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UH, FIRST I WOULD ASK EVERYBODY TO PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
[Call To Order]
AT 6:00 PM TO ORDER A LIVE WEBCAST OF THIS MEETING MAY BE VIEWED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AT HT TPS PS SLASH SLASH WWW NATIONAL CITY CA.GOV/WEBCAST.THE NOTICE AGENDA AND INFORMATION ON THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY'S WEBSITE INFORMS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY MAY SUBMIT PUBLIC COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.
FIRST, BY EMAIL AT PLC PUB, COMMENT@NATIONALCITYCA.GOV NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING.
SECOND VIA ZOOM BY PRE-REGISTERING TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE, NO LATER THAN FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING AT HTTPS SLASH SLASH NATIONAL CITY CA.GOV/PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIRD, THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE COMMENTS IN PERSON AT THE MEETING.
ALL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED WILL BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS APPROPRIATE PRIOR TO THEIR RESPECTIVE MEETINGS AND PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
IF RECEIVED BY THE DEADLINE, I REQUEST THE PLANNING COMMISSION SECRETARY TO NOW PROCEED WITH ROLL CALL VICE CHAIR CASTLE.
I WILL NOW HAVE COMMISSIONER FOREMAN LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN.
[1. Approval of Excused/Unexcused Absence of Claudia Valenzuela on September 16, 2024]
ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF EXCUSED OR UN UNEXCUSED ABSENCES, UH, OF COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA FOR SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2024.MEETING, UH, COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE ADVISE THE COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, AS TO WHY YOU WERE ABSENT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2024.
IF IT WAS DUE TO MEDICAL OR FAMILY REASONS, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM STATING ANYTHING OTHER THAN MEDICAL OR FAMILY.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO EXCUSE OR NOT EXCUSE.
COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA'S ABSENCE.
PLEASE STATE WHAT YOU CHOOSE IN THE MOTION, EITHER EXCUSED OR UNEXCUSED.
MAY YOU JUST DO THAT MOTION ON THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ TO EXCUSE, UH, COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA FOR THE SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
CAN YOU GUYS MAKE YOUR MOTION? WE'LL HAVE TO DO MOTIONS AGAIN.
ABSTAIN ONE BY, UH, VALENZUELA AND KES ABSENT.
[2. Approval of Excused/Unexcused Absence of Pearl Quinones on October 7, 2024 ]
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OF EXCUSED OR UNEXCUSED ABSENCE OF COMMISSIONER QUINONE FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING OF OCTOBER 7TH, 2024.I DISCLOSED THAT COMMISSIONER QUINONE HAD NOTIFIED MADAM SECRETARY ON AUGUST 7TH, 2024 OF HER ABSENCE FROM THE OCTOBER 7TH, 2024 MEETING DUE TO BEING OUT OF TOWN UNTIL OCTOBER 9TH, 2024.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO EXCUSE OR NOT EXCUSE.
COMMISSIONER QUIN JONAS'S ABSENCE PLEASE STATE IN YOUR MOTION, UH, EITHER EXCUSED OR UNEXCUSED.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ TO EXCUSE COMMISSIONER QUINONE FROM THE OCTOBER 7TH, 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION APPROVED BY ALL COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
WE WILL NOW HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS OR MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA UNDER STATE LAW.
WE CANNOT RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND ITEMS REQUIRING PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION.
THESE ITEMS MUST BE BROUGHT BACK ON A SUBSEQUENT AGENDA UNLESS THEY ARE OF A DEMONSTRATED EMERGENCY OR URGENT NATURE.
MADAM SECRETARY, ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO TONIGHT'S AGENDA? NOT TONIGHT.
[3. Approval of the Agenda for the Meeting on October 7, 2024]
ITEM THREE IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA OF THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF OCTOBER 7TH, 2024.UH, IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, DO I HEAR A MOTION? SO MOVED.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASSON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARMENTA TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE MOTION, THE RESULTS OF THE MOTION.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY BY ALL COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
[4. Approval of Minutes from the Meeting of September 16, 2024]
AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2024.IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I, UH, YES.
YEAH, THIS IS SECTION, UH, NUMBER FIVE, PLEASE.
THERE WAS A PUBLIC, UH, HEARING ABOUT THE, THE SCHOOL, UH, NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD, AND WHEN WE GOT AROUND TO THE TOPIC OF, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING, IT WAS REPEATED BY, UH, MANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS, THIS REFERENCE TO 25 MILES AN HOUR, WHICH, AND THE ENGINEER SAID, I, I CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW DETAILED YOU GET IN WITH THE MINUTES OF OUR DISCUSSIONS, BUT I FELT LIKE IT WAS A REPEATED TOPIC THAT DID IN SOME SENSE GET APPROVED AND THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE, UH, RECOGNIZED IN THE MINUTES.
SO CAN THE MINUTES PLEASE REFLECT? SO IF YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE INCLUSION OF THAT DISCUSSION, WE COULD DO THAT, AND THEN WE CAN ADD THAT AFTER.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE LAST MONTH'S MEETING MINUTES WITH, UH, THE ADDITION OF 25 MILES PER HOUR TRAFFIC COMING, BEING MENTIONED FOR THE SCHOOL THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED ON NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD.
CAN WE MAKE THAT MOTION ON THE MONITORS, PLEASE? OKAY.
SO, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN, YOU'LL GO FIRST TO MAKE THE MOTION ON YOUR, ON YOUR MONITOR.
COMMISSIONER FOREMAN'S NOT WORKING.
UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER FOREMAN AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED FOR SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2024.
THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
OH, I THOUGHT I PRESSED IT NOW.
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CAN MADAM SECRETARY PLEASE BE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE? MOTION APPROVED.[5. Determination that the project is categorically exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) under Class 1 of the CEQA guidelines Section 15301 (Existing Facilities) and Conditional Use Permit for the sale of beer, wine, and distilled spirits (ABC TYPE-21) at an existing grocery store (Manolo Farmers Market) located at 303 Highland Avenue. Case File No.: 2024-11 CUP APN: 556-180-23-00]
MOVE TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.UH, THIS IS THE TIME AND THE PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO CONSIDER.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
CQA UNDER CLASS SEVEN OF THE CE A GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 1, EXISTING FACILITIES AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF BEER, WINE AND DISTILLED SPIRITS.
A, B, C TYPE 21 AT AN EXISTING GROCERY STORE.
MANALOW FARMER'S MARKET, LOCATED AT 3 0 3 HIGHLAND AVENUE.
BEFORE WE BEGIN, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES REFERRING TO THIS HEARING? THIS IS EACH PLANNING COMMISSION'S OPPORTUNITY TO DISCLOSE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, PROPERTY INSPECTIONS, EX PARTE CONTACTS OR COMMUNICATIONS, ET CETERA.
UM, COMMISSIONER ARMINTA, UH, SO I GO BY THERE AND SHOP AT MANOLO'S REGULARLY, AND I DID DO A PROPERTY INSPECTION TODAY, AND I SPOKE WITH, UH, MR. CHRIS AND MCC CONNIE.
UM, IT'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM MY HOUSE.
I SHOP THERE ALL THE TIME, AND I LIVE WITHIN 500 FEET, SO I WILL BE RECUSING MYSELF FROM THIS.
UH, COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ, I ALSO HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
I LIVE WITHIN 500 FEET, SO I WILL ALSO BE RECUSING MYSELF.
UM, I WENT TO THE PROPERTY AND TOOK A LOOK AT IT.
SO ARE YOU GONNA, DO YOU WANT US TO WALK DOWN? YES.
SO THE, THE TWO COMMISSION MEMBERS WILL, UH, STEP, UH, OFF THE DAAS.
MADAM SECRETARY OF THE NOTICES IS REQUIRED BY LAW BEEN GIVEN.
AND DO WE HAVE THE COMPLETE FILE OF EXHIBITS, CORRESPONDENCE AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YES.
WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM FOR US.
PLANNING COMMISSIONERS THE PUBLIC.
MY NAME IS SOPHIA DEPUY AND I AM THE ASSISTANT PLANNER.
TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF BEER, WINE, AND SPIRITS AT AN EXISTING GROCERY STORE.
MANOLO FARMER'S MARKET, LOCATED AT 3 0 3 HIGHLAND AVENUE.
THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE SITE.
YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING GROCERY STORE AND PARKING AREA.
THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE STORE FROM HIGHLAND AVENUE.
AND THEN HERE'S THE STREET VIEW, JUST SHOWING THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE GROCERY STORE.
SO THE SITE IS AROUND 3.3 ACRES.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF HIGHLAND AVENUE BETWEEN EAST SECOND AND EAST FOURTH STREET.
MANOLO IS AN EXISTING 27,000 SQUARE FOOT GROCERY STORE, AND THE SITE IS LOCATED IN THE MINOR MIXED USE CORRIDOR ZONE DISTRICT.
MANOLO IS SURROUNDED BY A MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES WITH MORE OF THE COMMERCIAL USES LOCATED LONG HIGHLAND.
MANOLA ALSO ALREADY HAS AN EXISTING CUP FOR BEER AND WINE SINCE 1990.
THEY WERE ALSO APPROVED IN 2000 FOR EXTENDED HOURS.
SO THE BUSINESS IS PROPOSING TO UPGRADE THEIR A BC LICENSE TO SELL DISTILLED SPIRITS IN ADDITION TO BEER AND WINE.
AS I MENTIONED, THEY HAVE AN APPROVED CUP SINCE 1990 TO SELL BEER AND WINE AT THE STORE.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO SELL ALCOHOL FROM 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM DAILY.
MANOLA ALREADY HAS 408 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA DEDICATED TO THE EXISTING BEER AND WINE, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING AN ADDITIONAL 64 SQUARE FEET FOR THE PROPOSED DISTILLED SPIRITS, WHICH WILL BE LOCATED BEHIND THE SALES COUNTER.
THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE FLOOR PLAN.
THE EXIT ALONG THE TOP IS LOCATED CLOSEST TO HIGHLAND AVENUE, AND THEN THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS
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LOCATED TO THE LEFT NEAR THE PARKING AREA.AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY ALREADY HAVE A BEER COOLER LOCATED IN THE BACK OF THE STORE AND A FEW SMALL WINE DISPLAYS THROUGHOUT.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DISTILLED SPIRITS, WHICH WILL BE LOCATED BEHIND THE COUNTER.
SO MOVING ON TO STAFF'S ANALYSIS, THE CODE ALLOWS FOR ALCOHOL SALES FOR OFFSITE CONSUMPTION IN THE MXC ONE ZONE WITH AN APPROVED CUP.
THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO ALCOHOL CUBS, WHICH INCLUDES EXPANDED MAILING FOR ALL OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS WITHIN 660 FEET OF THE SITE.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUIRED TO HOLD A COMMUNITY MEETING, WHICH THEY HELD ON JULY 8TH.
THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR ALCOHOL CS, BUT THEY'RE NOT APPLICABLE TO GROCERY STORES.
THE SITE IS LOCATED IN CENSUS TRACT ONE 18.02, WHERE THERE ARE CURRENTLY FOUR OFF SALE LICENSES AND A TOTAL OF FOUR ARE RECOMMENDED BY A BC.
BUT THE APPLICANT IS ALREADY ONE OF THE FOUR EXISTING LICENSES, SO NO ADDITIONAL LICENSES WILL BE ADDED TO THAT CENSUS TRACT.
THE PROJECT WILL ALSO ADHERE TO CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7, WHICH WE ADDRESSED WITH STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM CQA CLASS ONE EXISTING FACILITIES.
WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY PROVIDED A RISK ASSESSMENT, WHICH GAVE THE PROJECT 11 POINTS.
ANYTHING BELOW 12 IS CONSIDERED LOW RISK.
WE ALSO RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC STRATEGIES THEY RECOMMENDED IN-PERSON RESPONSIBLE BEVERAGE TRAINING, DAILY REMOVAL OF LITTER AND GRAFFITI SIGNAGE RELATED TO THE SALE OF ALCOHOL TO PEOPLE UNDER THE AGES OF 21, AND SIGNS PROHIBITING OPEN CONTAINERS AND LOITERING ON THE PREMISES.
THESE CONDITION, OR SORRY, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE INCORPORATED INTO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDED STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WHICH INCLUDES CONDITIONS SPECIFIC TO OFFSITE ALCOHOL SALES PER CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7.
THOSE INCLUDE HOURS OF OPERATION, RESPONSIBLE BEVERAGE TRAINING AND ACCESSORY ALCOHOL SALES.
WE ALSO INCLUDED APPLICATION SPECIFIC CONDITIONS, INCLUDING THE APP.
THE APPLICANT WILL MAINTAIN THE CONDITIONS OF THE EXISTING COP FROM 2000.
WE INCLUDED IPSS COMMENTS RELATED TO SIGNAGE, GRAFFITI, AND LITTER.
AND STAFF ALSO INCLUDED A CONDITION STATING THAT THE DISTILLED SPIRITS WILL BE STORED IN A LOCKABLE CABINET BEHIND THE SALES COUNTER.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE FLOOR PLAN, THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE DISTILLED SPIRITS IS LOCATED PRETTY CLOSE TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND EXIT.
SO THAT'S WHY STAFF INCLUDED THAT ADDITIONAL CONDITION.
IN SUMMARY, THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
ALCOHOL SALES FOR OFFSITE CONSUMPTION ARE A CONDITIONALLY ALLOWED USE IN THE MXC ONE ZONE.
ALCOHOL SALES WILL REMAIN ACCESSORY TO THE GROCERY STORE, WHICH IS AN AN ALREADY ESTABLISHED COMMERCIAL AREA.
THERE'S ALREADY THE INCLUSION OF CONDITIONS CONSISTENT WITH CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7, WHICH ARE INTENDED TO ALLEVIATE ANY CONCERNS RELATED TO IMPACTS ON THE AREA.
AND WE ALSO ADDRESSED IPSS COMMENTS IN THE CONDITIONS.
THE OPTIONS TONIGHT ARE TO FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CE A AND APPROVE THE CUP BASED ON THE FINDINGS, OR FIND THE PROJECT NOT EXEMPT FROM CE A AND DENY THE CUP BASED ON THE FINDINGS OR CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THIS CUP IF APPROVED.
A NOTICE OF DECISION WILL BE FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY.
UH, I INVITE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THEIR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION.
WHAT IS YOUR NAME, SIR? GOOD AFTERNOON.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, MANOLO FARMER'S MARKET.
I'M ALSO JOINED BY MANOLO'S, UH, MANAGER, WHO IS, UH, STILL SEATED.
I WILL GIVE MY SHORT PRESENTATION AND THEN, UH, I CAN INVITE HER TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF NECESSARY.
UM, MANOLO'S FARMER'S MARKET HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR OVER 33
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YEARS, UH, AS STAFF, UH, SHOWED THAT THEIR EXISTING LICENSE HAS BEEN IN SINCE 1990.UH, PRESUMABLY, OH, YOU CAN MOVE THIS UP.
UH, SINCE THE STORE'S INCEPTION, THIS PARTICULAR OWNER HAS BEEN THERE SINCE THEN.
THEY'VE HAD A VERY GOOD RECORD OF, UH, CATERING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FOR THEIR GROCERY NEEDS, THEIR HOUSEHOLD GOOD ITEMS, AND, UH, EVEN THEIR ALCOHOL NEEDS.
THE IDEA BEHIND THE APPLYING FOR THIS, UH, PARTICULAR LICENSE IS TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONVENIENCE FOR THEIR EXISTING CUSTOMERS.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF CUSTOMERS THAT COME IN AND DO A LOT OF THEIR SHOPPING FOR THEIR GROCERIES.
THEY HAVE A, UM, BAKERY AREA, DELI AREA, AND THEY LIKE TO HAVE A ONE STOP SHOP.
THEY DO, UH, HAVE THE ABILITY TO PURCHASE, UH, BEER AND WINE, WHICH STAFF SHOWED THERE IS A, UH, COOLER AREA AND SOME SMALL DISPLAYS, UH, AROUND THE STORE.
BUT THEY ALSO HAVE BEEN IN NEED FOR DISTILLED SPIRITS, WHICH IS A, A TYPE 21 LICENSE.
UM, UH, THE, UH, AGAIN, IT IS NOT MEANT TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT ADDITION TO THIS STORE.
IT IS MEANT TO HAVE A SMALL AREA, UH, AS WAS SHOWN BEHIND THE COUNTER THAT CAN JUST SORT OF ALLOW FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE CONVENIENCE FOR THE, UM, THE CUSTOMERS THAT, THAT COME IN.
THE, THIS STORE HAS HAD A LONG HISTORY, UH, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR, BEING A GOOD, UH, BUSINESS IN THE CITY.
UM, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY, THERE HAVE BEEN ANY ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RELATED TO ALCOHOL OR ANYTHING ELSE.
THEY CATER TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND HAVE DONE SO FOR MANY YEARS.
UM, ONE OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WAS REGARDING SIGNAGE.
AND THE STORE HAS ALREADY STARTED, UH, MAKING SIGNS, UH, THAT SAY NO LOITERING, NO LITTERING, NO DRINKING, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
AND THESE WILL BE PLACED AROUND THE STORE.
IT'S BRAND NEW, SO, UH, IT'LL BE UP BY TOMORROW.
THERE ARE A FEW MORE OF THOSE.
AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, THERE ARE NO ISSUES WITH THAT.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD ADHERE TO AND, UH, AGREE THAT IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CUSTOMERS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT LARGE.
UM, I, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ASK IF, UH, APPLICANT'S MANAGER CAN COME UP AND, AND SAY A FEW WORDS IF THE THAT'S OKAY WITH THE COMMISSIONERS.
SHE, SHE'S SEATED RIGHT OVER, OF COURSE.
YOU HAVE 15 MINUTES TOTAL FOR THIS.
SHOULD I SIT WHILE SHE TALKS? IT'S UP TO YOU.
UM, AND I'VE BEEN A MANAGER SINCE DAY ONE SINCE WE OPENED.
WE NEVER HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FOR SOME CUSTOMERS.
THE THE MAIN QUESTION IS WHY THE OTHER STORES HAVE A LIQUOR STORE AND YOU DON'T HAVE IT.
SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS FOR A CONVENIENCE OF OUR CUSTOMERS TO PLEASE THEM TO HAVE A, A, A SMALL DISPLAY FOR THE BATTLES AND BEHIND BE BEHIND COUNTER.
I THINK MS. LILY SAW WE SHOW HER.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO, TO ADD TO THAT, JUST, UH, AS SHE SAID, THE, UH, ALCOHOL WILL BE BEHIND THAT FRONT COUNTER.
IT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE TO ANYBODY BESIDES EMPLOYEES.
IT IS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE WALL.
IT'S NOT LIKE WHERE THE BEER AND WINE IS SELF-SERVICE.
THIS DOES HAVE TO BE REQUESTED UPON, UH, IF IT'S APPROVED.
UM, CAN I ASK FOR ONE OF THE, UH, THE PICTURES OF THE, UH, STORE THAT SHOWS THE ENTRANCES AND EXITS? I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
WHERE DO YOU WANT THE FLOOR PLAN, SIR? THE, EXCUSE ME? YES.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, JUST TO MAKE SURE, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS UNDERSTAND.
SO THAT EXIT THAT'S TOWARDS HIGHLAND AVENUE, THAT'S THERE, THAT IS AN EXIT, BUT IT IS CLOSED AT ALL TIMES.
THE SHOPPING CARTS ARE PUT IN THAT, THAT OPEN SPACE THERE, AND IT IS CLOSED OFF SO CUSTOMERS DON'T GO IN AND OUT FROM THAT SIDE.
UH, BUT THERE IS THE OTHER, THE MAIN ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONT, AND THEN THE ONE ON THE SIDE WHICH BOTH, UH, FACE THE PARKING LOT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, WHERE THAT IS.
AND OF COURSE, THE DISTILLED SPIRITS WOULD BE BEHIND THAT, UH, THAT COUNTER AREA.
UM, THAT, UH, THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR MY PRESENTATION.
UM, WE'LL NOW HEAR LIVE FROM, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.
EACH PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A MAXIMUM TIME OF THREE MINUTES.
AND I HAVE A NUMBER OF, UM, ITEMS HERE, A NUMBER OF, UH, SPEAKER SLIPS.
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IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER, I'M GOING TO CALL THE NAME OF THOSE WHO INDICATED CHAIRMAN MILLER.I JUST HAVE ONE MORE PLEASE OF THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO, UM, SPEAK.
I'M GOING TO CALL ON RITA NSU.
PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE, UH, YOUR OPPOSITION.
UM, WE OWN THE LIQUOR STORE, LA COSTA LIQUOR ACROSS THE STREET.
WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 30 YEARS.
UM, MY HUSBAND RUNS A BUSINESS.
UM, WE ARE OPEN FROM 10:00 AM TILL 2:00 AM EVERY DAY.
UM, OUR ONLY CONCERN IS, UM, TO BEING THAT MY HUSBAND, WELL, WE'VE BEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR, LIKE I SAID, 30 YEARS, AND I JUST, WE HAVE A VERY STRONG CONNECTION WITH A LOT OF THE FAMILIES.
MY HUSBAND HAS WATCHED MANY OF THE KIDS GROW UP IN THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.
HE HAS WORKED WITH THE NATIONAL CITY POLICE SEVERAL TIMES FOR INCIDENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED.
UM, ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS IS HE KNOWS A LOT OF THE CUSTOMERS AND THEIR CHILDREN BY NAME.
MANY CHILDREN KNOW NOT TO COME IN AND PURCHASE LIQUOR BECAUSE THEY KNOW MY HUSBAND KNOWS THEM AND THEIR PARENTS.
UM, AND HE'S VERY DILIGENT ABOUT NOT SELLING TO MINORS.
IT'S ONE OF, YOU KNOW, ONE OF HIS BIG THINGS THAT HE STANDS BEHIND.
AND WHEN HE HIRES EMPLOYEES TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE ARE NOT SELLING TO MINERS.
AND I THINK HE'S JUST AT A HUGE ADVANTAGE BEING A SMALL MARKET OR A SMALL LIQUOR STORE.
HE KNOWS ALL OF THE CUSTOMERS AND HE KNOWS WHO TO AND WHO NOT TO SELL TO.
AND WE WORRY WITH A GROCERY STORE OF THAT SIZE, UM, WITH SEVERAL CASHIERS DIFFERENT AND CASHIERS DAILY, UM, THAT, THAT COULD KIND OF BE LOST IN THE SHUFFLE.
AND WE REALLY PRIDE ON MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE KEEPING THE COMMUNITY SAFE.
UM, A LOT OF THE KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE I SAID, HE'S SEEN THEM GROW UP.
WE'VE BEEN TO WEDDINGS, WE'VE BEEN TO QUINCEANERAS, WE'VE BEEN TO ALL THEIR FAMILY EVENTS, BIRTHDAY PARTIES.
AND, UM, IT, WE JUST WORRY, WE WORRY THAT A GROCERY STORE OF THAT SIZE SELLING WILL THE, I GUESS THE VALIDITY OF IT WILL GET LOST IN THAT, OF THAT CAPACITY IN A STORE OF THAT CAPACITY.
UH, NEXT I'M CALLING ON CHRISTIAN CALITA.
CHRISTIAN CALITA NOT GONNA TALK.
CAROLYN NICHOLS, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
I'VE BEEN PASTOR IN THE CITY FOR ABOUT 50 YEARS, AND I DEAL WITH THE OTHER SIDE OF HARD LIQUOR.
UM, I DEAL WITH VERY YOUNG PEOPLE, YOUNG FATHERS WHO ARE ADDICTED, WHO HAVE TO GO TO REHAB TO, UM, BE RELIEVED OF THEIR PROBLEM, FATHERS OF YOUNG CHILDREN.
AND THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN IS MAKING IT EVEN MORE AVAILABLE.
I NOTED THAT THERE IS A LIQUOR STORE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE MARKET, AND TO BRING MORE LIQUOR INTO THE SAME AREA SEEMS REDUNDANT.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT FOOD TRUCKS THAT FREQUENT THAT AREA, THAT THAT WOULD MAKE HARD LIQUOR VERY AVAILABLE TO THOSE PEOPLE.
AND THERE MIGHT BE ON SITE DRINKING, NOT ON THE SITE OF THE MARKET, BUT UM, WITH THE FOOD THAT THEY HAD PURCHASED.
AND THEN I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THEM DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE WHICH WOULD AFFECT ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY.
I WISH THAT, UM, IT WOULD NOT HAPPEN TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE THAT ARE ADDICTED OR SEEKING A QUICK WAY TO BUY IT.
AND I NOTICED THAT IT'LL BE LOCATED VERY CLOSE TO THE ENTRANCE SO PEOPLE COULD GO IN QUICKLY, PURCHASE, PURCHASE IT, AND EXIT.
NEXT I'M CALLING ON, UH, JASON LYONS.
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HOW YOU DOING? I'M JASON LYONS AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT.I'VE LIVED IN NATIONAL CITY FOR 47 YEARS.
I REMEMBER WHEN SAFEWAY USED TO CONSUME WHERE MANOLO NOW IS.
UM, I LIVE A COUPLE BLOCKS AWAY.
YOU KNOW, I AM A FAN OF MANOLO MARKET.
I'M ALSO A FAN OF LA CASA LIQUOR.
SAL IS LIKE FAMILY TO THE COMMUNITY.
HE'S DONE A LOT TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTIES, PUT A NICE MURAL OUTSIDE PEOPLE VISIT, TAKE PICTURES WITH.
I'M A FAN OF SMALL BUSINESS AND ANYTHING LIKE A LARGE CORPORATION COMING IN THAT MIGHT THREATEN A SMALL BUSINESS I'M NOT A FAN OF.
AND I THINK IT IS REDUNDANT TO HAVE THEM SUPPLY, YOU KNOW, SPIRITS WHEN BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
THEY COULD REFER ANYBODY THAT WANTS THAT ACROSS THE STREET TO LA COSTA LIQUOR.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE ACTION FOR SMALL BUSINESS.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF VACANCIES UP AND DOWN HIGHLANDS.
SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO PROMOTE SMALL BUSINESS AND NOT HURT SMALL BUSINESS? AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
NEXT, UH, I'D LIKE TO CALL ON LUMA HADAD.
I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE YOUTH OF NATIONAL CITY FOR THE PAST 27 YEARS.
I'LL BE CELEBRATING 25 YEARS OF BEING A DIRECTOR OF YOUNG LIFE HERE IN NATIONAL CITY IN THE MONTH OF JUNE.
WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH TODAY'S HEARING? WELL, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT I HAVE SEEN YOUNG PEOPLE DESTROY THEIR LIVES WITH ALCOHOL.
NATIONAL CITY DOESN'T NEED ANOTHER LIQUOR LINE SINCE, BUT IT DOES NEED SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS LIKE THE NASO FAMILY WHO HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE NATIONAL CITY COMMUNITY FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS.
NATIONAL CITY DOESN'T NEED ANOTHER, UM, LIQUOR LICENSE BECAUSE THESE LARGE MARKETS THAT TEND TO OFFER LIQUOR ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE COMMUNITY NEIGHBORS AND YOUNG PEOPLE.
THE, THE NSU FAMILY KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS, MY NAME.
THEY HIRE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY HAVE ALLOWED THE COMMUNITY TO BE A PART OF THEIR STORE.
THEY KNOW IF A MINOR IS TRYING TO BUY ALCOHOL AND THEY HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE NATIONAL CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE LARGE MARKET DOESN'T REPRESENT THE INDIVIDUAL CARE THAT A SMALL BUSINESS WOULD HAVE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
MR. NSU HIMSELF WORKS ALMOST DAILY IN HIS STORE, AND USUALLY THAT'S NOT THE CASE FOR LARGE MARKET OWNERS WHO OWN MULTIPLE BUSINESSES.
THE NSU FAMILY HAS OP ALSO OPENED THEIR HOME FOR EVENTS THAT PROMOTE A SPACE FOR STUDENTS ALL ACROSS SAN DIEGO TO FEEL, UM, SAFE AND BELONG THROUGH YOUNG LIFE MINISTRY.
THEY PROHIBIT ANY TYPE OF ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION WITH MINORS BECAUSE THEY CARE FOR THEIR WELLBEING.
AND AS MRS. NSU NSU TOLD YOU, SHE'S BEEN IN THE EDUCATION FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS AS WELL.
WE NEED MORE FAMILIES LIKE THE NSOS INSTEAD OF LARGE MARKET OWNERS WHO ARE FAR REMOVED FROM THE COMMUNITY GAINING ON THEIR CAPITAL.
UH, NEXT, UH, I'D LIKE LANDON'S SLU? YES.
I OWN A LIQUOR STORE ACROSS THE STREET NAMED LA CASA LIQUOR.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS AND I'VE SEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GO UP AND DOWN.
AND RIGHT NOW IT'S AT A GOOD SPOT BECAUSE NASHVILLE CITY POLICE BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB.
AND MANOLA IS ACROSS THE STREET, USED TO BE CALLED FOOD LAND BEFORE FOOD OR FOOD LAND CHANGED TO MANOLOS.
AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THINGS THAT, UM, LIKE BEER RUNS.
I'VE SEEN SEVERAL OF 'EM GO BY BECAUSE THEY DO THE BEER RUNS AND GO RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY STORE.
AND THESE GUYS WANT TO GET LIQUOR.
I HEARD FROM A REALLY GOOD SOURCE THAT THEY WANT TO GET A LIQUOR LICENSE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA TEAR THAT WHOLE THING DOWN.
THEY'RE GONNA PUT APARTMENT COMPLEX AND BUILD A LITTLE MINI MARKET AND THEN BUILD A LIQUOR STORE THERE.
AND THAT'S FROM A REALLY GOOD SOURCE
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THAT I HEARD.SO THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THE TYPE 21 LICENSE RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING TO OPEN UP A LIQUOR STORE.
WE HAVE MY LIQUOR STORE ACROSS THE STREET.
WE HAVE A LIQUOR STORE DOWN THE HILL.
WE HAVE A LIQUOR STORE UP THE HILL, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER STORE DOWN THE HILL FROM ME.
I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED NO MORE LIQUOR STORES.
IT'S JUST WAY EASIER FOR KIDS TO GO IN THERE AND STEAL IT AND WALK OUT AND RUN OUT WITH MY LIQUOR STORE.
THEY ALWAYS COME IN THERE AND TRY TO BUY ALCOHOL.
AND I'VE GOT SEVERAL, SEVERAL, AND I DIDN'T, I FORGOT 'EM.
I GOT SEVERAL, UH, UH, NOTICES THAT, THAT THANK ME FOR NOT SELLING ALCOHOL TO MINORS THAT THEY SEND IN AS DECOYS.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER LIQUOR LICENSE IN THE NATIONAL CITY.
NATIONAL CITY'S CRIME RATE WENT DOWN A LOT, AND IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE MAINTAINING OUR, OUR CITY.
SO WE JUST WANNA KEEP IT NICE AND CLEAN AND WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER LIQUOR STORE.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
UM, I WANT TO READ INTO THE RECORD A LETTER WE GOT OR, UH, AN EMAIL, UH, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, IN OPPOSITION TO THIS BY THE RESO OHANA SIGNED BY MOMI RESO.
I REQUEST, UH, THE MADAM SECRETARY TO PROCEED WITH DISCLOSING IF ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OTHER THAN THE ONE I READ UNDER THE RECORD, UH, WERE RECEIVED IN WRITING.
MADAM SECRETARY, I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE DID RECEIVE A PUBLIC COMMENT AT 2:56 PM UM, BUT IT WAS PAST DEADLINE.
WOULD STAFF, UH, LIKE TO MAKE, UH, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? UM, STAFF WOULD JUST LIKE TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FOR, FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE TONIGHT FOR THIS ITEM IN THE NEXT, UH, AS WELL AS THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF MENTION OF, YOU KNOW, FUTURE LIQUOR STORE GOING IN, ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THAT SITE, NEW BUSINESSES THAT WOULD REQUIRE A CUP.
SO YOU'D SEE IT ONCE AGAIN BEFORE YOU, IF THEY MAY CHANGE THIS TO THAT SITE.
DOES THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO WISH TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS IN RESPONSE TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY? PLEASE.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO JUST PIGGYBACK, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE WERE SAYING EARLIER.
THIS, UH, PARTICULAR BUSINESS IS A, UH, IT IS NOT A MAJOR CORPORATION.
UM, AS, UH, THE, THE MANAGER THAT SPOKE EARLIER, SHE'S BEEN HERE HERSELF FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
THEY KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
UH, MOST OF THE, THE EMPLOYEES ARE ALSO EMPLOYED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO AGAIN, IT IS NOT TO REPLACE ANY OTHER STORES OR TO ADD ANY EXTRA, UH, ISSUES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN THE CITY.
UH, JUST AS THE STAFF, UH, SHOWED IT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE BEER AND WINE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.
AND IT WOULD JUST BE A SMALL SECTION THAT WOULD BE THERE JUST TO, FOR CONVENIENCE OF THE CUSTOMERS.
AND, UM, WITH THAT, THANK YOU.
UH, DO ANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER ARMINTA, PLEASE? I DO.
UM, FOR THE REPRESENTATIVE OF, UH, MANOLO, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND I APPRECIATE, UM, MS. CONNIE BEING HERE.
UH, BUT THE OWNERS ARE NOT HERE.
UH, I, DURING THE SITE INSPECTION, I NOTICED THAT, UH, IT'S LISTED ALL OVER THE ENTRANCES.
UH, THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS START AT 6:00 AM AND THE LICENSES FOR SEVEN.
SO DOES THAT MEAN THE OLD STORE WILL OPEN AT SIX AND THERE WILL BE NO ALCOHOL SALES DURING THAT FIRST HOUR? THAT IS CORRECT.
ALL THE CLERKS, UH, HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT ANYTHING BETWEEN SIX AND SEVEN, THERE WON'T BE ANY ALCOHOL SALES AS, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN I DID SEE, UM, THE ONLY, UH, AS PER THE FLOOR PLAN, THE ONLY DISTILL OR ALL DISTILLED SPIRITS WILL BE BEHIND, SO THE CURRENT EXISTING COUNTER WILL MOVE FORWARD.
SO THERE CAN BE ENOUGH SPACE AND IT'LL BE LOCKED.
UM, I KNOW THERE WAS CONCERN BY THE PUBLIC ABOUT ID CHECKS.
SO HOW DO YOU VERIFY ID CHECKS RIGHT NOW? SO ALL THE REGISTERS AND THAT WOULD HAVE ITS OWN REGISTER, SO ANY ALCOHOL SALES WOULD GO THROUGH THERE? UH, THE SYSTEM, UH, REQUIRES THAT ANY ALCOHOL PURCHASE, WHETHER IT'S BEER OR WINE OR LIQUOR, UH, FOR THE CLERK TO VERIFY THAT
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THE CUSTOMER'S OVER THE AGE OF 21 AND THEY HAVE TO PUNCH IN THEIR, UH, DATE OF BIRTH ONCE THEY ASK FOR ID, IS IT LIKE A VISUAL OR LIKE A SCANNER? I MEAN, CAN IT BE LIKE A FAKE ID? AND THEY MAY, WILL THE CLERK BE ABLE TO KNOW? I KNOW IT'S VISUAL.UM, CONNIE, IS THERE A SCANNER AS WELL TO CHECK THE ID? UM, UH, COULD, COULD YOU PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE, MA'AM SO WE CAN GET THAT ON THE RECORD? I, AGAIN, MM-HMM.
SO THE ID, UM, THE CLERK JUST LOOKS AT THE, ID HAVE TO SEE THE, AND THE, OKAY.
AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE NEVER HAVE AN ISSUE LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO USE THE JUDGMENT.
BUT AS A RULE, THEY HAVE TO DISCLOSE THAT THEY ARE AT DECO IF YOU ASK THEM.
UM, UH, THE SIGNAGE THAT YOU HAD, THAT YOU SHOWED, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER IT WAS GONNA BE INSIDE OR NO, BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE.
THESE ARE MADE FOR THE OUTSIDE, AROUND THE FRONT AND BACK PARKING LOTS.
AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT HEAVIER ON THE FRONT SIDE WHERE ALL THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE AT? YES.
I, I DO SEE, UH, THERE WAS A CONCERN FROM THE, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE FOOD TRUCKS.
AND I HAVE BEEN, UH, SEEING THE FOOD TRUCKS AT NIGHT IN THE, ON THE WEEKENDS.
SO, UH, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY SECURITY AROUND THERE.
UH, IS THERE SECURITY INSIDE MANILA? UH, NO.
NOT, UH, NOT HIRED SECURITY, ANYTHING THERE.
THERE IS A MANAGER ON SITE AND ANY OTHER, UH, CLERK, WE SEE SOMETHING AT A PLACE WE CALLED HIM.
UM, ALL THE FOOD TRUCKS, THEY HAVE THEIR NUMBER TOO.
AND AS YOU MENTIONED IT, UM, WE HAVE TO ADD HIM THE, ANY DISTURB DISTURBANCES, THEY CAN CALL THE POLICE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER SIGNAGE WITH THE POLICE NUMBER OR EVERYTHING ELSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I DO.
SO, UH, YES, MR. NAZI, PLEASE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
I'D LIKE TO ADD THERE'S PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME IN WITH A, A MEXICAN ID THAT ARE FAKE AND THEY PRESENT THAT TO THEM AND THEY WILL SELL 'EM ALCOHOL AND IT SHOWS THAT THEY'RE 21 AND I DON'T ACCEPT IT.
I ALWAYS REJECT IT AND I HA I TELL 'EM, YOU HAD TO HAVE, HAVE TO HAVE A CALIFORNIA STATE ID AND FOR ALL THE FOOD TRUCKS OUT THERE EVERY WEEKEND THERE IS PEOPLE OUT THERE DRINKING.
I SEE IT FROM ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE'S 1, 2, 3, 4 FOOD TRUCKS OUT THERE AND A, A SUITE, UH, TRUCK OUT THERE THAT SELLS SUITE.
AND I SEE PEOPLE LOUNGING THERE AND DRINKING ALL NIGHT LONG.
AND THERE IS ALWAYS A LOT OF COMMOTION OVER THERE.
UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT THE POLICE HAD TO COME DOWN THERE FOR, FOR ALL THE INCONVENIENCE THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON OVER THERE.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT TO THE, THANK YOU, SIR.
OH, AND FOR, FOR THE IDS, I HAVE A SCANNER THAT I SCAN EACH IDEA, AND THEY'LL TELL YOU RIGHT AWAY IF IT'S FAKE, IF IT'S, UH, 21 OR UNDER 21.
THAT'S WHAT WE USE AT OUR STORE.
HEY, HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? ONE MORE QUESTION.
PLEASE GO AHEAD AND ASK YOUR QUESTION.
UM, WITH, UH, THAT BEING BROUGHT UP ABOUT, UH, UH, MEXICAN OR, UH, OUTSIDE LICENSE, IS THAT A A BC REQUIREMENT FOR IT TO BE JUST A CALIFORNIA OR US ID OR LICENSE FOR, UH, PROOF OF AGE OR CAN AN INTERNATIONAL ID BE USED, UH, SPEAKING FOR PLANNING STAFF? I DON'T BELIEVE I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH A BC
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RULES TO THAT EXTENT.UH, WE ALSO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT MIGHT HAVE AN ANSWER.
UH, THEY CAN SELL TO SOMEONE WITH, UH, COULD, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME? SORRY.
SERGEANT JOSEPH CAMACHO WITH THE NATIONAL SPEED POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, BUSINESSES ARE ALLOWED TO USE, UH, OUT OF CALIFORNIA IDS OR OUT OF COUNTRY IDS TO SELL ALCOHOL.
IT HAS A, TYPICALLY THESE, UH, REGISTERS HAVE A MANUAL BYPASS, SO IT'LL ASK IF THEY'RE 21, ASK THEM TO CONFIRM THE PROOF OF AGE BEFORE THEY, UM, MAKE THE SALE.
A LOT OF THE TIMES WHEN WE DO ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS, WE GO THROUGH THE MACHINE AND GO THROUGH THE STEPS IN ORDER TO SELL THE ALCOHOL AND IT, IT PER A, B, C, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THOSE STEPS IN THERE TO, AND IT HAS TO HAVE A MANUAL BYPASS IF THEY'RE GONNA GO AROUND SOMEONE BEING 21 AND NOT HAVING THE PROOF OF IT, AND THEY'LL HAVE THOSE, THOSE STEPS.
THAT'S WHY WE TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS ON THE SELLER OF THE ALCOHOL AS WELL AS THE BUSINESS, UH, WHEN WE DO THOSE TYPE OF OPERATIONS.
UH, COMM COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.
YOU OBVIOUSLY, OR YOUR TEAM MADE, UM, DID THE ASSESSMENT, THE A BC RISK ASSESSMENT, AND, UM, UM, WE HEARD THAT PERHAPS THERE WERE, THERE HAVE BEEN INCIDENTS OR THERE HAVE BEEN, UM, CALLS FOR SERVICE.
DO YOU HAVE A RECORD OF HOW MANY OR IF IT'S REGULAR? I DON'T HAVE A EXACT RECORD OF IT.
I KNOW THAT THE CRIME RATE HAS GONE DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY FROM BACK WHEN IT WAS FOODLAND TO NOW MM-HMM.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN INCREASED NIGHTTIME ACTIVITY DUE TO ALL THE FOOD TRUCKS, BUT I DON'T HAVE A RECORD OF ALL THE CALLS FOR SERVICE.
IT'S AROUND THE STANDARD RATE FOR BUSINESSES LIKE THAT, THAT HAVE FOOD TRUCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT NOTHING OUT OF THE NORMAL.
YEAH, I SEE HERE NO CRIMINAL INCIDENTS, BUT I WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE I COULD HIRE.
UM, NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM PLAN, QUESTIONS FROM, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN? I APOLOGIZE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UH, REDO THAT.
DO WE HAVE TO, IT'S CLEAR IT MM-HMM.
CAN YOU EXCUSE THE ONES THAT ARE OUT? YEAH.
WE CAN HAVE YOU DO THE MOTION AGAIN ONE MORE TIME.
AND COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARMINTA TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS SIMPLY TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, UH, ON THE MOTION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? NO.
UH, IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSIONER OR THE COMMISSION, UH, WE'LL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONERS ARE, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? UM, I WOULD, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRING THE ELECTRONIC VERIFICATION, UM, BE INSTALLED AS WELL AT THE MARKET, UH, TO ENSURE THAT, UH, THE IDS THAT ARE PRESENTED ARE VALID IDS.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, UH, ANY DISCUSSION? I, I JUST, I DON'T, UH, WOULDN'T THAT BE PART OF SOMEBODY MAKING THE MOTION TO ADD THAT OR, YEAH.
IT JUST FEELS LIKE THAT'S NOT PART OF, THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING.
BUT YOU, YOU'RE NOT MAKING THE MOTION TO YEAH.
SO CHAIRMAN, NO, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS PART OF THE MOTION.
FOR WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO OH, OKAY.
SO JUST FEELS LIKE IT'S CHAIRMAN.
CHAIRMAN, YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION WITH THAT AMENDMENT.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE IF THERE'S A SECOND.
THEN I WILL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
UM, I WILL MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT WITH A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT, UH, ADDED THAT, UH,
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THE OWNERS INSTALL THE ELECTRONIC DEVICE TO SWIPE THE IDS THAT ARE PRESENTED AT CHECKOUT.I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TERM OF ART IS FOR THAT.
AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND? YEAH.
UH, WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UM, CHAIRMAN MILLER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 14 A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY, DETERMINING, DETERMINING THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
CQA UNDER CLASS ONE OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 1, EXISTING FACILITIES AND APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF BEER, WINE AND DISTILLED SPIRITS.
A B, C TYPE 21 AT AN EXISTING GROCERY STORE, MANILLO FARMS MARKET, LOCATED AT 3 0 3 HIGHLAND AVENUE.
CASE FILE NUMBER 2024 DASH 11 CP APN, 5 56 DASH 8 23 DASH ZERO.
UH, I AM THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
UM, SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
UH, I WOULD ASK THAT SOMEBODY PLEASE CALL THE OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS BACK IN THAT, UH, ENDS THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO CAME OUT TONIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR DEMOCRACY, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
UH, IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AT THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEVEL THAT WE HAVE THIS PARTICIPATION, AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR DOING THAT.
SO IT WAS APPROVED, BUT IT WILL GO AS A NOTICE OF DECISION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THEY ARE THE FINAL DECISION MAKER.
SO WE HAVE A QUORUM OF OUR BOARD HERE, SO WE HAVE ENOUGH TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS ITEM, BUT THAT'S JUST, UH, HOW OUR RULES.
BUT YOU CAN COME TO THE, THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND SAY YOUR PIECE AT THAT TIME AS WELL.
UH, STAFF, COULD SOMEBODY GO PLEASE GET THE OTHER COMMISSION MEMBERS OR, UM, IF NOT, YEAH.
COULD YOU SEE IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE THERE IN THE, UH, WE HAVE TWO WAYWARD PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS.
[6. Determination that the project is categorically exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) under Class 1 of the CEQA guidelines Section 15301 (Existing Facilities) and Conditional Use Permit for beer and wine sales (ABC TYPE-41) at an existing restaurant (La Malcriada Birreria) located at 1604 East 18th Street, Suites A & B. Case File No.: 2024-16 CUP APN: 561-360-46-00]
THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM SIX, DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.UNDER CLASS ONE OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 1, EXISTING FACILITIES AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BEER AND WINE SALES.
A, B, C TYPE 31 AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT.
LA ADA B RIA, LOCATED AT 1604 EAST 18TH STREET.
I HEREBY CALL THE PUBLIC, UH, HEARING TO ORDER.
BEFORE WE BEGIN, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES RELATING TO THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER AMENTA? UH, I DID DO A SITE INSPECTION TODAY, AND I SPOKE TO, UH, ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS, UH, MS. ANDREA.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ THIS SUMMER.
I WENT AND I ATE THERE AND I REALLY ENJOYED THEIR TACOS.
UM, I ALSO, UH, DROVE BY THE PROPERTY, UH, FOR A SITE INSPECTION.
I DID NOT SPEAK TO ANYBODY, HOWEVER.
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MADAM SECRETARY OF ALL NOTICES AS REQUIRED BY LAW BEEN GIVEN.AND DO WE HAVE THE COMPLETE FILE OF EXHIBITS, CORRESPONDENCE, AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YES, CHAIR.
WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM FOR US.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC.
MY NAME IS DAVID WELCH WITH THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY PLANNING DIVISION.
ITEM SIX IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ALCOHOL SALES AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT.
UH, HERE'S AN OVERHEAD OF THE SITE.
IT'S LOCATED AT PALM AND EAST 18TH.
UH, LA MARETA BEER AREA IS AN EXISTING, UH, 960 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT LOCATED IN THE MXC ONE ZONE.
UH, SITE WAS PREVIOUS, WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR, UH, THE SAME A BC LICENSE BACK IN 2019.
HOWEVER, IT WAS NEVER EXERCISED.
UM, AND THE SURROUNDING AREA IS BOTH VARIOUS COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES.
THE BUSINESS PROPOSES TO SELL BEER AND WINE IN CONJUNCTION WITH FOOD SALES.
THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION ARE FROM 8:00 AM TILL 10:00 PM DAILY, UH, INSIDE THE RESTAURANT AND THEN CLOSING AT 9:00 PM OUTSIDE ON THE PATIO.
UH, THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL WAS FROM 10:00 AM TO 10:00 PM UH, FLOOR PLAN INDICATES THE AREA DEDICATED TO SEATING, UH, IS 340 SQUARE FEET INSIDE AND 180 SQUARE FEET OUTSIDE.
UH, NO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT IS PROPOSED.
UM, HERE'S A, THE FLOOR PLAN ON THE UPPER PORTION OF THE FLOOR PLAN IS THE OUTDOOR PATIO.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE INDOOR SEATING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FLOOR PLAN THERE.
SO THE NATIONAL CITY MUNICIPAL CODE ALLOW FOR ALCOHOL SALE FOR ONSITE CONSUMPTION WITH AN APPROVED COP.
UH, BUT THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS SPECIFIC TO ALCOHOL.
C CCPS ONE IS THE, UH, ADDITIONAL MAILING, WHICH IS AT 660 FEET.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO HOLD A COMMUNITY MEETING.
IN THIS CASE IT WAS HELD SEPTEMBER 11TH WITH NO ONE IN ATTENDANCE.
UM, MOVING ALONG, UH, THE CENSUS TRACT, UH, 1 21 0.01, UH, IT IS RECOMMENDED BY A BC TO HAVE TWO ON SALE LICENSES WHERE THERE ARE THREE EXISTING.
UM, AND THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE ARE NOT APPLICABLE FOR RESTAURANTS WITH 30% OR MORE OF THEIR FLOOR AREA DEDICATED TO SEATING.
UH, IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE 35% OF THE FLOOR AREA AS SEATING FOR THIS RESTAURANT.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7, WHICH REQUIRES STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL RELATED TO THE SALES OF ALCOHOL.
UM, AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, DID A RISK ASSESSMENT ON THIS ONE, AND THEY HAD 11 POINTS.
UH, NOTABLE, UH, OR THAT WOULD BE A LOW RISK, UH, 12 POINTS OR LESS.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY HAVE BEEN HIGHER THAN IT COULD HAVE BEEN 'CAUSE UH, THEY PUT IN THAT IT WAS AFTER 11 WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY ONLY TILL 10.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR, UM, OTHER PARTY, THE INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC STRATEGIES.
UM, THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE TO REQUIRE IN PERSON RE RESPONSIBLE BEVERAGE SALES AND SERVICES TRAINING FOR ALL STAFF, AND ALSO TO REQUIRE SIGNAGE INDICATING THAT THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES MAY NOT BE TAKEN BEYOND THE FRONT PATIO EXIT AND INTO THE PARKING LOT.
SO FOR THE CONDITIONS I RECOMMEND BY STAFF, WE HAVE OUR STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR COP PS, AND THEN THOSE SPECIFIC TO SHOULD SAY ONSITE ALCOHOL SALES PER COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7.
THESE INCLUDE THE HOURS OF OPERATION, THE EMPLOYEE TRAINING REQUIRED BY A BC, AND THAT THE RESTAURANT MAINTAINS THAT THEIR SALES ARE, UH, ACCESSORY TO THE FOOD SALES.
UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION, WE'VE ADDED CONDITIONS, UH, TO ADDRESS IPS COMMENTS.
IN SUMMARY, THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN, UH, ALCOHOL SALES FOR ONSITE CONSUMPTION.
THOSE ARE CONDITIONALLY ALLOWED USE IN THE MX C ONE ZONE.
UH, THE, THEY WOULD REMAIN ACCESSORY TO THE BUSINESS TO A BUSINESS IN AN ESTABLISHED COMMERCIAL AREA, UH, WITH THE INCLUSION OF THE CONS, THE CONDITIONS RELATED TO COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7, UH, THAT SHOULD ALLEVIATE CONCERNS RELATED TO AREA IMPACTS.
UH, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO ADDRESSED ADDITIONAL CONCERNS FROM IPS.
SO THE OPTIONS HERE TODAY FOR THE COMMISSION ARE TO FIND THE PRO PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CQA AND APPROVE, UH, 20 24 16 COP BASED ON THE FINDINGS IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION OR DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION, OR TO FIND THE PROJECT NOT EXEMPT FROM CQA AND OR DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BASED ON FINDINGS LISTED IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION OR DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION.
UH, ALSO CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
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IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.UM, SHOULD IT BE APPROVED, A NOTICE OF DECISION WOULD BE FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THAT CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION.
UH, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, THANK YOU MR. WELSH.
I INVITE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M THE CONSULTANT TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, AS YOU'VE HEARD, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
WE'VE, UH, COMPLIED WITH ALL THE CITY REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AGAIN, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S RATED THIS AS A LOW RISK.
UH, WE'VE DONE OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH AS REQUIRED.
UM, WE HAVE A YOUNG LATINA ENTREPRENEUR JUST STARTED HER OWN BUSINESS.
AND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
SHE'S HERE IN ATTENDANCE, BY THE WAY.
IF YOU QUESTIONS, I CAN STAY HERE IF YOU WANTS TO ASK QUESTIONS TOO.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE COMING TO THAT.
WE WILL NOW HEAR LIVE, UH, FROM ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.
EACH PERSON HAS THREE MINUTES.
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS? I HAVE NO SPEAKER SLIPS, NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
UM, I DO HAVE ONE, UM, WRITTEN COMMENT ON ITEM SIX THAT I WOULD LIKE TO READ INTO THE RECORD FROM, UH, FELLO MIRANDA.
UH, JUST COMMENTING THAT THEY OPPOSE TO, THEY'RE, UH, APPARENTLY THEY'RE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER WRITTEN COMMENTS, MADAM SECRETARY? NO, CHAIR.
WOULD STAFF LIKE TO MAKE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM STAFF.
DO ANY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY CLARIFYING COMMENTS OF STAFF? UH, COMMISSIONER ARMINTA? UH, I HAVE ONE, UH, EITHER FOR STAFF OR THE REPRESENTATIVES.
I SEE THE APPLICATION SAYS, UH, FOR SUITES A AND B, SO WHERE IS SUITE A AND B? UM, SUITES A AND B ARE TOGETHER.
SO IT'S JUST THE WHOLE RESTAURANT.
SO THE PEACH, THE COLORED PART IS SUITE A AND B TOGETHER.
UH, THE WHOLE RESTAURANT IS THE SUITE A AND B TOGETHER WHERE IT SAYS EXISTING ADJACENT BUSINESS NOT PART OF THIS PERMIT.
EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT, UH, IS PART OF THE BUSINESS.
AND WE PUT A AND B BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE, THAT'S HOW THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE LEASE WRITTEN.
SO I, I WENT IN INSIDE TODAY AND I SAW THE SEATING AREA INSIDE.
AND THEN THE WHATEVER BUSINESS IS C, RIGHT? YES.
THE STORY IS A COULD COULD YOU APPROACH THE MICROPHONE, SIR? YES.
SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS ON THE RECORD? YEAH.
MY NAME IS RAMON GOMEZ AND I'M ONE OF THE MANAGERS OF THE STORE.
THE, THE, THE BUILDING IS, UH, THREE SUITES.
AND THEN THERE'S A JUICE BAR FOR, UM, HEALTHY THINGS.
AND THEN I, UH, THAT'S A, OH, UH, NO, WE, WE ACTUALLY CHANGED.
DOES THIS NEED TO BE CHANGED? CHANGED IT ALREADY WITH, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S WHY I, I, I, I PUT THE STICKERS.
WAS THIS ONCE A, A DWELLING UNIT MANY YEARS AGO? YEAH.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIRES AND THAT'S HOW I DID IT.
FOR ADDRESSING PURPOSES? MM-HMM,
THERE'S JUICE BARS, SUITE A, UHHUH,
SO WE DO, SO DAVID OR SOPHIA, IS IT TIED TO THE A PN IS THE A PN CORRECT.
SO IT'S ALL ONE A PN, SO THAT IS CORRECT.
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A MOTION IS MADE, MAYBE CORRECT THE SUITE NUMBERS AS FAR AS THE MOTION.WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE THAT UP IN THE MOTION THEN.
UM, HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS, UH, FROM STAFF AND THE PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? THIS WOULD BE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.
IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DIS UH, DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONERS.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IS THERE A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION THAT WOULD LIKE TO BRING A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION? YEP.
WITH, UH, I'M SORRY FOR THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UH, WITH THE CLARIFYING, UM, COMMENT ABOUT THE ADDRESS OR THE SUITE NUMBERS.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH 15 A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY CALIFORNIA, DETERMINING THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
CA UNDER CLASS ONE OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 1, EXISTING FACILITIES AND APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BEER AND WINE SALES.
A, B, C TYPE 41 AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT.
RIA, UH, LOCATED AT 1604 EAST 18TH STREET, SUITE A AND B, I'M SORRY, SUITE B AND C CASE IT'S A THE ALLEGATION.
LOCATED AT 1604 EAST 18TH STREET SUITES A AND B CASE FILE NUMBER 2024 DASH 16 C PN 5 61 DASH 3 6 6.
BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.
REALLY QUICK, JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THE MOTION IS NOT NO LONGER WITH THE AMENDMENT.
WELL, I NEV I MADE THE MOTION BUT WASN'T GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE AMENDMENT.
SO NOW I'M JUST LEAVING THE MOTION AS IT IS.
THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION.
MADAM SECRETARY, UH, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES, UH, ITEM SIX.
[7. Determination that the project is categorically exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) under Class 32 of the CEQA guidelines section 15332 (In-Fill Development Projects) and Tentative Parcel Map dividing one lot into two with a Zone Variance to deviate from set-back requirements on a property located at 1441 East 7th Street. Case File No.: 2023-09 LS ZV APN: 557-101-34-00]
ON TO ITEM SEVEN, DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT CQA UNDER CLASS 32 OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 32, INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP DIVIDING ONE LOT INTO TWO WITH HIS OWN VARIANCE TO DEVIATE FROM THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ON A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1441 EAST SEVENTH STREET, I HEREBY CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ORDER.BEFORE WE BEGIN, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES RELATING TO THIS HEARING? COMMISSIONER MENTO I DROVE BY, UH, THE PROPERTY EARLIER TODAY, VICE CHAIR CASTLE.
I ALSO DID A SITE VISIT TO THE, THE PROPERTY.
AND I TOO DID A, UH, UH, I DROVE BY THE PROPERTY
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TO SEE THE LAY OF THE LAND.UM, MADAM SECRETARY HAVE THE NOTICES AS REQUIRED BY LAB AND GIVEN, AND DO WE HAVE THE COMPLETE FILE OF EXHIBITS, CORRESPONDENCE AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YES, CHAIR.
WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM FOR US.
ONCE AGAIN, DAVID WELCH WITH THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY PLANNING DIVISION.
UM, ITEM SEVEN IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR TENANT PARCEL MAP DIVIDING VOILA INTO TWO WITH HIS OWN VARIANCE REQUEST TO DEVIATE FROM SETBACKS PROPERTY LOCATED ON 1441 EAST SEVENTH STREET.
SO THE SITE IS, UH, AS I MENTIONED, ON EAST SEVENTH STREET.
IT'S IN THE RSS TWO ZONE, WHICH IS SMALL LOT RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S IN 11,475 SQUARE FOOT PROPERTY.
THE WIDTH OF THE PROPERTY IS 85 FEET, AND THEN A DEPTH OF 135 FEET, UH, FRONTAGE IS ALL ALONG.
EAST SEVENTH STREET IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND A DETACHED GARAGE.
UH, THIS SITE IS SLOPED WITH A 17 FOOT DIFFERENCE IN GRADE, UM, GOING FROM BASICALLY THE SOUTHWEST CORNER TO THE NORTH, NORTH, SOUTHEAST, NORTHWEST CORNER.
UM, THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT IS ALL RESIDENTIAL, IT'S OWN SINGLE FAMILY, BUT A COUPLE OF THE OTHER LOTS NEARBY MAY HAVE TWO OR THREE UNITS ON THEM.
UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE, UH, OTHER DEVELOPED AREA BEHIND THE SPOT, UM, AS WELL AS THE CUL-DE-SAC.
AND, UH, IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE STREET, YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTIES THAT PROBABLY HAVE TWO OR THREE UNITS ON THEM.
UM, HERE'S AN IMAGE OF KIND OF WHAT THE SITE LOOKS LIKE.
UH, FROM AN OVERHEAD, THE ARROWS ARE REPRESENTING APPROXIMATELY HOW THE LAND SLOPES, SO YOU CAN GET A, GET A GOOD IDEA.
UM, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHT DOWN ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, AND THEN IT'S A MORE GENTLE SLOPE TOWARDS THE BACK.
UH, YOU CAN SEE IT'S SET DOWN A LITTLE BIT FROM THE STREET, BUT OTHERWISE FLAT WHERE THE FRONT YARD AND THE MAIN HOUSE ARE, ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED.
UM, BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET TO THE BACK, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S RETAINING WALL THAT IT STARTS TO SLOPE DOWN QUITE A BIT TOWARDS THE BACK.
SO THE PROPOSAL IS A TENANT, A PARCEL MAP TO DIVIDE ONE LOT INTO TWO.
UM, PARCEL ONE, WHICH WOULD BE THE ONE IN THE BACK WOULD BE 6,051 SQUARE FEET.
THIS WOULD HAVE 16 FEET OF STREET FRONTAGE.
UH, AN EXCEPTION, UH, IS REQUESTED, UH, FOR LESS THAN THE MINIMUM STREET FRONTAGE.
UH, A REAR REAR YARD SETBACK OF 10 FEET IS ALSO REQUESTED, UH, LESS THAN THE REQUIRED 25 FEET.
UH, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO EVENTUALLY BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IN A DETACHED A DU ON THIS NEWLY CREATED LOT.
UH, PARCEL TWO WOULD BE, UH, ABOUT 5,423 SQUARE FEET.
IT WOULD END UP WITH 69 FEET OF FRONTAGE WITH A REAR YARD SETBACK OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, UH, WOULD END UP BEING SEVEN FEET.
UH, THE EXISTING HOME AND DETACHED GARAGE WOULD REMAIN ON THAT PARCEL.
UH, THE GARAGE, UH, IS PLANNED TO BE CONVERTED TO AN ADU, WHICH COULD HAPPEN LATER WITH A BUILDING PERMIT.
UH, HERE IS THE PROPOSED TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP.
I'VE GOT THE BLUISH, PURPLISH COLOR IS PARCEL ONE, AND THE PINKISH REDDISH COLOR IS PARCEL TWO.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A, IT'S BASICALLY A FLAG LOT CONFIGURATION.
YOU HAVE A 16 FOOT, UH, SECTION THAT WOULD FUNCTION AS THE DRIVEWAY TO GET BACK TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE BACK.
UM, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT ON HERE, BUT THERE WOULD BE A RETAINING WALL, UH, KIND OF SEPARATING THE TWO PARCELS, UM, TO DEAL WITH THE SLOPES AND THEN SOME LESSER RETAINING WALLS TO KIND OF MAKE IT EASIER TO DEVELOP THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AND, UH, DETACHED A DU, UH, LATER ON.
AND JUST STARTING THE DISCUSSION ON SETBACKS IN BLUE, I HAVE THE PARCEL ONE.
UH, FRONT YARD SETBACK IS REALLY A NON-ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE DRIVEWAY TAKING UP THAT FIRST 20 FEET.
UM, AND THEN IN THE, WHAT WE THINK OF AS LIKE THE FRONT OF THAT PARCEL, IT'D REALLY ONLY BE A FIVE FOOT SETBACK NEXT TO THE OTHER PARCEL THAT'D BE CREATED.
UM, THE RS TWO ZONE REQUIRES FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK.
SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE ARE MAINTAINED.
BUT THEN IN THE BACK, THE REQUESTING A 10 FOOT REAR GUARD SETBACK FOR THE PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, UH, WHICH WOULD BE LESS THAN THE REQUIRED 25 FEET.
UM, A DU STAFF WOULD KNOW HAVE, UH, FOUR FOOT SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACKS PER STATE LAW.
SO LOOKING AT THE PROPOSAL A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN.
OUR PO LAND USE POLICY 4.3 SAYS WE ARE TO PROMOTE INFILL DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT, REHABILITATION,
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AND REUSE EFFORTS THAT CONTRIBUTE POSITIVELY TO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND SURROUNDING AREA.UH, OUR HOUSING ELEMENT ENCOURAGES HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES SINCE THE NEW LOT WOULD BE CREATED.
THERE IS A CHANCE FOR A NEW HOME HOME OWNERSHIP HERE.
UM, GENERAL PLAN DENSITY IS A LOW MEDIUM DENSITY, UH, RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION, WHICH ALLOWS UP TO NINE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
THIS PROJECT DENSITY WOULD BE 7.6 UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, UH, WHICH REQUIRES THAT, UH, THERE ARE DEDICATIONS IMPROVEMENTS, DESIGN STANDARDS, AND CONFORMANCE WITH TITLE 18, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UH, CURRENTLY THE SITE IS ON AN ESTABLISHED BLOCK WITH AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT FRONTING EAST SEVENTH STREET.
NO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC STREETS ARE REQUIRED TO BE DEDICATED IN THIS CASE.
UH, AND ANY REQUIRED IMPROVEMENT FOR THIS PROJECT WOULD BE, ARE INCLUDED AS THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL FOR FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
UH, THERE IS AN EXCEPTION THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR A DEVIATION FROM THE STREET FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT.
SO OUR TITLE 17 SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR, UH, EXCEPTIONS FOR REDUCED STANDARDS IN CERTAIN INSTANCES.
AND, UH, MOVING ONTO THE LAND USE CODE, UH, FOR THE USE THE RS TWO ZONE PER PERMITS, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES.
AGAIN, IT MATCHES THE DENSITY OF THE, OF THE PER OF THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, THE MINIMUM LOT AREA 5,000 SQUARE FEET IS BEING MET.
UH, MINIMUM THREE FRONTAGE OF 50 FEET IS NOT BEING MET ON ONE OF THE LOTS AS WE MENTIONED.
UM, AND THEN I'LL GET FURTHER INTO OUR SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
SO TO FIND IT CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE CODE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT MINIMUM STREET FRONTAGE OF 50 FEET.
UH, EXCEPTIONS CAN BE GRANTED FROM TITLE 17.
IF A PROPERTY HAS SUCH A SIZE, SHAPE, OR TOPOGRAPHIC CONDITION THAT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE OR IMPRACTICAL TO FULLY CONFORM TO THE SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS, UH, AND THAT THE EXCEPTION WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE OR BE DETRI DETRIMENTAL TO THE USE OF OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE VICINITY.
AND THEN THAT THE GRANTING OF THE EXCEPTION, UH, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND ALL APPLICABLE, SPECIFIC PLANS OR OTHER PLANS OF THE CITY.
SO IN THIS CASE, THE LOT IS 85 FEET WIDE AND THERE'S SIMPLY NO WAY TO, UH, DIVIDE THIS AND MEET MINIMUM FRONTAGE FOR TWO LOTS.
SO THERE'S THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF IT BASED ON THE SHAPE.
UM, BUT I WOULD ALSO ADD THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE WOULD ALSO MAKE IT TO DEVELOP IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS.
SO THE SLOPES GET PRETTY STEEP ON CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THIS LOT.
UH, SO THE FLAG LOT KIND OF PUTS THE DRIVEWAY WHERE IT'S STEEPEST, WHICH MAKES IT, UM, EASIER TO DEVELOP.
SO THE COMBINATION OF THE TWO, UH, THE WIDTH OF THE LOT AND THE TOPOGRAPHY, UH, ARE THE KIND OF UNIQUE SITUATIONS THAT WOULD MAKE RENTING EXCEPTION, UH, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED.
UM, THE PROJECT IS ALSO CONDITIONED TO MEET ALL APPLICABLE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
SO TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH, WELFARE SAFETY, UH, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE THEY HAVE TO GET A SEWER PERMIT TO CONNECT TO THE SEWER SYSTEM, ET CETERA.
UM, AND THEN THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN MEETS DENSITY, UH, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, AND IT'S ALSO NOT LOCATED IN ANY SPECIFIC PLAN.
CONTINUING WITH CONSISTENCY WITH THE LAND USE CODE, UM, THE RS TWO ZONE HAS A REAR YARD SETBACK OF 25 FEET.
IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE.
UM, SO A VARIANCE CAN BE REQUESTED OR GRANTED ONLY BECAUSE THERE ARE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES APPLICABLE TO THE PROPERTY SUCH AS SIZE SHAPED TOPOGRAPHY, LOCATION, OR SURROUNDINGS, THAT THE STRIPPED APPLICATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS WOULD DEPRIVE THE PROPERTY, UH, OF THE PRIVILEGES ENJOYED BY OTHER PROPERTY IN THE VICINITY AND UNDER IDENT IDENTICAL ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
UH, THE SECOND FINDING FOR VARIANCE IS THAT IT SHALL NOT BE GRANTING A SPECIAL PRIVILEGE INCONSISTENT WITH THE LIMITATION ON ALL THEIR PROPERTIES IN THE SAME VICINITY AND ZONE, AND THAT THE ZONE VARIANCE SHALL NOT BE GRANTED FOR A USE OR ACTIVITY NOT AUTHORIZED IN THE ZONE.
SO LOOKING AT IT, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS A SIZE AND SHAPE THAT IS INSUFFICIENT FOR CONFORMANCE WITH ALL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TWO PROPOSED PARCELS.
SO IT DOES LACK SUFFICIENT WIDTH TO CREATE 235 FOOT DEEP PARCELS.
SO BASICALLY, IF YOU SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE AND GO BACK, UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE WIDTH TO DO THAT AND MAINTAIN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
UH, AND THEN THE TOPOGRAPHY WOULD ALSO HAVE MADE THIS CONFIGURATION LESS PRACTICAL.
AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE CERTAIN POINTS IN THE LOT WHERE IT GETS PRETTY STEEP.
UM, SO THE CONFIGURATION WITH ONE PROPERTY IN FRONT OF THE OTHER, UH,
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WITH ONE IN THE FRONT, ONE IN THE REAR LEADS TO OVERLY RESTRICTIVE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.SO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY LEADING TO A, A PARCEL IN THE BACK.
AND SO WITH THAT FRONT BACK CONFIGURATION OF LOTS, IF YOU TAKE YOUR FRONT YARD SETBACK, REAR YARD SETBACK, FRONT YARD SETBACK, REAR YARD SETBACK, ALL THAT WOULD BE LEFT IS 60 FEET OF BUILDABLE AREA TO BE SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO NEW LOTS, WHICH IS NOT A LOT OF ROOM.
UM, SO THE REQUEST IS FOR A 10 FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK FOR PARCEL ONE AND SEVEN FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK FOR PARCEL TWO.
UH, AND THAT WOULD GRANT NECESSARY RELIEF TO PROVIDE PRACTICAL DEVELOPMENT SITES.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER SITES ALONG EAST SEVENTH STREET THAT HAVE REDUCED SETBACKS.
SO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY LESS THAN 25, UH, FEET, REAR YARD SETBACKS.
UM, AND THE USE HAS PROPOSED A SINGLE FAMILY, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH ITS OWN.
THOSE ARE THE OTHER TWO FINDINGS FOR VARIANCES.
UM, GOING BACK TO THE IMAGE WITH THE SETBACKS, UM, LET'S SEE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT PARCEL ONE, THE 20 FOOT SETBACK IN THE FRONT, SETBACK IN THE FRONT IS OKAY.
UH, THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED A SIDE YARD SETBACK HERE, SO THAT'S OKAY, BUT THEN WHEN YOU GET TO THE BACK, UM, THERE'S SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO MAKE 25 FOOT YARDS, 25 FOOT SETBACK IN THE BACK.
UM, AND THEN SAME THING WITH THE FRONT, THE EXISTING HOUSE AND WHERE THEY'VE CHOSEN TO, UH, SHOW THE LOT LINE HERE, IT WOULD ONLY BE SEVEN FEET, WHICH WOULD NOT NOT MEET THE 25 FOOT YARD SETBACK FOR THE FRONT.
SO WHEN YOU STACK THE SETBACKS TOGETHER, 20 FEET IN THE FRONT FOR PARCEL 2 25 IN THE BACK FOR PARCEL, TWO, FIVE FEET FOR PARCEL, ONE, HAVE A DEVELOPMENT SITE, AND THEN ANOTHER 25 FEET THERE JUST SIMPLY ISN'T ENOUGH ROOM FOR PRACTICAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, UNDER CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, UM, STAFF WOULD DE RECOMMEND DETERMINING THAT IT'S EXEMPT FOR CLASS 32, WHICH IS THE INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, UH, SITES UNDER FIVE ACRES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, URBAN IN THE SURROUNDINGS, UM, GETTING TWO, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UM, WE'VE INCORPORATED THEIR COMMENTS FROM ENGINEERING FIRE.
UH, THESE ARE BASICALLY, UH, STANDARD CONDITIONS RELATED TO NEW DEVELOPMENTS, UM, HAPPENING IN THE CITY.
UH, ENGINEERING ALSO HAS INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S NEEDED FOR A FILE MAP, UM, AND THEN ANY DEVELOPMENT WOULD, UH, CONFORM TO APPLICABLE CODES, WHETHER IT BE BUILDING CODE, FIRE CODE, OR, UH, TITLE 18.
UM, AND THEN ALSO ONCE AGAIN, PRO THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN.
UH, IF IT'S FOUND THAT IF THE REQUESTED EXCEPTION AND VARIANCE THAT ARE GRANTED, WE COULD FIND A IS CONSISTENT.
SO THE OPTIONS HERE TODAY ARE TO FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CE QA AND APPROVE THE TEED PARCEL MAP AND ZONE VARIANCE BASED ON THE FINDINGS, OR FIND THE PROJECT NON-EXEMPT FROM CE QA AND OR DENY THE TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP AND ZONE AND OR ZONING ZONE VARIANCE BASED ON FINDINGS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION OR CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
UH, SHOULD IT BE APPROVED, THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE SENT TO CITY COUNCIL IN A NOTICE OF DECISION.
UM, AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF PRESENTATION.
I INVITE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THEIR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE? REP, PLEASE, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE.
I'M ONE OF THE PARTNERS OF THE OWNERSHIP GROUP.
UM, DON'T REALLY HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION ON THE MATTER, BUT I AM HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF ANYTHING COMES UP IN TERMS OF THIS CURRENT DESIGN AS WELL AS YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR FUTURE PLANS ARE FOR THE PROPERTY.
WE WILL NOW HEAR LIVE FROM ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.
UM, I REQUEST THE SECRETARY PROCEED WITH DISCLOSING IF ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED IN WRITING.
DOES THE APPLICANT OR ANYBODY WISH TO MAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
I CALL ON, UM, VICE CHAIR CASTLE.
UM, I, IN, IN ONE OF THE PICTURES I SAW THAT THERE WAS A FENCE BACK THERE, UM, A CHAIN LINK FENCE.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S EASEMENTS.
UM, IS THERE ANY EASEMENTS ON THIS PROPERTY FOR UTILITIES OR ANYTHING THAT GOES ALONG THAT BACK LINE? UM, SO ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IS
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BASICALLY THEY NEED TO FILE A CHECKLIST FOR PARCEL MAPS AND ANY EASEMENTS SHALL BE IDENTIFIED.UM, AT THIS STAGE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY IDENTIFIED, UM, BUT IF THERE WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS OMITTED, IT WOULD BE CORRECTED BEFORE THE FINAL MAP WOULD BE RECORDED.
AND IS THERE, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT HAD DURING THE, THE RAIN, THE RAINING SEASONS, DOES IT, IS THIS, UM, AN AREA WHERE THERE WAS FLOODS, UH, IN THE LAST RAINS AND, UM, DOES IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THE WAY THAT IT GOES, THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF STREAM THROUGH THAT AREA? APOLOGIZE.
THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ANY DRAINAGE FEATURE THERE.
UM, BUT SHOULD THERE BE, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A FLOOD PERMIT THROUGH ENGINEERING IF IT'S NECESSARY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.
OH WAIT,
YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE REDUCED SETBACKS IN THE, UH, ON SOME OTHER PROPERTIES.
ARE THOSE, WERE THOSE, UM, PERMITTED OR PRESCRIPTIVE? UM, I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY WERE ALL BUILT BEFORE THE EXISTING ZONING REQUIREMENT.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I WANT TO, I CALL HIM MYSELF.
UM, I WANT TO ALSO STRESS, UH, WHAT VICE CHAIR CASTLE HAS TALKED ABOUT.
UM, WHEN I DROVE BY, I LOOKED DOWN THERE AND, AND THAT LOOKED LIKE IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE SUBJECT TO FLOODING.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW HOW THE DRAINAGE WORKS BECAUSE IT GOES DOWN FROM THE, UH, FROM THE FRONT, FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PARCEL TO THE NORTH SIDE, AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE IT GOES BACK UP.
AND IT SEEMS TO BE LIKE THAT FOR ALL OF THOSE PARCELS ALONG THERE ON BOTH SIDES OF WHAT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, A DRAINAGE, A DRAINAGE CHANNEL OF SOME KIND.
AND I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE WHERE THE OUTLET IS FOR THAT, UM, FURTHER DOWN THE STREAM.
UH, BECAUSE THAT HATE FOR US TO CREATE A LAKE HERE WITH THESE RETAINING WALLS.
UM, ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF A GRADING AND IMPROVEMENTS PLAN, AND AT WHICH POINT STORMWATER WOULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS THROUGH ENGINEERING.
UM, YES, IT DOES HAVE A KIND OF A DOWN SLOPE TO THE WEST.
UM, BUT I'M, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY THE OUTFALL POINT OF THAT DRAINAGE.
UH, COLIN, COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ, I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT POINT ON THE DRAINAGE, IF I MAY.
UM, THAT IS OF A CONCERN AND JUST KIND OF BRING IT UP TO PEOPLE'S ATTENTION AS WE, AS WE'RE GONNA BE CHANGING THE HYDRAULIC FLOW HERE.
UM, IF WE LOOK AT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY RIGHT NEXT TO THERE, THERE SEEMS TO BE AN EXISTING DRAINAGE INLET WHEN, UH, ENGINEERING DOES LOOK AT IT AND MAKES THEIR CALCULATIONS.
THERE IS A POTENTIAL THAT ALL THIS NEEDS TO BE UP SIZED.
I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE.
UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.
WE CURRENTLY ARE JUST ADDRESSING THE SPLITTING OF THE LOT AND THE EXCEPTIONS.
WE DON'T HAVE A PROPOSED PROJECT BEFORE US OR ANY TYPE OF, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE STILL, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE WOULD NEED A CHECKLIST.
THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE COMING BACK WITH A, A WHOLE, A WHOLE PROJECT WITH SPECIFIC, UH, THEY WOULD TO YOU GUYS AT LEAST, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THOSE TOPOGRAPHY AS FAR AS, EXCEPT FOR THE EXCEPTIONS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THIS IS A TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOR FINAL MAP PROCEDURES AFTER THIS, UM, AFTER WHICH THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET, UH, A GRADING PERMIT FOR THE RETAINING WALLS AND ANY, UH, LAND GRADING THAT OCCURS, AS WELL AS BUILDING PERMITS FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AND AN A DU AND THEN THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, WHICH WOULD BE THE ENGINEERING AND STORMWATER, THEY WOULD TAKE THE LEAD ON IDENTIFYING WHAT THOSE ISSUES ARE.
AND IT WOULDN'T REALLY BE THE POLICY MAKERS, WHETHER IT BE COUNCIL OR COUN OR PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT WOULD ALL BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
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STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN THE, UH, RESOLUTION, WHICH KIND OF GETS, GETS IN FRONT OF THE MATTER, BASICALLY SAYING YOU WILL ADHERE TO STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS.SO I DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING IN THE WEEDS THERE.
I JUST NEED TO WORRY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GONNA APPROVE THIS AND GO AND MAKE ANY EXCEPTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT'S ASKING FOR.
AS FAR AS LIKE THE, THE, THE, THE SETBACKS AND THE, THOSE ARE THE ONLY, UM, DETAILS THAT, AS FAR AS THAT, I'M JUST, I'M HEARING A LOT OF THINGS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I FOCUS ON WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
SO EXCEPTIONS TO SETBACKS IS WHAT, AND THEN ALSO WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE ALLOWED RIGHT.
SO BEFORE YOU HERE TODAY IS, IS THE PARCEL MAP TO DIVIDE INTO TWO, ONE EXCEPTION FOR REDUCED STREET FRONTAGE, UH, VARIANCES FOR REDUCED SETBACKS ON PARCEL ONE AND TWO ON THE REAR, AND, UM, SHOULD ANY OF THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS BE RELATED TO THE CONFIGURATION OF THE LOTS? I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UH, FAIR TO DISCUSS.
UH, BUT THAT'S WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE COMMISSION.
COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ, I WANT TO THANK HER FIRST FOR PUTTING THINGS BACK KIND OF FROM GOING SIDEWAYS.
MY, MY, UH, I GUESS MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION, NOT ON HYDROLOGY, BUT ON, ON THE ORDER OF PRESIDENTS OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
IF I, I'M LOOKING AT THIS TENTATIVE MAP AND THERE IS A, UM, AN EASEMENT.
DID I JUST APPROVE SOMETHING THAT CANNOT, THAT GETS AFFECTED BY THE EASEMENT? THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN.
UM, SHOULD THERE BE AN EASEMENT THAT WE WERE UNAWARE OF? I MEAN, THAT COULD DEFINITELY AFFECT THE DEVELOPMENT OF ONE OF THESE PARCELS.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE DO IN THAT SITUATION, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY A CONCERN.
BUT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO, THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD THAT ON THEIR TENANT MAP AND IT WAS DONE BY AN ENGINEER THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING THAT UP.
UM, IF THAT WERE THE CASE, UH, WE COULD BE IN A SITUATION WHERE, UH, THE MAP MIGHT JUST EXPIRE AND NEVER BE BROUGHT FORWARD AS A FINAL MAP.
HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND PUBLIC AT THIS TIME, IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FORECLOSURE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING? WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION COM.
UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FIRST ON THE MOTION.
SO, UH, WOULD THE COMMISSION PLEASE VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIED A UNANIMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONERS ARE, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES? IS THERE A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION THAT WOULD LIKE TO BRING A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA VALENZUELA.
TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH 16, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY CALIFORNIA, DETERMINING THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT CQA UNDER CLASS 32 OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 1 INFIELD DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP DIVIDING ONE LOT INTO TWO WITH A ZONE VARIANCE TO DEVIATE FROM SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ON A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1441 EAST SEVENTH STREET.
CASE FILE NUMBER 2023 DASH NINE LS ZV APN, 5 57 DASH ZERO ONE DASH 34 DASH ZERO BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY WE NEED MORE HOUSING IN, UM, NATIONAL CITY FOR SURE.
AND THIS, UH, GOES ALONG WITH WHAT, WHAT WE WANT HERE.
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THAT.AND THEN ALSO, UM, IT, I BELIEVE THAT IT ALSO FITS INTO THE, UH, THE CHARACTERISTICS AND THE LOOK OF ALL OF THE HOUSING THAT'S ALONG THAT STREET AS WELL.
THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.
MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIED ANONYMOUSLY WITH COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR DISCUSSION ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
UH, IT, YEAH, THE NOTICE, A NOTICE OF DECISION WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, AND THEY WILL EITHER APPROVE THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE HERE OR THEY WILL OPEN IT BACK UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THAT WILL GO, I BELIEVE, DAVID, IS IT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING? UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE DATE.
I BELIEVE IT'S IN, OH, THE 15.
I THINK IT'S THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
DAVID? UH, I BELIEVE FINAL MAPS GO TO COUNCIL.
WE, WE DON'T, OR I KNOW, I KNOW.
SUBDIVISION MAPS ARE APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
UM, FOUR MONTHS ARREST ADMINISTRATOR.
I THINK IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE REQUIRE SERIAL.
FINAL MAP PROCEDURES ARE THROUGH OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
THEY CAN ASSIST WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
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MOVE ON NOW TO STAFF REPORTS.DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
I FELT LIKE A BASEBALL CATCHER TODAY MAKING SIGNS, BUT SAYING NOTHING.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, TO MAKE NOTE THAT I DID STOP INTO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND I HAD ABOUT A 15 MINUTE, UH, MEETING WITH, UH, SAMUEL DOWN IN THE PLANNING THAT GAVE ME AN OVERVIEW OF HOW EXACTLY THE PLANNING WORKS AND THE PROCESS THAT, UM, BUILDERS ARE, ARE REQUIRED TO DO, TO COME IN.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT AND, UM, GO THROUGH AND JUST SEE THE PROCESS AND THE BEHIND THE SCENES WORK THAT, UM, OUR STAFF DOES.
NOTHING TO REPORT AT THIS POINT.
I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE BALLOTS ARE OUT, SO VOTE PLEASE AND THEN NOTHING ELSE.
COMMISSIONER QUINONES IS ABSENT TONIGHT.
UH, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN? SURE.
UH, HELP CELEBRATE THIS NEW GREEN GREENHOUSE RIBBON CUTTING AT OLIVE WOOD GARDENS THIS PAST WEEKEND.
MM-HMM,
I'D LIKE TO REFLECT ON COMMISSIONER ARMA.
PLEASE VOTE IF YOU'RE NOT REGISTERED.
THE ABSENTEE BALLOTS ARE OUT NOW, SO YOU CAN VOTE BY MAIL ANYTIME YOU WISH.
BEYOND THAT, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS HEREBY ADJOURNED UNTIL THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF OCTOBER 21ST, 2024 AT 6:00 PM THE TIME IS 7:39 PM I.