* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] WE CAN EVER GET EVERYONE SEATED [1. CALL TO ORDER] AND READY TO GO. OKAY. BEFORE WE, UH, PROCEED. OKAY. IF WE COULD QUIETEN DOWN THERE IN THE BACK. THANK YOU. SORRY. OKAY. BEFORE WE PROCEED, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE INTERPRETER TAKE A MOMENT TO EXPLAIN THE CITY'S INTERPRETATION SERVICES THAT WILL BE OFFERED FOR THIS EVENING'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AS A REMINDER, WE COULD PLEASE SILENCE, UH, ALL CELL PHONES OR ANY OTHER DEVICES IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. AND A LIVE WEBCAST OF THE MEETING MAY BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. IF YOU'RE WATCHING VIA ZOOM, INTERPRETER INSTRUCTIONS WILL APPEAR AT THE, IN THE CHAT BOX AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN. FOR THOSE WHO PREFER TO SIT IN THE CHAMBER, HEADSETS ARE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE LIVE SPANISH TRANSLATION, PLEASE SEE THE CITY CLERK TO CHECK OUT A HEADSET. THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NASHVILLE CITY'S WEBSITE INFORMS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR A PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM A NUMBER OF WAYS, EITHER IN PERSON BY SUBMITTING ONE OF THESE SALMON COLORED SLIPS, UH, WHICH ARE AVAILABLE AT THE BACK OF THE, UH, CHAMBERS, AND GET THOSE OVER TO OUR CITY CLERK OR VIA ZOOM BY PRE-REGISTERING ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, NO LATER THAN TWO HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING OR EMAILING NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING. AND ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED ARE DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IF RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE WITH THAT CITY CLERK, WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER YAMANI HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA. PRESENT, VICE MAYOR BUSH. HERE. MAYOR MARSON. UH, PRESENT. CAN WE HAVE A QUORUM? THANK YOU. IF WE COULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION. UH, MEMBER YAMANI, WOULD YOU LEAD US? PLEASE, PLEASE STAND. READY. BEGIN P ALL FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS? ONE NATION, GOD, INDIVISIBLE. WITH LIBERTY. LIBERTY, JUSTICE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. THOSE WHO WISH, PLEASE ACCOMPANY ME IN PRAYER. LORD GOD, THIS ROOM IS FILLED WITH THE LEADERS OF OUR BELOVED CITY, NATIONAL CITY. WE THANK YOU FOR THE TALENTS YOU HAVE GIVEN TO THEM, AND LORD, IN FRONT OF ME, I PRAY THAT YOU WILL GIVE THESE LEADERS WISDOM, DIRECTION AND THE ABILITY TO MAKE WISE DECISIONS TONIGHT. THANK YOU, LORD. CONTINUE TO BLESS OUR CITY FOR WE PRAY IT IN YOUR NAME. AMEN. PLEASE BE SEATED. AND YOU ARE HARRY BENNETT, RETIRED, UH, PASTOR AND CHAPLAIN. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, UH, WE WILL NOW HEAR [5. PUBLIC COMMENT (Part 1 of 2)] PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS OR MATTER THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, AND, UH, WE WILL, WE DO HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF NON-AGENDA PUBLIC SPEAKERS. I'M GONNA LIMIT YOU TO TWO MINUTES, UH, FOR EACH SPEAKER. WE DO THAT. AND, UH, UH, DO WE HAVE, UH, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE ON ZOOM? WE HAVE THREE. THREE ON ZOOM. I GOT A FUNNY FEELING. THOSE ARE GONNA GO TO THE END BECAUSE AS I SAY, WE GOT ABOUT, LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 25 HERE, SPEAKERS. SO, UM, ANYWAY, UH, WE'LL START OFF. BRIAN CLAPPER, BE FOLLOWED BY ALICIA MORRISON, BE FOLLOWED BY DOYLE MORRISON. AND PLEASE COME INTO THE, THE CENTER AREA WHERE YOUR NAMES ARE CALLED, SO THAT WAY IT GOES A LOT FASTER. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR. UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF CITY, EVERYONE HERE. UH, AS YOU KNOW, OUR CARNIVAL IS FAST APPROACHING AND I'VE LEFT YOU GUYS EACH WITH A, THE HOT OFF THE PRESS, THE POSTER, AND THE PAY ONE PRICE COUPONS FOR A COUPLE. BUT AGAIN, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ASK IF YOU COULD PLEASE, PLEASE. [00:05:01] UM, WE'VE ALREADY SPENT ON JUST, JUST OUR EXPENSES. IT'S GETTING SO EXPENSIVE THAT IT'S HARD FOR US TO PUT ON THIS EVENT, AND I'M GONNA ASK AGAIN IF WE COULD PLEASE, PLEASE BE, BE REAL PARTNERS AND WORK TOGETHER AND FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, NATIONAL CITY'S RIGHT UP THERE RIGHT ON THE POSTER, AND WE LOVE DOING THIS CARNIVAL. THIS WILL BE OUR 79TH YEAR, 60 YEARS WITH CHRISTIANSEN AMUSEMENTS THIS COUPON, BY THE WAY, I TALKED TO 'EM TODAY. THIS IS THE ONLY PAY ONE PRICE COUPON IN ALL OF THEIR EVENTS. SO A FAMILY CAN PAY ONE PRICE AND SAVE $5 ON IN OUR EVENT. SO PLEASE LET ME KNOW, AND I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR FROM THE CITY TO SEE IF WE CAN REALLY MAKE THIS A TRUE PARTNERSHIP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT WE HAVE ALICIA MORRISON, FOLLOWED BY DOYLE MORRISON, FOLLOWED BY WENDY EGAN ON MAY 30TH. REQUESTED PRODUCED THE PHONE BILLS AND INVOICES. SO WE CAN SEE THE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE SWEETWATER AND ORANGE GASOLINE STATION PROJECT. APPLICANTS REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF NUMBER EIGHT PRODUCE THE PHONE BILLS AND INVOICES FOR THE FOLLOWING NUMBERS FOR THE PERIOD JANUARY TO DECEMBER, 2024 THAT WERE CHARGED TO OR PAID BY THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. AS TO RON MORRISONS, THREE NUMBERS LISTED. REQUEST NUMBER NINE AS TO JOSIE FLORES COLAR. FOUR PHONES IDENTIFIED. REQUEST NUMBER 10. AS TO BEN MARTINEZ, TWO PHONES IDENTIFIED, ONE OF WHICH HE GOT RID OF. REQUEST NUMBER 11, AS TO MARTIN READER'S PHONE REQUEST NUMBER 12 AS TOCAR AGUIRRE'S PHONES, TWO PHONES WERE IDENTIFIED. THANK YOU. YEP. DOYLE MORRISON, FOLLOWED BY WENDY EGAN, FOLLOWED BY ASHLEY MORRISON. HELLO, EVERYBODY. UH, MR. MAYOR, YOU HAVE STATED IN PREVIOUS PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT QUOTE, UNQUOTE, WE HAVE LOOKED EVERYWHERE. WE HAVE SECURED, UH, WE HAVE SCOURED EVERYWHERE, LOOK FOR EVERYTHING, UNQUOTE, OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD REQUEST. AND SO I'M, UH, HERE TO, UH, REQUEST FOR THE PRODUCTION NUMBER 30 TO PRO PRODUCE, UM, ALL THE ELECTRONIC, UH, INFORMATION AND WRITINGS AND FORMS OF EMAILS, TEXT MESSAGES, OUTLOOK, CALENDAR ENTRIES TO AND FROM, UH, FOR RELATING TO THE PROJECT FOR EDDIE, UH, FOR EDDIE BRICO, UH, FOR HIS EMAILS AND PHONE NUMBERS. UH, ALSO REQUEST PRODUCTION NUMBER 31, PRODUCE THE ESI FOR WRITINGS AND FORMS, THE EMAILS, TEXT MESSAGE, OUTLOOK, CALENDAR ENTRIES TO AND FROM, AND FOR JOSEPH BRICO OF HIS EMAILS AND PHONE NUMBERS, UH, REQUEST AND PRODUCTION NUMBER 32 TO PRODUCE ALL ESI AND WRITINGS AND FORM THE EMAILS, TEXT MESSAGE, OUTLOOK, CALENDAR ENTRIES TO AND FROM FOR ROBERT, UH, ZAKAR, UH, RELATING TO THE PROJECT AND HIS PHONE NUMBER. I ALSO, UM, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THE GAS STATION AT, UM, 30TH AND HIGHLAND, THE MOBILE STATION. I'VE BEEN HERE SEVERAL TIMES. I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE CAN GET THIS WRONG, BUT I NEVER ONCE DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE SALES OF PROPANE, UM, AT THAT GAS STATION. I'M SURE THAT'S LEGAL, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE CHIEF MORROW WILL TELL YOU, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED, WHETHER IT'S EMPTY OR FULL TO STORE PROPANE INSIDE A BUILDING. UM, I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD REALLY LOOK INTO IT. THERE ARE QUITE A FEW VIDEOS OUT THERE WHERE, UH, A LITTLE SMALL FIVE GALLON PROPANE TANK WILL EXPLODE AND IT'S CATASTROPHIC. SO PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU GUYS LOOK INTO THAT. UM, WE AS THE PUBLIC WANT TO LET THE PUBLIC THAT'S HERE KNOW, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT, THAT ALL THESE THINGS HAVE STILL NOT BEEN PRODUCED AND ARE STILL MISSING. NEXT, WE HAVE WENDY EAGAN, UH, FOLLOWED BY ASHLEY MORRISON, FOLLOWED BY STUART MORRISON. I GONNA MAKE THIS QUICK. COUNCIL MEMBERS. HI EVERYBODY. UM, SO THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SPEAKING. UH, MY NAME IS WENDY EAGAN. I'M THE RESIDENT OF NATIONAL CITY LONGTIME RESIDENT AND MOTHER OF A 10-YEAR-OLD WITH SPECIAL NEEDS. I'M HERE TODAY TO BRING AWARENESS TO AN URGENT NEED, UH, FOR INCLUSIVE RECREATIONAL PROGRAMS FOR OUR KIDS. UM, LIKE MANY PARENTS, I'VE TRIED TO ENROLL MY SON IN NASHVILLE CITY PARK AND RECS PROGRAMS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE NOT EQUIPPED TO MEET UNIQUE NEEDS. UM, THAT EXPERIENCE LED ME TO TAKE ACTION. I RECENTLY FOUNDED INCLUSIVE KIDS NETWORK. MM-HMM . UM, A PARENT LED INITIATIVE, UH, DEDICATED TO CREATING FREE INCLUSIVE SPORTS AND ACTIVITY PROGRAMS FOR [00:10:01] CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL NEEDS RIGHT HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. UM, THESE PROGRAMS ARE NOT JUST ABOUT SPORTS, THEY'RE ABOUT BELONGING, GIVING OUR CHILDREN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE, GROW, AND CONNECT, WHILE ALSO ALLOWING, ALLOWING US THE PARENTS TO BE ABLE TO SEE THEM PARTICIPATE IN THESE, IN THESE PROGRAMS. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T GET TO SEE THEM, UH, PLAY IN SPORTS BECAUSE THEY'RE COMPETITIVE SPORTS. SO I WANNA BRING THIS PROGRAM TO NATIONAL CITY FOR OUR KIDS, AND I'M HERE TO ASK YOU GUYS IF WE CAN USE THE FACILITIES AT NO COST. YOU KNOW, I KNOW I'M NOT AN THE AGENDA, BUT I WANNA GET IN THE AGENDA SO YOU GUYS CAN VOTE. UM, SO WE ARE ABLE TO USE THOSE FACILITIES, UM, ALL OF OUR PARENTS FOR OUR KIDS. AND, UM, I'M LICENSED AND, UM, I AM A 5 0 1 3 C AND VERY GOOD NONPROFIT. SO, AND IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE PARENT INITIATIVE. AND, UM, I AM EXCITED FOR THIS AND I, I'M COUNTING ON YOU GUYS FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND HELP TO BRING THIS TO OUR KIDS BECAUSE I HAVE OVER A HUNDRED PARENTS INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN, IN THIS PROGRAM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, WENDY. APPRECIATE, UH, ASHLEY MORRISON TO BE FOLLOWED BY STUART MORRISON TO BE FOLLOWED BY, I'M SORRY. UH, AMELIA SAMPSON IN HIS GETTYSBURG ADDRESS, ABRAHAM LINCOLN ICONICALLY SAID, GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE. FOR THE PEOPLE, WHEN THE PEOPLE VOTE, THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR TRUST IN THE PERSON THEY THINK WILL BE THE BEST CANDIDATE TO REPRESENT THEM. I'M FINDING IT REALLY HARD TO TRUST POLITICAL LEADERS NOWADAYS. LACK OF TRANSPARENCY. HOW AM I TO TRUST IN OUR GOVERNMENT? IT STARTS HERE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. THAT'S WHERE IT ALL BEGINS. IT'S TIME TO PRODUCE ALL THE DOCUMENTS. THERE'S TWO REMAINING DEPOSITIONS TO PRODUCE. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, STUART MORRISON TO BE FOLLOWED BY AMELIA SAMPSON, TO BE FOLLOWED BY MARIANA PLUTO. HELLO, MAYOR. IN PREVIOUS PUBLIC HEARINGS, YOU STATED THAT WE HAVE LOOKED EVERYWHERE, WE HAVE SCOURED EVERYWHERE, LOOKED THROUGH EVERYTHING. THESE ARE YOUR WORDS, MAYOR MORRISON. FROM THE DEPOSITIONS, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN PRODUCED. WE AS THE PUBLIC WANT TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THESE THINGS STILL HAVE NOT BEEN PRODUCED AND ARE STILL MISSING. WE ARE ASKING AGAIN DURING THIS PUBLIC COMMENT TO PRODUCE ALL THE RECORDS. THANK YOU. UM, AMELIA SAMPSON, MARIANA POLITO, AND, UH, THEN MARIA SEVERSON. GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS AMELIA SAMSON AND I RESIDE AT 1902 EAST 17TH STREET HERE IN NATIONAL CITY. I AM HERE TO ADDRESS AN URGENT ISSUE REGARDING A CONTRACTOR HIRED BY THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, WHICH RESULTED IN SIGNIFICANT FLOODING IN MY PROPERTY ON MARCH 6TH. SINCE THAT DATE, MY SON, WHO HAS CEREBRAL PALSY, HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO LIVE IN OUR HOUSE. DUE TO THE INCOMPLETE REPAIRS AND POOR AIR QUALITY CAUSED BY THE ASBESTOS EXPOSURE, THE DIS THIS DISPLACED HIM FROM HIS HOME AND LEFT ME, MY HUSBAND AND MY STEPSON, LIVING IN UNSAFE CONDITIONS. I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THE CITY HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THESE REPAIRS ARE COMPLETED PROMPTLY. I HAVE REACHED OUT FOR ASSISTANCE AND WAS TOLD TO PAY FOR THE REPAIRS MYSELF, AND THEN SUBMIT A CLAIM TO SEE IF WE WOULD BE REIMBURSED. HOWEVER, MY FAMILY CANNOT AFFORD TO COVER THESE COSTS WHEN TODAY'S COST OF LIVING, ESPECIALLY AFTER BEING PLACED IN THIS SITUATION FOR ALMOST THREE MONTHS. BOTH MY HUSBAND AND MYSELF HAVE MISSED WORK TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THE CONTRACTOR AND BEING HOME WITH NO ONE SHOWING UP. AS YOU WILL SEE IN THE COPIES OF THE TEXTS THAT I HAVE PROVIDED FOR YOU, THIS EXPERIENCE HAS DISRUPTED OUR LIVES AND JEOPARDIZED OUR HEALTH AND SAFETY. I RESPECTFULLY ASKED THE COUNCIL TO TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION TO ENSURE THE CONTRACTOR COMPLETES AND REPAIRS PROPERLY, THE REPAIRS PROPERLY, AND TO ASSIST US IN RETURNING TO A SAFE AND LIVABLE HOME WITH NEED WITH NEEDED ACCOUNTABILITY, AND WE NEED SUPPORT. I HAVE PROVIDED FOLDERS WITH THE ATTACHMENTS OF PHOTOS OF THE DAMAGES, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REPORT, FLOORING ESTIMATES, BED REPLACEMENT, QUOTES, AND TEXT RECORDS WITH THE CONTRACTOR WHERE THEY HAD AGREED TO REPLACE AND PUT MY HOUSE UP AND FIXED. ONCE AGAIN, JUNE 6TH, WE WILL REACH THE THREE MONTH MARK WHERE MY DISABLED CHILD HAS TO BE DISPLACED AND NOT BE ABLE TO, TO LIVE IN THE HOME. WHAT WAS THE DATE OF THE DAY? WAS THAT MARCH 8TH, YOU SAID? MARCH 6TH. MARCH 6TH, OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. I, WE, AND I [00:15:01] HAVE AGAIN, UM, PROVIDED EACH ONE OF YOU AHOLD OF THIS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, CAN I PLEASE ASK, UM, STAFF TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST? I MADE SURE WE WROTE THAT DOWN. WE'LL GET THAT OVER TO STAFF. THANK YOU. IT'S REALLY UNACCEPTABLE THAT SHE'S BEEN IN THIS SITUATION FOR THREE MONTHS. DURING THE LAST, UH, STORM WE HAD, THANK YOU, UH, MARIANA TO BE FOLLOWED BY MARIA SSON, UH, TO BE FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL AGUIRE. OKAY, ANTON. GOOD TO YOU. EVENING MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS MARIANA. I'M A NATIONAL CITY RESIDENT AND A PARENT OF A NEURODIVERGENT CHILD. I'M HERE TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR INCLUSIVE KIDS NETWORK, A NEW NONPROFIT THAT YOU GUYS ALL HEARD ABOUT THAT WILL OFFER INCLUSIVE SPORTS AND SOCIAL ACTIVITIES FOR KIDS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS LIKE MINE. UM, SOMETHING THAT'S DEEPLY NEEDED IN OUR CITY. FAMILIES LIKE MINE OFTEN STRUGGLE TO FIND SAFE, SUPPORTIVE SPACES FOR OUR CHILDREN WHERE THEY CAN TRULY BELONG. INCLUSIVE KIDS NETWORK WILL HELP FILL THAT GAP AND BRING MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITIES TO OUR COMMUNITY. SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS IMPORTANT EFFORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, MARIA SSON, UH, FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL GEARY, FOLLOWED BY FRANK RIVERA. OKAY, GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL MAYOR, CITY MANAGER. I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A SERIOUS ISSUE. AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY TO ENFORCE THE PUBLIC'S RIGHTS TO PUBLIC RECORDS. WHEN I WAS LAST HERE, I READ YOU THESE OBJECTIONS WERE SIMPLE WORDS OF PLAIN MEANING WERE OBJECTED TO AS NOT UNDERSTANDABLE, SO THAT DOCUMENTS WOULDN'T BE PRODUCED THAT CAUSES THIS CITY MONEY. AND I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR BUDGET MEETING TOMORROW, AND IT'S NOT LOOKING GOOD. YOU NEED TO BE COMPLIANT. SO LET'S NOW LOOK AT DEPOSITIONS. DEPOSITIONS ARE REQUIRED BY LAW. IN CASES WHEN THEY'RE NOTICED HERE, THE CITY WITNESSES HAVE TO APPEAR. SO AT ISSUE IN THIS CASE IS WHETHER DOCUMENTS, SHOWING TEXT MESSAGES AND SO FORTH, WHETHER THERE WERE ANY IMPROPER MEETINGS WITH THE MAYOR. AND, UH, HIS ASSISTANT, JOSIE FLORES CLARK. WE NOTICED HER DEPOSITION FOR FEBRUARY 24TH. WE AGREED AND AMENDED IT TO MARCH 17TH BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE'D MEDIATE IN GOOD FAITH. WE DID A SECOND AMENDED NOTICE FOR MAY 14TH ON APRIL 29TH. WE WERE TOLD THAT THE DEPOSITIONS HAD TO BE RESCHEDULED, SO WE DID IT. WE SENT ANOTHER NOTICE. WE HEARD, UH, WE RECEIVED NOTICE. JOSIE FLORES CLARK WAS NOT AVAILABLE. WE MAY NOTICE IT AGAIN. WE SENT NEW THIRD AND FOURTH DATES OF AMENDMENT. SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO APPEAR ON MARCH 27TH. THAT WAS A DATE GIVEN BY COUNSEL THAT SHE WAS AVAILABLE. THEN WE WERE TOLD SHE NOW HAS A CONFLICT BECAUSE HER SPOUSE HAD SURGERY THAT DAY. INSTEAD OF APPEARING, SHE AND THE MAYOR WERE AT A, UH, IT'S A BRUNCH. ACTUALLY. IT WAS A BRUNCH, A BRUNCH MEETING, POSTING ON FACEBOOK. THEY WERE THERE AT THE MEETING. MAYOR, YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD HER COMPLY WITH THE LAW. SHE WORKS FOR YOU. SHE'S COSTING THIS CITY MONEY, AND YOU ALL NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. THESE ARE NOT PROPER TACTICS. NO, THANK YOU MICHAEL AGUIRE TO BE FOLLOWED BY FRANK RIVERA TO BE FOLLOWED BY WHY IN THE WORLD, MIKA POLANCO. WHY IN THE WORLD ARE WE DOWN HERE TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT THAT'S DEAD? AND THE REASON IS THIS, THERE IS A GROUND LEASE THAT THE BRIOS HAVE ENTERED INTO THAT HAS VERY ONES PAYMENT REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL REQUIRE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DENIED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A SUBSTITUTE, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY ECONOMIC SENSE. THEY DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO THAT'S, WE HAVE OUR EYE ON THE BALL. THAT GROUND LEASE HAS NOT BEEN SET ASIDE. THAT GROUND LEASE IS VERY MUCH STILL IN PLACE. SO WE CAN'T JUST TURN AWAY AND WALK AWAY BECAUSE THE FIRST, UH, WAVE, UH, WAS, UH, NOT SUCCESSFUL. NOW LOOK, WE TRY TO PERSUADE, YOU KNOW, WE LEARN FROM ARISTOTLE. WE ARE THE TOOLS OF PERSUASION. WHEN PERSUASION DOESN'T WORK IN CALIFORNIA, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO RECALL AND WE'LL BE EXERCISING THAT RIGHT VERY SHORTLY. AND THE WAY THAT, THE REASON WE'RE EXERCISING THAT RIGHT, IS BECAUSE WE HAVE SOMEONE ON THE BOARD WHO'S AIDING AND ABETTING THE MAYOR. AND WE LOVE THE MAYOR. BUT YOU KNOW, HIS MISCONDUCT HERE. AIDEN ABETTING THE MAYOR. AND, AND OF COURSE IT'S COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH. AND WE ARE GOING TO BE, UH, INITIATING A RECALL. AND THAT'S, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, WE DON'T FEEL THAT WE CAN WORK WITH HIM. UH, WE DON'T FEEL THAT HE'S HONEST [00:20:01] ABOUT HIS DISCUSSIONS WITH US. THAT'S NOT A HEAVY HANDED TACTIC. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY COULD SAY THAT. WE HAVE FAILED TO MAKE AN HONEST EFFORT WITH HIM. UH, BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO GET AROUND THAT. SO YOU'LL BE HEARING ABOUT MORE OF THAT LATER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, NOW WE GO WITH FRANK RIVERA. WE FOLLOWED BY MIKA POLANCO TO BE FOLLOWED BY LUISA POLANCO, UM, LUISA MCCARTHY, I'M SORRY, WE AS THE PUBLIC WANT TO KNOW ON MAY 30TH, REQUESTED ELECTRONIC RECORDS, EMAILS, TEXTS, OUTLOOK CALENDARS RELATING TO THE SWEET WATER AND ORANGE GASOLINE STATION PROJECT, REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION. NUMBER ONE, PRODUCE ALL ELECTRONICALLY STORED INFORMATION AND WRITINGS IN THE FORMS OF EMAILS, TEXT MESSAGES, OUTLOOK, CALENDAR ENTRIES. TWO FROM OR FOR DAVID WELCH RELATING TO THE SWEETWATER ROAD AND ORANGE STREET PROJECT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO HIS OFFICIAL NATIONAL CITY PHONE AND EMAIL REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION NUMBERS TWO THROUGH SEVEN. REQUEST THE SAME INFORMATION FROM REQUEST NUMBER TWO FROM MARTIN READERS EMAIL AND PHONE REQUEST NUMBER THREE FROM BEN MARTINEZ'S. EMAIL AND PHONE REQUEST NUMBER FOUR FROM JOSIE FLORES CLARK FOR HER REQUEST. FOUR PHONE NUMBERS WERE INCLUDED BECAUSE SHE USES FOUR PHONES. AND IN ADDITION TO HER OFFICIAL NATIONAL CITY EMAIL, THE REQUEST INCLUDED HER GMAIL EMAILS ABOUT THE PROJECT REQUEST NUMBER FIVE FROM MAYOR RON MORRISON FOR HIS REQUEST. THREE NUMBERS WERE INCLUDED BECAUSE HE USES THREE PHONES FOR HIM. IN ADDITION TO HIS OFFICIAL NATIONAL CITY EMAIL, THE INFORMATION WAS REQUESTED FROM HIS HOTMAIL ACCOUNT. TWO, REQUEST NUMBER SIX, FROM CARL SEGE EMAIL AND PHONES, HE USES TWO PHONE NUMBERS. REQUEST NUMBER SEVEN FROM LAUREN WILLIAMS, EMAIL AND PHONE. THANK YOU. OKAY, MIKA BLANCO TO BE FOLLOWED BY LOUISA MCCARTHY TO BE FOLLOWED BY SANDY. UH, TYLER. OKAY. OKAY. YEP. PLEASE GIVE IT TO THE CITY CLERK. GOOD AFTERNOON. I WANNA THANK, UH, DITAS AND JOSE AND LUZ FOR ATTENDING THE MEMORIAL DAY CELEBRATION. THAT WAS GREAT TO SEE THE FAMILIES, UM, BE AWAY FROM THE DAY-TO-DAY, UM, WORKING CONDITIONS AND JUST PETTING THE, THE ANIMALS. ANYWAYS, UM, I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE, UM, AS USUAL, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE PRAS THAT WE'VE BEEN, UH, REQUESTING SINCE DECEMBER 4TH. THERE'S OVER TWO DOZEN PRAS THAT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED. AND AFTER DOING SOME OF THESE, UH, DEPOSITIONS, WE HAVE LEARNED THAT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF RECORDS MISSING. UM, AS A CITY COUNCIL, YOUR PRIMARY ROLE IS TO REPRESENT THE RESIDENT'S INTEREST, TO BE TRANSPARENT AND TO DO THINGS HONESTLY. AND BY HIDING BEHIND ATTORNEYS, BY HIDING AND KEEPING THE RECORDS THAT ARE THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT, IT'S NOT VERY BECOMING OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES. AND I'M MERGING YOU TO PLEASE, UH, TURN OVER THE RECORDS. NOW, UM, REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION FOR, UH, THE RECORDS THAT WE'RE SEEKING IS ALL THE DOCUMENTS SHOWING THE, UH, PRODUCTION OF THE RESPONSE TO MYSELF. UH, THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST ON THE GROUNDS OF ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGES, PARTICULARLY THE ONE THAT, UH, MARTIN READER SENT TO BARRY SCHULTZ ON, UH, THE UNEX EXPIRATED COPY SHOWING THE DATE OF THE EMAIL FROM MARTIN REEDER TO BARRY SCHULTZ FORWARDING THE DECEMBER 10TH, 2024 FROM JOSEPH RICO TO MARTIN REEDER. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE, UM, UNRATED VERSION OF THAT. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE RECORDS THAT WE'RE MISSING THAT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE IF, UM, YOU CAN PLEASE FORWARD THAT TO US. ALSO, ON THAT ENVELOPE I JUST GAVE YOU IS A LETTER THAT I HAVE NOT RECEIVED YOUR REPLY TO, THAT I'VE SENT YOU EMAILS TO. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE, UH, AN EMAIL BACK. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, LOUISA MCCARTHY, FOLLOWED BY SANDY S SHYER TO BE FOLLOWED BY PATTY TARONE. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. I ALSO WANNA PIGGYBACK ON MIKA AND WHOEVER IS HERE, LIKE THE LIONS CLUB AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT ATTENDED OUR MEMORIAL DAY. IT WAS FANTASTIC. IT WAS BEAUTIFUL ON TO BUSINESS. MAYOR, THE CIRCLE OF CULPABILITY IS SPOT ZONING IN ON YOU AND YOUR ASSISTANT AS WE LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR THIS DISALLOWED PROJECT. INTERESTING THAT SOMEONE FROM NATIONAL CITY IS INQUIRING TO ASK AS TO HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT JOSIE FLORES CLARK SLAPPING ANOTHER CITY EMPLOYEE IN THE BOTS. [00:25:01] HMM. WHY DON'T THEY ASK TO SEE MY EVIDENCE OF HER ASKING LA VISTA MEMORIAL PARK TO BE PART OF A SCHEME TO GIVE HER $7,000 FROM THE MONEY GIVEN BY HER NEPHEW'S EMPLOYER, WHICH IS A CITY CONTRACTOR HERE TO PAY FOR THE FUNERAL ARRANGEMENT EXPENSES. I HAVE ALL THE CONTRACTS, COPIES OF TWO DEATH CERTIFICATES. ONE SAYING SHE'S THE MOTHER AND THE OTHER ONE AMENDED TO CORRECT THAT SHE'S THE AUNT. OUR STAFF ARE ALSO WITNESSES TO THIS WRONGDOING. THAT'S OKAY. I HAVE SOMEONE INTERESTED IN LOOKING INTO THIS AND SEEING ALL THE EVIDENCE. MAYOR, YOU BEING HER IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR SHOULD BE THE VERY FIRST ONE TO HAVE ASKED ME FOR THE EVIDENCE. BUT YET YOU SAY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, BUT YOU WEREN'T PRESENT. YOU DID SAY YOU WERE PRESENT WHILE SHE RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM OUR ATTORNEY TELLING HER NO, NO, NO. JOSIE, WE ARE, WE CAN GIVE YOU THE $7,000 I SUGGEST YOU FIND COUNSEL. THANK YOU. . WELL, BOTH DIRECTIONS. UH, SANDY SILLER, PATTY TERRONE NAME ALEXANDER. HUH? IT RIGHT. SCHELLER SCHELLER. I'M SORRY. OKAY, WE'RE GONNA SAY THREE TIMES. OKAY, THEN DON'T START MY CLOCK. SCHELLER. OKAY, GO AHEAD, SCHELLER. OKAY. YOU'RE WHAT? YOU'RE GOING SENATOR, YOUR TIME. OKAY. FOLLOWED BY ALEXANDER, UH, GUT ONE DAY I'M GONNA COME HERE. YOU'RE GONNA GET IT RIGHT THEN. I'LL GIVE YOU A DEGREE. UM, ON MAY 30TH, 2025 PUBLIC RECORDS WERE REQUESTED. WHAT SPECIAL TREATMENT WAS GIVEN TO SWEETWATER AND ORANGE GASOLINE STATION PROJECT APPLICANTS REQUEST NUMBER 26, ALL DOCUMENTS AND COMMUNICATION DISCUSSING WHETHER AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT UNDER CQA WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE PROJECT OF THE PERIOD JANUARY 1ST, 2024 THROUGH UP TO DATE REQUEST NUMBER 27, ALL DOCUMENTS SHOWING ANYTHING OF VALUE GIVEN FOR THE BENEFIT OF JOSIE FLORES CLARK OR RON MORRISON FROM SWEETWATER AND ORANGE PROJECT PROPONENTS, WHICH WOULD'VE COME FROM EDDIE BRICKLE, JOSEPH BRICKLE, JIMMY BRICKLE, AND ROBERT SKAR, INCLUDING DISCOUNTS ON GAS, ALCOHOL, AND ANY ITEM. GOOD TO SEE YOU, BARRY, THAT APPEAL. RIGHT. OKAY. UH, PATTY TERAN, FOLLOWED BY ALEXANDER GUT ROOT, FOLLOWED BY MARISSA. UH, CUEVAS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, WELL, WE HAVE MANY REQUESTS, RIGHT? AND I GOT THE HONOR TO READ REQUEST NUMBER 30, NO, SORRY, 23. SO WE, ON THE REQUEST 23, WE ARE REQUESTING THE FOLDER CONTAINING THE WRITINGS THE MAYOR IDENTIFIED AT HIS DEPOSITION ON MAY 28TH, 2025. SO THAT, UH, THAT IS LAST WEEK, UH, ON WEDNESDAY, HE COLLECTED IN RESPONSE TO ANY MICKAYLA POLANCO PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST ON MAY 30TH, REQUESTED INFORMATION ABOUT MEETINGS WITH SWEETWATER AND ORANGE CASTLE LANE STATION PROJECT APPLICANT, THE REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION ON NUMBER 22 FOR 2023 THROUGH JANUARY 20, 24. ANY OUTLOOK CALENDAR ENTRIES FOR ANY MEETING WITH ANY PROJECT APPLICANTS AND MAYOR. AND THEIR REQUEST NUMBER 24, ALL CALENDAR ENTRANCE OF GOOGLE MEETS RELATING TO THE PROJECT FOR THE PERIOD, FOR THE PERIOD JANUARY 1ST, 2024 TO DATE. UM, I KNOW THAT YOU'LL LOVE TO SEE US HERE, AND WE LOVE TO SEE YOU TOO, AND I REALLY HOPE THAT WE PRETTY SOON CAN GET THIS TO GET IT FINISHED. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME FOR THE CHAIR. HER NAME, PLEASE. OKAY. MY NAME, THAT WAS PATTY TERRON. PEGGY PERRAN. THANK YOU. BE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. ALEXANDER GUT, FOLLOWED BY MAR UH, MARISSA CUEVAS, FOLLOWED BY CORINA FLORES. GOOD EVENING. THERE'S STILL MANY PUBLIC RECORDS THAT ARE MISSING ON MAY 30TH. PUBLIC RECORDS WERE REQUESTED FOR KEY EMAILS BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND HIS ASSISTANT. THIS INCLUDED EMAILS AND RESPONSES THAT WERE DATED ON AND AROUND MAY 29TH AND MAY 30TH, 2024. IT'S RELATED TO THE INCOMPLETE LETTER SENT FROM THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT TO THE MAYOR. THESE INCLUDE ANY EMAIL AND RESPONSES RELATED TO THE AUGUST 15TH, 2025 RESPONSE LETTER [00:30:01] AND UPDATED DRAWINGS THAT WERE SENT FROM THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT TO THE MAYOR. THESE INCLUDE ANY EMAILS AND RESPONSES RELATED TO THE OCTOBER 29TH, 2024, OR THE NOVEMBER 7TH, 2024 EMAILS BETWEEN THE BRIOS AND THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANCE FOR VARIANCES. THESE INCLUDE ANY EMAILS AND RESPONSES RELATED TO THE OCTOBER 24TH, 2024 EMAILS FROM THE BRIOS TO THE MAYOR'S ASSISTANT FOR A PROJECT PLAN UPDATE. WILL THE CITY PRODUCE THESE RECORDS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRODUCED WAY BACK IN DECEMBER? THANK YOU. YEP. UH, MARISSA CUEVAS, FOLLOWED BY CORINA FLORES, FOLLOWED BY, UH, EDWARDO NATIONAL CITY. CONSTITUENTS DESERVE HONEST AND TRANSPARENT LEADERSHIP. AND THAT STARTS BY DELIVERING THESE DOCUMENTS THAT THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS BEFORE ME HAVE STATED TO YOU. AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION. UM, I BELIEVE IN FRONT OF YOU. UM, IF NOT, UM, WE COULD GET YOU A COPY. BUT HONEST AND TRANSPARENCY IS WHAT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS AND HAS CONTINUED TO TELL YOU OVER AND OVER. AND INSTEAD OF DOING THAT FOR THIS COMMUNITY THAT YOU KNOW, REALLY WANTS TO TRUST ITS GOV LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UM, INSTEAD YOU GUYS ARE GASLIGHTING THEM ESSENTIALLY AND TELLING THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SCOURED ALL THESE DOCUMENTS, YOU'VE TURNED EVERYTHING IN. UM, LET ME READ TO YOU JUST A COUPLE OF REQUESTS FOR PRODUCTIONS ON MAY 30TH. REQUESTED DOCUMENTS COLLECTED IN RESPONSE TO PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST ABOUT SWEETWATER AND ORANGE GASOLINE STATION PROJECT, REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION NUMBER 13, PLEASE PROVIDE ALL EMAILS, TEXT MESSAGES, OR OUTLOOK CALENDAR ENTRIES THAT DAVID WELCH COLLECTED IN RESPONSE TO ANY PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. AS DAVID WELCH TESTIFIED IN HIS DEPOSITION ON MAY 13TH, 2025, REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION. NUMBER 14, PLEASE PROVIDE ALL EMAIL, TEXT MESSAGES AND OUTLOOK CALENDAR ENTRIES THAT MARTIN REEDER COLLECTED IN RESPONSE TO ANY PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. AS MARTIN REEDER TESTIFIED IN HIS DEPOSITION ON MAY 13TH, 2025. THE SAME FOR BEN MARTINEZ OR HIS ASSISTANT ESTHER CLEMENTINE COLLECTED IN RESPONSE TO ANY PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, AS HE TESTIFIED IN HIS DEPOSITION, MAY 14TH, 2025 FOR REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION. NUMBER 16, THE SAME FOR MAYOR MORRISON COLLECTED, BUT FROM HIS PERSONAL PHONE, AGAIN, HE'S ISSUED A GOVERNMENT PHONE AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE'S USING HIS PERSONAL, UM, PHONE TO CONDUCT OFFICIAL BUSINESS ON IT. REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION NUMBER FOUR FOR MAYOR MORRISON'S PERSONAL EMAIL AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, CORINA FLORES. GOOD EVENING. NOW I START WITH THE QUESTION TODAY, WHY ARE PUBLIC RECORDS DELAYED? PUBLIC RECORDS? PUBLIC RECORDS ARE NOT A PRIVILEGE. THEY ARE A RIGHT. THEY ALLOW US TO UNDERSTAND DECISIONS THAT IMPACT OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR BUSINESSES, AND OUR FAMILIES. THEY HELP ENSURE THAT OUR, THAT OUR GOVERNMENT ACTIONS REMAIN HONEST, HONEST, ETHICAL, AND ACCOUNTABLE. WITHOUT TRANSPARENCY, TRUST, CRUMBLES WITHOUT TRUST, LEADERSHIP LOSES ITS CREDIBILITY. THIS IS NOT ABOUT POLITICS. THIS IS ABOUT PRINCIPLE. WHETHER IT'S BUDGET ALLOCATION, CITY CONTRACTS, OR POLICY DISCUSSIONS, THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW. AFTER ALL, A GOVERNMENT THAT OPERATES IN THE SHADOWS IS NOT GOVERNMENT AT ALL. IT IS MERELY A CLOSED DOOR CLUB SERVE, SERVING ITSELF RATHER THAN OTHER PEOPLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, EDRO, BEFORE YOU COME UP, MAY WE JUST SAY THAT, UH, AS WAS MENTIONED, THAT WAS, THE DATE THEY GAVE WAS MAY 30TH. THAT WAS FRIDAY. THIS WAS SUBMITTED. SO WE WERE, WE'RE CLOSED ON FRIDAYS, SO THAT MEANS WE JUST RECEIVED IT YESTERDAY. I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THAT ONE. ALTHOUGH I DID RECEIVE TODAY. I DID RECEIVE, UH, PRA REQUEST NUMBER 400, 403 AND 404. AND, UH, SO WE ARE SPENDING A HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME ON THIS CONSTANT STREAM OF PS BELIEVE ME. SO WITH THAT, UH, EVERYO, UH, YEAH. I SAY I ONLY GOT TWO MINUTES HERE. SO, UM, YOU, I JUST CAME UP HERE TO TELL YOU AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, , YOU KNOW, WE HAD A, A, A RODRIGUEZ, UH, CHICKEN ORDINANCE DISCUSSION [00:35:02] THAT LASTED CLOSE TO AN HOUR OF TIME, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF PRIORITY AND, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND NOT THAT SAY CHICKENS AREN'T IMPORTANT TO RODRIGUEZ, BUT IN TERMS OF PRIORITY AND THE DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN $8 MILLION BUDGET DEFICIT. AND SOMEHOW THIS OTHER ISSUE HERE IS LIKE TAKING OVER THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT THE REST OF US ARE FEELING HERE. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TAKING AWAY FROM WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WIDER, WIDER SENSE OF IMPORTANCE AMONGST ALL THE OTHER CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THIS, IN NASHVILLE CITY. AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GETTING OUR ATTENTION, UH, AND, AND, AND SATISFYING OUR, UM, OUR CONCERNS FOR WHETHER THIS CITY GOVERNMENT'S GONNA CONTINUE OR NOT IN TWO YEARS IF YOU DON'T START ADDRESSING THE BUDGET PROBLEMS. I AGREE. OH MY GOD. OH, OKAY. CAN'T SPEAK. THANK YOU. ALTHOUGH, I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST TIME ED IS ONLY USED UP A MINUTE OF HIS TIME. BUT ANYWAY, . UM, NEXT WE HAVE, UH, CYNTHIA, UH, KEONE TO BE FOLLOWED BY LAST NAME IS, UH, CARILLO. I AM NOT GONNA TRY TO PRONOUNCE THAT FIRST NAME. I, I KNOW I'LL BUTCHER IT. BE, BE FOLLOWED BY RACHEL BYWATER. GOOD EVENING MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL STAFF AND ALL HERE TONIGHT. MANY OF YOU KNOW ME, CYNTHIA FULLER CANONES, A LOCAL RESIDENT, REGULAR HEALTH ADVOCATE, AND MEMBER OF THE HEALTHY RES COALITION. WE START ALL CITY MEETING CITY MEETINGS, PLEDGING ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, ENDING WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ESPECIALLY AFTER BEING AT LAST NIGHT'S PLANNING MEETING AND REVIEWING THE LATEST DOCUMENTATION ON THE USDG FUELS PROJECT. I HAVE TO QUESTION THE CITY'S PLEDGE TO JUSTICE FOR ALL. THE USDG FUELS PROJECT CERTAINLY CAN NEVER AFFORD JUSTICE FOR ALL HERE, GIVEN ITS CONTRIBUTION TO MORE POLLUTION AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS, AND AN AREA ALREADY SUFFERING TOO MUCH. FROM THESE, THE CITY'S INVESTMENT OF CONSIDERABLE RESOURCES TO RECOMMEND THIS PROJECT MEANS DENIAL OF SERVICE TO OTHER PROJECTS ACTUALLY DESIRED BY RESIDENTS AND OFFERING IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR ENVIRONMENT. THIS CERTAINLY IS NOT JUSTICE FOR ALL EITHER. I KNOW THE PROJECT IS NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, BUT BEFORE ANY TIME IT MIGHT APPEAR BEFORE YOU IN FUTURE, I ASK THAT YOU ALL ON THE COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF REFLECT ON THE PLEDGE WE REGULARLY MAKE AND LET THIS BETTER GUIDE CITY COMMITMENT OF RESOURCES. WE DEFINITELY NEED TO PRIORITIZE THE DEDICATION OF RESOURCES TO PROJECTS OFFERING AT LEAST SOME, UH, PROMISE OF JUSTICE FOR ALL OVER PROJECTS LIKE USDG FUELS THAT CAN NO WAY EVER AFFORD THIS. OUR CITY HAS MADE ADMIRABLE PROGRESS IN PLEDGING ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH IMPROVEMENTS, BUT WE ARE MUCH TOO FAR FROM ACTUALLY ACHIEVING THESE IMPROVEMENTS. SO ESSENTIAL TO SECURING JUSTICE FOR ALL. PLEASE RECONSIDER, UH, THE, ANY FURTHER ACTION ON USDG FUELS. THANK YOU. YOU, UH, NEXT WE HAD, LAST NAME WAS CARILLO, C-A-Y-E-T-Z-Y IS FIRST NAME. AND OKAY. UH, NEXT IS RACHEL BYWATER. HI. ALL RIGHT. HI. UM, SO I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE. UM, SO, UM, MY NAME IS RACHEL. UM, I'M HERE FOR, UM, A PERSONAL MATTER THAT, UM, AFFECTS THE CITY AND, UM, EXPANDS PAST THAT. UM, I'M FEELING LIKE, UM, MY HUMAN RIGHTS HAVE BEEN STEPPED ON, SO I'M HERE BECAUSE, UM, I'M FEELING LIKE THAT WRONG NEEDS TO BE RIGHT. UM, SO, UM, I AM ALMOST AT A LOSS OF WORDS BECAUSE, UM, THERE'S SO MUCH TO SAY. UM, I HAVE LIKE A MASS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE LIKE ILLEGALLY OBTAINING INFORMATION ON ME. AND I'M VERY BIG ON CONSENT. AND IT'S TECHNICALLY, UM, ILLEGAL FOR THE INFORMATION THAT WAS SHARED TO, UM, HAVE BEEN RELEASED WITHOUT CONSENT. UM, I WAS ALSO WRONGFULLY ARRESTED. UM, I RECENTLY MOVED INTO THE CITY. UM, AND SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN THE CITY, I'VE HAD PEOPLE, A MASS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE EAVESDROPPING ON THE PHONE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD. UM, UM, THERE'S SO MUCH MORE THAT GOES INTO THIS. I WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY CHECKING IN ON ME. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS [00:40:01] FURTHER WITH SOMEONE, WHOEVER'S THE RIGHT PERSON. UM, 'CAUSE NOT ONLY DO I NEED THE PROBATION RELEASE, I NEED THE CORRECTION WITH, UM, UH, THE WHOLE SITUATION BEING SHUT DOWN. 'CAUSE THAT'S A MASS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AND I'M ONE PERSON. UM, I'M ALSO A COLLEGE STUDENT AND I FEEL LIKE I, I'M LIKE A LITTLE YOUNG TO HAVE EVERYTHING SABOTAGED AWAY FROM ME. SO, UM, IF, UH, SOMEONE COULD REACH OUT, THAT PHONE NUMBER THAT I HAD, MY PERSONAL CELL PHONE, UM, HAD BEEN DISCONNECTED THE LAST, IN THE LAST DAY OR TWO. SO, UM, BUT MY HOUSE NUMBER IS ON THAT PAPERWORK. AND, UM, IF SOMEONE COULD ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO ME AND HAVE SOME OF THESE, THESE ISSUES FIXED, UM, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. ALRIGHT. UH, YOU HAVE A PHONE NUMBER ON HERE, BUT, UH, ARE, DO YOU LIVE IN SAN DIEGO OR NATIONAL CITY? I LIVE DOWN THE STREET. HUH? DOWN THE STREET. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU HAVE BOTH SAN DIEGO ON THERE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UM, THIS IS KIND OF AN URGENT MATTER. MM-HMM . IS, AM I GONNA, IS SOMEONE GONNA REACH OUT TO ME? WELL, WE CAN HAVE POSSIBLY THE POLICE CHIEF OR SOMEONE THAT CAN TALK WITH, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU. SHOULD I WAIT AROUND? I KNOW WHAT THE NEEDS ARE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, WE'RE UP TO THE HALF HOUR MARK. THE REST WILL GO TO THE END OF THE, UH, TO THE REST OF THE MEETING. OKAY. END OF THE MEETING. UM, [6.1 EDCO Presentation] NEXT WE GO ON INTO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS A PRESENTATION. AND THIS IS FROM EDCO. AND SO WHO'S GONNA MAKE THERE HE IS AS TALL AS YOU ARE. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WERE HIDING BACK THERE. I DIDN'T SEE YOU IF IT STAYS. OH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. UM, THANK, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT TONIGHT AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE. MY NAME IS CARL SHEBA. I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER OF FAMILY OWNED AND OPERATED EDCO WASTE AND RECYCLING. AND, UM, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE ON THE NEXT SLIDE HERE. UM, WE WANTED TO UPDATE YOU ON THE RECENT RATE INCREASE, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN 2003 AS PART PART OF THE FIVE YEAR TWO 18. THAT WAS, UH, SENT OUT. UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, STANDARD RESIDENTIAL RATE INCREASE ABOUT A DOLLAR 13 OR 5.3%. UM, AND THESE RATES, UM, WOULD GO INTO EFFECT JULY 1ST, 2025. UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, EDCO ALSO OFFERS A SENIOR RATE WITH A 20% DISCOUNT AND ALSO SILVER BAGS, UM, FOR THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE LOW GENERATORS THAT DON'T GENERATE A LOT OF TRASH. UM, AND THEY CAN ALSO GET FREE RECYCLING, BUT THOSE SILVER BAGS CAN BE PURCHASED AT THE PAY STATION OR THE CHAMBER OFFICE. SO, ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE SERVICE OFFERINGS THAT, UH, EDCO HAS AND HAS PARTNERED WITH, UH, COUNCIL AND STAFF AND PUBLIC WORKS TO PROVIDE THE RESIDENTS. BUT WE DO FOR FREE BULKY ITEM COLLECTIONS, UM, PER YEAR. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, WE ALSO SEND OUT, UH, FREE DISPOSAL COUPONS TO THE RESIDENTS SO THEY CAN COME TO OUR, UM, UH, TRANSFER STATION THERE IN GIA AND DROP OFF ANY UNWIND ITEMS, UM, ANYTIME DURING THE YEAR. SO ONE GOES OUT JANUARY AND ONE IN JUNE. AND THEN, UM, WE DO TWO, UM, SHREDDING EVENTS THAT INCLUDE E-WASTE. AND THEN WE ALSO OFFER MULCH THAT COMES FROM OUR ANAEROBIC DIGESTER. THAT'S FROM THE GREEN WASTE AND ORGANICS GENERATED FROM THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY. SO, UH, I WANTED TO BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD CLEANUPS, UM, IN EACH OF THE DISTRICTS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNCIL. UM, AND A LOT OF COORDINATION WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND STAFF, UM, TO MAKE THESE HAPPEN. BUT, UH, SOME IMPRESSIVE NUMBERS TO SHARE. UH, 448.26 TONS OF UNWIND ITEMS WERE REMOVED, UM, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WE HAD A, A REAL FOCUS ON DIVERSION, UM, AND TRAIN TO RECYCLE REUSE THESE. UM, AND WE HAD AN IMPRESSIVE 57% DIVERSION, SO 255 TONS OF THAT WAS DIVERTED FROM THE LANDFILL AND WAS RECYCLED. UM, AND THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT WE DO. UM, ADDITIONALLY, AS YOU SEE A PICTURE OF THE PUBLIC CONTAINERS THAT YOU SEE, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UM, WE RECENTLY REFURBISHED QUITE A FEW OF THOSE. AND ADDITION, WE DELIVERED ADDITIONAL 25. SO IN TOTAL, EDCO HAS DELIVERED AND, AND TAKEN OVER THE SERVICE ON 75 TOTAL, UM, PUBLIC CANS. AND WE WORK WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE, ARE, ARE IN THE RIGHT AREA TO IMPROVE [00:45:01] THE ENVIRONMENT. ALRIGHT, AND ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE. UM, AND WORKING WITH STAFF, WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO UPDATE YOU ON SB 1383. UM, THIS IS A, A LAW THAT PASSED IN 2016, WENT INTO EFFECT IN 2022. AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN UP HERE BEFORE DESCRIBING IT. UM, BUT IT BASICALLY TO REMOVE ORGANICS FROM THE LANDFILL, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE BEING RECYCLED AND THEY'RE CAPTURING THAT METHANE. UM, AND I, I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT, UH, NATIONAL CITY WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES TO BE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE IN TERMS OF THREE STREAM, UM, RECYCLING. SO, UM, ONE OF THE BEST, UH, RECORDS IN THE REGION. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE. UM, ALSO TALKING TO STAFF, WE, UM, WE REALLY FELT THAT, UH, WITH ANY PROGRAM, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE SUCCESS IN YOUR PROGRAMS, YOU HAVE A LOT OF EDUCATION, YOU HAVE A LOT OF OUTREACH, YOU HAVE A LOT OF INTERACTION, UM, WITH RESIDENTS WITH MULTIFAMILY COMPLEXES AND BUSINESSES. AND MOST RECENTLY, UH, WE DEVELOPED A BILINGUAL, UM, PROGRAM, UH, TO INCLUDE SOME OF THE MAILERS THAT YOU SEE HERE, AS WELL AS, UH, POSTCARDS WITH QR CODES WHERE, UM, RESIDENTS CAN SCAN THAT AND WATCH A VIDEO, UM, ABOUT ORGANICS RECYCLING AND RECYCLING IN GENERAL. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WENT OUT AND IS IN RIGHT IN PROCESS OF BEING COMPLETED, UM, BY AUGUST OF 2025. SO, WITH THAT, UM, AS ALWAYS, UM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO BETTER, UM, FOR, UM, THE RESIDENTS OR BUSINESSES COMMUNITY OF NATIONAL CITY, WE'RE HERE 7 24. AND THEN, UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I'LL OPEN UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. HI, CARL. HI. GOOD TO SEE YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU TOO. THANK YOU FOR COMING BEFORE US AND PRESENTING THIS INFORMATION. UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE DIVERSION. YES. UH, IT'S IMPRESSIVE. 57% YES. DIVERSION RATE. AND MY QUESTION WAS, IS THAT DUE TO CONSUMERS PUTTING, UH, RECYCLABLES IN THE BLUE BINS OR IS THIS HAPPENING AT THE EDCO FACILITY? I'VE SEEN YOUR RECYCLING FACILITY AT ECHO. IT'S IMPRESSIVE. YEAH. MM-HMM . SO I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE IS ABSOLUTELY ALL OF THAT WORK HAPPENING? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND, UM, I'LL TELL YOU WHERE WE STRUGGLE. WE DO REALLY GOOD RESIDENTIALLY AND COMMERCIALLY, AND THAT CONTINUES TO IMPROVE. BUT WHERE WE STRUGGLE IS ON THESE CLEANUPS, AND I'VE GOT SOME SMILES 'CAUSE A LOT OF US HAVE BEEN AT THESE CLEANUPS AND IT'S A, A, A MASS OF RESIDENTS COMING AND WE HAVE A LOT OF EDCO EMPLOYEES THAT HELP THEM LOAD IT. AND MANY TIMES IT COULD BE, DEPENDING ON WHAT, UH, DISTRICT IT'S IN, UM, IT COULD BE DIFFICULT TO HAVE MULTIPLE BINS AND SEPARATE 'EM. BUT WE WORK WITH STAFF, UM, TO DO THAT. AND WE JUST KEEP INCREASING DIVERSION AND THOSE CLEANUPS, AND WE WERE MISSING OUT ON THAT. A LOT OF IT WAS BEING COMMINGLED. MM-HMM . WE'D TAKE IT BACK TO OUR FACILITY AND WE WOULD GET A LARGE INFLUX OF LOADS AND IT WAS HARD FOR US TO SORT IT, SO WE DO IT ON SITE. OKAY. THANK YOU. GREAT QUESTION THOUGH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. ANYONE ELSE? GOOD. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. BYE. ALRIGHT, [7. REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS (Limited to Five (5) Minutes each)] UH, WITH THAT WE GET INTO, UH, REGIONAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS AND ANY, UH, UH, 1234 REPORTS. UH, I'LL START DOWN HERE WITH, UH, MEMBER RODRIGUEZ. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UH, WE HAVE A SHORELINE PRESENT PRESERVATION GROUP MEETING WITH SANDAG. UH, THIS THURSDAY WE'LL BE DISCUSSING, UH, THE CONTINUED PLANS TO, UM, HAVE NEW SAND, UH, REPLENISH THE, UH, VACANCIES AND SAND THROUGHOUT THE REGION, INCLUDING OCEANSIDE, IMPERIAL BEACH, SAN DIEGO, A HANDFUL OF CITIES. THANK YOU. RIGHT. REMEMBER YOUR MONEY. UM, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. UM, SWEETWATER AUTHORITY, UM, WE HAD A, UH, A CONSIDERATION TO PROVIDE DIRECTION REGARDING FUTURE MEMBERSHIP IN THE WATER CONSERVATION GARDEN. THIS IS, UH, KIND OF A, UH, A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE, UM, IF WE'RE CONTINUING TO PARTICIPATE AS A MEMBER OF THE JPA FOR THE WATER CONSERVATION GARDEN, UH, THAT IS IN THE KUYA MAKA COLLEGE AREA. UM, WE ALSO HAVE PRESENTED, UH, THE DRAFT, UH, FISCAL YEAR 25, 26 BUDGET. UH, THAT INCLUDES THE POLICY 5 1 7 0. AND, UM, SO WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND HOPEFULLY WE, WE GET THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, FINALIZED BY THE END OF THE MONTH. UM, BY THE END OF JUNE. WE ALSO HAVE GOOD NEWS FOR, UH, SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY. UM, WE HAVE THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA WATER AGENCIES AND LENGTHY LEGAL DISPUTE. THIS WAS A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THAT WILL, UH, BRING REGION GREATER FISCAL STABILITY, WATER SUPPLY EFFICIENCY AND RELIABILITY. UH, THE AGREEMENT ALSO [00:50:01] OPENS A PATHWAY FOR SAN DIEGO TO PROVIDE WATER TO OTHER WATER AGENCIES IN THE METROPOLITAN SERVICE AREA. I ATTENDED THE, UH, THE, UM, MEDIA RELEASE, UM, OR THE MEDIA, UM, UH, RELEASE YESTERDAY, UM, AT THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY WATER AUTHORITY, UM, UM, OFFICES. UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, SAN DIEGO COUNTY COMMUNITY POWER. WE HAVE PRESENTED OUR FISCAL YEAR 25, 26 BUDGET, AND HOPEFULLY WE, WE CAN ALSO MAKE THE FINAL PRESENTATION, UM, AT THE NEXT MEETING. UM, THAT'S ALL MY REPORT, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DO HAVE A REPORT OUT ON SANDAG. I, UH, WE HELD, UH, OUR AUDIT COMMITTEE MEETING ON MAY 22ND. WE DID RECEIVE RESULTS FROM TWO AUDITS FROM OUR INTERNAL INDEPENDENT AUDITOR. ONE WAS A, UH, FISCAL YEAR JUNE, 2024, UH, FINANCIAL AUDIT. THE RESULTS WERE, UM, UH, WERE PRESENTED AT THAT TIME. UH, THERE WAS A DELAY IN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A NEW ERP SYSTEM, WHICH CAUSED A BIT OF A DELAY ON THE RELEASE OF THIS AUDIT. BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED IT, UH, THERE ARE, UH, MATERIAL WEAKNESSES IN INTERNAL CONTROL, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS CITED BY THE OPA WERE AGREED TO BY, UM, BY STAFF, BY MANAGEMENT AT SANDAG. AND, UH, THERE WILL BE REPORTS THAT COME, UH, AS A PART OF THAT AGAIN, OR THE SECOND AUDIT THAT WE DID RECEIVE INFORMATION ON WAS A SOLE SOURCE PROCUREMENT AUDIT. THIS ALSO CITED A LOT OF LACK OF INTERNAL CONTROLS AT SANDAG. THERE IS, UM, FOR THE PERIOD DURING WHICH THIS PROCUREMENT AUDIT, UH, LOOKED AT RECORDS, THIS WAS FROM JULY 22ND THROUGH, UH, JUNE 24TH, 2024, UH, 18% OF ALL CONTRACTS WENT THROUGH SOLE SOURCE, UH, PROCUREMENT. AND THAT IS, UM, QUITE UNUSUAL. IT IS PRETTY HIGH. SO A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GOING IN PLACE AT SANDAG TO HELP, UH, REVAMP THE PROCEDURE FOR, UH, PROCUREMENT CONTRACTS. AND, UH, AGAIN, ALL OF THE RESULTS OF THE ONGOING, UM, IMPLEMENTATION OF THE, UH, FIXES, UH, ARE GOING TO BE REPORTED ON AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I ALSO MET WITH THE, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AT SANDAG ON MAY 23RD. UM, WE HAD A, A GOOD UPDATE ON THE HIRING OF AN INTERNAL CONTROLS DIRECTOR. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS BEING, UM, UH, LOOKED UPON FOR HELPING SOLVE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT, UH, WERE CITED BY THESE PAST AUDITS. UH, THE DRAFT REGIONAL PLAN HAS BEEN RELEASED. IT INCLUDES A 19% REDUCTION IN GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. UM, AND THE COST OF THIS REGIONAL PLAN IS SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THE OTHER TWO PLANS IN THE PAST. THIS ONE IS PROJECTED TO COST 126 BILLION. AND AGAIN, THE REDUCTION DOES POINT TO A BIT OF A REALITY CHECK AND PLANNING FOR WHAT CAN BE AFFORDED VERSUS WHAT CAN BE DREAMED UP. UM, AND THE LAST UPDATE IS ON OME, THE OTAI MESA EAST PORT OF ENTRY. UM, THE $150 MILLION GRANT WAS SIGNED, AND THAT OPENS THE DOOR FOR CONSTRUCTION TO FINALLY BEGIN. UM, 190 MILLION STATE GRANT MATCH ACCOMPANIES THIS. AND, UH, THIS, UH, AGAIN, THE BOARD APPROVED PROCUREMENT, UH, TO BEGIN THE TECHNOLOGY PACKAGE, WHICH IS 33, I'M SORRY, $36 MILLION. UH, THIS IS A, UH, ADVANCED TECH, ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY TECH PACKAGE, UH, WHICH IS GONNA BE STATE-OF-THE-ART. IT'LL INCLUDE, UH, THE ABILITY TO DO NON-INTRUSIVE INSPECTION OF THE LARGE TRUCKS THAT WILL BE CROSSING THE BORDER FROM MEXICO INTO THE US, UH, THROUGH THIS OTAY MESA EAST PORT OF ENTRY WHEN IT EVENTUALLY OPENS. AND THIS IS A BIG DEAL BECAUSE, UH, THIS IS GOING TO BE, AGAIN, STATE-OF-THE-ART, UH, AND HOPEFULLY, UM, PREVENT A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, STUFF FROM HAPPENING THAT SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING. SO, ALL GOOD NEWS AT SANDAG. UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. NOTHING TO REPORT. I HAVE, UH, OUR AIR POLLUTION CONTROL DISTRICT MEETING COMING UP, UH, JUNE 12TH, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THE ANNUAL BUDGET. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, A COUPLE QUICK THINGS. UH, SINCE THE LAST MEETING, I, I SERVE ON THE, UH, I TALK SELECTION COMMITTEE WHERE WE PUT PROFESSIONALS ON BASICALLY AN OVERSIGHT ON SOME OF THE SPENDING AT SANDAG. AND, UH, SO WE DID, UH, SELECT SOME, UH, INDIVIDUALS, A COUPLE OF PROFESSIONAL INDIVIDUALS TO SIT ON THAT. UM, THE, UH, OTHER THING, THIS NEXT WEEK I'LL BE REPRESENTING SANDAG AT THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REGIONAL COUNCIL'S, UM, ANNUAL MEETING, UM, [00:55:01] AS THAT IS ALL OF THE REGIONAL GOVERNMENTS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, AND THEY GET TOGETHER FOR THEIR, THEIR ANNUAL MEETING. AND, UH, SO I'LL REP BE REPRESENTING SANDAG AND I'M ALSO ON THE EXECUTIVE BOARD AND THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THAT ORGANIZATION AS BEING A PAST PRESIDENT OF THAT ONE. UH, THEN WITH ALSO THEN WITH, WE JUST HAD, UH, EDCO UP HERE. AND SO WITH THE REGIONAL SOLID WASTE ASSOCIATION, UH, WE WILL BE MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, GOING OVER A TWO YEAR BUDGET AND PUTTING OUR TWO YEAR BUDGET TOGETHER. AND, UH, SO THAT DEALS WITH BASICALLY EVERYTHING FROM TRASH DISPOSAL TO SHARPS TO, UH, THE SENATE BILL THAT WAS JUST BEING TALKED ABOUT ON OR ORGANICS, UH, EVERYTHING WE DEAL AND PRIMARILY WE DEAL WITH, UH, EDCO, THAT'S EDCO IS THE NUMBER ONE, UM, PROVIDER HERE IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY. AND SO THEY'RE THE MAIN ONES THAT WE DEAL WITH. SO WE'LL BE PUTTING OUR BUDGET TOGETHER FOR THAT. WITH THAT, PARDON ME, MAYOR, MAY I ADD ONE? I, I FAILED TO, UM, UH, MAKE NOTICE OF THE FACT THAT I DID MEET WITH THE GROUP FROM USD GROUP. UH, THIS IS THE, THE GROUP THAT IS PROPOSING A CLEAN FUELS TRANSPORT FACILITY. I MET WITH THEM YESTERDAY PRIOR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. AND, UH, AND, UH, LET ME JUST STATE REAL QUICK FOR THE RECORD ON THAT, SINCE THAT WAS, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION 'CAUSE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST NIGHT, BUT YESTERDAY WE DID RECEIVE A, A LETTER FROM THE, UH, COASTAL COMMISSION, UH, WITH A NUMBER OF CONCERNS THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE ADDRESSED. SO, IN OTHER WORDS, AND SO THAT PUBLIC HEARING WAS PUT OFF LAST NIGHT. SO WE HAD A MEETING THAT WE THOUGHT WAS GONNA BE SEVERAL HOURS LONG. IT ENDED UP BEING 30 MINUTES LONG, UH, WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND, UH, SO THAT HAS BEEN PUT OFF IN TIME AND DEFINITE SO THAT ALL THOSE THINGS CAN BE ADDRESSED WITH THE, UH, COASTAL COMMISSION. UM, WITH THAT WE GO [8. CONSENT CALENDAR] INTO CONSENT CALENDAR, UH, ITEMS EIGHT ONE THROUGH EIGHT 11. I HAVE, UM, SLIPS FROM THE PUBLIC FOR 8 4, 8 5, 8 7, AND EIGHT 11. MR. CHAIR. YES. UM, JUST WANTED TO, UH, I WON'T PULL 8.6, BUT I WANNA DIRECT OUR, UH, CITY MANAGER TO, UH, GET A REPORT ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU. TO GET A REPORT ON IT. YES. OH, A PRESENTATION. OKAY. OKAY. SO YOU WANT A PRESENTATION IN THE FUTURE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? YES. OKAY. OKAY. UM, JUST LEMME BE CLEAR THAT WE WEREN'T ASKING FOR ONE TONIGHT. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE PULLED? IF NOT, COULD WE GET A MOTION ON THE REMAINDER OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR? SO, MOVE MR. CHAIR. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND THIS IS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, NEXT [8.4 City Council Expenditure Report July 2024 through March 2025] WE GO TO EIGHT FOUR. THIS IS THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL EXPENDITURES REPORT FOR THE FIRST THREE QUARTERS OF THE FISCAL YEAR, JULY, 2024 THROUGH MARCH 25. AND WE HAVE, UH, UH, THOMAS REICH TO BE FOLLOWED BY ED EDWARD NETTO. UH, HELLO. I JUST WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE, TO THE, TO THE, UH, EXPENSE FOR DECK OF LIGHT INDUSTRIES FOR GITA YAMINI YAMINI FOR 8,002, $213 FOR YA YANET DISTRICT THREE BANNER. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT, THAT WAS A HALF PAYMENT. WHAT? THAT WAS A HALF PAYMENT. YES. THAT WAS HALF, THAT WAS ONE HALF PAYMENT. ONE HALF PAYMENT. YES. YES. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS IT? WELL, BECAUSE WE, WE PAY IT FOR THE BEGINNING, THEN YOU PAY WHEN THEY'RE DELIVERED. I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. A BANNERS THAT ONE. UH, STREET BANNERS. STREET BANNERS, YES. FOR, THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, MR. NETTO. HEY, YOU KNOW, EXCUSE ME. THIS IS A URGENT MATTER. THESE OFFICERS HAVE BEEN SUPER CORRUPT, SO I'M NEED SOMEONE TO REACH OUT TO YOU. OKAY. UM, KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS, UH, CITY COUNCIL EXPENDITURE REPORT. I, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE FORMAT, I STILL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. UH, I HAD ORIGINALLY, THE DETAILS AREN'T THERE. I MEAN, IT TALKS ABOUT THE NON PERSONNEL COST. UM, YEAH, YOU HAVE A LIST OF, OF EXPENDITURES, BUT I DON'T HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THESE EXPENDITURES PERTAIN TO IN TERMS OF PROJECTS. UM, I'VE ASKED FOR, UM, A REQUEST FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION FROM [01:00:01] ALL OF YOU ON BACK ON MARCH OF THIRD, I BELIEVE, 25 TO ASK FOR DETAILS OF THE TIME SHEETS AND WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE. YOU KNOW, AND I HAVEN'T GOT ANYTHING BACK, AND I'VE GOT SEVERAL SAYING THAT THERE'S 14 HOUR, UH, 14 DAY DELAYS. BUT, UH, AND THE LAST ONE SAID IT'S GONNA BE TWO MONTHS. THIS IS EXPENDITURES THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE ALREADY HAVE APPROVED AND DOCUMENTED AND SUPPORTED AND BEEN FILED AWAY FOR AUDIT PURPOSES. IT JUST BOGGLES MY MIND. IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, THREE MONTHS TO ASK FOR INFORMATION THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE, THAT IT'S NOT LIKE THIS OTHER REQUEST FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION WHERE YOU'RE STILL LOOKING FOR STUFF. THIS IS INFORMATION THAT SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN THERE AND PULLED FROM THE FILES. BUT I SUSPECT MAYBE NOW THAT I HEAR WHAT THEY SAID, MAYBE YOU JUST HAVE A A OVER A LOT OF, UH, REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION REQUESTS LIKE THAT. AND THIS IS JUST OVERCOMING THAT. SO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I HOPE MY VOICE AND MY CONCERNS DON'T GO AWAY. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S $400,000 THAT'S GONNA BE APPROVED AND YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN, I CAN'T EVEN GET THE INFORMATION TO EXPLAIN HOW THE LAST $800,000 WAS SPENT ON STAFF. SO I, I HOPE YOU CAN PRIORITIZE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, THAT'S THE ONLY SPEAKERS WE HAVE ON 8.40, UNLESS THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. OH, YES. NO, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, MR. NIETO, FOR COMING UP AND SPEAKING ON THE BUDGET. I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE VERBALLY TALKED ABOUT, UH, WHAT OUR, WHAT MY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE WAS DOING, AND, UH, I COULD SAY FROM COMMUNICATIONS, UH, CONSTITUENT OUTREACH, UH, ADDRESSING A LOT OF THE, UH, OPERATIONAL ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON HERE THAT DO IMPACT OUR BUDGET. SO, UM, IT'S BEEN REALLY HELPFUL. I THINK I'VE TALKED TO ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES AND IT'S BEEN REALLY HELPFUL TO US THAT HAVEN'T HAD STAFF BEFORE. I, I GET, AND I APPRECIATE THE ACCOUNTABILITY PART OF IT. SO I, I COMMIT TO CONTINUING TO BE TRANSPARENT AND LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND DOING. BUDGET IS THE BIG ONE. I KNOW WE'VE HAD MEETINGS ABOUT, UH, COST ALLOCATION, WHICH IS GONNA COME UP. SO, UH, APPRECIATE THAT. I HAVE NOT GIVEN YOU THAT, THAT, UH, THAT, THAT PHYSICAL REPORT, BUT I'LL CONTINUE TO VERBALLY REPORT FOR YOU AND, AND, UH, PROVIDE ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU NEED. SO, THANK YOU. YEAH, AND I THINK I'LL, I SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND I THINK THE REST OF COUNCIL, WE'D BE GLAD TO, UH, SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND GO THROUGH ALL THAT. I KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN KINDA SWAMPED TO A 25 HOUR A DAY PRAS HERE IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS. SO, UH, TRYING TO GET CAUGHT UP IN ALL THIS, CAUGHT UP IN ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. THE ACTUAL WORK OF BEING A PART OF A CITY IS, UH, A LITTLE DIFFICULT RIGHT AT THE MOMENT. BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN. UM, OKAY. WITH THAT, WHAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE? IT'S FILING THE REPORT, RIGHT? MOVING TO APPROVE IS THE MOTION. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE ALL THE REPORT. OH, NO. ACT, I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. DID YOU SECOND? YES. OKAY. GOOD MOTION. OKAY. THERE IT WAS. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE, UH, MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES. RIGHT. UH, NEXT WE HAVE, [8.5 Feeding San Diego Direct Service Site and Volunteer Agreement] UH, 8.5, WHICH IS FEEDING SAN DIEGO DIRECT SERVICE SITE AND VOLUNTEER, UH, AGREEMENT. AND WE HAVE A THOMAS REICH TO BE FOLLOWED BY WENDY EGAN. UH, YOU'RE GONNA VOTE ON THIS AFTER WHAT I SAY, WHICH IS ALL RIGHT. WHICHEVER YOU DO. BUT I, I HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE WITH, WITH, UH, WITH SAN DIEGO FOOD BANK. AND HERE'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT I THINK SHOULD APPLY TO FEEDING SAN DIEGO. THEY SHOULDN'T SHOW FAVORITISM, SHOULD FAVORITISM OF THE PEOPLE, THE VOLUNTEERS WHO, THE VOLUNTEERS WHO DO THIS, DO IT BECAUSE THEY GET, THEY GET FOOD, THEY GET, THEY GET FOOD FOR BEING A VOLUNTEER FOR HELPING AND HANDOUT, BUT IF THEY DON'T VOLUNTEER, THEY WON'T GET ANY FOOD. UH, THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FOOD FOR THE CONTRIBUTORS, FOR, FOR EVERYBODY. AND THAT'S, UH, THERE'S, UH, AND ALSO THESE CORPORATIONS WRITE OFF THE F WRITE OFF THE FOOD THAT THEY GIVE TO THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW? SO I JUST, JUST, JUST GIVING AN, [01:05:01] AN ANOTHER VIEW OF IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, WENDY EGAN. WENDY STILL IN THE ROOM? WENDY EGAN. SHE'S NOT HERE. OKAY. UH, IN THAT CASE, THAT'S THE ONLY SPEAKER THAT WE HAVE. AND THIS, THIS IS FOR A, A FOOD PANTRY. THIS IS NOT LIKE THE FOOD GIVEAWAY LIKE IT WAS DONE THERE AT THE, UH, LIBRARY WITH ITS BACKUP OF TRAFFIC PAST THE FIRE STATION. BUT WE WON'T TALK ABOUT THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. WE, YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT? SURE. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A FOOD PANTRY SPECIFICALLY FOR THE YOUTH AT CASA DE SALUD. THEY'D HAVE PRIORITY FOR, UH, SHELF STABLE FOODS LIKE CRACKERS, BREAD, CANNED GOODS, AND FOR ITEMS THAT REMAIN, IT'LL BE A ONCE A MONTH REPLENISHMENT STORED INSIDE THE SMALL KITCHENETTE AREA OF CASA DE SALUD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? MOVE TO APPROVE MR. CHAIR. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SECOND. AND WE HAVE A SECOND WITH THAT. UH, PLEASE VOTE. UM HUH THAT WOULD BE FINE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. MOTION PASSES FOR OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. [8.7 Purchase of Forty (40) Panasonic Toughbook Mobile Data Computers (MDC’s) for Police Department Officers for Use in Patrol Vehicles.] NEXT WE GO TO 8.7. THIS IS A PURCHASE OF 40 PANASONIC TOUGHBOOK MOBILE DATA COMPUTERS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICERS USE IN PATROL VEHICLES. AND, UH, THIS IS MR. THOMAS REICH. UH, THIS REFERS TO EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD AFTER GOING, LEAVING THE MEETING FROM THE LAST MEETING. I WAS AT EIGHTH STREET AND NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD, AND THERE WAS A POLICEMAN THERE WITH THREE, WITH THREE MEN IN PLASTIC HANDCUFFS ON THE SIDEWALK. AND THERE WASN'T ANY BACKUP FOR 'EM. AND THE ONLY REASON I THINK THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY BACKUP IS BECAUSE THE POLICEMEN WERE LOOKING FOR THE COMPUTERS. AND YOU PEOPLE WANT TO SPEND 83 THOU NINE $196,000 ON COMPUTERS, $196,000 ON COMPUTERS. WHEN ARE THESE, ARE THESE OFFICERS WE'RE LOOKING AT A COMPUTER OR THE, OR THE PATROLLING, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO CONCENTRATE ON COM. THEY HAVE TO CONCENTRATE ON A COMPUTER. AND THE, THE, UH, THAT'S THE POINT I'M MAKING IS THAT ARE THEY, IF THEY'RE ON A COMPUTER, THEY AREN'T, THEY AREN'T POLICE WORKING. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELL, I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN THAT. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WHEN, UH, A TRAFFIC STOP, SHALL WE SAY, IS MADE A POLICE OFFICER AND CHIEF, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THEY CAN IMMEDIATELY PUNCH IN, UH, THE LICENSE PLATE OR THE PERSON'S LICENSE, UH, DRIVER'S LICENSE, WHATEVER, GET ALL THEIR INFORMATION SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT, A TON OF INFORMATION THAT COULD GO ALONG WITH THIS. AND CHIEF, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE CALLS, THE CAD, THE COMPUTER AID DISPATCHING IS GOING INTO THE COMPUTERS AND THEY'RE ABLE TO CHECK NOT ONLY, UH, WANTED PEOPLE, THEY'RE GETTING THE CALLS FOR SERVICE NOW. THEY'RE USING IT FOR THE AXON IN FLEET, WHICH IS THE DASH CAMS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE PATROL VEHICLES. SO THE OFFICERS, UH, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT FOR THE OFFICERS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, THAT'S THE ONLY SPEAKER THAT WE HAVE FOR 8.7. UH, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? MOTION GO. OKAY. WE HAVE A SECOND. I WILL, I'LL SECOND THAT. YOU HAVE, CAN YOU PUSH YOURS IN? THERE YOU GO. ALRIGHT. AND, UH, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND NOT SEEING ANY THE DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES. NEXT WE GO [8.11 Warrant Register No. 41 for the Period of 4/04/25 through 4/10/25 in the Amount of $2,064,994.12] TO EIGHT 11. THIS IS WARRANT REGISTRY NUMBER 41. AND, UH, MR. THOMAS REICH, THIS IS, UM, THIS IS WARRANT EIGHT 11. YES. EIGHT 10. EIGHT 10. THIS IS, OH, OKAY. YOU HAD 8, 8 11 ON WRITTEN ON HERE. YOU WANT 8 10, 8 10? WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'VE ALREADY PASSED IT, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL COVER, WE'LL LET YOU MAKE YOUR COMMENTS. OH, THAT'S, THIS IS WARRANT REGISTER 40, UH, THE MUSIC CORPORATION LIGHT STRUCTURE FOR 292,000 FOR KIMBALL FIELD, FOR THE BASEBALL FIELD. [01:10:02] DO JANIE PAT AND COURSE FOR THE PORT OF SAN DIEGO, OVER 60,000. THE GEO SYNTEX CONSULTANT, EXCESS EXCESS ENGINEERING DESIGN, HONEYSUCKLE, 25,000 EXXON ENTERPRISES, 55,000. THEY'RE THE, THEY'RE THE CAMS FOR THE, FOR THE POLICEMAN, BUT THAT'S ALRIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. AND, AND THE DEAN GR DEAN GAZO ROOSH LEGAL SERVICE FOR 10,000, OVER $10,000. OKAY. AND THAT'S FOR NINE 10? YEAH. EIGHT 10, YES. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. LET ME JUST SAY, HE DID MENTION ABOUT THE, UH, THE DEAL ABOUT THE LIGHTS FOR THE BASEBALL FIELD. THAT'S FOR THE LARGE BASEBALL FIELD HERE AT KIMBALL PARK. UH, THOSE LIGHTS THAT WERE IN THERE BEFORE, UH, THE LIGHTS, THE, THE WIRING, EVERYTHING ELSE WAS ALL MESSED UP ON THEM. HALF THE LIGHTS WORKED SOMETIMES AND THE OTHER ONES DIDN'T WORK AT ALL. UH, WE COULD NOT USE THAT FOR ANY OF THEIR EVENING GAMES. THEY ALL HAD TO HAVE HOME GAMES ELSEWHERE BECAUSE IT WAS SO BAD. UH, HAD BIG DARK SPOTS. THERE'S NO WAY IN THE WORLD YOU COULD PLAY OUT THERE, UH, AT NIGHT. AND IT WAS, IT WAS JUST OUT AND OUT. DANGEROUS. UH, YOU GO OUT THERE NOW, THOSE ARE BEEN REPLACED WITH ALL LED LIGHTS. UH, THERE'S SNACK BARS GONNA HAVE TO START SERVING DODGER DOGS 'CAUSE IT LOOKS BETTER THAN DODGER FIELD, UH, RIGHT NOW, UH, WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE AT NIGHT. SO, ANYWAY, FAST IMPROVEMENT OVER THERE ON THAT ONE. UH, WITH THAT, THAT WAS ACTUALLY, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, EIGHT 10, WHICH WE ALREADY APPROVED. SO, DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR EIGHT 11? SO SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE. VOTE. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT. NEXT WE [9.1 Public Hearing: 2025 Comprehensive User Fees and Full Cost Allocation] GET INTO PUBLIC HEARINGS. OUR FIRST ITEM IS, UH, 9.1. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 2025 CO COMPREHENSIVE USER FEES AND FULL COST ALLOCATION. OH. WHO'S GOING TO, WHO'S GONNA LEAD OFF HERE GROUP. HI, GOOD EVENING. MAYOR CITY COUNCIL TONIGHT WILL PRESENT THE, UH, COST ALLOCATION PLAN. UM, THIS HAS BEEN IN THE PROCESS FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR. UM, MIKE FROM WILLIAM WILL BE PRESENTING TONIGHT AND GO INTO THE IN DEPTH PROCESS OF THEIR, UM, EVALUATION. THIS, WE REVIEWED THE EXISTING FEES THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY UPDATING THOSE THROUGH CURRENT RATES. UM, TOMORROW DURING OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP, THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS FUTURE FEES THAT WE MAY WANT TO, UM, CONSIDER. THOSE ITEMS WOULD NOT BE IN TONIGHT'S PLAN OR, SO THIS WOULD REALLY BE PHASE ONE. MAYBE WE'LL COME BACK LATER WITH AN UPDATE TO THE FEE SCHEDULE. THAT'S IT IS, OH, IT IS GOING. YEP. UM, GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS MIKE MED V WITH WILL DAN. AND, UH, I'M WITH, UH, MY TEAM THERE WHO HELPED PUT TOGETHER THE FEE STUDY. UM, I'LL, UH, I'LL GO OVER THE STEPS AND, UH, SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE FEES FOR EACH DEPARTMENT, AND THEN, UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. SO, WHAT ARE USER FEES? THESE ARE A SPECIFIC SUBSET, OFTEN OF A CITY'S FEE SCHEDULE. UM, THEY USUALLY MAKE UP THE BULK OF IT. THEY FUND SERVICES THAT, UM, HAVE MOSTLY OR ALL PRIVATE BENEFIT TO INDIVIDUALS AND GROUPS, AND LIMITED OR NO COMMUNITY BENEFIT. UM, STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT, UM, THE SERVICE THAT THE CITY PROVIDES MUST BE VOLUNTARY AND THE FEES MUST, UH, RELATE TO THE SERVICES PROVIDED. WE, UH, DETERMINE THE FINAL FEE LEVELS THEMSELVES, UM, BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF AND LATER ON, ADOPTIONS BY THE CITY COUNCIL. UM, OUR JOB IS ACTUALLY NOT TO RECOMMEND ANY FEES, BUT RATHER TO DETERMINE THE FULL COST AND ALLOW YOU A RANGE WHERE YOU CAN SELECT WHERE THAT FEE IS. I DO WANT TO, UM, POINT OUT THAT THIS IS JUST THE USER FEES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE. UH, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES, UTILITY RATES, TAXES, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S A, UM, A FAIRLY SALIENT POINT THAT THESE ARE NOT TAXES, THESE ARE FEES TO REIMBURSE THE CITY FOR SERVICES PROVIDED. UH, WHY UPDATE USER FEES? I THINK, UH, ONE OF THE MOST COMPELLING REASONS IS THAT IT IS, UM, ONE OF THE FEW WAYS, UH, UNDER CALIFORNIA LAW FOR CITIES TO RECOVER COSTS THAT ARE SPENT, UM, PROVIDING THOSE PRIVATE BENEFITS TO THE PUBLIC, UM, TO RECOVER THOSE COSTS FOR THE, FOR THE GENERAL FUND [01:15:01] TO HELP TO, UM, TO HELP TO MAKE SURE THE GENERAL FUND ISN'T SUBSIDIZING THESE ACTIVITIES. AND IN THAT, UM, IN THAT ACTIVITY OF COLLECTING THESE REIMBURSEMENTS, IT FREES UP MONEY FOR, UH, OTHER THINGS. IF WE DON'T UPDATE THE FEES, THEN IT REDUCES THE CITY'S ABILITY TO FUND, UM, IMPORTANT SERVICES AND COMMUNITY BENEFITS. SO, UM, DECREASED MUNICIPAL FUNDING. SO AGAIN, IF WE DID NOT DO THIS, THEN IT COULD RESULT IN UNDERSTAFFING REDUCED SERVICE QUALITY, UM, YOU KNOW, LESS RESOURCES AVAILABLE. UH, THE OTHER THING IS THAT IN JUST, UH, THE ACTIVITY OF, OF GOING THROUGH, UM, THIS EXERCISE, AND I DO WANT TO, UM, AT THIS TIME, THANK STAFF FOR ALL THEIR PARTICIPATION. UM, IT'S ONE OF THOSE, UH, CONSULTING ACTIVITIES WHERE WE ARE MORE OF A CONDUIT THAN ANYTHING. AND THE, THE STAFF REALLY IS THE ONE WHO, WHO PUT IN A LOT OF THE WORK. WE ARE PROVIDING GUIDANCE AND, UH, DOING THE CALCULATIONS. BUT, UM, IT REQUIRES A LOT OF, UH, EXAMINATION OF PROCESSES ON BEHALF OF STAFF. AND THAT ALONE CAN HELP THEM TO, UH, PROVIDE CLARITY ON WHAT THEY DO, HOW MUCH THEY COLLECT, AND WHO'S INVOLVED. AND, UH, THAT ALLOWS 'EM TO STRATEGIZE. HOW DO WE SET THE FEES? UM, YOU KNOW, IDEAS MAY COME UP JUST IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCESS TO HELP MAKE EVERYTHING, UM, MORE EFFICIENT AND MORE EFFECTIVE. SO, UM, OUR JOB IS TO DETERMINE THE FULL COST OF EACH OF THESE SERVICES. UM, WE COME IN AND YOU ALREADY HAVE A, UH, YOU ALREADY HAVE A FEE SCHEDULE. WE DIG IN AND TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT DOES IT ACTUALLY COST FOR YOU TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE. UM, ALONG THE WAY, WE MIGHT IDENTIFY POTENTIAL NEW FEES. WE CAN REMOVE ANY UNUSED FEES. AGAIN, JUST GOING OVER THE, UM, THE SCHEDULE WITH EACH OF THE, UM, LEAD STAFF MEMBERS HELPS US TO FIGURE THAT OUT. UM, WE'RE GONNA, UH, GIVE YOU THE FULL COST TO ALLOW YOU TO UPDATE THE FEES BASED ON THE COST ANALYSIS. AND, UM, THE APPROPRIATE FEE LEVEL IS SOMETHING, AGAIN, THAT WE HELP GUIDE STAFF IN, UH, FIGURING OUT FOR, UH, CERTAIN THINGS. WE, WE WILL ALWAYS RECOMMEND FULL COST RECOVERY, BUT THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S EXCEPTIONS TO THAT RULE. THERE ARE CERTAINLY CERTAIN FEES WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY PROVIDE MORE COMMUNITY BENEFIT, UM, THAN OTHERS. AND IT, IT MIGHT BE USEFUL FOR THE CITY TO, UH, SUBSIDIZE THEM, TO KEEP THEM LOW. THINGS THAT REALLY DO, UH, PROVIDE, UM, COMMUNITY HEALTH BENEFITS OR, UH, EN ENHANCE A SENSE OF, UM, TOGETHERNESS AND COMRADERY AMONG COMMUNITY. THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE WE GENERALLY WANT TO KEEP THE FEES LOW. SO, UM, SCOPE OF OUR STUDY, UH, IN THE BEGINNING WE FIGURE OUT WHICH DEPARTMENTS YOU GUYS WANT TO, UH, UPDATE THE FEES FOR. THIS WAS A FAIRLY COMPREHENSIVE, UM, FEE STUDY. YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS LISTED THERE. AND I WILL, UH, IN, IN THE FOLLOWING SLIDES, I'LL GO OVER EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY AND GIVE YOU A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'VE DONE TO THE FEES. UM, THE DATA THAT'S USED, THE INPUTS TO OUR MODEL IS, UH, EXPENDITURE DATA, STAFFING STRUCTURES. UM, WE ALSO PREPARED A COST ALLOCATION PLAN UPDATE TO, UM, FIGURE OUT WHAT, HOW MUCH, UH, CENTRAL SERVICES CONTRIBUTE TO THE, UH, THE TOTAL ALL IN COST OF PROVIDING THESE, UH, SERVICES. WE DO, UH, COME UP WITH A TOTAL NUMBER OF PRODUCTIVE HOURS FOR THE, UH, FOR EACH CITY EMPLOYEE. UM, THAT'S HOW WE, UH, AR ARRIVE AT SOME OF THESE COSTS. WE GET TIME ESTIMATES FROM OUR, UM, FROM STAFF MEMBERS. AND WE ALSO GET, UH, DEPARTMENT INPUT FEEDBACK, UM, ON, UH, ON VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE ACTIVITIES. UH, AGAIN, STAFF SUPPORT WAS REALLY ESSENTIAL AND WE APPRECIATE, UM, THEIR ATTENTIVENESS AND, AND HELPING US TO PUT THIS STUDY TOGETHER. THIS IS, UM, THE SUMMARY OF THE STEPS AS YOU KNOW IT. THESE ARE, THESE ARE GENERALLY PRETTY, UH, BIG STUDIES THAT TAKE A LONG TIME. AND THIS IS, UH, THIS IS KIND OF OUR ROADMAP. FIRST, WE COLLECT THE DATA THAT'S AVAILABLE AND BUILD OUR MODEL. UM, WE, USING THE COST ALLOCATION PLAN WE PUT TOGETHER, YOU SEE THAT, UH, ABBREVIATION THERE, FBHR, IT'S A PRETTY CRITICAL COMPONENT TO OUR STUDY. IT MEANS FULLY BURDENED HOURLY RATES, AND I'LL DISCUSS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL LATER. WE HOLD STAFF MEETINGS WITH EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS, UM, ASKING ABOUT EACH FEE. UH, YOU KNOW, WHICH ONES ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT, WHICH ONES SHOULD WE ADD, WHICH ONE SHOULD WE GET RID OF, UM, WHO SPENDS HOW MUCH TIME ON WHICH ASPECT OF IT. AND WE'RE JUST BUILDING UP THE FULL COST FOR THE SERVICES. UM, AFTER THAT, WE, UH, TAKE GUIDANCE ON COST RECOVERY TARGETS, USUALLY AS A PERCENTAGE, BUT SOMETIMES I THINK THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THERE, THERE MIGHT BE A RECOMMENDATION. NOW WE DON'T REALLY WANNA GO ANY HIGHER WITH THAT ONE. IT'S A GOOD LEVEL [01:20:01] RIGHT NOW. UM, THAT DISCUSSION IS, IS HAD WITH EACH AND EVERY FEE. AND, UH, ONCE WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE LEVELS THAT, UM, ARE APPROPRIATE, WE PUT TOGETHER THE REPORT ITSELF. UM, THERE IS A FULL, UH, MODEL THAT CAN BE UPDATED AS TIME GOES ON. UM, IN EXCEL. WE ALSO GIVE THE FULL LIST OF FULLY BURDENED HOURLY RATES. UM, AND, UH, WE, UH, DELIVER, UM, THE STUDY ITSELF, WHICH IS, UM, JUST HERE THAT CONTAINS, UH, EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS EXPLANATIONS, LISTS OF THE FEES, AND REALLY EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO, UH, TO REVIEW, UH, THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE. UM, AND THAT LAST, UH, STEP OVER THERE TO THE FAR RIGHT IS WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC HEARING TO, UH, ADOPT THE FEES, THE, UH, PRIMARY TYPES OF DATA USED, SALARY AND BENEFITS SERVICES, SUPPLY COSTS, AND DIRECT SUPPORT COSTS, MAINTENANCE COSTS. AND MOST OF THESE ARE DONE ON AN HOURLY BASIS. WE CAN ALSO DO THEM ON A PROGRAM BASIS. BUT THIS IS THE, UH, TYPICAL CALCULATION FOR HOW WE ARRIVE AT THE FULLY BURDENED HOURLY RATE. IT'S THE, UM, SALARY AND BENEFITS DIVIDED BY THE PRODUCTIVE HOURS, THE AMOUNT OF, UH, HOURS PER YEAR THAT A, UH, AN EMPLOYEE TYPICALLY WORKS. AND THAT'LL GIVE US A SALARY AND BENEFIT RATE. AND THEN WE DEVELOP PERCENTAGE FOR THE DEPARTMENTAL OVERHEAD. SO THIS WOULD BE THE AMOUNT OF, UH, MANAGEMENT STAFF AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, BUILDING COSTS, MAINTENANCE, THAT KIND OF THING FOR THE DEPARTMENT. WE TURN THAT INTO A RATE, AND THEN WE ADD THAT PERCENTAGE. AND THEN WE TAKE THE, UH, CENTRAL SERVICE OVERHEAD. THAT WOULD BE THE TIME AND EFFORT AND EXPENSE OF CITY COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, FINANCE ALL THE CENTRAL DEPARTMENTS, AND ALLOCATE THOSE OUT TO THE OPERATING DEPARTMENTS THAT PROVIDE THE SERVICES. UM, THAT IS ALSO CONVERTED INTO A PERCENTAGE RATE ADDED ON TOP. AND THAT GIVES US THE FULLY BURDENED HOURLY RATES. SO WHEN, UH, IF YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS STUDY AND YOU LOOK AT THE RATES THEMSELVES, EACH ONE IS ASSIGNED TO A STAFF MEMBER, JUST BEAR IN MIND THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY GET PAID. THAT'S WHAT THE CITY PAYS, UM, FOR EACH HOUR THAT THEY WORK ALL INCLUSIVE. AND ONLY A PORTION OF THAT IS WHAT GOES TO THEM IN, UH, SALARY. UH, AGAIN, FULLY BURDENED HOURLY RATES ARE THE MAIN METHOD THAT WE USE TO CALCULATE THE FEES. UM, AND IT'S, UH, IMPORTANT TO BEAR IN MIND THAT ALL THE PROCESSES, PERSONNEL, INDIRECT SUPPORT, UM, INVOLVED GO INTO THIS, UH, FEE. SO THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE. OF ALL THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN PROVIDING, UM, A HYPOTHETICAL FEE, YOU MIGHT HAVE THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR, PERMIT REVIEWER, INSPECTOR, CITY ENGINEER, CITY CLERK, AND CLERICAL STAFF. THIS IS PROBABLY A PLANNING ACTIVITY, UM, OR AN ENGINEERING ACTIVITY. A LOT OF TIMES, MANY DIFFERENT HANDS TOUCH THE, UH, THE SERVICE THAT'S BEING PROVIDED TO THE INDIVIDUAL, TO THE DEVELOPER, OR TO THE GROUP THAT'S REQUESTING IT. NOW I'M GONNA GO THROUGH, UM, EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS. UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH EACH FEE INDIVIDUALLY. I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU A SUMMARY OF, UH, THE RESULTS OF THE FEE STUDY FOR EACH DEPARTMENT AND OUR METHODOLOGY THAT WE USED. SO, UM, WHEN I SAY TIME-BASED COST ANALYSIS, THAT MEANS THAT WE DID CREATE TIMETABLES WITH THE FULLY BURDENED HOURLY RATES. ADD 'EM ALL TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT LIKE AN INVOICE, AND, UH, DETERMINE THE FEE FOR BUILDING. UH, WE'RE SEEING AN INCREASE TO 162 FEES. SEVEN FEES ARE GOING TO DECREASE FORWARD, REMAIN THE SAME. AND THE AVERAGE CHANGE, UH, IS AN INCREASE OF 27% FOR EXISTING FEES. WE DON'T INCLUDE THE NEW FEES, UH, OR THE REMOVED FEES IN THIS CALCULATION FOR CITY CLERK. UM, ALSO A TIME-BASED COST ANALYSIS AS AN INCREASE TO TWO FEES. UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO FIVE NEW FEES. ONE FEE WOULD REMAIN AS SET. THE AVERAGE CHANGE WOULD BE AN INCREASE OF 104%, UM, TO EXISTING FEES. THESE FEES TEND TO BE PRETTY SMALL ANYWAY. SO 104% IS A PRETTY SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY. COMMUNITY SERVICES, UM, THESE FEES ARE PRIMARILY USE OF GOVERNMENT PROPERTY. THEY GO BY A DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY THAN OTHERS. UM, IT'S REALLY BASED ON, UH, PUBLIC POLICY USAGE, MARKET FACTORS, REALLY WHAT, UM, YOU GUYS THINK THESE RENTAL FACILITIES, UM, SHOULD BE CHARGED. AND WE TAKE THE GUIDANCE OF STAFF ON THAT. UM, GENERALLY THERE'S A, THERE'S A BALANCE TO KEEP THINGS AFFORDABLE AND ALSO KEEP THEM COMPETITIVE. UM, WE, UH, COST RECOVERY ISN'T THE ULTIMATE GOAL, BUT, UH, IT IS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION. WE ARE, UH, INCREASING TWO OF THESE FEES. 66 ARE GONNA REMAIN AS THEY'RE SET. AND ONE NEW FEE WILL BE ADDED. THIS IS AN AVERAGE INCREASE OF 1% FOR EXISTING FEES FOR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS. UM, WE ARE GOING TO [01:25:01] BE PUTTING TOGETHER AN ALL NEW, UH, FEE STRUCTURE BASED ON PERSONNEL COSTS. SO I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE THE FULLY BURDENED HOUR RATES. UM, THOSE WILL BE USED TO, UH, LOG THE TIME OF STAFF MEMBERS. AND THEN, UH, SINCE THESE ARE USUALLY, UM, PAID BY DEVELOPERS AND, AND, UH, PEOPLE MAKING CHANGES TO THEIR, TO THEIR PROPERTY OR REQUESTING INSPECTIONS, IT'S GONNA BE CHARGED MORE ON AN HOURLY BASIS. NOW WITH, UH, 20 NEW FEES ADDED AND THEN 16 FEES REMAINING AS THEY ARE CURRENTLY FOR FIRE, WE PRIMARILY DID A TIME-BASED COST ANALYSIS. 46 FEES WILL INCREASE. 23 WILL DECREASE. 13 ARE GONNA REMAIN THE SAME, 25 WILL BE ADDED. AND THE AVERAGE CHANGE FOR EXISTING FEES WILL BE AN INCREASE OF 14%. REFINANCE. AGAIN, PRIMARILY A TIME-BASED COST ANALYSIS. THERE'S GONNA BE AN INCREASE TO 13 FEES. 19 WILL REMAIN AS THEY ARE, AND THE AVERAGE CHANGE WILL BE AN INCREASE OF 2%. FOR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, AGAIN, MOSTLY TIME-BASED, WE'RE GONNA SEE 41 FEES INCREASE. 14 WILL REMAIN THE SAME, UH, EIGHT NEW FEES ADDED, AND THE AVERAGE CHANGE WILL BE AN INCREASE OF 50% TO EXISTING FEES. WE'RE PLANNING, UH, PRIMARILY TIME-BASED COST ANALYSIS. WE'RE GONNA INCREASE 33 FEES. UH, ONE FEE WILL DECREASE. FIVE WILL REMAIN THE SAME, ONE NEW FEE WILL BE ADDED, AND THE AVERAGE CHANGE IS 42% INCREASE. FOR POLICE, AGAIN, TIME-BASED, WE'RE GONNA SEE, UH, INCREASE TO 16 FEES. SEVEN WOULD REMAIN THE SAME, AND THE AVERAGE CHANGE WOULD BE AN INCREASE OF 118%. MOVING ON TO, UH, POLICY CONSIDERATIONS, THE, UH, GENERAL STANDARD METHODOLOGY THAT WE'RE USING IS THAT, UM, IF WE AND STAFF, UM, BELIEVE THAT IT'S REALLY JUST THE PRIVATE BENEFIT WITH NO COMMUNITY BENEFIT, THEN WE DO RECOMMEND A HUNDRED PERCENT COST RECOVERY. THERE ARE VERY FEW WAYS THAT A CITY CAN INCREASE ITS REVENUE, UM, WITHOUT GOING TO A VOTE. AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM, IT'S ONE OF THE PRIMARY WAYS IT, FROM, UH, THE SUMMARY THAT I JUST DID. YOU CAN SEE THAT ALMOST EVERY CITY DEPARTMENT IS INVOLVED IN THESE FEES. SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY BROAD BASED. IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, COST BASIS TO IT, AND THE REIMBURSEMENT MAKES IT SO THAT THE GENERAL FUND DOESN'T NEED TO SUBSIDIZE THOSE ACTIVITIES. UM, SOME SITUATIONS WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE PARTICIPATION, PROVIDE BROAD ACCESS, AND THAT HAS BEEN REFLECTED IN THE RECOMMENDED FEES. UM, WE ALSO WANNA PROMOTE COMPLIANCE, UM, WITH, WITH THINGS LIKE INSPECTIONS, BECAUSE IF YOU SET THE FEES TOO HIGH, THEN PEOPLE TEND TO AVOID THEM. WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN EITHER. UM, WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY, UH, UPDATE THESE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS USING CPI, UH, CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX, OR OTHER FACTORS. AND, UH, I, I, I DO BELIEVE THAT, UM, I, I WAS HERE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO MAYBE, UH, PRESENTING A PREVIOUS, UH, FEE SCHEDULE. AND WE, WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONTINUE TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS LIKE THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS. SO NOW I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF COUNSEL. YES. UH, OKAY. THESE ARE GONNA BE CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS THIS DAY, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR, UH, PUBLIC HEARING. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, ALL OF THIS INFORMATION. I DO WANNA POINT OUT, UH, THE STUDIES THEMSELVES. YOU HAVE A BOOKLET IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT THEY ARE ALSO AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW. WE HAVE THEM LISTED IN OUR AGENDA, UM, IN OUR E SCRIBE PORTAL. THEY'RE, UH, VARIOUS DIFFERENT, UH, EXHIBITS THAT HAVE ALL OF THIS INFORMATION. SO, UM, IT IS VERY DENSE INFORMATION, A LOT OF TEENY TINY, SKINNY LITTLE LINES, BUT ALL OF THE LI, ALL OF THE INCREASES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, OR EVEN FEES THAT REMAIN THE SAME OR THE ONES THAT ARE DECREASING, ALL OF THAT IS PUBLISHED ON OUR WEBSITE. SO FOLKS, UH, CAN HAVE GREATER DETAIL AS FAR AS WHAT ARE THE FEES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND IT IS GREAT DETAIL. THE ONE THING I WANNA POINT OUT THERE IS A LOT OF NAS ON SOME OF THE SERVICES, AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE'S A PHASE TWO TO THE, UM, STUDY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU OR THE CITY MANAGER WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT. UH, COULD YOU PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE NAS ARE? I DON'T HAVE THAT. UH, SCOTT. YEAH, I ESSENTIALLY, UM, MY REVIEW OF THE STUDY WAS LATE IN THE PROCESS 'CAUSE I JUST CAME ON BOARD, BUT WE WANTED TO KEEP THIS STUDY MOVING FORWARD THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. THERE'S AREAS IN COMMUNITY SERVICES THAT WE DIDN'T DO THE COST ANALYSIS OR IT WASN'T REFLECTED IN THE REPORT. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO, AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN ENGAGED THEM IN THIS CONVERSATION YET, SO SURPRISE, WE'RE LOOKING TO BRING THEM BACK AND DO KIND OF AN AUGMENTED STUDY ON SOME SPECIFIC AREAS. COMMUNITY SERVICES IS ONE REALLY TO GET [01:30:01] THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE COST INVOLVED WITH THAT. THEY MAY HAVE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION. MM-HMM . UM, THEN THE SECOND PART, WE WERE GONNA LOOK AT SOME, UH, FIRE, UH, FEES THAT WEREN'T EVALUATED, MAINLY DEALING WITH, UH, PARAMEDIC SERVICES OFF THE ENGINE. AND THEN, UH, WE HAD SOME STUFF DEALING WITH EXPEDITED BUILDING PERMITS AND DEPOSITS IN THE BUILDING PERMITS, WHICH WASN'T PART OF THEIR SCOPE. SO WE'RE, WE NEED TO COME BACK, REDO A SCOPE WITH THEM AND, AND HIT THOSE OTHER FEES. AND OF COURSE THEN ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE TONIGHT, UH, THAT YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT, WE WOULD INCLUDE IN THAT, UH, PROPOSAL TOO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, CITY MANAGER. SCOTT HO, UH, FOR THAT ADDITIONAL DETAIL, I DO APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION. I THINK JUST AS YOU SAID, UH, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO EVALUATE WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN DO FULL COST RECOVERY, UM, IN, AND OF COURSE THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS, RIGHT? UH, YOU CITED SOME VERY GOOD TIMES WHERE THE GOAL ISN'T TO DO FULL COST RECOVERY, IT IS TO GATHER INDIVIDUALS FORM COMMUNITY, WHICH I COMPLETELY AGREE ON, BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THIS CITY TO, BUT MAXIMIZE THE RETURN ON, UH, THE SERVICES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED, UM, SO THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO MORE TO, FOR OUR CITY, UM, FOLKS, UH, AND, AND NOT OPERATE UNDER A BUDGET THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IN THE RED. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. I ALSO DID HEAR YOU SAY, UM, IT IS A RECOMMENDED STUDY, A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY EVERY FIVE YEARS. AND YOU MENTIONED THAT THE CITY HAD PRESENTLY DONE THIS FIVE YEARS AGO, SO WE'RE ON TRACK. I THINK SO, UM, I DO REMEMBER COMING HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS FIVE YEARS EXACTLY, BUT IT WAS, UH, RECENT ENOUGH. A LOT OF OUR, A LOT OF OUR CLIENTS, UM, WAIT A LOT LONGER. WELL, THAT'S GOOD. SO, YEAH. YEAH. UH, I, AND I'M NOT HOLDING YOU TO A SPECIFIC TIMELINE, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I HAD HEARD SOME CRITICISM, PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, IT IS, OUR FEES ARE SO OUTDATED, BUT TO KNOW THAT IN FACT WE ARE STICKING TO, UH, SORT OF AN INDUSTRY NORM IS HELPFUL AND, UM, NATIONAL CITY IS DOING ITS BEST TO STAY ON TRACK, ON TOP OF COST RECOVERY AND FEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND WHAT WE CAN DO. RIGHT. UH, SO I APPRECIATE ALL OF THIS INPUT. THANK YOU. YES. COULD YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE? SO ON THE POLICY CONSIDERATIONS, GENERAL, UH, GENERAL STANDARD INDIVIDUALS OR GROUPS RECEIVE PRIVATE BENEFIT FROM SERVICE SHOULD PAY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE COST. SO COULD YOU, UH, AND I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT, BUT COULD YOU GIVE SOME EXAMPLES OF, OF WHAT THAT MEANS? SURE. I THINK, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS, UH, A GROUP OF FEES WHERE WE GENERALLY RECOMMEND, UM, COST RECOVERY. UM, MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE BIG COST ITEMS WOULD BE COMING FROM, UH, DEVELOPERS OR BUSINESSES WHO ARE SEEKING, UM, TO DO THINGS LIKE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, FIRE INSPECTIONS. OR IF, UM, YOU KNOW, IF A CORPORATION IS HOLDING A LARGE EVENT, UM, THAT ACCORDING TO CODE NEEDS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF, UH, UNIFORMED OFFICERS THERE, OR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FIRE FIGHTERS THERE TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SAFE, THEN WE WANT THEM TO PAY FULL COST RECOVERY FOR THAT. UM, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE A FEW EXAMPLES WHERE WE WOULD RECOMMEND FULL COST RECOVERY. GOT IT. AND, AND AS OPPOSED TO, FOR EXAMPLE, COMMUNITY SERVICES, WHICH, UM, OUR CITY MANAGER, UH, REFERRED TO THAT WE DIDN'T GO OVER COMPLETELY. SO WE, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE RECREATIONAL FEES, UH, POSSIBLY MAYBE THOSE BEING TOO LOW. SO THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE, RIGHT? OF SOMETHING THAT ISN'T TOUCHED HERE. YEAH, SO FOR THE, UH, FOR THE RENTAL OF PUBLIC PROPERTY, UM, YOU HAVE SOME FREEDOM THERE. AND I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW, AND I BELIEVE ON THE, ON THE SLIDE, THOSE FEES WERE NOT GOING UP VERY MUCH. AND THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED THAT WE DIDN'T DO A FULL, UH, COST RECOVERY ELEVATE, UH, COST RECOVERY EVALUATION. BUT WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. UM, IN THE FUTURE, IF DESIRED, IF YOU FEEL LIKE, UH, THE HOURLY RATE FOR RENTING THOSE DOESN'T, UH, DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO COVERING THE AMOUNT TO CLEAN UP OR THE AMOUNT TO STAFF IT, UM, THEN WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AT A LATER TIME. UM, BUT FOR NOW, SINCE IT IS RENTAL OF CITY PROPERTY, I DON'T BELIEVE MANY OF THEM, UM, INCREASED BECAUSE I ONLY SAW THE 1% UP THERE. BUT IF YOU DID WANNA RAISE THOSE TO, UH, TO A LEVEL THAT YOU FELT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE JUST FOR WHAT PEOPLE ARE RECEIVING, UM, YOU COULD OSTENSIBLY DO THAT. GOT IT. YEAH. AND THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M PROPOSING TO DO HERE. JUST FOR THE CLARIFICATION. AND IN COMPARISON TO THE, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IN THAT COST RECOVERY, I THINK IF I CAN CHIME IN, IS, UM, WE WANNA UNDERSTAND THE COST, WHAT WE DO, UH, WITH THE FEE AFTER THAT IS, IS ANOTHER ISSUE. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT COSTS US TO PROVIDE A SERVICE, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF HOW, HOW TO SUBSIDIZE IT OR WORK IT. BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO BRING BACK, IS TO DO SOME OF THAT ANALYSIS SO YOU HAVE THE REAL COST OF PROVIDING SOME OF THOSE SERVICES WE DIDN'T LOOK AT. AND [01:35:01] THEN WE WILL HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THOUGHTS AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE I SEE THE ACTION HERE IS ADOPTING THE FEE SCHEDULE, BUT ISN'T THAT ADOPTING ALL OF THE RECOMMENDED FEES? BECAUSE THERE'S CATEGORIES ON ALL, ALL OF HERE ON THE COLUMNS OF RECOMMENDED FEES. YEAH. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOU TO TAKE ACTION ON THE FEE STUDY THAT'S BEFORE YOU, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK AS A FOLLOW UP STUDY FOR THEM TO WORK ON. SO YOU, YOU'RE COMFORTABLE OR WE'D LIKE TO FEEL THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD TONIGHT WITH WHAT WE HAVE. AND THEN, BUT WHAT, SO YOU'RE TALKING JUST ABOUT THE REPORT PART OF IT? UM, WELL, THE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THE REPORT, GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE, UH, FEES, OR IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE, THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH ADOPTING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS? YES. THANK YOU. UM, JUST WOULD LIKE TO THANK, UM, THE LEADERSHIP OF, UM, MR. BRUCE FALLS, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR. 'CAUSE THIS WAS BEEN A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE HAD, UM, DURING THE TIME WITH OUR CHIEF ATTORNEY AND OUR, UH, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER TO BE PRUDENT IN LOOKING FOR WAYS ON HOW TO IMPROVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UH, THE COST AND THE SERVICES OF OUR CITY. AND, AND SO I SEE THAT THERE IS, IT CAME TO FRUITION. UH, WE HAVE A TEMPLATE, UM, THERE IS A DIRECTION HERE SAYS APPROVAL. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ON THE QUESTION OF MY, UH, VICE MAYOR SAYING THAT, ARE THIS THE CAUSE THAT WE ARE GOING TO ADOPT NOW, MR. FALLS, OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, REVISIT THOSE IF, IF, UH, IF THIS ARE ALREADY OKAY, NO. COULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO ADOPT THE FEES AS SHOWN TONIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN ANYTHING ADDITIONAL, WE CAN COME BACK LATER IN THE FUTURE? I BELIEVE SO. OKAY. THANK, YEAH. ADOPTING THE FEES TONIGHT, THEY'RE NOT SET IN STONE. OKAY. REALLY WHAT YOU'RE ADOPTING IS BOTH THE STUDY THAT SHOWS THE, UM, THE MAXIMUM FEE LEVEL AND THE FEES THEMSELVES. BUT IF YOU ADOPT THE FEES AND YOU FEEL LIKE, OOPS, THIS FEE IS JUST WAY TOO HIGH, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT, YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND LOWER IT BECAUSE YOU'RE LOWERING IT TO A LEVEL THAT'S BELOW THE FULL COST. MM-HMM . UM, YOU DON'T NEED TO CALL US BACK IN. WE'VE, WE'VE TOLD YOU THE MAXIMUM, AND IF YOU SAY WE WANNA SET IT LOWER, THEN GO AHEAD. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. OKAY. MEMBER RODRIGUEZ. THANK YOU, MS. MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE WORK, UM, UH, STAFF AND, AND, UM, UH, CONSULTANTS AND, AND MAKING THIS HAPPEN. I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO UPDATE THE FEE STRUCTURE AND AGREE THAT, UH, COMMUNITY SERVICES IN PARTICULAR, UH, WOULD NOT BE PROPOSED TO BE IMPACTED. UH, THAT INCLUDES RECREATIONAL SERVICES, POOL SERVICES, UH, FACILITY RENTAL FEES, ALL THE THINGS THAT COMMUNITY UTILIZES THE MOST, AND FAMILIES IN PARTICULAR, UH, WITH YOUNG CHILDREN NEED. AND SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING THAT IN MIND. I KNOW WE HAD A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS A WHILE BACK. I AM ALSO INTERESTED IN, UH, HAVING, UH, STAFF COME BACK WITH A PROGRAM FOR DISADVANTAGED INDIVIDUALS, UH, IN PARTICULAR DISABLED OR SENIORS THAT WOULD HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME PAYING THE PROPOSED FEE INCREASES SPECIFICALLY IN DEVELOPMENT. SO I'M THINKING OF THE RETIRED INDIVIDUALS, UH, WHICH ARE ON FIXED INCOME, BUT OWN THEIR PROPERTY AND OFTENTIMES NEED TO WORK ON THEIR PROPERTY. BUT, UM, GETTING PERMITS AND PAYING AN ADDITIONAL FEE FOR FIXING ROOF OR FIXING, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, FLOORS OR WINDOWS. UM, I'M CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN HAVING STAFF COME BACK, UH, WITH SOME KIND OF PROGRAM FOR THEM. OKAY. AND, AND AGAIN, UM, IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY TO CALL US AND TO DO ANOTHER STUDY FOR THAT BECAUSE, UM, THAT WOULD BE, UH, THOSE, THOSE EXEMPTIONS OR WAIVERS WOULD BE LOWERING, UM, THE AMOUNT THE CITY COLLECTS BELOW THE FULL COST. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO ON YOUR OWN STAFF COULD DO ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT, UH, US NEEDING TO DO ANYTHING FURTHER. HOW DO WE, UM, MAKE THAT HAPPEN? UH, LOOKING AT CITY MANAGER, I THINK YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. YOUR, YOUR FELLOW MEMBERS AGREE AND ASSIGN US THAT WORK THROUGH THE CHAIR. YES. IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT COUNCIL MEMBER. SO YOU, I MEAN, THE DIRECTION AND THE RECOMMENDATION FROM CITY MANAGER AND STAFF WOULD, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF WITHIN THAT, THAT, UM, ALLOCATION THAT THEY HAD PRESENTED OR RECOMMENDED, IT'S IN BETWEEN, THEY CAN MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS. YEAH. BUT I, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. YOU WANT US TO DO, UH, GO BACK AND LOOK AT DEVELOPING POTENTIALLY A PROGRAM THAT CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THE, UH, SENIOR DISABLED PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING CHALLENGES WORKING ON THEIR PROPERTY AND, UM, AND HOW THESE FEES MAY BE [01:40:01] AN IMPEDIMENT FOR THEM TO DO THAT. AND ALSO I'M SAYING IS THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY DID. THAT'S US DOING IT IN HOUSE AND SEEING HOW WE CAN DO THAT. AND ALL WE NEED IS COUNCIL DIRECTION FOR THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO PROVIDE THAT, UH, DIRECTION, OR AT LEAST A DISCUSSION AMONG MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES. OKAY. LET'S KEEP IT A CLARIFICATION QUESTION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING YET. THANK YOU. THOSE WOULD BE ALL MY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL HAVE YOU BACK UP PROBABLY IN A FEW, JUST A FEW MOMENTS. BUT TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS, UH, MR. UH, THOMAS REICH BE FOLLOWED BY EDWARD NETTO. IF YOU SAW THAT FEE, EXCUSE ME, IF YOU SAW THAT FEE LIST, THEY HAVE $35 FOR SLEEPING IN YOUR CAR AS ALONG WITH PARKING TICKETS. THOSE ARE ALL, THEY'RE ALL LISTED IN THE FEES. AND MY POINT IS, 30 PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD, CAN'T AFFORD ON A, A ROOM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO BE ABLE TO SLEEP IN THEIR CAR. MAYBE IF THEY SHOULD, THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SLEEP IN THEIR CAR. EVEN THEY HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS IF THEY CAN'T AFFORD A, THEY CAN'T AFFORD A ROOM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, MR. EDWARDO GIVE THIS TO YOU, HAVE SOME HANDOUTS. HOPEFULLY FOLLOW ME FOR THIS. THANK YOU. ONE. UM, AND I HEAR YOU TALK, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN $8.4 MILLION DEFICIT, AND SCOTT HIT IT RIGHT ON THE ROAD ON THE NOSE HERE, THAT WE HAVE TO FIRST FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT OUR COST IS BEFORE WE START CALCULATING AND MAKING FEE WAIVERS AND COMING UP WITH NEW AREAS. NOW, UM, THIS IS PROBABLY, IN MY WORLD, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST EXCITING ISSUE, . YEAH. AND, UM, I GOTTA TELL YOU THAT MORE EXCITING THE PRAS. COME ON. YEAH. YEAH. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WHAT'S MISSING HERE IS THAT, UH, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BACKWARDS. UH, WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE IS WE HAVEN'T, UM, THESE ARE JUST NOTES ON THE PROPOSITION AND QUESTIONS, UH, UH, AGAINST THOSE, UH, AGAINST THAT, UH, UH, INFORMATION, THOSE HANDOUTS THAT YOU GAVE US. NOW, WHAT'S MISSING HERE, I THINK YOU DID THIS IN REVERSE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FEES, BUT WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT COST ALLOCATION. YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT ALL THE COSTS ARE? YOU KNOW, THE ALLOCATION PLAN. WHERE'S THE, WHERE'S THE DISCUSSION, DISCUSSION ON THAT? HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE ALLOCATING ALL THE COSTS THAT YOU SHOULD BE ALLOCATING? WHAT COST HAVE YOU NOT ALLOCATED THAT SHOULD BE ALLOCATED IN THE CALCULATION OF THE FEES? YOU KNOW, AS AN EXAMPLE, , WE TALK ABOUT OUR BUDGET LINE BUDGET ITEM. IS THAT LINE BUDGET ITEM AN ALLOCATED COST? IF IT'S, IF IT IS, GREAT, LET'S ALLOCATE IT. LET'S GET THE MONEY BACK. IF IT'S NOT ALLOCATED, WHY NOT? WHAT'S STOPPING US? WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE IT, UH, CHARGEABLE? YOU KNOW, THIS NEEDS A LITTLE BIT, A LOT MORE ANALYSIS. I LIKE THE PART ABOUT APPROVING THE FEES FOR RIGHT NOW TO GET US THROUGH. BUT IN TERMS OF PLANNING AND ORGANIZING AND DIGGING YOURSELVES OUT OF THE EIGHT POINT MILLION DOLLARS, $8.4 MILLION DEFICIT, THIS IS THE TIME TO STEP UP AND NOW ANALYZE THIS IN A WAY THAT, THAT THAT'S GONNA SHOW US WHAT THE COMPLETE COST IS BEFORE WE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ON WHAT THE FEES SHOULD BE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S MISSING HERE. WE'RE SORT OF JUMPING TO, WELL, LET'S MAKE IT A FAIR FEE. YOU KNOW, LET'S DON'T BURDEN THIS, BUT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT OUR COST IS BEFORE WE'RE EVEN DOING THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S THE SHORTSIGHTEDNESS OF, OF WHAT'S HAPPENED. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE TO ASK IS, HOW DID WE GET TO THIS POINT WHERE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE LET THE FEES GO FOR SUCH A LONG TIME. THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT INCREASES. NO WONDER WE'RE IN THE EIGHT POINT MILLION DOLLARS DEFICIT. WE ARE, WE'VE BEEN UNDERCHARGING. SO, SO THAT'S A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR THAT NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZED AND REALIZED AND LOOKED AND MAKE NEED TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS ON WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO REMEDY RATIFY THIS. I HOPE THESE NOTES ARE MAKE SENSE. YOU KNOW, I, UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANNA TELL YOU HOW YOU GOT IT, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD JUST SAY, I THINK IT'S ON APPENDIX A WHAT, UM, ON PAGE 26 OF THE 79 PAGE. IT'S A BIG DOCUMENT WITH A LOT OF DETAILS, SO I HOPE THIS IS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. THERE'S A LOT TO READ THROUGH HERE, BUT THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. UH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON ZOOM ON THIS ONE? WE DO NOT. WE JUST HAVE ONE PERSON THAT HAD SUBMITTED WRITTEN, UM, COMMENT. HER NAME IS WENDY EGAN. OKAY. [01:45:01] ALRIGHT. UH, WITH THAT, I WOULD, UH, LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND JUST TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, WHEN IT COMES UP, UH, THERE, IT'S, OH, IT DIDN'T, IT WON'T LET ME PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, NOW WE CAN GET INTO DISCUSSION OR WHATEVER. UH, QUESTION I HAVE, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT IN THIS DOCUMENT. THERE'S A LOT OF PAGES WITH A LOT OF COLUMNS, A LOT OF FIGURES. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND SO SOMETIMES WE DON'T WANT TO DO COST RECOVERY. SOMETIMES YOU WANNA DO COST RECOVERY, BUT SOMETIMES COST RECOVERY IS COUNTERINTUITIVE. UH, I'LL GIVE YOU A CLASSIC EXAMPLE. UH, WE HAD USED TO HAVE A MONSTER PROBLEM HERE IN NASHVILLE CITY WITH CAR SA OR GARAGE SALES. AND, UH, PEOPLE WERE JUST, THEIR FRONT YARD JUST BECAME A SEVEN DAY A WEEK YARD, UH, UH, BASICALLY SWAP MEET, YOU KNOW, HAD ALL THEIR TABLES SET UP AND THEY HAVE NEW MATERIAL OUT THERE. AND EVERY DAY IT WAS LIKE A SWAP MEET AND IT GOT REALLY OUTTA HAND. STATE LAW SAYS THAT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE TWO YARD SALES A YEAR, OTHERWISE YOU BECOME A BUSINESS. AND, UH, SO WE STARTED, UH, SAYING, OKAY, WE WILL GIVE EVERYONE TWO, UH, PERMITS A YEAR TO GO IN, IN LINE WITH, UH, THE, UH, STATE LAW. BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO IMPOSE ANYTHING. WE JUST WANTED 'EM TO GET PERMITS ON IT SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ALL THE PROBLEMS WE WERE HAVING. WELL, GUESS WHAT? NO ONE CAME AND GOT THE PERMITS. 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T CHARGE ANYTHING FOR 'EM. SO THEY WERE, IF IT, IF YOU DON'T CHARGE FOR IT, IT MUST NOT BE WORTH ANYTHING. SO NO ONE WOULD GET THE PERMITS. SO WHAT WE SAID WAS, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA CHARGE $5 PER PERMIT, DIDN'T COVER THE COST, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYONE CAME IN TO GET, GET PERMITS. UH, LAST TIME FIVE YEARS AGO, WE RAISED THAT UP TO $7. NOW IT'S GOING TO FROM $7 TO $15 AND THIS FULL COST RECOVERY. THE QUESTION IS, DO WE NOW, YOU KNOW, START PUSHING OURSELVES SO PEOPLE ARE GONNA START, UH, GOING AROUND THE IDEA OF NOT GETTING PERMITS FOR SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS YOUR YARD SALE AND, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ON THE SMALL LEVEL. BUT LET ME GIVE YOU ANOTHER ONE THAT I NOTICED HERE, AND I'M JUST, JUST BRINGING UP A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES. UM, DON'T THINK OF A NO BIG DEAL, BUT WHAT ABOUT IF YOUR CAT OR YOUR DOG DIES CALLED AND YOU CAN HAVE ANIMAL PICKUP, YOU KNOW, AND THEY, THEY COME AND PICK UP A DEAD ANIMAL AND THEY CHARGE IT $45. THAT'S WHAT THE CHARGE IS TO PICK UP A DEAD ANIMAL. WELL, NOT WITH A NEW FEE, WITH A NEW FEE, IT'S $319 AND 48 CENTS. UM, I THINK WE MAY BE HAVING A LOT OF BACKYARD PET CEMETERIES OR ANIMALS DUMPED OFF IN TRASH CANS OR WHATEVER. I MEAN, WITH THAT, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE REAL ABOUT THIS THING. UH, YOU KNOW, AND SO IS THAT WHERE YOU WANT TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT MANY OF THEM, BUT IS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE COUNTERINTUITIVE TO WHAT WE WANT WITHIN THE CITY. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, MOST OF IT YOU WANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT TRULY ARE VOLUNTARY, THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING SOMETHING WITH THEIR, YOU KNOW, MAKING, UH, MAJOR RENOVATION OR BUILDING A NEW HOUSE OR DOING ALL OF THE, UH, DIFFERENT THINGS OR ASKING FOR SOME BIG VARIANCE OR SOMETHING. YOU WANT FULL COST RECOVERY. THE REST OF THE CITIZENS SHOULDN'T BE, UH, PAYING FOR THAT, UH, FOR SOMEONE THAT WANTS THAT. BUT SOME OF THESE THINGS, AS I SAY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T PUT OURSELF BACKWARDS THE OTHER WAY. SO, UH, SAY I JUST BRING UP, I'M JUST BRINGING UP TWO EXAMPLES THERE, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD, COULD CAUSE US, COULD CAUSE US SOME PROBLEMS WITH THESE FEES. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE MRS. SMITH OVER HERE CALLS, YOU KNOW, WANTS TO HAVE HER, HER DEAD CAT PICKED UP AND THEY GO, SURE, WE'LL PICK IT UP AND WE'LL CHARGE YOU $319 AND 48 CENTS. UM, FORGET IT. I THINK THE CAT'S STILL ALIVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND. IT'S NOT, THE CAT'S NOT THAT DEAD YET. UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SO IT'S, UH, THAT, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE, MAYOR, IT'S YOU, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS. WE TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK FOR HAVING THE CONNECTION WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS YEP. AND, AND SOME OF OUR CONNECTIONS THAT WE GET WITH THEM EVERY DAY. AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE BEST POLICY DECISION ON HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT THE, THESE CONSULTANTS GAVE YOU WITH WORKING WITH OUR STAFF, WHAT THE COST IS, AND THEN NOW WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH IF THOSE COSTS ARE ON POINT, OR DO YOU WANT TO TEST SOMETHING ELSE? OKAY. AND IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, I BELIEVE YOUR CITY ATTORNEY CAN PROBABLY HELP [01:50:01] YOU IN HOW TO PHRASE THAT IF YOU APPROVE IT WITH THOSE CONTINGENCIES AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS INCORPORATED INTO THE FINAL FEE SCHEDULE. WELL, THE OTHER THING IS, NOW THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR ADOPTION OF THIS. THIS ISN'T FOR INTRODUCTION, RIGHT? NO. YOU'RE, YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO ADOPT THE FEE SCHEDULE, RIGHT? SO THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT AN ORDINANCE IN HERE DOING IT, RIGHT? THERE'S NOT AN ORDINANCE OF ITSELF. SO NORMALLY WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE CAN ALWAYS SAY, OKAY, WE'RE COME BACK ON THE NEXT MEETING, THIS CASE, WE DON'T GET THAT. WE REALLY DON'T GET THAT OPTION. THIS IS, THIS IS ADOPTION OF THE FEE SCHEDULE. SO COULD WE SO IT, IT IS, IS A LOTTED REALLY COMPREHENSIVE ON THE FEES. SO, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED ON THE REPORT. SO ARE WE ABLE TO ADOPT AT LEAST THE REPORT AND THEN COME BACK IN A COUPLE MONTHS ON THE ADOPTION OF THE FEE SCHEDULE? IS THAT AN OPTION FOR US? I, I THINK WHAT WE WANNA DO IS THIS, IS, THIS IS THE MAXIMUM FEES, RIGHT. THAT THEY CAN JUSTIFY AND, AND YOU CAN ADOPT THAT AS YOUR FEE SCHEDULE. AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK AND SAY, WE'VE GOT CERTAIN, ALL THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND YOU WANT TO REDUCE THAT MM-HMM . OR, OR NOT CHARGE THEM, THEN WE CAN MAKE THAT REVISION. WE JUST CAN'T CHARGE MORE. BUT YOU CAN, YEAH. WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU GO ON RECORD THAT YOU HAVE A FEE SCHEDULE THAT COMPLIES WITH THE LAW. I THINK IF YOU CAN GIVE US FEEDBACK TONIGHT ON ANY THINGS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS WITH OR THOUGHTS ON, WE WANT TO COLLECT THAT. I, I THINK WE ARE DEFINITELY MOTIVATED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FEES, BUT WE ARE NOT MOTIVATED TO MOVE FASTER THAN YOU'RE READY TO. YEAH. GOT IT. 'CAUSE I, BECAUSE I ALSO WANTED SOME TIME TO LOOK THROUGH MR. NIETO. SOME OF THESE ARE, UM, WERE PRETTY DECENT QUESTIONS AND THINK, BUT I DON'T WANNA HOLD UP THE, THE PROCESS EITHER. SO, BUT I, I, UM, SO FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, I WAS, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE, SO WATER HEATER, I HAVE A WATER HEATER OUT, AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW BEFORE TODAY THAT WE REQUIRED PERMITS FOR, TO SWITCH OUT WATER HEATERS. SO I WONDER TOO, WHAT WOULD BE OUR PLAN? AND I THINK A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE FEES, SO DO WE HAVE A MARKETING PLAN FOR, FOR THIS? SO, SO THERE, I THINK THERE'S JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD HAVE AND CONCERNS WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE FEES ITSELF, BUT I'M OPEN TO WHAT MY, UH, COLLEAGUES HAVE ABOUT WHETHER WE JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM AND THEN REVISE THEM LATER. SO THERE'S PROGRESS. I'M OPEN TO THAT, BUT, UM, YEAH. OH, YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, THANK YOU FOR THE, UH, INPUT FROM MY COLLEAGUES, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEN ALSO OUR PUBLIC SPEAKER, MR. NIETO. I KNOW, UM, THIS INFORMATION IS, UM, UH, TOPIC THAT YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED ABOUT HOW TO BE MORE FISCALLY UH, RESPONSIBLE. RIGHT. UH, I THINK THIS IS VERY GOOD INFORMATION. UH, BUT I DO WANNA POINT TO, UM, THE COST OF SERVICE CALCULATION THAT WAS PRESENTED BY OUR SPEAKER. UM, IT'S ON SLIDE EIGHT. I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THE METHODOLOGY THAT WAS USED FOR ASSESSING THE COST OF SERVICES AND THEN THE MANY, UH, PAGES OF, UH, DETAIL TO SPECIFIC, VERY SPECIFIC COSTS AND WHAT THE COST OF SERVICE IS, AND THEN CONSEQUENTLY WHAT THE RECOVERY SHOULD BE. UM, I, I WAS PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ADOPTING THESE FEES. UM, LIKE I SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK FROM MY COLLEAGUES NOW IS, OKAY, WELL MAYBE, PERHAPS SOME FEES ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE. UM, AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ADJUST THEM AT SOME LATER POINT, BUT I THINK THE BOLUS OF THE INFORMATION WE HAVE BEFORE US IS SOUND AND JUSTIFIED. AND I AM, I AM INTERESTED IN, IN MOVING FORWARD, LIKE YOU SAID, VICE MAYOR, IT'S GOOD TO CONTINUE THE, THE, THE PROGRESS THAT WE'VE MADE SO FAR. I MEAN, NOW WE HAVE THE INFORMATION. I AM, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S LEGITIMATE INFORMATION AND I THINK IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROGRESS. SO, UH, MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD, ADOPT THE REPORT AND, UH, THE FEE SCHEDULE AS PROPOSED, UM, AND THEN REVISIT SOME OF THESE AS NEEDED A SECOND. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE DO HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. LET ME JUST ASK A CLARIFICATION QUESTION. SO IF THAT MOTION GOES FORWARD, UH, WHEN WOULD THESE FEES BECOME, NOW THESE ARE THE MAXIMUM FEES, BUT WHEN WOULD THEY, AS THEY ARE, WHEN WOULD THEY BECOME OFFICIAL? WHEN WOULD THEY BECOME, WE'RE TALKING TOMORROW, IS IT WAIT 30 DAYS BECAUSE IT'S [01:55:01] A RESOLUTION OR IT SAYS AUGUST THE SECOND. AUGUST, YEAH, IT SAYS AUGUST 4TH. YEAH, AUGUST, 2025 IS WHEN THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE. OKAY. RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE SOME TIME TO YEAH, WELL WE DO AND WE DON'T BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE DARK IN JULY, SO , UH, UM, SO YEAH, I WOULD, UH, UM, WHAT'S OUR FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST? UH, WHAT, I DUNNO WHAT THE DATE IS ON THAT ONE. AUGUST THAT DAY. AUGUST, YEAH. I THINK, UM, AGAIN, WE, WE CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND, UH, I, I AM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF MOVING FORWARD MM-HMM . UM, FROM, FROM THE STAFF STANDPOINT. UM, BUT I ALSO, UM, GET THAT THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TWO MONTHS REALLY, IF I DO MY MATH RIGHT. WE HAVE TWO MONTHS TO LOOK AT THIS. AND, UM, AND I THINK MEANWHILE WE'RE WORKING ON OTHER STUFF THAT'S FEE RELATED, THAT SECOND PHASE. UM, SO IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY THEN MAYBE COMING IN ON THE FOURTH. AND, UM, IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO PULL BACK ON, WE CAN DO THAT, UM, AND GO FROM THERE. OKAY. AND THAT DATE WAS WHAT? AUGUST, AUGUST 4TH ITSELF. SO THAT'S THE SAME DATE? YEAH. UH, YES. THAT'S A MONDAY. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE AUGUST 5TH. AUGUST 5TH. AUGUST 5TH. YEAH. WE CAN, WELL, WE CAN PUSH IT TO THE DAY AFTER YOUR MEETING. YEAH. AND WE'LL HAVE THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA ON THAT FOURTH, WHATEVER THE TUESDAY IS. OKAY. AND THEN THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK. WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE DO THAT AND BRING THIS, WE, IF THIS, IF THE MOTION PASSES AND THEN, BUT WE MAKE IT FOR WHAT, AUGUST 6TH? YEAH. WHATEVER THAT IS. AND THEN THAT WAY IT COULD BE ADDRESSED ON AUGUST 5TH OF TIME FOR EVERYONE TO LOOK THROUGH THESE THINGS AND TO SEE IF THERE ARE AREAS OF HEARTBURN OR WHATEVER ELSE AND OR THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, MIGHT CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS THAN DOES GOOD AND, UH, 'CAUSE WHAT, WHEREVER POSSIBLE, WE WANT AS MUCH FULL COST RECOVERY AS POSSIBLE. BUT AS I SAY, WE DON'T WANNA BE COUNTERINTUITIVE TO, TO WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, UH, TO HELP OUT THE COMMUNITY EITHER. THANK YOU, MS. MAYOR, THANK YOU TO, UH, FOR THE ROBUST DISCUSSION. I THINK WHEN WE TOUCH UPON THIS ISSUE, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND I I REALLY APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUES' WILLINGNESS TO FULLY DISCUSS IT. UM, WOULD THE MAKE OF THE MOTION, UM, UH, CONSIDER ASKING STAFF FOR A PARTICULAR, UM, COMING BACK WITH A PROGRAM FOR DISADVANTAGE OR DISABLED, UH, SENIORS? AND, AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS JUST TO CLARIFY. SO IN THE ANALYSIS, WE DO HAVE THE CURRENT FEE, FULL COST ANALYSIS AND THE SUGGESTED FEE PRICE. AND, UM, SO I'M THINKING OF INDIVIDUALS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH ARE IN EVERY BLOCK THAT ARE SENIORS ON FIXED INCOME, AND WE SEE THEIR PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN NEED OF REPAIR. AND, UM, SO TO ASK THEM TO PAY ADDITIONAL FEES, I THINK IS, IS UNWISE. AND I THINK IT WOULD DETER FROM ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IN THESE PROPERTIES. SO JUST TO LOOK AT SOME BASIC FEE STRUCTURES FOR AC UNIT, CURRENT PRICE IS $64. FULL COST IS 1 61 57, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF $93. ELECTRICAL PERMIT, 15 TO 20 AMP, FIRST 10 CIRCUITS CURRENT IS $42. FULL COST IS $209. THAT'S AN INCREASE OF 167 ROOF CURRENT 2 65, THAT'S FOR 500 SQUARE FEET. THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL COST FOR, UM, MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE. FULL COST IS 316, AN INCREASE OF $51. NEW WINDOWS, NON-STRUCTURAL CURRENT IS 3 78. COST IS 5 0 1 WITH AN INCREASE OF $123. SO I KNOW THESE ARE, UM, AMOUNTS THAT ONE COULD SAY THEY'RE NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT FOR US. RIGHT. BUT I THINK FOR INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE STRUGGLING TO MAKE ENDS MEET, AND I'M THINKING OF MANY PEOPLE AT THE MOMENT THAT I KNOW THAT ARE RETIRED, THAT ARE WIDOWS THAT LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT ARE MY NEIGHBORS THAT NEED ASSISTANCE FROM THE CITY. AND IT FEELS A LITTLE COUNTERINTUITIVE TO INCREASE THE PRICES FOR THEM, WHICH IS WHY I'M INTERESTED IN AT LEAST HAVING THE CITY, UM, DISCUSS A PROGRAM FOR, FOR, TO KEEP THE PRICES AS THEY ARE FOR THEM. SO, SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MY COLLEAGUES WOULD BE INTERESTED IN AT LEAST DISCUSSING, DISCUSSING IN A FUTURE MEETING? WELL, I, I THINK THAT'S A WHOLE NEW PROGRAM THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PUT TOGETHER AND TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT, HOW, HOW IT WOULD WORK. UH, I MEAN, I'VE EVEN SEEN ON SOME DEALS WHERE THEY HAVE PROGRAMS SIMILAR TO THAT WHERE THE AMOUNT, UH, IF YOU HAVE LIKE SENIORS [02:00:01] AND AS I SAY, THING ON THAT LINE AND THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE HOMEOWNERS. AND SO, UH, THAT IT ACTUALLY GOES AS A, LIKE WHAT WE USED TO DO WITH THE, UH, UH, THE LOANS THAT WE WOULD DO, THAT GOES, IT GOES TO WHENEVER THE PRO THE PROPERTY IS SOLD, THAT YOU GET THE MONEY BACK AT THAT POINT. I MEAN, SO I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT SO THAT THE EXTRA EXPENSE ISN'T, ISN'T UPFRONT FOR 'EM. BUT THAT WOULD BE A PROGRAM THAT WE COULD LOOK AT. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER ADVENTURE. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE A FEE DEFERRAL PROGRAM. THOSE ARE, THOSE HAPPEN FOR SURE. MM-HMM . BUT YEAH, I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD BE, BE, BE AGAINST LOOKING, LOOKING AT SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE. SO YOU STILL GET COST RECOVERY, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT WOULD BE DELAYED. I, I UNDERSTAND THE WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEFORE US AT THE MOMENT, RIGHT? YEAH. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M INTERESTED IN PURSUING, BUT IF MY COLLEAGUES, YOU KNOW, ARE NOT OKAY WITH THAT, THEN THAT'S OKAY WITH, I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING. AND I KNOW I, WE TALKED TO THE, THE CITY MANAGER, UM, ABOUT, UH, AND, AND NOW THIS IS FOR COMMUNITY SERVICE FEES, BUT THOSE WHO, WHO CAN'T PAY, HAVING, UM, HAVING A PROGRAM OR HAVE HAVING THE ABILITY, I, I WOULD CAUTION AGAINST SELECTING A CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP IN TERMS OF SENIORS, UM, BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ARGUMENTS, BUT I THINK YOU'RE BEING OPEN TO JUST SAYING DISADVANTAGE OR JUST LOW INCOME PERIOD. SO I, I, I WOULDN'T WANT STAFF TO CREATE A WHOLE NEW PROGRAM. I WOULD JUST WANT STAFF TO GIVE US SOME OPTIONS OF WHAT WE CAN LEGALLY DO WITHIN THE PARAMETERS AND WHAT OTHERS CITIES FOR ME, I, I'D BE OPEN TO THAT. YEAH. I, I JUST THINK ASKING, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, , WE'VE GOT STAFF THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ON THE SWAMP SIDE, AND SO TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A WHOLE NEW PROGRAM, I THINK I MIGHT BE DIFFICULT IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY, YEAH. I DON'T WANNA HOLD, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE. YEAH. WHICH IS WHY I, I, I JUST REQUEST FOR SOME ANALYSIS IN THE FUTURE TO COME UP. I'M NOT ASKING FOR A PARTICULAR NEW PROGRAM, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO I THINK THE ONE, THE ONE CHANGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR ON THE MOTION WAS THAT THESE WOULD NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL AFTER THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST. RIGHT. SO, UH, THE RESOLUTION WOULD NEED TO BE MODIFIED TO SHOW THAT THE FEE SCHEDULE WILL COME BECOME EFFECTIVE ON AUGUST 6TH. HOWEVER, IF YOU DO MAKE CHANGES, WHATEVER CHANGES CAN'T GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL ANOTHER 60 DAYS. MM-HMM . THAT'S FINE. ALRIGHT. OKAY. MARY, IS THAT, I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THAT TRUE IF IT CHANGES LESS OR DOES IT'S ANY CHANGE? IT'S ANY INTERCHANGE. OKAY. YEAH. BUT IT WOULD JUST BE FOR THE FEES THAT WERE CHANGED, CHANGED, CORRECT. JUST THE ONES THAT WERE CHANGED. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. UH, IF EVERYONE CAN GO WITH THAT AND THEN SAY, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT KIND OF OPTIONS WE CAN FOR OTHER, OTHER TYPE PLANS TO GO ALONG WITH THIS, REALIZING, YEAH. SOME OF THESE FEES COULD BE VERY ONEROUS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, THE PERSON WHO'S DOING A FLIPPING ON A HOUSE, IT MAY NOT BE THAT ONEROUS, BUT UH, UH, SOME PEOPLE LIVING IN THERE ON FIXED INCOMES, THAT MIGHT BE RIGHT. RIGHT. NO, THAT'S, I I THINK THAT'S THE POINT. I'M BRINGING THIS UP. SURE. RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE DIFFERENT INTENT AND IF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT INVEST IN REAL ESTATE, THEIR POINT IS JUST TO MAKE MONEY. WHEREAS INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE LIVING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME MM-HMM . JUST NEED A LITTLE ASSISTANCE TO FIX THEIR PROPERTY. OKAY. YEAH. AND IF WE KNOW ANY OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS, YOU MIGHT SUGGEST THAT THEY, UH, , UH, IF THEY WANTED SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS MIGHT BE A GREAT TIME TO DO IT. . YEAH. IT JUST , YOU KNOW, I SEE HEADS NODDING, BUT IT'D BE GOOD JUST FOR YOU TO GIVE US THAT DIRECTION. SURE. OKAY. SO, UM, SO DO YOU NEED A SEPARATE MOTION FOR THAT OR NOT SEPARATELY, YOU KNOW, YEAH. ON BOARD, EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, UH, HAVE A, DOES EVERYONE HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE IDEA OF STAFF? JUST BRINGING BACK OPTIONS ALSO AND, UH, ON, ON THINGS THAT CAN'T HAPPEN. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCIL MEMBER, YAMANI, PLEASE LOG YOUR SECOND. THANK YOU. AND, UH, JUST TO CONFIRM, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA, YOU DO ACCEPT THAT, UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? YES. OKAY. AND CHANGE WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR MOTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE'RE CHANGING THE DATE FROM OCTOBER THE FOURTH TO OCTOBER THE SIXTH, OR AUGUST, I'M SORRY, AUGUST, YES. AUGUST 4TH TO AUGUST. AND TO INCLUDE COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ INFORMATION AS WELL. YEAH. YES. BRING BACK. THANK YOU. POSSIBLE IDEAS. OKAY. UH, SEEING ANYTHING ELSE? WE ALREADY CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'RE READY TO GO WITH THIS THING. UH, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. ALRIGHT, [9.2 Public Hearing: First Reading and Introduction of an Ordinance Amending Title 6 (Business and Franchise Taxes) adding Chapter 6.30 (Short-Term Rentals).] NEXT WE GO ON THE 9.2. UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. FIRST READING AN INTRODUCTION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE SIX BUSINESS AND FRANCHISE TAXES, ADDING, UH, CHAPTER 6.30, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL [02:05:01] AND, UH, OH, GOTTA GET THE CLICKER RIGHT THERE. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF, UH, THE PUBLIC, MARTIN REEDER, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT HERE TO TALK ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS. AGAIN, UH, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS, UH, STEMMING FROM A 1 0 5 REQUEST FROM LAST YEAR. WE CAME TO THE COUNCIL WITH A STAFF REPORT IN DECEMBER. WE CAME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR FOR DIRECTION. UH, OBVIOUSLY MOST OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HAD IN DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN TO DO WITH PUBLIC NUISANCE IMPACT ON NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALSO, UH, POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AS WELL AS A LOSS OF TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX OR TOT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY 10% OF THE ROOMMATE ROOM RATE HERE IN THE CITY. SO WE HAVE PROVIDED FOR YOU A DRAFT ORDINANCE AND A DRAFT CODE SECTION THAT WOULD BE PART OF CHAPTER SIX, WHICH IS, UH, BUSINESS AND FRANCHISE TAXES THAT WE PUT IT IN THAT SECTION. 'CAUSE THAT WAS SIMILAR TO WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE. AND ALSO RESIDENTIAL RENTALS ARE IN THAT SECTION ALREADY. SO THIS IS KIND OF A RECAP OF WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN BEFORE. SO WE DO NOT ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS CURRENTLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A PERMISSIVE LAND USE CODE THAT DOES, UH, OR A PERMISSIVE MUNICIPAL CODE RATHER. THERE DOES NOT, UH, TALK ABOUT THAT. UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE LACK OF REGULATION, WHICH RESULTS IN MISSED REVENUE AND WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN CONTACT OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS WITH THIRD PARTY VENDORS THAT ARE, UH, EXCELLENT AT PROVIDING DATA ANALYSIS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT ARE EXISTING SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ENFORCE AND COLLECT, UH, IN THE FUTURE SHOULD THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDE TO, UM, ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE ULTIMATELY. SO WE HAVE LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES. AS I MENTIONED IN MY STAFF REPORT, NINE CITIES OF THE, OF THE, UH, 18 JURISDICTIONS HERE, OR THE 19 JURISDICTIONS IN THE COUNTY HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCES. ANOTHER SIX DON'T HAVE ORDINANCES, BUT DO ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND THERE ARE FOUR CITIES, INCLUDING A NATIONAL CITY THAT CURRENTLY DO NOT. SO WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT MITIGATING COMMON COMPLAINTS, SO THOSE BEING NOISE, UH, PARTIES, PARKING ISSUES AND SO FORTH, UH, IN, UH, THAT ARE IMPACTING EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. AND, UH, THIS IS A, A CONSIDERATION THAT WE LOOKED AT THE LAST TIME. SO SOME OF THE IMPACTS OR SOME OF THE, UH, DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL WAS HAVING A VENDOR MANAGED PROGRAM TO AVOID STAFF HAVING TO TAKE ON TOO MUCH OF THAT BURDEN AND TO MAKE THAT PROGRAM PAY FOR ITSELF, OBVIOUSLY, TO GET TOT AND AND LICENSE FEES TO, TO AUGMENT THE GENERAL PLAN. WE TALKED ABOUT ZONING CONSIDERATIONS AS FAR AS WHERE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE LOCATED. COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WHICH HAS BEEN CONTINUAL. AND THEN WE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE TIMELINE ENDING IN TODAY. SO AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE A NEW, A NEW, UH, SECTION OF CHAPTER SIX, 6.3 BUSINESS AND FRANCHISE TAXES. WE TALK ABOUT IN THE ORDINANCE, THE ELIGIBILITY. A PERSON WISHING TO HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL HAS TO HAVE A PRIMARY RESIDENCE HERE IN THE CITY, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, WE HAVE BASED THIS ON CHULA VISTA AND THE CITY OF VISTA AS WELL. WE ARE CURRENTLY SUGGESTING THAT NO ADUS OR OF COURSE, AFFORDABLE RESTRICTED UNITS BE USED FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE OR TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY. WE HAVE CURRENTLY A LIMIT OF ONE NON-PRIMARY RESIDENCE AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN A, A HOSTED ONE WHERE SOMEONE LIVES AT THE, THE, UH, THAT LIVES IN A, IN THEIR RESIDENCE IN THE CITY AND RENTS OUT PART OF IT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. THE REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT ANYONE THAT OPERATES A SHORT TERM RENTAL WILL, OF COURSE, NEED A BUSINESS LICENSE AS WELL AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMIT, WHICH WILL BE PRODUCED. SHOULD THIS BE ADOPTED. THERE IS NO CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP PROVISION. SO IF THE HOME IS SOLD OR THE RESIDENCE IS SOLD, THE UH, NEW OWNER WOULD HAVE TO GET THEIR OWN SHORT-TERM RENTAL LICENSE. AND OF COURSE, THERE IS THE PROVISION FOR COLLECTION OF TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX. THESE ARE SOME OF THE KEY POINTS. OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A, IT'S A FAIRLY LENGTHY ORDINANCE, ALTHOUGH IT'S, UH, FAIRLY COMPACT AND ROBUST AS FAR AS WE'VE, WE'VE DESIGNED IT. SO MOST OF THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN ABOUT OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS. SO SHORT TERM RENTALS WOULD ONLY BE PERMITTED AND ZONES ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USES ZONES OR SPECIFIC PLANS. SO ANYWHERE THAT ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL USE CAN BE USED FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UNLESS WE CHANGE THAT. OF COURSE, DEFINITELY COMPLIANCE WITH ALL LOCAL LAWS, NOISE ORDINANCES, ET CETERA, INCLUDING, UH, IF SOMEBODY HAS A CONDO, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEY HAVE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, [02:10:01] THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL MUST ALSO COMPLY WITH ALL, ALL OF THOSE, UH, LOCAL REGULATIONS AS WELL. THIS DOES NOT, THE CITY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO LET SOMEONE DO SOMETHING THAT THEIR HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION WOULDN'T OTHERWISE ALLOW. DEFINITELY NO PUBLIC NUISANCE, WHICH INCLUDES QUIET TIMES. THERE IS A LIMITATION OF, IN AS FAR AS OCCUPANCY OF TWO PEOPLE PER BEDROOM, PLUS ONE PERSON. THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD FOR MOST OF THE ORDINANCES THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT. THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL OPERATOR TO HAVE A RENTAL AGREEMENT WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL SHORT TERM RENTAL TENANT. THERE IS THE RIGHT FOR CITY, THE CITY TO, TO DO INSPECTIONS AT ANY TIME THAT THERE IS A COMPLAINT, NO SPECIAL EVENTS OR WEDDINGS, PARTIES, THAT SORT OF THING WOULD BE PERMITTED. THERE IS, UH, A SPECIFIC QUIET TIME, WHICH IS 10 NIGHT TO NINE IN THE MORNING FOR, UH, UNHOSTED RENTAL, SHORT TERM RENTALS. THERE'S A MINIMUM OF A TWO NIGHT STAY AS WELL TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST GETTING ONE NIGHT, ONE, YOU KNOW, PARTY TYPE SITUATIONS OR SHORT TERM SITUATIONS. THERE DEFINITELY HAS TO BE A CONTACT 24 HOURS A DAY IN THE CITY THAT'S ABLE TO RESPOND QUICKLY TO A COMPLAINT AND TO BE ON SITE IF NEEDED. THERE IS ALSO THE REQUIREMENT FOR A GOOD NEIGHBOR HANDOUT AND A GOOD NEIGHBOR LETTER. THE GOOD NEIGHBOR LETTER IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED OF A SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMIT. E ONCE THEY GET THEIR PERMIT FROM THE CITY WITHIN 30 DAYS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAIL THEIR NEIGHBORS TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND TO REACH OUT WITH QUESTIONS. AND A CONTACT NUMBER. AND A GOOD NEIGHBOR HANDOUT WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BE POSTED ON SITE TO ENSURE THAT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TENANT COMPLIED WITH THE RULES. IN CHAPTER SIX 30 AS WELL AS LOCAL REGULATIONS, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT SECTION RELATED TO VIOLATIONS AND FINES AND THE ABILITY TO PULL A PERMIT IF NEEDED. SO FOR THE FIRST, UH, COMPLAINT, THE FOUND COMPLAINT, THERE WOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE CITATION THAT COULD BE UP TO $500 FOR THE SECOND, UH, VIOLATION WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF THE FIRST IT WOULD BE A THOUSAND DOLLARS, AND THEN 1500 IF THERE'S A THIRD WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF THE PREVIOUS ONE. SO THERE IS A SECTION THAT SAYS IF YOU HAVE THREE CITATIONS WITHIN 12 MONTHS, YOU WILL LOSE YOUR LICENSE. YOU CAN ALSO LOSE YOUR LICENSE IF YOU FAIL TO MAINTAIN A BUSINESS LICENSE OR IF YOU GET ANY, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLAINTS THAT ARE FOUNDED OR INSPECTIONS. AND IF A SHORT-TERM RENTAL LOSES ITS APPLICATION OR LOSES ITS PERMIT, IT CANNOT REAPPLY FOR ANOTHER 12 MONTHS. SO THAT'S A A ACTUALLY, IT'S FAIRLY DETAILED, BUT THAT'S AN OVERVIEW OF MOST OF THE KEY POINTS, A LOT OF WHICH WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC HEARINGS AND, AND, UH, PUBLIC DISCUSSION. SO, UH, WE ARE INVITING STAFF IS INVITING A DISCUSSION ON THESE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES AT WHICH TO BE MADE, ANY ADDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE. BUT GENERALLY WE HAVE, WE'RE ASKING FOR INPUT TONIGHT, AND IF THE COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH AN INTRODUCTION, ASSUMING THERE AREN'T ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES, OR WE CAN OF COURSE COME BACK WITH A ANOTHER READING. AND THEN IF IT WAS INTRODUCED TONIGHT, WE COULD COME BACK AS EARLY AS JUNE 16TH FOR, UH, ADOPTION OF THAT ORDINANCE. AGAIN, WE HAVE ALREADY EVALUATED VENDOR PROPOSALS. THOSE HAVE BEEN ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO $15,000 ANNUALLY. AND THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT SERVICES ARE PROVIDED BY THOSE VENDORS. 'CAUSE IT DOES VARY SIGNIFICANTLY. BUT WE WILL DO THAT RESEARCH SHOULD WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS. AND THEN, UH, ASSUMING EVERYTHING MOVES FORWARD AS WE'RE EXPECTING, OR AT LEAST IN THIS TIMELINE, WE WOULD HOPE TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT A SHORT TERM RENTAL PROGRAM THIS SUMMER, UH, POTENTIALLY AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER, DEPENDING ON, ON, WHEN EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH. SO THAT DOES CONCLUDE STAFF'S REPORT. I'M WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OR FROM THE PUBLIC. QUICK QUESTION. UH, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT IF THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A FIRST COMPLAINT, SECOND COMPLAINT, THREE COMPLAINTS WITHIN A YEAR, THEY CAN LOSE THEIR LICENSE. IS, IS THERE ANY DEFINITION ON COMPLAINT AS FAR AS THAT IT'S A VERIFIED COMPLAINT AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT OTHERWISE YOU COULD HAVE A NEIGHBOR WHO JUST SAYS, I DON'T WANT STRANGERS, YOU KNOW, IN AND OUTTA THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, AND THEY JUST START CALLING COMPLAINING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, BUT THERE'S NOTHING REALLY WRONG, PLEASE GO OUT THERE AND THERE'S NOTHING ACTUALLY GOING ON. AND YOU CAN LITERALLY ABUSE THE COMPLAINT PROCESS JUST SO YOU CAN CONTROL YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. UH, SURE, I'M SURE THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THE, THE ABILITY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. I MEAN, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MAY BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO HOW THEY COMPLAIN OR HOW THEY RESPOND TO NOISE ORDINANCE ISSUES NOW IN THAT REGARD. BUT THERE ARE SPECIFIC OPERATING REQUIREMENTS AND RULES AND REGULATIONS IN THIS SECTION, AND WE'RE REFERRING TO THOSE, UH, VIOLATIONS OF THOSE REGULATIONS AS WE WOULD BE ABLE TO VERIFY THROUGH AN INSPECTION OR, OR APPROPRIATE EVIDENCE. SO EITHER POLICE OR CODE ENFORCEMENT OR WHATEVER WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY THE SUBSTANTIATION OF THAT COMPLAINT FOR IT [02:15:01] TO COUNT AGAINST THAT PROPERTY OWNER. YES, THAT'S OUR ASSUMPTION. YES. OKAY. I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T, DON'T ABUSE, ABUSE THAT SYSTEM EITHER THE OTHER DIRECTION. UM, OKAY. UM, MEMBER MOLINA, THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. READER. UM, I HAVE A FEW, I HAVE A LOT TO SAY ON THIS TOPIC, BUT, UM, TO BEGIN WITH, I KNOW THIS IS JUST CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS. UM, I WANTED TO ASK, IS THERE A, UH, NUMBER OF LICENSES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED GIVE BY THIS FIRST READING OF THIS ORDINANCE IN, IN THERE? UH, WE DON'T HAVE A LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF, OF LICENSES, UH, CURRENTLY. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. WE KNOW THROUGH RESEARCH THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF HUNDRED, AT LEAST SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT ARE BEING ADVERTISED ON, UH, VACATION RENTAL BY OWNER OR AIRBNB ALREADY. THAT DEPENDS ON THE TIME OF YEAR, OF COURSE. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED A HUNDRED TO 200 EACH TIME WE LOOK AND THE AMOUNT VARIES EACH TIME, BUT CURRENTLY THERE'S NO LIMITATION. UM, IS THE, ARE THE TERMS IN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW, DO THEY DETAIL, UH, A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DAYS ANNUALLY THAT A HOST MAY RENT OUT THEIR PROPERTY? IT'S TWO TO 30 DAYS. OH, I'M SORRY. FOR THE TOTAL AMOUNT IT, NO, WE DON'T HAVE THAT CURRENTLY. OKAY. THAT HAS, SOME CITIES HAVE THAT, SOME DO NOT. VISTA DID NOT. CHULA VISTA DID. BUT, UH, MOST OF THAT IS YOU'LL SEE IN THE BEACH CITIES. BUT YEAH. UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE DETAIL THAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT A GOOD NEIGHBOR LETTER. UM, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PRODUCED AFTER A LICENSE IS, UM, IS GIVEN TO A HOST. UM, IS THERE ANY DETAIL AS FAR AS NOTICING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, PRIOR TO A LICENSE BEING ISSUED, UH, THAT A POTENTIAL HOST IS SEEKING A LICENSE? UH, WE CAN, WE CAN INCLUDE THAT, BUT CURRENTLY IT'S JUST A GOOD NEIGHBOR LETTER AT THE TIME OF, OF, UH, ISSUANCE OF THE PERMIT. OKAY. AND THEN MY, MY LAST QUESTION, UM, FOR THE VENDOR OPERATOR, UH, IS PART OF THE SCOPE FOR THE VENDOR OPERATOR THAT IS GOING TO MANAGE THIS PROGRAM FOR US? 'CAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE MANAGED BY THE CITY DIRECTLY. UM, IT IS PART OF THEIR TASK TO, UM, REVIEW SITES WHERE SHORT-TERM VACATION RENTALS ARE POSTED AND THEN GO BACK AND ENSURE THAT THOSE SITES ARE LICENSED. YES, AS PART OF, UH, I THINK AT LEAST TWO OF THE THREE THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT DO HAVE THAT, UH, THAT OPTION AVAILABLE, WHICH WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE INTERESTED IN TO CONTACT THOSE ADVERTISED SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND ENSURE COMPLIANCE OR ASK THEM TO CEASE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, THOUGH, THAT'S IT FOR MY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. I HAVE MANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT I'LL HOLD UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR STAFF FOR WORKING ON THIS ISSUE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THANK YOU FOR COMMUNITY, UH, BEING WILLING TO HAVE A, A LOT OF FOLLOW UP MEETINGS AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS. I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THE PROPOSAL. UH, PROHIBITING A DU USAGE FOR, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES. IS THAT, UH, STATE LAW OR IS THIS THE CURRENT PROPOSAL THAT WAS USED? WE USED, UH, AGAIN, WE WENT TO, UH, WE LOOKED AT MOSTLY VISTA AND CHULA VISTA AS EXAMPLES AS HAVING BEEN RECOGNIZED AS SUCCESSFUL ORDINANCES. AND THAT CAME FROM, I BELIEVE, THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA. AND IT WAS ALSO, THERE'S ALSO SOMEWHAT OF AN ASSUMPTION THERE, GIVEN THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND OBVIOUSLY IF YOU HAVE A FULL-TIME SHORT-TERM RENTAL THAT'S TAKING AWAY FROM THE ABILITY TO PEOPLE TO RENT AN A DU. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, THIS IS ALL UP FOR DISCUSSION. YEAH. THANK YOU. UM, AND UNDER THE PROPOSAL, HOW MUCH WOULD THE PERMIT FEE BE? I DON'T BELIEVE I SAW IT IN THERE. WE DON'T HAVE A PERMIT FEE YET. WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED A PERMIT PROGRAM. WE HAVE THE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS AND OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS IN THIS ORDINANCE, WHICH WOULD BE USED TO CREATE THE APPLICATION FORM AND THE, UH, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH THAT FEE WAS GONNA BE, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE STAFF TIME WAS GONNA BE. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE A VENDOR DO MOST OF THE WORK, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HDL, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IS A COMPANY THAT CURRENTLY DOES OUR BUSINESS LICENSE REVIEW. UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WORK OUT WITH THEM. AND WHICH CITY DEPARTMENT WOULD THE PARTICULAR OVERSIGHT OF THE PROGRAM BE UNDER? IT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE, WELL, IT WOULD BE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, EITHER NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES OR PLANNING. OKAY. AND, UM, SO WHAT HAPPENS IN THE CASE WHERE NEIGHBORS, UH, CLAIM OR, OR IDENTIFY THAT THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS, UH, MOVING IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY AND IT'S BEING CLEARLY USED AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, PROPERTY, BUT THE PROPERTY'S NOT REGISTERED ITSELF. AND THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE CODE SO THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT OR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES [02:20:01] WOULD, WOULD, UH, TAKE CARE OF THAT ON A COMPLAINT BASE BASIS. AND, AND WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES IN THAT CASE OR THE PROPERTY OWNER? WELL, THAT WOULD BE, UM, I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT, BUT IT WOULD BE AT LEAST BE THE ADMINISTRATIVE CITATION FOR A, A LAND USE THAT'S NOT PERMITTED. I MEAN, IN TYPICAL CASES FOR A USE THAT'S NOT PERMITABLE AND ISSUE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION WITH, UH, ASKING THEM TO CORRECT WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. AND IF THAT'S NOT COMPLIED WITH, THEN THERE'S A CITATION THAT'S ISSUED. OKAY. AND THE CITATIONS ARE THE SAME ONES THAT WERE UP THERE? 500, UM, 1,015 HUNDRED. THE ADMINISTRATIVE CITATION COSTS, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW MUCH THE GENERAL CITATION COSTS ARE. I CAN CERTAINLY FIND THAT OUT FOR THE NEXT MEETING. BUT, UH, IF THAT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT, BUT ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS, FIRST OFFENSE, I BELIEVE CAN BE UP TO $500. OKAY. AND, AND LAST QUESTION. UM, WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE, UM, UH, MA THE VENDORS THAT MANAGE THESE PARTICULAR PROGRAMS? I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE VENDORS THAT DO THIS TYPE OF WORK, UH, REGIONALLY, STATEWIDE, NATIONWIDE. WHAT'S THE ROLE THAT THEY PLAY? WELL, THERE ARE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT THEY OFFER. UH, PRIMARILY THEY'RE GOING TO BE FINDING OUT WHO'S THERE, WHO'S OPERATING, WHO ENSURE COMPLIANCE. SO CONTACT THEM TO ENSURE THAT THEY KNOW WHAT, UH, THAT THE CITY HAS ADOPTED THIS ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE, WE HAVE A PERMIT REQUIREMENT AS OF WHATEVER THE DATE HAPPENS TO BE. AND THEN, UH, FOLLOW UP WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY GAIN COMPLIANCE OR, OR CEASE. AND THEY CAN, THEY WOULD REFER THOSE COMPLAINTS IF THEY, IF THEY DON'T CEASE ANDIS TO THE CITY TO TAKE CARE OF. BUT THEN THEY WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE THE CONTACT FOR THE PERMIT PROGRAM. SO IF SOMEBODY PICKS UP A FLYER DOWN AT THE FINANCE OR PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT SAYS, CALL THIS NUMBER TO GET A PERMIT, WE WOULD, THEY WOULD DO SO. AND, UH, THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS WITH THAT, THAT VENDOR. AND THE VENDOR WOULD OBVIOUSLY TAKE A CUT OF THAT PERMIT FEE TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY GETTING PAID. OKAY. BUT WE WOULD BE MAKING, UH, WE WOULD BE GETTING INCOME THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS. AND ANY ASSOCIATED VIOLATIONS SHOULD THEY BE HAPPENING? DO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CREATE A, A, UH, ONLINE DATABASE WHERE THEY COULD SEE AND IDENTIFY WHERE THESE PROPERTIES ARE IN THE CITY? YES. AND THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE OWNER OF THE PERMIT ITSELF, WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THAT INFORMATION. THEY WOULD PROVIDE US WITH THE DATABASE OF ADDRESSES, AND WE HAVE THE, THE ABILITY TO DETERMINE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT CASE. YES. GREAT. NOW I THINK TRANSPARENCY IS KEY AND, UH, ACCOUNTABILITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY IS CRITICAL. SO, THANK YOU. WELCOME. THERE'S NOT MANY MORE PEOPLE OUT HERE. UM, ANYWAY, WHAT, WHAT DON'T TELL YOU IS I DON'T THINK WE STILL, WHERE'S THE DISCUSSION GOING WITH THIS? YOU KNOW, I STILL THINK WE'RE HAVING AIRBNB OR HOTELS. I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST LIKE WHOLE HILLS. AND WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING TWO HOTELS FROM THE OTHER SIDE, AND WE'RE BEING, WE'RE ALREADY, UM, VOTING ON COMPETITION WITH THE HOTELS THAT WE, THAT WE'RE GONNA BE BUILDING. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SORT OF THINKING, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THIS? YOU KNOW, AND WHERE'S THE UNDERLYING CAUSE FOR THIS? YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN THROWN OUT WAS PROSTITUTION. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, THEY SAID THAT THEY HAVE WITH 200, 200 UNITS. HOW MANY OF THOSE UNITS ACTUALLY HAVE PROBLEMS? WHERE'S THE DATA BEHIND THIS? YOU KNOW, UM, I, I DON'T, I'M NOT HEARING THAT IN THIS INITIATIVE. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REFERRING TO BUSINESSES AND IN THE CRACKDOWN, YOU'RE PUSHING SHORT TERM RENTALS AS A SOLUTION. I THINK THERE'S A BIGGER PROBLEM THAT WE WE'RE NOT FACING WITH THIS. THE PROS, PROSTITUTION IN THE CITY, AND THAT WAS THE UNDERLYING REASON FOR THIS WHOLE INITIATIVE. BUT NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S BEING SWITCHED. I'M, I'M HAVING REALLY HAVING A HARD TIME FOLLOWING YOU. I DON'T BELIEVE, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON ZOOM ON THIS ONE? NO, WE DO NOT. OKAY. IN THAT CASE, MOTION TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THERE IT GOES. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, SO NOW WE CAN GO INTO DISCUSSION AND EVERYTHING. UH, MEMBER MOLINA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE MR. NIETOS, UH, COMMENT JUST NOW, BECAUSE I DO FEEL THAT THIS ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED RIGHT NOW IS, UM, LACKING IN A LOT OF DETAIL AND [02:25:01] ALSO THE BACKUP DATA THAT WOULD HELP HAVE A, UM, YOU KNOW, GREATER OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE NEED, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE? SO, UH, I I AM CONCERNED THAT, UM, IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE RUSHING INTO AN ORDINANCE AND GIVEN THE ISSUES THAT WE HEAR OF, UH, FROM OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE PUT AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT HAS NOW HAD, YOU KNOW, HAS HAD PROBLEMS OR TROUBLE, AND NOW, UH, THEY ARE TRYING TO UNDO PIECES OF IT AND REDO PIECES OF IT. I DON'T FIND THAT WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IS APPROPRIATE ENOUGH FOR US TO BEGIN THE ADOPTION. YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS FIRST READING AND THEN COMING BACK SECOND READING, I ACTUALLY WANT TO PROPOSE QUITE A FEW CHANGES TO, UH, THE SUGGESTED DRAFT. UH, ALSO I AM A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT, UH, MANY OF THE POINTS THAT I MADE WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION AT THE LAST, UM, YOU KNOW, DURING THE LAST ITERATION OF THIS TOPIC, UM, IT DON'T APPEAR TO BE, UH, HAVE BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE IDEA THAT WE ARE NOW, UH, INVITING SHORT-TERM VACATION RENTALS, UM, BUT NOT CONSIDERING THE EFFECT THAT IT WILL HAVE IN THE LONG-TERM RENTALS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY NO LONGER BE AVAILABLE FOR FAMILIES. THIS IS A, A CITY WHERE A MAJORITY OF FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THEIR HOMES ARE RENTING THEIR HOMES. NOW, IF WE ARE GOING TO BE SWITCHING THAT OR, OR, UH, MAKING IT POSSIBLE FOR WHO KNOWS HOW MANY OF THESE HOMES TO NOW CONVERT TO SHORT-TERM VACATION RENTALS WILL HAVE AN EFFECT ON FAMILIES THAT CAN RENT TO LIVE IN THIS CITY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND LIVE A LIFE. SO, UM, IT, I I FIND THAT, UM, THOSE TOPICS REMAIN TOP OF MIND FOR ME. AND THIS ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN IS NOT APPROPRIATE. SO LET ME GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE DETAILS. UH, FOR ONE, THE, UM, LET ME, LET ME BACK UP. SO, UH, I WENT THROUGH AN ORDINANCE THAT I THOUGHT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE PASSABLE, I WOULD SAY. AND IT IS THE ORDINANCE FROM THE CITY OF BERKELEY, THE BERKELEY MUNICIPAL CODE. THIS IS CHAPTER 23.314. AND I'LL JUST, UH, I HIGHLIGHTED A FEW OF THE THINGS ON HERE TO SORT OF GIVE AN IDEA TO OUR STAFF AND OUR CITY MANAGER THE TYPE OF ORDINANCE THAT I WAS EXPECTING TO SEE. UH, THIS WOULD, UM, UH, ILLUMINATE A PURPOSE FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND WHAT I WANT THAT PURPOSE TO BE IS PREVENT LONG-TERM RENTAL UNITS FROM BEING REPLACED WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND PROTECT AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS FROM CONVERSION, UH, PRESERVE AND PROTECT NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER AND LIVABILITY FROM NUISANCES THAT ARE OFTEN ASSOCIATED WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I AM ALSO INTERESTED IN A VERY SPECIFIC PROVISION THAT WOULD PREVENT NO FAULT EVICTIONS FROM OCCURRING UNDULY. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS A PROPERTY THAT IS CONTAINING A UNIT WITH A NO-FAULT EVICTION THAT HAPPENED, HAPPENED CURRENTLY, UH, THAT HAPPENED RECENTLY, UM, SHALL NOT BE, UH, ALLOWED TO OPERATE A SHORT TERM RENTAL FOR FIVE YEARS FROM THE DATE OF THAT EVICTION. WHAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT HERE IS, UM, LANDLORDS OR, OR HOSTS WHO HAVE A HOME THAT IS CURRENTLY, UH, OCCUPIED BY A FAMILY TO BOOT THAT FAMILY OUT BECAUSE THEY PLAN TO NOW TURN THIS INTO A BUSINESS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THEIR BENEFIT, BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT FAMILY? THEY LOSE THEIR HOME. I DON'T THINK THAT IS APPROPRIATE. SO WE NEED TO PROTECT AGAINST THAT. UM, PROOF OF HOST RESIDENCY. I DIDN'T SEE A LOT OF DETAIL ABOUT A HOST RESIDENCY, BUT I STILL WANT TO INSIST ON PUTTING THE BURDEN ON THE FOLKS THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE A PROFIT VIA THIS BUSINESS MODEL. PUT THE BURDEN ON THEM TO BE RESPONSIBLE WHEN THEY ARE RENTING THEIR PROPERTY TO OTHER INDIVIDUALS, UH, VIA THIS SHORT TERM RENTAL THING. UM, I'M INTERESTED IN AN ALLOWED DURATION AND REQUIRED RESIDENCY TIMEFRAMES. SO, UH, WHEN A HOST IS PRESENT AT THE PROPERTY THAT THEY ARE, UH, RENTING OUT, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL MAY BE ALLOWED FOR AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF DAYS DURING THE CALENDAR YEAR. THAT WOULD BE FINE. THE HOST IS PRESENT. WE CAN ASSUME THAT THE HOST WILL TAKE, UM, SOME SPECIAL CARE OR SOME EXTRA CARE, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THEIR, UH, THE, THE PEOPLE VISITING THEIR HOMES ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, NOT DOING ANYTHING CRAZY WHEN THE HOST IS NOT PRESENT IN THE HOME. THE UNIT [02:30:01] MAY BE USED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL FOR NO MORE THAN 90 DAYS PER CALENDAR YEAR. AGAIN, THIS PROTECTS AGAINST THE CHANGE FROM HAVING FAMILIES BOOTED FROM RENTING THEIR HOMES, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN, SO THAT A, A OWNER CAN PROFIT OFF OF A SHORT TERM VACATION RENTAL, UH, YEAR ROUND, RIGHT, WITH NO, UH, NO LIMIT. SO, UM, AND THEN THE LAST POINT I MADE WAS ABOUT, UM, NOTICING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THIS IS HAPPENING IN THEIR NEIGHBOR, UH, IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THAT FOLKS ARE AWARE. AGAIN, UH, IT IS STRANGE TO SORT OF THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME AND GO IN THIS, YOU KNOW, IN MY NEIGHBOR'S HOME. I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THEY ARE. I THINK IT IS VERY NECESSARY. AND THE, THE GOOD NEIGHBOR LETTER THAT YOU DETAILED, MARTIN, IS APPROPRIATE. UM, I DO JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT I WOULD LIKE THAT NOTICING TO HAPPEN AHEAD OF A LICENSE BEING ISSUED, BECAUSE I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE INPUT, UM, ON WHAT HAPPENS IN THEIR NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND SO JUST REAL QUICK, UH, A HOST SHALL NOTIFY RESIDENTS OF ALL ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT A SHORT TERM RENTAL HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED. NOTIFICATION SHALL INCLUDE HOST AND LOCAL CONTACT INFORMATION. I BELIEVE THIS IS INFORMATION THAT MUST BE GIVEN TO THE NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY IF A HOST IS ABSENT, SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE TASK IS GONNA FALL TO THE NEIGHBORS TO REPORT, UM, UNWANTED ACTIVITY, THEY NEED TO KNOW WHO TO CALL AND, AND WHO TO REACH OUT TO. UH, AND I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE WITH THE, THE ORDINANCE FROM BERKELEY. BUT AGAIN, IT IS A VERY, UM, IT'S MORE OF THE TYPE OF, UH, UH, PURPOSE. THE PURPOSE BEHIND THE ORDINANCE FOR BERKELEY, I THINK COVERS MORE OF THE ISSUES THAT I'M HAVING AS FAR AS OPENING OUR CITY TOO. SHORT-TERM RENTALS. UH, THE LAST POINT I WANNA MAKE IS, AGAIN, THERE IS NO, UH, LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF LICENSES, UM, THAT WE WOULD BE OPENING OUR CITY TO. AND I WANT TO SEE THAT IN THIS ORDINANCE. IN FACT, I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING A LIMIT PER DISTRICT. SO AGAIN, I WOULDN'T WANT FOR ONE DISTRICT TO BE OVERLY BURDENED. LET'S SAY WE ISSUE A HUNDRED LICENSES AND 90 OF THOSE LICENSES ARE IN DISTRICT ONE, JUST TO SAY, UM, I THINK THAT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE. UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE GOING TO ISSUE A HUNDRED LICENSES IN THE CITY, PER SE, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW FIND A WAY TO HAVE THAT, UH, BE AN EFFECT UPON THE ENTIRE CITY ACROSS ALL FOUR DISTRICTS. UM, THE VI OKAY, THEN THERE WAS THIS OTHER ISSUE ABOUT VIOLATION. UM, I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS TROUBLE ABOUT HAVING AN ORDINANCE, AND WE'RE GONNA EXPECT PEOPLE TO FOLLOW OUR ORDINANCE. AND IF NOT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF FOLKS CHOOSE NOT TO SEEK OUT A LICENSE, IF THEY CHOOSE TO POST THEIR PROPERTIES FOR SHORT TERM VACATION RENTALS, UH, WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE RULES THAT THE CITY IS NOW ESTABLISHING, I BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A CONSEQUENCE TO THAT VIOLATION. YOU KNOW, GIVE THIS ORDINANCE SOME TEETH. UM, THE CONSEQUENCE I THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IS, UH, IF A PROPERTY IS FOUND TO BE OPERATING A SHORT TERM RENTAL WITHOUT HAVING HAD A LICENSE OR HAVING GONE THROUGH THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS, UM, THEN I, THAT OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NEED TO CITE THAT INAPPROPRIATE USE, UH, AS MARTIN MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT. BUT THEN ALSO WE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE BE A PERIOD OF 12 MONTHS WHERE THEY WOULD BE INELIGIBLE TO SEEK A LICENSE. RIGHT. UH, MARTIN, I DON'T KNOW. YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD. IS THAT IN THE ORDINANCE? MAYBE I MISSED IT. YES, I, I MEAN, THANK YOU. UNLESS, UNLESS YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS WHEN YOU'RE DONE, I COULD BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT SECTION AT LEAST. YEAH, I JUST HAVE TWO MORE THINGS TO SAY. SURE. SO, THE NUMBER LICENSE, I SAID THAT THE VIOLATION. AND THEN THE LAST THING, UM, AT, AT MY LAST, UH, TOWN HALL, WE DID DISCUSS THIS ITEM. 'CAUSE I KNEW THAT IT WAS COMING UP FOR DISCUSSION. AND, UM, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED TO HEAR THE OPINIONS OF A LOT OF THE FOLKS AT MY TOWN HALL. I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS AT MY TOWN HALL WERE NOT VERY HAPPY WITH, UH, OPENING THE CITY TO THE CONSEQUENCES OF SHORT-TERM VACATION RENTALS. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY ARE AGAINST HAVING SHORT-TERM VACATION RENTALS. I THINK THEY JUST WANT TO SEE SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT IS GOING TO MINIMIZE OR MITIGATE THE, THE, UM, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT, RIGHT. THAT THAT IS, UH, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE TO SUCH A THING. SO I'M ACTUALLY CURIOUS TO SEE WHETHER, UM, IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IF MY COLLEAGUES AGREE WE SHOULD HAVE A COMMUNITY FORUM ON THIS SPECIFIC TOPIC. UM, AND IT SHOULD BE CITYWIDE. I THINK THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO, YOU KNOW, BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THIS. I'M NOT SURE HOW SUCCESSFUL THAT EFFORT WAS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A ROBUST EFFORT TO, UH, ADVERTISE A WORKSHOP SO THAT INDIVIDUALS IN THIS CITY [02:35:01] ARE AWARE THAT THIS IS COMING TO NATIONAL CITY, AND THEY CAN COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT HAS HAPPENED IN A VERY FRUITFUL WAY, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, FIRST OF ALL, LEMME JUST, UH, , I'M SORRY. RECORD. UH, LET'S RELEASE THE, UH, UH, TRANSLATOR. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS TO, UH, TRANSLATION, UM, WITH THAT. YEAH. UH, LET ME JUST ASK, OKAY. NOW, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING HERE IS, IS LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES AND HOW, HOW WIDE OF A NET DID WE TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE, AND NOT JUST WITH THEIR, UH, WHAT I'M GONNA CALL THEIR FIRST BLUSH AT A, UH, AN ORDINANCE, BUT ONES THAT HAVE KIND OF BEEN THROUGH THIS FOR A WHILE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND HOW WHATEVER CORRECTIONS THEY HAVE MADE. WELL, PART OF THE DIFFICULTY IN COMPARING IS IT'S REALLY APPLES TO ORANGES. 'CAUSE A LOT OF THE ORIGINAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL LICENSES WERE IN RESPONSE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BEACH CITIES, THE DEL MARS, ENCINITAS, SOLANO BEACH, ET CETERA, AND COMMUNITIES OF SAN DIEGO, WHICH, AGAIN, THEY VARY BETWEEN DISTRICTS IN SAN DIEGO OR COMMUNITIES. THEY, THEY'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT POPULATIONS, DIFFERENT PRESSURES, DIFFERENT, UH, YOU KNOW, INTEREST GROUPS. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC OR PUBLIC NUISANCE AND, AND ALSO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHEREAS THERE, THERE'S NUISANCE ISSUES WITH, WITH FOLKS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, LIVE IN DIFFERENT, MORE EXPENSIVE NEIGHBORHOODS, PERHAPS. I'M NOT SURE. BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE DIFFERENT POLITICAL PRESSURES INVOLVED, WHICH IS WHY THEY STARTED THAT PROCESS. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS, A LOT OF THIS WAS IN INTENDED TO, TO SPUR CONVERSATION SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DIFFERENT FROM OTHER CITIES. I MEAN, WHEN I PICK CHULA VISTA, I JUST PICK IT 'CAUSE IT'S OUR NEIGHBOR. WE'RE NOT, UH, EXACTLY THE SAME AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, MAKEUP AND, AND ARCHITECTURE OF HOMES, QUALITY OF HOMES. IN SOME CASES. WE'RE A OLDER COMMUNITY, SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT PRESSURES. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, A A LOT OF THE, OF COURSE, WE'VE BEEN TAKING NOTES AND THANK YOU. UH, MEMO. MOLINA WILL CERTAINLY LOOK AT THE BERKELEY ORDINANCE. AND AS FAR AS THE VIOLATIONS, A LOT OF THAT'S IN, IN THIS. BUT WE, WE WILL DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. AND JUST TO KIND OF BACKTRACK ON THE VIOLATION, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYOR, WHEN I ORIGINALLY SPOKE, I WASN'T SURE ABOUT THE VIOLATIONS, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PERMIT. WELL, IT WOULD BE THE SAME. IT WOULD, IT WOULD, ANY VIOLATION OF THIS CHAPTER, WHICH IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A LICENSE, WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT $500,000, 1500, UH, EACH, EACH VIOLATION. OH, OKAY. BUT YEAH, WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT OTHER CITIES. THEY DON'T ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, REALLY COM COMPARE, UM, RIGHT. SOMETIMES WE'LL LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE, LEMON GROVE OR LA MESA, 'CAUSE THEY'RE SIMILAR IN SIZE AND OR POPULATION. BUT, UH, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN GOING ON THAT. OKAY. WELL, I THINK, UM, AIRBNBS HAVE BECOME, IN THE LAST 10, 15 YEARS, HAVE BECOME KIND OF A MAINSTAY IN JUST ABOUT ALL COMMUNITIES. UH, THE QUESTION IS, WE, AT THIS POINT, WE'VE NEVER PUT ANYTHING ON THE BOOKS ABOUT 'EM. SO THEREFORE, BY, BY RULE, THEY QUOTE ON WHAT AREN'T SUPPOSED TO EXIST, BUT THEY DO. AND SO THIS IS TO GAIN SOME CONTROL. THE QUESTION IS HOW MUCH CONTROL, AND HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE CONTROL IT? UM, AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, MR. NETTO BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE HOTELS OUT HERE, UH, AND WE'RE BRINGING IN MORE HOTELS. AND I THINK THAT'S, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM, UH, WITH THE DIFFERENCE ON SOMETHING ALONG THIS LINE AS FAR AS A HOUSE, A RENTAL, AS OPPOSED TO A HOTEL ROOM. BUT STILL, AT THE SAME TIME, THOSE HOTELS ARE PUTTING OUT TOT AND HELPING SUPPORT THE CITY AND THE SERVICES, UH, THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. AND THEN RIGHT NOW, AIRBNBS ARE NOT, AND, UH, UM, AND, AND THEY SHOULD BE. AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER PART OF THE KIND OF CONTROL FACTOR THAT WE HAVE. AND SO THAT WE CAN, UH, HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL. SO WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE DISADVANTAGES, BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T IGNORE 'EM. AND WHEN YOU GOT, LIKE, AT ANY ONE TIME BETWEEN 102 HUNDRED OF THEM ONGOING ON ANY GIVEN DAY, UM, IN A COMMUNITY. BUT I AGREE, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE, JUST AS MANY OF OUR HOMES HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO LONG-TERM RENTALS BY OUTSIDE IN INTEREST, WE DON'T WANT THOSE RENTER, UH, RENTALS TURNED INTO, YOU KNOW, LONG TERM, UH, SHORT TERM RENTERS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, GOING YEAR ROUND. UH, BUT, UM, UH, WE, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER, I THINK A, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES, AND THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF, UH, NAVAL PERSONNEL THAT, UH, UH, THAT ARE BUYING HOMES HERE, AND THEN THEY GO OUT FOR DEPLOYMENT. AND SO A LOT OF TIMES IT'S GONNA SIT THERE FOR, FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY THAT THEY DEAL WITH IT AS FAR AS USING IT AS AIRBNBS, THINGS ALONG THIS LINE. SO THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT VARIANCES AND NO, WE'RE NOT A BEACH TOWN [02:40:01] OR ANYTHING ELSE ALONG THAT LINE. AND WE DO KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP THE PROSTITUTION, WE KNOW THAT SOME UNITS HAVE BEEN USED FOR THAT. AND THIS IS A WAY TO GAIN, GAIN SOME CONTROL OVER THAT PORTION OF IT. AND I KNOW THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR, FOR QUITE SOME TIME, PROBABLY ABOUT TWO YEARS THAT I'M AWARE OF. AND, UH, UH, AS A PART OF THEIR OVERALL DEALING WITH NOT ONLY DISTURBANCES, BUT ALSO, UM, ON, ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL ON SOME OF THE PROSTITUTION PROBLEMS. AND SO, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT THIS AND, AND TO TRY TO BRING TOGETHER, BUT I, I AGREE. I'M, I JUST DON'T WANT TO, DON'T WANNA RUSH INTO ANYTHING THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE DETAILS AND, AND LOOKING OVER THE LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, BOTH POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE. SO, UM, ANI THEN RODRIGUEZ, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA, AND OF COURSE YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS AS WELL, MR. MAYOR. BUT THIS IS, UM, AND THOSE ARE ALL GOOD SUGGESTIONS, AS THIS IS AN INTRODUCTION TO THIS ORDINANCE. SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT THE STAFF ARE, UH, ASKING IS, UH, NEXT STEP FOR US TO DISCUSS. HOW ARE WE GOING, WHAT ARE THE COMPONENTS THAT WE HAVE TO, UM, TO, UM, UH, STUDY IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE A, UH, AN ORDINANCE? UM, RIGHT NOW, AS PER THE STUDY THAT WE HAVE BEEN PRESENTED, UM, UP TO 200, A HUNDRED TO 200 ARE ALREADY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF, UM, HAVING A SHORT TERM, SHORT TERM RENTAL. THEY'RE TAKING ALSO ADVANTAGE THAT WE ARE 65%, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, RENTAL PROPERTIES IN NATIONAL CITY THAT YOU KNOW MEAN, WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO BALANCE IN, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE HOME OWNERSHIP PROGRAM. SO I THINK, UM, ALL THOSE SUGGESTIONS THAT WE CAN HAVE, WE, WE, UM, WE FOLLOW THESE NEXT STEPS IN ORDER FOR US TO BE MORE, TO BE DILIGENT IN HOW WE ARE GOING TO, TO, UM, ADDRESS AT LEAST THOSE, THOSE 200, UP TO 200, UM, UM, SHORT TERM RENTAL OPERATORS ALREADY THAT ARE IN OUR CITY. UM, WE ARE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF, OF THOSE. AND WE ARE ALSO BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, AND EXPOSED TO, UM, TO, UH, ADVERSE, UM, ACTIVITIES IN, IN THOSE, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I BELIEVE THAT YOU AND WE AS A, AS A POLICYMAKER SHOULD BE ABLE TO STUDY THIS PROPERLY DILIGENCE WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, THAT I HAVE HEARD AND, AND ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF AND OUR, OUR, UH, POLICE AND FIRE, UM, CODE CONFORMANCE. I THINK ALL THIS, UM, INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE TO GATHER, UM, BASED ON THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE, UM, WOULD BE, UH, GREAT ELEMENTS AND COMPONENTS FOR US TO HAVE A GOOD ORDINANCE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE GET CAUGHT UP IN ALL THE DETAILS OF THE POLICIES, BUT WHAT I REMEMBER A FEW MONTHS BACK WAS A PHONE CALL EARLY IN THE MORNING FROM A SINGLE MOM, AND SHE WAS WORRIED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN HER NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE SHE LIVED AT A PROPERTY, SHE LIVES AT A PROPERTY WHICH SHARES AN ALLEY WHERE THERE WAS A SHOOTING, AND 26 SHOTS WERE FIRED. THANK GOD NOBODY WAS HURT. BUT THAT IS THE TERROR THAT IS OCCURRING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. IT'S UNFAIR. AND I THINK IT'S, I THINK WE AS A CITY, AS A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, WHETHER IT'S A CITY, A STATE, A COUNTY, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, THAT HAPPENED, BY THE WAY, ON THE CORNER OF B AND 16TH. THAT HAPPENED EARLY IN THE WEEK. BY SUNDAY, SATURDAY NIGHT, FOLKS WERE MESSAGING AND PUTTING ON FACEBOOK THAT THERE WAS A PARTY TAKING PLACE AT THAT SAME LOCATION THAT IS USED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. AND AS THAT IS ONE, THAT IS ONE PROPERTY, THERE ARE PROPERTIES SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHERE THAT IS OCCURRING. IT'S LAWLESSNESS. WE NEED A POLICY, AND YES, IT IS TO ADDRESS A LOT OF ISSUES. PROSTITUTION IS ONE OF THEM. THESE, UH, UNSIGHTLY PARTIES IS ANOTHER SHOOTINGS, STABBINGS. I MEAN, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON. I DON'T PERSONALLY LIVE NEXT TO ONE, BUT I COULD TELL YOU THAT I WOULD BE JUMPING FOR, FOR, FOR THE COUNCIL TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE PROPERTIES. NOW, I THINK WE, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION NOW FOR, FOR ABOUT A YEAR, AND IT, AND IT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE, BUT IT'S ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE AS A CITY RECOGNIZE [02:45:01] THAT THERE IS AN INDUSTRY IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT, I THINK IS NOT A GOOD OPTION, IS NOT A GOOD CHOICE, WHICH IS WHY MANY CITIES AROUND US HAVE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED A SHORT-TERM RENTAL POLICY TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. WHETHER IT'S THE BEACH COMMUNITIES, WHETHER IT'S CHULA VISTA, WHETHER IT'S VISTA, WHETHER IT'S OCEANSIDE, THEY HAVE ADDRESSED THESE ISSUES. SO WE'VE BEEN KICKING THIS COUNT DOWN THE ROAD FOR A LONG TIME. AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONCERN FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES, UH, ABOUT QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POLICY. BUT CAN WE CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD? AND BECAUSE WE HAVE WAITED FOR SUCH A LONG TIME TO ACT ON THESE ISSUES, I WOULD HATE FOR THESE, THESE, THESE, UH, INSTANCES. AND, UH, TO CONTINUE, THERE'S, THERE'S A PROPERTY IN MY PARTICULAR DISTRICT THAT IS LITERALLY SHARES AN ALLEY NEXT TO A PRESCHOOL. IT IS ABHORRENT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IN OUR COMMUNITY. THAT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN, AND WE SHOULD ACT AT THE SAME TIME, RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD, GOOD BUSINESS OWNERS THAT WANT TO DO WELL IN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY. MOST OF THEM LIVE ON SITE. BUT I, I FEEL, I FEEL THAT DOING NOTHING AND ALLOWING BUSINESS AS USUAL IS, IS REALLY NOT A, NOT A GOOD IDEA. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTFULNESS AND THE WORK, UH, STAFF HAS DONE ON THIS. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT PERFECT. AND, AND I'M CERTAINLY OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE THE POLICY BETTER. UM, BUT I LOVE THE IDEA. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT DEMONSTRATED ALL THE THINGS THAT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE WOULD, WOULD DO? A A A BUSINESS OWNER WOULD HAVE TO GET A BUSINESS LICENSE, UH, TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY REGISTRATION CERTIFICATE. UH, THEY WOULD BE HAVE TO BE AN AGENT SLASH BROKER SLASH OWNER AVAILABLE 24 HOURS A DAY IN CASE A CALL WOULD COME. UH, PUBLIC NUISANCE WOULD BE PROHIBITED, NOISE VIOLATIONS WOULD BE PROHIBITED. UM, UH, THERE'S LIMITED OCCUPANCY DEPENDING ON THE PROPERTY. GUEST HOURS, QUIET TIME FROM 10, UM, UH, 10 TO NINE, 10:00 PM TO 9:00 AM. UM, WHAT IS, WHAT ELSE? UM, AND THE EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY, MAKING SURE THAT THE, THAT THERE'S A PHONE NUMBER DISPLAYED, THERE'S A GOOD NEIGHBOR HANDOUT. ALL THESE THINGS ARE JUST CRITICAL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS APPRISED OF WHAT'S OCCURRING, AND THAT THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES FOR BAD OWNERS THAT ALL THEY CARE ABOUT ARE MAKING MONEY. IT'S NOT OKAY. WE NEED RESPONSIBLE OWNERS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE OUR, UH, OUR PD, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT, EVERY SINGLE AVENUE POSSIBLE SO THAT THESE INSTANCES DO NOT OCCUR. SO I, I, I ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUES AND I, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT SOME DETAILS, BUT I WOULD URGE US TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, UH, BECAUSE THESE ARE VERY PRESSING ISSUES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. WE HAVE SEEN STABBINGS, WE HAVE SEEN SHOOTINGS. UM, WE MUST DO SOMETHING. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU. I DON'T WANNA REPEAT EVERYTHING THE STAFF SAID, BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS AND, UM, FOR, UH, ALL, ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES FOR THE DISCUSSION, I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, THE WORK THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA DID. AND I REALLY LIKE THE POINTS YOU BROUGHT UP ON, UH, BERKELEY. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT MODEL. AND MY BIGGEST CONCERN ON THIS, UH, BESIDES THE PROSTITUTION, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG CONCERN. AND, AND THE ORDINANCE IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN. I, I DON'T SEE IT, UH, I SEE IT LACKING IN DIRECTLY ADDRESSING THAT SOME. SO I THINK THERE'S SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN MAYBE, UH, WORK ON THAT WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE BERKELEY ORDINANCE AND SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA PROPOSED. UH, MY BIGGEST ISSUE WAS THE IMPACT ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO THE REALITY IS THEY'RE ALREADY HERE, SO WE NEED TO REGULATE THEM. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS POLICY DOES. SO I DO SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD. I DON'T THINK WE'RE DOING NOTHING. I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE US TO MOVE FORWARD AND ACT ON THIS, BUT THE DETAILS MATTER IN THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE, UH, POLICIES, YOU KNOW, HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE LOOKING AT OTHER, OTHER CITIES AND MODELS, GETTING THIS DONE RIGHT, LOOKING AT BERKELEY, I THINK THAT COULD BE A GOOD MODEL. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, YOU KNOW, UH, YES, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, SHOOTINGS AND STABBINGS AND THINGS, BUT, UM, UH, I, IT'S NOT MY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT IN UNDER ANY TYPE OF IDEA THAT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE IS GOING TO SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS. SO, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO RUSH INTO THIS ORDINANCE WITH THAT PURPOSE IN MIND, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S MEANT, OR IT'S INTENDED FOR THAT PURPOSE, RIGHT? WE NEED TO HAVE A TRUE PURPOSE TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, AND THAT ISN'T PRESENTLY WHAT'S BEFORE US. SO AGAIN, I WANT TO POINT TO THE, UH, EXAMPLE THAT I DID, AND, UH, PERHAPS, UM, [02:50:01] ENCOURAGE STAFF TO BRING BACK SOMETHING THAT IS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT I'VE JUST DESCRIBED. UM, AND FOR THAT, UH, MAYOR, IF YOU'RE READY FOR A MOTION, I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE HOLD OFF ON ADOPTING A FIRST READING OF ANY TYPE OF ORDINANCE, HAVE STAFF WORK ON SOME OF THE, UM, LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THERE ALREADY BASED ON THE INPUT FROM THE COUNCIL TONIGHT. UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT A COMMUNITY FORUM IS ADVERTISED PERHAPS DURING, UH, JULY WHEN WE ARE ON BREAK FROM CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, UM, AND, AND GIVE THE COMMUNITY A CHANCE TO COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT THIS. UH, AND, UM, UH, I'M NOT SAYING LET'S DO NOTHING. NO, IN FACT, I COMPLETELY AGREE. THIS IS A MARKET THAT IS, UH, HAPPENING, AND WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO FIND A WAY TO CONTROL IT. LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, FIND A WAY TO, UM, REGULATE IT AND CONTROL IT SO THAT WE ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT BURDENING THE NEIGHBORS AND THE, THE COMMUNITY. AND, UM, IF THIS MAGICAL ORDINANCE IS GOING TO PREVENT STABBINGS AND SHOOTINGS, BY ALL MEANS, I'M FOR THAT. THAT'S EMO THAT'S A MOTION, MAYOR. SO I'LL SECOND, BUT I WOULD ASK THE MAKER IF YOU'RE, UH, OPEN FOR IT. LET ME, I THINK WE SHOULD PUSH OUR BUTTON BECAUSE THERE MOTION IN SECOND. SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU, UM, SO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE OR ADJUST YOUR LANGUAGE AND, UH, SO THAT INSTEAD OF LIKE JUST PUTTING ON HOLD THAT WE ASK STAFF TO COME BACK, BUT WITH YOUR SPECIFIED CHANGES FROM BERKELEY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF NEEDED DIRECTION ON WHAT THOSE ARE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A MAJORITY OF MY COLLEAGUES THAT LIKED SOME OF THIS, BUT IN, IN UM, TERMS OF ESPECIALLY THE AFFORDABILITY AND, UM, THERE WAS LIKE SEVEN DIFFERENT, SO I DON'T, I THINK IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR YOU TO REPEAT SOME OF THOSE, BUT I'M, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I AM HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE MY NOTES TO STAFF. I AM ALSO VERY HAPPY TO SHARE THAT THE ORDINANCE AGAIN, TO, TO EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO HAVE IT OR, OR, I'M SORRY, THE, THE MUNICIPAL CODE FROM BERKELEY AS THE EXAMPLE. UM, AND AGAIN, IT, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THERE WOULD BE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE TO THE LANGUAGE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FIRST READING OF THIS ORDINANCE. IS THAT CORRECT, MR. CITY ATTORNEY? BASED ON, BASED ON THE EXTENT OF YOUR COMMENTS AND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING STAFF TO DO, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU PUT IT OFF AND HAVE THEM BRING BACK, UH, A REVISED ORDINANCE FOR ACTUAL CONSIDERATION OF INTRODUCTION. THANK YOU. SO THAT IS MY MOTION, UH, MR. VICE MAYOR, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR FEEDBACK, BUT WHAT I'M PROPOSING THAT WE DO, THE ACTION THAT WE TAKE RIGHT NOW IS TO, UH, ASK STAFF TO PREPARE A COMMUNITY FORUM WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENS IF THERE'S AVAILABILITY IN JULY, FINE, IF NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, AUGUST OR WHENEVER THERE IS AVAILABILITY TO DO IT. AGAIN, I AM NOT IN ANY RUSH TO GO INTO AN ORDINANCE THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR OUR CITY, AND WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR OUR CITY. UH, SO MY FIRST, THE FIRST PART OF MY MOTION IS TO, UH, DIRECT STAFF TO HELP US PUT TOGETHER A COMMUNITY FORUM ON THIS VERY SPECIFIC TOPIC. AND TWO, UH, IS TO BRING BACK A, ANOTHER FIRST READING, ANOTHER DRAFT THAT DOES INCLUDE THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN VOICED HERE TONIGHT. UM, OKAY. WE DO HAVE A MOTION. SECOND, THE, UH, I THINK CONCERN IS THIS HAS BEEN, UH, THIS HAS BEEN, BEEN BROUGHT UP AND I SAY I KNOW THE POLICE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT. THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW THAT I'M AWARE OF. AND, UH, UM, AND I KNOW WE DID, WE HAD A SPECIFIC INCIDENT THAT KIND OF TRI DID A TRIGGER HERE, UH, RECENTLY TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ON IT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THIS, UH, THIS ACTUAL ORDINANCE. IT'S NOT AS IF WE, WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS ORDINANCE. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE GOT TO SEE IT, JUST IN THE LAST TWO DAYS. SO IT'S, UH, UH, SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS. LAST THING I WOULD WANT US TO SEE US DO IS ADOPT AN ORDINANCE NOW AND THEN COME BACK IN A COUPLE MONTHS AND WE'RE CHANGING ALL THE RULES. UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONCE AGAIN KIND OF COUNTERINTUITIVE. UH, AND, AND I KNOW I DID HEAR SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS IN FOR SUMMERTIME, FOR THE SUMMERTIME REC. WE'RE NOT A BEACH COMMUNITY. SO I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S MUCH OF A SUMMERTIME RUSH, UH, TYPE TYPE SITUATION WITH, UH, WITH THOSE. UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, I, AND I UNDERSTAND, UH, WE WANNA MOVE AHEAD. WE WANNA MAKE SURE, BUT WE, LET'S MAKE SURE WE GOT A GOOD ORDINANCE THAT REALLY FITS OUR COMMUNITY. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND HAS HAVE SAFEGUARDS IN THERE. I THINK THAT BOTH PROTECTS THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO HAVE A LEGITIMATE BUSINESS, BUT ALSO PROTECTS, PROTECTS OUR COMMUNITY, AND DOESN'T, [02:55:01] UM, UH, SINCE WE HAVE HAVE SUCH A HIGH INCIDENT RATE HERE OF OUTSIDE OWNERSHIP ON HOUSING, UH, THAT THAT DOES NOT BECOME ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER FORM OF, UH, I DUNNO HOW ELSE YOU'RE GONNA CALL IT COMMUNITY RIPOFF OR WHATEVER, UH, AT, AT THIS POINT, UM, I DO WANT, I, I KNOW WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE ONLY HAD ONE SPEAKER ON, THIS IS KINDA A MAJOR ITEM AND ONLY ONE SPEAKER. AND SO WE DID IT WITH A LATE, UH, UH, ASKED TO SPEAK ON THIS. AND THAT'S EL SALVADOR AB, IS IT AIKA? AIKA? OKAY. YES. UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, MAYOR. UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, I KNOW KIND OF, UH, WEIRD. I WAS SITTING IN THE BACK TRYING TO LISTEN TO WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON. I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF, UH, BASICALLY BETWEEN ON G STREET BETWEEN FOURTH AND FIFTH, RIGHT? BY HIGHLAND. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RESPONDS SUPER QUICK. UH, WE'VE HAD OF SEVERAL INCIDENTS THERE, AND THE, THE, UM, ASSAILANTS HAVEN'T BEEN FOUND, RIGHT? EVERY MORNING I GET UP, I HEAD OUT DOWN EITHER FOURTH OR FIFTH TOWARDS, UH, UH, NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD TO CATCH THE FREEWAY. AND IT'S ALWAYS A PARADE OF LET'S JUST SAY LADIES OF THE NIGHT, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL 'EM, RIGHT? UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS ARE HAPPENING AND THROUGH THIS, UM, UM, POLICY YOU'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT, I DIDN'T HEAR ONE THING ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF WHAT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS MM-HMM . OR WHAT IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT IT TO BE FOR RENTALS AND, AND VACATIONING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN, WHEN, IF WE DO NOT DEFINE WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THOSE RENTALS ARE, ARE TO BE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. MM-HMM . AND TO YOUR POINT, COUNCIL MEMBER, BAD, UH, HABITS BRING BAD RESULTS, RIGHT? SO, SHOOTING STABBINGS, UH, WAS BORN AND RAISED IN WILMINGTON, CALIFORNIA THROUGH THE EIGHTIES WHEN HIGH SCHOOL, YOU'D WALK OUT THE DOOR AND , THERE'S SHOOTINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE HAPPENING. SO WHEN I MOVED TO THE CITY HERE, I'M SEEING THE SAME THING HAPPENING, AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO CORRECT IT? I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE TRYING TO APPROACH THE ISSUE OF, OF SEVERAL THINGS, RIGHT? AND I BELIEVE THAT THE HOUSING RESTRICTIONS OR, OR THE ARE OR SHORT-TERM RENTALS CAN ADDRESS THAT, BUT IT'S NOT THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION. BE I MORE PROMISE TO ADDRESS ONE THING. I JUST WANTED TO STEP, TAKE THE MOMENT THAT, UH, YOU GRACIOUSLY, UM, PROVIDED TO SAY SOMETHING. BECAUSE IT'S JUST, IT IS FRUSTRATING TO SEE THAT WE ADDRESS ONE THING AND WE TRY TO CONNECT THE OTHERS WITH IT. BUT WHEN WE SHOULD BE CONNECTING OR CONFRONTING THE ACTUAL ISSUE STRAIGHT UP, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT, UM, FROM ACCIDENTS TO BAD HABITS TO BAD RESULTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE KIDS ARE SEEING THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, WE GREW UP IN A TIME WHEN WE CAN PLAY IN THE STREETS, NOT, NOT THE CASE THESE DAYS. SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. AND I WILL BE BACK FOR SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK, THANK YOU. AND I THROUGH THE CHAIR. I, I, I WOULD JUST WANT TO ASSURE YOU, NO, YOU CAN GO AHEAD, SIT DOWN, BUT, BUT I DO JUST WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT WE REALIZE THAT THIS IS JUST ONE TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX DEALING WITH ALL, AND WE GOT A WHOLE LOT OF ISSUES. AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON CONCERNING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE PROSTITUTION OR WHATEVER. AND A LOT OF THAT THE STATE HAS, YOU KNOW, CHANGED THE LAWS ON US IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS AND MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT ON LOCAL COMMUNITIES, AND IT'S HAPPENING ALL UP AND DOWN THE STATE. UM, AND SO WE GOTTA FIND WAYS TO, TO KIND OF COUNTERACT THAT. AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE ON THIS, THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS GOING ON. SOME OF IT WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT, BUT THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, UH, THAT ARE GONNA HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THIS. BUT I SAY, BUT THIS IS ONE TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX. IT'S NOT THE WHOLE TOOLBOX. AND, AND WE REALIZE THAT, UM, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WAS JUST GONNA ENCOURAGE MR. SALVADOR TO GET A COPY OF THE, UH, OF THE DRAFT MM-HMM . FROM OUR PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, OUR PLANNING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. SO THEN YOU CAN HAVE THOSE, 'CAUSE THE DEFINITION OF IT IS RIGHT HERE IN THIS, IN THIS. AND THEN, SO YOU CAN ALSO GO THROUGH IT. AND THEN DURING THE WORKSHOP YOU'LL BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, GIVE, GIVE YOUR INPUT AS WELL. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. OKAY. MEMBER RODRIGUEZ, LAST NAME IS MAYOR. UM, HOW DO I PUT THIS? PROBLEMATIC PROPERTIES IN OUR COMMUNITY, IF WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE LIKE THE ONE BEFORE US, AND I UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES, AND I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO ADDITIONAL CHANGES. IF THEY HAVE COMPLAINTS, THEY WOULD GET A FEE. AND IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL COMPLAINTS, THERE'S ANOTHER FEE AND ADDITIONAL COMPLAINTS, THERE'S ANOTHER FEE. AND THE FOURTH COMPLAINT, YOU REMOVE THEIR LICENSE. AND IF THEY CONTINUE OPERATING, THERE'S PROGRESSIVE STEPS TO MAKE ACCOUNTABLE THE OWNER. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OWNERS THAT PUT THEIR PROPERTY ONLINE, WE SEE THEM EVERYWHERE. YOU CAN GO TO AIRBNB [03:00:01] AND YOU'LL SEE THE PROPERTY, AND THEY DON'T TAKE CARE OF IT. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO HAVE A PERFECT POLICY. I ALSO FEEL THE URGENCY OF COMMUNITY TO DO SOMETHING. SO I URGE MY COLLEAGUES, AGAIN, IF WE WANT TO HAVE A, A, A, A COMMUNITY FORUM, I THINK THAT'S GREAT'S HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE AND HAVE A COMMUNITY FORUM TO INVOLVE COMMUNITY, TO ENGAGE THEM, TO ALLOW FOR INPUT. BUT AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN SITTING ON THIS FOR A YEAR, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER WE'RE GONNA SIT AROUND JUST TO WAIT. WE NEED, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. WE MUST ACT. AND SO I, I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO PLEASE RECONSIDER. UM, I DO THINK I AM WORRIED ABOUT MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT FACE THIS ISSUE. EVERY DAY I SPEAK TO PARENTS IN FRONT OF CENTRAL THAT TELL ME EVERY SINGLE DAY, I'M SICK AND TIRED OF LOOKING AT THIS HAPPENING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEN ARE YOU ALL GONNA DO SOMETHING? IT'S NOT, IT'S UNFAIR. MM-HMM . AND SO I, I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO POLICE RECONSIDER TO PASS THE ORDINANCE. AND I THINK IT'S GOOD TO ACTUALLY HAVE MORE COMMUNITY GATHERINGS AND MEETINGS AND DO OUTREACH. BUT AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN SITTING ON THIS FOR A YEAR, WE NEED TO ACT. AND I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. THIS IS ONE OF MANY, UM, UH, TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX THAT WE MUST UTILIZE. BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. WE MUST DO SOMETHING. SO I WOULD, I WOULD URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO PLEASE RECONSIDER RIGHT THROUGH THE CHAIR. YES. I THINK WE'RE GOING THROUGH WITH IT, BRO. UM, BUT WE NEED . SORRY, SORRY, BUT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE DEPARTMENT THAT STUDIED THIS, AND THEN WE WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HAVE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS IS, THIS IS LIKE, DISCUSS THE COMPONENTS. THAT'S THE NEXT STEPS. THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR US TO DO. SO WE'RE GONNA DO IT. SO LET'S DO IT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND WE WILL HAVE IT. I, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD TILL AUGUST, AND IT STILL TAKES MONTHS TO IMPLEMENT. SO I AM MORE OF THE BELIEF THAT WE HAVE BEEN KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. WE MUST HAVE SOMETHING, BUT ALSO ALLOW FOR INPUT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. OKAY. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S EVER GONNA HAPPEN, BUT I'M SAYING LIKE, WE MUST ACT ON THIS IMMEDIATELY. OKAY. I'M CERTAIN. YEAH. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I'M CERTAIN I HAVE NO PROBLEM. I'M CERTAIN FOR, UH, FORUM THIS, THIS SUMMER. IS THAT WHAT THE TIME SAYING? NO, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ORDINANCES. SO I, BUT I, SO I THINK THE, BUT SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS ACTION. SO I'M GONNA SECOND WHAT DITA SAID, AND COME ON, BRO. WE'RE DOING ACTION HERE, . SO WE'RE TAKING ACTION. THIS IS PART OF OUR POLICY. WHAT LEWIS IS SAYING IS BRING IT BACK WITH HER CHANGES IN HER DIRECTION TO STAFF. SO I, AND, AND FOR AN ADDITIONAL FORUM. SO THAT'S TAKING ACTION LITERALLY. OKAY. YEAH. AND, AND I AGREE. I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, UH, ACTION, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ACTIONS OVER IT DEALING WITH THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE JUST WANTING CENTER AROUND THE PROSTITUTION. ONLY BEEN A LOT OF ACTIONS OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. A LOT OF US HAVE BEEN OUT THERE AND TAKING FLACK FOR BEING OUT THERE AND, AND FIGHTING ON THIS THING. AND SO THIS IS ONE MORE THING THAT HAS COME UP THAT WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS TO START TRYING TO GET SOME CONTROL BACK ON THIS. BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN SITTING ON THIS ORDINANCE FOR OVER A YEAR. WE'VE BEEN SITTING ON THIS ORDINANCE FOR LIKE TWO DAYS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THAT WE'VE HAD TO LOOK AT THIS THING, MR. MAYOR. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE. WE HAVE BEEN STUDYING THIS SINCE, WELL, STUDYING THE IDEA, DISCUSSING THIS FOR A VERY LONG TIME, HAVE PRESENT IT TO US. SO ANYWAY, UM, MAYBE WE, WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT OUR BUDGET JUNE 17TH, RIGHT? FINANCE DIRECTOR, CITY MANAGER, JUNE 17. SO WE HAVE DAYS, RIGHT? AND I KNOW THAT THE STAFF ARE GOING ON DARK. WE ARE GOING ON DARK TOO. UH, GO AHEAD, MR. MARTIN. IF I COULD JUST MAKE A SUGGESTION, I COULD COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH SUGGESTED UNDER STAFF REPORT WITH THE, THE SUGGESTED CHANGES. AND ASSUMING THAT WE HAVE THE MAJORITY, UH, AGREE WITH WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE, AT LEAST A DIRECTION, WE CAN TAKE THAT TO A PUBLIC FORUM AND HAVE THEM DISCUSS THE ORDINANCE OR THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. UH, WE HAVE A COMPLETE PUBLIC FORUM AT A STAFF LEVEL OF THE PUBLIC. IT'S GONNA BE, UH, YOU KNOW, RIGHTLY SO, A COMPLAINT SESSION, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HELP ME GET THE, THE ORDINANCE DONE, SO, OKAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE NEEDS TO BE DONE. BUT I, BUT THAT WE, WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO SHOW PEOPLE YES. AND SAYING, OKAY, HERE, HERE'S WHAT'S BEING LOOKED AT. YOU KNOW, POKE YOUR HOLES IN IT OR FIND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDED OR WHATEVER ELSE. AND THAT WAY I THINK IT'LL MAKE A PUBLIC FORUM A LOT MORE PRODUCTIVE. YEAH. BUT WE HAVE, I AGREE. SO WE HAVE A FRAMEWORK NOW, RIGHT. SO WE CAN PROPOSE YEAH. BUT WE CAN SHOW THE PUBLIC THAT TOO. AND, BUT I THINK THE DIRECTION HERE WILL GIVE YOU OKAY. UH, THE, THE DIRECTION TO LOOK AT THE CITY OF BERKELEY ORDINANCE, THE ISSUES THAT [03:05:01] SHE BROUGHT UP, IS THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA BROUGHT UP. AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE, AND THEN, UH, THE COMMUNITY CAN BRING UP OTHER IDEAS. SO I THINK I HAVE PLENTY OF DIRECTION TO GO FORWARD. THEN. I, I'D BE HAPPY TO, IF I COULD GET A HIGHLIGHTED COPY OR A SECTION OF THE HIGHLIGHTED SECTION IN PARTICULAR, BUT I'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU UNDER STAFF REPORT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, AND THEN PROCEED TO GET INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, AND THEN WHEN I COME BACK WITH POTENTIALLY ANOTHER INTRODUCTION THE SECOND TIME OR THE FIRST YEAH, THE INTRODUCTION AGAIN. UH, I THINK THE SECOND, FIRST TIME WE CAN ALSO GIVE YOU THE MINUTES OF WHATEVER WE HEARD AT THE PUBLIC FORUM. YEAH. WE'LL MOVE THIS THING ON AS FAST AS WE CAN, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT INFORMATION, NOT ONLY IN FRONT OF US, BUT IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC, SO THAT WE CAN, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THIS, THIS IS A COMMUNITY EFFORT. UH, ALRIGHT. WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, MR. MAYOR, YOU SAID YOU'LL BRING BACK THE SUGGESTIONS, UH, SO WE HAVE CONCURRENCE OR WHATEVER AT THE, UH, NEXT, NEXT MEETING FOR THE 17TH. I'LL KNOW BY THE END OF THE WEEK IF I CAN OKAY. IF CAN MAKE THAT SCHEDULE. YOU CAN. OKAY. AND THEN WE WILL, UH, UM, AND THEN WE WILL, UH, UH, MOVE FROM, FROM THAT AND, UH, SET UP A PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC, UH, UH, FORUM OF SOME TYPE AND THEN COME BACK AS, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE WHEN WE HAVE THE PIECES PUT TOGETHER AND BRING THIS BACK BEFORE US FOR INTRODUCTION AND THEN HOPEFULLY ADOPTION. MR. MAYOR, UH, THAT IS, AS I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION, MR. MAYOR. YES. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO, JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION ON SPECIFIC DATES. SO, SO YOU'LL LET US KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD, UM, BRING BACK, UM, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS BY NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. MM-HMM . AND, AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME KIND OF COMMUNITY FORUM IN THE SUMMER, MAYBE WHEN WE'RE OFF IN JULY AND BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL IN A FIRST READING. WOULD THAT BE IN AUGUST? AUGUST, AUGUST? OR MIKE? UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF INPUT AND I'LL DO MY VERY BEST TO, TO COME WITH THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT I HAVE TO INSERT THAT INTO ALL OF THE OTHER TASKS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING WORKED UPON. OF COURSE. AND WE HAVE PRIORITIES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE CLEAR BY THE CITY COUNCIL. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MANAGE EXPECTATIONS, BUT I WILL GIVE THIS MY UNDIVIDED ATTENTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND SO I'M HOPING TO COME BACK AND IF I CAN COME BACK IN JUNE, UH, THIS MONTH, AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING IN JULY MOST PROBABLY, AND THEN COME BACK, UH, POTENTIALLY THE SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST. I WOULD SAY, SEEING AS THE FIRST ONE WILL BE PRETTY BUSY. I MEAN, PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. NO LATER THEN. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WERE GIVEN BECAUSE THAT WAS QUITE A BIT OF DETAIL. YEAH. AND I THINK IT'S GOOD. IT, IT HELPS US MOVE FASTER THROUGH THE PROCESS IF EVERYBODY WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. AND, UM, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I THINK MARTIN WAS SAYING A SECOND AGO. LOOKING AT THE BERKELEY ORDINANCE IS GONNA BE FINE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE HAD VERY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IF YOU'RE ALL GOOD WITH, WE CAN GET THOSE GOING. YEAH. AND GET DOWN THE ROAD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND SEE. NO MORE DISCUSSION. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO NEXT WE [9.3 Public Hearing and Resolution Confirming the Assessment and Ordering the Levy for the Landscape Maintenance District No. 1 (Mile of Cars) for Fiscal Year 2025-26.] GO ON THE NINE. YEAH. 9.3. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND RESOLUTION CONFIRMING THE ASSESSMENT AND ORDERING THE LE LEVY OF LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE DISTRICT ONE MILE CARS FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, 26. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING WE DO EVERY YEAR, BUT, UH, DO WE HAVE, UH, ANY, ANY SPECIAL REPORT ON THIS? UH, NO MA'AM. I DON'T HAVE A SPECIAL REPORT. THIS IS A FOLLOW UP FROM THE ACTION YOU TOOK AT YOUR PREVIOUS MEETING TO, IN, UH, TO INITIATE THE PUBLIC HEARING. RIGHT. AND THIS WOULD, UH, ALLOW US TO, TO TAKE CARE OF THE LEVY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, WITH THAT WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. UM, DO WE HAVE ANYONE FOR ZOOM OR ANYTHING? OKAY. WE DO NOT. OKAY. WITH THAT. UH, ASK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, WHEN IT COMES UP AND WE NEED TO PUSH THEIR BUTTONS. OKAY. PLEASE VOTE. THIS IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. UM, UM, OKAY. UM, SO, OKAY. UH, WE'VE CLOSED THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING. UH, WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR, UH, PLEASURE ON THIS ONE? MOVE TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. FOR DOCUMENT RESOLUTION. ALRIGHT. WE HAVE, UH, MOTION AND A SECOND. [03:10:02] LET'S GET THE, OKAY. THERE WE ARE. SEEING NO DISCUSSION. UM, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA AND COUNCIL MEMBER RODRIGUEZ. ABSENT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. , I DIDN'T, NO, YOU EVEN LEFT. OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT, NOW WE GO ON [10.1 City Manager Executive Recruitment] TO, UM, UH, 10.1. LET'S, ONE SECOND. LEMME GET OVER HERE. JUST A MOMENT. UM, SO UNDER STAFF REPORTS, WE HAVE THE, UH, CITY MANAGER EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT. MR. HERNANDEZ. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. LYDIA HERNANDEZ, HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR. THIS EVENING, I WILL PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE ONGOING PROCESS RELATED TO THE RECRUITMENT OF A NEW CITY MANAGER AND THE STEPS BEING TAKEN TO SELECT AN EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM TO ASSIST WITH THIS IMPORTANT ENDEAVOR. ON APRIL 18TH, 2025, THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER, BEN MARTINEZ, MUTUALLY AGREED THAT MR. MARTINEZ WOULD STEP DOWN FROM HIS ROLE EFFECTIVELY IMMEDIATELY, THEREBY CREATING THE VACANCY IN THE POSITION OF CITY MANAGER. SUBSEQUENTLY, ON APRIL 22ND, 2025, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE APPOINTMENT OF MR. SCOTT HOOTH AS INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO ENSURE CONTINUED LEADERSHIP AND OPERATIONAL STABILITY TO THE CITY. ON MAY 6TH, 2025, THE CITY COUNCIL TOOK FURTHER ACTION BY ESTABLISHING A SUBCOMMITTEE TASKED WITH DISCUSSING AND PROPOSING A PROCESS FOR RECRUITING A PERMANENT CITY MANAGER. THIS INCLUDES RECOMMENDING THE ENGAGEMENT OF QUALIFIED EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT FIRM. THE SUBCOMMITTEE CONSISTING OF MAYOR MORRISON AND COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA HAS BEEN WORKING IN COLLABORATION WITH THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT TO ADVANCE THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS. TO INITIATE THE SELECTION PROCESS, HR STAFF DEVELOPED AND DISTRIBUTED A SOLICITATION FOR EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRMS. WE RECEIVED PROPOSALS FROM FIVE QUALIFIED FIRMS. EACH PROPOSAL HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY HR STAFF FOR RESPONSIVENESS AND MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS. THE SUBCOMMITTEE WITH THE SUPPORTIVE HR STAFF ADVISOR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVALUATING THE PROPOSALS, CONDUCTING INTERVIEWS WITH THE SELECTED FIRMS, AND ULTIMATELY SELECTING A SEARCH FIRM TO RECOMMEND TO THE FULL COUNCIL. TWO CRITICAL MILESTONES HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED, UH, THE WEEK OF JUNE 2ND, A ONE HOUR MEETING WAS HELD OR WILL BE HELD BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND HR STAFF TO EVALUATE THE PROPOSALS AND DETERMINE WHICH FIRMS WILL PROCEED TO THE INTERVIEW STAGE. THE WEEK OF JUNE 9TH, VIRTUAL INTERVIEWS, APPROXIMATELY 45 MINUTES EACH WILL BE CONDUCTED WITH THE SELECTED FIRMS. FOLLOWING THESE INTERVIEWS, THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND HR STAFF ADVISOR WILL RECONVENE TO DISCUSS THE CANDIDATES AND SELECT A PREFERRED FIRM. THE SELECTED EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM AND RECOMMENDATION, I'M SORRY, THE SELECTION OF THE EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM AND RECOMMENDED NEXT STEPS WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE REGULAR MEETING ON JUNE 17TH, 2025. THE REPORT WILL ALSO INCLUDE PROPOSED CRITERIA FOR THE FIRM TO UTILIZE IN THE RECRUITMENT AND ESTIMATED RECRUITMENT TIMELINE. THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE PROCESS BY PROVIDING ALL PROPOSALS AND EVALUATION MATERIALS TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE, COORDINATING AND FACILITATING THE PROPOSAL REVIEW MEETINGS, SCHEDULING AND MAINTAINING THE INTERVIEW LOGISTICS, PREPARING PRESENTATION MATERIALS FOR THE JUNE 17TH COUNCIL MEETING. SO OUR NEXT STEPS, HR WILL PROVIDE THE SUBCOMMITTEE WITH COMPLETE PROPOSAL PACKETS FROM THE FIVE RESPONDING FIRMS. THE SUBCOMMITTEE WILL REVIEW AND EVALUATE THEIR PROPOSALS. MEETING TIMES WILL BE COORDINATED FOR THE PROPOSAL REVIEW SESSION AND VIRTUAL FIRM INTERVIEWS. THIS CONCLUDES THE UPDATE. WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT THIS THOUGHTFUL AND STRUCTURED APPROACH WILL ENSURE THE SUCCESSFUL AND TIMELY RECRUITMENT PROCESS FOR THE NATIONAL CITY'S NEXT CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, REMEMBER MOLINA, YOU HAVE, I WAS JUST GONNA MOVE TO APPROVE . WELL, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER AND, UH, UM, AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE. UH, EDWARD NETTA, I'VE GIVEN AN INTERVIEW. TELEMUNDO . . ANYWAY, UM, WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS THIS IS THAT, UH, I HOPE SUCCESS FOR THE RECRUITMENT, [03:15:01] BUT I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THAT BASED ON OUR PREVIOUS C CITY MANAGER, THAT THERE'S CHARACTERISTICS THAT WE'RE LACKING. AND I HOPE THE, THE FUTURE, UM, PERMANENT CITY MANAGER, UM, THOSE CHARACTERISTICS ARE CONSIDERED IN THAT RECRUITMENT. AND I WISH THAT THE CITIZENS WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE SOME SORT OF INPUT, BECAUSE I THINK LOOKING BACK, THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE DONE THAT UNFORTUNATELY SET UP BEN FOR FAILURE. AND I THINK WE COULD DO THINGS THAT WOULD PROVIDE INPUT TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. WANNA BE SPECIFIC? YOU HAVE A MINUTE. CAN YOU GIVE US SOME MORE? YOU GOT, I CAN GIVE YOU, I GOT, OKAY. WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS, WHAT DO YOU WANT, HOW DO YOU WANT US TO, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A CLOSED PROCESS, SO HOW DO YOU WANT US TO, OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS I, I SPECIFICALLY HAS TO BE DONE IS WHEN BEN CAME IN, TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS SPECIFICALLY SAID, I HAVE A LIST OF THINGS FOR BEN TO DO. AND I THINK THAT SET THE TONE IN MY VIEW OF BEN'S ANSWERING INSTEAD OF ANSWERING TO TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS, NOT ANSWERING TO THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE. AND I THINK THAT DERAILED HIM FROM SUCCESS. AND I SAW IT IN THE, YOU KNOW, DECISIONS AND APPROVALS THAT HE MADE. AND IT SEEMED LIKE HE WAS CONFUSED IN TERMS OF WHO DID HE REPORT TO? DOES HE REPORT TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL OR DOES HE REPORT TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS? I, I MEANT WHAT YOU SUGGEST FOR THE PUBLIC PROCESS, BUT YOU ONLY HAVE 10 SECONDS NOW, SO NEVERMIND. OKAY. I GUESS WE'LL TALK LATER. OKAY. YEAH. LET, LET, LET ME JUST SAY, YEAH, THE, THE PUBLIC CAN CERTAINLY CHIME IN ON WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE LOOKING FOR IN A CITY MANAGER OR ATTRIBUTES ON THAT LINE CANNOT BE INVOLVED IN THE, UM, SELECTION PROCESS OR EVEN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS A PERSONNEL ISSUE. AND WE'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE THAT MOST OF THEM ARE IN A JOB ALREADY, AND SO WE DON'T LET OUT THEIR NAMES OR WHATEVER ELSE. SO IT GETS BACK HOME THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE APPLYING SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND SO THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS ARE INVOLVED IN IT. SO, UH, SO THEREFORE IT HAS TO BE DONE. UH, IT DOES HAVE TO BE DONE PRIVATELY, UH, FROM THAT, FROM THAT STANDPOINT. BUT WE CERTAINLY WANNA KNOW FROM THE PUBLIC, WHAT WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN A CITY MANAGER AND WOULD NOT BE LOOKING FOR THAT. THAT'S ALWAYS GOOD INPUT. OKAY. TALK FISCAL EXPERIENCE. OKAY. YES. SO, UH, SO I THINK THAT PROCESS WISE, IT'S GOING TO A SUBCOMMITTEE, AND THIS IS COMING BACK, UH, FOR THE COUNCIL. IT WASN'T THIS, UH, COMING BACK. UM, WELL, WHAT WOULD, AS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT IN THE PROCESS, AND UH, I, I WILL LET TWO LADIES HERE TO, THEY CAN, THEY CAN SLAP MY HAND IF I'M SAYING THIS WRONG, IS THAT, UM, THE SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE LIST OF, UM, CONSULTANTS FOR A, A SEARCH, UH, CONSULTING COMPANY. AND FROM THAT WE WOULD MAKE A SELECTION AFTER DOING THE INTERVIEWS, BRING THAT BACK AT THE MEETING OF THE 17TH IN TWO WEEKS, AND THEN THEY, AND THEN BRING RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD OF, OF THE COMPANY. SO THE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD HAVE THE, WOULD SELECT THE COMPANY, BRING IT BACK FOR OUR APPROVAL, AND THEN THAT COMMITTEE, THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE. AND, UH, SO IS THAT, WELL, SO THEN THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE PUBLIC INPUT, RIGHT? SO, UH, TO MR. NATO'S POINT, IF I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO, WHAT KIND OF QUALITIES, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IN THE CITY MANAGER, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN? AND, AND BETWEEN THE, WITHOUT THE NAMES BEING REVEALED BETWEEN THE CONSULTANT AT THAT POINT AND THE COMMITTEE WOULD BRING RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD AND THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNCIL, GET COUNCIL APPROVAL ON THAT AND, AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE. AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? YES. UH, SORRY, GO AHEAD. MS. HERNANDEZ, . UM, PART OF WHAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE WILL DO IS THEY WILL MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHO WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH. YEAH. AND AT THAT POINT, ONCE IT IS APPROVED, YOU WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO GO WITHIN CLOSED SESSION AND MAKE YOUR DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO DO. WHETHER YOU WANT THE, UH, PUBLIC TO HAVE INPUT BY SAY A SIMPLE QUESTIONNAIRE AS TO WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR IN FUTURE CANDIDATES. UM, ALSO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DISCUSS HOW LONG THE PROCESS WOULD BE. DISCUSSIONS ALSO WOULD BE DONE DURING THAT PERIOD AS TO SALARY REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS POSITION. UM, ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL THINGS WHERE YOU WANT THEM TO SEARCH, PARTICULARLY FOR IF, IS IT JUST SAN DIEGO? IF IT'S NATIONWIDE, UM, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THOSE PARTICULAR CANDIDATES THAT HAVE PREVIOUSLY HAD, UH, EXPERIENCE [03:20:01] AS A CITY MANAGER? ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR SOMEBODY THAT MAYBE WAS AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER? ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. SO THAT'S WHAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD BRING TO YOU WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION OF THE FIRM. GREAT. AND THEN I WOULD SUGGEST TO MR. NIETO, ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES TOO THAN TO, WE HAVE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE, SO WE HAVE MEMBER, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MOLINA. SO TALK TO HER. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR ANYTHING AT THIS STAGE? MOVE TO APPROVE. OKAY. MEMBER RODRIGUEZ. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. I REALLY JUST WANNA THANK THE WORK OF MY COLLEAGUES IN, UM, PREPARING THIS AND WORKING TO ORGANIZE THIS AND ORGANIZE THE PROCESS. I VERY MUCH LOOK FORWARD TO, TO, UM, GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, AND ALSO LOOK FORWARD TO COMMUNITY WEIGHING IN ON WHAT KIND OF INDIVIDUAL WE WOULD WANT FOR THE CITY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, MONEY. OKAY. OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE, I THOUGHT YOU WERE REACHING FOR MAKE A COMMENT. ALRIGHT THEN. WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLAN AS, UH, DETAILED ON THE STAFF REPORT. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. OKAY. THAT'S COME UP SO YOU KNOW, MORE DISCUSSION, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. SO WE WILL WORK TO DO THE INTERVIEWS, UH, OVER THIS NEXT WEEK WITH THE, UH, UH, THE DIFFERENT, UH, UH, FIRMS AND, UH, UH, AND BRING BACK A RECOMMENDATION, UH, THEN ON FOR THE 17TH. AND, UH, SO YEAH, THE MORE OF THE STUFF WE CAN GET DONE BEFORE THE BREAK, AND THEN THAT WAY THEY CAN BE DOING THEIR WORK DURING, DURING JULY. SO WE CAN HIT THE, UH, UH, HIT THE ROAD RUNNING, UH, COME AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER, MAKE THIS THING HAPPEN. OKAY? UH HUH. OKAY. UH, OKAY WITH THAT THEN, UH, ANY OTHER STAFF REPORTS? OKAY. UH, MAYOR, WE DO HAVE THE TWO SPEAKERS ON ZOOM STILL. OKAY. WE DO. AND SO, YEAH, AT THIS POINT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, WE DO ALSO HAVE, UH, [5. PUBLIC COMMENT (Part 2 of 2)] SPEAKERS FROM THE AUDIENCE. LEMME SEE IF EITHER ONE OF THEM ARE AVAILABLE. UM, , I THINK IT IS. CORILLO. DID THEY EVER, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE HERE. UH, SANNA, MARIN. OKAY, SO THOSE ARE NOT AVAILABLE. THEN WE CAN GO ONTO, UH, ZOOM. THANK YOU. BECKY WRAP. BECKY WRAP. OKAY. MADISON WRAP. HI. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I'M HERE TO RAISE A CONCERN ABOUT THE GROWING USE OF CANNABIS AND VAPING PRODUCTS AMONG THE YOUTH AND THE URGENT NEED FOR STRONGER PUBLIC HEALTH COMMUNICATION AROUND THE RISKS. NEW RESEARCH, INCLUDING A RECENT META-ANALYSIS PUBLISHED IN THE JAMA ME INTERNAL MEDICINE JOURNAL, SHOWS THAT WARNINGS FOCUSED ON THE HEALTH HARMS OF E-CIGARETTES, NOT JUST NICOTINE ADDICTION, ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EFFECTIVE AT CHANGING BEHAVIOR. THESE WARNINGS INCREASED THE AWARENESS OF RISK INTENTIONS TO QUIT, AND BELIEFS ABOUT ADDICTIVENESS AND HEALTH CONSEQUENCES. HEALTH HARM MESSAGES OUTPERFORMED NICOTINE ADDICTION WARNINGS IN NEARLY EVERY CATEGORY, INCLUDING REDUCING INTENTION TO VAPE. WHY DOES THIS MATTER? BECAUSE THE SAME PRINCIPLES APPLY TO CANNABIS. HIGH POTENCY CANNABIS VAPES ARE NOW WIDELY AVAILABLE AND OFTEN MARKETED IN SLEEK YOUTH FRIENDLY PACKAGING. MANY YOUNG PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO DON'T SMOKE CIGARETTES, REMAIN UNAWARE OF THE SERIOUS HEALTH RISKS, INCLUDING LUNG DAMAGE, CARDIOVASCULAR COMPLICATIONS, DNA DAMAGE AND INCREASED LIKELIHOOD OF ADDICTION. DESPITE ALL THIS CURRENT WARNING, LABELS ARE MINIMAL AND OFTEN FAIL TO COMMUNICATE THESE REAL DANGERS. YOUTH SEE VAPING AS SAFER, MORE DISCREET, AND SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE. AND THAT'S A PUBLIC HEALTH FAILURE. WE NEED TO ADDRESS. I URGE THE COUNCIL TO EXPLORE POLICIES REQUIRING CLEARER MORE VISIBLE HEALTH HARM WARNINGS ON CANNABIS VAPE PRODUCTS. LET'S TREAT THIS LIKE THE SERIOUS PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE IT IS, AND PROTECT OUR YOUTH WITH THE TOOLS THAT RESEARCH SHOWS ACTUALLY WORK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. BECKY. WRAP. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS BECKY RAF AND I'M A PUBLIC HEALTH EDUCATOR PARENT, AND AN ADVOCATE FOR PROTECTING YOUTH FROM THE HARMS OF DRUG USE. I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT TO EXPRESS MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR RECENT STATEMENTS BY THE DRUG ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATION, AS THEY RECENTLY LAUNCHED A YOUTH FACING [03:25:01] CAMPAIGNS SUGGESTING THAT MARIJUANA CAN POSE A GREATER RISK OF PSYCHOSIS THAN METHAMPHETAMINE. THERE'S GROWING EVIDENCE FROM MENTAL HEALTH EXPERTS TO SUPPORT THIS PSYCHIATRIST. DR. DAVID TU RECENTLY STATED THAT MARIJUANA CONSUMPTION, ESPECIALLY IN ADOLESCENTS, IS STRONGLY ASSOCIATED WITH LONG-TERM MENTAL HEALTH IMPACTS, INCLUDING PSYCHOSIS AND SCHIZOPHRENIA. AND THAT IN SOME STUDIES, THESE RISKS SURPASS THOSE LINKED TO METHAMPHETAMINE. MARIJUANA HAS BECOME EASILY ACCESSIBLE, INCREASINGLY NORMALIZED, AND SADLY MARKETED TO CHILDREN. WHILE WE TAKE URGENT ACTION TO RESTRICT METHAMPHETAMINE, WE'RE NOT SHOWING THE SAME LEVEL OF CONCERN TOWARD MARIJUANA, DESPITE ITS WELL-DOCUMENTED AND ESCALATING IMPACT ON ADOLESCENT BRAIN DEVELOPMENT AND PSYCHIATRIC OUTCOMES. I URGE THE CITY TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND SUPPORT THIS SCIENTIFIC TRUTH AND TO IMPLEMENT LOCAL POLICY AND PUBLIC EDUCATION EFFORTS THAT CLEARLY COMMUNICATE THE RISKS. YOUNG PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES DE DESERVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT EARLY AND FREQUENT MARIJUANA USE CAN LEAD TO SERIOUS LIFELONG MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. THE RISKS ARE REAL, THE SCIENCE IS GROWING, AND OUR PUBLIC RESPONSE MUST CATCH UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PEGGY WALKER. THREE. THANK YOU. AS A PUBLIC HEALTH ADVOCATE, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ADVERSE IMPACT, UH, ON OUR MOST VULNERABLE POPULATIONS OF THE CITY'S EXPANDING MARIJUANA POLICIES, INCLUDING LONGER BUSINESS HOURS. TO SHARE SOME DATA ON NATIONAL DRUG USE SURVEYS SHOWED THAT CANNABIS USE DISORDER OR CUD RATES ARE SOARING AMONG ALL YOUNG PEOPLE, BUT ESPECIALLY AMONG MINORITIES AGE 18 TO 25. AND THE SURVEY SHOWS THAT MORE THAN ONE FIFTH OF BLACKS 18 TO 25 SUFFERED. CUD. IT'S ANOTHER TERM FOR ADDICTION. GREATER RETAIL AVAILABILITY IS ASSOCIATED WITH A HIGHER PREVALENCE OF ADOLESCENTS DEPENDENCY AND PSYCHOTIC ANXIETY AND DEPRESSIVE DISORDERS. BUT LOWER SOCIOECONOMIC GROUPS ARE VULNERABLE TOO. AS THOSE EARNING LESS THAN 24,000 ANNUALLY, WERE TWICE AS LIKELY TO SMOKE POT AS THOSE WITH A HOUSEHOLD INCOME ABOVE 90,000. ACCORDING TO A GALLUP POLL, NATIONAL REPORTS SHOW THAT OLDER PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING FOUR TIMES AS MANY MARIJUANA RELATED ER VISITS INVOLVING VOMITING, PSYCHOSIS, SERIOUS DRUG INTERACTIONS, ACCELERATED HEART, LUNG, AND DEMENTIA ISSUES. FURTHER, MINORITY POT ENTREPRENEURS ARE BECOMING MIRED IN DEBT, AND THAT'S ACCORDING TO STEVEN LANGA, A SENIOR FELLOW AT THE MANHATTAN INSTITUTE THINK TANK FOR ECONOMIC SUCCESS WRITING IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL. HE SAID THAT QUOTE, THERE'S A LONG HISTORY OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS SUBSIDIZING BAD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, BUT PERMITTING POT BUSINESSES IS THE WORST. AS SCIENTIFIC STUDIES INCREASINGLY DEMONSTRATE ADVERSE HEALTH AND ECONOMIC OUTCOMES. ALL OF THESE ARE GOOD REASONS TO PULL BACK ON, NOT EXPAND MARIJUANA POLICIES. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. THAT CONCLUDES OUR ZOOM COMMENTS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WITH THAT, WE WILL GO ON TO, UH, COUNCIL COMMENTS AND, UM, WELL, WE HAD CITY MANAGER REPORT, BUT [11. CITY MANAGER’S REPORT] DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? CITY MANAGER, UM, I WOULD JUST SAY WE HAVE VERY STRESSFUL JOBS AND, UH, HUMOR CAN HELP A LOT. I WATCHED THAT IN TWO SITUATIONS TODAY AND I APPRECIATED THE BRO COMMENT BECAUSE, UH, IT'S THAT KIND OF HUMOR THAT CAN RELEASE STRESS AND KEEP US CLOSER TOGETHER AS IT SEEMS. YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE RESUSCITATED CAT? COME ON. UH, WELL, I HEARD SOME OTHER FUNNY THINGS, BUT THAT WASN'T IN THIS ROOM. SO OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD, DO [12. ELECTED OFFICIALS REPORT] COUNCIL COMMENTS. SORRY. DOWN HERE. I, MAN, I I APPRECIATE THAT, SCOTT. YOU'RE NOT GONNA LIKE THIS THEN. , GO FOR IT. UM, I REALLY WANNA THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR BRINGING BACK AN ANALYSIS FOR COMPREHENSIVE USER FEES AND COST ALLOCATION. UH, IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WOULD BENEFIT FROM, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BUSH FOR ATTENDING A PRESS CONFERENCE YESTERDAY, UM, ORGANIZED BY, UH, CONGRESSMAN VARGAS STANDING AGAINST THE ICE RAIDS IN SOUTH PARK THAT OCCURRED THIS PAST WEEK. TERRORIZING, UH, COMMUNITY WITH ICE AGENTS GOING IN AND ARRESTING FOLKS THAT WERE WORKING AND EVEN ARRESTING FOLKS THAT HAD DOCUMENTS, THEY WERE JUST ARRESTING FOLKS AT WILL. IT IS [03:30:01] COMPLETELY, UM, UH, ABHORRENT AND AT THE SAME TIME, UH, THIS, UH, UH, THIS, THIS WHITE HOUSE IS CURRENTLY PROPOSING CUTTING BLOCK GRANTS, COMMUNITY HOUSING, UH, SORRY, HOUSING FUNDING SECTION EIGHT FUNDING. UH, 60% OF SECTION EIGHT RECIPIENTS ARE SENIORS. IT IS ABSOLUTELY DEPLORABLE. AND AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'RE PROPOSING CUTTING TAXES FOR THE RICH. IT IS CRAZY TERRORIZING OUR COMMUNITY, PROPOSING TO CUT FUNDING FOR THE MOST VULNERABLE, WHICH WE HAVE MANY OF IN OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS IN ORDER TO CUT TAXES FOR THE RICH. SO, NATIONAL POLITICS, HAVING LOCAL IMPLICATIONS, WE HAVE TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY IN TIMES OF NEED. I BELIEVE THERE ARE OVER A THOUSAND INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES IN OUR COMMUNITY ALONE THAT UTILIZE OUR SECTION EIGHT PROGRAM, UM, IN THE TUNE OF TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WE CURRENTLY GET. SO THERE'S REALLY NO SUBSTITUTE FOR THAT. AND IF THAT PROPOSAL GOES THROUGH, WE'RE GOING TO SEE A MUCH MORE NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND. SO WE MUST DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SUPPORT OUR SENATE COLLEAGUES AND HOPEFULLY STOP THESE ATTACKS ON EVERYDAY WORKING FAMILIES AND FOLKS THAT ARE RETIRED IN OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU. OKAY, MEMBER. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. UM, I HAVE, UM, ANNOUNCEMENT THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY FAIR SUMMER SPECTACULAR, 2025, JUNE 11TH TO JULY 6TH. UM, GO VISIT. I ALSO HAVE, UM, MY NEWSLETTER. IT'S CALLED DISTRICT THREE. IT'S GONNA BE ON MY FACEBOOK. UM, BECAUSE PRINTING IS VERY EXPENSIVE. I HAVE THE, UH, UPDATES ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN DISTRICT THREE THAT, UH, CITY ENGINEER HAD PROVIDED. UH, I ALSO, UM, HAVE PUT THE DAYLIGHTING LAW ASSEMBLY BILL 4 1 3 'CAUSE UM, UM, MY CONSTITUENTS ARE ASKING IN THE DISTRICT. UM, ALSO SECOND AND FOUR. TUESDAYS AT 1, 2, 3 IS MY OPEN HOUSE. AND, UH, JUNE 20TH, THERE IS A FREE, UH, MOVIE AT THE PARK, UM, AS WELL AS JUNE 12TH IS THE 120 SEVENTH PHILIPPINES INDEPENDENCE DAY. UM, MY OFFICE, THE DISTRICT THREE OFFICE IS, UH, GOING TO, UH, CELEBRATE, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS BY RAISING THE PHILIPPINES PLA FLAG AND SINGING THE SANG REPUBLICAN AND PHILIPPINES. THE MAYOR WAS THERE LAST YEAR. WE DID AT THE PAR AT THE PARADISE VALLEY HOSPITAL. THIS YEAR WE'RE GONNA HOLD IT AT THE FILIPINO PLAZA ON CORNERS OF EAST PLAZA BOULEVARD IN EUCLID. 10 O'CLOCK ON, ON, UH, JUNE 12TH, THE HUNDRED 27TH PHILIPPINE INDEPENDENCE DAY. EVERYONE IS INVITED. THANK YOU, MEMBER MOLINA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I JUST WANNA INVITE THE COMMUNITY TOMORROW. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK AT IT HERE TOMORROW NIGHT FOR THE BUDGET, UH, UH, WORKSHOP. UH, PLEASE COME AND JOIN US, BEGINS AT 6:00 PM ALSO, UM, GOOD COMMENTS FROM OUR SPEAKER. MR. NIETO HAS, UH, LEFT, I THINK. BUT IF THE COMMUNITY HAS INPUT ON THE HIRING OF OUR NEXT CITY MANAGER, PLEASE COME ON THE 17TH. THAT WILL BE THE LAST MEETING, UH, BEFORE THE BREAK. UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO RECEIVE YOUR INPUT. UH, AND LASTLY, I DO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE HAPPY PRIDE MONTH. THANK YOU. RAISING THE FLAG. YOU, YOU BEAT ME TO IT. THAT, THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY ONLY ANNOUNCEMENT. HAPPY PRIDE MONTH EVERYONE. I, I, WE HAVE A POLICY ABOUT THE, UH, FLAG REASON. IT'S, IT'S ALREADY OH, IT'S ALREADY, OKAY. YEAH, SO I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE WHEN I WALKED IN. SO APPRECIATE THAT. THAT WAS POLICY WE ALREADY ADOPTED, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN. SO, UM, BUT YEAH, JUST HAPPY PRIDE MONTH AND THANK STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK, RIGHT? UH, YEAH. THE, THE FLAG IS UP. I, UH, I TALKED WITH OUR, UH, ENGINEER, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, AND YOU ASSURED ME THE FLAG WAS GONNA GO UP AND THEN THEY COULDN'T FIND THE FLAG ANYWHERE. AND SO OUR, UH, SO SOME STAFF WENT OUT SEARCHING IN STORES EVERY AND FOUND A FLAG. AND SO THE FLAG IS UP, SO AND SO. WE DID GET IT UP. AND, UH, UH, SO WITH THAT, I WOULD SUGGEST, UH, SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, UH, USER FEE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, 9.1, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TAKE THAT OUTTA YOUR BINDERS AND KEEP IT SO YOU HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH IT. SO WHEN IT COMES UP TO AUGUST. SO IT'S NOT, WELL GEE, ALL THESE NUMBERS ARE THAT WAY. YOU CAN ALREADY HAVE IT MARKED UP IF YOU DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND SO SOME, SOME GOOD LATE NIGHT READING DURING, DURING, UH, JULY AND, UH, FOR YOU. UM, SO I WOULD SUGGEST TAKE THAT OUT SO, UH, SO THAT WE CAN, UH, HAVE SOME MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION ON THAT WHEN WE BRING THAT BACK ON THE FOURTH, WASN'T IT? FIFTH, FIFTH. FIFTH, THE FIFTH. AND ON THAT ONE. UH, SO ANYWAY, UM, ON THAT, I'M TRYING TO THINK. I HAD SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS NOW. SO WE WILL, WE WILL GO WITH THAT. UH, WITH THAT, I'M [13. CITY ATTORNEY REPORT] GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE, UH, UH, CITY ATTORNEY AND, UH, REPORT OUT A CLOSED SESSION. THANK YOU, [03:35:01] MARY MAYOR. THERE WERE, UH, TWO ITEMS FOR CLOSED SESSION. THE FIRST INVOLVED A WORKERS' COMP CLAIM, AND COUNSEL AUTHORIZED THE SETTLEMENT OF $52,200. THE CLAIMANT WAS, UH, RICHARD FLORES, AND THE VOTE WAS FOUR ZERO WITH, UM, UH, VICE MAYOR BUSH ABSENT. AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM INVOLVED CONFERENCE WITH, UH, LABOR NEGOTIATORS. AND THE COUNCIL DID GIVE DIRECTION TO THE NEGOTIATORS, AND THAT CONCLUDES IT. OKAY. UM, AND I, I DID JUST THINK ABOUT THE OTHER THING IS THAT EVERYONE MIGHT WANT TO KIND OF KEEP AN EYE ON THEIR CALENDARS, UH, IN CASE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO GET FOR THE, UH, UH, BUDGET AND EVERYTHING ELSE, ALL PUT TOGETHER FOR THE 17TH, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE ONE ADOPTED BY THE FIRST. SO THERE MIGHT NEED TO BE, DURING THAT LAST WEEK AREA, MIGHT NEED TO BE A, A SPECIAL MEETING JUST FOR THAT. YEAH. AND WE'LL TRY TO WORK WITH EVERYONE'S CALENDARS. THANK YOU, MR. I THINK I, I MENTIONED THAT I WILL BE OUT THE LAST WEEK OF JUNE FOLLOWING OUR CALENDAR. YEAH. SO IF WE CAN GET EVERYTHING DONE BEFORE THAT. YEAH, WE DO 70, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THE 24TH, SO IT'S NOT IN THAT LAST WEEK ALSO. AND, UH, SO, UH, YEAH, YEAH, NO, WE PLAN OUR VACATIONS ACCORDINGLY. OKAY. NO, I KNOW, I KNOW. YEAH, WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST, BUT IF WE CAN'T, UH, GET THAT, UH, GET THAT TOGETHER AND ALSO DEPENDING ON LABOR NEGOTIATIONS, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON, UH, SO, SO THAT WE WON'T HAVE TO DRAG INTO A MEETING IN JULY, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH EVERYONE'S CALENDARS. I JUST WANNA BRING THAT UP. IT JUST A POSSIBILITY WITH THAT. UH, WE, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, SO WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL, UH, THE 17TH. THANK YOU, MAYOR, UNTIL TOMORROW. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.