Aug 05, 2024 Planning Commission

IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA FOR THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF AUGUST 5TH, 2024.

WE WILL NOW BEGIN CONSIDERATION OF THE ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA.

ITEM ONE

[1. Approval of the Agenda for the Meeting on August 5, 2024]

IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, DO I HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.

THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULT OF THE VOTE.

ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF MAY 20TH, 2024.

UH, ITEM TWO

[2. Approval of Minutes from the Meeting of May 20, 2024]

OKAY, NOW THIS IS FOR ITEM TWO.

SO THIS IS MAY 20, 24.

24.

IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION, DO I HAVE UH, A MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF MAY 20TH, 2024.

THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.

UH, MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE VOTE.

I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT YOU SAID, UM, ORIGINALLY SANCHEZ HAD SECOND THE MOTION AND THEN IT WAS CHANGED TO VALENZUELA.

SO JUST FOR THE RECORD.

OH, THE MOTION WAS BY CASTLE, THE SECOND WAS BY VALENZUELA.

IT DID FLASH OUT THERE THAT IT WAS SANCHEZ, BUT THEN IT WENT OKAY.

SO I JUST HAD,

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THREE AND TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF JUNE 3RD, 2024.

ITEM

[3. Approval of Minutes from the Meeting of June 3, 2024]

I DO HAVE A CORRECTION ON THAT.

UM, ON PAGE 11, TOWARDS THE BOTTOM UNDER COMMISSIONER'S REPORTS, UH, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, FOLLOW UP, UH, TRAINING, UM, WHERE CHAIR MILLER ENCOURAGES EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THE SEARCH PROGRAM, THAT IS NOT CER, IT SHOULD BE CERT CERT.

ALL CAPITAL LETTERS STANDS FOR COMMUNITY EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM.

I JUST WANNA ADD IN THERE.

SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS? OKAY.

UH, SO AT THIS POINT, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, WE WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.

WE WILL NEED A MOTION FIRST.

OH, I'M SORRY.

DID I SKIP AHEAD TOO FAR? .

MOTION APPROVED ANONYMOUSLY.

SO, OKAY.

NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLES AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ARMA TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF JUNE 3RD.

UM, SO NOW WE WILL, ONE SECOND.

JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION WITH THE CHANGE WITH, WITH THE CHANGE TO THE, THE CERT INSTEAD OF SEARCH.

SO NOW WE WILL VOTE ELECTRONICALLY.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULTS OF THE VOTE.

WILL NOW MOVE ON TO PRESENTATIONS.

[4. Otay Valley Regional Park Presentation]

UM, WE HAVE, UH, THE OTAI VALLEY REGIONAL PARK PRESENTATION.

I INVITE THE PRESENTERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND GIVE THEIR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION, PLEASE.

MY NAME'S BERG.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO'S PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO, UM, SHARE SOME REALLY EXCITING DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE IN THE OTTI VALLEY REGIONAL PARK.

UM, TWO OF THE PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING ON IS THE ACTIVE RECREATION AREA THREE AND THE HERITAGE STAGING AREA AND TRAILS PROJECT.

SO THE OTTA VALLEY REGIONAL PARK, OVRP FOR SHORT, UM, AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, IS A MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL PLANNING EFFORT BY THE COUNTY AND THE CITIES OF SAN DIEGO AND CHULA VISTA.

THE, THE O THE OVRP, UM, SITS IN SOUTHERN SAN DIEGO COUNTY, AND IT'S ABOUT FOUR MILES NORTH OF THE INTERNATIONAL BORDER.

IT SPANS 11 MILES FROM THE SAN DIEGO, SAN DIEGO BAY SALT PONDS, ALL THE WAY EAST TO THE LOWER AND UPPER OTTA RESERVOIRS.

SEE IF I CAN POINT RESERVOIRS.

WE KNOW THE BAYS OVER HERE.

UM, AND SO THE LONG-TERM VISION FOR THE OVRP PLAN IS TO DEVELOP AND CREATE RECREATIONAL PARK AND LA PARK AND LAND SPACES FROM PLAYING FIELDS AND PICNIC AREAS TO HIKING, BIKING, AND HORSE TRAILS.

THE PARK WILL PROVIDE VISITORS WITH A VARIETY OF RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AND DEVELOPMENT WILL BE BALANCED BY EFFORTS TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE NATIVE HABITATS, LOCAL WILDLIFE, AND CULTURAL RESOURCES.

UM, AS THE PARK STANDS TODAY, THE ONLY ACTIVE RECREATION AREA IS JUST BY THE OTAI RESERVOIRS.

SO IF WE MOVE JUST A LITTLE BIT SOUTH TO THE SOUTH BAY AREA BY THE POND, BY THE BAY, UM, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE IN THIS REGIONAL PARK ANY ACTIVE RECREATIONAL SPACE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

LEADING TO THE BAY SHORE BIKEWAY AND FENTON POND.

SO THAT BRINGS US TO, UM, ONE OF OUR LARGER DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, THE, THE ACTIVE RECREATION AREA THREE PARK.

SO IT SITS, UM, BETWEEN THE SEGMENT OF THE OVRP PARK OF, UH, OF THE FIVE AND THE 8 0 5, UM, RIGHT AT HOLSTER STREET AND BYER BOULEVARD.

IT SITS SOUTH OF THE OTAY RIVER AND, AND NORTH OF PALM AVENUE.

IT'S SURROUNDED BY HILLS TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTHEAST.

AND THE SITE CURRENTLY INCLUDES UNDEVELOPED AREAS, A TREE NURSERY AND, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS AND SURROUNDED BY NEIGHBORHOODS OF LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USE.

THE SOUTH AND AN INDUSTRIAL PLANT TO THE NORTH, IT'S 45 ACRES.

UH, THE FUTURE PARK IS, WILL MOST LIKELY BE ACCESSED PRIMARILY FROM PALM AVENUE NEAR THE TROLLEY STATION.

OH, COULD YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE, PLEASE? UH, BACK ONE SLIDE, PLEASE.

OH, .

THANK YOU, .

UM, SO YES, THE, THE PARK WILL PRIMARILY, UH, BE ACCESSED FROM PALM AVENUE NEAR THE TROLLEY STATION, UM, AND WILL CONNECT TRAILS

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NO WORRIES.

UM, IT EXPERIENCES SEASONAL FLOODING, UH, WHICH WILL REQUIRE FLOOD RESISTANT IMPROVEMENTS.

THE SITE INCLUDES DESIGNATED BIOLOGICAL ZONES NEEDING ADDITIONAL PERMITTING FOR DEVELOPMENT.

SIGNIFICANT SLOPES ARE PRESENT GUIDING THE LAYER OF AMENITIES ACROSS, UM, THE DIFFERENT ELEVATION PADS.

CULTURAL RESOURCES ARE NOT CURRENTLY DEPICTED ON THIS MAP, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN NOTED IN PREVIOUS STUDIES.

AND WHAT YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PRELIMINARY SITE ANALYSIS MAP IS, UM, THE MHPA MULTIPLE HABITAT, A SPECIES AREA, THE COASTAL OVERLAY ZONE.

YOU CAN SEE THE FLOOD, THE FLOODWAY, AND SOME OF THE EXISTING TRAILS, AND SOME JURISDICTIONAL WATERWAY WATERWAYS.

AND SO THE WHITE AREAS IS THE AREAS THAT ARE MOST PRIMED FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT TOO MUCH ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, DISTURBANCES.

AND THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO ABOUT HALF OF THE SITE WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR, UM, PARK DEVELOPMENT.

SO, UM, I'M HERE TODAY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ASK LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS, UM, DIFFERENT COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY GROUPS TO HELP SPREAD THE WORD.

UM, ON THIS PARK PROJECT, WE DO HAVE A SURVEY ONLINE, AND WE'VE DONE SEVERAL MORE, UM, LENGTHY PRESENTATIONS THAT ARE RECORDED.

UM, AND SO WE'VE GOT SURVEYS, THIS SURVEY FOR THIS PARK PROJECT, UM, REQUESTING AMENITIES FROM ALL THE SOUTH BAY COMMUNITY.

EVERYONE'S PREFERENCES IS GONNA CLOSE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, AND SO WE'RE JUST ASKING DIFFERENT, UH, COMMUNITY GROUPS AND COUNCILS TO HELP SHARE THIS INFORMATION.

THE SURVEY CAN BE FOUND USING THIS QR CODE.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE WHAT WE CALL AN ENGAGE HQ PAGE.

SO HERE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIND THE SURVEY, UM, THE, THE FULL PRESENTATION.

ALL OF THESE MAPS REALLY IN DEPTH, UM, HISTORY OF THE SITE.

SO ALL THAT INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND HERE AND EASILY, YOU KNOW, SHARED WITH LISTSERVS OR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SLIDE PLEASE.

I GUESS I CAN DO THAT.

WHERE THE TRAILS ARE GONNA GO THERE.

ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO THE NEXT PROJECT THAT I'M HERE TO PRESENT IS THE HERITAGE STAGING AREA AND TRAILS PROJECT.

SO THIS IS ABOUT THE STAGING AREA WILL CONSIST OF A TWO AND A HALF ACRE, UH, STAGING SPACE RIGHT ON HERITAGE ROAD, AND THEN CON, AND THEN DEVELOPING THE REST OF THE TRAILS BETWEEN THE, THE 8 0 5 AND HERITAGE ROAD.

CURRENTLY FROM THE FIVE AND THE 8 0 5, WE HAVE EXISTING OVRP BRANDED TRAILS.

THIS PROJECT IS LOOKING TO ADD ONTO THOSE TRAILS IN WHAT'S KNOWN AS ZONE A, WHICH IS REALLY THE FIVE ALL THE WAY TO HERITAGE ROAD.

SO THE STAGING AREA AND THE TRAILS, UM, WILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE HIKERS, BIKERS, AND EQUESTRIANS AND IMPROVE ACCESS AND TRAIL CONNECTIONS FROM HERITAGE ROAD TO INTERSTATE 8 0 5, SEVERAL EXISTING AND FORTHCOMING EASEMENTS WITHIN THE PROJECT AREA OWNED BY THE COUNTY AND THE CITIES OF SAN DIEGO AND CHULA VISTA WILL ENABLE A FULL TRAIL LOOP SYSTEM.

THE SYSTEM WILL CONNECT TO EXISTING TRAILS WEST OF 8 0 5 AND EXTEND EAST TO THE PROPOSED HERITAGE STAGING AREA.

SO HERE ON THIS MAP, YOU CAN SEE THE FULL LENGTH OF THE SECTION, THE SEGMENT OF THE OVRP THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

AGAIN, THAT'S, UM, 8 0 5 TO HERITAGE ROAD.

UM, THIS MAP IS A PRELIMINARY SITE ANALYSIS.

YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE, UM, SOME OF THE STEEPER AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN NOTED, SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE A LOT OF THE NOISE IS GONNA COME FROM, THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, BUFFER WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF VEGETATION.

AND THIS MAP OVER HERE IS A SIDE ANALYSIS OF THE STA THE TWO AND A HALF ACRE STAGING AREA PARCEL.

SO THIS ACTUALLY ALSO INCLUDES THE FUTURE HERITAGE BRIDGE, UM, PROJECT THAT THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA IS LEADING.

SO WE WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALK THERE.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL EQUESTRIAN TRAILER PARKING HERE, UM, RESTROOM BUILDINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE FLOODWAY, UM, ANALYSIS IN HERE, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER, UH, SOUND MITIGATING NEEDS THAT WE'LL MOST LIKELY HAVE FROM SOME OF THE URBAN DEVELOPMENT NEARBY.

SO, UM, ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE A, WE'VE DONE SOME LARGER AND MORE IN DEPTH, UH, PRESENTATIONS ON THIS AREA, AGAIN, INCLUDING A LOT OF THE SITE HISTORY, WHAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THIS SEGMENT, UM, AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS.

SO YOU CAN FIND THOSE FULL PRESENTATIONS RECORDED.

AND, UM, AS WELL AS LIKE THE LARGER PDF ON OUR ENGAGE HQ PAGE.

WE DO HAVE A SURVEY AS WELL THAT CAN BE FOUND ON THIS QR CODE OR THE ENGAGE PAGE.

UM, IN THE SURVEY, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF AMENITIES IN THE STAGING AREA IN THE TRAILS.

UM, A LOT OF THOSE EASEMENTS AND POTENTIAL ALIGNMENTS ARE, ARE PRETTY STRICT IN THE SENSE THAT THEY'RE MOST LIKELY, UM, GONNA STAY ON THE TOP OF THE SLOPE OF THE RIVER VALLEY.

SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM TO DESIGNATE

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A LOT OF THEM ARE ALREADY ALIGNED, BUT WE DO WANT FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC AND, YOU KNOW, THE SOUTH BAY COMMUNITY OF WHAT AMENITIES THEY WANNA SEE ALONG THE TRAILS, AND MORE SPECIFICALLY THE STAGING AREA.

UM, SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

AGAIN, WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO REALLY GET THIS INFORMATION OUT AND GET SOME HELP, UM, GETTING THIS INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY AROUND HERE.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR ME, MY INFORMATION IS UP HERE.

I DID LEAVE SOME CARDS AND COPIES OF THIS PRESENTATION OUT ON THE FRONT DESK AS WELL.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

HAVE A GOOD ONE.

UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UH, I, I WOULD HAVE, I HAVE ONE, ONE COMMENT.

UM, THIS REGIONAL PARK SYSTEM IS ONE COMPONENT OF A MUCH, MUCH LARGER TRAIL AND PARK SYSTEM THAT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND FROM OAI UP THE BAYFRONT SWEETWATER.

AND HOPEFULLY, I DON'T KNOW YET IF THEY TIE BACK IN OAI AND SWEETWATER UP THERE AT THAT NORTHEAST CORNER QUADRANT OF THE, THE OVERALL PICTURE.

BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WANNA PUT IN THERE, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S BEEN DECADES IN THE MAKING, QUITE LITERALLY DECADES IN THE MAKING, UH, THIS WHOLE REGIONAL TRAIL PLAN THAT IS MUCH MORE MASSIVE THAN JUST THE OTAI, UH, REGIONAL PARK SYSTEM.

UH, AND THAT YOU MIGHT WANNA INSERT A SLIDE, JUST ONE SLIDE TO SHOW THE EXTENT, UH, AND THE WORK THAT THE CITIES IN THIS REGION HAVE PUT INTO THIS, THIS WHOLE BIG SYSTEM FOR BIKING FROM IMPERIAL BEACH, UH, SOUTH SAN DIEGO, CHULA VISTA, NATIONAL CITY, THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO, ALL OF THESE JURISDICTIONS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR DECADES.

I USED TO WORK FOR CHULA VISTA PLANNING AND KNEW THE PLANTERS WHO WORKED ON A LOT OF THAT STUFF.

SO YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK, UH, SOME OF THIS CURRENTLY CONNECTS TO THE CHULA VISTA GREEN BELT, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.

AND THEN THIS HERITAGE PROJECT WILL ADD TO THAT AND ALSO BE ADDING TO THE, UM, THE BAYSHORE BIKEWAY.

WE'LL BE CONNECTING TO THAT.

SO, ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

RIGHT.

A LOT OF THE WORK THAT OUR GOOD PLANNERS HAVE BEEN PUTTING IN ON IT HERE RECENTLY AS WELL, .

SO WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

IT'S, IT'S, IT A VERY BIG DEAL FOR THE WHOLE REGION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

UH, A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT FOR OFF SALE BEER, WINE, AND DISTILLED SPIRITS.

WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON, UM, TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UM, THIS IS THE TIME AND THE PLACE FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS TO CONSIDER ITEM FIVE,

[5. Public Hearing – Conditional Use Permit and Coastal Development Permit for off-sale beer, wine, and distilled spirits (ABC Type 21) for an existing gift business located at 900 Civic Center Drive in the Coastal Zone]

THAT'S AN A B, C TYPE 21 FOR AN EXISTING GIFT SHOP LOCATED AT 900 CIVIC CENTER DRIVE IN THE COASTAL ZONE.

I HEREBY CALL THE PUBLIC MEETING TO ORDER OR THE PUBLIC HEARING, EXCUSE ME, TO ORDER BEFORE WE BEGIN, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES RELATING TO THIS HEARING? THIS IS EACH PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S OPPORTUNITY TO DISCLOSE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, PROPERTY INSPECTIONS, EX PARTE CONTACTS, COMMUNICATIONS, ET CETERA.

COMMISSIONER ARMINTA.

SO FOR THIS, UH, PROPERTY, I, I DID DRIVE BY A FEW DAYS AGO JUST TO LOOK AT THE LOCATION.

UH, COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ I IS WRITTEN BY THEIR, OKAY.

THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY OF THE NOTICES IS REQUIRED BY LAW BEING GIVEN.

AND DO WE HAVE THE COMPLETE FILE OF EXHIBITS, CORRESPONDENCE, AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YES, CHAIR.

WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM FOR US.

GOOD EVENING.

UM, MR. CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF, PUBLIC, UH, MY NAME IS MARTIN REEDER.

I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AND I'LL BE MAKING THE PRESENTATION ON, UH, THIS ITEM.

SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

SO I'LL GO INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT.

BUT, UH, THE BUILDING IN QUESTION IS, UH, AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING IN AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE, A MEDIUM INDUSTRIAL ZONE, UH, WEST OF THE, UH, WEST OF WHERE WE ARE NOW, WEST OF THE FIVE SUN CIVIC CENTER DRIVE, LEADING INTO TIDELANDS AVENUE, UH, OVER NEAR THE MARINE TERMINAL.

AND THAT HAPPENS TO BE, AS YOU KNOW, IN THE COASTAL ZONE, HENCE THE REASON FOR THE COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

SO THE EXISTING BUSINESS IS REALLY A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS.

IT'S A COMPANY THAT, UH, SPECIALIZES IN PACKAGING AND ENGRAVING OF GIFT PRODUCTS, INCLUDING BOTTLES OF ALCOHOL THAT, UH, ONCE PURCHASED ARE ETCHED AND USUALLY MADE PART OF SOME KIND OF A GIFT PACKAGE.

AND SOLD, UH, MOST OF THE, UH, THE SALES AND ADVERTISING IS ONLINE.

WHILE IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO COME AND PICK SOMETHING UP THERE, THAT TYPICALLY DOESN'T

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HAPPEN.

SO MOST OF THE, THE ACTIVITIES RELATED TO THE BUSINESS ARE EITHER MANUFACTURING ON SITE OR ASSEMBLY ON SITE, AND SHIPPING AND SELLING ONLINE.

OTHER USES IN THIS AREA ARE PREDOMINANTLY INDUSTRIAL, PARTICULARLY TO THE SOUTH AND EAST WITHIN THE CITY.

THOSE ARE ALL PART OF THE MM, CZ ZONE, MEDIUM MANUFACTURING, MEDIUM INDUSTRIAL.

AND ACROSS THE STREET TO THE WEST IS GONNA BE YOUR, YOUR MARITIME, YOUR MARINE TERMINAL, PORT OF SAN DIEGO, US NAVY, ET CETERA.

THE CENSUS TRACT, WHAT, BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALCOHOL SALES, IS TWO 19, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE THE ENTIRE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY FROM NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD TO THE COAST, FROM DIVISION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE 54.

SO IT'S THE LARGEST CENSUS TRACT IN THE CITY.

GEOGRAPHICALLY, UH, HAS THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE LIVING THERE AS THE OTHERS.

IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE LARGER 'CAUSE IT'S A PREDOMINANTLY INDUSTRIAL AREA.

SO THIS IS AN OBLIQUE PHOTO SHOWING THE, THE BUILDING EQUESTRIANS TWO STORY INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.

AS YOU CAN SEE, PRETTY UNREMARKABLE.

DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANY SIGNAGE OR, OR PEDESTRIAN OR FRONTAGE, ET CETERA.

THIS IS A, A RATHER UNIQUE SITUATION, AS YOU'VE PROBABLY SURMISED FROM THE STAFF REPORT.

SO THE COMPANY THAT'S THERE, THEY'VE BEEN THERE, THEIR NAME IS ETCHING EXPRESSIONS.

UH, THEY'VE BEEN THERE, UH, FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AT LEAST.

AND, UH, AMONG THE THINGS THAT THEY DO WITH THEIR ONLINE ORDERS, WE HAVE BOTTLES OF WINE AND BOTTLES OF DISTILLED SPIRITS AND POTENTIALLY OTHER GIFT ITEMS THAT ARE ENGRAVED AND, AND PACKAGED UP, AS I MENTIONED, UH, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE.

AND, UH, PREVIOUSLY THE, THE OPERATORS WERE BUYING ANY ALCOHOLIC PRODUCTS ON A RETAIL BASIS.

SO THEY WERE GOING TO THE STORE AND BUYING THEM AND THEN RESELLING THEM TO AS, AS PART OF THIS SERVICE.

THEY DIDN'T NEED ANY PARTICULAR PERMITS AND WE DIDN'T, UH, REQUIRE A CUP AT THAT TIME BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T SELLING GENERALLY TO THE PUBLIC.

THEY WERE, UM, BUYING IT THEMSELVES.

BUT THAT'S COSTING THEM A LOT OF MONEY.

SO RATHER THAN DO IT THAT WAY, THEY WANT TO HAVE, BE ABLE TO BUY THAT ALCOHOL WHOLESALE.

WHILE THEY DON'T DO A LOT OF BUSINESS WITH THAT, IT DOES MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, UH, WITH THEIR PARTICULAR MARGINS, WHICH THE APPLICANT WILL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IN A LITTLE BIT.

BUT BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE RESELLING ALCOHOL THAT WAS BOUGHT ON THE WHOLESALE MARKET, THAT TRIGGERS THE NEED WITH A B, C FOR A PERMIT.

AND THAT WOULD BE A TYPE 21 PERMIT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE IN A MARKET OR A LIQUOR STORE.

SO WHILE THAT IS NOT THE MODEL OF THIS BUSINESS, NOR TO OPERATE THAT WAY, THEY WOULD STILL NEED THAT PERMIT.

AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE ARE REQUIRING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

AND BECAUSE THE AREA IS IN THE COASTAL ZONE AND WE'RE, WE HAVE A NEED FOR A DISCRETIONARY PERMIT, THAT BEING THE CUP, WE ALSO NEED A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

IT ISN'T AN AREA THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE EXEMPT FROM A COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

MOST OF OUR INDUSTRIAL AREA IS, BUT ANY DISCRETIONARY REQUIREMENT TRIGGERS THAT CDP OR COASTAL PERMIT.

UH, AS YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, WITH THE, UH, LAND USE CODE RELATED TO ALCOHOL SALES, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL MAILING.

WE HAVE A, A COMMUNITY MEETING REQUIREMENT.

WE LOOK AT CENSUS TRACK CONCENTRATION.

WE LOOK AT DISTANCE FROM SCHOOLS.

MOST OF THESE DON'T REALLY, UM, APPLY IN THIS CASE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT A TRADITIONAL, UH, RETAIL TYPE OF OF USE.

HOWEVER, WE DID, UH, MAKE THE APPLICANT DO THAT SAME REQUIREMENT.

SO A 660 FOOT MAILING ONLY, UH, TURNED OUT 72 OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS.

'CAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OVER THERE.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF REPEAT OWNERS AND LARGER PROPERTIES.

THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WAS HELD.

THERE WERE NO ATTENDEES.

UH, THAT INFORMATION IS ATTACHED TO YOUR PACKET.

AS FAR AS HOW MANY CENSUS OR HOW MANY, UH, LICENSES ARE ON THE CENSUS TRACK.

THERE ARE QUITE A FEW.

THERE ARE NINE IN THAT CENSUS TRACT, TWO OF WHICH ARE IN THE CITY OF CHULA VISTA.

ONE IS GENERALLY RECOMMENDED BECAUSE IT IS AN AREA WITH, WITH VERY FEW RESIDENCES IN THERE.

VERY, VERY LITTLE IN WAY OF POPULATION.

UM, BUT HOWEVER, THIS IS A NON-STANDARD, NON-RETAIL TYPE OF USE.

WE'RE NOT EXPECTING THE SAME IMPACTS THAT, UH, COULD POTENTIALLY BE ASSOCIATED WITH A, UH, LIQUOR STORE OR MARKET, LET'S SAY.

AND THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS IN THIS AREA, AS YOU KNOW, THE HOURS OF OPERATION, WHILE WE NORMALLY LOOK AT THAT WITH REGARD TO WHEN SALES OCCUR, WHEN PEOPLE WILL BE COMING AND GOING, THE BUSINESS ONLY OPERATES DURING THE WEEK, SO MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, NINE TO FIVE.

SO THE CONDITIONS ARE BASED ON THAT, EVEN THOUGH, AGAIN, IT'S NOT A, A STOREFRONT AS FAR AS, UH, THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT OR SEQUENCE IS CONCERNED.

WE WOULD NOT CONSIDER THIS A PROJECT.

'CAUSE THERE IS NO, THERE'S NO PHYSICAL CHANGE.

IT WOULD BE TRIGGERED BY THIS USE.

THERE WOULD BE NO, UH, CHANCE OF AN INDIRECT PHYSICAL CHANGE.

NOTHING IS CHANGING.

THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGING IS THE, UM, IS THE WAY THE ALCOHOL IS PURCHASED.

INITIALLY, WE DID GET A RISK ASSESSMENT AS USUAL FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IT WAS, UH, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, PRETTY LOW IN, IN THE NUMBER OF POINTS.

IT WAS SEVEN.

THAT'S ONE OF THE LOWEST WE'VE HAD.

THE REASON BEING 'CAUSE IT IS A NON-TRADITIONAL

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TYPE OF BUSINESS.

UM, CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE LIMITED THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ACTIVITY.

THERE IS, UH, IT WAS A LITTLE HIGHER JUST BECAUSE OF THE LICENSE CONCENTRATION AS NORMAL.

AND AS FAR AS THE INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC STRATEGIES, GIVEN THE NON-TRADITIONAL NATURE AND NON-RETAIL NATURE OF THIS APPLICATION, THEY HAD NO CONCERNS THAT THEY NOTED IN THEIR COMMENTS.

SO GENERALLY, UH, WE ARE CONSIDERING THIS USED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH BOTH THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE LAND USE CODE.

AND THAT'S AN EXISTING USE.

IT'S NOT REALLY CHANGING, UH, VERY NON-TRADITIONAL AND NOT EXPECTING ANY IMPACTS RELATED TO ALCOHOL SALES THAT MIGHT OTHERWISE EXIST AT A, UH, A LIQUOR STORE OR MARKET SUCH AS LOITERING OR DRUNK IN PUBLIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WHILE TECHNICALLY SOMEONE COULD COME TO THE STORE TO BUY ALCOHOL, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ONLY, THEY WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED TO PURCHASE IT AS PART OF AN ORDER FOR A CUSTOM GIFT BASKET OR GIFT OR WHATEVER THE, UH, ETCHING EXPRESSIONS WILL BE, WHATEVER PRODUCT THEY'LL BE PROVIDING.

AND THAT IS, UH, ENCOMPASSED IN OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

AND I DID, UH, ONE THING I DIDN'T MENTION IS THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE A TYPE 21 LICENSE, THERE IS A REQUIRED DISPLAY AREA, QUOTE UNQUOTE.

AND, UH, IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THAT, THE APPLICANT IS PUTTING ABOUT A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET, 10 BY 10 ON THE SECOND FLOOR IN AN AREA THAT'S NOT EVEN REALLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

BUT IT IS, IT DOES MEET THE A BC REQUIREMENTS.

IT'S JUST GONNA BE A, UM, GLASS DISPLAY CABINET WITH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY WOULD OTHERWISE, UH, BE ABLE TO SELL OR EXPECT TO SELL.

AND, UH, THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE CONDITIONS AS WELL.

ALTHOUGH WE, WE DO CONSIDER THIS, THIS CENSUS CONTRACT CENSUS TRACT TO BE OVER CONCENTRATED, EXCUSE ME, BECAUSE OF THE NON-RETAIL NATURE, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING ANY OF THE NORMAL, UH, IMPACTS TO APPLY.

SO OUR OPTIONS THIS EVENING ARE TO APPROVE THE PROJECT BASED ON THE CONDITIONS IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION ATTACHED, OR ANY OTHERS THAT YOU MAY WISH TO ADD, UH, DENY BASED ON FINDINGS IN THE CONDITIONS, UH, EXCUSE ME, IN THE RESOLUTION OR OTHER FINDINGS.

WE CAN CONTINUE IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND COASTAL DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.

AND WITH, AS WITH ALL OTHER APPLICATIONS OF THIS NATURE, WE'LL BE GOING AS A NOTICE OF DECISION TO CITY COUNCIL AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING.

AND, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL.

UH, SO THAT CONCLUDES SAS REPORT.

OR B LIKE DELIVERY TRUCKS, UM, AND, AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF AND SHIPPING ACTIVITIES.

THANK YOU, MR. READER.

UH, I INVITE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THEIR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION.

PLEASE.

WHAT IS YOUR NAME, SIR? GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS STEVE RAWLINGS.

I AM, UH, HERE AS A CONSULTANT TO ETCHING EXPRESSIONS.

UH, FOR THE RECORD, WE DO, UH, CONCUR WITH MARTIN'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, AND WE DO AGREE TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS PRESENTED TO YOU.

UH, THIS EVENING, I DID WANNA KIND OF EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT, UH, MARTIN WAS SAYING.

THIS IS DEFINITELY AN OUT OF THE ORDINARY REQUEST HERE.

I HAVE PROCESSED, UM, PROBABLY A HALF A DOZEN OF SIMILAR TYPES OF BUSINESSES.

ONE IN SANTA FE SPRINGS, UM, ONE IN MARIETTA, UM, ANOTHER ONE IN, UH, COSTA MESA, I BELIEVE.

BASICALLY, UH, WE'RE ALL PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH BI GIFT BASKET TYPE OF, OF COMPANIES.

UH, VERY, VERY, UH, POPULAR TO SELL SOMEBODY A, A BOTTLE OF WINE AND A GIFT BASKET, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

UM, UH, THE OWNER OF THIS BUSINESS GOT INTO THIS BUSINESS MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.

THEY ETCH WINE GLASSES, BEER MUGS, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AND THEN THE ALCOHOL, UM, SOMETIMES IT WILL JUST BE KIND OF A BOTTLE LIKE, YOU KNOW, A HAPPY ANNIVERSARY, HAPPY 50TH BIRTHDAY TYPE OF, OF, UH, TYPE OF, UH, PRODUCT THERE.

AND IT, IT, IT'S ONGOING NOW.

UM, THEY ARE PURCHASING THE PRODUCT FROM A RETAILER, BRINGING IT INTO THE WAREHOUSE AND SELLING IT ONLINE WITH THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR GIFT BASKETS.

NOW, SOMETIMES THEY ONLY SELL GLASSES OR MUGS, BUT MANY, MANY TIMES PEOPLE ARE ORDERING THAT.

AND THEY ALSO DO SOME, SOMETIMES BIG, BIG ORDERS, BIG BULK ORDERS FOR COMPANIES.

YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT BE, A COMPANY MIGHT BE GIVING OUT A BUNCH OF GIFT BASKETS TO CUSTOMERS OR, OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

UM, SO THAT'S THE, THAT, AND, AND THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST IS IF WE WANNA, UM, WORK IN THE DISTILLED SPIRITS, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR THE TYPE 21 LICENSE.

THIS IS A, UH, AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.

UM, AND THEY DO, I GUESS, LIGHT MANUFACTURING OR ASSEMBLAGE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

UM, I DID, DID WANT TO TOUCH ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION.

THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY ENTER INTO THE BUILDING WOULD BE FROM 9:00 AM TO 5:00 PM NOW.

UM, THEY SOMETIMES DO WORK, UH, A LOT LONGER THAN THAT, BUT THAT IS IN THE BACK.

UM, IN THE FULFILLMENT THERE, WE'LL HAVE EMPLOYEES, UM, OUTSIDE OF NINE TO FIVE, IT'S JUST EITHER A EMPLOYEES

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BUT, UM, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, THE FRONT DOOR IS KIND OF OPEN BETWEEN NINE AND FIVE.

UM, AND IF YOU WANTED TO COME UP AND BUY SOMETHING ON SITE, YOU WALK IN THIS VERY OBSCURE DOOR, UM, IT'S A METAL DOOR WITH NO SIGN ON IT, AND THEN YOU IMMEDIATELY WALK UP A, A, UH, PRETTY STEEP FLIGHT OF STAIRS, AND THEN YOU'RE AT A LANDING, AND THEN THERE'S SOMEBODY THERE THAT SAYS, CAN I HELP YOU? AND, UH, AND THEN THAT AT THAT POINT, SOMEBODY WOULD ASK TO ASK, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO BUY A GIFT BASKET ON, ON THE PREMISES.

AND, AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE THAT SALE ON THE PREMISES.

OTHERWISE, EVERYTHING ELSE IS ESSENTIALLY DONE, UH, ONLINE.

UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY EVEN TAKE PHONE ORDERS AT THIS POINT, UM, UH, IN TIME.

SO, ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S THE, UM, THAT'S THE REQUEST.

AND, UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, UM, LIKE I SAID, I'VE DONE THIS IN SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES AND HAD TO KIND OF EXPLAIN TO 'EM, NO, THIS IS NOT GONNA BECOME A, UH, YOU KNOW, A A RETAIL STORE.

AND CLEARLY BY THE LOCATION AND THE FACT THAT IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 25 PLUS YEARS.

I, I HOPE THAT YOU HAVE THE COMFORT LEVEL THAT THIS IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT IS JUST, JUST FOR, UH, BUSINESS PURPOSES.

AND WE HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF BEING IN THE RETAIL, UH, ALCOHOL BUSINESS.

HOWEVER, THOUGH, THE TYPE 21 LICENSE DOES REQUIRE THAT WE BE ALLOWED, IF SOMEBODY DID SHOW UP AND WANT TO BUY A PRODUCT, UH, WE WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO SELL THEM.

BUT AS THE CONDITION READS, WE HAVE TO SELL IT TO 'EM IN A GIFT BASKET TYPE OF FORM.

UM, WHICH I CERTAINLY THINK IS NOT GOING TO BE THE PREFERENCE OF, OF MANY PEOPLE LOOKING TO MAKE THAT PURCHASE.

THEY'RE GONNA GO TO A GROCERY STORE.

SO, AND WE HAVE NO SIGNS, NO ADVERTISING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

SO WITH THAT, I'M, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU, MR. ROWINGS.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

WE WILL NOW HEAR LIVE FROM ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.

EACH PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A MAXIMUM TIME OF THREE MINUTES.

MADAM SECRETARY, ARE THERE ANY MEMBER, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE MATTER, EITHER IN PERSON OR ON ZOOM? NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.

I REQUEST THE SECRETARY PROCEED WITH DISCLOSING IF ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED IN WRITING.

MADAM SECRETARY, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UH, STAFF, WOULD YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I HAVE ONE, YES.

COMMISSIONER ARMA.

SO MY QUESTION IS FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, YOU DID MENTION THAT THE DISTILLED LIQUORS WOULD BE SOLD IN GIFT BASKETS.

CORRECT.

NOW, WOULD THEY BE, DO THEY HAVE TO BE ETCHED OR BASICALLY, UM, OFTEN SOMEBODY CAN, OKAY.

SORRY, I'M NO, NO, I'M SORRY.

NO, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, SOMEBODY GOES IN THERE AND THEY WANT A BOTTLE OF LIQUOR, IT JUST HAS TO BE IN THE BASKET, OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE ETCHED AS WELL? UM, OUR, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY INTERESTED IN SELLING SOMEBODY JUST A, A BOTTLE, A GIFT BASKET WOULD INCLUDE OTHER PRODUCTS, TYPICALLY, UM, WINE GLASSES, UM, SOMETIMES YOU PUT IN M AND MS AND SOME OTHER TYPES OF PRODUCTS LIKE THAT.

AND, AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHAT THE CONDITION OF, OF APPROVAL CALLS FOR.

UM, AND, AND AS I MENTIONED, NOT EVERY TIME IS THE ACTUAL BOTTLE ETCH.

SOMETIMES IT'S A PAIR OF WINE GLASSES OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT THE INTENTION OF THE CONDITION WAS THAT NO, YOU COULDN'T JUST COME UP AND SAY, HEY, I, I, I I WANT A BOTTLE.

IT'S LIKE, WELL, I'VE GOT THAT GIFT BASKET, THAT GIFT BASKET, THAT GIFT BASKET, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PURCHASE.

WHO ORDERED IT HAS TO BE THE PERSON THAT IS PRESENTING, UM, THE ID.

UH, YES, VICE CHAIR CASTLE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

UM, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, UM, HOW, HOW DO THEY, UH, VERIFY THAT A PERSON IS 21 OR OLDER WHEN THEY'RE SHIPPING THESE? UH, THEY, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT WHEN YOU DELIVER ALCOHOL, UM, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CARDED.

I MEAN, IF YOU'VE EVER RECEIVED, UH, I, I'VE RECEIVED, UM, GIFTS FROM PEOPLE AND IT'S ALCOHOL, AND, UH, THE UPS DRIVER WON'T, WON'T LEAVE IT AT MY DOORSTEP.

YES, I, I'M, I'M AWARE OF THAT.

BUT DO, WHEN, WHEN THE ORDER IS PLACED, UM, DO THEY GET A, DO THEY, THEY, BECAUSE YOU SAID IT WAS ONLINE, DO THEY HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THEY'RE 21 OR OLDER ONLINE TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE IT THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, SUBMITTING THEIR IDENTIFICATION AND THEN AS WELL, WHEN, UH, THE ALCOHOL IS DELIVERED? IS IT THE PERSON WHO ORDERED IT, IS SHOWING THE ID FOR THE, UM, THE, THE DELIVERY OF THE PRODUCT? SO, UM, DEFINITELY WHEN THE PRODUCT IS BEING DELIVERED, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON

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UM, EXCEPT IN LIKE A RESIDENTIAL SITUATION, MY WIFE WAS THERE AND THEY, SHE SHOWED HER ID AND SHE WAS AN ADULT IN, IN THE RESIDENCE THERE.

UM, IN TERMS OF ONLINE, UM, THERE MOST ALCOHOL, UM, DEALING COMPANIES, UM, BASICALLY ASK YOU TO CLICK IF YOU'RE OVER THE AGE OF 21, BUT THERE'S NO REQUEST FOR DRIVER'S LICENSES, UM, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT, IT'S JUST A, I'M OVER 21 TYPE OF, UM, SELF DECLARATION THERE.

AND THEN, UM, UH, THE DELIVERY COMPANIES HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO, UH, IDENTIFY THE PERSON.

AND WE DON'T DELIVER PERSONALLY, WE USE THIRD PARTY, UM, CARRIERS.

AND ONCE IN A WHILE, CLIENT MIGHT COME AND PICK UP, AND WHEN YOU USE THOSE THIRD PARTY DELIVERY COMPANIES, THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE DELIVERING ALCOHOL THAT'S BEEN MADE AWARE.

OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

VERY, VERY, VERY MUCH SO.

AND THAT'S THAT PART OF THE BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY ONLINE SALES HAS KIND OF GROWN IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, AND I KNOW THAT ABC'S BEEN DEALING WITH A LOT OF THAT, AND THAT'S BEEN A, A COMMON CONCERN ABOUT, GEE, HOW ARE WE GONNA DO AN ID CHECK? SO IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN VETTED QUITE A BIT.

AND, UM, I I BELIEVE THAT A B, C MONITORS IT, UH, RATHER CAREFULLY.

AND I HAVE NOT HEARD OF RAMPANT ISSUES WITH THAT.

AND A LOT OF OUR ORDERS SOMETIMES ARE JUST GOING TO BUSINESSES.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SOMEBODY'S HOME.

YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESS CUSTOMERS, ESPECIALLY IN THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

IT'S CALLED ETCHING EXPRESSIONS.

CAN, HOW MANY PEOPLE WORK AT THIS? UH, IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE BIT SEASONAL.

UM, UH, THEY, THEY'LL BALLOON UP TO PROBABLY 40 PEOPLE, UH, DURING MORE IN THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

AND, AND IN THE NOT SO PEAK PERIOD OF TIME, IT'LL BE 10 TO 20, UH, PEOPLE.

YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S IT.

I MEAN, NOT EVERY GIFT BASKET IS ALCOHOL.

I MEAN, IT'S, SOMETIMES IT'S, IT'S, THEY, THEY ETCH PLAQUES OR, YOU KNOW, CRYSTAL THINGS.

AND IT'S NOT A NECESSARILY EVEN A BEER MUG OR A WINE GLASS.

I'M JUST USING THOSE JUST FOR THE, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO GIVE A RECOGNITION AWARD, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMEBODY, AND THERE'S A NICE LITTLE LIGHT CRYSTAL THING, THEY, THEY DO SELL THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT.

UH, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT THEIR MAIN LINE PRODUCT.

THEY'VE FOUND IT, YOU KNOW, THEIR PRODUCT IS KIND OF MORE OF THE GIFT BASKETS, BUT THEY, THEY WILL ETCH JUST ABOUT ANYTHING.

IF YOU WANT YOUR HYDRO FLAK SKETCH, THEY'LL, UH, THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT FOR YOU AS WELL.

SO, UM, THE BUSINESS IS REALLY ETCHING.

VERY GOOD.

MR. RAWLINGS STAFF.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? NO CHAIR.

HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER FOREMAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN AS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.

DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN? NO FURTHER.

MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

UM, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION BY ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE VOTE.

I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONERS.

DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES ON THIS MATTER? NO.

IS THERE A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION THAT WOULD LIKE TO BRING A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION? OH, BEFORE WE DO THAT, THERE IS ONE CORRECTION IN THE RESOLUTION I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.

I'M SORRY.

UM, ON PAGE 19 OF, UH, THE RESOLUTION OR PAGE 19 OF THE PACKET, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, IF YOU READ THAT THROUGH, IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE THAT THE PROPOSED USE IS DEEMED ESSENTIAL AND DESIRABLE TO THE PUBLIC CONVENIENCE OR WELFARE BECAUSE CHANGES RESULTING FROM THE APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST WILL THE BUSINESS TO ACHIEVE COST SAVING THAT WILL BE PASSED TO THE CONSUMER.

I THINK THAT THE, UH, ALLOW THE MIDDLE SENTENCE.

YEAH, I THINK A WORD OR TWO THERE MAY BE MISSING.

YOU GOT IT.

WE'LL ADD, ALLOW, MAKE, WE'LL MAKE THAT MAKE SENSE.

ARE YOU MAKING THE MOTION WITH THE CHANGE, MAKING THE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CHANGE OF ADDING ON PAGE 19, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, IN BETWEEN WILL AND THE ADDING THE WORD ALLOW.

SO WITH THAT ONE, CHANGE, UH, THE MAKERS OF THE MOTION, AND FOR THE RECORD,

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WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIR CASTLE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH ZERO SIX, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE ON SALE BEER, WINE, AND DISTILLED SPIRITS.

A B, C TYPE 21 FOR AN EXISTING GIFT BUSINESS, LOCATED AT 900 CIVIC CENTER DRIVE IN THE COASTAL ZONE, CASE FILE NUMBER 2024 DASH FOUR CP APN, 5 59 DASH 0 0 9.

BEING THE MAKER OF THE, UH, MOTION VICE CHAIR CASTLE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FIRST ON THE MOTION.

FURTHER COMMENTS? NO, NOT REALLY.

THEY'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 25 YEARS AND THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING THIS, THE, THE SAME WAY THAT IT'S BEEN, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SUPPORT OUR BUSINESSES.

UM, IF THERE IS NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THIS MOTION.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, PUBLIC HEARING DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.

AND WITH THAT, UH, THAT ITEM IS FINISHED.

WE WILL NOW MOVE

[6. Public Hearing – Determination that the project is categorically exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) under Class 1 of the CEQA guidelines section 15301 (existing facilities) and conditional use permit for beer and wine sales (ABC Type - 41) at an existing restaurant (Mariscos La Capital) located at 801 National City Blvd., Suite 105]

CA UNDER CLASS, ONE OF THE CA GUIDELINES SECTION 1 53 0 1, EXISTING FACILITIES AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR WINE AND FOR BEER AND WINE SALES, A B, C TYPE 41 AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT, MARICO'S LA CAPAL, LOCATED AT 8 0 1 NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD, SUITE ONE OH FIVE.

I HEREBY CALL THE PUBLIC MEETING, THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ORDER.

BEFORE WE BEGIN, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY DISCLOSURES RELATING TO THIS HEARING? YES, COMMISSIONER.

I, I DID.

I STOPPED BY, UH, THE OTHER DAY A COUPLE DAYS AGO, AND I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, MR. JAVIER.

UH, MADAM SECRETARY, HAVE THE NOTICES ARE REQUIRED BY LAW BEEN GIVEN? AND DO WE HAVE THE COMPLETE FILE OF EXHIBITS, CORRESPONDENCE, AND OTHER DOCUMENTS? YES.

CHAIR, WITH THE, UM, EXCEPTION THAT ITEM ITEM SIX, RESOLUTION WAS UPDATED AND POSTED WITH A REVISION TO IT, AND I SENT IT TO EMAIL TO ALL OF YOU.

THIS TIME, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE SUBJECT TO A CUP AS WELL.

WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM FOR US.

THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF PUBLIC, MARTIN REED, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

UH, HERE'S AN OVERHEAD SHOWING THE PROPERTY.

WE'RE A, UH, COMMERCIAL SUITE AT THE BOTTOM OF, OF THE, UH, BAYVIEW SUITES, FORMERLY REDLINE HOTEL, SOUTHEAST CORNER OF NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD AND EIGHTH STREET.

SHOWN IN THE RED SQUARE, THERE IS A SMALL ARROW POINTING TO THE SOUTHERN END, WHICH IS, UH, PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE, UH, THE RESTAURANT IS LOCATED.

SO THIS IS A, UH, A NEWER, UH, A NEW BUSINESS.

THE SITE HAS, HAS PREDOMINANTLY BEEN A RESTAURANT FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

UH, BUT THIS IS A NEW BUSINESS.

SO THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS WITHIN, UH, DEVELOPMENT ZONE FOUR OF THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN, WHICH, UH, IS TYPICALLY A A MIXED USE TYPE ZONE.

THE PROPERTY'S OVER HALF AN ACRE, BUT THAT DOES INCLUDE THE BAYVIEW SUITES AS WELL AS THEIR RECREATION AREA AND PARKING AREA BEHIND.

AND THIS PARTICULAR SUITE IS A LITTLE OVER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND HAS ABOUT 300 SQUARE FEET OF THAT IS GONNA BE YOUR DINING AREA WITH THE REMAIN REMAINDER BEING THE KITCHEN IN THE BACK OF HOUSE.

AND THERE ARE, UH, 30 SEATS WITHIN THAT RESTAURANT IN THIS PARTICULAR CENSUS TRACT, WHICH IS NUMBER ONE 17, UH, WHICH IS THE AREA OF NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD EAST, UH, DOWN TO ABOUT 18TH, UP TO ABOUT PLAZA IS GONNA BE, UH, UH, THERE ARE 16 ON SITES ON SITE, AS IN RESTAURANTS, A, B, C LICENSES ALREADY.

WE'LL GO INTO THAT IN IN A MINUTE.

SO THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO SELL BEER AND WINE, WHICH IS YOUR STANDARD TYPE 41 LICENSE, BEER AND WINE FOR ON SALE OR FOR ONSITE CONSUMPTION.

UH, THAT'S, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT TO BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH FOOD SALES, NOT ONLY BY THE CITY, BUT ALSO A BC.

THE HOURS OF OPERATION OF THE RESTAURANT ARE EIGHT TO 1130 EVERY DAY, AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT REQUESTING ANY LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT

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UH, THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN SHOWING THE DINING AREA, WHICH IS IN THE SHADED AREA TO THE LEFT.

UH, WE'LL GET MORE INTO WHY WE HAVE THAT IN A MOMENT, BUT THAT'S TO DO WITH DISTANCE, UH, DISTANCE FROM SCHOOLS.

UH, AS WE MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION OR THE PREVIOUS ITEM, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ALCOHOL CCPS, PARTICULARLY MAILING THE REQUIREMENT FOR COMMUNITY MEETING AND DISTANCES FROM SCHOOLS.

THE MAILING, UH, BECAUSE IT'S 660 FEET IS GENERALLY FAIRLY LARGE IN A DOWNTOWN AREA LIKE THIS, PARTICULARLY WITH THE BUILDING, IT'S IN BEING, UH, CONDOM MEETING OWNERSHIP.

SO WE DID SEND OUT 778, UH, MAILERS RELATED TO TONIGHT'S MEETING.

UH, THE APPLICANT DID HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING ON SITE.

IT WAS HELD BACK IN MAY.

THERE WAS ONE ATTENDEE.

SO THOSE, THAT INFORMATION IS, UH, ATTACHED TO YOUR STAFF REPORT AGAIN, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE CONCENTRATION.

SO CENSUS TRACK 17 HAS 16 ON SALE LICENSES WHERE 10 ARE RECOMMENDED, BUT OF COURSE IT IS, IT'S QUITE A HEAVY, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL AREA.

IT DOES HAVE BOTH PARTS OF HIGHLAND, UH, AND EIGHTH STREET IN THERE.

SO THAT'S GONNA CATCH A LOT OF BUSINESSES.

UM, AS FAR AS THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS, IT'S, UH, THE, THE REASON WHY WE TALK ABOUT THE 30% IS ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE, THAT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 660 FEET FROM A PUBLIC SCHOOL.

THERE ARE NO PUBLIC, UH, TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOLS WITHIN 660 FEET OF THE PROPERTY, ALTHOUGH THERE IS OF COURSE, INTEGRITY CHARTER SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET.

BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE'S MORE THAN 30% OF THE FLOOR AREA DEVOTED TO SEATING, IT IS EXEMPT FROM ANY DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY MAY BE.

WE ALSO LOOK AT CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7, WHICH IS THE FORMAL COUNCIL POLICY RELATED TO ALCOHOL SALES.

AND THE STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UH, THAT ARE PART OF 7 0 7 ARE, ARE GENERALLY ATTACHED TO THE CONDITIONS IN THE RESOLUTION, WHICH ARE IN THIS CASE.

UH, THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON LIVE ENTERTAINMENT ADVERTISED EVENTS.

WE REQUIRE THE, WE, UH, DO, UH, PUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION IN THERE.

THERE'S THE LEAD TRAINING FOR PEOPLE SERVING ALCOHOL, SO ON AND SO FORTH, AS WELL AS, UH, BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONS CODE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO SPEAKING OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE DID GET A RISK ASSESSMENT AS NORMAL.

SO WE GOT 14 POINTS AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE ASSESSED RISK, WHICH IS CONSIDERED MEDIUM RISK, THAT WOULD BE ANYTHING FROM 13 TO 18 POINTS.

SO THIS WOULD BE CLOSER TO THE BOTTOM END OF THAT, BUT MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE TIME BEING, UH, THE CLOSING BEING AFTER 11, AND THE OVER CONCENTRATION.

THEY'RE USUALLY SOME OF THE REASONS FOR HIGHER, UH, HIGHER POINTS.

UH, THE INSTITUTE OF PUBLIC STRATEGIES ALSO PROVIDED COMMENTS.

THE, WE WILL ALWAYS ASK FOR RESPONSIBLE BEVERAGE SALES AND SERVICE TRAINING.

I THINK IT USED TO BE CALLED LEAD, BUT IT'S, UH, ANYONE THAT HAS TO SERVE HAS TO TAKE THAT TRAINING.

THAT'S ACTUALLY A STATE REQUIREMENT.

UH, THE REQUIREMENT FOR SECURITY GUARDS DURING SPORTING EVENTS.

IS THAT STILL IN IT? ? THANK YOU.

YOU CAN SCRATCH THAT LAST PART, BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS IN OUR DISCUSSION.

WE DIDN'T PUT A CONDITION IN RELATED TO THAT BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE NO, UH, ADVERTISED EVENTS AS REQUIRED BY THE CONDITION.

SO, EXCUSE ME.

UM, STANDARD CONDITIONS.

SO AGAIN, WE TALK ABOUT, UH, CITY COUNCIL POLICY 7 0 7.

I ALREADY MENTIONED THE EMPLOYEE TRAINING.

THE ACCESSORY SALES IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS DOES THE CITY REQUIRE THE SALE OF, UH, ALCOHOL ONLY OCCUR WITH THE SALE OF FOOD, BUT THAT'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT, UH, OF THE, UH, A BC LICENSE.

AND WE DO REQUIRE A, UH, FORM THAT WE SEND OUT TO THE APPLICANTS EVERY YEAR THAT HAVE THESE TYPES OF LICENSES TO PROVIDE A, A COPY OF THEIR SALES SHOWING HOW MUCH ALCOHOL THEY SOLD RELATED TO THE SALE OF FOOD.

SO WE DO CHECK THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

UH, AND AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE NO ADVERTISED EVENTS.

SO TO SUMMARIZE, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL USE IN A COMMERCIAL ZONE WITHIN A DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH IS, UH, DESIGNED FOR THAT.

THE ALCOHOL SALES WILL BE ACCESSORY TO THAT.

SO IT, IT WOULD NOT BE GENERATING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, OF, UH, OF INCOME WITH RELATE WITH RELATION TO THE, UH, FOOD INCOME.

AND, UH, THE CONDITIONS THAT WE ATTACH ARE INTENDED TO ALLEVIATE ANY CONCERNS RELATED TO IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR OTHER USES IN THE AREA.

SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, BUT WE'RE ASKING EITHER TO FIND THE PROJECT EXEMPT FROM CQA DOES QUALIFY FOR A CQA EXEMPTION AS AN EXISTING FACILITY, AND APPROVE THE CUP BASED ON THE FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS ATTACHED.

UH, FIND A PROJECT NOT EXEMPT AND DENY THE PROJECT BASED ON THE, UH, FINDINGS IN THE DRAFT RESOLUTION TO CONTINUE THE ITEM.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO COUNSEL WITH THIS AFTER THE FACT.

SO THAT DOES CONCLUDE STAFF'S REPORT, AND WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

AND, UH, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE.

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THANK YOU, MR. READER.

WELCOME.

UH, I INVITE THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE THEIR 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING COMMITTEE.

HOW'S IT GOING TODAY? MY NAME IS J RUBIO.

I'M HERE WITH MY FAMILY, UH, KIMBERLY, SAM, AND MY SON.

UH, WE ARE OWNING THE, UM, THE NEW RESTAURANT OPENED UP IN NATIONAL CITY A FEW MONTHS AGO.

UH, WE ARE, UH, REQUESTING TO GET, UM, THE APPLICATION FOR, UH, SERVING, UH, TRADITIONAL FOOD OF SEAFOOD.

USUALLY BACK IN MEXICO.

IS SERVED WITH, UM, SOME, A LITTLE BIT OF ALCOHOL JUST TO GIVE IT A TASTE ON THE FOOD.

UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THE PERMIT.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR ME? OKAY, UH, OUR COMMISSIONER ARMINTA.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING.

AND UH, FIRST I'LL ASK, UH, STAFF, UH, BASED ON THE FLOOR PLAN, IS THE ALCOHOL, UM, IS THIS JUST FOR WITHIN THE DARK LINES TO SERVE ALCOHOL? UH, SURE TO BE CLEAR, UH, THROUGH THE CHAIR, UH, MARTIN METER ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, THE, UH, THE 10 AREA IS THE SEATING AREA, WHICH WE USE FOR THAT 30%.

BUT THAT'S, YES, IT WOULD BE STORED IN THE, UH, BEER AND WINE STORAGE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY SHOWN IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER WHERE ACTUALLY IT SAYS PROPOSED STORAGE.

UH, SO PEOPLE WOULD BE SERVED AT, UH, AS THEY'RE EATING AT THE CHAIRS.

AND, UH, ONE THING I FORGOT TO MENTION EARLIER IS THERE, THERE HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A TYPE 41 AT THIS LICENSE.

STILL WAS FOR A PREVIOUS BUSINESS, BUT IT, UH, IT HAD CLOSED FOR MORE THAN 12 MONTHS, SO THAT CP WENT AWAY.

SO THIS IS A REPLACEMENT, CUP, UH, BUT YES, UH, IT'S INTENDED TO BE FOR SALE WITH FOOD, SO IT WOULD BE IN THE DINING AREA.

SO, UH, JUST SO I CAN BE CLEAR, UM, WHEN I DID GO THERE, UH, THERE IS SEATING ON THE OUTSIDE, UH, IN THE NON TAN AREA.

SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, IS ALCOHOL GONNA BE SERVED OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE THE BUILDING? MM-HMM.

OR ELSE LIKE WHERE, UH, YOU SEE WHERE THE DOORS, WHERE THE PICTURE, THE DOORS.

THE FIRST SET OF DOORS? UH, YES.

NO, NEXT DOOR, NEXT, UH, RIGHT THERE.

MM-HMM.

THERE'S SEATING AREA THERE.

UH, WELL, THIS DOES NOT CONS, UH, THIS IS NOT OUTSIDE AS FAR AS I KNOW, BUT IF THAT'S, UH, IS, UH, MAYBE I CAN ASK THE APPLICANT.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS INTENDED? I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW OF ANY SEATING OUTSIDE 'CAUSE THAT'S THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE WE'LL HAVE TO HANDLE.

UM, BUT MR. JAVIER, WHEN I WAS THERE, RIGHT, THERE WAS SEATS OUT THERE.

SO I JUST WANT THAT TO BE CLARIFIED.

IT'S STILL NOT, UM, IN PUBLIC DRIVEWAY, IT'S STILL PART OF THE PROPERTY.

SO ALCOHOL WILL BE THE LICENSES FOR ALCOHOL TO BE SERVED THERE.

MAR WELL, I I'M GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT, IS THAT INTENDED TO BE ALL SEATING, INCLUDING SEATING OUTDOORS? I'M SORRY? IS IS THE SEATING OUTDOORS GONNA HAVE ALCOHOL AS WELL? NO.

WE'LL HAVE TO ADJUST THE CONDITIONS TO REFLECT THAT.

'CAUSE USUALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALCOHOL SALES OUTSIDE, WE HAVE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.

UM, USUALLY THAT THERE'D BE SOME FORM OF SCREENING.

SO WITHOUT THAT BEING SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR AS PART OF THIS, THAT WOULD NOT BE THE CASE.

BUT WE, I WOULD SUGGEST ADDING A CONDITION RELATED TO THAT ANYWAY.

SO, UH, I DID BRING THAT UP ALSO BECAUSE, UM, INTEGRITY CHARTER SCHOOL, ALTHOUGH IT'S ACROSS THE STREET, UM, THE KIDS, WHEN I WAS THERE, IT WAS ABOUT 1 45 IN THE AFTERNOON AND THE KIDS WERE HANGING OUT AT, UH, MORGAN SQUARE IN FRONT OF A CITY CHAMBER, OR WAS IT CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

SO, UH, THEY DO WALK BY AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY CLOSE TO THE PEOPLE EATING AND, UH, DRINKING ALCOHOL.

SO, UH, I KNOW, UH, THAT'S MY CONCERN OF THE KIDS, JUST, YOU KNOW, BEING CLOSED AND PEOPLE OUT THERE.

UM, MR. SAN, UH, COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ, UH, MAY I ASK YES.

FROM WHAT STATE OF MEXICO? ? YES.

SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH, UH, WOULD BE RIGHT? YES.

BLACK BEER.

UH, ARE YOU GUYS ALSO PROVIDING MITCHELL, THAT TYPE OF THING? YES.

MOSTLY WHAT WE WOULD SPECIALIZE ON.

MITCHELL.

GOOD.

UH, ONCE AGAIN, I WANNA REITERATE THAT THIS PLA THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SITE HAS ALREADY HAD A LICENSE AND WE'VE HAD NO ISSUES.

OH, COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.

UM, JUST TO CONFIRM, I SEE THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING HOURS FROM EIGHT TO 1130.

UM, HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT YOUR CURRENT HOURS AT THE MOMENT.

UH, AT THE MOMENT THEY'RE NOT CURRENT HOURS, NO.

OPTION TO CORRECT JUST IN FUTURE WISE? UM, WE MIGHT EXPAND HOURS IN FUTURE REFERENCE.

BUT YOU WOULD LIKE THE

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SO WE, UH, WE TRY TO PUT IT ALREADY IN THE, UM, APPLICATION SO IT ALREADY BE IN THERE.

RIGHT.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO REAPPROVE, UH, APPLY AND EVERYTHING ALSO.

UM, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN.

THANKS.

YEAH, SO A FOLLOW UP.

ARE YOU INTENDING TO SERVE ALCOHOL AS EARLY AS EIGHT O'CLOCK? NO.

NO, OF COURSE NOT.

WHAT WOULD BE YOUR STARTING TIME? UM, US, WE USUALLY, WE OPEN AT NOON RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE THINKING OF STAYING AT NOON AND MAYBE JUST PUSHING A LITTLE BIT BACK, MAYBE AFTER LIKE DINNER, MAYBE NINE OR 10.

THE LATEST, UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE.

HI.

AYE.

UM, MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE TELEVISIONS AND ARE YOU PLANNING ON HAVING, LIKE SPORTING EVENTS PUT ON, LIKE SOCCER GAMES? SOMETIMES THEY OPEN EARLIER OR, OR WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN ON THAT? SO WE DO HAVE, UH, TWO TELEVISIONS ON IT.

UH, WE USUALLY DO POST SPORTS, UH, AS, AS PROVIDED.

UH, BUT WE WEREN'T, WE WEREN'T REALLY, UM, SEARCHING FOR LIKE, UM, HAVING A BIG EVENTS OF SPORTS EVENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S MOSTLY A FAMILY RESTAURANT, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP A FA FAMILY, PEOPLE TO COME IN WITH THEIR KIDS, HAVE A DRINK AND A FOOD, AND THAT'S MOSTLY IT.

NOT REALLY, UH, TRYING TO GET TO THE POINT OF HAVING A BIG EVENT OF LIKE SOCCER OR FOOTBALL.

WE DO HAVE SPORTS IN THE TVS AS USUAL, BUT MOSTLY NOT LIKE, REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

WE'LL NOW HEAR FROM ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.

EACH PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A MAXIMUM TIME OF THREE MINUTES.

MADAM SECRETARY, ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? NO.

CHAIR.

I REQUEST THE SECRETARY PROCEED WITH DISCLOSING IF ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED IN WRITING.

MADAM SECRETARY, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

STAFF.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? UH, NO FURTHER COMMENTS, BUT I DID WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY BEFORE WE GET TOO MUCH FURTHER IN THE MEETING.

UM, I DON'T HAVE TO PAY TOO MUCH OVERTIME THIS EVENING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE YOU TO SOPHIA DEPUY, WHO IS OUR, ONE OF OUR NEWEST MEMBERS.

SHE WAS HIRED AS A PLANNING TECH.

SHE'S NOW, UH, AN ASSISTANT PLANNER, ACTING AS AN ASSISTANT PLANNER.

UH, AND SHE WROTE THE STAFF REPORT THAT YOU JUST HEARD, SO I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE HER AND TO SHOW OUR APPRECIATION FOR HER BEING PART OF OUR TEAM.

OKAY, GREAT.

WELCOME.

HAPPY TO HAVE YOU ABOARD.

DO OKAY.

UM, HAVING HEARD ALL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND THE PUBLIC ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE A COMMISSIONER WISHING TO BRING A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? THIS IS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER QUINONE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.

COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.

COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO, TO ADD TO THE MOTION IF IT IS CONSIDERED, WOULD BE THE JUST CLOSING.

THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS ONLY FOR CLOSING PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, OKAY.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING? UM, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE DECLARE THE RESULT OF THE VOTE.

I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSIONERS.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES? UH, VICE CHAIR CASTLE, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, I, I KNOW IF ANYBODY'S LOOKING TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, PUT THE CONDITION THAT THE ALCOHOL IS STAYING INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, AND NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED, UM, IN THE OUTSIDE, UNLESS OF COURSE, UH, THE, THE, THE OCCUPANT, UM, IS WORKING WITH STAFF ON PUTTING UP A PRIVATE SCREENING AREA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, TO, TO GO WITH CITI.

SO THAT'S IT.

FURTHER COMMENTS? OKAY.

UH, THEN, UM, I WOULD, I STILL NEED A MOTION TO, UM, THAT WOULD BRING A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL.

IS THAT WITH THE MODIFICATION AS WELL? UM, WITH THE MODIFIED CONDITION, YES.

THAT WITH YOUR CONSENT? OH, YES.

SO, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE MOTION TO YES.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER FOREMAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH 11, A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NATIONAL CITY CALIFORNIA, DETERMINING THAT THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.

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QUA UNDER CLASS ONE EXISTING FACILITIES AND APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR BEER AND WINE SALES AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT.

MARICO LA CAPAL, LOCATED AT 8 0 1 NATIONAL CITY BOULEVARD, SUITE 1 0 5, CASE FILE NUMBER 2024 DASH 10 CP UH, A PN 5 56 DASH 4 7 1 DASH 26 DASH SEVEN.

BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN HAS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE MOTION.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER FOREMAN? SURE.

I'LL JUST GO CONGRATULATE YOU ON YOUR NEW BUSINESS AND, UH, AGREE THAT BEER TASTES VERY GOOD WITH MARISCOS AND THAT, UH, I KNOW IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING FOR, TO HAVE BEER AND WINE SALES WHEN IT COMES TO RUNNING A RESTAURANT.

IF NO FURTHER DISCUSSION BY ANY COMMISSIONERS, THE COMMISSION WILL NOW VOTE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE MOTION.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY.

SO THAT ENDS, UH, ALL ACTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

MR. RUBIO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR COMING TO OUR MEETING.

APPRECIATE IT.

WE WILL NOW MOVE ON

[7. Revision of Planning Commission Bylaws ]

TO OTHER BUSINESS.

UH, ITEM SEVEN IS A REVISION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION BYLAWS.

WILL STAFF PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SUMMARIZE THE ITEM.

UH, THANKS AGAIN, MR. CHAIR.

VICE CHAIR, COUNCIL, UH, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSION AND STAFF.

UM, SO WE'VE HAD OUR BYLAWS SINCE 1980 AND WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THEM SINCE 2010.

SO IT'S ABOUT TIME, UH, TO TAKE A LOOK THROUGH THAT.

AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE, UH, NEW, UH, NEW LEGAL COUNSEL SINCE WE, LAST TIME WE DID THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CURRENT CITY ATTORNEY WANTS US TO DO.

SO TO THAT END, WE HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES OR I SAY WE HAVE THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS, SO ASHLYN, OUR COUNCIL IS GONNA TAKE OVER AND, UH, LET YOU KNOW WHAT CHANGES WE'VE MADE AND SOLICIT INPUT.

OF COURSE, YES.

THANK YOU, MARTIN.

UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO, I MADE PROPOSED CHANGES.

A LOT OF THESE CHANGES WERE MADE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR CURRENT MUNICIPAL CODE, AND ALSO IT'S CURRENTLY IN COUNCIL POLICY 1 0 7.

SO THE ONES THAT I SUGGESTED SHOULD STAY TO BE CONSISTENT.

BUT THEN YOU'RE WELCOME TO ADD ADDITIONAL THINGS TO SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS, LIKE YOUR MISSION STATEMENT OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS YOU WANNA TWEAK, WE CAN TALK ABOUT, UM, TONIGHT.

AND THEN ONCE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE, THEN IT'LL COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING FOR ADOPTION.

VERY GOOD.

UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER MENTA, UH, IN REVIEWING AND THEN, UH, CONCURRING WITH, UH, MARTIN? I, IS THERE, UH, THERE, I DIDN'T SEE A PERIODICITY, UH, WHEN, HOW OFTEN TO CHANGE THESE, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE INCLUDED, LIKE EITHER EVERY TWO YEARS OR WHENEVER THERE IS A NEW, UH, YOU KNOW.

MM-HMM.

NEW MEMBERS, NEW COMMISSION.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY ADD.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK CONSISTENTLY TO UPDATE THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN ADD.

YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION? COME, UH, THAT WAS MY SUGGESTION.

DID YOU WANT ONE OR TWO YEARS OR EVERY TWO YEARS, OR IF, WHENEVER THERE'S, UH, AS NEW COMMISSIONERS, UH, COME ON BOARD.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, I RECOGNIZE MYSELF.

UM, I, THE, TO ME THE MISSION STATEMENT, UH, DOESN'T FULLY ENCOMPASS EVERYTHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES.

UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S NO MENTION OF, UH, TRANSPORTATION OR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.

I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE WORDING IN THE, UM, MISSION STATEMENT AT THE VERY LEAST THAT WE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTUALLY ADDRESSES ISSUES

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UH, 'CAUSE IT DOES TALK, TALK ABOUT LAND USE HOUSING AND LANDSCAPING, BUT IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION OR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, JUST FOR EXAMPLE.

AND SO I THINK EVERY ELEMENT NEEDS TO BE, UH, OF THE, OF THE GENERAL PLAN NEEDS TO, UH, BE MENTIONED IN THERE THAT WE ACTUALLY TOUCH ON ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER IN, IN OUR ACTIONS.

I CAN PROPOSE SOME LANGUAGE AND IT'LL COME BACK FOR YOU.

UM, THEN FURTHER ON, ON THE SAME PAGE, UM, ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN, IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S REALLY NO, UM, MENTION AGAIN, FOR EXAMPLE OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.

UH, THAT WOULD, THAT'S A BIG ACTION THAT WE DO.

EVERY TIME WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THAT PROJECT.

SO THAT NEEDS SOME WORDING.

IT NEEDS TO BE INSERTED IN THERE FOR THAT AS WELL.

I CAN ADD THAT ONE THROUGH SEVEN IS ACTUALLY PULLED DIRECTLY FROM OUR MUNICIPAL CODE.

UM, SO I CAN TAKE A LOOK AND SEE IF WE CAN ADD SOME MORE ABOUT THAT.

MAYBE THE MUNICIPAL CODE ITSELF NEEDS TO BE UPDATED IF IT'S NOT REALLY REFLECTIVE OF THE REALITY OF WHAT, WHAT WE DO.

I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR FUNCTION.

UM, ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 64 AND 65, YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF STUFF THAT'S CROSSED OUT AND IT HAS TO DO WITH LANDSCAPING, IT LOOKS LIKE.

UM, WHY IS THAT BEING DELETED? UH, THAT'S, UH, THE FUNCTION OF THE PARKS, RECREATION AND SENIOR CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S BEING REMOVED.

VERY GOOD.

UM, LANDSCAPING, UH, IT IS TOUCHED ON IS IN ONE OF THE ELEMENTS I, FOR, I'M NOT SURE WHICH ELEMENT IT WOULD BE TOUCHED ON IN THE GENERAL PLAN, BUT, UH, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW OKAY.

THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I'M STRESSING THAT THE MISSION STATEMENT SHOULD REFLECT HOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION IMPLEMENTS THE GENERAL PLAN.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT MAKES SENSE.

BUT IT STILL CAN BE PASSIVE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AS SPECIFIC AS WHAT'S BEING REMOVED.

AND AT LEAST THAT'S MY OPINION, SO.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THAT.

UM, OKAY.

SO STAFF WILL BE BRINGING BACK THIS ITEM TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BYLAWS, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES FOR ADOPTION TO THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE HOLD, CORRECT? YES.

UH, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.

SO WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, STAFF REPORTS,

[STAFF REPORTS]

OH, OKAY.

UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, WE HAVE AN THIS TO DO WITH THE BYLAWS.

THAT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I JUST HAD A CLARIFYING QUESTION.

SO I SEE IT'S REDACTED THE MAYOR WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO IT'S JUST THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE, THE WHOEVER THE MAYOR SITTING MAYOR WAS WOULD NOT HAVE A CORRECT.

SO IN THE COUNCIL BYLAW OR IN THE COUNCIL POLICY, THE CITY COUNCIL MAKES THE APPOINTMENT, UM, BEFORE IT WAS THE MAYOR IS, IT HAS BEEN CHANGED SINCE THEN.

SO THE MAYOR WILL VOTE.

BUT THE MAYOR DOESN'T MAKE THE SELECTION.

THAT, THAT WAS MY CLARIFYING QUESTION.

SO HE HAS ONE.

THE, UH, THE RULE ITEM.

I CAN ONLY HEAR YOU A LITTLE BIT , BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ABSENCES THAT'S ON PAGE 69, 6, 9, AND 70, IT GOES UNEXCUSED ABSENCES.

RIGHT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE BYLAWS? THANK YOU.

SO THEN WE'RE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO STAFF REPORTS.

UH, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.

NOTHING AT THIS TIME.

COMMUNITY DIRECT, UH, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

I HAVE NO COMMENTS.

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ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UH, NO COMMENTS OTHER THAN IT'S A PLEASURE TO SERVE THE COMMISSION.

COMMISSIONERS, VICE CHAIR CASTLE.

IT'S A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU, MR. READER.

UH, YES, I DID WANT TO, UH, MENTION THAT I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THE SAFETY BRIEFING, UM, THIS AFTERNOON WITH, UH, FIRE CHIEF HERNANDEZ.

UM, AND JUST WANTED TO, UM, SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND IT IS, UM, GOOD TO KNOW DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON, UM, THE SAFETY THAT WAS HERE, THAT'S HERE AND, YOU KNOW, GOOD, GOOD TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY.

COMMISSIONER VALENZUELA.

NO COMMENT.

UH, COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ, JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COMMUNITY THAT, UH, FALL BALL LAS PALMA'S SIGNUPS ARE STARTING.

THAT'S IT.

COMMISSIONER ARMINTA , UH, I DID WANNA MENTION, UH, UM, ABOUT THE BYLAWS OR SOMETHING.

UH, I KNOW WE HAVE THE BINDER IN, BUT WHEN I BECAME A COMMISSIONER, I WAS NOT REALLY, UH, FULLY AWARE ABOUT THE BYLAWS OTHER THAN THEY'RE JUST IN HERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF WHEN WE HAVE NEW COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY CAN POINT IT OUT TO US AND SAY, HEY, READ THIS.

UM, BECAUSE HONESTLY, AT THE BEGINNING, I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE, I CAN JUST TAKE THIS HOME OR SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, NOBODY REVIEWED IT WITH ME.

SO IF WE CAN MAYBE DO THAT FOR ANY FUTURE COMMISSIONERS, THAT WOULD BE, UH, HELPFUL.

SURE.

ONCE WE'VE, UH, GOTTEN THESE STRAIGHTENED OUT AND ADJUSTED WE'LL, WE'LL PRINT 'EM OUT AND GIVE YOU EACH A COPY FOR YOUR BINDERS AND MAKE SURE TO DO THAT FOR FUTURE COMMISSIONERS.

ABSOLUTELY.

I, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THEN ALSO, UM, I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY, TOMORROW'S GONNA BE A FUN EVENING AT NA, NATIONAL CITY NIGHT OUT, SO HOPEFULLY I SEE EVERYBODY AT KIMBALL PARK.

UH, I'LL BE THERE REPRESENTING AMERICAN LEGION POST 2 5 5 .

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FOREMAN.

COMMISSIONER ES.

NOTHING.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, I GOT AN EMAIL FROM MR. WALTER AMEDEE, WHO IS A CITY STAFF MEMBER ABOUT, UM, SHELTER TRAINING.

UH, IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, RED CROSS TYPE SHELTER TRAINING.

WHAT'S SHELTER TRAINING, UH, FOR PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO ARE DISPLACED FROM THEIR HOMES DURING AN EMERGENCY AND THEY NEED SOME KIND OF, UH, SHELTERING, UH, THE RED CROSS WILL COME IN AND SET UP A SHELTER AT A LOCAL SCHOOL OR A CHURCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEY NEED VOLUNTEERS TO HELP DO THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND SO THIS IS THE TRAINING FOR THAT.

AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, YOU SHOULD CONTACT MR. WALTER AMITY, WHO IS WITH THE CITY HERE.

I DON'T HAVE HIS PHONE NUMBER, BUT HE'S, HE'S LISTED IN, IN THE STAFF SECTION OF THE, UH, OF THAT.

UM, YEAH, IF THEY CONTACT ME, I'LL GET HIM.

I'LL GET YOU IN TOUCH.

BUT HE'S IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

HE'S WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

UH, THANK YOU FOR DOING THE SAFETY TRAINING.

SO I WOULD ASK, UH, ARE THERE ANY PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH THE SAFETY TRAINING? WHO'S ME? AND I APOLOGIZE.

IT WASN'T IN MY CALENDAR.

SO YEAH, BUT I'M THE LAST ONE, I THINK.

SO MAYBE YOU CAN WORK WITH MR. READER TO, UH, I WILL SAY I'M FEMA TRAINED AND ALL OF THAT.

OH, OKAY.

BY FORMER UTILITY.

I WOULD JUST, THE ONLY THING I DON'T KNOW IS OUR, THAT THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT HE GOES OVER A LOT IN DEPTH, SO.

UM, YES.

AND THE, THE NEW COMMISSION TRAINING, UM, BESIDES THE BYLAWS, UH, IN MY OPINION SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE, UH, A COUPLE OF PAGES ON THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND HOW THE, THE COMMISSION FOR NEW MEMBERS COMING ON BOARD.

UH, JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THOSE DOCUMENTS.

THEY'RE PRETTY BEEFY, I KNOW.

UM, AND IT'S, UH, THERE'S A LOT TO TAKE IN THERE, BUT I THINK AS PART OF, UH, NEW MEMBERS, UH, TRAINING, UH, HAVING, BESIDES THE BYLAWS, THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE GENERAL PLAN, JUST A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THEM WOULD, UH, BE HANDY AS WELL.