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OF OUR CELL PHONES.ANY OTHER DEVICES HERE IN THE CHAMBER WITH THAT CALL?
[1. CALL TO ORDER]
THE MEETING TO ORDER, UH, A LIVE WEBCAST OF THE MEETING MAY BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IF YOU'RE WATCHING VIA, UH, ZOOM.LET'S SEE THAT ONE WE'VE ALREADY DONE.
UH, THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY'S WEBSITE INFORMS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS, EITHER IN PERSON, IN THE, UH, COUNCIL CHAMBER BY SUBMITTING ONE OF THESE SALMON COLORED SLIPS, AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE AT THE BACK AND GET THOSE OVER IMMEDIATELY TO OUR, UH, CLERK'S DESK VIA ZOOM BY PRE-REGISTERING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, NO LATER THAN TWO HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING, AND BY EMAILING NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING.
AND ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY WEBSITE IF RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE.
WITH THAT, CAN WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? THANK YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA PRESENT, VICE MAYOR BUSH.
CAN WE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEASURE OF ALLEGIANCE? REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION, AND, UH, REMEMBER YOUR MONEY.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS NATION UNDER GOD IN WOULD LIBERTY GIVE AND JUSTICE FOR ALL HE IS ALBERT IN HERE, OR IS HE RIGHT THERE? YES, PLEASE.
HAVE TO GO OVER TO THAT ONE IN A MINUTE.
I REPRESENT THE NATIONAL CITY CLERGY ASSOCIATION.
IS THE TRANSLATOR GONNA TRANSLATE THE PRAYER? UH, THEY DO TH THOSE THAT HAVE HEADSETS OR WHATEVER.
WE ALSO SLOWLY THEN, IF EVERYBODY WOULD JUST BOW YOUR HEARTS WITH ME.
GRACIOUS AND ALMIGHTY GOD, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS DAY WITH THANKFUL HEARTS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.
GRACIOUS WISDOM TO MAKE FAIR AND THOUGHTFUL DECISIONS, UNDERSTANDING TO LISTEN WITH RESPECT AND COMPASSION, AND COURAGE TO ACT WITH INTEGRITY AND JUSTICE.
BLESS THE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL, OUR CITY STAFF, AND ALL WHO CALL THIS COMMUNITY HOME ME.
OUR EFFORTS TODAY STRENGTHEN UNITY, PROMOTE PEACE, AND SEEK THE COMMON GOOD.
GUIDE OUR WORDS AND ACTIONS SO THAT THEY REFLECT HONESTY, COOPERATION, AND CARE FOR ALL.
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GOING TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.WE WILL DO THOSE IN THE, UH, AUDIENCE FIRST, AND THEN WE WILL TAKE THE THOSE ON ZOOM.
UM, AND WE WILL BE GOING WITH, UH, TWO MINUTES, UH, EACH PERSON.
FIRST WE HAVE, UH, SUSAN MEYER TO BE, UH, FOLLOWED BY LAWRENCE EMERSON TO BE FOLLOWED BY ARNETTE CHRISTIAN.
YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS FOR, UH, GENERAL COMMENTS, AND PLEASE, WHEN YOU COME UP TO MICROPHONE, IF YOU WOULD GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR PLACE OF RESIDENCE.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS SUSAN MEYER, AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO FORMALLY EXPRESS MY INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY SERVICES POSITION HERE IN NATIONAL CITY.
FOR SEVERAL YEARS, I FOCUSED MY EFFORTS AS A NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH AND DISTRICT THREE, WORKING PROACTIVELY TO ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY.
I COLLABORATED WITH THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY AND CALTRAN TO PROMPTLY ADDRESS CRITICAL SAFETY AND SANITATION ISSUES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING ILLEGAL DUMPING, GRAFFITI ABATEMENT, AND BROADER PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS.
I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT MAINTAINING A SAFE AND WELL KEPT ENVIRONMENT IS ESSENTIAL FOR COMMUNITY WELLBEING, AND I TOOK PRIDE IN BEING A CONSISTENT ADVOCATE FOR TIMELY EFFECTIVE SOLUTIONS.
AT ONE POINT, I APPLIED TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A WAY TO DEEPEN MY INVOLVEMENT AND CONTINUE CONTRIBUTING TO THE CITY'S FUTURE.
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DURING THAT TIME, SAFETY CONCERNS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD CONTINUED TO ESCALATE.WE MADE THE DIFFICULT DECISION TO RELOCATE BECAUSE OF GROWING INSECURITY, BUT I NEVER LEFT IN SPIRIT.
MY WORK IN NATIONAL CITY IS NOT FINISHED, AND THAT'S WHY I'M READY TO STEP FORWARD AS YOUR NEW AND NEXT COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR.
AS COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR, I WILL MEET CONSTITUENTS WHERE THEY ARE, WHETHER IT'S ON THEIR FRONT PORCH, AT A COMMUNITY CENTER, OR AT A, DURING A LOCAL EVENT.
I BELIEVE IN BEING ACCESSIBLE, PRESENT, AND RESPONSIVE.
I WILL COLLABORATE EFFECTIVELY WITH EVERY DISTRICT COUNCIL MEMBER AND CONNECT DIRECTLY WITH CONSTITUENTS, MAKING SURE NO VOICE IS OVERLOOKED.
I AM DEEPLY COMMITTED TO SERVING NATIONAL CITY WITH INTEGRITY, DEDICATION, AND A PROFOUND UNDERSTANDING OF ITS COMMUNITY.
AND I AM CONFIDENT THAT MY COLLABORATIVE APPROACH AND PASSION FOR PUBLIC SERVICE HERE IN NATIONAL CITY WILL ENABLE ME TO BE AN EFFECTIVE AND IMPACTFUL COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR.
AND TOGETHER WE CAN BUILD SAFER, STRONGER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE EVERY RESIDENT'S VOICE IS HEARD AND VALUED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE FUTURE OF NATIONAL CITY.
LAUREN EMERSON TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, AR CHRISTIAN LIM, UH, AND THEN, UH, MALIKA, UH, KEL, UH, POLANCO.
GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
UH, MY NAME IS LAWRENCE EMERSON.
I LONG, I'M A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF NATIONAL CITY.
I'M ALSO A COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THE SAN DIEGO COMMUNITY POWER, UH, ORGANIZATION.
AND LAST YEAR THEY HAD A PILOT PROGRAM THAT WAS WENT GANGBUSTERS WITH SOLAR AND ENERGY STORAGE.
IN FACT, IT WAS SO SUCCESSFUL.
ALL OF THE OTHER COMMUNITY CHOICE ENERGY COMPANIES IN CALIFORNIA WERE ASKING, HOW DID YOU DO THAT? SO THIS YEAR IS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT PILOT PROGRAM, AND I HAVE PROVIDED ONE OF THESE, UH, TO THE DE DEPUTY CITY CLERK TO MAKE COPIES FOR ALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
IT WAS A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, HOWEVER, NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS DIDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE WORD GETS OUT TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS.
IT'S CALLED SOLAR BATTERY SAVINGS, AND THERE'S INCENTIVE PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE TO PUT SOLAR AND ENERGY STORAGE.
SO WHEN YOU GET AND MAKE ENERGY FROM THE SOLAR AND PUT IT IN THE BATTERIES, YOU PROVIDE 50 UP TO 50% OF THAT BACK INTO THE GRID DURING THE PEAK TIME.
SO EVERYBODY, IT'S A WIN-WIN SITUATION.
SO I'LL PROBABLY COME BACK AND TALK IN MORE DETAILS TO NOW.
YOU'RE VERY BUSY, BUT THIS IS JUST A HEADS UP AND SHE HAS A COPY TO PROVIDE FOR EVERYBODY.
HUH? CAN WE CONFIRM THAT THE ROOM NEXT DOOR IS OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC? I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS AT THIS STAGE.
WHY YOU AND I ALREADY HAD THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE.
CAN YOU SPEAK ON THIS? BECAUSE I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION, JOSE, WITH THE, OR, UH, WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
SO CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU COMMENT ON THIS? ON THE, ON THE ROOM BEING OPEN AND ISSUE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT.
WE'VE SET UP SOME ADDITIONAL COMBINATIONS OUT IN THE LOBBY, AND IF THAT ROOM GETS PACKED, IT'S HARDER TO GET MORE PEOPLE OUT IN THE EVENT.
THERE'S, THERE'S AN EMERGENCY AND IT'S ALSO VERY NOISY.
UM, THERE'S A LOT TO DISCUSS TONIGHT.
THERE'S A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE DECISION WAS MADE TO KEEP THAT ROOM CLOSED.
AGAIN, WE HAVE EXTRA SPACE IN THE LOBBY TONIGHT, THE WAY WE SET IT UP.
UM, SO THAT'S THE DECISION AT, AT THIS TIME, IS TO KEEP THE, KEEP THE, UH, LARGE ROOM CLOSED.
I VEHEMENTLY DISAGREE WITH THAT.
IT, I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE THAT IN ANY SINGLE MEETING CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.
I THINK IT ACCOMMODATES PEOPLE INSTEAD OF BEING IN THE HALLWAY.
NEXT WE HAVE, UH,
LET'S GO WITH OUR SPEAKERS NOW.
GOOD EVENING TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS AR LIM AND I'M A DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CHULA VISTA, OFFICE OF STATE SENATOR STEVE PADILLA.
I ALSO COVERED THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY FOR THE OFFICE.
WELL, I'M JUST HERE TO SHARE SOME EXCITING DETAILS ABOUT, UM, AN UPCOMING EVENT HERE IN NATIONAL CITY.
SENATOR PADILLAS HOSTING A NATIONAL CITY COFFEE CHAT, COFFEE AND CHAT ON SATURDAY, OCTOBER 18TH FROM 9:00 AM TO 11:00 AM AT THE FRIENDS OF FRIENDS CAFE.
THIS WILL BE AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, FOR OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND FOR CITY COUNCIL TO MEET WITH SENATOR PADILLA, ASKING QUESTIONS, DISCUSS, UM, LOCAL ISSUES IN AN INFORMAL SETTING.
SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING THIS EVENT, PLEASE RSPP, UH, THROUGH OFFICE'S REGISTRATION LINK.
I HAVE A FEW FLYERS IN SOME OF MY CARDS.
I THINK I'M JUST GONNA BE LEAVING IT SOMEWHERE
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HERE.UM, AND WE HAVE A QR CODE AS WELL FOR, UM, EASIER REGISTRATION.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, OR IF NEED FURTHER INFORMATION, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTACT OUR OFFICE, UH, THROUGH HIS WEBSITE OR CALLING US AT 6 1 9 4 0 9 7 6 9 0.
AND YOU SAID IT WAS THE 18TH? 18TH, YES.
NEXT WE HAVE, UH, UH, MIKA BLANCO, FOLLOWED BY LUISA MCCARTHY TO BE FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL GEARY.
OVER THE LAST YEAR, MARTIN REEDER AND OTHERS HAVE MIS BEEN MISREPRESENTING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE PUBLIC, THE HEALTH PUBLIC NUISANCE PROJECT, THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS VESTED INTEREST IN THE LAND USED DESIGNATION.
SO FOR ABOUT A YEAR, UH, YOU'VE BEEN SAYING THAT THE PROPERTY HAS VESTED RIGHTS, UH, IN THAT PROPERTY AS THE NEW ZONING MX D TWO, THE WE HAVE PROVIDED, UH, TO YOUR ARMY OF ATTORNEYS, RON AND BARRY, THE, UH, UH, A CASE, THE LACOSTA CASE, WHICH RULED THAT NO PROPERTY OWNER HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN THE LAND ZONING USED DESIGNATION.
ONLY WHEN THERE IS A COMPLETE TAKING IMMINENT DOMAIN, IS IT CONSIDERED A TAKING.
AND IN THIS CASE, IT IS NOT A TAKING BECAUSE THE PROPERTY CAN STILL BE USED AS RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THIS WAS A HUGE MISTAKE, AND MOST OF YOU KNOW IT, UH, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THE, UH, PROJECT WAS ALLOWED TO EXPIRE BECAUSE THE BRICO AND THE DEVELOPERS THOUGHT THAT THEY HAD THE SUPPORT FROM THE CITY.
ON DECEMBER 5TH, THERE WAS A TEXT FROM THE DEVELOPER THAT SAID, WE ALLOWED IT TO EXPIRE BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE, OUR PROPOSED PROJECT WAS GOING TO REPLACE IT BECAUSE WE PUT SO MUCH WORK AND HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE CITY WHO WAS THE CITY, THE MAYOR, AND HIS ASSISTANT.
SO WE ARE ASKING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND RETURN THESE, UH, FIVE PROPERTIES BACK TO ITS UNDERLYING ZONING.
AND YOU DO HAVE THE POWER AND YOU DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT AS POLICY MAKERS.
AND WE HAVE, UM, LET, UH, MR. FOLEY ATTORNEY FOLEY, UH, WE PROVIDED THAT, UH, TO HIM, SO HE KNOWS.
UH, LOUISA MCCARTHY, FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL GEARY, FOLLOWED BY ALEXANDER GUT.
HERE WE FILED A NEW LAWSUIT DOCUMENTING DIRTY TRICKS FROM MAYOR RON MORRISON AND HIS ASSISTANT.
WE'VE MADE SURE THAT WE'VE MADE IT PUBLIC FOR YOU TO ALL READ HIS DIRTY DEEDS FROM MAYOR AND HIS ASSISTANT.
I REPEAT, HE HAS BEEN CLEARLY RETALIATING AGAINST US FOR EXERCISING OUR RIGHTS UNDER THE PUBLIC RECORDS ACT, OPEN MEETING LAW AND CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION.
THE DIRTY TRICK IS THE FILING OF A FALSE CLAIM ON BEHALF OF HIS ASSISTANT, WHICH IS THREATENING TO SUE THE CITY THAT SHE WORKS FOR, THAT WE ALL KNOW SHE LIKES.
MONEY IS THE MAYOR AND HIS ASSISTANT OPENING A FALSE DOCUMENT TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA SO THEY CAN FILL THE FALSE WRITING WITH HIS INFORMATION TO HIDE BEHIND THE PRIVILEGE THAT PROTECTS STATEMENTS MADE TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
WHEN THE MAYOR WAS CAUGHT, HE SAID HE HAD NO IDEA HOW IT APPENDED TO THE AGENDA.
WHEN WE ALL KNOW EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH HIM.
FIRST, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, RON MORRISON AND HIS ASSISTANT ARE NOTHING BUT LEADERS OF CORRUPTION.
DO NOT BE FOOLED WHEN HE GOES TO YOUR BIRTHDAY, GOES TO THE SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL, GIVES AWAY TURKEYS AND HAMS. THEY ALL HAVE A PRICE.
THOSE ARE GIFTS, THOSE ARE BEHEADED GIFTS, AND ALL THOSE QUINCEANERAS, AND GOING TO ALL THESE EVENTS AT, IN THE MORNING AND AT NIGHT WITH HIS ASSISTANT.
WHAT MAYOR, WHAT CITY AROUND HERE TAKES HIS ASSISTANT HAND IN HAND WITH TIGHT DRESSES, LOW CUT TRANSPARENCIES.
GARY, FOLLOWED BY ALEXANDER GUT ROAD, FOLLOWED BY EDWIN NETO.
COMMENTS MADE WAIT MINUTE, I'M SORRY, I MISSED ONE.
COMMENTS MADE TO A CITY COUNCIL IN SESSION ARE PRIVILEGED.
SO THE REASON THAT THE MAYOR AND HIS ASSOCIATE ACCOMMODATED
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THE FALSE WRITING THAT WAS PUT INTO, UH, APPENDED TO, UH, THE AGENDA ITEM WAS SO THAT THEY COULD MAKE A BUNCH OF FALSE STATEMENTS IN THAT WRITING THAT WERE DEFAMATORY AND UNTRUE.NOW, THERE WAS NOT MUCH WE COULD DO AT THAT POINT, BUT MY PARTNER ASKED THAT THE CITY PRODUCED WHO EXACTLY WAS INVOLVED IN PLANTING THAT FALSE DOCUMENT.
AND YOU ALL KNOW, YOU KNOW THAT WHEN YOU GO INTO CLOSED SESSION, YOU NEVER APPEND WHAT SOMEBODY IS CLAIMING AS A CLAIM, UH, AGAINST THE CITY.
YOU KNOW THAT YOU'VE NEVER DONE THAT EVER, EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE TIME.
NOW, ONCE THAT HAPPENED, THEN ALL THAT INFORMATION GOT PUT OUT INTO, UH, ONE OF THE LOCAL PUBLICATIONS, AND IT WAS DESIGNED TO ACHIEVE A DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER, WHICH IT ACHIEVED NOW.
BUT HERE'S WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS.
WHEN WE ASKED THE CITY TO TURN OVER THE RECORDS SHOWING HOW THAT GOT APPENDED, THEY DIDN'T DO IT.
WHAT'S WORSE IS THEY TOOK OFF FROM THE WEBSITE, SOMEONE TOOK OFF FROM THE WEBSITE, ALL, ALL OF THE DIRECTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW IN MAKING A CLAIM.
SO WE NOW HAVE FILED A NEW LAWSUIT EVERY TIME, MARCUS AND THE OTHERS, EVERY TIME YOU DO SOMETHING THAT'S WRONG, IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE LAW.
WE ARE GOING TO TRIAL A CASE AGAINST YOU.
WE'RE AT FIVE, AND IT COULD MAKE IT A LOT MORE THAN THAT.
WE ARE GONNA TAKE THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.
NEXT WE HAVE ALEXANDER, UH, GUTRIDGE, FOLLOWED BY MARIA SSON, FOLLOWED BY EDWARD NETTO.
AGA AGATHA CHRISTIE DESCRIBES A MYSTERY AS THE EYE BEING DIVERTED FROM THE REAL BUSINESS.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE REAL BUSINESS.
MR. MAYOR, YOU SAID THAT ALL YOU DID FOR THE PUBLIC HEALTH NUISANCE DEVELOPERS WAS OPEN THE DOOR FOR THEM.
THIS IS 24 DIFFERENT INSTANCES OF COMMUNICATIONS AND HELP WITH THE DEVELOPERS.
FOR INSTANCE, 11 21, 24, 11, 21, 24, THE MAYOR TELLS THE ASSISTANT TO MEET, TO TALK ABOUT BRICO AND THE NUISANCE PROJECT.
TEN NINE TWENTY FOUR, JOSEPH BRICO TO THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT, FORWARDED TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, SWEETWATER ROAD, CUP APPLICATIONS.
THE REAL BUSINESS IS DETERMINING HOW THIS WAS ORCHESTRATED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, HOW THE CITY FAILED TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW, REQUIRING DISCLOSURE OF PUBLIC RECORDS AND HOW THE CITY EVEN WENT SO FAR AS TO ABRUPTLY CHANGE ITS CLAIM PROCEDURE AFTER A REPUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST WAS SUBMITTED.
SO LET'S FOCUS ON THE REAL BUSINESS AND GET TO THE BOTTOM OF HOW THIS OCCURRED.
OKAY, MARIA SSON, FOLLOWED BY EDWARD NETTO.
I'D LIKE TO ASK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR, HOW MUCH MORE MONEY ARE YOU GOING TO WASTE BY NOT COMPLYING WITH PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS? YOU REALLY SHOULD ANSWER TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS BECAUSE YOU ARE SPENDING MONEY WHEN YOU CAN SIMPLY PRODUCE RECORDS AND COMPLY.
ON SEPTEMBER TWO, I WAS HERE FOR A, UH, UH, MEETING, AND IT WAS A SPECIAL MEETING.
IT WAS SET WITH LIGHTNING SPEED, AND IT WAS AFTER A VERY UNORTHODOX LETTER WAS WRITTEN BY THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANTS ATTORNEY TO THE MAYOR, NOT TO THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, NOT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, NOT TO THE CITY CLERK OR RISK MANAGEMENT, WHERE CLAIMS TYPICALLY GLOW GO.
BUT NO, IT WAS SENT TO, OR WAS ADDRESSED DIRECTLY TO THE MAYOR.
AND IT WAS A VERY LENGTHY DOCUMENTS UPLOADED WITH HYPERLINKS.
I'D NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE WHERE AN ACTUAL CLAIM ATTACHED.
SO I DID A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT AND ASKED, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU DONE THAT BEFORE? WELL, THERE WAS NO DOCUMENTS PRODUCED RELATING TO THAT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY NEVER.
SO THEN I DID A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST TO ASK HOW THE, UH, THAT LETTER CAME TO BE, THAT AND HOW IT WAS RECEIVED BY THE CITY.
BECAUSE YOU SEE, THE CITIES HAVE CLAIMS FILING PROCESSES.
IT IS DICTATED BY THE GOVERNMENT CODE BECAUSE DEPENDING ON WHEN IT'S RECEIVED, IT HAS TO BE MARKED BY WHO GOT IT WHEN THEY GOT IT, BECAUSE THAT TRIGGERS CERTAIN LEGAL DEADLINES.
IF THOSE DEADLINES ARE NOT FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH, THEN THE CITY CAN REJECT THE
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CLAIM AND THERE'S NO PAYMENTS OR ANYTHING TO BE MADE.BUT HERE WE HAVE A LETTER TO THE MAYOR AND, UH, ASKING ABOUT THAT.
WELL, WHAT HAPPENED? INSTEAD OF PRODUCING IT, IT'S, THEY SAID, OH, IT'S GONNA TAKE US 60 DAYS.
EVEN THOUGH THE LETTER ASKED FOR COMMUNICATIONS OF HOW IT GOT ON THE AGENDA, HOW IT GOT UPLOADED, WHO TOOK IT IN, WHAT WAS THE DATE, WHO STAMPED IT, I MEAN, WAS IT EVER ACTUALLY RECEIVED BY THE CITY? IS THAT THE LIE? YOU'VE SINCE REMOVED THINGS FROM YOUR WEBSITE, AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO CHECK IT OUT IN PUBLIC.
UM, THIS TONIGHT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE KEY ISSUES, AND I KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS, THE CITY'S FISCAL HEALTH AND THE OVERDUE FISCAL REPORT FOR, UH, FISCAL YEAR 2324.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A LONG TIME AGO ACTUALLY, AND SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS RELY ON ACCURATE DATA YET, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF YOU DON'T.
YOU KNOW, I SPREAD MISINFORMATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RESERVES AND THAT SOUND DELUSIONAL ACTUALLY, AND, UH, WASTEFUL INITIATIVES THAT I THINK THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED.
UM, BASED ON MY ESTIMATES ON SALARY NEGOTIATIONS THAT OCCURRED SINCE JUNE 30TH, THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE LESS THAN $2 MILLION OF PROJECTED UNASSIGNED FUND BALLOTS.
AND, UH, YET, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE SAY WE'RE HOARDING MONEY.
THERE'S RESERVE, THERE'S HEALTHY RESERVES, BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE.
SO, BUT YOU KNOW, THEN ON THE OTHER HAND, IF WE, MY FIGURES ARE CORRECT, I DON'T SEE ANY TALK ABOUT ANY NEW REVENUES.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MSA REVENUE? YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THESE OTHER REVENUES THAT ARE COMING FORTH? WE'RE JUST DIGGING OURSELVES DEEPER INTO A HOLE AND NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE YOU OPEN UP THE NEWSPAPER.
THERE'S PENDING FEDERAL CUTS THAT ARE AFFECTING, THAT ARE GONNA AFFECT YOUR, YOUR CONSTITUENTS, AND NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT THAT'S GONNA END ON JUNE 30TH IS STILL PENDING.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, UM, YOUR FISCAL PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY DOING A GREAT JOB, BUT I HEARD IT'S A BIG, BIG, UH, ACCURACY IN TRANSPARENCY.
COULD I HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, SINCE I'M GETTING FEEDBACK THAT NOT, NOT EVERYBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION.
COULD I GET A LITTLE EXTRA TIME FOR THAT? JUST KEEP GOING.
AND I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, I, I JUMP ON JOSE ABOUT THIS AND I I GOTTA JUMP ON EVERYBODY WEEKLY ABOUT THIS.
SO NO, SO THERE'S NO REAL, UM, NO REALISTIC EXPECTATION, IMMEDIATE REVENUE.
WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS THIS NEXT, WHEN YOU'RE PENDING FISCAL, UH, 23, UH, 24 AUDIT STATEMENT COMES OUT, LOOK AT IT CLOSELY.
THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT IT'S NOT GONNA INCLUDE ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THESE LAST THREE YEARS.
LOOK AT THE INTERNAL CONTROL REPORT.
LOOK AT THE INTERNAL COURT COURT, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION.
AND IF THE AUDITORS DON'T GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION, I THINK WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS ASK FOR IT.
SO JUST DON'T TAKE IT JUST BECAUSE THEY GIVE IT TO YOU.
WITH THAT, THAT IS, UH, NOW WE GO TO OUR ZOOM MEMBERS ON ZOOM.
GOOD EVENING, NATIONAL CITY, CITY COUNCIL MAYOR MORRISON.
I'M A PLANNING GROUP MEMBER, PARENT, AND A PUBLIC HEALTH EDUCATOR.
THERE'S A WELL-KNOWN PODCAST CALLED DREAMLAND, HOSTED BY SAM ES, WHO IS A SUBSTANCE ABUSE COUNSELOR.
HIS OBSERVATIONS FROM THE FIELD HAVE ASSISTED THOSE OF US HERE IN PUBLIC HEALTH.
HE RECENTLY SAID, AND I QUOTE, THERE IS A LESSON I THOUGHT THE OPI ACADEMIC HAD TAUGHT US, WHICH I BELIEVED WAS, WAS THIS BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE DRUGS THAT ARE ONE LEGAL, TWO HIGHLY POTENT, THREE, MADE WIDELY AVAILABLE WITH FOUR UNFOUNDED CLAIMS OF THEIR RISK FREE NATURE, AND PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANT, NUMBER FIVE, PROMOTED AND MARKETED BY PROFIT MOTIVATED GROUPS OR CORPORATIONS.
THIS DESCRIPTION GOES A LONG WAY TO DESCRIBE OUR MARIJUANA INDUSTRY TODAY.
POT CAPITALISM HAS TRANSFORMED WEED INTO HYPER POTENT MUTATION, BEARING NO RESEMBLANCE TO THE NATURALLY GROWN PLANT.
THE SYNTHESIZATION OF POT, OR REALLY OF THC, MEANS THAT THE MENTAL CONSEQUENCES OF HYPER POTENT POT AND THC PRODUCTS NOW EQUAL THOSE LIKE FENTANYL, METH, AND COCAINE.
HE SPEAKS ABOUT THE SPREAD OF PSYCHOSIS HE, HE AND HIS COLLEAGUES SEE REGULARLY, ESPECIALLY AMONG YOUNG MEN.
HE REGRETS THE PERMITTING OF POT BECAUSE IT ALLOWED FOR INDUSTRIAL
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INNOVATION OF THC PRODUCTS IN MIGHTY AND DEVASTATING, POTENT SUPPLY, DABS, WAXES, AND VAPES, AND ESPECIALLY FAMILIES WHERE THE PARENTS ARE SHELL-SHOCKED BY THE YOUNG ADULTS.WE NEED THESE REALTIME PODCASTS TO COUNTER THE AGGRESSIVE SOCIAL MEDIA AND MARIJUANA BUSINESS BILLBOARDS AROUND TOWN.
THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY CONCERNS THIS EVENING.
I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF YOUTH DRUG PREVENTION MONTH AND TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO A PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERN, SECONDHAND SMOKE EXPOSURE TO E-CIGARETTE AND TOBACCO SMOKE AMONG YOUTH.
ACCORDING TO A NEWLY RELEASED STUDY FROM THE 2023 NATIONAL YOUTH TOBACCO SURVEY, OVER 64% OF STUDENTS IN GRADES SIX THROUGH 12, WHICH IS IN THE UNITED STATES, AN ESTIMATED 18 MILLION CHILDREN REPORTED EXPOSURE TO SECONDHAND E-CIGARETTE OR TOBACCO SMOKE WITHIN THE PAST 30 DAYS.
THAT MEANS MOST OF OUR YOUTH ARE ROUTINELY BREATHING IN HARMFUL SUBSTANCES, EVEN IF THEY DON'T PERSONALLY USE THESE PRODUCTS.
THE STUDY FOUND THAT SECONDHAND EXPOSURE, ESPECIALLY TO E-CIGARETTES, IS STRONGLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE EARLY STAGES OF YOUTH E-CIGARETTE USE, INCLUDING INCREASED SUSCEPTIBILITY AND EXPERIMENTATION.
FOR EXAMPLE, STUDENTS EXPOSED TO E-CIGARETTE VAPOR WERE MORE THAN TWICE AS LIKELY TO TRY E-CIGARETTES COMPARED TO THOSE WITH NO EXPOSURE.
AS WE RECOGNIZE OCTOBER AS YOUTH DRUG PREVENTION MONTH AND PREPARE FOR RED RIBBON WEEK, I URGE THIS COUNCIL TO CONSIDER STRATEGIES TO REDUCE YOUTH EXPOSURE IN PUBLIC SPACES, ESPECIALLY PARKS, SCHOOLS, AND MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
WE MUST ENSURE OUR LOCAL ENVIRONMENTS PROTECT NOT END DANGER OUR YOUNG PEOPLE BY LIMITING SECONDHAND SMOKE EXPOSURE.
WE DON'T JUST PROTECT THEIR LUNGS, WE PROTECT THEIR FUTURES.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC HEALTH.
I'M A PUBLIC HEALTH EDUCATOR AND A CONCERNED RESIDENT FOR THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OUR, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
I OFTEN SPEAK REGARDING THE DETRIMENTAL IMPACT OF HIGH POTENCY POT PRODUCTS AND, UM, THEIR IMPACT THAT THEY HAVE ON YOUNG PEOPLE AND THE DEVELOPING BRAIN.
BUT TODAY, I'D LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION YET ANOTHER DETRIMENTAL CONSEQUENCE MARIJUANA CAN HAVE, AND THAT IS ON FERTILITY AND CHILD DEVELOPMENT.
A STUDY PUBLISHED THIS YEAR BY RESEARCHERS FOUND THAT THC, THE ACTIVE INGREDIENT IN MARIJUANA DIRECTLY HARMS HUMAN EMBRYOS.
IVF EMBRYOS EXPOSED TO THC SHOWED WIDESPREAD GENE DISRUPTIONS AND A 9% INCREASE IN CHROMOSOMAL ERRORS.
THESE ERRORS ARE A LEADING CAUSE OF MISCARRIAGES AND SEVERE DEVELOPMENTAL PROBLEMS. THE SCIENCE BUILDS ON WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW.
MARIJUANA REDUCES SPERM COUNT AND QUALITY IN MEN INTERFERES WITH NORMAL BRAIN DEVELOPMENT AND CHILDREN, AND LEAVES LASTING MARKS ON DNA.
DESPITE THIS, THE MARIJUANA INDUSTRY CONTINUES TO MARKET THESE PRODUCTS AS, QUOTE, SAFE AND QUOTE, NATURAL PREGNANT WOMEN IN PARTICULAR, IN PARTICULAR ARE BEING MISLED, OFTEN TURNING TO MARIJUANA.
WITHOUT BEING WARNED OF ITS RISKS, OUR CITY CAN TAKE STEPS TO PROTECT FAMILIES.
I URGE THIS COUNCIL TO REQUIRE POINT OF PURCHASE EDUCATION IN POT SHOPS SO CONSUMERS SEE ACCURATE HEALTH INFORMATION BEFORE BUYING.
I ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO ADVOCATE FOR MANDATORY WARNING LABELS ON PACKAGING CLEARLY STATING THE RISKS TO FERTILITY, PREGNANCY, AND CHILD DEVELOPMENT.
THESE ARE BASIC PUBLIC HEALTH PROTECTIONS, NO DIFFERENT FROM TOBACCO OR ALCOHOL.
BY ADAPTING THESE MEASURES, NATIONAL CITY CAN ENSURE RESIDENTS ARE MAKING INFORMED CHOICES AND THAT VULNERABLE GROUPS, ESPECIALLY WOMEN AND CHILDREN, ARE NOT LEFT UNPROTECTED.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME'S MEGAN STEWART AND I HAVE EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH YOUTH EVERY DAY.
THE IMPACT THAT THE NORMALIZATION OF DRUG USE, WHETHER IT'S VAPING, NICOTINE, OR MARIJUANA, IS HAVING ON OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, IS BECOMING MORE AND MORE EVIDENT.
WHEN YOU SEE IT, ESPECIALLY BEING USED, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO TRY IT.
WHEN MARIJUANA STORES ARE VISIBLE IN OUR COMMUNITIES, WHEN VAPING APPS POP UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AND WHEN ADULTS NORMALIZE THESE BEHAVIORS, KIDS DON'T SEE ANY RISK.
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TOBACCO SURVEY FOUND THAT 64% OF US, SIX THROUGH 12TH GRADERS WERE EXPOSED TO SECONDHAND E-CIG OR TOBACCO SMOKE, AS MENTIONED BY A SPEAKER EARLIER.THOSE WHO WERE EXPOSED JUST TO THE SMOKE WERE TWO TO THREE MORE TIMES LIKELY TO TRY VAPING FOR THEMSELVES.
IN OTHER WORDS, JUST BEING AROUND IT, SEEING IT, SMELLING IT, AND BREATHING IT IN MAKES THEM MORE LIKELY TO TRY.
AND THIS EXPOSURE ISN'T JUST LEADING TO USE, IT'S LEADING TO HARM.
WE KNOW THAT EARLY AND ONGOING SUBSTANCE USE TAKES A DEEP TOLL ON MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL HEALTH.
IT DISRUPTS BRAIN DEVELOPMENT, INCREASES ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION, AND CAN MAKE YOUNG PEOPLE MORE VULNERABLE TO SELF-HARM AND HOPELESSNESS.
WHAT STARTS AS CURIOSITY CAN QUICKLY BECOME A DANGEROUS COPING MECHANISM.
ACCORDING TO EAST COUNTY MAGAZINE, DR.
LEV REPORTED LAST MONTH THAT MARIJUANA WAS FOUND IN 43% OF SUICIDE TOXICOLOGY REPORTS AMONG YOUTH UNDER 25 AND SAN DIEGO COUNTY IN THE YEAR 2022.
THAT IS NEARLY HALF AND SHOULD STOP EVERY ONE OF US IN OUR TRACKS.
WE CANNOT KEEP SENDING MIXED MESSAGES, TELLING YOUTH TO MAKE HEALTHY CHOICES AND EFFORTS LIKE RED RIBBON WEEK LATER THIS MONTH, WHILE ALLOWING ADVERTISING VISIBILITY AND PUBLIC USE OF ADDICTIVE SUBSTANCES THAT GLAMORIZE THE VERY BEHAVIORS WE WARN THEM AGAINST.
SPEAKING OF MARIJUANA, BECAUSE OCTOBER IS NATIONAL SUBSTANCE USE AND MISUSE MONTH, IT'S A GOOD TIME TO CALL ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE DRIVING WHILE MARIJUANA IMPAIRED IS INCREASING.
THIS IS A PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN, ESPECIALLY IN LOCALITIES WHERE MARIJUANA IS PERMITTED FOR SALE AND CONSUMPTION.
THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY STATE'S MOTOR VEHICLE CRASHES ARE THE LEADING CAUSE OF WORK RELATED DEATHS ACCOUNTING FOR MORE THAN 21,000 FATALITIES BETWEEN 2011 AND 2022.
AND MARIJUANA ADDS TO THAT RISK.
THC WAS THE MOST COMMONLY DETECTED, SUBSTANCE DETECTED IN OVER 25% OF SERIOUSLY OR FATALLY INJURED ROAD USERS TESTED BETWEEN 2020 AND 21 POT USERS HAD NEARLY TWICE THE ODDS OF BEING INVOLVED IN MOTOR VEHICLE CRASHES AS SOBER DRIVERS.
THE DRUG-FREE WORKPLACE ALLIANCE STATES THAT ALLOWING MARIJUANA IMPAIRED EMPLOYEES TO DRIVE HAS RESULTED IN THE LOSS OF TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO EMPLOYERS.
AND THOSE DRIVING IMPAIRED SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS CAN PRO PROACTIVELY SAFEGUARD AGAINST THE RISK BY ESTABLISHING CLEAR DRUG-FREE WORKPLACE POLICIES THAT IS EXPLICITLY STATE EMPLOYEES CANNOT DRIVE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF MARIJUANA.
WITH THIS IS, WITH THIS IN MIND, I WANNA ASK IF THE CITY IS MONITORING WORKPLACE PRACTICES AT THE CITY'S MARIJUANA LOUNGE TO ENSURE THERE'S NO MARIJUANA IMPAIRED DRIVING BY EMPLOYEES OR PATRONS, SUCH OVERSIGHT IS ESSENTIAL TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
MY NAME IS MANUEL ANDRADE, NATIONAL CITY COLLISION FOR BETTER HEALTH MANAGER.
THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR PASSING THE TRL PROGRAM TWO WEEKS AGO.
I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY A FEW POINTS MENTIONED DURING THE SEPTEMBER 19TH TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE PRO HEARING BY INDUSTRY REPRESENTATIVES AND TOBACCO RETAILERS.
FIRST, I WAS TRULY SURPRISED TO HEAR CLAIMS THAT THE TRL WILL BE DEVASTATING FOR BUSINESSES WHEN TOBACCO KILLS OVER HALF MILLION PEOPLE EACH YEAR AND COSTS MORE THAN 600 BILLION IN HEALTHCARE AND LOSS OF PRO PRODUCTIVITY.
SEEING THOUSANDS OF STUDENTS BECOMING ADDICTED AND ACCESSING PRODUCTS FROM LOCAL STORES IS TRULY DEVASTATING.
SECOND, I WAS IN AWE LISTENING TO REPRESENTATIVES FROM CAPE AND BOTTLE SPOKE OR SPEAKING AGAINST THE TRL PROGRAMS SINCE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A LAWSUIT AGAINST BY THE SAN DIEGO CITY ATTORNEY FOR SAILING LEGAL FLAVORED TOBACCO PRODUCTS, COUNTABLE TIMES IN YOUR FRONT YARD IN NATIONAL CITY, AND AT THE SOO VALLEY LOCATION.
NATIONAL CITY ALREADY HAD A COP REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR SPECIAL BUSINESSES APPROVED IN 2018.
UNDER THE ADOPTED ORANGE SELL.
SELLING TOBACCO IS A CONDITIONAL PRIVILEGE.
AFTER FOUR VIOLATIONS IN THREE YEARS, THE PRIVILEGE SHOULD BE REVOKED AND TOBACCO RETAILERS CANNOT FOLLOW THE LAW.
HOW IS THIS UNFAIR? THERE SHOULD BE ZERO TOLERANCE TO SELL TO YOUTH THAT YOUR APPLIES SE EQUALLY TO ALL RETAILERS AND HELPS ENSURE THAT BUSINESSES LIKE CAKE AND THE BOTTLES STOP SELLING ILLEGAL PRODUCTS AND AGAIN, AND GAIN, I'M SORRY, AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE OVER COMPLIANT RETAILERS.
KUDOS TO LOW VIDANT RETAILERS REGARDING THE TRANSFERS OF LICENSES.
TLS ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE AT BOTH
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THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVELS.THE LICENSE BELONGS TO THE INDIVIDUAL RETAILER, NOT TO THE BUSINESS ENTITY, AND IS NOT A FACTOR FOR THE VALUE OF THE BUSINESS WHEN IT'S SOLD.
THIS INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND IN CALIFORNIA CIGARETTE AND TOBACCO PRODUCT LICENSE ACT OF 2003.
THE HONESTY OF THESE COMMENTS SHOULD BE SERIOUSLY QUESTIONED.
ALL THESE CLEARLY SHOWS WHY STRONG ENFORCEMENT AND EDUCATION IS NECESSARY.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR PASSING THE TOBACCO RETAIL LICENSE ORDINANCE.
THAT CONCLUDES THE ZOOM COMMENTS.
I DO WANNA PUT ON THE RECORD THAT WE RECEIVED FOUR WRITTEN COMMENTS.
I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT ITEM 11 ONE, UM, ON THE AGENDA HAS BEEN PULLED, AND SO WE WILL NOT BE ADDRESSING THAT ONE THIS EVENING.
[6.1 Introduction of New City Employees]
THEN WE GET INTO OUR, UH, INTRODUCTION OF NEW CITY EMPLOYEES.IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, LOOKING OVER HERE TO ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS.
GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF, CITY MANAGER, UH, STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS.
ACTUALLY TONIGHT I'M THE ACTING DIRECTOR FOR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS.
UM, I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TONIGHT OF INTRODUCING TWO NEW MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM, UH, BECAUSE OF THEIR WORK DUTIES AND THEIR NORMAL WORKING SCHEDULE.
THEY'RE NOT WITH US HERE TONIGHT, BUT I DID WANT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN.
UH, WE HAVE FIRST, UM, A NEW MAINTENANCE WORKER.
WE'RE HAPPY TO WELCOME JULIAN PEREZ AS A MAINTENANCE WORKER AND THE US ADDITION TO OUR TEAM WITHIN THE STREET AND WASTEWATER MAINTENANCE DIVISION.
JULIAN WAS BORN AND RAISED IN CHULA VISTA, SO VERY FAMILIAR WITH OUR CITY AND THE SOUTH COUNTY.
ALTHOUGH HE IS NEW TO THE SPECIFIC KIND OF MAINTENANCE ROLE HE BECOME, HE DOES COME WITH HANDS-ON EXPERIENCE WORKING AS A PLUMBER'S ASSISTANT AND HAD DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF SAFETY, TEAMWORK, AND PROBLEM SOLVING.
HE LOOKS FORWARD TO GROWING HIS SKILLS AND CONTRIBUTING TO THE SUCCESS OF OUR DEPARTMENT AND OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
AND I'M JUST GONNA SKIP AHEAD TO THE THIRD PERSON THERE.
WHO'S ALSO FROM OUR DEPARTMENT.
WE WELCOME ALAN ARROYO, WHO RECENTLY JOINED US ORIGINALLY FROM RIVERSIDE, BUT RAISED IN NATIONAL CITY SINCE THE AGE OF ONE, WE'RE EXCITED TO ADD ANOTHER TRUE LOCAL TO OUR TEAM AS WELL AS A RED DEVIL.
SINCE HE IS A GRADUATE OF SWEETWATER HIGH SCHOOL.
FROM THE CLASS OF 2016, ALAN COMES TO US WITH VERY RELEVANT EXPERIENCE, HAVING WORKED OVER EIGHT YEARS AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES TECH AT SDSU MEDICAL CENTER AND AS A CUSTODIAN FOR THE NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE ALAN AS OUR NEWEST MEMBER OF THE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE DIVISION WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT.
UH, HE STARTED WITH US A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND HE CAME TO, HE'S A POINT LOMA POINTER, SO WE WON'T HOLD THAT AGAINST SOMEBODY.
HE'S ACTUALLY WORKING IN OUR PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE AS A SPECIALIST.
WE WERE A LITTLE SHORTHANDED, SO HE CAME OVER TO US, UH, VERY CONNECTED IN THE COMMUNITY.
HE, UH, VOLUNTEERS A LOT OF HIS TIME HELPING KIDS PLAY BASEBALL.
SO WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE HIM.
HE'S VERY EXCITED AND HE IS ALREADY GETTING INVOLVED IN OUR PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE TEAM.
OKAY, SO THAT IS ALL THAT WE HAVE ON THE, UM, ON
[6.2 Employee of the Quarter]
OUR NEW EMPLOYEES.AFTER THAT, NOW WE GO TO EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER AND WE HAVE OUR CITY LIBRARIAN.
I WANNA INVITE UP MARIA TO COME JOIN US IF SOMEBODY COULD GRAB HER.
SO, IT IS MY HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO GET TO RECOGNIZE MARIA MARMA, UH, AS THE EMPLOYEE OF THE QUARTER.
UH, MARIA'S BEEN PART OF OUR LIBRARY FAMILY FOR 38 YEARS.
UH, IN THAT TIME, SHE'S BECOME THE HEART OF OUR CIRCULATION TEAM AND A TRUE EXAMPLE OF DEDICATION AND KINDNESS.
AND AS OUR CIRCULATION SUPERVISOR, MARIA KEEPS EVERYTHING RUNNING SMOOTHLY.
SHE MANAGES DAILY OPERATIONS WITH GRACE, SUPPORTS HER TEAM WITH PATIENCE AND CARE, AND MAKE SURE EVERY
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PATRON WHO WALKS THROUGH OUR DOORS IS TREATED WITH WARMTH AND RESPECT.MARIA'S ALWAYS THE FIRST TO LEND A HAND, WHETHER IT'S HELPING WITH A PROGRAM, COVERING A SHIFT, STEPPING IN ON HER DAY OFF TO MAKE SURE THINGS GET DONE.
SHE BRINGS CALM TO CHAOS, FIND SOLUTIONS TO ANY PROBLEM, AND DOES IT ALL WITH A SMILE.
PATRON'S LOVE HER FOR HER KINDNESS AND THE WAY SHE MAKES EVERYONE FEEL WELCOME.
HER KNOWLEDGE, PROFESSIONALISM, AND STEADY PATIENTS HAVE BEEN A CORNERSTONE OF OUR LIBRARY FOR NEARLY FOUR DECADES.
MARIA TRULY EMBODIES THE SPIRIT OF PUBLIC SERVICE.
SHE LEADS WITH COMPASSION, WORKS TIRELESSLY FOR HER COMMUNITY, LIFTS EVERYONE UP AROUND HER.
IT'S AN HONOR TO CELEBRATE HER TODAY AND RECOGNIZE ALL THAT SHE'S GIVEN TO OUR LIBRARY, OUR STAFF, AND OUR CITY.
CONGRATULATIONS MARIA, AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.
AS MY BOSS SAID, YOU KNOW, MY DIRECTOR, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 38 YEARS.
I WON AND ONLY JOB STARTED WHEN I WAS 17.
I AM HONORED TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, WORK FOR MY COMMUNITY, AND ALSO BE AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY.
I'M THANKFUL FOR ALLOWING ME TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY IN THIS CITY FOR SO MANY YEARS WITH A HEAVY HEART.
I RETIRED THIS YEAR, BUT I AM FULL WITH MY HEART THAT I'VE SERVED WITH EVERYTHING I'VE GOT, AND I WOULD DO IT AGAIN IN A HEARTBEAT.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
YOU GOT ME BEAT BY FIVE YEARS.
YOU ALSO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, MAYOR AS MARIA MAKES HER ROUNDS.
IF I COULD JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT.
UM, I REMEMBER BEING IN HIGH SCHOOL AND BEING A VOLUNTEER AT THE LIBRARY.
THIS IS THE OLD LIBRARY, WHICH IS NOW OUR ARTS CENTER.
SO, AND I REMEMBER MARIA AND SHE TAUGHT ME THE CIRCULATION DESK AND I WAS TERRIFIED AND I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, GO INTO THE CHILDREN'S, UM, THE CHILDREN'S AREA BECAUSE THAT WAS A LITTLE SMALLER, LESS TERRIFYING.
BUT MARIA, I JUST, EVER SINCE THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN SUCH A PRESENCE AT THE LIBRARY AND I JUST LOVE YOU FOR IT.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF THE DEDICATION THAT YOU'VE DONE TO CITY OF NATIONAL CITY.
I WANT TO THANK MY CURRENT EMPLOYEES, ONES THAT HAVE LEFT AND MOVED ON TO THE CITY, MY SECOND FAMILY.
[7. REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS]
WE GO ON TO REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS.I'LL START DOWN HERE, UH, TO MY, MY FOR IN HERE ON THE LEFT, WE HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, UH, MEETING COMING UP ON THURSDAY WITH MTS.
UH, SWEETWATER AUTHORITY, NOTHING TO REPORT SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY.
NOTHING TO REPORT METRO JPA, UH, WASTEWATER.
NOTHING TO REPORT SAN DIEGO COMMUNITY POWER.
WE'RE RELAUNCHING THE SOLAR BATTERY SAVINGS PROGRAM THAT WAS ANNOUNCED EARLIER BY ONE OF OUR, UM, UH, ADVISORY, UH, MEMBER, UH, MR. LARRY EMERSON.
UM, THIS WILL BE, THIS IS THE SOLAR BATTERY SAVINGS PROGRAM.
PROVIDES UPFRONT REBATES AND PERFORMANCE INCENTIVES FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS WHO INSTALLS NEW SOLAR PLUS STORAGE SYSTEMS OR ADD BATTERIES TO THEIR EXISTING SOLAR SETUP.
PARTICIPANTS WILL RECEIVE LOWER UPFRONT COSTS THROUGH INSTALLATION REBATES, BILL SAVINGS BY USING STORED SOLAR ENERGY DURING EXPENSIVE EVENING HOURS, BACKED UP POWER DURING OUTAGES AND PERFORMANCE PAYMENTS.
SO THIS IS, UM, A NEW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A NEW PROJECT OF SUNIL COMMUNITY POWER, BUT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE POPULARITY OF IT, UM, WE WOULD LIKE OTHER RATE PAYERS TO, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
UM, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT, MAYOR.
UH, WE HAVE BOTH A, UH, OH, I'M SORRY.
WE DID HAVE A PREVIEW OF THE FINAL, UH, WELL, IT'S NOT FINAL, BUT IT'S A NEAR FINAL, UM, REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR 2025.
AND IT IS, UM, A PLEASURE TO SEE
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IT, UM, IN ITS NEAR FINAL FORM.EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN ON SANDAG, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH SMALL GROUPS TO, UH, GET WHAT WE WANNA SEE IN THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN DETAILED INTO IT.
AND SO TO SEE THE FINAL, NEAR FINAL FORM IS, IS A PLEASURE.
AND, UH, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PRESENTATION IN THE NEXT COMING, UH, MEETINGS AT SANDAG.
THERE WILL BE A BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING ON FRIDAY, WHICH I WILL ATTEND AND I WILL REPORT BACK.
UH, NOTHING TO REPORT SINCE THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, BUT WE DO HAVE ANOTHER AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT MEETING, UH, THIS THURSDAY.
UH, I HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS, ONE ON SANDAG THE, UH, UH, REGIONAL PLANNING.
AND SO LOOKED AT A, A GOOD NUMBER OF ISSUES ON THAT ONE.
UH, ALSO THEN ON RISA, WE HAD OUR QUARTERLY MEETING.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE WE'RE LOOKING, SINCE WE DEAL WITH ALL THE HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE DISPOSAL, EVERYTHING ELSE WAS, UH, SOME OF THE ISSUES DEALING WITH, UH, SOME OF THESE LITHIUM BATTERIES.
ONCE THEY START GETTING TO THE END OF THEIR LIFE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? AND, UH, RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PLANS, BUT THAT'S GONNA CATCH UP WITH US BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE, UH, UH, BEFORE, BEFORE WE MAY BE, UH, READY FOR IT.
SO ANYWAY, SO WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT AHEAD OF TIME.
UM, JUST, UH, HIT OCTOBER IS THE FILIPINO AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH, THE 119 CONGRESS FIRST SESSION SUBMITTED A RESOLUTION, UH, LED BY OUR VERY OWN CONGRESSMAN JUAN VARGAS.
RESOLUTION 7 7 4, EXPRESSING SUPPORT FOR THE RECOGNITION OF THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, 2025 AS FILIPINO AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH AND CELEBRATING THE HISTORY AND CULTURE OF FILIPINO AMERICANS AND THEIR IMMENSE CONTRIBUTION TO THE UNITED STATES.
[8. CONSENT CALENDAR]
WITH THAT WE GO INTO CONSENT AND WE'LL BE PULLING OUR REQUEST, UH, 8 3 5 7 12 14 AND 16.SIR, ANYTHING ELSE YOU MAY SPEAK, HUH? PULLING 8 3 8 5 8 7 8 12, 8 14, AND EIGHT 60.
UM, WITH THAT SAID, UM, MOVE TO APPROVE, UM, THE REST OF THE OTHER CONSENT ITEMS. I SECOND.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION SECOND, PLEASE.
YOU ALREADY GOT YOUR DEALS IN THERE.
BOARD IS LIGHTENED UPRIGHT MOTION APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.
[8.3 Approval of a Five-Year Agreement with Innovative Interfaces Incorporated (Clarivate) for Polaris Integrated Library System (ILS) and Vega Products, the Total Contract Amount Not-to-Exceed $190,000.]
EIGHT THREE.THIS IS APPROVAL OF FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH INNOVATIVE INTERFACES INTERCORP, UH, IN INCORPORATED, UH, FOR POLARIS INTEGRATED LIBRARY SYSTEM IN VEGA.
PRODUCTS NOT GOING TO HAVE THE OLD INDEX CARDS ON THE DEWEY DECIMAL SYSTEM ANYMORE.
UM, OKAY, SO THIS WAS, UH, EIGHT THREE MR. THOMAS REICH.
I JUST SAID THAT SO YOU COULD VOTE ON IT.
IT'S 190,000 FOR FIVE YEARS MM-HMM
AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'LL STATE.
WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? APPROVE.
MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.
[8.5 Designate the Fire Chief, Chief of Police, and Emergency Manager as Authorized Agents to Continue the Cost Recovery Process for All Open and Future Disasters up to Three (3) Years Following the Date of Approval.]
FIVE.DESIGNATE THE FIRE CHIEF, UH, CHIEF OF POLICE AND EMERGENCY MANAGER AS AUTHORIZED AGENTS TO CONTINUE THE COST RECOVERY PROCESS FOR ALL OPEN AND FUTURE DISASTERS UP TO THREE YEARS FOLLOWING THE DATE OF APPROVAL.
UH, WITH THAT MAD MR. ATO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO RAISE THIS QUESTION, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COST RECOVERY AND DISASTERS.
I WASN'T NEVER, EVER SURE IF WE EVER HEARD WHETHER WE RECOVERED THE COST FROM FEMA FROM OUR LAST FLOOD DISASTER.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF QUESTION WHETHER WE SUBMITTED CLAIMS AND WHETHER WE ABLE TO RECOVER THAT COST.
I NEVER HEAR, HEARD A CLEAR ANSWER.
AND WHERE IS THAT? IS THAT A RECEIVABLE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE BOOKS THAT'S RECEIVABLE OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PROCESS WE NEVER HEARD BACK? I MEAN, WE TAKE A LOSS AGAINST THAT, AGAINST THE, THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, WHAT I WANT TO ASK IS, AND THE OTHER QUESTION I ALWAYS ASK, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A DISASTER, BUT I NEVER HEARD OF A DISASTER RECOVERY, UH, DISASTER PLAN FOR THE NEXT TIME THIS HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, NEXT FLOOD, NEXT FIRE.
YOU KNOW, I NEVER HEARD, I'VE ASKED SEVERAL TIMES AND I'VE, I'VE NEVER GOT A RESPONSE TO THAT.
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YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY.UH, AND THANK YOU MR. NIETO, A CITY ATTORNEY.
DO YOU, UH, HAPPEN TO, I KNOW THAT JUST HEARING ABOUT THIS, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN UPDATE US ON, UH, ANY, ANYTHING IN TERMS OF THE FEMA PROCESS, CLAIMS, ANY OF THE REIMBURSEMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED BACK FROM THE, THE CITY OR FROM, FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? EXCUSE ME.
THEY, I THINK WALTER'S THE ONE TO ANSWER THIS ONE.
THANK YOU WALTER? YEAH, WALTER AMITY, EMERGENCY MANAGER, CITY OF NATIONAL CITY.
UH, WE HAVE SUBMITTED, UH, FOR THE MAJORITY OF OUR, UM, REIMBURSABLE, UH, COSTS.
AND WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS ARE, ARE NOW FINALIZING FINALLY, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO RECOVER MOST OF THOSE COSTS.
UM, DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATED DATE OR A RANGE OF WHEN WE EXPECT TO RECOVER THOSE COSTS? AS SOON AS THE PROJECTS ARE ARE DONE? UH, WE SUBMIT, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ALL THE PAPERWORK THAT THEY NEED.
AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE, THE ENTIRE YEAR.
UM, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO THE, TO THE FLOODS, UM, FROM MASTER.
BUT IS THERE BUT TO RECOVER EVERYTHING, IS IT LIKE THREE MONTHS? IS THERE SIX MONTHS? IS IT A YEAR? THERE REALLY ISN'T A TIMEFRAME, UM, TO ACTUALLY, UH, GET THE, THE MONEY BACK.
UM, WE ARE JUST CONTINUING TO, UH, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED AND PROVIDING THE INFORMATION THAT, UH, THAT WE CAN, UH, HAVE AT HAND.
CAN I ADD TO THAT? ABSOLUTELY.
MR. EDDI, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE, UH, WORKSHOPS THAT YOU ARE PREPARING US FOR OUR EMERGENCY, UH, SERVICES, UH, PREPAREDNESS.
AND, AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, WE ARE CONCENTRATING ON THE EOC, THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.
UM, AND WE HAVE, UH, TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE FLOODS AND, AND HOW WE CAN BETTER THAT SITUATION NEXT TIME.
WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? MOVE TO APPROVE SECOND.
MARCUS, YOU WANNA HIT YOUR MOTION? THERE YOU GO.
ALRIGHT, THERE WE'RE, ALRIGHT.
MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.
[8.7 Increases to Salaries and Benefits for Executive, Management, and Confidential Groups.]
OKAY.EIGHT SEVEN IS INCREASES TO SALARY AND BENEFITS FOR EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT AND CONFIDENTIAL GROUPS.
UM, I WOULD LIKE A MO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS ITEM.
DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? YES.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I HAD, WE, WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS WITH STAFF, BUT I'VE QUESTION, IT'S JUST SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
SO YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S A NEED FOR SOME, SOME CLARITY.
AND, UH, UM, BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE FINALIZE ON THIS ONE, UM, WE DO HAVE SOME SPEAKERS, UH, THAT PUT IN FOR THIS.
UH, BUT SINCE WE HAVE A MOTION, YOU CAN ONLY SPEAK TO THE MOTION, WHICH WOULD BE ON CONTINUING IT OR NOT CONTINUING IT.
SO WOULD ANY ONE OF THOSE WHO PUT IN FOR SPEAKER, WOULD THEY LIKE TO TALK, SPEAK TO THAT? IF NOT WITH THIS WILL BE COMING BACK.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF YOU THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
IT'S BEING CONTINUED TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, SO WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING TESTIMONY ON THE ITEM ITSELF.
IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL SHOULD CONTINUE IT, YOU'RE HAPPY TO OR OTHERWISE YOU CAN SAVE YOUR COMMENTS TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
SECOND, UH, SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION, UH, PLEASE VOTE.
UH, NEXT WE GO TO EIGHT FIVE, OR I'M SORRY, I'M THE WRONG PAGE.
[8.12 Project Close-Out and Notice of Completion for the Valley Road Storm Drain Replacement Project, CIP No. 24-21.]
UH, 12.THIS IS PROJECT CLOSEOUT AND NOTICE OF COMPLETION FOR THE VALLEY ROAD STORM DRAIN REPLACEMENT, UH, PROJECT.
OKAY, BEFORE I ANSWER THIS, ASK THIS QUESTION.
IF YOU DON'T COLLECT MONEY WITHIN SIX MONTHS AFTER THE YEAR END, I BELIEVE THAT SHOULDN'T BE RECORDED.
IT YOU DON'T RECORD IT AS RECEIVABLES OR REVENUE.
SO WE HAVEN'T COLLECTED THAT OR I HAVE NOT COLLECTED THE MONEY WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR.
AND I PLEASE CORRECT ME, BRUCE, IF I'M WRONG, OR, UH, THEN YOU DON'T, WE HAVEN'T RECOGNIZED THAT PORTION AS REVENUE.
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OKAY.THE OTHER THING IS, UH, LET'S SEE, I WANT, I WANT TO ASK, UH, OUR, UH, OH
YOU KNOW, I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT COMPARED FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR HAS BEEN REDUCED.
SO WHY, REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE HAD $2 MILLION, UH, UH, CHANGE WHEN WE REDUCED OUR, UM, OUR, UH, WE CHANGED IT FROM, UH, ARPA FUNDS TO THE GENERAL INTO THE GENERAL FUND TO MAKE TO COVER OPERATING COSTS.
SO IS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS BEING REDUCED EVERY YEAR? IS THE EXPECTATION, ARE WE GONNA MAINTAIN THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET THE SAME LEVEL AS WE DID LAST YEAR WITH A LESS THAN $2 MILLION? ARE WE EXPECTED, ARE THE CITIZENS EXPECTED TO GET LESS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IN THE PRIOR YEARS? THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION I'M ASKING.
I NEED CLARIFICATION AND I DON'T NEED A, I NEED JUST A YES OR NO.
I, I LIKE TO SEE SOME DATA TO SUPPORT THIS.
I, I, I THINK I CAN GIVE YOU A BRIEF ANSWER AND THAT IS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ARE CYCLIC.
AND SO WE HAVE, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO GRANTS.
SO A LOT OF TIMES WE'VE, WE FULFILL OUT SOME, A LOT OF THOSE ARPA ONES WE'VE FILLED OUT.
SO NOW, UH, THIS YEAR THERE'S, THERE'S FEWER AT THIS YEAR, I CAN ALREADY TELL YOU, MOST LIKELY FOR THIS NEXT YEAR WE'RE GONNA HAVE PROBABLY HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE AND, 'CAUSE I JUST WAS DEALING WITH SOME OF THOSE THAT WILL PROBABLY BE COMING IN WITHIN THIS NEXT YEAR.
SO THERE'S A, UH, SO IT'S CYCLIC.
IT DOESN'T, IT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A STEADY STREAM.
UH, AND IT DEPENDS ON THE GRANT LEVELS AND THEN ALSO THE INDIVIDUAL NEEDS OF THE PROJECTS AND HOW MUCH MONEY WE WOULD BE USING OUTTA GRANTS AND HOW MUCH WE WERE USING ON A GENERAL FUND.
AM I SAYING THAT HALFWAY RIGHT? TRUE.
YES, YOU ARE MAYOR AND I WILL ALSO DEFER TO OUR ACTING CITY MANAGER IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING ON THE, UM, CIP BUDGET FOR THE YEAR.
UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUMMARY, MAYOR.
UM, THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS OUR, OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE FUNDED THROUGH A VARIETY OF GRANTS, GENERAL FUND, AST, TAX, TRANSNET, UM, AND THEN THE TIMING OF THE PROJECTS AND THE SCOPE, IT IS CYCLICAL.
UM, SO WHILE THE GENERAL FUND CONTRIBUTION WAS LESS, UH, FOR THIS BUDGET CYCLE, WE'RE ACTUALLY, AND YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE BY ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT DELIVERING, YOU KNOW, OVER $20 MILLION IN CAPITAL PROJECTS THIS FISCAL YEAR.
SO AGAIN, IT'S ALL RELATIVE BASED ON GRANTS, FUNDING SOURCES AND, AND THE TIMING OF THE PROJECTS.
SO WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? THIS IS FOR EIGHT 12.
QUESTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.
[Items 8.14, 8.15 & 8.16]
WE HAVE, AND I GOOF BECAUSE I'VE GOT ALL THESE SLIPS HERE THAT ARE KIND OF ALL OVER EACH OTHER.I KNOW WE APPROVE 15, BUT MR. REICH WANTS TO SPEAK ON 14, 15, AND 16.
SO WHY DON'T YOU COME UP ON ALL THREE OF THOSE AND WE'LL VOTE ON 14 AND 16.
THE, THE PEOPLE, THE COMPANY IS ANSWER ADVISORY GRANT MANAGEMENT VILLA 103,000, PRISM EXCESS PR, PRIS, PRISM, EXCESS WC, PREMIUM OPTIONAL EXCESS LIABILITY PROGRAM, 351,100 11,000 EGIL, THE COMPANY DEPUTY DEPUTY BUILDING SERVICES, 24,000 ANSWER MANAGEMENT.
PRELIMINARY DIVINE SERVICE FOR 33 INCH SEWER TRUNK LINE, 19,300 FINANCE, UH, FINANCE, RSW EQUITY ADJUSTMENT PAYMENT 24 24 AND 25 18,330.
THE CITY OF POWERWAY RSW EQUITY ADJUSTMENT PAYMENT, $22,000.
IT COMPLETE PAPERLESS, COMPLETE PAPERLESS LASER FISH, FISH PARTY PANT USERS, POLICE POLICE, THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA ANIMAL CARE SERVICES, 125,000 POLICE EQUIPMENT.
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DIEGO POLICE EQUIPMENT AMMUNITION SUPPLY, 10,200, UH, ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS CIRCUIT TRANSIT, 26,000 FIRE.ARIS HOTELS TI ARIS HOTELS TICKET MGM GRAND HOTEL CASINO, LAS VEGAS, NEVADA $360 LIBRARY, AIRBORNE GLOBAL NETWORK.
UH, DD GIL $101,260, UH, S CONSTRUCTION CON CONSTRUCTION PD POLICE GENERATOR ELECTRICITY UPGRADE, RGN NOBLE PAVE PAVEMENT ATE REHA REHABILITATION HABIT REHABILITATION 1,800,000 ST.
TRAFFIC 107,000 FOR, UH, CALIFORNIA ENGINEERING BIC CAPITAL POLICE CAD UPGRADE FINANCING, 88,000 CITY ATTORNEY CIVIC LABOR GROUP LEGAL SERVICES, 31,000 CITY MANAGER AGENCY FI FISCAL 26.
THIS IS WARRANT ROGERS 16 GOLD SIGN GRAPH BA BICYCLE WAY FINDING PROJECT $207,000 DEVANEY, PEYTON MORRIS, 96,000.
THE CITY ATTORNEY CAMERON AND EVANS LEGAL SERVICES 27,000 ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS BLOCK MODE VAR LAS P PALM MODULAR BUILDING 190 79,000.
UH, GEO SYNTAX AND CAMS CLEANUP, PLA NINA CARMAX, 46,000.
CELEBRATE AND POLICE CELEBRATE CEL.
CELEBRATE, CELEBRATE MOBILE FORENSICS 9,500 AND LG BETA, UH, CEILING FAN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, 6,500.
ALRIGHT, UM, OKAY FOLKS, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE FOR ITEMS 14 AND 16 APPROVAL, MR. MAYOR.
OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
[9.1 Continued Public Hearing: Consideration of Certification of a Negative Declaration for a General Plan Amendment and Zone Change from (RS-2) to (MXC-1) for Properties Located at 3040, 3042-3046, 3102-3104, & 3106-3108 E. 16th St. and 1540 S. Harbison Ave.]
WE GO INTO OUR CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING.THIS IS A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF A CERTIFICATION OF A NEGATIVE DECLARATION ON A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND ZONE CHANGE FROM RS TWO TO MXC ONE FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 30 40 30 42 THROUGH 46, 31 0 2 THROUGH 31 0 4, 31 0 6 THROUGH 31 0 8 EAST 16TH AND 1540 SOUTH HARBISON AVENUE.
UM, I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CITY ATTORNEY BEFORE WE GET A REPORT FROM STAFF.
SO WE, UH, THIS IS A CONTINUED ITEM.
UM, IF YOU RECALL AT THE LAST TIME THIS WAS DECIDED IT WAS A TWO TWO VOTE AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THE MAYOR HAD HAD, UM, RECUSED HIMSELF.
UM, AND THE ISSUE AT THAT TIME IS WHETHER HE HAD A CONFLICT BECAUSE HIS, HE OWNS PROPERTY WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF ONE OF THE PARCELS.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY I DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE CONFLICT AT THAT TIME, AND I ADVISED THE COUNT, UH, THE MAYOR OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION TO RECUSE.
SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE HAD A TIME TO DO A COMPLETE ANALYSIS OF WHETHER OR NOT HE HAS A POTENTIAL CONFLICT AND WE'VE DETERMINED THAT THERE IS NO CONFLICT AND HE IS CLEAR TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS ITEM.
UM, SO AS LONG AS YOU CAN, UH, INDICATE THAT YOU'VE REVIEWED THE PREVIOUS MATERIALS, THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE FINE TO PARTICIPATE.
YES, I DID REVIEW THE, UH, MATERIALS FROM LAST MEETING, UH, THIS AFTERNOON AND SO DID THAT.
AND THE, UH, THE PROPERTY I HAVE IS MY RESIDENCE WHERE I LIVE AND IT'S
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ALMOST EXACTLY A THOUSAND FEET FROM ONE OF THE, FROM ONE OF THE PROPERTIES.IT'S REALLY NOT EVEN AFFECTED BY THIS.
SO, UH, WITH THAT I WILL BE PARTICIPATING.
NEXT, WE I'M GONNA TURN THIS ON OVER AND THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL STAFF, PUBLIC.
UH, OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE HEARD ME GIVE THIS PRESENTATION ONCE BEFORE.
I'LL FLICK THROUGH THIS, UH, FOR THE INTEREST OF TIME.
UH, I KNOW THE MAYOR, MAYOR MAY NOT HAVE SEEN, UH, THE RECORDING OF THIS.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN AREA OF THE EAST SIDE OF THE CITY ON EAST 16TH STREET, EITHER SIDE NORTH AND SOUTH.
HERE'S AN AREA, SO A PART OF THE AREA ALONG 17TH STREET, WHICH IS THE DIRT STREET ON THE BOTTOM.
A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES ON, UH, THIS PART OF THE, THE CITY ARE VACANT IN THE BACK WITH EVERYTHING LOADED TOWARDS 16TH STREET HERE AND 18TH STREET ON THE SOUTH.
OUTSIDE OF THIS PICTURE, UH, THE AREA IN QUESTION, THE PROPERTY THAT THE APPLICANT OWNS IS THE VACANT ONE, PRETTY MUCH RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT PHOTOGRAPH.
THERE ARE OTHER USES NEARBY, INCLUDING APARTMENTS, A LIQUOR STORE AND A DAYCARE FACILITY THAT ARE IN THE SAME ZONE AS THE CURRENT AREA, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY.
AND, UH, THOSE ARE CONSIDERED NON-CONFORMING USES, WHICH I'LL GET BACK TO IN A LITTLE BIT AS A OBLIQUE VIEW FOR YOU TO GET AN IDEA OF THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE AREA.
AND THAT'S LOOKING BACK THE OTHER WAY TO THE WEST.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT, IT SLOPES UP PRETTY WELL.
THERE'S, UH, AN EXISTING LIQUOR STORE AND SOME OF THE APARTMENTS YOU CAN SEE IN THE FOREGROUND THERE.
AND THERE IS A, UH, A 1540 SOUTH HARON AVENUE.
ACROSS THE STREET TO THE NORTH IS A DAYCARE.
SO THIS IS APPROXIMATELY HALF AN ACRE, JUST A LITTLE LESS.
IT IS, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO DO A ZONE CHANGE, WHICH INCORPORATES BOTH A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE LAND USE AND THE ZONE CHANGE.
THAT WAS ALSO A ZONE VARIANCE THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT WOULD COME AS A NOTICE OF DECISION AT A LATER DATE SHOULD THIS, UH, SECTION BE APPROVED.
THE ZONING IS CURRENTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THE, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO CHANGE THAT TO MAJOR MIXED USE OR, UM, A BEG PARDON OF MINOR MIXED USE CORRIDORS, MXC ONE AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE OTHER NONCONFORMING AREAS OR NONCONFORMING PROPERTIES NEARBY, WHICH WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION TO REZONE.
THERE IS A BUS STOP AT 16TH AND HARBISON NEARBY THE PROPERTY.
SO IT IS CONSIDERED TO BE WITHIN THE TRANSIT AREA.
AND, UH, THE MXC ONE ZONE, WHICH IS BEING PROPOSED IS ALSO DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SOUTH ACROSS 17TH STREET ON THE 18TH STREET PROPERTY.
SO AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO, TO REZONE.
THEY DO HAVE A PROJECT IN MIND.
THE REQUEST DOES NOT INCLUDE APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT, BUT THEY HAVE MADE A, A DESIGN GIVEN THE, THE PARAMETERS OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY AND THE CONSTRAINTS MOSTLY BEING, UH, FIRE ACCESS.
UH, IN ORDER TO HAVE MORE THAN 150 FEET FROM THE CURB TO THE BACK CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A FIRE TURNAROUND.
THERE ISN'T ENOUGH SPACE ON THIS LOT 'CAUSE IT'S ONLY 60 FEET WIDE.
THEREFORE THERE ARE ONLY DEVELOPING OR PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THE FRONT HALF OF THE PROPERTY WITH A FIVE UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING.
THAT WOULD BE TWO STORIES HIGH.
THAT IS THE MAXIMUM ENVELOPE THAT THEY CAN DO UNDER THE CURRENT SCENARIO GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS RELATED TO HEIGHT BECAUSE OF UTILITIES AND ALSO THE TURNAROUND THAT I MENTIONED, THE REAR AREA THAT'S VACANT ALONG 17TH WOULD BE CONSIDERED OPEN SPACE.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH THIS APPLICA APPLICANT FOR SOME TIME.
THEY'VE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT OVER THE, OVER THE LAST, UH, ALMOST YEAR NOW FROM, UH, THREE TO TWO STORIES AND FROM SEVEN TO FIVE UNITS.
AND AGAIN, A LOT OF THAT WAS TO DO WITH THE DESIGN PARAMETERS OR CONSTRAINTS WITH FIRE REGULATIONS.
SO THIS IS AN AREA THAT SHOWS THE ZONING MAP.
SO THE YELLOW IS THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING, WHICH HAS BEEN HERE SINCE 2011.
PRIOR TO THAT, IT WAS A MIXTURE OF SINGLE FAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY EXTENDABLE, WHICH ALLOWED ONE UNIT PER 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN THE RED TO THE SOUTH, THAT'S THE MXC ONE ZONE, WHICH IS THE SAME ZONE AS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
SO IT WOULD BE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SHOWN AS A GAP THERE, THAT'S THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY, THE ZONING BOUNDARIES WOULD LINE UP IF IT WERE REZONED.
THE GENERAL PLAN ZONING, UH, ALLOWS CURRENTLY NINE UNITS AN ACRE THAT WOULD GO UP TO 24 UNITS AN ACRE.
IF IT WERE REZONED TO MX C ONE WITH APPROXIMATELY 0.45 OR HALF A UNIT OR HALF A ACRE PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FOUR AND A HALF TO FIVE UNITS DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S DESIGNED.
AND THAT HAPPENS TO BE THE PROJECT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
UH, ALSO A REZONE WOULD CREATE A CONFORMING SITUATION FOR THE CURRENTLY NON-CONFORMING USES NEXT DOOR.
THAT BEING THE TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES, THE LIQUOR STORE AND THE, UH, AREA, THE, UH, BEG PARDON, THE DAYCARE ACROSS THE STREET ON HARBISON.
SO THE, THE SURROUNDING LAND USES ARE, ARE VARIED.
THERE ARE A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THERE ARE PROPERTIES WITH TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THEM.
AND THEN THERE'S THE ONES THAT I TALKED ABOUT.
SO THE DENSITY DOES VARY ANYWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND A HALF TO FIVE AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE.
CURRENTLY, THERE ARE SEVERAL GENERAL PLAN
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POLICIES THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD COMPLY WITH, MOSTLY TO DO WITH PROVIDING ADDITIONAL HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES.UH, THIS IS A CURRENTLY VACANT LOT.
SO WHERE WE WOULD BE GAINING UNITS SHOULD THEY BE BUILT, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO LIVE THERE.
WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE LAND USE CODE AND IT IS CONFORMING, THE PROJECT IS CONFORMING WITH THE LAND USE CODE, WITH ONE EXCEPTION.
THAT BEING THE REQUIREMENT IN THE MXC ONE ZONE OF A 75% STREET WALL, WHICH IS, UH, FOR MIXED USE PROJECTS FOR MIXED USE ZONING.
IT'S INTENDED TO HAVE EVERYTHING WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE TO HAVE A WALKABLE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS ONLY 60 FEET WIDE AND THE REQUIREMENT FOR AT LEAST 18 TO 20 FEET OF, UH, DRIVEWAY THAT PROHIBITS THEM, IT'S PROHIBITIVELY, UH, WELL, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET THAT 75%.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE VARIANCE IS FOR.
THERE WERE FINDINGS MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THAT, UH, TO APPROVE SUCH A THING.
AS FAR AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, WE DID, STAFF DID DO AN INITIAL STUDY AND DETERMINED THAT THIS WAS A NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
THERE WERE NO IMPACTS, SIGNIFICANT OR OTHERWISE THAT WERE IDENTIFIED.
UH, THE VARIANCE ITSELF WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM SQA, BUT THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT ITSELF AND THE REZONE OF ALL FIVE, SIX PROPERTIES THERE WOULD BE, UH, COVERED UNDER THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
SO THIS IS, AS WE MENTIONED, A VACANT, UH, CITED IS CERTAINLY SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UH, THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY FOR A SUBDIVISION CURRENTLY, HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS ISSUES WITH 17TH STREET, IT'S NOT DEVELOPED.
THERE'S A LOT OF TOPOGRAPHY AND SO FORTH.
IT'S IMPRACTICAL, IMPRACTICAL TO DO SO AT THIS STAGE.
ALTHOUGH SHOULD 17TH STREET BE BUILT IN THE FUTURE, THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL UNITS, NOT ONLY FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT FOR OTHERS IN, IN THE AREA, SINGLE FAMILY OR OTHERWISE.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE INCLUSION OF THOSE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY CONSIDERED NONCONFORMING WOULD MAKE THOSE A CONFORMING USE AGAIN.
SO, UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
SO THE OPTIONS TONIGHT, THERE ARE TWO THINGS ON THE TABLE.
ONE IS THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, WHICH IS CHANGING THE LAND USE FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO MINOR MIXED USE.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE ZONE CHANGE, WHICH IS CHANGING FROM RS TWO OR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO MX C ONE, WHICH IS MINOR MIXED USE.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, MINOR MIXED USE CORRIDOR.
SO THE OPTIONS ARE TO, UH, CERTIFY THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION THAT THAT WOULD BE A FIRST STEP IF APPROVAL IS, IS WARRANTED.
AND, UH, TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION FOR THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE ZONE CHANGE AS AN ORDINANCE.
SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AN INTRODUCTION OF THAT ORDINANCE.
THERE WOULD, UH, A BE A A, UH, THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE WOULD COME TO SUBSEQUENT MEETING AS WOULD A NOTICE OF DECISION FOR THE VARIANCE.
IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT STAFF HAS, UH, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO THAT DOES CONCLUDE MY REPORT IF YOU'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PRESENT IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
UM, AT THIS POINT, THIS IS A, WE'LL CONTINUE ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, UH, BEVERLY BINGHAM AND, UH, MIKA POLANCO AND ALICIA MORRISON, PLEASE COME ON.
THIS HAS BEEN LONGER THAN I THOUGHT, SO BEAR WITH ME.
UH, I WANNA THANK MY COUNCILWOMAN FOR, UH, REACHING OUT TO OUR COMMUNITY, UH, REGARDING, UH, THIS ISSUE.
UH, STAR NEWS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I READ VERY OFTEN, BUT I WILL BE, UH, PAYING A LITTLE CLOSER ATTENTION TO THAT.
UH, I AM ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, THAT WILL BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED, UH, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT, UH, ALONG WITH OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA, WE ARE ENCOURAGING COUNCIL TO VOTE NO ON THIS PROPOSAL.
UH, VOTING NO WILL STILL ALLOW DEVELOPMENT OF THAT AREA.
IT JUST WILL NOT BE AT FIVE UNITS.
UH, VOTING NO WILL BASICALLY ALLOW, UH, THE AREA TO CONTINUE AS IT IS THE CURRENT ZONING, RSS TWO WILL ALLOW FOR THREE TO FOUR UNITS.
UH, I BELIEVE THAT PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS, UH, EXPRESSED THAT AT PAST MEETINGS, UH, IT'LL PROVIDE HOUSING AND IT'LL KEEP THE GROWTH TO A MINIMUM.
UH, ANYTHING BEYOND THAT IS JUST TOO MUCH FOR THAT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, THIS SMALL CORNER OF DISTRICT THREE IS ALREADY OVERBUILT.
UH, ALONG WITH THE
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UH, INCREASING THIS AREA WILL ALSO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF AIR AND NOISE POLLUTION THAT WE DEAL WITH.IT'S ALSO A MAIN THOROUGHFARE FOR FIRE, POLICE, UH, AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
UH, WE, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET, GET OUT AND WALK THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONE OF THOSE DRAWINGS UP THERE.
THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAD IT SHOWED IN THE YELLOW ZONE.
THOSE ARE BASICALLY, I BELIEVE, UH, RSS TWO ZONES.
AND THAT IF YOU TRAVEL DOWN 16TH STREET FROM SOUTH HARBISON TO EUCLID, YOU'LL FIND TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
EVERYTHING ELSE IN THAT COMMUNITY.
UH, ALICIA MORRISON TO BE FOLLOWED BY DOYLE MORRISON.
THIS CITY HAS SO MANY INCONSISTENCIES WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING, REZONING, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, BACK TO RESIDENTIAL TO MIXED NEWS.
DOES THIS COUNCIL FLIP A COIN TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS OR DO THEY FOLLOW THE MOON CYCLES? OR IS IT JUST THE COMMUNITY REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A LOCAL LIQUOR STORE TO MAKE A ZONE CHANGE? MAKING THIS TYPE OF ZONE CHANGE FROM RS TWO TO MX C ONE FOR A TWO STORY FIVE UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING IS SUCH WASTEFUL GOVERNMENT SPENDING ALL THAT TIME THAT THE PLANNING HAD TO SPEND GOING THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF.
I OPPOSED THIS MX C ONE ZONE CHANGE.
CATCH NEXT BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, MIKA POLANCO TO BE FOLLOWED BY LISA MCCART.
SORRY, MAYOR, WE'RE IN THE OVERFLOW ROOM.
AND THERE IS A DELAY IN THERE.
SO I DIDN'T HEAR MY NAME CALLED, SO NO PROBLEM.
I CAME AS SOON AS I HEARD IT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW.
ANYWAYS, GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL.
CHANGING THIS ZONE FROM RS TWO TO MX ONE IS WRONG.
UH, FOR MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ALONG 16TH STREET IN THAT AREA, IT SMELLS LIKE NATIONAL CITY IS COVERING THEIR TRACKS FOR WHEN THEY CHANGED THE RS TWO IN THE FIRST PLACE AND CREATED THE NON-COMPLIANCE AND IN INCONSISTENCIES.
UM, THESE TYPE OF ACTIONS IS WHY NATIONAL CITY IS BURDENED WITH LAND USE LAWSUITS.
BY THE WAY, THE MAYOR'S PROPERTY IS 960 FEET FROM THE DAYCARE, NOT A THOUSAND.
UH, MIKA BLANCO, THE FOLLOWED BY LUISA MCCARTHY.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT DAY I MEANT
ANYWAYS, UH, I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE, UH, YOU SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, UH, DOING THIS STUDY OF, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, DOING THE GENERAL PLAN CHANGE AND US POLICY MAKERS SEW THIS AS AN MX C ONE, THEN YOU CHANGED IT TO RS TWO.
NOW YOU WANNA CHANGE IT BACK TO MX C ONE.
I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS, UH, TREND KEEPS REPEATING ITSELF OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
CAN YOU IMAGINE IF EVERY CITY WORKED THIS WAY WHERE THEY'RE JUST KIND OF PIECEMEALING AS THEY GO ALONG? OH, WELL, THIS ONE LOOKS, UH, LIKE AN M MC, UH, D TWO TODAY AND TOMORROW MY RECIPE RESIDENTIAL AND THE NEXT DAY IT MIGHT BE MXC ONE.
WE'VE GOTTA HAVE LEADERSHIP THAT STUDIES THE ENTIRE CITY AND STICKS TO ONE PLAN SO THAT SOME PROPERTY OWNERS ARE NOT BENEFITED VERSUS OTHER OWNERS.
THERE HAS TO BE JUST, IT HAS TO BE, UH, EQUAL FOR ALL.
IT CAN'T JUST BE SOME YES, SOME NO.
YOU KNOW, YOU KEEP SAYING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO BE THE ONE THAT INITIATES THESE, UH, CHANGES.
WHO MAKES THE POLICY CHANGES? WHO DOES? WHO MAKES THE DECISION TO CHANGE THE ZONING AND CHANGE THE GENERAL PLAN? YOU DO.
SO, UH, AS WE CLOSE THIS YEAR, PLEASE, PLEASE, I URGE YOU TO, TO, TO DO INDEPENDENT STUDIES, FOLLOW A PLAN AND STICK TO AN EQUITABLE PLAN FOR ALL INVOLVED SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE WITH LAWSUITS.
LOUISA MCCARTHY BE FOLLOWED BY AND I KNOW I'M GONNA MESS
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UP THESE NAMES.I MEAN, GEEZ, SHE TOOK A LOT OF MY PUNCHES.
BUT EITHER WAY, A MASTER PLAN IS IN PLACE FOR A REASON.
WE NEED TO RESPECT IT AND SEE WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING FOR THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL, BOTH THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE RESIDENTS.
BUT IT HAS TO BE FAIR AND DONE CORRECTLY.
SADLY, THE PEOPLE THAT DO WANNA MAKE RIGHT CHOICES AND PERHAPS FOLLOW THE RULES, LIKE THE ONE CITY MANAGER THAT WE ONCE HAD TRYING TO PUT IN LINE, UH, DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS AND, UH, SEEING FORTH THE THINGS ARE DONE RIGHT, GETS CANNED LIKE TUNA.
THEN WE HAVE THE HUMAN RESOURCES LADY THAT IS NOW GONE WANTING TO DO HER JOB AND PLACE DISCIPLINARY ACTION TO YOUR SECRETARY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RON AND SHE'S GONE TO, SHE DECIDED TO LEAVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS PRESSURED IS WHAT THE WORD SAYS.
AND SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING GET SMEARED IN A FALSE, UH, ACCUSATION.
MAYBE JUST, MAYBE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND PUT PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING THAT USE THEIR EDUCATION, THAT USE THE STUDIES AND TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THE PEOPLE AND HOW THINGS CAN DAMAGE THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF, I DON'T KNOW, GETTING EXTRA TIME ON VACATION.
UH, LITTLE, LITTLE, UH, PICK ME UPS HERE AND THERE, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THE CITY HERE IS RUN LIKE SESAME STREET.
EVERYBODY'S DOING THEIR OWN THING.
UH, KORAN BE FOLLOWED BY SU AND THEN MESS THIS NAME UP REALLY BAD.
IF YOU, I, I WANT TO SHARE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE ZONE CHANGE IS DENIED.
I WILL LOSE A $16,000 A PERMIT FEES.
IT WOULD ABLE TO BUILD ONLY A PRIMARY RESIDENCE THERE AND A LOT AND A SMALL A DU WITH THE CURRENT ZONING RULES.
IT, IT WOULD NOT GIVE ME AND MY WIFE TO ENHANCE THE RETIRED LIFE.
TO LIVE IN A PRIMARY RESIDENCE LIVING SIDE BY SIDE IN SUCH A LIMITED SPACE, IT WOULD FEEL WAYS YOU NOT SUPPORT YOU.
OUR DREAM IS TO HAVE HOME LARGE ENOUGH TO US TO COMFORTABLY AND STILL LIVE WITH OUR DAUGHTER AND GIVE A SPACE NOT IN A CROWDED THEM.
THIS LOT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR LAST 30 YEARS.
WITH YOUR APPROVAL, IT CAN FINALLY BECOME A MODEST FIVE UNITS WHERE MY DAUGHTER CAN RAISE HER CHILDREN.
AND WHERE MY WIFE AND I CAN RETIRE HERE WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL, IT MAY NOT, IT MAY STAY EMPTY OR MAY HOLD A SMALL UNIT WHICH CANNOT MEET OUR FAMILY NEEDS.
I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT TONIGHT TO, TO DO THAT LAND DOES NOT REMAIN WE ESTATE AND, BUT INSTEAD BECOME A TRUE HOME FOR A MULTIGENERATION FOR OUR FAMILY.
THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE, IT'S MORE THAN JUST UNITS TO MY FAMILY.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO BUILD A HOME FOR MY FUTURE FAMILY AND MY CURRENT FAMILY.
I PLAN TO LIVE IN ONE OF THESE UNITS MYSELF, RAISE MY CHILDREN HERE AND WALK THEM TO THE PRESCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET.
I INTEND TO RETIRE MY PARENTS IN ANOTHER ONE OF THESE UNITS AND FINALLY GIVE THEM A REAL SHOT AT THE AMERICAN DREAM THAT THEY HAVE WORKED SO HARD FOR.
THE MAIN CONCERNS I'VE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS ARE ABOUT RESIDENT BEHAVIOR AND ABOUT PARKING.
BUT RESIDENT BEHAVIOR IS NOT A ZONING ISSUE.
WITH MY FAMILY AND I LIVING ON THIS PROPERTY, GOOD SELECTION OF RESIDENTS WILL BE OUR TOP PRIORITY ON PARKING.
EVEN THOUGH THIS SITE IS IN A HIGH TRANSIT AREA WHERE NO PARKING IS REQUIRED, WE HAVE LISTENED TO THE CONCERNS OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND PAID AN ADDITIONAL $4,000 OUT OF OUR OWN POCKET IN VARIANCE TO PROVIDE ONSITE PARKING FOR THE LOT.
OVER THE PAST YEAR, WE HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH CITY PLANNING AND INVESTED OVER $20,000 OF OUR OWN MONEY IN THIS PROCESS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ALREADY
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APPROVED RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AFTER HEARING THESE SOLUTIONS TO OUR NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS.THIS IS NOT ABOUT A BIG DEVELOPER KEEPING THE STATUS QUO OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S ABOUT ONE FAMILY BUILDING A MODEST HOME THAT FITS THE COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY CHARACTER, AND CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE NEXT GENERATION OF YOUNG FAMILIES.
THE LIVES OF OUR NEIGHBORS WILL, WILL REMAIN LARGELY UNAFFECTED.
OTHER THAN A FEW MORE SMILING FACES RIGHT AROUND THE BLOCK, I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT TONIGHT SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN MAKING OUR MULTI-GENERATIONAL FAMILY HOME A DREAM FOR REALITY.
UH, I AM THE OWNER OF 30 40 EAST 16TH STREET.
MY DREAM IS TO RETIRE IN ONE OF THESE HOMES THAT MY DAUGHTER IS BUILDING.
FOR ME, WITHOUT THIS ZONE CHANGE, MY HUSBAND AND I WOULD BE LIMITED TO MUCH SMALLER A DU THAT WOULD NOT MEET OUR NEEDS.
OVER THE PAST YEAR, I HAVE WATCHED MY DAUGHTER STEP UP AS A LEADER IN THIS COMMUNITY.
SHE HAS ADVOCATED TO BRING NEARBY MULTIFAMILY HOMES AND BUSINESSES INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY AT NO COST TO THEM.
THROUGH THIS RE ZONE, SHE HAS HIRED SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES FOR CLEANUP AND MAINTENANCE ON OUR PROPERTY.
SHE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA TO GIVE AWAY FREE FIREWOOD TO LOCALS FROM THE TREES WE CLEARED.
ALSO, I HAVE SEEN AN ARTIST PICKING UP THOSE WOODS AND THEN MAKING THE BALLS OUT OF IT.
SHE HAS BEEN VERY GOOD PROPER.
SHE HAS BEEN VERY GOOD RESOURCE TO THE COMMUNITY AROUND THAT, UH, BUILDING.
EVEN THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED INCLUDED PARKING, WHICH WAS A CONCERN WASTE I HEARD BY TALKING TO OUR NEIGHBORS.
YOU ALL HAVE ALSO HEARD A PROPOSAL FOR DEVELOPMENT OF EAST 17TH STREET TO ALLOW THE FULL STREET OF NEIGHBORS TO USE THE BACK HALF OF THEIR LOTS.
SO NATIONAL CITY NEEDS THIS KIND OF DEVELOPER.
SOMEONE WHO INVOLVES NOT JUST IN LAND, BUT IN PEOPLE AROUND THEM FOR BUILDING A BEAUTIFUL AND THEN WONDERFUL COMMUNITY.
IF THIS DRONE CHANGE IS NOT APPROVED, WE WILL LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A MEANINGFUL PLACE FOR EVERY, UH, NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS HAVING A GOOD COMMUNITY AROUND US.
ALSO, WE WILL BE LOSING OUR INVESTMENT OF TIME AND MONEY.
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE THERE WILL BE, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY MISSED TO HAVE A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY AROUND THAT PLACE.
THAT PLACE WAS BACK AND FORTH 30 YEARS AND THEN STILL IT IS LOOKING LIKE A DRY LAND.
WE WANT TO MAKE IT A WONDERFUL PLACE FOR, UH, BUILDING A BETTER COMMUNITY.
ALRIGHT, I SEE WE ALSO HAVE SOME, UH, YOU HAVE SOME ON ZOOM FOR THIS ONE? WE DO.
UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS UL ARI AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS ZONE CHANGE.
THIS REZONING MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY BENEFITS TO APPROVING IT.
OUR PROJECT ADDS FIVE HOMES THAT FIT NATURALLY INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETWEEN A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON ONE SIDE AND MULTI-UNIT BUILDINGS ON THE OTHER.
IT'LL ALLOW OUR FAMILIES TO LIVE IN A MULTI-GENERATIONAL STYLE THAT NOT JUST US, BUT MANY IMMIGRANT FAMILIES ARE ACCUSTOMED TO.
IT ALSO FIXES AN OLD PROBLEM FOR THE 2011 CITYWIDE REZONE, WHERE SEVERAL NEARBY PROPERTIES, INCLUDING APARTMENTS OF PRESCHOOL AND A SMALL BUSINESS, WERE MISTAKENLY CHANGED TO SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.
TODAY, THOSE SITES CANNOT BE REBUILT OF A, IF A DISASTROUS TRUCK ARE, WE RARELY GOING TO WAIT UNTIL SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS TO REVISIT THIS REZONE CHANGE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR, NOT JUST TO THE OWNERS OF THOSE PROPERTIES, BUT ALSO TO THE RESIDES OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHO BENEFIT FROM THESE BUSINESSES.
NATIONAL CITY'S 5,500 NEW HOMES BY 2029 TO MEET HOUSING DEMANDS AND SMALL INFIELD PROJECTS LIKE THIS HELP MEET THAT GOAL.
WE'VE LISTENED TO OUR NEIGHBORS AND WE'VE PAID $4,000 IN VARIANCE SPACE TO PROVIDE ONSITE PARKING.
MY SISTER AND PARENTS WILL BE RESIDENTS THEMSELVES.
SO WE HAVE EVERY INCENTIVE TO HAVE THE BEST SELECTION.
THE LIVES OF ALL THE NEIGHBORS HERE WILL REMAIN LARGELY UNCHANGED BY THIS REZONE.
THIS PROCESS HAS TAKEN A YEAR AND NEARLY $20,000 FOR EVEN GETTING TO BUILD A PER BEFORE EVEN GETTING TO A BUILDING PERMIT.
I ASKED THE COMMUNITY OF NATIONAL CITY, SHOULD IT REALLY TAKE MUCH, SHOULD IT REALLY TAKE THIS MUCH TIME FOR US TO DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR YOUR COMMUNITY? THIS REZONE IS FAIR, IT'S REASONABLE, AND IT'S GOOD FOR NATIONAL CITY.
GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER.
I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF UMB DEMOCRATS FOR SAN DIEGO.
UMB STANDS FOR YES, IN MY BACKYARD.
WE ARE DEMOCRATS WHO BELIEVE THAT EVERY COMMUNITY SHOULD WELCOME MORE HOUSING BECAUSE SAYING YES TO HOMES IS HOW WE MAKE SAN DIEGO COUNTY MORE AFFORDABLE, EQUITABLE, AND SUSTAINABLE.
NATIONAL CITY AS A STATE MADE GOAL OF BUILDING 5,500 UNITS, UH, 2029 PROJECTS LIKE THIS ZONE CHANGE TO BUILD FIVE UNITS ARE THE EXACT TYPE
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OF INFILL HOUSING.WE NEED SMALL AND SCALE FAMILY FOCUSED AND TURNING LONG VACANT LAND INTO HOMES FOR REAL PEOPLE.
HOUSING IS NOT JUST A POLICY ISSUE, IT'S A CORE DEMOCRATIC VALUE.
FAMILIES ACROSS OUR CITY ARE WATCHING TO SEE WHICH LEADERS WILL STEP UP TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING CRISIS AND WHICH ONES CLAIM TO SUPPORT HOUSING, BUT WILL STAND IN THE WAY AS CANDIDATES SEEK DEMOCRATIC PARTIES ENDORSEMENTS, VOTES LIKE THIS MATTER.
THEY SHOW WHETHER WE CAN TRUST OUR LEADERS TO PRIORITIZE WHAT THEY CLAIM ABOUT HOUSING SOLUTIONS OR WHETHER THEY WILL KEEP SAYING NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
ON BEHALF OF VMB DEMOCRATS, I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
LET'S SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE THAT NATIONAL CITY IS DOING.
ITS PART THAT SMALL SCALE HOUSING HAS A PLACE HERE AND THAT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS CAN BE COUNTED ON TO, TO LEAD ON THE HOUSING CRISIS.
DEMOCRATS CANNOT CLAIM TO STAND FOR WORKING FAMILIES WHILE VOTING AGAINST HOMES FOR THEM.
HI, MY NAME IS FLORENCE CRICK AND I'M A RESIDENT OF SAN DIEGO.
MY FAMILY OWNED 30 42 THROUGH 46 AND A HALF EAST 16TH STREET IN 1971.
AT THAT TIME, IT WAS ZONED WHEN WE PURCHASED IT TO BUILD FIVE TO 30 UNITS.
IT WAS CHANGED BY THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY AND THEY DID NOT NOTIFY US.
WE WANTED TO BUILD MORE UNITS IN THE VACANT LOT IN 1992.
BUILDING MORE UNITS WILL HELP LOW, UH, INCOME.
SECTION EIGHT FAMILIES IN NATIONAL CITY AND JOBS.
WE OWN THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING AT 12 45, 12 47 HIGHLAND AVENUE.
WE HAVE HOMELESS VETS LIVING ON OUR SIDEWALKS AND PARKING LOTS.
WE JUST RENTED TO A HOMELESS VET, UH, TO VASH TWO WEEKS AGO.
WE DO HAVE OVER EIGHT SECTION EIGHT TENANTS THAT SOME HAVE BEEN WITH US FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
I'M IN FAVOR OF REZONING AND FOR THE BEST AND HIGHEST USE OF THE KOSH FAMILY'S PROPERTY.
AND MAYOR, WE HAVE, UH, THREE WRITTEN COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM.
AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR, OUR COMMENTS.
UM, WITH THAT, THAT IS ALL THE, UH, SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE ON THAT.
SO I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE WOULD, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, MOVE TO PUBLIC CLOSE HEARING.
MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
SO YOU HAVE NO DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.
UH, NOW IT'S TIME FOR DELIBERATION.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I SHOULD, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD BE, IF THERE'S ANY DISCLOSURES, WE SHOULD MAKE 'EM AT THIS POINT.
I DID, UH, UH, WALK THE PROPERTY WITH THE PROPONENT.
AND, UH, TO LOOK OVER THE PROPERTY INSTALLED GATED AND FENCED UP NOW.
UM, BUT AS I SAY, SO I DID, I, UH, DID WALK THE PROPERTY WITH THEM.
AND I ALSO WALKED THE PROPERTY AND I SPOKE TO THE APPLICANT THROUGH THE CHAIR UHHUH I, UH, WALK, UH, THE PROPERTY WITH MY ASSISTANT AND, UH, PUT OUT A NOTICE, UM, TO THE RESIDENTS, 300 FEET WITHIN THAT, UM, PROPERTY, UM, PROPERTY, UM, UM, 30 0 3, 0 4 0.
'CAUSE UM, SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTS SAY THEY DID NOT RECEIVE THE NOTICE.
SO THAT IS MY, UH, I WANT THEM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK UP OR FOREVER HOLD THEIR PEACE.
SEEING ANY OTHER DISCLOSURES? UM, I WOULD ASK ON OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR, UH, DID WE, UH, WAS THERE MAILINGS MADE OUT ON, UH, FOR THIS, UM, ITEM? UH, YES, MAYOR, THERE WERE, UH, THREE, ACTUALLY THREE DIFFERENT MAILINGS THAT WERE DONE.
ONE WAS DONE FOR, ACTUALLY THERE WERE TWO DONE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ANOTHER ONE FOR TO, UH, NOT TONIGHT'S MEETING, BUT THE PREVIOUS PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, UH, AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL.
AND, UH, THAT'S 300 FEET FROM THE BOUNDARIES OF THE ALL OF THE PROPERTIES TO BE REZONED.
AND THAT'S PROPERTY OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS.
OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE VACANT, BUT ANYWHERE WHERE PEOPLE, UH, LIVE OR OWN, THEY WOULD'VE GOTTEN A NOTICE.
WE DID HAVE TO REDO THE PLANNING COMMISSION NOTICE ONCE, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T INCLUDE 1540 HARVESTING AS PART OF THAT 300 FEET.
'CAUSE AT THE TIME, THEY HADN'T SIGNED OR, UM, SIGNED ONTO THE APPLICATION.
SO WE, WE HAD, WE DID SEND THAT OUT.
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YEAH, WE DON'T DO, UH, YOU KNOW, RETURN, UH, SORRY, I FORGET WHAT YOU CALL IT.THE ONE WE HAVE TO SIGN FOR AND SEND IT BACK.
WE DON'T DO THAT FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S A LARGE MAILING.
SO I GUESS WE CAN'T ALWAYS TELL WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHO GETS WHAT, BUT OR IF THEY OPEN THEIR MAIL.
UH, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ON FOR THAT ONE.
WHAT, UH, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? ANYTHING ELSE? UM, YES, THANK YOU MAYOR.
UH, IN 2011, THIS WAS, UH, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE.
UM, ZONED, REZONED THE PROPERTY FROM AN FROM A-X-M-X-D ONE TO AN RS TWO.
AND MAYOR, YOU WERE THE, IT WAS A GENERAL PLAN UPDATE.
THE ENTIRE, UM, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UM, WAS, UH, REVISITED, UH, STUDIED.
AND, UH, THIS AREA WAS FOUND DUE TO THE DENSITY AND DUE TO THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IS AN R TWO.
SO, AND I'M SURE THAT, UM, THE MAYOR WHO WAS HERE BEFORE HAD STUDIED THAT, UH, PROPERTY AS WELL.
SO FOUR OF THOSE PROPERTIES, THE NURSERY AND THE LIQUOR STORE WERE, UM, DESIGNATED OR GRANDFATHERED AS NON-COMPLIANCE.
SO THE POLICY MAKERS THEN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE AN NONCONFORMING ZONE IN AN RSS TWO, UM, ZONING.
SO, SO NOW YOU WILL LOOK AT THE MAP AND THERE'S A STRIP OF LAND THAT WAS PURCHASED LAST YEAR, AND THEY KNOW THAT IT IS AN RSS TWO AND THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
AN RS TWO CAN BUILD UP TO THREE PROPERTIES, AND IF THEY EXERCISE THE, THE, UH, STATE MANDATE OF AN A DU, THEY WILL HAVE SIX.
IT DOESN'T IT THAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE STUDY WAS MADE, THERE WAS AN ACCEPTED NON-CONFORMANCE PROPERTIES IN THAT S TWO, UM, ZONING.
SO NOW WE'RE CHANGING IT BECAUSE, UM, SO I, I BELIEVE THAT BASED ON THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT HARBOR ZONE AND E 16, AND YOU CAN, YOU WALKED IT, MAY YOU, YOU LIVE ALMOST THERE.
IT'S MY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S MY WAY TO AND FROM, FROM, FROM MY HOME TO THE OFFICE.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS THERE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FOUGHT FOR THIS RS TWO WHEN IN 2011 WHEN THE, UH, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE, UM, WAS BEING STUDIED AND BEING, UM, UM, REZONED.
SO, UM, I, I WOULD, UM, OPPOSE THIS, UM, THIS, UM, UM, AGENDA ITEM, UM, MR. MAYOR, DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT.
WE ALREADY ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT THERE ARE TWO NON-CONFORMING, UM, AREAS THERE.
YOU THINK THOSE AREAS WILL REDEVELOP? I BET YOU'RE NOT LIQUOR STORE.
WHEN DO YOU SEE LIQUOR STORE REDEVELOPING? IN OUR AREA? NO.
THE, THE, THE, UM, THE SCHOOL.
AND THEN THOSE TWO APARTMENTS, I DON'T THINK SO EITHER.
SO YOU ARE, YOU ARE DISTURBING A, UH, ZONE THAT YOU HAVE STUDIED TO BE RS TWO.
SO, UH, I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE DENSITY AND THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO PURCHASED THE PROPERTY LAST YEAR KNEW VERY WELL THAT THIS IS AN RSS TWO ZONING.
SO I, I OPPOSED THE ZONING CHANGE.
UH, WELL I, LET ME, UH, LET ME JUST SAY, UH, MY NAME GOT BROUGHT UP A FEW TIMES THERE.
IN 2011 WE DID DO A GENERAL PLAN UPDATE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT WE PUSHED BACK ON WHAT WAS SOME OF THE TRENDS TO OVERLY DENSIFY OUR CITY.
UM, AND SO WE, EVERYWHERE WE COULD, WE TRIED TO PUSH THAT BACK.
THERE'S A PROBLEM THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE 2011.
SACRAMENTO HAS CHANGED THE PLAYING FIELD AND CONSTANTLY WITH THE LAWS THAT THEY HAVE WRITTEN, MAKE IT HARDER TO WHERE YOU CAN PUT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
THEY MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT SO THAT CITIES CAN MAKE REVENUE AND, AND YOU CAN HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES GOING ON AND AT THE SAME TIME WHERE HOUSING HAS TO BE BY RIGHT? AND YOU JUST HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO GO CRAZY WITH IT.
AND OUR NUMBERS, THEY, WHAT THEY CALL THE ARENA, THE REGIONAL, UH, HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT ARE THROUGH THE ROOF FOR NATIONAL CITY.
UM, SO WE WERE TRYING TO PUSH BACK AT THAT TIME.
THE PROBLEM IS THE LAWS HAVE CHANGED AND NOW THEY'RE DEMANDING
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WHEREVER POSSIBLE MORE HOUSING.THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT IT TO WHERE YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF HOUSING, UH, INDIVIDUAL HOUSING OR IN THIS CASE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PUT BACK UP THE SLIDE, UH, ONE, ONE OF THE EARLIER SLIDES THAT SHOWS THE AERIAL OF THAT, THAT AREA.
LET'S, LET'S GO THROUGH IT HERE.
UH, SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS WHERE YOU SEE THE BLUE TARP, THAT IS THE LIQUOR STORE THAT IS THERE.
THEN YOU HAVE A LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHICH IS THOSE TWO PINK BUILDINGS.
THEN YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX THERE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE VACANT LOT.
AND AS YOU SEE, THOSE ARE EXTREMELY LONG LOTS GO THROUGH AN ENTIRE BLOCK.
AND, UH, SO THEY GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHAT IS A PAPER STREET, 16TH STREET.
SO IT IS NOT OUTTA CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND PARTICULARLY SINCE WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS SMALLER THAN THE, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE YELLOW ONE THERE, THAT'S ONE THAT'S NEXT TO THE PINK IS SMALLER THAN THAT.
SO ACTUALLY YOU'RE GOING DOWN IN SIZE.
IF IT WAS THE SIZE, IF THEY WERE, WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT WAS, WHAT IS THAT, UH, THAT PINK ONE THERE, I WOULD SAY, YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU GOT TOO MUCH GOING ON THERE.
BUT THEY WENT DOWN FROM SEVEN UNITS DOWN TO FIVE UNITS, UH, PUT IN FOR THE, UH, THE TURNAROUND FOR THE FIRE ENGINE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE'RE DEALING WITH A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES THAT SACRAMENTO HAS PUT UPON US TODAY IN 2025 THAN WE HAD IN 2011.
AND WE ARE, WE'RE FORCED TO RECOGNIZE THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, SO I HATE TO ATE IT WHEN WE'RE GONNA TRY TO USE, YOU KNOW, USE SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DENSIFY SOME AREAS.
OUR AREA, THE IDEA IS TO FIND OUT WHERE DO WE DO AS MINIMUM DENSIFICATION THAT WILL IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY AND YET STILL MAKE SOME NUMBERS.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY SPOTS.
UM, AND, UH, AND I APPRECIATE THE ONE NATIONAL CITY RESIDENT THAT SPOKE AGAINST IT, THAT'S THERE.
UH, THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT NATIONAL CITY RESIDENTS THAT WERE SPEAKING AGAINST THIS.
SO THE, UH, UM, I, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A LARGE VACANT LOT THERE THAT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES IF THERE IS A PLACE TO PUT IT.
AND THEY'RE PUTTING IN EXTRA PARKING, THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE, UH, THE, THE CUTOUT FOR THE FIRE ENGINE, UH, SO THAT IT CAN, IT CAN GO THROUGH THERE.
TO ME, IF THERE'S A PLACE WHERE WE ARE GONNA PUT SOME DENSITY, AND THIS IS ONLY FIVE UNITS, TO ME, THIS IS THE PLACE THAT WE NEED TO DO IT.
UH, THE LAST THING I'D WANNA SEE IS WHAT THE STATE IS TRYING TO PUSH UPON US IS TEARING DOWN AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ENTIRELY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND PUT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
THAT'S WHAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN, BUT I'VE GOTTA, BUT I'VE GOTTA KIND OF DEAL WITH SOME OF THE REALITIES THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
UM, AND BECAUSE IF WE DON'T ON THIS, I GOTTA SEE WHAT AREAS THAT WE CAN PUT ANY DENSITY AND TO FIGHT, FIGHT WHAT SACRAMENTO'S WANTING TO DO TO US, MR. MAYOR, YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT THEY, THEY CAN STILL BUILD IN THAT LOT IF THEY WANTED TO.
AN RS TWO CAN BUILD THREE HOUSES THERE AND THEN, UM, AND FOLLOW THE SAFETY REGULAR REGULATIONS THAT FIRE, UM, WILL BE FOLLOWING ALSO THROUGH CODES AND THROUGH THEIR FIRE REGULATORY, UH, SAFETY ISSUES.
SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UM, REALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY.
LOOK AT THE CHARACTERISTIC OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, MR. MAYOR.
IT'S SO DENSE ALREADY, RIGHT? SO I, I BELIEVE THAT ALLOWING THIS FOR YOU TO HAVE VOTED IN 2011 AND ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT WE'LL BE TWO NONCONFORMING UNITS IN RS TWO, AND THEN NOW YOU'RE CHANGING IT BECAUSE YOU SAID CA SACRAMENTO IS, YOU KNOW, MANDATING US.
WE HAVE A, A GENERAL PLAN UPDATE THAT WE SAID WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW.
THAT'S WHY WE, YOU IN 2011 SPEND MONEY TO STUDY THAT, A GENERAL PLAN AND MADE SURE THAT THIS DENSITY HERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU LIVE IN WILL BE RESPECTED.
SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I I I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS VERY EASY FOR YOU TO SAY, OH, WE GRANDFATHERED THAT AND NOW WE'RE CHANGING IT BECAUSE SACRAMENTO'S DOING THIS FOR US.
THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT REASON, MAYOR.
WELL, I'LL JUST SAY IN RESPONSE TO THAT, THEN
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WE'LL LET, UH, REMEMBER RODRIGUEZ SPEAK IS THAT INDEED IT WAS A GENERAL PLAN UPDATE.IT WAS NOT A SPECIFIC PLAN UPDATE.
AND WE DO CONSTANTLY TAKE A LOOK AND MAKE CHANGES, UH, WITHIN THAT GENERAL PLAN.
WE DO IT BECAUSE YOU CANNOT TAKE A, YOU CANNOT IN ADVANCE.
AND 'CAUSE WE DO THESE THINGS VERY INFREQUENTLY, YOU CANNOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT EVERY CONSIDERATION.
AND SO THAT'S THE REASON IT'S CALLED A GENERAL PLAN.
AND IT WAS A CITYWIDE GENERAL PLAN.
NOW THEN, MR. RODRIGUEZ, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR A VERY LONG TIME NOW.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE APPLICANTS FOR COMING NUMEROUS TIMES TO COUNSEL.
JUST TO, FOR CLAR, FOR CLARIFICATION, HOW MANY UNITS, IF THEY, IF IT REMAINS IN THE R TWO ZONING, HOW MANY UNITS WOULD BE ABLE TO BE BUILT WITH OUR CURRENT A DU LAWS? UH, SURE.
UH, MR. RODRIGUEZ, THE, WITHOUT SPLITTING THE LOT, IT WOULD BE FOUR UNDER SB NINE, WHICH IS, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR A DUPLEX AND TWO, UH, TWO, UH, DETACHED ADUS.
THE DENSITY IN THAT LOT DOES ALLOW FOR A SUBDIVISION, BUT AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, THE FIRE TURNAROUND REQUIREMENT PROHIBITS ANYTHING ELSE FROM HAPPENING WITHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF 17TH STREET IN THIS LOCATION.
SO THE MAX WOULD BE FOUR UNDER THE, UNDER THE CURRENT, YEAH.
BUT THE, THE OWNER WOULD HAVE TO LIVE THERE.
UM, I'M VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF DEVELOPMENT AND YOU KNOW, WE JUST WENT THROUGH A FOCUS, GENERAL PLAN UPDATE.
UM, LAST YEAR WE HAD IT GOING ON FOR THREE YEARS.
WE ACTUALLY UPZONED A LOT OF OUR TRANSIT CORRIDORS TO ALLOW FOR DENSER DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE EVEN CREATED A, A HOUSE NATIONAL CITY PROGRAM TO ALLOW FOR EVEN DENSER DEVELOPMENT ON TRANSIT CORRIDORS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR ME, I'M VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT I, THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS THE, UH, PERCEPTION OF SPOT ZONING.
BECAUSE WE'VE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THIS, THIS PARTICULAR YEAR AND LAST YEAR WITH ANOTHER PROJECT WHERE WE ARE SEEMINGLY CHANGING THE RULES BASED ON WHATEVER ARBITRARY THING WE BELIEVE.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD GO THROUGH OUR ZONING EXERCISES LIKE WE HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES.
UM, THINK OF IT THOROUGHLY MODIFY THE ZONING OF NEED BE AND, AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND, AND, AND MOVE FORWARD.
BUT I THINK DOING THIS ARBITRARILY AND MOVING IT BACK AND FORTH CREATES A LOT OF ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT I THINK, UH, UH, SO I, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST BE MUCH MORE CONSISTENT AND, YOU KNOW, TO THE APPLICANTS, IF, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD, YOU'RE ABLE TO DEVELOP.
IF NOT, YOU'RE STILL ABLE TO DEVELOP A LOT OF UNITS, RIGHT? SO FOUR UNITS ON THE PROPERTY, SO IT ISN'T ANTI-DEVELOPMENT.
I JUST WISH WE WOULD HAVE MORE CONSISTENCY AND WOULD NOT DO SPOT ZONING.
AND WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THIS JUST THIS PAST YEAR.
UM, UM, AND THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.
I APPRECIATE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER DE THIS YAMANI BECAUSE THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT.
AND I, I HEAR YOU ABOUT YOUR OPPOSITION AND, UM, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS THAT, UH, EMAILED AND, AND HAD CONCERNS.
UH, THE ONE THAT CAME BEFORE US ABOUT, UH, UM, UH, TRAFFIC AND PARKING.
I, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THE CITY STAFF DID A GOOD JOB AND ANALYZING THE PROJECT.
UM, I ALSO DO AG AGREE WITH YOU? I DON'T AGREE WITH THE MAYOR'S CHARACTERIZATION OF SACRAMENTO.
WE ALWAYS BATTLE ABOUT THIS, ABOUT SACRAMENTO 'CAUSE WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS AND I THINK THE, OUR STATE LEADERS, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE DOING MORE OF A JOB AND, UM, AND, UM, ALLOWING PROPERTY OWNERS TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY.
AND YES, YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE, UH, CHARACTER.
AND I THINK THIS PROJECT DOES THAT.
WE WENT THROUGH, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION.
THEY APPROVED, WE WENT THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE ANALYSIS, STAFFED IT, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU MR. MARTIN READER AND YOUR STAFF FOR YOUR, UH, AS AND, UH, UH, MR. WELCH.
I, IT'S LOOKING AT YOUR, IT SAYS LAMB AND NO, BUT, UH, MR. DAVID WELCH, UM, FOR YOUR ANALYSIS ON THIS BECAUSE NO, I WILL ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ.
THIS WENT THROUGH A FULL PROCESS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S SPOT ZONING EITHER THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT CHARACTERIZATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ONE PARCEL, IT IS AN ENTIRE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD OR A SUBSET OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT INCLUDES APARTMENTS AND INCLUDES MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT SPOT ZONING, I DON'T THINK IT'S, UH, ARBITRARY.
I DON'T THINK OUR STAFF WOULD ARBITRARILY DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND SO I DISAGREE WITH ALL THAT.
I APPRECIATE THE PROFESSIONALISM OF OUR STAFF.
I THINK IT'S PRETTY GROSS THAT SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT CONTINUE TO COME UP HERE IN INSULTING THEM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE OUTSIDE AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THEIR OWN PROPERTIES THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BUY DOWN ZONE IN THE NEXT DOOR TO.
SO I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THAT.
BUT, UH, THERE'S, AT THE END OF THE DAY, LOOKING AT THIS, UM, ON, UH, PROJECT
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BY, UH, PROJECT, UH, BASIS.UM, I DON'T THINK THIS IS ARBITRARY.
IN, IN 2011, WE, WE HAD A GENERAL PLAN UPDATE WAY BEFORE I GOT I I GOT ON COUNCIL AND THE GENERAL PLAN COVERS THE ENTIRE CITY.
SO SOMETIMES YOU DO MISS THESE, THESE SPOTS.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THANK YOU TO THE, TO THE FAMILY AND THE APPLICANTS FOR COMING HERE.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO LIVING HERE AND BUILDING A HOME FOR YOUR FAMILY.
WE, AGAIN, HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS.
AND SO, UH, THE MORE UNITS, THE BETTER.
AND OF COURSE WE WANNA BALANCE THAT OFF WITH THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTS.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, LOOK AT, UH, THE HOMELESS ON THE STREET, LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON.
A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING FOR PEOPLE AND THIS PROPOSAL DOES THAT.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVE THIS PROJECT.
AND I THINK THE ACTIONS WERE THE, UM, CERTIFYING THE MND AND THEN I APPROVING THE RESOLUTION.
IS THAT THE, IS THAT CORRECT? IT WAS AN ND YES, BUT CORRECT.
IT'S JUST, JUST A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, NOT A MITIGATED.
SO ONE IS FOR THE CERTIFICATION AND, AND THE RESOLUTION.
AND THE OTHER IS FOR THE ORDINANCE, FOR THE ZONE CHANGE ONE'S, ONE'S TO APPROVE THE RESO, ONE'S TO, UH, INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE, IF THAT'S YOUR CHOICE.
UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND INTRODUCE THE, UH, ZONING CHANGE APPROVED, UH, RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
OH, IT HAS TO BE TWO DIFFERENT, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S, OH, I GOT IT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE OR CERTIFY, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO, YEAH, IT'S RESOLUTION TO, UM, CERTIFY THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND THEN APPROVE THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.
SO, BUT THAT'S THE FIRST PART.
DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT? I SECOND.
CAN I MAKE A COMMENT, MAYOR? YES.
UH, I JUST WANNA THANK EVERYBODY WITH THEIR COMMENTS.
THANK YOU FOR COMING BEFORE US.
UH, I DO APPRECIATE HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT AND HEARING THAT YOU HAVE, UH, HEARD FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS AND THAT YOU DO UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS REGARDING PARKING AND THAT YOU HAVE, UH, MADE CONSIDERATIONS TO YOUR PLANS SO THAT YOU DON'T IMPACT, UM, THE PARKING SITUATION.
SO I, I DO APPRECIATE HEARING THAT.
UH, ALSO THAT YOU WILL BE RECITING IN THE PROPERTY.
YOU WILL MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, UH, YOUR FOOTPRINT HERE IN NATIONAL CITY AND CONTINUE TO MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE.
UM, THAT THIS IS A AREA THAT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR SO VERY LONG.
AND TO HEAR NOW THAT THERE WILL BE PLANS, UH, TO HAVE HOMES THERE, I THINK, THINK IS A VERY GOOD PLAN.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
MOTION APPROVED BY THREE TO TWO VOTE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI AND RODRIGUEZ VOTING.
NOW THERE'S A SECOND MOTION NEEDED.
I'M TRYING TO, I LOST MY PLACE 'CAUSE I'D RATHER READ SO I DON'T MESS UP THE OH, THANK, THANK, THANK YOU.
SO I MAKE A MOTION TO INTRODUCE THE ORDINANCE, CHANGING THE ZONE FROM MARS.
I JUST, THE FIRST I SECOND INTRODUCTION? YES.
YOU GOT ANYTHING TO SAY OR NOT? 'CAUSE I, I SAW YOU START TO GO FOR YOUR, SORRY NOT TO BE NITPICKY MX C ONE, BUT I, I, I GOT, I MAKE A MOTION TO CHANGE THE ZONE FROM, UH, FROM RS RS TWO TO MXC.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
MOTION APPROVED BY THREE TO TWO VOTE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI AND RODRIGUEZ VOTING.
THAT CONGRATULATIONS TO THE APPLICANTS INTRODUCTION.
YEAH, THAT'S JUST AN INTRODUCTION.
THAT'S JUST AN INTRODUCTION, YEAH.
UM, I JUST LOOKING, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY REQUESTS FOR TRANSLATION.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN RELEASE THE, UH, TRANSLATOR.
DO WE HAVE WE NEED TRANSLATION? DO WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH, ARE, ARE USING THE, UH, OKAY.
WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE, WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE TRANSLATOR THEN, MR. MAYOR.
AND CAN WE PLEASE, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THE OVERFLOW ROOM IS BEING UTILIZED? I THOUGHT WE ALREADY HANDLED THAT EARLIER IN THE MEETING.
I KNOW THIS IS, I I THINK FOLKS ARE JUST SITTING AROUND IN THE HALLWAY.
IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A SAFER THING FOR THEM TO BE IN THE ROOM
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WHERE THEY'RE INTENDED TO BE.I'M, AGAIN, I'M OKAY WITH THE OVERFLOW ROOM AND, AND I, I TALKED TO YOU JOSE AND STEVE SAID THAT, UH, HE AGREED.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M JUST TRYING TO LIKE, YEAH.
BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE OVERFLOW ROOM SHOULD BE USED, BUT AT THE END I WANT TO TRY TO, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO ON TO TEN TWO.
I SAID THAT I, I TOLD HIM IT WASN'T MY DIRECTION.
[10.1 Adoption and Second Reading of an Ordinance Amending Table 18.24.040 A and Table 18.24.040 D of Title 18 (Zoning) of the Municipal Code Related to Maximum Height and Number of Stories in the MXC-1 and MXD-1 Zones.]
NEXT ITEM.WE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING TEN ONE.
AND, UH, THIS ONE SHOULD GO QUICKLY AND, UH, THIS IS AN ADOPTION AND SECOND READING OF AN AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TABLE EIGHT 18.2 4.040 AND A TABLE 18 TWO, UH, 18 2 4 0 4 OH D OF TITLE 18 ZONING AND THE MUNICIPAL CODE RELATED TO MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND NUMBER OF STORIES IN THE MXC ONE AND THE MXD ONE ZONES.
AND, UH, WITH THAT, YEAH, STAFF HAS NO REPORT.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING ADOPTION BASED ON YOUR INTRODUCTION AND PUBLIC HEARING AT THE LAST MEETING.
UH, WITH THAT, UH, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKERS AND I DON'T SEE ANYONE, ANYONE ON ZOOM EITHER.
SO WITH THAT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOTION APPROVE YOU UNANIMOUSLY.
UM, WITH THAT THERE, WE DO HAVE A, AN ADOPTION ON THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE.
WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT, UH, ITEM 10.1 SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND SEEING NO DISCUSSION AND I REALLY WANNA COMMEND THE STAFF FOR WORKING ON THIS ITEM.
IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, KIND OF NO BRAINER TO ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT OF FOUR STORIES INSTEAD OF THREE ON 50, UH, FOOT TALL BUILDINGS.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS.
ALRIGHT, WE DO HAVE THE MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION TO APPROVE UNANIMOUSLY.
I TOLD YOU THAT ONE WOULD BE QUICK.
[10.2 Public Hearing to Consider of a Final EIR to Assess Project Impacts & Appeal a Planning Commission Denial of a Conditional Use Permit & Coastal Development Permit for a Proposed Fuel Transfer Facility Within BNSF Railroad Right-of-Way on BNSF Property.]
NOW WE GO TO TEN TWO.THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER, UH, OF A FINAL EIR TO ASSESS PROJECT IMPACTS AND APPEAL, A PLANNING COMMISSION DENIAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT OF A PROPOSED FUEL TRANSFER FACILITY WITHIN BNSF.
UH, RAILROAD RIGHT OF ON BNSF PROPERTY.
WITH THAT, UM, THE, UH, WE SHOULD DO DISCLOSURES PROBABLY BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE.
I KNOW THAT, UH, I, I RECEIVED, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, UH, SIGNS WILL EITHER NEED TO BE AGAINST THE WALL OR TO THE BACK WALL OR THE SIDEWALLS, BUT NOT IN THE MIDDLES.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE YOU BLOCK PEOPLE'S VIEW.
UM, THE, UH, UM, I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS.
UM, VAST MAJORITY OF THEM, I WOULD SAY ALMOST ALL OF THEM WERE FORM LETTER EMAIL THAT CAME FROM, SOME OF 'EM WERE LOCAL AND SOME OF 'EM WERE OUTTA STATE AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF IT, I DIDN'T GET THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT THEY WERE AT LEAST 50 AND I THINK PROBABLY MORE THAN THAT.
I DID RECEIVE A COUPLE THAT WERE ACTUALLY INDIVIDUALIZED.
AND I THINK IT WAS ONLY ABOUT TWO OR THREE OF THOSE WHERE THEY ACTUALLY WROTE THEIR OWN WORDS.
UM, AND THEN I ALSO RECEIVED SOME THAT WAS IN FAVOR.
I DID HAVE A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS.
THE PROPONENT DID CALL ME UP AND THIS WAS LIKE, I THINK JANUARY OF LAST YEAR.
JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF.
UH, I DID HEAR BASICALLY THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE SEEING IN HERE.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT I TALKED BACK TO THEM AND, UH, THEY DID A COUPLE MORE CALLS WAS JUST WHAT OUR PROCEDURE WOULD BE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS EVENING.
SO THAT WAS MY DISCLOSURE IF ANYONE ELSE GOT ANYTHING.
SAY WHAT WITH NO, UH, NO DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH THE OPPONENT OTHER THAN THE, UH, EMAILS.
MR. MAYOR? UH, YES, I MET MULTIPLE TIMES WITH, UH, THE DEVELOPERS AS WELL AS WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COALITION AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WOULD FLAG ME OVER AT KIMBALL SCHOOL.
I ALSO MET WITH, UH, SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF WITH, UH, THE DEVELOPERS AS WELL AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
UH, AND I DID LISTEN INTO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, WHERE THIS, UM,
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THIS TOPIC WAS DISCUSSED.I ALSO MET WITH THE APPLICANT.
I MET WITH THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COALITION.
UM, AND I ATTENDED, UH, THE, UH, SEVERAL OF THE, UH, PUBLIC FORM WORKSHOPS SUCH AS THE ONE IN THE LIBRARY.
I ALSO ATTENDED THAT WORKSHOP, WHICH I SHOULD, SHOULD DISCLOSE THAT.
I ANSWERED ABOUT 96, UH, EMAIL E-BLASTS THAT I RECEIVED, JUST LETTING THEM KNOW THAT I RECEIVED THEIR EMAIL.
UM, RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS, UM, AFTER THAT, UM, WENT, WENT TO THE WORKSHOP AND, UH, LISTENED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
OKAY, WITH THAT THEN, UH, STAFF REPORT.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
I'M WITH THE PLANNING DIVISION.
UM, ITEM 10.2 IS AN APPEAL OF A PLANNING, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION DENIAL OF, UH, PROJECT.
UM, THIS WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE A FINAL EIR TO ASSESS THE PROJECT'S IMPACTS AS WELL AS THE APPEAL.
UM, PREVIOUS ACTION, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO CERTIFY THE FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT ON SEPTEMBER 15TH.
AT THE SAME MEETING, THEY ALSO, UH, VOTED TO DENY REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND COASTAL DEV, UH, CO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
UM, WE DID HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS AT PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL.
UH, OVER 30 PEOPLE SPOKE MOST, MOST OF WHICH WERE OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT.
UM, AND THE PROJECT IS A TRANSFER FACILITY, UH, FOR FUEL.
UM, BUT LET'S GET INTO THE DETAILS.
UM, SITE CHARACTERISTICS, UH, THE SITE'S ABOUT SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES AND SIZE, UH, INCLUDES BOTH EXISTING RAILWAY FOR BNSF AND ADJACENT PROPERTY, ALSO OWNED BY BNSF.
A PORTION OF THE SITE WAS A, UH, DEPARTMENT TOXIC SUBSTANCE CONTROL CLEANUP SITE, UM, THAT HAS BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED.
UM, SITE IS FORMERLY INDUSTRIAL, MOSTLY DISTURBED LAND, SO NO GREENFIELD HERE.
UM, THE SURROUNDING AREA IS MOSTLY INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING.
UH, THERE IS SOME TOURIST SUPPORTING COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH.
THAT'S OUR BLE COASTAL EATERY.
UM, THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL TO THE PROJECT IS MCKINLEY APARTMENTS.
UM, THERE ARE SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, APPROXIMATELY 900 FEET TO THE SOUTH.
UH, THERE MAY BE ONE OR TWO OTHERS THAT ARE A LITTLE CLOSER AS WELL.
AND THE NEAREST, UH, SCHOOLS, UH, ACROSS I FIVE TO THE EAST, JUST UNDER HALF A MILE AWAY.
SO HERE'S AN OVERHEAD OF THE SITE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S KIND OF LONG AND NARROW.
MOST OF IT'S OCCUPIED BY, UH, RAILWAY AND PROPOSED, UH, ADDITIONAL TRACKS.
AND THEN ON THE SOUTH SIDE THERE, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE MAIN LOCATION OF THE FIELD TRANSFER FACILITY THAT'S PROPOSED.
UM, THESE ARE FROM WEST 19TH STREET.
UH, MOSTLY VACANT, UH, OR ENTIRELY VACANT.
UH, MOSTLY DIRT DISTURBED LAND, FORMERLY INDUSTRIAL.
ONE FROM THE END OF WEST 18TH STREET, UH, AND FROM CIVIC CENTER DRIVE, AGAIN, RAIL PROPERTY.
UH, MOSTLY VACANT AND DISTURBED.
SO WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL? UH, THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS SAN DIEGO CLEAN FUELS, UH, FACILITY, LLC.
UM, ALSO THE PARENT COMPANY'S USD CLEAN FUELS.
I KNOW THAT NAME HAS BEEN USED A LOT.
UH, THEY PROPOSE TO CONSTRUCT A TRANSLOADING FACILITY FOR RENEWABLE FUELS.
UH, FUEL WILL BE TRANSFERRED FROM RAIL CARS TO TRUCKS, AND THEY WOULD DELIVER TO SERVICE STATIONS WITHIN THE SAN DIEGO MARKET.
OPERATIONS WOULD BE 24 HOURS A DAY.
TRUCKS ARE PLANNED TO PRIMARILY ENTER THE SITE DURING OFF STREET, OFF PEAK TRAFFIC HOURS TO AVOID CONGESTION.
UH, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF TRUCKS ENTERING THE SITE DAILY WILL BE 72, UH, AND A THROUGHPUT CAPACITY FOR THE FACILITY OF 13,800 BARRELS OF FUEL PER DAY.
UM, SOME OF THE PROPOSED SAFETY MEASURES INCLUDE A FUEL CONTAINMENT BASIN, UH, THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HOLD UP TO 110% OF A RAIL CAR VOLUME, IN CASE ANY FUEL SPILLS AS WELL AS A FIREFIGHTING PLATFORM.
LET'S TALK ABOUT ALTERNATIVE FUELS A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD CARB, UH, THEY DID ADOPT A LOW CARBON FUEL STANDARD.
UH, THIS IS AN INTERIM MEASURE TO HELP REDUCE EMISSIONS WHILE ZERO EMISSIONS TECHNOLOGY CONTINUES TO ADVANCE.
UM, THE ACTIVITIES OF CARB ARE MAINLY IN RESPONSE TO AB 32, THE GREENHOUSE GAS, UH, EMISSIONS REDUCTION FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
SO THE PROJECT WOULD DELIVER ALTERNATIVE BIOFUELS TO THE MARKET.
THIS INCLUDES RENEW RENEWABLE DIESEL BIODIESEL, SUSTAINABLE AVIATION FUEL.
UM, THESE PRODUCTS CAN BE PRODUCED WITH OIL, FAT, GREASES, ALGAE, ET CETERA.
UM, THESE ARE INTENDED TO BE DROP IN BIOFUELS.
UH, SO THAT MEANS YOU DON'T HAVE TO MODIFY YOUR EXISTING ENGINE TO USE THESE TYPES OF FUELS.
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UM, AND THEY CAN REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BY UP TO 80% WHEN THEY'RE IN USE.LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS.
UH, I THINK IT SHOULD BE STATED THAT A REDUCTION IN MISSIONS AT A REGIONAL LEVEL, UH, DOES NOT NECESSARILY TRANSLATE TO A DIRECT REDUCTION AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.
UM, WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE EFFORTS WITHIN THE CITY FOR IMPROVED HEALTH OUTCOMES AND REDUCED AIR POLLUTIONS.
THIS INCLUDES ADOPTING THE WEST SIDE SPECIFIC PLAN, UH, WHICH IS INTENDED TO PROTECT EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, OUR AMORTIZATION PROGRAM TO, UH, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF POLLUTING BUSINESSES IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY WAS ALSO AN EARLY ADOPTER OF A HEALTH ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ELEMENT WITHIN THE GENERAL PLAN.
THIS HAPPENED BEFORE THE STATE REQUIRED IT FOR EVERY CITY.
UM, WE ALSO HAD OUR AB SIX 17 PORT SIDE COMMUNITY, UM, WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE COMMUNITY EMISSIONS REDUCTION PLAN.
UH, THAT'S INCLUDING NATIONAL CITY AND THE NEIGHBORING PORTIONS OF CITY OF SAN DIEGO.
UH, WE ALSO RECENTLY HAD OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN UPDATE.
UH, I THINK THAT WAS IN 2023 OR LAST YEAR.
UM, THE PROPOSED PROJECT DOES PROPOSE TO UTILIZE DIESEL POWERED TRUCK TRIPS, FACIL FACILITY OPERATION.
UM, SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, WHICH WOULD BE THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
UH, THERE WOULD BE A SECOND CROSSING THERE, UH, TO EXPAND THE RAIL A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND THEN HIGHLIGHTED AT A RED WOULD BE A NUMBER OF NEW RAIL SPURS THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE ACTIVITIES TAKING PLACE AT THE SITE.
UM, AND THE BLUE CIRCLE WOULD BE THE LOCATION OF THE TRANSFER FACILITY ITSELF.
UM, ZOOMING IN, UH, THE RED AGAIN IS THE NEW RAIL SPURS TO ADD MORE CAPACITY TO STORE RAIL CARS.
UM, THE GREEN, UH, RAIL LINES WOULD BE FOR WHERE THE RAIL CARS WOULD HAVE, UM, THEIR FUEL UNLOADED THROUGH PUMPS.
UM, AND THEN THE BLUE AREA, WE HAVE A SMALL OFFICE BUILDING AND THEN, UH, FOUR SPACES FOR TRUCKS TO LOAD THE FUEL ONTO THEM.
UH, TRUCKS WILL ENTER THE SITE FROM, UH, WEST 18TH STREET ON THE LEFT AND EXIT FROM WEST 19TH ON THE RIGHT.
SO THE PROPOSED PROJECT, UH, REQUESTS APPROVAL OF A FUEL TRANSFER FACILITY.
THIS IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE MEDIA MANUFACTURING ZONE WITH APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE DOING A DISCRETIONARY PERMIT IN OUR COASTAL ZONE, YOU ALSO HAVE TO DO A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
UH, AND THERE ARE A TOTAL OF SIX FINDINGS RELATED TO THE CUP AND CDP.
GOING TO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION.
THEY DENIED THE PROJECT WITH THESE FINDINGS.
UH, SO THEY DEEMED THAT THE USE WAS NOT ESSENTIAL AND DESIRABLE TO PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND WELFARE.
UH, THEY DEEMED THAT THE PROPOSED USE WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON ADJACENT OR ABUTTING PROPERTIES.
AGAIN, FOR THE CUP, UM, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM RESIDENTS THAT WERE POTENTIALLY AFFECTED BY THE PROPOSED PROJECT WERE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO ACKNOWLEDGING OUR HEALTH, HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ELEMENT, UH, AGAIN FOR THE COP.
AND THEN FINALLY FOR THE CDP, UH, SAYING THAT THE PROJECT IS INCONSISTENT WITH APPLICABLE PLANS AND ORDINANCE WITHIN THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY.
SO LET'S LOOK AT THE ANALYSIS AGAIN.
THE PROJECT IS IN AN INDUSTRIAL LAND USE EXPLANATION WITHIN THE CITY CITY'S GENERAL PLAN.
UM, THE GENERAL PLAN IS COMPRISED OF SEVERAL ELEMENTS.
STAFF PROVIDED A OVERVIEW OF QUITE A FEW GENERAL PLAN POLICIES WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, THE MAIN CONCLUSIONS ARE THAT, UH, CONCERNS RELATED TO HABITAT, HABITAT OR OPEN SPACE NUISANCES FROM THE FACILITY, TRANSPORTATION OR TRAFFIC.
THEY WERE LARGELY DISCUSSED AND ADDRESSED THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT THAT WAS PREPARED.
UM, THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL NUISANCES.
UH, SO AN OPERATIONS PLAN WILL BE REQUIRED OF THE APPLICANT.
UH, THEY'LL HAVE TO ADHERE TO TRUCK ROUTES SO THAT THEY'RE NOT, UH, BRINGING TRUCKS THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE BUFFERING, SCREENING WALLS, THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY THE PROJECT ALSO ALIGNS WITH SOME OF OUR GENERAL PLAN POLICIES.
UM, THIS WOULD INCLUDE OUR GENERAL PLAN INSTRUCTS TO, UH, FIND PROJECTS THAT CAN REUSE PREVIOUSLY CONTAMINATED SITES.
UH, THERE ARE GENERAL PLAN POLICIES RELATED TO THE EFFICIENT MOVEMENT OF GOODS, UM, WHICH IS THIS PROJECT DOES WITH THE RAIL MOVING FORWARD.
UH, SO THERE WERE SPECIFIC CONCERNS WITH THE PROJECT THAT RELATE TO THE HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
UM, SO I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THREE, UM, POLICY 1.2 STATES.
UH, THE CITY SHOULD CONSIDER ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ISSUES AS THEY'RE RELATED TO POTENTIAL HEALTH IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH LAND USE DECISIONS, UH, REDUCE ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES, AND OTHER UNDESIRABLE LAND USES ON RESIDENTS REGARDLESS OF AGE, CULTURE, ETHNICITY, GENDER, RACE, SOCIO ECONOMIC STATUS, OR GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION.
UM, 1.5 SAYS, PROMOTE THE INCLUSION OF POTENTIALLY AFFECTED COMMUNITY RESIDENTS IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
UH, 2.6 SAYS, CONSIDER AIR QUALITY IMPACTS, INCLUDING CUMULATIVE IMPACTS FROM EXISTING AND NEW DEVELOPMENT.
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HEJ, WHILE IT WAS AHEAD OF IT, ITS TIME.IT DOES TAKE A MORE SUGGESTIVE APPROACH FOR OUR POLICY MAKERS.
UH, CONSIDER, ENCOURAGE, PROMOTE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION MAY NOW ALWAYS BE CLEAR AS TO HOW TO DO SO, DO THESE THINGS.
UM, THE EIR DID INCLUDE ASSESSMENTS ON HEALTH CONCERNS RELATED TO THE PROPOSED INDUSTRIAL USE AND THE INCREASED TRUCK TRAFFIC.
UH, CANCER RISK, CHRONIC HEALTH HAZARDS AND ACUTE HEALTH HAZARDS WERE ALL ANALYZED AND FOUND TO BE LESS AND SIGNIFICANT.
HOWEVER, THE H-E-J-H-E-J POLICY, I JUST RED SEEKS TO REDUCE SUCH HAZARDS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.
UM, MOVING FORWARD INTO OUR LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM AND THE COASTAL ACT.
UM, PRIOR TO, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION HOLDING A HEARING ON THIS, WE DID HAVE CONCERNS FROM THE CALIFORNIA COASTAL COMMISSION ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, THESE CONCERNS WERE THE APPEAL, APPEAL ABILITY OF THE PROJECT, MAKING IT CLEAR THAT SHOULD THE PROJECT BE APPROVED, IT IS ELIGIBLE TO BE APPEALED TO THE COASTAL COMMISSION, UH, ENSURING THAT IT'S ALLOWED USE WITH, UH, CONCERNS OVER WETLAND.
UM, A WETLAND DELINEATION, UH, DONE BY ENVIRONMENTAL PROFESSIONALS WAS COMPLETED BACK IN JULY.
UH, BOTH THE PROFESSIONALS AND THE COASTAL COMMISSION AGREED THAT THERE WAS NOT A WETLAND ON SITE.
UM, THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT ADDRESSING ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE.
UM, THIS WAS ANALYZED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UH, COASTAL ACT INCLUDES AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE POLICY AS WELL, UH, AND FINALLY, COASTAL HAZARDS.
UM, WHILE THE CUP OR THE E ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO TALK TOO MUCH ABOUT SEA LEVEL RISE, THE COASTAL ACT DOES.
AND SO, UM, UPON FURTHER ANALYSIS, UH, CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD TERMINATE THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AFTER 30 YEARS WAS ADDED TO THIS PROJECT.
UH, GIVEN CONCERNS OVER FORECASTED SEA LEVEL RISE IN THE MORE DISTANT FUTURE.
CONTINUING ON, THERE ARE SEVERAL POLICIES IN THE LOCAL COASTAL PROGRAM OF THE CITY, AS WELL AS THE COASTAL ACT.
THESE ARE DISCUSSED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UH, FOR THE MOST PART, THE PROJECT HAS VERY LITTLE TO NO EFFECT.
UM, IT'S NOT AFFECTING ACCESS TO ANY RECREATION POSSIBILITIES.
IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF INDUSTRIAL ZONE.
THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE THREAT TO THE MARINE ENVIRONMENT.
STORM WATER MANAGEMENT WOULD BE IN PLACE, UM, WITH MITIGATION.
ANY LAND RESOURCES WOULD BE UNAFFECTED.
THERE WOULD BE SITE MONITORING, UH, SHOULD ANY, UH, ARCHEOLOGICAL OR PALEONTOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES BE MADE.
UM, AND THE SITE IS ALREADY VISUALLY DEGRADED.
SO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD, IN A WAY, CLEAN THE SITE UP.
FINALLY, THE LAND USE CODE, OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND SITES IN THE BD MANUFACTURING ZONE.
UH, THIS TYPE OF USE IS PERMITTED WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE CUP.
UH, THERE ARE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE ZONE, SUCH AS THE SIZE, UH, SETBACKS, UM, FAR, THE INTENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE RAIL YARD OF IT, IT EASILY MEETS THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS AND SETBACKS, UM, IS A SMALL OFFICE THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED AND PERMITTED AS A PERMANENT, PERMANENT STRUCTURE.
APPLICANT IS PROVIDING PARKING SPACES, INCLUDING ONE, UH, FOR EV VEHICLES.
UM, AND THEN STAFF WILL LOOK AT, UM, ADDITIONAL ITEMS IN THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS SHOULD IT BE APPROVED.
UM, FINALLY WE HAVE OUR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
UM, SO LOOKING AT THE GREENHOUSE GASES, UM, PROJECT WILL RESULT IN ABOUT 282 METRIC TONS PER YEAR OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS DURING CONSTRUCTION, AND ABOUT 1,633 METRIC TONS PER YEAR DURING OPERATION.
ALMOST ALL OF THESE EMISSIONS ARE FROM MOBILE SOURCES, WHICH SHOULD BE TRUCK TRAFFIC AND RAIL.
SO THIS AMOUNT IS BELOW THE SIGNIFICANT THRESHOLDS RECOMMENDED IN OUR CITY'S CLIMATE ACTION PLAN.
UH, IT ALSO SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE FUEL THAT'S DELIVERED WILL HELP TO REDUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.
UM, AND THEN ALSO SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WHILE REQUIRING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, ANOTHER PROJECT ON THE SITE THAT MIGHT BE PERMITTED BY USE WOULD HAVE A SIMILAR INTENSITY, UH, COULD HAVE A SIMILAR NUMBER OF TRUCKS UTILIZING IT.
UM, SO IT'S NOT MORE INTENSE THAN WOULD WHAT WOULD ORDINARILY BE ALLOWED ON THE SITE.
UH, LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY EMISSIONS REDUCTION PLAN, UH, THIS WAS FOR THE AB SIX 17 PORTSIDE COMMUNITY.
SO IT INVOLVES MORE THAN JUST NATIONAL CITY.
UM, AB SIX 17 WAS PASSED TO CREATE COMMUNITY FOCUS AND COMMUNITY DRIVEN ACTION TO REDUCE AIR POLLUTION, IMPROVE PUBLIC HEALTH.
UH, OUR LOCAL AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT DOMINATED THE PORT SIDE COMMUNITY.
UH, IT'S NOTED IN THE PLAN THAT POLLUTION AND AIRPORT AIR QUALITY ARE HEAVILY A RESULT OF MOBILE SOURCES SUCH AS HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC, BUT AS ALSO STATIONARY SOURCES SUCH AS HEAVY INDUSTRIES.
UM, DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER DPN IS A KNOWN CARCINOGEN.
THIS IS OF ACUTE CONCERN DUE TO THE VARIETY OF DIESEL POWERED VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT OPERATED IN THE
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AREA.UM, RESIDENTS THAT EXPERIENCE HIGHER RATES OF POVERTY ARE ALSO LESS LIKELY TO HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH THE ADDITIONAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH HEALTH PROBLEMS CAUSED BY AIR POLLUTION.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
UM, STAFF ENCOURAGES THAT, UH, CITY COUNCIL, UH, CONSIDER THE SERP DURING THIS, UM, UH, ITEM, UH, DUE TO THE CITY'S DIRECT PARTICIPATION IN THE APPROVAL, WE WERE A PART OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE.
UM, NOTABLE GOALS OF THE SERP INCLUDE AN 80% REDUCTION IN DPM AS WELL AS A HUNDRED PERCENT ADOPTION OF ZERO EMISSION MEDIUM AND HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS FIVE YEARS AHEAD OF THE STATE.
UM, SO FAR THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIS PLAN INCLUDE SUPPORT OF FREE RIDE AROUND NATIONAL CITY.
THAT'S A ZERO MISSION SHUTTLE PROGRAM.
ALSO, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SEVERAL ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, BIKE LANES, PEDESTRIAN, UM, PROJECTS AND SUCH.
UH, THE PROPOSED PROJECT ADHERES TO THE ACTION ITEMS FOUND ON THE SERP.
HOWEVER, IT DOES PREVE PRESENT A CONFLICT WITH THE OVERARCHING GOALS OF THE PLAN.
YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT INCREASES EMISSION WHILE THE SERP SEEKS TO DECREASE EMISSIONS IN THE AREA.
OTHER CONSIDERATIONS ON THE PROJECT.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS VOLUNTARILY COMMITTED TO PROVIDING AN ECONOMIC BE BENEFIT TO THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY.
THE AMOUNT OF $200,000 ANNUALLY FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING WITHIN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND THE DRAFT RESOLUTION TO USE THESE FUNDS TOWARDS, UH, PROJECTS THAT CAN HELP DEAL WITH AIR QUALITY ISSUES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE VICINITY OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, SO THAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THAT.
UH, MOVING ON TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW THAT WAS DONE.
UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A RESOLUTION CERTIFYING THE FINAL EIR, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION HAD ALREADY DONE SO, BUT AS THE PROVING BODY COUNCIL MUST DO SO AS WELL.
UH, WE HAD OUR PUBLIC REVIEW PERIOD, UH, STARTING BACK IN DECEMBER.
UH, ALL RESPONSES TO COMMENTS FOR THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT WERE INCLUDED IN THE FINAL EIR.
UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE IR OR THE MITIGATION MEASURES WERE MADE AS A RESULT OF THE COMMENTS.
UM, ALL DOCUMENTS RELATED TO THE EIR WERE WERE PREPARED BY AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT.
UH, WE ALSO HAD THE DRAFT EIR PEER REVIEWED BY ANOTHER CONSULTING FIRM.
SO WHAT WAS IDENTIFIED AS POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS, UM, ONE WAS BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES.
THIS IS MAINLY IS THERE A PRESENCE OF, UH, CERTAIN SPECIES ON SITE OR ARE THERE THE POTENTIAL FOR NESTING BIRDS, ROOFING BATS, UM, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO THE MITIGATION MEASURES RELATED TO THAT ARE JUST TO HAVE MONITORING AND PROPER PROCEDURES FOR DEALING WITH ANY PARTICULAR SPECIES THAT MIGHT BE ON SITE DURING CONSTRUCTION.
UH, SECOND WAS GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.
UH, THE CAP WAS BEING DEVELOPED AT THE SAME TIME OF THE PROJECT.
SO MITIGATION MEASURE WAS INCLUDED TO MAKE SURE THE PROJECT REMAINED CONSISTENT WITH AN UPDATED CAP.
AND THEN FINALLY, TRIBAL CULTURAL RESOURCES.
UM, THERE ARE SOME MAP DEPOSITS, UH, BASICALLY SOILS FROM AN ERA THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CONTAIN ARCHEOLOGICAL ARTIFACTS.
AGAIN, SITE MONITORING DURING OBSTRUCTION TO SEE IF ANYTHING IS DISCOVERED, UH, WHILE UH, SOILS ARE BEING REMOVED.
COMMENTS ON THE PROJECT WERE RECEIVED FROM THE, UH, BUILDING DIVISION, ENGINEERING, FIRE AND PLANNING DIVISION.
UH, THESE WERE STANDARD COMMENTS RELATED TO NEW DEV, NEW DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
UH, SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR REQUIREMENTS WERE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, SPECIFICALLY, UH, THE END OF WEST 18TH STREET, UM, FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THEN FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, SPECIALIZED FIRE SU SUPPRESSION EQUIPMENT TO DEAL WITH THE MATERIALS ON SITE.
UH, APPLICANT WAS FORWARDED ALL THESE COMMENTS AND MADE AWARE OF THEM, AS WELL AS THE DRAFT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR THE PROJECT.
UH, ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, ANY MITIGATION MEASURE IN THE EIR IS INCLUDED IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE OPERATIONAL STANDARDS OF THE PROPOSED FACILITY, MAKING SURE THEY ADHERE TO THE AMOUNT OF PRODUCT THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA MOVE, UH, THE NUMBER OF TRUCK TRIPS THEY SAID THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, MAKING SURE THEY COMPLETE THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT, ADHERENCE TO TRUCK ROUTES, ET CETERA.
UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT TRUCK ROUTES.
UM, I JUST HAVE A LITTLE EXCERPT ON THE CITY'S TRUCK ROUTE MAP.
THE PINK IS THE PRIMARY TRUCK CROSS IN THE CITY, UM, WHICH WOULD BE BAY MARINA DRIVE, HIGHLANDS, UH, HARBOR DRIVE.
AND THEN GREEN IS ALTERNATIVE ROUTES.
SO THEY'RE TYPICALLY NOT USED.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S SITE ON WEST 19TH STREET, UH, IS IN A LOCATION WHERE THEY CAN, UH, GO STRAIGHT TO THAILAND AND STRAIGHT TO CIVIC CENTER DRIVE TO GET RIGHT ON INTERSTATE FIVE.
SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT WOULD GO INTO NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, WITH RESIDENTIAL BASED ON THE AVAILABLE ROUTES.
IN SUMMARY, THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS A FUEL TRANSFER
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FACILITY THAT'S TO BE LOCATED ON AN ADJACENT TO EXISTING BNSF RAILWAY.UM, UP TO 72 DIESEL POWERED TRUCKS MAY ENTER THE SITE EACH DAY.
UH, IF THE PROJECT IS APPROVED, A PROJECT WILL PROVIDE ACCESS TO CLEANER TER ALTERNATIVE DIESEL FUELS FOR THE REGION.
UH, THERE WASN'T ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT PREPARED AND NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS WERE IDENTIFIED.
UH, WITHIN MITIGATION MEASURES IN PLACE, THE APPLICA APPLICANT'S ALSO VOLUNTEERING TO ENTER INTO AN ACADEMIC BENEFIT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.
SO THE OPTIONS FOR COUNSEL TONIGHT, UH, REGARDING THE CERTIFICATION OF THE IR CERTIFY, THE FINAL E-R-E-I-R FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT, UH, BASICALLY STATING IT'S BEEN COMPLETED AND PROCESSED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF CQA, UM, OR, UH, FIND THAT THE FINAL EIR FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED IN PROCESS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF CQA BASED ON FINDINGS THAT TO BE DETERMINED BY CITY COUNCIL OR CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UH, JUST A NOTE CERTIFYING THE ER IS NOT A PROJECT APPROVAL, UH, APPROVAL OF THE C-P-C-D-P IS A SEPARATE ACTION, AND THAT SEPARATE ACTION WOULD BE FOR THE CDP AND CDP, UM, UH, COUNCIL CAN APPROVE THE APPEAL REVERSING THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION AND THEREBY APPROVING THE PROJECT, UM, BASED ON THE RESOLUTION OR COUNCIL COULD MODIFY CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OR MODIFY THE FINDINGS OF APPROVAL IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION.
OR THE OTHER OPTION IS TO DENY THE APPEAL AND HOLD THE PLANNING COMMISS TO SEE DECISION TO DENY THE PROJECT BASED ON THE EXISTING PLANNING COMMISSION FINDINGS OR FINDINGS DETERMINED BY COUNCIL OR CONTINUE THE ITEM TO A SPECIFIC DATE IN ORDER TO OBTAIN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UM, THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION, AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE ANY CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS TO THE STAFF AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UH, THANK YOU DAVID FOR THE, UH, THOROUGH PRESENTATION.
UM, JUST AN INITIAL QUESTION REGARDING THE EXISTING BNSF FACILITY.
UM, SLIDE NUMBER FOUR SAYS INCLUDES EXISTING BNSF RAILWAY AND ADJACENT BNSF OWNED PROPERTY.
AND THEN FURTHER DOWN, THERE'S A BIG PICTURE THAT SHOWS IN PINK THAT ACTUALLY ADDITIONAL NEW RAIL SPURS ARE HAPPENING.
SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN EXISTING BNSF RAILWAY VERSUS WHAT THIS PICTURE MEANS WITH THE PINK, WITH NEW RAIL SPURS? SO THE EXISTING CONDITION IS, THERE'S ONE RAIL LINE THAT GOES FROM CIVIC CENTER DRIVE WHERE THE CROSSING IS, UH, TO WEST 19TH WHERE THE CROSSING IS.
UM, WITH THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, THERE WOULD BE, UH, BASICALLY A SECOND RAIL CROSSING AT CIVIC CENTER.
SO THERE'D BE AT LEAST TWO, UH, FULLY UTILIZABLE RAIL LINES FOR THE BNSF RAILWAY.
AND THEN THERE WOULD BE THE SPURS THAT WOULD COME ONTO, UH, THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE RAIL LINE.
UM, SO THE MAIN LINE RAIL AND THE SECONDARY RAIL THAT'S ON ACTIVE RAILWAY PROPERTY, CURRENTLY OWNED BY BNSF.
AND THEN THE FUEL TRANSFER FACILITY AND THE ADJACENT RAIL SPURS WOULD BE ON, UH, PROPERTY THAT'S ALSO OWNED BY BNSF, UM, AND IT WOULD BE LEASED TO THE APPLICANT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS EXISTING RAILWAY AND THEN WHAT IS NEW RAIL SPURS, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS CONTRADICTORY.
SO, OR JUST TO SATISFY MY QUESTION, I THINK SLIDE FOUR AND, AND I DO WANT YOU TO GO THROUGH THE DIAGRAM, BUT I'M JUST SAYING SLIDE FOUR, UM, SHOULDN'T SAY INCLUDES EXISTING BNSF RAILWAY ONLY.
IT SHOULD SAY EXISTING BNSF RAILWAY AS WELL AS NEW ADDITION OF NEW RAIL SPURS IS, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN SOME DIAGRAM FOR ME, PLEASE, ON CLARITY OF LANGUAGE THERE.
UM, SO ON THIS DIAGRAM, THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S SITE PLAN.
THE RED HASHED IS KIND OF OUTSIDE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, THE EXISTING RAIL LINE IS BASICALLY NEXT TO WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED.
AND THEN, UH, THIS BLACK TRACK RIGHT HERE GOING UP TO CIVIC CENTER, THAT'S NEW.
UM, AND THEN THAT WILL TURN INTO, UM, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY, UH, THE NEW SPURS.
SO THIS RED AREA, UH, IS NEW IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S ALREADY ONE RAIL TRACK IN THE HASHED AREA.
EVERYTHING IN THIS IMAGE HERE IS NEW.
SO YOU HAVE, UM, THE FIVE RAIL SPURS,
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TWO UH, TRACKS THAT WOULD BE USED, USED FOR UNLOADING, AND THOSE WOULD COME TOGETHER AND BECOME ONE AS YOU GET TOWARDS CIVIC CENTER.UH, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE MOMENT.
UH, QUESTION ON THE, UH, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND THE, THE RISK FOR THE, UH, WASTE.
UM, SO ONE OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, JAKE DUKA, WHO LIVES IN THE AREA, WHICH I, I APPRECIATE HIS THOROUGH, UH, COMMENTS, UM, HAD EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, SPILLS AND CITED THE CITY OF EL CAJON.
THERE WAS A SPILL IN THE LA WITHIN THE LAST YEAR.
SO HOW DO WE, WHAT IS BEING DONE TO MITIGATE, UH, FOR THE STAFF SIDE COMPLIANCE WITH SPILLS? IS IT INSURANCE OR WHAT DOES THAT PART LOOK LIKE? AND IF THERE IS A SPILL, WHAT, WHAT'S, CAN YOU GO INTO THAT? UM, SO ON THE APPLICANT SIDE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN CONTROL OF THEIR OWN SITE.
UM, AND SO WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY'VE CREATED, UH, BASICALLY A CONCRETE CONTAINMENT BASIN OR THEY WILL BE CREATING.
UM, AND SO SHOULD THERE ANY SPILL, SHOULD ANY SPILL OCCUR, THERE SHOULD BE ENOUGH CONTAINMENT BASIN AVAILABLE TO, UM, CONTAIN AT LEAST ONE RAIL CAR IS WORTH OF SPILL.
UM, I THINK THE EL CAJON EXAMPLE MAY HAVE HAPPENED AT AN OFFSITE LOCATION DURING TRANSPORT.
UM, IS THAT REALLY, UM, MAYBE THAT'S DIFFERENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, OFFSITE, THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH CONTROL OVER WHAT MAY BE HAPPENING ON THE ROADWAYS.
SO I THINK MAYBE THAT'S IN A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANTS THEN WHEN WE GET TO THAT, BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THAT IF IT'S COMING FROM THE FACILITY INGRESS EGRESS, THEY STILL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.
SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
UM, BUT I, BUT I CAN MOVE ON FROM THAT.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE TRUCK ROUTES, UH, HOW DO WE ENSURE COMPLIANCE THAT, UH, THE TRUCK ROUTES THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING THROUGH, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS? 'CAUSE I SEE THE MAP AND CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP, UM, WHERE IT HAD THE, UH, THE BLUE LINE ARROWS, I THINK WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING INTER, SO THEN JUST TO MAKE SURE, THE PINK AREA THAT SAYS TRUCK, UM, WHICH IS BELOW AND CONNECTING THE 24TH STREET BAY MARINA DRIVE, SO THE TRUCKS ARE NOT BEING PROPOSED TO GO THERE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED, NOT THIS DIAGRAM, BUT THE ROUTE SHOWN ON HERE, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, THEY WANT BOTH ENTERING AND EXITING TRUCKS TO UTILIZE WEST 19TH, GO TO THAILAND, USE CIVIC CENTER, UH, ALL OF WHICH ARE CURRENTLY PRIMARY TRUCK ROUTES IN THE CITY.
UM, AND MOST, UNLESS THERE WAS A SERVICE STATION IN NATIONAL CITY, UM, THE TRUCKS WOULD BE USING INTERSTATE FIVE TO GO EITHER NORTH OR SOUTH.
SO IT'S ONLY CIVIC CENTER THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ENTER AND EXIT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
AND THEN THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL RELATED THAT TO THAT WOULD BE THE OPERATIONS PLAN WHERE, UM, STAFF WOULD REQUIRE THAT THEY INCLUDE THAT IN THEIR OPERATIONS PLAN THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED TO ANY OF THE TRUCKS USE UTILIZING THE FACILITY.
HOW DO WE ENSURE COMPLIANCE OF, OF THAT? IS THAT OUR, OUR OWN LAW ENFORCEMENT? IS THAT OUR OWN CITY STAFF? LIKE HOW ARE WE, HOW ARE, UH, THERE WAS A SUGGESTION OF, UH, EVEN CAMERAS IN ONE OF THE, UH, EMAILS, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC.
SO HOW WOULD WE DO THAT? UH, THAT'S GONNA BE, WELL BEAR IN MIND THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED, THERE ARE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WHICH NEED TO BE ADHERED TO IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE CUP, UH, FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THAT WOULD BE GROUNDS FOR, UH, REMOVAL OR CANCELLATION OF THE CEP.
SO WE ARE, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, GIVING US A, THEY'RE RESTRICTING THOSE CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTY TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING THAT.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S ON A COMPLAINT BASE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE WILL CHECK AS MUCH AS WE CAN A STAFF IN THE FIELD.
SO WE, IT'S USUALLY GONNA BE ON A, ON A COMPLAINT BASIS.
SO WE WILL TAKE THAT OBVIOUSLY VERY SERIOUSLY SHOULD THAT OCCUR.
AND THEN MY FINAL QUESTION IS ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.
IN RESPONSE TO, UM, UH, A COMMENT LETTER, WHICH WAS REALLY DETAILED, AND I APPRECIATE FROM OLIVIA BOAK, UM, REPRESENTING ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COALITIONS ABOUT THE WETLANDS.
SO, UH, THE LETTER WAS FROM JANUARY, UH, WITH CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, POTENTIAL WETLANDS ON THE SITE, AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ANALYSIS THAT THE CITY STAFF DID, UH, RECENTLY.
SO CAN YOU GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THAT? UM, TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND, UM, THE INITIAL, THE INITIAL STUDY THAT WAS DONE INCLUDED A TECHNICAL APPENDIX THAT, UM, SHOWED A POTENTIAL WETLAND FEATURE.
IT WAS A DEPRESSIONAL FEATURE WHERE, UH, CERTAIN TIMES WATER WAS POOLING.
UM, AND SO THAT STUDY LED TO CONCERNS FROM A NUMBER OF THE COMMENTERS ABOUT IS THERE A WETLAND HERE, AND IS IT SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE EITHER MITIGATION
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OR, OR SOME TYPE OF, UM, ACTION, UH, IN ORDER FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO MOVE FORWARD.NOW, UM, STAFF VISITED THE SITE JANUARY, 2025.
UM, THAT DEPRESSIONAL FEATURE NO LONGER EXISTED.
UM, AS I MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION, READING REMEDIATION HAD BEEN OCCURRING FOR THE PACIFIC, UH, STEEL, UM, SITE.
SO THE DEPRESSIONAL FEATURE WAS NO LONGER THERE.
UM, WE DID, UH, CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT CONCERN AND COMMENT.
AND SO, UM, A PROFESSIONAL WENT OUT THERE AND DID A SITE VISIT.
THEY COMPLETED WHAT'S CALLED A WETLAND DELINEATION, WHICH IS A, A SPECIFIC PROCESS TO INVESTIGATE THIS.
UM, SO THEY DIDN'T JUST LOOK AT IT, THEY DUG INTO THE SOIL TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY INDICATORS THAT A WETLAND EXISTED.
UM, AND THE CONCLUSION WAS NO, NO WETLAND HAD EXISTED.
UM, AND THAT SIMILARLY MATCHES WHAT WAS IN THE FIRST STUDY, EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS POTENTIAL EVIDENCE, IT WAS CONCLUDED THAT IT WAS EVENTUALLY CALLED A PUDDLE
UM, SO THE ATION CAME BACK NEGATIVE, ESSENTIALLY.
ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GO TO OKAY, GO AHEAD.
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ON THIS SPECIFIC SLIDE FOR TRUCK ROUTES.
UM, AND I DON'T MEAN TO FLIP PROJECTS ON YOU, BUT I KNOW THAT THE ELECTRIFICATION STATION THAT THE PORT APPROVED IS ON 19TH AND TIDELANDS, WHICH IS RIGHT THERE WHERE THAT PINK LINE IS.
UM, NOT BAY MARINA, BUT, UH, 19TH AND TIDELANDS, WHERE THAT HORIZONTAL BLUE ARROW IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT DIAGRAM.
ARE YOU AWARE IT, I MEAN, IT SEEMS KIND OF OBVIOUS, THE TRUCKS THAT WILL BE UTILIZING THE ELECTRIFICATION STATION WILL BE USING THOSE SAME TRUCK ROUTES.
IS THAT ACCURATE TO EXPECT? YES.
SO THERE'S ALREADY IMPACT ON THAT, ON THOSE TRUCK ROUTES BY THE ELECTRIFICATION STATION, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE VOLUME THAT'S EXPECTED, BUT I KNOW THAT IT IS, UH, QUITE A BIT.
UM, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IN ADDITION TO THAT NOW, THE TRUCKS FOR THIS PROJECT ALSO UTILIZING THOSE SAME TRUCK ROUTES ON TIDELANDS.
UM, AND I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I WILL HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS, UH, BASED ON COMMENTS FROM, UH, THE NAVAL BASE THAT I RECEIVED TODAY.
WE WILL, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
DO WE ALSO ASK QUESTIONS FOR THE DEVELOPERS, OR ARE THEY GONNA GET A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY GIVE A PRESENTATION? YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A PRESENTATION.
UM, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UM, COMMUNITY, FOR COMING OUT FOR THE DEVELOPERS AGAIN, FOR, UH, GOING THROUGH A VERY ROBUST PROCESS.
BEFORE I GET TO THAT, I DO WANNA SAY IT'S VERY INSULTING THAT THE ROOM NEXT DOOR IS NOT BEING USED AND THAT YOU SUGGESTED TO TAKE AWAY THE TRANSLATION.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF MONOLINGUAL SPANISH SPEAKERS HERE, AND THEY DESERVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE TRANSLATIONS.
WE, BUT YOU KNEW THAT BEFORE YOU SUGGESTED IT.
SO, UM, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
DOES THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOCUS ON THE REGION SPECIFICALLY, OR DOES IT FOCUS ON THE ENTIRE PROJECT? I MEAN, THE GENERAL PURPOSE OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT IS TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL PROJECT IMPACTS.
UM, AND SO IT'S SPECIFIC TO THE PROJECT AND IMPACTS THAT COULD RESULT IN ITS CONSTRUCTION OR OPERATION OF, UM, I MEAN, THAT'S THE MOST BASIC ANSWER I CAN PROVIDE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A MORE SPECIFIC YEAH.
HOW MUCH DOES IT FOCUS ON NATIONAL CITY SPECIFIC? I MEAN, IT SHOULD, THE PROJECT IS THE NATIONAL CITY.
IT SHOULD PRIMARILY BE DISCUSSING THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, BUT IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT EMISSIONS FROM VEHICLE MILES, TRAVEL FROM LONG BEACH AND SAN BERNARDINO DOWN HERE.
I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG DOCUMENT, SO I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AS PROBABLY IN THE GREENHOUSE GAS SECTION ABOUT POTENTIAL BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT.
UM, BUT BENEFITS ALONE IS NOT ENOUGH OF AN ANALYSIS.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE SCOPE OF THINGS.
IF THERE'S ANY IMPACTS, YOU CAN'T USE A BENEFIT TO OUTWEIGH THAT IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A MORE SPECIFIC QUESTION, WE SHOULD HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT HERE TO ANSWER THAT.
UM, BUT THAT'S MY GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS.
UM, DOES THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT COVER TRAIN POLLUTION THAT WOULD BE EMITTED THROUGH THE MOVING SOME OF THE RAIL CARS DOWN HERE? UM,
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IT DOES DISCUSS MAINLINE, UH, EMISSIONS.UM, SO THAT WAS INCLUDED AS PART OF THE MOBILE SOURCES WITHIN THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE.
UM, DO WE HAVE A, AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH ROAD REPLACEMENT TO MILL AND PAVE ABOUT A MILE OF ROAD GIVE OR TAKE? COULD YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION? YEAH.
DO WE KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS TO MILL AND PAVE A ROAD ABOUT A MILE OR SO? THAT WOULD BE A GREAT QUESTION FOR OUR PUBLIC WORK ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE A WE ACTUALLY JUST, JUST WRAPPED UP A CITYWIDE PAVING JOB.
SO WE HAVE SOME RELATIVELY, UM, RECENT NUMBERS FOR A ROAD LIKE HIGHLANDS AVENUE, GIVEN THE CONDITION TO DO A MILL AND OVERLAY, PLUS SOME DIG OUTS WHERE WE GOTTA GO, GO DOWN A LITTLE, LITTLE DEEPER AND REPAIR SOME BASE FOR A MILE, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS.
$1 MILLION FOR, UM, A ROAD OF THIS CLASSIFICATION, GIVEN THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD TO DO ONE MILE TO MILL AND OVERLAY WITH NEW PAVEMENT, AND TO DO SOME SPOT DIG OUTS, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT $1 MILLION FOR ONE MILE OF THIS TYPE OF ROADWAY.
THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
I LOOK FORWARD TO QUESTIONS FOR THE DEVELOPERS, RIGHT? YES.
UM, AS SOME OF THE, UH, EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED, UM, WHICH IS TOUCHING PUBLIC SAFETY OR THE, UH, THE, THE SAFETY OF THIS PROJECT, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTION TO OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED, UH, YOU HAVE SUBMITTED A REPORT THROUGH THE, UH, THROUGH THIS, UM, THROUGH THIS PROJECT WITH REGARDS TO COST RECOVERY, UM, UM, OPERATIONAL COSTS, FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS, CODE COMPLIANCE AND PERMITTING.
BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO TOUCH ON THE PREPAREDNESS AND RECOMMENDATION THAT OUR DEPARTMENT AS THE NATIONAL FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD, UM, WOULD RECOMMEND OR FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, UM, IN OUR CITY.
UM, CERTAINLY, UM, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND CITY STAFF, UH,
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA, I MEAN, YAMANI, UH, WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED COST RECOVERY, BUT WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, MITIGATION MEASURES THAT REQUIRE SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT, SPECIALIZED TRAINING TO REALLY INCREASE OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND TO A HAZARD OF THIS NATURE.
UH, THEY'VE BEEN VERY RECEPTIVE, AND WE HAVE, UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, UH, OUR FIRE MARSHAL DIVISION CHIEF HERNANDEZ, UH, REQUESTED A, A SPECIALIZED REPORT FROM AN ENGINEERING FIRM TO LOOK AT JUST THE FIREFIGHTING COMPONENT AND OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND.
THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN VERY RECEPTIVE TO THAT AND HAS AGREED TO SOME OF OUR ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THEY'RE MENTIONED IN THE REPORT, ONE OF THEM BEING A MOBILE FOAM PLATFORM.
UH, AND, UH, A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THAT WOULD BE A, A UNIT, UH, THIS TYPE OF A HAZARD FOR, FOR US, A A A A, UH, FINDABLE LIQUID FIRE THAT IS THE ACCEPTED AND THE BEST PRACTICE FOR US TO, TO MITIGATE THAT, UH, UTILIZING FOAM.
UH, SO THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO, TO PROVIDE US WITH A PLATFORM OF THAT NATURE ALONG WITH THE TRAINING REQUIRED.
NOW, CURRENTLY, WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO, TO ADDRESS, UM, LIQUID FLAMMABLE FIRES.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE LOOK AT EVERY YEAR, AND IT'S PART OF OUR, OUR TRAINING REGIMEN.
AND, AND WE HAVE EXISTING EQUIPMENT, EXISTING AUTOMATIC AID AND MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS IN THE REGION TO ADDRESS THAT, WHAT THIS, UH, WHAT OUR REQUESTS WERE IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE THAT WOULD INCREASE OUR CAPABILITY.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE HAVE, UM, REALLY TAILORED OUR APPROACH WITH THE APPLICANT IN REGARDS TO PROVIDING US WITH THE EQUIPMENT AND THE TRAINING REQUIRED FOR US TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO, TO BUILD ON OUR, ON OUR SKILLSET AND DEVELOP STRATEGIES AND TACTICS TO ADDRESS THIS ONE SPECIFIC TYPE OF HAZARD WITHIN THE PARTICULAR SITE AS, AS PROPOSED.
UH, THE QUESTION ASKED EARLIER REGARDING OFFSITE, OFFSITE ACCIDENTS SUCH AS THE, THE EXAMPLE OF LA MESA, THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT TOPIC.
UH, CURRENTLY WE DO, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, THAT EXISTS WITHIN OUR CITY CURRENTLY, AND WE ARE PREPARED TO, TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO OUR EFFORTS, AGAIN, HAVE BEEN TAILORED AT THE SPECIFIC SITE AND, AND JUST IN
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THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE, UH, TO HAVE A BETTER OPTION AT ADDRESSING ANY ISSUE THAT MIGHT HAPPEN WITHIN THE FACILITY.I BELIEVE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.
IF, IF NOT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
UM, CHIEF, UM, THERE WAS A, UH, A LATE EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED FROM OUR, FROM OUR, UH, CITY CLERK WITH REGARDS TO ADDITIONAL, UM, REQUIREMENT THAT, UM, I THINK IT'S ABOUT A PHONE OR SOMETHING.
UM, I'M LOOKING FOR THAT EMAIL.
UM, UH, MAYBE OUR, UH, CHIEF FERNANDEZ CAN, UH, CAN, UM, ADDRESS THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST ADDITIONAL, UM, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE, UM, THAT HAVE, UM, ADDED TO THIS, UM, APPLICATION YES.
FOR A SAFETY, UM, ISSUE? YEAH.
UH, CHIEF HERNANDEZ IS RIGHT NEXT TO ME, SO I'LL LET HIM ADDRESS THAT.
BUT YEAH, UH, OUR ROLE, AND THIS IS STRICTLY TO LOOK AT THE, THE PROJECT AND THEN PROVIDE, UH, INFORMATION WHETHER THEY MEET OR EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT.
AND CHIEF HERNANDEZ HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS ISH, ABOUT THREE YEARS.
AND SO HE IS THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR, OUR ESTEEMED CHIEF.
CHIEF COUNCIL MEMBER, YOUR MONEY.
UH, STAFF, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, MY COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS, UH, ROBERT HERNANDEZ, NATIONAL CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT, DIVISION CHIEF AND FIRE MARSHAL, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI.
UM, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, RIGHT? UM, AS THE, THE DIVISION CHIEF AND ALSO THE FIRE MARSHAL FOR NATIONAL CITY, IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT, UH, FOR ME TO TAKE EVERYTHING INTO ACCOUNT.
UM, THERE ARE, UM, CODE BOOKS THAT WE USE EVERY YEAR THAT ARE CODIFIED, THAT ARE ADOPTED, UM, NOT ONLY JUST IN IN THE CITY, BUT STATEWIDE, UH, CALIFORNIA FIRE CODE, CALIFORNIA BILLING CODE, NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION HEALTH AND SAFETY CODES.
AND, AND THESE ARE THE CODES THAT I NAVIGATE AS WELL AS OUR, OUR LOCAL MUNICIPAL CODES.
UM, AND BEING A RESIDENT HERE AS WELL, AND GROWING UP IN THIS COMMUNITY, UM, IT, IT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ASSURE THAT EVERYTHING HERE IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AND, AND THAT, UH, THAT NOT ONLY, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ME TO LOOK AFTER THE CODE, BUT ALSO TO LOOK AFTER THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE SAFE.
SO I PREPARED SOMETHING, IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO READ THIS, AND I THINK THIS WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AND ALLOW ALSO THE RESIDENTS AND, AND, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I LOOK FOR AND WHAT MY OBLIGATIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.
SO IF I MAY, THANK YOU, CHIEF.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS NOT APPROVED THE PRO, UH, PROPOSED PROJECT.
OUR ROLE TO DATE HAS BEEN STRICTLY LIMITED TO CODE COMPLIANCE REVIEW CONDUCTED SOLELY TO ENSURE SHOULD THE PROJECT BE APPROVED BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IT WOULD MEET ALL APPLICABLE FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS AT SET FORTH UNDER OUR CURRENT CODES.
WE ARE FULLY AWARE OF THE SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS RAISED BY RESIDENTS, THE NATIONAL SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND WE TAKE THOSE CONCERNS SERIOUSLY.
HOWEVER, AS REGULATORY AGENCY, OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS NOT TO DETERMINE WHETHER A PROJECT SHOULD MOVE FORWARD, BUT RATHER TO ENSURE IF IT APPROVE, IF APPROVED, IT MEETS THE HIGHEST FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY STANDARDS REQUIRED.
BY LAW, OUR INVOLVED INVOLVEMENT DOES NOT REPRESENT AN ENDORSEMENT OR APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT.
INSTEAD, IT REFLECTS OUR OBLIGATION TO ENSURE THAT THE PROJECT, IF PERMITTED, INCORPORATES ALL NECESSARY FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS AND LIFE SAFETY FEATURES INTO ITS DESIGN AND OPERATION.
ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT ITS FULL PROPOSAL TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UPON RECEIPT, WE WILL FORWARD THE MATERIAL TO OUR THIRD PARTY PLAN REVIEW CONSULTANT, AND WE WILL CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW AND PROVIDE DETAILED COMMENTS, IDENTIFYING ANY ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS NECESSARY TO MEET THE APPLICABLE CODES.
THIS PROCESS ENSURES AN ADDITIONAL LAYER OF OVERSIGHT AND EXPERTISE IN EVALUATING THE SAFETY ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT.
IF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSAL, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE DEVELOPER TO ENFORCE ALL APPLICABLE FIRE CODES AND SAFETY STANDARDS AND PROJECT SPECIFIC CONDITIONS TO SAFEGUARD THE PUBLIC.
SO, COUNCIL MEMBER, AGAIN, MY OBLIGATION IS TO ASSURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS SAFE.
A A PLACE WHERE I GREW UP, A, A, A PLACE WHERE I CURRENTLY LIVE.
UH, AND MY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO ALL OF YOU TO ASSURE THAT I LOOK AT THOSE CODES OVER AND OVER, AND TO ASSURE THAT THEY COMPLY.
AND I ASSURE YOU THAT YOU HAVE MY WORD, THAT I WILL MAKE SURE THAT I DO THAT, AND I WILL DO THAT DILIGENTLY.
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ALRIGHT.I'M GOING TO, UH, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, YOU KNOW, OTHER, UM, DIRECT QUESTIONS AND OH, I'M SORRY, FORGIVE ME.
THE ORDER OF OPERATIONS IS IF WHEN THE APPLICANT GETS TO GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION, THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I AM GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW, AND FIRST WE'RE GONNA HAVE PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT.
OTHERWISE WE'D HAVE TO REMOVE PEOPLE IF THEY'RE GONNA INTERRUPT.
HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS, PLANNING STAFF, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
I'M BILL FING WITH USD CLEAN FUELS.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE APPEAL CERTIFY, THE EIR, THE CUP, THE CDP FOR THE SAN DIEGO CLEAN FUELS PROJECT IN NATIONAL CITY.
I'M PROUD TO PRESENT THIS PRO ENVIRONMENTAL PROJECT TO HELP MEET THE CLEAN AIR GOALS OF NATIONAL CITY.
IT DELIVERS CLEANER AIR THROUGH CLEANER FUELS WITH 2.4 MILLION LESS TRUCK MILES PER YEAR THAN CURRENTLY DELIVER FUELS TO THIS AREA.
FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT ALMOST FOUR YEARS AGO, WE HAVE LISTENED.
WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, THE STAFF, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND WE PRESENT A PROJECT RESPONSIVE TO WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED.
WE REDUCED THE PROJECT BY APPROXIMATELY 50% FROM OUR ORIGINAL DESIGN.
WE DID AN IS AN I REQUESTING AN MND AND THEN DID A FULL EIR STUDY.
WE AGREED TO THE CITY'S DESIGNATED TRUCK ROUTES, AVOIDING SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, AND HOMES.
WE DID EXTENSIVE PUBLIC OUTREACH WHEN UNSPECIFIED BURDENS TO THE CITY WERE RAISED WITH NO REVENUE TO THE CITY FROM THIS PROJECT TO MEET THOSE BURDENS, WE OFFERED SIGNIFICANT AND MEANINGFUL DIRECT ECONOMIC BENEFIT, ESPECIALLY FOR SUCH A SMALL PROJECT.
WE WILL ABIDE BY CONDITIONS OF THE CUP AND THE CDP AS WELL AS ALL OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR OUR PROJECT.
I SAT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING RECENTLY AND I LISTENED INTENTLY.
I WAS TOUCHED BY THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THE GENUINE CONCERNS.
I WAS SADDENED BY WHAT THEY THINK MAY HAPPEN, WHAT THEY FEAR WILL HAPPEN AND WHAT MAY BE THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD MAY HAPPEN.
I WAS SADDENED BECAUSE THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT THE EIR AND THE FACTS OF THIS PROJECT SAY MAY HAPPEN.
THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVE STUDIES OR FACTS TO THE EIR BEFORE THE COUNCIL.
I WILL USE MY TIME TO FOCUS PRIMARILY ON THE ISSUES WE HAVE HEARD REGARDING THE ENVIRONMENT, THE ECONOMY, AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY, THE PRIMARY FOCUS AREAS OF THE COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED.
FIRST, THE PACKING IN FRONT OF YOU REFLECTS A VERY GOOD PRO-ENVIRONMENTAL PROJECT FOR NATIONAL CITY.
CEIR IS THE MOST ROBUST PRE-PROJECT RISK REVIEW PROCESS IN AMERICA.
THAT PROCESS, THAT EIR IN FRONT OF YOU CONCLUDES THAT THERE ARE NO SIGNIFICANT RISKS TO THIS PROJECT.
NONE APPLYING ALL CITY, COUNTY, AND STATE REQUIREMENTS.
THE SUMMARY OF THAT IS IN THIS SLIDE, THE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT COLUMN IS TO THE RIGHT.
I'VE HEARD QUESTIONS RECENTLY ABOUT THE EIR PROCESS.
IT WAS PERFORMED BY A REPUTABLE, INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT E CORP.
THE APPLICANT ALWAYS PAYS FOR SQL PERMITTING AND ALL OTHER PERMITTING ON EVERY PROJECT WE'VE EVER DONE ANYWHERE, INCLUDING EVERY PROJECT IN CALIFORNIA.
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THE CITY STAFF AND DEPARTMENTS WE'RE VERY INVOLVED FROM THE BEGINNING.WE WENT THROUGH PUBLIC MEETING AND PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE SCOPING OF THE EIR AND AGAIN ON THE DRAFT TO FINAL EIR.
AND WE RECEIVED MANY COMMENTS THAT IS ALL PART OF THE EIR PROCESS.
THE COMMENT PERIOD CLOSED LONG AGO.
THE CITY TOOK THE EXTRAORDINARY STEP IN OUR EXPERIENCE OF HIRING A SECOND INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY TO PEER REVIEW THE EIR.
IT WAS A REVIEWED EACH STEP BY CITY STAFF AND CITY LEGAL REPRESENTATION REPRESENTATIVES.
THE EIR STANDS AS THE FACTS TO THE RISK OF THIS PROJECT.
THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE EIR, TO INFORM CITY DECISION MAKERS AND THE PUBLIC ABOUT POTENTIAL RISKS OF THESE PROJECTS.
I ANTICIPATE YOU'LL HEAR A LOT TONIGHT ABOUT TRUCKS AND TRAINS AND AIR QUALITY ABOUT DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER AND ABOUT RESPIRATORY CONCERNS SIGNIFICANTLY AND HOPEFULLY COMFORTING TO MANY.
THE EIR SAYS THAT NONE OF THOSE ARE RISKS OF THIS PROJECT.
THE EIR CONCLUDES THAT THE 72 TRUCKS PER DAY HAVE NO SIGNIFICANT AIR QUALITY IMPACTS ON THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
THE EIR MODELING IS DONE USING WHAT'S CALLED A PROTECTIVE CASE.
NORMALLY WE WOULD CALL THAT A WORST CASE SCENARIO.
IT ASSUMES THAT ALL 72 TRUCKS WOULD BE RUNNING ON CONVENTIONAL FOSSIL FUEL DIESEL.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S THE WORST CASE MODELING APPROACH.
MEANING THAT EVEN IF ALL 72 TRUCKS RAN ON CONVENTIONAL FOSSIL FUEL DIESEL, THERE WOULD BE NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO THIS PROJECT USING ALL LOCAL AIR STANDARDS.
CORRECTION, I THINK IT'S LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT WITH THE AIR.
BUT THE FACTS ON THIS PROJECT ARE BETTER THAN THAT.
THE CALIFORNIA DIESEL POOL IS CURRENTLY APPROXIMATELY 75% RENEWABLE DIESEL.
IT IS MOST LIKELY THAT THE FUEL MIX ON THE TRUCKS ON THIS PROJECT WOULD REFLECT THE CALIFORNIA DIESEL FUEL MIX.
SO THE FACTS ARE EVEN BETTER THAN WHAT WAS MODELED IN THE EIR.
THIS PROJECT IS NEEDED TO BRING MORE RENEWABLE FUEL TO THIS AREA TO APPROACH THE GOAL OF A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEANER FUELS SO THAT ALL VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT IN NATIONAL CITY AND THE SURROUNDING AREA RUN ON RENEWABLE LOWER EMISSION FUELS.
A REASONABLE PHASE IN PERIOD FOR THE TRUCKS TO BE ALL RENEWABLE FUELS CAN BE A CONDITION OF THE CUP.
THE TRUCK TRIPS ON THIS PROJECT ARE AS REPRESENTED ON THE SLIDE.
THOSE ARE THE CORRIDORS WHERE THE RAIL STOPS AND TRUCKS DELIVER FUEL ROUND TRIPS EACH DAY TO THIS AREA, CALIFORNIA IS PUSHING FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLE FUELS.
SO MORE TRUCKS ARE COMING AS CALIFORNIA GETS MORE SUPPLY AND THE DEMAND INCREASES CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES IN CALIFORNIA.
OUR PROJECT PREVENTS EVEN MORE TRUCKS FROM COMING.
CARB SAYS THE RENEWABLE FUELS DECREASE DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER BY 29%.
THIS PROJECT DECREASES DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER IN TWO WAYS BY ELIMINATING THE NEED FOR THE LONG HAUL TRUCK TRIPS BEFORE YOU EACH DAY FROM THE LA AREA.
AND BY DELIVERING A GROWING SUPPLY OF RENEWABLE FUELS FOR USE BY ALL VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT IN AND AROUND NATIONAL CITY, AIR KNOWS NO BOUNDARIES.
THIS IS A WIN-WIN TRUCK IDLING IS NOT ALLOWED FOR MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES ANYWHERE IN THE STATE BY CALIFORNIA STATE LAW.
THE TRUCKS ON THIS PROJECT WILL ABIDE BY THE LAW OR FACE LEGAL AND COMMERCIAL CONSEQUENCES.
WE WILL LOCK OUT OFFENDERS FROM OUR USING OUR FACILITY.
THE PROJECT IS VERY GOOD FOR THE LOCAL ECONOMY AND INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY STUDY CONCLUDES THAT THIS PROJECT WILL RESULT IN $267 MILLION INCREASE IN THE AREA ECONOMY OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS OF OPERATION.
ON TOP OF THAT USD CLEAN FUELS WILL VOLUNTARILY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO NATIONAL CITY AND THE AMOUNT OF $200,000 A YEAR FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT,
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NONE OF WHICH IS OWED.AND IT CAN BE USED FOR IMPLEMENTING STRATEGIES THE CITY DECIDES ARE IMPORTANT TO RELIEVE BURDENS AND IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE IN KANSAS CITY.
NO OTHER PROJECT ON THIS PROPERTY WILL INVOLVE SUCH A PAYMENT.
TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A USD CLEAN FUELS PROJECT FOR THE SOLE SERVICE OF MOVING FUELS FROM THE RAIL CARS DIRECTLY TO TRUCKS.
THE BNSF IS OUR LANDLORD AND THE SERVICING RAILROAD FOR THIS PROJECT.
THE FUEL PRODUCERS ARE OUR CUSTOMERS PAYING US TO TRANSLOAD THE FUEL FROM RAIL TO TRUCK.
AS EVIDENT BY THE BNSF LETTER TO COUNCIL, IT INTENDS TO PUT THIS PROPERTY INTO COMMERCIAL USE.
IF NOT THIS PROJECT, ANOTHER USE.
IT IS SAFE TO ASSUME THAT NO OTHER PROJECT DONE BY B-N-S-F-B-N-S-F WILL NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, HAVE THIS LEVEL OF REVENUE, OR DELIVER SIGNIFICANT CLEAN AIR BENEFITS TO NATIONAL CITY.
THIS PROJECT IS THE BEST ONE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND FOR NATIONAL CITY.
FOR THIS PROPERTY, WE HAVE BEEN ASKED WHY A NATIONAL CITY? WHY NOT SOMEWHERE ELSE? THE FACILITY'S A NATIONAL CITY BECAUSE THIS LOCATION MINIMIZES EMISSIONS AND THE COST OF FUELS.
IT ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR THE CURRENT LONG HAUL TRUCK TRIPS.
TRANSPORTING FUELS FROM LOS ANGELES, IT MINIMIZES LOCAL DELIVERY MILES TO SERVICE STATIONS IN THIS AREA THAT ARE RECEIVING THOSE DELIVERIES TODAY.
AND IT INCREASES THE CLEAN FUELS AVAILABLE TOWARD THE GOAL OF A HUNDRED PERCENT RENEWABLES.
SO THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS IS IN THE EIR.
CLEAN FUELS PRIMARILY COME FROM THE US, MIDWEST AND GULF COAST.
THEY CAN ALSO BE DELIVERED BY WATER.
BUT THE SHIPYARD AND NATIONAL CITY LIMITS WATER ACCESS TO SERVE THIS AREA.
TODAY YOUR RENEWABLES ARE DELIVERED BY RAIL.
THE TRAINS JUST STOP IN THE LA AREA AND THE REST OF THE TRIP IS DELIVERED BY ROUND TRIP TRUCK TRIPS EVERY DAY.
THE TRUCKS FROM OUR PROJECT WILL NOT ADD ANY NEW DELIVERY TRIPS, BUT WE'LL DELIVER TO THE SAME LOCATIONS THEY DELIVER THEM TODAY WITH JUST A LOT LESS EMISSIONS.
SO THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR LOTS OF TRUCK TRIPS, ADDS NO NEW TRUCK TRIPS, PREVENTS MORE FUTURE TRUCK TRIPS, AND BRINGS MORE CLEAN FUEL AND HAS NO POTENTIAL SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ACCORDING TO THE EIR WITH MANY LOCAL BENEFITS.
AGAIN, NO OTHER PROJECT ON THIS PROPERTY WILL DO SO.
THIS PROJECT IS ALSO SAFE TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES, I WILL INTRODUCE ALEX BADE WITH USD CLEAN FUELS TO THE COUNCIL.
ALEX IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT AND IF IT IS APPROVED, WE'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING THE PROJECT WITH THIS
AND THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CONFIRM THIS SPEAK RIGHT, RIGHT INTO THE MIC PLEASE.
I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CONFIRM.
THE FACILITIES DESIGN AND FOCUS HAD THREE KEY DRIVERS.
ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY AND CONTAINMENT, AIR QUALITY AND OPERATIONAL AND STRUCTURAL SAFETY.
AND AS PART OF THIS, THERE HAS BEEN METICULOUS EVALUATION OF ALL OF THESE SYSTEMS. NOT ONLY FOR REGULATORY COMPLIANCE BUT ALSO FOR OUR COMPANY STANDARDS IS WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WORK AT THESE FACILITIES AND WE WANT THEM TO BE SAFE.
AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THIS 'CAUSE I AM PART OF THE TEAM WHO IS PART OF DESIGNING THIS FACILITY AND WHO IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERING THIS FACILITY ON SITE.
THE SPILL CONTAINMENT INDUSTRIAL WASTE SYSTEM IS FULLY CONTAINED.
THIS MEANS PROTECTION UNDER RAIL CARS AND IT MEANS PROTECTION UNDER TRUCKS.
THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS AND EMERGENCY SHUTOFFS.
IT IS A CLOSED SYSTEM, WHICH MEANS NO LIQUID CAN ENTER WATERWAYS.
NO LIQUID CAN EITHER BE ACCIDENTALLY RELEASED OR MANUALLY RELEASED.
THESE MATERIALS WOULD BE RE RELIEVED BY SPECIFIC VAC TRUCKS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW LAW.
THERE IS A VAPOR CONTROL SYSTEM AND IT IS A COMPLETELY CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS NOT ONLY DOES IT MEET AIR PERMIT COMPLIANCE,
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IT IS A QUICK CONNECT SYSTEM.SO THAT MEANS THERE ARE NO VAPORS THAT ESCAPE.
AND IN ORDER TO MEET OUR PERMIT COMPLIANCE, THIS NEEDS TO BE VALIDATED EVERY SINGLE CONNECTION ON A REGULAR BASIS TO ENSURE NO VAPOR ESCAPE.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S OPERATIONAL AND STRUCTURAL SAFETY.
IT IS A FULLY LIT FACILITY THAT WILL HAVE STAFF ON SITE 24 7 MANAGING THESE PROCESSES.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THERE'S GROUNDING AND BONDING ON ALL OF THE RAIL CARS AND TRUCKS TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS NO IGNITION SOURCE.
ALL DRIVERS MUST MEET THE DOT REQUIREMENTS ALONGSIDE OUR OWN TERMINAL REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THIS SITE.
AND FINALLY, THERE'S HIGHLY TRAINED STAFF ON SITE WHO WILL WORK CLOSELY WITH THE RAILWAYS TO ENSURE SAFE DELIVERY OF RAIL CARS ON A REGULAR BASIS.
I'VE WORKED AT A CLASS ONE RAILWAY, I'VE BEEN PART OF BUILDING FACILITIES LIKE THIS WITH USD CLEAN FUELS IN CALIFORNIA AND OTHER AREAS.
AND I KNOW THAT SAFETY IS TOP PRIORITY BOTH FOR US AND FOR THE BNSF AS WELL.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? NO QUESTION.
ARE YOU WILLING TO COMMIT TO THE USE OF ZERO EMISSION, UH, VEHICLES FOR, UM, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT FOR TO, UH, MITIGATE FOR THE, UH, MOBILE SOURCES? SO I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU GUYS WERE SAYING, UH, WHEN YOU SAID IT, UM, THAT THERE WILL BE A LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
AND I WANT THE AUDIENCE TO KNOW THAT IS TRUE, THAT THE EIR DOES STATE THAT IN THE ANALYSIS THAT THERE IS A LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, BUT THERE'S STILL, IT, IT ALSO SAYS THAT THERE'S STILL SOME IMPACT, THERE'S STILL SOME EMISSIONS.
SO ARE YOU ALL WILLING TO COMMIT TO, TO ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES BY A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME? WE WILL TAKE THAT ONE.
UM, AS WE, I THINK HAVE DISCUSSED WITH MANY OF YOU, UM, IF YOU PUT CONDITIONS IN OUR CUP, WE WILL MEET THOSE CONDITIONS.
THE REALITY OF HOW THAT GOES IMPACTS THIS PROJECT IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE CONTRACTS WITH THE TRUCKING COMPANIES.
THOSE WILL BE THE PRODUCERS OF THE FUEL, PRIMARILY THAT CONTRACT WITH THE TRUCKING COMPANIES.
UM, IF THOSE CONDITIONS ARE PART OF OUR PROJECT AND THEY ARE REASONABLE, MEANING THAT THE TRUCKS ARE AVAILABLE AND YOU KNOW, ON A SCHEDULE THAT THEY CAN BE COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE, WHICH THEY ARE NOT TODAY, UM, THEN THAT WILL BE REQUIRED OF THIS PROJECT.
THE OTHER REALITY IS THAT ON THAT CONDITION, SINCE IT DOESN'T RELATE DIRECTLY TO WHAT WE BUILD, THE RAILROADS AND THE PRODUCERS OF THE FUELS THAT ARE THE CUSTOMERS HERE, UM, WILL DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT US TO BUILD THIS PROJECT OR NOT, BASED ON HOW IT IMPACTS THEIR COST AND ABILITY TO DELIVER THESE FUELS.
SO IT'S JUST AN INDEPENDENT DECISION.
BUT I WILL ASSURE YOU, WHEN YOU PUT CONDITIONS ON THIS PROJECT, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PERMIT, WE BELIEVE IN WHAT WE CALL 10000% COMPLIANCE.
IT'S LOUSY MATH, BUT IT'S GOOD COMPLIANCE BECAUSE IT MEANS A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME.
AND THAT'S HOW WE COMMUNICATE IT UNDER.
SO JUST TO REITERATE, WHAT I HEARD WAS BASICALLY WHAT THAT BOILED DOWN TO WAS THAT YES.
THAT IF WE PUT CONDITIONS LIKE ZERO EMISSION VEHICLES, THAT YOU ALL WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT TO WELL, AND I LET, LET ME JUST QUALIFY 'CAUSE I THOUGHT YOU SAID ON A REASONABLE PHASE IN SCHEDULE, WHICH WOULD, IN THIS, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID IN YOUR QUESTION.
I DIDN'T USE THE WORD REASONABLE, BUT SO REASONABLE IS SOMETHING WELL, I JUST MEAN TO, IT'S GOTTA BE A MARKETABLE, THE MARKET HAS TO BE THERE FOR, FOR THEM TO BE USED FOR US TO USE.
UN UNDERSTOOD BY, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY ONLY POINT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, I ASKED EARLIER ABOUT HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND UH, UM, AND, UH, THE, UM, THE INCIDENT WITH THE CITY OF OKLAHOMA WHERE THERE WAS A SPILL, UM, OF, OF DIESEL.
SO, UM, EVEN IF IT'S NOT ON YOUR SITE, WHAT DO YOU GUYS DO IF IT'S ONE OF THE TRUCKS THAT YOU'RE, UM, THAT YOU'RE DOING BUSINESS WITH THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING THESE FUELS FOR AND THERE IS A SPILL.
SO WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING TO MITIGATE FOR THAT OR TO, UM, IS IT INSURANCE? LIKE HOW ARE YOU GUYS ADDRESSING A SPILL FROM REFILLS? YEAH, SO WE WOULD DEAL WITH THAT MUCH LIKE YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT A FILLING STATION.
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SITE, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RESPONSE IN DEALING WITH IT WHEREVER THAT CAME FROM.THAT'S WHY, AS ALEX INDICATED, THE THE DESIGN AND OPERATION STANDARDS WE HAVE ARE VERY HIGH.
ONCE THE TRUCKS AND RAILS LEAVE OUR FACILITY, THEY LEAVE OUR FACILITY.
AND THAT WOULD BE ON THE TRUCKING COMPANY.
JUST LIKE THOSE TRUCKS THAT ARE RUNNING, THEY'RE RUNNING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY TODAY, JUST, THEY'RE JUST DOING ROUND TRIPS FROM LA.
SO AS IN THE INSURANCE FOR THOSE TRUCKING COMPANIES THAT THOSE COVER THE, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SPILL OR I, WHO'S, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE IF THERE'S A SPILL IS MY QUESTION.
I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR OUR FACILITY.
I'M NOT DODGING YOUR QUESTION.
I JUST HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN A SITUATION WHERE, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN A LOT OF FACILITIES AND OUR FACILITIES AND OTHER PLACES I'VE BEEN, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE WHEN IT'S ON OUR FACILITY.
AND OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE TRUCKING DRIVERS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS ARE.
I KNOW ON THE RAILROAD, IF IT'S A RAILROAD INCIDENT, THE RAILROAD'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
UH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON PAGE FOUR OF YOUR SLIDE DECK.
IT'S THE, UM, THE, THE SLIDE THAT, UM, HIGHLIGHTS RAIL ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR 2.4 MILLION TRUCK MILES PER YEAR.
AND THAT FACT IS AGAIN HIGHLIGHTED ON PAGE SEVEN, UH, 2.4 MILLION TRUCK MILES PER YEAR.
THIS IS MEANT TO SHOWCASE THE FACT THAT, UH, TRUCKS WOULD NO LONGER TRANSPORT THESE FUELS FROM THE LA AREA.
BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE COMING DOWN VIA RAIL.
SO WHAT WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THIS FACT IS THAT IT DOESN'T EQUATE THE TRANSPORT VIA RAIL.
SO WHAT I WOULD PREFER TO SEE, SO THAT I CAN MAKE THE CORRELATION IS IN FACT HOW MUCH, UM, PARTICULATE MATTER, 2.5 MICRON SIZE IS BEING ELIMINATED WITH THIS 2.4 MILLION TRUCK MILES PER YEAR.
AND, UM, THE, UM, THE OXIDES OF NITROGEN, HOW MUCH IS BEING ELIMINATED BY THESE TRUCKS AND, UH, HOW MUCH IS BEING PRODUCED BY THE RAIL? THAT WOULD ALLOW ME TO CORRELATE IN FACT, YOU KNOW, THE AIR QUALITY THAT THIS PROJECT DOES IN FACT PURPORT TO, TO, TO HANDLE.
AND, AND IT'S A BIT OF A TECHNICAL QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE ANSWER, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A CORRELATION HERE.
AND, AND IF I MAY, COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY THE NET, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE RAIL WILL HAVE, UH, EMISSIONS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS I UNDERSTAND RAIL COMPARED TO THE TRUCK TRIP, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND RAIL TO BE A HELL OF A LOT MORE POLLUTING THAN THAN TRUCKS.
AND THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED THAT TRUCKS IN ARE, UH, MOVING TOWARDS CLEANER FUEL, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU GET MY POINT WHERE I'M GOING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD KEVIN LABOUR.
'CAUSE I THINK I'LL GIVE HIM THE FIRST CHANCE OF DOING THAT BECAUSE HE WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THOSE CALCULATIONS.
MY NAME IS KEVIN LABOUR AND I HEAD UP US DEVELOPMENT CLEAN FUELS, UH, PROJECT DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE SHORT ANSWER, UM, COUNCILWOMAN, UH, MOLINA IS A 75% REDUCTION.
SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRUCKING VERSUS RAIL, AND THIS IS FROM THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF RAILROADS, FREIGHT IS MINIMALLY, MINIMALLY THREE TIMES MORE FUEL EFFICIENT THAN TRUCKS.
A TRAIN CAN CARRY ONE TON OF THESE RENEWABLE FUELS ON A SINGLE GALLON OF FUEL.
TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD TAKE HUNDREDS OF TRUCKS TO CARRY THE SAME AMOUNT OF CARGO AS ONE TRAIN.
IT'S WHEN, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE REALITY OF A TRUCK ENGINE AND A LOCOMOTIVE ENGINE, UM, YES, A A A SINGLE LOCOMOTIVE ENGINE IS LESS, IT WILL BURN MORE AND, AND PRODUCE MORE EMISSIONS THAN A SINGLE TRUCK ENGINE.
HOWEVER, THAT'S, THAT'S MISLEADING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FOCUS ON A SINGLE ENGINE AND IT DOESN'T COUNT ACCOUNT FOR THE TRAIN'S SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER CARRYING CAPACITY AND, AND FUEL EFFICIENCY.
SO THE ANSWER ON THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS ARE, AND, AND, AND THESE CALCULATIONS AND THE METHODOLOGY COMES FROM AMERICAN RAIL ASSOCIATION.
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THAT, THAT WE FORMULATED 75% LESS GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, 10 TIMES LESS INTENSIVE EMISSIONS ON A PER TON BASIS.SO IT, IT'S VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT.
AND AGAIN, I, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH, IT WOULD TAKE HUNDREDS OF TRUCKS TO REPLACE ONE TRAIN.
BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER BECAUSE THAT'S THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND THAT'S SEPARATE AND OR ARE YOU SAYING ALL OF IT COMBINED OR BECAUSE ALL OF IT COMBINED FOR ME, IT'S THE DIESEL PARTICULATE MATTER THAT'S, THAT'S ALL OF IT COMBINED.
SO DOES THAT, UH, THE, THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF THESE TRUCKS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, TRAVELING THESE MANY MILLIONS OF MILES, IF THE TRUCKS ARE ON, IF 70% OF THESE TRUCKS ARE ON CLEAN FUELS ON, IN FACT, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE STATISTIC THAT I LEARNED FROM BILL WHEN WE WERE HAVING OUR DISCUSSIONS PRIOR TO TONIGHT.
HE SAID, UM, UP TO 70% OF THE TRUCKS TODAY ACTUALLY RUN ON CLEAN FUELS.
SO DO THE, DO THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SH ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW, DOES THAT RELY ON THE TRUCKS BEING 70% OF THE TRUCKS BEING ON DIESEL, UH, ON CLEAN DIESEL? WELL, THAT WE TAKE, WE TOOK A VERY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH.
IT'S ACTUALLY HIGHER AND IT'S MORE EFFICIENT WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE, THE 70 TO 75% THAT ARE ALREADY RUN RUNNING ON THESE FUELS.
SO OUR, OUR METHODOLOGY, WE TOOK, WE TOOK A MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH, A WORST CASE ANALYSIS.
AND THE NUMBERS ARE ACTUALLY BETTER WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE REALITY OF WHAT THEY'RE RUNNING ON.
SO THE EMISSIONS FROM THE CLEANER TR CLEANER FUELED TRUCKS MM-HMM
BUT NOW IF THEY ARE GONNA GO ON TRAIN, IF THIS DIESEL, IF THESE BIOFUELS ARE NOW GONNA GO ON TRAIN, THE TRAIN ISN'T GONNA BE ANY BETTER.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CARRYING CAPACITY OF THE TRAIN AGAINST THE EMISSIONS OF THE CLEANER OF THE, OF THE DIESEL TRUCKS THAT ARE RUNNING RENEWABLE DIESEL, YOU STILL GET EXPONENTIAL EFFICIENCIES BECAUSE YOU'RE MOVING MORE CARGO WITH ONE LOCOMOTIVE.
SO IT TAKES MORE TRUCKS TO CARRY THE, THE SAME AMOUNT OF CARGO.
AND EVEN THOUGH THOSE TRUCKS ARE BURNING CLEANER DIESEL, YOU'RE STILL LESS EFFICIENT THAN, THAN THE LOCOMOTIVES.
UM, AND, AND IS THAT, UH, WE WERE DISCUSSING, UH, MARCUS AND I, WHETHER THAT LONG HAUL SPOT, YOU KNOW, FROM FROM LA DOWN, ARE THOSE EMISSIONS FROM THE RAIL? ARE THOSE NUMBERS PART OF THE, UM, EIR PERTINENT TO NATIONAL CITY? I'M, I'M GONNA ASK OUR, OUR EIR AUTHOR TO COME UP.
DAVID, IF YOU OR, OR SETH WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT.
THERE'S, THERE'S A VERY, IT'S A VERY TECHNICAL QUESTION AND IT'S VERY SPECIFIC IN EIR.
UH, VICE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
YOUR QUESTION, UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT IT PLEASE? SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LONG HAUL RAIL, UM, TRANSIT RIGHT FROM LONG BEACH AREA OR WHEREVER IT IS IN LA YES.
THE EMISSIONS COMING FROM THE RAIL MM-HMM
ARE THOSE EMISSIONS PART OF THE CALCULATIONS THAT ARE USED IN THE EIR FOR THE NATIONAL CITY AREA? ARE THEY CALCULATED IN THERE? YES.
SO THE, UH, OPERATIONAL EMISSIONS OF DELIVERING THE FUEL BY RAIL, EXCUSE ME, OUR COUNTY IN THE EIR ANALYSIS, IN THE AIR QUALITY ANALYSIS, IT ASSUMES THAT THERE'S A 63 MILE TRIP FROM THE COUNTY LINE, THE ORANGE COUNTY, SAN DIEGO COUNTY LINE DOWN TO THE PROJECT SITE.
SO THE, THE INFORMATION THAT'S PRESENTED IN OUR EIR ABOUT DAILY EMISSIONS IS INCLUSIVE OF BOTH TRUCK TRIPS, MOBILE SOURCES, STATIONARY SOURCES, AS WELL AS THE RAIL SOURCES.
SO THAT LONG HAUL WITHIN THE COUNTY LINE.
UM, I DO HAVE, UH, SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU ALL.
I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE, BUT, UM, WE MAY HAVE TO TAG TEAM A LITTLE BIT
JUST AS A CURIOSITY, HOW MANY OTHER TRANSFER STATIONS DO YOU OPERATE AROUND THE COUNTRY? UH, CLEAN FUELS STATIONS.
HOW MANY TRANSFER STATIONS DO YOU ALL OPERATE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY CURRENTLY? CORRECT? WE HAVE, WE HAVE ONE OPERATIONAL IN CALIFORNIA NOW.
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YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.AND, UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER THAT'S IN THE PROCESS OF BEING COMMERCIALIZED AND CONSTRUCTED.
AND HOW ABOUT NATIONWIDE? BUT WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF FACILITIES.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE HISTORICALLY IS BUILT THESE FACILITIES TERMINALS OF, OF VARIOUS KINDS.
SO WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST COMPANIES, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN ETHANOL BECAME THE NEW OXYGENATE FOR GASOLINE, THAT WAS ENVIRONMENTALLY PREFERRED.
SO WE BUILT A LARGE NETWORK OF ETHANOL FACILITIES.
AND THEN WE'RE A DEVELOPMENT COMPANY.
OUR GOAL IS NOT TO KEEP BUILDING AND OPERATING.
SO WE'VE HAD AT LEAST TWO SIGNIFICANT SALES WHERE WE WILL BUILD THESE FACILITIES AND THEN SELL THEM TO OTHER PARTIES AND MONETIZE BOTH OF THOSE SALES HAPPENED BEFORE I JOINED THE COMPANY SEVEN YEARS AGO.
AND SO, AND THEN WE HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER FACILITIES THAT DO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY CLEAN FUELS TERMINALS.
AND SO TWO OF THEM IN CALIFORNIA.
HOW MANY OF 'EM, UM, COUNTRYWIDE FOR FUEL TRANSFER STATIONS THAT YOU, FOR FUEL, FOR FUEL THAT YOU CURRENTLY OPERATE? I, I THINK THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES WE ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING BECAUSE THE OTHER ONES WE'VE DEVELOPED AND SOLD AND THEN WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, CRUDE OIL FACILITIES FROM CANADA AND VARIOUS PLACES THAT NEED IT.
SO THE BUSINESS MODEL IS, IS TO BUILD THEM AND THEN TO, WE SELL THEM OVERTIME DEPENDING ON THE PROFIT MARGIN.
WELL, WHAT WE DO IS WE DO THAT AND THEN PEOPLE LIKE THEM, SOMETIMES OUR CUSTOMERS, SOMETIMES OTHER PEOPLE, AND THEY SAY, WE WANNA BUY YOUR NETWORK.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DEVELOP 'EM.
AND SO OUR, OUR, THE COMPANY'S APPROACH HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN WE BUILD THINGS THAT WE ARE HAPPY OPERATING AND ARE QUALITY.
AND THEN IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND THEY VALUE 'EM MORE THAN WE DO, THEN THE OWNERS OF THE COMPANY DECIDE THEY'RE HAPPY TO SELL 'EM AND WE WILL GO REPEAT THE PROCESS.
IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT THAT'S MAYBE SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERATE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IN THE FUTURE SEEN AS THAT, AS YOUR BUSINESS MODEL? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THAT COULD HAPPEN.
I MEAN, I THINK AT THIS STAGE, THESE ARE PRETTY EARLY STAGE FACILITIES WITH CLEAN FUELS, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, USUALLY THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME SCALE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A FRANCHISE.
IF YOU'RE RUNNING RESTAURANTS, NO ONE TYPICALLY WANTS TO BUY TWO OR THREE OF 'EM.
THEY WANT YOU TO HAVE ENOUGH THAT THE REVENUE MODELS AND STUFF THEY JUMP INTO.
BUT YEAH, WE WOULD BE CERTAINLY, WE'D BE OPEN TO THAT IN OUR BUSINESS MODEL.
AND DO YOU KNOW CURRENTLY HOW MANY OF YOUR, THE TRUCKS THAT BRING THE FUEL FROM SAN BERNARDINO AND LONG BEACH, HOW MANY OF THEM PASS THROUGH NATIONAL CITY NOW? DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA? WE DO NOT.
I WOULD SAY, HELP ME, I THINK THE ROUGH CALCULATION, IF WE CAN DO ROUGH MATH, AND I'M NOT THE ONE TO DO IT, BUT IF, IF WE THINK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF THE SIZE OF OUR FACILITY THAT I THINK IN OUR INFORMATION SAYS AN APPROXIMATELY 30, 35 MILE RADIUS OF SERVICE AROUND HERE.
OBVIOUSLY NOT THE WATER, BUT THE LAND.
AND SO WE COULD PROBABLY EQUATE THAT TO HOW MUCH A FUEL TRUCK CARRIES AND COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER OF DELIVERY TRUCKS.
I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY TRUCKS DRIVE BY NATIONAL CITY THAT BRING THE FUEL FROM THE TRANSPORTATIONS IN SAN BERNARDINO AND IN LA COUNTY.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU COME UP AND, AND SPEAK? SO FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE, UH, FOLKS THAT ARE LIVE ON ZOOMS. SO THE QUESTION AROUND HOW MANY TRUCKS ORIGINATE AT ONE OF OUR INLAND EMPIRE FACILITIES, WEST COLTON OR SAN BERNARDINO ACTUALLY COME INTO NATIONAL CITY DRIVE THROUGH NATIONAL CITY NOW HOW MANY TRUCKS DRIVE THROUGH? WE CAN, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE WOULD GO BACK AND WE'D LOOK AT OUR BILL OF LADINGS AND WE CAN TRACE TRUCKS FROM ORIGIN TO DESTINATION LOCATIONS AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN ALLUDED TO BEFORE, BUT IN CASE THERE'S A GAS BILL ON, ON THE SITE THAT YOU WOULD OPERATE, UM, WHO WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THE CLEANUP? WHO WOULD PAY FOR IT IF THERE WERE A GAS SPILL? IF THERE WAS A FUEL SPILL WITHIN THE FACILITY THAT YOU ALL OPERATE, WHO WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THE CLEANUP? THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
AND, UM, WHAT ABOUT ANY SECONDARY IMPACTS TO A POTENTIAL GAS SPILL? CAN YOU BE SPECIFIC? SO THERE'S A SPILL IN A STREET
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SURROUNDING AND, UH, THE FUEL GOES THROUGH THE GUTTERS.LIKE IT HAPPENED IN EL CAJON LAST YEAR.
WHO IS IN CHARGE RESPONSIBILITY? THAT WOULD ALSO BE OUR, FOR THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
YOU ALL WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? YES.
AND THE VICINITY OF YOUR PROPERTY? CORRECT.
UM, DO YOU KNOW, AND WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION LAST WEEK, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY, UH, TRAINED DERAILMENTS HAVE HAPPENED IN CALIFORNIA THIS YEAR? UM, YOU, YOU HAD THAT STATISTIC LAST WEEK? I, I DON'T RECALL THE NUMBER.
UH, ACCORDING TO THE FEDERAL RAILROAD ADMINISTRATION, UH, WHICH IS A PUBLIC OFFICE, UH, THERE WERE 65 DERAILMENTS THIS YEAR ALONE.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM WERE IN BNSF FACILITIES? I DO NOT.
WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CASE OF A DERAILMENT IN ONE OF YOUR TRANSFER STATIONS? WELL, I'M GONNA BRING ALEX BACK UP BECAUSE SHE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT THE CONTAINMENT AND, AND, OKAY.
HEY AUDIENCE, UH, I'M GONNA ASK YOU GUYS TO PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL.
WE'RE TRYING TO, THIS IS A PUBLIC, THIS IS AQUA, THIS IS A, THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL, THIS IS A QUA, A QUASI-JUDICIAL PUBLIC HEARING.
WE NEED TO HAVE ALL OF THE FACTS HERE.
SO I'M ASKING THE AUDIENCE MEMBERS TO BE RESPECTFUL.
WE HAVE TO RESPECT THE APPLICANTS.
THE APPLICANTS HAVE TO RESPECT YOU ALL.
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA ASK YOU GUYS TO JUST BE RESPECTFUL.
UM, BEFORE I LET ALEX TALK ABOUT THE CONTAINMENT, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BRING UP A POINT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK.
AND THAT IS, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT DERAILMENTS AND THE NUMBER OF DERAILMENTS IN CALIFORNIA, AND YOU, YOU MENTIONED ON BNSF RAIL TRACK, UM, KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN THE RAIL CARS COME INTO OUR FACILITY, THEY'RE TRAVELING AT LESS THAN 10 MILES PER HOUR, TYPICALLY CLOSER TO FIVE MILES PER HOUR.
SO THE RISK OF A DERAILMENT IS EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY LOW.
AND IF THERE IS A DERAILMENT AT THOSE SPEEDS, IT'S NOT THE TYPE OF DERAILMENT THAT YOU SEE ON THE HEADLINE NEWS WHERE YOU HAVE TRAINS GOING ALONG AT 40, 50, 60 MILES AN HOUR AND YOU HAVE MULTIPLE CARS PILING UP IN RELEASES.
THESE ARE VERY SLOW MOVING RAIL CARS IN A VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT.
AND I'LL LET ALEX FOLLOW UP WITH SOME MORE DISCUSSION ON THE CONTAINMENT.
WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU MIND REPEATING YOUR QUESTION AGAIN? JUST WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CASE OF A, OF A CAR DERAILMENT? YEAH.
ON THE TRAIN TRACKS WHILE IT'S AT OUR FACILITY? IS THAT THE QUESTION OR? CORRECT.
SO THERE IS CONTAINMENT UNDERNEATH BOTH THE RAIL CARS AND THE TRUCK, AND IT GOES TO A COMPLETELY CLOSED SYSTEM.
SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY LIQUID THAT WOULD GO INTO WATERWAYS OR INTO SEWER SYSTEMS. SO ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS ON OUR SITE, THAT'S WHAT THE CONTAINMENT IS FOR.
OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AND PART OF YOUR QUESTION HAS BEEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF, YOU KNOW, BNSF HAD DERAILMENTS, I MEAN, WE WOULD WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM TO ENSURE SAFETY.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK A HUGE COMPONENT IS US WORKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE TO ENSURE