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[CALL TO ORDER]
PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND START THE MEETING.
I HEREBY CALL THE REGULAR HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING OF THE HOUSING COMMITTEE OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL, CITY OF OCTOBER 20TH, 2025 AT 6:00 PM TO ORDER A LIVE WEBCAST OF THIS MEETING MAY BE REVIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AT HTTPS SLASH SLASH WWW NATIONAL CITY CA.GOV/WEBCAST.
THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY'S WEBSITE INFORM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.
COMMENT@NATIONALCDC.GOV NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING, SECOND VIA ZOOM BY PRE-REGISTERING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING AT HTTPS SLASH SLASH WWW NATIONAL CDC.GOV/PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIRD, THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE COMMENTS IN PERSON AT THIS MEETING.
ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED WILL BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS APPROPRIATE PRIOR TO THEIR RESPECTIVE MEETINGS AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY WEBSITE.
IF IT RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE, I REQUEST THE HOUSING ADVISORY SECRETARY.
NOW PROCEED WITH ROLL CALL VICE CHAIR.
COMMISSIONER MEN OR COMMITTEE MEMBER? PRESENT.
PRESENT COMMITTEE MEMBER GOKI.
PRESENT COMMITTEE MEMBER VALENZUELA.
AND THEN COMMITTEE MEMBER SANCHEZ AND COMMITTEE MEMBER VALDEZ IS ABSENT.
VALDEZ DID ME NOTIFICATION SHE WASN'T COMING HERE DUE TO OTHER OBLIGATIONS.
UM, I WILL NOW HAVE VICE CHAIR CAST LEADERS IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I THE ALL TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION, NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE ALL.
I WILL NOW HEAR, OR EXCUSE ME, WE WILL NOW HEAR COMMENTS, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS OR MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW.
WE CANNOT RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND ITEMS REQUIRING HOUSING ADVISORY.
THESE ITEMS MUST BE BROUGHT BACK ON A SUBSEQUENT AGENDA UNLESS THEY ARE OF A DEMONSTRATED EMERGENCY OR URGENT NATURE.
MADAM SECRETARY, ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA? NOT TONIGHT.
UH, I ALSO WANT TO WELCOME A NEW COMMITTEE MEMBER GOGI TO THE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
IT'S NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE, YOUR FIRST MEETING.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
WE WILL NOW BEGIN CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
[1. Approval of the Agenda for the Meeting on October 20, 2025]
IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, UH, FOR THE REGULAR HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF OCTOBER 20TH, 2025.THAT IS THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING'S MEETING.
UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I APOLOGIZE TO INTERRUPT.
UM, I JUST REMINDED, UH, COMM OR COMMITTEE MEMBER GOGI THAT HER PANEL IS NOT ABLE TO MAKE A MOTION HOWEVER SHE WANTS TO.
SHE JUST NEEDS TO RAISE HER HAND AND LET ME KNOW SO I CAN MAKE THE MOTION ON THE PANEL.
SO JUST REMEMBER HER AS WELL AS, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBER KOKI AS WELL.
UM, SO BACK, UH, TO THE MOTION.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UH, IS IS THE SYSTEM WORKING? YES.
THE ONLY THING, I THINK THOSE TWO NEED TO RAISE THAT HAND CAN, RIGHT? CORRECT.
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BY, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING, COMMITTEE MEMBER VALENZUELA AND A SECOND BY COMMITTEE MEMBER ARMA TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.THE COMMITTEE WILL NOW VOTE BOTH ELECTRONICALLY AND BY HAND.
UH, IS THAT RIGHT? NO, THEY CAN STILL VOTE, UM, FOR THE ACTUAL PORTION.
THEY JUST CAN'T MAKE THE MOTION.
SO IF THEY WANNA MAKE A MOTION, I CAN DO THAT ON MY END.
BUT THEY'RE STILL ABLE TO VOTE ON THEIR PANELS.
OH, THEY'RE ABLE TO VOTE ON THEIR, YES.
MY, SORRY, MY MISUNDERSTANDING.
SO WE WILL VOTE ELECTRONICALLY, UH, ALL OF US ON THIS MOTION TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA SO YOU KNOW TO DO IT.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULT OF THE VOTE MOTION APPEAR UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT.
[2. Approval of Minutes from the Meeting of November 4, 2024 ]
TONIGHT'S AGENDAS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING OF NOVEMBER 4TH, 2024.IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION, IS THERE A MOTION OR IS THERE DISCUSSION? I MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT.
WAS THAT OKAY? AND I NEED A SECOND, THEN SECOND.
WHO MADE THE FIRST MOTION? CO PERKY? YEAH.
YOU CAN STILL MAKE YOUR MOTION RIGHT NOW.
SECOND? YEAH, YOU CAN CLICK ON YOURS.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMITTEE, COMMITTEE MEMBER KOKI AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
WE WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION APPROVED WITH SIX YESES.
[3. Housing Authority Announcements]
ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY ANNOUNCEMENTS.UH, I WILL NOW TURN THAT OVER TO STAFF.
WE HAVE A COMMENT BY COMMISSIONER ARMINTA, ITEM A COMMITTEE.
ARE WE ON ITEM FOUR STILL, OR NO? THIS IS ITEM THREE.
OKAY, SO STAFF, PLEASE PROCEED.
UH, MR. CHAIR, VICE CHAIR COMMITTEE AND, UH, STAFF AND THE PUBLIC.
MARTIN REEDER ASSISTANT, OR EXCUSE ME, ACTING DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I AM SORRY WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE AGENDA FOR THE HOUSING ADVISORY ON OUR ITEM THREE IS JUST ANNOUNCEMENTS.
SO I, YEAH, IT'S JUST MORE OF A PHYSICAL ORAL PRESENTATION.
UH, AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, UH, ANGEL IS ON OUR WAY TO GIVE THOSE ANNOUNCEMENTS.
SO IF WE COULD SKIP TO FOUR AND THEN COME BACK TO THREE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, WE WILL NOW HEAR LIVE FROM ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.
WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT ONE TOO.
[4. Adoption of 2026 Meeting Dates ]
THEN IS THE ADOPTION OF THE 2026 MEETING DATES.UH, COMMISSIONER ARMENT, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER ARMENTA, UH, LOOKING AT THE DATES, UM, APRIL 6TH IS EASTER MONDAY.
SO WE, DO WE STILL HAVE MEETINGS ON RELIGIOUS HOLIDAYS? NO.
WELL, I THINK THE SUNDAY IS SUNDAY IS THE ACTUAL HOLIDAY.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS A, WELL, IT'S NOT A FEDERAL HOLIDAY AT LEAST.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE COMMITTEE DATES THAT WERE WE WILL, UM, DURING WHICH WE WILL MEET IN 2026? OKAY.
UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE ADVISORY HOUSING COMMITTEE? UH, MEETINGS.
WHO WAS FIRST? YOU GUYS HAVE, OKAY, SO VAL, UH, I'M SORRY, CASTLE.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMITTEE MEMBER QUINONES TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
AND SO WE WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
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MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT.
WE WILL NOW, UH, REVISIT ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE ANNOUNCEMENTS, AND I WILL TURN THAT OVER TO STAFF.
I AM THE NATIONAL CITY HOUSING AUTHORITY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
I AM COMING TO YOU THIS EVENING TO JUST LET YOU KNOW A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS.
SO WE HAVE, UH, POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE AND FLYERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UH, SOME RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR OUR RESIDENTS, LANDLORDS, AND BUSINESSES.
UM, SO, UM, ONE THAT YOU MAY SEE IS THAT WE HAVE, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY HOUSING RELATED QUESTIONS OR QUESTIONS IN GENERAL FOR THE CITY.
YOU COULD COME TO OUR OFFICE HOURS, WHICH ARE HELD THE FIRST TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH, AND THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
SO THE FIRST TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH, THEY'RE HELD AT CITY HALL.
UH, SO IT IS FROM FIVE TO SEVEN BOTH DAYS, THE FIRST TUESDAY AND THE THIRD WEDNESDAY.
SO THERE ARE FLYERS, UM, OUT IN THE LOBBY OF CITY HALL, SO JUST OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING, BUT AT OUR CITY FACILITIES.
AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE.
SO YOU COULD FIND THEM AT WWW.NATIONALCITYCA.GOV/RESOURCES.
UM, AND EXCUSE ME, IT'D BE HA DASH RESOURCES.
SO, UH, THESE OFFICE HOURS, PEOPLE CAN ASK, UH, GENERAL HOUSING RELATED QUESTIONS AND, UH, WE WILL BE THERE, UH, TO ANSWER THEM.
SO, MYSELF AND SOME HOUSING, UM, RESOURCE OFFICERS, THE CITY CONTRACTS WITH CSA SAN DIEGO COUNTY, SO LANDLORDS, UM, AND RESIDENTS CAN COME AND ASK QUESTIONS.
SO ANYTHING HOUSING RELATED AND I, SINCE I'M THERE OR ANOTHER, UH, HOUSING AUTHORITY STAFF MEMBER, THEY CAN ASK GENERAL CITY RELATED QUESTIONS AND WE'LL BE THERE TO ANSWER THEM.
SO, UH, ALSO IN OUR WEB, UH, ON OUR WEBSITE UNDER, UH, THE NATIONAL CITY HOUSING AUTHORITY PAGE, WE HAVE, UH, SOME RESOURCES AVAILABLE FOR HOMEOWNERS.
I DON'T HAVE A FLYER WITH ME HERE TODAY, BUT, UH, YOU CAN ACCESS IT AGAIN ON OUR WEBPAGE, UH, UNDER THE NATIONAL CITY HOUSING AUTHORITY.
AND THEN UNDER OUR RESOURCES TAB, IT'S FOR HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THE FLOODS OF 2024.
SO, UH, THERE ARE RESOURCES THROUGH THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, SO THROUGH HCD, UH, SO, UH, THE CALIFORNIA HOUSING, UM, DEVELOPMENT, UH, CD
HAS ANYBODY ELSE HAD A LONG DAY? UM,
SO, UM, LIKE YEAH, GO, GO AHEAD.
UM, SO WE, UM, HAVE SOME RESOURCES THERE.
SO IT WOULD BE, UH, ASSISTANCE AVAILABLE FOR HOMEOWNERS.
SO IT WOULD BE, UM, MORTGAGE ASSISTANCE FOR UP TO THREE MONTHS, UH, THAT YOU COULD GET ASSISTANCE FOR.
IT IS ON A FIRST CO FIRST SERVE BASIS.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, UH, SO YOU WOULD NEED TO SIGN UP FOR THAT.
UH, THE OTHER ASSISTANCE AVAILABLE FOR HOMEOWNERS, UH, WOULD BE, UH, SOME REHAB ASSISTANCE.
UH, SO REHABILITATION ASSISTANCE, THE INFORMATION IS FORTHCOMING, SO YOU WOULD NEED TO SIGN UP TO RECEIVE, UH, INFORMATION THROUGH, UH, THEIR WEBSITE.
SO YOU WOULD, UM, WANNA DO THAT JUST AS SOON AS YOU CAN.
AND SO THAT WAY YOU ARE, UH, FIRST RECEIVE NOTIFICATIONS.
SO IF YOU, UH, WANT, UH, INFORMATION, PLEASE, UH, SIGN UP AND YOU COULD FIND THAT AGAIN ON OUR WEBSITE.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
AND, UH, WE HOPE TO BRING YOU MORE UPDATES IN THE NEW YEAR AND, UM, REALLY ENGAGE OUR HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
I WANT TO ACTUALLY SAY ONE LAST ANNOUNCEMENT.
UH, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT, UH, THE UNION TOWER APARTMENTS, UH, AT, UH, WHAT IS THAT, 23, UH, 23RD AND, UH, D OR F STREET IN
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BETWEEN D AND F.UM, IF IT'S NOT UP ALREADY, YOU'LL SEE BANNERS THAT ARE A AVAIL.
UH, IT WILL SOON BE FOR LEASE.
UH, WE'RE SOON LEASING UP THAT APARTMENT.
WE, UM, AT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY ARE WORKING WITH THE UNION TOWER DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND HEDER THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT TEAM TO BE LEASING UP THOSE UNITS.
SO OUR LOCAL PREFERENCE IS POSTED ON OUR WEBPAGE UNDER THE NATIONAL CITY HOUSING AUTHORITY.
SO YOU COULD READ ALL ABOUT IT, BUT THAT JUST MEANS AT LISA, OUR NATIONAL CITY RE UH, RESIDENTS HAVE FIRST PRIORITY TO THOSE UNITS.
SO IT IS A LOW INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE WILL BE POSTING, THERE IS A PROJECT WEBPAGE, BUT WE'LL BE POSTING ALL OF THE DETAILS ON THAT PROJECT WEBPAGE AND COMING BACK TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WITH MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AS WELL.
OH, IS, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN TAKE THEM.
UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER KY UM, TWO QUESTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE, ARE YOU, DO YOU WORK WITH RED CROSS? UM, AS FAR AS RESOURCES FOR FLOOD VICTIMS? UH, SO, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT WORKING WITH THEM.
BUT AT THE TIME OF THE FLOOD, WE, UH, THE CITY, UH, DOES WORK, UM, AT ARMS DISTANCE WITH THE RED CROSS DURING EMERGENCIES.
UH, SO WE HAVE THAT PARTNERSHIP WITH ALL OF OUR, UM, WITH ALL OF OUR NON LIKE NONPROFITS AND DIFFERENT, UH, PARTNERS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
SO THEY WERE THE FIRST TO OPEN UP LIKE AN EMERGEN WELL, ASIDE FROM US HERE AT THE CITY, THEY OPENED UP AN EMERGENCY SHELTER AT THE RED CROSS.
AND WHAT ABOUT FIRE? DO YOU ALSO FIRE HELP WITH FIRES? NOT JUST FLOODS, RIGHT? OH, YES.
SO, UM,
UM, WE WOULD JUST KIND OF, I WOULD NEED TO KNOW MORE INFORMATION, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD TALK ABOUT OFFLINE IF YOU WANTED TO, UM, TALK ABOUT THAT MORE.
YEAH, WE ALSO, WE DO HAVE AN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER HERE AT THE CITY THAT OVER AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT IS STAFFED BY, UH, MEMBERS OF EACH DEPARTMENT WITH THE STAFF.
SO IN THE EVENT OF A, A MAJOR ISSUE OR EMERGENCY, WE WILL GET TOGETHER AND, AND WORK WITH CITY RESOURCES TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OF STAFF? YES.
I JUST WANNA SAY IT'S BEEN A, A LONG DAY FOR ME TOO, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR, UM, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UH, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, ANGELITA HAS BEEN INTEGRAL, AN INTEGRAL PART OF, OF, UH, OUR DEPARTMENT AND THE TRANSITION BETWEEN, UH, CARLOS LEAVING AND, AND ME TECHNICALLY TAKING OVER, BUT SHE'S DOING ALL THE WORK IN HOUSING AND SHE'S DOING A FABULOUS JOB.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT SHE'S ABLE TO GET TOGETHER AND TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO YOU AT SHORT NOTICE.
AND, UH, SHE'S, SHE'S MY NEW RIGHT HAND PERSON.
IT'S NICE TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD.
UH, ARE THERE, UM, ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS THAT, UH, WERE BROUGHT UP? OKAY.
[STAFF REPORTS]
STAFF REPORTS.DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE, UH, HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE? UH, NOTHING AT THIS TIME.
ACTING DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER VALENZUELA.
I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I DO, UM, APPRECIATE ANGELITA, UH, HAVING THOSE EXTENDED, UH, OFFICE HOURS BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, MY OWN EYES, UH, DURING THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
YOU'RE OUT THERE WORKING THE, THE CROWD IN THE, IN THE LOBBY.
SO I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DO APPRECIATE HAVING THAT EXTRA INFORMATION, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.
COMMITTEE MEMBER QUINONES, NOTHING AT THIS TIME.
COMMITTEE MEMBER KOKI, NOTHING AT THIS TIME.
COMMITTEE MEMBER VAL UH, VALDEZ IS ABSENT.
UH, I WANT TO THANK, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER KOSKY FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICES TO THE RESIDENTS OF CHULA VISTA.
UH, I'LL BE BRINGING THE MEETING TO AN END HERE IN A MOMENT.
SO I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THAT NATIONAL STUDY.
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UH, SPEAKING OF LONG DAYS, THANK YOU.
UM, THE SPECIAL HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS HEREBY ADJOURNED UNTIL THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF FEBRUARY 2ND, 2026 AT 6:00 PM THE TIME IS 6:20 PM NEED TO STAND BY.
SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PROCEED.
I HERE PROBABLY CALL THE REGULAR, UH, MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY OF OCTOBER 20TH, 2025 AT 6:21 PM UH, TO ORDER.
WE WILL NOW HEAR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS AND MATTERS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW.
WE CANNOT RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND ITEMS REQUIRING PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION.
THESE ITEMS MUST BE BROUGHT BACK ON A SUBSEQUENT AGENDA UNLESS THEY ARE OF A DEMONSTRATED EMERGENCY OR URGENT NATURE.
MADAM SECRETARY, ARE THERE ANY, UH, SPEAKER SLIPS OR NO CHAIR? THANK YOU.
[1. Approval of the Agenda for the Meeting on October 20, 2025]
ONE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA FOR THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF OCTOBER 20TH, 2025.THAT IS FOR THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW.
UH, IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION, DO I HAVE A MOTION? UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MY OUT, BUT I HEAR IT THAT WAY,
ADD, ARE YOU OKAY? IS HOWARD SECOND? IS COMMISSIONER, UM, GOGI ABLE TO VOTE NOW ON HER? SHE CAN VOTE.
IT'S ON THE YEAH, SHE, SHE'S A MEMBER OF, YEAH, IT'S ON APPROVAL OF AGENDA.
YEAH, SHE JUST CAN DO THE MOTION.
SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE, WE CAN REDO THE MOTION.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE YOUR HAND.
DID YOU HAVE IT UP FIRST? YEAH.
CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE IT'S YOUR CALL.
UH, COMMISSIONER QUINONE, DO YOU MIND SENDING YOUR SECOND? NO, THAT'S FINE.
AND WE WILL GO WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, GOGI.
SO WE HAVE CASTLE GOING FIRST AND THEN CORRECT GOGI.
TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING'S MEETING.
SO NOW THE COMMISSIONER WILL VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
[2. Approval of Minutes from the Meeting of September 15, 2025]
ITEM TWO IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2025.IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? THAT WAS OUR BIG MEETING LAST TIME THAT WENT TILL 2:00 AM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ARMA AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER QUINONE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY, PLEASE.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION APPROVED WITH FOUR YESES, TWO ABSTAINS, AND ONE ABSENT.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
[3. Determination that the Project is Categorically Exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) Under Class 1 of the CEQA Guidelines Section 15301 (Existing Facilities) and Conditional Use Permit for a Mobile Recycling Facility to be located at 1240 E Plaza Boulevard Case File No.: 2025-19 CUP APN: 557-322-10-00.]
ITEM THREE, DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.CQA UNDER CLASS ONE, THE CQA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 1.
EXISTING FACILITIES AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A MOBILE RECYCLING
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FACILITY TO BE LOCATED AT 1240 EAST PLAZA BOULEVARD.I HEREBY CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ORDER.
BEFORE WE BEGIN, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES RELATING TO THIS HEARING? THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO, UH, DISCLOSE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, PROPERTY INSPECTIONS, EX PARTE CONTACTS OR COMMUNICATIONS, ET CETERA.
UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE, I, UM, SHOP AT THAT SHOPPING CENTER LIKE PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR TIMES A WEEK.
AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE, THE PEOPLE THAT GO THERE AND, UM, ALL OF THE STOREFRONTS THAT ARE IN THERE.
I ALSO SHOP AT THAT PLACE EVERY DAY, PROBABLY, BUT I ALSO DRIVE DROVE BY THIS WEEK AND JUST CHECKED THE AREA OUT BY MYSELF.
COMMISSIONER ES I ALSO DO A LOT OF SHOPPING THERE AND MY BANK IS RIGHT THERE, MISSION FEDERAL AND I, BUT I ALSO WENT BACK AND I DROVE BY AND LOOKED AT THE PLACE.
I ALSO, UH, GO SHOP IN AT SHOPPING CENTER AND I I DID SPEAK TO, UH, ANTHONY AND ANTHONY JUNIOR BEFORE THE MEETING.
I TOO, UH, HAVE FREQUENTED THAT SHOPPING CENTER AND ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, WE ALSO BANK AT MISSION FED, SO, UM, I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT.
MADAM SECRETARY OF ANY NOTICES AS REQUIRED BY LAW BEEN GIVEN.
AND DO WE HAVE A COMPLETE FILE OF EXHIBITS, CORRESPONDENCE AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YES, CHAIR.
WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM FOR US.
GOOD EVENING CHAIR COMMISSIONERS, THE PUBLIC.
TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING ITEM THREE, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A RECYCLING CENTER TO BE LOCATED AT 1240 EAST PLAZA BOULEVARD.
HERE IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE SITE.
SO LOCATED NORTH IS EAST PLAZA, AND THEN LOCATED TO THE RIGHT IS AN AVENUE.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED LOCATION IN RED.
SO THE PROPOSED RECYCLING CENTER IS GONNA BE LOCATED AT 1240 EAST PLAZA BOULEVARD, WHICH IS IN OUR MAJOR MIXED USE DISTRICT ZONE.
IT'S PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED BEHIND THE SMART AND FINAL GROCERY STORE, WHICH IS IN WITHIN THE LARGER SHOPPING CENTER.
AND IT'LL BE PRIMARILY ACCESSED OFF OF N AVENUE.
THE AREA IS A MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES.
THE SMART AND FINAL IS LOCATED TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST OF THE PROPOSED LOCATION.
BAY PLAZA IS LOCATED TO THE EAST AND THEN THERE ARE SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES LOCATED TO THE SOUTH.
HOWEVER, THEY ARE SEPARATED BY A GRADE CHANGE.
THIS IS FROM AN AVENUE WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE PROPOSED LOCATION FOR THE RECYCLING CENTER AND THEN THE HOMES UP ON THE HILL.
AND THEN HERE'S ANOTHER VIEW OF THE PROPOSED SITE.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A MOBILE RECYCLING CENTER, WHICH WILL ACCEPT ALUMINUM CANS, GLASS AND PLASTIC BOTTLES.
THE RECYCLING CENTER WILL CONSIST OF TWO 18 BY EIGHT FOOT AND ONE EIGHT BY FIVE FOOT PREFABRICATED STEEL CONTAINERS.
THEIR PROPOSED OPERATING HOURS ARE FROM 9:00 AM TO 5:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
THERE WILL BE AN OPERATOR ON SITE AT ALL TIMES, AND CRV PAYMENTS WILL BE PROVIDED IN CASH BY THE OPERATORS OF THE FACILITY.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S N AVENUE, THE CONTAINERS, AND THEN THE PROPOSED, UH, TRUCK PICKUP ROUTE.
AND THEN HERE IS AN UP CLOSE OF THAT SITE PLAN.
SO THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IS THE PROPOSED LOCATION FOR THE CONTAINERS.
SO THERE'LL BE THE THREE CONTAINERS, THE TWO LARGER ONES, AND THE ONE SMALLER ONE.
UM, AND THEN, AND THERE'S SOME PARKING SPACES AND THEY HAVE A PROPOSED WAITING AREA FOR THE CUSTOMERS AT THE RECYCLING CENTER.
SO MOVING ON TO STAFF'S ANALYSIS, THE PROPOSED RECYCLING CENTER IS LOCATED WITH AN UNSERVED CONVENIENCE ZONE.
THE STATE REQUIRES THAT CONVENIENCE ZONES HAVE ACCESS TO A RECYCLING FACILITY.
A CONVENIENCE ZONE IS DEFINED AS AN AREA WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS OF A SUPERMARKET WITH MORE THAN 2 MILLION IN ANNUAL SALES.
NATIONAL CITY HAS 10 CONVENIENCE ZONES
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AS IDENTIFIED BY THE STATE.SMART AND FINAL IS CONSIDERED AN UNSERVED CONVENIENCE ZONE.
THE OTHER RECYCLING CENTER THAT'S CURRENTLY SERVING NATIONAL CITY IS THE FOOD FOR LESS.
HOWEVER, THAT PROPERTY IS TECHNICALLY IN CHULA VISTA.
THE RECYCLING CENTER IS ALSO REQUIRED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR LAND USE CODE.
SO IT HAS TO BE LESS THAN 350 SQUARE FEET.
IT HAS TO BE MORE THAN 50 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
IT CANNOT OBSTRUCT ANY PEDESTRIAN OR VEHICLE CIRCULATION.
AND THEY CAN ONLY ACCEPT GLASS ALUMINUM, NON ALUMINUM AND PLASTIC CONTAINERS.
WE RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAD CONCERNS OVER INCREASED TRAFFIC, INCREASED CRIME, AND THE PROPENSITY FOR TRASH ACCUMULATION.
WE HAVE INCLUDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WHICH ARE INTENDED TO ALLEVIATE THESE CONCERNS, SUCH AS THE BUSINESS IS OPERATING DURING DAYTIME HOURS.
THE SITE SHALL BE SWEPT AND CLEARED OF LITTER AT THE END OF EACH DAY.
CONTAINERS SHALL BE LOCKED WHEN NOT IN USE, AND EMPTIED ON A REGULAR BASIS ABOUT ONCE OR TWICE PER WEEK.
NO RECYCLABLE MATERIAL WILL BE ACCEPTED FROM PERSONS TRANSPORTING THE MATERIAL IN AN UNCONVENTIONAL FAT FASHION SUCH AS SHOPPING CARTS AND SIMILAR NON-MOTORIZED CARRYING DEVICES.
SINCE THESE ARE OFTEN DISCARDED AFTERWARDS, WE LOOKED AT TRAFFIC.
UH, TRAFFIC IS NOT EXPECTED TO INCREASE BECAUSE CUSTOMERS WHO VISIT THE RECYCLING CENTER WILL BE VISITING THE SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, ADDITIONALLY THE APPLICANT IS GONNA USE TEMPORARY TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES FOR CIRCULATION.
SO SOMETIMES YOU SEE THEM IN DRIVE-THROUGHS, LITTLE CONES WITH CHAINS IN BETWEEN TO KIND OF DIRECT PEOPLE.
UM, NO PARKING SPACES ARE GONNA BE REMOVED, SO THERE'S GONNA BE NO DECREASE TO AVAILABLE PARKING.
AND THERE WILL BE AN EMPLOYEE ON SITE TO ENSURE CUSTOMERS DO NOT BLOCK ANY REQUIRED ACCESS TO THE SHOPPING CENTER OR THE ABUTTING RIGHT OF WAY ON N AVENUE.
NOISE ISSUES RELATED TO RECYCLING CENTERS ARE REGULATED BY THE LAND USE CODE.
NOY SHALL NOT EXCEED 60 DECIBELS AS MEASURED AT THE PROPERTY LINE OF A RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTY.
THE CLOSEST RESIDENTS ARE OVER 50 FEET AWAY AND THEY ARE SEPARATED BY A SUBSTANTIAL GRADE CHANGE.
SO THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO MEET THIS NOISE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND NOISE SHALL NOT EXCEED 65 DECIBELS IN ANY INSTANCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ONLY GONNA OPERATE FROM 9:00 AM TO 5:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
AND NO POWER DRIVEN EQUIPMENT IS PERMITTED TO BE USED, WHICH WILL HELP REDUCE NOISE.
THE PROJECT WAS REVIEWED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
IT WAS DETERMINED TO BE CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT UNDER CLASS ONE EXISTING FACILITIES.
MOVING ON TO THE CONDITIONS, WE INCLUDED ALL OF BUILDING ENGINEERING AND FIRE COMMENTS INTO OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, AS WELL AS ADDRESS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COMMENTS AND REQUIRED COMPLIANCE WITH OUR LAND USE CODE.
IN SUMMARY, THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE CODE.
IT'S LOCATED IN AN UNSERVED CONVENIENCE ZONE AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH ALL APPLICABLE LAND USE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR RECYCLING FACILITIES.
THE OPTIONS TONIGHT ARE FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FOR CQA AND APPROVE 2025 DASH 19 CUP BASED ON THE FINDINGS IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS OR FINDINGS DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, OR FIND THE PROJECT NOT EXEMPT FROM CEQA AND OR DENY THE CEP BASED ON THE FINDINGS LIFTED, LISTED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION OR DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL IF APPROVED, IT WILL GO AS A NO SO DECISION TO CITY COUNCIL.
THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
LEMME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ASSISTANT PLANNER DEPU, UH, I INVITE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME TO GIVE YOUR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION.
HI, I'M ANTHONY AND MY SON ANTHONY JR.
HE'LL BE OPERATING THE RECYCLING CENTERS.
MAY YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC JUST FOR THE RECORD.
DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR THE COMMISSION? NO, I'M HERE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS WE HAVE.
UM, SO ARE THERE, THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY THE NEXT THING HERE.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION, I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ANYBODY HERE FROM THE PUBLIC.
UH, BUT I HAVE TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD CHAIR.
MILLER? YES, WE DO HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT.
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OH, OKAY.OKAY, THEN WE WILL NOW HEAR, UH, FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.
ANTHONY, YOU GUYS CAN TAKE A SEAT FOR NOW.
WOULD AMANDA ROJAS PLEASE COME FORWARD TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES PLEASE.
MY NAME IS AMADA ROJAS, I'M SORRY, AMADA.
AND, UM, MY HUSBAND RICK, UH, ROJAS IS NOT HERE, BUT WE LIVE AT 1221 K AVENUE NATIONAL CITY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN BRING UP THAT, UH, SLIDE THAT HAD THE ACTUAL PROPOSED SITE WITH THE HOUSES BE BEHIND IT, BUT, UM, I'M REPRESENTED ALSO, UH, FOUR OF THE RESIDENCES THAT COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT.
AND I HAVE THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES IF YOU'D LIKE.
BUT THIS IS TO, UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY GOOD EVENING, THE CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
AND, UM, I'M OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED MOBILE RECYCLING CENTER BEHIND SMART AND FINAL.
UM, I'M WRITING TO FORMALLY OPPOSE THE PROPOSAL BY ANTHONY ST.
JOHN TO ESTABLISH A MOBILE RECYCLING CENTER BEHIND SMART AND FINAL STORE DIRECTLY BEHIND MY PROPERTY AT 1221 K AVENUE NATIONAL CITY.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE, UM, HIGHLIGHTED RED AREA, AND THEN THERE'S TREES AND HOMES RIGHT ABOVE THERE.
THAT'S WHERE AREA WHERE WE LIVE.
AND, UM, MY HUSBAND RICK AND I HAVE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 1974.
AND I GREW UP IN, UH, THE HOUSE WHERE WE LIVE, UH, SINCE 1965 WHEN OUR PARENTS BOUGHT IT, WHERE WE RAISED OUR CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN, AND GREAT GRANDCHILDREN.
MY MOTHER PURCHASED HER HOME BEHIND SMART AND FINAL EVEN BEFORE THE, UM, IN 1965 BEFORE THE SHOPPING CENTER WAS BUILT.
AND WE HAVE DEEP ROOTS IN THIS COMMUNITY AND WE CARE GREATLY ABOUT PRESERVING ITS SAFETY AND LIVABILITY.
UM, AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD THEIR CONCERNS.
WHILE WE SUPPORT RECYCLING AND ENVIRONMENTAL EFFORTS, THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION WE FEEL IS NOT SUITABLE FOR A MOBILE RECYCLING FACILITY.
WE ALREADY EXPERIENCE THE ONGOING PROBLEMS IN THIS AREA, INCLUDING CONSTANT IDLING OF DELIVERY TRUCKS AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT BEHIND SMART AND FINAL FREQUENT POLICE ACTIVITY.
I WISH IT WAS ALWAYS LIKE THAT FROM THE PICTURES AND SLIDES THAT WERE NO CARS AND, UH, PRETTY CLEAN AND ALL THAT, WHICH IT ISN'T.
FREQUENT POLICE ACTIVITY WITH SIRENS, LIGHTS, AND LOUDSPEAKERS TO ADDRESS TRANSIENT AND NUISANCE ISSUES AFTER HOURS, 30 SECONDS NOISE, 30 DISTURBANCES FROM CARS DOING BURNOUTS AND RACING AT NIGHT.
PEOPLE RUMMAGING THROUGH TRASH BINS AND LEAVING LITTER AND DEBRIS OUTSIDE THE GATED AREA.
CONTINUOUS PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICLE TRAFFIC THROUGH THE ALLEY BEHIND OUR HOMES BEING USED AS A SHORTCUT TO THE SHOPPING CENTER.
INTRODUCING A MOBILE RECYCLING OPERATION WOULD WORSEN THESE PROBLEMS. INCREASING NOISE, TRAFFIC, LITTER, AND POTENTIAL SAFETY CONCERNS FOR FAMILIES WHO LIVE IMMEDIATELY NT TO THE AREA.
WE WOULD ALSO, IT WOULD ALSO FURTHER DIMINISH THE RESIDENTIAL QUALITY OF LIFE AND COULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT OUR PROPERTY VALUES.
SO FOR THESE RE WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THE APPLICATION.
AND APOLOGIES FOR MISPRONOUNCING YOUR NAME.
UH, IS THAT EVERYBODY INCLUDING ON ZOOM? YES, CHAIR.
UH, I REQUEST THE SECRETARY PROCEED WITH DISCLOSING IN FINNEY PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED IN WRITING.
UH, WOULD STAFF LIKE TO MAKE FURTHER COMMENT? NO COMMENTS.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
I MEAN, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE RIGHT NOW? I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING A LOT THAT WE COULD DO, BUT WHAT WE DO IS DISCOURAGE LIKE SHOPPING CARTS AND PEOPLE HANGING OUT IN THE PARKING LOT.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BRING MORE BUSINESS TO THAT, TO THAT AREA WHERE WE COULD DISCOURAGE MORE.
I MEAN, THERE'S RECYCLING CENTERS THAT OPERATE IN FRONT OF HOUSES, UH, NEXT TO APARTMENTS.
AND I MEAN, WE DO, WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
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THE, WITH THE LOCATIONS THAT WE OPERATE NOW, WE OPERATE THREE OTHER LOCATIONS.ONE OF 'EM IS AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE, SO I WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT.
BUT THE OTHER TWO ARE NEXT TO APARTMENTS.
ONE'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UH, FROM HOUSES AND APARTMENTS.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAYBE AROUND 50 FEET AWAY FROM THEM.
AND WE DON'T HAVE NO NOISE COMPLAINTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
CAN I ASK SOMETHING? UM, RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, THERE MAY BE PROBLEMS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S AN EMPTY PARKING LOT.
BUT FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN ALSO FROM WHERE WE ARE NOW IN SOUTH SAN DIEGO, THEY USED TO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH, UH, DUMPING IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS.
AND ONCE WE PUT OUR CONTAINERS THERE WITH CAMERAS, IT COMPLETELY WENT AWAY.
THERE WILL BE SECURITY CAMERAS.
YEAH, THERE'S SECURITY CAMERAS ALL OVER THE, UH, CONTAINERS.
SO IT HAS A PRESENCE TO THE BACK, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF IT JUST BEING AN EMPTY PARKING LOT, THERE'S ANOTHER BUSINESS IN THE, IN THE AREA AND WE MAINTAIN OUR CONTAINERS PAINTED FREE OF GRAFFITI OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S GONNA, OKAY.
GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
DO ANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS IF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA, UM, MR. PUKE, UH, IS THE CONVENIENCE ZONE, MUNICIPAL CODE OR STATE LAW? STATE LAW.
AND YOU SAID WE HAVE TECHNICALLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY NATIONAL CITY.
THE ONE THAT FOOD FOR LESS IS REALLY IN THE CITY OF NA.
THE FOOD FOR LESS IS LOCATED IN CHULA VISTA, BUT IT DOES SERVE A PORTION OF NATIONAL CITY.
UM, AND THEN I BELIEVE THE TABLE ALSO SAYS THAT GROCERY OUTLET HAS A SERVED RECYCLING CENTER, WHICH MEANS THERE'S ONE OPERATING THERE AS WELL.
THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER THOUGH.
SO THAT ONE TECHNICALLY WOULD SERVE MORE CHULA VISTA THAN NATIONAL CITY? YEAH, IT'S A ONE MILE.
I KNOW IT'S BUFFER AROUND THE STORE.
SO THE ONE AT, UH, FOOD FOR LESS IS TECHNICALLY IN CHULA VISTA, BUT IT SERVES MORE NATIONAL CITY AND THEN THAT'S JUST TOTALLY WEIRD.
SO, SO GROCERY OUTLETS WITH WITHIN HALF A MILE OF, OF THE, UH, FOOD FOR LESS.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT ONE IS CONSIDERED TO BE SERVED.
SO THERE ARE THREE IN THE CITY THAT ARE SERVED THAT BEING EL SUPER, WHICH IS ALSO IN THAT SAME AREA, THAT'S HIGHLAND AND, AND SWEETWATER HIGHLAND AND 30TH.
UH, SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE ONE RECYCLING FACILITY IN THE CITY NOW.
WE USED TO HAVE THREE AT ONE POINT AND FOR MANY YEARS WE WEREN'T GETTING ANY APPLICATIONS BECAUSE EVERY CONVENIENCE ZONE WAS ALREADY SERVED.
DOES THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DISTINGUISH, LIKE IN THIS CASE THE ONE AT FOOD FOR LESS? TECHNICALLY IT SERVES MUCH MORE NATIONAL CITY THAN SHULA VISTA.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN, SO THE, THE STATE JUST LOOKS AT THE AREA AROUND CORRECT.
I, I KNOW YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE OTHER FACILITIES IN, I BELIEVE SOUTHEAST SAN DIEGO IS WHAT YOU HAD SAID.
UM, HOW DO THOSE FACILITIES RUN? AND UM, HOW MANY, UH, COMPLAINTS OR UM, POLICE REPORTS HAVE BEEN REPORTED ON ANY OF THOSE? PLEASE, PLEASE DO.
UM, THE ONE IN FOUR AUTO AVENUE, UM, IT'S ONLY LESS THAN A YEAR OLD AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS.
JUST, BUT IT'S LESS THAN A YEAR THAT, THAT LOCATION IS LESS THAN YEAR.
IS THERE ANOTHER ONE THAT YOU HAVE? AND SO THERE IS, AND WE'VE HAVE, I MEAN ON YELP, WE, I WAS ASKED EARLIER FROM VIVIANA, UM, OR MENT THAT, UH, ABOUT THE YELP AND, AND REVIEWS AND WE HAVE LIKE 4.3 STARS FOR RECYCLING CENTERS.
IS THAT THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU HAVE IS ON CORONADO? NO, I THINK THERE'S ONE, THERE'S ONE ON, UM, 32ND STREET AND 94 FREEWAY RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
AND HOW MANY, UM, POLICE REPORTS OR, OR FROM US THAT YOU HAVE THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE RECYCLING BUSINESSES? WE DON'T HAVE ANY.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THAT, IN THAT, FOR THAT VICINITY? NO.
AND HOW LONG HAS THAT ONE BEEN OPERATIONAL? THAT ONE'S BEEN OPERATING SINCE 2011.
COMMISSIONER ARMINTA, UH, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
AGAIN, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS.
SO WOULD THOSE SECURITY CAMERAS INCLUDE LIGHTS AND AN ALARM SYSTEM OR, YEAH, IT WOULD'VE AN ALARM SYSTEM.
WE DO HAVE AN ALARM SYSTEM AT OTHER LOCATIONS TOO.
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HOW OFTEN WOULD THE CONTAINERS BE EMPTIED? 'CAUSE IT JUST SAYS, UH, REGULAR, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY IT WOULD BE ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK.WE'RE THINKING NOT RIGHT AWAY.
WE MAYBE TAKE A COUPLE OF WEEKS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FIRST YEAR OR SO, BUT EVENTUALLY WE'RE TRYING TO GET 'EM TO EMPTY ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK.
AND UH, AND THE PICTURE WITH THE CONTAINERS ON THERE, I SAW THE TWO CONTAINERS.
SO IS THERE LIKE A SEPARATE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS OR JUST CITY, UH, FOR STAFF.
UM, IS THERE A, A SEPARATE AREA FOR THE TRASH? I'M ASSUMING LIKE THE BIG DUMPSTER OR THERE'S DUMPSTERS CURRENTLY RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, WHERE WOULD YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR OWN OR USE THE SMART AND FINAL ONE? NO, WE WOULD BE USING THE ONES THAT ARE RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONT.
THOSE RIGHT THERE THAT ARE PART OF THE SMART AND FINAL.
SO THEN YOU ARE, UM, JUST LOOKING AT THAT, THE CONTAINERS WOULD GO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARKING, THOSE THREE PARKING SPACES? UM, ALONG THE WALL.
ALONG THE WALL, UH, THERE COULD BE SET, THERE'S A, THEY'RE OFFSET FROM THE WALL.
I BELIEVE IT'S 10 FEET OR SO, EIGHT OR 10 FEET.
NOW IS THAT GONNA BE GATED AROUND THOSE CONTAINERS? NO, IT WOULDN'T BE GATED.
SO PEOPLE CAN JUST WALK AROUND THERE AT NIGHT? THEY CAN, YES.
UM, BUT THERE WOULD BE SURVEYED, YOU KNOW, SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS OPERATING.
AND HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WOULD YOU HAVE DURING THE DAY? UM, TO START ONE.
THAT'S ALL THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY.
BUT EVENTUALLY MAYBE TWO AND A THIRD TO RELIEVE THE OTHER, ONE OF THE OTHER THE TWO.
WILL YOU ATTEMPT TO HIRE NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS? WE WOULD, WE WOULD EVENTUALLY, BUT LIKE I SAID BEFORE, EARLIER THAT UM, WE NEED A TRAINED PERSON THERE.
SO AT FIRST IT WOULDN'T BE SOMEBODY FROM NATIONAL CITY, BUT WE EVENTUALLY WE'LL HIRE FROM THE COMMUNITY.
AND I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, IF WE GO TO THE PICTURE THAT SHOWS THE ROAD AND AVENUE, UH, I KNOW I DRIVE BY THERE A LOT AND THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND IT TAKES ME A BIT TO TURN LEFT OR TO TURN RIGHT.
WILL THERE BE SOME KIND OF STOP SIGN OR SOMETHING THERE TO KIND OF SLOW TRAFFIC A LITTLE BIT AND LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY CAN TURN? OR IS THAT JUST GONNA BE A SUDDEN, OH, I'M GONNA TURN HERE AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF, SEEMS DANGEROUS TO ME.
UH, AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
A FACILITY LIKE THIS ISN'T GONNA GENERATE A WHOLE LOT IN THE WAY OF TRAFFIC.
SO WE WOULDN'T BE DOING ANY TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO THIS ONE.
UH, I KNOW THE INTERSECTION WELL AND, UH, I AGREE THAT IT CAN GET VERY BUSY AT PEAK TIMES, BUT HOPEFULLY THAT, BECAUSE THIS ONE IS FURTHER, UH, NORTH I GUESS, IS THAT SOUTH SOUTH? YEAH, UPHILL.
IT'S BEHIND THE CENTER THAT, THAT WOULDN'T HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF CONGESTION AS, AS THE, THE FIRST INTERSECTION THERE.
I HAVE USED THAT BACK SECTION TO TRY TO GET AWAY FROM THE TRAFFIC, BUT I KNOW IF WE, THIS IS GONNA BE OUR FIRST RECYCLING CENTER IN NATIONAL CITY, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE EXCITED AND BE LIKE, OH, LET ME BRING ALL MY RECYCLING AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY ELSE MIGHT DO THAT.
SO WILL THERE BE ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC ANALYSIS OR IS JUST A DEAD DEAL DONE DEAL? NO SIGN AT ALL? I MEAN, THIS IS, BECAUSE IT'S A MOBILE FACILITY, IT'S ALMOST TEMPORARY IN NATURE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE DATA FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY 'CAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, VERY MINIMAL.
ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING INTO THE CENTER ALREADY.
THE LIKELIHOOD WOULD BE THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE COMING TO THE AREA WOULD ALREADY BE GOING TO THE MALL ANYWAY.
UH, BUT AGAIN, A TRAFFIC STUDY, A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS IS NOT EVEN REQUIRED UNLESS YOU'RE LOOKING AT OVER A THOUSAND TRIPS A DAY, WHICH THIS WOULDN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO.
AND FOR THE APPLICANT, SINCE HE MENTIONED THAT, HOW MUCH, HOW'S THE TRAFFIC IN THEIR OTHER LOCATIONS? DO YOU, IS IT PRETTY BUSY? UM, NO.
SO THE ONE IN, UH, SOUTH SOUTH, UH, SAN DIEGO AND CORNELL AVENUE, IT'S NOT TOO BUSY.
WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE JANUARY MM-HMM
AND IT'S ABOUT 20 TO ON A BUSY DAY RIGHT NOW.
WE GET LIKE 40 CUSTOMERS, WHICH ISN'T A WHOLE LOT COMPARED TO LIKE THE, UH, THE ONE IN INDUSTRIAL AREA WHERE THEY GET LIKE, PROBABLY A COUPLE HUNDRED, I WOULD SAY COUPLE HUNDRED A DAY COMPARED.
IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA STILL YOU WOULD, YOU GET PEOPLE THAT GO IN THERE AND PARK AND UNLOAD EVERYTHING.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING TOO IS SOME OF THE, UM, LIKE THE INDUSTRIAL ONES A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE ROOM WHERE THEY'RE SORTING.
THIS LOCATION WOULD BE, UM, EVERY, THE CUSTOMERS WOULD BE TOLD YOU HAVE TO BRING YOUR STUFF SORTED.
SO IT'S, IT MAKES IT FOR A QUICK, QUICKER PROCESS.
SO MY CONCERN IS THAT WHEN YOU GUYS DO GET BUSY UP, I BELIEVE THERE'S ONLY THREE PARKING SPOTS.
SO SUPPOSE I GO THERE OR ANYBODY AND THEY PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF N STREET, THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO RUN ACROSS.
AND THEN THERE'S WHERE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, SOME CAR, THE CARS COME SPEEDING DOWN
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AND DON'T STOP.UH, SO THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME ALSO.
UM, UH, UH, STAFF MENTIONED THAT IT'S KIND OF LIKE A TEMPORARY THING BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE ON TRAILERS OR SOMETHING.
UH, SO IS THERE, UH, DO YOU HAVE A LONG-TERM LEASE OR IS THIS A SHORT TERM LEASE FOR THAT AREA? UM, I BELIEVE WHAT HOW LONG? UH, IT'S A FIVE YEAR LEASE.
AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE TEMPORARY CONTAINERS IF THAT'S A CORRECT ONE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE LIKE MOUNTED TO THE FLOOR OR ANYTHING OR ANCHORED TO THE FLOOR? YEAH, IT'LL BE JUST ROLL OFF BINS OR A TRUCK PICKS UP.
IT'S ABLE TO PICK 'EM UP AND DROP OFF, EMPTY 'EM AND DROP IT OFF.
UH, COMMISSIONER ES UH, I'M ONLY FAMILIAR WITH THE RECYCLING CENTER AND FOOD FOR LESS.
SO YOU SAID YOU WERE ONLY GONNA HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE.
SO HOW IS IT GONNA WORK? YOU'RE GOING TO, 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY HAVE THOSE BIG BINS WHERE YOU PUT YOUR, YOUR RECYCLING IN.
SO IF YOU ONLY HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE, SO HOW IS IT GONNA WORK OR COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO START? WE'LL JUST HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE.
SO DO WE THE THE PE THE WE ARE GONNA GO AND PUT 'EM IN THE BIN AND AND CARRY THE VENTS AND THEN DUMP IT IN THE BIG BINS? OR HOW DOES IT WORK? NO, THE EMPLOYEE WILL DO THAT.
THERE'LL BE ENOUGH LIKE TO START OFF, TO START OFF IT, IT, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING A LOT OF VOLUME.
SO THERE'LL BE ENOUGH TO SET ASIDE THE BINS TO SET ASIDE FULL UNTIL THERE'S, HE GETS A BREAK TO GO.
YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I'VE NOTICED WHEN I'VE GONE TO THE ONE, THE FOOD FOR LESS, IT'S REALLY SMELLY SMELL IS REALLY BAD.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS CAN DO TO THAT? WE ARE, WE ARE GONNA BE WASHING WITH POWER WASHING REGULARLY, AS IN AS NEEDED.
IF IT GETS BUSIER THEN WE'LL, WE WILL CLEAN MORE OFTEN.
I DON'T KNOW THE OPERATOR IN UM, UH, FOOD FOR THAT'S ONE.
I MEAN THEY HAVE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LOCATIONS IN CALIFORNIA, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, HOW OFTEN THEY WASH, BUT WE'RE GONNA KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON IT.
SAY MO WHY IS IT CALLED A MOBILE RECYCLING? ARE THEY GONNA BE MOVING AROUND OR WHAT? IT'S BECAUSE IT'S MOBILE.
THE TRUCK PICKS UP, PICKS UP THE CONTAINERS AND MOVES AND IT'S JUST CONTAINERS.
IT'S A, IT'S A ROLL ON, ROLL OFF CONTAINER.
SO THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED TEMPORARY.
IT'S NOT, DOESN'T REQUIRE BUILDING PERMITS.
THAT'S WHY WE GENERALLY, WHY WE CALL IT THAT.
I ALSO SHARE, UM, COMMISSIONERS MEANT THAT EZ TURN ON THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE WHEN I GO THERE, IT IS SO HARD JUST TO GET OUT OF THAT INTERSECTION TO GO TO YOUR RIGHT OR GO TO MY LEFT.
'CAUSE ME USUALLY GOING LEFT AND IT'S SO HARD.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT DONE ABOUT IT BECAUSE TRAFFIC IS REALLY, REALLY BAD.
'CAUSE YOU, IT'S GOT LIKE A BLIND SPOT COMING IN FROM THE LEFT SIDE WHEN MM-HMM
LIKE IT'S, IT'S A BLIND SPOT COMING IN FROM THE RIGHT YOU CAN SEE.
BUT COMING IN FROM THE LEFT, IT'S A BLIND SPOT.
SO IT'S REALLY HARD AND THERE'S A LOT, A LOT OF TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE.
THAT, THAT'S DEFINITELY AN ONGOING ISSUE RELATED TO THE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS OF COURSE VERY BUSY, ESPECIALLY AT PEAK TIMES.
WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, REFER THAT TO THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO SEE IF THEY'RE AWARE.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT N AVENUE FREQUENTLY, UH, AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, IS IT PRIVATE, IS IT PUBLIC? WHO'S IN CHARGE, WHAT'S THE TRAFFIC DOING, ET CETERA.
SO WE CAN DEFINITELY REFER THAT TO THEM.
BUT WE DO KEEP, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ACCIDENT DATA.
IT IS A BIT OF A COMPLICATED AREA BECAUSE FOR PART OF IT, IT'S PRIVATE.
IT'S THE PARKING LOT FOR THE SOUTH BAY PLAZA AND, AND BAY PLAZA NEXT DOOR.
AND THEN ONCE YOU GET TO A CERTAIN POINT, IT'S A PRIVATE, IT'S A, EXCUSE ME, PUBLIC STREET GOING UP TO JOIN UP WITH LI THINK.
BUT ANYWAY, WE WILL REFER THAT TO ENGINEERING.
ANOTHER THING WHERE IT SAYS THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE UM, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE A SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS AND LIGHTS AT NIGHT ALL NIGHT LONG.
I MEAN AT, AT NIGHT THEY'RE GONNA BE JUST SURVEILLING.
THERE'S BE BIG LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF TOTER A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HOMELESS.
THAT'S GONNA LIGHT UP OUR AREA.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S, WE CAN'T INSTALL ALL, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE BACK AREA 'CAUSE IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY THE ALONGSIDE THE BUILDING IN THE BACK OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, JUST SO OUR IMMEDIATE AREA WILL BE LIT UP AND YOU'LL BE SWEEPING AND CLEANING UP DAILY AND RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER GOGI, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, I DID SIT THERE ON SUNDAY AND CAN WE BRING UP THE OTHER ONE THAT SHOWS THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE TRASH CONTAINER THERE? THAT LITTLE, THAT CONTAINER THAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON USING THAT WAS OVERFLOWED MM-HMM
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AND SO HOW DO YOU PLAN ON ADDRESSING THE EXTRA TRASH YOU'RE BRINGING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT AREA AND MAKING SURE THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN? IT WAS KIND OF GROSS.UM, CURRENTLY, LIKE THE NEW LOCATION, WE DON'T HAVE TRASH SERVICE THERE 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T, WE, THE ONLY THING THAT'S LEFT THERE ARE JUST LIKE PLASTIC BAGS THAT BE THE PE THAT, UH, THE CUSTOMERS LEAVE THERE.
WE DON'T TAKE LIKE THEIR CARDBOARD OR ANY OTHER TRASH.
SO WE'VE BEEN, THE TRUCK'S BEEN, WE'VE BEEN LEAVING IN THE CONTAINER AND TAKING IT TO THE, THE INDUSTRIAL LOCATION BUT, AND EMPTYING IT.
BUT ISN'T THAT TRASH CAN ALREADY BEING USED FOR THE BUSINESSES? SO IT'S ALREADY BEING OVERUSED.
IT'S AT THE MOMENT CAPACITY AT.
AND WE'D HAVE TO TALK TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS IF IT NEEDED TO BE PICKED UP MORE FREQUENTLY.
AND THEN, IF I'M CORRECT, YOU'RE SAYING WHERE THAT GREEN BOX IS IS WHERE YOU'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING YOUR MOBILE UNIT? IS THAT CORRECT? OR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT? ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND SO YOU'D MENTIONED EARLIER THERE'S NO PARKING, NO THERE.
THE UH, WHERE THE RED TRUCK IS IS WHERE THE TRUCK IS, UH, PARKING SPOT IS.
SO WHERE, WHAT THE UH, THE RED TRUCK WHERE YOU COULD SEE THERE'S A RED TRUCK RIGHT THERE.
IT'S A RESTAURANT AND THEN HAVING, I DON'T SEE THE RESTAURANT THERE.
THAT'S A SMART AND FINAL IN THE WATER STORE.
NO, THERE'S NO RESTAURANT RIGHT THERE.
THERE'S NO, YEAH, THERE'S NOT A RESTAURANT.
BUT HAVING THIS, HONESTLY, I'VE BEEN BY THE FOOD FOR LESS AND IT STINKS, YOU KNOW, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE HOMES ARE ELEVATED, BUT I'VE BEEN UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE SMELL CAN RISE, YOU KNOW? AND SO WHAT IS YOUR CON YOUR PLAN? YEAH, WE, WE WASH AND WE COLLECT THE WATER BECAUSE WE'RE, I'M FAMILIAR WITH, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT WE HAVE TO COLLECT THE WATER BECAUSE WE CAN'T LET THE WATER RUN DOWN THE STREET WHEN THEY WASH.
YOU HAVE TO KIND OF, YOU HAVE TO COLLECT THE WATER AND, AND UH, UH, IT HAS TO ALL GO DOWN LIKE IN THE SEWER.
IT CAN'T, YOU CAN'T WASH IT DOWN THE STORM DRAINS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S ILLEGAL TO DO THAT IN THE CALIFORNIA, LIKE YOU SAID.
BUT WE DO COLLECT THE WATER AND WE WASH IT.
IF THEY'RE WASHING AND JUST LEAVING THE WATER RUN DOWN THE STREET OR DOWN THE GUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN IT'LL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE PROBLEM WORSE.
AND THEN MY LAST THING, YOU SAID THAT YOU ARE PLANNING ON NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO COME WITH GROCERY CARTS WITH YEAH, WELL THEY DO IT OVER AT THE OTHER ONE.
'CAUSE I'VE SEEN 'EM, THEY, THEY MAY, BUT I MEAN CURRENT LOCATIONS NOW WE HAVE SIGNS UP THAT THEY'RE NOT I KNOW, BUT THAT THIS IS NOT AN AREA THAT YOU HAVE THE ROOM.
MY MY CONCERN IS YOUR ROOM TO DO ALL THIS STUFF IN THIS LITTLE AREA AND IT'S ALREADY CONGESTED.
THE, UH, I MEAN SMALL RECYCLING CENTERS, THEY ALL OPERATE WITHIN THIS KIND OF SMALL SPACE.
LIKE THE ONE I PUT FOR THIS TOO IS IN, IN, IN A BIT OF A CORNER.
AND UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY OPERATE FULLY, BUT UM, LIKE HE WAS SAYING, THEY'RE A BIGGER COMPANY SO THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE, I'M ASSUMING THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE WASH OR POWER WASH THEIR, THEIR LOCATIONS.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT THROUGH SAN DIEGO AND LOS ANGELES TOO.
AND WE, IF WE TALK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER NOW, HE'S A, IT'S THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER WHERE WE'RE AT IN CORONADO.
SO THERE HE, HE WANTS IT, THE PLACE MAINTAINED CLEAN.
LIKE, KIND OF LIKE WE WERE SAYING EARLIER, WE, WE WERE TRYING TO, UH, HAVE THE CUSTOMERS KNOW BEFORE THEY GET THERE TO HAVE THEIR, THEIR, UH, MATERIAL PRESORTED.
THAT WAY THEY'RE NOT THERE TAKING THEIR TIME, YOU KNOW, SORTING OUT ALL THEIR MATERIAL.
AND ALSO THAT, THAT KIND OF ADDS TO THE MESS OF, UM, NOT THE MESS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT DETERS MESS TOO WHEN THEY ALREADY COME WITH IT READY.
YOU JUST DUMP IT IN THERE, YOU WAIT AND THAT'S IT INSTEAD OF HANGING OUT THERE.
AND SO HOW DO YOU PLAN ON TELLING YOUR CUSTOMERS TO PRE-SORT BEFORE THEY COME? AS THEY, AS THEY SHOW UP, AS THEY SHOW UP? THERE'S ALREADY, THERE'S A LOT OF RECYCLING CENTERS THAT OPERATE LIKE THIS.
LIKE, UH, ON MAIN STREET AND CHULA VISTA, THEY DON'T ACCEPT, UH, MIXED LOADS.
THEY JUST ALL DAY IT'S, YOU KNOW, RUNNING CLOCK CLOCKWORK.
UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE? YES, I HAVE, UM, SOMETHING FOR STAFF.
UM, I DID NOTE THAT NUMBER 36 IN THE, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
JUST AS I'M GOING TO REITERATE, AS COMMISSIONER GOGI HAD STATED, UM, NO RECYCLABLE MATERIAL SHOULD BE ACCEPTED FOR THE PERSONS TRANSPORTING IN SAID MATERIAL IN NON-MOTORIZED CARRYING VEHICLES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO SHOPPING CARTS, WAGONS, ET CETERA.
CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT THE ET CETERA IS? JUST ANYTHING THAT'S NOT
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A CAR BASICALLY OR WALKING UP.IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO BE, WE TRY NOT TO LIMIT IT TO JUST ONE THING.
IT'S USUALLY SHOPPING CARTS, BUT THE SHOPPING CARTS IS ONLY AN ISSUE 'CAUSE THEY WERE GETTING, YOU KNOW, TAKEN AWAY FROM WHERE THEY BELONG BACK.
IS THAT CONSIDERED DISCRIMINATORY? NO, WE'VE, NO, WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON THAT MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE YEARS.
BUT, UH, I MEAN IF, UH, I MEAN THE SHOPPING CARTS ARE SUPPOSED TO STAY IN FRONT OF THE STORES THAT THEY SERVE.
SO IF THE PEOPLE ARE TAKING 'EM ELSEWHERE, THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR THE, FOR THE STORE.
I, NO, IF THEY'RE TAKING THEM WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T BE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S DISCRIMINATORY.
BECAUSE I, IF YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BRING ANYTHING UP IN ANYTHING OTHER THAN A VEHICLE AND THERE'S ONLY A FEW PARKING SPACES THAT ARE THERE AND YOU'RE, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PRESORTED, BUT YOU'RE TELLING THEM TO PRESORT AS SOON AS YOU COME UP TO THE FACILITY, THEN HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO, I'M JUST SAYING, UM, MANOLO'S RIGHT NEXT TO MY HOUSE, MANOLO USED TO HAVE A RECYCLING FACILITY AS OF, EXCEPT FOR LAST YEAR, I THINK IT DISSOLVED.
AND PEOPLE ALL THE TIME WOULD BE SITTING AT THEIR CARS, BRING LIKE 10, 20, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, BUT ALL OF THESE TRASH CANS OVER TO THEIR CAR AND BE SORTING OUT, YOU KNOW, INTO THESE DIFFERENT BINS FROM THEIR VEHICLES.
AND THERE WOULD BE PROBABLY AT LEAST, I WOULD SAY, FIVE TO 10 VEHICLES AT A TIME THAT WOULD BE PARKED IN THIS FACILITY, WHICH IS MUCH LARGER, UM, IN ORDER TO, UM, BRING, BRING THE RECYCLABLES INTO THE FACILITY TO BE RECYCLED.
UM, SO MY CONCERN ALSO GOES ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER AMENTA AND COMMISSIONER GOGI, I THINK ALL OF THE COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONERS HERE FOR PEOPLE CROSSING THAT STREET RIGHT THERE BECAUSE IT IS ABSOLUTELY 100% A DANGER EVEN IN A VEHICLE TRYING TO SHOOT ACROSS RIGHT THERE.
UM, AND ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT A BURLINGTON CO FACTORY IS NOW GOING IN WHERE THE UM, UM, BIG LOTS WAS PRIOR.
UM, THERE'S A BIG COMING SOON THERE AND THERE'S GONNA BE ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESSES THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING IN THERE.
SO TO HAVE, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S ADDITIONAL IN THERE, UM, WHAT KIND OF, I THINK WE'RE ALL ASKING WHAT KIND OF MITIGATION MESH, UM, METHODS ARE GONNA BE PRESENTED FOR THAT.
IF WE CAN AVOID THE N WORD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UH, THAT'S A SECRET, THAT'S A SECRET TERM.
AND THERE THERE IS NO IMPACT, UM, THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR AN EXEMPTION.
UM, BUT TO YOUR POINT, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS AN AREA THAT HAS CHALLENGING CIRCULATION.
SO IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, OF COURSE WE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY ADDING TO THAT.
BUT WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, WILL, WHAT WE OFTEN RELY UPON WITH ANY, ANY PROJECT WHERE THE EVENTUAL TRAFFIC IS KIND OF UNKNOWN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE USE SANDAG DATA FOR, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL USES AND WHAT THAT TYPICALLY WILL GENERATE AS FAR AS DAILY TRIPS, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND THERE REALLY IS NOTHING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND WHAT TENDS TO HAPPEN IS YOU SHOW UP AND THERE'S A LINE OF CARS, YOU, YOU COME BACK ANOTHER TIME OR YOU GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
HAVE THERE BEEN, OKAY, SO I KNOW THE ONE ON, UM, WHAT IS THAT 30TH? UH, THE, THE FOOD FOR LESS FACILITY RIGHT THERE.
IT'S LOCATED CLOSER TO THE STREET.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF OUT OF THE WAY OF RESIDENCES AND IT'S CLOSER TO STREETSIDE.
IT'S KIND OF OUT OF THE WAY OF THE PARKING LOT.
HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF MAYBE PUTTING IT MORE IN BETWEEN, UM, LIKE 85 DEGREES AND, UH, CARLS JR IN THAT AREA WHERE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PARKING EITHER, WHERE IT'S AWAY FROM EVERYTHING.
UM, ONE AND TWO, IF THEY ARE A MOBILE UNIT, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA DRAW THEIR ELECTRICITY FROM? OH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THERE.
SOME OF THOSE ARE FOR THE APPLICANT.
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE LOCATION OF, I'M, I'M SORRY, THIS IS NOT MY PROJECT.
THIS IS NO THIS'S, JUST SOPHIA'S PROJECT AND I'M TALKING OVER HER.
UH, JUST REAL QUICK, I MEAN WE DID TALK ABOUT LOCATION A COUPLE OF TIMES.
OBVIOUSLY IF YOU PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT, THEN YOU HAVE TO SCREEN IT, WHICH IS GONNA CREATE A MORE OF AN ISSUE FOR EXPENSE AND ALSO FOR REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF PARKING IN THE, IN THE AREA, WHICH WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO DO.
UM, AS FAR AS ELECTRICITY, I MEAN THIS IS JUST A PURELY COLLECTION FACILITY AS FAR AS I, IS THAT CORRECT? I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THEIR OPERATIONS, BUT THERE, THERE IS NO ELECTRICITY THAT'S PART OF THIS THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING.
THERE'S GONNA BE A SMALL, UM, ELECTRIC GENERATOR, JUST BASICALLY A BATTERY
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FOR A SCALE AND, UH, A SMALL REGISTER, UH, REGISTER OR IPAD.WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND THAT'S ALSO GONNA POWER THE POWER WASHERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WELL, THE POWER WASHER'S GONNA BE AN OUTSIDE TO GO OVER THERE TRUCK MOUNTED.
AND SO GASOLINE IF IT'S TRUCK MOUNTED YEAH.
TO WATCH NOW AND THEN COLLECT THE WATER AND TAKE THE WATER.
WHERE WILL THE SECURITY CAMERAS GET THEIR POWER FROM? IT'S A DVR.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE POWERED WITH THE SAME BATTERY.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIKE, THEY'RE ELECTRIC CAMERAS.
IS THAT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GASOLINE POWERED.
IT'LL BE OPERATING COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.
UM, OKAY, SO FOR STAFF, I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T WANNA USE THE M WORD AND WE, WE DON'T WANNA, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC STUDY THAT'S PART OF THIS BECAUSE OF THE, THE SPECIFIC PROJECT.
HOWEVER, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IS THAT, UM, THE EXPERIENCES IS THAT THE, THE TRAFFIC FLOW ON AN AVENUE IS VERY FAST COMING DOWN THE HILL AND COMING UP THE HILL.
SO PERHAPS, UH, FOR GOING BACK TO THE NUISANCE AND, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO GRANT THIS, IT WOULD CONTRIBUTE, INCREASE TRAFFIC CRIME.
I, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT STAFF CONSIDER A TRAFFIC, UH, DISCUSSION THAT'S SEPARATE AND APART FROM THIS PROJECT, SO THAT IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE, THE, AT THE APPLICANT.
UM, AND I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER CASTLE'S, UM, 36 AND 37 OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, OF THE CONDITION, THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS IN AN UNSERVED CONVENIENCE ZONE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE CODE PER STATE LAW AND PER MUNICIPAL CODE.
UM, I THINK FROM, UM, MS. ROJAS'S, UM, CONCERN ARE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE A FINDING FOR DENIAL.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I, I THINK THAT, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO ARE LOITERING, FOR EXAMPLE, AND SOME OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT I'VE SEEN IN, IN, ACROSS THE CITY, PEOPLE LIKE LINEUP EARLY, UM, CARTS, YOU KNOW, SHOPPING CARTS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO I THINK THE, UM, YOUR EXAMPLE OF BEING LOCALLY OWNED VERSUS A CORPORATE, YOU KNOW, A CORPORATE CONGLOMERATE UNDERSTOOD, UM, THAT YOU HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF, OF KEEPING YOUR AREA CLEAN.
BUT WE DO HAVE RESIDENTS, UM, WHO HAVE BEEN THERE NOW FOR 30 YEARS.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE CONCERN FROM, UM, MY PERSPECTIVE IS TO BE ABLE TO, UM, TO NOT FIND, YOU KNOW, TO GRANT THIS BASED ON THE CURRENT LAND USE CODE BEING CONVENIENT, IS THAT, ARE THOSE TWO CONDITIONS, I THINK ARE THE ONES THAT, THAT CAUSE THE MOST CONCERN.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA CLEAN, YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, BUT HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, UM, ENSURE THAT, UM, THE, THE LOITERING AND OR THE, I'M TAKING THE SAFETY ASIDE 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY HAS TO DEAL WITH, UM, AS FAR AS THE CAR TRAFFIC, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE LOITERING IS VERY COMMON IN LOCATIONS.
UM, THE ONE IN BARRIO LOGAN THAT I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE LINING UP HOURS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, IT OPENS.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEE TO START, UM, SECURITY CAMERA'S GREAT, YOU KNOW, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HOW, HOW DOES THAT POLICE, HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT? LIKE FROM A, YOU'RE A PRIVATE CITIZEN, YOU WORK, YOU KNOW, YOUR PARTNERSHIP WITH WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
HOW DO YOU DO THAT? I MEAN, WE COULD, WE COULD DENY SERVICE TO PEOPLE.
IF THEY'RE COMING IN WITH A SHOPPING CART, WE COULD TELL 'EM OR WALKING IN WHEN WE COULD BUY THEM THE SERVICE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THEIR MATERIAL.
AND WHAT ABOUT MANAGING ALL THAT CASH ON SITE? HOW DOES THAT WORK? UM, IT'S DELIVERED THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CASH THERE AT ONCE.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH LIKE, ROBBERIES OF AMONGST NO, I ONLY HAVE OKAY.
PROBABLY WITH THE CAMERAS TOO.
'CAUSE, UH, EVEN LIKE WHERE WE'RE AT NOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE COME UP AND LIKE, OH, YOU GUYS HAVE CAMERAS, LIKE, LIKE THE GUYS BEFORE US, BEFORE YOU GUYS HAD NEVER HAD CAMERAS.
IT'S A LOT OF JUST BEING LIKE PROFESSIONAL AND HAVING EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, READY.
SO, AND IF THERE'S A, NOW THERE'S PROBLEMS. PEOPLE AT NIGHTTIME, AND I MEAN, HANGING OUT THERE NOW, I MEAN, I MEAN, NO REASON FOR US BEING THERE ISN'T MORE WILL BE SHOWING UP, ESPECIALLY IF WE, IF THEY'RE NOT OUR CUSTOMERS.
SO IF, SO YOU HAVE A FIVE YEAR LEASE WITH OPTIONS AND YOU HAVE A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER MM-HMM
UM, SO YOU ALSO HAVE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE CONCERNED.
SO WHAT IS YOUR TRACK RECORD OF WORKING WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS IN OTHER, YOUR OTHER LOCATIONS? UM, WE HAVE, I, I'VE GONE TO LIKE, UH, THERE'S ONE IN, UM, THAT WE'VE OPERATED IN, UH, IT'S LIKE THE SKYLINE, PARADISE HILLS MM-HMM
AND I USED TO GO TO THOSE MEETINGS REGULARLY AND ADDRESS THE, THEIR, THEIR CONCERNS.
'CAUSE WE DID HAVE SOMEBODY COMPLAIN BEFORE,
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BUT THEY WERE ADDRESSED AND WE KEPT CONTINUED TO OPERATE THERE.BUT I MEAN, A DIFFERENT, SO THE ISSUES I'VE HEARD ARE THE TRASH, THE TRAFFIC, THAT'S YOU GUYS, UM, THE, UM, THE LOITERING AND THE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE NUISANCE AND THE, THE CRIME AND SAFETY.
SO I GUESS AS CITIZEN OF LOCAL CITIZENS AND PEOPLE WANTING TO DO BUSINESS HERE FOR LONG TERM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE WHERE, UM, THE BEST, I GUESS, UM, COMMITMENT AS FAR AS 36 AND 37 OF THOSE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ARE, YOU KNOW, UM, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, I WOULD SAY.
BUT BECAUSE WE HAD ACTUALLY SOMEBODY WHO SHOWED UP ON BEHALF OF HERSELF AND HER FAMILY AND HER RESIDENTS, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, WOULD GO A LONG WAY.
AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF DOING THAT, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU ESTABLISH THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH MR HAS AND HER AND HER AND HER NEIGHBORS NOW BEFORE OF COURSE.
BEFORE YOU START YOUR, UM, YOUR BUSINESS.
I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH ANYONE LOITERING AT OUR LOCATIONS RIGHT NOW.
AND THERE IS LIKE, 'CAUSE I HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN THERE ONLY FOR ABOUT A YEAR.
THERE'S SOMETIMES GUYS WANNA HANG, NOT HANG OUT, BUT THEY THINK IT'S OKAY.
YOU KNOW, WE TELL 'EM RIGHT AWAY, LIKE, HEY, IF YOU HANG OUT HERE, YOU ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO RECYCLE HERE.
AND THAT RIGHT AWAY, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT THEM, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO CASH OUT.
SO THAT RIGHT THERE JUST, UH, AND WORD IT GETS AROUND TO WITH PEOPLE THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO SHOPPING CARTS OR, OR TO HANG OUT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, IT IS SUBJECT TO, UH, REVIEW AND CODE ENFORCEMENT.
IF THERE ARE VIOLATIONS THAT CREEP UP AT ANY POINT DURING THE LIFE OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IT CAN BE BROUGHT BACK TO THIS VERY BODY FOR, UM, DENIAL FOR REVOCATION OF, UH, THE PERMITTED USE.
UH, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF HAVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO IF, IF, UM, THERE ARE VIOLATIONS BY YOUR COMPANY OR ISSUES THAT ARISE FROM RESULTING FROM IT, IT CAN BE BROUGHT BACK TO THIS BODY.
SO, UM, AND I, I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT WE RECOGNIZE TONIGHT THAT ARE, HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, LIKE THE TRAFFIC THAT'S, UH, A REALITY RIGHT NOW, EVEN BEFORE YOU ARE THERE.
UM, AND SO THE CITY HAS TO DEAL WITH THAT.
UM, NOW AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, READING THROUGH THIS, UM, THIS ON THE STAFF REPORT ON PAGE NINE, UNDER THE PROPOSED USE, IT SAYS, THE FACILITY PROPOSES TO RECYCLE ALUMINUM CANS, GLASS AND PLASTIC BOTTLES.
HOWEVER, ON THE LAST PAGE, ON PAGE 30, THIS, UH, CERTIFIED RECYCLING CENTER PAGE, I GUESS THIS IS YOUR CERTIFICATE FROM THE DIVISION OF RECYCLING CAL RECYCLE, IT SAYS THAT, UH, THE COLLECTION OF ALUMINUM, UH, BAG IN BOX, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT IS BY METAL, DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
GLASS PAPERBOARD CARTON, PLASTIC MULTILAYER POUCH.
AND THE, THE TWO LISTS DON'T SEEM TO JIVE.
AND I'M JUST A QUESTION OF STAFF, I GUESS, IS THAT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE WHAT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA SAYS CAN BE COLLECTED AT THIS LOCATION VERSUS WHAT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT? UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT'S JUST THE MAXIMUM THAT THEY CAN DO.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY MOST OF THOSE THINGS DON'T EVEN, THEY DON'T, UH, THERE'S NO REDEMPTION VALUE.
SO THE WHOLE POINT BEHIND THIS IS TO IS FOR REDEMPTION.
UM, SO ARE YOU PLANNING ON TAKING ANYTHING ELSE? YES.
SO THOSE ARE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE NEW TO THE, TO THE PROGRAM.
THEY JUST ADDED THEM LAST YEAR.
BUT THOSE ARE BEVERAGE CONTAINERS ALSO.
THEY'RE NOT, UM, IT'S NOT CARDBOARD OR THE BAGGING BOX IS A WINE BAGS.
SO WHEN THEY SELL YOU A, A BOX, A BOX OF WINE MM-HMM
CARRIN IS IS ALCOHOL DRINKS THAT COME IN A, LIKE A, A CARIN OKAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD OF B BOX OR DRINKS LIKE THAT.
AND, UM, THE MULTILAYER POUCH IS ALSO ANOTHER POUCH.
IT'S LIKE A PRE SUN MATERIAL, BUT, UH, ALCOHOL DRINKS.
SO IT'S ALL DRINKS, IT'S NOTHING, IT'S NOT LIKE A, A LOT OF CARDBOARD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THE BIOME, THE BIO METAL IS LIKE THE COCONUT CANS THAT ARE LIKE ALUMINUM CANS, BUT THEY'RE STEEL, THEY'RE HARD TO SQUEEZE.
THE BIO METAL, BUT THEY'RE, YOU DON'T GET COLLECT A WHOLE LOT OF THAT.
IT'S, IT'S MULTI PLASTIC CLASS AND, UH, UH, PLASTIC BOTTLES LIKE THE, THE PET, THE WATER BOTTLES, SODA BOTTLES.
NO, MY, MY MAIN CONCERN WAS THAT THE LISTS JIVE AND THAT SOMEDAY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SHOWS UP AND SAYS, YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT AT THIS FACILITY HERE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT ARE ON THE SAME WA SAME WAVELENGTH WHEN IT COMES TO THE ITEMS THAT YOU WILL ACTUALLY BE COLLECTING HERE.
YEAH, WE, WELL, THAT'S WHAT, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE STATE'S PERMITTING
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SYSTEM IS NOT EXACTLY ALIGNED WITH OURS, BUT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT THE STATE TAKES, TAKE ANYTHING THAT THE STATE TAKES AND, AND DOES AND HAS CRV FOR WOULD BE PERMITTED AT THIS SITE IF IT WAS APPROVED.THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
UM, OKAY, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS POINT.
UH, COMMISSIONER ARMINTA, GOING BACK TO THE GENERATORS, HOW LONG WILL THE GENERATORS LAST? THERE'S SOME LAST TWO, THREE DAYS BEFORE THEY HAVE TO BE SWITCHED OUT WITH THE, WITH ANOTHER ONE.
UH, AND THEN, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S NO FACILITIES THERE, I GUESS I'M SAYING.
HOW DO YOUR EMPLOYEES, UH, LIKE USE A BATHROOM OR WASH THEIR HANDS AFTER COLLECTING ALL THAT STUFF? IT'S BECAUSE IT'S LIKE AN ACCESSORY USE.
WE USUALLY GO INSIDE THE STORES.
WE GOT A RESTROOM AGREEMENT, ALL CENTERS WHAT, YEAH.
TO GO TO LIKE THE SMART AND FINE OR OTHER STORES.
SO EVERY TIME THE, UH, WORKERS RECEIVING, UH, COLLECTING THINGS AND THEY WANNA WASH THEIR HANDS, THEY HAVE TO SHUT THE PLACE DOWN AND GO WASH THEIR HANDS WIPES OR ALCOHOL WIPES TOO.
I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER ONE FOR STAFF.
I'M LIKE REALLY STUCK ON NUMBER 36.
WHAT DOES COW RECYCLE SAY ABOUT, UM, UH, THE, UM, SHOPPING CARTS AND WAGONS? DO THEY SAY, IS THERE ANY LAWS LIKE CALIFORNIA WISE THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DENY, UM, SOMEBODY, AND THEN ALSO, HOW DO YOU, UM, EXCLUDE FROM A PERSONAL SHOPPING CART COMPARED TO LIKE A, UH, A STORE SHOPPING CART? SO SOMEBODY THAT MAY HAVE WEAVED SOMETHING TOGETHER AND MADE THEIR OWN KIND OF CARTS GOING TOGETHER, UM, THAT ARE GONNA BRING THOSE FORWARD.
HOW, WHAT, WHAT IS, IT'S JUST VERY VAGUE, I THINK ON NUMBER 36, UH, FOR WHAT'S GONNA BE PRECLUDED FROM THAT.
AND IT'S OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.
WELL, I WOULD SAY EVERYTHING'S OPEN TO INTERPRETATION, BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE TRY TO BE INCLUSIVE.
I MEAN, THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN SHOPPING CARTS OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE THOSE ARE TYPICALLY REPORTED AS AS HAVING BEEN TAKEN OFF THE PROPERTY AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS GET TAKEN BACK.
IF THEY ARE, THEN I GUESS THAT'S ONE THING, BUT, UH, I MEAN, OSTENSIBLY SOMEBODY COULD PARK ACROSS THE WAY AND USE A LITTLE WAGON TO BRING, BRING SOMETHING OVER.
I MEAN, IT, THERE'S, THERE'S A REASONABLE STANDARD THERE SOMEWHERE.
AND WE CAN CERTAINLY TWEAK THAT LANGUAGE, IF YOU LIKE, WITH THE SHOPPING CARTS.
THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE BACK BEHIND THE STORE.
SO THAT'S JUST BEEN A POLICY THAT'S COME DOWN FROM, I MEAN, WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY IN THE CITY WITH DEALING WITH RECYCLING FACILITIES, UM, OF ALL KINDS.
NOT, NOT THESE NECESSARILY, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE, UH, I'M GONNA GET TO THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT.
UM, MANY YEARS AGO WHEN THE CURRENT MAYOR WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER, HE WAS PART OF A PROCESS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY WENT TO THE STATE TO, UH, TO CHANGE THE LAW AT THE STATE LEVEL SO THAT IF A PROPERTY OR IF A CONVENIENCE ZONE WAS, WAS ALREADY SERVED, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO APPROVE ANY FORM OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR IT.
WE COULD DENY IT JUST BECAUSE OF THERE WAS NO NECESSITY.
UM, AND BECAUSE AT THE TIME WE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH SHOPIFY CARTS BEING STOLEN AND, AND USED TO TRANSPORT ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
BUT THAT WAS A BIG DRIVER OF THAT PROBLEM.
UM, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT.
WE'VE HAD VARIOUS, UH, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS AND CONVERSATIONS OVER THE YEARS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE RELATED TO SHOPPING CARTS, WHETHER WE REQUIRE THEM TO BE, YOU KNOW, GEO-FENCED OR, OR OF A CERTAIN DESIGN SO THAT IT COULDN'T BE TAKEN OUTTA THE PARKING LOT WITHOUT THE WHEELS LOCKING, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BASED ON JUST BASICALLY YEARS OF POLICY FROM, YOU KNOW, COMING DOWN FROM THE COUNCIL.
IF IT'S TIME TO CHANGE, IT'S TIME TO CHANGE.
BUT THERE IS CERTAINLY A COMMON THREAD AMONGST THE, THE ISSUES WITH THE SHOPPING CARTS AND THE, AND RECYCLING FACILITIES.
NOW, THIS DOESN'T GO INTO A, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO HAVE THE METAL RECYCLING FACILITIES WHERE WE HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, FOLKS STEALING THE, THE, UH, THE PLAQUES AND THE WAR MEMORIAL AND BACKFLOW PREVENTERS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, EVERYONE HAS, EVERY TYPE OF FACILITY HAS THIS ISSUES.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KEEPING THE HONEST SKY HONEST, IF YOU WILL.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE OPERATE, UH, APPROPRIATELY AND THAT THEY, UH, STICK TO THEIR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WHICH THEY ARE RESTRICTED AGAINST THE PROPERTY.
SO THE PROPERTY OWNER IS ALSO INVOLVED, AND WE CAN REVOKE THIS PERMIT IF IT'S, IF THE APPLICANT'S IN VIOLATION OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WHICH THEY'RE, UM, WHICH THEY WOULD HAVE TO, TO PROMISE TO UPHOLD.
UM, AND AS AN EXTENSION OF KEEPING
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UP WITH THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WILL, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TRAIN THEIR CLIENTELE.AND FOLKS KNOW THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN LEVEL OF BEHAVIOR THAT'S EXPECTED, AND THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THAT WE CAN DO THROUGH CONDITIONS.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT IS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
UH, TO ME, THE, THE DISTINCTION IS ACTUALLY OWNERSHIP, UM, PER, NOBODY OWNS A SHOPPING CART EXCEPT THE SUPERMARKETS, RIGHT? THEY DO OWN WAGONS, THEY OWN OTHER CARTS THAT MIGHT BE PULLED BY BICYCLES.
SO IF SOMEBODY SHOWED UP WITH A, ONE OF THE, THESE COLLAPSIBLE WAGONS THAT THEY PERSONALLY OWN, WOULD YOU TURN THEM AWAY OR WOULD YOU TAKE THEIR STUFF? BECAUSE MORE THAN LIKELY THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT AND GO BACK HOME WITH IT, RIGHT? YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'LL NEED IT NEXT TIME THEY COME, IT BELONGS TO THEM.
WHEREAS I CAN SEE WITH THE SHOPPING CART, OH, THAT'S NOT MINE.
OR, AND THAT'S WHY WE, THAT'S WHY NOW WE DON'T ALLOW SHOPPING CARTS BECAUSE OKAY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING LIKE, I WOULD THINK THAT'S LIKE A POLICING PROBLEM.
I MEAN, IT, IT, WE, WE USE OUR BASKETS, OUR WIRE BASKETS.
IF I HAD 'EM ALL OVER THE CITY, I MEAN, I, WE WOULD'VE TO BE PAYING FOR THOSE AND THAT WOULD BE, BUT IF SOMEBODY SHOWED UP WITH A, A LITTLE WAGON, ONE OF THESE WAGONS, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT YOU, YOU WOULD TAKE THEIR STUFF.
I MEAN, I WOULDN'T SEE WHY WE SHOULDN'T, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE USING IT AND, AND THEN TAKING IT BACK WITH THEM AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABANDONING IT.
MAY MAYBE THAT CAN, OR THE, THE KEY WORD WOULD BE OWNERSHIP.
IF, IF THAT'S A STICKING POINT, WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, ADJUST THE CONDITION AS YOU SEE FIT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON HERE.
SO THANK YOU GENTLEMEN, VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
CAN I JUST ADD TOO THAT, UM, WE'RE THE CENTRAL LOCATION.
IT, IT WOULD, UM, SERVE ALL THE UNSERVED ZONES IN NATIONAL CITY.
SO LIKE HOW YOU SAID YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UH, APPROVE ANOTHER RECYCLING CENTER WITH THIS ONE.
EVERY SINGLE ZONE INSIDE NATIONAL CITY WOULD BE, UM, SERVED, SO MM-HMM
TECHNICALLY YOU WOULDN'T NEED ANOTHER RECYCLING CENTER IN THE CITY.
SO THAT WOULD COVER ALL THE ZONES THAT ARE UNSERVED.
NOW, THERE'S SEVEN TOTAL ZONES.
IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF 'EM, SO.
HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC, OKAY.
YOU MAY COME UP AND ADDRESS US.
UM, NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THE CONCERN.
THERE WAS A GREEN BOX IN THAT PICTURE THAT YOU HAD THE RED TRUCK IN THE ELECTRIC BOX.
YEAH, THAT'S AN ELECTRICAL TRANSFORMER, I THINK.
AND IS THERE, THAT'S PUBLIC UTILITY, SO, OR DO THEY HAVE A RIGHT FOR EASEMENT ON THAT? UH, AND HOW CLOSE ARE THE BINS GONNA BE TO AN ELECTRICAL TRANSFORMER? THE METAL BINS.
SO THAT'S, AND ALSO THE DRIVEWAYS.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE COMING IN AND OUT, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE MAKING RIGHT AND LEFT TURNS, AND THEY'RE IN AS, UH, COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA SAID THAT THERE'S, THE TRAFFIC IS CONSTANT.
PEOPLE GO FROM SWEETWATER ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE TO GET TO THE SHOPPING CENTER.
SO I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S GONNA BE ALLEVIATED, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A RECYCLING CENTER, UH, WHERE, UH, IT'S BEING PROPOSED.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.
HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? THIS IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING CHAIR MILLER.
I DID SEEK, UH, COMMISSIONER GO GIZA HAND.
WE HAVE A, A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GOGI TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS NOT THE DECISION, UH, ON THE PROJECT YET.
UH, THIS IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY, UH, ON THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
OH, I'M SORRY, MADAM CHAIRMAN.
UH, MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE, UH, GIVE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
I NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONERS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES.
IS THERE A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION THAT WOULD LIKE TO BRING A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL BY CHAIR CASTLE? I, I KIND OF WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS FROM THE BACK TO THE FRONT
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TO WHERE I HAD MENTIONED IN BETWEEN 85 DEGREES AND, UM, WHAT, WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO DO THAT? UM, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY NEED ELECTRICITY BACK THERE.THEY DON'T NEED ANY, ANY, UM, UTILITIES THAT ARE COMING FROM THAT AREA.
UM, I THINK THAT BECAUSE IT'S DARK AND SECLUDED AND JUST THE, THE WAY THAT IT'S POSITIONED WITH THE ROAD THAT IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD PLACEMENT FOR IT.
I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE DO NEED ADDITIONAL RECYCLING BECAUSE HEY, THE ONES THAT WE'VE HAD HAVE CLOSED.
UM, I THINK PUTTING IT FURTHER TOWARDS THE STREET VIEW WOULD KEEP EVERYBODY IN MORE COMPLIANCE.
LIKE, HEY, WE HAVE TO LIKE, KEEP THIS UP AND GOING, UM, IN BETWEEN 85 DEGREES AND, UH, CARL'S JUNIOR, LIKE, UP TOWARDS THAT AREA.
I DON'T REALLY SEE A WHOLE BUNCH OF CARS PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT TOWARDS THE STREET VIEW.
IS THERE A WAY THAT, HOW, HOW WOULD THAT WORK? GETTING IT MOVED TO, TO THAT AREA? THEY HAVE A LEASE.
I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE CONDITIONS OF A LEASE.
LIKE, THAT'S NOT OUR, THAT'S, I MEAN, WE'RE HERE FOR LAKE LAND USE.
I JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET INTO.
SO THAT'S THE, WELL, IT'S THE LEASES FOR THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE LOT.
THE OWNER OWNS EVERYTHING IN THAT COMPLEX.
SO THEY ESSENTIALLY COULD MOVE THEM WHEREVER, RIGHT? WELL, THIS OR THAT WOULD BE AN ESSENTIALLY MUCH DIFFERENT PROJECT.
'CAUSE WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO SCREENING REGULATIONS.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE SCREENED.
THAT'S WHY IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT SCREENING TOO MUCH 'CAUSE IT'S BEHIND THE BUILDING.
ONCE YOU STAND ON TOP OF THE HILL BEHIND YOU CAN, AND LOOK DOWN, YOU, YOU MAYBE OUGHT TO SEE IT, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BACK OF THE STORE.
UM, SO THE, THE OPTIONS WOULD EITHER BE TO, TO CONTINUE AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO REDESIGN OR TO DENY IT IF YOU DIDN'T WANT IT IN THAT POSITION.
BUT WE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY REAPPLY IN A, IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR SCREENING? OR IT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE A WALL OF SOME KIND, WHICH WOULD BE POSSIBLY LANDSCAPING.
BUT YEAH, ANYTHING THAT WOULD SCREEN IT FROM THE SURROUND, THE SURROUNDING AREA.
AND OF COURSE WE ALL THE OTHER, ALL THE OTHER LESS MICROPHONE, YOU WOULD HAVE ALL THE OTHER LESSEES WHO ARE IMPACTED.
THEN YOU WOULD TALK ABOUT 85 DEGREES TO CARLS JR.
ALL THE IMPACTS TO THE PARKING.
THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THE BANK, LIKE ALL, IT'S A DIFFERENT RIGHT NOW AS IT IS THE LEASE.
IS IT, IT, THE, THE PROPERTY, I MEAN THE, THE, THE FACILITY, IT'S MOBILE FIRST OF ALL.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT THE, THE, THE RESIDENCE ARE UP TOP.
BUT FROM A, FROM, IF YOU WERE TO MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, I MEAN, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT HOW MANY 15 DIFFERENT TENANTS THAT ARE IN THAT PROPERTY WHO ARE NOW GONNA BE IMPACTED BY THAT, I MEAN, IT, I THINK IT CHANGES THE WHOLE GAME AND IT CHANGES THEIR BUSINESS MODEL AND IT CHANGES THEIR ABILITY TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEIR CONTRACT LEASE IS FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
I MEAN, I JUST, I DON'T WANNA MESS WITH SOMEBODY'S CONTRACT.
AND, AND THEN IN, IN ADDITION, UM, THE, I WOULD OBJECT TO THAT BECAUSE THE ONE AT, UH, FOOD FOR LESS IS AN EYESORE.
AND IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER.
IT LOOKS HORRIBLE, YOU KNOW, IT STINKS.
UH, I GO TO FOOD FOR LESS OCCASIONALLY, AND I DRIVE BY THAT.
AND I THINK WHY, WHO IN THE, THEIR RIGHT MIND WHAT CITY PLANNER DECIDED TO PUT THIS HERE RIGHT ON THE CORNER, EXPOSED LIKE THAT.
EVEN THOUGH I USED TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA.
I, I DENOUNCED THEM FOR CENTERS, THAT PARTICULAR DECISION.
SO I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THIS CLOSER TO THE STREET BECAUSE TO ME IT BELONGS AS MUCH OUTTA SIGHT AS POSSIBLE.
UH, I COMMISSIONER I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING.
AESTHETICALLY IT WOULD LOOK REALLY UNPLEASANT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? OH YEAH.
A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THE STREET, HAVING ALL THIS RECYCLING.
AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, BUT I, IT JUST WOULDN'T LOOK RIGHT THERE.
MAYBE I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I SHARE ALL THE CONCERNS OF ALL YOU PUTTING IT IN THE BACK, BUT AT LEAST IT'S OUT OF SIGHT.
MY CONCERN IS JUST HAVING IT RIGHT.
AGAINST, AGAINST THAT THAT COME DOWN RIGHT THERE.
RIGHT DOWN RIGHT AT THE DOWNHILL OF IT.
I MEAN, RIGHT AT THAT POINT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE BACK REALLY LOOKS, 'CAUSE I NEVER GO BACK THERE.
BUT IS THERE, LIKE, CAN THEY MOVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE CENTER? NO, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THERE BECAUSE BEHIND WHERE HOMETOWN BUFFET USED TO BE, THERE A BIG PARKING LOT THERE DOING AS PART OF THE CHAIR.
UH, ANY, ANY COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND, AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
UH, SO STILL WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION,
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UH, FOR SOMETHING.SO, UH, IS THERE, UH, HOW DO THE COMMISSIONERS FEEL ABOUT MAYBE CONTINUING IT TO GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE TRAFFIC OR A TRAFFIC LINE OR SOMETHING? NO, I THINK TRAFFIC, THE ISSUES ALREADY EXIST.
THIS FACILITY IS NOT GOING TO BREAK THAT ISSUE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, I THINK SOMEBODY SAID THAT BURLINGTON IS GOING IN, UM, THAT I CAN SEE PUSHING THE CITY TO, AT THE VERY LEAST, PUTTING A STOP SIGN AT THIS LITTLE INTERSECTION THAT'S NOT WARRANTED RIGHT NOW, BUT IN THE FUTURE POSSIBLY.
BUT THIS LITTLE PROJECT, I DON'T SEE US PUNISHING THIS APPLICANT FOR THE ISSUES THAT EXIST RIGHT NOW.
AND BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING PERSONALLY.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD FEEL.
AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.
I JUST, IT'S JUST THE TRAFFIC AND JUST THE THREE PARKING SPACES.
AND I, I, I DON'T, UH, WANNA PUNISH ANY PEDESTRIANS OR ANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS FAMILY TO GET, UH, HURT OR CAUSE AN ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING.
SOMEBODY'S, YOU KNOW, JUST SOMETHING.
I MEAN, IF I'M, IF I MAY CHAIR, I MEAN THERE, IN ORDER FOR THE, WITH REGARD TO TRAFFIC, THERE HAS TO BE A NEXUS THAT THE PROJECT PRESENTS.
THAT AND THERE IS JUST, THERE IS NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT IT'S GONNA GENERATE ENOUGH TRAFFIC TO WARRANT A TRAFFIC STUDY.
I THINK COMMISSIONER KEN, JON, I'M SORRY.
OH, I WAS GONNA SAY, WE'LL, WE WILL ARE CERTAINLY, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE.
WE KNOW ABOUT THAT WE WILL TALK TO ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY WITH THE OWNERSHIP OF THE, OF THE STREET.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT CITY STREET ALL THE WAY FROM PLAZA TO L.
PART OF IT IS PRIVATE, PART OF IT IS, IS THE CITY.
SO WE WILL WORK WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER WE CAN TO, TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC SITUATION THERE.
AND ONE THING, UH, THAT, UH, MR. DEPUY JUST BROUGHT UP IS IN THE CODE SECTION RELATED TO RECYCLING, MOBILE RECYCLING FACILITIES.
IF IT IS IN A PARKING LOT, IT CAN'T TAKE UP MORE THAN THREE PARKING SPACES, WHICH WOULD BE FAIRLY AWKWARD IN THAT FRONT AREA, I WOULD SAY, BUT POTENTIALLY STILL POSSIBLE.
OH, YOUR MIC WAS ON, SO, OH, I'M SORRY.
UH, VICE CHAIR, I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
UM, AND, AND JUST CLAR CLARIFICATION FOR ME.
UM, THE, I KNOW THERE WAS, THERE'S A PAPER ROAD THAT GOES ACROSS THE OTHER WAY, UM, THAT AT ONE POINT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING ALL OF THAT REPAVED AND REDONE AND HAVING A BIKE, A BIKE LANE GO THROUGH THERE.
UM, ARE, IS THAT STILL IN THE WORKS TO HAVE A BIKE LANE COMING DOWN THAT HILL? UM, AND GOING ACROSS, THAT'S GONNA GO ACROSS PLAZA, THAT'S GONNA GO PAST THE STARBUCKS, THE JOLLY BEE AND COME BACK UP THROUGH THERE.
IS THAT STILL IN THE WORKS AS WELL? I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THE BIKE LANE.
I KNOW ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PLAZA THERE IS, UH, WE ARE GOING TO WIDEN THE STREET FURTHER UP ON TOP OF THE HILL AND CREATE AN EMERGENCY ACCESS AREA TO GO THROUGH.
SO FIRE TRUCKS WILL, AND POLICE WILL BE ABLE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY THROUGH, BUT IT WON'T, THE STREET ITSELF WON'T BE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, BUT IT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK AND BIKE ON.
SO THERE WOULD CERTAINLY BE CONTINUITY THERE.
BUT AS FAR AS, IS THERE ACTUALLY GONNA BE A BIKE LANE THERE? I CAN LOOK THAT UP BETWEEN NOW AND THE, AND THE REST OF THE MEETING, BUT, UH, I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
UM, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? I STILL NEED A MOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO GRANT APPROVAL BASED ON, UH, THAT IT'S CATEGORY EXEMPT FROM CQA.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? ANYBODY WANT TO GIVE A SECOND? I WILL GIVE A SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA AND A SECOND BY CHAIR MILLER TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2025 DASH 15, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY CALIFORNIA, DETERMINING THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
CA UNDER CLASS, ONE OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 1, EXISTING FACILITIES AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A RECYCLING CENTER TO BE LOCATED AT 1240 EAST PLAZA BOULEVARD.
CASE FILE NUMBER 2025 DASH 19 C APN, 5 57 DASH 3 22 DASH
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BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YES, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO, UM, MS. ROJAS AND TO, UM, THE ST.
JOHN FAM, UH, COMPANY FOR MAKING THEIR PRESENTATIONS.
ALSO, UM, JUST TO REITERATE THAT THE UNSERVED CONVENIENCE ZONE IS STATE LAW.
UM, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE CODE, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE HERE AS PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO DISCUSS LAND USE.
AND ALSO THERE ARE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT, UM, THAT, UH, EITHER THE CITY HAS IDENTIFIED AND OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTING THIS ONE.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS IN THE MOTION? OKAY.
WE WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
UH, MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
FOUR NOS, TWO YESES WHEN ABSENT.
AND FOR THE RECORD, WE DO NEED TO TAKE, UM, UH, WE DO NEED EVERYBODY'S REASONING AS TO WHY THE, NO.
SO WE'LL GO DOWN THE LIST STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER ARMAND.
SO WE NEED ANOTHER MOTION OF SOME KIND THEN, UH, MR. CHAIR, THAT I BELIEVE THAT SERVES AS A DENIAL.
SO JUST TO LET EVERYONE IN IN THE ROOM KNOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S A A NO ON THE MOTION.
AND WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE FINDINGS FOR DENIAL.
SO WE, WE NEED ANOTHER MOTION.
NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR DENIAL, AND WE HAVE TO BASE IT ON FINDINGS.
I MISUNDERSTOOD MY CONVERSATION.
THERE IS ONE, UH, PHONE, SORRY.
ONE FINDING FOR DENIAL IN THAT, IN THE DENIAL RESOLUTION.
SO, UH, I NEED A MOTION FROM A COMMISSIONER TO DO SOMETHING.
EITHER AMEND THE RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL TO THE SATISFACTION OF, UH, TO, TO GET A POSITIVE VOTE OR TO, UH, HAVE A MOTION OF DENIAL.
OTHERWISE, WE'RE ALL GONNA SPEND THE NIGHT HERE.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, TO, UH, DENIAL, UH, BASED ON THE, IT WOULD CONSTITUTE, UH, IT WOULD BE INJUR AND DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC, UH, SAFETY.
AND, UH, WE WOULD REQUIRE, RIGHT? YES.
UM, GRANTING, UH, THE PERMIT WOULD, UH, CONSTITUTE AN INJUR, UH, OR DETRIMENTAL TO HEALTH, SAFETY, CONVENIENCE, OR WELFARE OR MATERIALLY INJURIOUS TO PERSON'S PROPERTY OR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE VICINITY AND ZONE IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, BECAUSE IT WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO INCREASED TRAFFIC, CRIME AND LITTER.
WE HAVE, UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER ARMENTO AND A SECOND FROM VICE CHAIR CASTLE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2025 DASH 15, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY CALIFORNIA, DETERMINING THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT, UH, FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT UNDER CLASS ONE OF THE CA GUIDELINES AND DENYING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A RECYCLING CENTER TO BE LOCATED AT 1240, UH, EAST PLAZA BOULEVARD.
CASE FILE NUMBER 2025 DASH 19 CPN 5 57 DASH 3 22.
WOULD THAT, IS THAT COMPLETE? YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING FOR THE SQL EXEMPTION.
YOU COULD JUST MAKE THE MOTION TO DENY THE PROJECT.
AND WE STAFF WILL CREATE THE RESOLUTION.
SO, OKAY, THEN WE WILL VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE RESOLUTION OF DENIAL.
BUT DON'T WE HAVE TO, OH, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? I'M SORRY, MY, MY APOLOGIES.
UM, WHAT'S THE, UM, APPLICANT'S NEXT STEP THEY CAN, UH, APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL? YEAH, SO WITH ANY DISCRETIONARY PERMITS SUCH AS A CUP, IT WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS
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A NOTICE OF DECISION AS A 30 DAY APPEAL PERIOD FOR THE APPLICANT TO APPEAL THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DENIAL, IF THEY WISH, OR THE CITY COUNCIL MAY, UH, PULL THE ITEM FOR A DISCUSSION, DEPENDING.AND THEN MY NEXT COMMENT IS, I'M JUST DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE A HABIT, I FEEL LIKE, OF STALLING THINGS FOR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS OR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE A LIVING.
AND I, I, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T A CORPORATE CONGLOMERATE.
UM, THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO'S ALREADY, UM, HAS A LEASE FOR, UH, A PROPERTY WHO HAS A BUSINESS MODEL THAT'S WORKING ELSEWHERE, UM, WHO HAS MADE A COMMITMENT TO FOLLOW THE, UM, THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE CODE.
I'M NOT A POLICYMAKER THAT'S FOR CITY COUNCIL TO DECIDE, SO THEY CAN TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE THEM MAKE THEIR DECISION ON THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK, UM, FOR ME, WHAT I, TO ME, IT, IT, IT ALWAYS HURTS ME WHEN, I MEAN, PERSONALLY, JUST, I FEEL DISAPPOINTED WHEN I SEE, NOT JUST US, BUT JUST IN GENERAL, WHEN SOMEBODY WHO IS TRYING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A SERVICE, WHATEVER THAT SMALL BUSINESS O IN OWNER IS, AND HIRE, YOU KNOW, LOCAL PEOPLE, UM, AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER, EVEN IF WE DON'T AGREE ON THE PROJECT, UM, THAT WE, THAT I AM PART OF A BODY WHO IS LIKE IMP IMPEDING THAT, AND THAT, THAT, THAT IS REALLY FRUSTRATING.
SO, UM, I HOPE YOU WILL APPEAL AND I HOPE YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE RESOLUTION OR ON THE MOTION? I'M SORRY.
THEN WE WILL VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
MADAM SECRETARY, MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE VOTE MOTION APPROVED.
UH, THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING THIS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
THAT CONCLUDES, UH, OUR DISCUSSION ON THIS PARTICULAR ACTION.
UM, DO WE NEED TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? NO, IT'S FINE.
WE, WE HAVE ONE OTHER PUBLIC HEARING ON, UH, DUTCH BROTHERS.
[4. Determination the Project is Categorically Exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) Under Class 32 of the CEQA Guidelines Section 15332 (In-Fill Development Projects) and Conditional Use Permit for a Drive-Through Coffee Shop (Dutch Bros Coffee) to be located at 1838 Sweetwater Road Case File No.: 2025-29 CUP APN: 563-231-31-00 & 563-231-32-00. ]
FOUR.UH, ITEM FOUR IS A PUBLIC HEARING DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT CQA UNDER CLASS 32 OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 32 INFILL PROJECTS AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DRIVE THROUGH COFFEE SHOP DUTCH BROTHERS COFFEE TO BE LOCATED AT 1838 SWEETWATER ROAD.
I HEREBY CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ORDER.
BEFORE WE BEGIN, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES RELATING TO THIS HEARING? UH, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO, UH, COMMISSIONER GOGI.
I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, AND I DROVE BY ON SUNDAY, A AGAIN, CHECKED IT MYSELF.
YEAH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE, IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.
I'M ALSO FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, AND I ALSO WENT IN AND I DROVE BY THERE.
UH, I, I REITERATE, I KNOW THE AREA VERY WELL WHEN I ATE AT DENNY'S THE OTHER DAY.
UH, UH, COMMISSIONER ARMA ES
SHE'S ARM, SHE'S ARMA, YOU'RE ES YOU'RE ARM.
I ALSO KNOW THE AREA, SO YEAH, I'VE BEEN THERE.
AND, UH, IN FULL DISCLOSURE, UH, I GO TO LA FITNESS, I GO TO TEXAS ROADHOUSE, I GO TO DENNY'S, I GO TO L AND L.
UH, I GO TO THE CVS IS THE CVS THAT'S CLOSEST TO MY HOME.
I GO TO, TO, UM, COSTA DE ORO AT THE OTHER END THERE.
SO, UM, MADAM SECRETARY OF THE NOTICES AS REQUIRED BY LAW BEEN GIVEN.
AND DO WE HAVE THE COMPLETE FILE OF EXISTENCE, CORRESPONDENCE AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YES, CHAIR.
STAFF, WILL YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM FOR US? SORRY.
CHAIR COMMISSIONERS THE PUBLIC.
TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PROCUREMENT FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH COFFEE SHOP.
DUTCH BRO COFFEE TO BE LOCATED AT 1838 SWEETWATER ROAD.
HERE IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE SITE.
SO TO THE NORTH IS SWEETWATER ROAD.
THIS IS THE SWEETWATER CROSSINGS PLAZA, AND THE PROJECT SITE IS THE
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AREA HIGHLIGHTED MARIN.SO THE PROPOSED DRIVE THROUGH IS TO BE LOCATED AT 1838 SWEETWATER ROAD, WHICH IS LOCATED IN OUR MXD TWO ZONE.
IT'S ABOUT A HALF ACRE PARCEL LOCATED WITHIN THE SWEETWATER CROSSING SHOPPING CENTER.
AND IT WILL BE REPLACING THE VACANT PIZZA HUT BUILDING.
THIS AREA IS PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL.
UM, THERE'S THE SUBWAY BOBA TIME, OTHER RESTAURANTS LOCATED TO THE NORTH OF THE PROJECT SITE ACROSS SWEETWATER ROAD IS THE SWEETWATER PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER AND SOME RESIDENCES, TEXAS ROADHOUSE AND DENNY'S IS LOCATED TO THE EAST.
LA FITNESS IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH.
AND THEN THE REST OF THE SHOPPING CENTER IS LOCATED TO THE WEST.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS, IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH, YOU CAN SEE LA FITNESS IN THE BACKGROUND THERE.
AND THE BOTTOM PHOTO IS FROM THE EAST AND THEN HERE IS FROM THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN JUST A COUPLE MORE PICTURES OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 950 SQUARE FOOT DRIVE THROUGH COFFEE SHOP DUTCH BROS COFFEE.
IT'LL HAVE DUAL DRIVE THROUGH LANES WITH QUEUING FOR UP TO 26 VEHICLES.
DUTCH BROS USES PERSON TO PERSON ORDERING.
THEY WILL HAVE AN EXIT LANE, SO INDIVIDUALS WHO GET THEIR DRINK CAN USE THAT TO LEAVE THE LANE AND FREE UP QUEUING SPACE.
THERE WILL ALSO BE A WALK UP WINDOW.
THERE ARE THREE PARKING SPACES PROVIDED ON SITE.
THE DRIVE THROUGH WILL BE PRIMARILY ACCESSED FROM SWEETWATER ROAD.
THE BUSINESS IS PROPOSING TO OPERATE FROM 5:00 AM TO 12:00 AM DAILY.
AND THE NEW BUSINESS WOULD EMPLOY BETWEEN EIGHT AND 10 PEOPLE.
SO THE DRIVE THROUGH WOULD GO IN A COUNTERCLOCKWISE DIRECTION.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE ARROWS DIRECT.
THE FLOW OF THE DRIVE THROUGH THE PURPLE ARROW POINTS TO THE THREE PARKING SPACES.
SO TWO REGULAR ONE A DA, UM, AND THEN THE GREEN HIGHLIGHTED AREA IS THAT EXIT LANE.
SO THAT'S WHERE TRAFFIC WOULD MERGE OR SOMEONE WOULD LEAVE IF THEY ALREADY GOT THEIR DRINKS.
AND THEN THE AREA HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE IS THE ACTUAL BUILDING.
AND THEN LOCATED SOUTH OF THAT IS THE WALK-UP WINDOW.
AND THEN HERE'S JUST ANOTHER PICTURE TO KIND OF SHOW WHAT THE CARS WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THERE AND THE LANDSCAPING, SORRY, IT'S A LITTLE BLURRY.
AND THEN HERE IS, UH, JUST MORE OVERVIEW OF THE SITE.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE ANTICIPATED FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND CIRCULATION.
THEY WOULD ENTER FROM THE SIGNALIZE SWEETWATER CROSSINGS INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE, ENTER THE SITE, GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH, AND THEN THEY CAN LEAVE OUT THE SAME WAY, OR THEY CAN USE THE RIGHT OUT, WHICH IS FARTHER TO THE EAST.
SO MOVING ON TO STAFF'S ANALYSIS, THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, SPECIFICALLY POLICIES RELATED TO FAST FOOD.
R CODE KIND OF LUMPS FAST FOOD FACILITIES AND DRIVE THROUGHS TOGETHER.
UM, SO POLICY HEJ 4.2 ENCOURAGES THE DEVELOPMENT OF HEALTHY FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS IN AREAS WITH A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF FAST FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS, CONVENIENCE ZONES, AND LIQUOR STORES.
TECHNICALLY, A COFFEE SHOP IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH LANE.
UM, ADDITIONALLY IT'S CONSISTENT WITH GENERAL PLAN POLICY HEJ 5.4, WHICH DISCOURAGES UNHEALTHY FAST FOOD OUTLETS FROM LOCATING NEAR SCHOOLS.
IT'S LOCATED OVER HALF A MILE FROM THE CLOSEST SCHOOL, WHICH IS SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL.
THE PROPOSALS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH OUR LAND USE CODE.
A COFFEE SHOP WITH A DRIVE THROUGH IS A CONDITIONALLY ALLOWED USE IN THE MXD TWO ZONE.
IT'LL ALSO BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR SITE PLANNING STANDARDS FOR DRIVE-THROUGHS, WHICH HAS REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS MINIMUM QUEUING DISTANCES, INTERIOR TURNING RADIUS, LOCATION OF DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW AND LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS.
SO THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE FOR THIS TO DETERMINE THE MINIMUM QUEUING DISTANCE.
THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS USED OTHER DUTCH BRO COFFEE LOCATIONS IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
THEY FOUND THAT THERE'S AN AVERAGE MAXIMUM QUEUING OF 17.25 AND IT'S NOT EXPECTED TO EXCEED THAT.
SO THE PROPOSED DRIVE THROUGH HAS SPACE FOR 26 VEHICLES TO QUEUE BEFORE IMPACTING THE SHOPPING CENTER CIRCULATION.
SO WHILE BE WELL WITHIN THE MAXIMUM, THE AVERAGE MAXIMUM QUEUING, UM, THEY ALSO
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IMPLEMENT PERSON TO PERSON ORDERING AND AN EXIT LANE, WHICH HELPS REDUCE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES IN QUEUE.THERE'S ALSO A MINIMUM INTERIOR TURNING RADIUS REQUIREMENT OF 25 FEET.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED AN INTERIOR TURN RADII OF 20 FEET.
THIS WAS APPROVED BY OUR CITY ENGINEER.
THERE'S ALSO REQUIREMENTS FOR WHERE THE DRIVE THROUGH LOCATION OR DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW, THE LOCATION OF THE DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW.
UM, IF IT'S FACING THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE CODE REQUIRES A 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER WITH TREES AND SHRUBS.
HOWEVER, THIS DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW IS GONNA BE FACING OUT TOWARDS THE TEXAS ROADHOUSE.
UM, SO IT'S IN THE SHOPPING CENTER, SO NOT FACING THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THERE IS ALSO A LANDSCAPE BUFFER PROVIDED ANYWAYS.
THE DRIVE THROUGH WILL ALSO BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH OUR DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.
DESIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT ARE LIMITED.
UM, THIS LIMITED TO THE BUILDING ITSELF PRIMARILY SUCH AS ARCHITECTURAL VARIATION, SETBACKS, HEIGHT, ET CETERA, WHICH IT'S MEETING.
UM, THE REQUEST IS FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH PRIMARILY, AND THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING IS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE.
SO IT COULD BE CHANGED DURING BUILDING PERMITS, BUT IT SHOULD STAY RELATIVELY SAME.
UM, THERE'S ALSO CONDITIONS RELATED TO DESIGN SITE IMPROVEMENT AND LANDSCAPING.
AND AGAIN, THE PROJECT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT WITHOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WAS DONE FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, THE PROJECT IS EXPECTED TO GENERATE APPROXIMATELY SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY SIX, SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY SIX WEEKDAY AND 544 WEEKEND NET NEW DAILY TRIPS.
APPROXIMATELY HALF THE TRIPS ANTICIPATED ARE PASS BY TRIPS.
A PASS BY TRIP IS A TRIP WHERE AN INTERMEDIATE STOP IS MADE ON THE WAY FROM THE ORIGIN TO THE PRIMARY DESTINATION OF THE TRIP WITHOUT MAKING A ROUTE DIVERSION.
UM, THE PROJECT WAS ALSO ANALYZED FOR PROJECT RELATED, OH, PROJECT RELATED TRAFFIC WOULD NOT RESULT IN THE NEED FOR ANY STREET SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS SPECIFICALLY ON THE INTERSECTION OF SWEETWATER ROAD AND PROSPECT STREET.
ADDITIONALLY, THE TRAFFIC STUDY INCLUDED A VMT ANALYSIS AND THE PROJECT SCREENED OUT OF CQA.
THERE'S ALSO NOISE CONSIDERATIONS FOR DRIVE-THROUGHS.
UH, TYPICAL CONCERNS FOR NOISE FOR DRIVE-THROUGH BUSINESSES IS ORDERING SPEAKERS AND OPERATING HOURS.
AGAIN, DUTCH ROWS DOESN'T USE ORDERING SPEAKERS.
THEY USE PERSON TO PERSON, SO AN INDIVIDUAL'S TALKING TO SOMEONE RIGHT AT THEIR WINDOW, SO THERE'S NO LOUD SPEAKERS, UM, WHICH HELPS REDUCE NOISE.
AND THEN THEY'RE PROPOSING TO OPERATE FROM 5:00 AM TO 12:00 AM WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THE NEARBY DRIVE THROUGH BUSINESSES.
THIS PROJECT WAS REVIEWED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
IT WAS DETERMINED TO BE EXEMPT FROM CQA UNDER CLASS 32 IN FIELD DEVELOPMENT FOR CONDITIONS.
WE INCLUDED BUILDING AND FIRE CODE COMMENTS, AS WELL AS ENGINEERING COMMENTS.
WE INCLUDED DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND USE CODE AND REQUIRED A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
IN SUMMARY, THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND WITH THE LAND USE CODE.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH ALL APPLICABLE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AND MEETS APPLICABLE SITE PLANNING STANDARDS FOR DRIVE THROUGHS.
THE OPTIONS TONIGHT ARE FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CQA AND APPROVE 20 25 29 CUP BASED ON THE FINDINGS LISTED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION OR FINDS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION, OR FIND THE PROJECT NON EXEMPT FROM CQA AND OR DENY THE CUP BASED ON THE FINDINGS LISTED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION OR DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL IF APPROVED.
IT WILL GO AS A NOTICE OF DECISION TO CITY COUNCIL.
THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATIONS IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, MADAM SECRETARY, DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ON ZOOM OR BY PHONE? WE DO CHAIR.
SO I INVITE THE APPLICANT TO, UH, MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION TO THE CITY COUN OR TO THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
HI, MY NAME IS, UH, JOHN CAGLEY.
I'M JUDGE PROS REPRESENTATIVE.
I COVER THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA MARKET.
UM, I WANNA JUST SAY THANK YOU TO, UH, SOPHIE TO MAKE THAT PRESENTATION.
THIS WILL BE OUR SECOND STORE IN THIS CITY.
UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE LO UH, LOCATION UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON PLAZA BOULEVARD, IF YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE THAT IS.
AND WE'RE JUST HAPPY TO BE HERE AND, UH, BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
UH, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN, PLEASE? SURE.
COULD YOU SPELL THAT PLEASE? SURE.
IT'S, UH, CHARLIE ALPHA, GEORGE LIMA, INDIA ALPHA.
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YOU MR. CLIA.UH, WE WILL NOW HEAR LIVE FROM ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.
NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS? NO, NO LETTERS.
NOBODY ON ZOOM, CORRECT? NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UM, STAFF, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? NO COMMENTS.
DOES THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE.
UM, DO WE KNOW WHEN THE OTHER, UH, IS THIS FOR, UH, STAFF? IT COULD BE STAFF OR THE APPLICANT WHEN THE OTHER DUTCH BROS ON PLAZA IS SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETION? UH, BASED ON MY CURRENT CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A JANUARY OF 26 OPENING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM, YEAH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE.
WHEN, WHEN DO YOU PROJECT THAT THIS ONE WOULD BE, UM, UH, STARTING CONSTRUCTION AND, AND THE OPENING OF, OF THIS ONE TO ALLEVIATE, IF THERE WAS SOME CONGESTION ON PLAZA, WHEN WOULD THIS ONE BE ABLE TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT CONGESTION? SO BASED ON CITY STAFF, UH, DATES THEY PROVIDED US AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT, I BELIEVE AFTER THIS APPROVAL, THERE'S A 30 DAY APPEAL PERIOD.
AND AFTER THAT, STAFF WILL GIVE US, UH, THE WRITTEN CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, WHICH WOULD THEN ALLOW US TO SUBMIT OUR CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS TO THE CITY.
UM, BASED ON THE TIMELINES, I'M BEING TOLD ANYWHERE FROM SIX TO NINE MONTHS FOR CITY STAFF TO PROVE MY CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, UH, TO ISSUE A PERMIT.
AND THEN MY CONSTRUCTION TIMELINES ANYWHERE BETWEEN 120 AND 150 DAYS ON THAT.
SO MY GUESS IS THIS PROJECT WOULD PROBABLY OPEN, UH, IN THE, IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR, IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE APPROVED, WHEN, WHEN DID WE APPROVE THE, UH, THIS IS FOR STAFF? WHEN DID WE APPROVE THE, UH, THE OTHER DUTCH BROS THAT WAS ON, UM, PLAZA? 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S BEEN AT LEAST A FEW YEARS, RIGHT? IT WAS IN 2023.
SO I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A TIMELINE.
SO I WAS TRYING TO SEE, THANK YOU.
WE, WE TRY TO GO AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE HURDLES FOR, YOU KNOW, THE CITY STAFF AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO WE'LL BUILD AS FAST AS WE CAN.
BUT I'M LOOKING, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW AND BASED ON THE, HOW LONG IT TOOK TO GET APPROVALS FOR THE OTHER STORE, YOU KNOW, BEST CASE WOULD BE FOURTH QUARTER OF NEXT YEAR.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? THANK YOU, MR. CAGLEY.
HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO IT WOULD ONLY BE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND FROM ES? OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GOGI AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ES TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, COMMISSIONER GOGI HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.
UM, ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO.
WE WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, LET'S GO AND REDO THE VOTE REALLY QUICK.
UH, COMMISSIONER KIONE, JUST MAKE SURE YOU PRESS ON YOUR FOR A SECOND.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE VOTE.
BE UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONERS.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES? IS THERE A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION THAT WOULD LIKE TO BRING A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION? WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER QUINONES TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2025 DASH 16, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY CALIFORNIA, DETERMINING THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, SE A UNDER CLASS 32 OF THE SE A GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 32 INFIELD DEVELOPMENT AND
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APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH COFFEE SHOP DUTCH BROS.COFFEE TO BE LOCATED AT 1838 SWEETWATER ROAD.
CASE FILE NUMBER 2025 DASH 29 CUPA PM 5 63 DASH 2 3 1 DASH 31 0 AND 5 6 3 DASH 23 1 DASH 3 2 0.
BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, VICE CHAIR CASTLE HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.
WE WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE VOTE MOTION TO APPROVE THE ANONYMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
UM, THAT WILL CONCLUDE OUR DISCUSSION ON THIS.
UH, MR. CLIA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PHONING IN TO THIS MEETING TONIGHT.
I GUESS HE'S NOT THERE ANYMORE.
[5. Adoption of 2026 Meeting Dates]
ON, UH, TO ITEM FIVE, ADOPTION OF THE 2026 MEETING DATES.ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MEETING DATES FOR NEXT YEAR, 2026? IF THERE IS NO, UH, DISCUSSION, THEN I NEED A MOTION TO, UH, ADOPT THE 2026 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
AND I NEED A SECOND TO PLEASE.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER QUINONES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARMENTA TO APPROVE THE, UM, SCHEDULED MEETINGS OF THE PLANNING, THE NATIONAL CITY PLANNING COMMISSION FOR 2026.
THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
[STAFF REPORTS]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO STAFF REPORTS.ACTING DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, NO REPORT OTHER THAN TO SAY I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THE CALIFORNIA STATE PLANNING CONFERENCE IN MONTEREY LAST MONTH.
DID MEET A FEW PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FROM, UH, OTHER AREAS.
AND, UH, FROM EVERYTHING THAT I ATTENDED, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT.
UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK STAFF FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK ON EVERYTHING, AND WE DO APPRECIATE YOU.
I KNOW WE BOMBARD YOU WITH A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS AND, AND ALL OF OUR LITTLE THINGS THAT GO ON OUR HEAD.
AND I, I JUST APPRECIATE YOU GUYS FOR REALLY TAKING THE TIME AND THE EFFORT TO, UM, THOROUGHLY EXPLAIN AND HELP US UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AS PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
UM, I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO REQUEST, I KNOW THERE IS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER ACADEMY THAT WILL BE COMING UP AT THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR.
UM, LAST YEAR THEY ACTUALLY STARTED TO OPEN THAT UP AROUND NOVEMBER, DECEMBER.
THEY ANNOUNCED THE DATES FOR THAT AND THEY OPENED UP THE HOTEL BLOCKS FOR THAT.
I WOULD REQUEST THAT THOSE ARE GIVEN OUT TO PLANNING COMMISSIONERS THAT COULD ATTEND.
UM, AND IF THERE IS SOME, SOME SORT OF FUNDING, UM, FOR THAT, THAT THAT WAS GIVEN OUT SOONER THAN LATER BECAUSE IT GIVES COMMISSIONERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THOSE BLOCKS AT A CHEAPER PRICE AND SAVE THE CITY SOME MONEY AND START PLANNING IN, IN ACCORDANCE TO, TO GET THOSE.
UM, NUMBER TWO, UM, I DID WANNA SAY, UM, TO COMMISSIONER, UM, VENEZUELA VALENZUELA, UM, THAT I, I TOTALLY RESPECT HER COMMENT ON, ON WHAT SHE, WHAT SHE HAD, UM, MENTIONED.
AND I, I DO FEEL THAT WE ARE VERY PRO BUSINESS.
UM, HOWEVER, WE ALSO NEED TO BE PRO COMMUNITY AND THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF BALANCE, UM, IN, IN IN BETWEEN THAT.
AND, UM, I WILL DEFINITELY MAKE A BETTER EFFORT IN LOOKING AT LAND USE DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, GOING WITH, UH, TO, TO HELP OUT BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE FUTURE, UM, TO BETTER, BETTER UNDERSTAND AND JUST NOT, YOU KNOW, MAKE, MAKE, MAKE ANY KIND OF, UM, HARSH JUDGEMENTS TOWARDS, TOWARDS BUSINESS OWNERS.
VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.
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IS, UM, FOR WORK, I WAS ABSENT LAST MONTH.UM, WE WERE, MY COMPANY HOSTS A, UM, EXPERIENTIAL FIELD STUDY ON SOCIAL HOUSING IN VIENNA.
UM, IT'S, I'D NEVER BEEN BEFORE.
IT'S QUITE FASCINATING WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN VIENNA.
UM, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND MR. READER.
UM, IT AT SOME POINT, I KNOW IT'S NOT, I MEAN, AGAIN, THIS IS SEPARATE AND APART FROM WHAT I DO, BUT THE CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND NOT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LOW INCOME HOUSING.
I'M TALKING ABOUT MIDDLE INCOME HOUSING, LIKE HOUSING FOR ALL THAT WHOLE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT THEY'RE DOING IN CERTAIN COUNTRIES.
SINGAPORE, VIENNA WAS VERY FASCINATING AND FOR, UM, UH, ANGELITA AND YOURSELF AND OTHERS WHO WORK IN THAT SPACE, UM, OBVIOUSLY I DON'T THINK WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN A COUNTRY'S BEEN DOING SOCIAL HOUSING FOR 50 TO A HUNDRED YEARS.
LIKE YOU CAN JUST BRING IT TO CALIFORNIA.
BUT THERE IS A MOVEMENT, UH, TO SEE WHAT COMPONENTS, WHETHER IT BE FINANCING, AND IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING SO MUCH.
NOT TO SAY WE DON'T NEED IT, BUT THERE'S SO MUCH, UM, IN STATE LAW THAT ALREADY SUPPORTS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF INCENTIVES, BUT IT'S THAT MIDDLE INCOME, UM, THAT'S REALLY KIND OF THE MISSING LINK FOR PEOPLE TO KEEP PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA WORKING, UH, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT TO KEEP, UM, EMPLOYERS BEING ABLE TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO TEACHERS.
AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, UH, SAN DIEGO UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT, SAN DIEGO COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT ARE USING THEIR PUBLIC LANDS TO BUILD HOUSING FOR THEIR TEACHERS AND THEIR STUDENTS.
UM, WHICH IS QUITE FASCINATING.
AND SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY I, I JUST, I, I, I, ME AS AN EMPLOYEE, LIKE KNOWING THAT MY COMPANY HAD BEEN DOING THAT, I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT.
BUT HEARING FROM THE, UM, FOLKS IN AUSTRIA, UM, THERE MAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE BRINGING THEM HERE, WHATEVER, BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS VERY INTERESTING FOR OUR CITY, UM, BECAUSE I FEEL THAT, UM, WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN, UH, NATIONAL CITY HAS ALWAYS HAD, YOU KNOW, HIGH DENSITY WHEN IT COMES TO APARTMENTS AND ALL OF THAT.
AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE MODELS OR SOME OF THOSE FINANCING AS, UM, LEGISLATION OR ANYTHING STARTS COMING ACROSS THE STATE MIGHT BE REALLY FASCINATING FOR, TO KEEP OUR PEOPLE LIVING HERE, OUR CHILDREN, UM, OUR GRANDCHILDREN, BEING ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE IN NOT ONLY SAN DIEGO COUNTY, BUT IN OUR CITY AND IN IN CALIFORNIA.
AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER THING THAT, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE IS THAT, UM, MAYBE THIS IS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
I THINK, UM, I KNOW THAT YOU GIVE US REALLY GREAT TRAINING ABOUT WHAT OUR ROLES ARE, AND WE GO THROUGH TRAINING ABOUT GENERAL, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL PLAN AND LAND USE AND WHAT WE'RE TASKED WITH DOING.
AND THAT SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE REMINDED WHEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE VOTING ON SOMETHING AND, AND WHAT THE IMPACTS MIGHT HAVE ON, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY JUST ON WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, TODAY WE HAD TWO DISTINCT PROJECTS.
WHO THAT HAD, UM, ONE HAD A TRAFFIC STUDY BECAUSE THERE WAS A NEXUS AND THE OTHER DIDN'T HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY 'CAUSE THERE WAS NO NEXUS.
HOWEVER, THERE'S A TRAFFIC ISSUE.
SO I THINK SOME OF THOSE, LIKE, UM, COMPONENTS, SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE REMINDED OF WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR ACTUAL TASK IS.
UM, I MIGHT BE INTERESTED IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA HIRE LOCAL, BUT IT REALLY ISN'T OUR TASK HERE.
IT REALLY, THAT'S UP TO THE MAYOR AND THOSE FOLKS IF THEY WANNA, YOU KNOW, PUSH THAT AGENDA.
AND SO I WANNA JUST BE EFFECTIVE WITH, I MEAN, EFFICIENT WITH YOUR TIME AND SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE COMING NOT ONLY FROM A COMMUNITY STANDPOINT TO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS, BUT ALSO FROM A, UM, SOMEBODY WHO'S, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IMPACTING THEIR, THEIR LIVELIHOOD, UH, OR THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR ABILITY TO GET FINANCING OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE.
I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW A BETTER WAY TO LIKE, HAVE THAT REMINDER OF WHAT WE'RE TASKED AS A COMMISSION TO DO NOT.
'CAUSE AGAIN, I'M NOT, I WASN'T ELECTED AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, SO I, I WOULD LIKE THAT TO REMIND US MAYBE WHAT OUR TRAINING SCHEDULE'S LIKE, OR THE BEST WAY TO GET THOSE REMINDERS TO US AS A COMMISSION SO THAT WE ARE FOCUSED ON WHAT WE'RE ASKING AND, AND WHAT OUR, WHAT WE'RE TASKED TO DO FOR EACH LIKE PROJECT.
UM, YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO PUT TOGETHER ANOTHER TRAINING.
UM, I KNOW WE DID ONE EARLIER IN THE YEAR ON CQA.
UM, I COULD PUT ONE TOGETHER THAT KIND OF WALKS THROUGH HOW CONDITIONS ARE MADE, THE PROPORTIONALITY AND THE NEXUS REQUIREMENTS TO KIND OF EXPLAIN HOW THINGS ARE DECIDED AND WHAT WE CAN CONDITION PROJECTS IS KIND OF A REMINDER AND OF HOW THAT WORKS.
I CAN DEFINITELY PUT THAT TOGETHER, UM, AS A TRAINING COMING UP.
UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY MORE MEETINGS WE HAVE THIS YEAR, BUT DEFINITELY IN THE NEW YEAR FOR SURE.
EVEN IF IT'S JUST A, LIKE A REFRESHER AT THE BEGINNING OF A MEETING.
ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE LIKE, THESE WERE REALLY SIMPLE PROJECTS AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE TIMES WHERE WE HAVE MUCH MORE COMPLICATED PROJECTS WITH A LOT MORE, LIKE I, OBVIOUSLY I WASN'T HERE LAST MONTH, BUT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF OPPOSITION AND, UH, TO SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
NOT ONLY REMINDERS FOR US, BUT REMINDERS TO THE COMMUNITY OF WHAT IT IS.
WE CAN ACTUALLY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT PARTS WE CAN INFLUENCE AND WHAT PARTS THEY NEED TO BE KNOCKING ON THEIR COUNCIL MEMBER'S DOOR OR THE MAYOR'S DOOR TO BE ASKING THEM TO THINK ABOUT THOSE PUBLIC POLICY QUESTIONS THAT
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ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW.AND MAYBE IF THIS IS HELPFUL, I CAN WORK WITH SARAH.
MAYBE WE CAN PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT IN YOUR BINDER.
UM, NOT LIKE A CHEAT SHEET, BUT KIND OF LIKE A SHEET THAT YOU CAN REFER TO THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN YOUR BINDERS.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT COULD BE HELPFUL FOR YOU.
COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ IS ABSENT.
UH, I WANNA PIGGYBACK A LITTLE BIT ON THE, UM, ON VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND COMMISSIONER OF VALENZUELA.
FIRST, UH, THANK YOU, YOU KNOW, UM, FOR, UH, ANSWERING ALL OUR QUESTIONS.
BUT, UH, I DO, UH, APPRECIATE THE DIVERSITY WE DO HAVE HERE ON THE, UM, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, SO, AND I APPRECIATE WHEN THE, THE COMMUNITY COMES AND, UH, VOICES THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, WE DO ALL, UM, I DON'T KNOW, I MAYBE THE WAY I UNDERSTAND SOME THINGS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN OTHER PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.
SO SOMETIMES THAT'S WHERE, UH, SOME OF MY REASONING COMES BEHIND.
BUT, UM, I DO FEEL LIKE, UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE MENTIONED THAT WE ARE, UH, HERE ALSO TO, UH, ASIDE FROM ALL THE POLICIES, UH, LISTEN TO OUR COMMUNITY 'CAUSE WE ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
UM, THE WHOLE TRAFFIC THING, I'M STILL A LITTLE STUCK ON THAT AND I PROBABLY WOULD APPRECIATE SOME TRAINING ON THAT.
I DIDN'T, UH, UNDERSTAND ON THE WHOLE DUTCH BROTHERS, UM, TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WITH THEM THAT, UH, THEY WERE PULLED OUT OF NORCO, OUT OF, YOU KNOW, SAN BERNARD BERNARDINO.
AND I'M TRYING TO THINK LIKE, IS NORCO THE SAME CITY SIZE AS NATIONAL CITY, YOU KNOW, THESE OTHER PLACES? SO IF THEY, THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THE COFFEE SHOP, YOU KNOW, WHY COULDN'T SOMETHING LIKE THAT BE PULLED, YOU KNOW, UH, FROM OTHER, UH, RECYCLING CENTERS.
BUT, UH, I THINK THAT IN TRAINING AND PROBABLY FURTHER UNDERSTANDING ON THAT, I'D BE, UH, NOT ASK SO MANY QUESTIONS DURING CERTAIN PROJECTS, I GUESS, YOU KNOW? SO I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
AND THEN, UH, JUST ON THE MORE, UH, COMMUNITY LEVEL, UH, JUST I DO WANNA PUT THE WORD OUT.
UM, ANYBODY WATCHING OR LISTENING OR
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE HALLOWEEN COMING UP.
SO, UH, WANNA GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO NATIONAL CITY HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
THE KIM KIMBALL HOUSE WILL BE OPEN AND WE WILL BE, UH, PASSING OUT CANDY AND HOT DOGS FOR THE KIDS.
UH, COMMISSIONER MENTO, WHAT TIME IS THAT LUNCHEON? THE LUNCHEON IS FROM 10 30 TO 1:00 PM THANK YOU.
UM, FIRST I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO, UH, STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND, UM, GOING BACK ON THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE HERE TODAY.
I AM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA ON OUR ROLE, BUT THEN I ALSO FEEL THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY.
IF WE DIDN'T, WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO LISTEN TO THEM, THEN WHAT? THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE.
WE WOULDN'T BE LISTENING TO HOW THEY FEEL AND HOW IT AFFECTS THEM.
BECAUSE I THINK THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE ARE VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE COMMUNITY.
SO I, I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU, BUT I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S A LOT, IT'S REAL IMPORTANT FOR US TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE PUT IN THEIR BACKYARD.
AND THEN I WANNA WELCOME COMMISSIONER GOJI, GOGI GOGI, GOGI, GOGI.
THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA LOVE THIS,
UM, BEING MY FIRST TIME I DO KNEE TRAINING, SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD THAT TO THAT.
UM, BUT ON THE RECYCLE, WE ALSO, I AGREE THAT WE NEED MORE RECYCLING HERE IN NATIONAL CITY.
UM, LOCATION IS VERY IMPORTANT.
SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
UM, AND SO I JUST, TOP OF MY HEAD, I CAN COME UP WITH TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THAT ARE IN INDUSTRIAL AREAS, BUT ALSO ACCESSIBLE, WHEREAS NOT IN AN AREA THAT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO OUR RESIDENTS OR OTHER BUSINESSES.
UM, SO I'M, I'M HOPING THEY WILL EXPLORE THAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU NEVER WANT TO SHUT DOWN ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO BRING A BUSINESS TO NATIONAL CITY.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S, UH, BENEFICIAL TO EVERYBODY INVOLVED.
AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP AND
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WELCOME ME ON AND LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.AND, AND I WANT TO EXTEND MY WELCOME TO YOU AS WELL.
UM, PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT'S BEEN SAID BY A NUMBER OF THE COMMISSIONERS HERE.
UM, THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE TO USE THE OLD PHRASE.
UM, THIS IS THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEVEL THAT WE'VE SET UP HERE.
I SPENT A YEAR AND A HALF IN IRAQ AND A YEAR IN AFGHANISTAN TRYING TO TEACH THESE PROCESSES TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS THERE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE THAT THEY DIDN'T PICK UP ON THIS, BUT THIS IS HOW WE DO IT HERE.
AND, UH, IT KEEPS US FROM SHOOTING AT EACH OTHER AND TRYING TO KILL EACH OTHER, WHICH DOES HAPPEN OVER THERE IN THOSE COUNTRIES BECAUSE OF H WALLY AND CLAN RIVALRIES AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF.
SO, UH, THIS IS HOW WE IMPART, KEEP THE PEACE IN A SOCIETY LIKE OURS.
UH, IT'S A VERY BIG DEAL TO ME BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCES THAT I'VE SEEN IN, UH, UH, HAD IN WHAT I'VE HAVE SEEN IN OTHER COUNTRIES THAT DO NOT HAVE DEMOCRACY LIKE WE HAVE.
SO THIS IS, UM, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT HOW WE DO THIS HERE IN A CIVIL MANNER.
UH, HAVING SAID THAT, UM, BEFORE COMMISSIONER GOGI WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ALL THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WENT THROUGH A LEVEL OF SAFETY TRAINING.
AND I WOULD LIKE FOR STAFF TO ARRANGE THAT, PLEASE, FOR COMMISSIONER GOGI.
UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT OVERLY COMPLICATED.
IT'S NOT TO SCARE YOU, BUT GIVEN THE AGE THAT WE LIVE IN, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT DO WE DO IF THERE IS AN ACTIVE SHOOTER, WHAT DO WE DO IF THERE'S AN EARTHQUAKE? WHAT DO WE DO IF THERE'S A FIRE? AND THAT'S SORT OF THE GIST OF IT.
IT'S SORT OF LIKE WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE GOES ON IN, IN THE SCHOOLS WHERE THEY HAVE, UM, UH, PRACTICES, EARTHQUAKE PRACTICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IF STAFF COULD ACTUALLY GO AHEAD AND DO THAT AND ARRANGE THAT, THAT TRAINING WITH COMMISSIONER GOGI, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
UM, BEYOND THAT, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS HEREBY ADJOURNED UNTIL THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF NOVEMBER 3RD, 2025 AT 6:00 PM THE TIME IS 8:17 PM I.