART OF THE PROVISION TO APPROVE.

AGAIN, I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.

UM, WOULDN'T IT BE MORE OF A, UM, LIABILITY IF YOU DIDN'T PROVIDE THAT SERVICE AND ONE OF YOUR PATRONS WAS MURDERED ON THE WAY TO THEIR CAR ? BECAUSE, BECAUSE BARS ARE RESPONSIBLE ABSOLUTELY.

FOR, UH, THEIR PATRONS, YES, THAT DRINK TOO MUCH.

YES.

AND I, I THINK THERE'S A, AN ISSUE THERE, UM, THAT, UM, NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT BY BOTH SIDES BECAUSE THAT'S, TO ME, A, A VERY SALIENT QUESTION.

I MEAN, I, I'VE WORKED WITH, UH, WITH A B, C CONDITIONS AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR 25 YEARS, AND I SEE MOST OF THE STANDARD LANGUAGE IS THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE DISPERSE FROM OUTSIDE THE PREMISE ONCE THEY LEAVE YOUR PREMISES.

IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT, THAT THEY WALK EM TO, YOU KNOW, BLOCK OR TO, OR AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, PERHAPS WALKING THEM HOME, THAT BECOMES A LARGER LIABILITY.

I THINK, AGAIN, WITH THESE COURTS ARE GONNA BE OUTDOOR.

YOU'RE ADJACENT TO A FREEWAY, THEY'RE GONNA LIGHT UP THAT STREET, THAT WHOLE CORRIDOR IS GONNA GET LIT UP AND WITH SECURITY CAMERAS AND THE APPLICANT IS GONNA HAVE UP TO 12 4K CAMERAS THERE.

UH, A STAFF MENTIONED NOT ONLY IN THE, ON THE PREMISE, BUT ON THE ANCILLARY, UH, AREAS AS WELL.

SO AGAIN, I THINK ANY TYPE OF INVESTMENT LIKE THIS WOULD BE A DETERRENT FOR ANY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

UH, I'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN IN A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT AREAS THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, ESPECIALLY HERE IN SOUTH BAY.

SO I THINK, UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S STILL A LIABILITY FACTOR THAT BEYOND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS GONNA GONNA BE DOING.

WE'RE GOING TO, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO QUESTIONS.

MAKE SURE YOU WRITE YOUR QUESTIONS DOWN.

I PROBABLY SPOKE OUT OF TURN.

SHOULD HAVE WAITED ON MY QUESTIONS.

SO, UH, THANK YOU MR. POLO.

THANK YOU CORTEZ.

UM, WE WILL NOW HEAR LIVE FROM ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.

EACH PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A MAXIMUM TIME OF THREE MINUTES.

MADAM SECRETARY, ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, EITHER IN, UH, IN PERSON OR ZOOM? NO CHAIR.

I REQUEST THE SECRETARY PROCEED WITH DISCLOSING IF ANY PUBLIC COM, UH, COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED IN WRITING.

MADAM SECRETARY, NO CHAIR.

WE HAVE A LAND USE WITH NO ONSITE PARKING, AND SO THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO GET IN AND OUTTA THIS FACILITY, AND THAT'S AS A PEDESTRIAN.

WOULD STAFF LIKE TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? UM, JUST TO POINT OUT THAT THE APPLICANT AND OR THE REPRESENTATIVE, UM, SEEMS TO BE PRIMARILY DISCUSSING, DISCUSSING CONDITION NUMBER 17, IF YOU SEE THAT IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION, UM, SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE OPPOSED TO THE ENTIRE CONDITION.

UH, BUT THE PART THAT I WAS POINTING POINTED OUT WAS, UM, INTENTIONALLY MADE A LITTLE, UM, I WANT, I DON'T WANNA SAY VAGUE, BUT, UH, PROVIDE SOME WIGGLE ROOM THERE.

UH, IT SAYS OFFER COMPLIMENTARY ESCORT FOR PATRONS PARKED WITHIN REASONABLE DISTANCE OF THE FACILITY.

UM, SO NOT EVERY PATRON, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF JUDGMENT CALL THERE, I THINK AS FAR AS WHAT THAT SERVICE WOULD LOOK LIKE.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE COMMENTS FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT DID TALK ABOUT THE HIGH LEVEL OF CRIME IN THE AREA, AND WE'RE IN A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE, UM,

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SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO THINK ABOUT LIKE, WHAT CAN WE REASONABLY DO IN THIS SITUATION.

UM, AS FAR AS THE OTHER CONDITIONS, I'M NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT HAD ANY OTHER, UM, CONCERNS, BUT THAT'S THE, UM, SEEMS TO BE THE ONE IN QUESTION HERE.

UM, OKAY.

UH, DO ANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

SO REGARDING ONE OF THE, I GUESS, RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS REGARDING, UM, THE SIGNAGE REGARDING, UM, ALCOHOL USE BEFORE ACTIVITY.

I MEAN, UH, DO WE HAVE THAT TYPE OF SIGNAGE AT THE NATIONAL CITY GOLF COURSE? LIKE, DO WE, DO WE RECOMMEND FOLKS DON'T DRINK BEFORE THEY PLAY GOLF? OR IF WE HAD A BOWLING ALLEY, WOULD WE TELL THEM NOT TO DRINK IF THEY, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE GONNA BOWL LIKE I, AND JUST, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE TO ME.

I, I KNOW IT WAS COMING FROM A NONPROFIT AGENCY AS A RECOMMENDATION AND YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO THAT, BUT DO WE DO THAT ANYWHERE ELSE? UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO.

UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, WE HAVE THE INSTITUTE FOR REPUBLIC STRATEGY THAT PROVIDES COMMENTS, RIGHT.

UM, STAFF KIND OF STANCE ON THOSE COMMENTS IS IF THEY CAN BE REASONABLY ACCOMMODATED, UH, WE WILL CONSIDER THEM IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

UM, AGAIN, THE CONDITION THAT WAS WROTE WAS NOT A VERY, I WOULD SAY, STRONG CONDITION.

IT WAS MORE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THE LANGUAGE, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THEY CANNOT.

UM, IT'S SIMPLY KIND OF, IT'S JUST LIKE INFORMING PATRONS.

IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA.

YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING IF YOU'RE GONNA GO TO THE JACUZZI AND IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT GETS HOT IF YOU HAVE ANY HEART CON, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.

YEAH, THERE'S NO LIKE REAL SET WAY THEY HAVE TO DO IT.

IT'S NOT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE STATED, IT'S JUST KIND OF PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.

IT'S THE WAY THE CONDITION'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN REGARDING, UM, CONDITION 17 OR, UM, I GUESS THIS MIGHT BE TO SERGEANT CAMACHO OR ALSO TO YOU MR. WELCH OR, UM, CITY ATTORNEY LUTZ.

UM, SO IF WE HAVE SECURITY AT A NATIONAL CITY EVENT OR A NATIONAL CITY LOCATION, DO WE RECOMMEND OR OFF HAVE OFFICERS ESCORT PEOPLE TO THEIR CARS? OR DO WE HAVE SECURITY THAT WE'VE HIRED ESCORT PEOPLE TO THEIR CARS? WOULDN'T THAT BE A LIABILITY ISSUE FOR US AS WELL? LIKE WOULD WE DO THAT OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? I'M JUST GOING, I'M PLAYING DEVIL'S.

I JUST KIND OF WANNA, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ESCORTS AROUND THAT STREET THAT I SEE EVERY MORNING THAT WE HAPPY TO WALK PEOPLE TO THEIR CAR , BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT .

SO DO WE, SO DO WE HAVE, DO WE DO THAT TO BE SURE TO BE CLEAR.

SO DO WE HAVE THAT, UM, ANYWHERE ELSE THAT WE DO THAT FOR ANY OTHER, UM, UH, LOCATIONS THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR FOLKS TO BE ESCORTED EITHER BY PD OR BY SECURITY? THAT'S MAYBE A DAVID QUESTION.

IS THAT SOMETHING WE'VE CONDITIONED OTHER PROJECTS IN THE PAST? YEAH, I, I HAVE NOT BEEN WITH THE CITY LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THE HISTORY ON ALL THESE TYPES OF USES AND ACTIVITIES.

UM, I THINK ONE THING THAT HAS CHANGED IN, IN VERY RECENT YEARS IS, UH, THE STATE'S MANDATE ON AB 2097 THAT YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH HAVING ZERO PARKING SPACES ON A PROPERTY.

WELL, IS LIKE, IS THERE A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF SECURITY GUARDS REQUIRED? I MEAN, IT'S A PRETTY LARGE FACILITY.

SO I THINK UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, IF YOU HAVE, SAY A GOLF CLUB OR A BOWLING ALLEY LIKE ROUND ONE FOR EXAMPLE, UM, ALL THOSE ACTIVITIES, THE PARKING OF VEHICLES ARE GENERALLY TAKING PLACE ON SITE.

YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHICH WE HAVE PROBABLY NOT SEEN BEFORE, MAYBE NOT IN A LONG TIME, WHERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST IT MAY HAVE BEEN THAT WAY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE HAVING TO PARK OFF SITE MM-HMM .

AND THERE'S NO ON, EVERYTHING WON'T BE CONTROLLED BY THE APPLICANT UNFORTUNATELY.

SO IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO, UM, YOU KNOW, STRENGTHEN THE SAFETY AND SECURITY IN THE AREA AS IT RELATES TO THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL? AND THEN I GUESS I THIS MIGHT, OH, GO AHEAD.

SORRY.

I CAN PROBABLY CONFIDENTLY SAY WE WOULD NEVER REQUIRE PD TO ESCORT ANYONE OFF THE PREMISES.

UM, THIS CONDITION IS VAGUELY WRITTEN, IT'S NOT MANDATED, IT'S JUST TO OFFER, IF SOMEONE WERE TO ASK, UM, IF THEY FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE, UM, THEY COULD BE PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.

UM, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT FROM A LIABILITY STANDPOINT, THAT'S NOT MY PURVIEW.

UM, BUT I COULD, IF YOU WANTED MORE INFORMATION, I COULD LOOK AT THAT.

UM, AS FAR AS THE SECURITY REQUIREMENT, THIS MIGHT BE FOR MR. MCC CORTEZ OR FOR THE CITY AS

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ARE WE TALKING ONE OR TWO OR DO WE, I MEAN, WE WE'RE TALKING CAMERAS.

I GOT THAT SECURITY.

UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY FROM A PATRON STANDPOINT, I WOULD THINK MR. CORTEZ'S CLIENT WOULD PROBABLY WANT THEIR PATRONS TO BE SAFE.

AND THE, THE COURTESY WALK PROBABLY, WHILE IT MIGHT HAVE LIABILITY ATTACHED TO IT, IT PROBABLY WOULD MAKE IT BETTER THAT THEY'RE APPROACHED BY, YOU KNOW, SOME, A FRIENDLY FACE VERSUS A PIMP.

I MEAN, HONESTLY.

SO, UM, DO WE, ARE WE, ARE WE VERY, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT A LOT OF TIMES AND, UM, FOR OTHER LOCATIONS THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS DO LIKE THE THOUGHT OF SECURITY.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN IT IMPLEMENTED, LIKE BY THE CITY OR ARE REQUIRED BY THE CITY, WHICH I'M NOT OPPOSED TO CONSIDERING THE LOCATION, BUT THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND SO I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OR WHAT THE CITY'S, I GUESS, CONDITION ACTUALLY MEANS.

'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN HERE THAT YOU'RE TELLING ME ARE VAGUE, BUT SECURITY SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A FIXED AND HARD COST TO A, A BUSINESS OWNER TO DO TO, TO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE.

UM, SO THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SECURITY GUARD TO BE ON SITE, UM, HAS COME UP IN OTHER APPLICATIONS BEFORE.

I THINK THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS ROUND ONE ENTERTAINMENT.

UM, BUT A LOT OF THAT PARTICULAR SECURITY PLAN WAS, UM, RECOMMENDED BY THE BUSINESS ITSELF.

UM, IT, THE CONDITION WAS WRITTEN TO SAY A SECURITY GUARD, MEANING ONE, UH, HOPEFULLY THAT'S NOT VAGUE.

AND IT ALSO SAYS THE SECURITY GUARD, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF RECOGNIZES THERE'S A LIMITED NUMBER OF ATHLETIC COURTS HERE.

THE CLUBHOUSE IS RATHER SMALL IN NATURE.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A LARGE RESTAURANT.

UM, I'M ALMOST ENVISIONING A SNACK BAR TYPE SITUATION HERE.

UM, SO IT WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE, UH, A MAJOR ECONOMIC DETERRENT FOR THE APPLICANT.

UM, THAT'S WHY IT WAS WRITTEN THAT WAY.

MM-HMM .

UM, ONE POTENTIAL APPROACH THE COMMISSION COULD TAKE.

YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT'S WRITTEN DURING HOURS OF OPERATION, THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGES ARE MADE AVAILABLE.

UM, IT COULD BE SHIFTED TO A FOCUS ON MAYBE NIGHTTIME HOURS MM-HMM .

UM, SO IT COULD BE SIX TO 11.

UM, THAT'S AN OPTION FOR THE COMMISSION TO REDUCE THE, THE SCOPE OF THAT REQUIREMENT.

AND THEN LASTLY, I RECALL THAT THERE'S BEEN AN ISSUE, UM, WITH SEMIS PARKING ON THAT SIDE, ON THAT ROOSEVELT ALONG, ALL ALONG ROOSEVELT, WHICH PROBABLY ALSO IMPACTS PARKING.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS STILL MONITORING OR HANDLING OR, I REMEMBER THAT IT WAS KIND OF A BIG DEAL.

LIKE THE CITY STARTED ENFORCING TRUCKS, UM, SEMI TRUCKS, PARKING ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY, AND IT, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY ALL NOW ARE KIND OF ON THAT STARTED PARKING ON THAT SIDE.

IS THERE ARE, IS THAT AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE FOR THE CITY OR IS THAT A CALTRAN THING, OR WHAT IS THAT? 'CAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF ALL, ROOSEVELT TENDS TO HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF PARKING PARKED SEMIS OR TRUCKS ON THAT AREA.

UM, FROM A PLANNING STAND PERSPECTIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'VE HEARD THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ULTIMATE ANSWER TO THAT WAS.

UM, MAYBE I DON'T PAY ATTENTION, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE MAYBE IT'S REDUCED OR THEY'RE NOT THERE ANYMORE, BUT OKAY.

I DON'T LIVE IN THE AREA, SO I DON'T ALWAYS PAY ATTENTION TO, TO THAT AREA WHEN I DRIVE THROUGH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

UH, VICE CHAIR, CASTLE SALGADO? YES.

I HAD, UM, MINE IS MORE FOR THE, UM, FOR THE, A APPLICANT.

THANK YOU MR. CORTEZ.

UM, I, I KNOW WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US, UM, PRIOR, UM, THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A PRIVATE FACILITY, UM, A A CLUB OF, OF SORT, IS THE RESTAURANT GONNA BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OR IS IT STILL GOING TO BE JUST FOR THE CLUB? IT HAS TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC BY ALL.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS ON THAT.

AND THEN, UM, THE, SO CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY OF WHAT THE FENCING OR SHIELDING WILL, WILL LOOK LIKE FOR THE, UM, FOR THE OUTSIDE AREA WHERE THE CONSUMPTION, UH, WILL BE? WILL THERE BE LIKE SOME SORT OF NETTING OR LIKE SHIELDING? I HONESTLY COULDN'T TELL YOU.

I WASN'T WORKING ON THAT PROJECT, BUT, UH, I'M SORRY.

I SUSPECT STAFF COULD ANSWER THAT.

DO YOU HAVE THAT ANSWER? UH, UH, I'M SORRY.

MR. CORTEZ, YOU HAD A COMMENT.

YOU, YOU WERE, WELL, I WANTED A COMMENT ALSO ON, UM, COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA'S.

UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT WOULD BE OPEN TO A COURTESY WALK TO WHAT? COURTESY WALK.

OH, WHAT WOULD YOU CORTEZ STAFF.

VERSUS A MANDATORY.

I THINK YOU HAVE THAT THOUGH.

ASSESSED WITH LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.

AND, BUT I JUST, I NEEDED TO PUT ON THE RECORD.

OKAY, GOT IT.

'CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO CITY COUNCIL, HOPEFULLY.

MM-HMM .

I GOT IT.

AND THEN SECONDLY, UM, SECURITY IS NORMALLY, UH,

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SO YOU NORMALLY SEE ONE SECURITY GUARD FOR EVERY 50 PEOPLE.

AND THAT'S IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH A, B, C, WHERE THEY PUT THOSE TYPES OF, BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A TYPE DIFFERENT TYPE OF FACILITY.

BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YES, WE WANNA HAVE A VERY SAFE INVITING, UH, FACILITY FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE RESIDENTS OF COURSE.

SO, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT NOT MAKING IT MANDATORY.

I JUST WANNA ADDRESS YOUR OKAY.

UM, COMMISSIONER GOGI, I DON'T KNOW WHO TO ADDRESS THIS TO EITHER ONE OF YOU, BUT IF I'M CORRECT, I, I MISSED THE FIRST MEETING 'CAUSE I WASN'T HERE THEN.

BUT THERE'S NO PARKING ON THIS SITE AT ALL, CORRECT? NO.

NO.

SO YOU'RE PLANNING ON JUST HAVING THE SIDEWALK PARKING BECAUSE THIS FACILITY RIGHT NOW THAT YOU'RE PLANNING IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY ALVERSON CASARO AND PARKING IS A NIGHTMARE AND THEY HAVE PARKING ON THEIR PROPERTY, BUT THEY, ALL YOUR PATRONS, ESPECIALLY ON TOURNAMENTS, WHERE'RE GONNA, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA GO? BECAUSE THEY NEED TO FIND PARKING.

THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH PARKING FOR THE TOURNAMENTS.

'CAUSE THEY OVERFLOW ALL OVER OUR, OUR SPOTS THERE.

SO THAT'S A CONCERN I HAVE WITH, YEAH, THE SAFETY IN THE AREA, BUT THERE'S NO PARKING FOR A BIG FACILITY LIKE THIS.

AND COULD STAFF PLEASE ADDRESS THAT ISSUE? UM, SO AS MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, THE INTENTION TO POTENTIALLY DO TOURNAMENTS IN THE FUTURE, THEY'LL GO THROUGH THE TUP PROCESS.

WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THAT RIGHT NOW.

UM, AS FAR AS PARKING ON THE STREET, THERE ARE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES IN THE DIRECT VICINITY OR ADJACENT TO THE SITE.

UM, HOWEVER, IT, IT MAY NOT BE A ONE-TO-ONE RATIO WITH A NUMBER OF PATRONS THAT WILL BE ATTENDING.

UM, SO THERE MAY BE SOME PARKING THAT ON STREET PARKING THAT GOES MAYBE FURTHER DOWN THE BLOCK.

UM, IF THERE IS A PARKING ISSUE THERE, THEN YOU KNOW, PATRONS WILL HAVE TO, UM, BASICALLY GO AS FAR AS THEY HAVE TO TO FIND A SPOT.

UM, BUT AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UNDER STATE MANDATED RULES WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO IMPOSE ANY SPECIFIC PARKING REQUIREMENTS ON THIS USE.

SO PARKING IN PARTICULAR IS NOT REALLY UP FOR DISCUSSION ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR USE, WHICH HAS ALREADY, AGAIN, IT'S BEEN APPROVED UNDER A PREVIOUS CUP FOR THE PADDLE CENTER.

UM, GOING BACK, EXCUSE ME, STAFF.

UH, COULD YOU SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED, UH, DEFINED A PRIMARY LAND USE FOR THIS SITE AND WHY THE RESTAURANT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED THE PRIMARY LAND USE AS OPPOSED TO THE PADDLE BALL COURTS? UM, STAFF WOULD NOT SAY THAT THE RESTAURANT IS NOT A PRIMARY USE.

IT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BOTH USES ON THE RESTAURANT WOULD BE ONE PRIMARY USE.

THE, UH, RECREATION FACILITY WOULD BE ANOTHER PRIMARY USE.

AND, AND A, A RESTAURANT DOES NOT REQUIRE OFF STREET PARKING? NO, NOT UNDER AB 2097.

UH, THE PRIMARY EXCLUSION FROM THAT STATE LAW IS, UM, LIKE HOTELS, MOTELS, THOSE TYPES OF USES.

STEPH.

I'M SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION.

PLEASE CONTINUE.

NO, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF CIRCLE BACK TO THE, THE FENCING ISSUE.

UM, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED WITH, YOU KNOW, BEING A MIXED USE ZONE AND VISIBILITY AS WELL AS THE CONCEPT OF EYES ON THE STREET.

UM, WHEN THE PADDLE CENTER WAS APPROVED, IT WAS APPROVED OF THE CONDITION FOR A MAXIMUM OPAQUE WALL OR FENCE HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET.

SO THERE WOULD BE SOME VISIBILITY BOTH IN AND OUTTA THE SITE.

UM, WITH THE ALCOHOL CUP BEFORE US TODAY, UM, THE ALMOST LIKE LAYERED CONDITION WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR SECURITY CAMERAS THAT WOULD BE OPERATIONAL AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEE BOTH ONSITE AND DO ADJACENT SIDEWALKS.

YOU CONFIRM THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? UM, I, I'M GONNA REFRAIN FROM COMMENTING ON THAT I'M THE CITY'S ATTORNEY.

UM, THANK YOU.

I RECOGNIZE MYSELF FOR, FOR A MOMENT HERE, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UM, ESCORTING PATRONS TO THEIR AUTOMOBILES.

UH, AND THIS MAY BE A, A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL, IT SEEMS, UH, WELL, I KNOW THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS GOOD SAMARITAN LAWS.

IF I WITNESS SOMEBODY CHOKING TO DEATH AND I ATTEMPT TO HELP THEM AND THEY DIE ANYWAYS, I CANNOT BE SUED BECAUSE I WAS A GOOD SAMARITAN TRYING TO HELP THEM OUT.

UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF, UH, THIS BUSINESS GOES AHEAD AND HAS, UM, SERVICES TO ESCORT PEOPLE TO THEIR VEHICLES, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTER MONTHS WHEN IT'S SO DARK THAT THIS WOULD FALL UNDER THE GOOD SAMARITAN LAWS.

COUNSEL, COULD

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I, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF MY PURVIEW AND I, I DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE PROVIDING THAT TYPE OF LEGAL ADVICE.

UM, MR. CORTEZ, YOU MIGHT LOOK INTO THAT.

'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T SEE, WELL, I, I, I, I CAN'T SAY DEFINITIVELY, BUT I ENCOURAGE ANY ATTORNEYS WHO ARE WORKING ON YOUR SIDE TO LOOK INTO THAT.

I, I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I WILL.

I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL CONVEY THAT TO THE APPLICANT.

UM, ANOTHER ISSUE, UH, NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED EXCEPT IN PASSING, IS THE AMOUNT OF LIGHTING, UM, IN THE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE.

UM, IS THERE ANY AMOUNT OF LIGHTING THAT'S SYNDICATED? UH, THERE'S ALSO PASSING MENTION OF CAMERAS.

CAMERAS AREN'T THAT GOOD.

EVEN WITH, UH, THE, THE, UM, NIGHT VISION KIND OF CAMERAS.

IT'S BEST IF THERE'S ADEQUATE LIGHTING, MORE THAN ADEQUATE LIGHTING EVEN IT'S, IF IT'S ON THE PRIVATE SIDE.

UH, DOES STAFF KNOW HOW MUCH LIGHTING THERE IS ON THE, UM, PUBLIC SIDE ON THE STREET SIDE? BECAUSE SOME PLACES ARE NOT VERY WELL LIT.

AND I THINK THAT'S LIKE, UH, UH, THE MALL AT PLAZA BONITA, OCCASIONALLY MY WIFE IS ESCORTED TO HER CAR FROM SOME OF THE, THE MAJOR RETAILERS THERE BECAUSE THE PARKING LOTS THERE ARE SO FRICKING DARK.

UM, AND, UH, IT WOULD BE NICE IF THIS COULD REALLY BE A LIT UP AREA AT NIGHTTIME.

SO, UM, THAT'S JUST A COMMENT.

UM, STAFF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, UM, HAD CONSIDERED THAT.

UH, IS THERE, UH, A SPECIFIC PLAN, UH, THAT IS BEING GIVEN TO STAFF TO REVIEW FOR CAMERA, WHICH SHOULD INCLUDE GOOD , UM, TO THE CHAIR? UH, WHENEVER WE HAVE A NEW, UH, COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, UM, UNDER BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW, IT IS SUBJECT TO OUR CHAPTER ON OUTDOOR LIGHTING.

UM, IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT, UH, WAS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT LIGHTING ONSITE.

UM, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRED TO, UH, PROVIDE A CITY SERVICE AND, AND EXTEND LIGHTING BEYOND THE STREET.

HOWEVER, GIVEN THE, THE NATURE OF THE TYPE OF LIGHTING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS USE TALLER LIGHTING TO LIGHT UP THE COURTS, UH, WE CAN ANTICIPATE THERE'D BE SOME, UM, BLEED OUT ONTO THE SIDEWALK AREA.

UM, I DO HAVE A PHOTO OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY PUBLIC WORKS.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT PHOTO, UH, THERE IS AT LEAST SOME PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED LIGHTING IN THE, IN THE AREA.

UM, WHETHER OR NOT IT COVERS THE ENTIRE STREET, UM, I KNOW, I KNOW THERE IS SOME STREET LIGHTING THERE, BUT IT MAY NOT BE SUFFICIENT TO COVER THE ENTIRE BLOCK.

UM, AND THEN STAFF, WHEN THEY REVIEW BUILDING PERMITS, UH, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN MYSELF IN THIS INSTANCE, UH, PAYS CLOSE ATTENTION TO, UM, PEDESTRIAN AREAS.

SO ENTRIES INTO THE SITE, UM, THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT I WOULD'VE BEEN LOOKING AT AS FAR AS PROVIDING SUFFICIENT LIGHTING FOR, FOR PEDESTRIANS PICTURES.

UM, THE QUESTION IS, WHEN THE, WHEN WERE THESE PICTURES TAKEN? ARE THEY RECENT? UM, THESE WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT? UM, BASED ON THE, WHAT I'M SEEING THAT IT'S PROBABLY AT AT LEAST TWO OR THREE YEARS OLD, I'M ASSUMING.

MM-HMM.

UM, IT'S NOT WITHIN THE PAST SIX MONTHS.

UH, ONE LAST QUESTION.

WHAT IS THE, UH, A ASSEMBLY BILL NUMBER THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, UH, ALLOWS THERE TO BE NO PARKING? WHAT WAS THAT AB NUMBER? NINE SEVEN.

SO AB AB CALIFORNIA BILL AB 2097.

UM, IT WAS PASSED MAYBE TWO YEARS AGO.

UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, ARMA, I'LL BE ASKING EVERYBODY, UH, BUT FOR SERGEANT CAMACHO, I DIDN'T SEE IN THE REPORT.

UM, AND WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY LIKE, UM, PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS AROUND THERE? I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT STATS ON THE PEDESTRIAN INVOLVED COLLISIONS.

I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME INTENTIONAL STRIKING OF PROSTITUTES WITH VEHICLES, BUT NOTHING, UH, NO MAJOR COLLISIONS INVOLVING PEDESTRIANS IN THAT AREA, UH, LATELY.

THE INTEGRITY CHARTER SCHOOL MOVING NEARBY THERE ON ROOSEVELT STREET SOMEWHERE? UM, AGAIN, AS STAFF MEMBER REVIEWING BUILDING PERMITS, UM, THERE IS A PERMIT THAT HAS BEEN UNDER REVIEW FOR A NEW FACILITY TO BE LOCATED AT NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD IN THIRD, I BELIEVE.

UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UH, SERGEANT CAMACHO AND FOR STAFF, UH, THERE, CAN YOU REMIND ME, UH, IS

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UM, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT NEW FACILITY, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE IT FULLY, UH, MEANS THAT THE OLD FACILITY WILL BE OLD CAMPUS WILL BE COMPLETELY CLOSED.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE CHARTER SCHOOL INTENDS TO DO WITH THE CURRENT FACILITY AT EIGHTH AND NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD ONCE THAT NEW SCHOOL IS COMPLETED.

SO I, I'M JUST ASKING JUST, UH, FOR THE SAFETY CONCERN.

'CAUSE NOW THERE'LL BE KIDS WALKING AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYWHERE.

I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE USES OF, UM, GOING DOWN ROOSEVELT, BUT I KNOW WHEN I WAS A KID I WOULD GO FOR CHEAP EATS, YOU KNOW, A JACK IN THE BOXES THERE OR SOMETHING.

SO THAT'S A CONCERN.

AND WITH THE ENTRANCE OF THE, UM, THE FREEWAY THERE, UH, WAS THERE EVER ANY THOUGHT OF PUTTING THOSE, UM, LIKE CROSSWALKS WITH THE LITTLE FLASHING LIGHTS ON THE GROUND OR SOMETHING? OR JUST TO ALERT DRIVERS AND OR, UH, ANY CUSTOMERS COMING OUT OF THIS BUSINESS THAT MIGHT HAVE HAD A FEW DRINKS? UM, ANY PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY ENGINEER OR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

UM, THOSE WOULD'VE BEEN PROVIDED AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

UM, I, I DO NOT BELIEVE THEY PROVIDED ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PERMIT OR THE PREVIOUS PERMIT FOR THE PADDLE CENTER.

UM, AND THEN FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, I MAYBE I AM NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE HESITATION ON THE, UM, ON THE COURTESY WALK.

I KNOW YOU'RE VERY, UH, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU'RE VERY ON THE LANGUAGE FOR IT NOT TO BE MANDATORY.

SO IF I WAS A, A CLUB MEMBER AND I ASKED FOR A COURTESY WALK, THEN UH, IF IT'S NOT MANDATORY, I WOULD JUST FEEL LIKE, OH, WOW.

THE BUSINESS CAN SAY, WE'RE TOO BUSY, WE CAN'T WALK YOU.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, IS THERE SOME KIND OF LANGUAGE THAT THAT WON'T HAPPEN IF SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY ASKS? I, I, I THINK I, I CAN, I'M HEARING YOU LOUD AND CLEAR THIS EVENING MM-HMM .

AND I'LL CONVEY THIS TO THE APPLICANT.

UM, ALSO, UM, I BELIEVE IN THE PRESENTATION IT DID SAY THAT THE ALCOHOL WAS STRICTLY GONNA BE OUTSIDE.

YES.

SO, ON COLD RAINY NIGHTS, THERE'S GONNA BE NO ALCOHOL SALES.

I THINK THE, THE, PERHAPS THE CLIMATE WILL DETERMINE WHETHER THAT PEOPLE WILL STAND THE, THE, THE ELEMENTS OR NOT.

SO IT, IT WILL STRICTLY BE OUTSIDE THEN? YES.

AND THE, UH, AND THEN I THINK YOU ASKED ABOUT, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC THEN THE CORRECT DIRECT FILE.

UH, COMMISSIONER QUINONES, UM, I WASN'T SURE, I KNOW THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER VENEZUELA BROUGHT UP SOME OF THESE ISSUES, BUT ON PAGE 10 IT SAYS, I DON'T KNOW, I FORGOT HOW IT WENT.

BUT ANYWAY, IT SAYS, NUMBER ONE, THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SERVE ANY ALCOHOL UNTIL PEOPLE EAT.

IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, THEY HAVE TO PURCHASE ALCOHOL WITH FOOD.

YOU HAVE TO PURCHASE FOOD BEFORE, UH, UH, TOGETHER, HAND IN HAND TO GET, AND THAT'S GONNA START AT EIGHT O'CLOCK.

SO PEOPLE ARE GONNA START DRINKING AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, CORRECT? MM-HMM .

AND I AND I, HUH? THEY HAVE THE OPTION .

CRIME BY SERVING A ALCOHOL AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING UNTIL 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.

THEY HAVE THE OPTION.

THEY'RE GONNA START DRINKING AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

AND, UH, SO, BUT THEY CAN'T BREAKFAST, SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED TO PLAY UNTIL THEY PURCHASE FOOD IN ORDER TO PURCHASE ALCOHOL.

CORRECT.

AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

AND I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AT THE GOLF COURSE AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AT OTHER PLACES.

BUT MY CONCERN IS LOCATION, YOU KNOW, THAT PLACE IS REALLY, LIKE YOU SAID, ESCORTS ARE ALWAYS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

THERE'S A LOT OF CRIME THERE.

AND THEN PARKING, ALL THOSE BIG SEA MINE TRUCKS OF 18 WHEELERS ARE PARKED THERE.

THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN.

I ALSO HAVE ALL THE PARKING THERE.

WHERE ARE PEOPLE GONNA PARK? AND IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY DARK AREA.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, HOW YOU PLAN ON PUTTING A LOT OF LIGHTS AND THEN STARTED DRINKING AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.

'CAUSE WHEN I GO THROUGH THERE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, YOU SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.

THAT'S, SHE CALLS 'EM ESCORTS, YOU KNOW, AND YOU STILL SEE 'EM A LOT.

SO MY CONCERN IS THE LOCATION, IT'S NOT THE EIGHT O'CLOCK DRINKING.

'CAUSE WE'VE, UH, VOTED FOR A LOT OF OTHER PLACES IN TOWN TO HAVE EIGHT O'CLOCK DRINKING.

FOR ME, THAT'S A LITTLE EARLY.

JUST, I, I MEAN, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT, EVEN THOUGH IT CAME INTO THE MEDIA, BUT ONE MORE POINT, TWO MORE POINTS, IT WOULD'VE BEEN HIGH RISK AND CRIME.

AND THAT'S JUST SUCH A AREA WHERE YOU SEE A LOT OF CRIME GOING ON AND A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON.

AND IT'S LIKE ADDING TO THAT, THAT

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AND THEN THERE'S NO SECURITY.

THERE'S NOT, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY LIGHTS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE.

I MEAN, TO ME IT'S JUST LIKE AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE FACTORS THAT I'VE MENTIONED.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A, AND MAYBE ONLY ONE SECURITY.

WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IF ONE SECURITY IS ESCORTING SOMEBODY TO THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE, THAT PLACE IS, THAT AREA IS REALLY DANGEROUS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

AND YOU ARE ONLY GONNA HAVE ONE PERSON FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE.

WELL, WHAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS WHEN THE SECURITY IS GOING? SO JUST, AND THEN HESITATING TO ESCORT SOMEBODY AS A COURTESY WALK, TO ME, THAT'S A CONCERN.

THAT'S AN ISSUE.

AND JUST ONE SECURITY GUARD IS ALSO AN ISSUE AND STARTING TO DRINK SO EARLY IN THE MORNING.

AND LIKE IT SAYS, THERE RECOMMENDS REFRAINING FROM SELLING TO PATRONS WHO HAVE YET COMPLETED OR PADDLE OR PICKLEBALL GAMES THEY INTEND TO ENGAGE IN.

SO HOW ARE THEY GONNA START SERVING AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IF PEOPLE HAVE TO START EATING EIGHT O'CLOCK IN ORDER TO HAVE A BEER OR A GLASS OF WINE? WELL, THIS, THIS SPORT, AND I MIGHT REMIND YOU, YOU, THAT THERE'S ONLY FIVE COURTS.

IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE VERY LIMITED.

IT'S A VERY, AND I'VE SAID THIS IN THE PAST ABOUT OTHER PROJECTS I'VE WORKED ON HERE IN THE CITY.

THIS IS A, DEFINITELY A, A DESTINATION LOCATION.

IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE WHERE PEOPLE ARE RUNNING TOWARDS THIS PLACE.

AND I MIGHT ADD THAT THE INVESTMENT BEING MADE AND THE AMOUNT OF LIGHTING AND SECURITY CAMERAS WILL MAKE A DETERRENT FOR A LOT OF THAT ILLICIT ACTIVITY ON ROOSEVELT.

SO AGAIN, I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN THE BROKEN WINDOW THEORY.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU FIX THE WINDOW, CRIME WILL GO AWAY.

AND CRIMINALS THRIVE IN THOSE TYPES OF ENVIRONMENTS.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE THAT INVESTMENT COMING IN, PEOPLE COMING IN MORE EYES, MORE WITNESSES, MORE WITNESSES, THEY DON'T WANNA BE A PART OF THAT.

SO THAT'S JUST TO ADDRESS ONE, ONE COMPONENT AS FAR AS THE ALCOHOL.

AND THIS IS NO OTHER, NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER RESTAURANT, WHETHER IT'S ON NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD, ON ROOSEVELT, ANY OTHER PART OF THE CITY ITSELF.

SO I THINK IT'S RESPONSIBLE, INCUMBENT UPON THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE APPLICANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE, BECAUSE AS I MENTIONED, THEY'RE VERY HEAVILY REGULATED BY NATIONAL CITY, DPD, HEAVY REGULATED BY A, B, C TWO BLOCKS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

BUT IT'S THAT PLACE.

I, I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND IT'S GREAT THAT, THAT VACANT LOT IS, THERE'S GONNA BE SOMETHING DONE WITH THE VACANT LOT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S GOOD, BUT NOW IT'S NOT.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST SO INFESTED WITH CRIME AND PEOPLE THERE ALL THE TIME.

EVERY TIME I GO THROUGH THERE, I GET OFF FIVE AND I TURN ON FOURTH.

AND WHAT DO YOU SEE? YOU KNOW, YOU JUST SEE ALL THE CRIME, YOU SEE ALL THE PEOPLE.

I MEAN, SOMETIMES I HAVE TO STOP AND WAIT UNTIL THE CARS GO BY, UNTIL THEY TALK OR WHATEVER THEY DO.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE, THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE I HAVE.

IT'S JUST THE AREA.

I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT SOMETHING IN THAT LOT 'CAUSE IT'S SO, YOU KNOW, UNDESIRABLE.

BUT, UM, AND MY CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ALCOHOL WITH ALL THE CRIME AND ALL THE ESCORTS THERE AND ALL THE LADIES OF THE EVENING OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA REFER TO THEM, IT'S JUST, WHICH I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THEM.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ADULTS, DO WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO, BUT IT IS A CRIME.

AND, UH, I'M JUST THINKING THAT BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS WITH ALL THE CONCERNS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE MENTIONED.

AND THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS, THE ALCOHOL AND THE LIGHTING, AND NOT HAVING PEOPLE TO ESCORT PEOPLE AND THE PARKING, BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU GO THROUGH THERE AT NIGHT, ALL THOSE TRUCKS ARE PARKED AT, ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET.

THERE'S NO PARKING, AND THEN THE HOTEL IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

SO IT'S JUST NO, THERE'S NO PARKING, THERE'S NO LIGHTING.

AND IT'S SUCH A, I I THINK WHAT'S THIS BUSINESS GETS UP AND GOING, UM, THEY'RE GONNA PIVOT AND THEY'RE GONNA START TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT I DON'T FEEL SAFE WALKING OVER THERE.

I WOULDN'T FEEL SAFE.

AND PERHAPS AT, IN THE FUTURE.

I DON'T WANNA DISCUSS THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M GONNA THROW IT OUT THERE BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THIS DONE IN COMPROMISES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, WHERE YOU CAN HAVE SOME KIND OF JOINT PARKING USE SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE WITH SOME OF THE FACILITIES RUN, WHETHER IT'S SOUTHWESTERN COLLEGE, WHETHER IT'S THE RAMADA IN ITSELF.

UH, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIMITED AMOUNT OF REPORTS.

WE'RE NOT EXPECTING LIKE 75 PEOPLE BEING THERE AT ONE TIME.

SO I CAN SEE PEOPLE COMING EBB AND FLOWING THROUGHOUT THE DAY, BUT I, I DON'T SEE, AGAIN, PEOPLE JUST HANGING OUT JUST TO HANG OUT.

IT'S A VERY POPULAR SPORT.

IT'S, IT'S NOW THE OLYMPICS.

IT'S THE FIRST TIME.

SO I HOPE I OKAY.

ADDRESS.

I HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK.

UM, WHAT KIND OF FOOD ARE YOU GUYS GONNA SERVE? IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE OF, UH, BREAKFAST.

AMERICANA.

STADIUM TYPE LIGHTS THAT ARE HIGH IN THE AIR MM-HMM .

UM, SAME THING WITH BREAKFAST, LUNCH, DINNER.

SO SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF LIKE, IF YOU'RE SERVING BREAKFAST, YOU CAN GET A BLOODY MARY OR YEAH.

'CAUSE A BEER AND WINE LICENSE TYPE 41 ALLOWS FOR BEER AND WINE, CHAMPAGNE AND SAKI, UH, MIMOSA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH BREAKFAST, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

UM, AND THEN ON, UM, I I DID WANT TO ALSO MENTION, UM, THIS IS TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL, RIGHT? UM, THE TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S AT NIGHTTIME, UM, FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN PLAYING, THEY USUALLY HAVE REALLY BIG KIND OF

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THAT SHINE DOWN ON THE COURTS.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY BRIGHT AS COME AS, YOU KNOW, LIKE A FOOTBALL FIELD OR SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF THAT, LIKE LIT UP VERY BRIGHT.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THOSE, YOU'RE ALSO STATING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LIGHTS THAT SHINE DOWN FROM THE INSIDE ONTO THE SIDEWALKS.

CORRECT.

AND THE OUTSIDE AREA AS WELL.

CORRECT.

AND 12 CAMERAS, UM, HIGH FOUR, FOUR, I THINK YOU SAID.

4K HD CAMERAS TO BE ABLE TO, WILL ALLOW NATIONAL CDPD TO HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE.

OH.

OH, THAT'S WONDERFUL.

THAT'S WONDERFUL NEWS.

UM, SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET A BIG PICTURE OF IT.

SO I, AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD SAY IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE, MOST, YOU KNOW, MOST TRUCKERS ARE WORKING DURING THE DAYTIME AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COME AND THEY PARK THEIR TRUCKS AT NIGHTTIME.

IF THOSE PARKING SPOTS ARE NOT THERE, THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO PARK.

SO, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR, YOUR OPERATIONAL HOURS ARE UNTIL 10:00 PM OR 11:00 PM I BELIEVE 11:00 PM UM, DAILY, 10:00 PM THERE'S A CUTOFF FOR ALCOHOL, OR I BEG YOUR PARDON.

THEY STOP SERVING, PLAYING AT 10:00 PM UHHUH , ABC'S CLOSE.

THE ALCOHOL LICENSE IS REQUESTED TILL 11:00 PM SO PEOPLE CAN JUST FINISH UP, UNWIND, RELAX THERE A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN THEY CAN GO ABOUT THE WAY, AND YOU'RE GONNA BE SERVING FOOD THE WHOLE TIME.

RIGHT.

FROM I KNOW WE HAVE TO MORNING UNTIL, UNTIL EVENING TIME.

UM, OKAY.

AND, UH, THE, AND THE, UM, UH, THE OPERATOR IS OKAY WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMETHING REASONABLE SUCH AS WITHIN, UH, A, A BLOCK RADIUS WALKING IF, IF IT'S REQUESTED BY A PATRON TO BE WALKED TO THEIR VEHICLE.

I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE, REASONABLE BY THE SECURITY GUARD SOME, SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY NOT WALKING THEM HOME AGAIN, IT WAS JUST, I PRESSED UPON ME TO MAKE THIS AN ISSUE TONIGHT BY, BY THE APPLICANT.

CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER ARMA, IF THE FACILITY WERE, ALL THE COURTS IN THE FACILITY WERE TO BE FULL, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A BUSY DAY, WHAT WOULD BE THE NUMBER OF, UH, PATRONS? MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY? YES.

THE MAXIMUM, UH, IN, YEAH.

IN THE COURTS.

UM, STAFF DOES NOT HAVE THAT NUMBER.

IT WOULD BE, UM, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL WOULD ESTABLISH THAT NUMBER AS FAR AS MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF THE AREA.

IF YOU HAVE DOUBLES AT SIX QUARTS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 24 PEOPLE, 25 PEOPLE, FOUR PEOPLE, 24 PLUS ANY, ANY, UH, COMMUNITY OR MEMBERS THAT WALK IN TO EAT CORRECT.

OR RESTAURANTS.

UM, JUST TRYING TO GET NUMBERS OF PARKING SPACES.

UH, ALSO, IS THERE ANY, UH, KIND OF PROTOCOL, UH, FOR ANY PEOPLE LOUNGING AROUND, UH, IN THE RESTAURANT AND OR THE OUTDOOR FACILITIES? I'M SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE JUST LINGERING JUST TO LINGER MM-HMM .

THEY'LL BE ASKED TO LEAVE.

AND I, I JUST BRING THAT UP.

JUST, YOU KNOW, IT, THE, WE'VE SEEN HERE IN OUR CITY, UH, ESCORTS BE VERY, UH, CREATIVE AND, YOU KNOW, AND I, MAYBE THEY MIGHT PUT ON EXTRA CLOTHES AND LAWYER AROUND THERE.

WELL, THAT'S IT.

THANK, OH, WAIT, WAIT.

ONE MORE.

UM, THE, THE 12 CAMERAS ARE, ARE THEY GONNA BE CONSTANTLY MONITORED BY SOMEBODY OR ARE THEY JUST GONNA BE OH, YEAH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

'CAUSE I'M SEEING IT CORRECT.

YEAH, THERE'LL BE A LITTLE SCREEN BACK THERE.

UH, COMMISSIONER GOGI, I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK.

UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING.

I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT LIGHT BECAUSE I SEE THE OTHER FACILITY WITH THE LIGHTS ARE AMAZING AT PICKLEBALL, BUT YOU ALSO, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, PICKLEBALL IS ALSO THE FASTEST GROWING SPORT GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

SO FOR YOU TO EVEN CONTEMPLATE MAYBE ONLY 25 PEOPLE AT A TIME, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY 75 TO A HUNDRED.

I'M SURE THERE'S GONNA BE AT SOME POINT WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A RESERVATION YEAH.

EVENTUALLY.

AND THEN SO THEY CAN MANAGE THAT FLOW EBB AND FLOW OF PEOPLE.

RIGHT.

AND FOR THE CITY, NOT TO EVEN MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT OR WHATEVER, YOU WILL BE HAVING TOURNAMENTS.

WE ALL KNOW THAT.

AND, AND THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT IT'S GONNA BE DOWN THE LINE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE.

BUT YOU'RE TALKING OVER PROBABLY 200 PEOPLE SOMETIMES ON THOSE.

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ACROSS THE STREET.

SO THAT'S A CONCERN WITH ME.

MOST OF THOSE TOURNAMENTS, YOU DON'T HAVE THE PARKING, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THOSE PEOPLE ON TOURNAMENTS.

AND THAT'S, THAT BOTHERS ME A LITTLE BIT.

AND, AND IT'LL GO INTO THE NIGHTTIME.

THESE TOURNAMENTS GO INTO THE NIGHT AND THE WALKING'S GONNA BE FOUR TO SIX BLOCKS AWAY.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE REALLY CLOSE.

I THINK THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING WE REALLY CONSIDER.

AGAIN, I, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME KIND OF PIVOT WHERE THERE WILL BE SOME KIND OF SHARED PARKING REQUIREMENT THAT PEOPLE GET SHUTTLED FOR THOSE TOURNAMENTS.

UH, I, I FORESEE, UH, THERE'RE GONNA BE RECONFIGURATIONS FOR THOSE TOURNAMENTS THAT WILL BE ON WEEKENDS ONLY.

UNLESS THERE'S SOME HOLIDAY OR SOMETHING ON A MONDAY.

BUT, UM, AGAIN, I I KIND OF LIKE THE IMAGINATION THAT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING, , YOU KNOW? YEAH.

THIS IS CONDUCIVE TO, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THIS ACTIVITY TO NATIONAL CITY, RIGHT? OH, YEAH.

I THINK THE ACTIVITY IS FANTASTIC.

PICKLEBALL IS SOMETHING WE NEED AND, AND MOST OF OUR RUSSIANS WANT, UM, THE TENNIS COURTS TAKE 'EM OR LEAVE THEM, BUT , THE PICKLEBALL IS REALLY BIG RIGHT NOW, BUT MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, AND THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE LEAVING.

PEOPLE CAN DRINK ANYWHERE THEY GO, SO GET USED TO THAT PART.

BUT THE SAFETY IN THAT AREA IS A SCARY THOUGHT.

COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER QUINONES DID, NO, I JUST WANNA ECHO WHAT YOU SAID.

THE SAFETY, THAT'S THE BIG CONCERN.

BECAUSE OF THE AREA WHERE IT'S LOCATED AND ONLY HAVING ONE SECURITY GUARD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THEY WILL ESCORT PEOPLE ON FIGURE, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU'RE GONNA FIGURE IT OUT.

IT, IT'LL, IT, THAT MESSAGE WILL GET BACK TO THEM.

IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE FOR ME.

ABSOLUTELY.

UH, COMMISSIONER AMENTA, I, I KNOW WE'RE BEATING THE DEAD HORSE ON THIS, BUT, UH, I LIVE NEARBY AND I WAS JUST THINKING LIKE, IF I WANTED TO WALK FROM MY HOUSE TO THIS FACILITY, IT, I LITERALLY HAVE TO WALK BY, YOU KNOW, ALL THE ROOSEVELT AND EVEN IT EXTENDS OVER TO NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD.

SO I'M THINKING OBVIOUSLY THE, WITH THE PARKING, IT'D BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO DRIVE MY CAR THERE.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THERE CAN BE.

UM, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED PARTNERING WITH OTHER BUSINESSES, AND I KNOW, I'M JUST THINKING LIKE, WOULD I HAVE TO PARK MY CAR AT, AT EMMA'S AND THEN STILL WALK OVER, WHICH THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST DANGEROUS BLOCKS THERE, FROM, YOU KNOW, THIRD, FOURTH UNTIL SEVENTH.

SO IT'S JUST, UH, YEAH.

EVEN IF IT'S LIGHTED THERE, THE MINUTE YOU CROSS OVER TO THE OTHER BLOCKS, THAT'S WHEN YOU KNOW SAFETY CONCERNS.

THANK YOU, MR. CORTEZ.

HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? THIS WOULD BE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE SALGADO AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARMINTA TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION VICE CHAIR.

UM, CASTLE SALGADO HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.

NO COMMENT.

MOTION APPROVED WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.

IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ANY, UH, BY ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.

THEIR PATRONS TO, UM, PARK SO THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR PLACE.

I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONGST THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.

UM, VICE CHAIR? I AM, YES.

I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO MAKE AN A A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE, UH, WITH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT MODIFICATIONS TO THIS.

UM, I, FIRST OF ALL, I, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NATIONAL CITY NEEDS.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE APPROVED BEFORE.

IT'S NOTHING NEW.

UM, I THINK THAT WHEN THEY GET THIS DONE, THEY'RE GONNA LIGHT IT UP OVER THERE AND IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT DETERRENT.

UM, PARKING WISE, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.

THERE.

THERE'S LAWS IN PLACE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO.

WE, WE CANNOT ENFORCE THAT AND WE CANNOT REQUIRE THAT.

UM, I'M SURE AS A BUSINESS, THEY DO WANT TO ENCOURAGE A PLACE FOR

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UM, SO I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS NUMBER 17, UM, MEND THAT TO BE A, WITHIN A ONE BLOCK RADIUS AT THE PATRONS REQUEST.

UM, SO I THINK COMPLIMENTARY, UM, UH, OFFER COMPLIMENTARY ESCORT FOR PATRONS PARKED WITHIN A REASONABLE DISTANCE.

I WOULD SAY CHANGE THE REASONABLE DISTANCE TO A ONE BLOCK RADIUS AT PATRON'S REQUEST SO THAT THE ONE SECURITY GUARD IS NOT BEING KEPT AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL FACILITY, UM, WITH WALKING PEOPLE AWAY.

UM, AND THEN I WOULD HONESTLY, I'M, I'M AGREEING WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE RESTAURANT NEEDS TO DISPLAY THAT THE PATREONS NEED TO REFRAIN FROM CONSUMING ALCOHOL PRIOR TO ENGAGING IN SPORTS.

UM, THEY DO NOT DO THAT AT THE GOLF COURSE.

THEY DO NOT DO THAT AT THE BOWLING ALLEY.

I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY DO THAT AT THE GYM.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT THAT THEY SERVE ALCOHOL AT THE GYM, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S, IT'S SOME SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE TAKING ON YOUR OWN LIABILITY AND YOUR PERSONAL, UM, LIABILITY WITH CONSUM, WITH CONSUMPTION OF THE ALCOHOL.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD, UM, WITH THOSE TWO MODIFICATIONS AND, UH, MOVE TO APPROVE BASED ON CONDITION NUMBER ONE.

UM, OR I'M SORRY, BASED ON THE, UM, FINDING, UH, THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CQA UNDER CLASS THREE OF THE CQA GUIDELINES, SECTION 1 53 0 3, AND OTHER EXEMPTION AND APPROVE 2 0 5 DASH 27 CUP, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE RE RESOLUTION, EXCEPT FOR THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE MADE AND OR OTHER CONDITIONS BASED ON FINDINGS INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION AND OR OTHER FINDINGS TO BE DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION THROUGH THE CHAIR.

UH, YES, COMMISSIONER, DO, WOULD THE MAKER OF THE MOTION CONSIDER, UM, ON CONDITION NUMBER 17, UM, CHANGING THE HOURS OF THE SECURITY TO LIKE FIVE TO 11:00 PM SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT FROM EIGHT TO 11? ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT MODIFICATION.

SO THAT WOULD BE ANY TIME DURING THE DARK OR EVENING HOURS, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD MODIFICATION.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, COMMISSIONER ARMA? UH, I'D ALSO, UH, LIKE TO ASK IF, UH, VICE CHAIR AT CASTLE WOULD, UH, RECONSIDER NUMBER 19.

UM, I KNOW, UH, THE GOLF COURSE AND BOWLING ALLEY OR WHATEVER OTHER PLACES MIGHT NOT HAVE IT.

UH, BUT THEY'VE BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, A, A SIMPLE REMINDER SOMETIMES, UH, YOU KNOW, PICKLEBALL, I HAVE NOT PLAYED IT MYSELF, BUT I'M ASSUMING THERE'S A LOT OF JUMPING AND MOVEMENTS AND JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST A LITTLE REMINDER, A SIGNAGE.

I DON'T THINK IT'LL DETER ANYBODY FROM, UH, PURCHASING ANY LESS, BUT JUST, UH, A REMINDER THERE FOR, UH, THE BUSINESS.

AND, UH, IT'S A SAFETY THING.

BUT I, I, THAT WAS JUST MY THING IS, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN AROUND, SO THE IPS PROBABLY WAS NOT AROUND BACK THEN.

COMMISSIONER QUINONE, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT.

COULD, COULD YOU SUMMARIZE THEN THE, THE CHANGE YOU'RE SAYING THEN THAT CONDITION 19 SHOULD NOT BE AMENDED? NO.

UH, TO LEAVE AS IS? TO LEAVE IT AS IS IS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION OKAY WITH THAT? YES, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

LEAVING 19 AS IS.

IT'S, I MEAN, HONESTLY, IT'S PROBABLY JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND PUT A LIABILITY OFF OF THE OWNER FOR HAVING IT POSTED IN CASE SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN.

UM, BUT I THINK, UM, IN ALL FAIRNESS, I THINK THE REST OF IT SHOULD, SHOULD STAY THE WAY THAT IT IS.

AND, AND I WOULD OBSERVE TOO THAT, UH, PICKLEBALL IS NOT BOWLING OR GOLF.

IT IS VERY STRENUOUS.

THERE'S A LOT OF SWEAT, BLOOD AND TEARS THAT GOES INTO IT.

I HAVEN'T PLAYED, BUT I'VE SEEN IT PLAYED ON TELEVISION.

UM, .

YOU DON'T, IT'S NOT TENNIS GUYS, IT'S REALLY NOT TENNIS , BUT, BUT, BUT IT'S MORE STRENUOUS THAN GOLF OR BOWLING, UH, IS MY POINT.

FOOTBALL OR SOME OF THESE OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, VERY INTENSIVE, UH, PHYSICAL SPORTS.

AND, AND YOU DON'T SEE PEOPLE I DRIVE CARTS GOLF DRINKING BEFORE, GET BEHIND THE WHEEL , BUT YOU, YOU DON'T SEE PEOPLE DRINKING BEFORE, SAY, SOCCER OR

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SO, OKAY.

THEN THE ONLY CHANGES WOULD BE TO, UM, CONDITION NUMBER 17, UH, WOULD BE WITHIN THE ONE BLOCK RADIUS AND AT THE PA AT THE PATRONS REQUEST, AND ALSO FROM FIVE TO 11:00 PM FOR VERY GOOD.

SECURITY.

UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS THEN? OKAY.

UH, SO WE HAVE A MOTION.

SO, UH, MADAM SECRETARY, COULD YOU, WE HAVE A MOTION, WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND YOU NEED TO SAY IT.

PUT YOUR, WELL, NO, NO, JUST, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE, THE ELECTRONIC VERSION AND THEN WE NEED A SECOND FOR THAT.

DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SECOND IT? THANK YOU.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE SALGADO AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2026 DASH ZERO ONE AS AMENDED A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY CALIFORNIA, DETERMINING THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA, UH, GUIDELINES.

SECTION 1 53 0 1, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A BEER AND WINE SALES, A, B, C TYPE 41 AT A NEW RESTAURANT TO BE LOCATED AT 21 WEST SEVENTH STREET.

CASE FILE NUMBER 2025 DASH 2020, EXCUSE ME.

UH, CASE FILE NUMBER 2025 DASH 27 CUP, UH, WITH AN A N OF 5 55 DASH 0 5 2 DASH 15 BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, THE VICE CHAIR HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FIRST ON THE MOTION.

DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? I JUST WANNA SAY, I THINK IT'S GREAT, UM, THAT YOU'RE BRINGING LIFE OVER INTO THAT AREA.

UM, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING, UM, THAT WHOLE AREA JUST GO UNDER A WHOLE, UM, RENOVATION AND JUST UPGRADE AND, UM, A, A DETERRENT FOR WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.

UM, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, YOUR CLIENT THAT, THAT HE'S TAKING A RISK IN NATIONAL CITY TO, UM, PUT THAT THERE AND, AND DO THAT AND HELP US, AND THAT HE'S GONNA WORK WITH THE NATIONAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT AND COLLABORATE AND COOPERATE.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT ASSET FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.

THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR.

UM, WE WILL GO AHEAD THEN AND VOTE ON THE MOTION.

UH, MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE MOTION APPROVED WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.

THAT CONCLUDES DISCUSSION AND ACTIONS ON THIS.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, MR. CORTEZ AND THE APPLICANT.

STAFF REPORTS, UH, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, UH, YES, I KNOW AT THE END OF LAST YEAR WE TALKED ABOUT DOING SOME TRAINING.

[STAFF REPORTS]

UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY.

UH, WE'RE SHORT STAFFED AT THE MOMENT, SO WE'VE BEEN INUNDATED.

UM, BUT I PLAN ON HAVING THE TRAINING AT OUR FIRST MEETING IN MARCH, IF WE HAVE ONE.

WE DO NOT HAVE A SECOND MEETING THIS MONTH, BUT I PLAN TO HAVE IT IN MARCH.

PRINCIPAL PLANNER.

UM, NO STAFF REPORT.

UM, STAFF WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE WITH THIS, UH, COMMISSION.

WE HAVE A LOT OF VERY DIFFICULT APPLICATIONS THAT COME BEFORE YOU, AND, UH, I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION AND, UH, SERVICE YOU PROVIDE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU, MR. WELCH.

WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT.

YOU TOO.

STAFF, ALL OF YOU.

UM, OKAY.

FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, VICE CHAIR, CASTLE, SALGADO, GADO, HAPPY NEW YEAR.

COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.

NO, THANK NOTHING TO REPORT AT THIS POINT.

UH, COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ IS ABSENT.

COMMISSIONER ARMA, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU AND, UH, UM, JUST LIKE WITH THIS BUSINESS, I, I WANNA SAY, UH, I APPRECIATE, UH, SERGEANT CAMACHO AND HOPEFULLY, UH, FUTURE BUSINESSES LIKE THIS CAN, UH, PARTNER UP WITH YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT MORE.

COMMISSIONER QUINONE, NOTHING AT THIS MIC.

I'M HAPPY.

OOPS.

COULD YOU TURN ON, TURN ON YOUR MIC, PLEASE? NOTHING AT THIS TIME, EXCEPT HAPPY NEW YEAR, AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

OKAY, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL.

UH, COMMISSIONER GOGI, NOTHING IS THE SAME.